satisfactory

[jaunty jewel]

quickwire is much worse imo

[dim cradle]

On the other hand though, if you don't mind making Steel Beams and splitting off a tiny bit of the manufacturing for those

[deft wagon]

fortunately screws are very easy to phase out

[dim cradle]

you can make a lot of screws without much effort in one constructor

[urban bobcat]

Probably yeah

[dim cradle]

It's actually super easy to condense screw manufacturing if you feel like it

[jaunty jewel]

they are im pretty sure they can be completely avoided if you play a certain way

[urban bobcat]

Ooh didnt think of that but oh well

yeahhh probably

[deft wagon]

I basically fully avoided them
I had one line that used them before I got all the alt recipes

[dim cradle]

Like actually I think Steal Beams aren't used for an awful lot later on or at least not required for them? You start getting a lot of alt recipes that can just use Steel Pipes instead.

[urban bobcat]

idk my playstyle is probably "quite unique" idk how many people do it but right now I have like 4 mini factories where I just grabbed what I need from those mini factories (if that make sense)

[dim cradle]

and Steel Pipes can be made with just iron ingots in one constructor if you want

[urban bobcat]

coal?

[deft wagon]

Im pretty sure the alt with concrete in foundry is the best way to make steel pipes

[urban bobcat]

Most of them are sorta close to eachother whilst one is abt a minute and a half away from my main base

[deft wagon]

Making it modular is fair
Mega factories can be a bit iffy

[dim cradle]

It depends on how much complexity you want for it lol. There's so much iron out there that I opted for just turning my iron ingots straight into Iron Pipes recipe in a lot of spots just because it's so easy

[jaunty jewel]

just the ai expansion server line explicity needs them

[deft wagon]

Fair enough

[urban bobcat]

wdym iffy?

[jaunty jewel]

hard to make, manage and expand

[deft wagon]

Yeah this

[jaunty jewel]

lots of future-planning is necessary

[urban bobcat]

yeah that sounds like a VERY LATE game

like VERY END game

[jaunty jewel]

no

[dim cradle]

You don't use coal at all in the Iron Pipes recipe, which is part of why I like it. You can just use all of those iron sources all over the map to just turn them basically straight into pipes.

[urban bobcat]

no?

[jaunty jewel]

a mega factory is where you bring everything to one place at once and make it all in the same place pretty much

or a lot of things at one place

[urban bobcat]

ooh iron pipes yeah thats what I've been using and its so nice

[deft wagon]

you usually start early/earlymid game i think

depends how good you are at planning

[dim cradle]

And a lot of Steel Beam recipes have alts that can use steel pipes so you can avoid steel beams for most things tbh

[deft wagon]

lower tiers conveyors are slow for large production lines

[dim cradle]

Turning them into a lot of screws can actually be viable if you just want screws on the cheap later

[urban bobcat]

yeah exactly but what I was trying to say is where you'll have to adjust some things, move things and expand and all that crap right? Where if u wait till the very end and just do it all at once it might be easier? Idk for sure Im still new I just got the game few weeks ago

[jaunty jewel]

yes like i mentioned the only thing that absolutely needs them is the ai expansion server line (mfg/versatile framework)

[jaunty jewel]

how are you going to wait until the "very end" to make heavy modular frames

[urban bobcat]

what is ai expansion and mfg?

[jaunty jewel]

late/end game spelevator part

i forget to include spoilers

[urban bobcat]

oooh that idk yet im just working on finishing finishing phase 2 for the space elavator

[dim cradle]

Idk why I'm not just turning in all of this stuff and completing phase 3.

[jaunty jewel]

yes a mega factory is moreso something you expand throughout your whole playthrough

[deft wagon]

ohhh have fun
it starts getting complex

[dim cradle]

I could totally do it any time but I just don't feel like it for some reason.

[urban bobcat]

brother

[jaunty jewel]

phase 4 best phase

[deft wagon]

You dont have tk immediately make project parts

I waited forever on 4

[dim cradle]

Yeah I think we got the matter colliders or whatever and were doing nuclear power on my save 3 years ago, but we just kind of stopped because iirc there wasn't much after phase 4 was complete anyway.

I started a fresh solo save so that's what I'm doing now, about a week ago

[jaunty jewel]

idk ive finished phase 4 in a few hours before but other times its taken me weeks

all comes down to playstyle

[urban bobcat]

brother I just made this and I thought it was somewhat complicated I mean don't get wrong I know its gonna get even more complicated.

[dim cradle]

You don't get radioactive protection gear until phase 4 I'm pretty sure so I should probably just go ahead and unlock it.

[lucid temple]

currently on phase 4 and have spent like 7 hours and still trying to automate one item

[urban bobcat]

I couldnt send the file and couldnt share the picture but its in the math-and-design chat

[jaunty jewel]

phase 2 is imo the hardest phase to complete

[dim cradle]

Without radioactive protection gear it's going to take me a lot of death to try to get those sloops that are stuck in Uranium...

[lucid temple]

Its mainly because my old factory to produce the end of phase 3 items was so messy I couldn't add on or debug it so getting into the phase 4 items was impossible so I'm rebuilding all of that

[urban bobcat]

really? how come?

[deft wagon]

To be honest, the learning curve gets way easier when you get to the harder things
It sort of clicks in your head when you understand everything
I used to use satisfactory calculator all the time but I just do it all in my head now

[dim cradle]

I don't think I've ever used any calculator it's kind of all just basic rate math isn't it?

[lucid temple]

Quickwire production is starting to become a problem

[urban bobcat]

yeahh I tried using that website but it just doesnt give me what I want. prolly just have to spend more time on it huh

[lucid temple]

High speed connectors is absolutely eating my quickwire

[dense violet]

what were you trying to make?

[deft wagon]

Its more balancing multiple machines early game when you dont quite understand jt all

[jaunty jewel]

its such a huge jump from phase 1 imo depending how you reach phase 2, and once you reach phase 3 youll have enough experience to understand how all the machines are going to end up working and youll remember how to make parts how pipes work etc etc

[lucid temple]

I still click half the menu options in the builder menu before finding the one I want though 😂

[jaunty jewel]

i wouldnt recommend using a calculator site for your first playthrough unless you absolutely need to, plan things out yourself

[dim cradle]

Yeah it's more fun to just yolo build imo

[urban bobcat]

Like factories ideas or layout now I just do it on creative and play around there

[dim cradle]

And if you didn't do it optimally the first time, don't rebuild just leave it there and make another one with another resource node or two.

[jaunty jewel]

thats what i do now i regret using calculator sites on my first playthrough im talking from experience

[dense violet]

well calculators are more telling you what you'll need for hte factories machines

doing layouts is easier in game

[urban bobcat]

yeahhh kind of what I thought

[dim cradle]

I think rebuilding is really tedious so unless you absolutely need to do it, it's kind of might as well let it at least make the parts you're using to build stuff for dimensional storage

[dense violet]

eh, Planners help you swap recipes in and out without having ot redo everything. That way yo ucan see what changes when you change 1 recipe

[urban bobcat]

also applying alt recipes was kinda annoying so like I said now its all in creative mode

[jaunty jewel]

yeah but you can also just... do it yourself

[dense violet]

applying alt recipes?
were you using tools? if so just check the recipe you want and uncheck the other

[dense violet]

Tools can do it in 2seconds instead of 30 minutes

[jaunty jewel]

okay but wheres the fun in that

[dense violet]

1 recipe change in a largish factory can change every step in the process

[deft wagon]

just skips the selling point of the game

[dense violet]

Wheres the fun in doing grade 5 maths for 30 minutes?

[urban bobcat]

yeahh I prolly really should just spent more time on that huh

[dense violet]

the point of hte game is not grade 5 maths

grade 5 is being generous

[jaunty jewel]

yes and its also not going onto website and letting it spit out an entire factory at you

[dim cradle]

Then I think they should include a large scale planner in the game that balances for you in the game.

[dense violet]

it just spits out numbers. Up to you to design it

if anything, design is much more of a point than basic maths

spend 30 min designing it instead of changing 1 recipe to see if you want to keep it that way

[jaunty jewel]

if it takes 30 mins thats on you to be fair

[dim cradle]

This is a copout answer but it all just comes down to playstyle

Some people like planning some people like just doing

[jaunty jewel]

i think there should be a better "planner" than the to-do list in game

[dim cradle]

I agree with that

If the point of the game is not this grade 3-4 math then the game should take care of more of it for you

[jaunty jewel]

something that lets you note what recipe you were planning on using in x amount of y machine and then you can check it off after

[dense violet]

everyone plans it differently. Everyone likes different planners

[jaunty jewel]

you dont need it to do the math for you since its literally stuff you can do in your head

[dense violet]

I use a spread sheet for some of it.

[jaunty jewel]

or you can use the built in calculator in game

[dense violet]

the calculator can't revamp an entire line if you decide to change 1 aspect of it

[deft wagon]

theres a calculator in game...?

[dim cradle]

I'm probably kind of weird because I just do it on the fly and math it out in my head as I'm building it. As for what recipes I'm using, they're just whichever ones are most convenient at the time to get it running.

[jaunty jewel]

yes but you can still work it out in your head lol there isnt logarithms or trigonometry in satisfactory its bidmas at most

[dense violet]

literally just a basic calculator.

