satisfactory

[cunning glade]

If u really want refined power is the mod I think or something like that

I think the current ones are pretty diverse

[lavish lance]

new power source idea:

9.99$ -> 1000mw infinite battery.

[pallid ridge]

Also EV. I would like to see an EV truck i guess

[lavish lance]

i <3 microtransactions

electronic trucks i would actually use.

[hard ivy]

But batteries in it and it's an EV XD

[pallid ridge]

Wait, we can do this?

[lavish lance]

sure

u can also put in uranium rods

i know it works with drones, i assume it also works on trucks

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure trucks take basically anything solid with an energy value

[lavish lance]

ur mom

[leaden turret]

[versed mesa]

How many power storage units can we have hooked up to 2 Geothermal generators?

[cunning siren]

Cyber Wagon not EV? 🤔 Sus

[versed mesa]

I am thinking alots is good then lots more power stored

Then it can help with supporting the grid power

[cunning siren]

I've got ~256 in this save, I build them in the corner of the desert on the water so they are never rendered by GPU

[grim ermine]

Infinite

[cunning siren]

Buy a video card that isn't ~10 years old? 🤔 Nahhhh, I'll just build more walls 😆

[white grotto]

the only caterium vein that was near me (800m) has a boulder ontop of it 😭

cant even place miner

[pallid ridge]

Too small

I'm thinking of the size of truck

The game truck not our normal truck

[cunning siren]

Oooof, time to ---> 🧨

[white grotto]

u can blow it up?

elaborate please

[cunning siren]

Do you want spoilers?

Spoilers: ||https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Nobelisk_Detonator#Nobelisk-0||

[reef basin]

I'd rather build more power than more power storage

[hard ivy]

Power storage is only really useful for booting up a new power plant that wouldn't be able to run at your current production but will sustain itself after it's up

[grim ermine]

This is what ill have to do. Ive just unlocked blenders and have created 4800 rocket fuel but i cant power it all currently

[plucky flower]

Omg, I just realised how even more fun Satisfactory is

[unkempt blade]

power storage is amazing for friendproofing multiplayer saves 🙂

[plucky flower]

Im getting addicted, the factory must grow

[grim ermine]

Indeed

[plucky flower]

Hey Ducky

[versed mesa]

True I guess just wanting to find out more with geo and adding power storage units

[unkempt blade]

I'm going to disagree with the rest of chat and say power storage is especially good for newer players who are still figuring the game out. Building some power storage is way less annoying than resetting your power grid is after you overload it

[versed mesa]

So ive reached swamp area what should I do there ive got a little idea but nit sure if its the best idea and am going to try and build theys shapes factories almost like a circle but not and have lifts set up in the middle of each to go to each floor its alot like Domes but they like they are cut in half like walls would of been there but ill remove them going all the way round then themat open bit I was thinking something fancy like lights signs or what ever

[versed mesa]

Your right I agree they really do help to get power flowing when you building up specially for best power machines

A big project am going try and work on

To try get everything needed crafted in each building to put together to create something else like am working toward that Nukeclear stuff and the Uranium lol

What do yous think good i dea maybe ?

Its just a little though

[cunning siren]

Some of my "buildings" remind me of those one sided movie / TV sets where the other side is compleatly open. Some are not buildings so to say, more like "FPS shields" 😆

[versed mesa]

Lol

Witch is best Alternate. Automated speed wiring or cloudy diamonds

[white grotto]

nah nvm then

[tacit lodge]

ive finished the game a while ago but i want to 100% it
for that i need 1k tickets for golden nut
what would be the best way to get there? (ideally with the least ammount of suffering)

[cunning siren]

BWD sinking is what I did / am doing and I can nut twice already this playthorugh, 10 /min is not so bad as long as you plan out sloop usage well

[tacit lodge]

bwd?

[cunning siren]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Ballistic_Warp_Drive

[unkempt blade]

basically pick your favorite spaceship parts and automate them then sink them

[tacit lodge]

all of them seem quite painful to do

[unkempt blade]

if you haven't done lots of the dna coupons already those add up pretty fast too

[unkempt blade]

yeah that's why they're worth tons of points

[cunning siren]

I agree, that's why I used a planner that supports a full supply chain slooping and overclocking. My math is not that great so... 🤷 why not have these computer things do the math right? Thats one of the reasons I bought it 😆

[tacit lodge]

is it worth it to sloop anything but the very end of the chain?

[unkempt blade]

you could automate any item you want really it'll just take more of that item to get the coupons

[cunning siren]

I do copper powder and casings 🤷 but, I am kind of an oddball

And lazy

[unkempt blade]

you could sloop more than just the end of the chain, there's no real downside for slooping as long as you have the extra power to use them

[tacit lodge]

automating ballistic warp drives seems a bit overkill as according to a calculator i found it would only take 10 hours to get to 1000 tickets
and with how big the chain is it would probably take me considerably more than 10 hours to build the factory

[cunning siren]

I'm not an "expert" at this game and this is how I'm sinking 10 BWD in current playthrough #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

🤷 you can sink anything you want, they're just worth different numbers of points

[cunning siren]

The pink spots are where the sloops are

[unkempt blade]

that's honestly a lot fewer buildings than I expected it to be 😆

[cunning siren]

I love to slooooOOOOOOP!

That build also builds more than it needs to and sinks what I don't use

[royal spear]

any1 got an good idea what i can do for power in the beginning of Phase 4 and where i could build it

[reef basin]

any of the available options
near resources it needs

[unkempt blade]

my vote is for 4000 biomass burners and anywhere you want to build it

[cunning siren]

Check out the SE corner of the map and the Nitro Rocket Fuel recipe. Basically all you need unless you have big plans of your own

[unkempt blade]

depending on how-beginning of P4 he's at he might need to unlock the blender and some alt recipes

[royal spear]

i already got blenders but i didnt unlock the stuff for like better aluminum and drones and stuff

does nitro rocket fuel or turbo fuel generate more MW?

[unkempt blade]

Diluted fuel + heavy oil residue is a standard choice for power. Beyond that you'd use those going into some sort of rocket fuel probably

[cunning siren]

First one yes, second one... lets not talk about the second one

[royal spear]

alright cause i didnt get rocket fuel yet

[cunning siren]

GET dat!

[unkempt blade]

they burn for longer per unit so you can run more generators off of the same quantity of that fuel type

[royal spear]

which milestone is it?

[cunning siren]

OH it's a MAM unlock

[unkempt blade]

but there's also always 4000 biomass burners....

[royal spear]

yeah idk bout that

[unkempt blade]

ooh or here's an unconventional choice - petroleum coke!

[royal spear]

yeah or i just dont use that

[unkempt blade]

But you could! Think of all that sweet sweet coal generator power

[languid anvil]

how much is enough per minute when it comes to production? is there a sweet number or just however much i think i might need?

[cunning siren]

Compacted coal gens everywhere! ALL the coal nodes!

🤢

I did not make a single coal gen this run 😆

[unkempt blade]

depends on the item and what part of the game you're in and what recipes you use but generally just produce as much as you can all the time and sink the extras

[languid anvil]

sounds good, thank you :D

[unkempt blade]

are you still biofuel only?

[cunning siren]

Nooooo, I switched to geo ASAP

Then went to Nitro Rocket

I had a 15 biogen setup

[unkempt blade]

I might have to try skipping coal sometime and see how it changes things up. I usually rush straight for it and end up with 40ish coal gens before moving on to something oil-based

[cunning siren]

Coal is not bad, I was very rusty at playing this game and did not know how to run pipe for 💩, I've been playing probably to much and that has helped my game knowladge a bit now. Maybe next playthrough I can go gonzo on some coal gens

[languid anvil]

how do people become better factory designers

[cunning siren]

Practice

[languid anvil]

it blows my mind seeing some aesthetically pleasing builds

[shy mulch]

Love this idea

[cunning siren]

My builds run well, they are not very pleasing to the eye though 😆

[unkempt blade]

They play a whole lot. Figuring out a style you like helps a lot though. It's mostly just building patterns you can reuse or adapt for other buildings

[languid anvil]

time to sink my entire life into this game

[unkempt blade]

go outside once in a while, maybe you can get inspired by real buildings 😆

[shy mulch]

How many coupons do you get for that though

[unkempt blade]

this is late stage space capitalism so you're probably not going to like the answer

[frail sleet]

The main usage for them is to cover the difference between peak and average power draw when using things with variable power addition/consumption.

They can significantly expand the amount of power that you can draw on average without tripping the grid (double digit %) while being much easier and faster to build than the same amount of additional continuous power.

They also cost nothing to operate, so they're "free" in that sense. A world with them is simply better than a world without.

