satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

building directly on terrain makes it very difficult to line things up and organize in general

a slab of foundations is like the bare minimum

[versed mesa]

Yeah i am seeing that so maybe now is the time to start using foundation

[fluid sapphire]

definitely

[versed mesa]

Ok sweet ill start that then when I redo oil rig

I mite just build foundery on top of the water

[fluid sapphire]

imagine trying to organize without foundations
#screenshots message

[versed mesa]

Yeah i see

My main first spot has zero foundation part from i created a box for a pet lol

I got that idea on YouTube

[fluid sapphire]

its all good, i remember the spaghetti soup i started out with

[versed mesa]

Lmao

@fluid sapphire how i got mine at the moment i think ive done not to bad its looking Lot like factory grounds lol

And then i got one lot of pipes coming down from one part of the map from small pond

[valid sigil]

I’ve had satisfactory for a few years, but for the first time I’ve completed phase 2 of the space elevator

All it took was discovering manifolds instead of load balancing absolutely every single item

[fluid sapphire]

i dont think the red and orange need to be separate blocks

yeah, you definitely do not need signals on both sides

i would reduce the amount of signals a bit, would do something like this, should work well enough #screenshots message

[late tartan]

Does the anniversary event do anything besides be a visual thing?

[cunning siren]

720 Aluminum Sheets / min... done, whew

[gusty temple]

Yes
A sound thing too 💔

[late tartan]

Anything mechanic wise like items or something?

[leaden turret]

not as large-scale as ficsmas, methinx

[late tartan]

Ok. Imma disable events then. It is kinda annoying and distracting for me.

[fluid sapphire]

i havent even been in the hub for a month xd

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac request for seasonal birthday cake recipe if/when y'all add a native farming feature

[fierce flicker]

hi is satisfactroy worth playing?

[leaden turret]

yes

[gusty temple]

The people on a satisfactory discord server will probably agree that yes x)
But it's a fun game, especially with friends

[obsidian zodiac]

heres my completely unbiased take: ya

[fluid sapphire]

definitely wont get biased answers here, no sir

[pastel carbon]

Asking the discord of a game if a game is worth playing will generally get you one answer

[fierce flicker]

aw... i cant play

[leaden turret]

is kingdom hearts worth playing?

[fierce flicker]

maybe

[obsidian zodiac]

my completely unbiased take: no tetsuya nomura is a punk whos been leading me on for the better part of 2 decades

[limpid cairn]

guys css hq is located in Sweden right ?

[gray garnet]

Hello how do i (epic) crossplay with my friend (steam)?

[limpid cairn]

There’s a way to switch to epic servers on steam version

It’s under multiplayer pretty sure

[leaden turret]

November 5th, 2024 Livestream
Q&A: Is there a possibility of an office tour?
https://youtu.be/32wuRDE7F28

we've actually had a couple of times where people just show up at the office and just like knock on the door, don't do that okay first and foremost it's it's very disruptive for everyone involved, and and also like it takes a lot of time from us this essentially CU a lot of people do it, so please stop doing that

[limpid cairn]

No way actually appear at the door

[leaden turret]

it's visible on street view so not exactly hard for weird people to find 😛

[limpid cairn]

I know where to go for my refinery buff now 😛

(Just kidding)

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac street view photos last updated April 2024, any chance you can make a mental note to hide satis plushies the next time the google car goes through?

[limpid cairn]

What if Jason puts any EA sings up so people think it’s ea and don’t ever get close to the office 🤔

[obsidian zodiac]

we had someone stop by last month with their mom, it was okay but definitely dont want it to be a regular occurrence 😂

[leaden turret]

local government has installed a goat sim-branded utility box outside (although that box was there before they moved in, iirc)

[gray garnet]

Thanks for the quick help. He switched to epic servers now and has an epic serverID. I still cant connect 🙁

[obsidian zodiac]

if i figure out theyre coming early enough i will do something epicc

[hexed phoenix]

Possibly

[limpid cairn]

Getting all css members together outside holding up a sign that is saying ,,please dont appear at the office - css“?

