satisfactory

[mortal ginkgo]

this brotherman literally plays a sandbox chill game in hardmode

[cosmic adder]

need power, im runnin out of leafs

[violet brook]

Make compressed biofuel

[reef basin]

process leaves to better fuel

[cosmic adder]

okay

[mortal ginkgo]

thats why you go for wood

and process them to biomass, then to solid biofuel

[cosmic adder]

i need chainsaw for it?

[mortal ginkgo]

later on farm animals for biomass in huge amounts

[violet brook]

You need the chainsaw to cut down trees.

[cosmic adder]

gocha

[violet brook]

Some branches can be picked up for wood but they don’t consistently spawn

[glossy umbra]

i hate satisfactory pipe system ong 💔

[mortal ginkgo]

Real 100% alpha male gamers cut the trees by simply staring at them with sheer amount of dominating will.

[unkempt blade]

that's impossible, they're the best part of the game besides factory carts

[cosmic adder]

do trees regorw and bushes? Cuz if no ama start going so far

[mortal ginkgo]

lil bro coping so much that helipCOPters are free for him to use lol yes

[silk ocean]

BROTHERMAN. You're so out there you're in space dude

[violet brook]

No, but there’s a stupid amount of them for you to use before you get to coal

[glossy umbra]

bro 😭 if this is not a joke then what, these dumb pipes are still backflowing and i cant run my 90000mw power plant properly 💀

[cosmic adder]

coal ya say

[violet brook]

Are conveyor belts in this game treated like conveyor belts in create?

[mortal ginkgo]

#design-and-architecture message

Care to read. TLDR: My issues got simply fixed by NOT using vertical junctions and feeding a pipe manifold from each side.

[unkempt blade]

that's just good liquid physics, it's why it's the second best feature

[reef basin]

depends - what do you mean by that?

[violet brook]

New players love them, intermediates hate them because other mechanics are more optimal, experts still use conveyors because they look cool.

[glossy umbra]

ohhh thats the problem here... vertical junctions ...

[violet brook]

Unless pipes are cooler than conveyors.

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a long read in one reddit post where a vertical junction acts weird depending on the VERTICAL ROTATION.

I was like, "bro you know what, we ain't verticaling."

[glossy umbra]

ik priority

[reef basin]

there's nothing like "more optimal" in Satisfactory

you practically always need at least a bit of belt, so you can't get rid of them
and anything else is an option for you to consider, whether you like it or not

[unkempt blade]

in order from most to least cool it goes

1. vehicles
2. handfeeding machine
3. pipes
4. conveyors

[glossy umbra]

i saw it but i have ignored it cuz i thought its gonna be fine 🤓 i was wrong 😭

[violet brook]

So pipes aren’t better than conveyors, they just serve different functions

[mortal ginkgo]

no thats not even that, it is simply a bugged behaviour. the priority isn't same with a certain rotation of the pipe itself. So I was like, nah bro. I had it enough.

[cursive phoenix]

Just place 1 million pumps

[glossy umbra]

why dont they just fix it somehow 💔

[cursive phoenix]

My soluition

[glossy umbra]

thats not a fix, i want my stuff pretty

[unkempt blade]

because it's not broken you just don't understand how it works yet

[reef basin]

same as in create - pipes carry fluids, belts carry solids

[mortal ginkgo]

Deep Lore: People really complained about it all for years and latest CSS comment was that "it is too late to change it".

Aka it is "it is working as much as it can be at this state."

[glossy umbra]

bro i have like 750 hours i should be able to understand but its just so annyoing 😭

[cursive phoenix]

I build like 90 fuel gens. Surely i have enough power now.....

[glossy umbra]

im not redoing this shit its waste of time fr 💀

[cursive phoenix]

I js rebuild my whole power plant cus i dindt like the way it looked😭

[glossy umbra]

nahhhh 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

"Good. Now you go tell that to 90% of the community and reddit posts about where someone says exact X works for them while the other says exact X does not exactly work for them but Y works but then someone says Y doesn't work but Z SURELY WORKS YOU STUPID PEOPLE YOU GOT SKILL ISSUES and someone else says Z didn't work but X works and they don't know why and the infinite loop begins."

Proudly quoting myself about the whole fluid system from a discussion prior.

[glossy umbra]

dude but why does these vertical junctions work for my gens is it like random when it works and when it doesnt ?

[reef basin]

depends on their orientation

[glossy umbra]

im so confused of this

[reef basin]

and it's not even "will work" vs "won't work", it's about wrongly calculated height/priority

whether or not that affects your system depends on the system itself

[mortal ginkgo]

do you want to know something better?

There is another guy who is unable to properly feed 1 OWed Nuclear Plant that asks for 600/min water, despite the fact that water extractors are literally near it.

Want to know something funnier? His setup is blueprinted, and it works for SOME nuclear plants but some simply gets water starved after a few hours.

There is literally no reason why it shouldn't work but here we are.

[reef basin]

but if you want to be safe, just don't do vertical junctions until they get fixed

[glossy umbra]

did i ask ? i dont think so... your kinda pissing me off cuz your not even helpfull just humiliating people 💀 not everyone is the smartest i dont even want to imagine someone new here with 50hours ingame asking for help and then being humiliating by you 🤡

[mortal ginkgo]

what..?

[cursive phoenix]

I mean i did get 10000 more power

[mortal ginkgo]

I was just telling you that another guy had an issue too to prove that system is wonky...

[cursive phoenix]

Btw, what do you need more of: plastic or rubber?

[glossy umbra]

bro 🙏 idc about someone else's problem atm im trying to fix my problems first

[mortal ginkgo]

ok you go do that "bro"

[hard ivy]

depends on the recipes you use for the items that use them

[reef basin]

depends on your playstyle, just make small amount of both for personal use and don't try to guess the future

[mortal ginkgo]

also I dont have 50 hours lol.

[glossy umbra]

i said i dont want to imagine SOMEONE NEW HERE WITH 50 HOURS

i wasnt saying that you've got 50 hours 💀

[mortal ginkgo]

ok you are unhinged, stopping there, enjoy your annoyance lol

[unkempt blade]

you should take a break and build a factory cart skate park, it's way more mellow

[reef basin]

get used to it 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

Carts are overrated.

[unkempt blade]

blasphemer! carts are the one true answer to all problems

[mortal ginkgo]

why cant they carry fluid then?

[silk ocean]

You are so powergrid BROTHERMAN that fishes launch out of the ocean just to see your Fuel Powergen

[unkempt blade]

they can if you package it, they're the best fluid transport solution 😄

[hard ivy]

or just block them

[mortal ginkgo]

.... You are not wrong.

[glossy umbra]

i had break for 2-3 months and finally decided i would continue in my power plant so i dont need a break tbh its just i dont want to destroy the factory

[mortal ginkgo]

Also they make cute decorations

[unkempt blade]

definitely don't destroy it, just build a skatepark next to it when pipes feel like too much 😄

[glossy umbra]

my plans are right even the steps of building but these junctions are the problem 😭 wont buffer work ? :d

[cursive phoenix]

I have a few items that use alternate recipes with plastic

[unkempt blade]

Buffer will probably make things worse. Are you feeding a long line of something from the same pipe source?

[glossy umbra]

lemme send pic

[cursive phoenix]

I have 1200 residue from making fuel

[glossy umbra]

dang it i cant send pics here

ima send it in screenshots

[unkempt blade]

my normal pipe advice is loop one end of the row back to the other end and it fixes most pipe issues

[shy mulch]

per minute?

[reef basin]

keep it until you know what you want from it

[glossy umbra]

tried that but its too long (the row)

[shy mulch]

there's no limit to how long pipes can be

[cursive phoenix]

Yes

[shy mulch]

then sink it until you know what you want/need from it

free coupons, what's not to love

[glossy umbra]

check #screenshots

[unkempt blade]

this sounds like a sink goes brrrrrr situation

[cursive phoenix]

I am sinking it rn. Already made like 30 tickets of of it

Free money

[prime rampart]

finally done with my 0.8 control rod per mino

#screenshots

[mortal ginkgo]

Madness!

[shy mulch]

at some point soon you'll need some rubber or plastic or something, to be used elsewhere, then the question will answer itself

[prime rampart]

it took SO MUCH TIME

[cursive phoenix]

Those belts👀

[unkempt blade]

yeah I'd definitely try the loops, you might need to build multiple pipe segments with how long that row is

[mortal ginkgo]

late game items do be like that sometimes

[prime rampart]

Lmao

oh em gee first control rod

[glossy umbra]

yeaaaaa the funny part here is, purple pipe is residue and the orange one is fuel but somehow i dont have enought residue but fuel is just fine everything is full with fuel :d

[nocturne condor]

sigh the best coal nodes for me to use will require a lot more work than I would like. I guess i dont have much of a choice

[cursive phoenix]

Idk what control rods are

[cursive phoenix]

Real

[prime rampart]

now i run into my first problem

[white dawn]

I'd recommend a thread in #1038092680493801533 if you mean the pipe stuff you posted in #screenshots. Much nicer to be able to inline images in a thread over there

(And far less chance of the question/conversation getting buried)

[nocturne condor]

OH MY GOSH WAIT A MINUTE! IM AN IDIOT! I have coal nodes right besides my base that are only using mk1 miners! i didnt even realize

[warm osprey]

Hey guys, quick question. I need one more achievement in the game for 100%, which is for someone to run me over with a vehicle. Can I join somebody's game? DM me.

