satisfactory

[versed mesa]

@midnight ocean jets back befor touching grown use your jetpack so your dont die

Cool we both are new dogs lol

[midnight ocean]

yeah i got the game back in early access and im just coming back so there is so much new stuff

[sterile needle]

would 350 hours be considered new to the game

[versed mesa]

@midnight ocean I was the same i also needed fir research but you will need it fir alot more than research

[versed mesa]

Its mid new lol

[sterile needle]

mmmmmmmmmmm yes

[leaden turret]

less than 10% of my hours 😛

[midnight ocean]

so do i need to wait until i have the jetpack to get SAM?

[versed mesa]

Its upto you

[teal geyser]

No

[upper gale]

It's up to you really. I just recently started to learn that playtime isn't as good of an indicator of knowledge/skill than I expected

[teal geyser]

There is SAM ore nodes all over the map. You could use ramps or a Jetpack, or ladders, etc

[next sequoia]

Wow Sam actually has a purpose u just gotta get to phase 9

[upper gale]

Have to look around quite a bit depending on your area. But yeah sam is available since the start

[versed mesa]

@upper gale I think am just going to have to install cola gens at mu oil factory so when creating rubber it eats the Coke

[sterile needle]

:I

[next sequoia]

Yea I found it and started making stuff then realized I only need like 3 stacks ever

[midnight ocean]

i set up right next to the giant arch actually

[upper gale]

Oh the arch near grassy fields

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[midnight ocean]

the one kinda need the sheer drop into nothingness

[upper gale]

Lol I see

[versed mesa]

Thats it lol

[upper gale]

I don't remember any sam nodes nearby there but I could be wrong

[sterile needle]

Anyone have thoughts on why spawn here vs there?

[upper gale]

Mostly nodes and difficulty starting out

Dune desert has lots of ore nodes you can work with. But you might struggle with fueling the biomass burners in the beginning there

[sterile needle]

there is that one lake though

[next sequoia]

Id say yea im 250h, first world just got to teir 9

[upper gale]

Yeah that oasis spot and also waterfall on the other side

[sterile needle]

i have like 10 save files none past whatever teir you get trains i forget

[upper gale]

The forrest start has cliffs and less space but lots of flora and also decent nodes

[next sequoia]

Lol you gotta use the trains to get further

[midnight ocean]

i went for the easiest start since it had been a while since i last played

[sterile needle]

nah i get the trains and then instaid of goin further i just play with the trains

[next sequoia]

Valid

[sterile needle]

"I Like Trains"

[next sequoia]

I wonder if anyone's ever made a loop de loop

I bet, just where to find it lol

[midnight ocean]

btw is there any way to turn off the music coming from the hub?

[next sequoia]

There's a mod for it lol

[sterile needle]

prob not because of track limits i mainly do the trains "realisticly"

[next sequoia]

What's the dimension of blueprint mk3

[sterile needle]

6x6 i think

[upper gale]

Options > gameplay > disable seasonal events

[next sequoia]

Surely not mk2 is 5x5

[midnight ocean]

thanks it was driving me mad

[next sequoia]

I'm gonna turn that off too

[upper gale]

Have to rejoin your world after applying

[sterile needle]

also here after i goofed with the trains for hours i get bored and lonely lol and then i disappear from that save

[midnight ocean]

the ficsit store is so weird coming back to

back in my day we could just make conveyor walls

[sterile needle]

i watched those days didnt have a good pc yet and didnt have money

[midnight ocean]

they were good days

did they change the map since then or am i just remembering wrongly?

[sterile needle]

Kibitz was the source of entertainment then

they changed the map

[midnight ocean]

i dont even remember who i watched i just remember a mess of conveyors

[upper gale]

Some areas were updated/changed

[sterile needle]

may have been lets game it out

[midnight ocean]

probably

smart plating takes so long to produce

[sterile needle]

after all he did make the first satisfactory video 6 years ago

[supple rain]

I have a question for late-game planning

do I ask here or elsewhere

[sterile needle]

i dont have an answer

[supple rain]

damn

[next sequoia]

Tragic

[supple rain]

your profile picture is tragic

[next sequoia]

Nuh uh

[sterile needle]

what stage you on

[next sequoia]

Good thing I have 2800 extra super computers so I can wipe out this 400 required really easily

[sterile needle]

bruv why

[midnight ocean]

im making the 50 for the first space elevator stage

[sterile needle]

still early game

[midnight ocean]

oh yeah

[next sequoia]

Oh good thing I have 2400 pressure conversion cubes

[supple rain]

yeah it's slow at first, it gets faster

[sterile needle]

recomend getting coal power the second you can

[supple rain]

my planned smart plating factory will make 50 per minute :3

[upper gale]

Slap a reinforced iron plate and a rotor together, it's smart now xd

[next sequoia]

Good thing I have 2400 fused modular frames and 7200 cooling systems

[sterile needle]

WHY

[next sequoia]

I can clear thru these milestones like mothing

[midnight ocean]

i would love to i keep running out of power for more buildings

[supple rain]

speaking of space elevatir factories -
How is best to get more Dark Matter Residue? I need more of it and I don't have enough SAM to spare

[next sequoia]

Well I made a factory and put an industrial storage container at the end. So it filled up while I was building my other factories

[sterile needle]

lol i realy only came here because i kept gettign bored before i could go farther then trains lol

[next sequoia]

Just in case of an emergency where you'd need 7200 cooling systems or something idk

I only have 400 extra nuclear spaghetti tho

They take a while

[sterile needle]

how many nukes you got lol

[next sequoia]

None

[sterile needle]

oof

[next sequoia]

Haven't unlocked

[sterile needle]

i see

[dense violet]

6x6

[next sequoia]

Bruhhh

Absolute garbage

6x6 is tiny

I need like a 10x10

[sterile needle]

i have a mod for a 12x6 i think

[dense violet]

you know you could build a bp in more than 1 part right?

[upper gale]

Yeah they wanted it to be a bit more challenging

[next sequoia]

Yea but then I have to connect tons of conveyors and stuff

[upper gale]

Instead of being able to put a massive factory down in one go

[next sequoia]

Made a modular set of blueprints for my railroad tho that's nice

[sterile needle]

i have a mod that offers a 12x12x12

[dense violet]

... you would need tons of conveyors anyway?

just build 2 bp machines next to each other and build

honestly your main issue imo is just pasting the same thing over and over

[next sequoia]

250 turbo motors that's pocket lint lol

[dense violet]

and you can auto connect the belts

[next sequoia]

I've tried pasting and the belts never commect

[odd raven]

is the a specific multiplayer Faq or channel? steam to epic crossplay just doesnt seem to work and idk how to troubleshoot it

[midnight ocean]

i really need to automate more stuff soon

[dense violet]

you need to be in auto connect mode. And have belts

[next sequoia]

How do I go in auto connect mode lol

[dense violet]

the same way you change build modes for everything else I imagine

[sterile needle]

i have a mod that has a 12x12x12 and a 10x10x10 and some others that are smaller

[next sequoia]

I'm broke I only have 700 turbo motors left

[upper gale]

Press R when placing blueprints

[odd raven]

how do you fix stem/epic multiplayer? it doesnt work but they dont bother giving logs or any useful info

[next sequoia]

Why is that not default

[upper gale]

Is joining by session ID possible?

[sterile needle]

i have never used multiplayer yet

[odd raven]

no it just says not found

[upper gale]

Saw a few people complaining about it recently, same issue

[odd raven]

neither does steam friends and we have got the accounts linked for both players

so multiplayer just doesnt work anymore?

[upper gale]

For steam and epic to play together i guess it's bugged atm

[odd raven]

its been bugged since 1.0 came out lol how is their multiplayer this bad

[dense violet]

most people dont have issues these days. Was common pre 1.0

[upper gale]

Someone mentioned before telling the steam user to switch.. something to epic for them I forgot where I saw that

[dense violet]

post in #1038092680493801533 with specifics of your systems and how you're trying to run it and what is failing

some more techy inclined person has probably seen what youre talking about

[midnight ocean]

have you made sure youre all online on steam/epic since i know that causes issues with some steam games

[feral geyser]

Log out of both steam and epic and log back in, that worked for me last time they bugged out.

