satisfactory

[real shale]

You aren't supposed to make me feel better, you are supposed to make me feel like I need to dump another 500 hours into the game to complete phase 5

[sullen gull]

Ahh, that's fair.

[shrewd palm]

i rushed phase 4 with a temp setup so i could get the tier 9 stuff with 1.0

[sullen gull]

Noo, it's another 1200 to beautify! 😏

[shrewd palm]

so now i have to build everything from smart plating to BWDs for my space elevator factory

[meager fern]

since its only another 20ish minutes,im just waiting to reach phase 3 so i can have a better idea of what i actually need to build and not just have a bunch of arbitrary amounts of things

[real shale]

As an engineer, it is beautiful as is.... who needs aesthetics when it's EFFICIENT

[sullen gull]

Blueprinting can help, but yeah, the chains get pretty long lol.

[real shale]

I'm proud of my 100% efficient crystal oscillators/crystal computer factory

[sullen gull]

I wholeheartedly reject that notion, and say, proque los dos!? 🤣

-# probably spelled that wrong

[meager fern]

beauty is for architects. do you know what else is for architects? plans that toss functionality and common sense aside to make it look "good"

[merry perch]

it looks beautiful when its efficient

[shrewd palm]

aesthetics is what we do when we get the efficiency part down

[real shale]

I keep telling myself that and it never happens

"I'll make it look pretty when I've done X"

[sullen gull]

Have you completed phase 5 once yet?

[shrewd palm]

then do the aesthics at the same time or before efficiency

[real shale]

No, but I think I'll prettify things when I'm done with it.... maybe

Or I'll just start from scratch on a modded playthrough and say I'll prettify things again later

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I was going to say, I totally get the "efficiency first" on first (and even second perhaps) playthroughs lol.

[real shale]

In my eyes she looks pretty as is

[meager fern]

or you can play "satisfactory plus" so you can suffer even more and not ever prettify anything

[real shale]

One of the mods I'm 100% getting in a modded playthrough is refined power

[shrewd palm]

i think total overhaul mods like that require a special kind of masochism

[real shale]

and anything that changes power infrastructure........

[sullen gull]

Fyi, if going after achievements, it messes with one of them

[shrewd palm]

i have seen ark on default settings and it doesnt come close to some of the overhaul mods out there

[real shale]

Which one?

[sullen gull]

Completeing MAM research

Though I could have missed something, but I was a bit upset so I ddisabled and reloaded the save to do it again 🤣

[real shale]

Isn't that the complete full tree one or is there one for everything

[sullen gull]

For all

[real shale]

Oh.....

[meager fern]

mmm satisfactory plus looks so good. the first advanced form of power being biomass based? sign me up

[frozen shoal]

What's satisfactory plus exactly

[sullen gull]

Once you have the achievement though it's fine (at least seems so here)

[sullen gull]

Satisfactory on crack? 🤣

Lol, I'm just surmising from the comments @meager fern is making 🤣

[meager fern]

yeah thats about right. the early game appears to be 1 million times worse than regular

and the biomass power generation isnt even easy. water conditioning, having to construct a biomass burning thing, with a boiler on top of that, that goes to a turbine, that goes to a generator, to make 150 watts of power. you also have to have a building to remove the co2

i skipped the part where there are 1 billion times more screws than normal

[sullen gull]

Hmmm, maybe after this "make it big and [attempted]purty" run 🤣

[latent meadow]

anyone ever try putting a drone port into a cave is it super glichy ?

[sullen gull]

As far as I have seen, it just clips through the terrain.

[latent meadow]

ahh ok ty

[sullen gull]

Others may have different expierence though 🤷‍♂️

[real shale]

Oh wow there's a mod to multiply the phase requirements by 10.....torture.

[meager fern]

that seems to be the standard experience. things like clipping through other things

[latent meadow]

ikr that and flying trucks

lol

[meager fern]

mmm yes, i sure would love to make 10k smart plates for phase 2 thats what i want to do with my time

speaking of those, 5 more minutes 🙏

[latent meadow]

i really hope the fix the trucks int his game tbh trucks and tractors are so broken right now

[meager fern]

are they?

[shrewd palm]

they're not broken they're just

[latent meadow]

yes

[shrewd palm]

special

[latent meadow]

😐

::smacks bill with rotten fish ::

[shrewd palm]

they dont think very much of their surroundings

[latent meadow]

that true

tbh i almost could see myself doing a whoel just truck and tractor run if trucks could carry liquids

that would be neat

nitrogen right now well uranium too but that diffent was the only one i felt like i really needed a trainf or

for

[real shale]

Trucks can carry fluids.....package them :3

[shrewd palm]

i use trains for almost everything

[latent meadow]

that is true nerd

[shrewd palm]

basically everything that goes over 600/min

[latent meadow]

your right

[real shale]

Actually packaging them is a higher throughout anyway

[latent meadow]

only thing i had to so far package is some heavy fuel becuase i wanted to make ammo for my rifle

heavy oil resdue

[real shale]

I had to package sulphuric acid

For batteries

[meager fern]

it took kibitz 14 hours to automate power, including 2 hours of handcrafting, and 22 hours to finish phase 1

[latent meadow]

isnt that just sulfer and water

[sullen gull]

And iron plates iirc

[latent meadow]

no it not

it just sulfer and water

[real shale]

Sulphuric acid is just Sulphur and water

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok...

doesn't have game open atm 😏

[latent meadow]

lol it ok

[real shale]

I think iron plates is used for an alternative recipe for batteries though, could be wrong

[latent meadow]

dude i feel like sometimes i gaslight myself

[frail sleet]

iron plates is nitric acid

[latent meadow]

not mean too

o0o

[real shale]

Ah that's it

[latent meadow]

that the new one i not gotten to yet

[real shale]

But yeah I had to package sulphuric acid to transfer over to my aluminium factory to make batteries

[latent meadow]

i did most my alumin stuff in my base

i love the drone by the way

that is so cool

[meager fern]

cool finally onto phase 5 and 6, the place where i usually splutter out

[real shale]

I made a drone battery distribution platform for all my batteries to be divided out amongst factories

[latent meadow]

oh nice

[real shale]

I produce 250 of them a minute I might as well spread it out

[latent meadow]

i kind of wish the drone though was more like the train in the routing system

[shrewd palm]

you can do it this time just try not to burn out/let pipes get to your head

[latent meadow]

i keep getting to tier 8 and i just like yep im over this lol

[real shale]

Oh, there's a logic gate mod.......oh no.......Im no longer safe

[meager fern]

it was the manufacturer that got to my head. all the inputs and all the balancing

[shrewd palm]

ahh

just manifold it ngl

[latent meadow]

nitrogen got me

[real shale]

Oh god I could actually go so in-depth with that mod and go crazy......I think a missing person's case might be filed for me due to it

[latent meadow]

having to get back to my base then doing fused modular frames

i was like im so bored lol

[shrewd palm]

average satisfactory experience

we all go missing for a couple days at one point or another ngl

[real shale]

I'm thinking of all the power grid logic I could make with it

[meager fern]

if power = not enough power
{
makeMorePower();
}

wow at this rate i'll have enough versitlie framework for phase 3 in 28 hours. i'm so lucky i have 1 assembler at 73% speed. i dont think i need to build anything else for that

[white dawn]

The question is: can you spend 28 hours decorating your factories? :)

[feral geyser]

i don't do nearly enough decorating

[shy fog]

No... would take me 5 minutes to encase the entire factory at most

[real shale]

More than that

[vestal hill]

I need to decorate more

[white dawn]

My own decorations tend to be quite sparse

[real shale]

My decorations tend to consist of smelters, miners, assemblers, manufacturers, constructors....wait that's just the factory itself

[clever merlin]

i need to make some kind of waiting system for my trains

or at least give them more room to sit befor they go into the station

[vestal hill]

the factory must grow

[real shale]

Turn the station itself into a block :p

[clever merlin]

??

