satisfactory

[low monolith]

precisely why it shouldnt be added

[tranquil maple]

Bc you're not inflicting more force on any object, unless you consider the ground an object

[frozen shoal]

it fits the game, I don't see how it doesn't. but that's jsut my opinion. hope they change their mind and add it.

[tranquil maple]

In which case you could technically

[tranquil maple]

it's too broken, and would desentivise getting more advanced power options

[mossy moon]

but the energy used during somehting, its all very weird and cursed, i thought we tyringto convert joules into push ups

[mystic oriole]

I wouldn't mind the skin/texture of solar, added to the game for rooftops. But not the function.

[meager fern]

theres also nothing in the writing that makes ficsit appear to be a company that cares about the enviroment. the game is all about exploiting natural resources and building massive factories

[mossy moon]

mods exist, they are pretty easy to use afaik

[reef basin]

because free infinite energy which is also green energy isn't really what the game is about, and would insanely break balance

[tranquil maple]

Unless you figured out how much heat calorie burn is in joules, we can't

[frozen shoal]

commercial doesn't go on roof tops.

[leaden turret]

August 22nd, 2023 Livestream
Q&A: Will there be energy sources like solar & wind power?
https://youtu.be/WEB9-SgYExg

how we feel it is that there's always like something you need to deal with you know so we call we have to deal with water and that whole process and with the fuel it's like producing the fuel with nuclear it's handling the the waste for nuclear so like we don't want power to be free in the game

[frozen shoal]

commercial and residential panels are even different as a whole.

[mystic oriole]

True, I just like the aesthetic, that's all.

[meager fern]

then it would hurts my feetsies when i walk on my roof

[mossy moon]

mb, i meant watts, so time affects it, (i dont excersise so idk if theres an "industry standard" push up with a time lenght)

[frozen shoal]

agreed. the solid black panels look super slick. I had my wifes moms house setup with 40 panels on battery backiup.

[mossy moon]

didnt jace explain a lot abt a lot of things in that video that goes smth like why were not adding these 10 things

[leaden turret]

6

[mossy moon]

oh ok, its been a while

[meager fern]

hold on a moment. counterpoint to "no free power"
geothermal

boom, arguments destroyed 😎

[frozen shoal]

it wouldn't be free by all means. Devs need to do some research on solar and how it's built and ran. It'd be far from free in the game. But I respect their decisions, hopefully things change in the future. For me, spending time even setting up a nuclear plant and all that is a total waste as there's no benefit from it and you can't do shit with the waste but story it in a storage factory. just the materials you would need to build a battery bank to store the energy. there's definitely a way to work it in where it's just setting up panels and y ou're g2g.

[mystic oriole]

it's unstable 'free power'

[frozen shoal]

oh no it's very stable free power

[leaden turret]

unless you're water-cooling solar panels, solar panels in satisfactory would have zero maintenance, thus running contrary to the design goals of the game

[frozen shoal]

nothing unstable agbout it, you just have to hunt down the greysers and run power to them and boom stable power

[tranquil maple]

It's emergency power, don't rely on it for actual grid power

[meager fern]

so is the wind and sun 😔 the sun isnt always out, and the wind doesnt always blow

[reef basin]

not unlimited

[frozen shoal]

untrue as hell. you have a lot of maitenance. panels, batteriese, inverters, etc etc.

[reef basin]

the main problem with wind/solar is that they are unlimited

[leaden turret]

speaking in terms of game mechanics, not real-world shit.

[frozen shoal]

it's far from that simple. I have commerical solar for my business and residential solar. there's a lot of maintenance that goes into solar that ppl do not have it don't understand.

[tranquil maple]

Dude just give it up, it doesn't go with the games message, nor would it be balanceable

[white dawn]

There's already way more power options than there really needs to be in the game; there's no niche for something like solar power in the game

That said, there's mods which add that sort of thing, should you want it. :)

[leaden turret]

the power system in satisfactory doesn't do transmission loss, no AC/DC inversion either.

[white dawn]

Geothermal can be rushed w/ crash site finds if you want some early "free" power. :)

[frozen shoal]

can't fli p the narativei to fit your agenda. because I can make that arguement about all the power in the game, there's no maintenance at all. especailly with the built in cheats and access to the cheat console by pressing `

[tranquil maple]

That's the beauty of this game, if you want to mod your game to your liking nobody will judge you, nor will they care.

[frozen shoal]

turn on no fuel and boom no maintenace for any power

[leaden turret]

biomass burner maintenance: gotta constantly supply with fuel
coal gen maintenance: gotta constantly supply with fuel and water
nuclear gen maintenance: gotta constantly supply with fuel and water, plus deal with waste
geothermal maintenance: gotta account for fluctuations in output, is also relatively whimpy amount of power across entire map

[nocturne condor]

And i have an invisible tractor that I cant interact with, its just stuck there with a marker...

[frozen shoal]

I haven't used biomaass burners since phase 2

[tranquil maple]

...

Stop pulling arguments outta ur ass

[leaden turret]

person flipping narrative accusing other people of flipping narrative is sign of person having indefensible pov

[feral geyser]

Besides, renewables are antithetical to the point of the game.

[tranquil maple]

Gee its almost like we've been saying that for 10 minutes???

Crazy

[feral geyser]

Exactly

What does he not get?

[nocturne condor]

Counter point. renewables reduce how much you need to rely on bioburners early game, meaning you need to farm less plants and cut down less trees and this can be more productive in factory production over just powering your dang factory and thus increasing employee productivity and speed at which they can transition to bigger factories for MORE productivity before coal

you dont think ficsit would want you to get doing stuff faster?

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory message

[feral geyser]

Counter-counterpoint: ADA considers destroying the environment equally as productive as building a factory

[tranquil maple]

But that's the point, Bio burners are DESIGNED to be as inconvenient as they are to incentivize getting coal and beyond

[meager fern]

counter-counter-counterpoint: that is all

[rustic hare]

what did I just read through lmao

[leaden turret]

counter point: sharp marble corner

[nocturne condor]

Yeah I saw this already and im not talking from a gameplay standpoint. more of a 'you can be more productive faster and do more for the company' not that it should actually be added

[tranquil maple]

counter-counter-counter-counterpoint: Your argument doesn't work bc No.

[rustic hare]

counter point: you haven't got quartz or any semiconductor materials to build solar panels yet at that stage

[meager fern]

we just need them to add a way to destroy the enviroment even more efficiently than chainsaws, to incentivise biomass burners. maybe we should have greenhouses that need water and power to automate biomass

[leaden turret]

rando: I want solar
devs: no
rando: because why
devs: [explains]
rando: you're wrong

[rustic hare]

they could have just commission the creation of a mod or smth instead of just going "no" when the devs say "no"

[tranquil maple]

What we should actually do is place a generator on the core of the planet and farm the heat from it to build project assembky then once the energy has been farmed we leave the planet to rot without an atmosphere

[leaden turret]

mod already exists

[feral geyser]

REFINED POWER

[nocturne condor]

Well yes obviously, if wind and solar power was in the game they cant be perfect, just a transition stage between bioburner and coal. like maybe it produces less energy than a bio burner but in return it doesnt need matiance and is large, clunky, needs space. the point really is just so you can ignore needing to refill the bioburners until you can get to coal. im not saying it should be added simply how it could logically fit into the game. idk how it would be balanced but i was just throwing a funny idea out

[rustic hare]

then what is the complain even about lol

[feral geyser]

Exactly lmao

[leaden turret]

XKCD 386

[feral geyser]

Btw, check #off-topic-general if anyone cares to go there

I didn't wanna derail this convo by asking here

[tranquil maple]

Ur missing the point, a windmill or solar is renuable energy, and despite the ore nodes being infinite, we will eventually use all of the rescource sof the planet

[nocturne condor]

that is a good point made. but wouldnt they prefer you to be able to work faster? as bioburner work is time consuming the more you get done in a short time span the better (and thus technically more ecological destruction)

[leaden turret]

continent

[tranquil maple]

???

[meager fern]

we cant go to other continents, other pioneers are already there 😔

[feral geyser]

Of course they would, but that's on you for being an imperfect little squishy, and not an actual machine. FICSIT doesn't accept that responsibility or blame

[meager fern]

we are on 1 continent on the planet

[rustic hare]

I agree with the devs, the current state of the power is good (if not for rocket fuel being a lil OP)

[leaden dome]

understatement of the century

[leaden turret]

if we gonna get any renewable energy, it should be lizard doggo "exercercise" wheels

[meager fern]

too op, thats gotta be like 1k GW right there

[rustic hare]

xiao main spotted, hello there, been maining him since first banner

[feral geyser]

At least it fits with the EXPLOIT part of our mission lmao

[reef basin]

*1TW

[feral geyser]

1kkMW

[meager fern]

1kMkWk

[rustic hare]

1MMW

[meager fern]

1 Über-watt

[rustic hare]

fight me, but mili should be 1/1000000 because M is Mega (million), so smaller m (mili) should be 1/million

[meager fern]

there are 1 million milimeters in a kilometer

supposedly there are units above kilometer, like the megameter, but i dont believe it

[feral geyser]

Just screw the entire history of Latin roots, i guess

[rustic hare]

gigameter

[meager fern]

yeah it says that the gigameter exists, but i still dont believe it

and the terameter? no way

[feral geyser]

Of course, it does, we just dont use it often

The moon is 384 Mm away

[mossy moon]

why not? its just any prefix and "meter"

[rustic hare]

light year is funny because it's literally speed x time, but speed is distance / time, so it's just distance x time/time

[meager fern]

the world only has a diameter of 12,756 km, we dont need anything above km

[feral geyser]

Astronomy??

[meager fern]

lightyears

[feral geyser]

Come on bruv, I just gave an example

[placid stirrup]

DKm

[feral geyser]

The moon is how many light years away?

