satisfactory

[dim cradle]

Lol I guess if you don't even have the facility that can build the object, it just puts a blank placeholder behind the comma, and then the workbench

I'm using MK1 track but I have dimensional physics laws defying crates

[bronze atlas]

that happens to me too but its ones ive already harvested. It seems to me like the game sometimes lags on realizing "this site has already been cleared so i better erase this stuff"

[abstract heron]

i got started iron and copper refeinrys today

only placed 1% not even

[hard ivy]

It's almost like that's a different situation than you described initially and I would've replied differently if you just started with that. Because both me and apocalyptech understood your question as "the entire track is bi-di and it has more than one train on it"

[shy zenith]

I see, sorry, thank you for clarifying the confusion

I think I solved my problem but I believe not the most efficient way

wait

I got it now

[hard ivy]

You only really need a normal intersection, built and signalled as if it was all duplex, and then just merge the 2 tracks. If you only ever send one train that way, it'll work fine

[shy zenith]

You can have more than 2 trains on a bi directional railway if you have pull offs and pass ways

[bronze atlas]

2 way single tracks just need to have block signals directly opposite each other on either side of the same track. But yeah your best bet is to only have those at the entrance/exit of that rail so it can only ever have one train on it, to prevent any deadlocks happening.

[shy zenith]

well if you plan for more than one train it just needs a path signal and a pass signal

[hard ivy]

Yeah, you can, but you have to be very careful when designing them to prevent deadlocks and unnecessary slowdowns

[shy zenith]

they are much more common in factorio so I'm familiar how it works and how to make it work, but I would never in this game except for this scenario for one train

[bronze atlas]

yeah i never made them in factorio either. too many headaches. Though i do get how to do them

[shy zenith]

#design-and-architecture message
Thanks for the help guys

[hard ivy]

The issue is that in Factorio, deadlocked trains will undeadlock themselves if it's possible to do by re-routing. Satisfactory trains won't do that

[shy zenith]

right, you would have to be very articulate with your system on satisfactory

which is never worth the trouble unless its meant for one train

now does anyone on satisfactory build supply trains, whats the best way to do that?

[near frost]

ok so what?
i have 4 pipes of Rocket fuel and they should overflow into 144 fuel gens and i recounted them 6 times and they are 144 and i have lrt them overflow for like 3h and still they havent filled up

[bronze atlas]

i haven't built an extensive system but i've heard of people that build long trains that drive around to several stations picking up/dropping off one type of goods, and ive seen a lot of one train going to multiple supply stations and picking up various supplies then dropping it all off at once

Right now i mostly just have one supply dropped off per station so i can use "wait for full load/unload" without causing a lot of waiting

[near frost]

like its taking a sus ampunt of time

is it normal or what?

[bronze atlas]

try turning off half your generators first and see if it fills up then. If it doesnt then theres probably something wrong in your production.

i am having a similar issue with my own production. its setup to make rocket fuel for 140 but is only consistantly fueling 120 right now.

[near frost]

hmm ok

[shy zenith]

@bronze atlas are dedicated factories the way to go always built around resources that are needed, is it ever worth training around raw resources?

[near frost]

like turn of the ones working?

[bronze atlas]

yeah to see if the thing keeping it from filling up is just the gens using the fuel

[near frost]

okay

[bronze atlas]

its a style, there are lots of different ways to play. You certainly can build resource stations and train everything needed to a factory in the middle of no where

[near frost]

SH** GAME CRAHED AND I HAVENT SAVED

[bronze atlas]

you should have an autosave thats only about 5 minutes old if you are still on the default settings

[near frost]

i do have it on that

[bronze atlas]

okay well you wont lose too much then unless you build at lightspeed

[near frost]

but i just did a lot of stuff in the last 5mins

#design-and-architecture

[dim cradle]

Is the 30 items per minute upload limit on the dimensional crate a global thing, ie shared between all of them or is it per crate

[hard ivy]

It's per uploader. Also, it can be upgraded to 240/min

[dim cradle]

I see that, just seems very expensive..

Probably second tier upgrade is all I can do for now

[hard ivy]

All the upgrades cost less than a third of the mercers you can gather

[versed mirage]

Idea, 8 people, 4 starting locations, 2 people per location, and they all start at the same time, and see what happens.

[coral bough]

You might not have enough pipes taking then to the generators, mk2 can only do 600 per minute

[coral bough]

Only one hub

[versed mirage]

the hub gets placed in the center of the map, or there a multiple hub mod

[dim cradle]

Won't that just be a really slow game until someone gets to the center?

[versed mirage]

most likely, or since if one person unlocks it it'l unlock for them all, so I guess all the milestones could be unlocked and you just see what happens

[dim cradle]

well what would be an interesting outcome from that

[versed mirage]

Idk, whichever team would create the best factory or get to the first nodes and just see who can take the map

[dim cradle]

I think if there's a mod for it, it would be neat

because then they can compete on tech trees and see who can make the most out of what they have

Otherwise, dunno, doesn't seem like much incentive, just seems like it would be boring

[simple mango]

Confused why this one refinery is always at 97-98% and not 100%. Inputs are always full, output is always empty: #screenshots message

[versed mirage]

how long has the factory been up for?

[simple mango]

literal days and it was 97, toggled the power and it dropped from 100 to 99 immediately

ok the water might dip occasionally now that I watch it religiously. weird that it's the middle machine while the ends nearer and further from the feed are fine.

[dense violet]

there's really nothing else to do with the orbs so.. not really

[simple mango]

aluminum refineries like being switched off fo plumbing work, right? <_<;

[dense violet]

are the lights actually flickering? the efficiency meters are are not reliable

[hard ivy]

Depends what the setup is

[simple mango]

"Horizontal to Vertical" sure likes to throw in a bunch of fuckin diagonal pipes whenever it feels like it. :I

Well I added a water tower to make sure there was no air in the system, and upgraded all the pipes to Mk II to make the most of the "Slurp n Burp" feedback loop and everything seems happier now. I don't know why I thought Mk I pipes would be a good idea.

[solemn crystal]

can someone explain to me what a manifold is ;-;

[hard ivy]

The wiki can

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[hoary galleon]

hi all

[granite ether]

how do i put diagonal foundations

[hoary galleon]

is there a document or video that is good for explaining train network planning. Not one on basic construction, curves, signalling or that stuff. But about how different people go about planning where to build train stations, the concepts around individual platform on/offloading and weather you build stations per factory input/output, vs building Regional hub stations.

again, i stress, i dont need a primer on signalling.

I learned that from Transport Tycoon in the 90s

[simple mango]

ask 3 people and you'll get 5 different answers

[hoary galleon]

good

i would like 5 opinions, because games like TTDX or Workers and Resources:Soviet Republic all use railway stations that can load and offload simultaneously and across all platforms. But Satisfactory is per platform, per load/unload. and they're so large I'm trying to wrap my head around how many stations I'll need if they all serve only one item on or off.

both those games have trains configured by the carriages you put on them, while Satisfactory its your platform settings.

arguably all satisfactory trains are either "Goods" or "Liquid".

rather than "Grain", "steel", "mail" etc.

[simple mango]

Well, from what I've seen the general consensus is:

1. As you've noted the platforms pause while a train is unloading, so you'll never get full bandwidth on the belts. [Centralized depots tend to compound this, YMMV.]
2. Fluid cars have underwhelming capacity/throughput, so if you do decide to move fluids you may want to package/unpackage.
3. Mixing items in a car/station is a path to madness and strongly recommended against.
4. Single rail systems are another path to madness, double-rail strongly recommended.

But the rest of the how/where/how many depends entirely on how you like to build your factories.

I would have told you one method of loading cars a month ago, and I'm currently retrofitting to not do that anymore.

[hoary galleon]

Mixing items in a car/station is a path to madness and strongly recommended against.
So my thinking is throughput benefit is not making long ass conveyors, and less of an issue as each carriage is a double container, and items after HMFs are unlikley to quickly fill up a double container.
A train from the Swamp to the Desert pond start only takes about four minutes via the canyon.

[shy mulch]

Step 1. Guess how many stations/trains you'll need
Step 2. Wrong, double it
Step 3. Wrong again, add some more
Step 4. You didn't leave enough space, spread it out more

[hoary galleon]

im struggling with wrapping my head around Blank platforms.

And concluding that All unload stations will need smart/programmable splitters to sort the output to the requisite factory input.

since my thinking is you can get away with regional stations.

[wary perch]

I wanna put water in my coffee cup

[simple mango]

o_________o

[shy mulch]

If you want to save space at the cost of complexity, then yes. That's how I do it. Many people choose to have each platform dedicated to a single item type

[hoary galleon]

that gets quite large quickly

or you just build in the sky

[shy mulch]

Very large, my refinery depot has about 15 stations with 5 platforms per station

[simple mango]

Yes. Build in the sky. This game does not have anything approaching enough flat ground

[hard ivy]

I have one entire station per item type

[sterile blade]

I dunno if I'm interpreting this correctly, but I suggest against "general purpose stations/plans/design" and instead in favor of "ad-hoc" solutions.
Ie: building stations when/where needed rather than trying to make "hubs" that can handle any possible incoming

[hoary galleon]

I cant seem to post a diagram

[shy mulch]

'in the sky' and 'not on the ground' don't have to be the same thing. My first big rail network was way up in the sky and it proved to be simply unnecessary. My second one was just high enough that it avoided most of the unevenness and meanders around major geography, works well and looks a lot nicer

[hoary galleon]

over in #screenshots

[dense violet]

You can pretty easily build close to the ground. Just plan your factory around them

[hoary galleon]

the idea being the NW hills has a big flat area for a regional station. There are various factories around making things like Cooling Device, and other basics, but I want to ship in Heat Sinks, and Emag rods for a future NPP.
this could be all achieved with a pair of stations, Load and Unload

Unload can be handled by sorting.

[dense violet]

They aren’t super useful. You generally want to have a train going between a and b

[hoary galleon]

but loading stuff across the map seems to be a fight for whats in carriage 1 and 2

[simple mango]

hmmm should I pull the trigger on Quartz Purification/Distilled Silica? Or is that another path to madness?

[hoary galleon]

Or, I build a lot of two platform stations, everywhere, for every factory.

and the whole map becomes rail pylons

[simple mango]

construct additional

[hoary galleon]

yet i see people with neat global loops.

