satisfactory

[lone widget]

its super odd and intermittent. sometimes when i open the game sometimes just sitting here now but prior to 2 hours ago it was only when playing this game

[silk ocean]

Tried removing all USB (apart from K+M) ?

[weary stream]

i put down a blueprint and im trying to delete it with the "delete blueprint" thingy
but it wont work

like it highlights the whole thing but it doesnt let me delete it

[lone widget]

i had zero problems before playing satisfactory lol. new windows install as well new drivers new bios the only hardware change was new ram kit back in may haven't played this game in over a year

[versed mesa]

Idk its been some time since I turned it on lol

[silk ocean]

Normally if you got bad memory you'd get a BSOD like MEMORY_MANAGEMENT or similar, although bad memory can trigger basically any kernel panic I guess

It's less likely to just insta hard power off

[silk ocean]

Oh right lol

[lone widget]

ill figure it out one day i did not mean to drive the topic that way

[silk ocean]

PC needed to play Satisfactory to chat about Satisfactory xD

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean its just sitting there in my livingroom infront of my tv and radiator

[lone widget]

if the pc dies ill steal my kids his is pretty beffy too

[silk ocean]

Try not to roast it xD

[silk ocean]

is it only Satis this happens in?

[weary stream]

ok turns out dismantle mode is weird if there are rails in the blueprint

[lone widget]

2 hours ago it went into this loop where when booting it would says windows was dead could not fix i spent time playing with it reseated the ram and bam im back

but otherwise yes only with this game we play

[silk ocean]

Have you tried doing a DDU?
Standard DDU procedure -> put DDU and latest drivers on desktop -> msconfig -> Safe Mode -> Unplug Ethernet -> Reboot safe mode -> Run DDU and remove drivers -> msconfig Normal Boot -> Reboot -> Install new drivers -> plug back Ethernet -> Reboot 🙂

Could be collateral damage from all the power-off'ing

[lone widget]

this is a test if anything just seeing if im stable running low power stuff

i did that stuff last week i think im out of troubleshooting energy for tonight. new windows new drivers new everything clearing the cmos let it run for a couple days without issues then back to weirdness. launching steam is no issue but botting the game right now is scary

[silk ocean]

What about synthetic bench like Cinebench or Prime95+Furmark - validate if it's the PSU falling over under load, etc

or OCCT

[rustic pier]

im a little proud of myself here .. #screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Tidy

[lone widget]

speaking of the game the last thing i did was add a sushi belt across the map and do a consolidated storage area with maybe 20 smart splitters then my pc popped out

[rustic pier]

should have taken a before picture lol

[lone widget]

stress testing the pc has no negative results temp wise i only hit 80c

[silk ocean]

Previous one was wild spaghetti? XD

[rustic pier]

running off the pressurized node there. It looked a mess lol.

[silk ocean]

Not so concerned about temps, more why it is just powering off

[rustic pier]

i did clean it up once before. but i completely removed everthing and started over

[silk ocean]

Sometimes it's the best solution

[rustic pier]

When i wanted to set up for rocket fuel i figured id just wipe it out and rebuild 😄

[lone widget]

im doing the clean up thing now and i keep forgetting what start up factories i have deleted. got trigger happy

[silk ocean]

There is so much of my fac I need to tear down and rebuild, just too lazy

[rustic pier]

i am using a drone to carry nitric acid from the north west of the map lol

[lone widget]

ill figure it out i dont think its the psu at all never crossed my mind.

ys know one thing i have never used is trains i set one up for the achivment but thats it laying track is complicated never does what i want

[rustic pier]

hehe right.

i have a train coming down to the fuel area from my hub and its the first one i made.. may have adjusted some stuff.

[silk ocean]

Prob not but could be, the whole sudden hard-off thing is what made it seem suspicious

[rustic pier]

i have it bring compacted coal and right now i am letting the old coal reserves deplete before i connect the new storage containers 😄

It also brings other materials to transfer to another train that goes up to the monstrosity lol

[lone widget]

im running fine right now i could do furmark right quick again just to see may disappear

[silk ocean]

Only if you want to, if it's working etc xD

[dense violet]

Just us a pump. does the same thing

[lone widget]

furmark defiantly gets the temp up much more than any game holding at 79c

[dense violet]

it's really a ton more hoops for no real benefit

[lone widget]

ah but why use ten pumps when i can use one. the water tower if you get it higher than the rest of the build you no longer need any pumps

[silk ocean]

It's called the Doughnut of Doom for a reason xD

[dense violet]

because connecting up a ton of pipes into one system is generally not advised and it's an exploit?

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean this is what I get on motherboard motherboard error code 9a

[dense violet]

out of the 'stupid things to do with pipes' list it's probably the least likely to break a system, but it's still dumb

[lone widget]

well the doom doughnut is doing diddly squat to my pc im gonna rule psu out

[silk ocean]

It's a great video stress tester, one of the best

[silk ocean]

What's the motherboard?

[silk ocean]

Stack the CPU as well with like Prime95, GPU is only half the picture

[versed mesa]

I think if I remember correctly its Asus board abd I have i9 cpu

[silk ocean]

Prob best not to thrash it tbh, probably not the PSU

Don't melt it xD

[lone widget]

prim 95 running as well

[silk ocean]

Can you run like CPU-Z and check the mainboard tab

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean someone said once to me the motherboard has caputed

[silk ocean]

Maybe

[lone widget]

is hardware info or cpuz better

[silk ocean]

Either will do

[rustic pier]

anybody use smart splitters explicitly to control the belt flow..

[silk ocean]

Just want to know the motherboard SKU so I can read the manual on that code

[lone widget]

i have both

[rustic pier]

i/o kinda thing lol

[silk ocean]

Kinda serve different purposes, HWINFO64 is more comprehensive and sensor monitoring, etc

[lone widget]

wait you where talking to the other guy

[dense violet]

no?

[rustic pier]

ok must just be my insanity lol..

[silk ocean]

You can always use lower Mk belts to control flow xD

[dense violet]

clock your machines to put what you need on your belt

[rustic pier]

well for the more advanced stuff i like to not make more machines and just have everything piped to them and then release it into the circuit for production .. lol

[lone widget]

im shutting down furmark and prim 95 its obviously not a psu problem

[silk ocean]

Yea doesn't seem to be a prob

Remember to right click Prime95 tray icon and exit there, it can still run in the background otherwise, I'm sure you know this

[silk ocean]

Just remember to adjust supply if you add more machines, easy to forget and they get starved xD

[warm pendant]

dang getting the alternate craft for screws using 5iron is awesome

[rustic pier]

yeah i have like multiple crates to supply for some of the materials.. runs out quick lol

[lone widget]

yeah its off. i was a tech wizard last year but if i dont keep up i lose it fast i cant even read logs anymore they are overwhelming

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean this is what Google says about my error code https://www.google.com/search?q=asus+motherboard+code+9a&sca_esv=6d9773df8986f1e8&sxsrf=AE3TifPL8SD1XelyHrMKRoux801egHI08w%3A1761633212990&ei=vGMAaY-jPKathbIP6fTNsQY&oq=asus+motherboard+error+9A&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhlhc3VzIG1vdGhlcmJvYXJkIGVycm9yIDlBKgIIADIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB5IwYMBUPEIWIddcAB4ApABAJgBqgKgAboIqgEFNi4yLjG4AQHIAQD4AQGYAgqgAo8JwgIEEAAYR8ICChAAGIAEGEMYigXCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICBRAAGIAEmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcHNy4yLjAuMaAHhiyyBwc2LjIuMC4xuAeLCcIHBTItNS41yAdQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#sbfbu=1&pi=asus motherboard code 9a

Lol

[silk ocean]

Mother of URLs

is Legacy USB disabled in BIOS, if not try enabling that, remove anything non-essential, etc

Other way around - disable Legacy USB support xD

is what I was trying to say 😄

It probably is disabled, usually is by default these days

[versed mesa]

Who me ?

[silk ocean]

Yah

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean i can't do nothing

[silk ocean]

Oh it literally won't POST at all

[versed mesa]

Nothing loads up on screen

[silk ocean]

Done* a CMOS jumper reset?

[lone widget]

if you are really stuck you could try clearing the cmos as long as zatie thinks its ok

[silk ocean]

or Reset button on back if it has one

[versed mesa]

Idk

@silk ocean theres no reset button on back its on the board it self

[lone widget]

it might be on the bottome of the motherboard inside the computer

[silk ocean]

There will be a reset jumper that needs to be closed on the board, if you check the manual

[versed mesa]

I see

[lone widget]

or if you have a visable battery i do not on my board

[silk ocean]

Yea could unplug the power, then remove that lithium cell for a few minutes, if easy to do so

[versed mesa]

I ain't messing with it now I just wanted to mention it to someone because ive not seen anyone really about it part from 1 person

[versed mesa]

I did that once so what I did do when that issue occurred i tried unplugging and keeping hold of power button and re try powering it up and eventually i did get it to load and I restarted again and did it again would not start up and I could not get it to load up ever since that day

[rustic pier]

well imma go to bed. lol

[lone widget]

im out for the night fellas. good luck with the problems dynasty and thanks for the help zatie

[silk ocean]

Sleep well xD

No worries, not that I achieved much as usual lol

[versed mesa]

Good night guys

[silk ocean]

Odd yea, possibly dealing with a USB controller failure of some sort

[versed mesa]

Can this be fixed or not ?

[silk ocean]

Well ideally CMOS needs to be reset, possibly flash latest BIOS again, if the problem still persists it might be a case of disabling the onboard USB controller (one by one if you can) and/or worst case scenario disabling them all but not before installing a PCI-E USB card and using that instead

[versed mesa]

If i had someone near ne I'd pay them to take a look at it for me

[silk ocean]

This is all assuming there is actually something broken with the controller, might just be something else BIOS related

Yea if you're not comfortable doing these things then definitely find someone who is

[versed mesa]

No idea ever since I did windows update the problem started when I went to restart

[silk ocean]

I'd be surprised if that isn't anything more than a coincidence, you're not in Windows at that stage, it's early system initialization

[versed mesa]

Theys days I kind dont feel upto messing with computer its been so long and was me who built it lol

@silk ocean you live in UK ?