[meager fern]

thankfully i dont have to, i have to work on the other parts

[feral geyser]

@prime rampart @limber plaza i just realized the BPs i sent you guys are all power sharded for max output. if you'd like versions that don't use power shards so you can scale it more easily in your factory, let me know, i can re-adjust the clocks

[real shale]

Put block signals at the entrance and exit of the station, means they'll stay right outside it until the current train leaves, and then just make blocks from there (I am saying this because I ended up having a freak accident at one point with 4 casualties)

imagine my face walking into my train station to see train cars everywhere

[vestal hill]

Thats why the wall is there, so you don’t see it coming

[real shale]

I've always wondered what happens if a train derails off the map because you have to press E on the train to get it back on so...is that train just gone if that happens

[meager fern]

damn they removed my other iron nodes in the north west part of the map that i used for my steel production

[vestal hill]

Wdym they removed them

[meager fern]

pre 1.0 there were a couple of iron nodes that were reletively close to an area i liked making a steel factory, and when i just did a scan they were completely gone

[vestal hill]

Oh rip

[cunning siren]

Gets sleep... makes more mistakes 😆

[dim beacon]

any one know how often coffeestain studios puts out a bug fix/patch?

[dense violet]

you could check the wiki for patch releases? doubt there's a specific pattern

other than maybe directly after an update there'll be a few patches

[dim beacon]

ok ty

[limber plaza]

finally got diluted fuel

[dense violet]

got the HOR alt as well?

[meager fern]

when im getting started with oil production(plastic and rubber) should i just make petroleum coke to get rid of the heavy oil residue and sink it or something

[dense violet]

that's definitely a thing yo ucan do 🙂 and how I go about it

good early source of points

[meager fern]

ill probably want to turn it into residual fuel once i get a packager to use in my jetpack instead of solid biofuel

[dense violet]

that's also an option 🙂

use some of the plastic you're making to make containers

[cunning glade]

One train station is done

[rigid glen]

whispers Make some Liquid Biofuel

[cunning glade]

Shhh I'll do that eventually

[rigid glen]

lol Not you, Sleepgard

[cunning glade]

No ik I've been meaning too do that since I've had refineries

I'm now making an aluminum plant

[meager fern]

it does seem like a better alternative. longer burn time, more flight time, higher flight

[rigid glen]

My current play through as my best and compact aluminum design

[limber plaza]

u unlock liquid biofuel at the same time u should use that in jetpack better wayy better use fuel for power meanwhile

[cunning glade]

I'm not really going for compact

I'm going for having 3900 ingots a min

Cuz I assume that should be enough

[rigid glen]

It's the best fuel in terms of burntime, gets you crazy distances byhopping and will last you through the game

[meager fern]

but ionized fuel makes you go higher faster

[rigid glen]

I would hope so 🙂

[rigid glen]

It's the premium version of LBF, but WAY harder to make

[cunning glade]

As do i

[meager fern]

i can just whip some of that right now, hand craft it 😔

[rigid glen]

some of what?

[meager fern]

it

[rigid glen]

-.-

[limber plaza]

yeah ionized is the best im not there yet i got rocket fuel rn

[rigid glen]

LBF 4 Lyfe!

[limber plaza]

i like rocket more just because of the movement over LBF

[meager fern]

it seems like i probably want to look at unlocking compact coal and turbofuel soon

[rigid glen]

And I use LBF for the movement, it last way longer burning and gets you much more distance, rocket fuel is for verticality

BUT

It's your game, not mine, so you do you 🙂

[earnest oak]

this game takes to long because i suck i aint got this muchg time on my hands

[rigid glen]

The game doesn't suck because you have no time for it

[earnest oak]

like i posted in in screeshots it shouldnt take me 4 days to make heavy mod frames

[earnest oak]

oh no i love the game like

i said it takes a while because i suck

my first time reaching phase 3 so ya

[latent meadow]

i hate fing trains 😐

[meager fern]

then dont f trains

[latent meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-jim-carrey-chew-gif-11266427

[cunning siren]

Make blueprints of belts under foundations with power poles on them, sky belts 4 evah! New Auto-Connect feature even joins the belts for you!

[tiny python]

hi guys! quick question that i cant find the answer to from a search - my friend and i are long time players through the epic store, but are considering swapping to steam. would our early access stuff like the gold helmet carry over?

[latent meadow]

it the trains and the signals i havng issue with

trying to get them setup up so they work correctly but the singale just does not want to place in the right spot

and then it keeps giving me singale loops back on itself or black entry conflict

[silver notch]

i dropped it and now it doesnt display

[regal geode]

What should i build after completing phase one?

[cursive totem]

How do you deal with elevation changes with trains? I have to keep building "steps" which look so ugly 😭

[dense violet]

pick a milestone and go

[dense violet]

pre plan your tracks and factories so they work with the landscape

zoop leading lines of foundations along the whole path to plan around terrain

[dense violet]

#design-and-architecture message

[lucid flicker]

i just started project assembly and made the space elevator

ahh finally im progressing to coal, and less manual labor of biofuel

[true mulch]

You can lay tracks on ramps for straight inclines

Build out N foundations and then N ramps (N = roughly 1-4, as much as you want) for the transition. Then lay a straight track continuously on the ramp. At the top, after you're done with the ramps and foundations, instead remove N ramps and foundations to allow it to smoothly transition back to level track

[cunning glade]

Chat I'm missing something how do u make a vertical conveyor longer than possible

[true mulch]

Longer than the default?

Look up after the first click

[dense violet]

link up floor holes?

[cunning glade]

Hold on I'll send a photo

[true mulch]

#screenshots or make a #1038092680493801533 thread

[true mulch]

Not fixed still?

[cunning glade]

Its there

Its a photo cuz my game takes screenshots in .exr format now

But I'm trying too add the 3rd line and make it the same

[true mulch]

You can link lifts together directly

[dense violet]

you can always build walls up, place a foundation, then put a floor hole in it and continue upwards. No exploit needed

[cunning glade]

I mean I did it

But the bottom has a floor hole I can't get rid of

So I mean like is okay ig

Still don't understand how this guy did it

[dense violet]

it's an exploit, they are often not reliable.

[cunning glade]

Well it looks so nice

[leaden turret]

going to assume the answer here is "no"

[limpid cairn]

2 floor holes connected together

[hollow spruce]

i forgot when is console comin gout on satisfactory again?

[dense violet]

#announcements

[cunning siren]

Made a tiny plast and rubber build AND... this #screenshots message

[meager fern]

if you dont want to use the 2 floor holes, you can connect 2 conveyors to eachother

[hollow spruce]

right there was a trailer

thanks

[cursive totem]

ooooohhh that was the clue i missed

thanks so much

[peak oak]

hey can someone please help in a beginner concrete factory, right now I have it where its Miner MK1 -> Constructer -> Storage

[limpid cairn]

What are you trying to do?

[dense violet]

seems reasonable? what's up

[meager fern]

that seems like a beginner concrete factory to me

[peak oak]

Is there any way I can produce more? I thought it was pretty slow

[dense violet]

get more limestone from more miners
and/or overclock your miner

[meager fern]

overclocking once you unlock it, or more limestone

[dense violet]

research overclocking in the MAM

[peak oak]

ahh okay sounds good

What category is that in

[feral geyser]

power slugs

also #1422468461434503228 message
can someone take a look please>

[meager fern]

idk if power shards copy in blueprints, if you used them, if they display, or how many you have, but could that be the missing items?

[feral geyser]

we can talk there

[ebon marten]

They do if you have them in your inventory when building

[limpid cairn]

How do I get rid of a million power shards? They are clocking up my system

[feral geyser]

throw em on the ground

or flush em

[limpid cairn]

I thought the toilet in the hub can only store 1 item

Didn’t know it can flush stuff

[feral geyser]

Yeah, just don't flush all your sloops

[dense violet]

have them in their own system so that nothing relies on their production, then it doesn't matter if they clog

[meager fern]

there is also a delete thing in the inventory, although im not going to test if that works

[dense violet]

or make ionised RF

[cunning siren]

Day and night transitions in this game stop me from playing sometimes. I just watch

So pretty

[reef basin]

Build more 🙂

[silk ocean]

+alt recipes, in some circumstances

In many circumstances XD

[peak oak]

How do i unlock better fuel sources, gathering wood is getting tiring

[silk ocean]

Get to Tier 3 i think it is - Coal

[peak oak]

okay

[silk ocean]

3/4 I always forget which one is Coal

[peak oak]

What phase is that lol

ohh phase 1

[silk ocean]

It's not a phase, it's a tier in the HUB

[peak oak]

oh yea i see it here, thanks

[silk ocean]

It's quite easy to get to if you rush Tiers 0-2 which doesn't take too long with a starter fac, just involves a few biomass burners and a lot of leaf gathering

[peak oak]

Yea its our first playthrough were kind of just winging it as we go lol

[silk ocean]

Perhaps don't rush then xD

First play is the best play, it's all new and exciting like any game xD

[peak oak]

yup

[silk ocean]

Power gets a lot less labour intensive once you get coal up and running, basically automated

[peak oak]

thats amazing

[silk ocean]

It's all about automation 😉

[fervent garden]

I can't stop thinking about November fourth.