[hard ivy]

Yes and yes

[simple mango]

jesus that's a lot of silica

[hoary galleon]

and this is going to my ultimate idea that I'm at Phase 4 and Want to relocate the space elevator to the middle of the map and have all the major parts come to there to make Story components only.

[simple mango]

this is an absolutely problematic amount of silica, how could you do this to me?

actually I guess this might work with the sheer number of alts I've been seeing that have silica in them "for no reason"

but that's a problem for someone that's not sleepy. goodnight nerds.

[dense violet]

Eh, build stations as you need, create a main line along your factories and branch as needed

[novel heath]

hello just started a few days ago and wanted to ask how do i cross over to the bottom left part near the grass field spawn area? tried going around it but i cant find where i can cross over

omfg
building foundations im so stupid

[severe sun]

what would be the most flat and resource rich spawning point?

[bold ice]

Meh, I'm building the most spaghetti world ever. Simple goal is to have maximum efficiency to have MROE sink points!

bwp?

Wah, I thought Biochemical Sculptor was better

Maybe shoulda checked that out before already building 50% of the megafactory...

Well I think I shall finish this first

My one word for maximum efficiency, Overflow.

I'm not talking about overflowing all ingredients to sink, just having the overflowing stuff directed forward to other machinery

[frail sleet]

i got golden nut in p4 just from sinking what i automated

[zenith pecan]

Burn all the sloops in power augmentors, that way you have 0 sloops for duping 😛

[near frost]

Its a full 600 pipe

[coral bough]

Going to how many generators

And how much do they use per minute

[frail sleet]

There isn't any pipe ingame that can distribute 600 to generators built the way that you have

if it was 300 it would work fine

[coral bough]

Mk3 pipes should be added

[frail sleet]

the 600 is an "up to" figure

[coral bough]

But what if I make exactly 600 oil per minute and use a mk2 pipe to distribute it

[frail sleet]

then you split it into 300x2 before manifolding it

[coral bough]

Mk6 pipes

[coral bough]

What

[frail sleet]

The pipe. You can plug a 600 pipe into a junction and take two 300's out.

even splits on junctions work perfectly. Manifolds don't

[coral bough]

Theres buildings for that

[bold ice]

Sigh, I wish Drones wouldn't still be bugged

[coral bough]

I would like a visual demonstration

This made me think of odm gear from aot but as pipes

[coral bough]

I wish I could fly the drones

The fluid buffer helps with the sloshing yk

[bold ice]

Fly, or even have a handle that can carry you with the drone without crashing into drone mid air and damaging ficsit property without authorization

[coral bough]

Wait, does that mean weaponized trains are against company policy????

[bold ice]

And by bug I ment that they still run out of fuel randomly

[coral bough]

Reason to use weaponized trains

Trains definitely could

[bold ice]

I liked drones more. Just having you air space buzzing with hundreds of drones is satisfying.

[coral bough]

But weaponized trains

There should be something to send water back to the ocean

Or to Africa

I heard they needed water

[bold ice]

Thats ingenious! I just bottled it and sinked.

No.

[near frost]

144

[near frost]

The way I did it can't be split up

[coral bough]

You need more than one pipe network then

Way more

[bold ice]

Yeah some details still missing lol

[reef basin]

perfectly fine to carry 600/min, just needs some care when splitting to machines

[near frost]

Look I have 3 full pipes of rocket fuel and 1 pipe has 450
I have a section that has 44 fuel gens for every pipe that leaves me with 100 fuel gens for the full pipes and 64 fuel gens for the 450 pipe

[bold ice]

Do you know how hard it is to navigate inside the spaghetti unverse?

[near frost]

And I dont have a junction that splits the pipe to the 44 fuel gens section and 100 fuel gens section

I just plug the pipe in the 44 and overflow the rest to 100

Do u understand?

[near frost]

No? Each pipe takes 144 fuel gens

... i am gone have wayyyy more when in phase 5, almost 24 pipes of rocket fuel

Ya I am 100% skipping nuclear

[flint grail]

Uhhhh, this is weird...

My smart splitters aren't recognizing the overflow filter

It's treating it like it's none

[bronze atlas]

try reconnecting the belt, ive found sometimes they "connect" but arent connected

[flint grail]

Did that

Still nothing

[bronze atlas]

have you tried restarting the game yet?

[flint grail]

I literally just launched the game

[bronze atlas]

okay.. and have you tried rebuilding the splitter?

[flint grail]

Yep, still gets stuck inside the splitter

[bronze atlas]

hmm sorry no other ideas

[flint grail]

So, what do I do to get it free? Cause setting it to any can't work

Oh, so if one output is none, it'll hold it?

[flint grail]

^

Because I have one output set to none?

Or will it be all the time?

But if I have all outputs not set to none, it'll be fine?

And it has to be any?

Damn, ok...

Meh

I have that in my warehouse I'm making, lol

[near frost]

how many Shows have u finished watching while playing

i am personally mid-way through demo slayer

[flint grail]

I do YouTube videos

[near frost]

i watched all of kibitz lets plays cuz i wanted to know the game more

like since alpha

i finished when he was done with his 1.0 nuclear plant

now i am watching the unstable SMP

again

[flint grail]

Boats would be cool to have, ngl

[near frost]

where will u use them?

[grim marten]

is there a better way to transport stuff over a very long distance other than running conveyor belts across the map?

[flint grail]

I'm literally building on water right now

[flint grail]

Trains

[grim marten]

didnt get that far

[near frost]

trains/drons/trucks (not that good)

[grim marten]

would tractors be faster and more efficient than belts?

[near frost]

Drons are the easiest one

[grim marten]

im still in stage 4

[near frost]

if ur still the early game dont move stuff that far

[bronze atlas]

i used one tractor on my first playthrough and i was not impressed with it. I dont think they trump belts, but trains are much better once you get them

[grim marten]

i need coal

[flint grail]

Yeah, don't route everything to the hub

Make separate factories

[near frost]

i didnt even have a PC yet and tbh the main reason i got one so i can play satisfactory

[grim marten]

ur right i think it would be better to run power lines rather than belts

[flint grail]

Power Towers*

[grim marten]

didnt get that yet

[flint grail]

Check your equipment workshop

[near frost]

i still remember when there was no convear lefts and we had to use the belt towr

[flint grail]

Wait, power towers

[grim marten]

it's there i just dont have the resources

[flint grail]

That should be MAM

[native frost]

Is satisfactory better when played with mods or is it better to just leave it

[flint grail]

Yes and no

[near frost]

AUSOME SHOP

[flint grail]

Yes, that was it

[bold ice]

Never tried mods

[unkempt blade]

you need a variety of vehicles though if you really want your factory to be amazing!

[bold ice]

Somehow I'm scared of mods, they always crash and burn

[native frost]

Ok thats good

Bald bearing

[flint grail]

Could've been worse. Could've had coil whine

[near frost]

depends like i use mods that make my life ezier like daisy chain and curve builder and sky UI

[native frost]

Ok thats cool but play throught your first game with out it

[near frost]

if that happens to my PC i am crashing out

[native frost]

Than play with qql

Qol

[versed mesa]

👋

[near frost]

i wanna do that but i am already used to them and its my first save

they are too good

they save a dame big amount of time

satisfactory just satisfactory-s me

its wayyy to addicting

and cool builds as well

[flint grail]

Refined Power

[native frost]

I cant wait to start but im playing through my mc gregtech esk savr

[near frost]

see that mod changes core gamplay and i dont wanna do that

[native frost]

But i have alittle bit of money to splash

[flint grail]

Literally running my warehouse purely off of green energy, lol. I like refined power cause green energy

[near frost]

like anything that adds new stuff i aint touching
mabey when i finish i will do a fully moded save

[native frost]

Where do you guys get mods is it cursed forge or steam port

[dense violet]

Ficsit.app

[native frost]

Ill do acc research later

[near frost]

use them for stuff other then main production lines

[native frost]

Yeha smart

[near frost]

like guns for example

i am so far deep in the game that while i am out i still thinking about the numbers 😭

ya

about that my luck with alt recipes is insane like i got all the plactic and rubbur recipes first try

[native frost]

Majo is my lad

[near frost]

dont get too happy

[native frost]

No no always be happy ada would be disappointed

[near frost]

very smart trick

rush the geothermal gens early game its basically free energy

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> how's the boat-free boat physics coming along?

[native frost]

Ill keep that in mind

[near frost]

she is always disappointed lol

[native frost]

Lmao

[near frost]

like no matter what she aint giving u a raise

she is like my mom

never satisfied

[native frost]

Ur mum is an ai crazy shi

So are u like a cyborg

[near frost]

ya u could say so

got go byee

[native frost]

So sorrt

[hollow hazel]

I just passed by someone with a Coffee Stain umbrella on my way home. Neat.

[bold ice]

Damn drones! They are lazy.

[hollow hazel]

Ok, it was half an hour ago so not so "just". 😅

[novel heath]

just unlocked cole and apparently i need water alongside with it? my hub is at the southern part of the grassy fields so would yall reccomend me trying to use it?

[bronze atlas]

i would build a power station for coal near a lake that has a coal source. IMO not worth pulling it all back to your main base when all you need to benefit from the power is power lines

[zenith pecan]

Eww, I did that to my ex-wife a long time ago after having a bowl full of salt next to a bowl full of sugar (looked the same) and she got three spoons of salt in her drink, instant 🤮

[novel heath]

i cant send images so idk how exactly to portray it but to the east there is one that is much much closer so thats worth?

[bronze atlas]

not unless you also have a good source of water which is necessary for the coal power plant. I built my coal plant on a lake that had i think 3 coal nodes nearby

[autumn lantern]

is there a way to change the time? or have more light?

[novel heath]

ill dm you a ss cause im not sure if its a good source of water

[hollow hazel]

With a mod called SkyUI.

[bronze atlas]

press b to turn on your flashlight if you havent already. eventually you can build light fixtures. Controlling the time requires mods

actually you can probably use photo mode

[autumn lantern]

whats photo mode

[hollow hazel]

Press P

[autumn lantern]

thanks

[hollow hazel]

But then they can't build at the same time? 🤔

[bronze atlas]

true but photo mode is vanilla, so if modding is not an option its a way they can at least look around with better lighting

[hollow hazel]

Imagine only being able to build with the lights off. What is this, FNAF? 🤣

[bronze atlas]

feels that way when you go spelunking in the dark with the spooders

[hollow hazel]

Photo mode to see the horrors or gun to blindly shoot in the dark.

