satisfactory

[hybrid crystal]

I spent some time on this just now, but I've cleared out most of the map pretty well. I did find a couple Mercer Spheres.

[shy mulch]

how many mercer spheres do you have

there's almost 300 to collect

[cunning siren]

Woh the whole map? How many hours on this save?

[hybrid crystal]

Just short of 180 hours right now

[hybrid crystal]

Good question, I don't know. Most of mine are in Dimensional Depot Uploaders. I'll see if I can get a rough total of what's left from my radar towers

[shy mulch]

that's quite fast to even finish the space elevator on a first playthrough, how did you have time to clear out the whole map too?

[fallow stream]

I have a minor problem with bauxite processing. I just noticed it is bottlenecked due to my rafineries needing more than 600 water/min (2x360/min) i have a prio pipe merger for the water outputed (240/min) and water from my pipes (600/min) and then I split it to my two rafineries, my question is, if I keep the outputed water as is (basically just a straight connection) and instead of the pump water merging before the split to my rafineries I split it and merge two ends right before my rafineries (probs with prio mergers?) will it remedy my issue? or will there be some sort of problem with sloshing or something like that?

[shy mulch]

you like a speedrunner or something? you should relax a bit 😛

[shy mulch]

there is no recipe that requires more than 600/min water in a single machine

[fallow stream]

i'm saying 2x360

[cunning siren]

If you load your save into this you can see how much loot you have in total vs. what is possible. You don't have to look at the map part if you don't want extra info. https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[hybrid crystal]

Some of my radar towers overlap, so I'm trying to account for double counting with this estimate, but it looks like I have ~10 hard drives, ~20 Somersloops, and ~50 Mercer Spheres left

[charred sandal]

Is there a way to quickly delete stuff in invo ? Like a hot key

[hybrid crystal]

I'll check that out and see if I can figure out how not to spoil locations for myself, lol

[shy mulch]

taking a bit of time to comprehend what you're asking, the sentence runs on a bit lol
just as long as no pipe ever needs to move more than 600/min then you'll be fine in any configuration really

[shrewd palm]

drag and drop into the trash can. holding shift will select a stack and ctrl will select all of that kind of item in your inventory

[shy mulch]

how can you spoil locations, if you've cleared most of the map and collected almost everything, surely you've been round the whole map already?

[charred sandal]

ooooo ty so much

[hybrid crystal]

Lol, thanks. I played quite a bit in early access, so when I started this world new in 1.0, I was ready to run through phases 1-3 without much trouble

[hybrid crystal]

I mean like where the remaining hard drives are and such

I don't think I want to use SCIM to find them

[shy mulch]

the map in SCIM has fog on by default, so will only show locations you've been

I don't think it shows items in the black areas, does it?

[hybrid crystal]

I was way off on my Mercer Sphere estimate, lol. 207/298 Mercer Spheres, 81/106 Somersloops, 105/118 Hard Drives

[cunning siren]

Thats still pretty good

[hybrid crystal]

Thanks, I'm pretty happy with it

I guess I'm still 8 Hard Drives short on being able to unlock every alt

[cunning siren]

I don't use many of the alt's so I pick what I do use and leave the rest from cluttering my menus

[hybrid crystal]

Yeah, that's what I've been doing. I have all the alts available to me in the Hard Drive Library if I need them

[fallow stream]

yeah it was a mouthful, sorry 😄 as I said its kindof a stupid question and midway writting my little essay here I realized the answer myself lol, but still wanted to verify. Saying that, if I could send pictures the explanation would be 10x shorter 😂 (I used msPaint)

[stoic spear]

what are some location i could put turbo fuel

[shrewd palm]

blue crater is the best and easiest spot i think

[stoic spear]

ok

[hybrid crystal]

I did rocket fuel just west of the swamp

[ornate saffron]

both are good

[charred sandal]

Can you rotate splitters/convergers that are already placed if theres no belt?

Can you turn belts around?

[ornate saffron]

not sure where to put this but im board at work so i made a quick table of all the Phase parts needed

[charred sandal]

Put it here, i want it

I hit phase 4 2 weeks ago on my 2nd day playing and I havnt touched it. Just expanding

[ornate saffron]

i cant... ill put it #screenshots

[sly oriole]

yo, im having a little problem with my reinforced iron plates machines, can anyone help me, my power stopped working even though it worked for a while then it just stopped

[ornate saffron]

sounds like a power issue not a assembly issue. what are you using for power?

[sly oriole]

im new to the game and the only power that i mainly use is Biomass lol, i will start coal and water powered machines once i unlock it

[shy mulch]

if you're using more power than you're producing, then the fuse will trip and everything stops until you sort it out

[sly oriole]

how do i lower it though, im very clueless about this

[ornate saffron]

so you likely need more burners

[shy mulch]

each biomass burner produces 30MW, except the 2 attached to the hub that produce 20MW each

machines use power, each one tells you how much power it uses

[ornate saffron]

go to machines and toggle them to stand by

then click on a power pole and flip the breaker

[unkempt blade]

which is why I recommend building roughly 4000 of them

[sly oriole]

Burners?

[ornate saffron]

the biomass generators. sorry personal slang

[iron idol]

How do I change the custom swatch?

nvm i found it

[sly oriole]

Wait can i send it into screenshots what i am using?

[ornate saffron]

learning how to load balance is a good skill to learn in this game. Running 15 biomass burners that get the Biomass evenly is a good way to teach yourself this skill

[ornate saffron]

yes sir in #screenshots

[ornate saffron]

so youll wana spilt the stream up into several biomass generators useing spliters and mergers

[white dawn]

When you need to send screenshots to help with a problem, btw, it's nearly always best to just open a #1038092680493801533 thread. Can inline images right in there

[sly oriole]

thanks

[white dawn]

It's always kind of annoying having to flip back and forth between channels to get images and such (which is why #1038092680493801533 exists. :)

[sly oriole]

so like, all the burners?

sorry my brain isnt keeping up with what your saying

[ornate saffron]

one second im bad at explain lol

[sly oriole]

dont worry

do you have time to hop in a call to explain it easier?

[shy mulch]

your screenshot shows one biomass burner in the foreground and what looks like another one in the background, if that's correct, and there's no more, then you have 60 MW

you need to either make sure your machines are using less than 60 MW total, or make more biomass burners

[ornate saffron]

Good point above check #1038092680493801533

[shy mulch]

don't use a call to sort stuff like this out, that's a terrible way to solve a problem like this

[wary osprey]

how do i put the pin for this sever back on my profile

[sly oriole]

im still very confused on what to do

[wary osprey]

how do i put the pin for this sever back on my profile

[sly oriole]

which pin? Like the one i am using?

[wary osprey]

yes

[sly oriole]

your probably on PC so left top is says Satisfactory, click on it and press server tag

[wary osprey]

yes, thank you

[sly oriole]

no worries

[wary osprey]

will you buy it on a consoul

[ornate saffron]

DM'df you ^_^

[feral geyser]

Dang, bro ditched Astroneer for Satisfactory 😭

[wary osprey]

lol

[feral geyser]

That's kinda valid though, i did the same

[wary osprey]

i like them both

[feral geyser]

I used to love Astroneer with all my heart

But then I got this game

[wary osprey]

i still a fun game im now waiting till the new dlc

[feral geyser]

Eh

It took too long for them to do it

Now I'm not that interested.

[wary osprey]

i cant till the 4th i have a pc but play games on xbox

[ornate saffron]

keeps the pc free for all the srpeadsheet youll make while playing lol

[wary osprey]

what

[feral geyser]

I'm a pencil and paper enjoyer myself

[wary osprey]

same

[shy mulch]

I use both

[wary osprey]

i use my pc for editing

[warm pendant]

im using 8 fuel gen with 300per cubic in 1 pure crude deposite. if i use a industrial buffer can i add more fuel gens?

[winter salmon]

i am wondering if we r going to get upgrades to pipes

[feral geyser]

If I'm using my PC or planning, I'm doing it in Paint 😭

[shy mulch]

buffers don't magically make more fuel

[warm pendant]

aight even if they are full yeah?

[ornate saffron]

i do both

[shy mulch]

I don't think you understand what a buffer is

[feral geyser]

300/min is enough to run 15 gens @ 100% though.

[green fiber]

if you uncrease storage space you cant magically run more machines

you need to produce more to run more machines

[feral geyser]

So you don't even need buffers, just more gens

[warm pendant]

first time using gens in fuel since i didnt use in coal xD

[wary osprey]

bro, i live stream so i sometime have to edit the vido befor it goes to yotub, but most the time leave it as is

[warm pendant]

300/min on a single crude can provide for 15 gens?

