satisfactory

[sullen gull]

[rigid mist]

you can build pillars beneath rails and then replace the pillars with foundations

[burnt ferry]

its a bit like glitch building in nms

[sullen gull]

Ahh, I mean, this I am aware... just not sure the use in the BP.

[burnt ferry]

you put anchor points where there shouldnt be ones, allowing you to build totally off grid

[rigid mist]

spacing

i forgot to remove it

[sullen gull]

Also, you'll need some form of pipe segment if you cant those to be autoconnect..

[rigid mist]

i did

[leaden dome]

There’s no difference between ratio of input to output vs input to machines needed to process that input?

[sullen gull]

Ahh, I would have just done the single wall of pipes, with a 1m segment on one end and just used that if going over terrain lol. Less you're planning on enclosing it all

[outer scarab]

OK, it's not too late... I could run 2 belts if I wanted to... but I would have to unbuiild a lot of stuff

[rigid mist]

is there a falling speed cap

[outer scarab]

you mean terminal velocity?

yes

[sullen gull]

The faster you hit the ground/something, the more damage you take.

[rigid mist]

damn

[outer scarab]

I think if you are at full health you can't die from falling

[sullen gull]

Pretty sure it leaves you at 1% right?

[outer scarab]

yah

[mortal ginkgo]

natural gravity, yes. you can still die due to hypertubes

[latent meadow]

well that was almost a costly misake i will no ride the dron no more

it kicked me off at high speed about zip me into the void

[sullen gull]

You ride the Manta yet?

[latent meadow]

no

but that is fun i did that befor

[sullen gull]

Dooo eeeet ... and then pet it 🙂

[latent meadow]

on the beta it was somuch fun

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok lol

Well, there is an achievement (if you're after such things) for it now too (not sure if there before, only started in U8)

[latent meadow]

should put an achivment if it not in ride evething int he game

ahh

[burnt ferry]

theres situations though.. falling into a fart gas pool, having no filters because who cares and the inhaler not on hotkey or not fast enough

or just falling twice 😂

[sullen gull]

I've just gotten really good at catching myself with the hover pack if going into an electrofied area, or just slowing down enough right before I hit the ground with the jetpack,

And also grabbing the parachute when I run outta jetpack fuel 🤣

[latent meadow]

will say though the drone pretty dam cool

[sullen gull]

But, I have been using ionized, and usually always have LBF and solid bio on me as well.

[burnt ferry]

the othe day i fell into the void because even though i managed to switch from hover to jetpack midair, my liquid biofuel was empty and the pack run on solid biofuel, giving me only a few sad secojnds to rescue myself

[sullen gull]

Lol, I did that trying to get to the cave with the SAM ore in the blue crater recently 🤣

[burnt ferry]

the one where you at first think you can enter the cave from inside the crater?

only leading you to an exit at the edge of the void where y9ou have to go down further?

[sullen gull]

And then realize you have to risk falling into the void getting to it 😏u

[burnt ferry]

thats the place i fell 😂

when i exited that first cave

[latent meadow]

i kind of wish you could just turn water into vaper

[sullen gull]

Does Refined Power have steam power?

[latent meadow]

that would be nice

[burnt ferry]

theres only geysirs

[latent meadow]

dam

[burnt ferry]

i mean

[latent meadow]

be an easy way to get ride of water out of machines

[burnt ferry]

heating up water and then getting the enregy from that

[latent meadow]

without having to recycle it other ways

[burnt ferry]

it doesnt work

[sullen gull]

Source it to something else. or, if done right, recycling is very easy

[burnt ferry]

that being said.. i wanna have heat in this game. like machinery can overheat and thenmalfunctionif youdont cool it

[rigid mist]

huhhhh
my pipe is giving 570 to the refineries when they only need 480, and yet some are still undersupplied

[latent meadow]

i am abut i mean it annoying to have to do that sometimes

lol

[leaden dome]

every time you inspect an overclocked machine you take burn damage lol

[sullen gull]

There was a video from Jace a while back where he talked about what's not coming to the game. Machine damage or maintenance was one of them .

[burnt ferry]

exactly... @sullen gull your turn

[shy mulch]

looks round 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

No.

Everything including my mom wants enough water as it is.

[shy mulch]

there's probably a mod for that sort of thing, it's absolutely not wanted for the mainstream version

[sullen gull]

lemme see that pipeing! 😏

[burnt ferry]

of course.. thisll require a complete overhaul of the game physics... where each material has heat capacity and conductivity (including air)

[sullen gull]

The main point being it would take away from the "casual-ness" they wanted of the game

[rigid mist]

#screenshots message the last row, pipe in is 570 set requires 480

[burnt ferry]

you mean the one i was talking about before, when i said the games did everything to not make the game a burden but fun to play?

[rigid mist]

oh? pipe only says 400 now

[sullen gull]

Fed from a single end? And are the end ones the ones that are staving?

[rigid mist]

yes

ohhh it's fluid buffer head lift

[burnt ferry]

theres another issue which is that satisfactory is all about scale.. i.e. you want to build big, withl ots of machinery,, the game i have in mind that does have heat does not have this... here you build one glassmaker and take care of that one not overheating and if thats done itll produce enough... no need to ADDITIONALLY worry about scale... thatll be too much

[sullen gull]

Add a loop back. Getting "killed" by that "pressure drop"

[sullen gull]

That could do it too maybe...

[rigid mist]

the buffers are quite empty

[burnt ferry]

the large buffer is 12m

[sullen gull]

This took me so long to realize

[burnt ferry]

so to fill it you need to either put it lower than the producer or put a pump

[sullen gull]

If you are already over feeding, I would remove the buffers. Unless truely wanted for aesthetics I guess.

[rigid mist]

it's oil supply that's faulty probably a train issue or smth

[sullen gull]

And still add a "loop back" I.e., from a pipe from the end of the manifold, back to the front, perferable over top

[rigid mist]

ah yep i forgot to add extra storage to the station

[burnt ferry]

consider building a dedicated power plant right at the oil source

[rigid mist]

no?

[neat owl]

Hello! I just started playing Satisfactory yesterday. Any Starter tips?

[burnt ferry]

dont read this chat or reddit

[next sundial]

Take it slow. Have fun. Ignore everything you see about it. Just play it organically.

You can learn from your mistakes on your inevitable second playthrough

[neat owl]

So... Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, and Exploit? Gotcha.

[sullen gull]

I did this for my 12,300 baux alu plant. 60 gens @250 and just built the RF production "onsite"

[burnt ferry]

no... rather getting exploited, getting exploited, getting exploited and getting exploited... ficsit (tm)

[sullen gull]

Which is also the drone fuel plant as well 😏

[next sundial]

Hail Ficsit

[neat owl]

Oh, BTW I might've set up a conveyer belt across the map for a coal farm.

[next sundial]

You’re allowed to do that. It’s your world. But im judging you.

[neat owl]

On my second day of playing it.

[burnt ferry]

thats one pure oil node and roclket fuel, isnt it?

[neat owl]

in less than 16 hours

[sullen gull]

OMGERD HOW COULD YOU!!!! ARRGGG!

[neat owl]

gotta go

[sullen gull]

..... yeeeeeees ... I think lol ...

[neat owl]

bye!

[burnt ferry]

the numbr 60 sounded familar...

[rigid mist]

actually it should be fine with the buffers cause i input 1800 and only need about 1440 of it

[sullen gull]

Can't remember as I pulled the oil that's in the middle of the map to the swamp for it and other stuff.

[burnt ferry]

but Wait... i still have one row of blenders left, i was too lazy and i already have 60 gens

no wait a second.. i have 120 gens

60 gens was for one row of blenders.. which i have 3 or 4 of

[sullen gull]

This one is 10HOR, 10 TF, 4 blenders for nitro gas and 4 blenders for RF.

[burnt ferry]

i skip the turbo

i think thqt recipe had a better ratio? not sure anymore..

[sullen gull]

again, if I recall... Really don't want to load my current save and check lol. Playing around in my creative 😏

[burnt ferry]

after 120 gens, i had enough for a while

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ I go for simplicity. And to me, the HOR >TF chain is fine for me.

[burnt ferry]

skipping a production step is pretty much the definition of simplicity for me

[sullen gull]

And already had the "water farm" planned out for all the aluminum and steemed copper sheets lol

[sullen gull]

How are you "skipping" TF?

[burnt ferry]

i dont think i do better resource wise

[burnt ferry]

nitro rocket fuel

you basically put the mats fo9r turbo fuel together with HOR and get rocket fuel straight away

[sullen gull]

Oh, right, but you still have to make fuel

[burnt ferry]

yes yes, i only skip turbo, nothing else

[sullen gull]

and much more sulfur use iirc

[burnt ferry]

idc..

yet

[sullen gull]

You are aware that I don't make fuel at all. If anything, I am skipping the "fuel" setup.

And, if using diluted, you still ahave to make HOR.

[burnt ferry]

think its 4:10 vs 3:10

[burnt ferry]

turbo heavyfuel?

