satisfactory

[leaden turret]

inspired to meme: #satisfactory-memes message

[ornate saffron]

For sure. Just saying that's how I know how long I've played lol

[dry sonnet]

is there a splitter that can limit the amount of items to go trough like u can input numbers like with the valve because i remember that there was something like this but i cant find it now

[shrewd palm]

nope

[sick dragon]

There is not. Only way to control it is by the belt

[shrewd palm]

but with the existence of manifolds you dont really need to do that

[ornate saffron]

Nope use belts, splitter and mergers to balance

[leaden turret]

I mean technically if you're belting packaged fluids you can unpackage them and shove 'em through a valve before repackaging

[sick dragon]

Needlessly complicated. Let's do it

[leaden turret]

this is satisfactory, of course we're going to do it needlessly complicated

[dry sonnet]

ok thanks yall

[hard ivy]

you can build one

[pine patrol]

Ok am i missing something or is the solid steel ingot alt recipe just infinitely better?

[hard ivy]

it is

[ornate saffron]

Which one

[leaden turret]

alt recipes are generally better in specific circumstances

[charred sandal]

balancing for 1/3 sounds anonoying

[leaden turret]

looks at splitter having 3 outputs

[charred sandal]

Yeah but thats ugly

[clear aspen]

ITS OUT

ITS FINNALT OUT

[charred sandal]

1.2?

[leaden turret]

💩 ?

[abstract heron]

What is

[clear aspen]

NUCLEAR UPDATE FOR INDUS IS FINNALT HERE

[abstract heron]

Mod?

[clear aspen]

AFTER A YEAR OF WAITING

[leaden turret]

#off-topic-general

[abstract heron]

Okay and hi btw

[hard ivy]

that's a few months away

[runic sage]

guys i think i messed up

im making 19.2 uranium rods, thats 39 fully overclocked plants and 1 non overclocked plant 💔

[hard ivy]

and what's bad about that?

[runic sage]

settings the powerplants up and managing the uranium waste

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
3 supercomputers/min 😎

[runic sage]

well.. i guess do it once and do it right or smth

[charred sandal]

Can you ever clear the really big trees? Like with nukes?

rip

[ornate saffron]

Build through them. Let the factory consumes them

[abstract heron]

I won’t get blocked

[charred sandal]

Building over them seems more reasonable

[abstract heron]

@leaden turret is the best Maxeek

[leaden turret]

?

[zenith pecan]

Marv is tbe only person in all of discord I keep permanently ignored 🤷‍♂️

[abstract heron]

🎄

[abstract heron]

You are the clip guy

[leaden turret]

yes... ?

[abstract heron]

How are you btw

I love the the yt Chanel for the clips Marv

[zenith pecan]

Literal nuking too, not figurative.

😂

I haven't been designing experiments like I did in early access, my ultimate goal was to seriously take my time & just chill 🙂

Typo city on my phone, sorry.

[leaden turret]

lack of tooth still being distracting

[zenith pecan]

Sloops are a bit addictive because they solve certain problems in a local sense.

[ornate saffron]

Like not using them at all or only using them for power. Via the alien agumentor

That's what I'd do for a no sloop run. If they are in my inventory its to tempting. I'd just keep building augmentors

[shrewd palm]

power augmenter time

[pine patrol]

its a roblox game semi similar to satisfactory but its a flat map and instead of materials you use money you get from selling items the more advanced the more your paid you cant buy recources tho only buildings

[abstract heron]

Oh okay

[pine patrol]

honestly its really good especially for a roblox game

but this is a satisfactory channel so ill stop about it

[zenith pecan]

Power augmentors is where I sunk some of the sloop overflow within my support tower after a patch respawned them after I looted all of them, the rest were destroyed by me handing them to doggos then dropping nuclear devices.

The augmentors themselves are crazy strong when stacked.

I never quite did that 😜

I do want to build a max nuclear facility once I have some essentials rebuilt.

I did recreate most of my essential blueprints after carelessly nuking then when I reimaged my pc.

I had my saves backed up, I forgot about the blueprints and some video editing media that was on my C drive ~whoops!

I keep most stuff on my nas, cloud is just someone elses machine, when it's outside of my direct control, I simply won't trust it.

[ornate saffron]

Same

[zenith pecan]

I'm not short of local storage though, one nas has 16tb of ssd space, the other 48tb of hdd space.

[ornate saffron]

I got 32. More then enough for what I do and need

[stuck bough]

is the diluted fuel exactly the same thing as packaged diluted fuel?

[zenith pecan]

In output, yes.

[stuck bough]

perfect, i dont want to deal with canisters

[zenith pecan]

It just ditches the package/unpackage part and that section of refineries for blenders, the input requirements and output amounts are identical

[hard ivy]

same input and output, faster speed, lower power consumption

[zenith pecan]

More compact to boot.

[fluid sapphire]

just opened my save folder to see if i still have my first saves, i can see that my first save is 132KB, and the newest one is 22,7MB, pretty crazy

[zenith pecan]

Save files can balloon to surprisingly large sizes when you go full ham with construction.

[wary osprey]

played since console release and love the game i now have a 29hr save

[mystic oriole]

nice, glad to see people loving the game on console.

[wary osprey]

i play it with a friend and it runs great

[zenith pecan]

Back when I first started with computers, games like satisfactory weren't possible, 48k spectrum haha

[wary osprey]

what\

[coarse path]

bro someone please help me

check screenshots rq i got a question

[zenith pecan]

I had a few 8 and 16 bit machines before I got my first pc, a 386sx40 with 4mb of ram 🤣

[hard ivy]

maybe should've posted it in the channel dedicated to questions then

[coarse path]

i just did

[hard ivy]

#screenshots is not for asking questions

[zenith pecan]

Amd 386sx40 heh.

[coarse path]

then how do i ask the question and show the bug at the same time...

i need help dont make it worse tf

[hard ivy]

in #1038092680493801533 ?

[coarse path]

sure ig

[mystic oriole]

my parents were hard on not getting any sort of computer or gaming device near me. thinking that I'd be addicted to using it. So my first computer was a laptop, in 2001, and outdated for it's time.

[coarse path]

im literaly new to the server

[zenith pecan]

The questions and help does let you post images and even small video clips.

Never knew the pain of loading from cassettes or why loading from disk on a c64 was extra slow and the drive weighed like a ton.

[ornate saffron]

My first pc was a zenith z-100

[zenith pecan]

There was a brief comedy in yoinking a cartridge from one of those systems while it was running.

[dim cradle]

I've used floppies not sure about cassettes. Did have an old ribbon printer I got from somewhere, too. Wasn't all that bad actually.

[zenith pecan]

I don't miss my old 9 pin dot matrix printer 🤮

[dim cradle]

For some reason I have it in my head that those floppies were 1.44 megs

[white dawn]

I totally missed out on the whole C64 stuff, alas. My first comp was technically a TI-99/4a, though I was rather too young to really do more than play some games on it

(rather showing our ages here, heh)

[plain gate]

hp printer 💔💔

[dim cradle]

laser printer is just so much better...

[white dawn]

Wasn't until Apple ][e and then my beloved ol' weird PCjr that I had any claim to be Actually Computing™

[dim cradle]

Legit use this thing forever on just the cartridges it came with.

[zenith pecan]

720k for the dd, 880k on amiga, 1.44mb for the hd disks, lets not mention the 5.25in fisks.

[dim cradle]

HP printers are such a damn trap. Cheap printers, your first ink refill costs more than the printer easily

Manufactured topics

[white dawn]

Doesn't take much to tip geezers into reminiscence! :D

[zenith pecan]

I'm using an epson, 4 years later, still on the ink it came with, and that comes in bottles, not cartridges.

[dim cradle]

What do they call those again, reservoir printers or something?

Oh ink tank

[ornate saffron]

👴

[coarse path]

guys i just realized i messed up my power plant

im cooked

[blazing panther]

why we talking bout ink...

[white dawn]

I still remember clearly the horrific realization that most internal PC speakers could only play one tone at a time; I was spoiled by having three to work with on the PCjr

Had to get creative for my own game-programming soundtracks. :D (okay, yeah, actual Satisfactory talk going on, will be quiet about Days Of Yore)

[ornate saffron]

How so? Worst case you rebuild and black start with biofuel

[blazing panther]

btw does anyone know if you can access blue prints in survival that are from creative?

[ornate saffron]

Pc consol?

[white dawn]

Yes, though you have to manually copy them over (and you'll have to redo the "folder" structure)

[blazing panther]

dang

[white dawn]

Create one blueprint in the "regular" savegame so that it creates the Blueprint dir first, then just copy 'em over

The reorganization is a drag, but c'est la vie

[blazing panther]

fair

[zenith pecan]

Copy the files from the creative blueprint folder into the one for the other game, you will need to have unlocked the stuff to use.

[dim cradle]

That reminds me, sucks how blueprints aren't uploaded to the steam cloud, have to just go in there and copy that folder over manually between my PCs...

Like go over and play on my laptop and oh all my blueprints are gone

[zenith pecan]

That's how my blueprints got erased when I reimaged my pc.

[white dawn]

(endgame machinery being only available in the endgame is lame?)

[dim cradle]

Blueprint isn't really machinery....? I guess it's kinda either way on that one.

[white dawn]

Oh, pff, sorry, misread

Thought you said mk3 miner. :D

Yeah, mk3 Blueprinter is weirdly late in the progression; I will agree there. :P

Sorry, reading is hard.

[dim cradle]

Well tbf you need access to drones to actually really use BPs to their full advantage though don't you in Factorio?

In this game you just plop the entire thing down... although I wish you could just turn on an overhead mode and use drones...

