satisfactory

[frail sleet]

.. the parachute goes up?

[spark sky]

It goes up inclines.

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it's really nice for early exploring. Can do some parachute cheese waaaay before you unlock the jetpack

[spark sky]

Think of it like base jumping into updrafts.

I've often been planning to land somewhere with the parachute only to find myself going back up because the place I was going to land was a hillside.

You can also get a Steam achievement if you "bounce" off of the Space Giraffe Tick Penguin Whale Thing (I did that by accident while using the parachute).

[fluid grove]

is there a better thing to go for first in tier 1 before evrything else?

[true mulch]

Splitters

[fluid grove]

why splitters over everything else?

[true mulch]

Normal and pure miners can support more than 1 smelter

And then again for constructors

[spark sky]

The changes in my coal power plant design logistics: #screenshots message

[spark sky]

Because building supply chains to multiple machines is better done with splitters, whether you are making manifolds or load balancers.

[sly karma]

Coffee Cup Studios has a Halloween event right now. There is a mug for first place and other prizes for runners-up.

CCS discord https://discord.gg/coffeecupstudios

[pale dew]

Finally, i can get into 20 hours of building a aluminium factory

[near frost]

only!!

[prime rampart]

Guys should i use the iron nodes at the desert not dune one and the nesrby nodes fo make my first megafactory?

[near frost]

mine (just for the MK 5 belts) took 10h

its like making 200 of them

[pale dew]

my first megafactoyr was at the dessert

for the adaptive control unit

[prime rampart]

The other one where there is a uranium node on the biggggg rock

[pale dew]

Dunno

what ya talikng about

[prime rampart]

Not dune desert

[pale dew]

https://imgur.com/a/lzRvb4a

this is my map, idk

[prime rampart]

Oh

[vague timber]

Just found out about existance of vertical mergers... Tried making them work for 10 min. Decided to never use them again

[mortal ginkgo]

they truly dont like to work alongside with ground conveyor holes

however they are great when you get to know them

but being truly buggy is something we all agree

[plain osprey]

#screenshots message
@steel dome
yes, but on the miners he number is how much items per min you output

[steel dome]

oh ok

damn thats gonna take some time

atleast i get 12 nuclear plants out of it

[mortal ginkgo]

and lots of waste ❤️

[pale dew]

how much per min should i get the allu plate and casing

[mortal ginkgo]

yes

[pale dew]

im just starting the factories and idk what numbers to input

[rustic pier]

wish i could set my default material.. or can i and i am just stupid lol..

[pale dew]

?

[steel dome]

ive figured ill just turn the waste into plutonium fuel rods then sink them because i dont have fisconium yet but when i do ill have plutonum plants with there waste into fisconium power plants

id say its a good plan

[unkempt blade]

Can always stop sinking them and do something else with them later too. Don't have to worry about waste until then though 😄

[steel dome]

yeah

im gonna need a lot of foundations

like 200 by 200

[unkempt blade]

Ooh or what about 40 stories of 10x10?

[steel dome]

that is actually a good plan

[cunning siren]

TIL: You can snap node extractors to a foundation and it will help align other stuff with it 🤔 It also makes them look like they are levitating sometimes 😆 #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

A huge nuclear obelisk as a monument to your architectural hubris greatness as a ficist employee

[steel dome]

#design-and-architecture message this aint even that bad

[shy mulch]

A while ago I uploaded a blueprint to SC, it has 120 industrial storages, all linked together, with a single input atd a single output. Stamp that blueprint 10 times and even the biggest nuclear waste setup can be ignored for quite a while

[unkempt blade]

I for one support the "radioactive zone the size of the entire map" speedrun format

way more interesting that %package

[candid torrent]

i bet with strategic belt weaving you could irradiate the entire planet pretty fast

[spark sky]

I don't know, you sure it would be "pretty"?

[candid torrent]

ehhhuhh no as fast as it could be tho i guess

[cunning siren]

On closer inspection the DNA capsules are cylinders of meat 🤔 Who wants a 🍔 ?

[shy fog]

🍞🥓 🥩 🍞 = ??

[spark sky]

(Sing to "Sunshine on my Shoulder" by John Denver): "Bacon, on my burger, makes me happy. Bacon, on my sub, can make me cry. Bacon, in my omlet, is so tasty. Bacon, almost always, makes me fry."

[candid torrent]

alien protein is just ground meat i’d be down to try it

[spark sky]

You know, I don't think the game lets us eat it.

Well, we ought to be able to at least cook it in the microwave.

[mortal ginkgo]

you can at least inhale it

[frail sleet]

I'm waiting for them to add birds so that we can get air meat

[mortal ginkgo]

shouldnt Beans give at least 10 remains with that size and HP pool of theirs?

[cunning siren]

Ahhhh, unlimited liquid biofuel INC

[mortal ginkgo]

send me some bro

[crisp barn]

does anyone else experience straight belts geting misaligned

very slightly, when on turns

[candid torrent]

yes and it pisses me off

[cunning siren]

Bean can have some... NONE 4 U! #screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, the belt support first when that happens

[candid torrent]

i use default mode for long straights

[mortal ginkgo]

Cmon I am nice to Beans in my game!

[crisp barn]

hopefully they fix it soon

[candid torrent]

i hope so too but they’re pretty good about fixing annoying issues

[mortal ginkgo]

I find it funny how Default Mode is more straight than Straight Mode sometimes.

[tropic juniper]

sometimes i lay down all my straight sections first, then i go back and connect them all with curves

[candid torrent]

coffee stain has peak qol

[mortal ginkgo]

Sometimes Curved Mode is indeed more straight lols.

[candid torrent]

i love curved mode so much

[rustic pier]

I need an / wall..

[feral geyser]

Awesome shop

[rustic pier]

there is no hash wall?

[feral geyser]

Slanted wall?

[rustic pier]

yeah for like a triangle foundation >.> would like those too xD

I have half foundations.. why not triangle :-p

[feral geyser]

We have those

[tropic juniper]

straight belts? why no lgbtq+ belts?! I hope this joke is taken as whimsical and stupid as it was intended

[feral geyser]

They're called ramp walls

[crisp barn]

I need a half width wall

[rustic pier]

that too

[feral geyser]

That we don't have without mods

[crisp barn]

yeah

also I need decorative grass

[feral geyser]

YEESSSS

[rustic pier]

Right Like a triangle foundation with a wall to cover the long side, and half width for those times you use a half width foundation

[mortal ginkgo]

Use Large Beams. They make great half walls

[rustic pier]

by jove lol

double beam thing works too

[mortal ginkgo]

yup, they actually make walls look better

[candid torrent]

i actually only use lesbian place mode

makes all of my conveyor belts love flannel

[tropic juniper]

as a canadian i dont get this one. doesn't everyone love flannel?

[feral geyser]

It's either libertarian boys or lesbian girls, no inbetween

[candid torrent]

oh god you’re so right 😭

(and canadians)

[feral geyser]

I see the name typing and I'm worried

[clever stone]

I’ve been looking at all the cool stuff in #design-and-architecture and like

How the heck do you guys even manage half of this stuff it looks amazing

Especially the circular buildings

[feral geyser]

Either exceptional patience, or Curve Builder mod if you can't be bothered

[willow storm]

did they change pumps in 1.1? i feel like they used to be less problematic

[mortal ginkgo]

1- Time
2- Tricks to make them can be watched in youtube

[clever stone]

It’s rather cool stuff ngl

[mortal ginkgo]

Also if you want truly painless circular builds, there are mods that allow you to do what you could do in hours, to be in seconds

[mortal ginkgo]

they were always problematic, but they hinted some stuff related to them in 1.2

[willow storm]

that must be it because they're deleting fluids now

at least, if you don't place a buffer or something between them

[mortal ginkgo]

I never seen deletion before

Coal Gens and such store them even when offline.

[crisp barn]

why is there a cooldown on glass smacking sound

no fun allowed

[mortal ginkgo]

why would you want to hear such a smack sound 5 times a second? What is your purpose?

[willow storm]

i had a whole system prefilled but when i started it the water generators lost their buffer after a while

i removed the pumps and it seems fine now

[crisp barn]

I like the sound

[crisp barn]

also wdym 5 times/second?

[mortal ginkgo]

you sure they were not used up? I mean, if you told me "I saw Obama in pipes one day." I would believe that.

[mortal ginkgo]

thats the joke.. that you could hear that if there wasn't a CD...

[crisp barn]

youre still limited by the movement

[willow storm]

i mean, production and consumption were equal and everything was completely full so...

[mortal ginkgo]

.... I think I am just too old for this generation.

[mortal ginkgo]

well I would believe that, if they were exactly the same.

Hope 1.2 will bring good news.

Because they hinted changes.

At least improvements.

[willow storm]

I really hope so

also i had an identical system without the pumps running in the background

i just checked and it still has the buffers

[mortal ginkgo]

I know one guy could not keep up 600/m water demand for a nuclear plant despite the same setup working in other places and it is as simple as 2 water extractors being linked to it directly

so I will never fight or say "you doing it wrong".

90% of the reddit questions are about pipes. I am content that the system behind is wack as heck.