The only other power-hungry vanilla option is to build lamps all over the place.

[cunning siren]

If you have a fancy GPU you can enable Global Illumination and set the Lighting Mood to Bright 🤷. I personally find this game to be very bright in general, one can build a box with no windows around themselves and turn off flashlight AND still able to see perfectly. If overall brightness is an issue maybe the Gamma video setting may be helpful. All displays are not the same of course so adjustments may be needed

[hollow hazel]

In my experience I have found it hard on the eyes to build at night, even with all shadows off.

[random berry]

@cunning siren what does global illumination do?

[hollow hazel]

Basically RTX ON. The light bounces around almost like real light should.

[cunning siren]

Ray tracing hardware if you have a compatible GPU RTX/RDNA2+

Light interacts with and bounces off objects, updates instantly. Dark corners of your factory will catch reflected light from nearby bright areas, making indoor spaces feel more natural

Electrode Aluminum Scrap does not seem to boost output much at all 🤔

OK looks like it's mostly about saving the need for coal input

[scenic mirage]

why is placement like this 😭
#screenshots message

[bronze atlas]

game is promoting spaghetti i think.

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys... I am a bit scared.. so I am playing the game without music and for some reason there is a "Warning Ambient Sound" that sometimes play, like a siren...?

[bronze atlas]

not sure ive noticed that. Perhaps its a "you're not listening to the great music" alarm?

[mortal ginkgo]

but but...

[bronze atlas]

does anything happen when the alarm goes off that it might have been indicating?

[hollow hazel]

The real QA is why the devs seemingly ignore the QA. 😝

[bronze atlas]

like maybe you drew aggro from some local fauna?

[mortal ginkgo]

I wondered if it was my brain acting up because there is a construction going on right beside me, so I thought, hey "they got a chungus thing there so its probably doing that sound", but then I clicked out at the same out of the game window and the siren went away?

It happens very rarely but I will just say "brain doing them tricks"

ok it happened again, it is definitely in game

I am kind of close to the Elevator tho'

[hard ivy]

I mean it does increase efficiency by 11.1%

[bronze atlas]

well since i don't know what it might be, best guess is to just move around and see if you can figure out what changes when it goes off

[cunning siren]

Yea, and the "free coal" part is handy for some folk

[rotund pier]

Is there any youtubers that focuses on buildings?

[pulsar niche]

Why is ADA shaming me for killing that big round and tall entity that always (un)conveniently finds its way somewhere in between one 2 power poles, breaking the flow of traveling with by zipline, is she stupid /j

[hard ivy]

FYI: if a belt will be straight in default mode, it's likely to be wacky in straight mode

[scenic mirage]

ya ik its just funny lol

[mortal ginkgo]

ok I think I found it. It randomly happens near Truck Stations

[hollow hazel]

She is AI. I think that answers your question. 😆

[bronze atlas]

maybe it has something to do with the loading apparatus, like how theres a backup siren when big trucks back up

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah they are not powdered but then game got the habit of suddenly starting up a miner that is powdered but has full inventory just to jumpscare me

so its alright 😄

[shy mulch]

Wait until you see what happens after you kill 500 of them

[hollow hazel]

Achievment: You Monster

[cunning siren]

Maybe I'll do Electrode Aluminum Scrap not because I need to but for "yucks and giggles" 4 teh memes IDK something diffrent maybe

[dense violet]

its very convenient

outputs a bit more scrap and it's a lot easier to move a small amount of oil than tons of coal

[cunning siren]

Maybe If I think of all the puppies and kittens the 11.1% savings will help 🤔

[pulsar niche]

Tall beans or lizard doggos?

[trail briar]

@void gorge what happened to our 1.2 teaser if we looked after the CM when you travelled Japan?? plz.. we needs it.

[olive belfry]

I just recently unlocked the train system. Im using it to transport rubber and plastic as well as packaged fuel. Are there any way i can make splitters distinguish between materials and put them in the correct container? Or do I just have to have 3 different freight platforms to get that done?

[hard ivy]

Smart splitters. But I wouldn't recommend mixing items in a wagon/belt/anything

[mortal ginkgo]

always different freight platforms

unless you extremely know what you are doing (even then the hassle is not worth it)

[void gorge]

Oh, right

Today's video

[olive belfry]

but for what reasons tho?

[cunning siren]

Mah GPU hates the swamp for some reason 😭

[hollow hazel]

Look up "the hazards of sushi belts". 😄

[fiery vale]

Is there any news yet on kbm support coming to the console version?

[olive belfry]

my belts are already living in the fourth dimension so

[hollow hazel]

Then sushi away... 🤷‍♂️

[olive belfry]

👍 thanks yall much appreciated

[hollow hazel]

Wait, you are not at the Game Conference?

[void gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-apple-iphone-apple-iphone14-apple-iphone14plus-iphone-gif-26669095

[hollow hazel]

ah

[cunning siren]

Using this swamp water to make mah aluminum, it's GOTTA' taint it

I mean, look at how dank it looks

[split trench]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-pirate-pirate-salute-salute-intergalactic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-25016099

[solemn crystal]

FICSIT does not waste, that includes swamp water, for FICSIT is to exploit all

i mean its good lubricant for the machines

ever noticed theres not a single machine that has WD-40 in the recipe?

[green fiber]

Alright guess ill have to watch the video

LMAO

alright, well, at least thats something!

[earnest ridge]

We have the technology!

[green fiber]

funny that you can mix fluids in them

Now imagine of only trucks can do that and trains cant!

[earnest ridge]

Probably 2 tanks on the tanker, left = lower input, right = upper input.

[green fiber]

the fact that it still needs solid fuels...

[near frost]

OMG WE GOT FLUID TRUCKS

[hard ivy]

Can't wait to never use them

[hollow hazel]

Should be one tank is used for driving, the other is for transport...
Heh, imagine loading the wrong one with water... or nitrogen 💥

[earnest ridge]

Wonder why the truck is not fully shown, surprise trailer add-ons... one can hope, right?

[near frost]

MABEY THEY ARE GOOD

caps was in

[hard ivy]

They're trucks

Of course they aren't gonna be good

Now I'm wondering if they're gonna be in the same boat as trains - more efficient to transport packaged fluids than just fluids

[near frost]

mabey they like improved the AI or something

[obsidian zodiac]

More details to come..

[near frost]

and ofc this aint the full update

like mabey they improved trains

[earnest ridge]

Drip feeding the teasers...

[void gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-car-crash-fall-gif-16812258

[green fiber]

one thing that i can say: the flow rate coming out of the oil extractor seems relatively small and smooth.
Usually, a full mk 2 pipe is a bit more erratic

[obsidian zodiac]

can’t wait to share the integrated Pepsi sponsorship I landed. Finally we can all role play as a Pepsi truck driver

[green fiber]

Pepsi production line when?

Or like since FICSMAS is kindas closer, what about Eggnog

Ficsit™ Egnogg

maybe even Ficsit™ Pepsi flavored Eggnog

[hollow hazel]

I can see why it is Pepsi and not Coca Cola; they don't want to deck the trucks/trains in lots of tiny sparkling lights. 😂

https://tenor.com/view/coca-cola-christmas-commercial-commercial-christmas-coca-cola-christmas-commercial-gif-19391215

[green fiber]

that fact that oil extractors still dont have some kind of visual connection down into the ground and just magically make oil appear

[hollow hazel]

Yeah, not at all like the water extractors.

[silk rose]

imma wait for totalxclipse breakdown for what they showed in trailer

[cunning siren]

The build foundations in the water that may or may not go "under the map" so I can play the "place the extractor" mini game ... Naw bruh, I'll use this fancy blueprint that can nudge and place them in the water where I want

[upbeat jacinth]

dang there isnt a clue for whether they fixed the truck light and stopping position or not

[white dawn]

lol, CSS are such trolls, I love it

I wonder if 1.2 will include actual overhauls inside the fluid simulation as well

[rustic quest]

I just saw the latest video, you can't comprehend how happy I am about fixing fluids

[white dawn]

Honestly I'm not sure what the odds are that they've actually "fixed" (ie: overhauled) the fluid simulation itself

[rustic quest]

I already started another playthrough though so I don't know if 1.2 will arrive in time to be relevant in the short term for me but still if they fix fluids, especially the one specific instance of 600 pipes used at 600, it'll basically make the game perfect (I'm not exaggerating)

[white dawn]

(Note that you can generally "fix" fluids yourself already by adhering to various bits of pipe build advice. Stable 600/min is entirely possible already, it's just often very nonintuitive to do. :)

[silk rose]

oh hi yrouel i remember you

[rustic quest]

Oh I've been through that discourse when I played the first time I don't want to get into that again, I'm happy that they seem to have found the courage to touch that code since I had the impression they were terrified to not long ago

[silk rose]

helped me with doggos

[white dawn]

But yeah, I'm not sure what the odds are that they've actually overhauled the fluid system or not. :D

[rustic quest]

Indeed hi

[white dawn]

The video thumbnail's at odds with the video content, in a way, and I wouldn't put it past them to troll viewers like that. :P

[sick dragon]

Idk who asked for fluid trucks but honestly im ok with it

[rustic quest]

I hope not it'll be so cruel 😭

[white dawn]

Time will tell! 🥳

[short root]

The fluid trucks are nice, but I also expected something else from the video thumbnail.

[silk rose]

arent trucks useless by themselves

[white dawn]

Nah, trucks are just fine. I admit I prefer tractors in general, but they're an entirely viable logistics method

They're in a bit of a weird spot post-1.0, though, since CSS lowered the Train unlock threshhold by quite a bit

[rustic quest]

Anyway my second playthrough is going very smoothly now, given I had hindsight I strategized better the beginning of the game and I basically avoided the first awkward stage where everything is on the ground

[white dawn]

Used to be that Trucks had more time to shine on their own, but since 1.0 you've nearly got trains at the exact same time, which IMO does cut into Truck usecase a fair bit

[rustic quest]

Also I noticed being able to dismantle crash sites and getting relatively a lot of resources from the debris alone changed quite a bit the meta of the start phase

[snow rivet]

Can anyone help me identify why when I make a vertical conveyor, I press LMB to build, but it rotates the top part 180-degrees. Then I press RMB to rotate it back. Then LMB to build, and it just rotates it back. It doesn't actually build.