[rigid mist]

is there a mod to turn off fluids

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I was curious so I'm looking at it (building) now in modeler.

[burnt ferry]

how are you skipping fuel? i only see turbo heavyfuel going from hor stright to TF.. but with that you need more sulfur

[versed mesa]

Thanks mate I was on it for awhile lol

[burnt ferry]

hm. compared with diluted fuel turbo heavy fuel seems much worse even. but ive never build that.. 🤷‍♀️

[sullen gull]

Ok, so, for one node of oil, pure, oc'd to 250, 600m^3 ... You get 1066.67 using HOR>Heavy TF> RF. Using only 640 sulfur. With doing HOR> diluted> nitro, you get 2400, using 1600 sulfur.

[versed mesa]

How does one collect Nitrogen when the machine is on the node and powered on ?

[burnt ferry]

ye. more than twice the amount for less than thrice the sulfur.. thats what id expected

[sullen gull]

To get the same from the former chain, I would need 1350 oil and 1440 sulfur. Which, would go down in both instances for me becuase I reduce my compacted coal production and recycle what comes out of the RF blenders.

[versed mesa]

The resource well pressurizer

[sullen gull]

You can't recylce the compacted coal in the diluted chain, so you have to sink it or use it in some coal gens maybe.

[tame root]

when do you start making power im new

[versed mesa]

Colkect wood and leaves to turn into biomass and you use biomass generators to power things

[tame root]

oh

[burnt ferry]

you can in fact feed the compacted coal back, for making more turbofuel and then in turnmore rocket fuel...but im just coalgenning em

but yes, the compacted coal at the end is the actual big difference

the rest is pretty much the same, except for the differrence in skipped steps

[sullen gull]

Ummmmm, not with the HOR>diluted chain. Nitro alt uses coal and sulfur. It does not use compacted coal anywhere in the chain.

[burnt ferry]

i mean im feeding 120 gens already and im not even done with that oild node yet.. im fine so far 😂

[burnt ferry]

you have to build a secondary chain for rocket f uel for this to work. because yes the recipes i use so far wont re use compacted coal

[sullen gull]

My next planned build will be a combined plant of 240 somthing NPP's, 580something of Ionized plants, and 109 coal gens 🤣

[tame root]

when do you start mining automatically

[versed mesa]

Ok ive found out how to collect Nitrogen lol

[burnt ferry]

its xsuper complicated..i just discussed that variant in theory with another dude inh ere

i would never build thzt

i rebuild the setup in satis planner multple times because i refused to believe the number >300 fuel gens and hoped to have made a mistake 😂

[outer scarab]

My wet iron factory makes 4x the amount of iron I can fit on a belt :/

[burnt ferry]

YES

thats 4 belts!!

[outer scarab]

Yes but I blueprinted it to be 1 belt

[burnt ferry]

use priority merge and smart splitter cascadingly

[real shale]

[outer scarab]

So the question is, do I make it 4 belts with a redesign, or do I make 4 buildings and underclock

[burnt ferry]

guess how many '4x1' refinery boueprints i have just because orientation and me forgetting i already did several

[outer scarab]

well this one has built in water pumps

so it's complicated

[burnt ferry]

becomes true fun with blenders etc, which can have multiple configuration of o utputs and inputs

2 ffluids 1 solid into 1 solid, 1 fluid. 2 fluid into 1 solid.. etc

[rigid mist]

literally what the fuck
half of my fluid throughput just dissapears

[sullen gull]

Anymore I just make "all up round" base blueprints of single machines, though with at least 4 copies of LILO, RIRO, LIRO, etc. And then, typically I load the "config" I want, adjust belt speeds/pipes for the task, and use autoconnect for them.

[burnt ferry]

ye.and then i notice a mistake and have to fix not one but 4 different variants of each broken blueprint

[sullen gull]

I found it gave my much more freedom with machine arrangements and numbers of machines, etc

[real shale]

average fluid interaction

[burnt ferry]

once yuo have em working, certainly

[rigid mist]

no it's actually a phantom pipe

[sullen gull]

Ahh, yeah/no, that's why ya gotta test the base BP first 🤣

[rigid mist]

it's transporting 240/min just not showing

i give up with this god forsaken nuclear factory
JUST FUCKING WORK FLUIDS

[burnt ferry]

a 'mistake' can be something you didnt know better at the time but learn bout later one... making things complicated

[real shale]

me when i look at my fluid dynamics class

[unkempt blade]

do you tell your prof "just loop the pipes and quit being such a nerd"?

[sullen gull]

They are just the base machine, with conveyer floor holes, lifts, meregers/splitters. pipes, etc. No foundations, no lighting, no nothing.

[rigid mist]

again i ask, is there a way to entirely remove fluids from the game and just use packaged fluids for everything

[sullen gull]

Oh, and hidden power too 🤣

[real shale]

unfortunately not

[burnt ferry]

my usual workflow with blueprints is this: step 1 build the blueprint, step 2 use it, step 3 change about 80% of the blueprints with better ideas i have spontanously 😂 so the bp is invalidated right after first use

[sullen gull]

You able to have others join your game?

[rigid mist]

now i need to learn to mod this game damn

[outer scarab]

Yah just package your liquids

[unkempt blade]

you could simplify your pipe network by using packaged liquids right up the the very edge of the input though 🙂

[burnt ferry]

of course you can.. you should check the amount of throughput before though

1m3 is A LOT

[sullen gull]

Or, can you DM your save?

[real shale]

i think they mean using packaged fluids for the actual recipes themselves as opposed to using the fluids themselves , could be wrong though

[burnt ferry]

obviously imposible without mods

[outer scarab]

I mean you could just not use fluids

[burnt ferry]

starting by the fact that 'packaged' liquid is a solid and therefore cant be fed into a pipe input

[unkempt blade]

I agree, fluids are overrated and factory carts are better

[real shale]

You underestimate my power

[burnt ferry]

no

[real shale]

i will be feeding the containers directly into the pipes and you cannot stop me

[burnt ferry]

i wont

game will

[unkempt blade]

You just need one packager per pipe input so you can have ultra simple pipe networks. It's obviously the best choice

[next sundial]

I see no issues.

[real shale]

(i was messing around, not being literal)

[burnt ferry]

i on the other hand wasx ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DEAD SERIOUS

[real shale]

not 110%?

are you actually taking this seriously or what

[burnt ferry]

1500%\

700%, 500%

[unkempt blade]

I'm out of power shards so you only get default seriousness!

[real shale]

underclocked seriousness

[burnt ferry]

out of power shards? tha fuq?

[unkempt blade]

I used all the slugs to build a slug carousel around my hub

[burnt ferry]

slugs? bre! thats for midgamers

[unkempt blade]

taking my time with 1.1 😄

[burnt ferry]

i have 700 shards in inventory only because you cant sink them

[real shale]

same

been on phase 4 for about 2-3 weeks now

still made 0 progress on it lmao

[burnt ferry]

i had the same on phase 4 though.... ive built tonsd of machinery before even starting making one of the mats

[next sundial]

I’m still on phase 3 working on building a road network from northern forest to the dunes.

[burnt ferry]

and then i still handfed most things from shop and only in phase 5 im building actual machinery

[sullen gull]

@burnt ferry I forgot about the one auto connect that need the nudge closer on this one, so got confused when placing the third one lol. It usually goes much faster 🤣 #screenshots message

[real shale]

im still at the stage of realising how stupid past me was

[burnt ferry]

phase 4 is a tough one compared to the previous... dont worr y

[cunning siren]

Kittens and puppies are counting on us y'all 🤷

[next sundial]

Im still on my first playthrough. I can’t wait to see how dumb I was.

[burnt ferry]

the first 11 second is you searching one out of 5 icons in a single row.. 👹

[sullen gull]

Lol,.... shhhhh 🤣

It was "off the cuff" alright 🤣

OH NO

That was me pointing out the different ones lol

Very ineffectively, but still 😏

[burnt ferry]

i just have the same issue as in shapez2 which is thatim somehow trying to fit EVRYTHING into the smalles space possible when space is practically unlimited.. wasting way more time for one bp than necessary

[sullen gull]

That's why I like the single machine option.

[burnt ferry]

like in shapez i attempted to get ready made tiles straight from the mining platform, when theres no reason for it

[sullen gull]

But!, I do also end up making and deleteing them a couple times Until I the placement as I like. But, I also am going curve crazy in this save 🤣

[burnt ferry]

you mean like three converters and a particel accelarator to make something like a custom blender?

which is a useful bp i did recenbtly.. just forgo whqt it produces 😂

[sullen gull]

Uhhhh ... I mean, I do have a 2x PA ... lol

But no 😛

[rigid mist]

i hate this game

[real shale]

:O

[rigid mist]

it just occured to me
i hate this game whenever it makes no sense

[sullen gull]

Help's here if ya want it.