[feral geyser]

300 fuel/min can feed 15 gens @ 100% (20/min each)

[proud hill]

is automated energy accessible before tier 3? i really dont want to build a burner setup just to manually input biomass

[feral geyser]

You can make a biomass processor that you can dump everything into and craft it up to Solid Biofuel

But no, coal is the first fully-automateable power source

[proud hill]

dang

[ornate saffron]

what i did is made two containers one fore wood the other grasse fed them into conctrustors. to make biomass then fed that into a constructor for hard biomass. then split that into 15 biomass generators evenly

[hard ivy]

technically, the first could be an augmenter lol

[ornate saffron]

then cosplayed as a Age of empires villager

[warm pendant]

me building a 400watt biomass auto feed to build my 1200mw fuel gens

[ornate saffron]

once you get coal you can go find the Biocoal recipe. With Somers loops you can turn one hog meat into 920 bio coal. then make the game a rage simulator

[feral geyser]

Only on an extreme technicality, cuz making Fluctuators before getting steel and whatnot is possible but annoying

And you don't find them around wreckages, do you? I'm actually not sure on that

[hard ivy]

no, you need to find the pipes

or get them from doggos

[feral geyser]

Yeaaahhhhh

I guess it is doable, but that'd be more annoying than just making biomass or getting coal.

[ornate saffron]

just saying it is possible lol ( im being ridiculous)

[warm pendant]

the time it takes just to gather those resources is insane

[hard ivy]

plus you also need 50 computers to unlock it and another 10 comps, 50 EIBs and 25 motors to build one

[feral geyser]

Precisely

[hard ivy]

and then it's 550 MW, which isn't that much

[warm pendant]

augmentor only produce that much?

for a single sommersloop

[feral geyser]

Yeah, 500 + 10%

[hard ivy]

without anything else on the grid, yeah

[feral geyser]

No, 10 sloops

[warm pendant]

wait what.. damn

[feral geyser]

Each one costs 10 to build

So all things said and done, just do coal first 🥴

[ornate saffron]

never siad it was a good idea lol.

But this is a sandbox game sometimes you gotta give yourself goals to make it interesting

[dim cradle]

I definitely got sloop energy right after getting my coal plants, but it wasn't too easy

Also each sloop generator increases every other sloop's output, too

So at 10 of them I guess it's 100% total so 10k from just themselves

[ornate saffron]

ya its exponential

[dim cradle]

Wouldn't say it's exponential just additive boost ? 🤔

[warm pendant]

do really 300/min crude can provide for 15 fuel gens? im really bad at math in this game for now

using 10 refinery for heavy and 3 for fuel

[ornate saffron]

so lets say you have 100 power. the first gives you 10%of that so total of 110

the second takes the 110 and give you 10% of that adn so on

[ornate saffron]

the satisfactory tools is my go to for questions like this

[hybrid crystal]

Review the math on the wiki; the 10% boosts don't stack in the way you're thinking. Two Alien Power Augmenters with 100 base power will yield 120 (assuming we're not counting the 500 + bonuses from the APAs themselves) https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Alien_Power_Augmenter

[white dawn]

Yeah, the percent increase doesn't compound

[ornate saffron]

Ah. I thought they did

[feral geyser]

it is not exponential, but you do get better-than-linear increases

power consumption from clocking is exponential

[wicked nacelle]

yes, but a VERY slow exponential rate within the % increase available

it used to be really painful but they nerfed the exponent a ton a few years ago

It's close enough to linear that you really don't have to think much about it vs the power that's easy to generate

[last viper]

hey guys,
im trying to split 2 uneven belts (60/m and 120/m) into 2 even belts. i only got mark 2 unlocked so how do i do that best?

[feral geyser]

i mean, it uses 250% power at 200% clock, and nearly 336% more power at 250% clock, that's not even close to linear

[white dawn]

If you really do want to do that, split the 120 (so you've got 60/60/60), split one of the 60s (so you've got 30/30/60/60), then merge each pair of 30+60 together

Though the better question might by "why do you want to do that?" :D There's a good chance you don't have to

[wicked nacelle]

but you just put a splitter on each then a merger on each further down on each and connect each splitter to the opposite merger

[feral geyser]

120 + 60 = 60+60 + 30+30 = 90 + 90

[last viper]

im working on cole energy. i got 2 conveyors for that nad i have 3 normal coal mk 1 drills

[white dawn]

Okay, it's actually simpler to not balance the belts

Just send the 60/min into 4 coal gens, and the 120/min into 8 coal gens

[feral geyser]

so in other words, you had even sources, you merged them into uneven sources, and now you want even sources again?

just don't merge the two miners in the first place

[white dawn]

8 coal gens is often the best "unit" of coal gens to produce on account of the water extractors -- 3 water extractors give 360/min water, which is exactly what 8 coal generators need. And then the gens work well in groups of 120/min coal delivery

Doing "half" units with just 4 coal gens is pretty easy too

[wicked nacelle]

yep, you just lose efficiency on water extractor build parts, which early game can be annoying. stupid rotors 🙂

[last viper]

nope i merged 3 sources into 1 belt and have 1 belt left so i want to even them out

[wicked nacelle]

just do what I said

[wicked nacelle]

This one

[lament niche]

hey @shy mulch @feral geyser @hexed phoenix and @green fiber what kind of IRL valve does the valve in satisfactory act like?

[wicked nacelle]

so each splitter makes two paths with half the belt then each belt gets half from itself and half of the other.

[lament niche]

or use load/belt balancers

[green fiber]

mixed behaviour.
it lets pressure through completely (head lift) while limiting flow

[glass pagoda]

Hello I'm new to satisfactory is there any place that I can explore that is like super cool looking

[white dawn]

You're free to go ahead and do it, of course. But as I say: leaving them as a belt of 120 (which can feed 8 coal generators) and a belt of 60 (which can feed 4 generators) will likely be a lot simpler, in the end

[white dawn]

I recommend the map

[lament niche]

and it blocks backflow too, right?

[glass pagoda]

I have the map

[hybrid crystal]

That's a wrap, folks. We have Saved the Day

[green fiber]

yeah, non-return

[wicked nacelle]

sort of

[white dawn]

Heh, what I meant was "the game world." Just start walking; it's all great.

[feral geyser]

i don't know enough about hydraulics to say for sure

[lament niche]

almost reminds me of a sequential valve

[glass pagoda]

Alr

[green fiber]

not sort of, precisely.
any other behaviour is just fluids acting in waves

[wicked nacelle]

pretty sure slosh can flow backwards through a valve

[green fiber]

the valve doesnt let fluid flow back.
that does not mean that the energy of the flow rate is just cancelled

backward slosh does not actually travel back through the valve

its just a wave suddenly hitting a dead end and turning around

[lament niche]

because check valve, right?

[green fiber]

yes

just imagine a big flap inside the valve if you want

[lament niche]

or ball/spring

[green fiber]

yeah or that, but giant

[lament niche]

obv

[glass pagoda]

Someone told me that this place called the red forest is cool and safe for beginners so im gonna check it out

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's technically not letting backflow through, but it can often effectively be the exact same thing. Backflow happens on the "far" side, new fluid tries to get through on the "near" side but there's no room, the fluid starts backflowing on the near side too

[lament niche]

they lied to you

[glass pagoda]

Huh

Huh

[lament niche]

if you want easy, try rocky desert

[glass pagoda]

Alr

[green fiber]

you can imagine that the valve internally has 2 seperate valves:
one is the non-return which is either a flap or a ball/spring

[wicked nacelle]

Ahh that's probably what I heard and then misremembered the simplified version of

[green fiber]

and the other is either a vane or a ball that changes angle as the valve is limited

[lament niche]

so the satisfactory valve is actually a manifold

[wicked nacelle]

hopefully they just make it work as most people expect in 1.2 and we can forget all these pointless details

[lament niche]

like, a legitimate manifold

[green fiber]

its in-line

not really any branching

[glass pagoda]

Are there any bosses. I assume not

[wicked nacelle]

no, but there are commons that are significantly harder than others

[lament niche]

don't need branching for a manifold irl.

[glass pagoda]

Like the long legg spaghetti spider

[wicked nacelle]

If you run into a big green spider probably get ready to respawn 🙂

[green fiber]

depends on what type of manifold you mean

if i look up manifold is describes branching pretty explicitly

[shrewd palm]

not atm but i think there was one planned

it was a giant crab that you could find in the gold coast that would make a bunch of flies

[glass pagoda]

I HATE FLIES THOSE STUPID PLANTS THAT PRODUCE THEM ARE SO ANNOYING

[shrewd palm]

you can crouch to hide from them btw

[wicked nacelle]

just sneak up on them and beat them to death 🙂

[glass pagoda]

Ty

[shrewd palm]

they wont even attack if you beat them to death

[wicked nacelle]

also effective for getting rid of idle multiplayer people :O)

[glass pagoda]

I love this game but the thing I hate the most is those fart fire ant mound thingys

[wicked nacelle]

There’s only four enemy types and none are that??

[last viper]

yeah true but all for the looks

[glass pagoda]

The gas things

[wicked nacelle]

Five if you include those damn birds that always get in the way

[glass pagoda]

Do they despawn after death

[wicked nacelle]

Yes

[glass pagoda]

Yahooo

[feral portal]

are there any mods that add tilted windows?

[lament niche]

a manifold is a series of valves, junctions, etc in a tight space

[lament niche]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

You can easily balance up to three belts with the strategy I gave earlier and then you can combine that to
Then balance balanced belts 3 ways again so you can make a 9 belt balancer with 6 three belt balancers in a grid of 3x2

[green fiber]

do you mean a hydraulic block manifold?