[meager fern]

use space metrics for space stuff, not earth stuff

[rustic hare]

light minutes?

[feral geyser]

Not even that, 1.1 light seconds

But it is 384 megameters

[meager fern]

i dont want anyone to say to me that insert planet is "1 gigameter" away from the earth. that would be a death sentence right there

[unkempt blade]

yeah but how long would that take a factory cart driving full speed?

[rustic hare]

I guess from here to the sun can be measured in light minutes then

[feral geyser]

About 2.2 seconds

[feral geyser]

Yeah, 8.3 lm

[meager fern]

see, you can measure things properly if you put your minds to it

thats thinking with your space numbers

[unkempt blade]

we all know those are called kilomegameters when it's a distance thing

[feral geyser]

BTW does the game ever say how far away the Akycha system is from Earth?

[meager fern]

i dont think so

[mossy moon]

0.5 c, very cool, the engineers of this thing need all the awards

(idk if thats how lightspeed is measured)

[meager fern]

that factory cart has to have at least a 200cc motor

[mossy moon]

all it says is we probably need to use ||portal technology|| to get to earth and ||save the day||
(spoilers for game)

[rustic hare]

that's alot of free energy, I definitely think a ficsit cart hamster wheel could work as a renewable generator

[mossy moon]

mmm

how bout cyberturk

[feral geyser]

A Turkish robot

[mossy moon]

mb that was a typo

[unkempt blade]

I was told it could function as a boat but mine sank off the west coast of the map 🙁

[mossy moon]

maybe the "desinged" glass leaked all the water

[feral geyser]

They should make them so that panels fall off while you're driving

They're already so awful to steer

Just lean into it more

[rustic hare]

can a factory cart that's accelerating to .5c within 2 minutes on wheels alone going about the equator generate enough reaction forces to affect the planet's rotation speed

[rustic hare]

the panels should also discolor when parked under trees

[mossy moon]

it will reach escape velocity, but it will also lose grip as it basically starts to orbit the planet

pretty sure thats how it works

[outer hatch]

What if it had really good tires, though

[rustic hare]

just build it an upsidedown track (basically a loop, but as big as the equator itself), and only launch when it's at the right angle and has enough velocity

[mossy moon]

if the tires dont touch the ground then its still capped at orbital velocity (at the surface)

[mossy moon]

clever

spin launch tech with factory carts?

[rustic hare]

cheapest way to fast travel (cross-planetary)

[meager fern]

or you could make one of those SpinLaunch things that they are using to launch things into space

[rustic hare]

just launching a factory cart at .5c at other planets, definitely enough energy to do "some" damage, maybe even blasting planets apart
(anybody got the weight data of a factory cart?)

[nocturne condor]

OK is there anything i can do about a vanished tractor? its still on my minimap and hud but otherwise it seems to be just gone, i can walk through where it parked, cant interact, cant dismantle or anything. or is it just stuck there permanently?

[rustic hare]

have you tried reloading the save?

[nocturne condor]

reloading the save is what got me into this in the first place

[mossy moon]

how do you walk thorugh it if you dont see it?

does the map say its where it was

[rustic hare]

have you tried the scim save editor then?

[nocturne condor]

I know where i parked it/its still on the hud compass

[mossy moon]

can that delete vehicles?

[mossy moon]

it could be underground

right?

[rustic hare]

it could delete my pets so.. probably?

[nocturne condor]

possibly but i still cant interact with it if so

[rustic hare]

I love the game but been too busy lately, 14 days without satiscracktory

[mossy moon]

the interactive map could help

[nocturne condor]

yeah that was mentioned a minute ago, im giving it a try

[mossy moon]

never dealt with trucks or vehicles with the map, but idk

[meager fern]

i'm pretty sure it allows you to delete anything you have placed in the world, even those crates from when you die or things get deconstructed on a full inventory

[mossy moon]

yeah i use it for that one glitched crate that spawns at 0 0 and i tried to find it ingame but i couldnt (ig it was underground), so i just used the map

idk if thats been fixed but it happened a while ago

[meager fern]

im guessing probably not, since i have one of the crates on my map in a place ive never explored

[mossy moon]

is it near the center of the map? if you hover over it, the coords might be 0 0 or the origin

if so then you prob cant access it ingame like my crate

[meager fern]

yup its 0,0

[mossy moon]

yeah you probably dont need to go there and try to colect it bcs you probably cant

keyword: probably

[white dawn]

SCIM would let you reposition or delete it, at least

[meager fern]

yeah its not there

im assuming that if the crate cant be place at a position near you or the thing you deconstructed, it defaults to 0,0

[nocturne condor]

I fixed my tractor, somehow its Z axis became like positve 60K or something like that when it should have been negative 2k

[main aspen]

Are they gonna lower the price now that we are on autumn sales?

[leaden dome]

so it was just flying?

[nocturne condor]

I guess! I have no clue what happened or how, i reloaded my save becuase i accidently died and just. it was gone

[white dawn]

CSS does tend to participate in most of the "big" sales. You can see their past sale participation history at steamdb, as usual: steamdb.info/app/526870/

As with other publishers, though, they don't generally announce in advance which sales they'll participate in

[split turret]

can anyone tell me how to play satisfactory on linux?. i already pre-downloaded on windows and try to play it on linux but it get looped when i click play

[white dawn]

On my system, ever since 1.0, I have to force Vulkan mode by setting the launch args to -vulkan

Not everyone on Linux needs that, but it could be worth a try

[nocturne condor]

anyway first time setting up steel this run, which should i produce extra of? steel pipes, steel beams, encased steel beams?

[white dawn]

IMO, just make whatever you need Right Now. Then when you need more of something later, make more. :)

Which ones you need more of will depend greatly on what recipes you choose, and what rates you build out

[nocturne condor]

I need a bit of everything lol

[white dawn]

Trying to "future-proof" your production is, IMO, largely impossible

[nocturne condor]

I only have base recipes atm, just didnt know if there was one I should make extra off right off the bat

[meager fern]

with my current setup i make 2 pipes, 1 steel beams, 1 encased industrial beams for my very basic setup that isnt part of further production

[white dawn]

You're either going to undershoot (in which case you need to build more anyway), or overshoot (in which case you've "wasted" work, though of course if you had a good time making the factory then the time wasn't really wasted, but I digress)

[split turret]

still not working though

[nocturne condor]

well my planned factory will be.. under preforming for a while i guess until i get what i need for mk2 miners and unlock mk3 belts

[meager fern]

ive found that 1 constructor of steel beams provides more than enough for my belts, although i would have 2 if my nodes were better

[white dawn]

Start a #1038092680493801533 thread with your full specs and any logs that might get generated

[main aspen]

Ok they just changed the price

30% off

perfecttttt

[prime rampart]

finally done with phase3

[peak wasp]

hey hey hey

so 6 x 2.5 is 15 plus one generator is 16

[nocturne condor]

why does steel ingots produce such an awkward number

[peak wasp]

you think about 5.6k mw is enough for most of the game?

[silk ocean]

Doubt it

[meager fern]

probably not

i dont know the numbers, but the only way that would work is maybe if you had the bare minimum

[white dawn]

Soft introduction to get you to stop caring about "awkward" numbers. Numbers just be numbers; you're gonna see far weirder than that by the time you're done. :)

[rustic hare]

pure copper for example

[dawn path]

how long can you make a single elevator ride in this game?

outta curiosity for... dramatic purposes

[meager fern]

not long enough 😔

[dawn path]

infinite elevators mod it is then 👍

[feral geyser]

You can build another one on top of the max height (196m)

[real shale]

Sandwich

[feral geyser]

What i wanna know is what happens if you try to put more floor stops than there are buttons. I assume it just won't let you place more than a certain amount on a single shaft.

[real shale]

I really wish there was voice lines for you spamming the call buttons

Similar to how Ada starts throwing shade at you for researching too quickly in the MAM

[nocturne condor]

set up steel production and my power consumption jumped from like 300 to 580. uhhhh yeah i might need to increase power supply (i have 600 power limit)

[teal geyser]

You only have 600MW of power right now?

[meager fern]

yeah you probably want about 2k

[nocturne condor]

yeah, it was my first set up of coal power this run, it has been doing fine.. up till this point

[meager fern]

theres basically no such thing as too much power once you get to automation

[quick barn]

I'm so stinking hyped for the Xbox/console release!

[teal geyser]

Might need a lot more coal power before you build some decent production lines in tier 3

Good starting number for power being produced could be like 2-3k

[meager fern]

yeah for a mid-size factory that pushed me through phase 2 i was using about 2.7k

[peak wasp]

wait you guys use so much power?

right now I am rebuilding my factory but yeah I am trying to get all my stuff all neat and tidy

[nocturne condor]

Agreed, but i had to get it thrown together as I needed more power so I could support the factory requirment to MAKE more coal power stuff, i didnt have the infrastructure in place to make more water extracters or mass produce coal gens nor pipes.. it was thrown together so I could get all that going and then exapdn power later

[white dawn]

How much power folks use is, of course, directly related to how "big" they build. Power requirements certainly go up as the game progresses, but you can keep your power generation quite small if you intentionally keep it that way

[meager fern]

of course i did have a arms factory going at the same time, stocking up nobelisks and rebar

but i need hundreds of nobelisks

[limber plaza]

yall use alloy iron recipe with the solid steel recipe?

[peak wasp]

I have never really got high high with power despite trying.

[meager fern]

i got that high without really trying, maybe you dont have enough pure nodes?