I'm gonna do all the things.

[silk ocean]

I just can't imagine playing this game without a keyboard and mouse, but I am a lifelong PC gamer after all

[fervent garden]

You don't have to imagine.

I use keyboard and mouse for games that I can on Xbox

[dense violet]

turn your biomass into solid biofuel, burns a lot longer

but after the first phase you'll get coal power

[silk ocean]

Fair xD

[dense violet]

you can sprint around and punch a ton of leaves very quickly though.

[fervent garden]

Lol I just can't afford a pc

[silk ocean]

PC doesn't have to cost the world and in the long run often works out cheaper, no subscriptions, games often cheaper, etc

Depending what and when you buy stuff, like Steam sales, etc

[fervent garden]

The pc I was looking at is 700

[silk ocean]

I doubt you'll get a good experience that low

[fervent garden]

I can modify it

[dense violet]

do you have much experience building towers and getting components?

[fervent garden]

Hell no

[dense violet]

avoid big box computer shops. They'll generally be more expensive and give you packages that aren't great. Like advertise X component as great but have the other parts not able to keep up with it. Dell does that a lot.

find a dedicated computer shop and get the tower built by talking to them. You're also generally much better off getting it all done at once rather than trying to patch up a cheap rig. You'll save money and get a better computer in the long run

[fervent garden]

Any Reccomdations for computer shops

[shy mulch]

do what I do, have rich friends who build good PCs for themselves then don't bother to use them, then sell them to me for half what it cost 3 months later 😄

[silk ocean]

or just stick with the xbox if you already got it and it does the job xD

[dense violet]

I have no idea where you live sorry xD

Just google search for computer specific stores that aren't the big boxes

[silk ocean]

xbox is basically just a PC anyway, especially if you can plug a keyb+mouse

[fervent garden]

Tx 🙂

[dense violet]

If you happened to live near Melbourne Australia I could tell you exactly where to go 😛 but chances seem slim 😛

[fervent garden]

Yeah but I can't play the good games.

[silk ocean]

Any friends who know what they are doing?

[fervent garden]

I had one but she unfriended me like a month ago

[silk ocean]

Consoles aren't even that cheap these days I notice

[fervent garden]

Still, they don't have the good games

And they can't run a lot of stuff

[silk ocean]

Just don't buy a prebuilt or laptop imo lol

[buoyant token]

I join the server but I’m on console …

[dense violet]

...and?

[silk ocean]

I don't think console will be able to join dedicated servers?

Didn't they say it's just console-crossplay but not to PC

[cunning siren]

Oh man IDK you could get both +6 inventory hard drives in phase 3 🤔

I got one in phase 1 and it would not give me another 🤷

I guess 2nd is phase 3

[silk ocean]

Rush the Alien Tech tree in the MAM and Dimensional Depot, and then you barely need an inventory

[cunning siren]

Ye

[vocal wolf]

help i ate biomass what do i do

[dense violet]

guess you'll die

[cunning siren]

Having a big inventory is handy for box feeding stuff through and transfering storage boxes 🤔

[vocal wolf]

it tasted like crunchy strawberries so no regrets

[cursive crane]

Its leaves and wood you'll be fine

[silk ocean]

Could contain a slug

[fickle oriole]

wow the truck is a PITA to drive - enormous turning radius for one thing. Once I finally painstakingly lay out the route for auto-pilot, with an average speed of 10Kph, is there a way to tell the autopilot "but drive it faster"?

[silk ocean]

Get trains and throw trucks in the trash xD

[dense violet]

afaik they drive the speed it was recorded. But you should also probably record turns slowly to drop more way points

[fickle oriole]

i hear ya, i've been using trains almost exclusively, but i thought i'd try trucks once. jeesh.

to bring cargo from a spur mine to the train station

[dense violet]

their best use case is probably planning factories around natural roads

and it doesn't matter if they are slow, they don't have lock out times so you can just add more trucks to the same path

[silk ocean]

I faffed around for ages setting up a 2-truck route in the early game, obliterated it eventually and used belts for a while

[fickle oriole]

so i'm not missing something? Trains and belts seem better in almost every way.

[silk ocean]

Yep

[fickle oriole]

kk, ty folks!

[silk ocean]

Trains totally own trucks in basically every known way xD

[reef basin]

Depends how you define better

[reef basin]

Except for throughput per platform

(Or energy cost per vehicle)

(Or infrastructure needed)

[dense violet]

trains benefit from being able to reuse the same infrastructure over and over for new routes

trucks benefit from needcing basically no infrastructure, you just need to plan out your factories to work with natural roads

[silk ocean]

You'd have to run a lot of trucks though

[dense violet]

trucks also use much less energy

as greeny pointed out

[reef basin]

Not really, depends on distance

[silk ocean]

Trains really don't use much when you get into mid-late game it's a drop in the ocean

[silk ocean]

Does depend on distance yea

[reef basin]

Trucks use even smaller drop in the ocean tho

[peak oak]

Just unlocked Coal power!

[fickle oriole]

not sure about the "no infrastructure" part, you gotta set up the stations, and then either be a super-good driver or have a very nice wide highway (wiki says trucks can only go up/down a 2% grade) with huge turning radii. 🙁

[fickle oriole]

grats!

[peak oak]

So now im overstimulated, should I be making one big factory or just keep putting stuff near the ore spawns?

[reef basin]

2% grade is definitely a lie. And trucks self-fix themselves if they become stuck

[silk ocean]

If really that power-constrained, sure

If a train accelerating trips your powergrid, you got problems XD

[fickle oriole]

there is a LOT of discussion about this, play around and see what you like. I started with One Big MegaFactory, but you get bandwidth issues shipping raw materials to it, so now i put factories near ore spawns. but it's up to you.

[reef basin]

I'm not talking about being power constrained. I'm saying trucks use less. As an argument against "trains are always better" (they aren't)

[silk ocean]

Okay fine - trucks are better maybe for short runs, in some circumstances

[reef basin]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency some recommended read

[dense violet]

"plan around natural roads" <-- made this point very clear several times.
sometimes you could build bridges I suppose but I wouldn't make world highway

[reef basin]

Trucks are different from trains and each one is more suited for something

[fickle oriole]

I hear you, i just found that the turning radius is so damn big that I had to build parking lots for turnaround. Anyways, thanks for the reply!

[silk ocean]

Yea they are different in the sense that they don't follow the route that you tell them to follow and keep hitting things XD

[swift turret]

Infrastructure isn't that much different. You need to setup a truck station per resource just like a train, you need roads for trucks. Honestly trains do have it beat

[reef basin]

They follow the nodes, not route

[reef basin]

For trains you need to set up the rail, most likely even signals and such

[silk ocean]

All I can say is I have spent a lot of time watching mine and they drift around a lot, and reset a lot too

[swift turret]

Thats automated with auto connection now

[sterile blade]

Trains need rails, trucks don't need roads ^^

[reef basin]

Still have to set it up

[swift turret]

You still have to setup roads

[reef basin]

No

[swift turret]

Yes

That's how road infrastructure works

[reef basin]

Natural roads are a thing

[silk ocean]

If you have to set up roads, may as well set up rails instead

[reef basin]

Trucks don't require roads and are fine with driving on terrain. Try that with a train, I dare you 😛

[sterile blade]

Trains need rails
Trucks don't need roads
Ie: roads are nice, but not necessary to operate trucks

[swift turret]

Not efficiently

Try getting up the cliff without roads and getting rhat node yoy need

[sterile blade]

The Explorer is quite good a t that

[reef basin]

That word has like no meaning, people use it to describe everything lol

And trucks can scale hills just fine. Yes, they can't jump cliffs, but you have conveyor lifts to get the node down if that's a problem 🙂 or build a small ramp, still easier than building rail the whole way

[swift turret]

Nah setting the rail sets you foe success later

If you're gonna setup the infrastructure early we'll wehn you eventually need to scale it you got the blueprints and the resources automated and can move them over longer distances

[reef basin]

???

