satisfactory

[unkempt blade]

was it just super big or what wound up being the issue?

[shrewd palm]

first it was terrible beltwork and piping for waste disposal and that took a while to figure out

[cunning siren]

I sometimes use power towers + zipline + hover-pack to treasure hunt pre-jet and Ion fuel 🤔

[wheat parcel]

does anyone know if theres a mod that will take stuff from the cloud automatically when i try to research stuff in the mam?

[shrewd palm]

and then after it was running for a while it stopped making enough fuel rods (this was because of bad quickwire belting but mainly drone issues that stemmed from when i swapped the fuel from turbofuel to plutonium that resulted in there not being enough uranium)

there was also a minor issue when i disconnected the wrong power pole which resulted in me missing out on 600 uranium

but now the only machines that are idle are the ones in the waste disposal system because the reactor manifold hasnt filled up yet

[unkempt blade]

very cool, nuclear definitely has some wrinkles while you're still learning 😄

[shrewd palm]

yes

at least if i ever make another one on this scale i know enough to double check everything and test it properly before really booting it up

[unkempt blade]

yeah my first nuclear setup had water issues then conveyor issues then train issues before we finally got it stable

nuclear uses so much stuff it's a bigger logistics challenge than like normal fuel or rocket fuel

[shrewd palm]

i like it a lot more tho

[unkempt blade]

it's a fun project for sure

[shrewd palm]

and you dont really have to deal with pipe problems that much

with anything that isnt sulphuric or nitric acid you can just overproduce

[odd crescent]

Is there a console command to unlock the whole map?

[shrewd palm]

i think you can do that in SCIM although i dont know exactly how

[feral geyser]

It's called "go place radar towers" 😒 (/s)

[odd crescent]

oh i totally forgot those were a thing thanks

ill do that

[versed mesa]

Everytime i build i improve more

[feral geyser]

ALL I DO IS WIN WIN WIN NO MATTER WHAT

[versed mesa]

Thats what I need todo rebuild my radar tower

[mystic oriole]

that should be the idea, unless your name is Josh

[shy mulch]

I'm so used to having an obscene amount of spare power I literally forgot about power limits in this new base and tried to power 2 portals off a single fuel gen 🤦

[versed mesa]

Nice its what you want it dont even know what am building i just start building lol

[versed mesa]

Lol

[versed mesa]

Who is Josh lol

[mystic oriole]

He did this video series called 'Lets Game it out'

[versed mesa]

I see lol

[meager fern]

just so i make sure im looking in the right places. are somersloops in caves, or are they anywhere?

[mystic oriole]

Yes, every episode things got worse

[versed mesa]

Anywhere mainly

[mystic oriole]

The map is handy to find them.

[versed mesa]

But guarded

[shy mulch]

They are everywhere, generally in 'hard to reach' places, which is often in caves, but not always

[meager fern]

so far all i've been finding is mercer spheres. i've got 10 of them, and thats 10 more than i need

[mystic oriole]

Unless you are unlucky as I was once. Where things got stuck in my cloud storage buffer.

I have this double storage bin filled with extra somersloops. Because they'd just sit there every time reload

I think it's a known bug

[meager fern]

so basically just look for them wherever i would try to find hard drives, power slugs, or the aforementioned mercer spheres

[mystic oriole]

you can use the map and scanner to help you find them.

[bronze atlas]

have you unlocked the object scanner yet?

[versed mesa]

@meager fern wait until you can start to scan for them lol

[mystic oriole]

And if you load your save into it, it can tell you what ones you've already picked up

[meager fern]

from what the mam says, i need to find one to scan for them

[bronze atlas]

ah yeah well theres some in every starter zone so my suggestion is to climb up high and look around if you don't have the scanner yet. You can often find them up on tall cliffs, though there is also usually something guarding it, either enemies or gas cloud plants or some such thing.

if you have unlocked catwalks those are pretty cheap to build ramps up to the higher cliffs.

[meager fern]

well i've got weapons and a bunch of inhalers, so i should be fine

i found 5 of them when they were still a w.i.p pre 1.0, without ever needing them, and now i cant remember where any of them are. i feel like there might've been one in that spider cave near the northern forest starting area but that might've been a mercer sphere

[versed mesa]

@meager fern you need gas mask and filters fir it

[meager fern]

or i can just use a bunch of inhalers 🤷

[bronze atlas]

make sure you bring a parachute too if you're climbing cliffs

[versed mesa]

True lol

[mystic oriole]

parachute is quite handy with any inclines.

[steady glade]

in game or irl, you can jump off any height at least once

[cursive totem]

is there a known issue where long belts with many mergers are not fully utilized? i should have 480 items on it but it keeps getting stuck, even when sinking it all

[bronze atlas]

what do you mean by stuck?

usually if something isnt flowing right its because a connection was missed or there is a small bit of belt that is of a lower tier slowing things down

[cursive totem]

i have a 480 belt of ingots, and i use all of it, there is nothing left over, but the input still stutters on the line a bit

[bronze atlas]

meaning theres gaps?

[cursive totem]

no the belt stops every so briefly. and the throughput monitors say its only like 400 pm

[next sequoia]

What am I supposed to feed into alien power augmenter?

[cursive totem]

oooh i think i found it maybe. i had to feed another full belt into the same line and jused t4 after the merge. but when i merge a full 480 into a non-full belt (like 60pm left over), i cant continue a t4 belt becase its already full

[bronze atlas]

well in that case if you are positive you have enough machines to use all 480 then either the craft times of all those machines is just slow enough that occasionally the full machines are all mid craft at the same time so there's actually nowhere for the stuff to go for a few seconds, or i would think maybe you missed an input belt on one or a few of them accidentally during your build.

For troubleshooting i would start with checking all the inputs drawing from the belt and make sure they are both all connected and all using belts fast enough to input the required items/min from the belt to the machine. If you build fast or with blueprints its easy to make tiny mistakes and not notice at first.

[cursive totem]

yeah i just checked the "mid feed" belts again and the were merging two t4s (one fuill, one used with space left over) onto another t4

which of course doesnt work because thers not enough space on it

[bronze atlas]

yes that makes sense

[cursive totem]

see #screenshots message

the red minibelt needs to be t5

[bronze atlas]

the merger needs to have an output belt that supports the full volume of the previous two belts, and if its less than the max throughput of any belt then there will be gaps, if its lower there will be stoppage. Glad thats all it was

[cursive totem]

mid feed belts really mess with my brain

[bronze atlas]

personally don't use them unless i need a factory to work right now. Otherwise just wait for the manifolds to spool up.

can take a while i admit

[cursive totem]

but how do you handle when you need like idk 600 item inputs for a factory when you only have 480 belts

[bronze atlas]

in that case what i do is just build a seperate belt for the rest after the first belt is exhausted and don't combine the two belts

so one belt will go to the first 70% or so, then the other 30% has its own dedicated belt

[cursive totem]

do you underclock the last machine then?

[bronze atlas]

if necessary yes

[feral geyser]

Injection manifolds are good when you have big builds but low belt speed

[sudden dagger]

can u build ramps vertical?

[bronze atlas]

oh yeah its a perfectly valid way to do it, im just saying i don't typically use it

[cursive totem]

ok so basically you do "i have 480, that feeds 6,78 machines and then the next belt goes in the line

[bronze atlas]

@sudden dagger if you mean a smooth ramp that turns from horizontal to vertical, there are some curved foundations you can unlock that have a curve built in, but if you mean rotating the foundations on anything other than the vertical axis, i have not found a way to do so without mods.

[sudden dagger]

aw man

[limpid cairn]

the item that you can research under the APA in the mam

[bronze atlas]

yeah thats how i generally do it. though if i have belts that deliver more than required, i usually don't worry about stoppages due to oversaturation, just machine stoppage due to starvation

[limpid cairn]

Alien power Matrix or something

[fickle oriole]

is there an easy way to see which alt recipes i've unlocked? Searching for 'alt' in the codex doesn't do it 🙁

[cursive totem]

look in the mam?

[bronze atlas]

i think for the codex you just have to look at the items and see whats listed. im not sure if it lets you search for alternate

i think they all just have unique names

[fickle oriole]

if you look in the MAM I don't see how to see which alts have been unlocked - is there?

[shy fog]

recipe list is easier to look up stuff than M.A.M.

[bronze atlas]

i think they mean to look at the list of researched hard drives. If you've already chosen the recipes though that list is cleared

[real shale]

👀

[white dawn]

Not really in-game, no. If you use the codex to search for a resource, you'll see all your alt recipes related to that resource, but that's not quite the same thing

Outside of the game, the easiest is to just load your save into SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map)

[fickle oriole]

ty!

[bronze atlas]

i have not discovered a way other that looking at the individual items in the codex and seeing which recipes are listed. If you have all the ones for a particular item there will be no more ? entries

[hollow matrix]

Satisfactory is cool

[limpid cairn]

did you unlock nobelisks yet ?