Am I doing somethign wrong or what?

[short root]

Mouse wheel for rotating or pointing to another location for rotating it? One of two should work.

[sick dragon]

Trucks themselves are fine. They just tend to be buggy sometimes. But fun to use

[scenic mirage]

is there any way to "filter" smoke from a refinery? i thought a large fan would do that but its not

[sick dragon]

All the copper in the dune desert i have gathered to a train station via truck. I like to use trucks for regional logistics and trains for inter region

[silk rose]

addy here, i remember we talked about fluids)

[short root]

not as far as I know, it's only visual

[white dawn]

Yeah, both the smoke effects from machines and the "fan" buildables are entirely cosmetic (and don't currently interact)

[short root]

The new video triggered me to wake up from deep sleep, but I am not sure if the trucks make it more complicated or less complicated.

[azure reef]

is there any reason to use trains and trucks over belts? i've never bothered with either because it just seems like a lot of hassle for something that can just be done more effeciently with belts

[short root]

It's fun to build the rail network and you can ride it yourself. But it's not "necessary".

[scenic mirage]

ah damn 🙁 would be dope if it worked like that

[white dawn]

Pure aesthetics can be one reason; I personally hate long belts; my threshhold for "okay this should be a tractor route" in the early game is quite low

[azure reef]

might try it out once i complete phase 2 on this save

[rustic quest]

Are you me? LOL I came to the same conclusion during my first playthrough. I rocked belts all the way, then drones

[silk rose]

i hope they are kidding about trucks being solution to any current fluid problem

[azure reef]

yeah im currently hating long belts right now, pain in the ass, i've just been transporting my outputs from each factory into my storage area with stackable conveyors with no foundation lol

[white dawn]

Once you unlock trains there are some very big advantages to rail. Namely: near-infinite throughput expandability. Build one kilometer-long belt and you've only solved that one specific logistic need that you had with the belt. Build a kilometer-long rail and over the course of a playthrough that one rail can end up holding a staggering amount of throughput

[rustic quest]

No foundations do make long belts look really bad I can see that

[short root]

They are a welcome addition for sure, but I suspect they add additional difficulties because the truck unloading will lead to temporary nonfull pipes and nonfull pipes behave differently than full pipes.

[silk rose]

that longest conveyor belt meme

[white dawn]

The "practical" case for vehicles (tractors/trucks) versus belts are a little more nebulous. Personally I just love seeing tractors trundling around the map, and much prefer them to belts once you get over a few hundred kms of distance

[azure reef]

once i have access to phase 3 im gonna try grind tickets and actually make my factories look nice. i'm REALLY bad for just leaving factories on a 1 floor foundation

[rustic quest]

Anyway I'm curious why do you move stuff to a storage place instead of having local uploaders?

[azure reef]

local uploaders?

[rustic quest]

I guess you haven't unlocked the depot yet

carry on then

[azure reef]

i always just ended up ignoring dimensional depot since i didn't understand what it did or how it worked lol

[white dawn]

Prior to building out a Depot system (which does take a nontrivial amount of effort), IMO there's still a decent niche for a central storage of some sort in the game. It takes awhile to really get your Depots fully usable

And then there's weirdos like me who just like building Central Storage anyway, but that's obviously a labor of love nowadays given eventual Depot capabilities. :D

[rustic quest]

You know it's not that bad, I literally just did it pretty much. most of the effort is in exploring for the spheres and a little bit of grind for the sam stuff but oh my it's worth it

[azure reef]

#satisfactory here's the ugly monstrosity that i made for 5 smart plating and framework/min

[short root]

According to Coffee Stain's YouTube channel, "This Solves the Biggest Problem in Satisfactory..." [the dimensional depot]

[azure reef]

#screenshots i mean

[rustic quest]

It's a literal gamechanger, you basically have items in the cloud so to speak always available to build and they are transferred to the cloud, the pocket dimension, with the depots which you put at each factory output basically

[azure reef]

how does the depot actually work

[white dawn]

Oh sure, I'm definitely a fan of Depots. :D But the exploration burden is pretty high, especially for players not yet used to the game

And those "early" upload speeds can be pretty annoying. :)

[azure reef]

wait so i can just transport items anywhere pretty much?

[rustic quest]

yeah I can see that but I wouldn't call exploring a burden

[white dawn]

You send materials into a depot, which sends them to a "cloud" storage for your own personal use. The cloud can by default store 1 stack of every item, and the Depot will upload at 15/min.

Both the stored-stack-size and upload rate can be upgraded in the MAM, to a total of 5 stacks stored, and an upload rate of 240/min

[rustic quest]

you have a special container sized devices that ingests the items and puts them in the pocket dimension which is connected to the build gun so at that point you can build using the resources that are "in the cloud"

[short root]

It's like an expanded inventory, you can pull from the dimensional inventory all items that are stored there. You upload them somewhere in your factory and you can access them with your pioneer everywhere.

[golden parcel]

can someone help me? my water doesn't go up to the coal power plant even tho i have a pump

[azure reef]

wait thats so op

[white dawn]

You can have more than one Depot uploading the same kind of material; for instance, most folks will end up with multiple Concrete uploaders, because a mere 240/min will not keep up with intensive factory builds

[rustic quest]

it is super op

[azure reef]

do i need every single mercer sphere though

[short root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtPseN3OyNU That is the video from Coffee Stain for that feature, if you want to watch it for more details.

[azure reef]

right i'll check it out

[short root]

The more the mercier, I mean, you need one sphere for every depot to build.

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, "burden" was maybe a poor choice of words. But it's a time investment for sure, and some players don't like to be Not Building Factories for that long. But yeah, exploration (especially since 1.0) is well worth anyone's time, for sure. Spheres, sloops, hard drives, and DNA, etc. :D

[hard ivy]

97 plus however many uploaders you want

[azure reef]

#screenshots i've just been doing this the whole time lmao

[white dawn]

There are about 300 spheres on the map. You need about 100 (I guess 97, given what KYO297 said) to fully upgrade them in the MAM, which leaves you with 200 for use in Depot uploaders. So there's effectively more than anyone'll ever need/want

[azure reef]

right im gonna go on a huge journey then

[short root]

I collected all mercer spheres and can confirm that therer are more than you actually need.

[azure reef]

it'll keep me busy while i wait on the smart plating and framework

[hard dawn]

Do we know if Coffestain will finally also buff the size of Train fluid cars

[rustic quest]

Now with the crash sites providing extra resources I noticed you can cut quite a bit off of the initial grind and even not bother to automate stuff at the very beginning when you'd typically set some temp stuff on the ground. I was able to pretty easily skip all that and start building directly on foundations and automate in a "nice" way from the very beginning.
You get a lot of the basic stuff from the sites it's really cool

[feral geyser]

I would hope so

[steady cedar]

i never used trucks, is the change letting trucks carry fuel?

[azure reef]

should i automate sam fluctuators too?

[white dawn]

One thing I've actually never done on a playthrough is go immediately hard into crash-site scavenging and doggo farming for early-game stuff (like, getting geothermal going in Phase 1, etc). Was thinking I may do that on my next. :P

[rustic quest]

yes but it's not something you can do early, you can automate reanimated sam very early but for the fluctuators you'll need to wait

[white dawn]

"Should" is a question only you can answer. Though IMO Automate All The Things. (Though Fluctuators themselves require Manufacturers, so it's quite a ways into the playthrough before you can automate those)

[short root]

For the late game yes, they will be important for many buildings.

[azure reef]

yeah i have all of the inputs needed for fluctuators automated separately but i dont have manufacturers unlocked so i guess i'll have to keep crafting them by hand

[rustic quest]

It's really nice now, crash sites were treasure troves before but now they are even better. I'm not bothering with doggos though I even installed a mod to pick them up just in case I changed my mind but every time I see one I realize it's not worth the hassle even then

speaking of mods, oh my god being able to nudge miners and make things neat and straight even with those it's amazing. I had only brushed on that on my first play and now having things nice from the very beginning is so...soothing

[azure reef]

i can never understand how people can perfectly lay out a factory and have their outputs go straight towards the next input, i always end up with conveyors going halfway across the factory to the next input

[hexed compass]

experience

[rustic quest]

Well it takes a little bit of planning and some trial and error and straight mode is your friend

(I'm loving straight mode for pipes they look so nice now)

[shrewd palm]

dont sleep on curved mode either

[kind oriole]

why does my train say "next stop is unreachable" when i could manually drive it there?

[severe sun]

i have no motivation to play the game

[rustic quest]

yeah true, that's nice as well, it "saved" me when I wanted to do a tight connection between two machines side by side no single mode worked but one half curved and one half straight looked perfect

1.1 brought so much polish in this sense it's amazing

[shrewd palm]

station might be pointing the wrong way

[kind oriole]

does the arrow need to point the way i need it to go?

[rustic quest]

By chance does anyone have a nice spot for steel production? Like an area that has coal + iron + limestone but that's not perhaps better suited for other uses like in late game in combination with SAM.
I know it's subjective but like if you have a spot I'm open to suggestions

[shrewd palm]

yes

well

[kind oriole]

ok ill test it

[shrewd palm]

the arrow is what direction the train will be facing when its parked, so you want to have everything set up so that the locomotive ends up in the train station and the freight cars are in the appropriate area to unload/load

[hollow hazel]

Read ahead on the wiki. Follow the production lines and plan.

[shrewd palm]

if you're in the grassy fields theres a spot next to a big pit

[rustic quest]

I'm not asking how to make steel, it's just that in my first play I did it a bit haphazardly and perhaps there's an area that's especially suited for that production.
There are multiple such areas in the game where there's a rather obvious "suggestion" meaning the resources fit nicely a specific production even though of course you can do whatever you want

[rustic quest]

the coal node next to the caterium or the one next to sulphur on a rock?

[kind oriole]

still doesnt work

[hollow hazel]

When the train arrives and parks, is the forward facing locomotive pointing in the same direction as the station?

[kind oriole]

yes

[hollow hazel]

And all platforms are behind the station?

[shrewd palm]

maybe your tracks are mixed up?