[burnt ferry]

what do y9u mean by 'single' machine then?

i understood yoou consider the entire bp as one machine

not an array 9of many

[unkempt blade]

You're just not using enough factory carts. Once you do that the true laws of the universe will unfold before your eyes

[rigid mist]

why spend my time playing a game i despise when i could be doing something i enjou
now just to find something i enjoy....

[sullen gull]

By making a single machine with all it's "necessities", already connected and ready, and plop those down instead of a huge block of everything crammed into it, forgetting what goes where, being very limited on design changes as you progress in a build, etc

[unkempt blade]

just ask yourself "does it spark joy" and if the answer is no then delete it from your steam library 😆

[burnt ferry]

if you have a job anywhere near IT, chances are you ruined your dchildhood hobby

[rigid mist]

i have no job, i am 14

[burnt ferry]

which is something i warned all my students of multiple times.. to run into it myself head first 😂

i think the reason i knew to warn them was me already being into it without realizing

[sullen gull]

I'm not saying I haven't made multi machine blueprints. But, no, I don't just view the BPD as a system of only copying "entire setups". I use them to make "tools" to help the work flow faster.

[burnt ferry]

then keep that warning in mind 😂 respect your weekends and your holidays

[real shale]

me making an meticulously elaborate plan for a new factory and finding a new location for it and all only to find out that two of the nodes are underground.....

[burnt ferry]

dont fall into the void

[sullen gull]

Let me guess, Sam and Quartz ... in the rocky desert perhaps? 😏

[real shale]

it is the quartz

[burnt ferry]

blue crater

[outer scarab]

i have no job but sf takes all my time

[sullen gull]

bluecrater only has SAM underground lol

[sullen gull]

I do have a job and sf takes all my "free" time 🤣

[burnt ferry]

iirc theres underground quartz without sam close by

but i might confuse

[sullen gull]

I though that was up on the plateau?

[unkempt blade]

the key is to play video games when you're supposed to be working and go outside when you're not working

[sullen gull]

err, like, up and behind .. at the "bottom" S side of the blue crater lol

[real shale]

oh........

i see how far the entrance to the quartz cave is....

[burnt ferry]

idk anymore.. i have put a bunch of miners on nodes iu havent connected otherwise yet recently

[burnt ferry]

rocky desert 😂

[sullen gull]

What is this "outside" you heathenous bastid! 😏

[cunning siren]

Ben turtling in phase 1 for this playthrough, got all the good alts. Just went to phase 2 and turning in some hard drives... 🙏 to RNG Jesus for Solid Steel Ingot

[real shale]

I was hoping these quartz nodes would be out in the open to make silicon circuit boards with the nearby copper vein.....I guess "nearby" is not nearby anymore

[burnt ferry]

ruin the job before the hobby? to lower expectations? take my advice then: if you never sleep, you dont have to get up

[sullen gull]

Wtf is wrong with me, I go to firefox, satisfactory map on the mind, meant to go to SCIM, but instead instinctively typed maps.goo.... 🤦‍♂️

[sullen gull]

Not possible to belt/train it out to where you are planning your factory? Whoops

[burnt ferry]

you can process the quartz with pure recipes at the water at the northern entry of the cave

[sullen gull]

Not possible to belt/train it out to where you are planning your factory?

[cunning siren]

I'm in Northern Forest start NW by the water, lots of resources here

[sullen gull]

Lol, sorry, read it again mate 😏

Was meant for another 🤣

[cunning siren]

OH

[real shale]

belting it would be insane, i could process it by the water as ohcibi said and then train it back over

[sullen gull]

Got caught by the chat moving 🤣

[real shale]

but man that has....SIGNIFICANTLY changed plans LOL

[sullen gull]

Happens to all of us at one point I'm sure 🤣

[cunning siren]

With a good blueprint YOU got this! Sky belts 4 teh win!

[real shale]

i am really against long distance belting if i can avoid it

[burnt ferry]

#screenshots message i put my factory right atop the underground nodes... and then i take the nitrogen NW along

i just have a belt from the top of the conveyor lifts (mind you, you can glitch lifts to any height for such situations)

[real shale]

yeah i was going to put the factory roughly where you are, and use the nearby nodes to make silicon circuit boards and crystal oscillators

[burnt ferry]

besides im recommending caterium boards instead (which is irrelevant for this), thats almost the same as i do

[sullen gull]

There is a caterium node "nearby" there

[burnt ferry]

i have another factory there

called 'big make everything fac'

[real shale]

trynna automate radio control units which is why i trekked out here

[outer scarab]

you are suppose to automate everything

😛

in Factorio there is an achievement for hand crafting less than 10 items

[feral geyser]

Including ammo, nobs, and filters 😏

[outer scarab]

obviously

[burnt ferry]

i have automated all my sinks by putting a container in front and a belt to connect, to generate the coupons ni needed for all ther radio units in the beginning when i needed them 👹

[real shale]

oh my god, im going to have to make so many railway tracks to make this work lmao aaaaaaa, damn you rocky desert

[sullen gull]

I have another power plant and rubber/plastic(1200/1200), quartz/silica(max yeild) being trained out and also reanimated sam ofc. Not sure what else yet though. I built more near the water to the West as well heh.

[rigid mist]

i uninstalled the game
imma go do something i enjoy now

[outer scarab]

if you want to improve your rubber/plastic plant, set up a rubber to plastic and plastic to rubber overflow

[cunning siren]

I made a skybelt blueprint and realized celling mount belts are far superior. No jetpack or hover pack required. Can leisurely walk on top of the foundation as I stamp the blueprint and connect the floor outlets. Ez-mode. Another nice thing about ceiling conveyors is they automatically create new poles when dragging new belts 🤷 wish that was an option with regular belts

[real shale]

oh wow invisible water at the cave entrance

[burnt ferry]

i would show you another screenshot but i need 5 minutes by train to get there 😂

yes, thats the one 😂

[sullen gull]

Hypertuuube caaaonooN! 😏

[leaden dome]

Genuinely my favorite recipes in the whole game

[burnt ferry]

im a public transport believer

[outer scarab]

i hate vehicals, I do belts only

[real shale]

"Public"

working for a incorporated company

thats private transport right there

[burnt ferry]

they are not the same though.. vehicles have an implicit buffer allowiong you to properly decouple production ratios from one another... i can understand the hate but keep in mind they are for a purpose a belt can never fit

[real shale]

holy this cave is an arachnaphobes worst night lmao

[burnt ferry]

im also a believer in reality

[real shale]

20 million stingers in here

[burnt ferry]

--> tons of dna

[next sundial]

Gimme those coupons

[burnt ferry]

(esc->options->gameplay->alien behavior->passive)

[sullen gull]

And, as someone put it a while ago, they can greatly add an aesthetic 🙂

^Vehicles

[real shale]

i aint about that life, I am all for being chased halfway across the map by wildlife

looking at you, alpha stingers who dont leave me alone for the next 500m

[burnt ferry]

he looks so cute... when i smash its alien face with my xeno basher

[real shale]

i hate them so much because i have game volume attenuation on so i dont hear them coming sometimes

and then all of a sudden i get jumpscared by them

[burnt ferry]

when i go through caves fast, i still get creeped every once in a while, when they suddenly appear in the corner of my eye

[real shale]

ive had one leap at me right as i turn around to face it

terrifying

[eager cloud]

I 100%d the game after 150 hours. What now :(

[real shale]

be more efficient

[next sundial]

Make it prettier

[burnt ferry]

finish homework

[sullen gull]

Start a creative, experiment. Go wyld!

[real shale]

seek employment

[burnt ferry]

make taxes

[real shale]

oh my god, i got jumpscared by one that was stuck in a rock, i knew it was there but when it died its corpse just launched outta the rock and scared me

[burnt ferry]

watch a youtube video about the downfall of german game show 'wetten, dass'

[eager cloud]

how long did it take yall

[real shale]

uh

at this rate another 800 hours

[burnt ferry]

im at 800 hours and not finished yet... but my dick is pretty large at least

[sullen gull]

Uhhhhh

[burnt ferry]

875 hours in fact

[burnt ferry]

HAD TO call it

apparenty it helped 👹

[next sundial]

I’m on phase III at like 85 hours

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ Probably better ways for sure lol. But I get where you going heh.

[eager cloud]

I rq and restarted 3 times too lol

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ Took me over 1900 in my last save to finish phase 5 again lol. Talk about lack of "motivation" to progress lol.

Was having to much fun just testing/breaking shit lol

[eager cloud]

Phase 5 is unironically the easiest

[real shale]

actually why am i overcomplicating this, one of the cave entrances is situated right next to copper and iron, that makes it simpler

[sullen gull]

Oh I know, that was my third 🤣

[burnt ferry]

not if thats the phase where you actually start to buld machinery as all 4 phase before that are so much easier that you can in fact handfed most of the things

[sullen gull]

Only started that one though because I wanted the achievements, but also wasn't 'that' motivated.