[hollow matrix]

I havent played the game in ages i literally just started a new save

Using Biofuel is painful

[cunning siren]

Hold down E key 🤷

[hollow matrix]

It's more I forget to get more biofuel and then my production stops

[cunning siren]

Oh right, container into bio fuel gen works

[versed mesa]

💪

[hollow matrix]

Ik but I still run out

Probably just a skill issue

[versed mesa]

Its not hard at all

[hollow matrix]

I never said it was hard I said it was painful

[versed mesa]

Just get as much leaves and wood as possible abd turn it into aload of biomass

[outer hatch]

It's why T2.2 should be everyone first milestone. Solid Biofuel makes biofuel slightly less painful.

[versed mesa]

Tbh I dont mind doing this even is this was the only way to power everything lol

[arctic hamlet]

what the most effective way to make trains go up?

[versed mesa]

Its also not painful lol

[hard ivy]

ramp

[hollow matrix]

Yeah I'm kinda crafting a ton then and hoping I can get coal before it runs out... Spoiler I wont

[arctic hamlet]

okay, also what i thought just wanted to know if there was a more effective way

[white dawn]

Train Stations at bottom -> Conveyor Lifts going up -> Train Stations for a different train network up at the top. :)

[arctic hamlet]

its my first train network just moving some rubber and plastic

prob gonna rework it later, for now i just used ramps

[white dawn]

("effective" is a pretty vague term; whatever works will do the trick. If your train will go up the incline then it'll make its deliveries. Can add more engines to help with acceleration if the train is getting slow on the slopes)

Some people like doing rail spirals for vertical movement

Lots of options; any of them will work so long as material is getting from A to B

[arctic hamlet]

how can i add more engines? is it a new tier or what

is it the advanced railwork thing?

[white dawn]

Nah, just add more engines to the train

Like instead of just adding freight cars

[cunning siren]

If mouse over leaf and E + TAB the game glitches and holds down E key for auto harvest sometimes 🤷 that may make it less painful, I know it does for me at least

[arctic hamlet]

oh i understand

[white dawn]

Note that the train will still stop at the front engine at stations, so if you have more than one up front, be sure to account for the space with an Empty Platform or whatever

[limpid cairn]

Use a y = 1:4x (2m per x) ramp for optimal efficiency

[versed light]

isnt satisfactory very CPU intense i wonder how its gonna hold up on ps5

[cunning siren]

It's only CPU intensive if you have a megafactory

[versed light]

so its CPU intensive

[limpid cairn]

its optimised really well

[cunning siren]

🤦

[cunning siren]

My CPU is trash and I don't have any problems with limits there

[hard ivy]

it runs on the steam deck, the PS5 is gonna be fine

[versed light]

nice

[limpid cairn]

You can run it on an i5-3570 3.4ghz 4 core cpu

[arctic hamlet]

oh okay

[cunning siren]

GPU on the other hand... that is the real issue

[versed light]

i think the ps5 pro should be good i hope

[cunning siren]

It's console so... they'll gimp the quality enough to maintain FPS

[versed light]

yea a game like this i honestly dont care about res

if its locked 60 most of time im happy

[cunning siren]

I have 4k monitor and do 50% upscale with a GTX1080 and can maintain 60FPS so... I would assume a modern console is better than that

[versed light]

4k monitor with a gtx 1080 is wild hahaha

[lament niche]

today i learned fused modular frames can be obtained at t0

[cunning siren]

Yea, it would not happen at all without upscale

Renders at 1/2 the resolution (2k) and then scales it up

[lament niche]

consoles go for 24 lmao

[cunning siren]

How.dat?

[shy mulch]

Doggos 🥰

[cunning siren]

OH yea...

[lament niche]

nope

[arctic hamlet]

why does my train say next stop unreachable? lol

[lament niche]

#screenshots message

[cunning siren]

If one is sneaky enough they can "rob" a drop ship while the guards are not looking

[zenith fractal]

doggo

[lament niche]

or while they are looking if they are quick enough

[cunning siren]

Does crouch "sneakyness" work for other creatures besides the hatchers? 🤔

[lament niche]

iunno

[feral geyser]

It does not

[cunning siren]

Disassemble is OP early on for dropship scraps

[meager fern]

i was really hoping i would get the stitched iron plates recipe before i revamped my factory

[feral geyser]

Keep looking, you'll get it

You can't be too far off, right?

[meager fern]

i guess i should just handcraft the stuff for the cargo scanner upgrade

[feral geyser]

That is not an awful idea

[hard ivy]

depending in which tier you are, there aren't that many recipes in the pool

[meager fern]

ive completed every hub/mam unlock in phase 1

[cunning siren]

That's a good point, one could "milk" the tier timing to limit the alt pool 🤔

[hard ivy]

there's only 6 possible recipes to get then. unless you did some MAM research too

well, 6 recipes plus the inventory expansion so 7 rewards

[cunning siren]

So the strat may be don't do MAM research and do early HD hunts to get stitched plates 🤔

[cunning glade]

Anyone know how much aluminum I would need for just mk5 belts

[hard ivy]

yeah, MAM adds like 5 more alts. even more if you unlock some things with found high-tier parts

[cunning siren]

I'm guessing it's specific MAM research that adds those 5 alts 🤔

[meager fern]

mam things that unlock new craftables

[hard ivy]

yeah, quartz, silica, caterium, and caterium ingots

[cunning siren]

Thanks

I guess I can go without blader runners for a while then 😆

[hard ivy]

and you could unlock AI limiters, HS connectors, oscillators and black powder, which all add atls

some of these don't even use post-phase-1 items

[cunning siren]

This is a better strat than building a blueprint that does not use stitched iron plate 🤔 😆

[meager fern]

i have a setup i can make for producing alot of screws, but i'd rather not use screws

[cunning siren]

I guess I can get a rebar gun and use a panic room to get the hard drives

[hard ivy]

still, even if you do all that, 10 HDDs should guarantee any one recipe. just don't take any other ones

[cunning siren]

Getting 10 HDD with no tech may be rough 🤔 good thing I got stinky cheese panic room 😆

[meager fern]

well my 3 hard drives that i rescanned didnt give it to me, so the odds arent in my favor

[hard ivy]

it's 3 HDDs without MAM (cause 7 rewards)

I'm estimating max 10 HDDs with all MAM

pre phase 1 completion ofc

[cunning siren]

Yep, new play through is still phase 1 last I recall

[half narwhal]

is there going to be crossplay between ps5 and pc ?

[meager fern]

according to steam achievments more people have gotten a sommersloop than bouncing on the space giraffe tick penguin thing, and i have to say im disappointed

[half narwhal]

why ?

[hard ivy]

the devs said it's more difficult than console to console so it's not coming at release. they might add it later but no promises

[white dawn]

The main reason that I've heard given (which may or may not still be the case) is that they didn't want to have to tie PC updates to console updates, since console updates have to go through a sometimes-lengthy acceptance process. They want to be able to patch the PC version whenever they want, without having to wait for Sony/Microsoft to give their okay

[lament niche]

PC updates already only come once a year and a half

not including hotfixes

[white dawn]

Heh, I'm just repeating the reasons which I have heard given by CSS. :)

And post-release there are often a series of relatively quick patches, if nothing else

[lament niche]

And I'm just disagreeing with their reasoning

[lament niche]

@white dawn

[unkempt blade]

what you're missing is that release delay wouldn't just be for major updates

[white dawn]

Reading is hard! :) mea culpa

[lament niche]

oh no, they actually have to fix more bugs in a not-live-service game

they'll have to hire more QA playtesters

oh no

won't anyone think of the smol AA studio

[unkempt blade]

you can always tell the people who don't know about software dev 😆

[lament niche]

You can always tell who played consoles back in the day and who didn't

[white dawn]

I don't think that they were concerned about their own development resources. It's just that, for instance, if they want to push out a day-1 patch after a big update, if they had committed to cross-platform play then that PC patch would have to wait for Sony/Microsoft console acceptance as well

[unkempt blade]

ahh yes, the famously bug free games that existed before the internet

[white dawn]

Which could turn that day-1 patch into a day-N patch, in a worst-case scenario

[lament niche]

oh no, day-N patch, whatever shall we do

[white dawn]

Whereas they wanted to retain the freedom to do that day-1 patch on PC, at least, free of any acceptance protocols by consoles

[lament niche]

Just break crosscompatibility for the month or so until Microsoft and Sony let the patch through

[white dawn]

I mean, sure, it's obviously a decision they made. They could have just as easily decided to do crossplatform play and live with the fact that their PC releases would be shackled to console timelines

[unkempt blade]

I'm pretty sure this guy just wants to be angry about everything not learn

[lament niche]

or that works too

[white dawn]

They just chose the other option. It's not an "oh poor us" type of situation. It's just one or the other, and they chose the other. (or the one. I forget which is which. :)

Both options have upsides and downsides; they decided that the balance for them was in favor of "no crossplay." c'est la vie!