[deft wagon]

where though

[wicked nacelle]

Press N and type in stuff

[jaunty jewel]

press n

[dense violet]

I think you press n?

[urban bobcat]

spreadsheet is wild

[jaunty jewel]

then type in calculation

[deft wagon]

Oh the quick menu thing?

[wicked nacelle]

Yes it pulls up recipes and does math

[dense violet]

I never both with it. Any serious calculations get a proper planner. Other than that can do it in my head

[urban bobcat]

nah just type it and type ur numbers like 5 * 2

[jaunty jewel]

maybe i dont know what its actual purpose is since i only use it for calculator

[urban bobcat]

then itll show u ur answer

[dense violet]

with spread sheets you can plan nitty gritty things, like very specific parts of layouts

[dim cradle]

Most of this is just rate math so all I really need is mental math. If I don't get it quite perfectly it isn't going to kill anyone

[urban bobcat]

heesh man

[dense violet]

like how I'm getting 5600 ingots of various types to quickwire machines and how I'll be breaking up the groups for hte stage after that

[dim cradle]

The only part that's kind of gotta be done perfectly is anything involving fluids, if the fluid would stop the product from being made

[deft wagon]

your refineries will when they fill up with water!!!

[wicked nacelle]

You don’t need to plan. Build the stuff to build the final output then build the stuff to feed it. Then the stuff to feed that. Eventually you’re just done

[jaunty jewel]

i make a point to set an item of a goal, look at the intermediates, make those, suddenly ive beaten the game

[dim cradle]

Yeah I just use a little extra care for refineries lol

[wicked nacelle]

Until you’re running out of world
Resources you really don’t have to plan much — and running out is well past beating the story

[urban bobcat]

5600???? excuse me? are u fr? what phase are u on?

[jaunty jewel]

i have got a fair amount of experience but i dont think that changes some things

[jaunty jewel]

you never once have to make 5600 ingots of anything at once, depends on playstyle/how much of an item you want to make

[dim cradle]

But you know you could just package that water and sink it. Make your own Industrial Dasani

[jaunty jewel]

some people may make 5 of an item some may make 50

does it matter which you do? no

at the end of the day its a sandbox and its just your playstyle that matters

[deft wagon]

They're probably the hardest thing to learn in the game for beginners

[jaunty jewel]

fluids in general

[dim cradle]

Well pipes are just weird anyway

[wicked nacelle]

Depends on recipe

[dim cradle]

because it involves physics, too

[dusky aspen]

guys help i cannot even build without foundations now

[deft wagon]

I mean you first unlock them w/ crude oil refining which was for me the steepest learning curve for balancing

[dim cradle]

The funniest thing to do in this game, and I wonder if anyone has tried this, is to just get rid of all actual fluid piping in the game.

Package everything and unpackage it where you use it

[true mulch]

Pipes just didn't exist before update 3

[dim cradle]

Unless you just can't package some fluids XD

[true mulch]

The game was 10x easier

[jaunty jewel]

i mean that could work, but why

[dim cradle]

If all the fluids are physical objects until their destination you don't need to worry about any overflow or anything

[deft wagon]

for long distance i package fluids but in the same factory there's literally no point

[dim cradle]

it's all daijoubu

It would kind of be super meme but just imagine a factory with only packaged fluids everywhere XD

[true mulch]

I don't think excessive packaging would really help in any meaningful way, the issues often happen at the point of machine inputs or outputs

[dim cradle]

At the outputs you would package it and could use an overflow belt to just immediately dispose if you need to

That'd be the funny thing

Lots of power spent on packaging and unpackaging

[jaunty jewel]

its fine power is practically infinite

[dim cradle]

I know it sounds like a super hot take for a minute but just imagine for a moment nothing but belts of packaged fluids instead of any piping at all and just unpackagers and packagers everywhere

Would be a fun paradigm shift if nothing else

[deft wagon]

one pure crude oil node can make insane power with nitro rocket fuel

[dim cradle]

But I'm not sure if some fluids have packaging recipes is the only thing

🤔

[deft wagon]

I think its more efficent than nuclear in some cases

[jaunty jewel]

i mean they are very very different

[deft wagon]

Yeah true

Nuclear is annoying to setup for your first time

[dim cradle]

actually... I'm kind of tempted to try a full physical factory...

[jaunty jewel]

nuclear is incredibly fun, however it takes a LOT longer than rocket fuel

[deft wagon]

it can make a lot more power though

[frail sleet]

not really, iirc max power build is mostly rocket fuel

[dim cradle]

Just no fluids huh... but I can't do that right now, I only have geo and sloop power

25 GW isn't gonna sustain that many packagers

[jaunty jewel]

rocket fuel

[dim cradle]

Oh well.

[deft wagon]

I wouldn't be surprised

[dim cradle]

Wait so oil power outdoes nuclear? Lol ouch...

[deft wagon]

Probably overall

You can make 600 rocket fuel a min with like 150 crude oil

Obviously with sulfur nitrogen and coal

[lucid temple]

I just want nuclear because it sounds cool

[jaunty jewel]

nuclear is very fun to set up (minus quickwire)

[deft wagon]

Yeah id say its worth it
I enjoyed making them

[dim cradle]

Idk we did set up nuclear power and colliders 3 years ago but like I don't remember much of it. I don't really remember it being that hard, just kind of a lot of stuff required per cell that goes into them that's all

[lucid temple]

Quickwire is just annoying now because I'm limited by belt speed. I just automated high speed connectors finally, and 56 quickwire per craft (210/minute) is just hard with my belt speed right now, even tho it shouldnt be in reality

[dim cradle]

... To be honest nothing in this game is hard it's just tedious sometimes that's all

[frail sleet]

Move ingots on merged belts, make quickwire in front of the machine consuming it

[deft wagon]

Fully processing to ||ficsonium|| is a net negative i beleive but it makes a lot of power with no waste

[frail sleet]

You get more wasteless power by sinking plutonium rods, because it doesn't eat all of your resources and you can turn those back around into more uranium.

[sullen gull]

Porque no los dos? Nuke AND Rocket fuel? 😏 #screenshots message

[dim cradle]

I don't know why I had this idea now I'm super tempted to try out a full physical fluid factory

[deft wagon]

Makes sense

[dim cradle]

The only question is how much actual fluid can a belt fit on it...

[sullen gull]

None?

Oh, wait, well packaged ... nm

[dim cradle]

Yeah the idea is to get rid of almost all piping

Just move fluids as nothing but packaged

use overflow belts at the output to get rid of excess and/or pipe it back into the main belt lines for the fluid

[sullen gull]

Oh.

If doing it for a "challenge", go nuts. If doing it because "pipes are too hard"... way more effort imo.

[deft wagon]

I do not understand this insanity
What did pipelines do to you

[frail sleet]

I have a save file with two buffers, one of them stood on top of the other one

and the bottom buffer empties itself into the top buffer for no apparent reason

none has been able to diagnose it 😄

[deft wagon]

Not to be that guy

But im pretty sure fluids dont do that

[frail sleet]

you can take a look if you want

[deft wagon]

Oh no im not denying it being fake
I could totally see it, im joking about how gravity doesn't do that

[rigid vessel]

#screenshots message is this possible or do i needa find sulfur 😔

[frail sleet]

oh yeah IRL, definitely not 😄

[deft wagon]

You need sulfur

Just find a node and put an automatic miner on it

There's the small removable ones all over the map

[rigid vessel]

im so cooked 😭

[sullen gull]

With a pipe attached between the two? Where is the water coming in? Are there pumps?

[dim cradle]

I actually wonder if you'd save effort in the long run. Just think about it, no having to care if any machine gets backed up at all, no caring about gravity, no bulky pipes running throughout the factory.

Well it's just a fun thought experiment.🤔

[deft wagon]

Its an easy research line

[sullen gull]

Never had an issue with any of that personally. Not in a long while anyhow

[deft wagon]

If you think that's hard you arent ready for whats coming

[rigid vessel]

All me and my friend have done is get the first node on it we dont even have black powder

[deft wagon]

what phase you on?

[dim cradle]

Not really had an issue with it per se but I'm kind of curious whether it'd actually be more effort or not.

I guess main annoyance is making canisters all the time

[deft wagon]

you could just closed loop them

[gray jungle]

Well, I just unlocked Mk. 2 miners

[dim cradle]

Yeah with a machine making more in case any leave the system

[gray jungle]

time to completely disassemble my base and remake it so it's at max efficiency....

[deft wagon]

how would they leave the system

just make enough to fill every machine that packages the fluids and a little extra

[rigid vessel]

Phase 1 😭
We are getting all the milestones in tiers 3 and 4 before we get the next phase

[frail sleet]

A few things consume cannisters (like vehicles and turbo diamonds)

but if you unpackage before they touch anything, yeah, they can't consume them.

[deft wagon]

I thoufht they literally meant just getting fluids from a -> b with packagers

[frail sleet]

ye you can do that 100% closed loop

[gray jungle]

Does anyone have any good guides for putting together coal gens? I have like, 13, but I feel like I could optimize it to have more power

[deft wagon]

Just use some automatic miners on the nodes and collect them every once in awhile
You wont need sulfur for a long time

[dim cradle]

Output overflow. In case you didn't 100% balance your fluids the whole advantage of the approach would be that you could just sink any excess so no output ever gets backed up

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[deft wagon]

you dont really need to balance them
theyd be packaged and ubpackaged at the needed rate no?