[upbeat jacinth]

There isn't even a join steam friends option it's just completely broken

You can keep both logged in and use epic for connection

Even then your friend's session only shows up once per game launch

Touch the wrong thing and it disappears

[midnight ocean]

is biofuel used at all after i unlock the coal gen?

[sterile needle]

no not really

[dense violet]

you can use it in jet packs, or ot help unlock hard crash sites for hard drives

chain saws too I guess thnough I never use that in any case

[midnight ocean]

ok great thanks

[desert bridge]

i have a SS i just put up , does anyone have an idea on how to rotate this to properly line up with the border everything ive tried either drifts too far inwards or out of bounds the angle is super weird

[dense violet]

liquid bio fuel is great early on for the jet pack

I prefer it to regular fuel personally, but you can't completely automate it

[midnight ocean]

ah thanks

[prime rampart]

Guys when do i unlock coal?

[dense violet]

fairly early. You can check the wiki if you like

[prime rampart]

oh

ty

[bright echo]

I will send you a box of donuts if you give us weather in 1.2, CS.

Or just hire me as a freelancer and I will do it. Will give you all sorts of meatbally weather

[barren dove]

But then my factories needs a roof 🙁

In 2.5 month you'll have snow in the game anyway.

[neon trellis]

I'm seeing the slug particle effects and the object scanner says there's one here, but I have no idea where the slug could be. #screenshots message

I assume in a cave but I don't see caves or boulders nearby.

[bronze atlas]

there are some caves that are really long in a few places, could be that the entry is NOT nearby

[neon trellis]

How far?

the one under the big arch isn't connected.

maybe the one long cave in the northern grassy plains?

[desert bridge]

check SS channel

[bronze atlas]

you could also look at the interactive map on scim, it has tunnels and caves option you can turn on then see which ones intersect with where you're standing on the map, and look for areas of the map that look like they might be entrances, they usually kinda have shapes that imply entrances.

[torn token]

How do I handle resource transport?
For example, I'm currently working with steel and have automated a starting factory with all sorts of things. Now I want to do this with steel and everything I can currently make from steel. Do I mine iron, coal, etc., from somewhere as close to the world as possible and transport it unprocessed to the factory, or build a new factory, or only partially process it into ingots and then bring it here?
Sure, whatever I want, but do you have any recommendations?

[bronze atlas]

im on my first playthrough, i usually built my factories close to resources, with the different stuff being made in places with the resources nearby, but after advancing through most of the research and accessing trains I am now swapping it the other way and bringing resources to the factories.

I still usually build the base factory near the biggest needed resource and then use a train to bring the other needed items to it.

[torn token]

Then you have all kinds of products split everywhere?

[bronze atlas]

yeah, though it does mean if i need stuff i havent put in the dimensional depot i usually ahve to run around to get it.

[cursive crane]

Entirely up to you.

[shy mulch]

Really depends on how you want to do it. Both ways are entirely valid

[cursive crane]

Whatever you prefer, game gives you multiple options and its really up to you to evaluate and decide the best option for you.

[bronze atlas]

again though, its my first time through the game, im not sure if i would do it differently second time through. I think i like having a train network to transport stuff around better then i can build my factories wherever is convienient rather than only where needed resources are

[cursive crane]

When it comes to steel production though, most of it becomes pointless after you discover alternate recipes and progress. you will most likely have to rebuild, move, or modify any current setup later on. Do with that information what you will.

[bronze atlas]

i come from playing 2000 hours of factorio, and my friend im playing with is a spaghetti master. My factorio background makes my eyes twitch when i look at my friends spaghetti, even if its working.

[reef basin]

Generally I make separare factory for every new final product. The factory then outputs to storage/depot and overflows to sink

[distant pulsar]

Did you already ask your question btw

[empty juniper]

So does anyone use the explorer for transporting stuff? Instead of the trucks and tractors?

[bronze atlas]

does it have a programmable route too? i didnt even bother to check

[empty juniper]

yeah it does. some random googling seems to suggest that it can be used. apparently it handles terrain much better than tractors.

I want to find out a silly way to get water for my cooling devices

[bronze atlas]

program it to drive into a bunch of jump pads

[hollow halo]

Alr.. I have 2 options.

Option 1: create a whole new save and just make the new factory design there.

Option 2: suck it up and just move the factory again…

[empty juniper]

i love it, i must look into this

[bronze atlas]

Option 3: build a new factory design and keep the old one too. Treat the old factory like a post apocalyptic world and just bury it beneath the new factory.

[hollow halo]

Lotta my stuff is made in my current factory tho 😔🙏

[bronze atlas]

can still build a new one on top of the old one

just turn off the old one if you need to steal the resources for the new one

[hollow halo]

Hm.. I’ll figure it out..

[bronze atlas]

make liberal use of the tarp barriers.

in all honesty though why is it you want to restart your factory? If the problems are big enough that you really dont want to keep going the start over option might be better for you. I personally probably wont do that unless ive finished the game before, i would just expand into new areas rather than restarting.

If you just have through put issues and lack of space in your main base, then you could just make specialized factories a bit more spread out and build various things in greater quantities outside of your main base area.

[hollow halo]

no, i just dont like the look of it lol, and i wanna change it up LOL

[barren dove]

How big is it? As in, how far in progess/tier?

[gusty temple]

Honestly I delete factories regularly to restart once I get new belts and tech

[grim ermine]

Thats pretty much what your meant to do

[hollow halo]

Uhh tier 4 rn

Last time I played, I was figuring out steel production + water for power supply + looking for hard drives

[gusty temple]

Yeah I think you can just delete entire plants and start from scratch

Quick tip : do that for steel last, it's a pain in the ass to rebuilt without it lol

[hollow halo]

Uhh.. everything is all made in one place :3

[gusty temple]

lmao damn
God bless your framerate

[hollow halo]

Frames survive rn

Then again my computer is a potato on its own LOL

[cunning siren]

~110 Thermal Propulsion Rockets to go till sweet sweet Phase 5

[uncut pier]

It depends on preference, some like to try to do everything in one place, the big challenge is keeping that one place organized

I've been doing it the opposite and building many small medium factories around the map, so the challenge has been just spending more time moving around and getting everything to where it needs to go

[gusty temple]

Yeah, once you get trains and big belts though building megafactories that take the output of 6 miners and turn them into consumer products is doable but before that you really want multiple small plants imo

[torn token]

And keep all the products on the small plants or transport to somewhere central

[solemn crystal]

Guys, should satisfactory add Mega belts, its a belt x3 but 3x bigger than normal belts, basically a shortcut for building multiple belts and still look organized

[barren dove]

Then I would gather the produced resources (if you don't have cloud storage yet) disconnect the power to the miners and leave the buildings (for now) move to another biome, gathering sloops, spheres and hdd's on the way.

Then start from scratch designing a factory for 10 or 20 motor/min (even if you can't build part of the system yet) then connect each product on their own powercable line to the entrance of the factory and have each product ability to overflow into a storage.

When it is complete up and running. I'd downtune the motor producing machines somewhat of 20% so all items start to overflow into the cloud while having 10 to 15 motor/min to continue to turbomotor later on.

The steel part would need to be a separate building probably ^_^

[solemn crystal]

I dont understand a single thing of what you said but good job

[solemn crystal]

my message got drowned

[barren dove]

Thats fine ❤️

[gusty temple]

Keep the products in the pocket dimension

[barren dove]

Like stacked on top of each other?

[solemn crystal]

holy frick my autocorrect

[barren dove]

🥲 hahaha

[solemn crystal]

Its like a belt but kinda like the space belts from shapez 2

[barren dove]

It auto corrected a complete ada diary haha

[solemn crystal]

its bigger

like physically bigger
not just 3 belts

but it still has the same size as a normal 3 belts, just more organized

[gusty temple]

Having read it it seemed more like a sneaky way to publicly vent but eh
For the belts, I agree but that's basically what trains do

[solemn crystal]

Yea but like funny big belt

Its like power towers
Nobody asked for em but they good regardless

[torn token]

?