[silk ocean]

Build the global rail network, spend a few days doing it, no regrets later on XD

[reef basin]

Why would I need to scale one truck route to a node that's fully used?

[swift turret]

Even building a simple rail network from your base to a nice sets you with the needed infrastructure later on

[silk ocean]

I wonder if trucks burn more CPU cycles than trains, seeing as they need constant babysitting XD

[swift turret]

My truck decided it didn't like work and reversed off the pad I had for it

[cunning glade]

I put pop tarts in the toaster I don't think there hot still

[reef basin]

Building a rail network ahead of time is the same as producing for future - pointless unless you know the future

[silk ocean]

Don't have to build all of it, just the basic structure

[cunning glade]

Tbh real if ur gonna do a global network tbh megaprint one

[reef basin]

yeah that's a bad idea

[cunning glade]

How so

There's very simple ones

[silk ocean]

And if you're planning on a large global factory you can be pretty sure you're going to need a perimeter track with some crosslinks at a minimum

[reef basin]

which is?

personally I wouldn't build anything, just build the routes as needed. The network evolves itself over time, no reason to prebuild anything

[reef basin]

because there's like 99.9% chance it won't be built as you need it

[swift turret]

If drones were more reliable I'd use them over trains

[silk ocean]

I haven't needed to change the original, if required I just insert a path intersection and branch/link

[cunning glade]

Yeah which gives u the freedom of building it too ur needs connect it where u want and build other stations 🤷

[reef basin]

and have inefficient train routes because the author of the network decided to not route the rails in the way I need? no thanks

[cunning glade]

U then only need too connect it a tad

[silk ocean]

Just make it more efficient if needed with interlinks, simple

[reef basin]

I'd spend more time rebuilding it than if I built it from scratch

[cunning glade]

Add intersection where needed

[reef basin]

also, not really fun to just copy-paste a thing, that's just not how I play games

I play games in a way that makes me be the player, not someone else

[silk ocean]

Like I said I haven't rebuilt any rail, if required I just add capacity, but with over 100 trains it's not even remotely a problem on this network

[reef basin]

if you're fine with the inefficiencies, that's fine for you, but not for me

[cunning glade]

I enjoy the great things people make so🤷

[silk ocean]

It's pretty efficient, most routes are give or take direct

[cunning glade]

I love seeing other designs and using them too inspire my own

[reef basin]

yeah that's just not true for any of the networks I've seen (for me). 🤷

[silk ocean]

Sure some trains don't take a perfectly direct route but it really doesn't matter as long as they are not going wildly around the map

[swift turret]

Interlink the stations so the train has no choice but to go through them

[cunning glade]

So far the global network I've used has been very efficient plus looks nice has been easy too add yeah it's not for everyone but it's a nice option

[reef basin]

again, you may be fine with the fact that you have tons of pointless rail, but I'm not. Not to mention the "cheating" of copy-pasting a thing into your save with a save editor

[swift turret]

Cheating?

[cunning glade]

It ain't cheating if u get the resources I mean time ig but🤷

[silk ocean]

Never edited a save, and none of the rail is pointless, all of it is used by 1 or more trains

[reef basin]

if you used a megaprint, you did edit a save

[silk ocean]

Never used that

What the heck is a megaprint xD

[reef basin]

then idk what you're arguing about because we're talking about pasting a megaprint in your save

[silk ocean]

Not done that

[reef basin]

I wasn't arguing with you either, you jumped into the convo

[silk ocean]

Never used mods, never done anything other than manual building xD

[cunning glade]

Megaprints can be cheating sure but it depends

If u place a factory that insta beats the game id consider that cheating

[silk ocean]

Crossed-chats xD

[dense violet]

gross. building someone else's factories and systems like that. Having someone else's rail dictate where your factories go

might as well just mega print everything and call it a day

[cunning glade]

It doesn't dictate where my factorys go?

I just connect too it and go on my day

[reef basin]

still, the point is that I want to play the game, not someone else

[dense violet]

sure it does, even subconciously, 'I have rail there, factories go here'

[cunning glade]

Like I said that's fair but it's still an option and a good one

[cunning glade]

Uh no

[dense violet]

but like greeny pointed out , even setting up your own world train lines before you put up your factories is like pre planning. Generally a waste

[silk ocean]

Whole debate could be said to be a bit pointless anyway, there is no right or wrong in Satisfactory, play how you like XD

[cunning glade]

I go I want factory here and then connect the train too the global network

Normally the resources dictate the factory

[dense violet]

ah yes, I was forgetting I was talking to the master of the subconcious >.>

[cunning glade]

I don't build the factory right next too it

A it happens too already be there

And b I build near the ore

[cunning glade]

Yes mainly a waste of time hence why I pointed out megaprints for it

[silk ocean]

Only nuisance with trains is that I think there is too much downtime loading/unloading, but that can be overcome with double belts and buffers

[reef basin]

waste of time because you don't know what you'll need in the future. megaprint doesn't help with that

[shy mulch]

I disagree with not building a rail network. I find it a lot of fun, and the main point of a rail network is that it is easy to expand. Build a loop that goes through every biome. Then when you need resources to go from one place to another place, it's a very simple train station at source, train station at destination, connect them to your loop and you're done

[reef basin]

which makes the train routes horribly inefficient, having to around the island

[cunning glade]

Meh not true I wanted too build one and ik where it needed too go and how I kinda wanted it it was still a pain and was gonna be a lot of time so🤷

Maybe my brain just works bad but me like

[silk ocean]

Trains barely use any power when up to speed, 25MW give or take, they mostly just cruise along, so a longer route doesn't really matter all that much. It's worse if they have to start-stop a lot

[cunning glade]

Anyways I finally escaped the addiction after 8 hours I'm gonna go smoke and play something

[shy mulch]

If you have a large amount of trains, keeping them regimented becomes more important than raw efficiency. Having them going all over the place on loads of different lines is bound to cause blockages that can only be solved by signals up to a point. If they are all going round the same loop, it acts like a highway, much reduced starting and stopping, and any issues of throughput can be very easily mitigated by adding some extra carriages

[cunning glade]

I wanna test Forza horizon 5 on my LG g5 I think

Last time I had a LG c1

800 peak too 2400 peak brightness it should look decent

This game looks amazing on g5

If only my screenshots didn't take in .exr format

[reef basin]

I didn't say to not build rail network. I said to not build it in advance

[shy mulch]

Meh, I'll still build in advance. I already know that it'll go around all biomes eventually, so might as well just do it in 1 go

[silk ocean]

If you build a perimeter / multibiome skeleton rail network ahead of time, pretty much guaranteed you'll use it in the future

[reef basin]

and pretty much guaranteed you'd have more efficient rails if you didn't

[shy mulch]

I value clear consistent paths higher than efficiency, since I can offset any efficiency losses by just having slightly longer trains

[silk ocean]

Not really because of the scale of the network there is no way you're just going to make a spiderweb of rails to every individual location ahead of time, just build the core trunk routes and do the rest as-and-when

[reef basin]

you have clear and consistent paths in my case tho?

[shy mulch]

then what's the disadvantage to building them as soon as you know what they are going to be

[reef basin]

if you know where you'll need them, that's not building in advance

[silk ocean]

Err xD

Kinda is

[shy mulch]

I know where I'll need them at the exact moment I unlock trains. I won't actually be using them until later

[reef basin]

my point with "in advance" is "before you know where you'll have which factories"

which is what many people do, they build random loops around island or connect random places and then come here with "my trains suck"

[silk ocean]

Having a load of track is also a good thing because you can take sections out of service, to add intersections etc, and trains won't be stopped, they will take an alternate route

[reef basin]

or I can just add a bypass quickly

[silk ocean]

Could do, just more work, I can delete a section of track for 5 minutes. Doesn't interrupt deliveries, factory carries on as usual

[reef basin]

it's not more work. Your "less work" doesn't count the fact that you had to build it before. It's same amount of work (or more work on your end if you build excess)

[silk ocean]

They use links and routes that serve other things, it's a shared network. They're not using links that I specifically had to build just so I could do maintenance on another part of the network

[reef basin]

links which you built in advance, meaning you already spent the time for "more work", I'm just spending it on demand instead. Same result

[silk ocean]

Chances are not, in most cases they would use links that were build at the time for a specific purpose

[cunning siren]

Ahhhh, panic room blueprint saves the day again

[reef basin]

the same chance is for my approach 🤷

[silk ocean]

The vast majority of the network, like 80%+ has been built on a need for basis

Admittedly some interlinks I built are barely used, I thought they would be more popular but turned out not to be. Although they still stand as a backup route

When it comes to trains, they are the least of my concerns when it comes to efficiency. It's my derp-level capabilities building the actual factory XD

[split cosmos]

Did they fix the pipeline junctions?