[dense violet]

wait till you get the steel one

[silk ocean]

Yep

[versed mesa]

Me to

[silk ocean]

Resetting the CMOS isn't a big deal

You just need a jumper

[warm pendant]

i do hope i get that lol btw are the hard drive research gives random ?

[versed mesa]

I think i tried that onces atleast take battery out

[dense violet]

yup

based on what items you have unlocked

[silk ocean]

If anything, unplug it, take the battery out, leave it overnight

That will reset it almost certainly

[versed mesa]

I see

[silk ocean]

The BIOS settings are in volatile memory, without constant power they get lost

Hence the battery

[versed mesa]

Maybe one day ill mess with it again

[restive crest]

Anyone know the cost of this game on ps5?

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean tbh the size of the case is taken up room it so big its atx full size case lol

[versed mesa]

Not yet released soon though

[silk ocean]

It looked quite spacious from your photos xD

[versed mesa]

Its not so big

[silk ocean]

When does the console version release, soon isn't it? 4th Nov?

[versed mesa]

Yes

[silk ocean]

I wonder when 1.2 is coming xD

[versed mesa]

Some saying 2026

[silk ocean]

Which isn't all that far away at least xD

[versed mesa]

Nope

[silk ocean]

Q4 2026 lol jokes

[versed mesa]

Lmfao

[worthy cosmos]

copper rotor or bolted frame

[versed mesa]

Imma gonna throw my self out my ground floor window lmfao

[worthy cosmos]

or rescan

[silk ocean]

Copper rotor maybe? xD

[versed mesa]

Ill be landing on my communal garden grass

[silk ocean]

Then roll around in a tantrum - Q4 2026 WHAT xD

[versed mesa]

Nah not q4

Maybe Jan 2026

[silk ocean]

Yea sounds more likely xD

[silk ocean]

Bolted Frame needs loads of screws, if you want to eliminate screws then best avoided

[worthy cosmos]

i can reroll

[versed mesa]

They want console players to have some time with this current version until they drop the update

[silk ocean]

Seems fair

[silk ocean]

If neither take your fancy, go for it

[versed mesa]

So maybe upto 2 months wait time

[silk ocean]

tbf I wasn't expecting it until at least early 2026 anyways

[versed mesa]

😢

[silk ocean]

Hasn't been that long since 1.1

[worthy cosmos]

oh copper rotor is actually pretty baller

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean close to Christmas will be a surprise release

[silk ocean]

Copper Rotor is quite good yea

[silk ocean]

Crimbo present xD

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[silk ocean]

Still needs a lot of screws tho xD

Both of those alts do

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean they defo been making sales and much more when console release drops

[silk ocean]

Console is a pretty big market

[versed mesa]

Yup

People are ready to buy it right now theres a list waiting for the release day lol

[silk ocean]

I can imagine

[warm pendant]

finally producing 10,000 power only using coal generators atm

building tons of coal generator is tiring damn

[versed mesa]

I bet lol

And all that water

[warm pendant]

had to travel to my main factory to carry materials

[versed mesa]

Nukeclear needs much more water lol

[warm pendant]

like how much?

[silk ocean]

480/min if you overclock, per reactor

[versed mesa]

Alot like I think 4 extractors is enough for 2 plants lol

4 or 5 extractors

[warm pendant]

only built coal generators in rocky since i spawn here

maybe ill explore later once the farm is done

[versed mesa]

Then thousands of pipes for the water alone lol

Its mind blown lol

[warm pendant]

im not gonna get a head of myself for that lol

i dont want to get burn out to the contents hahah

[versed mesa]

Nah I would not i dont know how i want my nukeclear factory to look lol

[versed mesa]

Am already there lmfao

[warm pendant]

im still enjoying my t4 builds right now

ang gonna make materials now

[versed mesa]

Nice what phase you on ?

[warm pendant]

phase 2 lol

[versed mesa]

Or nice

I bet you really enjoying the game

[warm pendant]

hell yeah im enjoying it now

now that i understand on how do i make my factories

[versed mesa]

Sweet

[warm pendant]

more efficient than what i did first

nobelisk can destroy this poop stone structure right?

they are annoying cuz they damage me

[sharp spade]

I have no idea why my computer gets really hot when I play Satisfactory

It doesn't do this with any other game. buh.

[cursive crane]

Cpu heavy game

[hard ivy]

Both CPU and GPU

[silk ocean]

Yeah it leverages both quite willingly

[sharp spade]

"oooOOOOOH MY PCCCCC"

[magic trench]

damn it lol, tried to post in #1201555265942724758 but included the word pasion and got shafted by the filter

and now i have to wait 6 hours before i can post again😩

[silk ocean]

What's so significant about that word?

What does it even mean anyway

[magic trench]

how did discord land on this dogshit design for enforcing forum slowmode

[magic trench]

spanish for passion

[silk ocean]

So you write those 6 letters and can't post for 6 hours? dafuq

[magic trench]

La Pasión is a Dexter reference

[silk ocean]

Good show

[magic trench]

eh mid

[hard ivy]

I think it's LFG that just has a 6h slowmode

[silk ocean]

Oh right

[magic trench]

that's what i just said 😭

[silk ocean]

Misunderstood, thought you were referring to slowmode in this chan, which can also be a bit restrictive

But certainly not 6 hours xD

[magic trench]

the dumbest part is that it was never posted

it got rejected by the filter and slowmode was triggered anyway

[silk ocean]

Oh you thought about making a post did you?
--> that's 6 hours for you sunshine
xD

[warm pendant]

question if my driller makes 120/h and i use mk3 belt to feed a factory that need 240/h dont i need to overclock my drill ?

[silk ocean]

Doubleclock it to 240

[warm pendant]

drill still have to match what the factory needs right?

[silk ocean]

Well yea you need to source enough to satisfy input demand, whether that be overclocking or combining multiple miners together

[warm pendant]

aight just got a bit confused since mk3 belt delivers 270/h

might stick to overclocking em drillers

[silk ocean]

You can just run 240 over that Mk.3 if that's all you need

[warm pendant]

yeah its all i need for now

[silk ocean]

I think 270 is just convenient for some setups, not 100% sure why Mk.3 is 270 but I think that's the reason

Recipes that take 45/min goes nicely into 270

[hard ivy]

Has to? No. If it makes more, it'll just turn on and off every now and then. It's not an issue

[sudden thistle]

why is my platform not being loaded? #screenshots message

oh sorry it needed power

[magic trench]

oh

is mk.3 unlocked at the same time as basic steel?

that foundry recipe is 45/min iirc

[silk ocean]

There are tier 3/4 recipes that take 45/min which is around the time you unlock Mk3 belts, so it kinda goes hand in hand

[magic trench]

i still hate it but i'm a little calmer about it now

[silk ocean]

xD

Basic Steel is tier 3, Advanced Steel and Mk.3 belts are Tier 4

[magic trench]

i just speed run mk.5 so i can start abusing sushi belts

everything before is ass

placing a manufacturer without sushi feels wrong

[silk ocean]

Make sure you got smart splitters if going down the quagmire of sushi xD

[magic trench]

i am the biggest sushi fanatic out there

[silk ocean]

I've used a bit of sushi here and there

[magic trench]

it's the best thing and severely underused because people don't understand it idk why

or maybe they don't trust it

[silk ocean]

I trust it, it's just limited capacity

[magic trench]

yea fair

[silk ocean]

and if you're doing multiple sushi belts you may as well not and just run each mat down each belt

[magic trench]

i typically don't build late game parts at scale

haven't built big yet except for power

[silk ocean]

My very late game stuff is not particularly large scale either

[dusky topaz]

how can i travel great distances fast in mid game

[silk ocean]

Hypercannons

[sudden thistle]

hypertube?

[dusky topaz]

huh

[dusky topaz]

havent unlocked them

[silk ocean]

Google/YouTube how to make them, make sure you have a jetpack xD

[sudden thistle]

unlock them then

[magic trench]

in that case

[sudden thistle]

zipline?

[dusky topaz]

i cant

[sudden thistle]

what have you unlocked so far?

[dusky topaz]

steel

[magic trench]

feet work usually. feet and sliding and jetpack

[dusky topaz]

i dont have a jetpack

[magic trench]

rip

[sudden thistle]

where are you traveling to?

[magic trench]

those buggies are pretty good

[hard ivy]

I don't have a reason to use it. I don't see the benefits tbh

[dusky topaz]

1500m

[sudden thistle]

yeah do you have any vehicles

[magic trench]

a) looks cool
b) looks cool
c) looks cool
d) easier logistics if you balance your numbers

[dusky topaz]

no

[magic trench]

4 belts going into manufacturers? no siree, not for me

[native frost]

When u unlock them

Oh ingore me

[hard ivy]

The item management you need to do to make sure this doesn't break is way more effort than just connecting 4 belts to a manufacturer

[magic trench]

unlock them lol, you can get the buggy in the quartz tree and they go like 100km/h

otherwise you're stuck with the next best thing: human legs

[turbid merlin]

I need to do this

[dusky topaz]

i got the tractor

[native frost]

I aint home but looking forward to optimising and construction

Jetpack

[sudden thistle]

well then you dont really have any options for right now

just get hypertubes asap

[magic trench]

it's a different kind of effort, you just need to spend some extra time on the numbers. routing sushi belts are so much easier compared to 4 belts per manufacturer

[dusky topaz]

i got the tractor

[magic trench]

and idk about you but i spend way too much time rigging up individual belts, i cannot be bothered. sushi just does the job

[sudden thistle]

well i guess theres that

[magic trench]

can't you outrun a tractor

[silk ocean]

Fairly easily if you crouchjump I think

With bladerunners

[hard ivy]

I just use auto-connect blueprints. And I kinda do everything to avoid doing basic math

[sudden thistle]

why can trains only take 1600 fluid?

seems weird when the industrial fluid buffer takes 2400

[silk ocean]

You can add more cars

[hard ivy]

I mean it makes sense considering an ISC has 48 stacks and an item wagon 32

Same ratio

[silk ocean]

3 cars is 2 industrial fluid buffers also

[sudden thistle]

i suppose thats true

[silk ocean]

One for each deck of the station

Split 3 ways

[native frost]

If im making 120/min iron should i make 6 factorys 2 for each earlier game resource

[magic trench]

because they like to make fluids painful

[native frost]

Not factorys but constructors

[magic trench]

go for it

[sudden thistle]

it does seem like fluids are a bit messy

like my oil fuel power was cutting out earlier and its hard to get the ratio exactly correct

[native frost]

Thank you tinoy ill make a statue in you honour

[magic trench]

pipe manifolds are the most infuriating thing ever

[hard ivy]

Better than pipe balancers kekw

[sudden thistle]

whats a pipe manifold?