Aeryn is typing to tell how wrong I am. Time to run! 😭

[frail sleet]

No i just typed "a" in the discord window by accident when WASDing 😄

[willow storm]

ah yes the classic "now i don't want to do it anymore"

[mortal ginkgo]

... I don't believe it.

[frail sleet]

The fluid system is not great but i hope they go the route of simplification and fixing a few bugs, rather than making it more complicated.

IMO missed attempts at realistic complexity are behind most of the problems, a few bugs aside

[versed mesa]

Please check out my post when yous get the chance #screenshots message

[willow storm]

i don't mind having it be complicated, but it really should be consistent

[opaque shadow]

300 pipes have yet to betray me in this playthrough

[versed mesa]

Why 300 pipes for what ?

[opaque shadow]

ah, mk1 pipes

[feral geyser]

Just to not hit the 600 limit?

[versed mesa]

Hmm what you got going through them and how far?

[opaque shadow]

I'm hitting the 300 limit in a few places, but everything seems stable so far

[opaque shadow]

fuel, water

[feral geyser]

As long as you're not consuming at the limit, you rarely* run into problems

Also, if you are consuming at the limit, prefill pipes.

[opaque shadow]

how far, estimated ~1km

[versed mesa]

Why you not got one pipe to all

[shrewd hatch]

how do I use the blueprint maker

[willow storm]

i think the problem with using the whole limit is you'd need maximum flow 100% of the time

[opaque shadow]

#design-and-architecture message

[feral geyser]

You build something inside, then save it. Saved blueprints appear in a tab in your build gun menu.

[willow storm]

which can't happen due to how pipes are designed

[mortal ginkgo]

thats why the best thing to do is either pretend they are 595/m pipes or fill up from both sides (which doesn't solve everything but alas)

but then it is annoying to not be able to use it 100% while belts has no issue

which comes to = pipe code is wack

[feral geyser]

The good news is, we all know it is wack, and we can plan around it.

Fluids are always messier than solids, even irl.

[opaque shadow]

the planning is pretending 600/min is actually 550/min

[versed mesa]

Could I please get some advice on my post please

[mortal ginkgo]

My brother here telling that "it is ok for them to be messy" while in this game we can have flying foundations all around the place including my mom being on them.

This is a game. Nobody asking ultra realistic fluid system in a sandbox wacky game.

[opaque shadow]

#screenshots needs image for a comment so

[mortal ginkgo]

Let them behave different? Sure. Let me debug, let me see the flow, let me see my mom in them.

[versed mesa]

What you mean images are there

[mortal ginkgo]

I rather them being same instead of being different for the sake of it if it gonna be wack

[feral geyser]

Your mom will come home after she's done here

Cuz she's fixing my pipes right now 😏 🥴

[mortal ginkgo]

BROOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[feral geyser]

They're getting deadlocked on water

And i heard she knows how to make things gush

(Alright I'm done)

[sick falcon]

looking in that channel makes me so sad about my undecorated factories

[willow storm]

i mean... they can still cause issues but that's the exception instead of the rule

[mortal ginkgo]

solution: decorate them

[mortal ginkgo]

they cause issues because they are wack, even devs know they are wack

I think they thought "surely noone will want to use them in 100% power"

but humans are known to take fun out of it for the sake of efficiency

"I can power up 69420 fuel gens with one mk2 pipe and I will NOT use any less!"

[opaque shadow]

what to do if you have no idea how to even begin

[mortal ginkgo]

Would you like to look at my "Phase 1 Pretty" base to get ideas? It is ok to steal (get inspiration from) other builds after all.

[opaque shadow]

sure

[mortal ginkgo]

#design-and-architecture message

Here is someone who requested it, right below is the save file. Enjoy!
Edit - Removed save file link. Feel free to request as DM

[reef basin]

fyi sharing save files in this server is forbidden by #rules

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message @wary crow not sure if anyone answered you or not but thats just a bug that happens with straight mode when you do corners

fixed by going into another build mode and make a short segment

[willow storm]

"surely nobody who plays the optimization game will try to optimize the pipes"

[reef basin]

more like "pipes work fine at 100%, but people think they are just covered belts and act like that"

[mortal ginkgo]

In their defense, they thought people would think about the flow issues. But themselves never gave a way of debugging the flow in the first place (despite the data is being there)

And then there are people like above "where all is fine" but then I am sure devs think other wise when 90% of the reddit and questions here are about pipes.

Again, my "Nuclear Plant sometimes asking for more than 600/m water" is a proof but alas.

[reef basin]

and 95% of answers are "human error"

I'm not claiming the system is fine as whole, but pipes can very much be built to handle 600/min, when properly handled

whether or not it is a good game design is a different question

[opaque shadow]

what is "properly" is chaotic

[mortal ginkgo]

We made this talk before, I don't need to do it again. The "Problems for Human Errors" are funny enough sometimes work, sometimes doesn't, and sometimes not for all.

You cant "properly" handle something when system is not allowing you to debug it.

[reef basin]

eh, there are ways to build that work for 99% of cases

[opaque shadow]

it's essentially random

[reef basin]

that's only true for things like vertical junctions which have actual bug

[mortal ginkgo]

belts can work 100% of cases regardless of how stupid they are built, but pipes can maybe not work for %1 ?

Give us all a break.

If pipes had a "perfect 100% working way", people would know it by now.

[opaque shadow]

~10%, more like

[mortal ginkgo]

Its been 7 years. People are complaining about weird fluid behavior that is different for each and every person for years.

[reef basin]

no, I said that they way to build that I recommend (vertical pipe loop) works in 99% of cases

not that it works for 99% of people. It works in 99% of cases. Remaining 1% of cases need a different solution to get working

[opaque shadow]

for me it was 0%

[mortal ginkgo]

there are people who stats vertical pipe isn't working for them either.

[willow storm]

if there's one thing i remembered about this server it's greeny's crusade about how pipes work

[reef basin]

and practically all of those cases I've seen end with "you haven't built it as we said"

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, it is ok to defend something, but being a Crusader is something else.

It is ok to be wrong. It is ok to state whats wrong about a game you love.

I love this game.

This game is great.

It's fluid system is GOD DAMN AWFUL.

[reef basin]

I never said the system is good

[willow storm]

the one case I've managed to make pipes work at full throughput was by putting a whole ass tank at each exit of the manifold

[reef basin]

I just don't like "pipes are broken and can't do 600/min" claims

[willow storm]

which is just excessive imo

[reef basin]

yeah, buffers usually hurt more than help, wouldn't recommend

[willow storm]

i mean, it did work, it's just so bulky

[mortal ginkgo]

My problems are solved by other means and I hardly feed stuff from upwards.

I see people who are having problems when building the way you say.
I see people who are having problems that are building the things the way I do.

I see the problem. You don't.

The code is wack. It is random. It is impossible to debug despite the data being there.

I also have tons of buffers and they do absolutely NO HARM to me.

Because I like their look. They look cool.

[opaque shadow]

judging from greeny's posting style
I can only conclude that they are anti-change, anti-fun

[reef basin]

you can build a buffer for looks and clip pipe through them. Same looks, better fluid mechanics

[shy mulch]

100% of my pipes work as expected. Where's the 'randomness'

[hard ivy]

99% for me I'd say

pipe issues are skill issues

[willow storm]

i mean, my system did just delete 600 units of water so

[reef basin]

randomness is in people's minds - they build "same" system which is actually different in some ways, and claim "it works/doesn't work"

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't need to. My fluids are fine.

But I am not going around telling people to build like I do. Obviously buffers are acting up for them.

So I don't dodge the issue. I don't say it is a "human error" or "skill issue" like some do.

I understand that the game's code is wack.

[reef basin]

(again, not counting cases like vertical junctions where it depends on orientation which is impossible to figure out purely from the game)

[willow storm]

definitely this, my pipes work for me but some people talk about situations I'd simply have no idea on how to fix

[shy mulch]

If some people have hundreds of pipes that all work perfectly. And some people can't get any pipes to work properly at all. What part of that leads you to think the pipes are the issue? We're playing the same game. The only difference is the players

[willow storm]

i don't think anyone is taking someone who can't get a coal gen running seriously

[reef basin]

I'm yet to see a properly built system acting up (just to be sure - again not counting things like vertical pipe junctions with confirmed bugs)

[mortal ginkgo]

I can go ahead and state that "multithreading is done wrong" for pipes. Thats why the same setup is good and fine for others but for some it gets borked after an hour or two.

I don't understand to need the defend such a wacky system.

Even devs don't defend the system despite the fact that the wast majority of reddit posts are about them.

[willow storm]

hell, I've seen pipes exceed limits in both flow rate and contained amount

definitely not a system you can call consistent

[opaque shadow]

there's the 370 meters of headlift thread

[reef basin]

sigh again I'm not defending the system as whole. I'm saying that when built properly, pipes work just fine and can reach 600/min throughput

I'm not saying the system is perfect and I'm not saying that I'd like to keep it this way

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, good for you.

Now go tell that to the person that got Nuclear Plant water issue despite using the same blueprint for their pipe system which is simply 2 water extractor fed into the Nuclear Plant as close as possible.

And for some INTERESTINGLY SKILL ISSUE OMG HUMAN ERROR PROBLEM, some of his Nuclear Power Plants are totally fine while few Power Plants of his simply gets water depleted after a few hours.

Interesting skill issue.