[languid anvil]

lmao

[polar leaf]

Ok guys which one do I do first

[languid anvil]

why is scannable caterium ore a reward for completing the petroleum power milestone?

did the devs think that someone might have just not cared enough to research it prior to getting to tier 5? LMAOO

[polar leaf]

Factory that makes shit ton of rubber and plastic or all world bauxite aluminium factory first

[frail sleet]

Yes, a large fraction of people do that.

[languid anvil]

wow, thats so sad to think about

that people didnt discover the beauty of caterium for that long

[frail sleet]

yeah

[pale dew]

i need 90coal per min is it better tu build a mk2 and underclock or mk1 and overclock?

[frail sleet]

quartz for blade runners is worse 😄

[polar leaf]

Not everyone enters the games knowing what's good what's bad

[frail sleet]

always use max miner

[pale dew]

ok

[frail sleet]

Yeah, there is A LOT to pick up and it's not clear where to focus when unless you've done a lot of wiki diving spoilering.

[languid anvil]

not the point i was making, im saying it's sad that theres people that werent curious what this thing is and never researched it for example

whatever i was finding out and about i was trying to see if it was researchable

[frail sleet]

I did half of P2 before i ever found a caterium rock, i didn't even know that it was in the game. That rock wasn't enough to research properly.

A friend hunted for quite a while to find a proper node. That node had a rock on it, so we made caterium stuff in late P2 by spamming portable miners and hand-feeding crates.

Pretty typical experience from what i've heard.

[languid anvil]

woah

[polar leaf]

Tbf a 20 minute YouTube guide will make your start twice as fast

Personally I never buy a game without watching gameplay prior

Unless it's something like GTA VI lol

[frail sleet]

yes but hard to distinguish the good from the bad if you know nothing, and also takes away from the game if somebody gives you a list of what to do when, beforehand.

[languid anvil]

how good is the stitched iron plate alt rec?

[frail sleet]

no screws, no copper if you have iron wire 😄

[polar leaf]

Best alt personally use with iron wire

[languid anvil]

damn i need to go harddrive hunting

cast iron screws be blessed upon me 🙏 🧎‍♂️

[polar leaf]

Man it took me 31 hard drives to get solid steel ingot

[frail sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs5oLYiB2Cg

Pioneer with hard drives

[languid anvil]

the only reason some of my factories look a lil like spaghetti is because of screws

[frail sleet]

changed link cause that one had a stupid meme in it 😄

[polar leaf]

I watched it 3 times confused

New one makes more sense

😭

[polar leaf]

There's not much you can do in early game honestly but some recipes like cast screw help a lot

[languid anvil]

also question, why should you always use an overclocked miner than an underclocked one?

[frail sleet]

Higher ranked miner.

Using a lower ranked miner either throws away material or costs more power to OC

[dense violet]

build the screws right before they get used

[dense violet]

the power consumption is negligible, just build whatever miner + clocking you need to extract the ore pm you have a goal.
Power is easy fast and essentially infinite

[languid anvil]

ah alright makes sense :D

[warped imp]

What's the best method to get tech support for Satisfactory? After years my game has just decided to become a constant crashing nightmare. I've tried updating BIOS, reinstalling graphics drivers, changing to DirectX 11 and a heap of other suggestions online. I'm tearing my hair out over here after 6500 hours

[frail sleet]

what's your cpu and ram

[warped imp]

i7-13700KF, where the heck do I find what my RAM is again?

[frail sleet]

hwinfo

[warped imp]

I know it's 13th gen, but my BIOS is up to date, only just become an issue in Satisfactory 2 days ago, not affecting anything else

[frail sleet]

You probably don't do anything else which loads the cpu heavily and checks for errors

i give it at least 80% odds that it's broken

the BIOS updates don't reverse damage that has already happened, they just slow further damage.

A brand new CPU installed after the latest updates should, probably, last 5+ years. One that was installed before the updates? Very likely failing in this manner after months to a few years.

[warped imp]

I use Ableton which really loads it up with stuff to do, no issues there ever

And the BIOS was updated a long time ago not long after getting it

About the only thing I have left to try is disabling XMP

[frail sleet]

I doubt ableton checks for errors. It's a large additional workload that doesn't make any sense to do as it will just slow down the program.

XMP is overclocking, you should turn overclocks off first if you're having a problem.

But you can go and run some CPU tests like in OCCT, or ycruncher - they check for errors

[warped imp]

cheers I'll give them a go

[frail sleet]

If it's happy passing multiple programs like that for many hours, it's less likely to be cpu fault, but still on the table. Marginal instability may only show in very specific workloads, or rarely, and you can't prove stability (only disprove instability with increasing confidence)

Something that can crash Satisfactory regularly though shouldn't be that hard to catch.

If it fails them, it's 100% cpu instability which you can prove. If the CPU says 2+2=5 then the CPU or RAM is definitely not working.

[ember moon]

I got cast screws as an alternate recipe is that good enough

[pale dew]

imagine using alterantive recipies

i struggle and cry when i find a good spot with lots of iron and no copper.

like a real pioneer

[cunning siren]

No copper in a starting area? Thats news to me

[pale dew]

Not starting area

i mean overall

since im not a fan of conveyor highways

[cunning siren]

I pet my belts, they sing for me

[unkempt blade]

I agree, factory cart highways are way better

[pale dew]

YESSS

500 factory carts

no fuel meta

[amber heath]

are all the caterium nodes covered with stone?

[dense violet]

start using radar dishes or online maps, lots of copper

[pale dew]

i use online maps

thats the problem

i found the perfect spot for a factory

bad thing is its far from my plastic factory

and the elevator

so ill rpolly have to use train phase 3

[shy mulch]

trains are good, embrace them, start very simple but hold the expectation in your mind that you will rebuild and improve later

[white dawn]

Welcome to "expanding across the map!" :D

[pale dew]

i already did

but this is the first one that cant work independently

unless i do 2 extractors with overclock to 250 and 200%

honestly it could work

[pale dew]

i mean yeah it would be just a big loop

unless i can make the train reuse the track with some sort of split

[lethal scroll]

my lizard doggo just gave me a yellow power slug??? where did you get this???

[pale dew]

wait till it gets uranium and you wont be able to come close to him

[lethal scroll]

...why is that even a thing 😭

[pale dew]

i mean i dont think it can find uranium

but if it has uranium in its inv

it will be radioactive

it wont die too, so you have a small radioactive dog following you

[lethal scroll]

lmao

also, is it just me or do we not have enough lighting options

[pale dew]

Sun

[lethal scroll]

I want some indoor lighting

wall lighting

small lights

[cunning siren]

Yea... the game seems to do it's own lighting

[lethal scroll]

I wanna light up my underground areas

it's dark af down here

but not high enough for street lights

[spare ice]

Hey guys, if I wanted to transport fuel, should I go for packaged fuel or pack turbo fuel ?

[dense violet]

oh nooooo, having to use the game mechanics and spread out as intended 😛

[dense violet]

depends what you're using for and where you are

[pale dew]

yk usually trains are like a late game tool aint they?

[spare ice]

Just to fuel some gens above starting point 1:P

[dense violet]

you unlock them very early

[dense violet]

why transport it at all then?

[pale dew]

Dont transport it then

[spare ice]

Theres no oil there

[pale dew]

much more efficient to have em near refinerries

[dense violet]

burn it where you're making it. Don't transport it

[spare ice]

Should I transport the coal and etc there instead ?

[pale dew]

No

find a spot with coal and water near eachother

if you wanna use em for power

[dense violet]

for turboe fuel ? it's easier to move solids yes.
but if you make diluted fuel you'll have tons of power

and don't need coal

[spare ice]

No I meant more the ores

My oil plant is to the west

[pale dew]

https://imgur.com/a/kzq1cXP, great spot, i have 32 coal gens here

[spare ice]

and I have my "production base" above starting point 1

[pale dew]

so make fuel and burn it there

[spare ice]

YES thats my prod base there!

[dense violet]

you said there was no oil at the base

and that you wanted to move it there

[spare ice]

Is there oil there :O?

[dense violet]

I have nfi what you're even trying to say anymore

[pale dew]

Bro, theres no point in moving either oil and fuel if you wanna use them for power generation

[dense violet]

I'm assuming troll at this point

[spare ice]

I see thought fuel gens would be more "efficient"

[pale dew]

huh

[dense violet]

efficient how?

[spare ice]

No, I wanted to move fuel to power fuel gens near my coal base

[dense violet]

why move it to your coal base in the first place?

[spare ice]

LMAO I thought fuel gens would be better and give more power. It might have been completely useless idea

But it was jsut and idea lol

[dense violet]

no, you just don't need to move it

we've said that 10 times

[hard ivy]

They are better than coal gens. But why would you put them near your coal gens???

[spare ice]

Yeah I got that, im trying to explain my thought cause you assumed I was trolling. If you take a second and try to read to understand you would get that.