[glass pagoda]

So what are the enemies i know that there are the spiders the hogs and the fucked up bird head things but nothing else

[feral portal]

what's the name

[lament niche]

yes.

[wicked nacelle]

Spiders hogs spitters flies

[lament niche]

'elephino

[glass pagoda]

Spitters

?

[lament niche]

spitters spit plasma at you.

[feral portal]

elephino? bro what

[wicked nacelle]

Those are the four different types of remains you can process into dna. Only different between tiers of enemies are how many they drop per kill

[glass pagoda]

Where are the found

[wicked nacelle]

Everywhere

[lament niche]

lots of places

[glass pagoda]

Ive never seen one ima look it up

[wicked nacelle]

Spiders ers are probably the only type that is much more dense in certain locations and almost none others

[glass pagoda]

OOO WAIT IS THAT THE DINO LOOKING THING

[green fiber]

those usually are more complex components that still tend to have branching.
If one wants to be pendantic then i guess you could look into whats the minimum connection number to constitute a manifold.
but from what i saw, 1 in and 1 out does not count as manifold
But like.... you wouldnt call a simple throttle check valve a manifold....
you could if you want i guess if it actually counts but i dont think many people would agree there.
It would lead to confusion

[glass pagoda]

The thing with a huge red mouth

[wicked nacelle]

Target practice 🙂

Two nukes will take it out.

[glass pagoda]

Im sorry nukes?

[wicked nacelle]

🙂

Time to start working on your MAM research paths

[glass pagoda]

Alr i only have the slug one and it's almost complete complete becuse i love those silly things

[wicked nacelle]

Okay well then time to get to work on your hub goals to get more mam research 🙂

Or find deposits of new ore types and research those

But if you don’t then hub goals will unlock them on your scanner automatically

[glass pagoda]

Alr bye

[lament niche]

of many kinds; numerous and varied

[hexed phoenix]

Not sure what term you're looking for.. In the machine/automation business you'd most likely see a similarity to a Proportional Valve..

[green fiber]

thats just the literal definition of manifold.
Regardless, whats your point?

Or is there another question to it that requires knowing if it is a manifold or not

[feral portal]

ts guy ragebaiting

[lament niche]

gonna google that, thanks

[green fiber]

those seem a bit too complex to describe our manual valves.
but the idea is there i guess

i think the proportional valves are the ones that are usually mounted onto a hydraulic block manifold though

i remember them from work

we got proportional ones and simple on/off there

[hexed phoenix]

Well my thought, was some analogue signal to control a 0-100% opening of a valve :)

Proportional Valves are used in many scenarios, commonly in hydraulic systems - but also variations for water pumps stations have I commissioned systems using these valve types :)

[green fiber]

guess we are thinking about this from 2 different angles

[hexed phoenix]

Most likely, can see a lot conversation has happened after the initial message - I didn't follow up on that, just saw the pinged message

[kind flicker]

anyone down to join my supermarket together world?

the world code is: 109775244667314516

[clever merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286167237908107356/1433906970678657054/2025104.JPG?ex=6906656e&is=690513ee&hm=78b6b14999c321b401a1377fb2d680053616a8ebc4f28cd8cdad8231065c20a8& WTF game are you dunk go home i confused

[bold ice]

Does devs know about drones fuel bug?

[hard ivy]

if it's on the qa site, they do. if it's not, probably not

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @hard ivy

[bold ice]

Thanks for info

[quick barn]

Never understood why its called "red forrest" when its clearly pink, but yeah - go check it out!

[glass pagoda]

I know now someone told me about what it truly was

A radioactive hellscape

[hard ivy]

there's plenty of red there too

[quick barn]

None of my cohort ever called it that naturally - its so clearly pink when I started seeing "red forrest" in this server i thought my monitor was broken.

#screenshots message
No red dominance in this very clearly "pink forest" screenshot, for example

[feral geyser]

Pink is just red + white

"I don't know why they call it a blue sky when it's clearly azure"

[hard ivy]

looks pretty red to me

[slender hatch]

Time to build a 50 heavy modular frame factory... wish me luck i have 6 hours avaible

[quick barn]

May as well call everything white at that point, since all perceived color derives from white light.

[feral geyser]

Call it "low-saturation red" then.

Brown is just low-luminosity orange

Had that fun discussion in Astroneer when someone asked where to find the "orange soil"

[wet flint]

hello

oh

[primal obsidian]

hi

[dawn tulip]

so when I set up the truck rout do I need to stop at the truck station or will it automatically do that

[primal obsidian]

when do i get automatic power

[zenith fractal]

phase 2 I think or something

[dawn tulip]

when you get to coal

[wet flint]

tipps for nuclear power?

[zenith fractal]

remember to deal with waste, turn the waste into plutonium fuel rods which can be sinked or use storage containers to buy yourself time.

[wet flint]

thanks

[zenith fractal]

or do the entire nuclear energy line of uranium waste to plutonium fuel to plutonium waste to ficsonium

[wet flint]

how many should i build?

[zenith fractal]

as ficsonium fuel has no waste

as many as you like

[wet flint]

oh

[zenith fractal]

or need

[primal obsidian]

when is that

[mystic oriole]

ficsonium takes more power than it produces

[zenith fractal]

tier 3

[zenith fractal]

but it is fun to make the funny orbs

[mystic oriole]

hey, I'm not saying don't, best case use a bunch of APA's to augment your power output to make it worth it.

[zenith fractal]

true

[dawn tulip]

aight is it just me or vehicle teleports back to where you got on sometimes after you leave it?

[quick barn]

Nah. It's pink. I'll call it pink

[quick barn]

That one seems more understandable somehow.

[wet flint]

how many items can the Train transport per minute?

[green fiber]

depends on the transport time

and your available belt tier as well as item stack size

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput - actual numbers are here for end game configs

[wet flint]

thanks

[wicked nacelle]

max possible is 2,247.83/min

from one freight platform

[primal obsidian]

if i havce a really long pipe do i need to put pumps on it even if it isnt ghoing up?

[shy mulch]

Pumps are for height. Length is irrelevant

[ornate saffron]

sometimes pipes dont connect properly so its nice if they are filling as you lay them so you can see they work ^_^ or at least in update 8 they didnt i dont know if thats been fixed

[shy mulch]

I've played since 1.0 was released and I don't remember that even being a thing

[ornate saffron]

wgood to kn ow

im not sure what has been fixed ^_^

[primal obsidian]

i fell into a hole and spent the last 15 mionuts trying to get out before i realized i can place foundations

[mystic oriole]

bravo. You didn't want to polute your save with odd foundations in places.

You wanted to parkor your issues.

[feral geyser]

as though dismantling is that hard

[primal obsidian]

and then i fell into one of the endless looking chasms

[ornate saffron]

at work a coworker spent 30 minutes trying to jump up a side of a small cliff. When I said "Why don;t you use foundations" he look me in the eye and siad "fuck"

[mystic oriole]

grass lands chasms eh? I did that one too in a truck don't feel too bad.

[graceful loom]

Good evening, does anyone know if there's a mod that allows me to split the exact amount I want to pass through the conveyor belt?

[feral geyser]

yes

i wouldn't do it

[hard ivy]

yes, but trust me, there's a 99% chance you don't need it nor even want it. everything that can be with something like this can be done without it

[feral geyser]

just build your system better

[graceful loom]

I need to send 194.5/min of iron ingot to a 15.56x constructor. How do I distribute this evenly across the conveyor belt?

Could you give me a suggestion?

[dense violet]

you have that vanilla, clock your machines to put what you need on a belt

Manifolds also do this when they've spun up

[dense violet]

this evenly feeds the machines https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1407002332239237210/1407004901015294013/image.png?ex=690615ed&is=6904c46d&hm=616b1b5ca63dd630d2ed7008148982ba46e3b159f7c0b3a397733dcb1409b8d1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=418&height=350

[graceful loom]

Can you take a look at the image I'm going to send in the screenshots, just so I can see if I understand correctly?

[quick barn]

Manifolds are the easy suggestion, and will work everytime eventually

[dense violet]

if your belt is fast enough, and you have enough parts per min for hte machines, it'll work

[quick barn]

I use manifolds most of the time. And yeah, just make sure you have like 1ppm more than you need and it will fill eventually. You can pre-load the consumers by hand too so speed up the saturation process if you want.

[dense violet]

you don't even need +1ppm for hte system

it'll run perfectly smoothly with +0 ppm

[quick barn]

Yeah - but it makes people feel good.
I also dont bother.

[cunning siren]

Sliding down metal catwalk staircases gotta' be rough on the buttocks 🤔

[dense violet]

Still bad advice. Especially if you're dealing with a system with byproducts that really dont like being clogged

[graceful loom]

You can look at the image I sent in the #screenshots

[dense violet]

use manifolds

[quick barn]

If these questions are being had at the point of dealing with byproducts - there are likely a number of other more pressing issues going on.