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you can get that yourself, just put the vehicle on AI mode and give it a path

[warm osprey]

Oh, thanks.

[prime rampart]

ty

[warm osprey]

I never used that system, because it seemed inconvenient.

[vestal hill]

Yep that’s how I got that achievement

[white dawn]

It takes some getting used to, for sure, but vehicles are a lovely logistics method which can be quite fun to set up

I recommend giving it a try on your next playthrough

[mortal ginkgo]

it is heck as best but makes your world more dynamic. I love those lil buggers going around

[vestal hill]

Yeah I find them fun

[split cosmos]

can i mainfiold mk1 pipes with 8 coal generators?

[vestal hill]

In fact I just hooked up a little belt system from my wire factory to my main base, imma switch that to vehicles next time I’m on

[white dawn]

(Obviously once you unlock trains+drones, the opportunities for setting up more vehicle routes become rather restricted, but for Phase 2 they're ideal)

[unkempt blade]

yes, but loop the manifold or feed it water from both ends

[mortal ginkgo]

I remember thinking that "Truck Station putting box inside" was like "oh I guess thats one stack of item? Cool." only to see that it is extremely fast on loading and unloading lol.

[split cosmos]

gotcha

[mortal ginkgo]

I was like "ok we are getting trucks EVERYWHERE."

[split cosmos]

otherwise it wont work?

[vestal hill]

YEP their unload/reload speed is MEGA

[unkempt blade]

with how liquids work in this game you might see sloshing issues without it

[mortal ginkgo]

I think Trucks are abit too CHUNGUS for their own good

[vestal hill]

That’s the best part

[warm osprey]

I just use the drones.

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah but they ain't good at rotating etc as they are claimed. Like how Explorers are worst way to explore around, but I just drama

[unkempt blade]

yeah carts are way more efficient in terms of vehicle volume:inventory space

[vestal hill]

disAGREE

[warm osprey]

I quite like the explorer.

[vestal hill]

Cannot wait to re-obtain it

[mortal ginkgo]

Mods. This is enough madness. GET HIM!

[mortal ginkgo]

I like it too. Wish it made exploring easier aside from mobs not attacking kek

[vestal hill]

It does though

[cursive phoenix]

More pumps worked for me

[tawdry charm]

I just made my first factory

it was a copper and cables, i use lifts to transport them down(mk1) and one who transports wires is always full and the second who transports cables is half full

[vestal hill]

Neat! What’s it producing?

[vestal hill]

Cool!

[cursive phoenix]

Show

[tawdry charm]

I cant add photos somehow

[vestal hill]

#screenshots

[tawdry charm]

alr

[nocturne condor]

is there anyway to change foudnation without removing it all and replacing it? as i want to change the s tyle of some foundation i have placed

[tawdry charm]

posted it :)

[vestal hill]

Oh cool

[vestal hill]

There’s def a way, maybe try using a different swatch/build material?

[nocturne condor]

found it. press X, customizer

[white dawn]

Use the customizer -- x is the hotkey, I believe, but you can also just access it from a tab on your build menu

[vestal hill]

Neat

[tawdry charm]

Also i added the factory image too

[unkempt blade]

it'd feel more useful if I didn't have the depot + can already make a workbench anywhere I want to. The speed doesn't feel worth giving up the jetpack convenience

[vestal hill]

That photo fills me with so much nostalgia

[glossy umbra]

DUDE I THINK IVE FIXED IT

[tawdry charm]

You made that too?

[glossy umbra]

i had 2 buffers at the start where residue is made, and i think that was the problem ...

[vestal hill]

I think my first wire/cable factory was 90* to the left on that same node

I’ll check tomorrow

[warm osprey]

Thanks for the help, I got the game 100% now.

[tawdry charm]

My power went down 😭😭😭😭 My biomass burners ran out of fuel

[versed mesa]

When are they going to add Automated flush fluid from storage barrels lol

[vestal hill]

get chopping

[tawdry charm]

I dont have a chainsaw XD

[white dawn]

Never! That's a problem they intend for users to have to solve via other means. :)

[tawdry charm]

i need to unlock it :(

[vestal hill]

get foraging

[tawdry charm]

i will

[vestal hill]

Btw, if you need any early game help feel free to dm me

[versed mesa]

Lmao I dont mind keep going yo check on it but wish there was Auto plush lol

[vestal hill]

I’ll respond whenever I’m free

[cunning siren]

Hold down E key for "automated leaf grab" as you explore

[tawdry charm]

Nah im ok, i have watched a full playtrough of it :)

[tawdry charm]

Thx

[vestal hill]

Oh alright

[vestal hill]

THATS A THING?

[versed mesa]

@tawdry charm you must be a new player

[vestal hill]

150 hours in and I’ve had an auto clicker do it for me the entire time..

[tawdry charm]

YEah

[white dawn]

The "best" way to deal with it is to avoid putting it in buffers altogether. It's basically a test of making sure that your math is right on your fluid handling. If you process all your "waste" fluids properly, you won't have any problems with 'em

[tawdry charm]

Just bought it

[versed mesa]

Awesome hope you enjoy the game

[cunning siren]

There is also a bug that sometimes happens that will hold down the E key FOR YOU! If you mouse over a leaf and quickly hit E + TAB it may hold down the E key 😆

[vestal hill]

^^

[vestal hill]

Ooh cool

[tawdry charm]

Im not, i cant get off the game...

[white dawn]

In general, if you're sending your fluids into a buffer (and that buffer isn't being used as part of a fluid frieight platform for trains) then there's a better way to handle your fluids. :)

[vestal hill]

Yeah get ready to be consumed by the factory

[versed mesa]

Then what am I suppose todo with heady oil fluid then lol

[hard ivy]

use it?

[white dawn]

If you've just unlocked oil right now, the easiest is to convert it to Petroleum Coke, and then either sink the coke or send it to some coal-powered generators for a bit of extra power

[versed mesa]

I dont need to use it

[white dawn]

(using vanilla recipes, sending the coke to coalgens will make your early oil-processing factories net-power-positive, even!)

[unkempt blade]

you do if you don't want it clogging up your factory 🙂

[somber sigil]

why does nuclear pasta says between 500-1500 w but actually consumes up to 6000 without power shard

[white dawn]

Once you have fuel gens unlocked, you could also convert it to Fuel and send it to fuel gens instead

There are recipes which allow you to make HOR into more useful things as well, though you'd have to unlock those for them to be useful for ya

[versed mesa]

No ive not i was only thinking about it earlier while I waited for plastic to finish loading at my station lol

[white dawn]

But yeah, early-game HOR processing for most folks is just hor->coke->sink or hor->coke->coalgen

Once you acquire a bunch of alt recipes, HOR actually becomes your most valuable starting point for oil processing, but don't worry about that yet. :)

[feral geyser]

Wtf

Why not residual fuel?

[white dawn]

This is your first introduction to dealing with byproducts; you'll always want to keep in mind that you need your byproducts to continue flowing

[versed mesa]

But last time I already made alot of packaged oil fuel and ive still got many left so Idk what else todo with it part from let it go to the tanks while things like plastic is being produced ect then when full I flush all to then resume producing

[feral geyser]

More power out of that, right?

[white dawn]

There's always something to do with the byproducts

[hard ivy]

cause you need another milestone to make any use of it. and you need some plastic/rubber to do either of them

[white dawn]

Yeah, I think that fuel gens are unlocked via a separate milestone, though, so your first-time oil setups might not have them available yet

[feral geyser]

Wait. That one doesn't unlock same time?

[white dawn]

Nope

[feral geyser]

Weird

[unkempt blade]

Apoca already gave you the answers for what most people do with it. I wouldn't do tanks unless you want to hand flush them on a regular basis

[tawdry charm]

I had enough rsources stored for unlocking and making the chainsaw :)

[versed mesa]

What they say well thats mainly only solution todo unless i continue to package it and send straight to the sink guess thats one way

[versed mesa]

W

[unkempt blade]

packaging it is going to eat up your plastic when you could just do petro coke and sink that

[vestal hill]

“I’ll just finish up this iron rod factory” you say
“Oh, might as well make the space elevator”
“Might as well make the smart plating”
“might as well finish the game”

Oh

[versed mesa]

Ah good point did not think about packaging uses plastic

[vestal hill]

This was meant to reply to something

[vestal hill]

Nice!

[versed mesa]

Whats petro Coke?

[unkempt blade]

petroleum coke (which you can sink and/or use for power in a coal gen)

[mortal ginkgo]

I think the reason is that the "oil unlock" milestone unlocks so much stuff that I am surprised to not see my mom in there.

Thats why fuel gens are cutely in seperate milestone.

[reef basin]

yeah, buffers practically never help and often hurt

[glossy umbra]

it did help me with water smh

[versed mesa]

Whats used to produce Coke again ?

[feral geyser]

Bro's got an Oedipus complex

[reef basin]

if it "helped", that usually means "it moved the problem elsewhere"

[feral geyser]

HOR

[vestal hill]

||coca cola||

[glossy umbra]

nope fully fixed

[unkempt blade]

refinery

[glossy umbra]

ive checked it

[reef basin]

then you have something else wrongly built, because buffers don't do anything to help

[feral geyser]

Aka pink juice in the big building

[versed mesa]

No i mean what does it use like inputs is that heavy oil ?