[hexed phoenix]

Its 50/50

Either it is, or it isnt.

[limpid cairn]

If you enjoy factory games it’s really good

[obsidian zodiac]

this sounds like it would have the opposite effect but i get where your heads at. maybe mikael and i will fist fight outside instead so everyone knows its a real dangerous part of town

[hexed phoenix]

AI generate all CSS folks into Brainrots.. Print it on 10x10 meter banner, put it up..

Wait for Google Street View car to take a picture..

Win the Internet.

[cursive totem]

Is it known that output pipes have some issue? I was building a turbo fuel refinery and I had to use three pipes that merge later even though it should produce a clean 600 liquid into a single pipe. But when doing it in one, it always dropped flow rate randomly

[limpid cairn]

Im not a fluid expert but a lot of people told me it’s hard to maintain a 600 flow rate

[gray garnet]

also tried connecting via IP

[fluid sapphire]

suggesting making a thread in #1038092680493801533 and providing more info

[leaden turret]

if having difficulty with flow rate, speak to your urologist or plumber as needed.

[limpid cairn]

Maybe open a thread in #1038092680493801533 and pray that someone helps you there

[cursive totem]

Hm yeah maybe it's that. Thing is I still merge them just later, and that seems to somehow fix it? Fluids are weird

[leaden turret]

no aigen needed, they're creative enough trolls already

[limpid cairn]

Indeed fluids are weird

Apparently you should stick to t1 pipes since t2 pipes are buggy

Game doesn’t like 600 flow rate for some reason

[cursive totem]

Huh ok

[dense violet]

They are not buggy, people can’t be bothered learning a few basic ideas

[cursive totem]

I have the guide, but it doesn't seem to address this

[leaden turret]

pipes not buggy, has no wheels

[dense violet]

Make a qna post with over head images of die you’re feeding your fluids into the machines

[cursive totem]

Aight will do

[mellow dock]

hello tiny question can powerpoles auto connect with blueprints ?

[cursive totem]

I do want to actually learn this. The guide is already helping super much but some details are still iffy

[limpid cairn]

Did you read the plumber manual?

It’s helpful

[cursive totem]

Yeah

But I don't see the error in my setup despite it being super helpful in general

[limpid cairn]

Quick question, how do you setup a VIP pipe

[leaden turret]

the crux of the issue seems to be insufficient in-game feedback

[cursive totem]

Do you mean the priority on junctions?

[dense violet]

Oh sure

[limpid cairn]

Yes

[cursive totem]

Top one has prio right?

[dense violet]

In general? You don’t . They’re basically an exploit and fiddly to set up sometimes

[limpid cairn]

No

Lowest pipe has priority

It’s in the plumber manual on page 16 (lesson 11)

[cursive totem]

Ah well. More reading then haha

[unkempt blade]

it's too bad the guide never tells you about the magic of the cartifold to replace complicated pipe setups

[leaden turret]

make a satiral cart manual

[limpid cairn]

You’ll need it someday, do you have alumina set up already?

[unkempt blade]

good idea, it could be my greatest legacy

[limpid cairn]

also when I’m feeding my water byproduct back into my system the refineries shouldn’t hit 50 water inside right ?

[dense violet]

Generally no.

Having issues direct feed waste water I take it?

[cursive totem]

Oh no we're just now finishing up phase 3. This was for a big turbo fuel power plant

[dense violet]

You really don’t need vips for bauxite

[cursive totem]

One full 600 pipe of turbofuel

[hard ivy]

Which refineries? The alumina refineries can be at 50 water. The scrap will never get to 50, because they'll stop running at 48.1/43.1 (depending on whether you're using default or sloppy)

[oak sorrel]

how much heavy modular frames per min should i make ?

[reef basin]

however many you need at this moment

[limpid cairn]

I completed phase 3 with 6 per minute lol

[oak sorrel]

idk how much do i need this is why im asking

[shy mulch]

somewhere between 2 and 50 is usually best

[reef basin]

then don't make them until you know

no reason to make a guess

[oak sorrel]

why not guessing is the best

[limpid cairn]

(You need them to complete phase 3)

[reef basin]

I'm aware 🤷

[oak sorrel]

like how do you even calculate how much heavy modular frames u need?