[white dawn]

Nah, blueprints are quite useful immediately, and don't really have much to do with how you run logistics (though using them can aid in setting up said logistics)

Drones are just another way to get materials from A to B

[dim cradle]

Well when I tried using a blueprint in Factorio, it didn't automatically place it down for me unless I had constructor drones...

Buuut admittedly I spent 0 time reading the controls

[white dawn]

One of the major sources of frustration + confusion among players here is people assuming things work exactly like they do in Factorio. :)

Spoiler: very little (if anything, really) works exactly like they do in Factorio. They're very different games

[dim cradle]

I didn't really say they did,...

Although it'd certainly be nice if the games would cross pollinate each other a bit here and there

[leaden turret]

satisfactory:

• is chill
• looks nice
• can build up

[white dawn]

Honestly kind of disagree. I don't want a sea of homogenous factory builders; I want to be surprised by new things and have new systems to learn

[leaden turret]

[insert redacted joke about FPS/MOBA here]

[dim cradle]

That's taking it too far, I don't mean they should be the same, just maybe give each other a few things that the other has

And constructor drones late game would be pretty darn sweet imo

[white dawn]

Though we'll see what kind of fluid changes arrive in v1.2 (if any), to see if we end up with a Factorio 2.0 style simplifcation. :D

[leaden turret]

were it not for cross-pollination of HID techniques and user interfacey stuff, we'd not have WSAD / dual stick controls / escape to open main menu etc.

[leaden turret]

-# cough unspecified game mode cough cough

[dim cradle]

I kind of bought dwarf fortress but I'm wondering if I should just return it instead of playing it. Technically a factory (?) game...?

[white dawn]

I don't personally see how that could fit into Satisfactory's building style at all. You'd still have to go out in the 3D world to specify exactly where you want the thing built; what benefit would it be to have to then wait for a drone to arrive to actually build it?

[zenith pecan]

I half expect fluid changes to completely nuke my builds and render the entire setup in to complete ЯЧЮЩЦЫФ! 🤣

[white dawn]

In the current system you just click and then a few seconds later it's done

[leaden turret]

we already have that.

||#1201555265942724758||

[dim cradle]

Over head view for easy layout and planning. Not like it's hard to account for.

Basically put stuff wherever you want on your map, they build it

[leaden turret]

pipe parts to auto-expanding factory builder

[white dawn]

Heh, if they do a fluids overhaul, I certainly hope that they've been spending a lot of time testing out people's saves to minimize breakage. Time will tell!

[white dawn]

This is a 3D game; "overhead" view is often of limited use

[fervent garden]

Thank you to whoever helped me with my 6 coal gen issue, the mk2 conveyers are a big step up from mk1, and I almost have mk3 unlocked already!

[dim cradle]

Isometric, pannable camera, whatever

[leaden turret]

hence cough unspecified game mode cough cough, because nerfing mechanics in a way that breaks existing factories to make things pleb-friendly is unpleasant

[white dawn]

And CSS specifically wants you to be embodied in the world; just clicking around on a map to plop down buildings goes against the whole vibe, IMO

[dim cradle]

I don't really like my building being tied to some footsoldier's magic gun

So agree to disagree on that I guess

[white dawn]

I mean, feel free to suggest this stuff on the Questions site, of course. I am not the arbiter of what CSS decides to do with the game. :)

[dim cradle]

There's no way in hell they would lol

[leaden turret]

head canon: any builder that doesn't have first-person view for building is just Lakitu from Mario 64

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, I do have concerns, epic pipe beaks will break my power station and all the bauxite, I'm not dure I'd bring myself to fixing them again.

[white dawn]

IMO what you're suggesting in this case runs quite counter to what I think CSS actually wants out of the game, though, so IMO don't hold your breath for it. :)

[leaden turret]

see also https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/features/unplanned-features/

[dim cradle]

I don't know how much of "what they want for the game" is just "yeah no we're too lazy to do this lol" at this point either

[white dawn]

(and I personally remain glad that CSS have largely kept to themselves and made their own unique things instead of just taking stuff from other games)

[dim cradle]

I wonder how much money this thing is bringing in.

[leaden turret]

imagines Franz imagines coffeestainers scrooge mcduckin in a money pit of swedish kroner instead of developing features

[dim cradle]

I wouldn't say that, but at some point you're in the "coast mode". Small incremental things, don't rock the boat much.

[leaden turret]

a craptonne, per shareholder calls

[dim cradle]

Why invest developer hours into the game when it's mature enough and you could be developing something else

[ivory condor]

most still be decent for sales, considering they still able to justify further development in the form of 1.2, console sales probably also are helping to continue to fund development im sure to

[leaden turret]

they legit just said they're not working on anything else

[dim cradle]

Didn't say it had to be a game, maybe they're developing their yoga >.>

[ivory condor]

though CSS has revenue from multiple successful games also, so that helps give the studio more funding to overall work on games with to also

[dim cradle]

I play shitty mobile games so I can tell you that you can coast for a looooooong time with minimal development, just skeleton crew.

Although it's nice to see that like No Man's Sky, they do still work on it to keep it fresh.

When my friend and I played this 3 years ago, we thought this'd just be another one of those games that never actually came out of "Early Access".

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> Satisfactory not coming to Switch cos y'all too busy making Switch Fit, confirmed

[ivory condor]

Soon studios will be slaves to CSS👀

[zenith pecan]

I'll wait and see what happens with the update before considering resuming construction.

[leaden turret]

Satisfactory: had a baller 1.0 drop
NMS: lies upon lies upon lies

[ivory condor]

via CSG

[dim cradle]

I mean tbf... Satisfactory's 1.0 took ages lol

NMS was garbage on release and developed into something actually good-ish.

[leaden turret]

7-8 years end-to-end isn't out of the ordinary

[ivory condor]

cyberpunk 2077 was also a disaster at launch

[leaden turret]

reminder: comparing Satis EA to NMS 1.0 is not an accurate comparison

[ivory condor]

its funny just how unpolished some of the newer game releases are now days

its like people are buying a alpha version of a game anymore

[zenith pecan]

Borderlands 4 and its turbo optimised release? Oh wait 🤣

[dim cradle]

I'd say it's a little overblown sometimes but yeah, homogenization of engines, ie everyone just... using the same engines now? Isn't it all like Unreal 5 or some crap?

[pine patrol]

me when the game i bought for 80 dollars is so buggy i cant play it

[dim cradle]

Probably just a lot of bloat to "make sure the thing runs"

We're far away from Roller Coaster Tycoon, which was coded in assembly

When you go up so many layers of abstraction you can only do so much

[ivory condor]

well its using UE5 and few studios can actually release a properly optimized game with that still

I would say Satisfactory is a good example of one for sure, but its hard to find many games that use UE5 and actually have proper optimization for them

[dim cradle]

Shows me dying with full health because of some mismatch between the check rate of the HP bar and when the inhaler is used

[ivory condor]

[zenith pecan]

The coffee stain folks put a huge amount of effort into making UE5 actually behave, crazy that larger studios don't and just release proper bugged slop for a bigger budget.

[dim cradle]

I do OMSCS on and off every now and then, and I took a game dev class for fun. Think it was using Unity3D or something? Some of that stuff got pretty dang tedious, before you even got into the optimization.

Wonder how UE5 is

[forest cove]

i wish this game never release a console version imagine we could have already had 1.2 maybe even 1.3 but of course console always ruins everything

[ivory condor]

as long as Ben isn't responsible for what happened with signs in 1.1

[true mulch]

Except the port was done by a completely separate team

[zenith pecan]

Err, that the emissions?

[dim cradle]

I mean not to mention, the additional revenue from the console version helps fund releases in the main one...

[ivory condor]

That and the fact they basically have no optimization to them at all anymore and are far worse performance wise now

[dim cradle]

"Main one" lol

[zenith pecan]

D'oh!, I rely on emissive signs 😵‍💫

[forest cove]

doesnt matter they still had to spend money on them that they could have used for more devs for the pc version and console always has exclusives so we should "gatekeep" as well from them

[dim cradle]

Well I can't really objectively see how console version can ever be better than PC version in this game though so I guess calling it the main one is fairly accurate.

[true mulch]

Eh, the desktop release has earned a ton already. Did you know it is (or at least was) the only Epic exclusive that ended up being a net profit for Epic?

[ornate saffron]

There soon will be the gabebox

[true mulch]

Are you insane? 😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂

[dim cradle]

More never hurt anyone.

[red sun]

i haven't played satis for a while, maybe i should try it again without worrying so much about min-maxing everything

i think that's why i've not wanted to play it because i overplan everything lmao

[ornate saffron]

You say that, but some ppl can help it.

[zenith pecan]

I make slightly oversized plans too.

[red sun]

i don't like not doing it but doing it burns me out super fast lmao

[dim cradle]

Yeah pre-planning kills it for me. I always plan the factory on the fly as I'm making it.

But my head is a bit chaotic

[red sun]

i avoid recurring decimals at all cost. maybe i should just say fuck it and not worry about things not being 100% efficient

[fluid sapphire]

pre-plan the scheme, not the layout

improvise layout

[dim cradle]

meh I just round off those things, match inputs roughly

180? 181.869? I don't really care lol

[true mulch]

Not saying you're wrong, but it's fair to consider that there was an upfront cost to port the game and it will likely continue to cost to maintain it updated

[dim cradle]

Well I'm assuming they weighed those costs, but keep in mind most consoles are pretty similar to PCs these days. And they're all one piece of hardware. Optimize once, done forever.

[true mulch]

It's not just optimization, I think the biggest issue is the UI really

[dim cradle]

How long have they had gamepad mode on the PC version?

[true mulch]

(maybe I'm biased because I've always hated making the UI in my games 😛 )

[dim cradle]

Can't be too different I presume

[red sun]

yeah satisfactory's ui is quite involved and mouse heavy, must be hard to find ways to translate it to controller

[true mulch]

I assume it was developed with the console release in mind to begin with

[dim cradle]

The only thing that pisses me off about it... push in both right and left joystick to detonate? Seriously?