[shrewd palm]

next to the other pure node in that biome

[sick dragon]

Pit a screenshot or make a q and a post. It'll make helping easier

But im willing to bet the station is backwards

[hollow hazel]

q and h is the name of the forum here on discord 😉

[sick dragon]

Meh

[kind oriole]

it isnt

i did it 5 min ago

[sick dragon]

This is why im saying put a screenshot in #screenshots or make a #1038092680493801533 post because allowing us to see it with you will help us help you

[kind oriole]

ok

[sick dragon]

You mean translated or just what that is

Because i do

[hollow hazel]

Stop trying to break your stereotype! 😂

[rustic quest]

@white dawn I recall you had some issue with 1200 belts, were you able to do some experiments once the item flow meter arrived?

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys I want to ask something.

It is very important.

And I want HONEST answers only.

WHO ASKED FOR TANKER TRUCK FOR 1.2?!?!?!?!

[sick dragon]

I work for a popular aerospace company and am an Air force brat so

Im not allowed to say who I work for but you should be able to take an educated guess lol

[hollow hazel]

We're gonna need much more than that little cropped picture.

[kind oriole]

some rails

u want me to send the whole rail line?

[sick dragon]

What he said. Get a bigger aerial view of the station and the tracks surrounding it

[hollow hazel]

We. Need. DETAILS

[sick dragon]

If you have signals take a block or path signal out and screenshot that so we can see the blocks too

(Its easier to make a q and h post 😉 )

[kind oriole]

signals?

[hollow hazel]

There are none.

[sick dragon]

nervously raises hand

[kind oriole]

i think

[sick dragon]

I didn't ask them but I thought they'd be neat to have. Idk if that counts lol

[white dawn]

heh, my feeling is that they might really have done a fluid-system overhaul for v1.2, and today's teaser was more or less an intentional troll for the community (though I don't doubt that they did create a fluid Truck as well). Time will tell!

[zenith pecan]

Oh god, oh well, I'll just stick with epic pipelines crossing the map 🤦‍♂️

[mortal ginkgo]

MY BROTHERMAN I luv u. It means they also worked on trucks and stuff that are wonky about them.

[rustic pier]

Is it a bad idea to have a single belt for incoming materials? Im thinking about revamping how i have my containers set up for my 5 manufacturer production line..

[mortal ginkgo]

I wouldn't say "might", they indeed did it and teased further.

[white dawn]

Nah, I still haven't actually made the time for a v1.1 playthrough, but the performance-related problems that I had run into definitely didn't require belt readers to observe

[kind oriole]

wait if the rails are in the air is that a problem?

[rustic quest]

you mean mixing muliple different outputs on a single belt?

[mortal ginkgo]

Don't lose hope. What if they fixed the trucks?

[white dawn]

AFAIK the only tease was the video thumbnail? Unless I've missed something

[sick dragon]

Rails dont care about that

[kind oriole]

and do trains care about that?

[mortal ginkgo]

There are around 1 or 2 times that they said "they made some changes that we will like".

not in the video

[hollow hazel]

No. Not a problem. As long as they are connected it should be fine.

[white dawn]

Aha, gotcha. :)

So yeah, a good possibility, then. I didn't think they would touch the fluid simulation much now that 1.0's out, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. :)

[rustic quest]

I wonder if it's still a thing in 1.1 or if perhaps the performance improvements they just announced in the exp could help (by freeing cpu for the simulation)

[rustic pier]

Yeah, i have a belt pulling in materials from a train and when i have a bunch of items, say aluminum casings or similar it seems to lock it up sometimes. Course might be because i need to program something into the splitter i have for overflow to other containers. Once it reaches a certain point it splits off to go to its storage but its janky up till that point

[zenith pecan]

Trucks would make the world look more alive, but tbh it's a point of failure that would offer headaches down the line, at least with a pipeline/tunnel I will know I'd get a static throughput value.

[mortal ginkgo]

I will just say that, teasing people more was a rather bold move. Many people are having problems with Fluids so I assume there was some overhaul to a large degree.

[white dawn]

Still, I love the "omg look a fluid truck!" troll, regardless of what other fluid content might come in v1.2. :)

[mortal ginkgo]

If they are fixed, I wouldn't say its a headache. I like my wonky ass tractors wobbling around!

[zenith pecan]

Still nothing on vertical splitters not snapping level is discouraging.

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I was like "brother what the actual f*ck why is that pipe going to a Truck Stati..... oooo....oooohh..... OOOOOOOOOHHHHH..."

[rustic quest]

if the belt capacity is there in principle you could do that, I find it a bit messy except in few cases but you can use the smart splitters as sorters at the other end of that belt anyway.
But things need to move freely otherwise it's easier to clog

[hollow hazel]

And this is why you don't invest in sushi belts. One belt per item, one train per item.

[mortal ginkgo]

imagine game got no floor holes. now create your factory around that fact ONLY to add the floor hole as a cosmetic item. This now works 100%.

As long as you dont start the vertical belt from a floor hole, it works too.

[zenith pecan]

Didn't line up when I tried from a mine 🤷‍♂️

[mortal ginkgo]

you shouldn't directly link from a mine, anything.

[kind oriole]

these rails are almost as hard to make them work as it is to listen to barbra streisand

[zenith pecan]

Why not, that's the whole point of the mine/smelter towers that fit on a tiny footprint, it's the only reason I find the verticals useful, otherwise I just build conventionally.

[hollow hazel]

You need to be smart about it...

[snow rivet]

That worked to rotate it back in place. It then let me build

[rustic quest]

@rustic pier anyway to make a sorter with the smart splitters use one splitter per item, one ouput set to the item you want to sort and another to any undefined to move the rest forward to the next splitter. Then it' might be a good idea to have a final catch all splitter at the end of the chain to catch any unwanted item if there's potential for them to enter the system (this is more likely for manual drop off like if you make yourself a system to handle slugs, animal remains etc)

Also you might want another smart splitter for each output to handle overflow of each item

[mortal ginkgo]

Miners are not aligned to any grid

[rustic quest]

@mortal ginkgo they are not in vanilla, IMO a mod just for that is really really worth having. I started my new playthorugh with infinite nudge and oh my it's amazing (I literally use it only on miners and later extractors)

[zenith pecan]

Also didn't work out when I tried inside the foundry, but meh, I'll just forget it, too many non-answers or bs suggestions, smart, ~ yeah considering the scale of how I build, I won't even bother dignifying edwards reply directly.

[hollow hazel]

See? ^^ Thmart! 😄

[sick dragon]

I dont really use the world grid much anymore

I might start on it for force of habit but other times ill just build. With rail lines and what not the grid becomes negotiable

And to connect nodes to a factory i branch some foundations to the node so I know what to work with when placing foundations

[rustic quest]

If I ended up with crooked foundations meeting with other crooked foundations I would go mad

[sick dragon]

You can hide it lol

[rustic quest]

knowing that if you stick to the grid things will align no matter what it's nice

[mortal ginkgo]

I found true freedom when not sticking to a grid constantly.

[hollow hazel]

how's the spaghet? 😂

[mortal ginkgo]

..... RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[white dawn]

You can still have spaghetti while trying to stick to a grid, and have clean non-spaghetti factories which aren't on a grid (or at least which aren't on a single unified grid)

My first-playthrough factories were not exactly things of beauty, even when on foundations and such. :)

[hollow hazel]

true

[rustic quest]

that's true, and if you build many separate things that are unlikely to be joined it probably matters less but if you start building an area then another and things grow into eachother and you get misaligned foundation...oof

[hollow hazel]

But this playthrough I'm working on where everything is neatly on grid (and 45º angles) I think I am going to intentionally pasta a building. 😂

[mortal ginkgo]

45* angles changes so much stuff man.

#design-and-architecture message

Like, I love them.

[hollow hazel]

I know. Trying to bridge two buildings with catwalks is a nightmare. 😭

[white dawn]

Eh, plenty of ways to merge disparate grids if you do have the urge to hook things up. I remain of the opinion that World Grid was a mistake. :D (Edit: Okay, "mistake" is overselling it a bit, but heh.)

[mortal ginkgo]

catwalks are just nightmares alone but they can get inside each other well

[nova igloo]

FLUID TRUCK LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[unkempt blade]

Those mk2 factory carts in the fluid video today look pretty awesome. Mk1 carts were already the best at moving fluids and now they're supersized

[hollow hazel]

Almost. The z-fighting on those patterns is... blegh.

[mortal ginkgo]

regular catwalks dont have them I think

the "industrial" one just hurts the eyes anyway

[hollow hazel]

Funny enough the "industrial" with their jagged edges merge into each other beautifully.

[ruby iron]

man... this game is creepy wtf

[dense violet]

from the video? seemed pretty normal, no stuttering or anything

[ruby iron]

i kinda not like it but like it too but why does it have to be creepy

i have a mix of emotions about it that i dont know how to express

[hollow hazel]

Experiencing the horrors of the Mercer Spheres?

[green fiber]

yeah but mk 2 pipes arent exactly known for flowing calmly (and slowly) when full in most cases

[ruby iron]

yes...

[green fiber]

could just be a coincidence

[dense violet]

once you flood the system and it stabalises it's ... pretty normal and never flickers.

[ruby iron]

also the SAM invention tree in the MAM

[green fiber]

given how oil extractors make stuff in bursts, its not that unusal for the flow rate of the mk 2 too suddenly surge and then die down

[ruby iron]

dude... why tf is it so creepy..

[hollow hazel]

Sell your soul... For bigger and endless pocket space! 😁

[dense violet]

That would suggest never being able to get consistent 600 flow from them

[sterile blade]

Because the unknown (aliens and their tech) is supposed to be scawy?
Just one of the stereotypes around alien and space exploration ^^

[rustic quest]

@green fiber hey hi, it seems the many prayers to fix fluids/pipes might have been answered after all

[hollow hazel]

Look, look. All you gotta do is sit down and get to know it over a nice cuppa tea. 🙂

[rustic quest]

I'm really...pumped...for this announcement

[green fiber]

just maybe.
we'll have to see once its actually released

[shrewd palm]

theres stuff happening?

i must know more

[ruby iron]

i didnt want to think about the fact that im playing into someone evils hand in a factory utopia game

[sterile blade]

It's Friday, new video is out ^^

[rustic quest]

Indeed but honestly as I said earlier they seemed terrified to touch that code and the very fact they are addressing the issue now is pretty cool

[cunning siren]

ADA said my promotion will be delayed cuz I bought parts! 😭

[sterile blade]

Spoken like someone who hasn't watched the video yet

[ruby iron]

you can buy parts?

did i skip something?