[lament niche]

Factory was making it out to be a "poor us" situation, hence why I broke out the sarcasm

[white dawn]

I... think you misread the intent there quite a bit, but I'll shut up about it. :)

[lament niche]

I'm autistic, also, text doesn't carry tone

[white dawn]

(I mean, all they said was "what you're missing is that release delay wouldn't just be for major updates." That's not implying "poor us" at all; it's just saying that hotfixes/day-1 patches would have to wait for console acceptance too)

[lament niche]

"this guy doesn't understand anything about us software devs"

[unkempt blade]

your "sarcasm" was suggesting they should just throw more QA at it which is very much not the norm in any type of software development these days

[lament niche]

I'd love to sit and code structural text all day having headaches about fixing bugs in a game instead of fixing bugs in a PLC and stressing about other people's ladder logic and whether if I make one change if I'll cause a cascading effect down the line that will get the plant shut down.

I'd absofuckinglutely love it

So excuse me if I don't have any sympathy for your white collar problems, factory.

[meager fern]

if satisfactory was a cereal, right now it would be "oops all mercer spheres" because sommersloops dont seem to exist

[unkempt blade]

yeah but did you ever get one of those bags that's only lucky charms marshmallows? it's way more disgusting than no somersloops

[meager fern]

i loved eating the lucky charms marshmallows

i would open up a bag of lucky charms and seperate all of the marshmallows to eat them

[unkempt blade]

you need the little not-cheerios pieces to balance out all the sugar though 😄

[meager fern]

sorry that i wasnt born with a weak bloodline that cant handle pure sugar 😔

[unkempt blade]

you should help CSS design a satiscereal

[meager fern]

15/10 ficsit pioneers would recommend this cereal that is part of a satisfactory breakfast

[unkempt blade]

"we got lazy with the cereal shapes so here's a half dozen different colored lumps of ore"

[fluid sapphire]

you know what, they should put like.. minerals in cereal to make it healthier

[lament niche]

there's 236 mercer spheres, and only 106 sloops in the game

[lament niche]

they do. they also put a metric fuckton of sugar in it to make it unhealthy

[fluid sapphire]

hey, but the minerals cancel out the sugar

[unkempt blade]

it's super weird how that's the exact same ratio as lucky charms cereal:marshmallows

the universe is full of coincidences

[fluid sapphire]

every 1 mineral should delete 1 sugar when you eat cereal

[meager fern]

i feel like you are lying to me, im pretty sure ive found way more than 6-10

[unkempt blade]

that's where "part of a balanced diet" comes from I think

[hard ivy]

what else can you get in P1 without MAM?

Cast Screws,
Iron Wire,
Bolted Frame,
Bolted Iron Plate,
Copper Rotor,
Stiched Iron Plate,
+6 inventory

[carmine aspen]

the breakfast isnt, the cereal is

[unkempt blade]

yeah you need to add milk that way the sugar, minerals, protein, and fat all balance each other

[meager fern]

nevermind you werent the liar(technically) but i am. apparently i chose the stitched plate recipe without noticing

[carmine aspen]

then you pick out the marshmallows and you leave behind the cereal because that shit aint no honey nut

[meager fern]

i must've picked it before i took a break

[meager fern]

idk if steamed copper sheets is from mam(i dont think it would be) but that is one

[hard ivy]

that's unlocked with coal power, which is after phase 1

[meager fern]

phase 1 of the space elevator

[unkempt blade]

steamed copper sheets is an alt recipe from a drive

[meager fern]

i know that because i listed it as a recipe, but i also realize that there was a misunderstanding, i was saying i had done all the unlocks in phase 1 of the space elevator, but they thought i meant phase 1 of the hub

my b i guess

[hard ivy]

I meant phase one of the elevator

There is no hub phase 1

Hub has tiers

[meager fern]

phase 1 of the elevator has steel, which gives the foundry, which unlocks steamed copper sheets

[hard ivy]

steel is after phase 1

[meager fern]

i can assure you that phase 2 of the space elevator is requiring me to produce a steel recipe

automated wiring, phase 2 part, requires steel pipes

[hard ivy]

once you place the elevator, you're in phase 1. after you deliver the 50 smart plating, you're in phase 2

steel becomes available after completing phase 1

[meager fern]

#screenshots message personally i wouldnt argue with the game

[hard ivy]

yeah? this is phase 2, not 1

it says 2 at the top

[meager fern]

yeah i am in phase 1. i delivered the 50 smart plating which put me in phase 1. phase 2 requires steel

[hard ivy]

why would you be in phase 1 after completing it?

[meager fern]

i dont have the things granted to me by completing phase 2, so i am not in that tier of unlocks

[hard ivy]

it says complete phase 2. when you complete, you are no longer in phase 2

[limber plaza]

tip all the items from phase 2 are needed in phase 3 incase u want to automate them gonna need alot more of them

[meager fern]

yeah i do know that, i've gotten to oil in a multiplayer game pre 1.0

[lament niche]

Weird way to spell iron pipes

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Milestones#Tier_3

Tier 3 milestones are available starting in Phase 2.

tier 3 is in phase 2

not 1

[limber plaza]

u get oil after phase 2

[meager fern]

yeah, and i started producing some of the parts

[meager fern]

i just got that alt so i couldnt make it before. a tier list recommends steel screws over iron pipes, but i dont want screws

[static spruce]

Gotta say it's insane the time it takes to complete phase 4 compared to completing phase 3 and 5 lol

You'd think phase 5 would be harder but all the new stuff in phase 5 you can make really easily and the project parts is just doing logistics

[lament niche]

cast screws is better anyways

[meager fern]

yeah i picked up that one, just in case i ever did need it

[hard ivy]

that's because the tier lists are garbage 🙃

[shrewd palm]

^^^

[meager fern]

its actually nice how much stuff i can make with just iron. iron wire, iron pipes, and steel rotors can cut out the need for actual steel or screws

[shrewd palm]

basically everything in this game depends on location/how far you want to go with logistics and the best recipe is usually gonna be what’s best for that spot

[meager fern]

but i feel like the issue im going to run into with all these alt recipes, is that in the past i've found that they dont have good numbers, so i end up having to mess around trying to make them work

[rustic snow]

Question real quick: for a 8 coal generator 3 water extractor build I need 120 coal per minute to supply right?

[hard ivy]

except default HMFs. those are utter trash in every single possible situation

[meager fern]

yes

[rustic snow]

Ok thanks

[white dawn]

Once you get used to overclocking/underclocking, you stop worrying about how the numbers look (or at least that's often the case)

It helps if you're using a solver/calculator to spit out factory plans, of course; it's nicer for a computer to do the math for you if there are more interesting numbers involved

[hard ivy]

you can also just straight up ignore the ratios. it has been working perfectly for me for the last few hundred hours

[white dawn]

(I almost said "complex" instead of "interesting," but it's probably for the best that we don't have to worry about imaginary numbers. :)

[meager fern]

well whenever i start trying to clock them, i end up getting decimals

[white dawn]

Yeah, there's that too; if you overbuild, the machines will just occasionally go idle

[meager fern]

and those decimals feed into more decimals

[hard ivy]

and?

[white dawn]

Embrace the decimals!

[meager fern]

i dont want to make 5.127 rotors a minute, thats not nice to work with

[white dawn]

Remember that you can literally type in "5.127" into the output number in the machine's control panel and it'll adjust the clock appropriately, btw (though if the number you plug in is higher than the "vanilla" rate, you'll need to preload the machine with some shards to allow the overclocking)

[hard ivy]

it's a number like any other

[white dawn]

You're not limited to just moving the slider around

[fluid sapphire]

decimals are an inevitability unless you really want to overproduce every intermediate and sink them, i have a couple factories where i do that, but its not worth it

[hard ivy]

if I need that many, then that's exactly how many I'll be making.

[meager fern]

but the more you change one, the more others will get affected. like if you need 60.27 iron ingots a minute, then you will need a decimal of ores

[lament niche]

or just underclock one

[fluid sapphire]

no, just use a production planner and plug in the numbers it gives you, and dont worry about it

[hard ivy]

that's a very "fist playthrough" mentality lol

[white dawn]

I agree it can seem intimidating at first, but getting used to clocking is a good skill.

Though as KYO297 said, you can just overbuild.

Like if a factory plan says you need 3.834 assemblers, you can just build 4 and leave 'em at 100%

[shrewd palm]

up until the endgame you will always have more room for machines than shards

[white dawn]

They'll collectively go idle about 4.15% of the time, but eh?