[hard ivy]

But also, putting them above the machine inputs/outputs makes them a non-issue

[native frost]

I aint gotten to fluid dynamics yet

[silk ocean]

Just build the supports and connect pipes between then, and then add the splitters inline with the inputs, easy when you get the hang

[magic trench]

manifolds are when you have a bunch of splitters/mergers with a single belt. same thing with pipes EXCEPT THEY DON'T WORK AS EXPECTED

[silk ocean]

Work fine here

[magic trench]

you've never had issues with 4 blenders -> 600/min RF in a single mk. 2 pipe -> fuel generators?

[hard ivy]

They do tho

[silk ocean]

Loop the input manifold

[magic trench]

well i know that now

[hard ivy]

I don't loop anything and it still works fine 🤷‍♂️

[silk ocean]

Yea tbf I've only looped at Turboblend*

[magic trench]

you need loops at the merging & splitting to have a guaranteed working system

[hard ivy]

All of mine work fine just fine without them. So no, you definitely don't need, them

[magic trench]

RF is an entirely different beast. until you've done 600/min going to a fuck ton of generators, you'll think i sound crazy

[magic trench]

objectively incorrect, it's not possible in this current build of satisfactory

i don't know what black magic you did

sorry, i'm talking about RF manifolds

[hard ivy]

I guess I gotta do a test build then

[magic trench]

both of these things cause issues with fluids from my experience (i have 0 clue why)

• high throughput fluid outputs RF blender outputs 150/min, x4=600/min, and if you don't loop that, big problems
• too many low throughput consumers

[hard ivy]

In my experience, the more producers you have, the worse the flow gets

I never had issues with <5 producers on a 600/min pipe

It's the ones with 20 that needed fixing

[magic trench]

i've just gotten used to looping my manifolds. i love me my fully saturated 600/min pipes

i see it this way: fluids have free will, and only behave reasonably if you give them more ways to flow

[wintry carbon]

i just unlocked oil and fuel generator, was wondering what alt recipes i should use as i did not used any of them yet.

[tall lantern]

defaults are fine for a first time. They might not be the most oil-efficient, but they're simpler to start out with

[hard ivy]

Heavy Oil Residue, Diluted Packaged Fuel, Recycled Rubber, Recycled Plastic and Residual Rubber

Most oil efficient recipes you can get. 4-4.5 better than defaults

[tall lantern]

if you want the most oil efficiency but much more complexity, then those are the winners

[wintry carbon]

any basic stuff i should use for screws, ores and steel?? i am in grasslands.

[silk ocean]

Iron Ore? xD

[hard ivy]

You should get basically every alt you can

[wintry carbon]

so better save them all up first?

[magic trench]

up to you - you can always build more factories with the more efficient alts

[hard ivy]

You should only take recipes right before you're about to use them

[jolly quiver]

anyone know if i can destroy these things? #screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Nobelisks, if you can at all?

Kaboom blow it into space.....if possible XD

[dense violet]

which ever ones you think are useful to your situation

saved recipes do you no good

[silk ocean]

or spend a day getting all teh drives and unlock everything

[jolly quiver]

yup, thanks!

[sterile blade]

@limpid cairn "Sushi" just refers to a belt carrying more than one kind of item. Wether you decide to split the sushi into single-item belts to feed a machine or just shove the sushi into one input directly, that's up to you to decide ^^

[limpid cairn]

[sterile blade]

It might be obvious to say, but shoving sushi into one input of a machine is one of the "riskiest" feeding methods, as it doesn't leave room for overflow management (thus any issue in the production/transport of the inputs is likely going to cause the machine to clog)

[sterile blade]

Bold words...

[magic trench]

we are the biggest sushi fanatics out there

[nocturne mason]

#screenshots message @jolly quiver Possible with Nobelisk

[magic trench]

the latter is only for edge cases tho

[jolly quiver]

yeah dw your emojis helped me out! thanks

[nocturne mason]

👍

[magic trench]

did they assume I was doing a single input sushi? 😨

[sterile blade]

Just user preference. It can save some space but at the cost of fragility (system is "cloggable"), wether that's "worth it" is ofc highly subjective

[magic trench]

system should never clog

[nocturne mason]

just wanted to make sure it was understood correctly 🙂

[jolly quiver]

yeah no problem

[magic trench]

my motivation for this is the fact that Ada (very lovingly) has a kill switch made specifically for me

[sterile blade]

Not all systems that could clog do (ie: with no mistakes, one can avoid overflow management; it's just that if mistakes are made, the effects will be quite noticeable rather that just overflowing away )
It's like playing with clockwork: seeing everything work, while knowing how little it would take for everything to not work, can add to the enjoyment ^^

[magic trench]

I would love to do one of those, but then I'm limiting myself to one machine that can accept any of those parts

imo kinda antithetical to the practical side of sushi belts, which is simplifying beltwork

[sterile blade]

To be precise, you're limiting yourself to one recipe that can accept those items without overflow ("normal" sushi, with sushifolds, is still possible). With programmable splitters, you can split that belt to feed as many machines as you want/can too

[magic trench]

so then that's just sushi belts but with organization

[sterile blade]

I'm not big on semantics 😅

[magic trench]

cause I reintroduce the output into the main belt anyway

at that point, you have a return belt, so it's just idk kinda pointless to not send the main belt there anyway

[magic trench]

so I would realistically never do this

also I want to build a sushi belt for machines that take liquid by adding packagers but that's just a dream for now

[leaden turret]

looks at toilet

[silk ocean]

Where does the toilet go, that is the interesting question, I see no plumbing

[sterile blade]

It teleports the waste away to be dumped on Ficsit's competitors

[silk ocean]

Goes up the middle of the space elevator

[leaden turret]

ficshit

[silk ocean]

xD

[shy mulch]

Toilet waste is dumped straight into the ground and is consumed by paleberry plants

[silk ocean]

What about the nuclear waste

Direct to groundwater

[shy mulch]

normal hogs and spiders eat that, it's what makes them into radioactive ones

[magic trench]

there's radioactive spiders??

[scenic mirage]

i have like 8 smelter lines outputting 600 ingot/min. would yall compress those into fully saturated belts or just use the 600 ingot conveyors

[magic trench]

I smell nuclear pasta

[reef basin]

I would put it on conveyors in a way that it fits the next nicely

so e.g. if next step needs 450 ingots, I'd merge smelters to make 450 on one belt

[magic trench]

why is ur handle familiar

[scenic mirage]

nope lol iron, im making 1000 steel ingot/min and it needs ~667 coal and iron/min

[scenic mirage]

how would you do that

[magic trench]

are u a mod dev or something?

[reef basin]

have a group of smelters that makes exactly what the next step needs and merge that?

[magic trench]

🫠

[reef basin]

no I'm not

[magic trench]

nvm I checked ur gh

mr tools

[hard ivy]

I would use an 8:n balancer lol. Or 8:n mixer I guess. I need to start using those more

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
my smelters are 8 in a line

works perfectly with a normal node mk3 miner

and when i get mk6 conveyors i can use a pure mk3 miner and split that into 2 lines

[reef basin]

yeah and I wouldn't do that 🙂 I would make lines based on next step

[scenic mirage]

wdym

[reef basin]

I mean still the same thing, if next step needs 450/min, I'd build a line of smelters making 450/min
if next step needs 220/min, I'd build a line making 220/min

[scenic mirage]

rn im just doing 600 per line and then compress them all into saturated lines

and then i take off that

[magic trench]

i cannot comprehend this

I am too stupid I think

what does it mean to compress into saturated lines

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't smelt more ingots than I need. And I doubt you need exactly 4800 ingots

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

[scenic mirage]

not right now but i wanna have it in case ill need it later down the line

[magic trench]

oh I've seen those

[reef basin]

make what you need now, not what you may or may not need in the future

[hard ivy]

Why make it now when you'll only need it later? And probably more/less than exactly 4800

[reef basin]

yeah, that's why I wouldn't do it. Many people build belts of materials and then ask "how do I take 250 out of this", while they could've built it so that they make 250 directly

you're creating your own problems this way

[scenic mirage]

fair

so just manifold the smelters?