[spare ice]

I got it now ty 😄

[hard ivy]

Coal gens go near coal, fuel gens go where you're making fuel

[pale dew]

In this game theres no concept of ressistance across power lines

[dense violet]

it is absolutely not clear.

[pale dew]

coal gens go near WATER and then coal

this is my small plant @spare ice https://imgur.com/a/g67uZFE

as you can see, powerplants are next to oil

small yelow boxes are extractors and green are powerplants

[spare ice]

+1 Im gonna build more coal gens, Just thought if it would be "easier" to transport fuel thats all 😉

But I see 😄 Dont mix and match

[pale dew]

i got 32 if you want i can show you em too

a lil plant setup

[spare ice]

Noo I trust you lol

But for educational purposes sure :)?

[hard ivy]

Power is the easiest to transport, next are items and fluids are the worst to move long distances

[spare ice]

FYI im on phase 3 not even started creating the items. if everything seems a bit unclear in my questions 😛

[pale dew]

https://imgur.com/a/67iFDXO

it takes a bit of time since this channel doesnt accept photos so i have to use imgur

[spare ice]

Holy f...

[pale dew]

i did that phase 2

[hard ivy]

This isn't even that big

[dense violet]

literally every other channel accepts images.
there's a whole channel dedicated for it

[spare ice]

I see ;)I

[pale dew]

i think its pretty avarage size, id say even really big

[violet brook]

Question, what did the 1.1 update exactly add?

[spare ice]

I got 5 coal gens running and having trouble to find more space

[violet brook]

(Came after it)

[unkempt blade]

let's see your coal power plant then!

[dense violet]

build up

[spare ice]

I know now to build on the height

[spare ice]

Yupp excatly! 😄

[pale dew]

look on steam

[hard ivy]

I mean it's definitely above average 😉
But it is not that big either lol

[pale dew]

Wdym, its huge

more then enough

[dense violet]

🧌

[spare ice]

It amazes me people build so neatly and everything planned

[pale dew]

Use calculators

i like to put everything side to side if im building lots of the same buildings

[unkempt blade]

instructions unclear! math is perfect and spaghetti is all over the place!

[spare ice]

Yeah I just might to pass phase 3 tbh

I do alot of running around moving items _

[pale dew]

https://imgur.com/a/j2w9t2a , i turned off powerline visibility

[spare ice]

Let it be known, ive played for 1 week

[pale dew]

Oh...

[pale dew]

same here, i just got some expirience with ratioes from other game

[spare ice]

LMAO ffs 😛

[pale dew]

i have only 48 h

[unkempt blade]

you're amazing and talented and I believe in you to finish phase 3

[spare ice]

HOOOOOW, you must be efficient as hell!

[spare ice]

Tytyty ;:D I will do it1

[pale dew]

Calculators lol

im using 2 since they have features that the other one doesnt

[spare ice]

Do you mind linking?

[tidal ivy]

@unkempt blade i'll build a factorycartpark in my new world just for u

[pale dew]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

this will prolly be enough for you

just watch the miner and extractor production and use it to figure out the numbers

[spare ice]

Should i demolish and restart lmao 😄 hmmmmmmmmmmm

[pale dew]

thats also where the second one comes in

i jsut set what miner and ore i have and it tells me how many miners i need

https://kirkmcdonald.github.io/satisfactory-calculator/calc.html#zip=K0lMss3NzEstKlbLLEnNLbZNLipNSdXNz8yxKrIyMzbQySzKz9PNL0oFcg0NTA10cjJzU4tL8vMgAhYGahDdtnB1YL5ubraRlRGSYiRRAA==

this is the one

[spare ice]

Need to put some time into it 😛

[pale dew]

proly not

you can just make it more efficient

[spare ice]

I dont think you know how my base looks

Spaghettttttti 😄

[pale dew]

mine does too

the main one

[zenith fractal]

after phase 3

[spare ice]

😄

[zenith fractal]

I only kept my first base running to fill depots

[pale dew]

https://imgur.com/a/nUTlByE this is just belts btw

i turned off buildings

[zenith fractal]

i haven't untangled the mess there to act as a reminder

of what not to do in the future

[pale dew]

of the good ol times

[spare ice]

LMAOOOO 😛

[spare ice]

I see

BTW noob questions, how do you upload to that site to show you the belts buildings etc?

[pale dew]

you need to copy your save file to it

win + r

search %localappdata%

[spare ice]

AHhhh

[pale dew]

it will open a folder where you need to find "factorygame"

C:\Users\ ()\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames i think is the directory

[spice patio]

%LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames
Listed in #faq

[spare ice]

Alright 😉

[pale dew]

that works too

[spare ice]

tyyy 😄

[unkempt blade]

I didn't actually watch the stream yet but I assume it was entirely about the mk2 factory cart?

[mossy moon]

guys

it is a bug that i can delete ficsonium in the inventory but not in the sink

bcs i thought anything you cant sink also cant be deleted manually

[abstract heron]

i think its just for power

[versed meadow]

yo should i buy satisfactory even though i never played a automation type game

[outer scarab]

no there are a few things you cant sink.

[outer scarab]

if you want to play it sure. watch a video and see if you want to do it

[unkempt blade]

you should listen to your heart there's nothing else you can do

[zenith fractal]

if you like math along with the satisfaction of a job well done then yes

imo

[unkempt blade]

*math is optional if you just ignore all the min/maxing and uptime numbers

[vestal hill]

Satisfactory is the nerdiest game I know and I’m so here for it

My most played game on steam lol

[silver fog]

It's normal that my visual quality is enormously reduced while I'm in ultra for but other games the quality remains good but on satisfactory it is reduced ?

Is there a setting I set incorrectly?

[ivory condor]

Factorio is more for nerds🤓

[vestal hill]

I don’t know the specifics of factorio

[heavy anvil]

factorio also requires less hand eye coordination and is a 2d pixel game

i could in theory just use a satisfactory calculator to build factories and have the same overall exipernce but then whats the point

[fallen ravine]

Just made my first coal power plant! I made it bigger than what I can use so half of it is offline but eventually we will get it fully running!

Had a few hiccups with some pipes that gave me a mini heart attack xD

[versed mesa]

I was starting to do my new building and I messed the first part of the foundation up and I said nah thats not right and I think amtrying to go for a pentagon shape with about 12 or so

Is not easy when your tired lol

[harsh valley]

Almost done with phase 2

I'm getting tired of coal

Is phase 3 really as hard as people say it is

[vestal hill]

I’ve just entered it and so far life is good

[shy mulch]

Who said phase 3 is hard?

[vestal hill]

Almost completed my versatile framework & got faster belts and flight

[rich garden]

It's hard but in the "oh man my technical debt needs to be paid NOW" kind of way not in the "oh man I can't do this" hard imho

[vestal hill]

Wdym by technical debt

[placid stirrup]

Phase X is exponentially more complex than Phase Y, where X-Y=1

[shy mulch]

It's a commonly used phrase, Google it

[rich garden]

Have you ever looked upon your field of spaghetti and despaired

[vestal hill]

Truest thing I’ve seen today

[vestal hill]

Spaghetti will always be part of life

#screenshots message

example: it looks good but when you look a little closer..

[rich garden]

In theory: Perfect Symmetry 🐰
in practice: italian cooking 🤌

[shy mulch]

Maybe my brain just works differently or something, but even when I was first learning the game, on my first playthrough, no guides or YouTube videos or anything like that, just doing my own thing at my own pace and figuring it out, I never ended up with kind of absolute batshit spaghetti I see in some of the screenshots, how do people end up building like that without thinking they are taking a bad path

[vestal hill]

Probably on purpose

[shy mulch]

Nah there's a lot of people who post asking for help and their factories are complete random mayhem. You can tell when it's on purpose vs when it's just brainless

[placid stirrup]

Back in my day, you had to count two ticks off your belt to turn 90°!!