[graceful loom]

Are they all in a straight line, like you showed in the photo?

[quick barn]

Doesnt matter the orientation, just have a main belt with splitters to each consumer.

[dense violet]

still not good advice. Someoen doing that earlier on would keep doing that.

[quick barn]

If you say so

[dense violet]

all a manifold needs to work

1. a fast enough belt
2. at least enough parts per min for the system that needs the parts

[quick barn]

bad advice

Should be "Never more than you need or things will break someday"

[feral geyser]

😳 🍿

[quick barn]

Someone told me that recently

[dense violet]

it's accurate, and you're being a troll

whether they want to go beyond that afterwards that'll be their design

[quick barn]

Its not the whole story and people can be led astray

Ohhh i see so that works for your advice and not anyone else's. Got it.

[dense violet]

anyway, ignoring the troll, a belt manifold doesn't care about shape, or distance really, you could have a system like that spread across half the map and it would eventually spin up

[quick barn]

I find a new person to block on discord everyday apparently.

[feral geyser]

I would never manifold if the system required the exact count the belt is carrying, but that's just me.

[cunning siren]

Seems to be some kind of bug related to deleting stuff over a span of time. Mah computer gets all stuttery when deleting stuff then crashes 😭 . On reload works for a while until I delete more stuff

[graceful loom]

Thanks for helping

[quick barn]

I'm lazy - I just manifold and make sure I have a trash belt handy for any overflow that may occur.

Obviously wont work for waste products - but thats not this conversation.

[pulsar niche]

Oh, you can pet dead lizard doggos

[dense violet]

<@&387163995947270144>

not that satisfactory accounts really makes sense

[quick barn]

Probably the worst way to buy a copy of a game. Tends to be a scam.

Careful with this stuff folks.

That was fast!

[empty hill]

reminds me of people selling Runescape accounts a while ago

My Satisfactory Account has 92000 Awesome Shop tickets in its inventory

[feral geyser]

Your save has that many tickets

If you made a new save, it would not have those

[empty hill]

well today we've invented Satisfactory Accounts so anything goes

[pulsar niche]

^ had to test homing ammo on something and unlike for the bean, I haven't run out of ada messages after killing lizard doggos (yet)

[feral geyser]

MODS

Ban this sociopath

[empty hill]

unlimited voice lines for ADA shaming the pioneer sounds right

[quick barn]

Could be a use for AI I can get behind. Never ending supply of ADA shame.

[feral geyser]

No

[pulsar niche]

definitely not for the bean, since they stopped for it eventually, don't know if that holds for the doggos, since I wasn't prioritizing hunting them down

[quick barn]

Let us know how many it takes to find the bottom 😉

[empty hill]

i do like the voicelines for when you interrupt ADA with new researches

[weak radish]

hiii

[ornate saffron]

hii

[quick idol]

how many Turbomotors per minute is enough to produce for the beginning with turbomotors?

[spare ice]

Hey guys, how do you get compressed steam on the refined power mod ? 😄

[wicked nacelle]

there's a whole mod discord for satisfactory and you'll likely have to ask there.

[pulsar niche]

if I recall correctly my kill count of them before this then 14

but what I definitely know now is that it eventually stops

[feral geyser]

5/min is great

[pulsar niche]

the ada messages after killing lizard doggos

[feral geyser]

You'll probably want to up it to 10 or 20 by the time of phase 5 though

[quick idol]

kk thanks alot

[shrewd palm]

you dont really need them all that much in phase 4 so probably just aim for however many you need for the space elevator + a little extra for building

a lot of stuff in phase 5 needs them for building tho so yeah you'll want extra

[reef basin]

however many you need at the moment

[peak wasp]

Rose's are Red, Violence is Blue, I murder lizard doggos how about you?

[spark sky]

If you have a switch between power storage and your grid and you shut it off after the power storage is charged, will it discharge because it is not connected?

[gleaming carbon]

Hi guys, I am trying to use nobelisk on smaller rocks and they dont get destroyed? Is there something I'm missing?

[dense violet]

only cracked rocks blow up and some smaller debris

[spark sky]

There are certain rocks you can destroy, most of the randomly shaped rocks that are jagged are permanent.

[gleaming carbon]

The ones I'm takling about are just small and round pebble like

Theyre all over the pink forest

[dense violet]

soemthigns can't be blown

[frail sleet]

no

[shrewd palm]

only foliage, local wildlife, and rocks with cracks can be exploded

[spark sky]

The ones you can blow up are rounded and cracked, most of them are hiding access to resource nodes or things like Somersloops and Mercer Spheres.

Or the stone collumns with the green gas coming from them.

[charred sandal]

What happens if you fall off the map?

Does ur stuff spawn on the edge somewhere

[lament niche]

#screenshots message

pwetty

[fierce quartz]

You die and its extremely difficult to access your items since the box they are in spawns below the limit where you take damage

[charred sandal]

I see.

[white dawn]

Well, the game does try to spawn the death crate at the last point of land where you were standing. Often it's not too bad to get to

But yeah, sometimes that code screws up

Note that you can change the game settings to keep all your inventory on death, instead, if you like

[wicked nacelle]

Basically all the stuff you can blow up kinda looks the same. You get used to what it looks like

You can use SCIM to move your death crate somewhere accessible or just give yourself anything important like spheres sloops

[dim cradle]

Why does the repair for a pod door need some dark matter portal alien tech ...

Had to look up wtf a superposition oscillator was

[shrewd palm]

oh that

i think those were put as a joke pre 1.0 or something

[dim cradle]

was a good joke to make a crash pod need one...

[shrewd palm]

theres more than enough for all the alts and stuff

[reef basin]

wasn't a joke

[wicked nacelle]

There were items that were only available during certain events but the drop pods were always in the game. It wasn’t a joke but it wasn’t good game design.

[reef basin]

it was reward for ficsmas

[wicked nacelle]

They also removed .. quantum computer??.. item and the drop pod for it

[shrewd palm]

i think they renamed quantum computers to superposition oscillators

[wicked nacelle]

ahh, maybe

[shrewd palm]

not entirely sure tho 1.0 was a while ago

[dim cradle]

Those oil/water/nitrogen sources with the cracked rocks require fracking or something right

[shrewd palm]

rtesource well pressurizers

[dim cradle]

Lol I really need to just turn in the parts for phase 3, been sitting on them

[wicked nacelle]

yes, you unlock that pretty late game

same time that you start needing nitrogen

[dim cradle]

yeah our save 3 years ago I'm pretty sure we were using those. What phase are they in

[zenith fractal]

phase 4

[dim cradle]

oh so just the next one

Well I've been marking their locations since the radar doesn't do it

At least not yet

[shrewd palm]

they should be mid phase 4 i think

after aluminum but before nuclear/space elevator

[dim cradle]

lol says I collected 150 mercers...

I'm kind of beginning to realize they're pretty much everywhere

[wicked nacelle]

yeah there's a lot. There's like.. almost enough to double every item type you'd want to upload and do all the research

[white dawn]

Nah, Superposition Oscillators just didn't have a recipe until 1.0, is all

[shrewd palm]

ahh

[white dawn]

Quantum Computers were just removed entirely, but they updated the model for Supercomputers to use the old Quantum Computer one 'cause they liked it better

[shrewd palm]

theres something like 300 spheres and you only need about 100 for mam stuff

i think so anyways

[white dawn]

Yep. :)

[shrewd palm]

i still need to go on a big collecting spree

almost have a hypertube cannon set up so maybe soon

[dim cradle]

I'm not even looking for them, I'm looking for sloops. Just grabbing them if they're on the way

I have a hypertube cannon but honestly it's not anywhere near as good as just using power lines and radar towers

first thing that comes to my mind when I think "sloop" is "where are the spiders" and sure enough I hear spiders nearby must be a sloop nearby

[shrewd palm]

the idea is just to launch myself to where i'll build my HMF factory and then work my way back along the west coast/desert

[dim cradle]

yep one tiny stupid hole in the ground, looks like it's gonna be hoppin

I wouldn't bother, just ziplining between the large power towers and plopping down radars in zones is a lot better imo

[shrewd palm]

and that should get me enough mercer spheres and sloops and hard drives for now

[dim cradle]

The radar tower really helps narrow down where they might be once you clear a zone out

[dim cradle]

wow

a sloop in a cave... but there were no spiders

what am I even playing

[shrewd palm]

not satisfactory thats for sure

[dim cradle]

Spiderfactory

[zenith fractal]

catto

[peak wasp]

anyone wanna play im new

[gleaming carbon]

Is there any technique to making painted beam curves? I know you can with the bigger blocks just curious if you can with the painted beams alone.