[shy mulch]

if you don't know how many you need, then the answer is zero
when you have a need for them, you'll know

[limpid cairn]

Not good if you end up with 500 extra hmf p/m

[limpid cairn]

You take the resources you have nearby and throw them into the satisfactory calculator made by greeny

[reef basin]

that's not good either

[shy mulch]

that would answer "how many can I make", but not how many is "needed"

[oak sorrel]

nerbay isnt a problem tho there is trains for that

[limpid cairn]

You import the missing resources

[shy mulch]

@oak sorrel why do you need any at all? surely the answer is none. unless you have something in mind that will use them, then you look at that thing and see how many HMF are needed for that

[oak sorrel]

like dont u need hmf for adaptive control unit?

[shy mulch]

exactly my point, look at the thing you're wanting to make, and it will tell you how many HMF you need

how many adaptive control units do you want to make per minute, then look at the recipe, and it will tell you how many HMF you need

[oak sorrel]

But look
for now i can be fine even with 2 a min but in the near future ill need more
and i wanna plan for the future as nuclear powerplant take hmf as well

[shy mulch]

then look at the recipes for the things that use HMF, and they will tell you how many you need

we don't know your plans or what scale you want to build at

[dusky plume]

I mean... the technical answer is 4... you should be making 4 per minute if you are making them yourself(handcraft everything!!!!)

Like we're all saying, when u get to the point u need more, answer the question then

[oak sorrel]

is there a person who hand craft all the things he can to finish the game?

[dusky plume]

You will eventually need to automate control units, so just make more automated hmf there!

[shy mulch]

no, there are parts needed that cannot be handcrafted

[gusty temple]

You can't handcraft elevator parts

[oak sorrel]

i said anything he can
like got all the resources for 50 smart plating by hand and then used assembler cuz he must to finish phase one

[dusky plume]

every factory you build, try to think local resources for power, base parts, etc. or handcraft everything

[gusty temple]

I know someone who treats the crafting table like an idle game and grabs a few dozen stacks to handbuild like, computers though

[oak sorrel]

i want to check how much a min i need and then find a place good enough

[gusty temple]

Mostly while watching vids on the second screen and stuff

[oak sorrel]

ofc

[dusky plume]

right... every phase your need will grow to some extent

so you can try to plan for the future by stocking up

[shy mulch]

This might sound harsh. But if you're asking for help to plan a basic production rate at this stage, you're going to really struggle later. You should use this opportunity while things are relatively simple to practice planning it for yourself, so that you gain the skills needed to complete later phases

[dusky plume]

or learning to build more modular factories that will balance for different parts in other locations

[oak sorrel]

damn

[dusky plume]

OR HANDCRAFT EVERY-sorry

[gusty temple]

Yeah I'd agree that actually making plans yourself is a skill you need to finish the game without relying on pre-made factories

[limpid cairn]

why handcraft when sloops exist

[dusky plume]

are you really automating if you stock containers to build elevator parts...?

[gusty temple]

Simply sink so much solid biofuel you can buy everything

[dusky plume]

is there a term for that? elevator benching?

[limpid cairn]

im not sinking solid biofuel when i can make liquid biofuel out of it lol

but im sinking a lot of alumina scrap

[shy mulch]

I'm going to start sinking packaged ionized fuel, just to enrage ADA

[limpid cairn]

4800 per minute to be exact

[limpid cairn]

how to be able to sink shards:

[dusky plume]

ADA doesn't like fuel?