[vestal hill]

Oh probably because that seems like the easiest and most efficient way

[harsh valley]

As of now my factory is producing the last of the versatile frameworks needed

[vestal hill]

“I need X resource to get from point a to point b” x 100 will add up

[shy mulch]

I'm not convinced they think at all about whether something is easier or more efficient. Just working at all, in any way possible, seems to be good enough for some

[rich garden]

Personally, this is HOW I've been learning to organize my ADHD brain. This is playhtru 4 and after getting to Vulcanus in my current Factorio run I feel able-minded enough to tame the spaghette

[vestal hill]

That’s so good that this game helps you

[vestal hill]

Honestly the only reason I keep my stuff above the ground (as seen in that screenshot for example) is cuz I know for a fact things will break if I go any lower. I keep em together because that’s the easiest option (just stack another stackable pole thing and im done)
Otherwise id be making more spaghetti than the most Italian Italians

[unkempt blade]

yeah it would be interesting how many people like that have never played any sort of other factory builder or like a city builder or strategy game or anything like that where some minimal amount of thought where you place stuff actually improves the experience

if all you've ever played is like FPS or platformers or something I could see why you're maybe not thinking about organizing early on

[white dawn]

I expect it's often a case of players both sticking to the centralization/expand-existing-factories mindset and simply not being prepared for the complexity that ends up requiring. (Combine with not realizing how much of a gamechanger foundations are)

I know on my own first playthrough, my "starter" factories were absolutely getting spaghettified despite my best efforts due to stuff like that. You get a bit of sunk cost and don't want to tear stuff down (and/or haven't yet realized the wisdom in just Starting A Different Factory), and things kind of snowball from there

The early game is pretty forgiving of centralization/expansion but then as more and more get added in you're splitting these production areas up all over the place and it becomes a nightmare 'cause you're not prepared for it

So, y'know, in the end: sure, probably your brain works differently, or at least it defaulted to some insights which other folks don't necessarily get. :)

[shy mulch]

Maybe I'm being really naive or whatever. But I find it difficult to even conceive of the idea of not putting any thought into it. I'd have to actually force myself to place things badly and do it on purpose to get into the level of mess I see people getting into, who appear to be legitimately trying to do it better.

[white dawn]

I can only really speak to my own experience, of course, but for me it was 100% not a case of not putting any thought into it. It was a case of making some decisions which turned out to be bad for Making Organized Factories™, and sticking with them despite the indications that it wasn't turning out great. :D

(I mean, I suspect my starter factory didn't quite reach the levels of the screenshots you're specifically referring to, but I can tell you it still wasn't pretty. :D)

[placid stirrup]

The criteria in at least my mind during my first playthrough was "does it solve specifically this issue I have right now?" and if the answer was yes, I would implement the solution however was most convenient.

[white dawn]

Some folks obviously enjoy building 🍝 for the sake of it, so I'm sure at least sometimes it's intentional

[shy mulch]

Even down to basic things like belts clipping through each other instead of taking an extra 2 minutes to rearrange things so they don't need to clip. A lot of people don't even consider that for a second, it's just not on their mental radar at all. And it winds me up haha. I'm not expecting a glorious perfect YouTuber build. But some basic structure and order should at least be considered

[white dawn]

But I do think a lot of times it's, y'know, "Oh, I need more screws, so I'm gonna expand this screw area" and then you're sending tons of belts all over the place. Or "I need more RIPs" but you didn't quite leave yourself enough room to expand that manifold, so you just kind of awkwardly add a second level and deal with it. And the decisions just keep compounding with each other. :)

(Heh, I still sometimes don't care about belt clipping, depending on circumstance. :)

[shy mulch]

A lot of people absolutely do it on purpose, those people are not the subject of the conversation. I'm talking about the people who absolutely don't do it on purpose, they just don't have any internal concept of doing it any other way and put zero thought towards order and structure

[white dawn]

I mean, again, I diagree with the "zero thought" assumption

I think it's more often just decisions they've made which turn out to be "bad" ones (at least from an organizational standpoint), but they get stuck in a sunk cost fallacy of sorts

(And, yeah, I'm sure there are cases where it's a "zero thought" type thing, where someone's just zoning out and enjoying making a janky li'l factory. And that's fine too)

Anyway, I guess what my point is is just maybe don't let how other people are building bother you so much? :D

Again, my own first-playthrough starter factories ended up pretty awful. I remember looking at it thinking "I wasn't trying to emulate LGIO"

[lone marten]

"Deleting things is okay and sometimes the best course" is a thought people often need to sit on a little bit

[white dawn]

I had my plans, I made some decisions, and it turned out to result in quite a mess. (I even did the whole tear-down-the-factory-and-rebuild thing!)

I guess I just bristle a bit at being lumped into a "zero thought" bin, because I know that wasn't the case. :)

[lone marten]

Are we talking about spaghetti or spaghetti here

One's just a bit weird looking but the other makes factories hell to debug/understand

[merry mountain]

Twitch Dev video keeps freezing.. is it available in YouTube yet?? Apparently 1080p60 can't steam over all wifi networks and there no lower quality available.. i get about 5 seconds, then loading for 20 sec..

[unkempt blade]

but also - be comfortable wallowing in your mess because a running factory has value still 😄

[lone marten]

Sometimes it's good to delete and rebuild though

[rustic pier]

I am about to do this to the production at my coal plants.

[grim ermine]

ive always heard that aluminium was difficult to set up but ive just done it for the first time and it was no where near as difficult as other things i have done in phase 2

[unkempt blade]

there's a lot of hyperbole about certain game stuff if you ask the channel 😆

[white dawn]

The main thing that trips people up is what to do with the "waste" water, but you've got lots of options for that

Folks have run into byproducts before, but generally not byproducts that they're tempted to route back into earlier steps of the system. :D

[unkempt blade]

for example, cast screws is a really great alt recipe and is useful throughout the entire game

[grim ermine]

i didnt do this but i had a nearby project that needed copper so i just used pure copper

[cunning glade]

U need aluminum for rocket fuel yes?

I can't use like iron canisters right

[white dawn]

Packaging Rocket Fuel requires Empty Tanks, which are made of aluminum, yeah. Though for power purposes you don't need to package it in the first place

[cunning glade]

Frick

I don't wanna use my aluminum ingots for it

[white dawn]

(Also, extracting the Nitrogen you need to make rocket fuel requires Resource Well Pressurizers, which I believe require aluminum to build)

[white dawn]

Make more aluminum! :)

[cunning glade]

Well I'm making 780

[grim ermine]

i didnt realise that... my rocket fuel plant is MILES away from my aluminium plant

[limpid cairn]

I just realised fandom is so outdated that it’s still has the old hard drive model
(Unsure if there is an old one but it clearly has a different one🫠)

[cunning glade]

This leaves me with 510

Aluminum a min

Just using more than I'd like

[white dawn]

I think I mentioned this a day or two ago, but: really, just resign yourself to the fact that you're almost certainly gonna have to Make More Stuff at some point

There's no good way to know how much of anything you're gonna need, so just make whatever feels right, and then when you need more, make more

[cunning glade]

Probs but I think fused frames I wanna make from aluminum

[white dawn]

As for Rocket Fuel in particular, if you're just using it for power, you don't need to package it in the first place

[cunning glade]

I should be fine I just dislike using it for this I think it's dumb I can't use steel or something

[cunning glade]

Doing both

[grim ermine]

ive automated elctromagnetic control rods without realising i dont get them until nuclear power 😔

[cunning glade]

Have a plant that consumes 2500 oil I think

250 of it goes too rocket fuel for drones the rest for power

[grim ermine]

thats a silly number

[cunning glade]

Its what the resource wells gave me actually there's a full node left

[grim ermine]

fair enough

[cunning glade]

2150 for oil

I thought I used all the nodes there but I forgot one so I just didn't use it

[limpid cairn]

Sink the excess material for coupons

[grim ermine]

im already making like 1.5m points perminute

a little more makes little difference

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=zrm6CUuj4nptMXdoI657

I'm gonna oc but I can get those down too 2 blenders right

Drone stuff is gonna be compact after placing what I think almost 200 blenders I wanna make it a small footprint

[languid anvil]

anyone got a factory build planner other than satisfactory tools or modeler?

i wanna be able to plan the actual layout of the production machines and stuff like that

[grim ermine]

pen and paper

[cunning glade]

I dislike modeler

[grim ermine]

whats wrong with modeler :(

[cunning glade]

Like it's cool I just never see the use for it

[languid anvil]

yeah same, satisfactory tools was nice for the early stuff

[cunning glade]

If I'm gonna do something that complex why not just do it in game

I also don't know how it works

[grim ermine]

its easier to plan it out before hand?

[languid anvil]

but now the factories are getting too big and i don't wanna keep dismantling and rebuilding over and over

[cunning glade]

So could be a skill issue but just doesn't seem useful for me

[reef basin]

for that the best planner is the game itself

[limpid cairn]

Do you think the 1.5 million points per minute came in one big go or do you think they came because you started sinking small stuff over and over again?

[cunning glade]

Ye like I'd rather just test it out in game too plan if it works than modeler

[grim ermine]

literally everything i make overflows into a sink

[limpid cairn]

Proving my point kind of no?

[languid anvil]

damn that sucks

[cunning glade]

I have 1.2m parts per min on my 180h save currently

Idk if decent but yummy coupons

[reef basin]

it's actually great - you plan in the same environment, and once you finish planning, you've also finished building

(and most of the time you can just build manifolds and it will work, so you rarely need any advanced plan)

[cunning glade]

We love manifolds

[languid anvil]

when it comes to stuff like the heavy modular frames , the factories are so big im constantly rebuilding it because i can't figure out how much space i need

[cunning glade]

Build bigger then

[languid anvil]

which is getting really annoying and making me wanna stop playing, hence why i wanted something to plan ahead lol

[cunning glade]

I have a factory making I think 16.85 a min

[spare ice]

Is there a quick way to check all learned recipes or do I have to go manually?