[exotic nymph]

how do yall handle smelters

like do you put them inside your enclosed factorys

or outside

[dim cradle]

I have an expandable vertical 9 stack I use for my smelters, I just plop it down when I need nuggets

[peak wasp]

anyone wanna play

[exotic nymph]

i put mine inside but sometimes smoke goes through the ceiling and it just looks unrealistic to have black smoke inside a factory

[exotic nymph]

what is vertical 9

[frail sleet]

a tower of 9 smelters

[frail sleet]

your ceiling is too low

[dim cradle]

There were probably smarter ways to do this, but it's this. #screenshots message

[frail sleet]

as a rough guide, i make/recommend floors between 16m and 48m high (4-12 of the thickest foundations)

[dim cradle]

just a blueprint where they're all glued together, guess to give it support I could have put walls in lol

[exotic nymph]

alr thanks i have a building with my bio mass burners and i just put fans and vents around my building to make it look realistic so it seems i am venting them out but smelters realease sooo much smoke

i also thought of keeping my smelters outside my factory

but ill just keep the ceilings high and add a lot of fans and vents

thx for the help

[dim cradle]

I like expandable vertical stacks because it doesn't take up floor space

Guess kids don't like almond joys, so much candy to finish...

Oh I thought of a perfect use for a truck route.

Time to see this thing fail miserably but it will be hilarious

[spark sky]

Well, I guess one way to play Satisfactory is to discover all the epic fails you can.

I know I've had to rebuild some of my vertical load balancers because the items got to the first splitter and went nowhere from there.

[dim cradle]

My vertical load balancers seem to have been working just fine. Don't think I've had any hiccups from them

I'm just using manifolding lately because it's less trouble but I set this up a while ago and it's been chugging away on a few of my iron nugget factories #screenshots message

well also it used a metric crapton of resources to just make the load balancer because I put in extra vertical lifts to bring the inputs and outputs to the bottom

[spark sky]

Well, one thing that got me messed up was trying to split a working one between two building blueprints, having floor lift holes, and not realizing when I put them together that I started the connection from the wrong floor hole.

So the lift was going backwards to the desired flow.

[spark sky]

Well, see now, I had the containers I was getting the material from at the bottom, so didn't have that problem.

[dim cradle]

It's just the way I built it by stacking the cubes together to minimize the footprint

[spark sky]

But, these vertical load balancers are fed from the center, so there is a central lift to bring the material up to the center.

I'm actually using 8 vertical load balancers in my biofuel power plant.

Hm, I don't have anything that complicated, yet.

[dim cradle]

it was completely pointless

The 9-1-9 tower basically just took 9 inputs, merged them into one, then split them back up into up to 9 outputs

and then I added a bunch of lifts to bring the inputs and outputs down, which made the cost of the thing rise to a kind of stupid degree

[spark sky]

I have 3 floors of 12 biomass burners in my latest blueprint, each vertical load balancer feeds 3 floors of 3 biomass burners, with each pair of them fed from the middle.

[dim cradle]

then yeah I guess you could use my design but eh

it's definitely a... chunk...

that I never used again

[spark sky]

The tricky part was building the top and bottom blueprints, then putting them together with a normal splitter between them, connected to them with lifts.

It's kind of difficult to describe, you would have to watch me stream how I did it.

[dim cradle]

I was thinking about trying to augment my vertical smelter design by hanging a vertical lift underside and overside to connect input and output automatically but I don't think I have enough room for that on the mk1 blueprint

rn I have the inputs connecting, but not the outputs

[spark sky]

Are you autoconnecting them?

[dim cradle]

Yeah so the backside of the smelter stack is the input to the manifold

that part autoconnects

but linking outputs so they flow up to down requires me making a quick set of 2 lifts on the top and bottom between them and linking them

I'm thinking I could probably get that working if I just raised the blueprint a bit...

or maybe I could just route an input lift up hmm

I was tired when I made it so maybe I didn't think it through

yeah actually that would prob work let me try it

[spark sky]

Well, one thing I've discovered is, you can make a blueprint that you can paste into your world, but though you can load it into the blueprint designer, you can't paste it into the blueprint designer, because it's either too tall or too wide (some part of it overlaps the edge or top of the blueprint designer). This could be a wall on the border or a piece of a machine sticking up out of the blueprint designer. It let you place the machine, but the blueprint itself has a larger hitbox.

[dim cradle]

nah my vertical smelter stack is well within the bounds of a mk1 I think

I generally haven't had that issue though it's just hard to line up sometimes

[spark sky]

I'm not currently in the game, but, let me look up a screenshot I already posted...

@dim cradle This shows I can place the biomass burner in there, with the power light sticking out of the top of the blueprint designer, but the resulting blueprint cannot be pasted back into the blueprint designer because it's too tall (yet I can load and edit it just fine). #screenshots message

The same problem occurs if you build walls at the edge of the blueprint designer.

[wicked nacelle]

blueprint machines are a pile of bugs for sure

another one of those parts of the game you just have to learn how to deal with the bugs

[spark sky]

Well, I'm just glad they work.

A lot of this game is trying things till you get something to work.

It's easy to mismatch a layout (placing something just off enough that a belt or pipe won't connect).

Now, that one that someone posted yesterday was interesting, the belt was level and the game said it was too steep.

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message yay I made my vertical smelter blueprint fully recursive, now it just auto hooks both input and output

Probably

tabun

Although now it can't be stacked horizontally as easily. Oh well.

could prob fix that tho

[opaque zenith]

is satisfactory just a 3d factorio

[viscid rune]

That might be more CoI's claim.

[dense violet]

no, they have very different design philosophies. The only things that are really similar is a concept of automation

[opaque zenith]

that works

[dim cradle]

your base can only be destroyed by your own incompetence, they play very differently

But just in terms of "it's a factory game" sure.

I dunno why people hate screws quite that much, I think I hate wire and cable a lot more

[ivory condor]

Screws are awful🙂

[cunning siren]

IMO default screws builds are usually "big" (In comparison to others) AND require more throughput than a single belt may offer for the output in some situations forcing the player to do "extra things" in order to make it work. Strange thing is Quickwire is the same way 🤷 and nobody complains about that? Maybe cuz Quickwire is mostly optional and screws is less so 🤔. I can "do screws" and "not do screws" 🤷 don't matter much to me

[warm pendant]

is this right? i tried prompting chatgpt to calculate me on how many fuel gen i can build using 600/min it says it can support up to 66 fuelgens.

[dim cradle]

Wire is pretty much the same tho, like 15 ingots makes 30 wire, which makes it awkward to manifold

well depending on your blueprint anyway

[cunning siren]

Here is a calculator, if you are using rocket fuel and power shards; you need to overclock: 57 Fuel-Powered Generator at 250%, 1 Fuel-Powered Generator at 150% per 600 rocket fuel https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/power/index/powerOutput/36000/powerShards/999/generator/Build_GeneratorFuel_C/fuel/Desc_RocketFuel_C

[feral geyser]

don't use ChatGPT for this 😒 when we have calculators, and you have a codex and a brain

also, it's literally just 20/min / generator if you're doing fuel

[warm pendant]

just tried it but i didn't build what chatgpt said xD

[cunning siren]

Input requirements for screws is very high on average too, look at Copper Rotors as an example 195 is rough, even with Mk.5 belts 4x builds is maxing out a single manifold. Why it's a good plan to make screws per Assembler and feed Iron Ingots to the build 🤷

[elder apex]

The reason is because the recipes that use screws require 50-100% more screws than the recipes that use wire. For example, bolted plates take 50 screws for 3 plates, while stitched plates take only 20 wire for the same 3 plates. While you can sometimes get a bit more total output from the recipes that require screws, the alternatives to screws require a disproportionately lower amount of machines and work.

[feral geyser]

all the recipes with screws have 2-4x the output rate as the other ones though

that's not insignificant, especially since steel screws are piss easy to make

one constructor making regular steel beams can max out a Mk 5 belt with screws

it's all just balancing what you have, what you want, and what you need

[cunning siren]

What else are you gonna use steel beams for anyway? 😆 They are basically obsolete with Iron Pipe + Encased Industrial Pipe + Mk.4 belts 🤷

[feral geyser]

exactly

i think people who hate screws in the same way most people hate Nickelback: cuz someone told them it was cool to hate them

[cunning glade]

Ada defends the whale things if u kill them

I love screws tbh

I like high output items it's cool

[feral geyser]

screws are really not bad, people just like to bitch and moan about something, and they are an easy target

[elder apex]

I don't hate screws, I just have found so many better alternatives to using them that they are mostly a non-issue after phase 1

[feral geyser]

btw, yes i do like Nickelback

[cunning glade]

Cast screws goated for Early game

[feral geyser]

Heavy Flexible frame is premium recipe, idc what you say

[cunning siren]

I sloop everything after heavy frames so that makes it so I need 3.07 /min to make 10 BWD /min happen 😆 Heavy Encased Frame does that ez without needing to make more rubber after the first pluber build 🤷

[clear aspen]

chat, shes defrosting...

[feral geyser]

please, god no

[small pebble]

do trains care about gracvity? for example, can i make them go at a steep vertical without issues?