[barren dove]

I don't think i'd use it.

[solemn crystal]

You woudnt, i definitely would, its a lifesaver for someone that dosent know anything about logistics organization

i just stack many belts and it takes lob

its convinient
It would be in thw AWESOME shop like other things that are convenience based, for example conveyor lift holes, they work without them, but its better!

[barren dove]

Haha. True

[gusty temple]

For any product that you plan on using yourself, you just set up a double container with a pocket dimension intake on top, and a conveyor elevator going from the top output of the container into the input of the pocket dimension
Then if you ever actually need the output anywhere, you add the second belt to the container

[barren dove]

I got 32 tractors running in northen forrest biome to move between small factories. From iron plates to super computer 😆 🔥 all driving through a truck station hub. Just switched them from coal to ionized fuel from another biome.

[solemn crystal]

Or stack like 3 big belts and you’re done!

[gusty temple]

I actually "invented" that setup myself but I'm fairly sure 20k people made it before me x)

[solar hamlet]

What's is the closest place to dune desert that have doggos? I would like to acquire some early to get free stuff 😄

[barren dove]

After 2100 hours (probably 200 or 300 idle) I like to challenge myself a bit more then belts haha

[solemn crystal]

Basically nowhere

Go to the grassy or forest

[gusty temple]

Isn't there a cave with a ton of them in the desert ?

[barren dove]

Northen forest area.

[feral geyser]

If you go southeast ish, to the edge of the Titan Forest, you can find some there near some quartz veins

[solemn crystal]

I have 200 hours on the game, theres a difference in skill

[feral geyser]

Kinda between the forest, the desert, and the swamp

[gusty temple]

On that topic : I'm playing with my girlfriend rn and she keeps naming her dogs after me :(
There's 3 so far

[barren dove]

Nah. They are in the east. And them dogs always lose me when i run to take them 😂

Tho that cave is worth a browse when you start. For the goodies it has

[solemn crystal]

Damm youre lucky that you have such GF

[gusty temple]

She's great

[midnight ocean]

is it worth getting either of the vehicles from the ficsit shop?

[solemn crystal]

YES

[gusty temple]

Yes, they're funny

[solemn crystal]

YES YES YEPPITY YES

[midnight ocean]

the factory cart or cyber wagon?

[gusty temple]

They're 100% not relevant to the game but like
messing around in a cybertruck is hilarious

[solemn crystal]

if you dont have them you officially commited sins towards FICSIT

theyre the best creations known to massageAB kind

imagine slowly pulling up in a factory cart and your friend just watching you go at 1kmh because youre using it on land

[barren dove]

My cybertruck only turns right xD

[solemn crystal]

Its funny tho

Considering it looks like its made in a PS2, its an elaborate roast to Elon

[midnight ocean]

i cant even get it to go forwards

[solemn crystal]

Supposed to be like that

[gusty temple]

The funny bit is that it's still better than the IRL cybertruck, the adult equivalent to those red and yellow supermarket kids' cars

[gusty temple]

It does need fuel

[solemn crystal]

Never meant to be a reliable transport, more of a joke

[solemn crystal]

Factory cart solos all transport

[midnight ocean]

like the real one but on purpose?

[gusty temple]

Yes that's the joke

[solemn crystal]

Yes

it was made years ago before the cybertruck was even released

like 4-5 years ago i think

But the announcement sounded so stupid coffee stain eternally made it a joke in the game

[gusty temple]

There's a broken window to reference the fact that its announcement liveshow got an engineer to prove how unbreakable the windows were by throwing a ball at one
the window broke

[solemn crystal]

Yea i noticed XD

Funnily enough, theres the same reference in the real cybertruck, when you double tapped the screen 3d model of the cybertruck, it breaks the virtual window

[midnight ocean]

are you sure that isnt just the build quality?

[hollow halo]

Me fr…

Also I found out the coal power I spent HOURS on is literally not functioning anymore

[gusty temple]

Fluid dynamics is a cruel mistress

[hollow halo]

I fear I’m gonna crash out fr

[midnight ocean]

can i run two coal gens off the same water pump?

[shy mulch]

yep

use a pipe junction to split it

[gusty temple]

I mean it just depends on the numbers

How much water's the pump making, how much are the coal gens eating
Do the math (and the answer is yes)

[shy mulch]

also you should try to get into the habit of calling it a water extractor, not a water pump, because pumps are a completely different thing and it may cause confusion when asking questions about them

[midnight ocean]

ah i hadnt seen the consumption bit on the UI

[midnight ocean]

and yes sorry forgot water pumps were a thing

[shy mulch]

no need to apologise lol, was just mentioning

[midnight ocean]

i have now officially gotten rid of all of my biofuel generators now

[shy mulch]

I never delete mine lol

[solemn crystal]

no like the virtual window on the virtual cybertruck model thing

[shy mulch]

when I build new power plants I just keep the old ones in place too, cos why not 😛

[midnight ocean]

i dont have enough space and im saving my next factory rework for when i unlock steel

[shy mulch]

the world is huge, nobody runs out of space 😛

[solemn crystal]

Oh youd be surprised…

[midnight ocean]

i stupidly built my factory on a cliff

[hollow halo]

Waiting for the day someone runs out of space…

[hollow halo]

Oh same :D

im building mine in the sky now

AFTER I fix my power…

[solemn crystal]

is it like visually good like a tower off a cliff or is it just a bunch of floating foundation

[barren dove]

Sup with the power fren?

[shy mulch]

you reckon? I've built some absolutely massive stuff, and seen even bigger than mine, and none is even anywhere near running out of space in the world

[hollow halo]

Please tell me there’s not a world height limit..

[shy mulch]

2km

[hollow halo]

Uh…

[solemn crystal]

Ermm….

Yea but theres noway you can finish it

[torn token]

So now I understand that basic things like steel pipes or iron plates are produced directly at the sources and then transported somewhere centrally and larger things are assembled there, like stators or something like that.

[solemn crystal]

Depends on the base size

[hollow halo]

Water hates me and won’t go into the middle 3 generators, so I’m making. 4th water extractor to just deal with the problem for now

[midnight ocean]

when do i get pocket dimension intake loops?

[gusty temple]

MAM, alien technology

[solemn crystal]

I take the raw resource to my tower of madness and build everything there, i just dont like going to a far place just to increase my caterium ingots by 3%

[hollow halo]

Wait I watch let’s game it out, there is no limit to stupid LOL

[barren dove]

How many coal gens do you run? (At 100%?)

[midnight ocean]

ah i still need SAM sadly

[solemn crystal]

Nah coal gens overrated, biomass burners solo

[gusty temple]

Then you get it when you find a sam source 8)

[solemn crystal]

Imagine generating power at a set clock speed

[gusty temple]

I generally use biomass until I can switch to oil

Coal is just too annoying to setup for me

[solemn crystal]

I use biomass.

I dont switch, like never

[hollow halo]

Uhh.. haven’t checked so I’m not sure

[solemn crystal]

until i get nuclear plants

[hollow halo]

I think… 3..?

[solemn crystal]

then i pollute the entire planet with nuclear plante

[midnight ocean]

how do i break the craked wall thing?

[barren dove]

You run 3 generators and the middle 3 do not get water? XD

[solemn crystal]

Bombs

[hollow halo]

Oh you’re asking in total

[torn token]

Isnt that quiet difficult to organize

[hollow halo]

I have 10 gens

[midnight ocean]

ah so i need to just wait for steel then

[cursive phoenix]

U get the bombs from the MAM

[smoky forge]

yeh everybody knows about that, its just sometimes limited to your ping or the connection to your host

[peak wasp]

I run like 24

[dull flare]

which bombs do the most dmg?