[peak wasp]

but maybe this time I will get some real power usage going because I wanna make engines and lots of them

[peak wasp]

I mean probably not

I get all my stuff from the plains biome

[meager fern]

I always start in the northern forest, so i have lots of nodes to work with. 4 pure iron nodes to say the least

[peak wasp]

but then again I also don't use the node indiviually either...I end up grouping them together and shipping them to my base

[meager fern]

all of my production is node basically right outside of the node. i dont find much of a benefit to moving the raw material far

but if you are in the plains, alot of your nodes are probably impure, which is 1/4 of a pure node

[peak wasp]

does it matter for me when I am having everything shipped out to blue crater?

or does shipping totally mess up my factories

[cloud verge]

Hey all, I wanted to follow the guide on making an ADA voice but it looks like Google updated their cloud TTS to be AI-generated. Anyone know of a way to access the old one?

[meager fern]

it doesnt mess it up, but it also doesnt really save anything

it works for making a mega factory, but i dont know if making a megafactory is a good idea for a new player. im not saying it isnt, i just dont know

[cloud verge]

(Correction: it looks like Wavenet was in fact using AI generation, but using the older DeepMind model from 2016. The newer stuff uses Gemini.)

[meager fern]

sorry i dont know anything about that stuff

[white dawn]

There's a lot of different things that people might mean when they say "megafactory," so that's a difficult question to answer.

If you are a brand new player, my advice is: Ignore Discord, ignore youtube, ignore streamers. Just play the game, learn, and have fun.

You'll make mistakes; make sure they're your mistakes, not somebody else's mistakes

[meager fern]

i mean having all of the stuff being taken to one location and everything being processed in 1 large building

which is what i thought most people meant by "megafactory"

[white dawn]

My personal opinion is that no matter what you mean by "megafactory," it's better to Not Do That. :) For new players I'll generally recommend https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency instead

[frail sleet]

That's one of the "sounds easier, is actually way harder" things (megafactory, especially if you haven't finished the game since launch at least once)

[meager fern]

i havent tried to do it, but with the amount of production i was getting into during phase 3 it seems like it would be an awful idea if you arent experience, or at least no better than have independant factories

[solar hamlet]

Good lord... I forgot to place container and dimensional depo at the end of my motor factory... two hours ago -_-

[cloud verge]

Oh noooo

[bright tinsel]

Is there a way to turn off the new warnings regarding epilepsy?
I need to be more time efficient playing this game, can't waste 30 seconds on warnings

[solemn relic]

why can i not place the oil extractor on the oil nodes?

[white dawn]

I think there's a somewhat weird key you can hold down during startup to bypass them (like left alt or something); otherwise I think there's a mod out there to disable them

[meager fern]

a mod would probably be the best way, so you dont have to remember to hold down a button

[white dawn]

If it's like other games you might be able to just find the video files and delete them from your drive, though they'd probably pop back up whenever there's a game patch if you do that. :D

[rare thunder]

hi which developer do i harass to get 2 keys to play with my (gay) friends? thanks

[white dawn]

#rules > • Please don't beg for keys/free copies of the game.

[teal geyser]

Oil node as in a puddle of oil on the ground, or a cracked looking hole coming up from the ground? The oil nodes need the regular oil extractors while the other, cracked hole looking ones, need the resource wells, which is tier 7-8

[bright tinsel]

any developing studio with a job offering i guess

[rare thunder]

im not "begging" for keys i am threatening for them

[white dawn]

(also Please refrain from pinging the Coffeestainer roles - they are working. This includes replies in Discord as this results in a ping as well as Direct Messages.)

[white dawn]

I guarantee you there are better things you can do with your time than what you're doing right now. :)

[leaden turret]

having a poke around on this...

[solemn relic]

is there a way to send photos to show the node i am trying to place on?

[teal geyser]

Like getting a job probably to pay for the game legitly

[meager fern]

#screenshots and then link it here(or people can look)

[teal geyser]

#screenshots channel. WIndows button + Shift + S for screenshot/snipping tool

[white dawn]

Or, much better than the screenshots channel: #1038092680493801533

[cloud verge]

Thanks, I'm investigating still but it looks like Deepmind and the trained Wavenet models aren't open-source so there's no way to just... run an ADA voice locally, for instance. You have to ping Google's cloud server, assuming they even are still hosting the WaveNet voices at all.

[rare thunder]

listen here buddy, there's 2 things i do. looking at armpits and crying.

[solemn relic]

i didnt even know abt that channel thanks

[white dawn]

#screenshots is really just meant for showing off pretty screenshots. If you need help with something and a screenshot is useful, #1038092680493801533 is a far better place. :)

[meager fern]

but oil nodes are beutiful

[rare thunder]

and another thing, bucko, i dont appreciate your tone

[limber plaza]

ocd makes me wanna organize everything even wiring but its pissing me off at the same time

[meager fern]

organizing power poles and wires is fun

and you gotta have those crisp 90 degree belt angles

[cloud verge]

Even going through the Vertex AI Studio doesn't allow for Wavenet voices to be selected, though I can't post a screenshot.

[limber plaza]

belts are crisp even using mk5 belts even thoe they not needed just look nicer lol

[white dawn]

Wonder if the CSSfolk have a way to still access the old voice models

[leaden turret]

models are still available, but cost monies to use api rather than being freely-available on google's "try it" page

[white dawn]

Ah, gotcha

[meager fern]

booo hiss, boo google

[white dawn]

Was wondering if this was yet another case of "don't rely on Google for anything in your workflow" or not. :)

[cloud verge]

Were you able to find the old models? I can only see the Gemini- and Chirp-based ones.

[meager fern]

using google is probably like having a tier 1 belt in the middle of your tier 6 production line 😔

[white dawn]

A tier 1 belt which can disappear without warning at any time. :)

[cloud verge]

"Oh the new ones are more smooth and natural-sounding" okay buddy but I'm trying to make a robot voice.

[limber plaza]

my math is telling me i need 7.5 foundrys for my steel line am i suppose to cut one in half ima have to either overclock or add and underclock rather overclock what yall think

[white dawn]

"That sure is a nice useful service you're using there. Would be a shame if something were to... happen to it."

[violet wave]

Do y’all use the highest tier belts you can all the time, or the lowest required tier? I’m a firm lowest tier required believer

[meager fern]

i use the one thats the easiest to make while suiting my needs. tier 3 is a beauty

[white dawn]

Yeah, can clock 'em however you want so long as the total production is 750%

[cloud verge]

I always upgrade to highest-possible if I have abundant resources to do so. In part because I'm liable to run across any of them for a speed boost at any time.

[leaden turret]

refer to @gaunt tulip's post, https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1nsqgia/how_can_i_made_custom_ada_voice_lines/

The en-US-Wavenet-C premium (more natural) voice (part of the Legacy TTS models) is available (long list / scroll down), and limited to 1 million text characters per month for free. "Hello" is 5 characters.

After the free tier has been reached, Text-to-Speech is priced per 1 million characters of text processed..

but also

Need More Help? Login to the Official Satisfactory Game Discord (Invite) and ask the experts there. It would be great if you referred to a Reddit Post to assist discussion.

not sure who the experts would be in this case 😅

[white dawn]

(You could also just build 8, leave them at 100%, and live with the fact that parts of it will go idle about 6% of the time)

[cloud verge]

Oh damn, funny that I'm not the only person to be asking about it. I wonder how recently they changed that page?

[limber plaza]

debating if i should just keep 6 and overclock 2 evenly

just to match the factory because i have 6 foundrys under for iron transferring above to make steel and out across to another factory to make pipes and beams and out to make incased beams and so on

[cloud verge]

So basically I have to activate a Google Cloud billing account, get the API key, and then make the request to the API endpoint... that's too much work, ugh. I'm sure the processing time to take their training data and make it sound good was expensive, but bleh. The cost isn't even the problem ($16 for one million characters), it's the hoops they make you jump through so that they can be sure that you're paying them.

[limber plaza]

calculated wrong holy i need 11.25 foundrys, too much iron

[leaden turret]

there'll be ready-made apps that make it easier

also maybe ask around on the modding discord, since they're more likely to have made custom ada messages?

[cloud verge]

The problem is that Google has to open-source the Wavenet models for that to be possible. I'll ask the modding discord, though, thanks for the suggestion!

[leaden turret]

nu, I mean apps that ping the api

so you don't have to write the code yourself.

[cloud verge]

Oh, yeah, writing the JSON call is easy (web dev). It's just similar enough to work that I don't wanna do it unless I'm getting paid lol.

[plucky flower]

Hey guys

Im totally new, have done satisfactory a bit earlier, but I just crafted my space elevator

It needs smart plating, but I cant find anywhere where that supposed to be

[frail sleet]

it's made in an assembler

[plucky flower]

Ahh, thats why I couldnt find it!

[white dawn]

If you don't know how to make something, remember you can open up the codex to search for it -- will show you all recipes you know to make the item

[plucky flower]

What is codex

[white dawn]

o opens the Codex directly, or n pops up a smaller search bar (which is also a calculator!)

[plucky flower]

2 per minute? Jeez thats slow...

Okay, another question if you dont mind

[white dawn]

On the other hand, the first elevator delivery only needs 50, so with a single Smart Plating machine, that's like 25 minutes

You can spend far longer than that just decorating your Smart Plating factory while it runs. :)

[plucky flower]

I keep running out of biofuel, like the solid one, is there a way to collect dozens of it easily or

[white dawn]

(or going exploring for a bit)

[hard ivy]

chainsaw

[white dawn]

Chainsaw is the fastest, but don't sweat it too much. Once you finish this elevator delivery you'll be right at the stage where you get fully-automated power

[plucky flower]

Please say so, lol. Im getting tired of it

[outer hatch]

Kinda missed the conversation, but yeah, it's "easy" to stay small if you want to. Finished phase 5 at 12k MW.