[glossy umbra]

idk it seems to be working perfecly and there is nothing else to be worried of

[feral geyser]

Yes, Heavy Oil Residue = HOR

[white dawn]

One handy tip, btw: if you don't remember how to make something, or just want an overview of the various methods, you can open the Codex and search for it. o will open the Codex itself, and n will open a search bar (which is also a calculator!)

Search for the resource you're not sure of and it'll show you all the recipes you can use to make it (including what building the recipe's in, etc)

[reef basin]

I'd be worried about using buffers

[nocturne condor]

is it fine to let 2 diffrent materials go into one truck stop to be delivered to one place? or can that lead to things like clogs in the system?

[feral geyser]

That can lead to clog unless you balance the inputs

[vestal hill]

Depends on how you handle the output

[glossy umbra]

well its just 1 buffer so we are good and i got rid of vertical junction that was there

[versed mesa]

I was not thinking about it until it gets mention I just had forgot on what was use to make it because ive only make it once lol

[reef basin]

one is still more than zero 😛

[unkempt blade]

if it's less than the throughput for that route it's ok but you'll need to splitter it on the output truckstop

[glossy umbra]

real

[white dawn]

Yep, no worries! A lot of folks don't even know the codex exists, and if you're not in the habit of using it, it's easy to overlook. :)

[vestal hill]

I love the codex so much

[versed mesa]

Ive seen it but never looked in it really lol

[cunning siren]

I'm less of a fan of the codex and more of a fan of the quick search

[versed mesa]

Lol

[white dawn]

I mean, quick search just ends up opening the codex anyway. :D

[versed mesa]

I dont use search also arleast not yet

[white dawn]

Just a different entry point

[versed mesa]

So i could just create Coke and send straight to the sink

That will help alot

[cunning siren]

As a single key stroke can search the codex... why would I open the codex THEN click in the search box so I can search it? 🤷 Space bar does not start the search in codex either so... WTF game?

[white dawn]

Or, as I say, send it to some coal-powered generators

Early vanilla-recipe oil setups will actually be net-power-positive if you spend the coke on coal gens

[versed mesa]

Lmfao

[white dawn]

(Once you unlock fuel gens, you could instead convert it to fuel and send it to fuel gens, which will be more power than the coal gen route)

Though I understand being hesitant to combine production + power-generation

[versed mesa]

True but am using fluid gens

[white dawn]

Ah, okay, if you've already got those unlocked then you could do HOR->fuel->fuelgen instead

Whatever you want, really; up to you. :)

The main point is to use the HOR somehow, even if that's just ultimately sinking it

That's something you're going to continue to run into from this point forward; dealing with byproducts is one of the main "challenges" in the game. :)

[versed mesa]

Ive already got fluid going to the gens and the tanks so it helps to keep ticking over when production is active

@white dawn what's hor ?

Or never mind

I remember

Heavy oil residue

[cunning siren]

Searches in the hard drive library are not always 100% accurate either 😆 it's like... WTF game! 🤷 I guess it's a work in progress

[versed mesa]

Yeah lol

If only the fluid gens take more than one fluid at the same time lol

Its all fluid you should be allowed to lol

[past robin]

heavy modular frames done, time to start making the fused frames

[versed mesa]

Nice

[past robin]

I make 67.5 heavy frames

[versed mesa]

@past robin what phase you on?

[past robin]

done with phases. this is going to space elevator warp drives

I want to make 60 nuclear pasta/min\

[versed mesa]

@past robin space elevator is the phase

@past robin are you on phase 3 ?

[past robin]

5

[versed mesa]

Nah you can't be because your said your a new player

[past robin]

i didn't say I was new

[versed mesa]

Or

Maybe another guy is i am so confused and posted who I asked if they are new

[past robin]

it was NOT me lmao

I am trying to make 600 singularity cells/min 😭 I don't think any one new is trying that

[versed mesa]

@past robin yeah sorry it was Kas who's new

I needed to scroll back up to see lol

[glossy umbra]

from now on i hate vertical pipe splitters 💀

ill avoid them as much as possible

[past robin]

I wonder how many tickets 600 singularity cells/min would give

[white dawn]

!wikisearch awesome+sink

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome+sink

[white dawn]

^ Should be some easy multiplication. :D

[past robin]

almost 69 million

[versed mesa]

Why do people make lines of pipes together i would thought its best to have 1 thing going through the same pipe

[cunning siren]

Cluster of 4x quarts deposits covering a slug under a water fall in northern forest 🤔 cheeky bastards!

[white dawn]

mk1 pipes have a max throughput of 300/min; mk2 has a max throughput of 600/min

If you need to transfer more than those limits, you need more pipes. :)

[versed mesa]

Or really i did not know this lol

[shy mulch]

If you want max points without going completely minmax on the maths, ballistic warp drives are the way to go

[versed mesa]

Must be the reason why some of my pipes and refineries was struggling to get alot of fluid

@white dawn makes more sense not thanks

[shy mulch]

I just read this comment (I started at the end atd I'm reading up lol)
Thats a lot, I'm doing I think 150 singularity cells atm and I'd lose my mind if I had to make any more

[past robin]

Most of the cells are going to become ficsonium, the remaining are going to be warp drives

[shy mulch]

How many BWD you aiming for?

[white dawn]

Should put 100% of them towards portals instead

[past robin]

The final number once I get there is 675/min, possibly, I don't know if there is enough copper though

[shy mulch]

For me, SAM was the bottleneck

[versed mesa]

@white dawn so would it just be best to have one refinery each to get there own separate pipes to get alot of fluid ?

[past robin]

What ever is left over from ficsonium lmao and maybe minus a few for portals

[split cosmos]

if i kick my friend from a multiplayer game, can they rejoin?

[nocturne condor]

How fast does a truck station load and unloa? is it instant or do i need to let the truck/tractor sit for a bit before turning around and finishing the loop?

[white dawn]

Technically, max Singularity Cells with resource conversion is ~1100/min!

Though I'm not sure how you'd power that factory without AGS. :P

[cunning siren]

Part of me is glad I do not seem to have the desire to "megabase" and another part is sad I have not experienced that part of the game

[past robin]

Yeah I do NOT need that many

[shy mulch]

Just do the calculation, same as you'd do for a belt. You know how much fluid you need to transport and the throughput of the pipes

[split cosmos]

can someone answer fast pls

[white dawn]

The station transfers at a rate of 2 stacks per second, so it's pretty quick

[shy mulch]

Everyone plays differently 😎

[white dawn]

You can configure how long vehicles wait at the station by clicking on the yellow "pause" node that's in front of it

[versed mesa]

Extremely mass producing you need alot of land to build it like multiple machine producing stuff like frames thats how yous to the big number per minute

[white dawn]

I'm pretty sure that you can lowball the wait time if you want; the vehicle will start transferring items even before it technically hits the pause node

I tend to just blindly set mine to 12.5 secs for Tractors (which would allow for a full load, if needed) without tuning them too much

Even if the vehicle's needlessly waiting there for a few seconds, it's unlikely to actually impact throughput

(and if you are running that close to the vehicle's throughput limit, I'd recommend adding a second vehicle to the route anyway)

[versed mesa]

I dont do maths i just go with it and hope it works well enough lol

[near frost]

yeppie i just broke 100H

[versed mesa]

Like most of my machines are producing one thing each and not multiple items

[versed mesa]

Congrats

I think am almost at 300 hours

[near frost]

and i am still in Rocket fuel plant and havent even started on my final phase 5 project

dude i havent even done my base

[versed mesa]

Wtf

[near frost]

i still have a longggggggggggg way to go

[clever stone]

Good afternoon chat

How are we doing

[versed mesa]

Why not you need factory for producing lol

[versed mesa]

Hello

[near frost]

? my main base will have other stuff in it as well so far its looking like the cubes are gone be in it

[clever stone]

I’ve been thinking about it and like what is the benefit for packaging fluids? I’ve got zero packagers and all my fluids are piped directly to their destination. I’m probably missing out on something but I don’t see the point of them

[versed mesa]

Ok

[versed mesa]

If package you can use with you vehicles

[white dawn]

If you're transferring fluids long distances, it's often better to package and send that way. (And if you're doing so with drones or vehicles, it'd be the only way)

[near frost]

transport over large areas, jetpack, some recipes use packged stuff and if ur gone use drones or trucks

[white dawn]

But yeah, if you can get by without having to transfer fluids long distances, there's no reason why you'd want to package them otherwise

[safe adder]

Is pure iron ingot recipe worth it?