[hard ivy]

I'm not yet fully convinced that these are actually fully functional compressors tbh

[reef basin]

figure out how much you need now, build that much. It will naturally fit because you're only making the amount you need

[magic trench]

yea you can just do the priority/overflow logic right there for saturating belts if you want

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
it mostly works, i think theres a way to make it better too

[magic trench]

but it's so much easier if you start with the with the factory's final outputs and then trickle back to the raw resources & alts

[scenic mirage]

idk how much of the final outputs i need tho lol

[magic trench]

like the preemptive resource allocation problem is entirely avoidable

[reef basin]

well you should go figure that out then, before you build the factory 🙂

[hard ivy]

I would build a mixer with smart splitters tbh. Haven't tested it yet but it should work perfectly. The way these are built makes me think they have some failure scenario that's just way too specific or obscure for most people to notice or care

[magic trench]

if you haven't finished the game yet, it's best to build modular at every stage if you don't want to spoil recipes that are unlocked later on

[reef basin]

relevant read: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[scenic mirage]

im phase 4 and tryna rebuild my factory

[reef basin]

don't rebuild, just build the new stuff you need

[magic trench]

just don't plan ahead yet, it's impossible to see through mud

[reef basin]

keep the old stuff working

[magic trench]

yea just keep building

[scenic mirage]

its so obvious its crazy i havent seen it yet 🤦‍♂️ 😂

[silk ocean]

Unless you have a more efficient alt recipe solution might justify a rebuild

[reef basin]

it's still better to build a new factory with new recipe rather than rebuilding the old one

[silk ocean]

That's generally what I do yea

[magic trench]

rebuilding gives me a migraine, I'd rather build anew personally

[reef basin]

the only relevant reason for rebuilding is "I'm out of resource X", which usually doesn't happen at all, or very very late in the game

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
this is why im rebuilding

[silk ocean]

Oh yea, I can't be bothered to tear down the earlier stuff XD

[hard ivy]

The only things I rebuild are factories from phase 1 and early phase 2

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
#screenshots message

[magic trench]

most people never run out of resource nodes, especially not in their first playthroughs. just find more stuff and build more

I wish I kept my very first few factories around from when I started playing. would have been fun to look back

instead I tore down and rebuilt 🥲

[silk ocean]

Same as KYO I basically only tore down the starter fac tiers 1-3

Everything else is still running, albeit inefficiently in some areas

[reef basin]

who cares if it's "inefficient" (whatever that may mean to you), it's still working. If you dismantle it, it won't run at all.

[silk ocean]

Yea I just leave it, it fills about 10 depots, does the job, supplies materials, ignore and carry on

[shy mulch]

In my main save I still have all my old factories, even my phase 1 mini-spaghetti. Sometimes I enjoy just going a walk/fly around and looking back at how I've progressed

[scenic mirage]

i have my save pre release

i gave up when i got to phase 3 i think when i started using blueprints

i never did anything w the MAM

[shy mulch]

sounds difficult haha

ignoring the mam sounds like a major self-inflicted headache

[scenic mirage]

yeah my stubborn ass 😭

even in this save i didnt wanna touch the MAM but i knew i had to to progress

[hard ivy]

Why would you want to not touch the mam

[scenic mirage]

i got a lot going on in my head and sometimes doing smth new or differently is hard 🤷‍♂️

[shy mulch]

Someone mentioned the idea of doing a full playthrough without using the MAM at all. I'd consider giving that a go after I finish my biomass-only run

[round matrix]

biomass only is diabolical

[scenic mirage]

is that even possible? like you need quickwire and stuff

[shy mulch]

Yes it's possible

[dim cradle]

Apparently while you're tumbling away from the sloop, you ignore all falling damage #screenshots message

The sloop generator I mean w/e it's called

also funny enough if you land in the water you can walk underwater temporarily

until you jump anyway

I wanna do some funny tests with this so I'm doing... a lot of hypertubes leading up to a sloop

[shy mulch]

I'm enjoying it. I'm at 80 burners right now, giving 2400MW which is fine for phase 3. The plan was to overclock them all to 6000 MW for phase 4, and figure out phase 5 when I get there. But I've realised the way I've laid out the building is going to be restrictive for belt throughput when I overclock, so I'm gonna rebuild the whole thing the same schematic but a lot more spread out so I have room to grow without making it look a total mess

[round matrix]

i see. though are you not spending a lot of time just.. collecting biomass? how do you have time to build anything anymore...

[dim cradle]

the most compressed biomass burns for quite a while

[shy mulch]

Every step, leaves/wood/mycelia/dna into biomass, then biomass into solid biomass, then solid biomass into liquid biofuel, is all slooped, so it really multiples up nicely

[dim cradle]

so its mostly just a lot of splitters and a very full container

Yeah if you sloop it I can see it working but

[shy mulch]

Lots and lots of containers 😂😭

[dim cradle]

Doesn't it take a lot of energy just to do the slooping, so you're kind of outweighing the slooping?

[shy mulch]

It does use energy but it works out a net positive anyway. And I underclock the slooped machines which also helps

[dim cradle]

I guess you must have a very high body count

murder everything in sight and then some

[shy mulch]

I like shooting aliens, so than helps. I also get very chainsaw-happy

[dim cradle]

You know what I'm kind of wondering

if you could somehow create an automated killbox somewhere

aliens only don't spawn if you have powered building nearby right

what if you had the entire ground carpeted in belts, leading to a ravine with a box at the bottom

[round matrix]

right i forgot about liquid biofuel.. yea i suppose that would work for a good while then huh.. you expecting to finish the game with this? also i imagine this expensive power consumption would also make you build smaller factories, no?

[dim cradle]

Or just put train lines going everywhere

[shy mulch]

Aliens have fixed spawn points, so there's places I can go every game-day and know exactly where they will be

[dim cradle]

like back and forth across spawn spots

assuming that trains kill them

[shy mulch]

Trains use too much power for a playthrough like this

[dim cradle]

yeah maybe belts then, they're free

they'd just sit there, get dropped and die I presume

[round matrix]

and i think buildings block spawns, no? so building a trainline over it would just.. prevent them from spawning

[shy mulch]

I can easily just run through and kill stuff though, no need to overthink it

[dim cradle]

I think it's only powered building that prevents spawning right

[round matrix]

trains are powered though :D

[dim cradle]

I mean it is a factory game, automating a kill farm is hardly out of the picture

idk if the track counts as a powered building

I'm sure the endpoints do

This convo is reminding of some Craftopia debauchery murder factories though lol

[round matrix]

that is an interesting idea for a run though. i've been playing this game since it released in early access but never actually finished it.. my current run is aiming to finally achieve that. i auto unlock alt recipes cuz hard drives are a mess to me, other than that all vanilla. currently working on the last bits, getting through tier 9 and setting up a plutonium factory

next run i'm planning to do is completing it in fully vanilla settings and i'd like to focus a bit more on making my factories pretty. something that's always gotten a bit lost for me...

[tawny cobalt]

Question, if i would upload a blueprint to a dedicated server from my solo gameplay are we able to use this or do we need to unlock the building to make the blueprint first?
I got some foundation blueprints i want to use.

[reef dirge]

another proof that gamedesign behind enemies and exploration is orthogonal to factory gameplay.

[shy mulch]

Good luck 🥰

[round matrix]

thank you! quite excited to finally get to the end, it's been a long time coming..

[mortal ginkgo]

You mean the tutorial end where you finally get to make 55/min of all phase 5 items? Ah I feel you brother yes, yes that I do indeed.

[round matrix]

:DDDD i am considering making it a big factory...

[mortal ginkgo]

Considering? You DARE to consider expanding the fact- oh, wait I misunderstood you. You are considering how much time you need to reduce from your irl stuff so that you can efficiently expand the factory to maximum. Ah yes, indeed a struggle. I understand you yet again.

[round matrix]

yes exactly. and considering i've never actually finished the game, that's only a testimony to how bad i am at keeping to my plans lol. big projects are daunting and then i just 🧍 stop, which is not the goal. currently kinda looking at making 1% of phase 5 components per minute? might make that a bit more though.. we'll see. that and.. i do also have a thesis to write lol, and i'm afraid that's not about how many ballistic missiles i can make per minute :')

[formal mauve]

can anyone tell me if at some point, with the jetpack, you can fly without falling? like always fly

[reef dirge]

There's no real endgame as nodes are pretty limited in quantity and blueprints effectively cancel ability to expand.

[mortal ginkgo]

If your thesis is not about satisfactory items, we as humanity surely doomed to fail.

But yeah, big projects can be truly meh but going stable with small steps indeed a good way to not feel burnt out as you can see the end result in shorter terms. Hope you deal good in both irl and factory stuff. ❤️

[reef dirge]

There's no such thing as 10^6 spm there

[mortal ginkgo]

"UMMMHHHHHH ATCHUAALLLY 🤓 "

Brotherman is here to ruin the fun and party altogether

[round matrix]

not afaik, only thing that can do that is the hover pack

[reef dirge]

Don't act like uncultured ape

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats the JOKE. a JOKE.

[formal mauve]

when do you unlock it

[mortal ginkgo]

I kek at your insults.

Also 55/min for phase 5 items are the limit.

One could say the "End Game."

So you failed, in both terms.

[round matrix]

yes, exactly! i'm sure we'll get there quite well in the end :)

[mortal ginkgo]

I am sure you can!

[round matrix]

55/min for every phase 5 item??

[reef dirge]

Failed what? Your random internet ass?

[mortal ginkgo]

Yup, thats the limit of what you can make when the limiting resources cant be expanded further, such as SAM.

[round matrix]

i see.... that'll be fun

[mortal ginkgo]

1- Failed to understand that one can expand the factory to maximum, aka end game.
2- Not understanding the joke "oh you finished the tutorial" which is common among Factory Games that has continuous play.
3- Not understanding for some people end game is "where you use all resources possible if CPU allows."
4- Not understanding that insulting does not make you correct.

4 fails, sorry. Now shush.

[mortal ginkgo]

If your CPU allows, or boredom. But alas never forget that irl is more important!

[round matrix]

CPU should allow for the time being... we'll see if that holds up :DDD i have always quite admired those massive factories. though i must ask, how would you power such a big factory? you're running out of materials lol

[carmine mulch]

overclocking is the best thing that has ever touched satisfactory

i will glaze overclocking till the day i die

[rustic pier]

Start chaining power poles xD

[reef dirge]

1. I literally stated that by staying that there's no endgame.
2. This joke is stupid. As wiggling a finger. The fact its funny to you tells us a lot about your iq score.
3. I literally stated this in no endgame post.
4. That was no insult, just reinstatiation of facts.

Reading comprehension skill issue. Git gud.

[mortal ginkgo]

Nitro Rocket Fuel Recipe is ridiculously overpowdered. It can nicely powder all your factories. Alongside Uranium and using only the Uranium Fuel Rod and sinking Plot.

You can also use Plot Rod and store its waste which is extremely minimum compared to Uranium Waste and you can make a small storage that can get you 10k hours of game time (some people do that because Fisco Rod is meh and asks for late game items)

[round matrix]

a fair point.. let me see if it'd be possible with my current uranium setup actually

[dense violet]

unless you're just sinking the ores, you cannot process every resource into end game items, your computer will catch fire first

[mortal ginkgo]

I didn't read but good for you, or sorry for you. Choose one. 👍

[reef dirge]

Just as i said: reading comprehension skill issue.