[cunning glade]

Always build bigger than u need and cut down later if u can

[cunning glade]

O

[limpid cairn]

Do you over clock stuff?

[cunning glade]

That should show u stuff you've unlocked

[languid anvil]

not always no

[cunning glade]

That's what I'm doing with my drone plant cuz fuck placing more blenders

[spare ice]

Yeah but I mean do I Have to click at each item to see the recipes ive learned? 😄

[reef basin]

start from the nodes and just expand. You also have verticality, it's very hard or even impossible to run out of space

[limpid cairn]

Use the mechanic if space runs out / use it on big buildings

[cunning glade]

Running out of space is just something u make up

U always have space

Even when I would build on one floor I didn't run out of space

[limpid gyro]

does anyone know if there is a fix for the issue with conveyor lift spines always facing the same direction when placed on floor holes?

[languid anvil]

Idk what im doing half the time, and now im forcing myself to make things look nice which is causing this little space hurdle

[cunning glade]

I like that my glasses got up and walked away last night

I wanna play the dang game

[willow storm]

does anyone know if different tier belts coming out of a splitter can cause clogging?

my manifold has this slight backup and i just can't understand why

[bronze atlas]

what do you mean by backup, do you mean stuff sitting on the lines?

or do you mean machines not having enough mats to run because they arent getting things fast enough?

[willow storm]

yeah stuff sitting on the lines mainly

[bronze atlas]

thats not a problem. Manifolds work better when they are saturated.

if a manifold is running with no product then the machines further along the line are going to end up starved

[willow storm]

i know but the input should be equal to the amount needed

so stuff sitting on the main line is a problem because it means something isn't getting what it needs

[bronze atlas]

yes true, but if the manifold is empty then the last machine in the manifold is going to get material extremely slowly compared to all the machines before it

[cunning glade]

I have too route more nitro gas here bruh

[bronze atlas]

manifolds need to be saturated for the machines to reliably supply materials immediately when machines need it, thats why its reccomended to pre-fill machines using a manifold

[willow storm]

yeah but the problem is stuff backing up after the manifold is saturated

[bronze atlas]

well in that case i would first confirm that nothing is backing up the machines themselves

is anything slowing down the machine outputs?

i usually see mainline supply backups when the machines being supplied are not able to fully unload their products

[willow storm]

i feel like it might be a problem of a similar backup further on in the line

which prevents them from emptying, yes

[bronze atlas]

yeah probably can be fixed with a sink if you want to easiest solution

[willow storm]

I'd rather avoid wasting resources so i might just try upgrading the belts to the next tier

[bronze atlas]

resources are infinite in this game, they cant be wasted except by using them for an item you don't actually need that prevents making an item you do need

[hushed stirrup]

hey i've got about a 1000 MW difference between my max consumption and my actual consumption. my max power right now is around 15000MW. I went through my world and tried to make sure all my factories are ratio'd but the difference is still there. any ideas on why they're so different?

[reef basin]

well, you're not wasting anything, resources are infinite

[willow storm]

yeah fair enough

[bronze atlas]

usually means some factories are not running at 100% due to backups

[hushed stirrup]

thats what i was thinking but i went and fixed all the backups and its still like that

[bronze atlas]

maybe you missed a factory accidentally? cant really be positive without looking at your factory in depth

[willow storm]

are you sure it might not be the hover pack or something like that? haven't gotten there yet but i heard it's a common confusion

[hushed stirrup]

no i dont have that yet either lol

[willow storm]

oh

[bronze atlas]

honestly i dont think its a huge problem personaly. my max consumption and current are about 20k apart from each other and i know it means a lot of stuff isnt running 100% but i don't think its causing me any major problems.

[heady creek]

hey everyone, i hate trains and dont understand them well enough to troubleshoot. can someone help me out? ive got a single loop train with one station atm for testing, and it is stuck docking forever. does it need a second station to function?

[bronze atlas]

yes

wheres it going to go without a destination? need a point a and point b to make a train schedule

[heady creek]

fair, i was having issues with the tracks of multiple lines being too close and counting as a single block and was trying to solve that before setting up full lines

[bronze atlas]

i think its been stated that train rails should be at least 8m apart to avoid that

my lines are 3 foundations wide with rails on the outer 2 and i havent noticed that issue.

[heady creek]

i was definitely pushing the my luck lol, i was building them right next to eachother, not knowing that was a thing, i now have them each set up centered on a foundation, so each foundation gets one track. seems to work so far

[bronze atlas]

yeah i think that works, foundations are 8m wide so centered on each is 8m apart technically

i put a 3rd foundation in the middle to make sure it was 8m separated from the edges

[shy mulch]

It bugs me when people say resources are infinite. They are infinite over an infinite amount of time. But that's an irrelevant measure. Pretty much everything is measured in 'per minute', and resources per minute are not infinite

[bronze atlas]

the argument is meant to combat the opinion that sinking things is wasteful. its not wasteful because you can always make it again you will never run out of the resources needed to make it in the first place.

[unkempt blade]

doing stuff with them has an opportunity cost at that moment but like you said over time you can get infinitely more

[leaden turret]

rate-limited infinite resource

[shy mulch]

that works 🙂

[placid stirrup]

"Inexhaustible" is what you're looking for

[shy mulch]

Ooh I like that one!

[placid stirrup]

New theory: ||the pioneer is simply the schizophrenic niece or nephew of an extremely rich or influential person, and are sent to the planet a la Shutter Island. Resources are inexhaustible due to the family member constantly resupplying the planet from the inside||

[leaden turret]

pioneer is canonically female

[hushed stirrup]

does the interactive map not work anymore? i put in my save and its telling me there's resource nodes where there are none and I have resource nodes in my game that dont show up on the interactive map

[willow storm]

||the truman show except you're watching someone do math and pull their hair out||

[hard ivy]

when was the last time you played?

[hushed stirrup]

started my world when 1.0 came out but i've been playing consistantly and the game is updated to 1.1 now

[hard ivy]

nodes changed in 1.0, but if you started after that then that's not the issue

[hushed stirrup]

thats why im confused lol

[bronze atlas]

are you playing with any mods that modify resource nodes? SCIM seems to work fine for me regarding resource nodes

[mystic oriole]

||new theory, it's a game and you aren't processing resources, you are processing solutions to simple problems. ||

[hushed stirrup]

nah i wont download any mods till i beat vanilla

[bronze atlas]

hmm

are you perhaps looking at nodes on scim that require well pressurizers to harvest from?

thats the only thing i can think of for why it might be different than what you expect.

or is it possible the node you are looking for is actually underground? there are caves with nodes inside them that the map doesnt necessarily inform you is below ground

[sullen gull]

Are you looking for a node that is probably in a cave? (SAM and Uranium)

[bronze atlas]

as for nodes not showing up on the map that you ahve in game, the only thing i can think of is having a node category turned off on the map, like i know its possible to turn off the display of impure nodes for example

[spiral summit]

does this game ever not crash

[unkempt blade]

hardly ever crashes for me, including in EA 😄

[spiral summit]

ah gpu crash dump

of course its because of my gpu

[hushed stirrup]

no i actually noticed it when making turbo fuel. I had 4 oil nodes right next to me above ground that didnt show up in the interactive map. went to look around my map after that to see if it was a fluke and found a few more nodes that dont show up on the interactive map and I looked for a few that do show up on the map that arent there, above or below ground. Its not every node, there are some that show up on the map and in my game but its more often wrong than right now and idk what caused it

[bronze atlas]

yeah i cant explain that then. If its not well pressurizers being the issue.

on my map/game everything has lined up so far

[silver mountain]

why was it decided power lines can go 12.5 tiles and not either 12 or 13

[bronze atlas]

because tiles are 8m and 12.5 is 100m so its a round number for length of cables, would be my guess.

[silver mountain]

tiles are 8 meters? im referring to a basic foundation thats a square

[bronze atlas]

yes

[silver mountain]

i need to teach CSS how to use a ruler

[bronze atlas]

8m square and either 1,2, or 4m tall

[silver mountain]

fair enough reasoning then

[leaden turret]

they're swedish, they know metric.