[white dawn]

Mostly just convenience for when you do need them

(And of course there's the Diluted Packaged Fuel loop in Phase 3)

[near frost]

YES if ur gone need a lot of iron and again dependssssssssssssssss

[white dawn]

Some folks might use packaging to sink fluids, though IMO that's awfully wasteful and they'd be better off doing Something Else™ instead

[clever stone]

I will probably remake my pipeline eventually then lmao because I’m piping fuel from the west beach oil area directly down to my main base in the southern starting fields For now, though, I haven’t really run into any issues requiring a packager

[cunning siren]

Some of the treasure is out in the open, not hidden in any way shape or form, not a hindrance to get to with elevation or terrain, completely unguarded and free to take 🤷 May be a good plan to note these areas for the start of a new playthrough 🤔

[white dawn]

Oh, and yeah, as player says something mentioned, packaged fuels for vehicles/jetpacks are literally the only way to use them in such, so there's that too. :D

[safe adder]

well it's either pure iron ingot recipe or base recipe since the other recipes are quite bad imo

[white dawn]

I suppose there's also the bloody weird Turbo Diamonds recipe. That one still confuses me

[versed mesa]

Pachaged fluid is handy for running your jetpack

[near frost]

ya i aint using supler for iron

[clever stone]

Huzzah I won’t need to rely on 1000+ solid biofuel anymore

[versed mesa]

No

[clever stone]

Thanks guys I appreciate the help

[nocturne condor]

does autopilot follow your direct path? or does the tractor try and take roughly the same path? as its doing some weird things i do NOT remember doing

[cunning siren]

What is the "longest manifold" (counting machines) assuming MK.6 belt limitations, I just made a pretty long iron wire one with MK.5 🤔

[white dawn]

Technically it goes from node to node; in general it should be a pretty good approximation of your recorded path, though

[nocturne condor]

it just fell off the path and out of bounds

[white dawn]

Though with a caveat that the autopilot generally does not understand backing up. Go forward only. :)

[white dawn]

Theoretically the vehicle should auto-correct and warp to the next node before too long. Which path did it fall off of, though?

I often wonder if there's some kind of machine/performance-specific changes which can happen with vehicles

[nocturne condor]

it fell off of a bridge i made over the water that is plenty wide enough, it just kept backing up into the water. fun

[white dawn]

Like I've literally never had a vehicle fall off of a path or behave super weirdly, but some folks seem to see 'em

I've even had routes which go across fairly precarious paths (like the little connection between grass fields + blue crater, along the south)

[nocturne condor]

i think i fixed it now so ill see if i can run both of my auto trucks without issue now

[white dawn]

Generally whenever I do hear about that stuff, it tends to involve player-made roads; that could be one thing. I only ever use "natural" roads and don't tend to build bridges and such

But that's pretty anecdotal; I wouldn't put too much stock into that

[nocturne condor]

sure yeah that would probably help but it would be a significant detour

[white dawn]

Yeah, you'd expect a nice wide bridge to be okay, dunno

And as I say, I do wonder if there's something performance/system-specific sometimes. Like if the physics can get weirder in some circumstances

I've personally found vehicles to be super reliable; whenever there is some issue they'll always just warp to the next node after a bit

[cunning siren]

A 1200 /min iron rod manifold is 80x constructors! Queue "Long long man meme" 😆. Maybe this is part of "screw hate"

[white dawn]

But I tend not to see issues in the first place

[white dawn]

Speaking of, Steel Screws would be 240x constructors. :)

[cunning siren]

Wuuuut

Steel Rod brings it down to 25x for 1200 🤔

[white dawn]

The longest manifolds I've probably ever constructed were Red Ornaments for FICSMAS

Those 10/min inputs, sheesh.

(With, at the time, I think a 500 stack size. Those were a joy to wait for. :D)

[feral geyser]

I tore down my FICSMAS factory and I regret it

[nocturne condor]

#screenshots message the left and right sides of the bridge of the metal foundation are new to prevent them from falling off. but yeah you can see the distance i am traveling versus what I would have to travel. on top of the face that if i went the natrual path theres a lot of enemies that spawn and would get in their way

[mortal ginkgo]

does Ficsmas give anything useful gameplay wise or is it just pure yolo automation?

[nocturne condor]

OH MY GOSH this stuff burns through fuel like no tomorrow

[white dawn]

Mostly yolo. Snowballs used to stack higher than nobelisks so they were useful from that front, but I don't think there's actual advantages anymore

[cunning siren]

OH, that's where mah current base is 🤔

[white dawn]

Some fun skins. A nice new "basher" (though identical functionally to the xeno-basher)

[mortal ginkgo]

Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge ❤️

[white dawn]

And lots of festive factory decorations, of course. :)

[cunning siren]

Didn't one event give an additional sloop or something? Maybe I recall incorrectly

[white dawn]

Hm, don't recall. FICSMAS used to be the only way to get Superposition Oscillators, which were needed to unlock a crash site. (Was that also the case for the cut Neural-whatever Computers?) Edit: ah, yes, and Quantum Computers. Couldn't remember what those used to be. :D

[fresh copper]

@alpine anchor send a picture of the whole setup

[mortal ginkgo]

gimme actual regular ones please...

[mortal ginkgo]

it was a Oscillator boi from what I heard ya

[cunning siren]

The crash site in the swamp requires one of those superposition oscillators 🤔

[cosmic adder]

Man, these animations for first tome is crazy

And game is like a drug..

[alpine anchor]

I dmed u

[white dawn]

Right, but nowadays you can just produce Superposition Oscillators

(and the one that had required Quantum Computers got switched to something else, since QCs don't exist anymore, even in FICSMAS)

[cosmic adder]

I got that space thing, and it was minda cool to see how it arrived

[split cosmos]

is there a lever to shut everything off? like, i can turn everything on but not everything off, yk what i mean?

[past robin]

there is the priority power switch

it sounds kinda like what you want

[split cosmos]

no, i want to turn everything off

[past robin]

yeah put the switch by your power plant

then it will cut power to everything

[split cosmos]

dang, i havent unlocked it

[past robin]

can I ask why you want to do that 😭

[split cosmos]

last coal power plant isnt reciving coal

[white dawn]

There's also just a regular power switch, but you have to flip that one manually. The PPSes you can flip "remotely" anywhere by interacting with any other PPS

[split cosmos]

im an idiot, i can just wait for the first coal plant to fill completley up

[snow jasper]

Hey all, I got two questions, I was browsing the mod manager yesterday and I stumbled over a mod that increases the time it takes for a building to be materialized (kind of like the space elevator I think) but I didn't read it properly and didn't favorite it either and now I can't find it. Does that sound familiar to anyone? Secondly, again, this was two days ago, but I found a mod that reset the progress of the space elevator and increased cost of what you need to do it again? But I can't find this one either. Does either of these seem familiar to anyone? (Is this the place to ask? If not, tell me where I should ask and I'll delete this post and post it there instead.)

[white dawn]

For power plants, I do nearly always put them in "standby" while they all fill up, so I can flip 'em on to full strength right away (or, well, one at a time, but still)

Unlike production buildings, power-generation buildings will accept material input when in standby. Fairly handy

[somber sigil]

is nuclear the best energy producer

[lyric yoke]

Is there a button or other feature in satisfactory-calculator that'll summarize for me how much of which resource I have in play? Like "You've got 10,000 Iron Ore in Storage Containers; 20,400 in Industrial Storage Containers; 200 on conveyor belts; 400 in smelters"? As it is now I can hover over storage containers and see what's in there, but it'd be cool to see a summary of some kind

[white dawn]

"Best" really depends on what you mean by "best," and is quite subjective even then

A single Nuclear Power Plant gives the most power out of any other power-generation building in the game, if that's what you mean. :)

End-game power tends to be a choice of Rocket Fuel vs. Nuclear

[past robin]

kinda? it makes by far the most power, but it is much harder to setup. a max nuclear setup can make like 1.9TW of power

[hard ivy]

only storage containers, but yes

[lyric yoke]

That's primarily what I'm looking for, cool

[hard ivy]

1.47 TW without sloops or resource conversion. Much more with both

[past robin]

oops, I forgot the number 😭 thank you

[lyric yoke]

Whereabouts in the satisfactory-calculator interface is the "here's what you got in storage containers" summary?

[hard ivy]

statistics -> stored parts

[lyric yoke]

son of a gun, there it is. thanks!

Follow-up question: In satisfactorytools, when you're building out a factory you can choose what inputs you already have, so that the calculations can exclude that from the proposed factory. You can pick an item like Quickwire and designate a number, where the default is 10.

Does this mean 10 Quickwire total that's sitting in a container ready to use, or 10 Quickwire per minute being produced from somewhere?

[hard ivy]

Tools does everything in per min

[lyric yoke]

Oh, wait, I think I answered my own question. The Overview tab now has a section called Input where it has the Quickwire input I set. If I'm reading it right, it's including this as 10 Quickwire per minute.

dang, that's a shame. I was really hoping for something that would say "Oh you want to make 10 ACUs? And you already have 10,000 Quickwire in storage? That means you're gonna want to produce X number more"

[tall lantern]

you can do that if you just pretend the "per minute" isn't there

doesn't change the ratios or anything

[lyric yoke]

hm, interesting

[tall lantern]

no difference between eg

10 iron ingot/min -> 40 screw/min
and
10 iron ingot -> 40 screw

[lyric yoke]

Oh, I think I see what you mean. Like I don't actually want to produce 10 ACU/min, I want to produce however many this tier requires, like 1,500 or whatever it is.

and just ignore the per-minute, because PEMDAS or whatever algebra thing I barely remember

[tall lantern]

obviously the number of buildings it'll tell you won't be relevant or reasonable, but you can totally interpret the item counts that way

[lyric yoke]

hm, yeah. It ended up choking on "1500 ACUs (per minute)".

Unfortunately we couldn't calculate any result.
This can be due to many things: missing resource required for the production line, not enough resources for the requested amount, disabled recipes required for the product, etc.