[shy mulch]

surely you can find something to use that on

[shy mulch]

ADA doesn't like waste, and that is a very wasteful thing to do, as fuel gives very low sink points for the complexity of the production

[dusky plume]

hmm. good point

but nascar fans everywhere back home will thank you

[shy mulch]

home? there's no nascar here

[oak sorrel]

im building using a calculator like

[dusky plume]

I'm gonna build a derby track on this planet then

the whole planet, giant derbycourse

[dense violet]

future proofing is a waste of time honestly. Make like 5-10pm and let them pile up. That'll keep you going

[oak sorrel]

kk thanks

i thought about 4/m cuz u need 1 for 1 adaptive unit

and extra for the other things

thanks for the help from everyone here!

[dusky plume]

... coulda handcrafted about a hundred by now

[cursive totem]

Why do VIP junctions use pumps? Should valves work just as well?

[oak sorrel]

who says i didnt?

[spice patio]

Just that generic version uses pumps, but if you don't use them, you are on your own to make one that works in your exact situation.

[cursive totem]

Changing my mindset away from "I need to plan for future needs" to "build what you need now, and build more later" changed the game so much (in the good sense) for me

It removed the planning paralysis entirely

[limpid cairn]

i usualy just create the max amount of stuff with i have near my factory lol

[oak sorrel]

like one thing i did thinking like that is i made an in enc industrial beam
and just added 20 cotainers to fill up

[gusty temple]

Yeah my method is to pick a ressource node, go "how many x is that making", then if that seems too low I add on a second node lol

[oak sorrel]

in phase three whats the name of the third one that isnt verstile framework and adaptive control unit

[gusty temple]

It's especially good for the "pure iron" line(s)

[limpid cairn]

and then you end up with 5000 silica per minute

[unkempt blade]

a high quality problem! lots of coupons

[gusty temple]

The awesome sink needs to be fed

It'll starve otherwise

[oak sorrel]

or or or just overclock every thing to 250%

[limpid cairn]

i need SIX sinks for that btw

[oak sorrel]

WDAFAK

bro saving tickets for next life

[unkempt blade]

you don't need to brag, I was already impressed

[limpid cairn]

you cant do that btw

it wont work like 99% of the time

[oak sorrel]

why tho

oh belts

[limpid cairn]

no

the amount per minute changes

[gusty temple]

Make a copper sheet factory so you can sink circuit boards lol

[limpid cairn]

already doing that

[gusty temple]

👁️

[oak sorrel]

yeah but if the factory make x2 and consume x2 its fine dont it?

[gusty temple]

You overclock the miner always, but overclocking every machine is a waste of power, just build 3 instead of one

[oak sorrel]

fr

[gusty temple]

If you overclock those 3 you'll just end up with a waste cause you're not making the miner go any faster by overclocking the foundries and the life

[limpid cairn]

its hard to explain

[gusty temple]

Don't fr me you're the one that suggested overclocking every machine :p

[oak sorrel]

as a joke ...

[unkempt blade]

overclocking every machine isn't that unusual later game

[limpid cairn]

yup, i have 40 refineries clocked to 200%

[gusty temple]

It's a bit of a waste imo, but yeah in some cases I still do it
Do what I say, not what I do

[oak sorrel]

is it possible to make and overclocking thing farm?

[shy mulch]

yeah I overclock most stuff now, especially the low MW machines where it doesn't really matter much

[limpid cairn]

overclocking isnt a waste at all

[unkempt blade]

Once you're scaling up oil power you usually have a bunch extra. You can't completely ignore power costs but it's a lot less concerning

[shy mulch]

you keep using the word farm, I don't understand what you mean by that, I've never seen anyone else use that word in the context of satisfactory

[gusty temple]

Compared to just "building 3 machines" it kinda is

[oak sorrel]

factory*

[limpid cairn]

@gusty temple what tier / phase are you right now?

[shy mulch]

ok that makes more sense

[dusky plume]

you can make synthetic powershards

[gusty temple]

Phase 2 lol, just restarted the game
I don't see how that's relevant x)

[shy mulch]

what about when it's the difference between making 600 machines at 250% vs making 1500 machines at 100%

[gusty temple]

Space is cheap and with a few exceptions, so are machines

[limpid cairn]

youre not using A lot of space early thats the reason im asking

[dusky plume]

At the end of the day we're all struggling to not beat the game...