Oh and the map, I still can't figure out how the heck to view details on an icon like I would with the mouse by clicking on it.

No one could ever tell me, I wonder if they fixed that on console

[red sun]

i've not used a controller but that sounds pretty cool lmao. like pushing down the handle
does sound impractical though

[ornate saffron]

Ive played games that do that. Its fine

[dim cradle]

Do what?

... not show you information that you could normally see?

Anyway trying to stay crouched on controller while throwing the bombs was also just torturous lol

Like sitting there having to invent new grips

[fluid sapphire]

i cant imagine it being easy to map all the 10,000 controls onto such a small number of buttons

[sick dragon]

laughs in steam deck

[dim cradle]

Technically this 8bitdo controller has a third set of buttons in the trigger area on each side

Could maybe map crouch over to that too

[ornate saffron]

I always play with toggle crouch / toggle run

[sick dragon]

Same otherwise I think.my shift key would break lol

[zenith pecan]

I prefer toggle, It's less stress on my fingers.

[ornate saffron]

Except in souls games.... I play clawhammer with controller becuase im a mutant

[fluid sapphire]

i have played through 4 souls games and havent had a single occurrence where i would have needed both the face buttons and the right stick at the same time

[zenith pecan]

I'm still really bad at controller use 🤣

[dim cradle]

Which I wish this game had, but I don't think it does...

Does have toggle run at least.

[leaden turret]

gabecube

[harsh crystal]

why did i decide to get this game

holy crap im addicted

[leaden turret]

🌈 recreational math 🌈

[ornate saffron]

You like Crack?

[harsh crystal]

ts game is crack

[ornate saffron]

Ill hit 800 hours this weekens

[jovial karma]

Is there any things I should know before starting satisfactory or keep in mind during my playthrough?

[ornate saffron]

Its not a race. Take your time.

[hard ivy]

do the tutorial

[ornate saffron]

This community is a teach a man to fish mindset. If you ask for something you can easily read about they just link you to the wiki

[jovial karma]

One of my biggest questions has been if it's worth it / possible to organize my factory(s) or if it will get chaotic at a certain point no matter what i do

[ornate saffron]

Start is often rough but if you give yourself more space then you'll thi k you need you shod be fine

[jovial karma]

Okay so basically pick a large open spot to build my main factory on?

[ornate saffron]

Sure, but you don't always have wide open spots. Think......
Vertical aswell

[jovial karma]

Ohhh interesting yeah

[ornate saffron]

Pc or console

[jovial karma]

PC

[ornate saffron]

One thing the games doesnt tell you is while placing a foundation if you hold ctrl it will snap to the world grid. This is useful. It makes connecting things from afar easier

[jovial karma]

Oh wow thats really important i feel like, if i ever realize i want to connect two huge factories

[ornate saffron]

Or train lines

[white dawn]

As an alternative opinion: World Grid is a trap, and building "with" the local geography is a lot more rewarding (IMO). There's plenty of ways to hook up disparate grids "cleanly" if you do want to connect far-apart factories by foundation. (one method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_2i8T3Dbw )

[ornate saffron]

Absolutely, this is what I do.

[jovial karma]

Whats the downside with using world grid?

[white dawn]

Once you're familiar with connecting disparate grids, the techniques are quite simple. But yeah, obviously not having to apply any technique is simpler still

[ornate saffron]

Harder to be super creative

[white dawn]

Not being able to work "with" the landscape. I agree it's primarily an aesthetic thing

[ornate saffron]

I view it as learn the rules before you break them.

Like music

[white dawn]

I dislike seeing rigidly N/S/E/W-oriented stuff everywhere. I want my angles, and I want factories to, like, hug the edges of cliffs and work around interesting terrain features, etc

But that's a very subjective thing. Other folks swear by World Grid and use it everywhere

[jovial karma]

Cool, so i dont screw myself if i just build with the local grid?

[white dawn]

Not at all

[jovial karma]

Great, thanks

[ornate saffron]

Youll never be screwed in the modern version of the game

[white dawn]

(Also, personally I am basically never tempted to connect disparate factories by foundation anyway. For rail lines I generally use the "disconnected pillars" method, so those don't have to be on a grid at all, and for vehicles I just use the map's natural roads)

If I've got an outpost somewhere its local grid never goes any further than the building's edges, etc. :)

But, again: personal preference for sure.

If you want to use World Grid by all means do so; you'll be in good company

[ornate saffron]

@jovial karma in the end its a sandbox game. There is many right ways. The only wrong way is hurting the games doggos

[jovial karma]

Nice :) im gonna start my journey now, thanks for the tips and clarification

[final ruin]

New to the game on console, absolutely love it so far. Any tips and tricks are much appreciated!

[north summit]

Big Pillar Beam Support my Beloved

[shrewd hatch]

can somebody help me setup path and block signals

[final ruin]

New here, what do the doggos really do?

[white dawn]

My honest advice: Ignore discord, ignore youtube, ignore streamers. Just take your time, make your own mistakes, and enjoy learning the game! Early-game biofuel collection is kind of annoying, but once you get fully-automated power there's literally no "pressure" in the game, so you can take it as easy as you want.

[shrewd hatch]

no idea

didnt even know dogs existed in this game

[white dawn]

For many folks they're just interesting fauna to have around. They can be tamed, though, and will then follow you around and occasionally provide you with random items

[white dawn]

Well, they're called "lizard doggos" but don't look much like Earth dogs.

[flint grail]

Yo, someone did it. Someone combined Satisfactory and Minecraft

https://youtu.be/iS08aF0OS48

[final ruin]

Ive finally got 2 coal burners set up but its not nearly enough power, im gonna need probably another 5 more before I can get rid of my bioburners.

[shrewd hatch]

why are these train signals so hard to master

[ornate saffron]

they cute

[shrewd hatch]

my brain cant comprehend this

[final ruin]

The closest coal vein was far away from my starting location way on top of a pillar type of mtn. 🙄 half tempted to start over.

We get trains?! Or is that a pc only thing?

[wicked nacelle]

first rule is you never need to use path signals. second rule is "two trains can't be in the same signal area at the same time"

[wicked nacelle]

core game

[white dawn]

That's kind of intended, btw. As you progress, you'll need to expand further and further to find resources

[shrewd hatch]

nahh

[shrewd hatch]

a factory needs trains

[white dawn]

It encourages outposting and building factories out where the nodes are, etc. (Er, I realize that "building factories out where the nodes are" is exactly what "outposting" means, so I sort of said the same thing twice)

[ornate saffron]

go north from start

[wicked nacelle]

there is also a bug if you put a signal on a rail split that it will say "signal loops back on itself" or something like that. move the signal down away from the split/merge to fix

[final ruin]

Seen something about being able to automate the transfer of items in some way so I dont have to have convayers 30 miles long but havnt looked into it

[shrewd hatch]

will it get fixed

[wicked nacelle]

dunno

[shrewd hatch]

this game has alot of bugs ive realized

[white dawn]

Non-belt logistics options in the game, in order of when you unlock them: Vehicles, Trains, Drones

The first vehicle you get will be the Tractor, which is adorable.

[blissful agate]

Trucks are another option but require fuel and a clear autopilot route which is agony

[summer fern]

Super long conveyers can be avoided early on by just building where the resource nodes are

[white dawn]

A lot of folks dislike working with vehicles, and they definitely have a learning curve (and there are definitely ways to do them which will cause you problems) but IMO they're great.

[final ruin]

Yeah I just unlocked that last night

[summer fern]

I haven't found a need for trucks at all and I've just used a tractor to deliver space elevator parts once

[white dawn]

My main bit of advice re: vehicles: Don't build your own roads; just use the map's natural roads instead

Yeah, I admit I rarely use the actual Truck

At that point of the game you're probably just an unlock or two away from trains anyway, and trains really excel at high-throughput transfers

[wicked nacelle]

you don't need to move much before you get trains, so you can just wait til trains.

[white dawn]

I love watching my Tractors zip about, though

[final ruin]

Yeah the autopilot seemed to be a little complicated to set up with the terrain, was thinking about just building a factory floor straight across to where I need it

[blissful agate]

Early game the fastest thing you can do is to go into quartz/caterium research to upgrade your mobility and then manually haul your complex components to the assembler that feeds them into the space elevator

[summer fern]

I'm thinking of building a train line to carry oil products, but I'm not sure where I want the factory to be yet

[white dawn]

If you play with Independency in mind, there can still be plenty of short-to-midrange logistics which pop up even in Phase 2. I tend to have quite a few tractor routes going before I get trains unlocked

[wicked nacelle]

this is absolutely right -- your inventory is a great way to move stuff

[summer fern]

I do this all the time lol

Runs back and forth between grassy plains and blue crater

[wicked nacelle]

that's what belts are for

[white dawn]

Although I suppose most of my Phase 2 "logistics" tend to be in support of Central Storage, which I agree is a very niche thing to build

[blissful agate]

Thing with that is that now you already have a nice smooth route to run long belt lines

[white dawn]

If I didn't continue to insist on doing Central Storage then I'd probably have a lot fewer tractors

One good reason to do Central storage, I guess. :D

[white dawn]

Heh, I just really don't like even moderately-long belts on aesthetic grounds

If I've got to move something more than a few hundred meters, I'd much rather use a tractor for it

[summer fern]

I end up only caring about how belts look in my factories, outside is a different story

[hearty wind]

Is the stacking hypertube entrance a glitch or a feature at this point?

[summer fern]

atp it's a feature I think

[white dawn]

Either officially unofficial or unofficially official. They decided to intentionally keep it in, though it's still something that they don't really consider "core" game

[somber monolith]

If I have 80 fuel gens how big should each row be?