[reef basin]

fix what? the orientation issue?

[grim ermine]

Which issue?

[silk ocean]

I can't recall encountering junction issues

[true mulch]

Wasn't there a bug that junctions extend head lift

[cunning siren]

What's the point of nobelilsk once explosive rebar? 🤔 Dumping the detonator frees up a slot too

[true mulch]

There are other types of nobelisks

[grim ermine]

Detonating is cooler than shooting rebar

[silk ocean]

You might change your mind when you get cluster/nuke nobelisks xD

[frail sleet]

No

Wasn't there a bug that junctions extend head lift

Yes, if junctions don't have all four of their pipe connections at the same height, then the height of 2 of them will be incorrectly calculated. The particular 2 depends on how it's rotated. This can result in wrongly prioritising/deprioritising certain connections (e.g. VIP junction), preventing outflow through connections when the junction isn't "overfilled" despite them being supposed to have partial flow at lower fill levels, and creation of infinite headlift without pumps

Workaround is to only use junctions horizontally (all 4 connections at the same height, e.g. as they're placed on a flat foundation below you)

[silk ocean]

Not really a game-breaking bug tbf

[frail sleet]

Not gamebreaking but breaks some fluid systems without a clear explanation as to why, and makes others work when they shouldn't really work.

If/when they fix this, it's better to have your previous builds not having unknowingly relied on the junction bug to function properly.

It's also prudent to avoid it so that you don't accidentally make two fluid systems which look almost identical, but have one of them work great while the other one doesn't work because the junction is accidentally rotated 90 or 270 degrees compared to the other one. As it has axis of symmetry, a junction at +90 degrees looks almost identical to one at +0 degrees. We're "lucky" that there is a visual identification via a weld mark, but you won't see it if you don't know what to look for

[silk ocean]

Always use them on foundations I guess

Has it been fixed, that's the question, maybe it has

[frail sleet]

There haven't been any fluid or pipe/junction changes since at least 1.0 (1yr) AFAIK

[silk ocean]

Keep them all level then would be my thought

[deep solstice]

Would that affect gas? I had some weird issues a few months ago with rocket fuel.. If it just caused head lift issues then I would guess not.

[mortal ginkgo]

gas got no headlift calculations in it

[deep solstice]

That is why I figured it wouldn’t affect it, but figured I would ask! 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

95% of the time it is not your fault and this wacky system should be wacked away all together but probably too late so

in DSP discord, we always say this: just overproduce at least slightly.

[deep solstice]

Yeah, that is what I ended up doing, to avoid fluctuations

[mortal ginkgo]

Exactly. As much as I understand the frustration of pipes not piping and acting hectic as much as my dad, I don't get this "I got 600 fluid 100% ALL the time or I riot!" mentality of some few folk has.

Even if devs solved everything code wise, there is this multithreading of the functionality and how different CPUs can compute such things. In the end, "just make lil more bro" is the answer

At worst, one Water Extractor will stop for a second EVERY 5 HOUR and restart due to too much water.

THE HORROR

[reef basin]

at worst, it can affect other parts of production, and if those are sensitive on running at 100%, might even brick your entire setup

[mortal ginkgo]

I/We are talking about providing fuel to generators and trying to make it 100% efficient with fuel input.

[reef basin]

I know

[mortal ginkgo]

Hence the water extractor example, where getting too much water isn't a big deal if all it does is stopping the water extractors.

[reef basin]

getting too much fuel on the other hand

[mortal ginkgo]

I have no idea how getting too much fuel that a fuel generator can't burn is a bad thing.

[reef basin]

because fuel has byproducts

and in cases where the byproduct isn't sinked or the setup that uses the byproducts is sensitive, it can break that

[mortal ginkgo]

a setup of packaging of fuel so that it can be overflowed somewhere else if fuel gens can't keep up is a lack of "using what game provides you".

hell, even valves can handle that

if one wants to be "lazy" about it

[reef basin]

obviously you can answer "just build the setup properly so that it doesn't break", to which I answer "just build the pipes properly so that you don't have to produce excess"

[mortal ginkgo]

Wrong. I can't tell someone to pipe properly, because the system is so wacky its not even funny.

However, I tell someone how to do a safe overflow setup for fuel and such that can't be "lets say, valved around".

Packagers solve it.

[reef basin]

the system isn't wacky if you understand how it works

and given that it's very much possible to pipe properly, as seen by countless saves and people who show those...

[mortal ginkgo]

Good. Now you go tell that to 90% of the community and reddit posts about where someone says exact X works for them while the other says exact X does not exactly work for them but Y works but then someone says Y doesn't work but Z SUREL WORKS YOU STUPID PEOPLE YOU GOT SKILL ISSUES and someone else says Z didn't work but X works and they don't know why and the infinite loop begins.

[dense violet]

because they use unreliable set up quite often? with valves and buffers?

[mortal ginkgo]

There is a guy literally who pipes 2 water extractor to a fully overclocked nuclear and some of his nuclear plants are fine while others.

[dense violet]

or just other unreliable ways of piping

[naive rampart]

should I complete Milestone 2 or focus on the Space Elevator?

[reef basin]

let me guess, piping upwards and feeding from the bottom?

[reef basin]

your choice, there's not really much "should" in this game

[dense violet]

really up to you 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

let me humour you and say, yes. So what?

I use that setup all the time and it works. What are you trying to defend here?

It is the simplest system ever he has.

[dense violet]

there was a small bug related to that a short while ago

[mortal ginkgo]

2 water extractors, 1 nuclear power plant.

600 out, 600 in.

Whats so hard that it supposed to be? Why the same setup works in for some nuclears and not for some that gets starved after a couple of hours?

[alpine sigil]

Guys I wrote a college essay about satisfactory but my counselor said I shouldn’t submit it

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean... too little info. But hey, maybe you shouldn't if they told you so.

[reef basin]

vertical junctions depend on orientation

[mortal ginkgo]

you are trying to defend an extremely complicated and buggy mess of a system giving no justifications at all.

we don't need a 20 page manual for belts but for pipes?
nothing in this game is ever realistic with all the flying foundations and mixup of zones as if we are playing Nightreign yet fluids has to be this ULTIMATE REALISM where its not even realistic as irl sloshing doesn't work that way?

but let me humour you once again and for the last time.

his pipes were blueprinted. exact same setup for all his Nuclear Plants, yet he had issues with some Nuclears while some Nuclears were starved water only after hours.

You dont get a 5 hour + buffer in a system where it is wrong in the first place. You either clear out the buffer fast (overclocked Nuclear PLANT) or it simply supposed to work.

Again, this is not rocket science, we are not trying to make a Particle Collider irl. This is just simply "2 Water Extractors feeding Nuclear Plant, all OWed and they are DIRECTLY closeby."

It is ok to say WRONG things about a game you love. I love this game too.

It doesn't justify water not watering.

I ain't here to dodge issues.

[limpid cairn]

It’s only an issue if you use HOR byproduct as fuel

If you just make a dedicated fuel plant it’s not a big deal usually

[mortal ginkgo]

Noted. I am still scared of this HOR alt recipes and want to wait until I get chungus Blender.

[limpid cairn]

HOR might be the best alt recipe, it’s legit heaven

[mortal ginkgo]

Whats hell for me is putting 345908305983094535 fuel gens. 😛

[limpid cairn]

So much purple liquid you can use

[mortal ginkgo]

how about we a manly man alpha 100% pure male and use HOR as vehicle fuel only?

to prove our point? to send a message? to fight the system?

[limpid cairn]

can you even use HOR as fuel for vehicles?