And that guy calls out others stupid. Hypocrisy

[round matrix]

okay so.. pretty much? i'd lose about 0.5 phase 5 items per minute but frankly, negligable amount. worth it?

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah. I mean you can go ultru nitro fuel alt recipe.

[round matrix]

yeaaaa

[mortal ginkgo]

Some mad people do that and put 1000 fuel gens

[round matrix]

i'll have to see hmm. sounds fun lol

but first i'll finish this save!!

[mortal ginkgo]

Eh I am 90% joking. Your biggest enemy is not your time but boredom of putting 1k fuel gens or putting same factories to make 55/min of all phase 5 items.

If boredom won't take over, CPU will 😄

I would say 10/min phase 5 is good time to end the game

[round matrix]

yeaaa exactly right. my original plan was to fully process all uranium but frankly that was already very daunting, placing like 200 refineries for just one step. ended up switching it early on in the process to processing one normal node, which is currenlty running at 1/3rd capacity while i set up a plutonium site to get rid of the waste

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah Kibitz did all uranium and even when sinking plut rods its really daunting as you said. At some point I think it starts to be not fun.

His mega factory is also ... eh... not fun too.

I know he is doing it for entertainment but I dont see the value of putting 3495834059834058304985 amount of refineries.

I am sure there are better ways to spend time. Like taking a walk, exercising to a small degree.

Calling family members and see how they are doing etc.

[round matrix]

yea right. it's a cool thing to say you did, but frankly at that point.. if you're only doing it for bragging rights, go do more fun stuff like you said lol

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, I mean he is an entertainer so its his job to do ridiculous stuff which can bring silly results (such as his uranium waste causing issues or pipes not piping at all kek) but hey

to each their own I believe my dear brotherman

[round matrix]

exactlyyy

[hard ivy]

Yeah, max nuclear is like a 100h project just for the factory

[round matrix]

also pipes not piping might as well be the subtitle of the game 😭 such a menace. been fighting with it so much lately

[mortal ginkgo]

yup, I mean you will get some folk summoned if you complain about pipes but even devs dont defend pipes not being proper pipes (hence fixes for 1.2 coming).

I remember one time his water is just vanishing in one of the pipes and he was going crazy because pipe simply eating the water and not sending it further lol

[round matrix]

and every time i think i finally got it balanced out!! and then i turn my back and wouldn't you know it, the water starts backing up again. i already used the variable input thing, used valves to prevent backflow, rerouted some pipes to not be attached to the water extractor... hopefully now it works but we'll see

[hard ivy]

A VIP (properly built) is the only thing you need to manage byproduct water. In fact, adding valves, buffers or other unnecessary shit might break it

[round matrix]

lmaoo. don't think that should be happening.
no i do quite like the pipes, i think they add a fun challenge besides the belts, but man can they be tough

[round matrix]

see that's what i thought :D and then it broke

[mortal ginkgo]

I would say feeding the pipe manifold from both sides and using mk1 pipes for machine entry solved many of my issues.

[round matrix]

i didn't add buffers though, i know they are almost exclusively bad news

[hard ivy]

So are valves

[mortal ginkgo]

VIP junction can also act different depending on the way the vertical junction looks (yes its a bug lols) also it can have problems about restarting a system that is fully backed up with water (as a youtuber tested)

[round matrix]

hmm. last time i left it behind i think it was doing okay with the valves i had placed? so as long as it ain't broke i'm not fixing it, but i'll keep in mind that i might want to remove the valves then.. might be overcomplicating things

[reef basin]

maxing out nodes is usually impossible or very hard to achieve, you'd need very good PC and planning, usually also cheated or automated shards. And as with many factory games, "endgame" is once you unlock everything and you keep increasing production for the sake of increasing production. (also, how do blueprints cancel the ability to expand? 🤔 )

[mortal ginkgo]

I say wait for 1.2 if you want to truly yolo with pipes. 90% of the problems you have are not from you. And I am saying this as someone who never had problems with pipes.

Also just dont use mk2 pipes to 100% extend when using with fuel gens or Nuclear Reactors and you will have it "good enough"

[round matrix]

oh yea i'm not using 600/min in any of my pipes, i saw they sometimes break a bit. for now my nuclear power plant is the main thing i'm concerned about, the nitrogen factories that have some water byproduct are insignificant enough to just.. flush every now and then if it's really needed

[dense violet]

hey anyone know why this person's game is only giving power poles instead of power sockets building cables? I'm stumped https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1432710939278311475

[round matrix]

i am curious what the 1.2 pipe updates will be though, very hyped for that. depending on how far away it is, might start my next playthrough when that drops

[reef basin]

1.2 pipe update is fluid truck

[round matrix]

just the truck? :'D

[reef basin]

it's all we know so far

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats a "Teaser Joke" that they shouldn't have made. We got confirmation of various fixes by a QA guy etc in discord too.

[reef basin]

reuse the water in the same factory

[mortal ginkgo]

I think it was a joke that they shouldn't have done.

[reef basin]

why they shouldn't have made the joke?

[round matrix]

i do! but somehow even though all the clock speeds are correct, it still backs up with water

[mortal ginkgo]

Like bro, tease a new building that FIXES issues or show a complex pipe system that works.

[silk ocean]

I just completed my vehicle elimination programme XD

[reef basin]

don't mix fresh and recycled water

[reef basin]

it's almost as if this was your first major update

[round matrix]

can't, don't use enough water elsewhere :')

[mortal ginkgo]

use recycled water in other downclocked buildings

[reef basin]

why not? it's possible in all cases. It's the same build as you have now, just there's a dedicated set of refineries that run only on recycled water

[round matrix]

i'm using the recycled water in all my other refineries, but i still have some left over unfortunately

[hard ivy]

I'm extremely curious whether 1.2 will break VIPs or not

[reef basin]

then do the math properly

[mortal ginkgo]

1.1 and 1.2 are not major updates.

[dense violet]

you create another machine, part of hte system, that runs only on the waste water

[hard ivy]

It's not possible if you sloop stuff

[cunning siren]

Heyyy y'all, sup?

[dense violet]

like this in aluminium production https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=690171fe&is=6900207e&hm=2d9b55682bc139ccf318a40a60adab2de2bbf494b44c3f1526c91428d806a142&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[visual harness]

Quick question, if I wanna make a probably unnecessarily large power battery, is there a wat to have it have less performance impact on the game overall?
Also, does anyone have any reccomended settings for the game overall?

[reef basin]

they very much are, same as 0.3, 0.4, ...

[hard ivy]

Hide it with opaque walls

[round matrix]

oh i'm not very good at that... no i'll see if i can fix it. it has been bugging me a lot. main issue has been.. water backing up and disolved silica backing up as a result of that

[dense violet]

yes - building huge anything will impact stuff, and power storage has a fair bit of animation
what kind of settings? I just turn graphics to max

[cunning siren]

If you have a 🥔 PC I got settings for you if that is what you are asking

[mortal ginkgo]

first ask yourself why you need such a large battery, second I dont think such buildings have performance issues

[charred sandal]

Wait
What are the highest tier belts ?

[visual harness]

ok, so I don't need it to be on the other side of the map?

[hard ivy]

6

[charred sandal]

Tell me its not 780

[hard ivy]

1200

[reef basin]

(it's called "power storage", "battery" is an item)

I'd personally not do power storage, just do enough power to run your factory (and you'll have less performance issue)

[hard ivy]

It'd probably be better if it was, but I don't think that's necessary

[charred sandal]

Ok phew

[visual harness]

not a 🥔 as I do have a 3070, but I just want it to run smoother

[reef dirge]

Blueprints cancel out expansion because they are limited and cannot be edited outside of Blueprints designer. Also, no really good way of indirecting inputs and outputs, and this is the basis of scalability. Factorio has trains, dsp has ILS. Shapez has trains too. Satisfactory has nothing.

[silk ocean]

I'd probably recommend at least a little? To avoid accidental trips if it bumps over

[cunning siren]

What resolution do you run at? 1080 2k 4k?

[visual harness]

1440p

[reef basin]

wdym "indirecting inputs and outputs"?

[reef basin]

priority power switch is for that

[silk ocean]

True, fair enough

[mortal ginkgo]

Correct. Having some of them even as decoration can save a borked fuse in early to mid game if not careful.

[hard ivy]

A broken fuse is always a skill issue

[dense violet]

this doesn't explain why 'blueprints cancel out expansion' in any way

wdym by 'expansion' ?

[visual harness]

I don't have power issues as is, I'm pretty good on power, it's more of a just in case I try to do anything major like I've seen Kibits etc do

[hard ivy]

Then you want power production, not storage

[reef basin]

yeah build power switches, not power storage 🙂

[reef dirge]

Direct input: I pull things of that conveyor. Indirect input: i pull out this storage, which is filled by train which makes query to the system and look out for sources without specifying and hardwiring them.

[reef basin]

yeah well you're playing wrong game if you want that. But also, you're approaching it wrong if you think that it's the only way to scale in this game

[visual harness]

I have a rocket fuel plant and like 100k MW in exsess rn.
As I said, more as a just in case

[reef basin]

*GW 😛

[dense violet]

it sounds like you're just saying

'Satisfactory isn't Factorio'

which you're right. It's a completely different game.

and I'm very glad it's not factorio. I can't stand it

[visual harness]

I think both games are fun in their own aspects, just prefer satisfactory

[silk ocean]

Factorio is great, just in a different way. There are some similarities, they are factory builders after all, but also very different

[dense violet]

I don't can't find the appeal of it. Good on you if you enjoy it, but don't bitch about SF not being Fact

[reef dirge]

Drop your "bad technical decisions defender handbook". Factorio way is made for scaling and scale, it is adopted by most good factory games.