[summer fern]

Based off the amount each pipe can carry

[white dawn]

They were broken at one point during Update 8 development due to an Unreal Engine update, but they decide to appease the community by working around the physics changes (though even then, some previously-working styles of cannon remained broken)

[fluid sapphire]

literally doesnt matter, you could have a single row

[summer fern]

Or you can inject into the pipes further down the line, but that's a bit more complicated

[somber monolith]

I thought u need rows or it would work slow?

[summer fern]

I think I was gonna have 80 fuel gens before I just realized it'd be easier to overclock and get it down to 32

[fluid sapphire]

you just need to make sure you dont exceed pipe capacity, but there is nothing to dictate you couldnt run more pipes

[leaden turret]

• condoned ✅
• supported ❌

[somber monolith]

Alr thanks

[summer fern]

hold on @somber monolith you making a turbofuel plant?

[blissful agate]

I've tried to do a massive fuel gen setup a few times and not once have I managed to get max capacity pipes to behave

[leaden turret]

hypertube junctions also made some previous styles of canon obsolete

[somber monolith]

Just diluted fuel for now

[summer fern]

Same, that's why I just split into 2

[fluid sapphire]

its pretty easy to just design systems that dont expect max capacity

[summer fern]

If you haven't already, I'd overclock every gen to 250% to save space and time

[leaden turret]

🌈 package all the things 🌈

[summer fern]

That's what I did and it made it much easier

[somber monolith]

I don’t wanna waste my power shards rn ima spend it on the turbo later

[summer fern]

Spend a bit of time slug hunting and you'll have enough pretty easily

[hard ivy]

upgrading from fuel to turbo is kinda pointless. just go all the way to rocket later

[somber monolith]

I have enough just would rather spend it on more useful things

[fluid sapphire]

do you sloop your shard production?

[somber monolith]

Ig depends on if I need more power before I get rocket

[blissful agate]

Praying for pipe rework to just make them fancy conveyor belts

[somber monolith]

Yes only done like 4 slugs non slooped

And they were blue

[hard ivy]

I'm praying for a pipe rework in general. they can't make them any worse

[tranquil maple]

POV me when I finish my power plant and am so sure it’s going to work only for me to not have the slightest idea what tf is wrong

[wicked nacelle]

walked into my office just now and it was HOT. yeah, left satisfactory running all night on ultra

[blissful agate]

The only thing worth saving is head lift everything else makes me cry

[stray field]

What's the best rebar to use?

[somber monolith]

So I should split my lines into 30 30 and 20? As that’s what I have for fuel

[blissful agate]

you mean like, encased industrial beams?

[white dawn]

Depends on the situation; they all have their strengths and weaknesses

[leaden turret]

inspired to meme: #satisfactory-memes message

[summer fern]

It's not too bad tbh, just have to account for sloshing and stuff

[tranquil maple]

Lmao

[stray field]

No for the gun

[somber monolith]

Just like a long line of 30 per pipe

[wicked nacelle]

presumably for the gun

[stray field]

Overall?

[white dawn]

Same answer. :)

[stray field]

I'm mid game rn

[white dawn]

Try them and see!

[somber monolith]

Explosive? Right?

[white dawn]

(I'm not trying to be difficult. Personally I keep a stack of each around, and switch as I see fit)

[tranquil maple]

Explosive does the most damage but will destroy the foliage

[celest lichen]

i imagine too much work went into them to just give 1.2 pipes the factorio 2.0 special

[stray field]

OK thanks

[hard ivy]

if I had to choose exaclty one I'd take explosive because it breaks rocks and does decent damage

[stray field]

Alr thanks

[summer fern]

I've only ever used the melee tool tbh

[white dawn]

Yeah, I personally don't use explosive for combat just because of the collateral damage angle

[tranquil maple]

I’m sorry how are u alive rn?

[wicked nacelle]

rebar gun is only necessary if you want to do lots of early game exploring. later weapons kinda make it useless

[pine patrol]

Im finally making magnetic feild gens for phase 4 😭

[white dawn]

But it's a great "utility ammo" to have around

[summer fern]

Pretty easy once you learn to dodge

[wicked nacelle]

that's what I do early game too

[hard ivy]

to me, the collateral damage is a benefit :)

[somber monolith]

It’s not that bad until the nuclear hogs

[blissful agate]

Oh lmao I'm dumb

[white dawn]

As always, there's no "best" in this game. It nearly always comes down to personal preference

[somber monolith]

You dodge?

[leaden turret]

looking-biome: spire coast

[shrewd hatch]

why wont my train undock

[leaden turret]

doggo: lizard

[summer fern]

The only that becomes an issue is radioactive hogs and the gas stingers

[leaden turret]

place to start building: the ground

[summer fern]

Yeah you can read the attacks

They're just set animations

[tranquil maple]

No power, block is full, the game could just be broken, etc.

[hard ivy]

because its docking condition is not fulfilled or it has nowhere to go

[shrewd hatch]

there is power

[somber monolith]

Just heal

[blissful agate]

Homing ammo with some good jetpack fuel is pretty sweet for brain off exploration

Load into dimensional depot and just pull some out when needed

[wicked nacelle]

i usllay just bring power and hover

[white dawn]

staring over tented fingers emoji dot gif

[summer fern]

I do that on top of dodging

[lunar plank]

I’d say the sky but I have a mega build in planning for the area just below the pink forest.🤣

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory-memes message

[somber monolith]

Heal > dodging

[summer fern]

Fighting nuclear hogs just annoyed me so I started avoiding them

[leaden turret]

aaaaand how do you start building in the sky?

🌌🧠

🤯

[blissful agate]

You can fairly easily take out everything until nuke hogs with melee, even the gas stingers can be whiff punished on their leap

[lunar plank]

Magic🤣

[leaden turret]

by building on the ground first

[lunar plank]

I know.

[summer fern]

Yeah you can pretty easily dodge the spider jump attacks and then get 2-3 hits in

Rinse and repeat

[blissful agate]

Can you blueprint a floating platform though

[leaden turret]

yes, that's how I built my viaducts

[lunar plank]

Ok now I seed to see this

See

Not seed.

[pine patrol]

either that or “parry” but im not sure how effictive it is against later enemies

[lunar plank]

I’m sorry you can parry?!

[pine patrol]

hit stuff like hogs right before they hit you and they wont deal dmg

most of the time

[lunar plank]

I have over 300 freaking hours in this game and I’m just learning this😭

[leaden turret]

belt template used for the floating platform blueprint, pillar built after: #screenshots message

[pine patrol]

coming from a person with 70 hours 😭

half of them are spent running my machines overnight

[leaden turret]

reminder that many people take a while to notice that you can upgrade belts without having to remove them first

[lunar plank]

HOOOLY FREAKING DOGGOS

[lunar plank]

Ya know that’s valid…

[blissful agate]

You can also crouch up to hatchers to batong them before they can hatch

[leaden turret]

irregular reminder: idle crafting is paying microtransactions to your energy provider

[lunar plank]

I just found out about that recently. I even went as far as testing it

[blissful agate]

If you rocket in fast enough you can also DPS them before they hatch

[leaden turret]

I still salty you can't parachute in at them

[lunar plank]

Safe to say every Hatcher in my world has it coming now😈

[leaden turret]

there are ceiling-mounted and wall-mounted hatchers

[lunar plank]

I love that mechanic so much

[pine patrol]

maybe

[blissful agate]

Boombox kill button also smokes hatchers but almost never that useful

[lunar plank]

That’s what multiple bombs are core. Or nukes🤣

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> request that boom box kill button make breakdance

[pine patrol]

but im not idly crafting im just sitting by machines to rack up materials

[summer fern]

tbf running a pc overnight makes a negligible difference in your electricity bill

[pine patrol]

tru

[summer fern]

Less than a dollar unless you have some giga PC

[leaden turret]

I know, we did the math a couple months ago

[lunar plank]

Huh no wonder my power bill has been so high.🤦‍♀️

By the way I have a work laptop (it’s an old half bricked gaming laptop) and it can barely run satisfactory. However my big pc runs it with little to no issues

[leaden turret]

my theory is maybe it would work running on a dedicated server, cos then you're not wasting power rendering the factory 😛

[summer fern]

That does make sense actually

[leaden turret]

what if using free 2 hour sessions on geforce now to idle craft

[lunar plank]

I don’t have Gforce

[leaden turret]

is free

but also you have to give 'em your steam/epic login so lolnope

(also you get logged out of steam on your local pc if you use geforce now, which is hella annoying)

[lunar plank]

My PC doesn’t have Nvidia

[leaden turret]

it's a cloud service

that's like saying you can't watch youtube if you don't have chrome

[low tartan]

are hypertubes useful?

[lunar plank]

Besides. I’m extremely careful when I download stuff. I lost my 200hr save in this game cuz someone got into my PC

[lunar plank]

Yes

[celest lichen]

your best friend to travel across the map in seconds

[blissful agate]

In my experience they're outclassed by power tower ziplines if you're not using the exploit cannon

[wicked nacelle]

mostly only in cannon form

it's not an "exploit" game devs specifically added the functionality

[placid comet]

Does over clocking cost more energy than having more machines or relatively the same amount? Like if I had two machines working at 250%, is the energy simply equal to having 5 of them at 100%?

[celest lichen]

dont forget about the pioneer accelerator

[wicked nacelle]

it's a bit more but not a ton. earlier versions of the game like b6 it was a LOT more

[green fiber]

250% overclock uses around 37% more energy than using more machines at 100% / lower than 100%

[leaden turret]

🏭 🏃‍♀️ 🏭

[white dawn]

My usual use of hypertubes pre-1.1 was in-factory "elevators"

[wicked nacelle]

by the time you're end game you'll likely just be 250%ing everything by default

[white dawn]

Obviously you'd only be able to pair up specific floors but they were quite handy for that purpose

[pine patrol]

depends

mostly on the distance if its far their more useful

[leaden turret]

🤔

vertical hypertube junction?