[mortal ginkgo]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Packaged_Heavy_Oil_Residue

Yep

[silk ocean]

Can you imagine actually burning heavy oil residue in vehicles, it's like tar. It would be horrendous XD

The stench and mess

[mortal ginkgo]

Brotherman we got people fueling their all Drones with plutonium rods. I think bad smell would be the last possible worry of ours 😄

[silk ocean]

lol

[limpid cairn]

not our problem, its the problem of the car mechanic 🤷‍♀️

[silk ocean]

True that xD

[rustic pier]

Do meltdowns actually happen or does everything just stop with nuclear lol

[silk ocean]

Just stops xD

Meltdowns would be kinda fun tho

[rustic pier]

Theyre so loud xD i hate going to my refinerys/fuel gens

[mortal ginkgo]

Some people in reddit pretend its a nuclear meltdown by exploding nuclear obelisks closeby which has a cloud so

[rustic pier]

Ah, thats funny.

[silk ocean]

It's just molten fuel going downwards

[mortal ginkgo]

WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW HOW I FEEL NEAR MY 16 COAL GENERATORS IN THIS FINE DAY AGE AND ECONOMY MY DEAR BROTHERMAN?!

[silk ocean]

You might not even have any clue that a reactor is melting from the outside

[rustic pier]

I know i have close to that at the moment and im contemplating adding a few more. My total consumption outstrips my total capacity, but the actual consumption is about half the production due to backups on items i dont use alot now

[limpid cairn]

ngl i kinda dislike ionized fuel

the upward velocity speed is kinda too fast for me

[sullen gull]

Just taaap it in....

Feather the spacebar..

[mortal ginkgo]

I say either make compact coal, or just go through until you get fuel gen

[limpid cairn]

still too much

im way to used to LBF

[hard ivy]

It takes a while to get used to it. The higher speed requires shorter and less frequent taps

[feral geyser]

You won't be saying that when hogs and stingers are coming at you full bore.

[mortal ginkgo]

He won't be saying anything when he sees the range of green stinger's vertical jump kek

[feral geyser]

Exactly, try getting out of that range quickly with LBF lol.

[limpid cairn]

i have power pretty much everwhere

hoverpack my fav <3

[cosmic sparrow]

is it better to have larger belt spaces or is it better to just get those resources in the machine ASAP

ik it probably wouldnt matter after resources start getting to the end of the belt

[feral geyser]

I don't like long exposed belts, I hide them under the ceiling and make them as direct as possible to the machines.

[limpid spire]

Yeah it doesnt matter, the flow is the same. What matters is load balancer vs manifold

[feral geyser]

Yeah, there's one obviously right solution there

😏

[limpid spire]

I just manifold everything because I leave the game running in the background, if I really care I'll manually feed

[spark plover]

I wonder if console will support keyboard and mouse

anyway how is everyone doing today

[rustic hare]

really horrible, haven't gotten any satisfactory for 16 days

[mystic oriole]

You mean...
I can't get no satisfactory.

[feral geyser]

WHEN I'M DRIVING IN MY CAR
AND A MAN COMES ON AND TELLS ME
HOW STRAIGHT MY PIPES SHOULD
BUT HE CAN'T BE A MAN CUZ HE DOESN'T SHOW
HOW HIS PIPES LOOK TO ME
I CAN'T GET NO

[mystic oriole]

hey hey hey

[limpid cairn]

understandable game is kinda shitty atm

@obsidian zodiac when is 1.2 dropping we need new content

[rustic hare]

game isn't, my life is

[limpid cairn]

the game is your life, whats the difference...? 🤔

[echo mulch]

Is there any know issues/bugs with using a PS controller with the game??

[honest marlin]

Anybody else missing the Dev Streams?

Any idea when they'll be returning?

[mortal ginkgo]

but brother, how about the straight belt end support that is slightly rotated?

ISNT THAT WORTH OF MENTION IN THESE DIRE TIMES OF ECONOMY BROTHERMAN?!?!?!?!

[feral geyser]

I don't people or things for not being straight, okay 😒

Love is love

[jolly belfry]

I'm starting to see why hiring a Plumber is so expensive. These fluid mechanics are complicated

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, if real life water acted like this game's, I can assure you nobody would be drinking water lol

"Hey let me slosh UPWARDS towards the mouth."

[amber merlin]

Hi, i wanted to finally start my own megafactory and dont even know how to start. I know that i want to produce every item in the game, but how do i decide how much of each should i produce?

[twilit vale]

Yeah my brain fries trying to baby the fluids to were I want them to go

[mortal ginkgo]

if you think it is too troublesome, just provide more fluid than intended. You need 200 water? Send 210.

[twilit vale]

I try to do that, but for an old power plant design, the pipe junctions were causing a lot of problems

[feral geyser]

Always operate just below pipe speed

[mortal ginkgo]

^works too

[twilit vale]

I fixed the design now, but I’m still salty about those lost 4 hours

[stiff vessel]

35 more days til my console pleb self can finally scratch this games itch

[jolly belfry]

Produce every item as in "I want it to be part of a production chain" or "I want it to be the final result"?

[amber merlin]

i want it to be the fional

[dense violet]

what's the issue you're having? they're actually really simple if you keep the pipes simple

[dense violet]

plug in what you want in here at the end https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

you'll probably need to turn off the conversion recipes

[jolly belfry]

I was messing around with resource wells and trains, and just spent like an hour hunting to see why I was having a throughput issue

[dense violet]

gas or liquids?

[jolly belfry]

That, plus the fact that valves didn't behave the way I expected them to

[dense violet]

avoid valves

[jolly belfry]

Liquid. I was using an oil resource well

[dense violet]

how were you buffering the platforms?

[jolly belfry]

I wasn't until just now. That's where my problem lied

[dense violet]

right, that's a train issue, not a fluid issue.

[dense violet]

use one of these at both loading and unloading, with the pump pointing in the appropriate direction

prob best to make a BP of one #design-and-architecture message

copy them exactly. I don't say that because there's only one specific way of doing it, but if you don't totally understand it you'll probably break them

or at least have a decent chance of breaking them

Also: don't use this for gas. Package that if you're going to train them

[jolly belfry]

Why, by the way?

[dense violet]

they have mechanics that aren't apparent, don't actually stop back flow and are a bad way of managing throughput

because the machines consuming the fluid already control throughput

same with fluid buffers in basically all instances apart from trains. While you can do things with them, there are simpler more reliable methods of doing those things w/o them

the main rule about pipes: keep it simple

if you need X fluid per minute fed to a section? have a set of machine make X fluid pm sent directly there w/o splits or mergers. Again, not impossible to do splits and merges but it can be tricky if you aren't comfy with trouble shooting systems.

[jolly belfry]

That's how I usually do it, but I can't entirely control the amount produced by the resource wells

[dense violet]

those should be putting out a static volume?

[jolly belfry]

I have a train carrying four fluid freight cars (all containing oil) with different amounts bring it over to the main factory. I would have the capacity to technically put all of that oil into two train cars, but the pipework needed for it would be pretty ugly and tedious. I designed different parts of the factory at a time to keep it simple.

[dense violet]

seems fine? as long as you don't go over the througphput of each platform and haven't merged all the outputs together and splitting them up again in a mess?

if you wanted to split them up equally I'd put them through packagers and unpackagers , that way you could very precisely divide up the oil among the platforms

or at that point just move packaged oil and return the empties

[jolly belfry]

Oh, the factory is running fine by now, just telling sharing details about my process

[dense violet]

ah so you fixed the buffering issue

well just as a thing, for trains either solid or liquid you essentially always need a buffer to maintain throughput

[tranquil maple]

Me when I want to redo my power plant control room's design but that also means redoing the wiring

[cursive totem]

is there a way to have inclines for rails auto connect? #screenshots message

[jolly belfry]

Yup, in my case it was literally just placing down a fluid buffer for all of them. That's pretty much what all of my problems boil down to. My issue before that was literally caused by a single, 2m long mk1 conveyor.
#satisfactory message

[dense violet]

it's not connecting because the section connecting is too short I believe

[dense violet]

cooool sleep time for me, glad it's working

[cursive totem]

yeah but if i make more space for the lenght, it wont connect because its too far away 😭

[jolly belfry]

Sleep well

[dense violet]

shortest rail length should be 1.5 foundations. Make it like 2 and you should be fine

if that doesn't work just hand craft the hill, it's not the end of the world

[cursive totem]

thats what i did: #screenshots message

its too far away then

alright got it. just added 1m on each end then it connects and is long enough

#screenshots message

[prime rampart]

HOW DO I GET GAS FILTER??