[tall lantern]

you'll need to turn up the inputs

[lyric yoke]

oh, beyond the map limits

[tall lantern]

slap a few more 0s on

beyond what they could supply in a minute, yeah, but we don't care about that

[lyric yoke]

yeah, that worked. THanks a bunch!

oh wait, gosh. Phase 3 requires one hundred (100) ACUs, not ... 1500 or whatever

[amber heath]

does anyone know how to split water streams? i got 4 water pumps i need divided into 8 coal generators

[past robin]

a pipe junction

[tall lantern]

why not just send each 1 extractor (not pump) into 2 gens

[amber heath]

does it split them evenly?

[tall lantern]

(also you only need 3 extractors for 8 gens at default clocks)

[past robin]

pipes aren't "split evenly" it will send whatever it has through the pipes

[amber heath]

i got 4 cuz why not ig

[tall lantern]

that's fine, means you can clock 'em down

[amber heath]

wdym?

[reef basin]

pipes are bidirectional, fluids flow anywhere they can

[reef basin]

no reason to build more than you need

[tall lantern]

as long as you're careful not to exceed the pipe limit (300/min) through any segment you'll be fine, so just don't push it all in at one end

[amber heath]

even back?

[tall lantern]

yes

[reef basin]

yes

[amber heath]

so how do i make sure they get into my coal generators then?

[amber heath]

fair, i'll remove one

[reef basin]

connect them to fluid source

[past robin]

the only time they woouldn't is if you used a valve

[reef basin]

and you should never use a valve

[amber heath]

can i connect 3 pumps into one pipeline if i use a junction, and then split them evenly when im at the coal generators?

[tall lantern]

extractors*
and no, because of those pipe limits

[reef basin]

there's nothing like "split evenly"

also you're probably talking about extractors

also check pipe limits

[tall lantern]

remember one mk1 pipe can only do how much, vs how much would 3 extractors supply?

[amber heath]

oh yeah, i meant extractors, mb

yeah you're right

so how do i do then

[tall lantern]

handily there's a command for this, since it's a common thing

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[amber heath]

oh yeah?

[tall lantern]

the principle's simple though, just don't try and fit more through a pipe segment than it can handle

[amber heath]

yeah of course, i forgot it couldn't handle 3 extractors

[tall lantern]

if you avoid that you'll generally be fine with mk1 pipes. mk2s get a lil... quirky near max flow

[amber heath]

and how do i use pumps? my coal powerplant is in the air (or well on a platform but quite elevated)

and the water isnt exactly right next to it

and how many pumps will i need

[reef basin]

pumps give you headlift, basically "how high can fluid go"

you need pumps only if you go up above headlift limit

[amber heath]

wdym by headlift?

[reef basin]

basically "how high can fluid go"

[amber heath]

dont i need to use them as long as the water has to go up?

[glossy umbra]

greeny ive finally fixed everything and its working as it should tysm for your help :)

check screenshots

[reef basin]

the pump gives headlift. It's written on it how much it gives

if it would give e.g. 10m of headlift, you can go 10m up before needing another pump

[amber heath]

oh thats what you mean, how do i know how high up my platform is?

[past robin]

time to learn about water towers!

[amber heath]

i suppose so

[white dawn]

You generally don't need to actually measure anything out. Put the first pump pretty close to the bottom, and then its control panel will tell you how far "up" it's trying to pump the liquid. While placing a pump, there'll also be an animated hologram which (at least theoretically) shows you how far up the pump will pump

(Also, build a "water tower" if you want, but there's really no reason to. Pumps work just fine and are practically free)

[amber heath]

im broke af

[amber heath]

okay cool! i'll try

[past robin]

essentially water can fill pipes to the HIGHEST point in the pipeline ANYWHERE. so if you at the start of the pipe use a few pumps to make a 30m tower straight up, as long as you don't go higher than that point anywhere else in the pipe you won't need more pump

[amber heath]

i have way too few items automated rn

[amber heath]

okay great, thank you

[white dawn]

The alternative, of course, is to just build your coal gens down near the water

[amber heath]

wait but what if i go down and then up again

[amber heath]

not really an option for me

[past robin]

as long as you don't go over that highest point it doesn't matter how many times you go down and back up

[mortal ginkgo]

you might want to tackle that right away after getting lil bit of coal. pumps also show the distance of how long they donna send the water up

[rustic pier]

I am really kicking myself for passing up on the alternate heavy oil residue recipie..

[amber heath]

i will immediately after i get coal power. i will get 600MW which will be good for a little bit while i get some milestones done

[white dawn]

You'll get it again. Time to find more drives! :)

[past robin]

yeah that is a really silly idea 😭 that is like top 3 imo

[rustic pier]

Yeah i was thinking about going drive hunting again on the whole map i havent discovered yet lol

I started in the rocky desert and havent explored much outside of it

What do yall think the best ammo is to use? So i can go locked and loaded

[mortal ginkgo]

I would say before milestones, have like 2 assemblers for each item, 4 constructor for small stuff etc.

but "dont be broke" in a game where the resources are infinite

[amber heath]

yes, im gonna automate basically every item and then i will work on the milestone

[mortal ginkgo]

very gud, very pioneering, much efficiency,

wow

[amber heath]

yeahhh

[amber heath]

wait

how do i actually get the pipes into the air?

[past robin]

build them onto walls

[amber heath]

oh yeah makes sense

i expected this to take like 1h and i've been doing it for like 2,5h

[reef basin]

that's horrible advice imo

[white dawn]

For which weapon? Most of them are pretty good; your favorites are likely to depend on personal preference

[amber heath]

why do you think so?

[reef basin]

water tower still needs a pump, you don't save anything

[amber heath]

how do water towers work?

[reef basin]

because water tower is very unnecessary piece of structure, when you can achieve the same thing with just pumps

why build more complicated setup, when a simple setup does the trick

[amber heath]

yeah that makes sense

[plush dawn]

water towers are good in some scenarios, but many scenarios a few pumps will be better

[mortal ginkgo]

I am curious about something if you dont mind answering, whenever you have free time:

Why are your coal generators are so high up? Majority of coal (all starter area coals) are near water areas.

[amber heath]

mine wasnt

[mortal ginkgo]

MADNESS!

[amber heath]

dude i had to take that shit 700m

[mortal ginkgo]

Did you start in Dune Desert because dunes are cool?

[reef basin]

we're all on the same map, so kinda weird

[amber heath]

no, starter area

[white dawn]

There's sort of two different things that people can mean when they say "water tower" in this game:

1. Just a pipe that goes up real high and then back down, sometimes with a fluid buffer at the top. Still needs pumps, so you don't really save anything with that, and if you use a buffer, the buffer can be problematic
2. Exploiting some glitches in the fluid simulation, with a fluid buffer, to end up with a system which does not need pumps. Relies on glitches which may or may not survive future game updates, though probably they'll continue to work. Whether you want to use that one or not depends on how comfortable you are with relying on that kind of edge case thing

[mortal ginkgo]

there are 4 starter areas 😄

[amber heath]

dude idk maybe im dumb but mine aint close

[amber heath]

yeah but the first one, grass place

[mortal ginkgo]

you ain't dumb, you probably missed the closes coal

[mortal ginkgo]

ok lemme check

[amber heath]

the closes was 300m away and i took the one 800m away

[reef basin]

build coal gens near water, ship coal to them

[amber heath]

ahhh

[white dawn]

Honestly the best coal-power spots in the game tend to be kind of far away from your starting locations anyway

[amber heath]

yes, 1.3km away

[white dawn]

There's a few places in the game where there are 3-4 coal nodes right next to largeish bodies of water

[amber heath]

there was a cluster of like 4 pings of coal 1.3km away

[rustic pier]

The rifle. I use the basic one but feel i should probably start using something y

[mortal ginkgo]

there are 4 normal coal nodes to the north, water is beside them too

maybe you might wanna yoloswag there but your choice ofc brother

[amber heath]

yes, those are the ones 1.3km away

but im too much of a wuss (and basically cant defend myself against the big hog dudes) so i decided not to go there

[mortal ginkgo]

its ok, no matter how far away they are, you can make the coal gens there, grab the water and coal and use them. And to send power, just powerpole yourself way back to the base.

you dont need to bring coal to your base, or water etc

[amber heath]

i will have that as the next ones, but honestly i couldn't really bother traveling that far rn either

[mortal ginkgo]

get Rebar Gun, smack them brother!

[mortal ginkgo]

thats alright, do what you feeling safe for now

just note that the reason Coal etc is generally far away is to lure you outside and explore

[amber heath]

yeah i figured but i'd like a weapon or something before i do that

or at least the 50% speed things

[lyric yoke]

The Satisfactory Calculator will show you all the parts you have in storage containers if you look in the Research modal. Does this include dimensional depot storage?

[nocturne condor]

is there a way to mass delete items from your inventory?