[solemn crystal]

Nah i just build mega factory stages each floor, where it takes items from the bottom floor to make more stuff, but if a building is completey connected to the raw, its made in the dedicated floor, i can make an exception for like 1 or 2 materials, thats it

[solemn crystal]

Nuclear nobelisk

Gas nobelisk
And cluster nobelisk

[barren dove]

Then you need 450 water/min. Hope you have mutliple pipelines bc mk1 pipe can fit 300/min. Got a hunch that is the direction of the problem?)

[solemn crystal]

He was asking dude

[torn token]

I like that but it seems hard to do early on, also doing long belts or later trains is hard early on aswell

[solemn crystal]

Sulfur

[torn token]

Might you have a screenshot of your tower for me to understand

[dull flare]

what’s the pulse one used for? if it barely does dmg

[midnight ocean]

yeah but part of the cost is also steel pipes

[solemn crystal]

Knockback

[dull flare]

ye u need steel pipes

[solemn crystal]

Yea but sulfur mainly

[solemn crystal]

Ill ping you with it once i get it, im still not home yet

[dull flare]

although u can just unlock the recipe for steel pipes and then get the iron pipes alternate recipe from drives

so u don’t necessarily need steel

[midnight ocean]

at current rates the steel will take longer than the sulphur i need

[solemn crystal]

Black powder needs coal apparently

[midnight ocean]

when should i build mines for sulpher and quartz actually?

[solemn crystal]

Oh wait the smokeless powder for the bombs need heavy oil, bad news @midnight ocean , wait till tier 6

[midnight ocean]

can i not use nobelisk?

[solemn crystal]

Not till tier 6

[midnight ocean]

damn

[dull flare]

ye

[hollow halo]

I don’t think so..? None of my pipes are full..

[dull flare]

that’s for riffle ammo no?

[solemn crystal]

Might be

[barren dove]

Extractor fluid go 10m

[dull flare]

it is but it could also be for bombs

although the basic ones are just black powder and pipes

[solemn crystal]

Whats The prefix for wiki bot?

[scenic mirage]

how do i bring blueprints from one save to another?

[solemn crystal]

Prob SCIM

[dull flare]

go to the save folder #faq and copy over the blueprint folder from old save to new save

[midnight ocean]

steel pipes and black powder for regular nobelisk

[dull flare]

i think

[solemn crystal]

Ah

Just find some pipes near a crashed pod

[scenic mirage]

oh bet ill try

[dull flare]

u can also find nobelisks and black powder

[solemn crystal]

Even better

[peak wasp]

For my next play through, I'm gonna make a starter factory then a giga factory

[midnight ocean]

ive only found two so far and neither have any of that

[peak wasp]

Cuz I need the starter for the giga so I have enough resources

[dull flare]

drop pod in swamp on a cliff south of the waterfall has 2 cluster bombs

they’re pretty fun

[midnight ocean]

oh i hate swamp

[dull flare]

same

[peak wasp]

As a person with arachnophobia

[dull flare]

but it’s a good aluminuminum spot

[peak wasp]

Not even arachnophobia mode saves me

[midnight ocean]

i need to go back to set up quartz

[midnight ocean]

i dont even have arachnophobia and those things terrify me

[dull flare]

i think i’ll just integrate quartz into my aluminium setup

[midnight ocean]

this is the only game ive ever had to turn arachnophobia mode on for

[peak wasp]

No trust me, arachnophobia is worse than fear

[dull flare]

they’re annoying af

[midnight ocean]

oh yeah i get it i have a phobia of needles

[dull flare]

i go fly arround in swamp and see mercer sphere

[solemn crystal]

Passive mode:

[dull flare]

then i see 5 giant spiders

[peak wasp]

I still go into a panic

[dull flare]

how

[solemn crystal]

You can still see them from afar with the cat mode

[peak wasp]

I have a huge fear of spiders

[solemn crystal]

Arachnophobia mode

[dull flare]

if u turn off mobs there are no spiders

[peak wasp]

It doesn't help as I still know it's a spider

[dull flare]

shrimple

[peak wasp]

But my beloved DNA capsules

[dull flare]

doesn’t it also turn into a spider when it dies

[barren dove]

No the little kitty jpeg throws you off too?

[midnight ocean]

are there mods that can remove them entirely?

[peak wasp]

I still know it's a spider

[dull flare]

100% there are

[solemn crystal]

Man just pretend its a nice cat by turning on fucking passive mode

[peak wasp]

A phobia is harder to deal with than like that

[dull flare]

honestly i’ll do that just to nuke cats

[gusty temple]

There's a server setting that straight up removes spiders, fyi

[peak wasp]

If I see a small spider irl, I see it as 10x bigger than it actually is

[dull flare]

cuz nuking spiders is the avg day in australia

[peak wasp]

You have to use advanced mode and remove achievements

[solemn crystal]

[peak wasp]

And for my 100% achievement run isn't possible

[gusty temple]

Yeah
Your choice between panic attacks and achievements ig

[dull flare]

yooo i get that too

[barren dove]

Yeah then it is a problem.

[dull flare]

only when im high though

[peak wasp]

Hey, my gf finds it funny when I panic so I can suffer.

[barren dove]

I got that with clowns, at work i see my supervisor but i still know he's a clown 🤣

[tacit trellis]

Brub I've finally gotten my phase 2 shit cooking and jfc i've got a 5 story monstrosity making this shit

[peak wasp]

I'm slowly getting over my phobia of spiders due to satisfactory twt

Welp, I can't wait to start planning my showcase factory where I want to make 60/m of 4 complex items

I am taking suggestions for the 4 items I'll produce

(nothing too complicated like late game space elevator parts)

Mid/Early late max

[gusty temple]

Turbomotors ^^

[reef basin]

why not make what you need instead of asking random people how to play? 😛

[peak wasp]

Not asking how to play

It's for a showcase factory, all it is to go to sink

I don't care about points, just looks

I'm good at logistics but bad at layouts

So I wanna try make something that looks good

[shy mulch]

If you're not fussed about what you're producing and just want to focus 100% entirely on things that look good, then why not just pre-build all the stuff and have it running around on endless looped belts, and not actually produce anything at all in your showcase factory

[scenic mirage]

10 fused modular frames/min
10 supercomputers/min
10 nuke nobelisks/min
10 turbo motors/min

good luck 🙂

[dull flare]

nuclear pasta

[rancid flume]

how can i post my satisfactorytools.com link for people to have a look at my plan and review it?

can i just copy/paste the link or do i need to do somethign with the export file

[reef basin]

blue share button, top right

[rancid flume]

the "export selected tabs"?

[reef basin]

right, not left 🙂

[rancid flume]

oooh the far right

gotcha i didnt see those tabs mb

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7wKctFBqYAvNch0OPeEb

if ive done it right, this is my play for my first steel factory, + motors. are these respectable numbers in early game?

[true mulch]

what are you making stators for

[rancid flume]

got some alt recipes im using like solid steel ingots, steel rotors to make the motors easier

idk my friend requested that i make stators so i said sure

[reef basin]

don't listen to your friend 😄

make stators when you need them, not randomly

[true mulch]

well then ask your friend to explain what exactly the stators will be used for

because they aren't used for anything beside motors in the early game

[torn token]

@solemn crystal
Okay looks good
But iam basically at the start, so not an option currently 😂😂😂

[rancid flume]

then what should i use the extra 60 coal and iron that the stators would take for, whats more valuable betweent he other 4 stuff?