[fluid sapphire]

literally though, clock speeds have a 4 decimal accuracy, meaning an error of like 1 item per month or something

[hard ivy]

there's one asterisk to that. if the machine is connected to a sink and/or a container, it does need to be clocked properly. otherwise, it might consume more than planned, which can be bad

[zenith fractal]

I mean, that means one will be less efficient unless you underclock one.

i need that 100%

number

[shrewd palm]

probably better to just underclock the last one to 83.4% tho

[hard ivy]

the difference in power efficiency is marginal

[zenith fractal]

but to me it matters, and besides it hurts when everything isn't 100%.

[shrewd palm]

not to self: dont try and load the save with almsot 600 hours on it while trying to send a message

[hard ivy]

other than power efficiency, it doesn't really matter. and the power gains are tiny. to me, it's not worth the effort to spend a few seconds to set that clock speed

[meager fern]

if my factory isnt running at 100% then i sink things to make it run at 100%

[white dawn]

Oh, I'm definitely all about tuning my clocking to ensure that machines are running 100% of the time. But if someone finds that intimidating, they can always just bruteforce it. :)

[meager fern]

in my pre 1.0 save i had an entire floor for disposal, where i would funnel any items in the production line to get sinked if they were backing up

[hard ivy]

when i need 51 machines, and 10 in a BP, I'll often paste 60 and leave them all at 100%. are 9 of them completely useless? yes. is it worth my time to delete them? not really. is it worth it to underclock them? also no

[pseudo perch]

will a prodction line for motors/sators be a good idea?

[white dawn]

Production lines are always a good idea. :D

[hard ivy]

motors? absolutely. stators? not really. they aren't needed for any buildable

[pseudo perch]

since rn im just making a store of a bunch of base stuff

[white dawn]

But yeah, Stators aren't ever used by the Build Gun, so you probably don't need a dedicated factory just for those

[pseudo perch]

then i will complet phase 2 at last

[native tapir]

Anyone interested in joining the playtest for our Factory Cart Tower Obstacle Race? It's the one pinned to the top of the subreddit. We could really use help testing out the servers on Sunday.

64 players per server lol. In case you were wondering why the playtest.

The level we are playtesting is difficult. I posted a little promo type thing in #streams-and-videos

[lament niche]

you need them for motors

[white dawn]

Which you don't make with the Build Gun. :)

[lament niche]

you still need to mass produce them for motors.

[white dawn]

(ie: make Stators in factories which need Stators, yeah, but IMO no need to have a dedicated factory for them, since you have no need to accumulate them for personal use)

[white dawn]

I still stand by my recommendation. :)

[lament niche]

counterpoint: handcrafting

[pseudo perch]

ok what about a proudction line for Ai liminters and cyrstal oscillators?
(For storage)

[lament niche]

you run out of motors and need some more quickly, plop down a crafting bench and- oh wait, you didn't build a stator factory, so you're screwed

[hard ivy]

both are useful in small amounts for building

[white dawn]

counter-counterpoint: ewwwww, handcrafting. :D

My solution to that is Don't Do That, Then. :)

[pseudo perch]

I know Ai limiters gonna be used a decient amount, what about the other one?

[cunning glade]

Uh chat

[lament niche]

how else do you think I'm gonna make motors to get my power grid back online

[hard ivy]

both are used for more advanced items

[cunning glade]

What upgrade gives mk3 miners

I don't see it on wiki

[pseudo perch]

ok it wont hurt to get it down now then

[hard ivy]

leading edge production iirc

[cunning glade]

Trying too figure out what I need too make it

[limpid cairn]

what is small ammount?

[limber plaza]

tier 8 leading-edge production

[limpid cairn]

im making 250 crystal oscilattor and 100 ai limiters per minute

[hard ivy]

also, it literally does say that
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Miner#Mk.3-0

[hard ivy]

like 5/min?

[pseudo perch]

1

well uhh maybe 000000.1 is pretty small

[limpid cairn]

are we talking about building or factory usage?

[cunning glade]

How viable is handcrafting it

[hard ivy]

^

[cunning glade]

Prolly just make a small aluminum factory first

[hard ivy]

do not handcraft anything after phase 1 lol

[white dawn]

A lot of folks do handcraft things. I think that it's an important technique for speedrunners and stuff

[cunning glade]

Cuz I wanna make a big one but mk3 miners and belts good idea first

[white dawn]

Personally I feel like I've failed whenever I have to handcraft anything (apart from Equipment, of course), so I avoid at all costs. :)

[cunning glade]

Why hit space go do a dab and it's done

[pseudo perch]

with motors i can elevator max

[hard ivy]

just build a few slooped, OCd and handfed machines if you need something quickly

[pseudo perch]

My life has a greater purpose now

[cunning glade]

I mean I only wanna handcraft the bigger parts

[hard ivy]

handcrafting at that stage is a terrible idea

[pseudo perch]

gonna go so hard on elevators ima make a new warp god

[white dawn]

Conversely, automating the bigger parts is why I'm playing the game, so that's where I go. :)

But yeah, some folks do enjoy handcrafting some stuff. c'est la vie!

[cunning glade]

Yeah but I want an aluminum factory first

But mk5 belts and better miners would be good before that

[hard ivy]

then build as if you had those and upgrade it later?

it'll be slower at first but at least it'll work

[cunning glade]

Ig fair

[limber plaza]

not really aluminum is easy to produce with the right factory

[hard ivy]

and then you can upgrade everything in-place, without rebuilding anything

[cunning glade]

I'm thinking the factory will make like 2k a min idk how much I need but good ballpark I assume

But idk if that's using alts

That was quick look at what it would use with the available ore there

[limber plaza]

alot more lol if ur using mk3 u might need to oc some machines

[limber plaza]

just farm hd's and get passed phase 3 and try to get the alts for aluminum

[wide cradle]

yo someone check screenshots and lmk if theres a more optimal way to do it

[hard ivy]

yes lmao

lifts

[wide cradle]

what phase do u unlock that at

[hard ivy]

tier 1

[wide cradle]

can u make conveyer lifts go donw???

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Conveyor_Lifts

yes

[wide cradle]

thought they only went up

[meager fern]

no they go up and down

[wide cradle]

ur lying.. I thought of doing it but I wasnt sure how to make it go down..

[meager fern]

you do the up, but go down instead

[hard ivy]

start dragging it from the top, or from the bottom in reverse mode

[rancid current]

depending on where you put the input. Is the input ontop, and you drag it down, it goes down, is it from the bottom and drag up, it goes up

[wide cradle]

thanks everyone but to be fair I have 18 hours on this game and never have had to transfer items down

[rancid current]

you're gonna need it....ALOT 😂

[wide cradle]

in future obviosuly

[meager fern]

i had to make things go down a couple of hours into the game when i started

bring things up, ship them down

[wide cradle]

rlly?

never had to ngl I just suspended stuff up

I lowkey pick the straight option on conveyer belts most of the time bc it looks nicer than default or curve

[limpid cairn]

once you reach mid game youll be working with stacking a bunch of shit to safe space

[wide cradle]

wdym by woring?

[limpid cairn]

i meant working

[wide cradle]

oh mb

I mean ive built 4 seperate compounds so far into the game

[meager fern]

once you start working with thousands of things a minute, that you need as part of 1 production line, you probably wont want to have to drag all of that all over the map

[wide cradle]

is this in response to having 4 compounds?

[meager fern]

mostly to the saving space thing that samira mentioned

[wide cradle]

@rancid current mine didnt want to go straight down like urs

[rancid current]

look in screenshot, that is 1 elevator transporting down

[wide cradle]

i see

yo will I need smart plates in future past phase 2

[rancid current]

hacks >:D (No but if you line up a floor hole, which u can buy in the shop, the elevator all of a sudden doesnt have a height limit)

[grizzled wedge]

oh how i hate these damn spiders

[wide cradle]

I alr have a floor hole thingy cause my friend was usin it so I wanted it too

[rancid current]

thats why i have a nuke factory supplying me with endless nukes to deal with em!