[silver mountain]

what did i do wrong #screenshots message

nvm i figured it out

i should use my brain before aksing for other brains

[placid stirrup]

When did that happen?! I've heard from CMs there canonically is no gender associated with the pioneer

[reef basin]

practically at release I'd say

[leaden turret]

dunno which CMs you've been speaking to

[leaden turret]

November 26th, 2024 Livestream
Q&A: Is there a reason the Pioneer is female, is there a plan for a male character?
https://youtu.be/Od10aFVuVUc

the Pioneer is female

[placid stirrup]

It's possible I misheard or had my own schizo moment, but I had that understanding from the Jace/Snutt days

[leaden turret]

March 9th, 2019 Livestream
Q&A: What gender is the character model?
https://youtu.be/eoMeAy8w2Fs

it is female

[rustic pier]

Hrm. Does anybody think the alternate recipe for aluminum that just uses scrap is worth using? I might just switch to it lol

[placid stirrup]

We love gaslighting ourselves

[placid stirrup]

Every aluminum alt has pros and cons

[silver mountain]

for me it depends on where im building, if im on the west side of the map with the three bauxite nodes on top of the cliff with closets quartz being 1.3km away i use the pure recipe, but everywhewre else i plug in quartz

[unkempt blade]

they could have made everyone happy by giving you the old switcheroo when you beat the game and get sucked into the mirror universe

then the mirror universe goatee would make a lot more sense

[leaden turret]

could just stick a goatee on the Pioneer

<@&370483737957236737> if FICSIT is space capitalism, is mirror universe FICSIT space socialism?

[vivid jackal]

is a-b b and 456b in the same timeline?

[unkempt blade]

it's already hiding under the helmet after you beat the game but I agree a goatee sticker on the facemask would be really classy

[silver mountain]

everyone gets a pkanets for themself

[vivid jackal]

satisfactory and subanutica

[silver mountain]

subwaterca

[rustic pier]

Ah. Im trying to figure out how to make heatsinks the best way as i need them for plutonium rod construction

[vivid jackal]

abb is satisfactory subna is 456b are they in the same timeline? thats what i ment

[leaden turret]

satisnautica

[vivid jackal]

anyone know the answer?

[silver mountain]

i dont think so

its entirely plausible tho

[tall lantern]

they're made by completely different people so the answer is whatever you want to believe

[silver mountain]

this

[vivid jackal]

OH nvm thought they were by same ppl

[unkempt blade]

they're definitely bother in the same universe as Fraser though

[earnest oak]

anyone know why im not getting anymore dismantling crates?

[hard ivy]

Because you already have one somewhere and everything ends up in there

[earnest oak]

oh...

i have no idea where that crate went tbf

[plucky flower]

I see people fly without ever stopping. Is that like a creative mod or is that vanilla?

Because I dont see any jetpack fuel usage

[earnest oak]

hoverpack?

[plucky flower]

Just both left and right hand holding something weird

[plucky flower]

mmh ill have a look into that

[earnest oak]

upon reaching phase 4 its unlockable basically uses power from power poles and any connected strucutres

[plucky flower]

Tier 7

Jeez. That takes a while

Thanks

[hard ivy]

It's both on your compass and the map. Unless you turned the markers off

[earnest oak]

no i mean i just cant find it even if im standing on top of it

maybe ill look into it somedayu

[hard ivy]

Above or below then

[earnest oak]

probs in a foundation or something

[grim galleon]

Lol i am always getting while flying with the jetpack thrown up like 20 meters in the air when the Autosafe finishes

[smoky nimbus]

THATS the cause of that?

[grim galleon]

I think so

Because it always happens then the lag of the Autosave

[earnest oak]

never happened to me

[grim galleon]

like idk maybe it because of the angle i hit something but it always happens in the lag of the Autosave. maybe The angle i hit something and the Autosave lag combined idk

[cinder ferry]

hi i'm mentally ill so i like doing math what can i do to maximize the amount of math i have to do

[grim galleon]

Math the Angle i need to hit and time the next Autosave hits to replecate that bug

[cinder ferry]

i'm not engineer level ur cooked

[earnest oak]

phase 5 100/min every project part

idk if physically possible but have a crack at it calculat if it is

[grim galleon]

like i am just the builder guy. Like i have traintracks to connect all of the map but no like calculated machines that produce anything else then the building materials

[cunning glade]

Watching a blind playthrough and this man's is making 1gw and max consumption is 2.4gw and he's using 1.2gw his power storage only has about 50 mins left and he says he's gonna kick that can down the road

Cuz he just got the notification one of his storages is draining

Not the worst but should be fun too watch hes going for oil power

But little does he know he needs power for it lol

[hard ivy]

Use balancers for absolutely everything. Figure out what are the optimal recipes for any given scenario by hand

[cinder ferry]

verging on masochistic but hell yeah

[sullen moat]

after killing a hog there was a big explosion and a jetpack dropped?

[hard ivy]

Congratulations, you've found Johnny

[unkempt blade]

You sound like a perfect candidate for the cartifold. It's peak logistical awesomeness/headaches

[cinder ferry]

what that

[hard ivy]

Yeah, the second one might be a little masochistic. But computers can do it in fractions of a second, it can't be that bad to do by hand, right? Right???

[unkempt blade]

it's a manifold using factory carts and truck stations instead of conveyors between blocks of stuff

[cinder ferry]

that's based

[mortal ginkgo]

the only thing you need is just more space as you need truck station for each building. it is doable to be fair

just delete the "Stop" signs that appear when a cart get close to a Station if you dont want it to stop but still pass through

[unkempt blade]

it would have a longer saturation time but it would totally work once saturated 😆

[mortal ginkgo]

have another cart to saturate, momenterily.

now I could say "put stuff in yourself" but no.

we go full Cart yoloswag here

also I am still sad that Carts dont go through natural ground properly

I know they are FACTORY Carts for a reason but I wish I could send stuff to Elevator via them using natural roads

[unkempt blade]

yeah they really want foundations to not spin out every couple of meters

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

This a good plan?

[spare ice]

Hey guys quick question 😄 Im planning something on satis tools, and it says 3x 100% and 1x 80%. Can I just build 3x but overclock them to be 380 in total ? Or does that mess up somehow?

[cinder ferry]

not even close the only possible one is maybe magnetic field generators

[mortal ginkgo]

Yes it works like that as you stated.

Or you can have 4 buildings with one underclocked.

[spare ice]

Thank you! 😄

[mortal ginkgo]

Incase you wanna save on power but exploit the place more

[earnest oak]

pretty sure pasta is possible

[cinder ferry]

116200 copper/min

[earnest oak]

alt recips

[cinder ferry]

i will check

[haughty gorge]

Guys i need help im currently making a Nuclear plant and am wondering how I can get the fuel rods (which im bringing in from a drone) into each plant I have 6 currently and a manifold setup and i would need like a butt tone of them and I dont have that

[mortal ginkgo]

it is better to wait it out so they are well buffered

you cant / shouldnt risk temporal depletions etc

[haughty gorge]

Ok

[mortal ginkgo]

use sloops on rod production for a while if you want it to be faster

take the sloops out if you are happy with the amount etc

[haughty gorge]

Ok

[cinder ferry]

it'd be 50k copper still exceeds

[haughty gorge]

I may try to get plutonium i have a huge resierver of waste but thought it would be a pain to do that but i may look into it

[mortal ginkgo]

plot fuel rod can be sinked and not extremely advanced to make unlike fisconium

even if you want to use plot rods for power, their waste is extremely low compared to uranium waste

[haughty gorge]

really i didnt know that

[mortal ginkgo]

you can have a storage that can last you until Satisfactory 2 - Revenge of the Blood Singers with plut rods if really want to use them for power

[mortal ginkgo]

I may be wrong but plut rod waste is like 1/min. It is truly low compared to uranium one.

[earnest oak]

can turn quartz into copper

[mortal ginkgo]

some people just have storage space for like 10k game time hours lol

[earnest oak]

same thing for sulfur

[mortal ginkgo]

you need quartz for bunch of stuff and they are kinda rare as well

you really really dont need 100/min though. If nothing gonna burn you out, putting refinieries and water systems will. kek

[earnest oak]

nah we just sayingi if its physically possible to make 100/min of phase 5 space parts

im saying it is

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I dont think it is possible. I think Copper and SAM are the big stoppers.

[earnest oak]

48k/min copper

[mortal ginkgo]

are you not making Ballistic Warp Drives?

[earnest oak]

nah thats whats needed for 100 pasta a min

[mortal ginkgo]

phase 5 needs BWD. What am I missing here?

[earnest oak]

so far i got 99.39/min

[earnest oak]

this is all hypothetical

[hard ivy]

Definitely not without sloops

[earnest oak]

it is

[mortal ginkgo]

ok... I guess.

[earnest oak]

using every recource youll have just enough to make 100/min

[hard ivy]

Max for BWDs is 73

Without sloops

With it's 138

And that's just BWDs

[earnest oak]

ya you need to use quite literally all SAM all copper and all sulfur in the world to make 100/min practical most likely not doable yes it is

idk how much energy that would take but ya possible

[mortal ginkgo]

there is some misunderstanding going on between you and the rest of us I think

[earnest oak]

what do you mean

im saying this is all hypothetical not practical

[mortal ginkgo]

if you meant "all parts 100/min possible", it is not possible. We know it.
If you meant "each 100/min only", it is still not possible without slooping.