What's the next defense? Headshot sometimes working in Counter Strike and sometimes not?

[reef basin]

afaik you can't BP water extractors

[mortal ginkgo]

Its funny how "inconsistence" should be defended but people would LOSE THEIR GOD DAMN MINDS if mk6 sometimes acted 1199/min.

[willow storm]

when built properly pipes work 95% of the time but that's just minimizing risk

[shy mulch]

I don't understand why so many people get upset about it. So the physics is a bit funky, so what, it's very easily predictable. You don't complain about other predictable but inaccurate physics, like floating train stations or monsters not seeing you if you're crouching

[mortal ginkgo]

You can BP pipes. If you didn't get that part, I mean you are here to dodge the issue.

Good for you.

Keep the dodge.

[willow storm]

matter of fact it did and people did lose their minds

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I remember it getting patched lol.

maybe they should have made their belt setup better.

maybe a loop?

[reef basin]

matter of fact it didn't. Belt to belt connections did.

wasn't specific to mk6/5/whatever

[willow storm]

i mean, my system has consumption equal to production. my extractors are running at 100% of the time. but it still ate up 600 liter of buffer

how can someone predict that

[willow storm]

i mean yeah but you get the idea

[reef basin]

just saying 🙂 because it's very common for people to then claim "X is broken", and misinformation spreads easily, similar to the above mentioned "mk2 pipes are broken"

[opaque shadow]

your behaviors say more than this comment

[tropic juniper]

see this a lot with the new bf6 lately. where people are saying hit reg is broken, but the game just has very aggressive bullet spread when you're firing full auto. it's working as intended

[shy mulch]

If mk6 belts started making out at 1199 and devs said they weren't going to fix it, I'd plan around it and assume a max of something like 1160

If I'd already built all my factories based on them needing 1200 and suddenly they stopped working, then of course I'd be annoyed about that, but that's not what's happened here. Pipes have all always been a bit funky, but they are funky in consistent and predictable ways that are very easy to work around.

[reef basin]

ah sure, go with "I think your behavior means you want X" over "you're saying you want X" 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, there is no end to this "circlejerking" so to speak.

Let people defend what they want. We will see what the 1.2 update bring about the pipes that devs changed.

Meanwhile, let me summon another folk:

"Cast Screws are fine."

Also using Screws late game is fine especially with Steel Screws recipe.

[opaque shadow]

when it is that easy to break? by all purposes, it is broken

[tropic juniper]

steel screws is what i prefer because you get so many screws from one machine

[mortal ginkgo]

BURN THE HEATHEN WHO USES SCREWS OMG

[willow storm]

steel screws are horrible because they have the weirdest proportion, fight me

[reef basin]

if you build a system that is not capable of keeping 600/min flow, is it a fault of the system, when you're the one who built it that way?

[mortal ginkgo]

FAYT FAYT FAYT!

[tropic juniper]

alt recipes still require you have massive amounts of other materials. why not screws?

[hard ivy]

why would I want to make more screws

[shy mulch]

What's wrong with cast screws 🤷

[reef basin]

because some people parrot 5 year old outdated information about screws being bad

[willow storm]

if you rebuild it identical and it doesn't work, is it still your fault?

[tropic juniper]

i always make screws on sight to be used immediately. i don't belt screws anywhere.

[opaque shadow]

many of the screw using alts have 13 as a factor somewhere in the numbers
steel screws produce 52 (13*4)

[reef basin]

identical to what?

[tropic juniper]

yeah you touch on a good point. old metas get entrenched. misinformation can root in the meta too

[willow storm]

if you make the same system twice and one time it works and the next one it doesn't whose fault is it?

[tropic juniper]

proportions are easy you just underclock 1 machine to match the remainder

[mortal ginkgo]

Screws are a good reason to push player to make better belts. Even if it was terrible, it is still fine lol.

[reef basin]

if the build is flawed? yours

if the build is proper? probably the game's

[opaque shadow]

or it forces you to make modules

[mortal ginkgo]

Listen. This got no point, the thing you are doing.

#satisfactory message

They ignore/dodge this and they can. Let them. I am sure you got better things to do in the end.

[willow storm]

but if it worked the first time then it's properly built is it not

[willow storm]

well, fair enough

[reef basin]

that doesn't depend on whether it worked first time or not

if you build a bad system that only works in specific conditions, it's not reliable system. "works first try" isn't definition of a proper system

[willow storm]

we both know for it to be the same system the conditions have to be the same too

[mortal ginkgo]

Nuclear Plant asks 600/min water.
2 Water Extractors literally kiss the Plant. Pipes are Blueprinted.

1 Nuclear Plant happy works for 50+hours.
1 Nuclear Plant loses all water after 5 hours.

Interesting system that can fail so randomly.

[reef basin]

and yet that's not always the case (see again f.e. the vertical pipe junction thingy)

[unkempt blade]

have you checked it for gremlins yet?

[willow storm]

this

[opaque shadow]

copper rotor? 195/min = 15*13
heavy flexible? 390/min = 30*13

ig fewer than I actually remember but those 2, I'm sure they were designed around steel screws

[mortal ginkgo]

A genius once said "Doing the same thing and expecting different results is madness."

I wonder what he would say to "There are some folks here defending same thing causing a different result randomly" folk.

I swear he would go mad himself.

[willow storm]

i built the same identical system twice. one time i added a pump, and it worked differently. is that fixable? yes. does that make sense? absolutely not

[mortal ginkgo]

I actually forgot to check if there is a Cart in!

[unkempt blade]

carts would make it more reliable not less!

[tropic juniper]

this is marketing material from farcry 3. it doesn't make sense because practicing is literally doing the same thing over and over and getting different results.

[mortal ginkgo]

lol bro I hope we get some smol stations just for them.

[tropic juniper]

so is quantum mechanics research

[mortal ginkgo]

"The phrase, often attributed to Albert Einstein, highlights the futility of repeating the exact same action expecting a different outcome"

My bro...

[unkempt blade]

we need mk2 carts that are normal-station sized and mk2 stations that are original cart sized

[mortal ginkgo]

Einstein came before Far Cry 3, I can confirm.

[willow storm]

comparing pipes to quantum mechanics is truly next level

[tropic juniper]

it's one of those tropes that rings like "we only use 10% of our brains" which has a level of truthiness to it but it really makes no sense in the real world

[willow storm]

i don't know next level what but it's definitely something

[reef basin]

again, if the system itself is already wonky, and it's kinda expected to sometimes work and sometimes not, that's on you

I'm (still) talking about building proper systems. Since we're talking theory and aren't talking about specific setup here, I can't answer specific questions like whether or not what you're thinking about is properly built

[mortal ginkgo]

bro blz

[tropic juniper]

so you just didn't read any context . cool.

[unkempt blade]

yeah some of us only use 6-7% of our brains

[willow storm]

what do you mean by proper btw?

[willow storm]

no i understand the context but the premise itself is flawed

[reef basin]

depends on what you're building, most "issues" arise from people doing pipe manifolds, which have been "solved" for years - you build a loop, ideally vertical, prefill pipes, works in 99.9% of cases

[willow storm]

because 1) you can't train pipes 2) quantum mechanics is probability based

[mortal ginkgo]

some also uses whats there to defend pipes

[unkempt blade]

we just need mk3 pipes and everything would handle itself

[plucky flower]

I have them overclocked at 250%

[reef basin]

(the remaining 0.01% cases is weird bugs like the vertical pipe junction, which I've never seen make an issue in pipe manifold loops, but probably can happen)

[willow storm]

this reminds me of that "just one more particle accelerator and we'll solve physics bro" meme

[plucky flower]

And somerslooped

[mortal ginkgo]

imagine devs making a system that can NOT support mk3 pipes and understanding the code is THAT wacky and we have here "skill issue" folks to defend it all.

I wonder what humanity going to defend next... cast screws maybe.

[tropic juniper]

he has criticised quantum mechanics in a similar way because he didn't believe in the theory. one of the moments that albert was wrong.

and while the quote is often attributed to him, there's no where he actually committed to that idea. it's a full on misattribution because people want to make the quote seem really smart.

[willow storm]

odd bugs such as pumps eating fluids

[opaque shadow]

...what is wrong with cast screws

[willow storm]

truly a once in a lifetime occasion

[reef basin]

support for mk3 pipes is impossible due to engine, not due to code

[unkempt blade]

cast screws don't need defenders because it's clearly the best recipe in the game

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't know. Some people hates them lol.

[mortal ginkgo]

And you believed that as if Unreal Engine has its own fluid system that one can not make another.

[plucky flower]

Finally a real one

[mortal ginkgo]

Oh my sweet summer child....

[weak axle]

Cast screws use less buildings meaning you can build more before hitting the object limit

[unkempt blade]

it's how we summon all the people who are hung up on picking recipes that never use any screws

[reef basin]

no?

[willow storm]

"the system should be consistent"
"actually Einstein said that-"

[plucky flower]

No

[mortal ginkgo]

"Engine issue" is the silliest thing to say for a game dev and I will take it as it is a comment to be taken out of context.

A dev makes the system using the Engine. It doesn't simply prevent them from making their own.