[dense violet]

about 2m ramp is as steep as rail can be placed

[small pebble]

HUH

[feral geyser]

the track has a max grade i think, but yes, they will also use more power going up a grade

[dense violet]

you can technically make them a little steeper but it's annoying

[small pebble]

oh my god lol

im tryna go cross country with this train

[dense violet]

plan your routes around big elevation changes, it's pretty easy

[cunning siren]

Make SkyTrains, no need to change elevation 🤷 😆

[dense violet]

gross

[cunning siren]

The way you play is gross too 🙄

[dim cradle]

Ugh all this work to just increase my oscillators to 11/min

it truly is an unrewarding recipe, but I want more radar towers

[feral geyser]

alternately, you could leave your rate alone and just go exploring while they craft and upload

[dim cradle]

I was going to, but one manufacturer making 2/min wasn't even going to keep me supplied while I explore

[feral geyser]

oh yeah.

[dim cradle]

so I figured if I was gonna build more might as well build a lot more

[feral geyser]

go hard or go home 😎 and ADA ain't shipping us home 😭

[dim cradle]

today's gonna be our lucky day...

[elder apex]

hack the Awesome Sink and have it send you back home

[dim cradle]

Wait you're probably not making a Halo reference

[cunning siren]

Superposition Oscillator eats those anyway so 🤷 they'll be useful later too

[dim cradle]

I have a feeling by that stage 11/min will be a drop in the bucket

well I made a huge storage stack for them lol

[cunning siren]

With sloopage 11/min is overkill without, about enough

Assuming 10 BWD /min if you want to go more than that then obvi not enough 😆

[charred sandal]

Is there no way to get a train to go steeper then 2:4?

[small pebble]

my train just full sent up almost a straight hill

[charred sandal]

I wanted to make my big factory off the west coast with the trains at a very low altitude...

hm. maybe im mistaken

[small pebble]

yeah this train just went up way steeper than a 4m

[charred sandal]

I cant get it to go on an incline of 4 at all

[shy mulch]

Why would that be a mistake? Seems like a reasonable plan

[small pebble]

and it went just fine with 8 freight cars

[charred sandal]

how

Im trying to lie it straight on a stretch of 4m ramps

and it just says too steep

[shy mulch]

I use spirals when I make trains go up or down a cliff

[small pebble]

mine worked jsut fine haha

[feral geyser]

Pics or it didn't happen

[dim cradle]

I guess I'm at 9 sloop generators now

so there are 10 sloops left in the world since I'm using 3 of them in constructors

[frail sleet]

@cunning siren

AND require more throughput than a single belt may offer for the output in some situations

Extremely rarely in P3-P5, if you're a belt tier behind, you have to run a machine below 100% - that's all. It happens zero times in P0, P1, P2.

[dim cradle]

Tbh I just opted to sacrifice 10/min of my steel beams to make 520 screws in 2 belts

was very compact

Meanwhile wire for me has been... big...

and annoying...

[frail sleet]

what recipe consumes more than 1 belt of wire

[dim cradle]

I'm still use mk3 belt, so I have smelters making 270/min of copper ingots, then to use that I think I had to split my manifolded constructors into 2 sets of 9?

Then feed that to an array of constructors to make cable at half that

then take that to input into 7 crystal oscillators, some of which are overclocked just enough

well 7 manufacturers making them

[feral geyser]

Insulated Oscillator is a better recipe

[dim cradle]

A lot of things just use a lot of either wire or cable, just not a fan of it

I don't have it yet

[feral geyser]

No cable, fewer crystals

[charred sandal]

There a way to place two train track BPs against eachother and connect or nah

[frail sleet]

for crystal oscillator default recipe they need 14 cable, which needs 28 wire, which you make from feeding it 14 ingots. That fits on a mk1 belt.

It sounds like you're connecting as many machines as you can to one belt and exceeding belt capacity because of that, but that's a really suboptimal way to build logistically

[feral geyser]

Yeah, auto connect mode

Bring them close enough to show the link, click once, then stretch to size, click again to place.

[dim cradle]

I mean I've got 270/min copper ingots, so sending that to a manifolded set of constructors seems pretty standard to me if I want to use the whole thing.

[charred sandal]

cool, hope it works with what im doin :3

[dim cradle]

Which I kind of need to either way

[frail sleet]

if your way is easier, what's the problem with wire?

[dim cradle]

that doesn't make sense as a question. I'd have a problem with it no matter what I was doing

[feral geyser]

56?

[frail sleet]

I don't have a problem with wire, and you're saying that what you are doing is easier than what i said. I don't see how that can be true if it's giving you wire problems

[frail sleet]

wrong sign 😄

I agree manifolding can be easier/faster - but that means manifolding the ore into the smelters, there is no need to connect all of the smelters output together afterwards - or the wire made from that output, etc. It's extra work, extra difficulty and adds behaviors which make the factory run objectively worse.

[feral geyser]

I mean, yes, if you are manifolding mk3 belts with 270 in to make wire, that will make 540 out, so you gotta split your outputs into two manifolds at least.

[dim cradle]

We're also different people. I don't see how splitting ingots early into separate machines then making separate wire to fit into each of them is any better than duplicating a blueprint 3-4 times. I just don't like how much space it takes up, and don't like how much wire is pumped out with it

[feral geyser]

Or... don't manifold that many and do smaller individual machines feeding directly into the manufacturer using them

[dim cradle]

And also feels like that's all I'm using the copper for which gets annoying for some reason

[frail sleet]

Not splitting. Just not merging.

Merging it all together to move it a few meters and then splitting it all up again is the bad part, especially if it hits a belt throughput limit.

[dim cradle]

I have a blueprint for 9x smelter array already, the ingots are all one belt from one source input...

[frail sleet]

You can work with that, use the ingots as input, it doesn't mean that you have to merge all of the wire together and then split it back out to cable machines

[dim cradle]

I mean that's just how the constructor array comes out. I would have to instead go and break it apart at multiple stages and then feed that separately into cable makers, when all of the cable does fit on one line and I can just split the inputs of the wire

[charred sandal]

Yall just arguin about preferential play styles?

[dim cradle]

Instead of just taking that cable and inputting it into a manufacturer manifold

I guess?

I guess I'm fighting for my right to complain about wire lol

[charred sandal]

Crazy when screws exist

[dim cradle]

That's the weird part I don't care about screws

they're fine to me mostly

especially when there's a recipe where you just turn a little bit of steel into them

[charred sandal]

I manifold all the intermediate like you, but just because im new and havnt figured out how to make it look good the normal way

[dim cradle]

I'm pretty sure manifolding is the standard way to do things

the blueprint machine lends itself to manifolding

I even manifolded my refineries

[feral geyser]

My blueprints always have either 3 or 6, with just a simple splitter/merger at the front/back.

That way, I can expand them to grouped manifolds if I want, or break them down to individuals easily enough if I need.

[dim cradle]

It kind of depends on what it is, for smelting I developed a vertical manifold since I know later on I'm going to need a lot of smelters to keep up with the amount of ore you can get from miners: #screenshots message

That way it won't take up much horizontal space though I know putting it down is a bit annoying.

For everything else I just have simple horizontal ones so far.

[feral geyser]

My manifolds almost always have an elevated main belt, that splits and passes down to a group of three machines.

[dim cradle]

Because screws have the iron screw recipe I find them pretty easy. I don't think I've had anything take up as much space as wire and cable does in my factory, except maybe my plastic/rubber feedback loop because those are refineries

Maybe I should try another wire recipe sometime too

[feral geyser]

I'm still not seeing your issue. Screws go 1:4, and wire goes 1:2, so if you don't have issues with screws, you shouldn't have issues with wire.

[dim cradle]

you can saturate a whole mk3 belt with 1 machine making screws from 5 steal beams/min though...

[feral geyser]

Yes?

And?

[charred sandal]

Yeah I actually entirely cut out iron ingots (Hope i didnt miss anything)

Gonna do 100% steel

[feral geyser]

Not possible, RIPs will always need iron

[charred sandal]

whats that

[feral geyser]

Reinforced Iron Plates

Cuz plates themselves will always need iron

[charred sandal]

oh yeah, i did figure that out already. Havnt decided if im gonna make them at the steel factory with iron or ship iron to base

[dim cradle]

The whole point was I kind of didn't like how many hoops I had to jump through to separate outputs and manage the sprawl of cable/wire production. I find it tedious. For screws I can just take a smidgen of something I'm already mass producing and instead mass produce screws.

[feral geyser]

So yeah, your problem is literally just over-merging

Don't do that

[dim cradle]

I don't understand what you mean when you say that.

[feral geyser]

You are trying to merge too many outputs together.

[charred sandal]

That only matters if you cap on belt speed , right?

[feral geyser]

It may not be "too many" for your belt speed, but if you then have to go and separate them again, then you're causing your own headache

[dim cradle]

No that's just how the manifold blueprint comes out.... I just break it into sets of 9 merged outputs, but that doesn't take much time (like 3 seconds) nor is really my main issue with them...

[feral geyser]

So is this a case of "i just want something to bitch about" then?

It seems like you know the problem and the solution

[dim cradle]

Sure dude whatever.

[charred sandal]

Why does seperating it cause headaches tho

[dim cradle]

It's not the separating it, I just don't like the sprawl of it to just make some low tier ingredient. Maybe I just didn't get a better wire/cable recipe yet.