[earnest oak]

@cinder ferry we have an answer yes its possible

[mortal ginkgo]

[earnest oak]

im just saying 100/min of pasta

like all seperately 😭

obvs not possible to do it all at once

[reef basin]

you can make 4884/min magnetic field generators

[cinder ferry]

someone should do this

[earnest oak]

why are we doing all this maths

[earnest oak]

you

you said tyou like maths

[reef basin]

I did no maths

[cinder ferry]

this would take days i don't care about math THAT much

[mortal ginkgo]

"if its physically possible to make 100/min of phase 5 space parts" "I am saying it is."

You used plural...

[earnest oak]

this aint no english class breh

[mortal ginkgo]

Pasta is not the only part so... but if its gonna make you feel better, yes, you can make 100 pasta.

[earnest oak]

i already said that 😭

[earnest oak]

i mean you could also interpret that of individual parts

[mortal ginkgo]

breh, you know enough English to know between "parts" and "part" 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

and you would be wrong on that.

but enjoy 100/min pasta I guess.

[earnest oak]

buddy this aint english 101

[viscid bobcat]

what is the item limit?

like I can't build past a certain threshhold?

[mortal ginkgo]

not enough resources or CPU power.

[earnest oak]

i literally proposed a hypothetical question it really cannot be that deep

[viscid bobcat]

so I can't make the whole map a factory?

[reef basin]

at some point you'll run either out of FPS, or out of resources

[earnest oak]

This "limit" can be increased at the risk of Game Save corruption, but there have been reports of many players doing so and not having any issues (but the risk remains), so frequent manual saves and backups is strongly recommended.

just quickly did a reddit search

[viscid bobcat]

I wanna make my factory look like a forge hiveworld

or like that one gmod main menu background where the trains running through

[white dawn]

I assume you're referring to the "UObject Limit" -- there's an internal Unreal Engine thing called a UObject. Not everything's a UObject (like foundations are not), but a lot of things are, and there's a limit to how many the engine will support. (They're used for things like rendering the menus, too; it's not just in-game objects. And a single building in Satisfactory might take multiple UObjects to implement). You've gotta build quite big before you're in danger of hitting it, but some folks do end up running into it. As mentioned, the limit can be raised via tweaks to the game's INI files.

[earnest oak]

No changes as it is the engine, not the game. The warnings are basically that IF things go wrong, there is no support. So do at your own risk. That said, I have it set to 10 000 000 and some minor crashes, which might or might not have been due to that.
more reddit searches

[mortal ginkgo]

as like the 99.99% of the population who wanted to do that, things that you may encounter:

1- Low FPS
2- CPU not being strong enough
3- Sometimes Crashes (even if you dont increase object limit)
4- Boredom
5- Repitition of doing the same thing over and over
6- Your mom
7- Satisfactory 2 - Revenge of the Blood Singers will be released by the time you get to 10% of your project.
8- Hi.

and so forth.

[viscid bobcat]

I want to make a factory that is so large and intricate that you can only move through catwalks and its a bottomless pit of machinery below you

[mortal ginkgo]

I may suggest simply not going for it and simply imagine it while in bed at night before sleep.

[earnest oak]

ya i agree physically not possible no pc can handle that exept maybe if its ran on an nvidia server somehow

[viscid bobcat]

not that large

[earnest oak]

UNLIKE MY 100 PASTA/MIN

[rigid glen]

I wonder if it's possible on dysonshere or factorio

[viscid bobcat]

I mean like 100 by 100 foundation

tall

[earnest oak]

thats small icl

[mortal ginkgo]

it is with mods but even then the repitition is crazy

its just... not worth your time

[viscid bobcat]

500 by 500 and you move through catwalks through machinery

[mortal ginkgo]

At some point VU upgrade will be meaningless as you will already be at extreme speed of mining with %0.000000000000000000000001 usage of a resource.

Vessel Speed takes so much research jello at late stages that you will be seeing not much difference going on as you will only be waiting much longer than it is fun to pave one more planet.

[rigid glen]

finite resources also makes the effort not worth it

[mortal ginkgo]

At VU 100+, resources are not finite, technically. You just cant deplete them.

If you are interested, there is a reddit guy who put Dyson Sphere x10 on each star possible with largest spheres possible 3 years ago. Save was 8GB.

The amount of time to load that save: Yes

280G memory alloc of DSP process needed as well

[unkempt blade]

so just normal desktop stuff, let's dyson all the spheres!

[mortal ginkgo]

DSP lacks carts smh

[haughty gorge]

its .1 per minute

[mortal ginkgo]

holy

[haughty gorge]

lasts for 600 seconds in nuclear power plant

which is 10 minutes

[mortal ginkgo]

no need for fisco, kek

[haughty gorge]

compared to 5 of uranium

[cosmic pawn]

i fully moved all my items to the rocky desert to make a bigger base but idk how or where to start since i not a architect

like how can i put put mines or production stuff in a nice looking building

[thick oak]

If you have a backlog of items to build with, you should look up ways to make miner cases. Little building that's hold mining drills are a nice way to get something small done and push you off to start.

[cosmic pawn]

i have stuff up to like steel stuff

but idk how to start making it since i don't got any of the fancy building parts

[thick oak]

Do you have dna stuff to sink?

[cosmic pawn]

no

i never figured out how to get that started

[thick oak]

Would you like a hand?

[cosmic pawn]

would appreciate it since i feel lost

[reef basin]

honestly, make functional first, then focus on making it good (if you want to)

[cosmic pawn]

but i want it to look good and not a mess

but i don't just want to copy someones stuff 1:1

or how to make it look good with all the conveyors everywhere

i could try to get a lot of stuff from the shop but getting coupons takes a while

without dna

but if i grab everything i could make something work

just gonna be a while

idk what stuff gives a lot of points

[placid stirrup]

It's honestly pretty straightforward... Plan/map out your manifold lines and use straight mode

[lone marten]

Also practice

[cosmic pawn]

i guess

[placid stirrup]

But yeah if you have to make steel to progress, go for a steel plant 🙂

[cosmic pawn]

well i'd have to rebuild mine

[cosmic pawn]

is there a button to only have it be straight or do you mean by mainly straightening it

[dense violet]

look under your build cursor when building items - there's different modes available to you

[cosmic pawn]

i saw simple mode i think that was it was

but i hit m3 but i did nothing so i forgot about it

[dense violet]

simple mode is basic mode.

tap r to change modes

[cosmic pawn]

ah

[reef basin]

build new, don't rebuild 🙂

[charred sandal]

Can you purify nodes?

[dense violet]

but node purity basically doesn't matter for 95% of the time you're going up the tiers anyway.

you'll be limited by your belt speed

[charred sandal]

Im at T4 now and trying to figure out trains....but the majority of the nodes ive found are impure.

idk. feels bad. but i figured you couldnt

[dense violet]

the vast majority of nodes aren't impure.
it also doesn't make a difference? they're just numbers. Plan factories in locations based on what is avaiable.

Purity basically doesn't matter

[charred sandal]

Fun conversation.

[candid torrent]

mk3 miners put in crazy work on pure nodes though :(

i love my 1200 coal a minute (my factory needed 45)

[dense violet]

only if you get to mk6 belts

otherwise pure nodes don't put out much more than normal

[candid torrent]

from the greedy minmax rat perspective i would replan my entire factory around the extra 180 ore

[peak wasp]

Isn't 1200 pointless how much is a mk6 belt

[candid torrent]

1200

[peak wasp]

Ah so maxes it out

[dense violet]

you essentially have infinite resources where ever you need, you can always import more and you can never fully process everything on teh map

[candid torrent]

once u have cool big logistics yeah it doesn’t matter much

rock is rock

[dense violet]

you get trains very early on

[peak wasp]

That sounds like a challenge

[dense violet]

please, set your computer on fire. I'll be entertained

[peak wasp]

I will process everything

[dense violet]

to an end point.

no sinking ore into sinks

[charred sandal]

Yeah, I mean. Currently, for me, my belts are 480 and my miners put out 120 base.
and 80% of the nodes ive found near base are impure

But I guess purity doesnt matter for me becuse some guy on discord said so

[candid torrent]

does a 1 step process underclocked on every ore count

[dense violet]

overclock your miners

also, they are still just numbers
if an area has an available 1000 ore pm with your tech, then it has 1000 or in the area

[charred sandal]

I am taking my time to explain to someone on discord that 120*2.5 is < 480 and i dont know why

[dense violet]

either find another area or manage with it

[candid torrent]

somersloop ur power slugs and power shards will bless u with prosperity

[charred sandal]

thanks for the answers. Just wanted to know if it was possible to purify somehow

[dense violet]

and? unless someone is planning on murdering you for un full belts that's still not an argument

[candid torrent]

i’m planning that fill your belt up

[charred sandal]

Not sure why you thought this had to be an argument in the first place.