[plucky flower]

Hes pointing out that people are not having their quotes correct

[willow storm]

i know I'm just messing around mostly

[reef basin]

never seen this thing happen to anyone, and haven't seen any confirmation of it actually happening. Since like 95% of "weird bugs" I see with pipes is just people not able to debug pipes properly and coming to wrong conclusions (not saying your case is the same, but statistics unfortunately are this way)

[frail sleet]

They can be worked around 100% reliably, but it requires a lot of advanced knowledge for behaviors which are not communicated to the player in any way and do not match reality. Bugs aside, you really are not going to have a good handle on these systems unless you're one of us crazy people who sits in a map for 100 hours testing different pipe systems and chatting about it with a third party service.

[tropic juniper]

point to where i talked about the pipe system that way. i'll wait

[plucky flower]

"If you quote someone, quote it good" - Chris | CapyMaki

[tropic juniper]

"if at first you don't succeed, make something up"

[willow storm]

it literally happened to me an hour ago

[reef basin]

and you haven't read rest of the message

[willow storm]

i read it

[unkempt blade]

The trick would be not giving anywhere for mk3 pipes to slosh. We just need it to teleport the liquids from the source to the destination using ancient alien technology

[clever stone]

Pipes are weird but I honestly don’t care so long as it’s moving through the network

[willow storm]

but how can i reply if you just say i have a skill issue

[reef basin]

they explained it in more detail in many videos and streams, "engine issue" is just a generic term to cover what they explained

[plucky flower]

@willow storm just come back to this convo in 5 mins and relax first

[willow storm]

oh I'm not mad

[mortal ginkgo]

Correct. They could do better. It is just too late to make an overhaul of the system.

Which means they understand that the code is wack.

[plucky flower]

I know

[frail sleet]

The liquid behaviors with verticality and hydrostatic pressure are really nice. The dynamic pressure approximation, not so much - but that part can literally just be turned off.

[plucky flower]

Im saying your not mentally stable enough to reply with full self sense

[reef basin]

well much better option is to show the bug happening, ideally providing a save so that other people can see it on their own and/or debug what's happening

saying "X happened to me, trust" is weird

[willow storm]

probably accidentally got drunk yes

i hate when that happens

[unkempt blade]

it's like when I say "it's more effort than it's worth to automate this test" when really what I mean is the application I support is held together by twine, duct tape, and 15y/o jquery

[plucky flower]

So wait 5 mins and come back to senses

[clever stone]

As far as I’m aware with game dev this type of system is really hard to implement without issues

It’s the nature of theoretical physics in game engines

[mortal ginkgo]

Can we also get rid of all alt recipes that get rid of screws?

I mean the models have still screws on them?

Hello? Devs?

HELLO?!?!?!??!

[willow storm]

I'm sorry i just don't understand what makes you think I'm not in my full capacities

i don't think i even interacted with you much

[tropic juniper]

i'm not sure if fluids in pipes is theoritical physics or not tbh

[plucky flower]

Read back your previous messagss and try again

[willow storm]

absolutely unplayable, 0/10

[mortal ginkgo]

TRULY MY DEAR BROTHERMAN

[tropic juniper]

games just tend to abstract stuff a lot because games don't need a fully accurate physics simulation in most cases

[plucky flower]

Stop hating screws is the best solution

[mortal ginkgo]

But but...

[plucky flower]

[mortal ginkgo]

MAH IMMERSION IS BORKED

[plucky flower]

But what

[clever stone]

It’s gonna have to be made with metaphorical duct tape unless they want it to overload the rendering engine

[willow storm]

man if i annoy you for whatever reason just block me i really do not care

[plucky flower]

You dont. You just flap out random stuff bc you say your drunk

[willow storm]

i was ironic brother

[mortal ginkgo]

This is internet. We flap out stuff randomly all the time.

It is called "joking around"

[tropic juniper]

thats why flappy bird was so popular

[plucky flower]

Lmao

[mortal ginkgo]

... Get out.

[plucky flower]

I meant it in another way but this is gold

[mortal ginkgo]

Then come back in like 2 minutes

[willow storm]

ba dum tss

[clever stone]

The fluid physics are definitely hit and miss but I applaud the devs for putting in the foresight to make players think about how they assemble their pipelines and factories

[opaque shadow]

it's not water simulation for an ocean wave, it's just numbers in nodes (pipes) and connections

[mortal ginkgo]

everyone talking how cool the fluid system is while in this game Ocean's do not rise and fall depending on the day of time and we dont ever have big waves.

you bros are unhinged.

BUT FLUID SYSTEMS ARE IMPORTANT TO WORK IN PIPES BROOOOO

[willow storm]

the water in the pipes is more accurate than the one in the sea

[unkempt blade]

probably the best reason to let the jetpack pull fuel while in use would be to make an ingame flappy bird structure

[spark sky]

Slightly over-engineered: #screenshots message

[clever stone]

Yeah but what I mean is that. It’s a fairly scuffed implementation to cut down on resource usage

[tropic juniper]

you you'd need landing points otherwise

[reef basin]

I swear like 90% of "help my pipes broken" is caused by people just assuming that connecting everything to everything will work just fine, because they think of pipes like if they were covered belts (see also "where's pipe merger" and "where's pipe smart splitter")

[plucky flower]

That beam is steady

[unkempt blade]

yeah which compromises the integrity of the flappytest

[plucky flower]

Dont you worry pal

[mortal ginkgo]

Answer me this.

I see SCREWS in this screenshot.

Why don't we need screws to build those things?!

HUH?!

REALISTIC PIPE FLUID LOVERS WHERE YOU AT HMMM?

WHERE IS YOUR DEFENSE HMMMMMMMM??????????????

[tropic juniper]

you might as well just make an entirely different game if you're going to allow landing in flappy bird

[unkempt blade]

pacman with factory carts it is

[plucky flower]

Its called flappy bird. Made it yesterday

[clever stone]

Satisfactory players try not be unhinged challenge impossible

[tropic juniper]

except there's no arena wrap around. broken game

[plucky flower]

😂

[willow storm]

bro shut up before they make us craft the paint to color the parts

[tropic juniper]

that's shapez 2

[plucky flower]

That would be diabolical

[mortal ginkgo]

ah yes, 1.0 removed the flower picking for coloring

[unkempt blade]

How are we supposed to be hinged while also avoiding using screws? Explain that!

[spark sky]

"Where is your defence? You're sitting on de fence!"

[plucky flower]

[mortal ginkgo]

... You won internet.

[reef basin]

I mean the box doesn't even contain screws anyway

[plucky flower]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362

[tropic juniper]

whats in the box maaan?

[mortal ginkgo]

embed fail is big kek

[tropic juniper]

WHATS IN THE BOX?!

[reef basin]

screws have the thread, those things don't

[plucky flower]

Screws

[mortal ginkgo]

also nobody questioning how a building like Constructor is asking only for 2 or 3 items.

[willow storm]

that's because they're all deformed

[plucky flower]

Dont you worry pal

[willow storm]

there's only one functional screw per box

[plucky flower]

Make it make sense. Its just like quantum

[spark sky]

Hm, so what's on the outernet? Or is it the externet?

[candid torrent]

psychological torture

[reef basin]

well, official canon is "the box is huge, there's at least one or two screws on the bottom" 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

ok so that box got like 500 screws in it.

ıf so, why can we stack "Screw Box" to 500?

I DONT GET IT BROTHERMAN

[clever stone]

It’s like assembling an ikea chair incorrectly and blaming the company.

The tools are there, people just gotta think a little even if it gets mildly frustrating

[reef basin]

yeah, kinda that

[opaque shadow]

10 iron ore transforming cleanly into the hub (complete with the double beds) is the most jarring

[tropic juniper]

canons were actually just a hyper tube glitch that wasn't intended but the devs kept because of fan favor

[mortal ginkgo]

Ikea Reddit has less problems posted than Satisfactory Pipe posts in Reddit.

[willow storm]

because you're just selecting the one functioning screw from all the batches /j /j

[opaque shadow]

also ikea furnitures comes with manuals

[mortal ginkgo]

oh no

[plucky flower]

The beds remain untouched

[clever stone]

Simple let’s just get IKEA to buy CSS

[reef basin]

that's "cannon" 🙂

[clever stone]

They made cannons canon

[mortal ginkgo]

what if reverse happens and ikea gets to make pipes with no manuals?

[willow storm]

yeah, they're made of iron too

imagine sleeping on that

[opaque shadow]

screw box is plastic, why can't we take it

[plucky flower]

Horrible

[mortal ginkgo]

where does the box coming from?

Also come how some Fluids change the SHAPE of the package in Packager?

[plucky flower]

Definitly would break out my autism to not sleep untill I get a new one

Mostly the reason Ive never slept in the game

😂😂😂

[spark sky]

Hm, you have a point there, somewhere. Why doesn't the box of screws require plastic?

[plucky flower]

Because its blue iron

[unkempt blade]

it might just be sheet metal painted blue

[plucky flower]

Its colored iron

[mortal ginkgo]

After a heated discussion about pipe fluids, we are about to uncover game secrets so hard!

[plucky flower]

Yeah lmao

[tropic juniper]

i think the real problem with satisfactory's physics is they use 32bit floats. so they should shut it all down and take 10 years to create a double float physics and coordinate system, like star citizen did

[unkempt blade]

that's just good scientific rigor!