[burnt ferry]

according to achievements i havent finished onboarding yet

[boreal musk]

start new save

[sullen gull]

Heh, I had to reload a previous save to get the complete MAM one because I had installed refined power on a night of drinks and forgot about it lol. Well, it screws up the mam completeing

Anywho, only one left, and I refuse to get it until I have a save that I am 3000% "proud" of 🤣

[eager cloud]

The golden nut achievement was wild. Had 3 2.5% slooped automated ballistic warp drive manufacturers working for hours

[boreal musk]

if you are not automating space parts, phase 5 is laughably easy

[sullen gull]

Sucks that there isn't an achievemnt for "speed run" 🤷‍♂️

[boreal musk]

you only need 1/4 of the time it took to finish phase 4

[burnt ferry]

according to wiki turbomotors have best coupon value iirc

[sullen gull]

Heh, 6-8 hours really I think.

[eager cloud]

Still havent beat dsp and that achievement terrifies me

[sullen gull]

Especially if you've been automating everything already .

[burnt ferry]

how can you finish phase 5 faster than phase 4 without automation? that makes no sense.. every item requires a multitude of the phase4 items

you have to have some automation in place for this to be true

and if its just for the coupon to buy the stuff to handfed

[sullen gull]

Have factorio, dsp, foundry, and a couple others, but, like, I think factorio as the "longest play time" of ... 2.2 hours 🤣

Wait, sorry, shapes2 is at 2.6 😏

[burnt ferry]

2.6 hours total playtime?

[frail sleet]

i got my golden nut in phase 4 just from sinking overflow

[boreal musk]

my fastest clear on phase 4 is 10hrs, and phase 5 is just half of it

[real shale]

idk why but the standard rifle ammo sounds so much more satisfying than the turbo ammo

[sullen gull]

It''s been my choice as of late, even though I am automating all three lol.

Smalll mag, but meh. I'm on retaliate anyhow lol

[boreal musk]

i always prefer homing, turbo is very awkward to use for me

[real shale]

turbo feels awkward yeah

[sullen gull]

Agree

[real shale]

i end up just using it like the standard ammo anyway rather than going full auto

unless im dealing with stingers, they get full auto

[boreal musk]

not to mention you need to use it up close or else all your bullets will miss 90% of the time bcs of how bad the enemy's hitboxes are

[sullen gull]

Two shots for the small ones ... maybe a mag for the large? can't remember lol

[burnt ferry]

hm apparentoly i was wron about the coupon value of turbomotors, however i think you can make more than ten turbomotors by the time yjou made one ballistic warp drive.... making them still more efficient

[boreal musk]

or just spam ai expansion server

[burnt ferry]

thats worth only two turbomotors though

the wrp drive at least is x10

bit more even

[boreal musk]

which is very cheap to make

and you can mass produce them

[burnt ferry]

cheap is not the issue

[boreal musk]

theyre also net positive at dmr iirc

[burnt ferry]

time

[boreal musk]

im talking about end product and its worth of points

[sullen gull]

Does everone not just stick an ISC with a smart splitter overflow to the sink at the end of each production line?

[burnt ferry]

you need at least 1 turbomotor toi make a warp drive.. save the rest for all the other expenseive materials and just crqft 15 turbomotors instead

[boreal musk]

if you want to maximize points its generally better to go for bwd, but expansion server is a cheap workaround if you want it fast

[burnt ferry]

and then you also need nuclear pasta

[eager cloud]

I had 1 megafactory and i didnt want every line in that factory producing forever

[burnt ferry]

so i conclude: using the warp drive to finish the nut is a time waste

not even considering that you will reach 1000 coupons eventually anyway, without building machinery f0r it

[eager cloud]

For energy and input reasons

[sullen gull]

But ... everything must run at 100% (or damn close) 100% of the tiime!

I'm sure it's in the Ficsit rule book somewhere 😏

[burnt ferry]

makes sense.. i have a sink at a computer production, which causes both my plastic and rubber to be drained quickly.. just disablingf the sink frees me of generating like thrice the amounts

[sullen gull]

Heh, I spend my coupons too frequently lol. It'll be a while till I'm at 1000 anyhow. And, besides, I'm just holding that as the final "I beat my addictions the game!

[burnt ferry]

lul.. on the topic of effectiveness of coupon generation... according to the wiki (and i have no clue, just quote) the best item is the silicon circuit board, considering how much MORE coupons you get from sinking those boards instead of its input materials

[boreal musk]

introducing my one screw machine in the back of the line that stuck at 99% bcs the rounding fuck up the numbers

the light goes yellow at 0.2s every few seconds

[eager cloud]

Even screws...?

[sullen gull]

Screws are easy peasy.

[burnt ferry]

fully overclocked and sloped steel screws constructor exceeds a mk6 belt

[sullen gull]

steel screws + alu beams, fogetaboutit

[burnt ferry]

and that behavior sounds a lot like clogged output or too little input

[sullen gull]

And that's an easy 4800 screws with ... 10 constructors I think?

[burnt ferry]

screws not, because you dont need no screws, hence no production is running, hence no 100% needed

[boreal musk]

its a problem from the input, it actually starved bcs it needs 0.05 more

which is a rounding problem

[sullen gull]

Yeah, 10. 8 for screws, two for the beams.

[real shale]

oh wow i am going to be insanely oversaturated on quartz crystals with the pure recipe lmao, with the silica out of the way i can squeeze out 863.33 quartz crystal a minute, nice, crystal oscillators galore

[boreal musk]

well ig that make sense when im working with .9573% clock speed

[burnt ferry]

coughpinkdiamondscough

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[real shale]

i do not know what those are, i am innocent :D

[burnt ferry]

yes

for now

[neat owl]

Hey guys, if i want to move my HUB, Do I just dismantle it, or is there a catch?

[sullen gull]

No catch

[boreal musk]

i got that number bcs i tried to maximize the iron nodes i got around that area, so the numbers is kinda awkward

[neat owl]

Got it.

[real shale]

a, but i need 616m^3 of water a minute.....seems i am trekking a second pipe over for just 16m^3 of water o7

[boreal musk]

well water is free, not so bad

unlike my nuclear plant that needs 1210/min caterium ore

[dense violet]

process the crystal next to the water then. All part of hte planning process

[dense violet]

or use a bit more crystal with the normal recipe

[burnt ferry]

thats why you czn also UNDERclock

[boreal musk]

literally not the problem

[sullen gull]

Imo, I just let modeler do it for me. I build the chain, it gives be a machine count of like 12.4, and now, you just auto round it to 13 machines and it spits the clock rate you need for all of em.

[boreal musk]

that extra 10 is the problem, which is very small number

[real shale]

cant do that, has to be done in the cave so i can put it back out for the iron to make crystal oscillators

[boreal musk]

and im not wasting a caterium node just for that 10

[dense violet]

then use a little more crystal with a constructor

[burnt ferry]

you misunderstood.. you can underclock ypour machinery such that you need esxactly 1200

[dense violet]

you don't have to use only 1 recipe for a process

[boreal musk]

youre the one who misunderstood, my nuclear plant needs exactly 1210/min

[burnt ferry]

lul?

then underclock it such that it needs ten lesss 😂

[real shale]

i hate this cave so much lmao

[burnt ferry]

once a working miner is there they will stop respawning

like 150m around the miner or something like that

[real shale]

its not the stingers, its just, i hate the cave in general lmao

[burnt ferry]

yeh they are clumsy

i'm leading 3 belts out that entrance where there is water invisible at the end

they are 50% inside terrain 😂

[real shale]

i decided to use the other entrance near the water

to avoid having to trek both pipes and belts out the same entrance

[burnt ferry]

pipes?

[real shale]

for pure quartz crystal

[burnt ferry]

ahll i build that fac outside

like 8 meters above the water

[real shale]

yeah, im doing it an odd way, where i pipe into it, process the silica and quartz in the cave and belt it back out to the entrance near the iron and copper node

[sullen gull]

I ran pipe an limestone in as part of the rail system

[nocturne condor]

Lets climb this super high rock! gets radiation warning lets get down from this super high rock!

[sullen gull]

And built it all in the cave 😏

[real shale]

The true mastermind would put the train IN the cave

[sullen gull]

If it's the super tall spire, there is an achievement when you make it to the top. Just come back when you have suit/filters.

[burnt ferry]

voicesoundinglikethroughagasmask what?

[sullen gull]

The train does go into the cave lol

[real shale]

Oh my LOL

[nocturne condor]

Nah shorter one than that one

[nocturne condor]

I would send a gif of the tf2 pyro but the server for some reason doesnt allow st uff like that

[burnt ferry]

i would respond with some screenshot of quake 2 (black and white) manifesting my authority

[real shale]

simply tank the radiation and get to the top, make sure you end up with 5 generations of radiation sickness just to get that achivement

[burnt ferry]

ye radiation is MUCH easier to tank than fart gas

ifyoure not as close it barely drains health

whereas gas is either all or nothing

just jdont attempt to mine uranium without filter, thattl most prolly kill you

[real shale]

wait, do stackable pipeline supports just not rotate 45 degrees on foundations? but the normal ones do?