[green fiber]

The machine outputs tend to output stuff in bursts and outputs it at the max pipe speed.
if the machine produces the next burst just as the last one ends, then of course it can move 600/min.

What im talking about is how it isnt very usual for mk 2 pipes that are full to flow at a rather slow, calm pace.
Given how that burst of production tends to make them surge.

[rustic quest]

I know the video seems trolly but doesn't mean they aren't really addressing the issue

[ruby iron]

i guess i did

[sterile blade]

Fair. I think the truck is all the "fixing" there is, but who knows... Fingers crossed! XD

[rustic quest]

yeah from the shop, in a pinch can be really useful but generally speaking shouldn't be the norm imo

[cunning siren]

Buying parts can be handy if you are able to make so many coupons that it will not change anything 🤷

[ruby iron]

i thought you only got cosmetics from there

[dense violet]

I'm re staring at the video with the pipes. Do you just mean the little clampy motions on them?

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> ||💧|| tho?

[green fiber]

i mean the indicator of the pipe that moves the oil.
the blue-gray one

[ruby iron]

im blind af. i didnt see the parts tab, thanks. tho i dont think i need it

[green fiber]

the indicator gives you a clue as to how fast the pipe is flowing

if it moves very little and doesnt suddenly change how strongly it pulsates, flow rate is small and stable

[cunning siren]

If you are lazy like me, you won't "need it" and you'll use it anyway 😆

[green fiber]

@dense violet yep that one

[dense violet]

I imagine if that's the case they just aren't moving nearly 600 flow in that pipe then

[green fiber]

and in the next scene you can see it in the background again

[white dawn]

I'm inclined to think that there are bigger fluid changes coming; I'd be amused by the video thumbnail troll even if not, but they've apparently also hinted at other changes on stream, and it'd be admittedly a bit of a cruel tease given how many folks do want fluid-system changes

[dense violet]

or some thing odd like belts not looking like they are backing up when they should be

[green fiber]

yes its not nearly 600 or even 300

[hollow hazel]

impure node moment

Or someone forgot to include the animation when working on the video.

[green fiber]

heck it even merges with another pipe

[hollow hazel]

it clogged 😆

[green fiber]

no i do believe the animation of the indicator in the video do properly reflect the flow

and its flowing calmly and slowly even while full.

If you worked with mk 2 pipes and any sort of elevation changes too, you know how they can act while full

[leaden turret]

🛑 🔨 ⏱️

[green fiber]

Im not saying that perhaps they tweaked it, but just maybe...

[ivory condor]

I'm not sure what to make of these teased fluid changes, besides I still dislike mk2 pipes but I have just accepted reality that all pipe manifolds need to be looped to get any sort of stable throughput

[mortal ginkgo]

dont worry brotherman, we got more news

[green fiber]

just maybe they really did tone down the dynamic pressure

[ivory condor]

more news?

[leaden turret]

1. they fixed it
2. they didn't fix it but made it a gameplay setting to simplify it
3. they didn't fix it but simplified it without an option to preserve legacy behaviour
4. they didn't fix it and the troll will be met with many boos when it's actually announced

[rustic quest]

Maybe the looping ritual will be gone who knows miracles can happen

[wicked nacelle]

I’ve been out of the loop. Have they addressed the train bugs at all? Mostly around building rail?

[warm goblet]

Does anyone actually use the trucks? I don't trust them, I'd rather mile-long conveyors.

[white dawn]

I don't use trucks much, but I use tractors quite extensively

[green fiber]

my steel factory makes use of a truck

[white dawn]

Once you know how to work with vehicles they can be 100% reliable

[green fiber]

i trust that one

[warm goblet]

[ivory condor]

That would be a miracle indeed, because I standard mk2 pipe just don't deliver 600m3, systems i have tried to design that way have been a utter failure of a disaster

[white dawn]

Just takes a learning curve, as with everything else in the game. IMO vehicles' poor reputation is mostly undeserved

(Though I do hope they eventually squash the bugs related to pause nodes)

[dense violet]

don't record bad pathing and design your factories for them. They work fine

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> I hope it's not number 3 or 4 😛

[ivory condor]

So while I would wish looping of mk2 pipes wouldnt be needed, that is unfortunately at least in my experience, very much needed

[white dawn]

The one with blue pause nodes especially is quite egregious

[dense violet]

it had better be 4

[mortal ginkgo]

back before the video they already teased fixes and changes

[raw dragon]

Are they teasing water trucks? 🤔

[green fiber]

4 implies that G2 really doesnt want to fix the bug he talked about with the way buffers act

[shrewd palm]

i'd say showing them is quite a bit more than a tease

[green fiber]

which would mean he lied in the last dev interview

[leaden turret]

it's teasing water trucks in the same way that outback steakhouse teases they sell steaks

[green fiber]

and i dont quite think thats true

[white dawn]

Fluid-carrying trucks are basically 100% confirmed (I doubt they'd go to the trouble of trolling so hard that they show off stuff that won't exist). The stuff that's being teased is possible tweaks to the fluid system

[rustic quest]

It was the single thing that made me hate the game toward the end of my first playthrough. Completely killed the vibe for me back then.
Especially my rocket fuel factory was a nightmare (the nitrogen input), I shudder thinking about the hanger that thing brought me

[leaden turret]

or that IHOP teases they sell pancakes

[white dawn]

wait, what?

[raw dragon]

I wasn't sure if we already had those or not 😂

[green fiber]

the one thing im not sure of is if the fluid trucks can be configured to load one (or rather 2) types of fluids and unload 2 entirely different ones

[leaden turret]

international house of 🥞, not international house of

[green fiber]

likw what if it loads water and oil and offloads fuel

[white dawn]

Ahh, gotcha. Right, Fluid Trucks are new. At the moment the only way to transfer liquids (as liquids) are pipes or fluid freight cars on trains.

[rustic quest]

Or package it

[green fiber]

thats not longer a fluid

[leaden turret]

if we get fluid trucks but no fluid , I shall be disappoint

[shrewd palm]

i hope they add more storage capacity to fluid cards but ig that would make the trucks irrelevant

[raw dragon]

Oof

[white dawn]

Ooh, y'know, I wonder if we'll be able to fuel vehicles with liquids directly now

Instead of needing to package 'em first

That'd be lovely

[leaden turret]

video shows packaged fuel going in 🤷‍♂️

[green fiber]

according to the video no

[white dawn]

Heh, alas

[green fiber]

still has a solid fuel input

[white dawn]

Thank you, lazyweb. :)

[ruby iron]

question: did they fix anything about the fact that when you disassemble a tractor with stuff inide IT JUST DISAPPEARS?

[rustic quest]

I don't know if that's better than canisters to be honest, dragging pipes to each station seems more annoying than belts

[white dawn]

(To be fair, distributing packaged fuel to stations would be easier than liquid anyway)

[white dawn]

Yeah, when I thought about it for a second the logistical challenges became apparent. :D

[ivory condor]

My biggest mistake I kept making was designing standard mk2 pipe manifolds thinking it would all work fine, running the factory for a while and realizing none of it was working even close to properly, so yeah it killed vibe for me to

well wasnt the worst thing, but i did have to go back and put loops on many systems to get things working even close to correctly

[green fiber]

with mk 2 at max flow, the recipe really matters.
recipes dictate how big the network usually will need to be for 600/min and also affects machine timings

[ivory condor]

I think my biggest problem is my brain just keeps forgetting this needed rule, aka pipe loops

[rustic quest]

My thing didn't even work with loops, I can't overstate how frustrating it was

[white dawn]

Yeah, once you get in the habit of building pipes in The Ways Which Generally Happen To Work™ then they're not really a big deal, but if you're not in that habit yet it can be annoying

[green fiber]

ngl I just use Pipetuner and live in my own ideal pipe world now.
I dont care if its no longer vanilla, it feels better and you can technically just make it work like that ingame by just entering 3 console commands every time

[white dawn]

I'm not personally too bothered by the current fluid state, since I got into those habits awhile ago, but I do think it'd be great for the game if those kind of particular build techniques weren't so often necessary

[green fiber]

the system is restrictive is the simplest way to put it

[white dawn]

The first-time-user experience with pushing fluids to 600/min is often a painful one. :)

[green fiber]

opaque and restrictive

and its not opaque in the best sense at times

[white dawn]

Especially since the simulation tends to be more forgiving before that point. So you're used to building pipes which work but then suddenly you're doing the same thing and they don't

[green fiber]

when theory and practice dont agree

[ivory condor]

Unfortunately that mod didn't fix my pipe manifolds, i tried it, it didn't work

i kind of wish those results were different, but alas it was not meant to be

[green fiber]

rocket fuel i think?
yea gas is its own class

[ivory condor]

yeah rocket fuel

[green fiber]

Gasses have their own set of rules
PIpetuner mostly helps with liquids and tries to not make gas worse

[white dawn]

Anyway, it's exciting. I really didn't think that they'd touch the innards of the fluid simulation post-1.0, so it'll be nice if I'm wrong. If they have gone in to tweak things, it'll be interesting to see if any existing builds end up breaking. Folks do a lot of strange stuff with their fluids (often as part of attempts to work around 600/min weirdness), I expect there's edge cases somewhere for systems which work now but might stop working if the simulation changes

[green fiber]

in any case, tanker trucks sound fun so far.
And perhaps some theorized truck improvements are also coming

[leaden turret]

||thee who smelt it dealt it||

[green fiber]

most saves i tested with the change just ended up working better

like universally

gas maybe not as much but at least it didnt actively become worse really

[rustic quest]

If the fixes break the bandaids it would be kinda karmic imo lol, a sort of poetic justice

[rugged stratus]

I deleted all my factories, I just unlocked coal power plant what should I do to make a good looking thing? I was thinking covering part of the biome in foundations and gathering all the resources to make tower factories for every item I could make

[green fiber]

the system still does have some bugs in it.
the whole junction rotation bit affects head lift in clearly unintended ways

[ivory condor]

thats why i have mixed thoughts if they should try to fix it so standard mk2 pipe manifolds dont have throughput issues

as you say attempts to fix some cases like this could have unforeseen effects on existing systems

[white dawn]

I mean honestly if they're willing to risk potentially breaking existing setups, I'm all for it. As I say, I don't personally mind the current fluid simulation since I've learned to work with it, but it's clearly a pain point for a lot of users

[mortal ginkgo]

I think they would give a huge warning if they did. They probably fixed internal simulation that supposed to go correct in the first place.