[dense violet]

3 water extractors to 8 gens.

needs 120 coal pm (1xmk2 belt)

[deft wagon]

Flashbanged me...

[frail sleet]

In solids you have the priority merger, so you can easily build a system which consumes all byproduct before anything else, stalling the fresh input just enough.

so you never have to sink anything

[gray jungle]

ty !!

I forgot this game has a wiki 😭

[dim cradle]

Yeah but as a just in case you'd probably still want an overflow splitter right? 🤔 Well I guess it's easy to just make something that consumes the extras too you're right

[dense violet]

praise the wiki, love the wiki

[dim cradle]

Never have any waste lol

[frail sleet]

No, there aren't any extras. Output is always smaller or equal to input.

Well, without sloops at least.

[gray jungle]

Im actually glad Im redoing my base again

Most of my complex stuff was running at half efficiency

[dim cradle]

So you mean just making it so that none of the input packagers can put more into the system until the output packagers' lines have entered it via giving them priority? Ahhh yeah that'll work thanks that's a great idea

[frail sleet]

Yeah

[gray jungle]

Just to show the aftermath

#screenshots message

[dim cradle]

I'm just wondering how much solid liquid a conveyer built can carry vs a pipe now

Would be funny if it was actually more

[frail sleet]

it says on the belt

like 120, 270 etc

[dense violet]

you hae to have a belt to return the cannisters back

[gray jungle]

Isn't a pipe "unlimited"?

[dim cradle]

But you have to convert that to the liquid volume per container right

[deft wagon]

max youd beavle to do with one line is 1200

[dense violet]

that's why the pipes in the diagrams for coal gens are the way they are

[frail sleet]

liquid volume per container is 1. Unless it's nitrogen / rocket fuel

[deft wagon]

300 for mk1 and 600 for mk2

[gray jungle]

Oh yeah good point.

[dim cradle]

So actually by mk5 belts you'd have more volume per belt than a mk2 pipe?

[dense violet]

not if you needed the cannisters back

which you really should

[frail sleet]

yes, but you need to send the empty tanks back, so it evens out

but you can send 2400/min rocket fuel or 4800/min nitrogen on one belt lol

[dense violet]

2x mk2 pipes could do 1200 units of fluid pm
2x mk5 belts could do 780 fluid units pm

[deft wagon]

cursed

[dense violet]

things get a bit dif with gasses

[dim cradle]

I'm actually legit wanting to try this now

Just get rid of all pipes

[sullen gull]

Gasses can compress, liquid cannot

[dense violet]

pipes are easy. Just work with some basic info and you're good

[dim cradle]

Well most pipes

[dense violet]

keep them simple

and if you break up your your fluids into smaller sections, say 300 fluid groups, you can basically do whatever you like

[gray jungle]

I am just now realizing that my coal gen setup is extremely bad

[deft wagon]

Post it in screenshots if you havent already

[gray jungle]

#screenshots message

It's kind of obvious now that I kind of get the setup, but I've been avoiding guides

[deft wagon]

to be fair that isnt terrible if its your first time

[shrewd palm]

To the northwest there is a MUCH better spot for coal

Big pit with 4 normal nodes and a good sized lake

[gray jungle]

Oh yeah, I'm using that for energy and coal for steel production

[dim cradle]

It wouldn't necessarily be about it being objectively better, I would just be curious about how I would like it. Am probably going to get MK5 belts going before trying it though.

[dense violet]

eh, at least go with mk6s, get teh 1200 going so it's roughly even

[sullen gull]

But .. But, Pipes can look goood 😛 #screenshots message

[versed mesa]

👋

[gray jungle]

My computer is being hella annoying by not saving screenshots to my clipboard right. Just keeps replacing them with the new ones.

[gray jungle]

Like I said, I'm using the 4 nodes for steel production.

1 node for 4 coal engines
1 Node for Tractor Fuel
2 nodes for Tractor transfer.

#screenshots message

[versed mesa]

Woah

[lucid temple]

I have finally automated supercomputers and HMF 🎉

Now I can unlock nuclear power and never use it

[versed mesa]

Good job lol

[gray jungle]

Nuclear power seems too convoluted and dangerous to be worth it

[versed mesa]

No idea what you mean lol

[lucid temple]

I only want it because my brother (who is playing same world with me) wants it. I was going to just stick to optimizing oil lol

[dense violet]

it's just a number of small steps. Easy, especially if you use the base recipes

[gray jungle]

After I'm done redoing my main base, I'm redoing steel production

[rigid vessel]

#screenshots message i forgot to send these. is there a better option for me to choose?

[steady mesa]

Anyone know how much this game will be on Xbox? I'm in south Africa so we use ZAR currency

[cunning glade]

With the blender oil stuff almost wish I could wait till then too make rubber and plastic it's so much better

[lyric basalt]

About 695.00 or $40 usd if it sticks to same price point as PC

[bitter sparrow]

3 more days. Been waiting a while. This would be my third time buying it. I haven’t played the game in almost a year. Moved onto console gaming

Can’t wait. Was so addicted to the game a few years ago

[wicked karma]

Guys I'm stuck. My monorail is not loading/unloading materials. Could use some help.

[silk ocean]

Set platforms to unload ?

[bronze atlas]

does the train arrive at the station properly?

If so, are the platforms set properly to load and unload as they are supposed to be?

Finally, are the loading/unloading platforms either full to load, or have enough free space to unload the contents of the train

[silk ocean]

and added the stations to the train's schedule ?

[steady mesa]

Thanks

[bitter sparrow]

That’s so cool. When did they add this

[silk ocean]

Years ago xD

U7 ?

[bitter sparrow]

I haven’t played in like 2 years

lol. Buying the PS5 version in a few days

[silk ocean]

You can mouse-over each station in the schedule, there is a cog button where you can specify rules in more detail, wait times, material whitelist, etc

[wicked karma]

Yes, did everything but still it's not loading and unloading on the freight cart. Even added it to the train's schedule. Btw I wanna transport rubber.

[bronze atlas]

what happens when the train stops at the station? does it just sit for a few seconds then leave?

[wicked karma]

Yup

[silk ocean]

Loads or Unloads depending

Overhead cranes either lift the crates onto the cars, or vice versa

Takes about 30 seconds give or take

[wicked karma]

They don't. Overhead cranes are not working somehow.

[silk ocean]

Post some screenshots

[bronze atlas]

the train does run abck and forth between destinations? so it has power?

[silk ocean]

Yes

[wicked karma]

Ohhh. So should I set the wait time to >30s for it to work? RN it's just 15s

[silk ocean]

No don't have to, it's automatic

[wicked karma]

Yes. My rails are in a loop.

[bronze atlas]

no i dont think thats necessary, most of my trains have 0 wait time

[wicked karma]

Gonna try making a bi-directional train and closing the loop.

[bronze atlas]

can you post some screenshots so we can troubleshoot easier? the config windows of the freight stations, and the train settings?

[wicked karma]

Sure. Give me some time.

[silk ocean]

Sounds like In Time with Justin Timberlake and Amanda Seyfried xD

[terse bone]

Global Illumination Question. I'm trying to design a simple building using some signs as lighting. I've got global illumination turned on (also tried off).
When I place a sign and set it to glow a colour I can see it lighting up the surrounding area. If I hide the sign so I can't actually see it, the sign no longer gives off any light. It's like a screen space reflection light source in which it only works if your looking directly at it.
I have watched some tutorial videos on how to use signs as lights and it doesn't behave this way in the videos.

[bronze atlas]

everything ive seen says if the sign isnt visible it doesnt get rendered, so not sure

[silk ocean]

Global illumination computes light bouncing off surfaces, if the sign is hidden sounds like it's functioning as intended?

[terse bone]

no the light doesn't appear to be illuminating anything without being in direct line of sight

can i post a screen shot in here? ill try and show what I mean

[silk ocean]

So it has LOS with other objects?

[bronze atlas]

youd have to post it in the screenshots channel

[terse bone]

ok ill do that. ill wait till its night so it shows the effect better

[urban bobcat]

can someone explain to me how fluip and pipeline works...

I dont understand.

[silk ocean]

Google the FICSIT Plumbing Manual

[terse bone]

ok ive posted the screen shots. its daytime but you can see the effect anyway

[silk ocean]

That sounds exactly how it's supposed to work

[terse bone]

a light should still be emitting and illuminating the surroundings though right?

[bronze atlas]

yeah thats how its supposed to work from what ive learned. Signs are not MEANT to be lights they are meant to be signs.

no, if they are not visible they do not do that because it saves computing/rendering power and optimizes the code of the game

[terse bone]

posted another pic from the video I was watching

[bronze atlas]

its possible the videos you saw are from an older version of the game where they didnt optimize that rendering detail

ive read there are settings you can tweak to improve the lighting but i don't know what they are off the top of my head.

[dim cradle]

these radar towers really help with sloop location triangulation

Can sort of logic out where they have to be based on remaining counts and radius

[frail sleet]

franz here playing sloop minesweeper

[dim cradle]

Only 7 of them left lol. I know where 2 are because I marked them on the map. They're in uranium so it'd take me a few lives to get them

but yeah it's basically sloopsweeper

[urban bobcat]

kk thx

[silk ocean]

It explains some useful stuff - when you get into alumina where you have to recycle biproducts, quite useful info there too

[reef basin]

Hazmat suit? 🙂

[dim cradle]

Don't have that yet. I have a the phase 3 stuff done but have just not turned it in yet.