[mortal ginkgo]

Brother I don't want "wannaberealismbruuhhhhhhh" mechanics in a game where 95% of the players including my mom putting insanely large buildings on 1 tile large foundations FLYING IN THE SKY

[spark sky]

And you are willing to wait 10 years to play Satisfactory?

[plucky flower]

Wait so if I get 3.4 x 10^27 screws and I take one more I am at -3.4 x 10^27

[tropic juniper]

yes. well, no. i'll freeze myself and thaw just in time for the release

[plucky flower]

Mariah Carrey already did that not original

Idk how to spell her name my bad

😅

[willow storm]

screw hater's dream

[tropic juniper]

yeah to truly implement screws on scale, we need 64bit data spaces so that we can have more screws than there are atoms in the observable universe

[spark sky]

Ficsit will fix it yesterday.

[plucky flower]

I live screws

[mortal ginkgo]

also belts got screws on them, why dont they ask for screws to be built? (there is a mod for that btw)

[spark sky]

There's a mod for everything, if you look hard enough.

[plucky flower]

Because I will not let myself build a factory that generates 5k screws a minute to run out after 2 minutes

[tropic juniper]

there's not a mod for what SMART does since noboyd has updated it since it broke

[mortal ginkgo]

noooo

[tropic juniper]

there's no mod to make every truck driven by a teletubby! i've looked

[willow storm]

belts are made of rubber, why do they not require rubber to build????

[spark sky]

Sorry, I'm not familiar with SMART.

[mortal ginkgo]

do you know what else needs rubber to be built? UR MOM LOL GOT'EM BROTHERMAN LOLKEKBUR

Imma go slep stay safe, stay well screwed. 💤

[tropic juniper]

it's pretty good actually. it lets you zoop splitters next to machines and they'll auto connect belts. handy stuff

among other functions

[willow storm]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[spark sky]

Oh, a mod, okay. So far I'm resisting mods. I guess that means I'm not a moderate.

How can a Ficsit employee be a conservative, they don't conserve anything?

(I'm not sure kittens and puppies exist in the game world, I think it's just A.I. psychology to get whatever they want from us.)

[leaden turret]

ingredient in a conserve

[spark sky]

Can I have that on toast?

[leaden turret]

anything you can spread on bread can be spread on toast, should you wish your bread to be hard

[spark sky]

Toast: uncut croutons.

(Or however you spell that.)

[tropic juniper]

i like my toast to be slightly crispy with a soft center

soft warm center*

[spark sky]

Slathered with butter.

You know, Satisfactory needs to give us more ways to make food.

[wary crow]

thank you

[clever stone]

I do think being able to farm the edible plants in the game would be nice

Not necessarily automation but having a way to keep a steady supply instead of foraging

[spark sky]

Then we can shove all those nuts, berries and mushrooms into something and extract granola oil.

[tropic juniper]

automated bio would be fun.

[spark sky]

Bio (biofuel) is automated, as long as you feed it.

[clever stone]

Automated biofuel would take the point out of early game power

Since coal is the first to be automated

Though if it’s like a late game thing through refineries then maybe

[tropic juniper]

make the greenhouse bio building later tier then

[clever stone]

Yeah sounds cool

[spark sky]

So, we need a greenhouse, horticulture, and automated harvesting.

[leaden turret]

there's a mod for that

[tropic juniper]

fertalizer too. like, from the toilet in the hub

poop update when?

[spark sky]

I don't think flushing screws down the toilet counts as fertilizer.

[willow storm]

biofuel is cool for the jetpack, it'd be nice to not have to manually refill it

[clever stone]

I’ve switched to regular fuel for that

Also rocket fuel since I finally unlocked it but it’s too fast for me

[spark sky]

What about irregular fuel?

[clever stone]

That’s my go to

Right next to partly regular fuel

[spark sky]

Oh, the partly regular fuel is for the newer vehicles.

I have a question: is the Cyberwagon electric? If it is, where is the charging station? (I got in one and couldn't get out as it wouldn't go anywhere.)

Strangly, I got an achievement for "driving" it.

[shrewd palm]

it uses fuel

i think it also can only turn right but dont quote me on that

[sick falcon]

what do the water nodes do, i cant place a water extractor on them

[clever stone]

That’s for later down the line

[shrewd palm]

you need well pressurizers thet you unlock in tier 8

[clever stone]

Water extractors work for bodies of water

[shrewd palm]

you can use them for water, oil, and (most importantly) nitrogen

[sick falcon]

word ty

[reef basin]

you can use batteries as fuel 🙂

[spark sky]

I don't think I can make batteries, yet. I'm at Phase 2.

[shrewd hatch]

it would be nice to be able to manufacture weapons

[shy mulch]

Request: ficsonium powered jetpack

[shrewd palm]

to the stars and beyond!

make it an orion drive or something

[clever stone]

You know what I’d like to see even if it will never be a priority

More movement options. The movement in this game is some of the smoothest and most engaging I’ve seen in quite a bit

[shy mulch]

Nuclear lizard doggos?

[shy mulch]

What other options? We can already move in 3 dimensions (4 if you include portals). Maybe 5 dimensional travel via nuclear pasta?

[spark sky]

Protector drones (kill enemies while you're exploring, grab the loot they drop).

[clever stone]

Like more tiers for that leg equipment or climbing

Again it’s not exactly necessary but I’ve found it to be a highlight of my playthrough

[spark sky]

Grappling hook rebar and rope?

[clever stone]

Yessss

[willow storm]

every game would benefit from a grappling hook

[spark sky]

Well, 2D games don't really need one.

[leaden turret]

solitaire

[clever stone]

Honestly I’d love to grappling hook my cards

[spark sky]

Mahjong with grappling hooks.

[clever stone]

For the leg equipment I’m thinking like higher tiers could increase slide distance or reduce fall damage further

[shy mulch]

Chess

[opaque shadow]

I am surprised to learn that it is a mod already
https://ficsit.app/mod/AsgGrapplingHook

[opaque shadow]

(and this is also a mod already: https://ficsit.app/mod/bbladerunners)

[spark sky]

Hm, that might actually tempt me to use a mod.

(Still, I'm resisting...)

[clever stone]

Right one more thing

[spark sky]

I'm trying to, slowly, play the game to the end without mods, just using blueprints.

[clever stone]

And chat you can call me out for being dumb on this but can trains pick up/deposit specific items at a station instead of the whole cargo box

[spark sky]

I don't know much about trains, but I thought a video I looked at said that the different cars on the train determine what it picks up.

[prime rampart]

Do u uave stronf bomes?

[prime rampart]

No

[clever stone]

Wha

[prime rampart]

They take whole cargo but u could separate them by adding more freights and more freight cars

[clever stone]

Do I have strong bones
?

[prime rampart]

Yez

[clever stone]

Yes I do

[prime rampart]

oh because ur the calcium king

[clever stone]

Indeed

[prime rampart]

Anyways hope i helped

Because trains r so dodo

[opaque shadow]

I was remembering correctly
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Electric_Locomotive#/media/File:Train_Station_UI_4.png

[spark sky]

Hm, you always hear of someone's "famous last words." Doesn't anyone have famous first words?

[prime rampart]

Yes “one day i be footballer” messi!!!

[clever stone]

Wait so I could have just—

[dreamy mirage]

Yea

[clever stone]

Man that would have saved a lot of hours had I known that beforehand

[wicked nacelle]

Yep. And this is why you only want an item type at one platform and one car so you have better control. The control is per train per station so you can’t control which cars or platform loads unloads

[clever stone]

My stations are jankily set up around taking the whole cargo box so I should probably go fix that

[wicked nacelle]

Unless it’s only possible for one car and one platform

[wicked nacelle]

That’s generally the best idea to have a platform and car dedicated to an item type

Sushi trains are hard unless you throw away overflow

[dreamy mirage]

I still hardly have trains set up honestly I'm mostly using drones but I have been working on expanding my train network across the entire map. Once I do that I plan to swap a couple drones for trains

[wicked nacelle]

I recommend don’t think of trains for the map just think of connecting factories as you build them.

[clever stone]

that as an end goal does sound fun tho

[wicked nacelle]

Eventuallly if you have factories spanning the map you’ll have your rails span the map but without putting a bunch of of rail to the “wrong spots” that you end up not building at

[dreamy mirage]

I'm like late game in the last phase its not for functionality but rather for the fact that itd be cool

[sick falcon]

power slugs would make a great plushie, idk why coffeestain likes the lizard dog so much

[clever stone]

I think my problem with rails (and this is a skill issue on my part not the game) is that I end up needing to make more and more train stations and it feels less useful to have one train stop at a shared station

If a train could deliver only a certain box at a certain station while keeping the others on the train that would be cool

[reef basin]

afaik it can, you can limit what it loads/unloads

[leaden turret]

that's what blanks are for

[clever stone]

Yeah but then I have to go back and remake the train station and the factory around it to fit it

It would be more interesting to have blank carts

[leaden turret]

make them correctly the first time? 😛

[clever stone]

How could you say something so nasty yet so entirely true LMAO

I’m on my very first playthrough so my foresight into train stations isn’t that strong

[leaden turret]

make them correctly the next time? 😛

[clever stone]

I will do my best lol

[cunning siren]

Most folk have love for dogs over slugs 🤷 I'm not sure I know anybody who loves slugs now that I think of it 🤔

[clever stone]

My current strategy is to have a big sink station so trains can unload any excess cargo

So far it’s been useful enough

Especially because my trains tend to have loading and unloading problems so having some place to take the items is good

[clever stone]

I love the power slugs

I’ve got a few of them around my factories that I haven’t picked up because they’re morale boosters

[flint grail]

What would be the most optimal spacing for ceiling lights in terms of nudges? Does anyone know?