But its probably the same reason you started shoving paragraphs of opinions down my throat when I asked a simple Y/N question.

[zenith fractal]

trains

trains

trains

[candid torrent]

trian

[peak wasp]

So I'm curious of something

Are leeched recipes worth it?

Seems to be a upgraded version of pure

[cunning glade]

Meh

Imo no but if u have the sulfur too spare it's good

For large amounts of ingots pure is still better

Atleast when I plug into tools it tells me too use pure instead of it

[peak wasp]

I am hanging out in blue crater plenty of sulfur here

[cunning glade]

Also plenty of sulfur for rocket fuel down the line

[cunning glade]

But there's also a lot of water

I mean if u wanna use it go ahead me personally I'm just gonna stick with pure for the most part

[peak wasp]

indeed lots of everything

[cunning glade]

Its a good spot for rocket fuel with so much oil there

So I'd rec the sulfur goes too that and then use the water for pure

That's just what I would do that also depends on if u need power

But that's where I built my first power plant which was just standard fuel

May eventually make it plastic or rubber as the 30gw it gives compared too the roughly 300gw rocketfuel plant it kinda isn't needed

[charred sandal]

What do you guys do with excess polymer resin

[cunning glade]

Sink or turn into plastic

[dense violet]

like all recipes, depends on you. If you have sulfur nearby you dont need? why not

[cunning glade]

I do both

[candid torrent]

i try to use any poly resin i come into posession of to make plastic containers

[charred sandal]

oh yeah that sink thing

lmao

[dense violet]

or zero sulfur for rocket fuel

[candid torrent]

i try to always set up a refinery making fabric out of it too

[cunning glade]

Fair

My factory makes both normal turbo fuel and alt turbofuel

[candid torrent]

i need to make a rocket fuel plant but i am absolutely NOT setting up a rocket fuel power plant

if i have the patience to put down 4 bazillion fuel gens then kill me

[cunning glade]

#screenshots message this is mine

[dense violet]

then don't? nuclear is great and simple

[cunning glade]

Just oc the gens

[candid torrent]

nuclear pasta :(

[dense violet]

nuclear gens have nothing to do with nuclear pasta 😛

[cunning glade]

I can't wait too be done with this plant too start with making progress again

Don't have a single phase 4 part automated yet

[candid torrent]

i have to do with nuclear pasta

[alpine lava]

hello im using the blueprint maker and the box is in the way is there a way to delete it

[dense violet]

box?

what box?

[shy fog]

bigger blueprint maker machine

[dense violet]

wait, do you mean deleting the blueprint machine?

xD

[shy fog]

the box is merely the borders you can use

he's probably asking to just ignore them

[dense violet]

amazing.

[peak wasp]

Right now I'm working on what I'd expect to be 35,556.25mw

Plus power boost bonus

[sick falcon]

is there any way to flatten out the land/remove large trees and stone towers

[dense violet]

use foundations to create a flat space. Most trees can be blown up

[candid torrent]

nobelisks can remove a lot of trees n towers

[neon trellis]

How do you have the "new" marker if you've been here since 2021!? Left and rejoined?

[outer scarab]

Just pave over it

[candid torrent]

all shall perish under the 9 belt stack monstrosity

[turbid merlin]

Hahaha. Yes. Left and rejoined

[peak wasp]

you guys wanna see my stupid method of feeding machines?

[neon trellis]

Sure.

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[neon trellis]

are those just mk3 belts clipped through the mk5s?

[peak wasp]

no

[grizzled bridge]

First time playing satisfactory got phase one complete, needing to wait for phase 2 to complete

automated everything and my friend said it looked ugly orginized

[dense violet]

that's normal

[grizzled bridge]

17 hrs and it is the waiting game basically other than me needing to get a new metal

[peak wasp]

that's just splitters and mk 5 belts and they are designed to put in about 533 sulfur and 533 coal into the machines

[dense violet]

this isn't an idle game. Go exploring and collect items, hard drives, scout out new factory locations.
or build more factory so you don't have to wait

[peak wasp]

okay and I think I have figured it all out

I hope my new design doesn't piss you guys all off

[dense violet]

that's certainly a trollish comment

[peak wasp]

I am always worried my designs are cringe and won't work well

[peak wasp]

how is that trollish...because it feel like I get something done then find a better way to do it later

then I rip it all down and then start again

[thick surge]

I've accidentally placed a conveyor under the ground and now I can't get rid of it to upgrade, is there a way to delete things under the map?

[peak wasp]

because this is the dumb thing I am currently doing

[dense violet]

putting something out and saying you hope it doesn't piss people off? just comes off like you're putting it there for that effect
make a giant goat out of beams if you like. Do what's fun

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[peak wasp]

I always thought in games where efficiency is the goal if you aren't being optimal you'd piss the community off

[dense violet]

there's no single optimal path in this game, or goal for that matter

your goal could, for example, make giant beam goats

and honestly that's the best part.
same reason why there's no 'best' recipe

[peak wasp]

well okay...mind if I ask your opinion on my turbo fuel setup?

[dense violet]

sure?

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

I'd be worried about flow issues

both from the fluid buffers and that your inputs don't seem to be looped manifolds

[peak wasp]

I have two belts and two sets of pipes...the only issue I see is near the end and that needing about 711 heavy fuel residue

[dense violet]

I'd make 2 groups of HOR consumers

using 711/2 HOR each for simplicity.

unless there's extra design constraints that would make having asymmetric sections better for you

[peak wasp]

hmmmm I mean it's mostly the fact I am used to using straight lines in my builds so far

[dense violet]

well can't really see how everything is set up. But definitely make it into 2 systems.

and get rid of hte fluid buffers

[peak wasp]

then there is the fact I have no idea how I am supposed to transfer about

[dense violet]

transfer what about?

[peak wasp]

2133m3 turbo fuel

[vestal hill]

What’s wrong with fluid buffers?

[dense violet]

at best they do nothing, at worst they cause flow issues

[peak wasp]

that would have to be four groups of different pipes

[dense violet]

best to just not have them to avoid potential issues

[dense violet]

I'd probably break it down further tbh

the lower the flow rate in a pipe the more leeway you have in having less than perfect piping

[vestal hill]

I see

[peak wasp]

then there is the issues of trying to figure out another massive issue I am probably gonna have

[dense violet]

the only real place they're needed are train stations, where you require buffers on either end.
otherwise there's always better solutions than buffers

[dense violet]

which is ?

[peak wasp]

about that....

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

that's like 200m, just pipe it across

[peak wasp]

this power system is held together with duct tape xD

[cunning glade]

so far making like 330gw

but the heavy oil is causing issues

[peak wasp]

I did that math wrong

[cunning glade]

either need too just wait it out

[peak wasp]

71,112 MW

[peak wasp]

making enough aluminom to belt all the resources in

[cunning glade]

Does heavy oil not work like water

Have one hor ref per 1 pet coke refinery and it isn't enough

[signal shale]

uh, what do you mean?

[cunning glade]

Idk bandaids fixed it I just hate fluids

[signal shale]

I know the general advice is to let fluid pipes fill completely before you turn on the next step in the proceess, whether that's generators or further processing

[cunning glade]

They were full

Had all my hor back up well I was making everything

I valued downstream cuz it was I think sending too much down idk why and then just slooped 2 refs and that has fixed it

I'm too lazy too get it too work properly

[cosmic pawn]

since i know i have the blueprint tool upgrade. what are peoples opinions on using a second save to make base designs than placing them piece by piece to another save? is it a bad thing to do or is it fine

[signal shale]

I mean, that's unconventional, aree you looking to do a speed run or something?

[cosmic pawn]

no i just want nice looking factories

if it's a bit skeptical with the community then i wont do it

just wanted to ask before i did it

[signal shale]

I don't see any issue with it, I was just puzzled why you're doing it on a separate save is all

[zenith fractal]

I mean

a bit inefficient, as someone else said. seems like extra steps

[cosmic pawn]

true

[zenith fractal]

to do it in another save file

[cosmic pawn]

just wanted to ask

[mossy veldt]

any dedi server owners on here toninght

[cosmic pawn]

idk why i even thought it was be a good idea in the first place

[dense violet]

shouldn't be a huge issue

[signal shale]

I mean, it's not the worst idea if you are somehow able to play at work and want to takee blueprints home

[dense violet]

you keep making messy fluids, it's to be expected

[dense violet]

not sure what you mean, just making BPs in another save and port them over?