[blissful agate]

Notably, overclocking power producers linearly increases demand and is just more space efficient

[pine patrol]

Mainly human cannon base hypertubes frankly suck

[white dawn]

IMO they can be quite useful even outside of the (yes, IMO exploity) cannon implementation. :)

[wicked nacelle]

problem with traditional hypertubes is you have to go where they take you. A single cannon anywhere on the map can take you anywhere on the map

[white dawn]

Hmm, wonder if you can? Would be interesting to try. I still haven't found the time for a v1.1 playthrough

[leaden turret]

except behind the cannon

[placid comet]

I'll just need to keep increasing power output and keep an eye on my capacity then

[blissful agate]

I've seen people blueprint one as well

[wicked nacelle]

and since you can just blueprint one down anywhere... there's really no reason to do anything else

[white dawn]

Unless you just don't like cannons because they're too immersion-breaking. :)

[wicked nacelle]

we get it dude -- you have an opinion

[white dawn]

Remember they were only added back in due to community outcry; CSS never wanted the functionality in there, they just caved to pressure. :)

[leaden turret]

[ada voice] this is a factory, not a circus

[white dawn]

You're the one saying things like there's really no reason to do anything else as if it's fact.

[brazen coral]

New to the game but been grinding for 70 hours, fun game

[white dawn]

Yes, I'm providing a contrasting opinion to balance out yours. So it goes! :)

[celest lichen]

ficsit would approve, they already have ways to gently put you down if you go out of bounds, its just more efficient transportation

[blissful agate]

I made an entire pulse nobelisk production line to traverse would not recommend

[wicked nacelle]

sorry I'm trying to help people. You're just trying to declare your style as meaningful. What is HELPFUL is give the best answer and then let people ignore it. Not try to force "well that's not how I like to play" on other people. BE HELPFUL

[leaden turret]

this is satisfactory, not satisfact-ennui

[white dawn]

(And as I've said in the past, I'm really not against cannons; I've even used them myself (as recently as U8!). I'm just generally not as fond of them as the "canonical" options)

[leaden turret]

don't forget to sleep and poop.

-# not at the same time

[blissful agate]

Simmer down

[brazen coral]

But that's just wasting efficiency. Remember you only get 5 minutes of break.

[white dawn]

I am being helpful by pointing out that people's opinions aren't fact, and that there is nearly always not a "best" answer to things

[blissful agate]

The satisfactory discord special interest um actually wars must be warhammer scale

[leaden turret]

the existence of my opinions are a fact

[white dawn]

I know you disagree with that, but you're gonna have to cope with the fact that I believe there's a lot more nuance to the game, and I'd like to encourage the appreciation of that nuance. :)

[feral geyser]

While true, it's also unhelpful

[leaden turret]

search the discord for XKCD-386

[feral geyser]

Every question is asked in a context

[leaden turret]

I thought every question was asked in a text input box

[feral geyser]

Con-text = with text

[white dawn]

Café con text?

[leaden turret]

that'd be Café au text

[white dawn]

Hmm

[feral geyser]

Unless you're Spanish

[leaden turret]

chilli con texty

[blissful agate]

Early game suffers from the fact that I can math out how much rubber I need for x part and then just haul that much to where I'm putting the elevator

[white dawn]

Could move the elevator over by the oil instead, of course! :D

[blissful agate]

Yeah tru the oil derivatives are usually the higher throughput item

[leaden turret]

🚠
💈
💈
💈
💈
📦 🛢️

[celest lichen]

i still gotta come to terms that the game isnt endless and ignoring the space elevator requirements to chase an arbitrary personal goal is still the most satisfying way to play it for me

[white dawn]

I don't tend to move my elevator around much anymore, though I used to do it pretty frequently in the past

[leaden turret]

looks at awesome sink points per minute

[white dawn]

I do still wish that the Elevator had a built in "overflow" output so you could hook it up once and then never have to touch its belting again

[celest lichen]

processing all the bauxite in the map

[blissful agate]

Funnily enough that's what burned me out last time

[white dawn]

(I suppose I'd still have to go back to add in train + drone inputs as I unlock those)

[blissful agate]

I had all of the machines and ore logistics done, my spot just didn't have the water reserve to do a pretty build

[celest lichen]

since somersloops are a thing i havent really bothered with automating space elevator parts until phase 5

[blissful agate]

Yeah I try to speedrun with manual logistics until I get jetpacks basically. After that I've done throughput goals and that was very fun

[median rain]

How can you get more slugs after getting every one from the map, not counting the somersloop multiplier

[blissful agate]

Dogs can gift them, later tech allows for artificial power shards

[celest lichen]

||the humble synthetic power shard recipe unlockable during phase 5||

[median rain]

Like you mean into your inventory or out of another depot?

You can just take a stack, split it and manually upload it back from your inventory

[lunar plank]

Someone please tell me why the alien protein looks like ground beef gone bad😭

[blissful agate]

I wasn't able to find a way to be particular about withdrawls, you can upgrade inventory size to the point where a stack of shards on hand is nbd though

[median rain]

When you upload it from your inventory it's instant

[blissful agate]

Inventory upload is rate limited

[median rain]

Oh mb

Take my words with a grain of salt since I'm only in stage 2 and don't have all the depot upgrades

[blissful agate]

You can blueprint buildings to be preloaded iirc

Should be able to take from depot

[lunar plank]

I have a theory.

[leaden turret]

-# a game theory

[lunar plank]

Yes. Precisely

A game theory🤣

[blissful agate]

PoV you are a physics department director checking your spam folder

[lunar plank]

Hear me out. So the alien protein. We make that into DNA capsules

[median rain]

POV: you have a theory

[primal obsidian]

just realized the reason my assembler werent getting enough concrete is cause i completely forgot to connect a third of the constructors

[blissful agate]

Many such cases

[lunar plank]

However the alien protein looks like ground beef. What is the constructor is just rolling that SOB up and stuffing it into a capsule and sending it back to earth to feed to the people

[blissful agate]

I'm not sure how much the giant grinder helps with that

[lunar plank]

It makes it i to double ground beef

[blissful agate]

mcdonalds tubby custard

[lunar plank]

SEE EXACTLY

[primal obsidian]

for some reason instead of using the 320 steel excess to make encased steel beams i used the 1020 iron excess to make encased steel beams and i ddont know why i did that

[shy mulch]

Plenty iron about. Use the steel for something else. Both ways are fine

[white dawn]

Yeah, was about to say that the coal-to-iron ratios involved there seem about right when adjusted for global map availability. :D

[cerulean warren]

The Awesome Sink is a pyramid scheme. Most of the rewards are blueprints or cheap compared to what you have to pay in. They use that crap to pay off other pioneers.

[blissful agate]

Never done electrode steel but I've heard the math on it is good for final stage production

[blissful agate]

Instantly clogging my helmet filter with the unbelievable amount of powdered quartz spewing out of the fixit pyramid scheme delivery

[white dawn]

It's okay because FICSIT pyramids are guaranteed high-quality

[blissful agate]

So that's what all the trigons are for

[silk ocean]

type it into quick bar?

codex

[blissful agate]

joke

[white dawn]

FICSIT pyramid schemes: https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=+"pyramid" (not very many of them!)

[primal obsidian]

i could never be bothered to make something look good

but those are pretty cool

[blissful agate]

Best I can do is a containment box maybe

I've heard that improves performance?

[steel kelp]

Does anyone have any good ideas/concepts/references for building a centralised train yard

[primal obsidian]

i could never even bother to put walls either

[steel kelp]

Meaning trains from all around the map come in and unload there

[craggy vector]

I’m very early game like just unlocked advanced steel production and I live in the grassy fields area at the start, somehow I got to the purple biome without dying, very scary

[mossy hull]

guys im goibg crazy, i have one problem with train signialisation can anyone help me please

[fluid sapphire]

make a post with images in #1038092680493801533

[mossy hull]

thanks

[blissful agate]

If you end up somewhere really scenic prepare to run

[wicked nacelle]

Not a particular design but train stations stack vertically very well. I like to put a helix before and after and have each train station floor join the helix at a different trip around it.

[blissful agate]

Oh I see the vision

[craggy vector]

Too many alpha stingers and giant rhino hog things, doesn’t look like somewhere I’d want to be even late game, Christopher Columbus wouldn’t wanna colonize this

[wicked nacelle]

This is the kind of thing that if you dont correctly plan ahead you can really box yourself in with though — any sort of mega factory. Plan how much space you think you need… then double it.

Then DOUBLE IT AGAIN

And you’ll still run out but at least later

Satisfactory-calculator shows total resource availability rates and you can assume that each freight platform can handle 1800/m safely. Maybe 2000 if you want an easier number.

But I’d be really concerned about train traffic jams stopping you from being able to get trains in to stations fast enough.