[frail sleet]

any what

[clever stone]

Sometimes my factories idle from being clogged up which is a skill issue on my part so to keep the trains useful I send any overflow in the cargo boxes to a dedicated sink train station

[spice spindle]

De-spaghettifying my coal generators now.... I got my whole Smart Plate factory set up though!

and then my laptop battery got too low 💀

[cinder mesa]

Tf should I do with 1200 bauxite per minute??

[clever stone]

Batteries

[cunning siren]

Gaming on a battery, oooof

[cinder mesa]

I already have too many of them

[cunning siren]

Power storage in this game is nutty, if we had that kind of tech in IRL there would be no power issues ever. We could endlessly store solar with 0% loss on charge or discharge forever

[reef basin]

keep it until you need it

[cunning siren]

Anybody a Cluster Nobelisk enjoyer? I seem to skip them cuz explosive rebar 🤷

[ebon cobalt]

is it possible to make a creature just... not respawn?
tryna build a factory near 2 hog spawns and they keep coming back

[reef basin]

build powered building(s) near their spawn area

[shy mulch]

They won't spawn once your factory is powered

[ebon cobalt]

so should i just throw up a biomass burner that isnt doing anything for now?

[shy mulch]

How long is it taking to build the factory? Just kill the hogs, build the factory before they respawn

[ebon cobalt]

it shouldnt take too long considering its just rotors

alot of the time i spent that let them respawn was cus i needed the stuff for overclocking or i wouldnt get the 270 iron ore requirement

[shy mulch]

It's a bit of a non-issue unless you're spending a week making it beautiful before powering it

[ebon cobalt]

one of my factories is just a large platform on the ground cus looks dont matter to me until i can get windows and lights and stuffs

[shy mulch]

Should be able to unlock that stuff pretty early

[ebon cobalt]

im focusing on getting coal power researched

i only just got to phase 2

[shy mulch]

Crystal oscillator are good for early game sink points

[ebon cobalt]

what is crystal oscillator?

[shy mulch]

A thing you make

[ebon cobalt]

figured that
isnt it quarts or smthn?

i dont think i have the recipe for it

[shy mulch]

Probably

It's worth focusing on the MAM, get stuff unlocked, it'll make your life easier

[ebon cobalt]

alrighty
my first playthrough i didnt really learn much cus i wasnt ready for steel and i didnt wanna spend time making factories for the stuff i needed to make factories for (i hardly had iron plates and rods automated)

would it be worth setting up a modular frame factory yet?

[shy mulch]

It's worth automating all the materials you need to build things

You'll definitely need Modular frames all the way to endgame, so no harm in setting that up soon as you can

You'll probably want to change it / rebuild it eventually, so don't spend too much time on it. Just take it enough to make what you need for now

[ebon cobalt]

ill prolly wait till after coal power
hand crafting biofuel is getting boring given it can take 10 minutes sometimes

[shy mulch]

10 minutes is a very short amount of time

Wait, did you say hand crafting? Why would you do that?

[ebon cobalt]

cant automate it if im only making it when i dont have power

[shy mulch]

Collect the leaves wood etc and feed it into constructors

[ebon cobalt]

and im lazy

[shy mulch]

If you're lazy why do it the hard way

[ebon cobalt]

its not hard if i can press space on my keyboard and go make food

[shrewd hatch]

Why does the conveyor splitter sometimes not split

[shy mulch]

Or, feed it into a constructor and don't worry about it

[shy mulch]

They do always split. Something else is going on. Explain your setup a bit more

[ebon cobalt]

i hardly remember to even grab wood and leaves
the grid shutting off is why i remember lmao

[shrewd hatch]

I fixed it by changing the position of the splitter

[shy mulch]

Build more of a stock then, it's quite a basic thing, doesn't take long. You shouldn't ever be running out

[ebon cobalt]

im currently fully rushing to coal power so i also wont really need to do it much longer other than chainsaw

[wise junco]

I'm thinking about using crystal computer - is that a bad road to go down with quartz being kind of precious?

[shy mulch]

Sounds like it probably wasn't connected properly

[shy mulch]

I don't think it's a bad choice necessarily. Depends on your specific world, if you're low on quartz or non

[reef basin]

nothing is really precious unless you use a lot of it

[wise junco]

currently, only using quarts for quartz crystal/silica to DD for building purposes - is it something I'll need tons of later?

and good point greeny, i just have a low reference point for p4/p5

[tropic juniper]

can always tear down and rebuild if you need it later

[wise junco]

yeah, true

plus can always upgrade to mk3 miner as needed

[wicked nacelle]

Depends how large you build but yes quartz becomes a limitation much earlier than many other things

But you can easily beat the story without being constrained on anything pretty much however you build

On my large build though I’ve had to go back and optimize all of my quartz stuff and be selective on how and where I use it

[wise junco]

that's totally valid

[shy mulch]

I'm precious

[wise junco]

you so are

[wicked nacelle]

Diamonds and aluminum want a lot of quartz

[wise junco]

I've never gotten to diamonds, so wasn't sure how crazy I need to prepare

[wicked nacelle]

If your goal is to complete the story you will be fine without worrying about it. If you go for a sink point goal after that you may have to go back and optimize production with alts

[wise junco]

got it. thanks!

[wicked nacelle]

I struggled to get to half the maximum sink points (480M/min/2) (without really fully planning it out in a planner). I had to revamp a lot of my factories with alts.

[steel dome]

guys what could i build for fun while i wait for resources

[brisk lantern]

another factory

unrelated, the personnel elevator is the best transportation method, I use it in every build I make

[steel dome]

yeah i do too

[cunning siren]

Had 750 MW of geos not on the main grid

[spark sky]

That helps a lot 🙂

[steel dome]

guys i dont know what to do because the production of the item i need is like 3 every 40 minutes what can i do to pass time

[silk ocean]

40 minutes? xD

[steel dome]

dont ask i cannot be bothered to make a new line for it

[silk ocean]

Only option is to add more parallel lines but if you dont want to do that then meh, go hunting for slugs and hard drives?

[steel dome]

more parallel lines?

[silk ocean]

Well in a form, depending on design, but effectively as you said adding more production pipes/lines

[reef basin]

build more production

[steel dome]

ohh

ill suck it up and build another line

[versed mesa]

Wow this person build is crazy like wondering how they did that at the right of photo
#screenshots message

Hold on is that an actual a machine am wondering

[spark sky]

Probably with mods, otherwise with a lot of work. Look up how to make circles in YouTube.

[shrewd palm]

infinite nudge and a ton of work

[versed mesa]

No i know how todo circle now

[shrewd palm]

they probably also blueprinted the circle but maybe not

[flint grail]

No one knows?

[spark sky]

The person who did it knows.

[versed mesa]

Exactly

[shrewd palm]

well it depends on how much light you want, what you're using for lights, and how tall the ceiling is

so as with many things in this game, it depends entirely on the person making it

there isnt really an "optimal" method of designing things

just screw around until you find something that works

[versed mesa]

They are like heat gage to show if its low or high

[shrewd palm]

thats all custom built with signs and stuff

[versed mesa]

Is mad cool

I tried todo foundation blueprint but I could not get it to work how I wanted it to it would bot connect to a square foundation

Like ive still got created blueprint

Its a bit of a circle made in length if 5 foundations

Its less than 1/3

Of a circle

I even tried blueprint Auto connect but no luck with that either maybe it dont work with foundations

[shrewd palm]

autoconnect only works with pipes, belts, and train tracks as far as im aware

blueprints rarely ever connect nicely but you can nudge them

[versed mesa]

Damn

[jaunty linden]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/61d8ca64831c852052368315 hi CSS please fix this now, 4 years still open and still rage inducing.

[versed mesa]

I could not even do that nudge them like for one the blueprint needs to connect from up a serton height

[cunning siren]

Curve belts are fun

[versed mesa]

Why

[cunning siren]

Sometimes they work when other modes do not AND they look cool

[versed mesa]

I see

[dawn goblet]

Using curve belts, I once got a glitch where a spiraled into the air and to boot. It was a valid placement.

[spark sky]

Hm, I wonder what game I was playing that had a dedicated "light switch".

[wise junco]

HAHA - anyone else having invisible packagers upon build?

[lament niche]

HA! I WIN! @reef basin @dense violet @white dawn @shrewd palm I believe I am owed an apology
#screenshots message

[reef basin]

I was talking ALL the time about RESIDUAL things

not recycled

we all were

[worn glen]

anyone wanna start a new save idc how many hours or anything willing to show the basics

[lament niche]

anyone else hear goalposts being dragged

[reef basin]

look up the conversation

[lament niche]

I already have. that's how I know you said recycled.

[spark sky]

Are you just starting out?

[worn glen]

havent even walked in the world yet

[versed mesa]

@worn glen are you a new player ?