[true mulch]

more motors won't hurt

[rancid flume]

aight

[solemn crystal]

Ah alr

[true mulch]

you could make more EIB too, they're used for mk4 belts

for those, I recommend the encased industrial pipe recipe

[rancid flume]

i can try, i can only squeeze out an extra 30 limestone

[true mulch]

and since you have both copper and iron, you could get iron and copper alloy alts

[solemn crystal]

Yet its still WIP

Im not done with it, not even the walls

[rancid flume]

though... i do have the water concrete thing i believe, maybe i can find some water to pipe in

thatd net me a higher total to play around with right

[shy mulch]

easier to belt the limestone to the water, than to pipe the water to the limestone

[rancid flume]

true

but the limestime is like right next to the factorys planned location, tbf

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=AS0LcJjnaK1U5KjoCSJh i could change it to this, 3 extra motors and some more encased beams. keeps me at my 480iron/coal input

[true mulch]

looks good 👍

[rancid flume]

bet. ill keep this plan then

makes the smelt floor a little easier to manage with the less copper

[true mulch]

I'm making 45 beams, 60 pipes, 30 EIB, 10 motors and 10 rotors in my save

[rancid flume]

i dont quite remember my output for rotors

ill have to look, im making my rips, mod frames and stators all at the same place, but seperate to iron plates, rods and screws

rotors* sorry

im fairly happy i found steel rotors though cuz that makes the motors easier to manage

least imo

[true mulch]

yeah, I like it too

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=dKSJqqyoWzTCaqzGewBA
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=CZiechIjo7tije3vLU36
my plans, if you're interested

[rancid flume]

ill have to play aroudn with wether i want 3 extra motors, or 22.5 EIB

[true mulch]

you need more EIB in general I'd say

solely because of mk4 belts

although motors are used in a lot of buildings

[hollow halo]

I swear— it was only 12 am 15 mins ago

[rancid flume]

i can drop my motors to 10 and get 25 eib

[hollow halo]

Why is it 2 am? 🙏😔

[rancid flume]

or drop pipes from 60 to something lower

[true mulch]

nah, the numbers you have are alright

[true mulch]

first time? 😛

[rancid flume]

actually i think i will drop motors to 10, then i only need 8 constructors for both beams and pipes so i can streamline a floor a little

there we go so i got 10 rips, 5 mod frames, 10.667 rotors in my advanced iron factory

and i got a smaller one making 40 iron plates, 30 rods, 120 screws

[hollow halo]

First time I realized it

[rancid flume]

but thats from like first factory times

[hollow halo]

Gang I potentially have school tomorrow 😔🙏

[rancid flume]

im making a fair amoutn of concrete since i use it alot for building, i was gonna go bigger but idk if imma need to for a bit

60 wire, 30 cable, 30 copper sheets too

the r.fog 0 command is a blessing

[regal lantern]

Does anyone find loadbalancing more aesthetically pleasing than manifolds?

#screenshots message

Having sorted out all my loadbalancing properly now, fixing mistakes. It's much nicer to see the exact amount of things split perfectly

I might start changing my factory to not use manifolds

[peak wasp]

Yes I do

If done correctly

[regal lantern]

I just like seeing empty belts moving one resource at the exact rate

Coal and water in this case

[dense violet]

if you connect the manifolds right up against the machines you only ever see moving belts

[regal lantern]

I've got some like that, just doesn't seem as pleasing to me. Maybe it's all the maths of using basic splitters to get perfect numbers on a loadbalancer

My example is somewhat cheating too since I go from 1200 to 37.5, so just setting up 6 stages of halving

[gusty temple]

I like both but I really like how compact manifolds can get

[regal lantern]

A good compact setup can be pleasing too

[willow dawn]

Hi all

[gusty temple]

Yeah the minigame for me is making a 2d factory as compact as possible, while avoiding using height as much as possible

The more it looks like a CPU the better

[regal lantern]

I've just moved away from them considering the size of my sky platform and not really having a limit on space. I'm moving towards large sprawling loadbalancers and a big 2d factory

CPU looking is amazing, I've done that by accident somewhat

[gusty temple]

I've got few screenshots since I've just restarted a game and it's moving slow, but it's a pleasure to make imo

[willow dawn]

I am looking to build my first nuclear powerplant and am scouting out locations. Was thinkign about making it near the lake thats on the edge of western Dune forest and the bamboo forest cause it has both uranium and nitro nearby but for the live of me... I can't find the uranium node...

Is it hidden in a cave somewhere?

[rancid flume]

personally like manifolds more tbh

i like wathing it gradually grow

[gusty temple]

Same, though it can be annoyingly slow before you actually get good belts

[atomic notch]

Theres a node on the mountain in the western desert

[willow dawn]

I'll post a ss to show which one I mean

[regal lantern]

It's behind a waterfall if it's the one I'm thinking of

[willow dawn]

Behind the waterfall... let me see if I can find that

There doesn't seem to be a waterfall, at least not on the side of the eastern dune forest

[regal lantern]

Oh, wrong one

It is in a cave though

[willow dawn]

Any hint to where the entrance is? I have been buzing all around for almost an hour now and starting to get frustrated lol

[regal lantern]

Replied with my hint

[reef basin]

you know you can ask in #1038092680493801533

[willow dawn]

Thank you!

[reef basin]

#screenshots isn't really for this kind of conversation

[regal lantern]

If you want a further hint, ||north||

[barren dove]

I think, if you click the node, on that website it will tell the hight on the map.

There is also a maplayer showing caves. That might hint where the entrance is ❤️

[willow dawn]

Ooh I didn't realize there was a maplayer for it too! Thanks. I think I found the cave now. Thanks for your help JetStar and Nickito

[regal lantern]

No worries, crossing the map to find it gave me an idea for my next project - putting cannons everywhere so I can traverse the world faster in future lol

[willow dawn]

Ooh yeah I have started to do that too... makes my live a LOT easier

And makes me not as much bound to my starting area and the logisitcs I already have in place

[barren dove]

Small hyperloop canon blueprint.

Then you only need power (can add a biomass burner in other blueprint too)

[regal lantern]

i don't think I'd add a burner to it, probably just make pairs of cannons; one on the ground to punt me up to the sky platform and one in the sky to punt me to a central cannon location.

And then have a way of running power down to the floor cannon

[willow dawn]

Does anybody get stuck right before starting a new project with all the decisions you have to make based on location? I love this game but that is the part I struggle with the most

[regal lantern]

That's what I've setup in places where I have some things, I just got lazy with it since everything I did was nearby something else recently (last 200 hours recently...) or ionised fuel lets me glide for distances and I'm close enough

Only time I've struggled with locations is where to stick all my nukes and where I want to pull water from. Every other decision is easy - onto a belt to the factory in the middle

[barren dove]

Yep from time to time.

Not so much stuck in what to do. But more in where to do it. What to build and what to transport from somewhere else.

Spent 2 days this week brainstorming on my current build 😆

[willow dawn]

Ugh I feel ya

[barren dove]

What are you building? ^_^

[willow dawn]

I just finished phase 4 so I decided to build a nuclear power plant before moving on to the next level items

Will need more power for it eventhough I am fine on power now

[barren dove]

Hence the uranium haha ok

[willow dawn]

Yeah and the nitrogen 😛

Was al set to start building in the desert and just flying the uranium in but than I remembered I need the nitrogen and didn't want to run a 4k pipeline 😛

So back to the drawing board 😛

[barren dove]

Can fly the nitrogen in too 😆

[willow dawn]

Would have to package it and then unpackage it which seems so silly

[barren dove]

Nah as long as it is a closed loop its not much work.

[willow dawn]

You forget the plastic, which I would also need to fly in 😛

All of which made me decide it was probably smarter to find a spot that has water and nitro close together and it also happened to have uranium nearby

[barren dove]

Thats a one time filling a container xD

But there are many good spots with less hassle! True true

[willow dawn]

Ooh you're right, you mean send the canisters back after emptying them...

[barren dove]

Yes ^_^

[willow dawn]

Dang now you make me question my plans again 😛

[barren dove]

Hahahaha you're welcome 🤣 🤣

[willow dawn]

I've been flipflopping for days

I do like this spot for a little power plant though...

That cave is DEEP though, dang

[regal lantern]

Having spent hours building close loops for packaging/unpackaging, would not recommend

Granted mine are probably way more complex and insane than yours would be, would still not recommend lol

[covert vault]

working towards building 128 blenders, 68 of which will be doing doing diluted fuel....

[unkempt blade]

are you sure that's enough? maybe you should double up now to save time later

[covert vault]

None of the fuel recipes use a huge amount of solid objects, so it's plenty.

derp

[unkempt blade]

but just think of how much more extra power you could have

[covert vault]

nm me

[covert vault]

You mean more than the 450GW I'm already generating?