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch gas filter

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=gas+filter

[rustic pier]

Oh i am running all my fuel generators on turbo fuel at the moment. Lol have the ability to go nuclear just havent invested in it

[limpid cairn]

whats the best way to merge 3 belts into 2?

3 splitters and 2 mergers?

like for pipes as an exmaple

[silk ocean]

or I guess if you have the belt capacity could theoretically be 1 merger 1 splitter

[limpid cairn]

2100 items per minute dont fit into 1 belt

[silk ocean]

Not gonna work if it's 2100 no XD

[limpid cairn]

tbh i have to split the 2100 belt into 3 lines actually

how smart is it transporting 1200 items per minute with a drone?

[silk ocean]

Not very XD

[hard ivy]

depends on the stack size

[silk ocean]

Is it even possible with a 100 stack size?

[hard ivy]

the max transfer rate of a single drone is 5 stacks/min

theoretically

in practice, even at 0 distance it'll probably gonna be 4-4.5ish

but you can double that by using 1 drone per port, not per pair

[silk ocean]

So it would need to be a stack size of like 250 and I think the next step from 200 is 500 stacks? Seems not viable unless that

[hard ivy]

you could theoretically do 1200 with 200 stack size with 2 drones up to like 2, maybe 3 km distance

[limpid cairn]

so all i need is theoretically more drones?

[silk ocean]

OR....

moar trains 😄

[hard ivy]

I mean yeah, more drones = more throughput

[prime rampart]

i fucking hate trains

[hard ivy]

but you'll need more ports too

[silk ocean]

lol

[limpid cairn]

im not laying a new train track for that

its legit not even close to my current train track, since its on a mountain

the uranium mountain to be exact

in the desert

[silk ocean]

I was only stoking the fires of doom 😉

[limpid cairn]

how smart is it to convert coal into sulfur?

[silk ocean]

Try 3 drones as KYO suggests

There's loads of sulphur around the map, is it necessary?

[toxic spruce]

Guys the Satisfactory pre download on xbox just got a 9gb update

[limpid cairn]

no but i have like 10 coal nodes next to me

and 2 sam nodes

@silk ocean@hard ivy so basically i place 3 new drone ports that go to the sulfur drone port and back right?

[hard ivy]

it is a waste of SAM. but if you're not planning to do matrices, ficsonium or too many spelevator parts, it's not like it's gonna be an issue

[silk ocean]

Yes sounds about right

If they can do round-trip fuel depending what you're using you might get away just fueling them at the drop-off port

[limpid cairn]

all ports have fuel dw

apparently the first drone hat an output rate of 240 p/m

ill be back in 5-10 min and say more about it

[silk ocean]

Might be needing 5 ports 😉

[limpid cairn]

I might just import my power shards and craft ionised fuel atp

For fuel

[frail sleet]

did you put drone from A to B as well as B to A?

[limpid cairn]

yes

[silk ocean]

Just leaving this here, totally unrelated, ignore XD

[limpid cairn]

uhm

my belt clogged up with 240x3 input

[silk ocean]

Which belt, Mk.5 ?

780/min belt? Should be able to carry that

[limpid cairn]

mk6

[silk ocean]

Definitely should be able to

[limpid cairn]

i found the issue

merger was flyijng in the air but wasnt connected to the belt somehow

[silk ocean]

Hidden slowbelt in the merger?

Ah

[plush sandal]

sorry to be a bother but how does one submit bug report XD the strangest thing just happened to me

[silk ocean]

Bugsite I guess?

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @hard ivy

[plush sandal]

awesome

[silk ocean]

I noticed that site still says 1.0 top right xD

[jolly belfry]

Anyone got some tips on improving my throughput when I transport items via the Personell Elevator?

[limpid cairn]

technically theres no difference between 1.1 and 1.0...

[silk ocean]

There are some technical differences xD

[limpid cairn]

the elevator has a storage system and can throughput items?

[silk ocean]

Changes to dedicated server ports for example

[prime rampart]

how do i not ghet damaged by uranium radation?

[tranquil maple]

Hazmat suit

Tier 7

[prime rampart]

ok ty

[silk ocean]

and filters for the mask

Iodine Filters

[prime rampart]

oh

[silk ocean]

Iodine-Infused Filter, technically called

[prime rampart]

how much mg does one nuclear power plant produce

[silk ocean]

2500

[prime rampart]

how expensive is it

[silk ocean]

Fuel cost?

[tranquil maple]

Or materials?

[prime rampart]

materials

excluding uranium

[silk ocean]

10x Supercomputer Supercomputer
25x Heavy Modular Frame Heavy Modular Frame
100x Alclad Aluminum Sheet Alclad Aluminum Sheet
200x Cable Cable
250x Concrete Concrete

[tranquil maple]

#screenshots

[silk ocean]

Not sure why it doubled up the words in my copy/paste but you get the idea

[prime rampart]

OH MY GOD

[tranquil maple]

Wut?

[prime rampart]

this super computer is burning my mg like crazy

5fuel generators and like 9coal

[tranquil maple]

Mhm

Thats kinda the point

[prime rampart]

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CRAFT THEM

[tranquil maple]

APA's

And sanity

[prime rampart]

whats apa

[tranquil maple]

Alien power augmenter

[prime rampart]

i cant craft it

[silk ocean]

They're relatively easy to craft

[tranquil maple]

U unlock in MAM with somesloops

[prime rampart]

yea ik i have 8sommersloops

[tranquil maple]

So go to the alien tech tree of the mam

[prime rampart]

i need 10 to craft the apa

[tranquil maple]

Yep

Go find more

Its worth it promise

[prime rampart]

what do u input in it?

[tranquil maple]

Spoiler: ||Alien power matrixes, tier 9 unlock||

[prime rampart]

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO POWER IT

[tranquil maple]

You dont

It powers itself

It just makes power

[prime rampart]

so no need to input anything?

[tranquil maple]

Nope

[prime rampart]

can i plcae it anywhere>'

[silk ocean]

You don't have to input anything but if you feed it Alien Power Matrix it further enhances the augmentation

[tranquil maple]

The ||matrixes|| just boost the power augmentation

[prime rampart]

ohh

[silk ocean]

I just ruined your spoiler Pasta xD

[prime rampart]

how FINALLY FOUND SOMMERSLOOPS

[tranquil maple]

😭 😭

[placid stirrup]

It enhances the augmentation by boosting the surplus

[prime rampart]

i dont understand ts

[silk ocean]

Just plop them for now, don't worry about the matrix's

[tranquil maple]

place it down, free 550 mw

[placid stirrup]

Milligrams of what?

[prime rampart]

550mg

[tranquil maple]

megawatts

[prime rampart]

thats so little but so good

[placid stirrup]

1/2 on the units then

[tranquil maple]

and the augmentation is ur entire grid, so if you have a grid of 1 gw it will be an enxtra 100mw

[tranquil maple]

i mistyped 😭

[placid stirrup]

I started foaming at the mouth seeing the APA after launching nuclear

[tranquil maple]

lmao

[hard ivy]

it's still 1/2 because it's MW, not mw

[tranquil maple]

bro what 😭

[placid stirrup]

Ohm my goodness what did I start

[silk ocean]

Not metre watts xD

Even tho watts should also be W

[placid stirrup]

He's just trying to resist convention

[silk ocean]

Not sure if there is an SI for lower case W

[prime rampart]

can place it anywhere?

[hard ivy]

I haven't seen one, no

even non-SI

[silk ocean]

mhm yea same

[tranquil maple]

man wut is happening?

[prime rampart]

uh it gives 150mg?

[placid stirrup]

Nerd convention is in town

[placid stirrup]

That's a damn strong edible

[silk ocean]

Have to get these things right you know.... NASA have crashed satellites into planets by using incorrect units XD

[prime rampart]

huh

how hard to build nuclear power plants?

[silk ocean]

If you stick to Uranium, reprocess it and sink the Plutonium, it's not too bad

[hard ivy]

very easy. though fueling them will be a bit more complicated XD

[placid stirrup]

The logistics are fairly complex, it uses a lot of resources any way you cut it

[silk ocean]

The support factories are probably more work than the plant itself

[placid stirrup]

Just bad enough

[prime rampart]

what fuel do they use

uranium and water?