[meager fern]

its definetly easier than having to slap down a conveyor wall hole

[limpid cairn]

yes but not a lot

you need it for 1 other useless ietm

[grizzled wedge]

lowkey who cares about saving earth i'm doing all this to get nukes and nuke those spiders

[rancid current]

especially those pesky green ones

[meager fern]

i only hate them when i dont know where they are. when there are 5 of them scuttling around i cant focus on them all at once

[wide cradle]

so then i guess ill have to repurpose my farm then

[grizzled wedge]

yup

also bc i'm a new player and i fell into a huge hole, had 0 hp left and now i have to somehow climb back down into that hole and back out

[limpid cairn]

just sink the smart platting or use the RIP and rotors for something else

[wide cradle]

ook

[rancid current]

i just sent in screenshot my longest elevator xD

[wide cradle]

can u make multiple sinks

[wide cradle]

I saw its pretty short ngl

[rancid current]

as many as youd like

[feral geyser]

Yes

[meager fern]

yes, you can make as many as you want

the only things that have limits afaik are the hub and maybe? the space elevator. idk ive never wanted more than one

[grizzled wedge]

THEY CAN JUMP AW HELL NAHHHH

[meager fern]

the elite ones can

[rancid current]

Yes...Yes they can

[grizzled wedge]

i'm just a pioneer what is this

it's almost as if they don't want me to exploit their home, so weird

[rancid current]

sparta

[leaden turret]

• #satisfactory message
• #satisfactory message
• #satisfactory message

[limpid cairn]

yes

[rancid current]

couldnt be me loads nukes

[meager fern]

i have a sink for every production line to make sure they are always working

[grizzled wedge]

yeah that's what i'm doing

[wide cradle]

do yall play this game in like waves like 2 hours a day or play like for 12 hours then take like a 3 day break

[meager fern]

both

[rancid current]

6hrs when its workweek, 12-17h when its weekend

and then have like 9months off

[limpid cairn]

12h a day then take a break of 12h to repeat the cycle

[grizzled wedge]

sleep is just thinking about satisfactory but automated for the sake of efficiency

[rigid mist]

what if i just put doof in the blue crater

[wide cradle]

tribby didnt mean to reply to u in screenshots

[rigid mist]

peak base idea?

[rancid current]

i mean 👀

[rigid mist]

might do that and then have smaller satelite buildings shaped like ones from the tri state area

then it will look like he actually did take over the tri-state-area

and then the actual doof building be literally "shitass tall"

say 6 elevators tall maybe?

[rancid current]

https://tenor.com/view/tri-state-phineas-and-ferb-gif-23618903

[rigid mist]

epic embed fail but peak

[rancid current]

yeeee...

But i mean, Blue crater is good for basically only fuel tho xD

[rigid mist]

70 foundations wide, 1200 meters taqll

but yeah i'd rather not waste blue crater

i could do it in grass fields but there's not that many resources there

rocky desert is taken

i could do it in the very far northeast

[pseudo perch]

Not really a big issue for me, but for some resson i cant slide jump

or well slide

c just makes me crouch

[rigid mist]

sprint at same time

[rancid current]

U can only slide if youre flat or going down

anything that remotly looks like it goes up and you only crouch

[pseudo perch]

i am platform gaming

[pseudo perch]

When i do it nothing happens

[limpid cairn]

You can somewhat slide up

[rigid mist]

hmm

[limpid cairn]

You sure you got enough velocity?

[rancid current]

u mean sideways up?

[pseudo perch]

THIS IS MY PLATFORM THIER ARE ALOT LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE

[pseudo perch]

i got blade runners

[limpid cairn]

You can slide without them too

[pseudo perch]

I know

[limpid cairn]

You just need a lot of velocity

[pseudo perch]

wait, lemmi check if its maybe due to a keybind thing

ok ima make a ramp and see if that dose anything

nope

[rigid mist]

why build some giant ass building that'll be barely used?

"science isn't about asking why, it's about asking why not!" -Cave Johnson

[pseudo perch]

yea slope dont work and my parashot dosent seem to do anything with it

[rancid current]

tried restarting game?

[twilit tinsel]

I dont feel like playing satisfactory what do i doto like feel like playing satisfactory again

[pseudo perch]

been like that for a bit

(I have all ready reloaded in the world a few times basicly)

[tacit trellis]

Take a break and go back idk

Pick one of the like 20 games of the year that came out this year lmao

[rancid current]

If u have a lot of hours in recently, yeah take a break. You'll be ready when you start hearing "the factory needs to grow" in your dreams

[pseudo perch]

also i'd recomend to put signs around the world to remind you of things when you come back from break, certianly helps me alot

[granite lark]

i thought the maps were hand crafted why is the closest thing of coal 1k meters away I just started

[tacit trellis]

They hand crafted the coal 1k meters away from spawn

[rancid current]

you can put personal notes in the todo list you know

[pseudo perch]

diffrent spawn zones got diffrent resource avaiblitys

[twilit tinsel]

I have like 60 hours in the past 2 weeks and ive been playing for more than 2 weeks

[rigid mist]

oh lmao i made the base twice as large as it needs to be

[pseudo perch]

i know, that as well

[granite lark]

sounds awesome

[twilit tinsel]

im waiting for the steam sale to buy any games...

[rancid current]

same xD yeah no take a break dude

[rigid mist]

not the base base, the base of the tower

[tacit trellis]

U got a steam I'll gift silksong lmao

[twilit tinsel]

nonononoono its oaky

[tacit trellis]

🤷‍♂️

[rigid mist]

36 foundations by 36 foundations at the base

[twilit tinsel]

ill try and figure out something to play

[rigid mist]

not that large tbh except it'll be 1200 meters tall

[twilit tinsel]

what are you making thats 1200 meters tall

[tacit trellis]

Oh yeah go search some satisfactory tip videos on YouTube that'll make you want to play again

[rigid mist]

doofenshmirtz evil incorporated

[tacit trellis]

It makes me want to play again lmao

[twilit tinsel]

i already have like 3 things planned but its like too much

[tacit trellis]

Do it just piece by piece and you'll have it set up in... Some time

[twilit tinsel]

and its like rough beacuse im starting to re build EVERYTHING starting from like ingots and stuff

[tacit trellis]

Just run away from home and start a new base

[twilit tinsel]

so i have an aluminum factory planned out

[twilit tinsel]

the factory is everywhere.

[tacit trellis]

There's gotta be more map for you to explore

[twilit tinsel]

I have a global train network

[rancid current]

"the factory NEEDS to grow bigger"

[meager fern]

the factory needs to consume every square inch of the planet

[twilit tinsel]

theres no where left bro

[meager fern]

you dont need trains, you need belts everywhere

[tacit trellis]

No fucking way lmao actually got global trade

[remote cloud]

go up, vertical

[tacit trellis]

Silksong key is still on offer lmao

[twilit tinsel]

you know what if your okay with it sure ^^

[tacit trellis]

Dm steam or smth

[twilit tinsel]

friend code or username?

[meager fern]

thats right no embeds here

[tacit trellis]

Either or

[rigid mist]

me when 1200 metre tall tower

[arctic hamlet]

can someone explain how my 10 fuel generators only generate 2000 mw at 100% efficiency?

[limber plaza]

what fuel are you using

[arctic hamlet]

Just normal fuel

[limber plaza]

thats why

[limber plaza]

different fuel generates different amounts of power

[tall lantern]

different fuel has different burn rates*

still produces 250 MW in a gen at default clocks

so presumably, two of your gens either aren't hooked up to your grid or aren't running

[limber plaza]

ahhh im stupid, what he said

[arctic hamlet]

wow

i had hooked 2 of them up togehter lol

Thanks :)

[tall lantern]

yeah that happens

[latent meadow]

even with 2 t5 belts i still being hindered by my belts 🙁

of input

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message i dont want to but its in the way

[hard ivy]

I was gonna say nuke it but I see you already have one ready

[rigid mist]

ok so i need to build 252 nuclear reactors for full utilisation
and i now have this fuckass HUGE tower
i have an idea....

[atomic notch]

Cube

[rigid mist]

dodecahedron

[tacit trellis]

Mf building the dyson sphere

[feral geyser]

Reminds me of The Phantom Toolbooth. Love it

[rigid mist]

peak book

[shrewd palm]

overclocking i think

[nocturne condor]

Redid my entire base (since i unlocked mk2 belts and wanted to maximize output, and everything was spaghetti) with 16 smelters ready to go!.. i only need 4 to get the entire build I was planning for the time being. I really underestimated how much 4 smelters do on their own

[tacit trellis]

Lmao gotta read the rates

[feral geyser]

Go get more veins lol

You already built it, fuck it, cut em up

[cunning siren]

Got it AND oooof 😆 #screenshots message

[meager fern]

with tier 2 miners and tier 3 belts, should i just overclock the miners to get the full 270 on a pure node?

[feral geyser]

Yeee

[feral geyser]

Go for the plates, cuz even using copper wire, it's still more resource-efficient

Copper wire is 5:10 compared to Iron wire's 5:9

[cunning siren]

I like this strat where you "turtle" the phases to "milk" out the good alts

I had to use foundation cheese on two of the 3 hard drives 😆

Got Cast Screws and Copper Rotoar on the other two, seems good

[nocturne condor]

Sadly im lacking the supplies to do that efficiently atm. I will have them once i build up this factory im building, since i only need 4 smelters for my build I'll just double it i guess

[meager fern]

is compacted coal actually worth spending a hard drive on?

[elder apex]

it's a prerequisite for rocket fuel, so yes.