[median rain]

I just made a big steel factory, but I checked the map and found a place with 3 pure nodes of both iron and coal, should I just keep my factory right now since I'm only in tier 2, or should I just move it to the better area

[wicked nacelle]

There’s tons of places with coal and iron — enough that you can often just build a factory for something else that needs steel parts and just make the steel it needs as part of that larger factory

[hard ivy]

the max throughput of a platform depends on belt speed and stack size. 1800 is only achievable with mk6 belts and stack size 200 or 500

[wicked nacelle]

But if you want a steel factory then just hook the one you have and a new one both to the same train line so you can use either from anywhere

[blissful agate]

Every time you tier up you need to rebuild everything for faster belts and more productive miners, if you can do it without moving it'll be fine

[median rain]

Alr thanks

[blissful agate]

Blueprint aggressively as soon as you get the blueprinter

4-8-12-16 smelter stacks for example

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch train_throughput

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=train_throughput

[wicked nacelle]

So it’s 1793 for 100 stacks. So I guessed close 🙂 so maybe go with 1500/m as a number to be safe in case you don’t get perfect train timings

[median rain]

I'll probably move it before or when I get trains

[wicked nacelle]

Do you NEED more now? I wouldn’t touch what’s already working until it’s not sufficient — better things to spend time on 🙂

[plain gate]

as a rule of thumb always just assume 1x mk6/train car

[white dawn]

Point of order: deciding to rebuild/upgrade/expand factories is a choice. Personally I never do it -- once I build a factory, it's done and I never touch it.

[hard ivy]

the wiki says 1793.08, but my own calculator says 1793.052. how lol

[white dawn]

The only thing I might upgrade is a miner connected to a node, and then I may split off that miner's output to feed another factory

But there's nothing wrong with leaving existing factories exactly as they are

[wicked nacelle]

While safe it’s pretty strongly conservative.

[white dawn]

(And IMO leaving factories as they are is one way to help prevent burnout -- constant upgrading and rebuilding can be exhausting, though I acknowledge that it can also be enjoyable if you're in the right frame of mind)

[blissful agate]

I'd say generally people on first playthru prefer not to expand logistics to that level

[wicked nacelle]

Maybe different assumptions about train length? Dunno

[white dawn]

I agree, but I would also say that the choice to play that way is also why so many first-time players end up overwhelmed and burnt out. :)

[wicked nacelle]

Or how long it takes exactly to get a train ready to dock?

[blissful agate]

There are certainly enough nodes to one and done a ton of stuff bit you'll start hiking for it

[white dawn]

Just mentioning that it's a choice to rebuild/expand/upgrade, not a necessity

[hard ivy]

train length has nothing to do with this

[blissful agate]

True but I'd say the root issue there is a lack of blueprinting which will invariably burn you out

[wicked nacelle]

Oh I guess not. I was thinking you needed the next train to dock immediately but you don’t want that

[median rain]

When do higher tier blueprinters get unlocked

[white dawn]

Sure sure, but even with blueprinting, you're never obligated to touch your existing factories at all

[wicked nacelle]

6x6 is basically end game

[white dawn]

I'm merely responding to the Every time you tier up you need to rebuild everything for faster belts and more productive miners claim, which I believe is not true at all

A player may think that's the only way to go (I certainly did a lot of that myself on my first playthrough), but whether you realize it or not, it's a choice not a necessity. :)

[blissful agate]

Each major tier above steel will give you another +1 to grid length

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch blueprint_designer

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=blueprint_designer

[wicked nacelle]

The wiki knows all

[median rain]

Also what do you mean by grid, do you mean it increases the area every tier by one of the area of the first tier?

[wicked nacelle]

There are three sizes. 4x4x4 5x5x5 and 6x6x6 as denoted by their mk number

[jovial karma]

This large animal has been standing still where i want to build a wall for like 30 min, how do i get rid of it?

[wicked nacelle]

Unlock milestones are in the wiki

[primal obsidian]

youve inspired me to make a really small pyramid around one of my 10x10 factories by just addind 2 to each side

[wicked nacelle]

Smack it and it will move

[white dawn]

Just keep thwacking it! It's got a high HP value (like 200, I think?) but they can be killed

(They'll respawn eventually, so don't feel too bad. :)

[median rain]

Oh ok

[wicked nacelle]

You don’t have to kill it usually it will run off with one smack. Two nukes will kill it

[white dawn]

Well, sometimes a bean will get "stuck" anyway; I've had to kill one or two which just wouldn't get out of the way

[wicked nacelle]

For sure they can get stuck. Put maybe 12 regular nobelisks on their back and enjoy the show.

Cluster nobes would be extra fun

[white dawn]

Sometimes you've gotta take a hard line with your fatory inspectors

[blissful agate]

4x4x4 upgrades to 5x5x5 at stage 3 and 6x6x6 at stage 5, thought the last upgrade was earlier but apparently not

[crisp barn]

I hate fluids

I hate fluids so much

whyyyyy

[white dawn]

Phase, not Tier, btw. :)

[jovial karma]

Cool thanks!

[crisp barn]

why does it just randomly lowers the flow rate for absolutely no reason

[wicked nacelle]

I still believe they found a white paper for real time fluids and blindly copied it without understanding the implications.

[white dawn]

Well, there is usually a reason, the main issue is that it's sometimes very difficult to figure out what that reason is until you're quite well-versed in the game's fluids

[crisp barn]

in the one factory that relies of fluids being consistent

[white dawn]

I'd recommend opening a #1038092680493801533 thread with as many screenshots as you can of the systems, btw

Folks can generally help, but having screenshots makes debugging a lot easier

[wicked nacelle]

Usual stuff is flat manifolds. Fully looping the entire pipe from source to destination. Prefilling.

[white dawn]

Big ol' paste inbound, btw:

Here's the advice I've got saved which will nearly always get you to working 600/min. IMO it's good advice even below that point, though the system is usually more forgiving before then. Note of course that people have gotten working systems while ignoring large swaths of this, and occasionally due to build styles or other vagaries you might still have problems even with all this. But IME it's nearly always "the pipes Just Work":

1. Keep the system as simple and short as possible.
2. Loop your manifolds (so: the input goes into both sides of the machines you're feeding)
3. Feed fluid from above, so gravity does part of the work for you
   4a. Avoid valves entirely (they've been improved for 1.0, so this one might not be as important, but you still don't actually need valves)
   4b. Avoid fluid buffers entirely (except as buffers for train lines, where they are rather necessary)
4. Prefill your pipes! Full pipes are happy pipes. Wait until the system's thoroughly saturated before turning machines on.
5. Place junctions before pipes. If you do snap junctions onto pipes, dismantle and rebuild the pipes afterwards.

See #screenshots message for an example of 2+3 specifically. And of course, as mentioned, the fluid simulation tends to be more forgiving as the rate goes down, so keeping your pipe systems below 600/min is another option too.

[blissful agate]

Pipe Rework: now introducing Laminar and Turbulent flow, dynamic phase changes, hydraulic diameter

[white dawn]

(I wonder why, like, every third paste of that text, it makes the number 6 item look so weird)

[wicked nacelle]

I’d have no problem with that if the game exposed the information and gave tools to deal with it. I’d like the option to turn on more complex simulation versions of things like fluids and power

Fluids feel like if belts just didn’t work as well on Thursday’s though.

[blissful agate]

Saw a mockup with phase angle on the power display and felt the aneurism protrude 0.1mm further

[wicked nacelle]

Btw I’ve had great luck packaging fluids at production shipping on a belt and then unpacking by consumption. The flow rate always seems very smooth. If you give up on everything else try that. Also depending on what you’re shipping it makes priority splitting trivial because you get to use belt tools

[crisp barn]

its not the problem in my case

I have a recycled plastic/rubber system

that relies on stable source oil

but it randomly just decreases the flow rate of oil pipes

[white dawn]

Well, again, I'd recommend a #1038092680493801533 thread with screenshots (and also take a look at my big ol' paste of advice above)

There's generally always a reason for flow rate problems, and there's folks who can help you diagnose them

[crisp barn]

I would by apparently my power grid just shit itself 🫠

[white dawn]

I agree it's annoying when it's hard-to-impossible to figure out yourself (as can often be the case with fluids), but generally the problem can be solved. :)

[primal obsidian]

ok i think i messed up the calculation, not sure though #screenshots message

now time to color it

[wicked nacelle]

Again if you’re desperate try packaging the oil right at the extractor and unpacking it right before your diluted fuel stuff. It really helped out my flow rates without doing the pipe tricks

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/7bIw3tq.png

[wicked nacelle]

Also it makes it really easy to see “flow rate”
Since you can put a belt monitor on it

[crisp barn]

again, its not that

I have enough fuel

[wicked nacelle]

You said you have an inconsistent flow rate problem

[green fiber]

ok may have been 35% ish more
i didnt check precisely

[south idol]

i enjoy the distinction between "satisfactory" and "satisfying", and there's a part of me that wouldve liked if the 'satisfactory' pun somehow leaned to satisfying

[wicked nacelle]

With oil right? Isn’t the oil used to make the fuel to feed the recycled loop?

[frail sleet]

No, your number is correct, i just wanna show that most of the power scaling curve is below 100% clock 😄

Some people take that away as "only +34%? I guess clocking doesn't matter".

But 30% clock is ~double the efficiency of 250% and still practical.

[crisp barn]

ok, I deliver oil by train, and store it in a big fluid buffer. The flow rate drops even with plenty fluid in the fluid buffer

its not that I dont have enough of it

[south idol]

do you pump it out?

[crisp barn]

yes

[crisp barn]

its that I do have enough of it, but its just isnt used for some stupid reason

[frail sleet]

not enough pipes and/or poorly designed pipes between oil and consumer, creating a bottleneck.

If you have enough pipes, basically anything works. But if you push against flow rate limits, lots of ways of building pipes don't work.

[wicked nacelle]

Yes. I’m saying package it right out of the fluid station. The interaction between suppliers and consumers interacts with slow that causes unexpected flor rates. Packagers seem to have a nice consumption and production rate that plays well.

[crisp barn]

I still dont get how it would make a difference

[wicked nacelle]

Complex chains of unsynced producers and consumers does weird stuff.

[wicked nacelle]

I hear you. But I’m saying try it if you’ve given up on other approaches.

[frail sleet]

You don't have to package it, but belts are easier to understand than pipes. They always flow at max rate. Pipes do not, they have an "up to" rating.