[shrewd palm]

alpha hogs are really annoying if you dont have some kind of range weapon ngl

[past robin]

hold control when dragging into the trash

[shrewd palm]

holding ctrl and then dragging an item to the trash bin will delete everything of that item, alternatively you could throw everything into a bin and then sink it all

[amber heath]

indeed they are

[nocturne condor]

A LIFE SAVER (i needed and need to delete hundreds more iron bars due to connecting the wrong systems together)

[reef basin]

sinking it is more efficient 😛

[cunning siren]

Basic rifle ammo does the most DMG per shot SO, if you don't mind sitting back and controlled bursts + reloading often 🤷 not the "best" DPS. Turbo ammos massive magazine size is it's main advantage, if you get close enough the DPS is unmatched at the end of a sustained burst as the fire rate will increase as fire is sustained

[past robin]

I played 3 full play throughs before learning that

[lyric yoke]

I hear tales that if you can jump onto a smallish rock (like taller than the hog, not so tall that you can't get up on it, and not sloped enough for the hog to run upon), that you can beat the hogs with a stick and they can't really get you.

[shrewd palm]

might be obvious but you can also use control to transfer things in/out of bins, and also shift (transfers one stack instead of everything of that item)

[nocturne condor]

I did know that, i just didnt realize it worked on trash also

[shrewd palm]

ahh

[amber heath]

yeah i actually noticed that in the beginning cuz i was mad scared of those when i first started (like 3 min into the game) and didnt know i could hit them so i just ran back to HUB and realized they couldnt jump up

but sometimes im not close enough to reach

[shrewd palm]

i cant wait until you run into your first big stinger

[amber heath]

whats that

[shrewd palm]

you'll know when they find you

[amber heath]

i dont like the sound of that

[nocturne condor]

Now i need to figure out if what i saw was a big or middle...

[carmine aspen]

Youll know when you see it

[shrewd palm]

i think there are 3 different sizes but there also might be 4

[amber heath]

nah dude u guys are scaring me bruh

[shrewd palm]

i turned them off becuase i didnt like getting jumpscared all the time

[amber heath]

i thought the fire throwing guys were scary

[amber heath]

...

[zenith fractal]

the cats

are cute

do not let anyone spread misinformation to you my friend

[amber heath]

lol

[shrewd palm]

i think there are 3 different kinds of stingers, 2 different sizes of spitters (although their colours change depending on the biome), and 4 different kinds of hogs

and 3 different sizes of hatchers

[past robin]

FUCK THE BEES

I HATE THE BEES

[amber heath]

guys wtf is this tear gas near the spawn?

[past robin]

blow it up

[shrewd palm]

a boombox kills the flies and i think if you crouch they wont do anything and you can just beat them to death

[amber heath]

i feel like i shouldnt, and i also cant cuz i dont have explosives yet

[past robin]

the boombox kills them????

[shrewd palm]

yes, turbo bass

[amber heath]

im on tier 3, barely

[past robin]

there is cool collectables in there

[amber heath]

like what?

[past robin]

slugs, spheres, or sloops

[carmine aspen]

The sick beats are too much for their little minds to comprehend

[shrewd palm]

the fart rocks usually hide artifacts or slugs

sometimes they block off certain areas

[amber heath]

idk what they do tho, the MAM is mad confusing

[amber heath]

what are they used for

[zenith fractal]

slug make things go fast. spheres make special storage depots, sloops duplicates thingmabobers for your facctory.

[shrewd palm]

slugs can be turned into power shards which you can use to overclock (machines run faster at a slight increase to power draw), spheres are used for dimensional depots (inventory that you can access anywhere, basically the cloud but for resources), and sloops can be used to double resource output of a machine at the cost of vastly increased power

[carmine aspen]

Slugs for overclocking, slopps for additional mach9ne output, and the spheres for building QOL

[nocturne condor]

is it worth it to under clock my buildings to meet specific ratios? or should i just run them at base 100%

[carmine aspen]

You can but its best to try to meet demands

[amber heath]

i saw someone talking about "basically the cloud for recourses" in a video but never understood it

[shrewd palm]

how much do yellow lights and things not running at 100% efficiency bother you

[zenith fractal]

the underclocking is useful for slim energy saving and getting everything to have the 100% efficiency number

the yellow lights makes me cry

[nocturne condor]

My factory is pretty much all yellow lights as all the storage units are full lol

[amber heath]

how many hours do u guys have on this game?

[zenith fractal]

well over a hundred. maybe in the 2 hundreds

[carmine aspen]

Im at a laundromat so i cant check rn (my washers broken)

[amber heath]

thats not too bad

[nocturne condor]

Just Ficsit?

[zenith fractal]

indeed

[cunning siren]

A lot 😆

[amber heath]

how do i make my pipes go up?

i have the pipes near the walls

[carmine aspen]

I dont think ficsit would be bothered to go all the way to you to fix an appliance

[shrewd palm]

you can connect a belt to it and then input resources, and resources that go in are uploaded to sort of a second inventory (basically a menu next to your regular inventory that lets you pull things out of it into your regular inventory. it also uses these resources for building and by default will use resources from the depot before inventory, although you can change it to be the other way around)

the base amount it can hold and upload speed are not very good, but they can be upgraded via research in the MAM to hold 5 stacks worth of an item and upload at 240/min

[amber heath]

thats really cool actually

[nocturne condor]

Now now I never said they would fix it for you. just buy a ficsit brand washing machine and there you go! good as new!

[cunning siren]

If you want to be "perfect" you can buy pipe floor holes and wall mounts ect... from the "awesome shop". If not build a foundaiton high and drag the pipe up there

[shrewd palm]

a little past 600 now but that is almost nothing compared to some of the people here

[amber heath]

yeah 600 isnt too bad

[carmine aspen]

Imagine that as a mechanic where your rad suit gets dirty from radiation exposure, and you have to put it into a industrial sized washer and dryer to clean it

[cunning siren]

Often times building a "framework" pipe to connect junctions to is a good start for many pipe situations

[past robin]

I need to get back on my terraria arc, hit like 9k hours and haven't played it again in moonths

[cunning siren]

That can help with everything else

[reef basin]

overflow stuff to sink

[amber heath]

oh i havent placed the awesome shop yet

[shrewd palm]

you should, it has a lot of really useful stuff in it

[amber heath]

should i build the awesome shop?

okay cool, i'll do that now

[cunning siren]

It's optional BUT floor holes for lifts are SOOOOOOoo worth it

[shrewd palm]

a ton of stuff for logistics, some trophies, and its also how you get all the cosmetics for buildings and stuff

[carmine aspen]

It can help out when youre low on building/research, or general equipment like ammo and noblisks

[amber heath]

okay i have it now

[cunning siren]

Ceiling mounted belts ❤️

[amber heath]

i have no coupons tho

[shrewd palm]

you buy things with coupons that you get from putting resources into an awesome sink (for early game you can just sink overflow and then you'll have a decent amount of coupons by the time you actually need them)

[nocturne condor]

too lazy, too crowded to do it effienctly atm it would require undoing a lot of my factory

[reef basin]

it's just a single smart splitter and a sink, that can fit practically anywhere

[shrewd palm]

quartz and uranium i think are also a decent source of coupons early on, but with quartz i think you have to turn it into crystals or something

[nocturne condor]

lets look. oh I dont have a smart splitter lol. (I know you couldnt know that)

[amber heath]

dude the sink is so big compared to the shop

[shrewd palm]

caterium tree my beloved

[amber heath]

but there is an input, where should i put the input?

[shrewd palm]

^^ @amber heath

[amber heath]

ohhh

and what do i put in there?

[shrewd palm]

the awesome sink eats anything you belt into it and turns it into coupons

[amber heath]

oh it needs power

my power situation isnt very great, thats why im trying to make the coal power plant

[reef basin]

one more reason to get it 🙂

[shrewd palm]

higher tier resources give more points, although for the stuff you should be worrying about early game just connecting it to a miner or some overflow belts should be fine

[cunning siren]

Ez-mode ways to get early coupons is to sink Cables Quickwire Raw Quartz Uranium and SAM

[amber heath]

can someone help me with my pipes? i cant get them to go where i want them to go

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533

[nocturne condor]

I dont even have the ability to start getting it yet it seems, im on phase 2 barely have any progress towards phase 3 maybe 1% or something like that

[reef basin]

it's in MAM

[shrewd palm]

reanimated SAM gives an insane amount of coupons too

[cursive phoenix]

#screenshots message allat just to get 4 modular frames a min

[cunning siren]

Yep, if you have the power to spare party on!

[amber heath]

i can do cables

[cursive phoenix]

oh damn i got that lemme put it in the sink

[shrewd palm]

you're in the grassy fields right

[nocturne condor]

under caterium or something? as idk where it is otherwise

[reef basin]

yeah caterium

[amber heath]

idk what its called, but i believe so yes

[cursive phoenix]

is sam fluctuator fine too?

[hollow ferry]

An observation.

Dimensional depots are great.

[nocturne condor]

yea hthat would be why I dont have the research then, i barely have any cat research done

[mortal ginkgo]

GUYS I AM MISSING IRON PLATES SEND ME ALL YOUR IRON PLATES FAST GOD WHY ARE THEY ALL GONE

[shrewd palm]

theres a small ravine hidden under the really big arch that has a sam node that you can sink for points, watch out for the stinger inside tho

[nocturne condor]

#screenshots message this is my second factory thats more sorted than the first, and its still a mess (it got worse over time as i added more stuff into it)

[hollow ferry]

produce more iron plates

[mortal ginkgo]

RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[cunning siren]

If you are at the point where you have that automated though, coupon amounts should not be a big concern really

[amber heath]

i need to fix my power situation first dude, but my pipes wont do what i want them to

[cursive phoenix]

no true but more aint bad is it

[shrewd palm]

check out the post you made in #1038092680493801533

[amber heath]

i have

[hard dawn]

Guys what to do against my friend keeping timing out?