[nocturne condor]

In my defense I only got like 70 hours and haven't played since early Access

[meager fern]

so basically, not right now, because im nowhere near rocket fuel

[tacit trellis]

💀 mf got more hours than me.

[meager fern]

i only have 85 hours in the steam version, and probably the same in epic games early access

what i've been doing? no idea because i still suck

[elder apex]

i should clarify, it's a prereq for turbofuel, rocket fuel, and ionized fuel. So if you are interested in any of those you'll need to unlock compacted coal at some point

[meager fern]

i'll probably get them at some point, but probably not right now because i'll probably get some good alt recipes that are useful before then

[rancid current]

i only have 450hrs, 200 of them are the last 2 months ;-;

[latent meadow]

i hate having belt botteneck

[rancid current]

until the alt. turbo blend fuel, that one is amazing

[rancid current]

you're not getting past it 😭 even at mk.5 its a bottleneck

[latent meadow]

wait there a 6

oof i though it stoped at 5

[rancid current]

my bad xD

[latent meadow]

no it ok

[rancid current]

hit 6 instead of 5 ;-;

[shrewd palm]

6 goes up to 1200

[latent meadow]

nice

[rancid current]

awee i was trying to not spoil xD

[latent meadow]

yea i mean i guess i could kind of redsign my storage but i fel like still be a bit of a bottlenetck

i fine tribby it ok

[real shale]

👀

[latent meadow]

it doest spoil the fun

[real shale]

How are all the pioneers doing today

[shrewd palm]

tbh the only kind of bottleneck you should be getting with mk6 belts is with screws or something

[latent meadow]

stil lgot to get there and still fun doing it 🙂

[rancid current]

The factory NEEDS to grow bigger

[real shale]

Actually, trains too

[rancid current]

my ideas are beyond your comprehension >:D i need like a 2700 belt or something

[real shale]

Iirc I remember seeing somewhere that trains bottleneck a Mk6 belt too

[shrewd palm]

i guess but 1200/min is enough for trains

i just split that up into 4 cars and then add trains until throughput is what its supposed to be

[rancid current]

I have 10carts that needs to be unloaded with raw ore each time xD

[limpid cairn]

You’re supposed to split 1200 resources into 4 wagons?

Damn

[real shale]

I mean you don't have to

You could always run the belt across the map if you wanted to

[rancid current]

bet

[limpid cairn]

Guess what I’m doing right now

[real shale]

Pioneer 2000 hours into the game discovers train technology with a fully developed belt network that traverses the entire map

[latent meadow]

wat the max output of a t5

[real shale]

780

[latent meadow]

so tell me is there any way a belt would max out at 780

or is that even possible to ge tthe max output of a belt

[limpid cairn]

yes

[real shale]

Sushi belts

[limpid cairn]

No

[latent meadow]

i doing a susui belt

that not putouting max

the problem i seeing is if the ouput of a belt is 780 right

[real shale]

yeah

[abstract heron]

has anyone got a uobject limlt

[latent meadow]

why does the tractor station only says it oputing 65

with 2 belts at t5

[real shale]

Listen I will run my sushi belts if I want to and max them out with any recipe involving screws

[limpid cairn]

don’t join the dark side…

[real shale]

It is too late for me

[latent meadow]

i alreayd have dont worry nerd i doing the same thing

lol

[velvet nimbus]

So I have this Electromagnetic Control Rod factory and the math is 100% correct, and there is an awesome sink that sinks any overflow, the belts are all mark 5 and so are the lifts, the part counter thing says it makes 25 per min which is what it is supposed to make. but! The Copper Sheet and the A.I Limiter will back up in the last 3 machines and will drop to 80% or less efficiency, could this be a bug?

[real shale]

I can make sushi belts work I swear..

Just don't look in the basement where I store the sinks

[rigid mist]

well shit
i need 101 water pipes to fuel my nuclear generators
and i'm building them in a tower

[limpid cairn]

-# Water Tower

[rigid mist]

hehe

that's a 10x10 block of pipes+ one

[wicked marlin]

how do i change the direction im going with the hyper tube junction?

[rigid mist]

e

[limpid cairn]

-# there’s a way to transport and infinite amount of liquid up an infinite amount of meters btw just saying

[rigid mist]

how

tell me the ways

[real shale]

Water tower thing

[wicked marlin]

water tower

[real shale]

It's in the fluids guide

[rigid mist]

right i was gonna look at that

[real shale]

I pray twice a day to the fluid gods that they bless me with good fluid dynamics

[rancid current]

could it be that the time it takes the part to reach the machine, is to long so the machine is done finish the part before reciving the other it needs to begin? i had this problem because of long belts

[limpid cairn]

I don’t remember it correctly but if you pump 1 pipe of liquid up and then bring it down to the water extraction plant and input the already at the top being liquid into the system the entire plant should get a shit ton of head lift

[rigid mist]

ah

[wicked marlin]

i just tweaked my junction and noticed the E, idk if it was there before

[rigid mist]

interesting interesting

[wicked marlin]

thanks, I thought you were just shitposting lol

[rigid mist]

but i still need 504 extractors

[rancid current]

put on a good song xD

[real shale]

I know someone who had a prime solution for this........ his name is Josh....

[limpid cairn]

Blueprint 🤔

[rancid current]

I miss the days you could speak with ada in game

[rigid mist]

you can't bp water extractors i don't think

[rancid current]

-# Let's game it out josh?

[real shale]

Yea

[rancid current]

oh dear god yes, he had good ideas

[rigid mist]

wait is it still limited to 600/min?

[limpid cairn]

Not sure if it work but you could try to nudge the bp builder into water no?

[real shale]

I don't think you can do that anymore

I think you used to be able to do that but can't anymore

[rigid mist]

if you use the head lift glitch do you get unlimited throughput or is that different

[real shale]

That's different

[rigid mist]

how do you do that

[elder apex]

you can bp water extractors with certain mods or by downloading an already existing bp with extractors

[rigid mist]

damn
i may just Overclock instead but i'll still need 201.6

[real shale]

Mass extinction of power slugs incoming

[rigid mist]

i'm in creative mode

[meager fern]

slug jesus didnt die so you could commit these types of sins

[rancid current]

you can straight up place the bp builder in water, but the water extrator will clip through it and the bp wont allow its placement

[limpid cairn]

-# synthetic slugs🤔

[rigid mist]

should i manifold my 252 nuclear reactors or balance them (/j)

[real shale]

sushi belt them......

[meager fern]

i think a manifold should be consistent enough

[rigid mist]

oh god

no please no

[real shale]

Yes please ues

Mix the waste with the fuel rods you know you want to.....

[rancid current]

is your factory so hungry it straight up needs sushi?!

[real shale]

Yes

[rancid current]

;-;

[real shale]

My factory FEASTS on programmable splitters

[rancid current]

My factory is more into....Spaghetti 👀

but we call em "logistical floors" right?.....right?

[real shale]

I actually wanna make a central storage hub that uses a massive amount of programmable splitters to sort stuff, I know dimensional depot exists but....the fun in programming all those splitters

[rigid mist]

why is the nuclear plant so tall

[rancid current]

do you just enjoy pain?????

[real shale]

I enjoy making FICSIT proud

The holy sushi belt that just has every item in the game on it

[rancid current]

you know what, i would actually want to see that ngl

[rigid mist]

should i overclock my nuclear generators so i only need to build 100.8 instead of 252

[real shale]

Except for nuclear stuff, I dump that into the water

[feral geyser]

I would love to 0.8 of a reactor

(Wrapping back around to the book) kinda like the 0.52 of a boy on the Stairway to Infinity

[meager fern]

this is why i hate alt recipes. i'm trying to figure out what i want to do with my first official factory, and looking at the numbers i would have to make 8 assemblers worth of stitched iron plates to have a nice whole number of production, and that would take up half of my iron

well half of my iron if im stupid and make everything out of iron

[limpid cairn]

Yes

[tacit trellis]

when I was playing with my friend I was mid build and this mf would unlock alt recipes like wtf do I do with this I can't redo my maths on the fly like this lmao

[rigid mist]

alrighty then

[meager fern]

i guess i could just make things "easier" on myself and just make cast screws instead of iron wire, and make regular plates

[limber plaza]

i would recommend using the alloy recepie if you have both copper and iron close helps craft alot more since the ouput is roughly 100 at 100%

[meager fern]

i guess i have copper. but then i wouldnt have 150 copper wire per minute just going into some random storage container, and 60 cable per minute doing the same thing

and my 4 smelters that literally arent doing anything because i dont need all that cable and wire

i assure you i need thousands of copper wire and cable when i dont even have a functioning factory

[limber plaza]

youll need them for other alt recipes either way thats how my factory is setup but i have 2 copper nodes and 2 iron nodes all pure mk2 going into 16 foundries split evenly

thats if you wanna be effecient n produce as much as possible but u can do whatever u want really just a suggestion

[limpid cairn]

Good luck

[rigid mist]

because each reactor takes an entire 600 pipe on it's own i can't even blueprint it

[wicked marlin]

I was trying to make a hypertube cannona and now im stuck in a loop

[winter ruin]

Anyone know the a good way to keep trains from getting backed up at intersections?