[blissful agate]

Packaging unpackaging feed tape very satisfying

[frail sleet]

The other easy hack is just split your 600/600 oil pipe into a pair of 300/600's before connecting them to complicated pipe networks. That puts half of the flow rate stress on each pipe, effectively doubling throughput at the problem area.

[wicked nacelle]

I’m saying that I’ve had 100% success rate with naive manifolds hooked up to packagers/unpackagers.

[jovial karma]

How do i remove rocks?

[wicked nacelle]

If they don’t blow up with a nobelisk you can’t.

[jovial karma]

oh

alright

[wicked nacelle]

It’s kind of weird what stuff you clear with nobe what with chainsaw and what you can’t at all. It’s not really very consistent.

So just try both (not for rocks that’s never chainsaw but for other things)

[hard ivy]

note that while explosive rebar works for exploding stuff, some (very few) things require an actual nobelisk

[wicked nacelle]

Can you rebar poison stuff?

I’ve literally never built that (unless it was needed for achievement but I’ve never used one)

[hard ivy]

yeah, I only remember like 2 large trees that don't explode with rebar but do with nobelisks

[unkempt blade]

if all else fails just set up a hypertube cannon pointed at what you want to destroy and use yourself as a large cailber projectile to destroy it

[oblique gate]

I believe it's usually round, cracked ones that can be blown up.

I haven't seen other types yet.

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah those are the ones that hide stuff but sometimes just general ground clutter can be cleared too for making foundations fit better or whatever

But sometimes the one that looks exactly like the one you blew up you can’t blow up. It’s weird

[blissful agate]

Miss rain badly

Surface reflection effects were magical

[white dawn]

Maybe in 1.2!

(AFAIK there has been no indication of such, but one can dream)

[rain plank]

Yo, can someone help me with the Train Signals pls ?

[wicked nacelle]

What’s the problem? If it’s complex you’ll want to make a post in the questions area

[unkempt blade]

Sorry everyone here has switched to just using factory carts instead 🙁

[rain plank]

I dont know where and how to use the Signals

[white dawn]

wtb Customizer skin which adds a cardboard "engine" around the cart

[blissful agate]

The voices are telling me to use plutonium rods for drone power

[white dawn]

If you were planning to sink the Pu rods anyway, they're a great choice (so long as you don't mind irradiating drone ports, anyway)

[primal obsidian]

idk man last i tried that i went splat against a wall

[wicked nacelle]

It’s long but this really is the best video on trains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2Siju3xmQ

Wait no. Wrong one

[unkempt blade]

Weird, maybe you just weren't going fast enough yet. Try adding some more boosters!

[wicked nacelle]

This one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGw8ngs--7o

[white dawn]

Please tell me that one was Rick Astley

[wicked nacelle]

Nah 🙁 just the follow up vid for the one I meant

[unkempt blade]

that's what I sing to my factory carts while they drive past

they run on love so Astley is perfect

[wicked nacelle]

Trains take a bit of getting used to but they are by far the most powerful transport in the game and worth the time invested in learning

If you build your rail right then each new factory you connect instantly gets full access to everything else by just adding a little more rail

[cinder jay]

anyone know how to make bleachers?

[wicked nacelle]

I did once as a summer job in high school…??

[cinder jay]

in game?

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t know what that refers to in game

[unkempt blade]

I think it's a bit easier to try them with mods/AGS after watching a tutorial like you posted. Being able to fly and not worry about resources, etc. makes it a lot easier to set up some practice routes and intersections and stuff

[cinder jay]

in saticfactory

[wicked nacelle]

For sure having an AGS “creative mode “ is great for trying lots of things.

[unkempt blade]

train signals aren't that complicated but it's nice trying some stuff out in a setting with faster feedback than a long train route in a real world

[wicked nacelle]

They’re black magic til they click then they’re “ohh that’s so easy”

And that click is nearly instant when it happens

But when you’re learning don’t worry about path signals. Just learn block signals. Once you fully understand them then you can optimize some intersections with path signals

[blissful agate]

I'm partial to the two engine back and forth line

[unkempt blade]

I went full circle and now I only use block signals again 😆

[fervent sand]

scale? color? level of detail?

also #design-and-architecture exists

[wicked nacelle]

Problem with that is you lose the best part about trains is that the rail doesn’t have to be made for each trip type. It’s easy but you delay your building of the type of rail that can connect the entire map. You get no “forward” benefit to that rail. But it is simple for sure

[lunar plank]

I have found a kinda cheese

[wicked nacelle]

The longer you go with push pull rail
The more intimidating making a highway system becomes because there’s more to rip up and replace

[unkempt blade]

Feta?!?

[wicked nacelle]

Chedda!!

[lunar plank]

No. If you ride the explorer into a wreck you don’t have to fight the hogs and spitters🤣

[blissful agate]

Usually just have a single push pull running oil products then looping after

[lunar plank]

Also. The factory cart is god tier comedy🤣

[wicked nacelle]

Oh. I was honestly confused 🙂

[unkempt blade]

same for factory carts if you can get them to go straight on the dirt

[wicked nacelle]

Why did you say that??!?

[lunar plank]

I got mine to go straight🤣

[wicked nacelle]

Now he’s never going to stop talking about them

[lunar plank]

😌

[blissful agate]

Plutonium powered cyberwagon logistics is the future

[lunar plank]

They are chefs kiss

[lunar plank]

No thank you I’m good

However I got electronic control rods from a wreck

[unkempt blade]

hey I don't need encouragement to never break character from my factory cart meme but I still appreciate it 😆

[blissful agate]

Just place all inputs right of your outputs and efficiency will vastly improve

[lunar plank]

What

[blissful agate]

Cyberwagon can't turn left

[unkempt blade]

yeah but wait until you see its blue steel finish

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah it’s like the old cheap RC cars that had “forward” and “reverse to the left”

[lunar plank]

I dispose teslas irl. What makes you think I’d get it for anything other than the achievement

Dispise**

[blissful agate]

Cyberwagon is incredibly efficient if your measure of efficiency is how quickly it burns fuel and how slowly it moves

[lunar plank]

That sounds about right

[white dawn]

I've occasionally thought that I should figure out a cyberwagon logistics route in a save. Route recording would be hellish but theoretically doable if you plan the route properly

[wicked nacelle]

Does it have route recording?

[lunar plank]

It’s all right turns tho

[white dawn]

Have it deliver like 1/min coal somewhere or something

[unkempt blade]

yeah but it can also function as a boat for short periods of time and is rebar-proof for your safety

[white dawn]

Yes, hence the careful route selection. :D

[wicked nacelle]

Having it deliver coal would give you irony points fo sho

[white dawn]

Hm, I suppose I've always just assumed that it did, but I admit I've never checked

[lunar plank]

Lord

Also somehow I got Alclad aluminum sheets😱

[wicked nacelle]

You can always make a 270

[white dawn]

Yeah, any right turn is a left turn if you try hard enough

Try Hard 2: Try Harder

[wicked nacelle]

Fast and the furious 66473 right turns only!!!

[lunar plank]

You could do a right only downward spiral road

[wicked nacelle]

you can cancel intro warnings/credits now at any time by tapping alt (or I swear I just did)

[fluid sapphire]

-nosplash flag used to work for steam launch options, that broke with 1.1 patch though

[wicked nacelle]

well if you held alt right away it would skip them before and I was pissed I missed it so I just hit alt anyhow and it stopped and went straight to main menu

[lunar plank]

Whaaa

[low tartan]

trying to work out the most logical way to organise my factories in phase 2. Do you folks try to ahve a factory focus on one ore? So one for copper, another for iron, another for steel, and then transport the end-products between factories? Or do you just go ad-hoc?

[fluid sapphire]

i tend to divide into smaller modules

[white dawn]

For my early game, I do tend to have "basic iron," "basic copper," and "basic steel" factories

[fluid sapphire]

BUT, my steel is all the same place

[white dawn]

Beyond that point, though, if any other factory needs more iron/copper/steel products, I just make more right inside that new factory

[low tartan]

basic outputs being what? plates / rods / screws?

[white dawn]

Yes to plates/rods, no for screws. The way I do it is that a factory only outputs to my personal (build-gun) storage (or the space elevator)

[fluid sapphire]

note on screws: they are only used as an intermediate, there is no need to produce a supply outside of where they are directly needed for something else

[white dawn]

Screws are never used by the build gun except for AWESOME shops (and a few equipment workshop items) so I don't tend to have those as a factory output

A couple stacks of screws should do you for most of the game

[low tartan]

ah, so you mean you have your factory output items that you need on your person to build things?

[fluid sapphire]

thats where the majority of what you produce ends up

[low tartan]

my first factory outputs rotors and reinforced plates. I think this is too far in the process and is causing me a bit of a problem, it means ive nothing just outputtig normal plates and rods.

[white dawn]

Yep, and then if some other factory needs that resource as an intermediate resource, I just make more right inside that factory (ie: however much that factory needs)

Not the only way to play, of course, though I'm sure there are those here who are sick of me taking about it. :D

[low tartan]

do you have assemblers located in a different factory to your constructors then?