[charred sandal]

nah was askin what nyaz meant

[manic topaz]

i thought this said wine and this entire chat was dedicated to running satisfactory on linux

[feral geyser]

If you are merging things just to separate them later, you're doing double work

[manic topaz]

guess not though

[civic reef]

realistically what's the most amount of oil that should be spent on fuel gen power for t5/6

[charred sandal]

I think X machines going into 1 belt which later goes into Y other machines is exponentially less work than X machines with Z belts going into Y machines in a spaghetti like fashion

[silk ocean]

There's no answer for these types of questions - how much do I need of x,y,z.. how much should I be making, etc. Just make what you need and it depends on your factory and how fast you want things to be made

[dense violet]

you could do zero pretty easily

4 coal nodes can get you to tier 7 w/o much effort

[dim cradle]

I'm using full geothermal and 9 sloop generators atm... hopefully that lasts me

[charred sandal]

o.O

[dim cradle]

It's around 26GW

[dense violet]

but it really depends on how big a power system you need and how you want to go about things

you can do diluted fuel pretty early

[civic reef]

oh yeah arent you the guy doing the like, clean energy run?

[dim cradle]

Kinda? I mean I got some coal plants from early on

I'm just not using any oil

[feral geyser]

Lmao fragile ass folks in here

It's funny when people block me

[civic reef]

i swear i cant remember who here was doing like, the full ass clean energy run

[feral geyser]

Imagine hating me

[dim cradle]

It's more of a clean meme run than anything, if you count extradimensional space energy as clean

Idk, a full clean run would be really hard

Because bio burners aren't even clean, they're smogging it up

[charred sandal]

#screenshots message

Made my first spiral while u two were arguin :3

Managed to BP a quarter section and just rotate it 90 degrees

[civic reef]

woah that's pretty

[feral geyser]

Very nice

[charred sandal]

I tried to attach wall outlets along it so I could spin down it for fun, but couldnt get the placement good

[dim cradle]

Maybe I need to just make a vertical constructor manifold to deal with the cable annoyance to be honest. The issue isn't that I have to break it up, I just hate how many constructors I need to make in general to make that cable

🤔 I guess that'll be the next blueprint

[feral geyser]

Caterium wire is really good for saving space, if that's your concern.

But since I'm blocked, you won't know that 😏

[charred sandal]

Is cat wire a good recipe, i skipped it a bunch

[dim cradle]

Oh is that a spiral blueprint for gaining height with the train? That's actually really cool

I need to do something like that, I just derped some ramps up and didn't bother

[feral geyser]

It is, Caterium isn't toooo hard to get

And once you can leach, you can get a better return on it

[dim cradle]

that would def minimize space taken to go up although your transit time is goign to go up a lot

[charred sandal]

Im making 600 cat ingots/min atm and im hoping itll last me forever

[dim cradle]

because you're making no horizontal gains while making vertical ones

[civic reef]

not me cheating in literally all the artifacts because goddamnit i did that in save one and i am omega turbo lazy

[cunning siren]

Never used cat wire 🤔 never "needed" to yet

Iron Wire so good

[dim cradle]

Iron wire makes so little tho compared to the input

but then again there's so much iron on the map...

[feral geyser]

Iron Wire is worse return than regular, but iron is plentiful

[civic reef]

i just wanna build my sprawling roads and bridges to gather all the resources in the world

[silk ocean]

Caty Computers xD

[dim cradle]

Are cat computers good?

I think I have that in my MAM ready for choosing

[cunning siren]

Yea, it's a pain cuz the manifold gets F'n HUGE after a while so... gotta plan for it to grow BIG

[frail sleet]

somewhere between 900-3000 (that makes 30-100 GW of fuel power with HOR > diluted packaged fuel and it also gives you a lot of resin for plastic/rubber)

[silk ocean]

I make them yea, not sure if they are any better tho, just an alternative if you have cat nearby

[dim cradle]

Yeah this is why I need to make a vertical constructor manifold too I guess

[charred sandal]

Yeah Ill prob just stick base recipe for wire tbh.

One pure node outputting 3k ingots/min feels like infinity

[dim cradle]

shouldn't be too much different from my smelter one

3k? I guess you must have mk3 miners up, and overclocked....?

[charred sandal]

all resource machines are fully overclocked

[dim cradle]

Are you using Pure recipe?

[charred sandal]

and then I just process the max on location

Yes

[cunning siren]

I build out ~30x foundations from the first machine to make sure there is enough grow room, that's all that is really needed 🤷

[charred sandal]

Theres that spot with 1 pure copper and 3 pure iron ingots.

I truck in 600 comp coal/min and I make 3k copper ingots and 2400 steel ingots in that spot and send it to base

[dim cradle]

Maybe I need to make a vertical refinery stack somehow too lol

[charred sandal]

and ofc 3k iron

[dim cradle]

Oh you mean like a set of nodes

I was like how is he getting 3k from one single node

[charred sandal]

3k ingots from 1 single node

1200 ore > 3k ingots with pure recipe

[frail sleet]

2228 iron ingots, but yes 3000 copper ingots 😄

[civic reef]

you guys use trucks?

[charred sandal]

sometimes

[dim cradle]

I haven't tried yet but I want to try a truck for giggles

[dim cradle]

I'm guessing you must be on the highest tier belts then.

[charred sandal]

Not yet tbh lmao. I just futureproofed by setting it up for 1200 belts

im on the 780 belts

[dim cradle]

Ah okay so you can't actually make that much yet

[charred sandal]

nah its technically making 1950

until I upgrade the belt from miner to first splitter

[cunning siren]

A 1200 wire Iron Wire manifold is ~54 machines 😆 B I G

[charred sandal]

Wish you could just attach splitters to miners in base game

[dim cradle]

That's part of why I made that vertically recursive smelter instead of a horizontal one

I know later game I'm gonna be needing a really tall stack to process all of that crap lol

[charred sandal]

Yeah I havnt actually made the iron one yet, the 3rd pure iron node is just sitting there waiting lmao

Didnt realize pure iron ingots were slightly worse then pure copper

[dim cradle]

Although I'm wondering if I could maybe make a vertical refiner stack somehow too

but god they're so tall

and I'd have to deal with pumps

maybe should just default to one pump per level

[cunning siren]

You CAN attach off-center lifts to floor holes from miners though... big brain move right there

[charred sandal]

what

[feral geyser]

Yeah idk either

[cunning siren]

Non-grid aligned lifts from miners WILL attach to grid aligned floor holes

[feral geyser]

That sounds like it shouldn't happen

[cunning siren]

I know right?

[charred sandal]

Also, the lift has the exact same limitation as the belt, so whats that do

[dim cradle]

Sorry it's not clicking, what does that do

[charred sandal]

i dont understand what ur saying tbh

[cunning siren]

It makes it so you can use miners with a grid aligned output

[feral geyser]

I mean, you can do that anyway

[dim cradle]

Oh are you the type that processes your stuff on the spot

[cunning siren]

Sometimes

[feral geyser]

Just use a curved belt

But i can see the appeal for design aesthetic

[charred sandal]

Im tired. Are you saying theres a way to by pass the belt limitation from a miner or nah

[dim cradle]

Okay I was pretty confused because I was like, "why do I care if it's grid aligned lol"

[feral geyser]

No

[cunning siren]

I build "UP" so I can go flat 🤷 why lifts from miners works for me

[feral geyser]

It's just letting you connect things that aren't perfectly grid aligned with each other

[charred sandal]

k.

[dense violet]

they have their own learning curve. Gotta plan the factories and paths for them

[charred sandal]

seems like a weird response to what i was sayin but maybe im just too tired, gn all

[dim cradle]

I kind of just belt it back home and/or to the train station so yeah

[feral geyser]

Caterium is one metal that makes sense to process in situ, because of the 3:1 compression with ingots

Less to transport

[cunning siren]

Well, I mean you can attach a splitter to a lift after you attach it to a miner from a floor hole so 🤷 there is that too

[feral geyser]

But not the head that is attached to the miner still, right?

[dim cradle]

I think my first response to every miner I make currently is, "well time to shove 3 slugs into it so it can saturate 1 belt"

[feral geyser]

That's a natural response

[cunning siren]

Yea, I'm not sure how to go about that

[feral geyser]

You can't, that's the point i think

[cunning siren]

You can use the lift as a mount point for splitters though and that's often much simpler than attempting to align a belt from a miner as it's not grid aligned

[untold moat]

T minus 3 days

[feral geyser]

I just drop the lift down from the grid to the level of the miner, then do a belt to the lower lift head

[dim cradle]

So weird though, I have radars on most of the map already. They're only showing at most 5 sloops left rn...

[feral geyser]

But it kinda depends a bit, I tend to not plan out buildings very well

[dim cradle]

I guess a lot of them must be in those places I didn't put one...