[hard ivy]

And yet I play both games in basically the same way and it all works out somehow

[silk ocean]

Yeah, well same... I usually do a main bus in Factorio tho, doesn't really work in Satis

[reef dirge]

It is not the only, but it is labor efficient way of doing so.

[dense violet]

it's a completely different game.

It's not 'bad choices', it's a completely different game design

right now it's like you're complaining Soccer isn't Baseball

[reef basin]

scaling up in games with (technically) infinite maps is indeed done differently than scaling up in a game with fixed static map.

[visual harness]

oi, I'm not the one bitching about x thing not being in y game, I'm jsut saying both are good in their own ways

[dense violet]

They both use Balls right?
they have to be the same game

[reef basin]

"labor efficient" in terms of Factorio-style playing? yes
"labor efficient" in terms of Satisfactory-style playing? no

[dense violet]

that was a general 'don't bitch about sf not being fact'
not a targeted one, appologies if it seemed like it 🙂

[cunning siren]

Check to see if Global Illumination = off. If not turn it off

[dense violet]

people who bitch 'this game isn't factorio! I'm mad!' are very very annoying

[visual harness]

k, had it on medium

[cunning siren]

That should help big time

[reef dirge]

It doesn't matter what kind of game it is, it doesn't matter what is the "dev vision" for it. There are efficient and inefficient solutions, these terms stay outside of dev's influence

[visual harness]

huh, think that added like 10-15 fps, ty

[dense violet]

I have to say, factorio bitchers haven't been around the server for a long while.
this is sort of nostalgic.

go play a different game. Good luck with life

[reef dirge]

Porting factorio belt connection mechanic alone would boost blueprints QoL.

Cutting mandatory "connect belts" step.

[hard ivy]

... they did?

[reef basin]

blueprints autoconnect tho?

that's even better than in Factorio

[visual harness]

what kind of belt connections are you even talking about??

[mortal ginkgo]

I am more curious about why inserter/sorters are not in this game 🤔

[rustic quest]

You can make a sorter quite easily

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean as a machine.

[reef dirge]

You cannot have 2 conveyors to connect without connecting them with build tool. In Factorio belts connect based on presence in space.

[rustic quest]

Because there's no reason to since it's something that naturally emerges from the smart splitter a dedicated building would be redundant and a waste of effort to implement

[hard ivy]

Have you not played this game in a year or something?

[mortal ginkgo]

This isn't a "Factorio has them yolokekburbbq69yoloswag" thing I am going for. I didn't play Factorio and don't plan to.

I find it odd that a galaxy-wide factory company has no concept of such simple machines for getting items into other machines.

[cunning siren]

I don't own a card that supports it, and you may also check to be sure DLSS settings are on. If it is a thing there are quality modes that you can change to gain more FPS at the cost of visuals

[reef dirge]

1. tps
2. too easy in 3d as you don't need to weave belts with 1000 splitters

[reef basin]

tbh I don't understand the approach of "I'm gonna go play a non-Factorio game in hopes it plays the same as Factorio, and if it doesn't, I'm gonna go complain so that they make it play exactly as Factorio"

like... why not play Factorio in the first place? 😄

[visual harness]

yea, I allready have that on

[reef dirge]

Kind of

[rustic quest]

If you want to stay in the lore FICSIT is not exactly a loving and caring company, you get the smart splitter and as a pioneer you have to figure out your sorting needs with that

[dense violet]

people like to complain?
and/or they don't understand the games have very different designs and goals?

either that or troll I guess

but they, sadly, sound sincere

[reef basin]

or you put the blueprint next to a belt and it auto-connects, like it does in Satisfactory, don't need build tool for that

(well you need build tool to place the blueprint, but...)

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't think "no reason" is a valid thing. It would immensely help on "spam splitters" and on performance too.

Ficsit does not care about Pioneers, but they care about efficiency. Inserters/Sorters are literally made for efficiency 😛

[cunning siren]

Adjusting shadow quallity would be my next thing to try

[reef dirge]

Because factorio made good decisions that make buildin efficient, and there devs spoonfeed their "brilliant idea" that is should enjoy less efficient way of doing things.

[rustic quest]

Also unless you sushi everything you don't really need a sorter anyway, it's handy to implement in few cases but again with manifolds and dedicated storages out of specific production lines you don't really sort much stuff

[silk ocean]

Factorio is insanely well optimized, like to the extreme xD

[reef dirge]

Still, alignment is way worse than in 2d

[mortal ginkgo]

Idk. Doesn't make sense to me but then maybe DSP made it too easy for me and made me think "yeah, sorters make sense".

[visual harness]

That's mainly because of the fact that this game works in 3d, and the game attempting to predict of you are or aren't trying to connect x object just because you placed it next to a belt would be a bit messy.
Having that would also kill any ease of soft clipping etc, as the game would be confused if you are trying to connect the belt to x, or are just running it through it

[mortal ginkgo]

Bros had one bro that worked purely on the optimization. 😄

[silk ocean]

Probably xD

[mortal ginkgo]

No no, thats a fact. I think the guy is still there. His job was purely working on optimization. Devs said that. 😄

[visual harness]

That's both based and kinda funny

[cunning siren]

Many times when I have Mk.2 pipe throughput issues a loop fixes it 🤷

[silk ocean]

Makes sense, tbh most large games should have at least 1 or a team working on optimization imo, certainly some Triple-A games could use that XD

[reef dirge]

I would take that instead of having to turn buildings around and clip through them to have any decent scale of production in one blueprint

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah, he is a big boi but I guess he was having his own fun. I mean some coders are like that. They look at a meh-code and think they can just beautify it.

[reef basin]

you keep comparing SF with Factorio, when they don't have that much in common. There are reasons (multiple) why SF went the way it did, some of them are narrative-based, some are performance-based, some are engine-limitation-based, some are just decisions from devs/game directors.

If you want Factorio-style gameplay with Factorio-like QOL, I'd recommend a game that would very much fit these parameters: ||Factorio :)||.

If you approach SF with "I'm gonna play it Factorio-style", you'll find yourself having the issues you have. But that's not because of bad game design, but because of weird approach to the game

[rustic quest]

Hopefully all those rituals won't be needed anymore in 1.2

[visual harness]

The fluid truck will bring us salvation

[dense violet]

I hope you need 4 loops with 1.2

[cunning siren]

I don't mind looping or running more pipes

[hard ivy]

I'm totally not playing BL4 on absolute minimum settings, with upscaling and frame gen just to get 150 FPS on my RTX 30 fucking 80

[reef basin]

tbh I'd say loop is still needed, it would be needed even irl if you maxed out a pipe

[silk ocean]

Ha, yeah, I've heard it's not exactly well optimized atm

[dense violet]

if they make any changes it'll basically be as if the pipes are mono directional

[mortal ginkgo]

I am been around for like a year now. Constantly checking reddit. I saw literally NOONE asking for fluid tank trucks 😄

I just hope devs did some fixes on trucks and whatnot...

[hard ivy]

That "Kinda..." in the thumbnail worries me

[visual harness]

huh, I thought frame generation was just a thing on the 40 series cards and newer

[hard ivy]

That's because I'm not using NVIDIA's frame gen. Because I don't have it

[visual harness]

The scuff is part of the charm (I say as someone who's never used them)

[reef basin]

well I'm all for those small changes that have been shared here, it's changing some two physics constants or something, and it makes fluids easier to work with (but not that easy, just fixes some of the weird flow issues). That, and fixing things like vertical junction bugs. That'd be my list of "what to fix with pipes for 1.2)

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree on the scuff part. I like how some of my Tractors are carefully going down 4m ramps while some simply purely yolo like their life depends on being cool.

[rustic quest]

I'm still hopefull that at least they make a consistent set of rules instead of whatever incantation and ritual you need now.
It's not about looping per se but the fact that it's not even consistent, I had looped the shit out of the nitrogen inputs for my rocket fuel production and I still had issues for example

[visual harness]

I thought it was kinda ill advised to mix software for gpus, unless I misunderstood and you aren't even using a nvidia gpu

[dense violet]

the 'tension' setting or whatever it was seems like it just turns pipes into covered belts honestly. Technically bi directional but essentially no situation where they will flow the other way

[hard ivy]

Frankly, I think they should just rewrite the system. The mod changes physics constants because that's all it can do. And it's doing insane shit like setting gravity equal to Jupiter's or even more

[reef dirge]

They are both factory games. I HAVE FULL RIGHT TO COMPARE THEM. Saying "no don't" won't change anything.

Narration is water of development budget for any factory game. Should be absent. Performance based issue come from the fact they decided to make curve conveyors. Engine limitations usually come from either skissue of devs or not enough money or both.

I am going to approach it from the side that nothing should be forcing me to do manual labor more than it's strictly necessary.

[hard ivy]

It works so 🤷‍♂️ . Besides, AMD's upscaler and frame gen is just available in the settings; it's not like I'm not using an external software to do it

[reef basin]

well, if you compare that to irl (where pressure exists, or rather is consistent) pipes also flow one-way if there's fluid on one side and no fluid on other side 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

Comparing them is one thing, expecting them to be similar is something else.

Also, I love narration in games and thats why I loved Techtonica (despite it being a flop in the end).

You cant play Factorio without Trains, but you can play Satisfactory without them. They are really different games in same genre.

[dense violet]

yeah but getting rid of one of the few design challenges, that ... honestly isn't even hard if you know a couple things is kinda lame :\

[reef dirge]

Expecting automation game automating automation is natural.

[mortal ginkgo]

Some people are mad enough to go belt-only runs.

[silk ocean]

Fake frames can be overrated as well XD

[reef dirge]

Just because guy on YouTube from CSS channel put some idea into your head, it doesn't make it right

[visual harness]

bro really has it out for the devs

[dense violet]

bro thinks there's no automation in satisfactory. That really says it all

[rustic quest]

Nothing wrong with just belts

[reef basin]

I didn't say that you shouldn't compare them. I said they are very different, so arguments like "Factorio did X, why can't SF do it" are kinda irrelevant because the game just aims for different direction

and you have all rights in the world to not like the game, but "forcing" it to "become" a different game is just weird, if you like the other game so much, go play that game and don't shit on our game because it isn't your game

[dense violet]

just go download someone's megaprint, paste it into your game, and be done with it.
ultimate 'automation'

[reef basin]

and yet the blueprints automatically connect belts (what you said that you want), which is even more automation than Factorio has

[reef dirge]

Do you have a context window of 5 words? That one of like 100 issues with them.