[gusty temple]

I've basically finished the game a few time lol
I'm not on my first run

[shy mulch]

you say that, but there comes a point where it's more effort to build 2.5x as many machines for no reason, when just adding shards to them saves you significant effort
I have around 4000 machines running and most of them are overclocked, and I have about 700 GW of spare power
Why wouldn't I overclock?

[unkempt blade]

in theory you could be spending the materials on something besides power but in reality there's waaaay more resources than you need to have a really big save/finish the game

[gusty temple]

Please read what I've already written x)
You're allowed to play the game how you want dude, the efficiency police isn't gonna ask for your video game power usage

[shy mulch]

You stated that overclocking is wasteful, and I disagreed that in some contexts it isn't

[gusty temple]

It's more efficient to not overclock
You're allowed to use it, obviously, and it's a video game, you don't need to justify yourself

[shy mulch]

I'd go so far as to say in some situations, NOT overclocking is wasteful

[dusky plume]

In the original situation, it was relevant to point out

that overclocking is indeed give and take

[unkempt blade]

if I could make up a server rule I think I'd ban the word "efficient" because it's so overloaded around here

[dusky plume]

Furnace then almost next breath said he overclocks, he was just pointing out the logic

[oak sorrel]

like after finishing milestone 9 what do u do in the world?

[gusty temple]

You train hogs to do tricks

[oak sorrel]

fr??

cool!

[gusty temple]

Yeah I taught one roll over and give the paw

Trust

[oak sorrel]

imma try that

imma make it walk on two legs

[dusky plume]

So I'm hundreds of hours. Do I try to beat the game? I don't, right?

I can be that guy?

It's that kinda game?

[oak sorrel]

why whould u beat the game did he attacked first?

[dusky plume]

... that's what I'm sayin...

I'm gonna go build another coal factory

like, small

[oak sorrel]

only 60 gens

[shy mulch]

then you start playing, completing the space elevator and all the tiers and MAM is just a tutorial. now you can start building big things!

[dusky plume]

meh, 20 gens, all with their own room

[unkempt blade]

Just play however is fun. It's not a race and you're not competing against other players 😄

[oak sorrel]

and window and make them a refinary wife

[limpid cairn]

ficsonium

[oak sorrel]

for each and constructors childrens

[gusty temple]

Usually people enjoy having access to every tech and plenty of energy to build pet projects, stuff like huge factories making huge quantities of an endgame product, or silly stuff

[obsidian zodiac]

some folks have thousands of hours and still havent beaten the game haha

[limpid cairn]

pointing at @shy mulch with a save with 200h which is still at phase 0

[oak sorrel]

but the pmo in the game is that i build ugly af

[dusky plume]

why the heck

[gusty temple]

Personally I enjoy the grind to the next unlock though so I restart when I get bored, I never stayed at the last tier(s) too long

[dusky plume]

right... I don't want to do the end...

[shy mulch]

I only started playing when 1.0 was released. I completed space elavator in approx 300h. That save now has almost 1k hours on it, just kept going and making things bigger. Also got a 2nd save which is at a bit over 200h which is still at phase 0, just wanted to see how far I could get without building the space elevator, almost completed the MAM!
My next challenge when I run out of things to do in my main save is I'm going to try to complete the space elevator using only biomass burners for power

[limpid cairn]

the end is the fun part

[gusty temple]

I like having numbered goals get filled progressively

Biomass burner are SO comfy since they added the intake
I remember having MASSIVE biomass plants purely so I'd never have to refill it more than once

[leaden turret]

some folks spend so much time shitposting for their employer they haven't beaten the game 😛

[oak sorrel]

how do they get the fuel tho?

[gusty temple]

The same way every other building gets every other ressource
a conveyor belt

[obsidian zodiac]

its hard to do when i have to respond to someones ridiculous questions about fauna in the game

[oak sorrel]

but dont they need like wood to fuel?

[gusty temple]

Yes, biomass

[oak sorrel]

like i do it in early game juyst put load of woods

and then leave it working till i have coal gens

[rich parrot]

You can massacre the local wildlife for endless fuel.