[worn glen]

nah not new just getting back into the game

[reef basin]

residual mentioned 5 times:

#satisfactory message
#satisfactory message
#satisfactory message
#satisfactory message
#satisfactory message

recycled mentioned once (with context it is an alt):
#satisfactory message

[versed mesa]

Are you starting from phase 0 ?

[wise junco]

#screenshots message is this a known bug?

[worn glen]

can do

[versed mesa]

@worn glen what phase you on ?

[worn glen]

havent i only just made the world but can change to start at phase 0

[slender hatch]

Other than satisfactory calculator what other site is great fir blueprints?

[versed mesa]

So your trying to say you made a new save and your not a new player but an old one lol

[worn glen]

yeah just wanted to start fresh cus also my old saves got corrupted

[versed mesa]

Rip

@worn glen good luck this time round

[reef basin]

@lament niche I believe I am owed an apology

[versed mesa]

Lmfao

[wise junco]

the silence is deafening

[versed mesa]

I know how you feel lol

@wise junco where's the packager machine at

[white dawn]

If I have ever said that the Recycled recipes are somehow not found via hard drive research, then sure: sorry about that. I don't think I've ever said that, though. :)

[reef basin]

I wasn't really expecting anything. They have a tendency of accusing me of anything vaguely possible to be "wrong" (in their eyes), then never providing any proof and leaving the convo when I prove them wrong 🤷

I already got used of having my own personal haters

[turbid merlin]

Arghh, cant use my kek emojis

[reef basin]

nah, it's all related to that conversation where I was talking about residual recipes all the time and they misread and now thing they won the internet by proving me "wrong"

[versed mesa]

I think he was referring to his screenshot lmfao

[reef basin]

click any of the links I've sent and see what their message was about 🙂

[versed mesa]

Ok

[azure reef]

#screenshots is this bad? if i just run the pipes all the way along on each side and make junctions and feed them into each coal generator

[undone kestrel]

Nope

You’ll need pumps though

[azure reef]

just to push the water up?

[undone kestrel]

Yes

Assuming those are 4m foundations

[azure reef]

yeah

[undone kestrel]

Machines only provide 10 metres of headlift so yeah you’ll need a pump for the other 10

[azure reef]

#screenshots like this?

[slender hatch]

Now mu blueprints arnt saving and pop up as 1 white arrow

[worn glen]

anyone down to start a new save?

[feral geyser]

#1201555265942724758

[feral geyser]

Can you load them back up in the designer?

[slender hatch]

No, its just a white arrow thats all I get

[worn glen]

ong i couldnt see this channel and still cant unless i click that but ty

[feral geyser]

When you go to your blueprints folder, do you see any files there? (.sbp and .sbpcfg for each one)

[slender hatch]

No i litterslly see nothing its not even makeing a folder...

[feral geyser]

Hmmm, that is strange

[slender hatch]

I have tried multiple times to make a folder by saving them in game but it dosnt update

[feral geyser]

so you are at local\factorygame\saved\savegames\blueprints, right? and there is/is not a folder with your session's name in that folder?

[slender hatch]

I dint even know how to get their i go in through the browser local files through steam

All I have in my factory game.File is binaries content and plugins

[spark sky]

So, I can't connect a lift because the thing I want to connect to is half a nudge too high/low.

[feral geyser]

use steam to verify your install, something sounds funny or you're in the wrong folder

[slender hatch]

Doing that now

[spark sky]

You have to start in %AppData%

[slender hatch]

Yea i just figured that out :McLaughter:

[spark sky]

You are looking for your saved games and blueprints, right?

[slender hatch]

I found the area, but still dosnt explain the white arrow. So after I validate files ill try again

[spark sky]

I missed the earlier stuff, what's this about a white arrow?

[slender hatch]

I made a blueprint in the blueprint makes for a constructor array and it only pops up as a white arrow

[spark sky]

You mean in the listing or when you try to use it?

[slender hatch]

When I try to use it

[spark sky]

So, it's placing a white arrow?

[slender hatch]

Ywa when I have my tool out it only shows a white arrow

[spark sky]

Did you save the blueprint in the saved game you are playing, or did you do it in a different saved game?

[slender hatch]

Same game

[spark sky]

(I have a creative world and a world that I'm playing in, I create the blueprints in the creative world, then have to copy them to the other world to use them there.)

[spark sky]

So, if you found the directory, there should be 2 files for the blueprint you saved, with the name you gave the blueprint.

[slender hatch]

Posted in #screenshots

[spark sky]

The arrow is the direction it's oriented, how big is it?

[slender hatch]

The size of the arrow is the same as the in and output arrows but if I try to place it it goes invisible and takes my materials

[spark sky]

Then there is something else going on. Have you tried quitting the game and restarting it?

[slender hatch]

Yep

And then I exit out of the game again and the blueprint is gone yet again

[spark sky]

What did you name the blueprint?

[slender hatch]

Constructorarray

No spaces

[spark sky]

And the files disappear when you quit the game?

[slender hatch]

Yep

I may honestly just completely restart my world i'm just about to get to steal production.And honestly, having blueprints would be great

[spark sky]

That seems like it's something to do with something outside the game, it shouldn't do that.

[slender hatch]

Clear out any old auto saves revalidate game files then, make a creative world and see what happens.There

[spark sky]

That might be what you have to do. One thing, though, when Windows asked if you wanted the game to make changes to your drive, you did say Yes, right?

[slender hatch]

Yes

[spark sky]

Well, if uninstalling the game and deleting the FactoryGame directory from your %AppData% doesn't fix it, I'd consider checking for viruses or malware on your machine.

[slender hatch]

I legit factory reset my PC a month ago

[cunning siren]

It seemed like a spiderbro blew self up by proximity to Cluster Nobelisk? 🤔 Is that a thing?

[slender hatch]

I'm even going to move my game to a different drive.So instead of my hard drive, i'm just going to put it on my s.S d

[spark sky]

Depending on what you put on your computer, or what websites you go to, you could have reset it an hour ago and still have gotten something bad. Those things don't care about the timing.

[slender hatch]

Oh yea I know

[spark sky]

Anyway, that's about all I can suggest, for now.

Do some test blueprints when you get the creative world up, just something simple, to see what happens.

[slender hatch]

Yea im gonna i do appreciate your time ot is extremely helpful when you dedicate your precious time

[fierce granite]

looks like the invalid session name bug for blueprints

[spark sky]

I don't know of this bug, is this something that was supposed to have been fixed?

[fierce granite]

has not been fixed yet, but you can update session name in game to not include an invalid character.

[slender hatch]

......

Did I just delete everything for no reason

[spark sky]

So, how do we know what characters are invalid?

[slender hatch]

Well, you know what, I'm not even mad. I really enjoyed my first 20 hours in satisfactory. Just about to get to steel production.
So now I get to do it again

[fierce granite]

recently there has been multiple people with a space at the end of the session name that breaks the blueprints just like you described:
Cannot start or end with space or . (period)
Cannot contain any of: \ / : * ? " < > | '

copied from a post in the Q and A section

[spark sky]

Oh, and a space could accidentally get hit and you wouldn't know it.

[slender hatch]

Well, like I said with it being my first playthrough, i'm not really all that mad, I just gotta hope.And pray that on my first hard drive, I can get stitched.Iron plates again, because god almighty, I understand why every satisfactory player says they hate screws

[stone python]

banana

[spark sky]

I can't speak, for Phase 1 I made 16,000 screws by hand.

[fierce granite]

just depends on how you use the screws whether or not it makes them painful.

[spark sky]

(I watched a lot of YouTube videos while they were in production.)

[slender hatch]

Lmaooo

Thanks for the help anyways guys, im enjoying this game tremendously.

Plus its a bonus that I learnt you can remove crash sites and get parts

[spark sky]

That's a new thing, recent update.

Very nice. Also, collect as many lizzard doggos as you can, they give you lots of stuff, much of which you can't make, yet.

Nice for doing research.

[rustic otter]

hey im having trouble connecting to my friend and hes having trouble connecting to me, are the servers down or smth?

[spark sky]

I have a nice kennel blueprint.

You are the server.

That is, your computer is. It's P2P.

[rustic otter]

then why cant me and my frend play?

we tampered with the connection methoid multiple times already

[small pebble]

I’m struggling with power early…. Does it get better when you get the compost in tier 2? Can only find so many leaves

[spark sky]

You can pick up wood, too. Also, the chainsaw helps (cut down trees).

[small pebble]

True

[spark sky]

Wood can be found sitting on the ground.

Also, as you find Somersloops, put them in the constructors that are making the biofuel.

[slender hatch]

Lizzard doggo?

[rustic otter]

they give materials and slugs

[slender hatch]

How does 1 tame them?

[rustic otter]

many of those materials are late game and can be sunk for coupons

get a pale berry/ the red berries approach one once it noptices u open ur inventory and drop it and stay still

it will go to the berry and eat and it will be tamed

[spark sky]

Or used to research in the MAM (that's how I got Geothermal before Phase 1).

[slender hatch]

Does it follow you?

[rustic otter]

yeah and u can trap it using foundations and walls

[slender hatch]

I was gonna say that would be annoying when im trying to build

[spark sky]

I have a doggo kennel blueprint that will hold 40 of them.