[silk ocean]

Don't forget the two types of filter and the mask and they you basically don't care about poison or radiation anymore XD

[sly oriole]

Hello, im pretty bored at the moment, does anyone wanna play Satisfactory with me?

[silk ocean]

#1201555265942724758

[rustic quest]

Finally have the jetpack again and this time I built liquid biofuel production first thing after unlocking it

[silk ocean]

I'm a sucker for rocket fuel in the jetpack, just love the powah

[past axle]

Do we have a release time for console edition on the 4th yet?

[silk ocean]

1300 UTC I believe

[past axle]

I’m very excited tho a bit disappointed it won’t be midnight lol I really wanted to play for 48 hours straight

[silk ocean]

Go to sleep and play from 1300 xD

[past axle]

I have to work the morning of the 6th

I’ll definitely get in a nice 36 hours though

[rustic quest]

It's certainly zippy but I prefer longer flight time, the next step is ionized fuel where you get the best of both

[silk ocean]

Yea ionized is the way to go ultimately

I don't build with the jetpack, I basically only use it when hypercannoning, and sometimes for convenience away from base getting up cliffs, etc

The specific impulse of rocket fuel isn't particularly restrictive I find

[shy mulch]

First time I used IF in jetpack it caught me off guard, I was so used to RF. It has noticeably more vertical acceleration

[silk ocean]

I need to get into the IF game... perhaps that's my next project

[rich wing]

Can't wait for the console release so I have a decent playing experience on steam deck

[silk ocean]

Huh xD

[leaden turret]

why would you need to wait for that? console release is going to be 1.1 and... 1.1 is out.

just switch to experimental branch.

steam deck is not a console.

it's a linux pc with a touchscreen

[silk ocean]

Yea what does the steam deck have to do with the consoles? xD

[rich wing]

Eh I didn't bother because the controls were all kinds of confusing

[leaden turret]

1.1 came with controller support

console release isn't going to add a different kind of controller support to PC

[rich wing]

Optimisation

[leaden turret]

just switch to experimental branch

[silk ocean]

I don't see how that is specifically related to consoles either

[rich wing]

Right i might try that tomorrow

[rich wing]

Consoles generally have lower specs than the average PC

[silk ocean]

Well aware of that

[leaden turret]

see previous "steam deck not a console"

[rich wing]

I have played on PC and im just used to the kb+m method

[rich wing]

I am aware

[silk ocean]

Oh yeah I can't imagine playing any game on a controller tbh

[solar narwhal]

for some people that's the only option

[rich wing]

Honestly I might just get a USB hub and connect my kb+m to that

[silk ocean]

You can supposedly plug a K+M into a console

[solar narwhal]

depends on if the game supports it

i dont recall coffee stain announcing k+m support on consoles

[rich wing]

I've seen it done but it's a pain in the butt because if the controller disconnects your keyboard stops working

[leaden turret]

not on launch, but also not relevant to the steamdeck

[shy mulch]

Just focus on building a dedicated power shard factory, wherever seems suitable, then you're good to go. Send the shards off on whatever your preferred transport method is to wherever your rocket fuel is, and it's very basic from there

[silk ocean]

Already got the power shard factory so yea I'll just train them over to rocket city

[shy mulch]

Perfect, easy peasy

[silk ocean]

Yah xD

[solar narwhal]

steamdeck is just a pc, they also didn't announce native linux binaries i think

[shy mulch]

I went kinda overboard on the shards

[leaden turret]

don't need them with the steamdeck

[rich wing]

No it's runs via proton

[solar narwhal]

i know

but performance is always better with native binaries

[silk ocean]

PS5 Pro seems to be around 700 quid and I just specced a gaming PC for my brother-in-law with a 16GB RTX 5060Ti for 800 quid. Are consoles becoming even worthwhile anymore when PC games can be cheaper/steam sales?

[solar narwhal]

unreal engine is still mostly optimized for DX12

[dim cradle]

Dunno if I'd use a 5060 Ti tho tbh

[solar narwhal]

vulkan is experimental even on the latest ue version

[silk ocean]

Another 50 quid for a 5070

[dim cradle]

that's quite worth it

iirc

[silk ocean]

Probably although it has 12GB instead of 16GB on the 5060Ti

[solar narwhal]

12 gb is more than enough on a 5060

[silk ocean]

Also probably but it should really have 16 imo

[shy mulch]

Maybe I'm just old, but it baffles me that people focus so much on the graphics running perfectly. I've got a 4070 and 16gigs and satisfactory runs great on all max settings until I get very big factories, then I just dial things down a little and it's fine. Why would I spend 2x for no real benefit

[solar narwhal]

i have a 3080 and get 100+fps with all settings maxed out

with dlss set to performance

[dim cradle]

The only place that would matter is 4k res usually, and even at 4k the average performance of a 5070 is like 38% higher than a 5060 Ti

They priced the 5060 Ti pretty weird tbh

[silk ocean]

It was just an example spec for him to get an idea, I'd almost certainly build with a 5070

[solar narwhal]

i think they are on UE5.3 right now, if they upgrade to 5.6 we will see almost 2x performance gains

[versed mesa]

Good morning all

[shy mulch]

I couldn't tell you what any of my settings are. I just put everything maxed out when I first installed the game about a year ago and left it. Only thing I touch is when I play my main save (600k+ objects) I put the draw distance down a notch because it sometimes lags a bit when I'm hypertube cannon launching myself across the map

I don't even know what my resolution is, whatever the default is probably 😂 what's a normal resolution for a 34" monitor?

[silk ocean]

Could be anything

[solar narwhal]

4k

[shy mulch]

Probably that then

[solar narwhal]

its really easy to check lol

[silk ocean]

Probably 4K but not inconceivable it's 1440p

[shy mulch]

Not right now it isn't, because I'm in a different room to my pc 😛

Unless I grow really long arms and my eyeballs learn to stretch round corners

[versed mesa]

I play on my 4k 50inch tv

[silk ocean]

I mix it up a bit, some games on the lower 1440p panel, some games on the upper ultrawide

[versed mesa]

But its using Rog Ally graphics Res

[solar narwhal]

i have a 43" 4k monitor

[versed mesa]

👌

[silk ocean]

I'm just waiting for the day that my 3 1440p monitors start to has LED death... they must have done at least 40k hours now and I think they are rated for 50k... only a matter of time before i am tearing them down and replacing LED stips... "yay"

[solar narwhal]

shouldnt be a problem unless you have a OLED monitor

[silk ocean]

Not OLED no, wouldn't have LED strips if they are OLED xD

These are IPS

Nothing wrong with them, 144Hz panels, still perfectly nice.. I know it's going to really annoy me when the LED backlighting starts to die. Most people would end up e-wasting a perfectly good panel

[solar narwhal]

yeah the only problem with these monitors is HDR

[silk ocean]

These don't have HDR but I tend to disable that anyway.. Top ultrawide has it but disabled too XD

[solar narwhal]

mine is hdr but blacks are not true blacks

you can only get true black with oled

[silk ocean]

Blacks on these IPS panels are pretty good but you only get true pure blacks on OLED generally speaking

Yep

[solar narwhal]

lets just take a moment of silence to admire satisfactory's performance considering the fact that's it's a UE5 game with Lumen

[silk ocean]

It performs remarkably well these days, got a huge fac now and it still runs on rails

[rich wing]

Wait its UE5?

[solar narwhal]

yup

[silk ocean]

Yep

[rich wing]

Idk that

[solar narwhal]

since update 8 i think

[rich wing]

Thats actually insane performance wise

[solar narwhal]

its probably the most optimized ue5 game ever

[rich wing]

I used to play on a acer predator that had a 1050 but it died

[silk ocean]

I'm assuming a load of models have been converted to nanite, not sure if all, or much about it, only guessing

[solar narwhal]

and its ue5.3, a lot of performance fixes were implemented in ue5.5

[rich wing]

Damn that's pretty good

[solar narwhal]

its insane

[rich wing]

Also the new hitbox loading system is a godsend

[solar narwhal]

when i upgraded my game from 5.4 to 5.4 i saw almost 2x performance gains

to 5.5*

5.6 gave me 30% perfomance gains and 5.7 another 10-20%

[silk ocean]

afk for supermarket.. silly sundays why open at 11am XD

[patent aspen]

Console version still releasing on the 4th?
Really curious how its gonna run on them

[solar narwhal]

i think they said its gonna run at 30 fps

im just surprised its coming to consoles at all

considering the fact that the UI was built for m+k

[sterile blade]

Yeah, well, now that they removed Lumen from signs it does go pretty fast... But damn, Lumen for sign was glorious

[patent aspen]

I remember it getting announced a while ago then never heard anything about it.
Might be something i’d look at picking up to play with more casual friends

Crazier games have went on console, I never thought Stellaris would fit a controller

[solar narwhal]

yeah that's just an issue of UE5.3 if they upgrade to 5.6 they will have major performance gains

they will be able to enable hardware ray tracing

even on consoles

theoretically

that witcher 4 tech demo is the real deal

[sterile blade]

I don't think it's an engine problem. AFAIK, they just removed that feature because:

1. Allowed people to "break FPS" too easily (just add tons of signs)
2. They've always shown to be against "small lights", and Lumen signs are definetly used as such (which is amazing, but brings us back to (1) and might be against "game vision")

[solar narwhal]

i think they are faking lighting in a bunch of stuff, like street lights

[sterile blade]

By "small lights" I'm referring to anything people suggested to have more lighting options

[solar narwhal]

if you're talking about emissive lights that's just built in Lumen

and very noisy

[sterile blade]

Whatever you call when something actually projects lights and shadows, ie "it lights up the place"

[solar narwhal]

yeah that can be two different things, emissive lights from materials or actual light entities

emissive lights from materials can only work with lumen and are generally really noisy

[sterile blade]

Noise can be plenty acceptable (one can work with it). But the results were just in a different league compared to the current signs (ofc)
#screenshots message

[solar narwhal]

ue5.5 introduced Megalights which basically enables you to have unlimited light entities without performance drops

https://portal.productboard.com/epicgames/1-unreal-engine-public-roadmap/c/1265-megalights-experimental-

and they also made major changes to the denoiser

the thing is upgrading from 5.x to 5.5 requires a lot of work, it breaks a lot of things on the rendering side

[sterile blade]

Even if the current engine doesn't work great with Lumen signs, I think it'd be worth having an option for it in the settings. At user's risk: murder your FPS but get amazing screenshots/recordings

Especially after they already let us taste the power of Lumen signs before taking it away

[solar narwhal]

the reason Lumen is experimental in satisfactory is because its basically experimental in the UE version they are using

[grim ridge]

Hey y'all, does anyone know how many the PS5 version of the game will cost ? roughly

[solar narwhal]

its still not production ready in the upcoming 5.7 release IMO

[ornate saffron]

the general consenus is 39.99usd same as stea m

[grim ridge]

Ah perfect, that's reasonable. Thanks !

[leaden turret]

June 17th, 2025 Livestream
Q&A: What will the price be on Console?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2RHu7_oCHY

I don't know but I would be shocked if it is more expensive

[hoary galleon]

Whenever I quit my partners multi game, it crashes her game.

[sterile blade]

Good enough to make glorious recordings, really 🤷‍♂️
Which is why I think they should've left it as an option rather than unilaterally disabling it for (most) signs

[hoary galleon]

Can't figure out why.

[sterile blade]

Post crash logs in #1038092680493801533

[hoary galleon]

She's just been submitting the UE crash logs.

When the crash handler comes up

[sterile blade]

That will not get you any direct answer/help (at most, a future patch might fix your specific issue someday) ^^

[sterile blade]

The logs should still be saved on your PCs BTW

[dim cradle]

Well that's all of them. Found every sloop without referencing anything.

Still can't get the uranium ones though just know where they are lol

[sterile blade]

Come on, you just need lots of patience, healing and exercising quick trashing of items in inventory

If you're quick, you might be able to mine a couple times before trashing! :O

[dim cradle]

Gonna be honest I think this game would just straight up be more enjoyable without spiders in it...

I can do about 2 mines of it and then ditch

but throwing out of the inventory is slow

[sterile blade]

Yes, I was being sarcastic 😅

[dim cradle]

Not sure why we don't have a "just ditch it as you grab it" mode

[sterile blade]

Because that would make the issue you're now facing moot :P (ie: you need hazmat suit to handle Uranium, or just tons of manual labor)

[dim cradle]

I guess it would be rather specific though

[silk ocean]

Don't know the details but I assume as it's still 5.x an upgrade would be "relatively" straight forward?

Not a video game developer xD

[dim cradle]

Although the new hogs they put in the game are pretty annoying too

Esp that radioactive one, lol it's so radioactive aura goes further than any radioactive rock or anything

[silk rose]

i think the game with lumen is as heavy as cyberpunk

[silk rose]

only way to annoy lategame players with rifles

[dim cradle]

Lol def not a lategame player with a rifle, been using the early bombs all game

[ornate saffron]

same Nobs and xeno basher for 148 hours

[dim cradle]

didn't you say you set them to passive anyway tho

or was that someone else?

[ornate saffron]

this playthorugh ya, i have a sick cat. he is laying on my keyboard as we speakj

[ornate saffron]

i pics of my cat are adorable but there is no where to post. even sick he is adorable

[hard ivy]

#off-topic-media

[dim cradle]

I suppose the internet itself was built upon the foundation of cat pics

It is a pretty cute cat yes. Sad that it feels that bad though.

[ornate saffron]

Part of it is that he is just old. Ive known him for 8 years but he is around 17... that is a estimation based on the vet.

when i got him he was 30 pounds and when he was a kitten had some sort of severe Hip injury and coudnt jump. he has to do chin up to get on the couch. he over all is much better now.

but back to satisfactory

I'm rebuilding my power plant train station.... I kind of built the original on in a poor location. During Previous playthroughs. i didn't use much of a train system mostly single line push pull. This playthrough is about getting better at core systems so I am building a train line the cute the map into quarters and goes around the whole map

[spare oak]

can anyone help me out with some graphic bugs ?

[ornate saffron]

#1038092680493801533

is your best bet

[spare oak]

lets see

[dim cradle]

Is there any healing item that can be made without having to pick up random berries or shrooms

[ornate saffron]

think there is a protien one

[dim cradle]

Still requires nuts

[ornate saffron]

sad day. Get to picking berries lol

[silk ocean]

Yea I wish health packs could be automated

Need a farming machine xD

[hard ivy]

yeah, especially because of sloops

[silk ocean]

Even better

[rustic badge]

quick questions, for rocket fuel the 4,17 on the wiki is 4,1666...?
so 3 fuel gen use 12,5

[hard ivy]

it's 4.1(6). so yeah, 3 gens use 12.5

[rustic badge]

thanks

[ornate saffron]

I believe if you want nice numbers you can overclock the gens to 240% and they use 10

[near frost]

which is better for Global Illumination?
Dark
Moody Dark
Moody Bright
Bright

[hard ivy]

whichever looks best to you

[ornate saffron]

its personal preference but i like moody bright

[hard ivy]

I don't use GI at all, because even in bright, it's darker than off

[near frost]

that is what i have rn

[near frost]

looks good tho

[hard ivy]

it does, but I like being able to see without the flashlight

[ornate saffron]

Global makes night time building ROUGHHHH

[near frost]

very good

[near frost]

tbh with the flashlight i still canst see in both

[near frost]

i hate night i use sky ui

[ornate saffron]

i love the sky at night, esp with global on

[near frost]

dang this better then irl

[near frost]

ya but playing at night is so annyoying

mabey when i go exploring i will but for now no night

[spark ruin]

culling off small emissives has got to be CSS's biggest mistake ever

on the tech side

[spark ruin]

gives you pretty much no performance and makes lumen pretty much worthless

[near frost]

isnt there a way to fix it in the consle?

[spark ruin]

• it doesnt use VSM, instead using CSM that gets drawn 5 meters from the camera then shifts to DFS
• it uses nanite very sparingly
• lumen is secondary to the main coloured fog + colour grading "lighting" system

[spark ruin]

yes, but thats not the way it is vanilla, and as i said you loose pretty much zero performance doing that, so its baffiling they dont do it vanilla

[near frost]

i dont care if its not vanilla tbh but i care if my game looks gud

[spark ruin]

they all look the same : D

[near frost]

meh a bit diffrent

[spark ruin]

the big problem with lumen is that its super noisy, its diet coke "RT" looks nice in screenshots but when you move and look closer it sucks
and it is super expensive to top it all off
i whish more games would ship proper HW RT, as it is significantly better than SW lumen from what ive seen (especially on reflections)

[random berry]

Do mercer spheres respawn?

[hard ivy]

there's nearly 300 to be found tho

more than enough

[ivory condor]

indeed, even cinematic lumen has alot of noise and is insane levels of expensive

[spark ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-kermit-nod-nodding-gif-24624072

[zenith fractal]

no

limited resource, like somersloops

[spark ruin]

yeah... much rather have proper HW RT than this..

[dim cradle]

It was tough to find some of the sloops. Mercers are everywhere, though for some reason they chose to put some of them in places that are tough to find, too.

[silk ocean]

In a game that isn't space constrained ultimately sloops aren't really needed, just a quality of life thing

Mercers on the other hand and the dimensional depot is kinda essential XD

[dim cradle]

I'm trying to see how much energy I'll have with full sloop generators and nothing but geothermal...

I have some coal plants still left over but with 9 sloop gens and geo it's about 26GW

[silk ocean]

Which is basically nothing for a large fac

[dim cradle]

Just need to go mine out those 2 last sloops in Uranium

[silk ocean]

Geothermal is a waste of time, and definitely a waste of sloops imo XD

(not that you can sloop the geothermal stuff anyway)

Certainly anything related to it, bleh just avoid geothermal entirely 😄

[ornate saffron]

its not a waste iuf FRanz is getting enjoyment out of it

[silk ocean]

Sure, if you're enjoying it carry on

[random berry]

will they release a patch with improved controller support any time soon for PC?

[ornate saffron]

i imagine on Nov 4th with consol release

[random berry]

really hope they will improve controller support on pc at the same time when they realease the game on console in a few days

currently the game plays amazing on pc with controller, but some things just do not work like join the dedicated server with the controller does not work

[whole drum]

I've been seeing videos going around about how log cabins and medieval homes had better heat management and insulation than cheap modern homes--they could heat a home for 1-2 days with just 20m of a small fire, while our homes have to keep AC/Heater on 24/7 because they just leak worse than the FBI.