[plucky flower]

Sorry if you dont agree guys, but constant refueling is insane

[white dawn]

Heh, nah, nobody enjoys biomass collection. :) (Well, presumably someone does, but y'know)

[plucky flower]

Might be this lego10man

[white dawn]

Basically meant to just be extra incentive to get that elevator done and get to the next power level. :)

[teal geyser]

You can build multiple machines and then turn that 2 per minute into 100 per minute

[teal geyser]

What?

[plucky flower]

Sounds more effective, love it

[white dawn]

At least now we've got belt-fed bio burners. Pre-1.0 we had to stock each one by hand. :)

[devout vigil]

yoo what's the command to know where i can pu tmy bp ?

[plucky flower]

Just messing with you, we were talking about someone likes biofuel

[slim wren]

That was, literally the worst lol

[teal geyser]

The best thing about the update lol

[white dawn]

That or stackable portable miners. :D

[teal geyser]

Oh right

[meager fern]

thats also good, i was confused when they started stacking

[white dawn]

(recipe change for the portable miners was nice too)

[meager fern]

i was like "dont these normally take up half my inventory"

[unkempt blade]

I bought myself 3 more copies of satisfactory so I can fill up my MP servers when my friends claim they have to do work

[meager fern]

oh yeah, those used to 3 resources so you needed manufacturers to automate them

[plucky flower]

Lmao, 4 solid biofuel gave me 320 solid biofuel

[feral geyser]

Tbh, I somersloop my solid bio fuel constructors early game

[plucky flower]

Thats insane increase

[nocturne orbit]

I didn't know zooping can make turns #screenshots message

[feral geyser]

Especially on dune desert start, it really helps stretch it out

[teal geyser]

What do you mean?

[meager fern]

i dont think it normally can? when i use foundations it doesnt do that. maybe railing only for some reason?

[plucky flower]

I used a chainsaw to gather some biofuel

[teal geyser]

Oh, you meant you used 4 as fuel to earn 320, I see

[meager fern]

it sounded like some sort of bug/exploit

like you somehow got 320 when you were supposed to get 4 or something like that

[teal geyser]

I've never known zooping to turn 90 degrees

[white dawn]

Regardless, looks like a useful safety fence!

[plucky flower]

yeah

[plucky flower]

No the chainsaw is just overpowered

[meager fern]

no its solid biofuel powered

it would kind of be pointless if it didnt give much more than doing it by hand 🤷

and if it barely gave enough to fuel itself, it wouldnt be very useful for fueling the generators

[prime rampart]

Finally done with phase 3 im transferring liquids now

time to make my packaged fuel factory

I have like 18harddrives still non claimed

[feral geyser]

You want a blueprint??

[prime rampart]

YES PLS

Blueprints make my life x300 eaiser

[feral geyser]

I have one that make packaged fuel out of crude and water with no byproducts.

[prime rampart]

Wait a min u can do that?

[feral geyser]

I'll send you the non-blender one, give me a little bit.

[feral geyser]

Yes, diluted fuel recipe

[prime rampart]

could you send dms?

[feral geyser]

Yes

[prime rampart]

Bro i HAVE RESEARCHED SO KANY HARDRIVES WHY DO I GET DODO ONES

[limber plaza]

bro when do u get that recipe still havnt got it yet

[feral geyser]

You can get diluted packaged fuel as soon as you have refineries, but the regular one needs a blender, so you can't get it till later.

[prime rampart]

do i jeed to unlock blender for that recipe or what

[limber plaza]

need it for power asap

[prime rampart]

I see

I need a new power factory

2250MW is nothing now

[white dawn]

There are no dodo recipes, only recipes you have yet to learn to appreciate!

[limber plaza]

think u need to unlock blender for that recipe cuz im already on tier 8 but i destroyed all my factories to redo them with other recipes

[feral geyser]

Lmao power is the main struggle until you get to rocket fuel.

[prime rampart]

Whens that

[white dawn]

(although much as I agree with the "all recipes are at least situationally useful" sentiment, I admit that I find biocoal and charcoal are, um, special)

[feral geyser]

You gotta do MAM research for it, and get blenders

Cuz it needs nitric acid

[prime rampart]

I got alien augmenter should i veaft it?

[limber plaza]

i gotta unlock blender first?

[prime rampart]

More fluids wow

[limber plaza]

i can unlock it rn

[feral geyser]

Do it

[nocturne orbit]

appreciate my bio coal throws dark rock

[white dawn]

No need to wait until the Blender to start doing Diluted Fuel, btw! (I mean, if you do have the Blender available, then the Blender version is definitely the better one)

[green fiber]

Biocoal > Converter Magic > Sulfur

[feral geyser]

Lmao

Never thought of that one

[prime rampart]

Which one

[white dawn]

A 2x Packager + 1x Refinery closed-packaging-loop system can fit inside the 4x4 blueprinter, and you can even pre-stock it with Empty Canisters, so it becomes a little mini-blender that you can place down with one click

[feral geyser]

Sulfur chain, right side, experimental power generation

[prime rampart]

I see

Hiw hard is nuclear pasta

[feral geyser]

Say goodbye to all your copper

[prime rampart]

Even for 50??!

[swift turret]

50 nuclear pasta?

[feral geyser]

You will need a lot more than 50 😭

[prime rampart]

Phase 4 rn and just found one copper node

[white dawn]

If you just mean the "last steps" to get from PCCs to NP, then it's not bad; just extremely copper-hungry

[prime rampart]

WHat is pcc and np

[white dawn]

If you include the entire production line from ore -> NP then it's a pretty chonky chain, of course

[limpid cairn]

Guys what do yall do when you are building a massive bp like 50 times ?

[white dawn]

Pressure Conversion Cube, and Nuclear Pasta

[prime rampart]

Rip me

[limpid cairn]

Do you just grab the important resources into inventory or do you just wait for the dd?

[prime rampart]

Grab

[limber plaza]

id get dd asap not too hard just time consuming

[feral geyser]

i dm'd you

[prime rampart]

Appreciate it

[limpid cairn]

[white dawn]

ngl, I really love the HMF -> FMF -> PCC -> NP production chain. So satisfying that you're just sort of refining a single object along the line

[feral geyser]

multiple uploaders on critical mats

[white dawn]

Would be nice if MFs were also 1:1 but I admit it kind of makes sense that you've gotta spend multiple of those

[feral geyser]

it really is a quite satifying factory to build

[unkempt blade]

yeah especially because the quantity is low enough you can easily move them with factory carts

[feral geyser]

wow so i just opened a blueprint file in Notepad 😳 why does it look like Matrix code? 😭

[white dawn]

Because you're trying to view binary data with a text editor. :)

[plucky flower]

Thats super cool

You just stole some stuff that was meant for your computer

[limpid cairn]

youre not supposed to open 3d files in notepad!!!

[swift turret]

4d notes

[unkempt blade]

yeah you're supposed to use MS Paint!

[limpid cairn]

i dont have ms paint installed on my pc

i terminated it 🫠

[unkempt blade]

but how do you create poorly made memes to send to your friends?

[swift turret]

I do it in photoshop

[unkempt blade]

I said poorly made!

[limpid cairn]

discord bot

[plucky flower]

Lmao, im on my first playtrought to the game, 20hr in, I just built my factory for 2 inputs of iron ore. ANd Now I find 3 iron ores next to eachother

Gotta do some planning now

[swift turret]

clearly you havent seen my photoshopping skills 😎

[limpid cairn]

guys is it smart moving nuclear fuel with trains and then using a manifold to feed them into the nuclear gens?

[white dawn]

Would work fine. Obviously you'll have a degree of ambient radiation around places where it's stored up, but that's generally not a problem so long as you don't mind the clicking

[feral geyser]

If anyone else wants a BP for a packaged fuel depot (water+crude in, packaged fuel out, no byproducts), hit me up.

I have two versions, one with blender and one without.

[white dawn]

If you automate as little as 5/min Iodine filters you could spend literally the rest of the game with radioactive material in your inventory and never get hurt from it so long as you occasionally replenish the filters. So a little bit out in the world somewhere isn't much of an issue. :)

[meager fern]

when you guys need to reconfigure your entire factory, do you just remove power from the miner and let everything finish processing, or how do you guys deal with all the excess materials?

[white dawn]

Personally I just avoid reconfiguring my factories. Once they're done, they're done! When I need more stuff I just make a new factory. :)

Tearing down old stuff is an absolute drag, IMO

Even if you do decide to completely abandon your old factories, IMO just leave 'em there and build new regardless

[meager fern]

neither of those seems like a good option when upgrading from mk 1-mk 2 miners, or 2-3, or belt upgrades

[white dawn]

Still: why bother upgrading? Just make a new factory instead. Can upgrade the miner and split its output, if you want to consolidate on nodes

You're building roughly the same number of buildings anyway, and if you just build new then you're saving yourself all the hassle of dismantling.

[meager fern]

thats unsatisfying

[white dawn]

That said, nowadays at least the game does attempt to consolidate dismantle crates, so I suppose inventory management for dismantling is easier than it's been in the past

[white dawn]

IMO it's more satisfying to allow my previous work to continue doing its job. :D

If I dismantle a factory, it feels like wasted time that I built it in the first place

Personal preference, of course. But it does have the advantage that I never spend time dismantling things. :)

(well, I mean, obviously I dismantle things as a factory evolves while building. but you know what I mean.)