[regal lantern]

More power!

[willow dawn]

Ok, I won't go that route 😛

[unkempt blade]

indeed

[covert vault]

that way lies madness.

[midnight ocean]

does anyone know how many nobelisks are needed to kill an alpha hog?

[covert vault]

1... nuclear nobelisk.

[willow dawn]

Welcome to Satisfactory, this is madness

[unkempt blade]

you should also transport all your materials using factory carts to make your factory more efficient

[willow dawn]

Highly efficient madness but madness none the less

[unkempt blade]

but don't worry all the truck stops and packagers and unpackagers for that diluted fuel will make your build look a lot more impressive

[unkempt blade]

you should be nice to nature, that hog was just minding its own business when you invaded its natural habitat

[midnight ocean]

that hog can chew on my IED

[limpid cairn]

Guys

Do i craft the cheaper Plutonium rod recipe or the normal one

[unkempt blade]

roll a dice and let fate decide

[hard ivy]

depends how many plutonium rods you want?

[limpid cairn]

This is an absolute great idea

[limpid cairn]

as many as possible

[hard ivy]

then you want the alt

[regal lantern]

I really should redo my nuke setup to use alt recipes

I did it entirely with basic ones

[unkempt blade]

just make a second one with different recipes

[regal lantern]

And aim for the max power generation from all the uranium

[hard ivy]

for everything or just the nuclear stuff?

[regal lantern]

Entire setup

[hard ivy]

ouch

[regal lantern]

So everything required for 2700 uranium/m to ficsonium fuel rods

Or however much is available

Was interesting to do without alts tbh

I will probably just build another setup on a platform and move the resources over when I can, assuming I can suffer running more stuff cross map on massive belts

[unkempt blade]

make sure you use lots of factory carts with it so you don't have to do a third build later

the only important min/maxing is cartmaxing after all

[willow dawn]

That does sound like suffering haha

[unkempt blade]

it depends if you're using painful, tedious conveyors or a good logistical solution like factory carts or maybe trains

[willow dawn]

They did mention massive belts 😛

[peak wasp]

what is a factory cart

[unkempt blade]

the best vehicle in the game that you unlock in the awesome shop

[atomic notch]

Truck with 1 inv slot

[latent prawn]

!wikisearch factory cart

grr

[unkempt blade]

and no fuel cost and S-tier cuteness - it really has it all

[atomic notch]

Ikr

[willow dawn]

I'm pretty sure I have never used one for anything lol

[peak wasp]

i just used them to get rid of uranium

[willow dawn]

Not even sure if I build it

[atomic notch]

Do it lol. Having carts moving is so funny

[true mulch]

<@&387163995947270144> is something being done about the bot being down?

[latent prawn]

i wish they had gotten the cart back to its pre-engine upgrade handling

[true mulch]

the tractor steers much better and the explorer steers much worse

[worldly pelican]

Yes

[obsidian zodiac]

working on it 👍

[willow dawn]

get rid how?

[unkempt blade]

you should build a skatepark for them and give it a shot, they're fun

[woven sail]

[peak wasp]

void

[true mulch]

Simon ate the server

[willow dawn]

You drive them off the map? haha

[midnight ocean]

i hate water

[latent prawn]

really poor idea to do that, however, vehicles bouncing around in the void eat ups

[willow dawn]

Why not just make plutonium rod and sink them?

[unkempt blade]

yeah but do any of us really have the time or energy to dispose of extra limestone responsibly?

[leaden turret]

Simon left the company

[willow dawn]

Get rid of waste and get points, double whammy

[true mulch]

Bot is not company owned

[willow dawn]

You mean... you don't want to sink it?

[unkempt blade]

ahh so in the age old tradition of blaming the guy who isn't there anymore we're handling this appropriately!

[unkempt blade]

that sounds like a lot of work, I'd rather just load it up one stack at a time into factory carts and drive those carts off a big jump into the hole in the middle of the map while I yell "Yeah! Extreme carting!"

[limpid cairn]

Are people using the fissle uranium alt btw?

That uses uranium too instead of just waste

• is it worth using?

[dense violet]

fiddle? oh for plutonium rods

well it gets you more plutonium rods at the cost of reducing your max uranium rods

is this 'good' for you? then use it

[hard ivy]

I'd generally consider it "bad"

[limpid cairn]

[dense violet]

most people don't tend to max plutonium rods though

[hard ivy]

the uranium is ususally better spent on more uranium rods. it gives more power than fertile uranium

[reef basin]

worth depends on your preferences

[dense violet]

always look at teh effects of a recipe to decide when it might be good for you

[unkempt blade]

it's just not a very efficient use of time when you could be cartmaxing instead

[hard ivy]

unless you consider uranium to be free and infinite, then it does give you more power ig

[dense violet]

some people have different priorities shrug

[unkempt blade]

those poor misguided souls 🙁

the good news is you just have to accept factory carts into your heart and all previous logistical sins will be forgiven

[peak wasp]

Fr

Factory carts are op and need a nerf

[inland ridge]

Yo quick question, has anyone set up the max possible amount of nuclear reactors on their world yet?

[peak wasp]

I've done it before

[leaden turret]

I'm sure @unkempt blade would love a foam gun

[versed mesa]

👋

[peak wasp]

I did a power maxing world

[regal lantern]

My whole setup is just running belts up and along in the sky

[peak wasp]

All my coal went to power

All my oil went to power

[regal lantern]

So it's normal, just suffering to create more

[dense violet]

probably

[peak wasp]

Nothing was safe from me

[dense violet]

absolutely have if you don't include dumb ficsonium

[hard ivy]

I did twice in past versions, but it has gotten much harder in 1.0

[peak wasp]

To power max you need it

[inland ridge]

oh cool because using blue prints i am about to attempt it my self.

[dense violet]

max power is actually rocket fuel , not uranium

[peak wasp]

Goodluck

[versed mesa]

Almost close to completing phase 3 now just came off to sleep so tired lol

[dense violet]

and is equaly dumb as ficsonium

[peak wasp]

All if the above

[inland ridge]

then try go all the way to ficsonium fuel rods for no byproduct lol

[hard ivy]

it's both

[versed mesa]

Where's the oil generator lol

[regal lantern]

Or make your uranium waste into plutonium fuel rods and send them to the shadow realm

[dense violet]

feed p rods to drones

[hard ivy]

there's 0 ficsonium in max power builds fyi. even waste-free ones

[inland ridge]

really?

[regal lantern]

I'd still suggest doing ficsonium for people who wanna do a nuclear setup, it's fun suffering

[willow dawn]

I was actually considering this how many drones do you think I could power with the waste from about 6 nuclear plants?

[peak wasp]

Convenient power isn't max power

Ficsonium is useless

[hard ivy]

ficsonium isn't even convenient lmao

[peak wasp]

Exactly

[dense violet]

well 1 p rod pm is about the same as 250 batteries pm

[willow dawn]

I would generate 0.3 plutonium fuel rods p/m

[dense violet]

so a few

[peak wasp]

Maxing and meta are different

You don't need max power as it's useless

[willow dawn]

Not even making batteries yet so I assume thats a lot lol

[peak wasp]

I just did it cuz I like to work with water pipes

There should be an alt gamemode where there is a limited amount of resources

[hard ivy]

per minute is /min, not p/m

[peak wasp]

Except no matter what there is no way to complete the game

As all you need is one more piece of iron ore

[willow dawn]

ok... means the same for me but sure

[regal lantern]

Alright there Satan

No need to make the masses suffer that much

[peak wasp]

You spend hundreds of hours working away

[inland ridge]

😂

[peak wasp]

Just to realise it was inevitable

That would be peak

[willow dawn]

Don't you finish the game by just making all the elevator parts or am I missing something?