[mortal ginkgo]

Just because Factorio does it, doesn't mean SF need to do it. I mean, it goes both way. You seem to be influenced by Factorio alot, taking it as Gospel of Factory games so to speak.

I played 3k hours of DSP. I miss Sorters in this game more than anything but I don't expect sorters to arrive anytime soon.

Devs implemented Splitters and such inplace of sorters. Thats their idea of game. They make their own games with their own ideals.

[hard ivy]

Even at a distance, not just when placed right next to each other, might I add

[visual harness]

I sure do love my belts going all the way across the map.
I have made some criminally long belts myself tho, but I'm playing around with trains

[mortal ginkgo]

You are nothing but a MAD LAD in my eyes. 👁️ 👃 👁️

[silk ocean]

Is that a space shuttle for a nose

[reef dirge]

UPS is wrong with many belts

[hard ivy]

That's :nose: so no

[silk ocean]

Aww xD

[reef basin]

that's the issue you mentioned 5 times. Others you didn't yet mention or mentioned vaguely, so I responded to the one you mentioned the most. Though I'd expect similar answer to most other issues you have, or the already mentioned "that's just now how SF is designed to be played, so obviously you'll have issues with that, and no, it's not the 'efficient' way in SF")

[visual harness]

Unless I misunderstood them, it seems like they are wanting belts to auto connect to buildings, splitters etc, when they are placed at the end next to them, but I earlier pointed out why that wouldn't really work out

[hard ivy]

You can do that with an auto-connect blueprint. I've been doing that since 1.1 dropped

[reef basin]

that's like asking Factorio to automatically place inserters when you run a belt near to a machine

[visual harness]

yea, more or less

[hard ivy]

Just a single splitter/merger with belt stubs in all the inputs/outputs

[mortal ginkgo]

Dyson Sphere Program has that in a way. It copies the inserters attached to the building and it puts them automaticaly if a belt is there.

NOW I WANT IT HERE TOO DEVS HEAR ME OUT LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[visual harness]

I know, but they seems to crave it to be a global setting/feature instead of blueprint only which owuld be a mess

[rustic quest]

I just found trains a needless annoyiance. This is a sample from my first playthrough anyway #screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

All I see is H E R E S Y

Wide and long Heresy.

[silk ocean]

Fits in the width of my discord xD

[visual harness]

those are acceptable distances for belts, but I'd try a train for anything longer

[rustic quest]

I had much longer ones before getting to drones

[mortal ginkgo]

These are acceptable distances for TRUCKS YES I SAID WOOOOO

[nocturne cairn]

Satisfactory could definitely use some factorio features tbh

[nocturne cairn]

Just smarter trains would be huge

[mortal ginkgo]

Yes and Cast Screws should be the default recipe not alt recipe FAYT ME IRL I DARE YOU

[visual harness]

Could you elaborate on what you'd consider "smarter" in that case+

[dense violet]

production and consumption are static in satisfactory.
just don't build bad rails and they work perfectly

[hard ivy]

I wish it cost 1 ingot extra per cycle

[nocturne cairn]

At least make trains be able to choose paths

[unkempt blade]

But then it would no longer be the best alt recipe every which would be a huge injustice

[dense violet]

they do, the shortest

[nocturne cairn]

N to M stations would be even better

[visual harness]

I think they just always choose the shortest route no?

[visual harness]

what do you mean by that?

[nocturne cairn]

Yeah, I mean if the shortest path is blocked by other train

[dense violet]

they do, people just want to build messy rail and not actually lay out proper lines by that

[dense violet]

design it so it's not.

[rustic quest]

#screenshots message
@mortal ginkgo

[visual harness]

that is more of a planning/logistics issue no?

[nocturne cairn]

Yeah yeah, no need to change anything in the game because you can just be better at it

[dense violet]

it's not even a question of being better at it

it's so so simple to do it

[mortal ginkgo]

Ok this is harrasment at this point my dear brotherman 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[dense violet]

keep stations off to the side of the main line
have 2 way rail.

that covers like 99% of issues

[unkempt blade]

the main thing to do is always put stations off to the side of the main line and always make sure they have enough track leading up to them for the total amount of trains that use that station

[visual harness]

Dear god...

[mortal ginkgo]

SF folk are quite alien to the Trains constantly checking the route and planning ahead kind of thing. So expect some resistance. I am surprised myself that they don't do it because a mod does that and everything works flawlessly.

[violet needle]

#screenshots rough idea, cold i get any feedback?

[visual harness]

I wouldn't be opposed to having more complex routing, but maybe let it be a optional option for people to use if they wanna

[mortal ginkgo]

Very pog. Could use some beams etc.

[silk ocean]

Better than anything I could design xD

[unkempt blade]

I like the shape but use more colors, like make the roof not-orange for starters

[nocturne cairn]

I don't really see a single downside (from a user perspective) to have complex train routing

[hard ivy]

I don't see any downsides so idk why would anyone turn it off

[visual harness]

Pretty good, maybe some verticality and or variation for the other sides?

[mortal ginkgo]

Oh this isn't about planning on your end. This is more like asking for natural behavior a train that makes sense instead of acting like I am driving them.

ıt is 100% expected behavior for a train to change route to a degree to reach its destination.

SF trains actually do that if you add/remove a rail. Whats expected is them to do it at every Signal or so which ALL train games do.

[nocturne cairn]

It will be (I believe) a huge task for devs to implement and then optimize though

[rustic quest]

What needs better routing options/capabilities is drones imo which is not even at the level of trains

[visual harness]

Mainly to not break any existing systems etc, and for people that doesn't wanna partly relearn pathing etc, as I don't even understand the current one in either game honestly lmao

[unkempt blade]

Routing is yet another reason factory carts are the best vehicle. You can make them go anywhere you want (as long as it's mostly got foundations)

[mortal ginkgo]

Brotherman simply added another Cart Advertisement right in the middle of a heated discussion.

[violet needle]

It’s a rough sketch since it’s not the save

[mortal ginkgo]

"UMMMHH ATCHUALLY CARTS BE MIKE MMMHHH 🤓 "

[visual harness]

Yea the routes they take is a bit whacky, but I'm not sure if we are gonna expect any changes there.
Unless the next update is a logistics overhaul 👀

[violet needle]

Yeah was also maybe thinking that as like the roof supports or smth

[unkempt blade]

I'm a skilled marketer but only for factory carts

[rustic quest]

More like it would be nice if you could make them to more hops instead of just point to point

[mortal ginkgo]

Ok but can we please get them work on natural grounds brother?

[reef dirge]

Just because factorio does it it sets expectations for experiences. Quite high ones.

Devs don't make "their games". In this particular case they are doing game for stakeholders in embracer group and for players, devs opinion and vision here is extra.

Dsp is factorio - 70% challenge caused by packing things on 2d plane.

[hard ivy]

Yeah, idk why drones don't just go in straight lines

Have the devs ever said anything about that?

[unkempt blade]

I heard the mk2 carts from that last video will drive on the dirt

[silk ocean]

They could do with flying higher as well, they often fly through some of my buildings xD

[mortal ginkgo]

You really don't know how game industry works, at least don't act like your opinions are facts.

[zenith pecan]

For some detail with walls you can also use the sloped glass roof sections to blister the curtain wall at certain spots.

[mortal ginkgo]

ARE WE REAL HERE BROTHERMAN?!?!?!?!

[visual harness]

what do you mean by hops?
I was more just hoping that they'd add more "direct" routes for them to take instead of the kinda odd predetermined routes they currently use

[shy mulch]

What about employing children to log in to your save and move stacks of items manually. Is that more efficient that setting up trains?

[reef dirge]

"That's not how SF" is not an answer at anything. It's invitation to have a date with your hand.

And is an excuse used by fanboys without any background to defend their one and only.

[unkempt blade]

They're all automation games but Factorio and DSP have a very different area of focus from Satisfactory

[unkempt blade]

they're going to fix fluids! all hail factory cart mk2!

[zenith pecan]

I still never played factorio, I bought it ages ago 🤦‍♂️

[rustic quest]

They can't do A -> B -> C -> A for example, you can only do A-B-A

[civic grail]

my IP doesnt show up, anybody who could help me

[unkempt blade]

it's a great game but there's a much bigger focus on combat and a lot "more" logistics

[visual harness]

oooooh, that would be nice.

[mortal ginkgo]

I would play Factorio but the fact of no vertical belts existing makes my brain hurt.

It is a really good game and it is really not for me so Q_Q

[civic grail]

???

[mortal ginkgo]

Also fck Gleba.

[zenith pecan]

My pc is still in somewhat of a chaotic state after the W11 debacle, I'll play it eventually.

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont play Factorio and I hate Gleba and its rotting resources.

[dense violet]

they have a small enough capacity as it, that would murder the throughput

[visual harness]

you'll have to live and die by the underground belts, sorry to say

[mortal ginkgo]

Just let them go UP brotherman! WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!

[zenith pecan]

I have plenty of underground belts thankyou 😛

[visual harness]

Only the trains can go up
They are the only vertical object in the game

[lament niche]

and rockets

[reef dirge]

This is exactly what I meant by -70% challenge

[unkempt blade]

Don't the conveyors have a go-under kind of 2.5d or am I misremembering?

[shy mulch]

I was curious so just went back and read back a few of your most recent messages to understand your point, and it seems like you don't actually want to play the game, you just want it to be all done for you. If you don't enjoy playing it, play something you do enjoy

[visual harness]

what

[silk ocean]

Conveyors can go underground yep

[visual harness]

bro it's 3d

[thorny prawn]

#screenshots My task manager is weird

[reef dirge]

3d makes things way less dense => simpler game

[zenith pecan]

So can processing plants #design-and-architecture message

[lament niche]

#screenshots message pretty screenshot

[lament niche]

wat

[shy mulch]

I think he's just being a troll tbh

[visual harness]

ok? don't play the 3d game then????
Do you just want 3d factory, but no 3d features

[silk ocean]

Dats a lot of.... stuffs xD

[ivory condor]

Just bring back oil barrels, fluid problems solved

[zenith pecan]

All the sam ore in the world being reanimated in one location under the dunes.