I do admit that I often dismantle my Phase 1 factories once I've got coal power up, so I'm at least slightly a hypocrite

But those tend to be tiny little things just built to get me to Phase 2

[limber plaza]

think ima need that bro got the blender now had to automate computers and slooped em to get em quick

[white dawn]

Everything I do from Phase 2 onward is permanent. :)

[limber plaza]

id like to think that but when u get all the recipes u can make everything more effecient

[white dawn]

Sure! Then the next factory I build can be more efficient. :)

One more reason to only build what you need Right Now instead of trying to future-proof your production; you get to try out different production lines as you go through the game

I think my 1.0 save used four different aluminum production chains across all my aluminum factories

[limber plaza]

i literally destroyed every factory except for power after getting mk3 miners and all the recipes im able to get atm

[white dawn]

I basically never worry about maxing out ore usage because I'm extremely unlikely to ever actually hit hard map resource limits

[meager fern]

well i guess thats one tip ill take to heart. instead of trying to automate all of the motors and modular frames and all that right now, and just automate what i need to get phase 2 finished

[white dawn]

There's far more resources on the map than most folks realize

I'm not gonna sweat it if some factories aren't being as ore-efficient as they could be

[swift turret]

any ideas how to get motivated to do a 1500 turbo fuel plant

[rare thunder]

do something more fun

[limber plaza]

im just making everything effecient n then i think im gonna transfer everything to one place near water for nuclear atleast whatevers needed

[swift turret]

I only have 2700 mw and I dont have rocket fuel sO I got no choice

[limber plaza]

just rush for rocket fuel that what im gonna do to make a rocket fuel plant and also diluted fuel both for power and packaged

[meager fern]

more cole

[swift turret]

I already rushed to phase 4 im so behind in this world

[meager fern]

i've got 1800 MW off of half of a pure coal node

that reminds me i need to double that

[limber plaza]

oil power is the best if ur at phase 4 already

use diluted fuel one of the best powers from what i heard

[ebon marten]

ive just found an easy way to move incredibly fast on flat areas without the need of the blade runners. hold the crouch button and if you jump just after you land you gain a ton of speed if you do that a few times

[meager fern]

you get moer speed with blade runners

[swift turret]

yeah its 1:1 with packagers but thats gonna be insane for a turbo fuel plant

I already have a calculation of whats needed I just have to do it

[ebon marten]

oh no doubt but i dont have it unlocked yet, ive got up to t5/6 and not built any permanent factories yet, just thought it was cool that i found a way to move as fast if not faster along the more flat areas without the blade runners

[limber plaza]

im rushing for rocket fuel and ionized atm barely finished my steel but im making 500/m so im trynna convert it to other things rn

[swift turret]

I can't do ionized cuz I don't have automation of power shards

[meager fern]

oh thats one of the first things i go out and get. i'm tier 3/4

[swift turret]

And I don't have aluminum not any infrastructure to make it so I need 50kMW of turbo to get what I need until I can do 100k of rocket

[ebon marten]

i havent played the game in 3 years so im still figuring things out again.

[limber plaza]

ohh shit i forgot i need that still just need to automate time crystals

[swift turret]

Yeah I made thar mistake by sacrificing 500 power shards in my 130 hour world

[limber plaza]

i always save my slugs till i unlock sloops for duping em meanwhile till i get crystals ready

[swift turret]

I did dupe mine but losing 500 still hurts

[cunning siren]

It will "hurt" less when you have 5000 of them in a box from phase 5 synthetic shards 🤷

[limber plaza]

yeah it does i see what u mean ive only gotten as far as nuclear plants had 2 running but started getting frustrated automating hella things to craft the things needed

[swift turret]

real

[white dawn]

Ionized Fuel is not good for power generation, btw. It's a great jetpack fuel (and presumably quite good in vehicles/drones), but definitely don't use it for power. Stick with Rocket Fuel for that, if you're doing oil power

[limber plaza]

ohh really ok gotcha thanks

im about to get rocket fuel rn

need to automate aluminum which is easy ill build the same factory i always build for it

do yall use alt recipes and scip using crystal ?

for aluminum

[swift turret]

I use pure aluminum and the other alt for scrap

[frail sleet]

for yield on super lategame builds, yes. Otherwise no, sloppy + electrode + pure is nice

regular aluminum ingot recipe basically converts complexity and quartz into aluminum, but you can mostly just.. go get another bauxite node, so that's not important. It's not a gamechanging yield increase, but it's enough to be good sometimes.

[white dawn]

I use a variety of recipes depending on what the local nodes look like (and what my target production needs are)

[limber plaza]

i usually build it up north above 2 big lakes if u know where im talking about im gonna automate sheets and casings and transfer with train or drone possibly

[ripe heart]

Hey guys, how would I go about making the logistics for a central storage location without getting loads of spaghetti?

[white dawn]

I tend to just max out one bauxite node at a time, and end up with a number of aluminum recipes across the map

Keeps things interesting, I get to use varying production chains, and can have fun building in various environments. :)

[limber plaza]

ahh gotcha

[white dawn]

It's definitely a lot more of a challenge than many folks often think. :D

[ripe heart]

I assume so, cramming so many conveyors next to eachother can’t be very simple

[white dawn]

On my 1.0 save I made very heavy use of sushi belts to keep things organized; you've gotta keep close watch on your belt throughputs to make sure you're not overloading at any point, and need to aggressively buffer on vehicle/train/drone deliveries so no one delivery can bottleneck another, but sushi can often really help

[silk ocean]

Dimensonal Depot? xD

[white dawn]

I had bulk sushi deliveries getting sorted out into floor-specific sushi belts, which then got sorted out into their bins (which was also where I had the majority of my Depot intake configured), with overflows to sink per-floor

[ripe heart]

That seems.. very complicated

[swift turret]

programmable splitters is typing...

[white dawn]

But yeah, if your only goal is to just make sure you have material available for your build gun, building out your Dimensional Depots is long-term a much easier solution than Central Storage

[meager fern]

if you have sushi deliveries, you should send some my way. all i have is some frozen spicy california rolls

[ripe heart]

I don’t think I even have smart splitters

[white dawn]

It does take a nontrivial amount of effort to get all the spheres necessary to upgrade everything and then build out all the Depots, but it's a lot less work than managing Central Storage, and once you're fully upgraded it does nearly completely obsolete Central Storage

IMO there's still a reasonable usecase for some kind of storage system up until midgame or so, but Depots do really crush it after the fact. Central Storage has become a labor of love, mostly. :)

[white dawn]

Yeah, if you're not doing sushi then you've really just got to cope with Lots Of Belts

[ripe heart]

I’m trying to get my phase 2 materials completely automated with modular factories, But getting all the materials into one spot is my issue if I want to automate parts

[white dawn]

In the end, it's just practice, perseverance, and a willingness to abandon ideas which aren't quite working right that'll help get things sorted without it looking bad. :)

[ripe heart]

And I’m not even sure what sushi belts are, I’m only familiar with the load balancers and regular manifolds

[meager fern]

you throw everything onto 1 belt, and use smart splitters to filter it

[white dawn]

"sushi belts" just means having more than one kind of item on the same belt (like in some sushi restaurants which have conveyor belts you grab plates off of)

[unkempt blade]

there's always the magnificent cartifold... but then you have to cope with lots of truck stations

[ripe heart]

Ohhkay

[white dawn]

But you do need Smart Splitters for that, and handling them can take some getting used to

(Programmable Splitters are quite handy space-savers sometimes, but you don't actually need those)

[meager fern]

and if you dont have an overflow section it will back up and you will suffer

[white dawn]

Yeah, the key for using sushi is "keep it moving"

You never want the sushi belt to pause waiting for something

[peak wasp]

why scrystal oscillator is so badass? XD

[unkempt blade]

because crystal goes sparkle sparkle

[cunning siren]

I made a compact sushi slug and remains processor AND found without jet pack and hoverpack it's a pain in the ass to manage 😆 I may have to make it less compact

[peak wasp]

IA limiter will be used in t4 and t5 ?

[meager fern]

because they are os(some)lators

[cunning siren]

🤔 good question, my doggos seem to love giving me them

[reef basin]

the info is not really relevant though for you

[meager fern]

solid steel ingot really is a nice recipe

minimal hassle, nice numbers

[cunning siren]

"Best of the best" objectively for steel

[white dawn]

Yeah, that's one of the few recipes which has pretty wide acceptance as a "good" recipe

Though it does technically have downsides. :)

[meager fern]

i dont believe you

[unkempt blade]

unlike coke steel which is pure upside and all awesome

[reef basin]

more complexity for one

[limber plaza]

just made a factory with that recipe lol

making 450 steel per min

[meager fern]

smelting is more complexity?

i mean i guess technically, but it doesnt seem like much

its not like i have to crush it down, run it through water, combine it back together, and then smelt it

unless you are doing pure iron ingots i guess, then thats partially true

[limber plaza]

just need more foundries but i used iron alloy recipe and overclocked steel foundrys

[reef basin]

One extra step, yeah, more complexity

[white dawn]

A bit more space as well

They are admittedly downsides that most folks aren't gonna care too much about in the face of the resource savings, but there is a tradeoff in there. :)

[reef basin]

^

[limber plaza]

not if you overclock depending on how much u need as well thoe

[versed mesa]

Whats the best way to do a continuation of a circle at the edge of another circle?

[reef basin]

If you overclock one, you can overclock the other, and still use morr space

[meager fern]

okay that wasnt cool game. i took a path i've taken many times in satisfactory, but i guess at night, and where there was normally just some hogs there was one of those elite stinger things

[limber plaza]

i only overclocked 2 and used excess iron for wire

[meager fern]

i saw an enemy warning, but i didnt see where it was, and then one of those stingers was just in my face

[reef basin]

I mean that OCing is not an argumrnt for using more/less space

[peak wasp]

if i build 2x dimensional depot, where input same resource, i insert x2 speed or not?

[leaden dome]

yes

[cunning siren]

Yea resources is not really an issue in this game unless one wishes to "take over the word" AND "building space" is a joke... this game has more "building space" than any factory game i've ever played

[peak wasp]

yeee thanks!