[shrewd palm]

it makes things much nicer

so that you just set up 5 water extractors in a line (or 2 when overclocking), put that pipe into a bus, and then each reactor gets one pipe

[real shale]

Okay, I caved and bought the big box set

[random shore]

just reached phase 3 at 80 hours everyone pls pray for me

[real shale]

take your time

I'm at 250+ and I haven't even started anything to do with phase 4 yet

There's people who have thousands of hours and not even finished the game yet

[shrewd palm]

if you care about aesthetics the game will take a lot longer

[random shore]

I've been stuck building roads and truck stations for easy transport to a mall for the last 10 hours or so

which are probably eventually going to transport from that mall to a bigger mall via train once I unlock them

[random shore]

thats another thing, I've been building all open modular factories with no walls or anything. waiting for the right opportunity to make them look pretty.

[velvet nimbus]

I have played many different starts since the game launced in early access. I have never completed Phase 4 until this playthrough. I am 2 elevator parts away from Phase 5 being done. I am trying to do this as minimally as I can. Like 1 or less per minute of the super complex parts. I made all 1100 Nuclear Pasta with 1 particle accelerator.

I can do the crazy go big build next time. I have got to get to the finish line first

Even with that being said, I am still encasing all my factories in buildings with all roofs and walls and inputs all through wall holes etc

the only things I leave outside are miners/extractors/train stations and power plants.

[shrewd palm]

decorating train stations is kind of slept on

big ones anyways

[velvet nimbus]

Next build 🙂

I have barely made trains

I have a 3 car shuttle that goes back and forth on a single line and a larger loop train with 5 cars that goes between 2 big building sites with a copper pickup half way.

I will probably build another train out to the desert where I plan to make the last 2 elevator parts.

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message this is the train station for my phase 5 random junk factory

[velvet nimbus]

I build basic ass buildings lol

[shrewd palm]

a couple of drone ports/small stations for the stuff i need in smaller amounts

and then 2 really big ones for the 8400 coal and 12600 limestone i'll be needing

[velvet nimbus]

foundation, walls. flat glass roof. But I do use a Frame Foundation for anything that smelts/burns indoors to simulate ventilation

[feral geyser]

I just paint the floors above my smelters black with soot lmao.

[viscid bobcat]

how do I split 360 into 45 evenly with only mark 3 conveyor belts

[feral geyser]

45 separate belts, or belts with 45/min on them?

[velvet nimbus]

I wish you actually had to deal with ventilation if you put refinery/smelter etc inside of a building

[viscid bobcat]

45/min

[feral geyser]

Source speeds?

[shrewd palm]

either set up a balancer that splits it into 8 belts or manifold it

[velvet nimbus]

it would be cool if the whole building would smoke up without actual fans or holes open to the outside

[viscid bobcat]

cant manifold it because i have mark 3 conveyor belts

[viscid bobcat]

what is that

[feral geyser]

You need 2 belts to bring it then too

[shrewd palm]

can just plug the other belt in after the main 240 runs out

[feral geyser]

Build a 2:2 leveler, then split each belt into 4

[viscid bobcat]

explain it to me like I know 0 terminology

[feral geyser]

Split both belts.
Merge one belt from each splitter.
= leveler

[latent meadow]

oh that not a bad idea

[rigid mist]

i only need 3 floors of nuclear reactors

[feral geyser]

Then you have two belts at 180

[rigid mist]

44 reactors each floor

[feral geyser]

Then split each of them into 4

180/4 = 45

[viscid bobcat]

who tf told me this game was simple

[shrewd palm]

someone who has never gone beyond phase 1

[feral geyser]

It is, but you're choosing the hard way

[viscid bobcat]

wait but it would be unbalanced

because I have one belt thats 240 and another thats 120

[feral geyser]

The leveler fixes that

It takes 120 from one and 60 from the other, and merges them

[shrewd palm]

you could also just take a mk1 belt from the 240 and give that to the 120

i think thats what they're saying

[viscid bobcat]

my brain is either fried or im stupid

[shrewd palm]

and then split each of those into 3

[shrewd palm]

load balancing gets everyone the first few times around i think, especially when numbers dont end in nice 0s

[viscid bobcat]

ive never done load balancing in my life

[feral geyser]

I can send you a 2:2 leveler BP when I get to my desk

[viscid bobcat]

only been doing manifolds

[feral geyser]

Super simple

[viscid bobcat]

so I have 3 120 belts side by side, what do I do with them

to end up with 8 belts that have 45 each

[shrewd palm]

for basically everything manifolds will be the easier answer, and sometimes the only sane one

[feral geyser]

Don't do that, 120 isn't divisible by 45

[velvet nimbus]

This is hands down my favvorite PC game of all time.

[viscid bobcat]

ok so I merge 2 of the 120 belts into 240 and keep 120

[feral geyser]

Scroll back

[shrewd palm]

take 60 (just a mk1 belt) from the 240 and connect that to the 120, and then split the 2 now 180 belts into 3

[feral geyser]

Read what I said

[shrewd palm]

should be 8 belts of 45 afterwards

[viscid bobcat]

ok i get what u mean

[feral geyser]

180/3 ≠ 45

[shrewd palm]

right i am also cooked

[viscid bobcat]

180/4 = 45 so that method is perfect

[shrewd palm]

split them into 2 and then those into 2

[feral geyser]

Levelers really aren't that complicated, guys

[viscid bobcat]

ive never done this in my life

[feral geyser]

Especially ones with 3 or fewer inputs/outputs

[viscid bobcat]

i dont know what a leveler is

i dont know a single word that you're saying

[feral geyser]

Brother

Read then

[viscid bobcat]

⌇⌿⌰⟟⏁ ⏚⍜⏁⊑ ⏚⟒⌰⏁⌇ ⏃⋏⎅ ⋔⟒⍀☌⟒ ⏁⊑⟒⋔ ⏚⍜⏁⊑???

its like a different language

[outer hatch]

So to restate :
240+120 = (120+120)+(60+60)
= (120+60)+(120+60)
= 180 + 180
= 90 + 90 + 90 + 90
= 45 + 45 + 45 + 45 + 45 + 45 + 45 + 45

[feral geyser]

Weaponized incompetence, I see

[viscid bobcat]

i understand now

[feral geyser]

Skill issue

[viscid bobcat]

ok

[feral geyser]

Exactly this

[outer hatch]

Math is the true universal language

[feral geyser]

Apparently not for this guy.

[outer hatch]

Eh, it happens. There's always a way to explain, but the same way doesn't work for all people.

(Which is why teacher is a much fucking harder job than people believe)

[feral geyser]

I don't know of any simpler way to explain a simple 2:2 leveler than what I described, unless I talk in caveman speak

[feral geyser]

This (felt as a teacher, of math, no less)

I'm not paid in here, so expect to catch the occasional salt from me if you're being obtuse.

[viscid bobcat]

🫤

[feral geyser]

I'll still send that blueprint if you want it

[viscid bobcat]

i already did it

[feral geyser]

Nice

[cursive crane]

just use a manifold ffs

[feral geyser]

They are belt speed limited

[cursive crane]

How?

[feral geyser]

360 in total, mk 3 belts

[cursive crane]

combine into two, manifold 2

[feral geyser]

That would also be fine

Leveler -> 2 manifolds each at 180

[viscid bobcat]

i dont wanna touch manifolds again

not after last time

[feral geyser]

-1000 yard stare-

What happened last time?

[cursive crane]

How many input belts do you have

[silent aurora]

i can only imagine

[feral geyser]

2 (240+120)

[silent aurora]

manifolded nuclear?

[viscid bobcat]

im not there yet

[outer hatch]

Graphs are also a good way to showcase design patterns :
(Triple Backticks/grave accents for code-blocks make it easy)

---240--(S)---120-------120---T
         L----120---T         |
                    |         |
---120--(S)--60----(M)---180) |
         L---60--------------(M)---180)```

[viscid bobcat]

wait what

mine does not look like that

I took 60 out of 240 to make 180 and 180

and then I split those up till I got 45

wait thats what u got too

[feral geyser]

That is literally the leveler I was describing

[outer hatch]

As long as you've got your double 180 you're good

[real shale]

Wait you are so right I should apply my skills as a design engineer to this game

I should make technical drawings

[outer hatch]

I'm applying my skills as a software-engineer-who's-forced-to-make-silly-drawing-in-Visio-to-explain-stuff-to-clueless-businessmen to this game 😭

[real shale]

Can't relate, too busy drawing

[vocal wolf]

can't relate, currently making factory cart production chain

i found out i just wasted 30 mins of my life on something that cant be automated 😭

[feral geyser]

Get wrekt

(Teasing)

[real shale]

That's not the FICSIT attitude I want to see "can't be automated" isn't in the FICSIT dictionary

[outer hatch]

To anyone who wants to try their hand and don't have a grave-accent compatible keyboard to put out the codeblock syntax, the syntax is :

```
The stuff you want here
```

for

The stuff you want here

[feral geyser]

Tell that to inhalers 😒

[real shale]

Okay

[outer hatch]

(Wait, didn't mean to answer to you, Loonbah)

[real shale]

Hey inhalers

That's not the FICSIT attitude I want to see "can't be automated" isn't in the FICSIT dictionary

There I told it to inhalers what not

[feral geyser]

Automated Inhalers mod unlocked

[outer hatch]

"Health is not a part of the FICSIT Health Managment Program", after all. ADA doesn't lie.