[white dawn]

I do hope that liquids stay different enough to be interesting; I don't want them to turn into Belts But Round, but I'm definitely in favor of making things less painful for folks currently running into the simulation's limitations

[haughty meteor]

With the blueprint autoconnect feature, is there any way to make it connect the power?

[white dawn]

Of course this is all assuming that they really have been working on the fluid simulation. Could be we're all getting trolled and the fluid truck is all we're getting. :D

[shrewd palm]

wait so are all these changes going live on experimental or do we have to wait until 1.2

[hard ivy]

Probably until 1.2 experimental

[leaden turret]

I've sent @obsidian zodiac a potential shitpost idea for something else for the Pioneer 😛

[white dawn]

Heh, at the moment the only change we know of us the fluid truck. :) I would expect them to eventually show up on Experimental, though, like v1.1 did

[leaden turret]

fluid truck and fluid truck station

[hasty lion]

1.2 is clickbait
no one asked for fluid trucks... even if they would be a good way for fuel transport... Fix Truck Behavior first!

[rustic quest]

it's fine

[leaden turret]

November 12th, 2024 Livestream
Q&A: Would it ever be possible to do Fluid Trucks or Tractors?
https://youtu.be/yqnSgNuX8qM

This question may have been asked previously at least 9 other times, as recently as November 2022 and as early as August 2020.

[rustic quest]

I wouldn't call fluid truck a priority but meh if they want them let them

[hasty lion]

my bad

[rustic quest]

I'm of course more interested in what they do with fluids

[white dawn]

... but has anyone asked about fluid factory carts?

(for real though, the fluid should visually show up in the cabin of the factory cart. This should be a mod if nothing else)

[ivory condor]

well i personally skip vehicles for logistics, im more of a belt to train type of person

[hasty lion]

same

[ivory condor]

so yeah fluid trucks, mostly not interested in that tease truth be told

[sick agate]

I thought I remembered wanting fluid trucks, in reality I remember wanting fluid input for fuel

[white dawn]

In the end there's no reason not to have fluid trucks, of course. Trucks are positioned as a sort-of competitor to trains, and trains can carry fluids directly. Though I expect that most folks do just go right to trains, especially with 1.0's lowering of their unlock/build cost

Fluid trucks would have a more obvious niche if trains were still as expensive as they were pre-1.0

Still, no reason not to have 'em in the game. :) Options!

[silent escarp]

anyone who plays in PH ?

[spare ice]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to ask about turbofuel vs rocket fuel. Any ideas which road to go? 😄

Should I turn heavy into fuel into turbo into rocket?

[white dawn]

The progression in terms of energy density goes: fuel -> turbofuel -> rocket fuel -> ionized fuel

[leaden turret]

||they evaporate if left out in the sun||

[white dawn]

Which one you want to use will depend on your circumstance, plus what you want to use it for

What's your intended purpose for it?

[spare ice]

Just to get maximum power really

[leaden turret]

I misread that while adjusting my chair and I shall leave it to your imagination as to which word I misread.

[white dawn]

Rocket Fuel is the definite fuel-power meta. You'll get a lot more power out of the same amount of oil when you refine to Rocket Fuel

[spare ice]

I see, should I just go with the straight recipes? if you know what I mean

Should I have ref for heavy ref for fuel ref for turbo blender for rocket fuel ?

[hard ivy]

the amount of power only depends on the amount of fuel you make. 100 GW is achievable with all of them

[white dawn]

For power purposes, a lot of folks advise skipping Turbofuel, in fact -- at that stage of the game, using the Diluted Fuel recipes (packaged or otherwise) is often a lot more convenient than using Turbofuel

[spare ice]

Emphesis on the achievable with all of them 😛

[white dawn]

(IMO Turbofuel's fine for power in phase 3 so long as you've got oil+sulfur+coal right nearby where you're putting in your power, but I wouldn't advise anyone seek out sulfur+coal if it's not already at hand. But you do get more power from your oil with just Diluted regardless)

[rare thunder]

when are they adding molten metals

[spare ice]

I have the means to go with rocket fuel, but I tried to do math which recipes to go but it messes with my head ;:P

[rustic quest]

If you want the most bang for your buck go with heavy oil residue, diluted fuel and nitro rocket fuel

[spare ice]

I see 😄

[spare ice]

Is that also the "easiest"

[hard ivy]

depends on the buck lol. default rocket fuel can save a lot of sulfur, nitrogen and coal, at the cost of oil

[white dawn]

You can always use calculators/solvers like sftools (https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production) to help you out with that, btw

[sterile blade]

Yeah, you make some good points xD

[rustic quest]

it's not hard to implement, there's a bit of a grind as the last step placing a lot of generators but blueprints can really help with that especially now with autoconnect

[spare ice]

Tyty Do I just put in rocket fuel and how much I want per min?

[spare ice]

What does auto connect really do ? I havenot really used it much

[rustic quest]

yes but an area such as the blue crater is perfect for the nitro recipe you basically use all the resources in the area make a boatload of power and call it a day

[rare thunder]

did they add the fluid fix yet or just teased it?

[white dawn]

Yep, and tweak the recipe list on the recipe tab to force/compare various possibilities

The graphs will update with the solver's recommendations as you go

[rustic quest]

I haven't either but like if you have pipes and belts in your blueprints and build them next to eachother they should connect

[spare ice]

Aw realllllly 😮

[white dawn]

(You might need to explicitly disable a recipe or two if the solver insists on using one, of course)

[spare ice]

I seee 😄

[white dawn]

You could also use the Inputs tab to clamp down how much oil is currently available and use the "maximize" dropdown, though remember to only maximize when you're doing a single output on there. The solver doesn't deal well with "maximize" if there's more than one output

(And if you do maximize an output, once you have an answer you're happy with, it's better to convert it to a per-minute and slap in the exact number, rather than leaving it at maximize)

[spare ice]

I had to read it twice to know what you mean lmao 😄 I seeeee tho

[rustic quest]

@spare ice for diluted fuel you can do it either with packager/unpackager/refinery in a triple self contained loop or with blenders, blenders are more straightforward and space efficient

[spare ice]

Ill just put in how much oil I Have nearby and use maximize instead to let it calculate

[white dawn]

If it gives you "can't calculate result" btw, it'll be because you're missing some enabled alt recipes on the recipes tab. :)

[spare ice]

Im trying not to package and straight into blender if possible 😄

[spare ice]

Yeah I enabled all alt recipes 😄

[rustic quest]

if you have the blenders then yes of course

[spare ice]

That shouldnot be a problem. im at 19k ish

But now with the converters and quant machines etc

the consumtions exceeds easily

[rustic quest]

I see

[spare ice]

Spec with some shards or w.e 😄

[rustic quest]

yeah when you start powering those big boys the consumption skyrockets

[white dawn]

The other quirk with sftools, btw, is that it likes using Converters in its solutions, just due to how its resource weighting is set up. It's helpful to disable the SAM input altogether if what you're doing doesn't involve Tier 9 tech

[spare ice]

Yeaaaah

Thhat is true, ima disable converters because I cba to be honest

atleast for this

[rustic quest]

Also once you have rocket fuel going set some aside it's really nice for drones and also to make ionized fuel but the latter is only really good for the jetpack. It's in fact awesome for the jetpack

[spare ice]

Yupp I have refs making rocket fuel for the drones and some for jetpack.
I havenot gotten to around to ionized. Dont have enough shards to automate 😄 '

[alpine anchor]

random ass qustion again since i just got power storage, i keep seeing people make blueprints of mini biomass burner power plants, can you fully automate them now? or do you still have to collect like leaves and trees and stuff by hand

[white dawn]

There's still an unavoidable hand-collection of biomass w/ bioburners, at least in the nonmodded vanilla game

[rustic quest]

if I had to guess those blueprints are more to deploy them quickly in the field for example to open a pod or to build something and have power to kickstart it.
If you save the blueprint with fuel in the burners they'll deploy like a battery basically

[flint aspen]

Can confirm that’s what they’re for

[leaden turret]

can avoid hand-collection of biomass with hand-collection of creature parts

[stuck barn]

Anyone know if the 16" Lizard Doggo plush is available again in Canada? Websites says "Note: Currently out of stock in Canada - new inventory arriving this summer"

[alpine anchor]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, ok so i should still be like saving leaves and wood and stuff, i just trash them

[rustic quest]

I prefer to splurge for the power augmenter anyway, 500MW open all the pods

[leaden turret]

they have decently responsive support stuff, can ask them directly

[stuck barn]

Cool, thank you!

[alpine anchor]

also whats the next lvl of power after coal? im quickly running out and i dont feel like running across the map to another big set of coal nodes to make another powerplant

[leaden turret]

spicy coal

[stuck barn]

Oil

[leaden turret]

(pretend sulfur is mustard)

[stuck barn]

yummm

[alpine anchor]

wait your telling me i can mass produce the freedom liquid

[rustic quest]

if you want tons of biomass and then solid biofuel quickly animal remains are way more worthwhile than leaves and even wood, like you make stupid amounts of it with the creature bits especially if you can sloop the chain

[alpine anchor]

wait this is great

[stuck barn]

loud bald eagle screech noises

[violet maple]

z

[alpine anchor]

i dont really know how like somsersloops and mercer spheres work, im going tot ry and find more later today for dimensonal depots

[leaden turret]

bald eagle red-tailed hawk

[rustic quest]

the sloop 2x your output at the cost of more power

[stuck barn]

Sommerslops will basically double your output in your Manufacturers, Assemblers, etc. without needing double the input

[rustic quest]

but even without those with animal remains you can still make a lot of biomass then solid biofuel and then liquidbiofuel for the jetpack

[stuck barn]

Mercer Spheres are used to build dimensional storage depots and you'll need a ton of them to level up your depots stack size and upload speed

[white dawn]

"Should," as always, is up to you. Personally I continue to process bio products into biomass (in case I ever feel like building U-Jelly pads), solid biofuel (for future chainsawing), gas nobelisks, and Liquid Biofuel (for jetpacking), so I don't ever trash any of it. Collected material gets put to work. :)

[rustic quest]

in my first playthrough I ended up literally having too much fuel and not knowing what to do lol

[stuck barn]

To the sink!!