So I've changed my position on global warming. I no longer think it has anything to do with greenhouse gases. It's a direct warming of the planet by all this housing constantly running their heaters. It's a conspiracy between Big Utilities and Big Housing Development.

[ornate saffron]

i think this is for #off-topic-general

[random berry]

lol i'm like what?

[whole drum]

You're probably right. We just don't have a way to share funny memes, so it has to be text. 🙁

No fun allowed in Satisfactory.

Anyway... back to work, comrade.

[random berry]

satisfactory is actually fun. what you wrote about heating is probably interesting, but this channel is for discussing the game. i'm sure you can discuss the heating topic in other channels like ⁠@ornate saffron mentioned above

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/556448894993563659

[whole drum]

Dude doesn't understand jokes... smdh

[ornate saffron]

none satisfactory meme can go in #off-topic-general and images of memes can go in #off-topic-media thats all we are saying you can continue your fun there ^_^

[whole drum]

As I said. No fun allowed. You people ruin everything.

[random berry]

if I wanted to talk about heating now vs then I would find the appropriate channel to discuss this.

[shy mulch]

Strange take. There's plenty fun allowed, and plenty places for it. You're just being asked to stay on topic in a channel that's specifically for one topic

[whole drum]

Not worth explaining if you don't already get it

[shy mulch]

I don't think anyone but you understands where the joke is

[whole drum]

The joke was that one post. The issue is this over-separation of things to the point that it doesn't align with how people normally converse and enjoy conversation.

[random berry]

now you are upset that we don't want to discuss off-topic stuff here. you shouldn't be. instead you should understand that we just want to stay on topic here. thats all

[whole drum]

It ruins everything--these people are awful

[shy mulch]

Seems to just be on essay about heating and conspiracies. Completely fine to talk about that in #off-topic-general that's literally what that channel is for

[whole drum]

It wasn't an "essay" or "discussion." Was a simple joke.

[shy mulch]

Is the joke in the room with us now?

[slender hatch]

Bros, I made my first junction, and my lord I spent 3 hours on it AND PUT THE SIGNALS IN THE WRONG DIRECTIONS

[ornate saffron]

im signal fioghting right noe lol

[slender hatch]

God I hate being a noob

[shy mulch]

Let's all join a car tuning forum and post about making curved rail pieces in satisfactory and tell them they don't get the joke when they complain that we're off topic

[zenith pecan]

Sounds like what I did with plumbing, put a critical pump in backwards, cue the inevitable system failure 😄

[random berry]

@slender hatchyou mean the arrow signal signs? you can change them by interracting with them. But they don't really matter anyway

[whole drum]

It's not just you, man. A lot of people do that at first because the stuff around trains isn't signaled to the player very well in the UI until you get used to it.

[slender hatch]

Thoes and my block signals are all messed up

[shy mulch]

You'll get used to it, good learning experience

[slender hatch]

Litterally watching totaleclips train video rn

Cause I am just dumbfounded. I tried on my own first and now really need a how to work these things

[whole drum]

His videos are excellent

[ornate saffron]

I watched the same video it took me to realize you cant really dip your toe into signals you gotta signal all of your tracks or none of them to work properly./.... At leaesdt thats my noob viewpoint

[slender hatch]

Well like I have said befor im pretty much going in blind. And staying away from videos till I try and fail, this is the first one I have needed

[ivory condor]

also UE5 supports proper RT from what I understand but isn't part of the game for whatever reason still

[sage quail]

less than 48 hours till satisfactory releases

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-yay-screaming-shouting-excited-gif-16344421

[ornate saffron]

Lumen is well supported Across AMD, Nvidia and Intel. RT is not

[spark ruin]

UE5 has UE4 HW RT bits (deprecated however)
it also has a HW RT mode for Lumen which might as well be proper HW RT AFAIK

Satisfactory just has both those permanently forced off, you cant do anything to get them back

[peak wasp]

for aluminia ingot i discovery the altered recipe, is good?

because no silica sound good but not reach to udnerstand if is a hallucination or not XD

[spark ruin]

all GPU hardware vendors support HW RT

[dense violet]

there's lots of recipes that do odd things

[ornate saffron]

I said well Supported.

[silk ocean]

Not sure if RT is really a prio for Satis?

[ornate saffron]

use the recipe that you think best suits your current setup based on resources and what you like

[whole drum]

Probably too much work for too little benefit

[whole drum]

Do you mean the Sloppy Alumina Solution?

[spark ruin]

current gen all HW vendors have basically the same RT perf (outside of Nvidias PT SDK)

[peak wasp]

no pure aluminium ingot

[peak wasp]

yup i do ever in this way but i need to understand the best performance of recipe ^^"

[whole drum]

I think it just saves you from needing to add copper, iirc

[ornate saffron]

are you looking for maximum output? minimal input?

ease of logistics?

[spark ruin]

it is however true that older AMD cards (and Nvidia and intel) kind of su'cked at RT
either way i dont think the fact that a bunch of people not having the greatest RT HW should mean that everyone should be stuck on poor, noisy SW lumen

[ivory condor]

according to google you "Search for "ray tracing" in the project settings and enable "Support Hardware Ray Tracing" and other related options like "Ray Tracing Shadows".", doesn't sound like alot of work

its simply settings you enable in the project from what I can read here

[peak wasp]

i not discovery the silica recipe who use water, then i have problem to produce 25/min/units of silica i need to standard aluminium ingot

[peak wasp]

aluminium ingot need silica no copper ^^"

[spark ruin]

you do need to put in some effort if you wanna make it look and run as good as it can
but simply enabling isnt much work in UE5

[dense violet]

depends what you want to do
I think most people choose the silica free ingot recipe because it's a lot simpler and not much less bauxite

[whole drum]

I thought he was saying the game itself didn't support it and was asking why the devs didn't implement

[peak wasp]

oky , yes my idea is same, remove silica in the production step is best but halfed the production output

[dense violet]

it's not halved

[whole drum]

Yeah, I just checked and I was thinking of the next step in the process. The ingots themselves want silica.

[ivory condor]

surely though it wouldn't run worse than lumen though, or would it somehow, surely not as it would run on HW for the RT

[dense violet]

goes from 66% output to 50% output

[ivory condor]

then again I don't know alot about the finer details so maybe somehow performance wise it might be worse than lumen despite running on HW

[spark ruin]

the devs forced off HW lumen, cant do anything to enable it in this game, however AFAIK they had a good reason
apparantly having more than X amount of objects in a scene or world cripples HW lumen..

[peak wasp]

wyup

[spark ruin]

HW lumen isnt just HW accelratd lumen, it looks better but also runs worse

[peak wasp]

thanks

[spark ruin]

and SW lumen isnt even RT...
its fancy probe lighting

[ivory condor]

well all I know is I don't like so don't have it enabled🙂

[spark ruin]

in MGS D i lost about 12% performance from it VS SW lumen
(in that same game a 5090 lost 9% perf from it)

[ivory condor]

its pretty for screenshots but all of the noise I find more distracting if anything else

trying to focus on building factories and just seeing all of the lighting noise everywhere, maybe if I could somehow reduce the noise it would be so bad, but atm the amount of noise is a bit much

[lament meadow]

okay am I crazy or do drones sometimes just do their own thing

like, this one drone refuses to go to the port it's supposed to go to

[shrewd palm]

they wont go if their inventory is full

[lament meadow]

it just keeps going back and forth between its port and the wrong destination

[shrewd palm]

and also if one of the ports is out of action for some reason

[shrewd palm]

should be able to change that in its port

[lament meadow]

yeah, it's just literally going to the wrong one lol

[shrewd palm]

or the port that its going to that it shouldnt be

[lament meadow]

yeah idk I thought I was going nuts at first but it really is just ignoring what it says it should be going to and going to the wrong port

[viscid bobcat]

someone motivate me to play satisfactory

please im demotivated I have so much to build

[lament meadow]

I have a port named↑1-HSC which is a pick-up for high-speed connectors, a port named a port named ↓1-HSC, which is the first drop-off location, which leads to a refueling station named >-HSC — it should be >-HSC → ↑1-HSC → ↓1-HSC → >-HSC but instead it's just going >-HSC → ↑1-HSC → >-HSC and I don't get why

[frail sleet]

The entirety of human power consumption would warm the globe by ~0.1 - 0.2c

it's basically irrelevant compared to the 2-5c expected from greenhouse gasses, because the sun is so much more powerful than everything else

[whole drum]

I wasn't being serious, lol

[frail sleet]

ah hard to tell with some peeps

[whole drum]

All good

[hollow matrix]

Satisfactory

[lament meadow]

I'm gonna lose it </3

Why does this drone hate me so much

[silk ocean]

@shy mulch Yep Ionized Fuel is good xD

Shoulda made it ages ago

[zenith pecan]

I never went with ionised.

[silk ocean]

I had all the mats just never bothered to set it up xD

[zenith pecan]

I have a slightly oversized rocket fuel power station that I doubt I'll ever be able to fully utilise.