[hard ivy]

fuel rods. uranium, plutonium or ficsonium. plus water

[prime rampart]

so i can use uranium and water?

[silk ocean]

Not raw Uranium.. Fuel Rods

[hard ivy]

uranium fuel rods, not straight uranium. but yes

[prime rampart]

ok i see

very easy yall havent seen my factories

[placid stirrup]

Then share one

[prime rampart]

#screenshots

dont mind the belts

[placid stirrup]

Cute 🙂

[prime rampart]

LAST SUPER COMPUTER FOR NUCLEAR POWER!!!!!!

[prime rampart]

is it good thats organized for me

[silk ocean]

Floaty

[prime rampart]

very

first playthrough

is it good?

[silk ocean]

Very good for 1st play

[placid stirrup]

This is one of mine
#streams-and-videos message

[prime rampart]

yea ill never build these factories

[prime rampart]

ty ty

[placid stirrup]

1k hours later

[prime rampart]

i have 60hours

[placid stirrup]

I'm saying never say never

[prime rampart]

oh

[silk ocean]

Nice... cool music too

[prime rampart]

YAY NUCLEAR POWER DONE

[placid stirrup]

In 5 minutes?

[meager fern]

catastrophic nuclear meltdown incoming

[prime rampart]

does anybody know good uranium nodes for nuclear plants?

close to water probably

[placid stirrup]

Right corner of the mouth or left eye

[prime rampart]

NO ITS SWAMP

[silk ocean]

North West

[placid stirrup]

It's by water

[placid stirrup]

That's what I said

[silk ocean]

Missed that xD

[prime rampart]

uh wheres the node

[placid stirrup]

Check SCIM

[silk ocean]

See that mega high rock?

On top of that XD

[prime rampart]

Oh

[silk ocean]

Happy climbing xD

[prime rampart]

is it where the uhhh waterfall is

[placid stirrup]

slaps down hyper cannon BP

[prime rampart]

nahhhhhhhhhh FOUNDATIONS

[meager fern]

i just use powerlines

[placid stirrup]

I'll wait for you at the top then

[prime rampart]

uhhhh

could i show u guys this

am i in the correct place?

[lunar warren]

should i play should i play survival or creative?

[lunar warren]

idk prob

[dense matrix]

chat

how does one make large logos

but well

[prime rampart]

HELP ME

[silk ocean]

You North West?

[prime rampart]

i think idk

[dense matrix]

checkout the interactive map, it shows you where nodes are

[placid stirrup]

Survival, the way the game was intended

[silk ocean]

You can't miss it, it's the highest tower rock in the land

[lunar warren]

okie dokie

[placid stirrup]

In a BPer, you can use large signs or pixel art

[prime rampart]

does it have a waterfall?

[silk ocean]

Lemme cannon there

[prime rampart]

u there?

[silk ocean]

See screenshots

[prime rampart]

uhh

ok

[placid stirrup]

Dat boi

[silk ocean]

xD

[prime rampart]

i died

i make cannon wait

OH GOD ITS SO HIGH UP

[silk ocean]

"Happy climbing"... I did say so XD

[prime rampart]

nah ramps 4m easy

one node=how many nuclear plants

[placid stirrup]

How many iron plates can you make from one iron node?

[limpid cairn]

depends on alt recipes

and what kind of node

[prime rampart]

HOW HIGH IS THIS

[hollow swift]

Hi, im new to the game and i want to ask if anyone can help to make my constructors and Assemblers 100percent efficient

[red sun]

all it boils down to really is match the outputs of one set of machines to the inputs of the next

[placid stirrup]

Compare the speed at which items are made vs the input resources to the system. SFTools will do this for you for more complicated productions

[prime rampart]

ITS IMPURE

[red sun]

yes, can recommend sftools

[hollow swift]

SFTtools?

[limpid cairn]

the only normal nodes are in the red forest

[red sun]

mhm, it's a calculator that plans out the entire production line. how many smelters, constructors, etc etc you need to produce a final item
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

also remember you can underclock machines to make them use less power for a specific, lower output

[prime rampart]

R there pure nodes ?

[hollow swift]

I LOVE YOU, this gonna help me a lot, cause im playing with a friend and he is bitching around and he wants it 100percent efficient. Cause IT IS A SIMPLE math. Well im monkey then. Thank youu

[placid stirrup]

Steep learning curve btw, your options and selections must be precise to see the output you desire

[limpid cairn]

no

[red sun]

the math is pretty easy but it can be hard to keep track of. that tool is invaluable to SO many people. glhf

[prime rampart]

Uh idek

[limpid cairn]

would be way to complicated xD

[prime rampart]

I got a wuestion how to make uranium nodes?

[red sun]

yeah it does take a little to learn to use properly but it's not super complex

[prime rampart]

Ive never used any math thingy to do my math my favorite subject is math i literally calculate everything in my head

[limpid cairn]

5 in total 3 impure 2 normal

[red sun]

i usually use a pen and paper to plan everything out

[prime rampart]

Fuel rods i meant

[red sun]

i don't use sftools so much now but it's definitely useful

[limpid cairn]

youll need it later for the game since the crafting recipes get WAY to large

[prime rampart]

Its like just plus and minus

[limpid cairn]

!wikisearch uranium

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=uranium

[red sun]

it's less calculating and more keeping track of everything, especially with really big and/or circular production lines

comes a point where it's just too much to juggle in your head

[prime rampart]

NO WAIT I NEED SULFURIC ACID FOR THIS SHIT BRO THESE LOQUIDSSSS

[limpid cairn]

(you dont)

[prime rampart]

Ibsee

[silk ocean]

You need about 5 or 6 supplies

Especially for reprocessing

[prime rampart]

What is this wiki

[limpid cairn]

alt recipes exist

[prime rampart]

No waste going into delete thingy

[limpid cairn]

doesnt work

[prime rampart]

Bro what

[limpid cairn]

you cant sink waste

[silk ocean]

You have to reprocess to sink dude xD

[meager fern]

waste has to be dealt with, thats the point

[prime rampart]

Not sink

I meant the thingy u dekete in inventory

[meager fern]

???

[silk ocean]

You can't

[meager fern]

it was also be a really bad idea imo even if you could

[prime rampart]

This game is getting so complicated

[limpid cairn]

not really

[red sun]

welcome to satisfactory mate

[limpid cairn]

automating nuclear waste isnt even that difficult

same for plutonium

[prime rampart]

i couldnt even automate modular engines

[limpid cairn]

youre cooked

phase 4 is annoying to automate because the recipes are imo the largest existing

[meager fern]

not just cooked, burnt

[placid stirrup]

Smoke detector and sprinkler heads got melted

[prime rampart]

I couldve automated it but because my friend explored and got resourfes so i just soammed everything together

[limpid cairn]

At least phase 4 barely needs any recipes from phase 3

At least I can’t remember anything besides HMF

[prime rampart]

THANK GOD

NOOO NOT HMF

[placid stirrup]

Mostly aluminum, right.

[limpid cairn]

yeah

[prime rampart]

ALUMinum is fun but my transportation aint working

[limpid cairn]

It’s not fun at all

[prime rampart]

My trains cant fucking read block signals

TRAIN THERE MEAN STOP (nro continues)

do i need path signals now

[placid stirrup]

Have you considered ebcak?

[prime rampart]

Whats that

[limpid cairn]

No?

You can run entire train tracks on just block signals

[prime rampart]

I have a question i uave 2 freight platform could like this train go to this freight and this train goes to this freight from one station or do i need another station

[limpid cairn]

Path signals just make junctions etc more efficient

[prime rampart]

oh

I have block signals on the like thingy when they seprste

But when they go to the station my block signals dont work

[limpid cairn]

If you have problems / struggle with trains #1038092680493801533 is your place 😛

[prime rampart]

1railway into 2 railways thats what i meant

[placid stirrup]

Don't put signals right on junctions

[prime rampart]

uh could they read from far away?

[prime rampart]

hell no

[placid stirrup]

There's some weird logic that can make them think they're looped on themselves

[limpid cairn]

Any reason?

[prime rampart]

Uh like they can read from far away block signals right?

[prime rampart]

uh idk long time for respone

[limpid cairn]

You get a response pretty fast lol

[prime rampart]

oh i see