[real shale]

It's fine I don't have asthma anyway

[white dawn]

Yeah, I'm still hoping they introduce recipes for automated inhalers, eventually

[feral geyser]

Only if they also give us greenhouses (which they won't)

[real shale]

Gardening......in satisfactory

That's like.....the opposite of what you are supposed to do

[feral geyser]

Listen

I just want lawn foundations

[real shale]

You are supposed to pollute the goddamn planet not grow it

[feral geyser]

I wanna make a putting green

[shrewd palm]

that goes against the "optional" sidequest of destroying all organic matter with pollution created by factories

[feral geyser]

What better way to destroy a planet than by putting a big golf course on it?

[real shale]

There is a better way

It's called pumping copious amounts of greenhouse gases into it

[shrewd palm]

then all the rich ficsit billionaires have somewhere to go to avoid paying taxes!

[feral geyser]

DID YOU SAY GREENHOUSE??

😏

[white dawn]

Eh, we've got automatable recipes to turn leaves+grass+remains into various products; inhalers could be set up the same

[real shale]

NOT THE GARDENING TYPE

[feral geyser]

True true

[white dawn]

I don't mind having to manually dump some exploration spoils in a bin and then have them get processed from there

[feral geyser]

I'll put a lookout tower overlooking the green on hole 5

Yes that's a reference, no I won't elaborate

[real shale]

I want more types of power towers

[outer hatch]

I want a 4-ladder one.

[real shale]

Why is everything running off a suspension tower

Where are the tension towers

[viscid bobcat]

omg i just realized ur name has FEAR in it

look at this warden bruh

[real shale]

Actually I want to make a proper substation at some point

[feral geyser]

That would look cool

[real shale]

Actually oh my god I'm realising now, I can make actual busbars by using round concrete with the metallic paint

[peak wasp]

So is the gun any good?

[real shale]

Which one

[peak wasp]

the rifle

[cursive crane]

its a gun in a game in a game not about fighting where the creatures can be turned to passive without any consequence.

its ok. stun rebars most fun on multiplayer

[real shale]

I don't know about you, but I would rather blast any stinger on sight

Passive or not. It dies.

[zenith fractal]

one way to deal with arachnophobia

[real shale]

I actually remember reading on the table of the anniversary trailer "mother stinger boss"

Coffee Stain if this is an actual idea you have cooking up, don't.

Please. No.

[heavy pine]

Well, it'll be a while since I've just got the materials trickling in, but I've automated the last parts of Phase 5.

Looking at just under two hours, assuming my production chain doesn't run out of materials.

[cunning siren]

Good thing my memory is not very good for where all the treasure is at 😆 I get to play a "new" game every time

[heavy pine]

I ended up not using trucks as much as I thought I might, and not using trains at all. Lots of drones zipping around the map though.

The throughput isn't the best, but drones are super easy to set up.

I think next time, probably after the next major update, I'm going to try to make myself use trains.

[feral geyser]

The rifle is fantastic, but the ammo determines the damage

The game isn't about combat, but fighting critters is fun, especially earlier on before you get top-tier mobility.

Makes it more thrilling when you can't just blast off to safety 😏

[heavy pine]

Need to figure out something to kill time while the next 750-ish biomechancial sculptors are crafted.

[weary frost]

Homing rifle ammo on top

[feral geyser]

Homing ammo is actually the weakest (3 dmg) but it is nice to not have to aim

[weary frost]

thats why you have 2 guns

hot swap

evens out the damage

[feral geyser]

Hell yeah, brother

[rigid glen]

hugs his rebar gun

[weary frost]

that loaded with explosive rebar is the backup

[feral geyser]

Hey, big guns, small guns, guns as big as your head, welcome to Murica, baby

[weary frost]

then nuke nobelisks if all else fails

[feral geyser]

Truly American.

[heavy pine]

"Our guns come in three sizes; big, huge, and 'don't point that at my planet!'"

[feral geyser]

What is that from? That's great 😂

[heavy pine]

I want to say the "don't point that at my planet" class of guns comes from a paper-and-dice RPG that an old friend of mine was talking about many years ago, but I'll be damned if I know what it was.

[feral geyser]

That's hella funny, im gonna use that at some point

[heavy pine]

A little bit of Googling says it comes from "Tales of the Floating Vagabond"

[feral geyser]

Nice

[meager fern]

well that went about as poorly as i expected. i'm just hoping that unlocking blueprints will save me from this hell

[heavy pine]

threw some shards into the blenders, now I'm getting 20/min instead of 8/min. That'll make this go much faster.

[meager fern]

#screenshots message this is why i dont use alt recipes. it throws me off completely and causes this to happen

[feral geyser]

That looks decent, what are you complaining about?

[heavy pine]

I've seen/done much worse

[meager fern]

those 2 smelters you can see backed up on the bottom rightish arent connected to anything, and there are really long conveyor belts that look awful

they dont really fit in anywhere in my numbers so they are just sitting there

you cant really see it in a screenshot, but its a similar situation with the rest of it. belts going through belts and things being produced inefficiently because my brain cant keep the numbers straight and i hate this production planner thing

[heavy pine]

Alt recipes can make certain things much simpler. I don't think I have anything using screws outside of the little starter factory that I never got around to dismantling.

[atomic crest]

Do you think the devs will ever make drones many to many

[cursive crane]

Not using alts because of your own poor planning is like not using trains because you don't understand high throughput. Its still up to you, but it doesn't make you right

[meager fern]

with screws i at least have this neat compact setup that looks cool even if it is space inneficient. the numbers are also easier to make it look good and balance it. with the alt recipe and the decimals everytime i have to change 1 number all the other ones get changed

[meager fern]

i sat here for 2 hours trying to plan it

a simple modular frame line

before it just started giving me a headache

[cursive crane]

Thats not the recipe's fault. the recipe doesn't cause confusion. your misunderstanding of game mechanics does.

[meager fern]

my misunderstanding of what mechanics?

being bad at math and calculating the best amount of things to make to simplify the production line doesnt have much to do with mechanics

everytime i find one set of numbers that seems good and simple, there ends up being something else that i would have to balance or mess around with underclocking/overclocking

[heavy pine]

The math does get kinda hairy, but the game has a calculator built in. I only recently learned you can put a formula into the target production.

Like you can put in "150/6" and it'll set the output to 25/min.

[meager fern]

thats kind of handy to know

[white dawn]

You can always just use a manifold to feed machines, btw -- no need to balance things unless you want to. As for underclocking/overclocking, if you really don't want to dive into that, you can just leave all the machines at 100% and let them occasionally go idle as they starve a bit. If a production plan wants you to make 3.5 constructors, just make 4, manifold 'em, and you're done

(That said, if a production plan wants you to make 3.5 constructors, you could also just have 3 of them at 100% and then the fourth at 50%, but leaving the fourth at 100% will make things work just fine anyway)

[meager fern]

it feels like what i actually need to be doing, is just smelting all of the iron i produce, and then shipping it off to get turned into something, instead of smelting each thing of iron as part of the production line

a smelting array or whatever you call it

[feral geyser]

No, that over complicates things early game, cuz you don't have good distribution systems

[meager fern]

i was just as bad at mathing things out in factorio

[heavy pine]

That's one strategy, but would probably be better for when you have trains and such.

Bring ore in on one train, send out ingots on another

[feral geyser]

I recommend (especially early game) drawing your own production trees with pencil and paper, and working out the math by hand

[nocturne condor]

splitters and mergers run as fast as the belt that run out of them correct? as im sending 120 items through double mergers (30/30/30 in the first. followed by a 120 belt pulling 90 items into the next merger so its 90/30. and another 120 belt leading out and the 120 belt going until the end so theres no slow down). despite this for some reason my system is running slow? like on the triple one they keep getting stopped despite the fact the system is still taking on fresh resources and the belt is moving well, 120 exactly

[feral geyser]

How many machines, how many resources, etc.