[burnt ferry]

as it has width, on plaforms, yes

[nocturne condor]

I mean I have no reason to tank the radition so i wont bother

[sullen gull]

@real shale Still a great deal of "work in progress" #screenshots message

[burnt ferry]

you can place a foundation rotated by 45 degrees and then snap the pipeline pole to that one

[real shale]

woah thats actually kinda cool, nice

[burnt ferry]

as as rule of thumb: try to do what the foundation dictates.. itll prolly benefit you later on when making the thing more complex or connecting it to another thing

(like i said 'try to'.. not always possible)

[real shale]

oh yeah, i learned that lesson that hard way and it is what led me to ripping apart half my factories and rebuilding them

[burnt ferry]

height is also an issue

you can nudge and build in a 1m grid

but some things only move 2m

for the same reason i avoid 'half nudges' (hold ctrl key) as much as possible.. because you cant nudge a lift that is snapped at all

[feral geyser]

Which things?

[burnt ferry]

the height of the belt pole

[feral geyser]

Ah

That's not exactly nudging though

[burnt ferry]

not sure if its 1m/2m it certainly is 1step/2step

[burnt ferry]

hence i said 'move'

however, some things dont half step nudge as well

[feral geyser]

Ah

[burnt ferry]

theres all sorts of issues on that matter

lift merger/splitterw dont nudge. or they do nudge but then the game claims theyre not on thel ift anymore

or you cant add a lift splitter at the same height a lift could stick out of a floor hole

the lift merger/splitter always has a distance of 1m to the hole

[shy mulch]

I'm aware of the "every alt has a purpose" idea
but
bolted iron plate, bolted frame
what on earth is their purpose? they both seem objectively worse than the regular recipe
I can answer the question myself, they allow you to build less machines at the cost of using more resources, but surely that's a bit of a stretch to be called "worthwhile"

[feral geyser]

Faster throughput per machine than any other plate or frame recipe

Not a stretch at all

Cuz later, screws are dummy easy

[burnt ferry]

later you dont need screws at all

[shy mulch]

so being able to produce the same output with less machines is the only reason

[feral geyser]

I'd rather deal with screws than twice the number of machines.

[shy mulch]

id rather get more output from the raw materials

[burnt ferry]

not seeing this as a valid reasonmust be ragebait

its like the definitionof the gameplay

have machineries, have less

[feral geyser]

Depends on what needs to be optimized

[shy mulch]

oh give over with the "ooh it must be ragebait because i dont agree" nonsense
not gonna continue a conversation with someone who talks like that

[burnt ferry]

not about agreeing.. not an opinion.. facts

plus youre known for ragebait

[noble sand]

[burnt ferry]

never seen you do anything else 😂

[shy mulch]

seriously? now THAT is ragebait, behave yourself

[feral geyser]

Saving space by using fewer machines is a perfectly valid optimization, because sometimes you want a building to be some place particular and don't have space to expand it.

[burnt ferry]

im the headmaster of the trollls.. doesnt work on me

[meager fern]

i didnt know that anyone would disagree with that

[noble sand]

insert political statement here

[shy mulch]

all I do is try to help people, there's been a total of 2 times I've asked questions and actually wanted others to help me, and both those times I've been flamed for it, great fucking community spirit

[burnt ferry]

nobody does.. its ragebait

[shy mulch]

lesson learned, don't ask questions

[burnt ferry]

😂

[meager fern]

"using less machines isnt a valid reason to use a recipe" doesnt seem like "help"

[feral geyser]

I mean, if your default strat is build giant sky lasagna, then yeah, you might think that's an invalid viewpoint.

But that's not me.

[burnt ferry]

lemme show you somnething (not sure if it works)

[meager fern]

different people have different goals. but having a different goal isnt a reason to invalidate others goals

[shy mulch]

you all just going to pile on now and take your turns flaming me? is that what this community does now?

[feral geyser]

Do ask, but also, don't feed the trolls

[burnt ferry]

@shy mulch resources are unlimited in this game

[sullen gull]

❤️ ya buuuudy

[feral geyser]

I'm not trying to flame you, please don't take it like that

[wintry carbon]

is it better to put 2 input and 1 output belts between to machine rows (wich i will expand later when needed) or 2 output and one input belts?

[feral geyser]

I just think discrediting that view point is a bit myopic

[meager fern]

oh no, big words i dont know

[burnt ferry]

i was to bold 😂 try that when he forgot about this 😂

[feral geyser]

Myopic = short-sighted

[meager fern]

people using fancy words for no reason makes me angry 😠

[burnt ferry]

marvelous

[feral geyser]

Are you ESL? (English as Second Language)

[burnt ferry]

ah come on

i am... lets not go this route

[meager fern]

no, but i have some bad experiences with people who like to use big words for no reason

[feral geyser]

No no, it's fine if you are

[meager fern]

im as white as sliced bread, and not quite as english as a british person

[burnt ferry]

i can see a dislike for fancy word within your native language.. as people in fact do use iT to show off

not everybodyk but its not uncommon

[feral geyser]

I was gonna say, if you said anything in your native language, I would not get it, so you are smarter than me in that sense.

[meager fern]

i had a family member who liked to use big words to make themselves seem better than others

[burnt ferry]

ye i know.. thats common

[feral geyser]

That's uncool

[meager fern]

yeah they would use the stupidest words in a normal conversation and be like "you need to read a dictionairy book if you dont know what that word means"

[burnt ferry]

andmind you nobody is saying you are doing that

just as a reminder

[meager fern]

yeah i'm just saying that im not a huge fan of fancy words for that reason

[feral geyser]

Oh I will continue using words of immense longitudinality

Don't you worry

[outer hatch]

Funny verbiage is quite cromulent.

[burnt ferry]

to go a bit full circlell it does help to KNOW fancy words, because thats how you spot the disguise

[cunning siren]

Ahhhh, watching the first steel beam roll off the line

[burnt ferry]

most importantly its unimpressive, because there ise chatgpt now

[feral geyser]

...
I had to look it up 😭

[meager fern]

i got the gist of it, based on context

[boreal musk]

i feel like using chatgpt will just made me dumber, which is why i avoid using it as much as i could

[burnt ferry]

longitudinality.. creative, but easy to spot 😂

[outer hatch]

Which I resent, because I earned that thesaurus-in-my-head. (Though for me, it came mostly from being an ESL + reading English fiction in the original language)

[feral geyser]

Native tongue?

[burnt ferry]

may be, how do i know though? i need to dig deeper than just reading your texts

[outer hatch]

Sacrebleu! (So yes, I do have quite a bit of cross-vocabulary built in)

[meager fern]

its ravishingly exquisite that specimens such as you have such a splendiferous mastery of the english lexicon

[burnt ferry]

special mans?

[feral geyser]

Bro, I type "fr" in the emoji search and a baguette comes up, wtf

Stereotyping gone wild

[meager fern]

the french flag is the first for me, sounds like its more on you

[sullen gull]

First question, what are some of these "fancy words" that make you think people are trying to show off?

[outer hatch]

Its second alias is :french_bread: 🥖

[burnt ferry]

'french bread'

[feral geyser]

Makes more sense

[meager fern]

i dont get french bread until "fre"

fr, gives flag_fr

[burnt ferry]

:cn shows flag_cn only (and basket for some reason)

[neat owl]

Quick Question, in the productive packer minigame, (It's fine if you don't know this,) What is the highest KNOWN score?

[burnt ferry]

few lines down

[meager fern]

i mean as the top result related to french

[feral geyser]

Idk, but they should put global leader boards on it.

[neat owl]

Honestly dude

[burnt ferry]

he just said baguette comes up

but i too looked at the top first

[meager fern]

i would only say that if it was the top result, so i guess thats just my misunderstanding

[neat owl]

WAIT A SEC WHY IS THAT YOUR NAME

[feral geyser]

I'd play it more if there were global leaderboards

[meager fern]

it "comes up" as the first result, type of thing

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch FICSIT_Productive_Packer_Deluxe

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=FICSIT_Productive_Packer_Deluxe

[feral geyser]

Forward Exploration and Examination Team 🫡 at your service

[sullen gull]

There is a link there for a world leader board.

[feral geyser]

I am the team leader.

[burnt ferry]

assuming you8 dont know 'french bread' the fact that baguette comes up on fr is oddly enough regardless of the position

[neat owl]

OK... YOU HAD ME WORRIED

[meager fern]

i work in a grocery store and sell lots of french bread. damn non french people liking french bread

[shrewd palm]

do you have any more funny acronyms or is it just that and P.I.S.S

[sullen gull]

Check the wiki, there are leader boards

[feral geyser]

Just cuz it means one thing doesn't mean it can't mean the other 😏

[burnt ferry]

wait a jminute.. is that grocery store in france? or in the usa?