[oak sorrel]

im dead

[gusty temple]

You'd get much better efficiency by turning the wood into biofuel, then solid biofuel

[oak sorrel]

wait the phrase in english is im dying

[leaden turret]

• does the giant flying manta eat?
• if yes, does it poop?
• if yes, does the giant flying manta have a butthole or cloaca?

[gusty temple]

Multiplies the energy per log by a lot

[oak sorrel]

thats what i do

[shy mulch]

I just spent the last 5 minutes playing with a wooden coffee stirrer on the edge of my desk, making it vibrate with different notes by moving my finger up and down it

[gusty temple]

Then you know how they're filled ?

[oak sorrel]

when are u gonna add boats to the game

cuz why not like

[leaden turret]

they've only confirmed boat physics, no boats

[obsidian zodiac]

with the battle royale update

[gusty temple]

Isn't the game already battle royal

Why'd they give me a gun and other players if it isn't

[oak sorrel]

u gonna add battle pass and daily/weekly missions?

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac now giving you the mental image of ||giant flying manta butt cheeks||

[limpid cairn]

@shy mulch do i add another train to the system when im lacking throughput

[obsidian zodiac]

are you my coworker??? howd you know??

[oak sorrel]

turn around buddy

im right there

[shy mulch]

They are a vulture-like species. They feed on lizard doggos that have died to natural causes. Any waste is burned in an internal biomass burner in their lower abdomen, it heats the air below them giving them additional lift when flying

[leaden turret]

June 29th, 2021 Livestream
Q&A: When are you guys adding Battle Royale mode?
https://youtu.be/J_Dzjr_-8Hc

2029 possible it's more likely 2030 maybe

[shy mulch]

more trains = better trains

[leaden turret]

when does the manta land

[oak sorrel]

when are you guys planning to do a goat sim and satisfactory crossover? @obsidian zodiac

[shy mulch]

they are shy, the only come down to ground level when there are no pioneers nearby

[obsidian zodiac]

right now the game is more a survival game like ark but with less dinosaurs. once i get emmets job as game director i will be implementing more rifles and sabrina carpenter

[leaden turret]

if a manta lands in a forest and nobody's around to see it, does it poop? 😛

[shy mulch]

where do you think bacon agoric comes from

[obsidian zodiac]

great question, i will ask

[limpid cairn]

goat sim is made by css?

[oak sorrel]

thanks im whould like goat protean in my game

[obsidian zodiac]

original goat sim was made by CSS, i dont think anyone working on satisfactory worked on goat sim though. now goat sim is developed by the studio in malmo and coffee stain north in stockholm

[rigid mist]

I may actually pass my factorio play time with this game
220 ish hours since aug 3

[leaden turret]

what about some Chappel Roan?

Lizard Doggo Club
I'm gonna keep on dancing at the
Lizard Doggo Club
I'm gonna keep on dancing down in
MASSAGE-2(A-B)b
I'm gonna keep on dancing at the
Lizard Doggo Club, Lizard Doggo Club

[leaden turret]

ask them to add the lizard doggo to the goat sim 1 remaster? get thee some lizard doggo licking the old school coffee stainers?

[oak sorrel]

should i automate the rifle bullet factory

[shy mulch]

Will lizard doggos ever be able to visit the hub and participate in kareoke?

[oak sorrel]

how do i close the hub music

[rigid mist]

This game has 340 currently and my factorio is 820 so it will take some time

[obsidian zodiac]

im fighting the good fight i promise

[shy mulch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/557603412565426196/1415321268378538024

[rigid mist]

When can factory carts travel through portals (this is a necessary addition)

[leaden turret]

Fallout 3 ADA Three Dog voice replacement mod, when?

[oak sorrel]

ty

[gusty temple]

Satisfactory nether update when

[leaden turret]

map already has nether regions in it

[gusty temple]

Somewhere inbetween belgium and germany ?