[peak wasp]

Yeah

[regal lantern]

Yes, you do everything the Space Elevator Gods demand of you

ALL GLORY TO THE SPACE ELEVATOR

[peak wasp]

Well

The game is complete when you say it is

I completed the space elevator but I was bored so I went power maxing

[gusty temple]

The elevator is the "you won" screen, but there's no reason you can't build far more if you're having fun

[willow dawn]

I wouldn't want to dissapoint ADA.... she gets snarky

[regal lantern]

ADA is the mere mouthpiece of the SPACE ELEVATOR GODS

[inland ridge]

why does ficsonium burn so quick for its heavy resource cost?

[willow dawn]

Sounds like post game to me 😛

[peak wasp]

Cuz silly

[crystal lynx]

Hello pioneer

[hard ivy]

idk, ask the devs

[gusty temple]

Isn't it the slowest burning nuclear fuel ?

[inland ridge]

nope

[spice patio]

Because it isn't meant to really give power, just get rid of Plutonium Waste.

[regal lantern]

I started doing dumb stuff like removing any movement of fluids (as much as possible anyway) and consolidating all my production to a single factory

[hard ivy]

they didn't answer when I asked tho

[regal lantern]

And then scaling up anything existing to the max possible

[gusty temple]

Oh yeah I switched numbers, my bad

[willow dawn]

What do you mean removing movement of fluids

[inland ridge]

yeah it definitely looks that way...

[peak wasp]

There should be a gamemode where you can't use any machines at all and you have to hand craft EVERYTHING

[true mulch]

presumably the goal isn't to make power via ficsonium directly, but be able to burn plutonium rods without having permanent waste

[peak wasp]

No autominers either

[true mulch]

can't progress past tier 4 due to fluids

[peak wasp]

Mouth

Cupped hands

You can only hold very little

[regal lantern]

100% of my pipes go to/from packagers. Actual fluids getting to buildings that process them is done on belts

[peak wasp]

And it depreciates over time

[outer scarab]

its almost like tiers are there to make you learn how to build

[peak wasp]

Fluid trains need a buff ong

[willow dawn]

Why would you do something so silly? haha

[regal lantern]

I just hate fluids

And it's lead to some strange pipes where they have more throughput than the sum of the inputs somehow

[inland ridge]

just package?

[regal lantern]

The output matches the input, the flow rate is higher than theoretically possible though

[hard ivy]

I'm gonna do the same for my nuke plant. because prioritising fluids sux. so I'll just use prio splitters/mergers lol

[peak wasp]

I CBA with all that, just increase the amount of liquid that can fit

(that's what she said)

[inland ridge]

fair enough

[willow dawn]

Funny thing, working with fluids actually teach me to be ok with ''good enough'' instead of ''100% perfect''

[peak wasp]

My fluids are always perfect

[willow dawn]

Good lesson to learn in live, don't let perfection stand in the way of good enough

[regal lantern]

Other than hating fluids, it's just to move everything closer to one mega factory. In the past, I did refineries and other oil processing right near where oil is, aluminium was between water and bauxite. This way, I move packaged oil to my mega factory and have my refineries there. Bauxite and packaged water for aluminium and so on

It's also so I have an excuse to try and package up the ocean while moving around lots of plastic containers

The anti-environmental factory setup

[peak wasp]

For my giga factory

I'm gonna split it up into each major resource

So there will be a single super highway of oil

[regal lantern]

That's what I have

[willow dawn]

At least I am assuming you are recycling the packages

[regal lantern]

A massive 8 belts of packaged oil moving cross map

[peak wasp]

No pipes

Pipes are easier imo

[gusty temple]

Why not just use pipes into a train ?

[peak wasp]

Also look better

[peak wasp]

Liquid trains are ass

[inland ridge]

packaging allows you to move more on the trains.

[dense violet]

it's really no effort

[peak wasp]

They are still ass

[regal lantern]

For now, they exist in a big loop. I don't know when the madness will take me deep enough to have enough plastic production to make the 153600 containers per minuite I'd need

[peak wasp]

It's easier to create a highway

[gusty temple]

It's a lot more effort with a consumption of plastic for no real reason

[dense violet]

put a proper buffer on both ends and it's exactly the same as solids

[hard ivy]

just reuse them lol

[regal lantern]

I do reuse them in a janky loop

[peak wasp]

You need a lot more carriages

[regal lantern]

Rather than a bunch of small loops, they exist in one big loop

[dense violet]

about the same since yo udon't need to return the empties

[inland ridge]

the containers can be reused infinity

its a long term investment

[regal lantern]

Having a oneway setup creating and sinking containers could be interesting though

[hard ivy]

yeah, packaging gives up to 2x more throughput

[gusty temple]

Then you need to have a plan for making them go one way and the other
Just not worth the effort compared to just more trains

[peak wasp]

You need 8 carriages for all the oil

That's actually not bad ngl

I might do that in my next play through

A big ass oil train

[versed mesa]

Earlier I set up my first zipline the the power towers are just fir the time being and ill do rework with them

[inland ridge]

thats fair for smaller factories, but it starts to look more appealing to set up as the mega factories grow and get more resource hungry, well it did for me.

[versed mesa]

Pachaged heavy oil

[peak wasp]

I CBA packaging it

[grim ermine]

Packaging is pointless

[peak wasp]

That's an extra trainline

Also it's crude oil

[versed mesa]

The machine packer

[peak wasp]

How do you package it

How do you get the packaging back to the oil

[grim ermine]

With a packager...

[peak wasp]

More train lines

[versed mesa]

By using the packaging machine

[peak wasp]

But if I have all my machine inside a giga factory

No externals at all

Except for miners/transport obviously

[versed mesa]

Not sure if I understand properly lol

[peak wasp]

Id be packaging it inside the giga factory to transport it to the giga factory

[inland ridge]

why not just put a carriage on the train just for package transport?

[grim ermine]

Just pipe it instead of trains 🟨

[peak wasp]

That's what I've done in the past

[grim ermine]

Thats the best idea?

[peak wasp]

A map wide pipeline collecting all the oil

[grim ermine]

No

[versed mesa]

Make the train into snowpiercer

[grim ermine]

Thats bad

[peak wasp]

It worked

My pc didn't die

[grim ermine]

Ofc it'll work but there is easier ways to do it?

[peak wasp]

It looked cool

[grim ermine]

It definitely would

[peak wasp]

Twas pre 1.0 btw

[inland ridge]

"pipe world!"

[peak wasp]

Back ye old days

[grim ermine]

If your collecting all oil in the world then trains are the easiest way

[outer scarab]

I acutally did all oil piped into the desert once

[unkempt blade]

and all through the hub not a vehicle was stirring not even a cart

[outer scarab]

its not that bad

[versed mesa]

Ive got pachaged oil and water and pachaged fuel also

[grim ermine]

Package oil
Put oil package on trains
Train goes to destination
Packaged oil is taken off train
Oil is then unpackaged

[outer scarab]

package water > sink > free money

[grim ermine]

Can you package water????

[regal lantern]

Yeah

[grim ermine]

Ive never tried that lol

[versed mesa]

Is it not used fir anything ?

[unkempt blade]

it works for Nestle so we know it's a viable business plan

[grim ermine]

Its just a waste of plastic

[outer scarab]

it use to be how you made rocket fuel

[regal lantern]

Just loop the containers

One investment of plastic, endless packaged water

[hard ivy]

you need packaged water for DPF

[regal lantern]

Unless you sink it all

[grim ermine]

DPF?

[hard ivy]

diluted packaged fuel

[outer scarab]

Deep Pen... oh

[grim ermine]

Ive never made that

[outer scarab]

you dont need to

it was how people avoided nuclear

[hard ivy]

the best recipe for fuel before blenders

[grim ermine]

Fair enough

[versed mesa]

What machine unpachage things then

[hard ivy]

packager

[gusty temple]

It's the same machine, just a different recipe

[grim ermine]

The packager

[versed mesa]

Damn i did not know

[unkempt blade]

don't sleep on compacted coal, it's the best one for sure

[inland ridge]

most packaged goods stack size is 100 yes?

[grim ermine]

Biofuel >>>

[versed mesa]

What is polymer used for ?