[shy mulch]

It's worth it for everything except power

[zenith pecan]

My power station does have useful byproducts too 😄 , 4800 steel ingots due to the compact coal I never planned for, and 240 rubber/plastic from the waste resin 🙂

[shy mulch]

I'm making 140/min ionized fuel which is mostly eaten by drones, and the overflow goes into DD for me to use in jetpack

[shy mulch]

My byproduct compacted coal from my rocket fuel factory gets made into turbofuel which gets made into diamonds

[zenith pecan]

My diamonds are made elsewhere, overflowing coke gets converted after the bauxite refinery has had its bite.

[shy mulch]

I ended up needing so many diamonds, I'm making them all over the place using all the alts 🤦

[ornate saffron]

same..... i have a feeling ill need more though so imma go nuclear when im down to 20gw left

[zenith pecan]

I think my pc would melt before I get down to 20gw.

[shy mulch]

I'd love to figure out a way to use all my power 🤓

Pretty sure I'll never run out

[shy mulch]

If you spread your production all over the world, your pc doesn't need to render it all at once, allows you scope to build more

[zenith pecan]

Still not going to be easy consuming more than a terrawatt.

[shy mulch]

I agree. You using close to that now?

[ivory condor]

Probably run out of frame rate first😆

[shy mulch]

That's one of the reasons I spread everything out a lot

[ivory condor]

good idea, most people that try to make a mega factory realize sooner or later it isn't exactly the best idea

I always thought a mega factory was a cool idea, but most pcs won't really survive that, even now I think the best hardware would struggle alot to have anything playable

[shy mulch]

I did a kinda hybrid setup. I take all the ore to a massive smelting plant, then send the ingots around to sattelite factories where I produce fairly basic parts, like 2-3 stages of machines, where no more than 2-3 types of input materials are needed. Then I bring those parts all together into a central factory where the endgame parts are produced and all overflow is sent to DD then sink. Not the most efficient but it means I've got a good excuse to have loads of trains everywhere

[ivory condor]

Thats actually a really good idea, as long as your spreading production across your world, one area at least won't become unplayable

[shy mulch]

Yep exactly. It works well for me. But won't suit everyone

[ivory condor]

Thats more or line the general advise for world building, you can't go wrong with how you want to spread out production, as long as not to much is done in one area

I never really considered the idea of having one factory do all ore processing myself but its a good idea definitely either way

[shy mulch]

Yeah I just load all ore onto trains and have a huge array of stations over the water so I can use pure alts, then send the ingots off to wherever

Still got so much power spare tho, so I've started being wasteful with it just cos why not

[ivory condor]

I do like that idea

[peak wasp]

but hard drive reward is capped based on phase of elevator ? D:

[hard ivy]

no, it's based on Milestone and MAM unlocks

[proven trellis]

can anyone help or answer my question in question and help

its the top one

[peak wasp]

ahh ok thanks

[silk ocean]

You kinda need to post the whole log not just the top part

[proven trellis]

it has a slider so that will be hard but i can post 2 photos herre super quick or there

[proven trellis]

there

[silk ocean]

I dont think it really reveals what's wrong as far as I can tell

Maybe someone else knows, see what happens

[proven trellis]

each time i try to make a new save or load a save it loads for a few seconds then crashes

[silk ocean]

There are various posts if you google satisfactory access violation, might give you some hints

[violet needle]

why dont we make temporary buildings

theyd last forever

[white grotto]

whats the best starting area?

[errant lily]

probably the dune desert

lots of good resources to have a beginner factory

[errant lily]

.

[ornate saffron]

Depends on preference. The grasslands is solid for beginners. Experienced players love the dunes

[zenith pecan]

The dunes is definitely my preferred start.

[ornate saffron]

I like the Highlands personally. Lots of pure nodes oil, coal, sulfur, and Caterium are all near

[cunning siren]

I would not do Grass Fields, I would start out in Rocky

[mellow spruce]

Is this game realistic so do i need Building permit like in germany?😅

[cunning siren]

For a noob I mean

[zenith pecan]

Naa, build all the illegal and rickety structures you want at any angle/time.

[lone adder]

how it genuinely felt to build my first ever miner to ingot assembly line

[minor palm]

Dunes my beloved

[tough trellis]

hey guys how do I get a hyper tube to point up?

so I can launch myself

[hard ivy]

angle the support

[tough trellis]

how do I do that? Even when I place it on a ramp it just stays upright

[hard ivy]

scroll wheel

[tough trellis]

that just rotates it

its still upright

[tulip tide]

Build a vertical wall, support, or bar, then attach the hypertube to that?

[hard ivy]

rotate it how you want it, press once, rotate it again, the second time rotates just the top

[primal obsidian]

TERAWATT???? im only at 600 MW

[tough trellis]

aaaaah ty

[cosmic pawn]

When do i get access to roads so i don't have to construct the wacky paths

[fiery pewter]

Roads?

There are no roads

[tulip tide]

They're called 'foundations' and they can be both factory floors and roads for vehicles. There's alternate materials in the awesome shop that let you make the foundations asphalt or concrete, making them look more like roads.

[fiery pewter]

Only the asphalt foundation cosmetic

[cosmic pawn]

Oh

[fiery pewter]

And grab a blueprint maker

[cosmic pawn]

Alr thanks

[fiery pewter]

Make "road" blueprint

Don't worry, I had similar questions in the beginning

[tough trellis]

hmm this doesnt launch me as far as ive seen in videos...

[tulip tide]

There's also various markings in the awesome shop that are sticker-like to put on the 'roads', including arrows and lines

[fiery pewter]

checks profile

-# flashbang

[warm pendant]

holy damn it took me 2hrs to finish making 4/min HMF

[fiery pewter]

Lol

[tough trellis]

I work nights im a little pale 😛

[cunning siren]

I have yet to see a pure node here in Grassy Fields 😭 🤷 work with what is I guess

Gotz some early hard drives though

[fiery pewter]

There are some 'above' the waterfalls

Basically, the top left section of the Grass Fields contain some pure nodes

[fiery pewter]

-# if looked at from the map

[primal obsidian]

is it better to overclock existing coal power plants or just split the belts into 2 to fix the backlog

[cunning siren]

Mah stuff is south of the hole thing

[fiery pewter]

Sucks

[tough trellis]

that entirely depends on how much power you have to spare

[fiery pewter]

Depends, either you have enough power shards or make more generators

[cunning siren]

It's ok for phase 1 🤷

[fiery pewter]

True

[primal obsidian]

nvm i just realized i have like no reinforced iron plates, overclocking it is

[fiery pewter]

Or just a smart splitter into some storage or item sink

Little bit of coal don't matter that much imo :/

[sterile blade]

Wait, I can still get the screenshots/videos with the "old" system? Please, do tell! 🙏

[fiery pewter]

Old system?

Wdym

[sterile blade]

Globall Illumination for all signs, like in U8

[fervent dust]

friends, how do i even utilise the SAM uploader thingy?

[tough trellis]

thats definitely something you should automate asap, youll need loooots of them

[hard ivy]

automate an item, belt it into it, now you have access to that item everywhere

[fiery pewter]

Dimensional Depot?

[tough trellis]

alright so you hook a dimensional depot up to a storage container (put it on top connected by an elevator) and then you can access it from your inventory with the storage being your backlog to refill it

[fervent dust]

OHHHH

i just realised it's a building and not an actual like equipment

i'm sorry 😭

[tough trellis]

ye!

[fervent dust]

does it have unlimited storage?

[tough trellis]

no its ok things get complicated xD But this will be a major upgrade for you

no you can upgrade storage and upload speed in the MAM

it will take mercer spheres so collect as many as you can

[hard ivy]

1-5 stacks, depending on upgrade level. but it refills automatically, if you belt things into it. the speed of the refill is also upgradeable

[fiery pewter]

And every item has a slot

[primal obsidian]

its automated but the ore is coming from an impure node so the assembler is always stopping because theres not enough iron plates

[fervent dust]

lemme seege

one sec

[tough trellis]

well your options are to find another iron node or overclock/upgrade the miner

I was lucky enough to start by 4 iron nodes within 100 meters of each other so I was never hurting for it

[primal obsidian]

im just gonna overclock the whole system

[tough trellis]

Just be sure you dont overdraw your power, after 1 shard it gets dicey

[primal obsidian]

ehh its probably gonna be fine, i mean i have 100 MW to spare surely thats enough

[versed mesa]

Ive now got 10 active Nuclear plants running now and added second Uranium deposit to 1st conveyor for more and will need to increase probably blenders and manufacturers

[rain stag]

anyone who got experience with highways that wanna give some tips, trying out something new so any tips would be nice

[fervent dust]

per dimensional depot, or is it for all depots?

wait

[cunning siren]

MAM just robbed me of mah toolbelt +1! 😡

[jaunty jewel]

reminder that power used is not linear

[hard ivy]

stack limit is per item type, upload speed is per uploader

[versed mesa]

But i need to work on making Uranium waster disappear to create something else with it that am still working out so looks like ill need to set up a bunch of storage units until I figure it out that units I will store underneath the plants rises up from the ground or water

[primal obsidian]

i can build like another coal power plant surely that will solve my problems

[jaunty jewel]

the "depot" is like a really big inventory that you can upload items into, take from and use from (without taking out, eg you can place foundations if you have concrete in depot)

[tough trellis]

if you have access to compacted coal it will be better

[jaunty jewel]

think of each dimensional depot you place as an input for this big inventory

[fervent dust]

mmmmmm, concrete is a good idea!

thanks btw guys!