[neat owl]

wha... HUH

[feral geyser]

They are being workshopped

[sullen gull]

Someone named atomic, with 45,000

[meager fern]

🇨🇦

[burnt ferry]

because you nmight no know it but ALL bread from the usa taste like shit (that includes canada probably)

im german, we bake bread in elementary school.. so choose your response wisely

[meager fern]

it tastes like bread, i dunno what else bread is supposed to taste like. i'm not a huge fan of whole wheat its too healthy

white is my bread of choice

[shrewd palm]

peak mentioned

all others will fall before us

[feral geyser]

P.I.S.S. = Pioneer Industrial Safety Supply
#screenshots message

[meager fern]

🦫 🫎 🍁

[burnt ferry]

french bread is white t ypically

[meager fern]

exactly, so why do they need french bread. just eat white bread. its so pretentious 😔

[neat owl]

Guys, why do I have early access exclusive cosmetics if I just got the game yesterday?

[shrewd palm]

there are early access cosmetics?

[feral geyser]

Ya know that felt gross

[burnt ferry]

the ones iknow taste better than the average white bread

[real shale]

Yeah, gold helmet, gold nut trinket and golden build tool

[feral geyser]

Sorry guys

[neat owl]

golden nut, Golden helmet, golden builder

[burnt ferry]

also why eat rolls?:

[meager fern]

i bake my bread at home, so the stuff i get is always inferior. i make a nice japanese milk bread. very soft and moist

[outer hatch]

Eh, we've got all sorts. Baguettes are mostly white bread, but we have degrees of white-to-whole. Most boulangeries have a "tradition" baguette which is white-ish, so to speak.

[burnt ferry]

bro

'japanese' and 'bread' uh-uh

[neat owl]

WHY DO I HAVE THE EARLY ACCSESS STUFF GUYS

[boreal musk]

its available for everyone

[neat owl]

WTF

[meager fern]

you got a problem with that? its slightly sweeter than normal bread, but its really good

[outer hatch]

(But maybe we should move the 🥖 talk to #off-topic-general )

[burnt ferry]

asian bread could be worse than dutch bread

its cake oftentimes... not bread

[neat owl]

THEN IT'S NOT EARLY ACCSESS EXCLUSIVE

[burnt ferry]

just thinking of it.. brrrrr

[outer hatch]

I'm not sure anything can be worse that 🇳🇱

[neat owl]

WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BREAD

[burnt ferry]

ye dutch bread is really toughl or shall we say dutch air

[sullen gull]

Yet, stilll one of the healthier cultures on the planet 🤔

[burnt ferry]

and it certainlyisnt tough 😂

[real shale]

a well fed pioneer is an efficient pioneer

[meager fern]

you are the first person i'll have blocked for an opinion on bread. congrats(insert caseoh banned meme)

[neat owl]

https://tenor.com/view/hyperventilate-cant-breathe-hyperventilation-sheldon-cooper-gif-13736466374962565464 WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BREAD

[burnt ferry]

bread is just a failed attempt to copy when they have no reason to copy food... alth0ugh the general opinion about the healthiness of asian food is overrated.... in fact wherever they enjoy spice, them stommachs suffer as much as ours do

[meager fern]

because french bread was mentioned and i really enjoy making japanese milk bread and that person offended me 😔 the bread talk is done because of these uncultured swine

[neat owl]

It's BREAD

WTF

[meager fern]

yeah, its bread, thats all the explanation thats needed to justify the discussion

[sullen gull]

Imo, they are just going for the rouse at this point.

movin on. 🤷‍♂️

[neat owl]

NO DIFFERENT, NOR SAME

BREAD

JUST, BREAD

[outer hatch]

Technically, we are talking about bread because someone used 'myopic', which devolved into a discussion about big words and appreciation thereof, which lead to talking about ESL (and my experience as an ESL from 🇫🇷, which led to someone wondering why the baguette emoji was filtered on :fr, which lead to the subsequent discussion.

[burnt ferry]

the fact that someone even attempts to convince a german about them bread NOT being superior 😂

[sullen gull]

No need to shout it though ..

[neat owl]

THERE WAS PLENTY NEED TO SHOUT.

We're tlking about BREAD.

[feral geyser]

(im gonna do it)

[outer hatch]

German bread is good, but it's in no way superior. Now 🇦🇹 , they do have a claim to challenge our rightful title.

[feral geyser]

LOOOOUUUUDDD NOOISESS

[real shale]

okay but what kind of coffee do you think the pioneer drinks

[neat owl]

Instead of the game the discord server is made after

[feral geyser]

Can't be decaf

[outer hatch]

Is it even coffee?

[neat owl]

SO WHY

[feral geyser]

We get off topic at times cuz we love each other in here

[outer hatch]

(Seriously yes, we should talk about 🥖 on #off-topic-general )

[meager fern]

i use a french press to get all the oils out for the full flavor

[burnt ferry]

the more caps you post the higher the chance y0u getting bannedll; maybe thats why?

[neat owl]

I BEG TO DIFFER

[real shale]

it know its black but, i would love to know the coffees origin

[neat owl]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[feral geyser]

It's probably cheap replicator-style coffee

They loaded a single bean into the machine and have it duplicated for eternity.

[burnt ferry]

must be french cofffee 😂

[real shale]

"the sensation, it tingles, I must have more"

"500 litres of coffee"

[feral geyser]

Bro's gonna start another war

[meager fern]

apparently decaf is actually german(if thats what you are referring to here)

[burnt ferry]

our cats dont shit coffeebeans though

[meager fern]

"Decaf coffee originated in Germany in the early 1900s through the work of German merchant Ludwig Roselius"

[feral geyser]

Maybe he could've like... not?

[burnt ferry]

ye we also have malzkaffee for children

[feral geyser]

Ooh, malt coffee? That might be good

[outer hatch]

No, I was asking is the stuff the pioneer was drinking was even coffee.

[burnt ferry]

i loved it iirc

[meager fern]

oh , well it could've applied to either, decaf is barely coffee

[outer hatch]

Instead of a weird chemical brew that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike coffee.

[feral geyser]

It sure seems like it is. It's too dark for tea

[burnt ferry]

its prolly french bread dough

[feral geyser]

Maybe it's Irish coffee 😏

[real shale]

no, pioneers do not get drunk on duty

[next sundial]

Its used gear oil from the machinery. Recycling is the FICSIT way.

[meager fern]

"Patch 0.4.0.0:
Introduced 'Employee of the Planet' Cup.
Improved the visual of the coffee in the cup, such as ripples and steams."

[outer hatch]

I was thinking more along the lines of a FICSIT-produced, cheaper, coffee-smelling and coffee-tasting but actually chlorobenzoate-based simil-coffee.

[burnt ferry]

1984

[real shale]

we actually have to commend the pioneer for being able to not spill a single drop while moving about

[feral geyser]

OSHA ain't here

[outer hatch]

(Note: I have no idea if chlorobenzoate is actually a stable molecule, but it sounds like one)

[real shale]

ada is however

[feral geyser]

ADA can have some too

[meager fern]

"4-Chlorobenzoic acid is an organic compound with the molecular formula ClC₆H₄CO₂H. It is a white solid that is soluble in some organic solvents and in aqueous base"

[next sundial]

Spilling the coffee gets you on the list

[feral geyser]

The same list as riding belts, or a different one?

[next sundial]

Unknown. I don’t take those kind of risks.

[real shale]

wait....riding belts gets you put on a list.....

uh......yeah ive never done that before haha

[feral geyser]

After last month, I'm certain I'm on a list or two

[meager fern]

no sir, im definetly not near the top, and i definetly dont use it as a form of transportation in areas where i dont even need belts. i definetly dont use mark 3s in place of just running

[burnt ferry]

pro tip: start the belt on a platform lower than the one you are building the belt on and let it emerge through the platform, such that you have a ramp to r un onto the belt

[meager fern]

slide running with blade runners on belts totally isnt a good mode of transportation

[feral geyser]

Listen if I can use a conveyor in an airport, i can use a conveyor in my factory

[meager fern]

in other news, its kind of amazing how much speed you can pick up on a good stretch of land using blade runners, with slide running+jumping. so much momentum

you can just go zooming

[boreal musk]

if only its in real life, traffic wont be a thing

[burnt ferry]

or you just use your reliable train network

[meager fern]

sorry i dont have trains, i'm only on tier 4

[burnt ferry]

it wont be reliable either

[meager fern]

then its a good thing i didnt want trains. belts are all a man needs

[burnt ferry]

no

unless your want your enti8re production lines to stop because of one belt

[meager fern]

better than having my entire production line stop because of one train

[burnt ferry]

which wont happen... can block max the number of production lines as it has wagons

[meager fern]

unless it happens, like if it derails, like the last train i used

[burnt ferry]

if you truly dont use trains at all but 100% belts only, it can block everything

[meager fern]

belts are safer 😔 belts cant fail me

if your belt is failing you, then you need more belts

your network is only as fast as your slowest point

[burnt ferry]

which is not your trainstations since they take and deliver two belts at once

[meager fern]

and then theres belts, the infallable glory of god incarnate

[burnt ferry]

you might not know this and/or be surprised

[meager fern]

your trains cant do everything, belt supremacy

[burnt ferry]

but trainstations

dont work... without belts....