Oh nevermind there's like one zone with 5 of them

[cunning siren]

That, or you have most of them 🤷 or maybe a bit of both

[civic reef]

gah why do my precious blenders have to be locked behind Phase 4

[dim cradle]

I have 93 of them

[cunning siren]

Dang, that's a lot

[dim cradle]

There should be exactly 10 left

[feral geyser]

Aluminium

[dim cradle]

I went Pokemon champion on this sh

[civic reef]

i just want to have my clean, ridiculously overpowered diluted fuel

[cunning siren]

I found the floor hole "trick" a few days ago and it's all I use for miners now 😆 so handy to fix the pesky non-aligned node output issue

[civic reef]

the waht now

[dense violet]

use diluted packaged fuel

[feral geyser]

Assuming that's what they need blenders for

There are lots of other blender recipes than just that

[civic reef]

yeah i can package it, but i dont want to package it

[dim cradle]

You can just unpackage right back out

Which kind of seems like a silly loop to do but apparently it works

[cunning siren]

I've never done the packaged diluted fuel thing, seemed to silly for me, I'll just wait

[feral geyser]

It's nice for a fuel depot to fuel trucks

You can get a decent amount for very little oil

[gilded sequoia]

how do i prevent my frames from going from 60 to 10 every once in a while(its not my factory causing it)

[cunning siren]

I did do 2x 250% OC Turbo Diamonds builds though, making that much packaged turbo fuel was kind of silly 🤷 I had diamonds for days though

[warm pendant]

uhh guys how do i destroy the stone on the oil reserve?

[leaden turret]

[gilded sequoia]

bomb?

[civic reef]

does it happen when the game autosaves?

[warm pendant]

nobelisk didnt work

[dim cradle]

I don't think that's a stone on it

[civic reef]

you need a different machine for that

[dim cradle]

you're probably talking about those special sources

[gilded sequoia]

dont think so

[civic reef]

it's a... fracking thing?

[dim cradle]

yeah I think it's a fracking thing

[warm pendant]

how do i use that reserve with stones?

[cunning siren]

Is your PC 🥔 ?

[leaden turret]

might help to post in #screenshots so we're on the same page

[dim cradle]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Resource_Well_Pressurizer#Extractor

oh right I forgot we hate fandom

[gilded sequoia]

its a bit old but it can run BF6(but not MH Wilds)

[dim cradle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Resource_Well_Pressurizer well anyway this thing

[leaden turret]

!wikisearch insert+plus+separated+article+name+here

[cunning siren]

What resolution do you run at 4k?

[civic reef]

how dare you use those sacrilegious texts in here, we are a wiki.gg family here

[leaden turret]

@north cloud I thought the bot was supposed to delete fandom links, not leave them behind after warning?

[dim cradle]

I may have sinned but not in vain (that doesn't make sense)

[gilded sequoia]

1920x1080 is what it says

[dim cradle]

Hmm... I got like 300 coupons now, what do I even use these on...

[civic reef]

i love elevators so much

[cunning siren]

Global Illumination = Off?

[gilded sequoia]

yes

[dim cradle]

Better question is exactly what GPU and whatnot do you have

[civic reef]

thank you for reminding me i need to check on my ticket printers i mean doggos

[cunning siren]

Lower shadow quality and distance and see if that helps

[warm pendant]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1434079370200223796 this

[leaden turret]

oh yeah, that's a a resource well thing. nothing to asplode

[warm pendant]

ahh i need well extractor then

thanks @dim cradle

and @leaden turret

[civic reef]

sweet baby jesus there really is a god, diluted packaged fuel from the first harddrive scan

[dim cradle]

oh so you're doing the degen huh

[civic reef]

hm?

[dim cradle]

Yeah that adhered iron plate looks pretty good

not using much of my rubber for anything

except making plastic faster

[civic reef]

yeah i pulled that second from a reroll

[cunning siren]

If you plan to sink BWD you'll use some rubber later

[civic reef]

im being blessed rn

[dim cradle]

if you're playing solo you can just save scum it anyway tho >.>

[civic reef]

ew why would i do that

[dim cradle]

do what you want because a factory owner is free

[civic reef]

professionals have some standards

[cunning siren]

Using rubber to make more iron plates seems like a bad plan, iron is super ez-mode compared to rubber IMO

[dim cradle]

you're a factory owner

[leaden turret]

worker*

FICSIT is the owner

[dim cradle]

They'll take over my dead body... or their dead body whoever has jurisdiction

[civic reef]

how many train cars should my trains have? like, what's the upper limit?

[dim cradle]

If you use the recycled loop though, rubber and plastic are insanely fast

[feral geyser]

It uses way fewer plates to make RIPs and rubber is basically a byproduct of fuel production

[dim cradle]

Like one loop of almost no oil use can make like something like 1k of both plastic and rubber?

[feral geyser]

900/900 for a pure vein

[cunning siren]

Hummm, I guess if you enjoy making pluber

[feral geyser]

I do 😏

[cunning siren]

Pluber seems like a lot of work for an "eventually" somewhat optional product. I experimented with avoiding plubber last run and found it to be handy. Pluber can spare other resources though 🤷 so I get why it can be an efficent way to do stuff

[dim cradle]

... oh I'm nearly 1500 adaptive control units...

I should really turn these in sometime......

Okay so if I make a vertical refinery stack, will one mk1 pump per floor be fine? idk what the height of a refinery is

[cunning siren]

I doubt it

Maybe if you clip the smoke stack

[gilded sequoia]

my game is now running at 6-7fps and idk wtf happened

[dim cradle]

What are your specs

it's hard to guess what the issue is without knowing what you're workign with

[cunning siren]

Switch Fullscreen modes, that may reset stuff. If that does not help try setting DirectX 11 Graphics API and close out and reload, with older GPU's this can help some issues at the cost of some quality

I gain some FPS running Fullscreen 🤷

[dim cradle]

My laptop with a 4060 can run this without any issues

[cunning siren]

Yea but... 4060 🤷 😆

I'm using a 1080

[dim cradle]

The only other thing I can think of is maybe you have G-Sync capable display and are turning V Sync on, that could cause a lot of issues

I have a 1080 from when I RMA'd a 980 Ti

It's a good card.

[cunning siren]

They gave you a 1080 for an RMA'd 980?

[dim cradle]

980 Ti, not just 980

but yeah they sent me a 980 Ti first but it was also dead so they just sent a 1080

[cunning siren]

Nice

[dim cradle]

I'm not using it tho, the cards I have in active duty atm are my 4090, 3080 Ti, 2080, and this 5070 Ti

[cunning siren]

Woh, you got an army of GPUs

[dim cradle]

just kinda happens... anyway the experience playing this on my laptop is about the same as on any of my other PCs, I don't really think it's very demanding

2080 has no issues either

So I reckon their comp is just way older than they think or there's something fishy afoot

[versed mesa]

Hi good morning all

[cunning siren]

4060 is great for power consumption to FPS ratio, makes perfect sense in a laptop

[dim cradle]

I actually did a full scale fps vs $ chart when I was shopping laptops, for laptops 4060 is where it's at, or was when I got it

Runs this game buttery smooth

[cunning siren]

I'm shocked I can finagle this 1080 to run so well on this game

[dim cradle]

y'know I don't even remember what I was using 3 years ago when I last played this through nuclear...

similarly ran just fine even at huge sizes

[cunning siren]

The TSR Upscaling setting makes a HUGE difference in my situation. It would look and run bad without that

[quiet summit]

@indigo hare may be you're train station is must be turn at 180°

[dim cradle]

what DID I have 3 years ago lol.... probably the 3080 Ti if I had to guess

that thing was a strong card tho, no wonder it would chew this up and spit it out

[indigo hare]

No

[versed mesa]

Either today or tomorrow am going to get back on the game and work on building my Nuclear power plant i did go to start it but I really need to get cracking on it so I can produce the other stuff to work on completing phase 5

[indigo hare]

It's definitely the right way

Oh my god nvm

How have I done this

[quiet summit]

check your path signal and block signal ?

[quiet summit]

if you wanna to show me, i'm here (in a livestream)

[indigo hare]

Well that's embarassing, I just spent 10 minutes tracing the whole route and checking each signal, and the issue was a backwards train station

[cunning siren]

It's funny how slugs early game are like slimy gold and end game they are kind of a meme cuz sythentic shards 😆

[dim cradle]

haven't gotten to synth shard but even then got so many slugs lol

[quiet summit]

i told you !!

[dim cradle]

from hunting down these sloops

[quiet summit]

[dim cradle]

Alright 10 sloops left on the entire map puts on Rambo bandanna

oh wait 2 of them are inside of uranium

takes off Rambo bandanna

[quiet summit]

go meet "tutulle the tarantula"

[dim cradle]

Lol I built a little panic hut just for tarantula combat

because they're basically in every sloop cave

The way I know there's a sloop cave is I hear them crawling through the wall

#screenshots message

[pine magnet]

Woah-

[quiet summit]

pretty nice

[cunning siren]

If you build hub near the sloop you can just throw wave after wave of pioneers at the uranium rock till you slowly wear it down 😆 Ultimate sacrifice it's the Ficsit way!

[dim cradle]

Technically...

[pine magnet]

Um guys im kinda looking for a group-? Or friends to say um who could help me in satisfactory

I dont mind vcing! And stufff
I put mah thingy in looking for groups

I just need a bit of guidance is allll plus i wanna socialize-