[limpid cairn]

@unkempt blade

[leaden turret]

referring to the secret and not-so-secret eggplants in the map

[oak sorrel]

when does satisfacory add a milestone of nuclear explosion aftermath when we go back to the start

[limpid cairn]

like we blow up the space elevator to reveal the truth of ficsit just to get replaced?

[oak sorrel]

yeah!

we gonna open an earth competitor

[deep pier]

is there a vid or an expert that can help me understand train tracks and how to build them?

[fierce flicker]

i liked factorio demo

[reef basin]

click where you want the track to start, drag to where you want it to end, click again. Same as belts

[gusty temple]

Then you'll probs like satisfactory (or factorio)

[deep pier]

ye I mean like complicated tracks, I asked few days ago but someone hated trains and another showed a wierd blue print I didn't understand then never heared from them again

[reef basin]

start simple, no need to build complicated tracks from start 😉

[fierce flicker]

will it go on a sale? because it's expensive on steam and epic games is.... epic games

[reef basin]

epic games is very much fine 😉

[hexed phoenix]

Somehow i dont doubt that :P

[reef basin]

and we don't know when next sale will be 😉 kinda counter-productive to announce future sales

[fierce flicker]

but steam is better

[reef basin]

that's your opinion 🤷 (which is fine, but it's just opinion)

[gusty temple]

Epic games sucks for a bunch of reasons imo, it's fully normal to be wary of it

[fierce flicker]

well maybe but yk autumn sale

[reef basin]

I'd buy at full price, it's very much worth it

[gusty temple]

Both for QoL features and security features, it's worst than steam

[fierce flicker]

yeah also the download speeds are so slow

[reef basin]

I like epic more than steam 🤷

[fierce flicker]

well its to much for me at full price

[reef basin]

(my opinion) if a few dollars is make or break for you, maybe you shouldn't be spending money on games

[limpid cairn]

agreed but epic satisfactory is just as good as steam satisfactory

[gusty temple]

Which he isn't lol
as he said

[limpid cairn]

you can pretty much do everything that you can do on steam too

yes you have mods too!

[reef basin]

? he's trying to buy on sale, which is kinda spending money on games

[fierce flicker]

i'm not from america so it's kinda different

[reef basin]

afaik the prices (and sales) scale the same way

[limpid cairn]

the prices yeah but the salary isnt scaling the same

[reef basin]

my point isn't related to salary at all though?

[gusty temple]

You're missing a bunch of QoL features from steam though (on top of epic game having a bad track record regarding personal privacy)
Stuff like the screenshot manager, cloud saves, mod workshop, clip system, etc are all missing from epic games

[reef basin]

my point is that if e.g. 20% off sale is what makes it so that you have enough money for it, I wouldn't consider it a reasonable decision to spend the money on a game

[limpid cairn]

i understood it wrong then, my bad

[leaden turret]

notes overlay better than the in-game notes

[gusty temple]

Never actually used those frankly but in general yea the steam overlay is huge

[reef basin]

• screenshot manager - don't need, never use, I'm perfectly capable of pressing printscreen myself, don't need extra software for it
• cloud saves - epic has those
• mod workshop - I don't like steam's mod workshop because it's only usable on steam, so any game that is on multiple platforms can't use it. mod.io or similar are just better for this
• clip system - no idea what that is, if it's screen recording, I have better dedicated software for it

so yeah, I'm not really missing anything on epic

[limpid cairn]

youre missing that youre not supporting the best company existing (valve)

[unkempt blade]

What parts of Epic do you like better/use more out of curiosity? I basically only grab free games from them when they look interesting

[gusty temple]

Calling your dedicated software better without having tried it and criticising tools based on "don't need" is a bit disingenuous :p
The steam screenshot system has a bunch of functions you don't get with printscreen which are convenient, the mod workshop only being available on steam isn't an issue if that's what you have the game on lol

And, again, epic has had a bunch of issues with privacy I'd rather not deal with in order to get slightly cheaper games

[reef basin]

I'm supporting competition = more incentive for valve to get better

[reef basin]

steam had those as well 🤷

[gusty temple]

Like ?