[limber plaza]

if i didnt overclock id be using 12 foundys with one underclocked instead im using 6 with two overclocked and excess for wire? im confused

[reef basin]

We're talking about solid steel using more space than normal steel

[cunning siren]

I just stack them 🤷 and even that is not needed

[limber plaza]

ahh most def ma b

[reef basin]

Complexity on the other hand is referenced quite often

[cunning siren]

Yep, lots of alts are "shortcuts" with some other "cost" and sometimes that is "worth it" to some folk

[atomic notch]

Like the bolted alts that use more screws. I love screws

[silk ocean]

Conversation earlier today was screwhate... now it's screwlove xD

[reef basin]

is the only valid opinion

[cunning siren]

That emoji 🤯

[reef basin]

died in U2

[atomic notch]

Lucky, he gets to use external emojis

[reef basin]

For some reason they trust us with more perms

[atomic notch]

Weird

[reef basin]

Definitely won't backfire

[solemn relic]

what is the point in saying the fuel can work on a train but the locamotive is electric?

[limpid cairn]

who are the screw lovers?

need names

[reef basin]

Everyone

Me

[atomic notch]

Me

[reef basin]

Where does it say it can work on trains?

[silk ocean]

The Pioneer's club of Screw Lovers

[limpid cairn]

@atomic notch im sending you up to the higher ups via space elevator, good luck, hope you get screwed up

[atomic notch]

I😏

I saw that

I hope they give me more screw alts that use more screws

[limpid cairn]

[atomic notch]

Bolted fused frame. Bolted pasta

[hard dawn]

Where do i report people?

[atomic notch]

Maybe open a ticket. Idk

[hard dawn]

oh right tickets

[atomic notch]

Never had to report someone usually im the one getting reported

[limpid cairn]

if you want to report @atomic notch for using screws do that in #open-a-ticket message

[hard dawn]

xd

I wanna report a DM scammer
I love screws
/jk

[silk rose]

@amber sun is some DM scam bot, ban IT please

[silk rose]

same?

[ripe heart]

Okay!!! I have quite a few alt recipes to choose from!!! And I need your help on deciding fr…
We got:
fine concrete/steel cast plate

Recycled rubber/adhered iron plate

Encased industrial pipe/quick wire cable

Biocoal/diluted fuel packaging

Caterium circuit board/bolted iron plates

Coated iron canister/wet concrete

Fused quartz crystal/caterium wire

All of these are rescannable except the top one

[meager fern]

one thing i can tell you, is definetly never biocoal or charcoal

[ripe heart]

Right

[limpid cairn]

keep the recipes in the mam just dont unlock them

[cunning siren]

Caterium circuit board, Wet Concrete, Recycled rubber, Encased industrial pipe, (If you want to go through the hassle) diluted fuel packaging all "good stuff"

[shy mulch]

Don't listen to Big Screw, they just want everyone to use screws to help their profits

[ripe heart]

Okay I have two more recipes

[limpid cairn]

TAKE THE LEFT ONE NO MATTER WHAT!!!

[ripe heart]

Tempered copper ingot/plastic ai limiter

Rigor motor/heavy flexible frame

[silk ocean]

Screws are transient, they need only exist for a fleeting moment

[ripe heart]

These recipes scare me

I mean I already got motors automated

[limpid cairn]

can you rescan them?

[ripe heart]

Nope

[limpid cairn]

man

[shy mulch]

Asking here which alt to pick is a bad idea, you'll just get people either telling you they are all good, or arguing about it.
If you really don't want to think about it yourself, roll a dice. If odd number pick the left one, if even number pick the right one. Simple

[ripe heart]

Those were the rescans

[limpid cairn]

ig plastic ai limiter and rigot motor it is?

[cunning siren]

plastic ai limiter is good, if you got the spare plastic

[ripe heart]

Aight

[limpid cairn]

you need to tell them what they want to hear!!!

[solemn relic]

does anybody have a tutorial on how to balance splitters?

[meager fern]

isnt rigot motor what happens when a person dies or smth? idk

[limpid cairn]

why would you balance them when you can use a manifold

[ripe heart]

It’s like a tree branch, you split it in half

[limpid cairn]

no its a motor

[shy mulch]

I say what I think and I think what I say. If someone likes it cool, if someone doesn't, sounds like a them problem 😄

[cunning siren]

I do default motor and... (Braces for impact) Copper Rotor

[meager fern]

i think they mean when you need to not just straightforward split it, and merge lines back to get like 15 going left and 5 going right

[limpid cairn]

[shy mulch]

it's not really something you can just give a basic tutorial on
if you have a mind for math, then it's easy enough to work out yourself
if you don't and need help, then tell us exactly what you're trying to balance and someone will give you the answer that fits that specific scenario

[cunning siren]

Only steamed copper sheets are "needed" to make it "worth it" resource wise

[meager fern]

well thanks for making my suffering worth it game. if you are going to throw 3 alpha stingers at me, you can at least give me 67 heavy modular frames

[cunning siren]

Why suffer... build panic room, ez-mode #screenshots message

[meager fern]

that doesnt help when the stinger is jumping off an arch onto my face

and then another one farther down

[cunning siren]

How does being in a invulnerable room, where you can hurt them (shoot out of) and they can not hurt you "not help"?

[meager fern]

because by the time i know i need to hurt them, they are already hurting me

and im on a precarious platform built to try and avoid such things

[cunning siren]

Sounds like a panic room on hotbar solution to me

[meager fern]

its like saying "how does knowing you should've have hit that fallen tree not help you go back in time and not hit that tree" the milk has already been spilt

or in this case, my body several hundred meteres below my platform because i was scared off

[limber plaza]

anybody know why i only see an arrow when trying to place a blueprint i cant see the pre build

[cunning siren]

I've seen that happen, not sure

[white dawn]

Might be due to the stuff mentioned here: #1415402841174048808 message

[reef basin]

decide for yourself 🙂 if you need/want/like a recipe, get it

there's no wrong choice really, and you can get all recipes anyway

[ripe heart]

My indecisiveness is horrendous

[reef basin]

flip a coin then

[ripe heart]

It’s why I ask people

Fair enough

[meager fern]

that encounter with the stingers has made me not want to continue my hard drive search. so i am going to wait until i have a rifle or something

[limber plaza]

did what it says didnt work thoe

[meager fern]

oh wait 18 of the frames i got were "fused" modular frames, which seem like a higher tier than ive ever used

[leaden dome]

Yup, they’re made with nitrogen

Modular frames have a whole evolution line throughout the game I love it

[meager fern]

just to make sure. the crab nests are an enemy that dont respawn right?

[leaden dome]

there are crabs in this game?

[meager fern]

yeah it is kinda cool

[raven axle]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @meager fern

[meager fern]

!wikisearch flying crab

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=flying+crab

[white dawn]

They will respawn eventually unless you've built up sufficiently near their spawnpoint (after 3 days, I think?)

[meager fern]

damnit

[leaden dome]

I don’t remember what the qualifier is but I think it’s something like you have to have a powered functional machine within a certain radius

[meager fern]

i was hoping they wouldnt respawn

like those poison flowers

[white dawn]

Yeah, powered buildings tend to be the most effective and squashing enemy spawns

Though AFAIK you can disable a spawnpoint with sufficient building-up even if there's nothing powered

1 or 2 connected Power Storages nearby tend to be enough to disable a spawn, which is a handy way of building something just for the hell of it which could still serve a bit of purpose

[meager fern]

the nests in question are 20-30m away from my steel production, im hoping that qualifies

[white dawn]

Oh, yeah, that should be more than sufficient

[limber plaza]

messed with the game files i fixed it thansk bro

[cursive phoenix]

where do i find satisfactory screenshoits

[white dawn]

You generally never have to worry about enemy spawns near your factories; the do-not-spawn radius is pretty decent for that

If you clear out an enemy spawn of any sort and then start building nearby, you'll likely never see that spawn again

(the only real exception is that in the past, some map updates to the game have caused unintentional respawns, but theoretically CSS have fixed that up now)

[meager fern]

well ive spent enough time being scared that i've saved up 2,400 modular frames, plus my assemblers have backed up. so that means i havent made any significant advances towards my phase 2 parts in 4 hours

[white dawn]

There was one memorable update where crab-hatchers suddenly became extremely spawn-happy and just Wouldn't Go Away, amusingly enough. :D

[meager fern]

that wouldnt amuse me. the crabs arent as bad as stingers, but i still hate them

[limber plaza]

stupid question does the train give power or take power i remembered it giving power been 1 year or so since i played

[leaden dome]

They use power but the brakes generate a teeny bit

[white dawn]

There's always peaceful or retaliate in the game settings, of course. Combat isn't considered a primary gameplay loop

[meager fern]

last i heard if you hook the train up to your power lines, the other end can transfer power far away

idk if that is still or ever was true

[white dawn]

Yes, rails transmit power; been true I think as long as trains have been in the game

[leaden dome]

yup

As long as there’s a station to connect a power cord to you can use your rails to transfer power anywhere

[minor cloud]

Hey guys im still kinda new to satisfactory but i have been loving it! i stream on twitch and normally only get like 1-2 viewers when i stream. It would mean a lot if anyone wanted to stop in and say hello!

[limber plaza]

thats what it was thanks

[leaden dome]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553257340108013568

[atomic notch]

Wouldve been funny if you said hey guys im back

[cunning siren]

Phase 3 "bois"! Jetpack time, I can kiss ladders goodbye

[meager fern]

for my stators and rotors is it easier to just use the iron pipes recipe and steel rotors, and then just make everything in 1 spot unreliant on steel?

[cursive phoenix]

Hell yeah

[limber plaza]

yup just made a factory with that

[atomic notch]

Screw ladders im out here hub hoppin

[limber plaza]

just need hella iron i also used the iron alloy recipe for more iron

[cursive phoenix]

Smart

[white dawn]

The alloy recipes are nice. I'm especially fond of using them in factories which require both iron + copper

[cursive phoenix]

I just unlocked trains, how do i calculate how much i need from the train while its going back and forth. So i have a constant flow of items?