And joining

Like bro loads in for 200 years and than just times out

[native tapir]

Does the world you're trying to load into happen to be very complex and have a lot of objects to load?

[hard dawn]

Yeahhh

im just gonna setup a server

[nocturne condor]

I love that I can just casually build mk2 and mk3 belts without really thinking about it. one of the reasons I prefer this game over factorio (I never used anything more than mk1 betls as screw automating anything better)

[reef basin]

wdym? you can "casually build" belts in both games

[limpid cairn]

space issues im assuming

like, conveyor belts dont get in your way if you get what i mean

theres a building in front of you? just build under / above it or clip through it

[nocturne condor]

Spacing reasons (which im bad at) also in factorio is the fact you need to actually automate the belts, you can't just freely place them like in satisfactory as long as you have the ingredients

[silent grail]

whats a dimensional depot

[reef basin]

well in Factorio, the "belt" is the ingredient, so it's kinda the same - you automate something and then build out of it

[limpid cairn]

Online banking but with items

[white dawn]

a fun thing that you can research in the MAM, once you've found some SAM in the world

Well worth your research time! Invest in it as soon as you can. :)

[limpid cairn]

it makes building enjoyable !!!

[silent grail]

interesting 👀

[amber heath]

can someone help me in questions-and-help? its just a simple question about conveyor belts and splitters

[white dawn]

(I mean, IMO building was plenty enjoyable even before Depots, but I admit I am quite fond of the QOL that Depots provide)

[hard ivy]

You know what I just realized? Satisfactory belts must be 4+ Dimensional. How else would they just casually be able to pass through each other? They can't. So the answer is that they don't. They pass over/under/whatever the direction is called in the 4th dimension

[reef basin]

no reason to write here as well, people will reply there once someone who knows the answer comes around

[amber heath]

but perhaps people wouldnt mind helping but dont always go in there?

[reef basin]

it could be seen as spamming multiple channels 🤷 and generally there's enough people helping in QaH, just takes some time sometimes

[nocturne condor]

Well my point is more. You don't only need the ingredients to make the belt you have to automate them, set up a whole section just to produce their base components and then the belt themselves, versus satisfactory just needing the base components and being able to build freely and without the possible issue of running out of belts themselves and having to wait for those to be produced. Its just a small difference that i like in satisfactory

[amber heath]

ik, but im getting off in a bit so i just wanted to know quickly, wont do it again

[reef basin]

it's just one extra step though, and you can also limit how much you make in Factorio 🙂

but I get the difference, I just don't agree with your opinion (which doesn't make it invalid)

[limpid cairn]

while we speak about factorio and sf, how much harder/easier is factorio than sf?

in your own opinion if someone answers

[silk ocean]

Never underestimate how peeps claim server is good and port mapping / ISP is not xD

[cunning siren]

Remembers when crash sites were not able to be dismantled AND if you had your power grid hooked up to them they would leach your power until you realized it 😆

[white dawn]

Once you've moved beyond Phase 1 and no longer have to collect biomass, there's literally no pressure in Satisfactory at all. (Plus unlimited nodes which generate a constant rate of material.) I think by most measures Factorio would be considered "harder"

(I believe its production lines end up being more complex than Satisfactory's, too)

[unkempt blade]

satisfactory can be time consuming but imo isn't really "difficult"

[silk ocean]

"can be"

It is

[unkempt blade]

I mean we're comparing it to factorio so...

[silk ocean]

Both are time consuming

[unkempt blade]

🤷 depends how you choose to play

beating all the objectives isn't more time consuming than say a full BG3 playthrough

[silk ocean]

Any play, train world, microbase, both are time consuming, that's the whole point

[limpid cairn]

iirc factorio can be speedran faster than satisfactorio 🤔

[silk ocean]

Who cares about speedrun

[unkempt blade]

people comparing time consuming-ness 🙂

[limpid cairn]

idk man, but we should make a negative speedrun where people try to complete the game in the most time consuming way possible

[silk ocean]

Send that to Quake Done Quick, they will love your ideas..... not

[unkempt blade]

you should try the "make the entire world radioactive" or the "0=>10k automated factory carts" speedruns

those are way better than the vanilla completion ones

[limpid cairn]

i have no clue what QDQ is

[unkempt blade]

it sounds sweaty, I think I'll stick to my factory cart based speed running

[silk ocean]

Quake Done Quick?

[limpid cairn]

yes

[stone python]

no

[unkempt blade]

maybe

[silk ocean]

Were you born in like 1998 or something xD

[stone python]

wow, what's with the ageism?

[silk ocean]

Nothing, just if you don't know what Quake Done Quick is

[limpid cairn]

yes (im born 10 years after that)

[unkempt blade]

I'd just ignore him, everything is gatekeeping or elitist nonsense with him

[cunning siren]

If I see a fart tower I MUST SHOOT IT! 😆

[silk ocean]

Well YT Quake Done Quick, if you care

[cunning siren]

How DARE they fart!

[stone python]

oh, i was just doing a poor attempt at ragebaiting :wheeze:

[stone python]

man, ficsit forcing sub 18's to do their work now. Must have ran out of the older people

i guess getting them in young IS efficient

[unkempt blade]

can't be worse than the mcdonalds drive through I guess

[severe sun]

How many iron nodes are there in total, in the whole map?

[limpid cairn]

i wish i could work for ficsit irl

[unkempt blade]

I'd check the wiki for stuff like that

[limpid cairn]

i dont need breaks, i dont sleep im just working 24/7

[cunning siren]

It depends on the category, glitched satisfactory is a thing so 🤷

[limpid cairn]

92.1k iron mineable in the whole world
nodes? no clue

[past robin]

using the most effective alt recipes, how many screws could you make

[plucky flower]

Thats some deep questions lol

[limpid cairn]

1567000 per minute

[unkempt blade]

we had someone solve that in this channel a while back, you might be able to find it with search

[limpid cairn]

nvm its 1732780

without sam and limestone into sam!

thats about 1444 mk6 belts

[past robin]

if you introduce coal and limestone to the problem you can make 5,387,850 screws/min

or about 4490 completely full mk6 belts

[limpid cairn]

coal and limestone are already added into the recipe

i just used the wrong alt

[past robin]

ahhh

[limpid cairn]

apparently theres not enough coal and sam and limestone on the map to make fully use of steel screws

sftools converts like half of the iron ingots from leached iron ingots into normal screws

instead of into steel first, then steel screws

[ebon marten]

does anyone know where theres sam i dont need to build too or blow up those gassy things

[limpid cairn]

depends on where you build/are atm

[unkempt blade]

great name, but I've never heard of sam before

[ebon marten]

i only need an outcrop to start off the research in the mam

[past robin]

sam, hmmmm.... sounds like some strange alien name

[limpid cairn]

you cant really find sam with V without finding sam ore first

[unkempt blade]

my cousin's name is Sam but he doesn't play satisfactory so based on context I don't think I can be helpful

[ebon marten]

no shit, why do you think im asking where to find literally any of it, outcrop or a source

[unkempt blade]

my cousin Sam lives in Missouri if that helps

[rose lintel]

So the % on your machines. Is that over a period of time? Cause I have constructors with enough material to make several items in the buffer and it’s reading 65%

[past robin]

does he have any strange alien materials by chance?

[clever stone]

I remember finding the Sam node in the starting fields and it being hell to build a proper extractor and constructer setup

[nocturne condor]

Now is this including one time sources of iron?

[unkempt blade]

I wouldn't go to Missouri though, the gas vents there are way more dangerous than on Mirage

[nocturne condor]

Hey don't insult my home state so accurately!

[feral geyser]

i learned something really crazy about Missouri the other day 😶

[limpid cairn]

sorry i thought you meant those little small ore debries with outcrop, but as i mentioned earlier itd be easier if you could say where you are building currently so i dont name any sam node that is 5000m away from you

[nocturne condor]

Are you... Going to specify or?

[feral geyser]

in #off-topic-general

[past robin]

there is nothing too specify as Missouri isn't real

[clever stone]

Hey I’ve got a question for yall. I see a lot of talk about maximum node output due to the limited amount of nodes in the game, but is getting to that point of extracting all that ore necessary to complete stage five? I’m at stage 3 and most of my process and extraction comes from around the starting fields, I haven’t even touched any of the north nodes yet

[limpid cairn]

the only way you are reaching that amount is if you are a maniac and automate stuff too much

the only resource you are can run out of is prob bauxite sam and uranium

[past robin]

you will only touch all oof the nodes if you want to make some mega factories

[past robin]

and copper

[clever stone]

But the nodes are infinite aren’t they? The grade of node only dictates the starting extraction rate

[limpid cairn]

we are not making 60 nuclear paste per minute

[past robin]

who is we, because I am

and tbf most NORMAL people aren't usingg 2100 uranium either

[limpid cairn]

😳

[clever stone]

So do you say this in reference to the rate of materials likely not being enough for extreme optimization and automation?

[past robin]

exactly

[clever stone]

Gotcha

[past robin]

an example being, there is only like 4 uranium nodes on the map totaling to 2100 uranium/min. with using all the best alt recipes you can only produce 50.4 fuel rods a minute with that

it isn't due to a lack of nodes them selves but rather a lack of possible extraction rates

[clever stone]

Oh yeah alt recipes, I gotta go look for more of those.