[rustic otter]

yeah and theres a radius where they follow if ur too far they wont

[slender hatch]

Holy

[rustic otter]

anyways by again guys

[hallow compass]

#screenshots message you need to build a short section (1-2m) immediately after the corner

[spark sky]

Here: #screenshots message

[slender hatch]

So niceeee

Idk how yall do that

I'm still trying to avoid spaghetti in my factory

Straight build mode is a godsend

[spark sky]

Do you know about the world grid?

[spark sky]

It takes a lot of experimentation, plus I've been building stuff in other games for years. Still, each game has it's quirks and limitations. Other people build these huge things I can't begin to design, yet. The most complex things I've tried to design are my biofuel power plants and a coal power plant.

[slender hatch]

Yes I do

[spark sky]

I've been experimenting with vertical load balancers using the new ability to attach splitters and mergers to lifts.

It's a bit complicated, since there is currently no way to feed a lift from the center, with the material going up and down from there (well, there is, but it involves building the top and bottom as blueprints, then placing them on top of and below a normal splitter and connecting the splitter to the other pieces).

[slender hatch]

I'm nowhere near that kind of complexity yet

[spark sky]

#screenshots message

You'll get there.

[sick falcon]

you can attach splitters to lifts now?

[spark sky]

Yes, but the top or bottom of the lift, depending on which end is the supply, will always be the input, with the splitter becoming two of the outputs and the other end of the lift being the output. I got around the limitation by putting a merger on the input side of the lift, removing the bottom (or top) of the lift and using the merger as the input. The direction of the lift has to be taken into consideration, always. I've had to test my results and figure out what was broken many times (sometimes the material would go up but not down, or vice-versa).

[rustic pier]

anybody notice if you fly into the glass.. it makes a thunk sound xD

[placid stirrup]

Best feature in the game

I'm sad that sound doesn't play in every other game with windows

[rustic pier]

I just did it looking into one of my factories and i was like wait what? lol

[placid stirrup]

Incentives the player to build aesthetically pleasing factories with windows, too

[sick falcon]

how do you remove the bottom/top of the lift

[spark sky]

So, try this: Make a lift taller than you want it. Start at the bottom, connect it to a splitter output, then go high as you need. Place the merger above the connection to the splitter on the bottom. Delete the splitter and the lower end of the lift and the upper part of the lift will be attached to the merger. Do the same from the top to do the bottom part.

(With another lift.)

That's two blueprints. Place your splitter above that merger for the upper blueprint.

[sick falcon]

do u have like an image of this or something

[spark sky]

Hold on.

[spice spindle]

quick question. when do we get the jetpack?

[shrewd palm]

tier 5 i think

[feral geyser]

T5, but if you get lucky and find a Johnny, you can get one earlier

[spice spindle]

Johnny?

[feral geyser]

It's a big hog that has a jetpack and can fly. He's very rare apparently. I've never seen one.

As they say, "when pigs fly"

[shrewd palm]

i think theres only one on the map at any given time

[spice spindle]

Ohh I'm still in my tiny tiny little area

haven't explored much yet

[shrewd palm]

ive for sure run into one and after i killed it i think i found another across the map a couple days later but that was close to 2 years ago now so im not even sure

[slender hatch]

Terrifying

[spark sky]

What's terrifying? Play around with the parts, learn how to do things, you'll figure out your own "look".

[spark sky]

I had built the blueprints for the bottom and top of that colored tower, put them together, connected the electrical connections on the outside, then when I got inside I found out that the fuel souce was on the other side of the building from the input to the top. Oops! So, I did some redesigning of the bottom, as that was easier (flipped it around and moved the electrical connections). Put it together again, and everything connected nicely.

[rose saffron]

I need to start setting up steel production

I have mk2 drills unlocked now, so I really should start utilizing this new tech to advance my space elevator

[spark sky]

That remids me of a story I once heard of a guy who was getting fired asking the CEO of the company how to get where he was. "Don't make mistakes," the CEO replied. "How do you keep from making mistakes," the guy asked. The CEO replied, "Make lots of mistakes."

Or, as Thomas Edison said about the failures they were having while inventing the lightbulb (not an exact quote), "We're doing fine, just eliminating all the things that don't work so we don't have to try them again."

[spark sky]

There's too much space in that elevator.

Or, is it elevated space?

[rose saffron]

hmmm

steeled frame or steel screws

[spark sky]

This a hard drive choice?

[rose saffron]

yes

I'm thinking steeled frame, I wouldn't even be able to output half of what the steel screws produces per minute

[spark sky]

Get more hard drives and perhaps you won't have to make that choice.

Well, if you pick one, the one you picked won't show up in your further research.

Which do you need most?

[rose saffron]

yeah yeah I get it I'll have them all eventually

[clever stone]

Chriiiiiist almighty the phase 4 parts are rearing their ugly head to me

Is phase five worth the potential slondoggery these parts may cause

I should probably check out the phase five project parts hrm

Looked it up. My honest reaction:

[jolly zephyr]

yes

[clever stone]

How so

[jolly zephyr]

Lots of good features

[nocturne oracle]

portals are for cowards

[mighty kayak]

Can I build over that lake on the center of the map? (NE of Dune Desert SW of Forest start) I thought Dune would put me close to ocean for somewhere flat but alas

[jolly zephyr]

you can build anywhere you want so long as you do not go too low, high our to far out. There are boundaries that create a very large kill box.
If you are mot dying while standing there, you can build there.

It may not be fun or efficient, but you can do it.

[mighty kayak]

I seem to recall taking damage when trying to cross it, so I do think it would be one of those out of boundaries locations. I suppose I'm probably overvaluing flat terrain (I'm new to the game)? I noticed vertical ceiling seems stupid high

The location start text made it seem like flat terrain would be a boon and it kinda is for bootstrap or belting, but with foundations I don't really see why it would matter

Maybe for transport ig, a lot I haven't unlocked or seen yet

[turbid merlin]

When it comes to hard drive collection. Is it best to get as many as you can and then research them all?

I’ve got little idea of the best way to do that

[jolly zephyr]

yes

[mighty kayak]

Anyway thanks for your help 👍

[mighty kayak]

There's gotta be better ways but I found just building big ladder and parachuting around helped me find crash sites very easily

[shrewd palm]

if you dont mind being a little "cheaty" you can use SCIM to look up all the crash sites and artifacts and stuff

[turbid merlin]

Oh trust me. I do

[shrewd palm]

then dont worry about it

[turbid merlin]

If I’ve unlocked all of the alt recipes for that phase. Then what’s the go?

[shrewd palm]

probably just hold on to them

and then in the next phase start opening them

[turbid merlin]

Do I get a notification saying you’ve researched all alts for this tier?

[shrewd palm]

nope

[turbid merlin]

Ah okay

[jolly zephyr]

Get them all scanned and then you can reroll them next phase.

Actually, I wont swear to this, but I think you can unlock future recipes without going further. I could be wrong

[turbid merlin]

Yea. Wasn’t sure if it worked based on your available recipes or if it’s just everything

[shrewd palm]

iirc i think the game only gives recipes for stuff you have unlocked, but for my last run i use ags to give myself all the alts because i didnt want to spend like 10 hours finding and decrypting all the hard drives

so im not entirely sure but thats what ive heard other people say and thats what makes sense to me

always good to find out that the modular engine assembler i set up like 3 hours ago ran out of motors like 10 minutes in somehow

[rose saffron]

wow

the TAA implementation is HORRIBLE

it has an insane amount of ghosting, and FXAA is the only other option

[topaz ocean]

@mystic socket

What happened, can you DM me

[mystic socket]

Ok

[glass sleet]

Yo some of my nobelisks aren't detonating

I need help because there's bombs all over my factory

[fierce quartz]

oops

[fierce quartz]

you may have some in other areas that you haven't exploded. I usually spam it a bit and eventually they blow up

[restive agate]

i need some advice, do you guys personally build modular factories for say tier one items then transport them to factories to create tier 2 3 4 ext or do you guys build factories around nodes and build the items necessary

[charred sentinel]

Sorry - couldn't resist. I can only speak for myself (obviously) but I've take both approaches, because it kinda depends on the item.

[white dawn]

I generally follow "Independency" (https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency), where a factory outputs one (or a few tightly-related) resources for "personal" use, from ore->product. Any other factory which needs more of those resources just makes more of them right inside the new factory

By late-game my "factories" tend to be pretty geographically dispersed; I'll often have components being produced around the map and shipped around as-needed, but each of those tends to be very specifically built with that specific export in mind, not due to centralization of production

[restive agate]

okok thank you\

i would consider myself still in the early game but im having to venture bout further away from my "main base" ig so i just wanted to understand how to build factories going forward

[white dawn]

Oh, nice to see that they're working on the drone-freezing issue

I've only actually seen that happen once, and fortunately it was before the factory was actually online so it didn't matter, but still

[spark sky]

Hm, drones with icecicles hanging from them.

Sounds like Ficsmas.

[jovial magnet]

When can i get diluted fuel alt recipe? Im at tier 5 rn

[white dawn]

The Blender version ("Diluted Fuel") isn't available until Phase 4 (Tiers 7+8) since it requires the Blender

The Refinery version ("Diluted Packaged Fuel") should be available right away, and has the same material ratios (so it's just as resource-efficient as the Blender version)