[fluid sapphire]

this is because you probably daisy chained onto your previous production, only do that if you are planning ahead for that

you will still need most of the precursors as a separate production

[low tartan]

yea i did because i had it set up for the phase 1 space elevator requirements

[fluid sapphire]

you can only stretch that line so thin, at the start of the game its fine

[near thicket]

Is SAM ore useful for ANYTHING else or should I just do miner -> Constructor into animated -> Depot at every node I find

[white dawn]

Nah, it's more like, I've got a Reinforced Iron Plates factory which is making, say, 30/min RIP, and the plan looks like this: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=bhtZSTDGwUuYCkSUwBJw (in reality I'd probably be using some alts, but that's all vanilla recipe)

[low tartan]

i have like 5000 rotors now lol, this seems way overkill for this stage of the game so maybe i should just tear this line down

[fluid sapphire]

sam is mostly for late game stuff, aside from sam fluctuators

[low tartan]

outputting rotors feels like a waste anyway

[white dawn]

And then a little after that, I want to automate 4/min Modular Frames, so that factory looks like this: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=gvABzK64lwIfWNYBfq6w (again, in reality I'd be using some alts, but whatever)

The Modular Frame factory is making its own Reinforced Iron Plates, even though I've got a separate factory for those

[fluid sapphire]

set it up to go to a sink, and go build more production elsewhere

[white dawn]

Each factory's nice and isolated from each other, and once a factory's done I can basically forget about it forever

[low tartan]

sink?

[fluid sapphire]

!wikisearch awesome_sink

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome_sink

[low tartan]

ohhhhh

[fluid sapphire]

coupon go brr

[haughty torrent]

I recently made a modular frame factory and I ended up being able to bring over excess materials from other places in the factory, only had to make 40 screws and 20 plates to fill the rest of the necessities. It was a very good feeling having a use for those excess materials rather than putting them into storage.

[sleek scroll]

I want to know, do you guys normally build in the Crystal Canyon with the sulfur, coal, and oil making turbo fuel with the water? Because my options are making like a platform over the whole thing or shipping it out somewhere. And where to? Im really trying to utilize more of the map this playthrough

[tall lantern]

though that then means you're no longer stockpiling the original resource, and things like rods and plates are always needed

[haughty torrent]

No those excess materials were seperate from the dedicated production for materials for me to use personally. For example I had 10 plates per minute as excess in the smart plating manufacturing.

[wicked nacelle]

for me, if the part builds out of iron/copper/coal/limestone I build it whereever I need to use it to build the higher tier stuff. Basically i can always find a spot that has those four... then once i start needing more exotic resources, then you likely build next to one of them and the 4 base resources and then ship in other resources or higher-tier stuff built elsewhere

WHOA WAIT

DISCORD SUPPORTS REGEX HAXXOR???

[hard ivy]

HUH? fkin where?

[tall lantern]

to edit your most recent message? yes

[wicked nacelle]

holy shittin hell

[tall lantern]

/s/yes/yesssssss

or something

[wicked nacelle]

just type in s / source / destination/

without the spaces

[tall lantern]

someone made Doom in Discord images by abusing that lol

[wicked nacelle]

and it does your last thing you typed

MIND = BLOWN

[amber skiff]

Game came out on Xbox 10 days ago, I have 5 days playtime, my head hurts, and I've only just unlocked the manufacturer

[tall lantern]

standard

[hard ivy]

why is this even a feature. just press the up arrow and edit manually

[wicked nacelle]

cuz 1 it 2 can 3 fix 4 any 5 number 6 of 6 things

limited regex it appears or I'm not escaping things right 1

[lethal geyser]

What phase 1 item thats not DNA capsules give the most points for coupons

[wicked nacelle]

elevator items

[tall lantern]

uranium?

[wicked nacelle]

so smart plates

[lethal geyser]

Alr

[wicked nacelle]

at least per unit. but -- yeah maybe a higher rate of something worth less per would be better

[tall lantern]

you can find a list of sink points on the wiki fyi

[wicked nacelle]

also, with dna, you can DOUBLE sloop that process for 4x the DNA

there's 2 processing steps and you can sloop each

[blissful agate]

For low effort I like quartz crystals but elevator parts always best

[lethal geyser]

I know that I just haven't found sam yet

Idk where its at in the grassy fields

[wicked nacelle]

it's often near quartz, just as a general guideline -- but there are no "small deposits" of it so you have to find a real ore node

[tall lantern]

since uranium's 35/item, a miner with a mk2 belt probably beats realistic production of spelevator stuff in phase 1

[wicked nacelle]

if you want spoilers, you can always look at the map -- https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[blissful agate]

yeah smart plating sinks for 520 quartz crystals sink for 50

[lethal geyser]

Yeah i know where 2 of em, the rocky desert and dune desert ones but not for the grassy fields

Wait

How much points does uranium give

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch uranium

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=uranium

[tall lantern]

...

[blissful agate]

Quickwire also sinks for a respectable amount

[tall lantern]

and as mentioned...
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink

[blissful agate]

Hadn't even considered you could tap that in advance

Yeah that's gotta be it

[lethal geyser]

Only 35 points for uranium

[tall lantern]

far easier to get 120/min of that than of smart plating though 😛

[lethal geyser]

But ive only got mk1 miners

[wicked nacelle]

just set up some stuff to sink and go do other stuff -- watched coupon counter never boils 🙂

[blissful agate]

One uranium node at 270 ≈ 18.2 smart plating a minute worth of points, ≈ 8.1 for 120.

[tall lantern]

overclocking is an option

[wicked nacelle]

come back later and be pleasantly surprised by how many you have

[lethal geyser]

Im building stuff to make parts rn, I need a rotor and modular frame factory got half of a reinforced plate factory rn

[wicked nacelle]

so what do you need coupons for?

[blissful agate]

DNA is overwhelmingly better earlygame

[lethal geyser]

To make buildings

[wicked nacelle]

I'm honestly confused.

[tall lantern]

heck it stays competitive for a long time since it scales separately from regular item sinking

[wicked nacelle]

are you buying parts to build buildings?

[lethal geyser]

Architecture

[lethal geyser]

No walls n shit

[wicked nacelle]

IC

[haughty torrent]

Spend all of your coupons buying parts, trust me, very good idea.

[lethal geyser]

Nah just build em

[blissful agate]

[wicked nacelle]

I have expensive habits -- trying to fill this belt 🙂 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1439045113283215430/image.png?ex=691916b3&is=6917c533&hm=9be0ebe50c2757c35a7557831a4f98bb819a0f012728184ac27cc2844055bf59&

[blissful agate]

Speedrun does actually cycle tickets or at least did when you could buy parachutes with them, but it completely fucks your ticket economy and makes endgame trophy grind horrific

[wicked nacelle]

I think I lost a small chest of nuts somewhere 🙁

[blissful agate]

Epiphane obv I don't know if anyone else is crazy enough

[dapper glen]

i can agree on this, i had a total of like 100+ animal carcasses, and i sloop crafted it all into capsules, i had like +400 capsules when i finished

i put allat into the sink, redeemed for 42 tickets

its hella busted

[blissful agate]

Sub 10 hours is simply absurd

[pine patrol]

what is the point of wet concrete it seems useless

[wicked nacelle]

those coupon prices go up too.. but yeah it's a lot. and I think that's good since it's active work to gather

[wicked nacelle]

oh god no! It's amazing

[blissful agate]

Dispose of water byproduct by sinking it

[south sinew]

water is free and it saves limestone so why would it be useless

[dapper glen]

average price rn capsule wise is 14 capsules

[wicked nacelle]

limestone isn't nearly as abandunt as it initially seems. You can easily suck an entire region dry for stuff -- I use the rubber one too. It becomes that valuable

[dapper glen]

CAPSULES? IN THIS ECONOMY?

[south sinew]

it's not just about finding limestone, it's also about the belting and the power shards for the miners and the time spent routing etc etc

it's easier to process it more efficiently with wet concrete

[blissful agate]

counterpoint 28 capsules per nuclear hog

[dapper glen]

i hate getting caterium

[south sinew]

you can use the same blueprint for pure iron/pure copper/steamed sheet/etc

[wicked nacelle]

nuclear and singularity cells LOVE dat 'crete

[dapper glen]

the only close node of caterium near me is an impure node and thats like 600 meters away

[wicked nacelle]

make sure you use pure ingots and then the quickwire that uses copper to stretch it -- you'll likely be fine

[dapper glen]

i might actually use some power shards to get more caterium so its equivalent to a pure node

[dapper glen]

wdym, like a recipe that uses both copper and caterium to make quickwire?

[wicked nacelle]

you should essentially always 250% ever miner. But it's still just slightly better than normal after sharding -- not pure

[wicked nacelle]

it's an alt I forget which

My main save sinks 240M points/m

[blissful agate]

There's a reddit spreadsheet for alternate recipes and their respective weighted resource efficiencies for final stage project parts that I consult for projects

Obv I'm still using solid steel religiously but for larger projects very big

[dapper glen]

guys

what does mk4 belts use

jst wondering for when i get to phase 2

[wicked nacelle]

steel production is DRASTICALLY skewed by end game coal needs

[blissful agate]

Encased beams I fear

[blissful agate]

Oh yeah I'm aware some resources are suddenly crucially scarce

[dapper glen]

BRO R U KIDDING ME IM ALREADY STRUGGLING WITH AUTOMATING STEEL BC THE NODES ABSOLUTELY SUCK CHEEKS HERE

[wicked nacelle]

this many https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1439046930054385854/image.png?ex=69191864&is=6917c6e4&hm=7988ac6ed35785a6551436168be0256c518310a22370fd6f134b39f6ae99742b& -- plus a few of the other end game elevator parts

BWDs are 2.6M?

[haughty torrent]

I ended up making my steel production by the crater lakes, 3 pure coal, 3 pure iron and a couple of limestone nodes all quite close.

[blissful agate]

Keep grabbing hard drives until you have solid steel ingot and encased industrial pipe, makes it a lot easier

Also blueprint more

[dapper glen]

im looking at steel alts rn and yeah solid steel sounds rlly good, imo 60/min is rlly efficient for me, i fw rates that are multiples of 60

[blissful agate]

If you need to do more than some basic power and belt hookups you're not blueprinting enough and will burn out eventually

[wicked nacelle]

yes, solid steel is a super easy upgrade at the cost of just making ingots which you may just already be doing anyhow