[past robin]

yes you do, and this is an order

[clever stone]

For the prosperity of earth and kittens and puppies

[limpid cairn]

alt recipes are game changing for everything in phase 3 to 5

[past robin]

I think every recipe for my heavy frames is an alt 😭

[clever stone]

I do have the ingot to screws one already which has been great

[past robin]

idealy you will eliminate screws all toggether and never need to use them

[clever stone]

Fair enough

[limpid cairn]

but, why are you using screws in the first place?

[clever stone]

Because I’m a goofy goober newbie to the game

[unkempt blade]

That's a great reason to be using even more screws than you currently are. Screw-inclusive recipes are all the best one

[clever stone]

I see

[past robin]

screws are only ok for early game

[limpid cairn]

when will you add a your current pfp into a factory cart?

[clever stone]

And I know the MAM gives you one choice of two options but I assume all of them will become available as you find them

[past robin]

once you start autimating the big things you would need to make 10s of thousands of screws/min to acctually keep up

[unkempt blade]

variety is fun, try some different recipes once in a while 😄

[clever stone]

Man if I could eliminate screws I would do so 100%

They are a nightmare to route properly

[limpid cairn]

are you saying i should use copper rotors?

[past robin]

you will at some point

[feral geyser]

screw recipes will use more resources overall, but will give you double, sometimes triple, the output rate per machine

[unkempt blade]

I'm saying you should roll a dice for each stage of your production chains and use whatever recipes fate says you should

[feral geyser]

all in all, i like them cuz i like building fewer machines

[mellow tree]

Reinstalling satisfactory and im somehow getting 450 mbps o.o

[limpid cairn]

thats still not enough pros for having the insane screw con

[feral geyser]

not a problem with steel screws

and if you still have trouble making beams late game, what are you even doing?

[clever stone]

I think my last question is what do you guys think is the most effective alt recipe. I know they’re practically all sidegrades but one of them probably reigns supreme as the efficiency king

[unkempt blade]

screws just want you to build a little differently because they have a high item count which isn't really even more effort with BPs especially

[feral geyser]

STITCHED IRON PLATES

massive boon early game

[past robin]

heavy oil residue, easily my most used

[feral geyser]

acutally yeah, HOR + Diluted Fuel is pretty key

[unkempt blade]

wet concrete

[feral geyser]

basically, the answer depends lol

[past robin]

exactly, and I use it to make petroleum coke for steel aswell as so many other things

[past robin]

<rubber concrete

[clever stone]

I think I skipped wet concrete for the ingot screws 😭

[unkempt blade]

cast screws is a really good recipe, you'll get more chances later

wet concrete gets better when you're able to scale power a bit

[clever stone]

That’s my current goal rn since my power consumption is slowly creeping up on my fuel power generators

Might go connect my geysers to the main power grid

[past robin]

have you made an alien power augmenter?

[clever stone]

I have unlocked the recipe just not built it yet

[past robin]

it is a base 10kMW and boosts the rest of your grid by 10% and later can do a 30% boost

[clever stone]

👀

Man I just now gotta find my somersloops I randomly put away in storage somewhere

[past robin]

I LIED

MY BAD, they are a 500MW boost

not 10k

and when I say later you can boost it to 30% it is WAY late

[feral geyser]

Only off by a factor of 20 lmao

[past robin]

it isn't THAT far 😭

I have no clue why I though it was that big

[cunning siren]

Turtle in phase 1 get a few hard drives without any MAM unlocks bamn! stitched iron plate 🤷 hard to not do this

Iron wire too! Pretty handy strat

[rose lintel]

Hmmmm launched my first slave elevator delivery. Do I start tier 3? Or optimize my first location some first?

[silk ocean]

Start after 3 xD

[limpid cairn]

@feral geyseryou have notepad++ right?

[feral geyser]

Is that different from regular notepad?

[silk ocean]

Who doesn't have Notepad++

[limpid cairn]

i think so

[limpid cairn]

i dont even have notepad installed anymore

[limpid cairn]

can you open the .SAV files from sf?

[silk ocean]

Wat

[limpid cairn]

also good pioneer grind, 35h on sf

[feral geyser]

I don't have it

[past robin]

notepad++ 🤮

[feral geyser]

Am not a programmer

[limpid cairn]

someone had it in this discord but i forgot who

[feral geyser]

Just a casual

[past robin]

(I do acctually have it but I don't like it that much)

[nocturne condor]

Okay im going to start oil stuff!.. oh this is about to be complicated isnt it?

[silk ocean]

Of course?

[limpid cairn]

also without Egyptian hieroglyphs ?

[past robin]

not too bad

[silk ocean]

Erm.. can't say for sure, open it and find out?

[limpid cairn]

oil is as easy as normal fluids you just start to have byproducts

[feral geyser]

@limpid cairn why the Pinocchio face? 😒

[nocturne condor]

Byproducts is where i start to trip up in these games ;-;

[limpid cairn]

i dont have notepad++ so im asking you xD

[cunning siren]

When I use the snap points for PUMPS, it says it's exceeding the head lift 😢

[silk ocean]

What do you mean you don't have Notepad

[limpid cairn]

i uninstalled it

[limpid cairn]

🤥 = lie

[silk ocean]

Why.. How.. So many questions

[shy mulch]

I've never bothered to look at the sav files, I assumed they were just some binary stuff you'd never decipher without some reference file. Is is a readable format?

[limpid cairn]

its a compliment!

[feral geyser]

I'm not lying.

[limpid cairn]

i also dont have the edge browser, bing and a lot of other microsoft stuff

[silk ocean]

But but so many questions XD

[limpid cairn]

windows debloat

[silk ocean]

But none of this is bebloat

You're just removing applications, that is not debloating

[cunning siren]

If notepad++ then... why windows notepad? 🤷

[lyric prawn]

what is the burn rate of turbo fuel in a 100% fuel generator im getting 2 different number 4.5 or 7.5

[limpid cairn]

i removed the applications while debloating thats what i meant

[feral geyser]

7.5 is correct

[past robin]

7.5, 4.5 would put it almoost on par with rocket fuel

[lyric prawn]

was 4.5 a old number?

[feral geyser]

Rocket fuel is 4 ⅙ / min ( 25 / 6 min )

[silk ocean]

Notepad and Edge are useful programs. Edge is Chromium you know. It's not bloating your system while not running

[cunning siren]

Should I trust the pump snap points OR obey the head lift warnings? 🤔

[earnest oak]

how do trains work my platform just doesnt load/unload

[limpid cairn]

i have personal hatred against edge, also which browser isnt using chromium nowadays?

[feral geyser]

Go about 5m below the snap point to be extra safe

[limpid cairn]

but thats inefficient!!!

[silk ocean]

Firefox? And that engine sucks

[cunning siren]

The snap points are a lie!

[feral geyser]

Sue me lol

[limpid cairn]

firefox is the reason browsers arent behind a paywall!!!

[feral geyser]

Also, you called me a liar without explaining, so boo

[limpid cairn]

the !!! indicate sarcasm, also the liar was a compliment saying that you arent a casual player imo

[cunning siren]

IE6 was horrific, Edge is much better IMO

[silk ocean]

It still sucks compared to Blink and V8 imo

[frozen shoal]

Gladly.

[feral geyser]

Ah okay, I accept. I was saying I am "just a casual" after saying "am not a programmer."

[silk ocean]

Edge and IE6 are two very different things. Modern Edge is Chromium

[earnest oak]

how do trains work my platform just doesnt load/unload

[feral geyser]

Train has to be docked and set to the correct mode (there is a switch at the bottom of the UI)

[nocturne condor]

man why isnt my new factory working well? i had an mk2 belt instead of an mk3 belt in one single spot

[earnest oak]

what do you mean by train has to be docked

[cunning siren]

Sneaky belts are sneaky

[nocturne condor]

with that going anyway I can actually work on my oil refinery stuff now. this is going to be fun yeah...

[earnest oak]

the items arent even going into the station

[feral geyser]

The locomotive has to pull into a regular Station, then you can dock the train.

[earnest oak]

any button for that?

[feral geyser]

I think F? While you are driving

[earnest oak]

nothing is happening

[feral geyser]

You'll have to send pics in a thread

There are other people more knowledgeable than me too

[earnest oak]

how do i make a thread

[feral geyser]

#1038092680493801533

Search there and see if the question has been answered before

If not, make a thread.

[earnest oak]

oh i think my station was pointing the wrong way 😭

[feral geyser]

That would do it

[nocturne condor]

question, fuel. i assume it needs to go into pipes and how do you store it? buffers?

[past robin]

buffers or packaging it

[silk ocean]

Tanks, sure

[past robin]

buffers are much easier and much better

[nocturne condor]

I cant package anyway so i just wanted to be sure

[silk ocean]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/buildings/detail/id/Build_IndustrialTank_C/name/Industrial+Fluid+Buffer

[white dawn]

Question: what are you storing it for?

[nocturne condor]

Becuase its byproduct and i assume if i dont store byproduct then it will overfill and stop all production?

[past robin]

fuel is the biproduct?

[white dawn]

The only real reason to store a fluid would be if you use it in equipment or pioneer-driven vehicles (in which case you'd need the packages versions)