[grim ermine]

Plastic or rubber it think

[hard ivy]

plastic, rubber, fabric

[versed mesa]

Or

[grim ermine]

Or

[versed mesa]

Thats cool

[gusty temple]

You turn it into the "solid" parts of oil production, it means you don't have to compromise between power and production

[versed mesa]

I did not know that

[midnight ocean]

is there any use for the poison mound things later or should i just blow them up?

[regal lantern]

Destroy them all

[gusty temple]

The big rocks with holes ?

[spark oracle]

Blow em up

[grim ermine]

They are really good for blowing up so save them for that

[gusty temple]

Yeah they're just annoying

[midnight ocean]

sick ill put the nobelisk to use then

[grim ermine]

You do need them for space elevator phase 5 so dont destroy all of them ❤️

[midnight ocean]

thanks for letting me know i was about to go find more

[willow dawn]

You need the poison mound things for blowing up? Why?

[hard ivy]

you don't

[grim ermine]

They are useless

[willow dawn]

But you said you needed them for phase 5...

Or was that about something else?

[grim ermine]

I was joking. I apologise for any confusion i may have caused

[willow dawn]

Ahh ok

[frail sleet]

You can actually have a train with a set number of carts, say 4 carts, take 4x32 packaged water to a station. Then drive a few meters, pick up 4x32 empty packages from another station, and loop back around (all carts basically always being full).

There's a delay for the extra dockings, but less than otherwise. It should move more stuff than fluid carts, even with uncompressable stuff

[grim ermine]

That is true

Are lizard doggos suitable for uranium waste storage

[outer scarab]

or just have 2 trains 😛

[frail sleet]

The point is optimising for throughput, 2 trains or a 2x length train takes twice as much time on the main track.

[outer scarab]

have 2 tracks

[frail sleet]

Yes you can just double your entire train network

or you can build smarter and not do that

[outer scarab]

or you can use belts 😛

[grim ermine]

Why have two over one....

[outer scarab]

so they dont crash

using the same line for two way travel is a good way to never be able to expand

[frail sleet]

By network i was referring to one with paths both ways ofc

[inland ridge]

well that may be counteracted by the quick unload with mk6 belts so you can have more trains on the same line, because the stations empty out 2 times quickler then mk2 pipes.

[frail sleet]

there is a limited amount of throughput that you can put on it before trains are backing each other up

[frail sleet]

loading/unloading is not done on the main train line, it's massively more optimal to fork the track into a side station for docking so that you don't block the whole track for 27s.

Load/unload time is also not affected by belt rank, it's a flat 27.08s for the train dock and then buffers handle the rest

[midnight ocean]

finally got SAM

only took 12 hours in game

[inland ridge]

yes but you can still have more frequent trains stop at that same station and do a complete unload instead for a partial unload. Sorry I'm referring to station drain time.

[frail sleet]

with "depart when full" you can always do complete loads/unloads

[inland ridge]

noice

[midnight ocean]

which tier 4 should i go for first btw?

[gusty temple]

First things first, if you just got sam, set up a refined sam production and start working on getting all the stuff you produce into the pocket dimension

(you don't need much refined sam and it sinks for decently good numbers so it's a good early game way to turn electricity into coupons, fwiw)

[midnight ocean]

ok cool ill get that set up

[upper gale]

Faster belt

[gusty temple]

That too yeah

But I'd focus on the pocket dimension for QoL

[midnight ocean]

only one of my conveyors is set up to mk2

[inland ridge]

yeah that's always an option. i was just trying to point out that there is an avenue to min max if you need more trains on the same station, but you can just add more stations i guess.

[gusty temple]

Once you start putting the conveyor belt ressources in the cloud, building new production chains is WAY more comfortable imo
Genuinely the best feature they've ever added

[inland ridge]

it works well with blueprints!

[sterile needle]

Hello there

[midnight ocean]

is it the dimensional depot i want to research?

[gusty temple]

Yep

I'd recommend going on a hunting spree for spheres at some point

[midnight ocean]

i have 4 laying around in my inventory currently

[gusty temple]

That's enough for a start but the full upgrade tree takes a bit under 100 x)
Not counting yk actually using the spheres

[midnight ocean]

so i just put stuff into the dimensional depot and its like a second inventory?

[gusty temple]

Pretty much yeah
The comfortable thing is that if you include it in your production chain, it'll automatically re-fill when you take stuff out so it means you have infinite conveyor belt material in your inventory, for exemple

[hard ivy]

it's better. it can auto-refill

[midnight ocean]

should i use it along side regular containers

[true mulch]

you want to buffer your stuff

[gusty temple]

Your choice according to what you find comfortable, but usually yes
The container acts as a buffer + it's there in case you need a LOT of stuff

[true mulch]

often you'll use a lot in a short period of time and then nothing for a while

so ISC -> depot

[hard ivy]

production -> container -> depot. so the depot refills at belt speed, not production speed (at least until the container runs out)

[upper gale]

Depot right on top of the storage container. Connect them with a conveyor lift

[gusty temple]

My usual strat is to stack the depot on top of a double container, and link one of the container outputs to the depot

[solemn crystal]

heres my idea
if its something you always use, like alcad sheets for mk5 belts, then put the DD alongside a storage but split it from your main line of production, or make its own constructor
if its something niche, that you use once in a while, for example motors, buffer it

[hard ivy]

why not always buffer it?

[solemn crystal]

depends on ur item per minute

[true mulch]

I don't really understand that

every factory makes stuff for storage and that storage gets connected to a depot

[solemn crystal]

and if its buffered with more item per minute than the things using it, it will eventually overflow, decreasing its efficency, and making everything behind it also turn off, also decreasing efficency

[gusty temple]

I just replace conveyor belts with the container+depot anywhere that fits, having a buffer is healthy in general

[midnight ocean]

is it worth waiting until i have the double storage containers unlocked to set it up then since ill have to redo my storage area?

[limpid cairn]

How do we tell you

[hard ivy]

I do not have any production that isn't for depot (or power)

[unkempt blade]

I'm confused, where are the factory carts in all of this?

[solemn crystal]

if you REALLY want to use a buffer(for depots), use a smart splitter to cut off any overflowing items, and sink them, so you dont lose efficency

[gusty temple]

Yeah, I do that anyways

Buffers just make tinkering with a factory more convenient

Cause you can for exemple cut the raw ore input for ages without actually hurting production

[solemn crystal]

depends on how much is beign used, and how much is store

[sterile needle]

Any thoughts on sushi belts trains and trucks?

[solemn crystal]

also raw and ore dont go in the same sentence, ore is the raw form of ingots

[hard ivy]

a nightmare not worth the effort

[solemn crystal]

thats like saying coffee coffee

[gusty temple]

Yeah ik
Dw you don't need to explain "numbers can be different" to people x)

[sterile needle]

its kinda most of what i do

[gusty temple]

nope
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/raw-ore

[solemn crystal]

hes asking the right questions

[solemn crystal]

yea but game dont say "raw iron ore"

just say ore and save some time

[hard ivy]

it does say raw quartz

[solemn crystal]

because quartz aint an ore

[gusty temple]

I'm gonna correct you every time you say a word differently from the game from now on x)

[solemn crystal]

:thonk:

[gusty temple]

*raw quartz

[solemn crystal]

aw i cant use my emoji

[unkempt blade]

wait until you hear about my nitrogen ore extractor

[solemn crystal]

thats a gas

[upper gale]

Any kinda sushi is easy so long as the production /m is low for each item on it

[unkempt blade]

totally, a gas ore

[gusty temple]

*fluid

[solemn crystal]

im talking about quartz irl

[inland ridge]

*raw gas

[solemn crystal]

HOW IS IT A FLUID, NITROGEN GAS 🤦‍♂️

[unkempt blade]

when you mix it with water it's a fluid

[gusty temple]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Fluids

[hard ivy]

it's both a fluid and a gas. it's not a liquid tho

[upper gale]

So it's a gluid

[gusty temple]

(I know, I'm taking the piss after he started complaining about me saying raw ore lmao)
Though the game does only call those fluids, not gaz

[solemn crystal]

its a fluid, but its a gas, im still correct