[meager fern]

i dont know if i can find the recipe yet, but i only have copper alloy so far, but i dont need more copper

i assume i should be able to, since it should be a foundry alt

[limber plaza]

if you have foundry unlocked u can get it bro

[white dawn]

Just get a nice little practically-free resource boost just by having both of 'em there

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's essentially the same thing: add iron to copper to get more copper

[limber plaza]

if u want a blueprint i can make the one i used if youd like

[meager fern]

steeled frame or fused wire

[white dawn]

So if you're using both you can just line up the foundries using the same manifolds and get more output; quite handy IMO

[limber plaza]

2 story bulding out to an assembler making motors

[meager fern]

steeled frame looks to me at a quick glance like its a good alt, but i dont have enough experience

[white dawn]

Basically all alt recipes are at least situationally useful. They give you options while building: trade one resource for another, or trade complexity for resource-efficiency or power or whatever

I admit it can be pretty overwhelming if you're still just getting used to the game in general

[limber plaza]

im using that rn as well on my steel factory to make heavy modular frames

[atomic notch]

Or the bolted recipes that just add more screws

[white dawn]

So Steeled Frame might be good in one factory but not another, based on local resource availability, or even just how you're feeling at factory-build time

[meager fern]

if you used the iron pipes alt, would that even have that much of a difference compared to just using iron rods?

[limber plaza]

produces more use less space

but more material needed is the downside

[white dawn]

One great way to compare recipes is using sftools, btw: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

Plug in a target Modular Frame number and then use the "recipes" tab to choose which recipes the solver considers

Can trivially see how various recipes impact the chain, which can be nice for deciding which ones to use for any given factory

[meager fern]

for some reason it isnt including the steeled frame recipe in its calculations

[white dawn]

Yeah, you may have to deselect the vanilla one, if it's preferring that

[meager fern]

its doing all the other alts, but still using rods instead of pipes

[white dawn]

Vanilla recipes: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=TVL7D6fMq5PxhVfCcSQW versus Iron Pipe + Steeled: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ctlOvU4NHZTI2QCxPIC9

[limber plaza]

alot of iron is needed thats prolly why lol

[white dawn]

(when clicking on share links like that, you'll have to wait for the tab to pop up and then auto-switch; doesn't put you right at the linked chain)

[limber plaza]

i underclocked even thoe im producing more than enough iron

[meager fern]

but i want to use stitched plates with iron wire, iron pipes, and steeled frames. why cant it just let me do all iron 😭

[placid stirrup]

It will include/disclude recipes based on your parameters. Setting a max of a certain resource or whether you choose "maximize" vs entering a specific amount to be made will change the tree

[white dawn]

Yeah, you can definitely get it to do what you want; may just have to tweak either active recipes or active inputs

In your case, if you want to avoid coal altogether, can deselect all coal from the "Inputs" tab

[placid stirrup]

(get in the habit of deselecting SAM before you do anything on a new production)

[white dawn]

Yeah, the way the solver weights resources, it tends to like introducing SAM-based resource conversion. :D

[meager fern]

yeah thats what im planning to do

[leaden dome]

I think you can make motors wholly from iron with alts it’s pretty cool

[meager fern]

copper can leave my life. i'm an iron purist

[leaden dome]

Typeshit

Except fused quick wire I need copper for that

[meager fern]

what better way to learn to play the game, than to make life harder on yourself. dont use easy recipes, make everything out of 1 resource when you arent using the others

[white dawn]

heh

Iron-only motors can be quite tempting. Depending on how you look at it, it's pretty resource-inefficient, but then again you've also got iron coming out of your ears, so who cares. :)

[meager fern]

i have 3 pure nodes im not even using

i'm also making 120 regular steel pipes per minute, but i might need those or smth

[leaden dome]

FWIW there’s so much iron in the world that iron pipes are almost neutral in resource consumption if you weigh resources by total available

[meager fern]

i also have 4,063 encased industrial beams for some reason, but i might need those later as well

[leaden dome]

Like per minute???

[meager fern]

no kekw

[leaden dome]

Oh

[meager fern]

i just have one of the larger storage bins 90% full

[leaden dome]

You’ll need all of them and more for conveyer belts

[meager fern]

oh yeah the tier 4, which arent as nice as 3

i really want to get to tier 6 conveyor belts so i can have pretty glowing belts 😭

[cunning siren]

Yea coal "conservation" is pretty easy with geothermals and Solid Steel Ingots. Much more so than iron pipe 🤷, it is nice for areas where there is no coal and one wants some pipe

[leaden dome]

Or just for the sake of convenience

You can make Sam fluctuations out of just iron and Sam which is useful if you don’t wanna belt in coal and copper (me)

[meager fern]

sadly steel is still mandatory for phase 2, because you cant make steel beams out of iron(yet?)

[leaden dome]

Yeah I’m not saying never make steel, I’m just saying iron pipe has its uses

[meager fern]

it would just be nice if you could do all of phase 2 with just iron

or at least interesting

[cunning siren]

Doggos were slackin' on the plastic! Had to buy some with coupons cuz yes... I AM that lazy 😆

[limber plaza]

u can thats what i did

[leaden dome]

Steel is one of my favorites actually because of how much the production multiplied with alts

Pure iron ingot, solid steel ingot, molded steel, can all fit into the same chain and you get so much extra

[cunning siren]

DO want liquid biofuel now 😆

[leaden dome]

Liquid biofuel is awesome bc burn time

[cunning siren]

OH yea the synergy bonuses are real

[meager fern]

versitile framework requires steel beams

[leaden dome]

Exactly

[limber plaza]

using that also things like steel screws alt recipe for other alt recipes with the manufacturer

[solemn relic]

is there a way to destroy a liquid i dont need?

[meager fern]

put it in one of those tanks, and flush it

thats what i do with oil bi-products prior to actually needing it

or to be kind of lazier

[leaden dome]

Not directly. You can package it and then sink it

But you’ll have to be making the packages

Wet concrete is a good option for water

[shy mulch]

Package it, the packages can get sent to the sink
Or if you're talking about water, use it to make something cool

[cunning siren]

YES! I love it because one can transition old solid biofuel production directly into a refinery and BAM! Need to hand feed some plastic for the containers though 🤔 😭

[solemn relic]

i am producing loads of fuel but i can only package like 1/5 of it, is there anything i can do with fuel

[white dawn]

Maybe I should do a run where I require myself to use as many different raw resource types as possible in each factory

Bonus points for using multiple recipes per item within the factory

[cunning siren]

I can get ~1k m distance with a slide jump + liquid bio fuel + tap tap tap combo, It's "super effective"

[white dawn]

That might be a fun solver to write...

[meager fern]

well since i havent really built a factory during phase 2 and i have enough production to finish it, i guess ill wait to build my factory until phase 3 and i actually know what i need to be producing

[peak wasp]

So I am working on a new factory and this is what I have so far

#screenshots message

looking good or looking awful?

[limber plaza]

looks wayy better then wtf i be building its nice ss above you is mine looks like shit next to that

[cunning siren]

"Star Trek" doors when set to automatic don't close when doggos are near 🤔 #screenshots message

Woh... it does close, it may have a huge proximity sensor on close but not on open?

No... it's not predictable it seems 😆 classic Satisfactory

[solemn relic]

jsut waisted all my time thinking that fuel generators require packaged fuel so i over complicated it beyond belief

[mystic oriole]

been there, done that on my first playthru, don't worry, you can have fun and use packagers to unpack your fuel.

[cunning siren]

OOooooof

Being human...

Need some of that packaged fuel for unlocks anyway

[mystic oriole]

and can be used in vehicles and jetpacks.

[cunning siren]

Liquid biofuel is wayyyyyy better than all that though

[mystic oriole]

I don't usually argue fuel for jet packs. They all have merit

[cunning siren]

Data does not need arguments, it either is or it isn't 🤷 https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Jetpack

[mystic oriole]

I think the purposes table on that page is pretty clear.

[limpid cairn]

LBF and ionized fuel is the only fuel that’s good change my mind 🙏🙏🙏

[outer hatch]

Turbofuel is enough to climb most cliff-faces, and doesn't requires a bauxite source to package.

[meager fern]

" Packaged Liquid Biofuel 12.5 s 53 s 4.5 m/s 56 m Cannot be fully automated." 🤔

okay, phase 2 parts automated, now to watch youtube for the next 200 minutes

[swift turret]

bio fuel is hard to automate cuz alien protein gets turned from like 1 alien protein to 100 biomass

[west verge]

Go find hard drives instead!

[meager fern]

the nearest hard drives all require plastic, some sort of quantum stuff, or have spoopy spiders. i need to wait until i have a real gun

[limber plaza]

u in the north?

[swift turret]

probably near the swamp

[meager fern]

yeah

[west verge]

Oh that’s rough

[limber plaza]

thats where i spawned too

[meager fern]

i went out and collected a bunch, and basically wasted them because i got all the good recipes for this tier

[swift turret]

I mean you cant really waste harddrives

[meager fern]

i almost had to choose bio coal

[limber plaza]

u really cant im usingg some i thought i wouldnt use

[swift turret]

also because you get enough for every recipe eventually

[limber plaza]

true

[hard ivy]

you never have to take any recipe

[meager fern]

eventually getting them doesnt mean that i have them in abuncance now. they were wasted because i had them and didnt get anything useful out of them, i could've waited for the next tier

[limber plaza]

finally got turbo fuel blend for the blender lol

took me forever

[meager fern]

well i got the miner recipe so it wasnt a complete waste, but i pretty much had to choose one of them. if only so it would stop taunting me

[limpid cairn]

Basher and a dream…

Or you use

[meager fern]

my high grades explosive factory isnt up yet

[limpid cairn]

And you do

[meager fern]

and i dont want to be in melee range of any alpha stingers. i hate those monsters

i had to be like 50 feet up and he jumped at me

[swift turret]

they just want a hug

[meager fern]

and i want it to be dead

i did it, but not until after i jumped off a cliff and fell to my death because i hated it so much

which is probably what i would do if it happened irl

[cunning siren]

"Panic room" blueprint on hotbar fixes everything 🤷... Can it go back into the past and not have spiderbro surprise you? No, and nothing can so... do what you can with what you got

[meager fern]

get back to me when they can travel to the past

[teal geyser]

Ive never realized that a panic room blueprint could be useful in this game lol

Do you have one yourself?