[versed mesa]

Let's have a chat guys please

With Uranium waste what would yous normally produce with it am assuming its maybe plutonium

[white dawn]

The only thing you can produce with uranium waste is (after a few steps) Plutonium Rods

At that point you can either sink those rods, or burn them for more power (leaving you with Plutonium waste, which has a similar decision to make)

[solemn edge]

If I can only move up to 120 items per minute, does that mean I use that many contructors?

(Or can I go above 120 items(

[white dawn]

Reach recipe tells you how much input it needs, in items per min

[solemn edge]

I know.

[white dawn]

If a recipe takes 30/min input, then you'd be able to hook up 4 machines with that recipe to a 120/min source

[solemn edge]

Im asking if I just add as many constructors that can go before the ipm or can i go a bit over

like I have constructors that would theoretically need 140-160ipm rather than 120

[versed mesa]

Damn so am assuming plutonium Rods needs Uranium waster and before I can make the rods I need to setup other productions just like what I did Uranium fuel Rods

[white dawn]

Oh sure, just the constructors may occasionally go idle; not a problem

[solemn edge]

uhuh, but then how many do I add before it becomes too much?

[fervent dust]

ADA: "Shallow minds? Pretty ripples? I certainly hope that wasn't meant to include me."

ada, you are a pretty ripple with a shallow mind

[white dawn]

Once you research slugs in the MAM, you can also alter the "clock" of machines, so you can tune your machines to the exact amount you have

[versed mesa]

God dam so much waste where does plutonium waste need to go ?

[solemn edge]

I have overclocks already

im already at tier 4

[white dawn]

Either store it or convert it to Ficsonium Rods. :)

[versed mesa]

Yeah ficsonium is what am after as well after plutonium

[pliant gale]

where can i find MAE ore?

[fervent dust]

wouldn't it be cooler if they made a SAM-based accelerator to speed up the radioactive decay of nuclear waste?

[fervent dust]

that's my name!!!!!!!

[white dawn]

Burning Ficsonium doesn't create any more waste. But it is an expensive process, for not much more power

[versed mesa]

@white dawn looks like ive got my hand full for abit with the same factory and Where my Plants are is where ill be adding more for plutonium and ficsonium so one huge power plant

[pliant gale]

what?

[versed mesa]

Thats good screw the waste lol please explain expensive how you meaning with loads of resources needed ?

[fervent dust]

"MAE ore" doesn't exist, and my name is mae.

[pliant gale]

find out its name is SAM and not MAE

[fervent dust]

😭

[pliant gale]

i was playing in my first language

[fervent dust]

i see, sorry

[pliant gale]

so, where can i find it

[fervent dust]

i'm in one of the nodes right now, i'll send you a pic

[versed mesa]

@white dawn am so looking forward to all process needed to take place lol

[peak wasp]

fuel is used only for energy production and tanks for jetpack ?

or in late late game other recipe need it?

[ornate saffron]

fuel can be used for power generation, drones, jet packs and trucks

[peak wasp]

ok perfect

[ornate saffron]

this is for all fuels, Bio, Turbo, rocket, Ionized and normal

[peak wasp]

ok of course.

thanks very much 😄

[dawn tulip]

is it better to make fueld then plastis or is it better to make plastic then fuel

[shrewd palm]

if you dont need the plastic a little excess power never hurts

it doesnt really matter, but wherever you are you'll want to put aside some oil for plastic/rubber and jetpack fuel

and then probably use the rest for fuel generators

[cunning siren]

I forget depots need steel pipe 😆

[plucky flower]

Damn you havent automated it yet?

[peak wasp]

Are there enough Mercer Spheres in the game to make one Dimensional Depot for each finished product and complete the MAM tree??

[shrewd palm]

theres about 300 on the map and you only need about 100 for mam research, so yes

[peak wasp]

oky thanks very much \o/

[shrewd palm]

i think there should be enough to make like 2 depots for each thing

at least

[peak wasp]

\o/

[ornate saffron]

Depends on what you need, and where its needed. I have three power plants atm I am converting to of them to plastics and rubber as my newest powerplant creates 160gw and will be there until the end. The Newest plant is shipping off the byproduct compact coal for steal and the polymer resin is being turned into fabric so i can make a nuclear plant when the time comes

[ornate saffron]

absolutley . I personally rush the mam

[primal obsidian]

which tech tree gives me a better weapon

[shrewd palm]

sulphur has almost all of the weapons

i think the alien megafauna tree also has the rebar gun which is the only weapon you can get early (along with nobelisks)

[obtuse shale]

What date will the Christmas event likely start? Ficmas?

[shrewd palm]

i think it goes on for the whole month of december

[gaunt tulip]

@void gorge - Just posted on the Official Reddit my Satisfactory Q&A Summary from last weeks livestream where you mention that on Tuesday, 4 November 2025 at 2:00 PM CET (1:00 PM UTC/GMT, 8:00 AM US EST) there will be a Console Release Livestream.
👉 View: https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1omml1c/satisfactory_developer_qa_10282025/

❓ Will the Console Release Livestream be on BOTH Twitch and Youtube, or just Twitch?
Curious minds want to know. 🤔

[high lintel]

anyone down to hop on my save and help me organize my world, its good but it could be better, im not too far into the game but i am a good bit into it

[leaden turret]

#1201555265942724758

[high lintel]

put a post in there

[wicked nacelle]

there's a mod to turn it on whenever I think if you just want to play it. Also you can't do most of the stuff in it until well after it starts as it unlocks a little each day. there's only really a couple hours of content

[random ingot]

How many screws is enough screws

[urban bobcat]

how far in are u?

[barren arch]

satisfactory have christmas events?

christmas

nice

[high lintel]

currently working on logistics mk 3

[random ingot]

I can

[high lintel]

and tier two of space elevator

[random ingot]

Tomorrow 6-9 am eet

[random ingot]

What time zone r u in

[high lintel]

est

[random ingot]

So what's your clock time right now

[high lintel]

1:31 pm

[reef basin]

well, as many as you need for the factory you're making

[barren arch]

@high lintel i think i can play with u

but im in the same tier as u

any problem?

[random ingot]

Can someone hop on in 10 hours and help me design a mega factory for 2 hours

I need help

[barren arch]

it will be 1am for me 😭

[high lintel]

no problem at all i would like someone with more experiance but its fine

[sullen gull]

!lfg

[raven axle]

Hello there totally awesome user! You can checkout https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758 and check the pins on how to find folks to play with. <3

[reef basin]

personally I'd recommend to:

• not make a megafactory
• learn things yourself

[abstract heron]

called ficmas

mega factorys take weeks and even months on doing

[urban bobcat]

oooh crap

[urban bobcat]

idk abt helping u organize but if u wouldnt mind if I take a look on how u do things so I can get even more ideas

[random ingot]

Why not tho?

[reef basin]

because it's logistically and performance-wise better to spread factories over multiple location rather than having a single megabase

[abstract heron]

i am doing single biome mega base

where i am making factorys of factorys in DD

[zenith fractal]

megafactories are fun to do

[abstract heron]

but wow they take a ton of time

[zenith fractal]

but it is a massive commitment

[barren arch]

do we get new energy producers on tier 3?

[zenith fractal]

time and power grid wise

[reef basin]

oh I'm not saying "never do them", I'm just recommending to not do them because it's where many people burn out

[abstract heron]

i have not burned out yet

[zenith fractal]

coal

[abstract heron]

i am doing ALL DD ore with Refeinrys and Desert Cayons

[barren arch]

but im already using coal 😭

[zenith fractal]

tier 3 is coal

[abstract heron]

Tier 5 is Oil

[zenith fractal]

do you mean phase 3/

[abstract heron]

then Nuclear tier 8

[barren arch]

oof

[zenith fractal]

if so then yeah phase 3 is petroleum power

[barren arch]

can u check #screenshots

[reef basin]

can you ask questions in channels made to ask questions? 😛

(also, it's up to you how you play the game, don't ask us that)

[barren arch]

ok, sorry

[zenith fractal]

why move your base when you can expand and have 2 bases?

more resources to exploit and more you can build

[abstract heron]

When i am making my factorys of factorys i am leaving my mess for my main items

[barren arch]

its cuz i wont be able to produce more energy where i am

and idk if the energy i have rn will be enough for tier 3

[zenith fractal]

then well expand and make a large power grid network, that's what I would do.

it's your corporate right to exploit every resource node the planet has to offer

find a coal rich place with water nearby and make a large power source

[urban bobcat]

may I? Literally just finished Phase 2

[primal obsidian]

automated modular framesw finally

[reef basin]

you can make power anywhere and just run a power line

[high lintel]

sure

send me a dm

[wary perch]

Tier 6 should be various liquids I could put in the coffee cup

[urban bobcat]

tried doesnt let me so I added u instead

[abstract heron]

Time to do more refeinry building all day

[cunning siren]

I guess building west over the water is one option for the 3x pure iron nodes in Grassy

[sudden thistle]

for the life of me i cant get this pipe to work and its becoming incredibly annoying

nevermind..

[dawn tulip]

aight I think I found visual bug

there is small water pool but can't see water

[warm pendant]

uhh is there any use for verstile frameworks after finishing ph3?

[sudden thistle]

i think so

you need them for other project parts