[meager fern]

exactly, in the end its all belts. cut out the middle man, elevate belts to their rightful place

[burnt ferry]

na its more like teaching your child to speak

like the speak cant exist without the child

however the child wont get far without the speak

[meager fern]

i think someone mentioned asl earlier...

[burnt ferry]

im colllecting the remaining 10 slops

[wicked marlin]

i've been messing around with a 3 way junction and its not really working. sorry i dont think its possible, there just just no way to know where your going or press enough times to pick a path.

[outer hatch]

Pionneers with full inventories soaring through hypertubes >>> Trains & Belts

[meager fern]

if you can keep 10 factories that needs thousands of resources a minute going with 100% uptime with just yourself and hypertubes, then all the power to you

[dense violet]

that's not so tough once you have the hang of the basics

[outer hatch]

It's obviously rather tongue in cheek.

But I did finish the game with only a single main factory, and two HT-linked outposts, (one oil-based, one aluminium-based) and with enough storage buffering, it was quite possible to do it all with myself as a courier.

[modern jungle]

Is there anyway to put more than one item into one dimensional depot without having anything jam?

[outer hatch]

Don't think so. As soon as one of the item types reach its DD's stack limit and accepts a new one, then objects of the other type will never get in.

[dense violet]

you have more than enough mercer speheres for everything

[outer hatch]

Also this.

[dense violet]

I suppose in theory you could time your building using specific resources in such a way that the various resources are always getting used so never clog?
seems like it'd be a bit of an unreasonable ask though

[placid stirrup]

Priority mergers and smart splitters with like 20 calculations vs the humble Mercer sphere

[manic topaz]

to even out geothermal generator production
am i supposed to connect the geothermal gen to a battery and then to my main grid
or am i supposed to connect the geothermal gen and the battery to my main grid

[feral geyser]

If they're both connected, the order doesn't matter

[manic topaz]

thrilling

[feral geyser]

The batteries will charge when there is excess and discharge when there is deficiency

It will never "level it out," it will always make a sine wave

But the more you add, the more it flattens, as those waves are not likely to be in phase.

[manic topaz]

that makes sense
thanks

[cunning siren]

How long does it take to build a ladder to the skybox? 🤔

[feral geyser]

It's almost 2.5km up

So start from a high point.

[gentle jacinth]

my uranium fuel cell making building looks like one of those grey concrete bland buildings

i acnt even get close to it without getting a hint of radiation

[feral geyser]

You gotta have filters, right?

[gentle jacinth]

i do

[feral geyser]

So what's the worry?

[gentle jacinth]

how else would i have made it there

it just looks dull

[feral geyser]

Take a look through the media in #design-and-architecture

We got some crazy good builders in here, might find some inspiration

[cunning siren]

Full steel build up AND still on biofuel gens 😆

[zenith pecan]

Manifolded the radioactive stuff I guess, my nuclear was almost completely without radiation.

[gentle jacinth]

yeah my factory looks like brutalist architecture

[cunning siren]

Can doggos give high speed connectors if tree is not unlocked?

[gentle jacinth]

much smaller than the last time i tried though

[feral geyser]

Brutalism is a valid architectural style

[placid stirrup]

You can do a lot with it, too

And it doesn't have to be concrete all the time 😉

[feral geyser]

Steel walls and windows go a long way

[zenith pecan]

My old build was really brutalist, concrete and glass, the whole thing, this is my current architecture #satisfactory-experimental message

[cunning siren]

Mah doggos being stingy with the connectors

[feral geyser]

Yoo, but like... that's a crazy sexy build

[placid stirrup]

Even though brutalism is technically defined by its use of concrete... We transcend the narrow thinking of mono-planetary systems

[zenith pecan]

It also makes a lot of electric.

[cunning siren]

Do high speed connectors show up in the shop in phase 2?

[feral geyser]

Once you unlock them

Either through phases or in the MAM

[meager fern]

i was wondering why my reinforced iron plates line wasnt doing well. i messed up my load balancer, so instead of sending 15 plates per minute to my assembly line, i was sending it into my storage

[gentle jacinth]

isnt load balancing like bad for some things

[zenith pecan]

Overcomplicates things and is bulkier than a typical manifold, load balancing works well with radioactive stuff as (assuming you don't let the system back up) cuts radiation by never having giant stacks.

[meager fern]

counterpoint. manifold yucky

i only needed 15 plates/min from one constructor, and wanted 5 plates/min for building, so it was the easiest thing to do 🤷

i just split when i shouldve merged, and merged when i shouldve split

or i guess mostly just split when i should've merged

[feral geyser]

Then yeah, split to three, merge two, and you'll have 10 and 5

[real shale]

counterpoint

sushi belt is supreme for everything

[meager fern]

i had 1 splitter that was doing 10+10, but then another spliter that was sending 5 to a merger that went into my storage. so i ended up with 5 + 15

[feral geyser]

Ah okay

[meager fern]

when i shouldve split 5 from the storage splitter to merge into the place where i split the second time in my production line

[feral geyser]

Yeah, that'd do it

[meager fern]

my brain on alt recipes

[dense violet]

smart splitter? fixes that immediately
or clock your machines so one group puts out 15 to one system, and a different machine does 5

[meager fern]

i dont have smart splitters yet but i should probably do that since i have my caterium node freed up from the rock

[feral geyser]

Super critical to get those

[dense violet]

you can unlock them very early on
but don't forget clocking and selective merging. It's your simplest and most poweful logistic too you have for the whole game

[real shale]

programmable splitter my beloved

[dense violet]

? they have some fairly niche use cases.

[feral geyser]

Everyone i know says they're useless, but i love them

Like this guy 😒

[real shale]

agreed

[dense violet]

sushi load balancing? about it. Some storage facilities depending on your layout

[meager fern]

yeah i know i can unlock them pretty early on. i normally have ai limiters automated by now

[real shale]

without programmable splitters how could i have a 10 different item sushi belt

[feral geyser]

I made blueprints of programmables that can sort out non-sinkable items, equipment, and consumables, so that I can come home, dump my bag, and pick up the stuff I need to keep.

[meager fern]

dont have sushi belts, ez pz

[real shale]

or 64 different items on the same belt :D

[dense violet]

I mean multiple smart splitters.
but like I said, that sounds like 'some' storage facilities.

you'll still need more smart splitters down the line to further sort them

[real shale]

or i could just use programmables :3

[feral geyser]

So saving space is good, unless it means using programmables instead of smarts? 🤔

[real shale]

oooooooo that sounds interesting

[dense violet]

how often are you doing multiple sushi belts on one belt that then neesd broken up?

[real shale]

I actually like that idea damn

hmmmmmmmmmmmm yoink

[feral geyser]

Take

I stake no claim to the idea

Every place i have a sink also has a container so I can quickly dump, so I use the blueprint more than I thought I would when I made it.

[real shale]

my "logistics floor" tends to look like that one homer simpson meme where hes got the clips on all his fat behind him

[meager fern]

as any sane person would. its like cable management

[real shale]

the equivalent of brushing it under the carpet and forgetting about it

[meager fern]

you make the visible parts really neat, and then bundle them into a mess out of sight

[feral geyser]

That's the strat lol

[meager fern]

glances at the non glass side of my tower that hides a bundle of random wires kind of tied together with twist ties from bread bags

[feral geyser]

DID YOU SAY BREAD? 🥖

[meager fern]

yes, thats why im kind of obsessed with bread. its not just bread, its a way of life

[real shale]

man it really upsets me that i cant paint round concrete

[meager fern]

bread is so versatile and under rated. bread for eating, bread for breading, bread for deserts, bread ties for cable management. what cant bread do?

[real shale]

gonna have to use painted beam busbars :(

[feral geyser]

I was gonna say bread juice, but that would be beer

[meager fern]

exactly! liquid bread

[real shale]

what about gaseous bread

[feral geyser]

You've never smelled fresh bread baking?

[sullen gull]

It's not lupus

[real shale]

its never lupus

[meager fern]

making bread releases gas, as does making beer

[sullen gull]

Bacteria farts! \o/

[real shale]

i guess

[cunning siren]

Ahhhh... thats right coal gens... no coal for you! There is only geothermals

[real shale]

oops, angled my hypertube cannon too high and ended up getting an achivement for it

[feral geyser]

Angle it straight up and parachute wherever you need lmao

[real shale]

What a way to get the achievement for hitting the height limit

[feral geyser]

I got mine by standing on the freighter, than it immediately killed me and left a chest 3 km in the sky

I turned on Keep Inventory after that

[real shale]

alright time to finally bomb this cave and finish up this cave factory

[feral geyser]

Are you doing it in the Rocky Savannah quartz cave, or..?

[real shale]

yeah

[feral geyser]

Nice, love that one.

[real shale]

i WAS planning to hopefully have it above ground to make this so much easier but nooooo

it had to be UNDERGROUND

[feral geyser]

And trains are a bit too big to fit in there cleanly and bring it out.