[rustic quest]

sloops are seriously op lol

[rustic quest]

it still felt weird to sink liquid biofuel to be honest so I didn't

[stuck barn]

You'd have to package it first

[charred sandal]

Man is there a setting that increases my mouse speed in menus? Mouse sensitivity doesnt seem to do anything there

its driving me nuts how slow my cursor moves in menus

[rustic quest]

Yeah I know, I ended up with like 5 industrial containers full by the time I switched to ionized fuel

I just stopped producing it

[stuck barn]

I wish you could sink nuclear waste

I usually just build like 200 storage containers waaay off map and send it all there with drones or trains

[white dawn]

You can if you process it into Plutonium Rods first. :D

[weak shoal]

i'm building a train system and if i try to do a timelable it says station unreachable, but if i use manual guide i can reach it normally, how do i resolve?

[rustic quest]

Making the reprocessing factory is not that hard, if you went to the effort to make the fuel production and build the power plant the reprocessing into plutonium rods is not that bad

[white dawn]

(And if you'd rather burn the Plutonium rods, that waste can't be sunk but it can at least be processed into oblivion for a bit extra power)

[stuck barn]

Ugh, this is why I barely ever do trains

[weak shoal]

i made an intersection, that's the problem?

i mean doesn't it change by itself the direction of the rail?

[leaden turret]

typically means the train station is facing the wrong way

[feral geyser]

Your stations are probably wrong

[weak shoal]

wait, station has sides?

[feral geyser]

Yes

[leaden turret]

forwards and backwards, yes

[weak shoal]

dang

[feral geyser]

There is an arrow when you build them

[leaden turret]

trains cannot reverse into station on autopilot

[white dawn]

The "round" bit on the roof has to face "out" (and the front of the train will drive "into" that curve, like a foot going into a sock. :)

[hard ivy]

trains cannot reverse in general. they can only switch which locomotive is the main one when docked at a station

[white dawn]

look at how inoffensive that metaphor was

[leaden turret]

drives train backwards to prove a point to person who doesn't know what they're talking about

[versed mesa]

👋

[azure reef]

okay 2.5h later i just need the two most expensive upgrades for dimensional depot and i'll be done

it might be the best feature in the game

[versed crypt]

how do people make stuff like this? https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/8249/name/5+Stacked+Fuel++generators

[rustic quest]

Indeed. I'm at the same level and I don't have the faster belts/lift anyway so at least the last speed upgrade is pointless for now while I can take my time for the last stack upgrade

[azure reef]

i have mk3's so i think i'll get the upload speed and the last stack size can just wait for now

[rustic quest]

Did you also unlock the upload from inventory?

[azure reef]

yeah ofc, its great

i found computers at a crash site

[rustic quest]

it's so nice

[versed crypt]

the somersloop in question

[white dawn]

Mods, mostly

[versed crypt]

but its vanilla

[white dawn]

You can construct blueprints using mods which can still be used in the vanilla game

[versed crypt]

ohho

thats quite overpowered

i mean hey man as long as it looks nice

[azure reef]

i meaaaaaaaaaan

[versed crypt]

those fuel generators r fuckin giant

[white dawn]

Mods will let you do all kinds of overpowered things, sure. :)

[azure reef]

the power consumption is pretty bad for the stage that i'm in but its great for tickets and power shards

and i got two augmenters they're great

the base power from them alone are pretty much equal to my coal gen

[versed crypt]

never thought id hear the words coal gen and augmenters together

good lord

[azure reef]

yeah i unlocked them early so i thought i may as well

[versed crypt]

but like carryin that stuff over to vanilla is crazyy

[versed crypt]

im savin them for my giant rocket fuel power plant project

now with this newfound knowledge thanks to apocal im gonna go make some blueprints to indulge my insanity further

[azure reef]

jeez

[rustic quest]

Keep in mind it's also handy to be able to build a power augmenter when you're out exploring to open pods unless you prefer the biomass burner method

[azure reef]

im nearly at phase 3 so fuel gens soon

[versed crypt]

im 320 hours into a save and im working on my big aluminum right now

[azure reef]

im using the majority of my power right now and its nice to have some leftover if i need it so im gonna leave it for now

[versed crypt]

god i love sloppy alumina alt recipe

[azure reef]

but later that will be pretty nice

i dont think im using a single alt recipe in any factories rn lol

[white dawn]

No more crazy than just using the mods yourself, IMO. But probably not a discussion worth having. :D

[versed crypt]

you dont really need any until later stages

[azure reef]

yeah furthest i got on another save was right before uranium for fuel

too complicated i brainfarted and quit

[versed crypt]

i reccomend investing big into alt recipes once tier 5-8 roll around
ESPECIALLY for oil based infrastructure
some recipes literally just give you purely more stuff without extra input

[versed crypt]

dont know why people find this game complicatd its just time consuming

[azure reef]

any useful ones to look out for early phase 3?

[versed crypt]

like oil?

[rustic quest]

I mean depends, even very eary some are really nice to have. Cast screws is a classic but like even iron pipe is nice for many uses like having a production of pipes to shove in the depot for building needs without bothering with steel for that

[azure reef]

i saw the satisfactory tools diagram thing and just went "no im not doing that"

[azure reef]

yeah

[rustic quest]

heavy oil residue and diluted (packaged) fuel

[versed crypt]

people who use that are either nerds or scaredy cats
just make it work you can focus numbers later

[rustic quest]

that's a bad idea, having to scratch your head after everything is built to balance things is awful it's much better to have some plan ahead of time

[azure reef]

i use it to know how much of each building i need and how much input i need for each seperate thing

[rustic quest]

also such tools help to visualize what you need to help your reasoning, planning and execution

[azure reef]

also to see if i have enough power

[versed crypt]

you plan out as much as you can to avoid the inevitable

[rustic quest]

yes but I'm of the idea that you should just build so much power that it doesn't ever factor in your building, it's a very easy thing to remove from the equation as to not worry about it

[versed crypt]

basically what i meant to say is you dont need to spend all that extra time using all those tools
you can just start a production chain, make it work and figure out numbers from there

[rustic quest]

(it helps for me that I find building power plants one of the best activities in the game)

[versed crypt]

i find aluminum rlly cool

[rustic quest]

the problem is when it's not just about numbers but needing extra inputs and machines, then it can all become a spaghetti mess really quickly

[versed crypt]

working on a pretty big plant right now, 150 hours in on it

[versed crypt]

logistic floors
hiding spaghetti inside foundations

[rustic quest]

yeah but at some point it's still just a mess awful to work with

An yeah I also liked my aluminium plants especially because it was the one thing where pipes and pipe stuff didn't cause me trouble even though according to the pipe bible it should have lol

ironically enough it's where mk5 belts gave me grief

[mortal ginkgo]

dont take that bible for granted

[rustic quest]

Anyway it's nice to start a new playthrough, some hindsight is really helpful to make things nicer and better planned from the start

[mortal ginkgo]

some people still question it to this day

heretics

[cunning siren]

BEHOLD!... wonderful noodles 🍝 #screenshots message

[rustic quest]

Nice, I imagined worse since you said noodles

Also what a lovely place to build the company is wonderful

[versed crypt]

i see no noodles.
sham

[versed crypt]

sloppy alumina
pure aluminum ingot
elliminates any silica issue

[cunning siren]

Look at those pipes, kind of noodle like

[rustic quest]

indeed and the math works out nicely between refineries

[versed crypt]

its what im workin with rn
im also making batteries right nearby and im having to manage their water byproduct rn
working on a drone powered water packager sinky thing

[rustic quest]

You can do a full 1200 bauxite node with 4 + 4 refineries and 9 + 9 smelters if I recall correctly

[versed crypt]

hah you think i go straight for nodes

im pulling bauxite off half the world

w trains

and bring it into one location

[rustic quest]

Well sure I meant just that it's a very compact system with the right overclocks and those alts

[versed crypt]

yup

[mortal ginkgo]

bro is literally on the sky

[cunning siren]

That's how I roll

[mortal ginkgo]

bro is doing better than me on the sky 😭

[rustic quest]

I mean down there is full of spiders after all

[mortal ginkgo]

they are smol and friendly pls

[rustic quest]

Sure 😉

[mortal ginkgo]

#screenshots message ok this is it.

Every Bean dies.

The guy literally attacks my tractor while I am watching!

[dim cradle]

wait does this not have a crouch toggle?

or am I somehow missing it... because that's kind of decades ago tech.

[leaden turret]

crouch toggle would discourage teabagging and css devs are massive trolls, maybe the two are connected...

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> plz confirm

[dim cradle]

Was just wanting an easier way to bomb the spawn plants oh well

[dim cradle]

Doesn't seem like there's a way to rebind it to CTRL, either?

that's what I use in most fps for crouch

[rustic pier]

So currently the setup goes from the train, to a coveyor that heads to the production storage area, i have a 2nd belt under to pull faster. I sort out some specific items that go to a diff machine and everything else hits the main belt. Near the train i have a large cargo area to store items that i have not specified in the programmable splitters yet. Splitter also kicks items over to another long term back up storage area. Main belts head toward production storage and a few items get split off before the containers. After that each container has a smart switch programmed for the item. After the containers it loops back around through an overflow programmable splitters yet which either puts it in an over flow container or sends it to longterm storage/sink. Production belts are set up per input through 5 manufacturers and loop back through to go back around through the containers. I have an offshoot taking the mass needed items (alum casings, rubber, etc) before it hits the manufacturer return loop. #screenshots message

[weak shoal]

how do i make the trains stop to take resources with the auto driving?

[mystic oriole]

TotalXclipse is the nobelisk for guides

[dim cradle]

Starting to wonder if my skybridge addiction is a problem...

[mystic oriole]

never a problem. Do try to enjoy the game your way.

[dim cradle]

The only problem is that the entire sky is just platforms lol

Just feels so cheap bombing the enemies from above where they can't touch me, but on the other hand it feels so good

[kind oriole]

guys how do the alien power augmenters work?

[mystic oriole]

there's no right or wrong way to play the game

[clever stone]

^

Sky bridging is just an early game alternative to carpetbombing with the hoverpack