[cunning siren]

I'll link a screenshot in a sec

[meager fern]

#screenshots message

[cunning siren]

^ There we go, discord was being strange with jumping to searchs

[cunning glade]

Chat question if I wanted too make something a megaprint how does one do this

Like I have the building in my world and loaded in the interactive map

[steady glade]

mods

[white dawn]

I believe SCIM will give you the option once you have things selected

I've only done it once myself so I don't remember precisely, but I think some extra icons might show up on the left hand toolbar

That or some stuff will be in the right-click menu

[cunning siren]

As I spend time playing, my FPS dips sometimes AND if I switch to "some other" Fullscreen mode, the change "fixes" the FPS like magic 🤔 Super strange

[meager fern]

im glad that i overclocked my smart plates, i didnt realize it only produced 2/min at the base rate, so i would've had to wait for 8 hours. i could've just made more assemblers for it, but then i would have to make more of everything else

[versed mesa]

Check this out guys #screenshots message

It took me awhile to make that outer big circle lol

I would not want to make it again lmfao

[leaden dome]

Think you did some math wrong there

[cunning siren]

This game has so much stuff to do everywhere it's sometimes diffcult to do "one thing" 😆

[leaden dome]

Oh wait are you on phase 1 or 2

[meager fern]

2

1000/2=500/60=8.33

[leaden dome]

ok nvm

yeah I was thinking 50 smart plates lol

[meager fern]

im not that bad at math

[cunning siren]

Spire Coast has a lot of computers 🤔 good to now for early manual depot uploader

[cunning glade]

Figured it out

Kinda annoying too do

At least pasting it

Plus ig it won't technically work for the next train station

As the next one will be 3 belts of 780

I can't word

The question is do I combine the 3 belts of coal there too

Okay training things in is gonna make this take a bit longer

[nocturne condor]

I discovered the dash, crouch, jump method of moving

I move no other way now (other than a tractor uphill)

[limpid cairn]

There’s a dash ingame…?🤔

[nocturne condor]

sprint, what ever potato patato

[frail sleet]

potato potato

[meager fern]

more like potato tomato

[sullen gull]

Patuto!

[versed mesa]

Am off now that took me some hours todo lol

👋

@sullen gull hi have you look at what I shared in screenshots at all ?

Am building a huge round factory on the lake lol

[sullen gull]

I see, been busy lol. Just a tip, the concrete styles (both std and coated) would cut down on the noticeable Z fighting. Looking good though! 👍

[versed mesa]

Whats z fighting?

[sullen gull]

You see how the textures aren't all "align" and onlly bits and pieces of randome foundations are poking through?

Using the two mentiond types can help limit that a bit, as well as plaing with the different colors.

[versed mesa]

@sullen gull ive changed the material so most of those black border lines are not tobe seen but the rest i can get them painted to go away also

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok, gotcha

[sullen gull]

#design-and-architecture message this could help a bit too

[versed mesa]

So its different now ive been changing it and adding blue colour to it got more todo yet though

[sullen gull]

Right on. What are you planning on it being a factory for?

[versed mesa]

Not bad

[sullen gull]

Another of interest about what I was referring. Though in your case, it'd be a lot of work: #design-and-architecture message

One from totalxclipse as well posted by Cobalt: #design-and-architecture message

[versed mesa]

Well i am needing to craft stuff for the last tier 8 they want turbo engine or so and heat sinks are needed so will be producing thos and other stuff and also blender is going tobe needed to blend Nitrogen and water and some others to make i think the turbo engine

[sullen gull]

You'll need to make some Aluminum for the heatsinks. All the bauxite should be a decent trek to the east of you. And can't recall what else is required atm. But yeah, keep up with the progress report! 🙂

A Nitro is right there, so that's nice too.

[versed mesa]

It do goid to get away from my starting location factory and then work on something proper and I can feel it already its going look great hopefully been having little look at people's builds and they are awesome so those try to open my mind up abit with trying yo build good

[sullen gull]

Just remember the 6 P's .. Poor Prior Planning Presents Poor Perfomance 😏

Sorry, it's the 7 P's lol. "Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance."

[versed mesa]

Ive already just recently build Aluminium factory but am going to place one in this new one i think its only r8ggt to try get everything produced in the same factory like having water and Nitrogen right there is a win win like i already set uo starter farm for Nitrogen and sorted translations out for it and alot more tracks leasing to my starting location stations

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok, right on. Sounds like you got it well set!

[meager fern]

only 50 more minutes of waiting to finish phase 2 😰

[versed mesa]

Am trying my mind is not fully open with designing but I am trying todo my best

[versed mesa]

Nice

[sullen gull]

I feel ya. It can take some practice for sure.

[versed mesa]

Each time you improve as well

[sullen gull]

Just remember to tick that "Use from inventory before the dimensional depot" checkbox 🤣

[versed mesa]

Sorry dont quite understand?

[feral geyser]

In your inventory on the side

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[feral geyser]

Check the box

[sullen gull]

If you have done the mam research for being able to upload things to the dimensional depot, you will have a checkbox at the top

[feral geyser]

That way it uses what you have on you first

Then it will take from depot.

[versed mesa]

Or

Damn yeah I need this

[sullen gull]

Lol

[feral geyser]

Cuz otherwise, you dismantle stuff, it goes to your inventory, then it takes another batch of mats from the depot when you rebuild.

And your inventory just fills and fills.

[versed mesa]

Because its been using what in there first and when I delete things they go into a crate Because my inventory is already full lol

[sullen gull]

And you can't put it back into the DD cause it keeps filling 😭

[feral geyser]

Probably cuz you didn't check the box 😒

[versed mesa]

Thanks alot guys

When next on ill sort it out

[sullen gull]

That's one thing that prompted me to just break and start using a creative (and the mega bluepinter 🤣 ) for "prototyping"

[versed mesa]

Lmfao

Yeah it is kind of annoying that happening lol

@sullen gull my mind is starting to open now with this circle build and what I want to try

[sullen gull]

Lol, resist! 🤣

Sleep on it 😏

[versed mesa]

Lol

@sullen gull i mite create several ramp bridges leading from the beach up to the factory

[sullen gull]

Fyi, making blueprints of machine setups will make your life a ton easier when trying to route and line up things on curved foundations. Also, remember that foundations snap to the machines as well, so you can do that and use them to line up floor holes and such if needed.

[meager fern]

well all things considered, these dimensional depot upgrades arent horendously expensive

[versed mesa]

Ok yeah ill give it a another try with it

[meager fern]

just to double check since i've never used it. uploading from inventory is the first upgrade i want for the depot right?

[versed mesa]

Yeah defo

[sullen gull]

Eh, I guess it could go either way depending on goals? I usually go for the other side first as it's a "standard" with the way I build 🤷‍♂️

And then worry about the inventory upload later.

[versed mesa]

@sullen gull check DM

[real shale]

Live. Laugh. Consume.

[meager fern]

is reanimated same something i need to stockpile? because i have 4800 of it now

[sullen gull]

It has it's uses throughout the game.

[cunning glade]

Why do the big hogs have the range of God himself with the damn rocks

[meager fern]

because they are god himself

here to punish the wicked pioneers

[cunning glade]

Fair enough 😭

I'm flying out of range of them and I see a rock just fly past me😭

[real shale]

Early game it's good for the alien technology research when you make them into Sam fluctators and a couple of other tibits

But Sam fluctators are ludicrous early game for sink points

[meager fern]

well i just slapped a couple more industrial storage containers, so im going to be saving up over 12k of them

[real shale]

If you can, I'd turn them into fluctuators

[meager fern]

i dont have manufacturers yet 🙁

[shrewd palm]

you'll need a lot for research and depots

[real shale]

They don't have any use as reanimated SAM prior to tier 9

Iirc

[meager fern]

just give me another 26 minutes to let my 1 smart plating assembler get me to phase 3

[real shale]

Make more assemblers

[meager fern]

"i could've just made more assemblers for it, but then i would have to make more of everything else" me- earlier

[real shale]

I mean more smart plating is like a 15 minute job

[shrewd palm]

kid of crazy how simple the early game is compared to later stuff

[meager fern]

yeah so ill just wait an extra 10 minutes so i dont have to do that work

[shrewd palm]

smart plating seemed so complex and now im spending like 20+ hours per factory

[real shale]

I genuinely feel like phase 4 is a legitimate quantum leap in complexity

[sullen gull]

I mean, that's the goal though, to "ease" into it lol

[shrewd palm]

and phase 5 is the same jump from 4 as 4 is from 3

[real shale]

Phase 1....okay...phase 2....fair enough.....phase 3....ehhhh okay...it's aight....

Phase 4 1000 yard stare

[sullen gull]

Noooooo, phase 5 is unfortunatley a bit cake compared to 4

[meager fern]

yeah ive heard 5 is ez pz(comparatively)

[shrewd palm]

ive been having a lot of trouble with it compared to phase 4 but i think thats just how im playing