[real shale]

well, tinker showed me that its actually possible to do that

#screenshots message

[modern jungle]

what's a good number of batteries per geothermal node?

[real shale]

depends on purity

[modern jungle]

normal and pure

[real shale]

but worst case scenario iirc its 4-5 batteries per pure? havent checked actually

oh wait

its 2 for pure, 1 for normal, and 0.5 for impure

[modern jungle]

okay, thanks

[versed mesa]

Ive made another station at my Nitrogen factory and collected Nitrogen and brought back to my starting location factory where the rest of the proction will take place but just need to get to my Bauxite factory to collect Aliminum casings so need to make a track to get me there lol

[real shale]

but thats just to guarantee the average so keep that in mind

not to account for the peak

[versed mesa]

Talking about being busy lol

[real shale]

its essentially making it into a puny half bridge rectifer

i wonder if theres a way to get the full amount out of a geothermal and eliminate the fluctuations entirely but the only way i can think of doing that is using biomass burners to supplement but...those are manual so yuck

[versed mesa]

I really can not believe its 5.13am I was thinking its 12am lol

[cunning siren]

What's "best" phase 2 alt?

[versed mesa]

Add as many batteries to Geo

[real shale]

doesnt work

you'll still discharge more than you charge overtime

[tranquil dragon]

Why make actual progression when you can set up a depot material factory in the swamp

[cunning siren]

Probably Encased Industral Pipe?

[versed mesa]

@real shale why what you trying to power ?

[real shale]

i mean you can make it a LONGGGGGG time

nothing, just thought experiment

[versed mesa]

It works fir me the batteries are fully charged and ive git many for Geo Gen

[real shale]

i mean when you are running close to max capacity

[dense violet]

it doesn't if you don't try to use more power than the average

[versed mesa]

Add more batteries

[real shale]

you'll still drain eventually, thats the thing, it only guarantees the average, not above it

[real shale]

its a thought experiment mainly

im not actually trying to do this lol

[versed mesa]

Find another Geyser and add that to the rotation also

[dense violet]

you can't ignore the 'average' if you want to make full use of it

trying to always use the 'peak' power is impossible because the power doesn't exist when it's not peak.

it's no different from going 'I want to use 90mw of power but this coal gen only makes 75'

[real shale]

there was actually a neat thing i read about where you can build them 30 seconds apart and they'll cancel some of the fluctuation out

[cunning siren]

I skip coal cuz why would i spend time setting that up when one click gets me geo power 🤷

[dense violet]

that would be teh same as using the batteries effectively

[versed mesa]

Am new to Geo so idk really lmao

[real shale]

yeah, im mainly playing a thought experiment to see if theres a way to squeeze out the full amount beyond the average with no risk lmao, being a power engineer irl makes me think like this :P

[versed mesa]

I heard in away that Geo reoys on the amount of batteries you have and I think the more you have the better for receiving as much as possible from Geo

[real shale]

it'll only allow you to guarantee the average thats the thing

no matter how many batteries you put on, if you exceed base load + the average of your geothermals you'll still eventually drain your batteries

[versed mesa]

Well just add another deposit and you should be good and more batteries

Add total of 100 batteries lmfao

[real shale]

its unlikely that its ever going to matter its just, interesting to think about

[feral geyser]

I have a blueprint with 256 of them 👀

You can't build it in vanilla

[versed mesa]

Why lol

[real shale]

this is why i want to eventually get the refined power mod at some point when im done my vanilla playthrough

this game tickles my brain and i love it lmao

[feral geyser]

Takes too many resources, even with full depot and inventory

[versed mesa]

Lmfao

[feral geyser]

I made a 64 pc BP, and stacked it 4 times

[versed mesa]

@feral geyser then its not used to you then

[midnight ocean]

is there any way to split a specific amount of resources off a conveyor line with one splitter or do i just have to do a bunch of them?

[feral geyser]

Need details

[cunning siren]

Each battery can charge at 100 MW its a good rule of thumb to build ~3x battery per geo IMO 🤷

[versed mesa]

Ok

[midnight ocean]

so im setting up an iron factory and i want to split some iron rods for screws, some for rotors, and some for modular frames and i ideally want to split them perfectly
i know i could just do lots of regular splitters to get the ratio right but can i set my own ratio in a splitter so its perfect?

[real shale]

unfortunately not, but you can to some degree control it using different belt types

[feral geyser]

Ratio splitters are not a thing yet sadly

[midnight ocean]

ah thats a shame thanks

[white dawn]

The game doesn't need ratio splitters. Embrace the manifold. :)

(Or just make exactly what the next machines need instead of trying to split the stream)

There's no "unfortunate" or "sadly" about it; it's something the devs explicitly didn't want in the game, because it's part of the logistics challenge you're meant to solve

[midnight ocean]

i was going to use manifolds too but since i want to store some iron rods as well it would take way too long to wind up

[white dawn]

(and honestly, having ratio splitters would end up being a nightmare anyway. So many more chances to screw up your factory with slightly wrong numbers!)

Though if you do really want them, I'm sure a mod exists to give 'em to you

[white dawn]

Make some iron rods specifically for screws, make some more specifically for rotors, some more for MFs, and then a separate set for your personal storage

If you avoid "centralizing" your production you can bypass the entire problem

[real shale]

shameless plugin to promote cast screw supremacy

[midnight ocean]

im doing a run without mods because this is my first run since early access but i might add some later

[white dawn]

It's easy enough to centralize at this early stage in the game, of course, when recipe chains are nice and simple. But it'll only get harder, and Not Doing That avoids whole classes of problems

[midnight ocean]

i wish i had that recipe

[white dawn]

Eh, Cast Screw can be nice as an early alt, but it's only saving you one step. Hardly a gamechanger

[midnight ocean]

my current plan is centralise each individual resource and then im going to move them to a factory and combine them in recipes

[white dawn]

I'd highly advise not doing that, though of course it's your save. :)

If you do continue, you will eventually discover why it's often a pretty terrible idea. :)

[sullen gull]

Logistics nightmare lol

[white dawn]

(Can it be done? Sure! Can it be done cleanly/satisfactorily? Sure, with a lot of work! Are there far easier ways? Yes. :)

[midnight ocean]

what would you recommend then?
this factory is still in early stages so its easy enough for me to build something different

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch Independency

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Independency

[sullen gull]

^ My fave

[white dawn]

(Honestly since you are still in early game, I recommend just ignoring all advice online. Ignore Discord, ignore Youtube, ignore streamers. Just learn the game, make your own mistakes, and have fun. :)

[sullen gull]

Better advice 😏

[white dawn]

Asking for advice in here is just gonna end up with people like me advising stuff like Independency and then someone else recommending something else and it can all be a bit much. :)

(but yeah, Independency is nearly always what I tend to recommend. Solves a lot of problems that people don't even realize they'll run into.)

But, like, on my own first playthrough I was doing basically everything the opposite of what I recommend nowadays

And I still had a great time with that playthrough, and finished the game quite happy with my factories

[midnight ocean]

oh ok i think that was what i was recommended and i just interpreted it wrong

[white dawn]

So, like, recommendations are just recommendations. So long as you're having fun, it doesn't matter. :)

[cunning siren]

I'm doing a NW North Forest playthrough and a bus is perfect, joins the two resource areas over the water part, everything is near to the base at that point 🤷

[real shale]

hm....the lighting is this game can be odd at times

#screenshots message

[midnight ocean]

i have decided to be lazy and do manifolds and just use a mk1 conveyor to limit the amount of iron rods that are just stored

then i can tweak it later on if that doesnt work well enough

[real shale]

okay so flood light towers lighting behaves oddly when you have the light running straight down

[peak wasp]

Looking for help here, the game crashes after respawning in my base, I get this message ''pure virtual function being called while application was running (gisrunning == 1)'' and the game closes, tried reviewing the files with steam, tried reinstalling it and I still have the same issue, can anyone help?

[true mulch]

Post the entire crash reporter output in a #1038092680493801533 thread

[ionic token]

is there a place where people share world saves? Looking to explore and get some inspiration

[peak wasp]

thx I got my answer there.. it happens when you got from a certain zone to another by respawning or teleporting

[earnest oak]

how many total alt recipes are there up to and including stage 3

[white dawn]

wiki has the answers, as usual: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Hard_Drive#Alternate_recipes :)

Though to potentially answer the hidden question at the root of what you asked: there are more hard drives in the game than you can spend. All alt recipes are unlockable, and you'll have spare drives. (You can even purchase drives from the AWESOME shop eventually, if you don't feel like exploring)

[meager fern]

is there a drive sink, or are they just redundancies?

[white dawn]

Nah, the sink won't accept drives

[earnest oak]

is ther a way to figure the exact amount other than counting

[white dawn]

There's just a surplus. Gives CSS room to add a few more at some point if they want to

[meager fern]

i meant a way to use excess drives, not literally sinking them

[white dawn]

Nope, they have no other use. :)

[earnest oak]

reddit says 65 does that sound about right?