[mortal ginkgo]

ok I think this is enough internet for you.

you had your fill, now go outside

[silk ocean]

Nice XD

[hard ivy]

And transport the barrels via hypertubes a' la pneumatic tube systems

[lament niche]

I uh can place old oil extractors right now if I wanted to

[silk ocean]

May as well do it in one location

[visual harness]

how tf do you not get lost in the construction

[nocturne cairn]

I mean that is a very fair point, having 3 dimensions to work with makes designing stuff a lot easier

[lament niche]

doesn't mean it's simpler

[reef dirge]

I think people there bad at reading comprehension and never built anything above 10k spm pre SA so they lack all and any context behind my posts

[ivory condor]

What about input for refineries

[mortal ginkgo]

which can lead to very complicated designs which makes it not that easy.

[lament niche]

can do old refineries and nuke plants too

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, Factorio isn't as complicated and Gospel as the guy claims it to be.

[reef dirge]

Meanwhile pyanodon

[ivory condor]

What

[lament niche]

mods

[silk ocean]

It's def a lot more complicated than it used to be tho, especially with space age

[zenith pecan]

I can always follow the belts is I get turned around, it's pretty straight forward.

[shy mulch]

What is spm and what is 'pre SA' 🤷

[ivory condor]

I need those mods, because i hate mk2 pipes

[mortal ginkgo]

with the addition that devs said "heck pipe logic" and added planet Gleba to balance things out kek

[lament niche]

<@&387163995947270144>

[visual harness]

btw did you grab all the sam nodes on your world for that?

[reef dirge]

Science per minute. Pre SA means before space age was out as it allowed much more vertical scaling

[mortal ginkgo]

Bro just did a weird flex with is Factorio numbers but I dont think @ Mods was needed dear brotherman

[lament niche]

he's clearly trolling

[reef dirge]

I am clearly not

[shy mulch]

Oh, I've not played whatever game you're talking about

[reef dirge]

It shows

[zenith pecan]

Here's an early stage of the gathering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga4LcICPnkI , now imagine all the sam being fed into the same underground passages that all feed into that one processing facility under the desert.

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, he isn't trolling, he is just wrong in so many places that we dont know where to start.

[nocturne cairn]

Discord user flexed his factorio numbers, shooting squad engaged

[lament niche]

so... trolling?

[charred sandal]

Is there a calculator that compares recipes from scratch

[shy mulch]

In what way?

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats not trolling. Thats just being wrong and insisting on being wrong in wrong discord. 😛

The guy is simply wrong.

[reef dirge]

You are able to understand what is meant in 0% of my posts

[mortal ginkgo]

Also he is rude. But he is not a troll. He is just a "Karen" in my book.

[visual harness]

I really hope you did this in 1.1 with autoconnecting blueprints

[mortal ginkgo]

We just need to get the Manager so lets @ Mode--- oooh.... ooooh I see what you did.

[ivory condor]

What if its 0.1%

[shy mulch]

I didn't know 2 acronyms that are used in a different game. How's that relevant to satisfactory?

[nocturne cairn]

Anyways, I wish satisfactory had parametrized blueprints from factorio so you could instantly set recipes in all machines

[lament niche]

he's literally a russian troll farmer. See them all the time on Twitter.

[mortal ginkgo]

Very well.

[zenith pecan]

Done in 1.1, but blueprints were too much of a pain to design for changing circumstances, it was all built with classic zoop.

[reef dirge]

The game is wrong, the design philosophy behind it is wrong too. And you are wrong for supporting wrong design philosophy as if it was right

[reef dirge]

Meanwhile I am from Ukraine but oh, random Joe knows better

[mortal ginkgo]

There is a term for guys like you.. Narcicist?

[visual harness]

oh yea, would be nice if there was a easier way to input recipes into a lot of machines

[mortal ginkgo]

"I am always right and you are always wrong." - I wonder the term...

[shy mulch]

Lots of people like it, but you don't. That doesn't make it wrong, that just means you don't like it. Play something you like

[lament niche]

you must be from Donetsk City then 💀

[charred sandal]

Also...how do i choose recipes on the planner?

[reef dirge]

Didn't you knew that uk and ru share most of alphabet?

[lament niche]

*know

[visual harness]

you can enable and disable them under the recipes tab, just disable the ones you don't wanna use and enable the alternative ones you wanna use

[reef dirge]

Knew as as we are all sure you don't know it now

[dense violet]

usually there's a tab taht says 'recipes'. depends on planner

[white dawn]

Which planner? If you mean sftools, there's a "Recipes" tab. The solver will still solve the recipe chain based on what it thinks is the most resource-efficient, so it might get "stuck" on a recipe if the numbers work out. In those cases (where you want it to not use a specific recipe), remember that you can unselect any of them, including vanilla recipes. That'll force it to consider the tree without that one

[charred sandal]

thx

[lament niche]

If only I had been following the Russo-Ukrainian war since it broke out 💀

Go get water from your Crimean Canal... oh wait you can't

Silence, russian

[mortal ginkgo]

Lets not go down to their level my friend. They are already at bottom as it is.

[shy mulch]

I think we should avoid insulting people based on where they live. We are more than capable of insulting them based on their ridiculous opinions

[mortal ginkgo]

Some people just decides to be angy in interwebs.

[reef dirge]

I am not. I use facts and reasoning instead of emotion and bullshit, and if you're wrong, you're wrong no matter who tells you that.

[lament niche]

We've yet to see this "facts and logic", is it in the room with us now?

[mortal ginkgo]

"Facts and reasons that I deem correct, therefore you are all wrong." is quite the narcicist act...

I am very sorry but...

You are wrong. 😔

[lament niche]

Like, Ukrainians don't act this way. the guy is clearly Russian.

[shrewd palm]

yall should just ignore this guy ngl

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean you claim to know alot about Factory games but you didn't even know "Oh so you ended the tutorial" joke of Factory genre when someone enters endless play mode after finishing story and such.

Are you.. AI by any chance?

[reef dirge]

Nothing worthy of being a fact was presented from the other side. "Meant to be played" is opinion of agme designer, just that. This opinion is not law, or anything else.

[white dawn]

Might be best if y'all just block each other, btw

[mortal ginkgo]

Blocking is not fun.

[white dawn]

It's better than what's currently happening on the channel. :)

[reef dirge]

Are you one?

[mortal ginkgo]

You defeated my arguement but I will be back, with even stupidier takes! JUST YOU WATCH!

[lament niche]

@reef dirgego enjoy your boys being kicked out of Ukraine

[mortal ginkgo]

But you talk alot as if your opinions are facts. Yet you still didn't know #satisfactory message . Which is the most common joke.

I still think you are AI.

[lament niche]

slava ukraini

[white dawn]

I'll just mention • Be kind and respectful to others. once more and then skitter off. IMO everyone involved should just drop the whole thing; it's just getting nasty and personal now

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree. Personal takes are too much. I mean guy called me "Uncultured Ape", as if there were Cultured Apes. I smile at such things but this is going too far now.

[reef dirge]

I am not writing 5 pages of exhaustive proof in discord for it to be ignored by someone who never cares about any kind of proofs nor even has degree in math to talk of proofs correctly.

[nocturne cairn]

<@&387163995947270144> honestly

[mortal ginkgo]

Can you go back to Factorio discord though?

[lament niche]

you've yet to provide proof for your opinions

[shy mulch]

All you've done is complain the game isn't the way you want it to be. But everyone else is happy with it, so why not just play something else?

[lament niche]

found the pro russian

[mortal ginkgo]

I really think you should stop...

[dense violet]

it's about as dumb as I imagine right?

[lament niche]

he literally directly replied to me

[mortal ginkgo]

You are as bad as Byo right now.

[reef dirge]

The proof is simple: it's not "the way you want it to be" its objectively inefficient from time spent per stuff built. It has nothing to do with me, it is just how it is.

[lament niche]

if it's objective, it should be easy to prove, then. So prove it.

[shy mulch]

Please be the bigger person and keep the insults to their silly opinions, not about county of origin

[mortal ginkgo]

You fail to see that you are not the judge of "Time Spent."

I am at Phase 2 in 500 hours of gameplay time because I love decorating.

In your eyes, this is well wasted time, but in my eyes, I am having a lot of fun.

[rustic star]

*gets popcorn out

[shy mulch]

That's your opinion, the large player base disagrees

[mortal ginkgo]

Pass some please. 🍿

[reef dirge]

It doesn't matter as it is subjective

[mortal ginkgo]

You are simply wrong.

[reef dirge]

Subjective doesn't matter at all in any and every case

[lament niche]

Anyone want Reese's with Oreos while we watch this troll farmer get banned

[shy mulch]

I'm out, this troll is giving me a headache

[reef dirge]

I don't like it so I would call it with a ad word that has nothing to do with a subject ah take

[mortal ginkgo]

"Any other opinion doesn't matter and my opinion is 100% facts and logic therefore I am correct and you are all wrong."

This is not a healthy way to live.

[lament niche]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

[reef dirge]

On your side.

[lament niche]

You've literally not proven a single thing you've claimed.

[dense violet]

yeah looking at some covered message, definitely a troll now

[shy mulch]

Ignore the troll

[mortal ginkgo]

I still don't think you have enough knowledge to talk about facts and logic since:

"I mean you claim to know alot about Factory games but you didn't even know "Oh so you ended the tutorial" joke of Factory genre when someone enters endless play mode after finishing story and such."

[rustic star]

Just agree that you guys disagree and move on.

[mortal ginkgo]

No.

[reef dirge]

And simply measure time it takes to build 10000 buildings in both games in game tools

[dense violet]

well folks, enjoy the trolling, gl with them.