[reef basin]

launcher isn't full of extra crap

[gusty temple]

If that's such an issue shrimply use steamcmd

Launcherless steam, the best of both worlds

[reef basin]

I don't have all games on Steam. And ideally I wouldn't have any on Steam (or Epic) but unfortunately that's not really viable nowdays

[reef basin]

well the discussion was/is about why I like Epic better, so I feel like "I don't need feature X" is a perfectly valid reason

[limpid cairn]

guys, why do we hate each on steam and epic, when the enemy is gog.com...?

[reef basin]

best of all worlds would be launcherless PC

[unkempt blade]

I could definitely live without most of the social stuff on Steam at this point. I like alternatives better and stuff like discord feels at least somewhat less invasive

[gusty temple]

It was actually about someone not wanting to use it, the opposite x)

[gusty temple]

Agreed, though discord is actually getting too invasive for me especially with all the premium stuff
I'm on the verge of switching back to IRC smh

[dense violet]

im entertained irc is still a thing

[fierce flicker]

okay? you make lets say 7,50 an hour working 8 h a day u make 58 bucks that 812 every 2 weeks i get 70 bucks every month

[gusty temple]

It'll never not be a thing, it's a protocol more than a platform
The same way email will likely always be a thing

[reef basin]

in ideal world steam would be just a store. You buy a game (ideally the game, not a license to play it). Unfortunately we for some reason need steam to click .exes for us 🤔

[gusty temple]

You can just click the exe yourself, and there isn't a feature you can't disable afaik

[dense violet]

I meant more that groups of people still use it significantly

[reef basin]

which is exactly my point - if you have "issues" with money, buying a game may not be the wisest decision (but again, that's just my opinion)

[fierce flicker]

im under 18

[reef basin]

well in most countries you can still do some "jobs" like stocking shelves and such iirc

[gusty temple]

That's a whole other thing and frankly there's enough free stuff you can access with an internet connection I'd never recommend getting a job just for video games

[fierce flicker]

brotha im in school rn what do want me to do? spend 7 h in school to go on a 4 h shift?

[limpid cairn]

yes

[reef basin]

except that still needs steam to be turned on and will still launch the game through steam (and no, I'm not talking about desktop shortcut with steam:// protocol)

as for "disabling features", how do you disable like 90% of the launcher?

[limpid cairn]

just kidding, but you can probably sell your skills online for money

i used to sell ingame stuff for a lot of money

[reef basin]

I mean that's how money works, you earn it by doing work 🙂

[fierce flicker]

tbh i dont have enough stuff to sell

[gusty temple]

You disable it by clicking the buttons that disable em lol
And "steam being turned on" doesn't affect you in any meaningful way

[limpid cairn]

then you know what to do

[reef basin]

(other option is to ask parents to give you money, e.g. in exchange for doing house chores, or neighbour's chores, etc.)

[shy mulch]

I was in full time education until I was 22. I was also working since I was 13. When in high school I worked weekends, when I went to university I worked evenings in a supermarket

[gusty temple]

I don't think giving kids career advice is really what a satisfactory discord server is for lmao

[reef basin]

if my point is "I don't want any launcher installed on my PC", then yes, it affects me

[fierce flicker]

gramps i just want a good deal on a game to not waste my money

[leaden turret]

don't work in retail if you don't want to get migraines from having to not punch idiots

[reef basin]

and I answered that in my first answer like 100 messages back

[gusty temple]

Especially when it's solid advice like "don't rest after studying, go stock shelves at a walmart" lmao

[fierce flicker]

i just want 30% of on steam and i get full life plan 🙏😭\

[gusty temple]

Any kind of customer/user-facing job is an excercise in zen but retail is the worst of it

[reef basin]

how do I disable the whole "steam cards" thing?

[limpid cairn]

back in your days hobbies didnt exist tho

[gusty temple]

by not going to the 2 menus they're in ? Steam inventory isn't needed for anything unless you play csgo, and they don't show up ingame or whatever

[unkempt blade]

there were hobbies we just had to walk uphill both ways to get minesweeper to open!

[reef basin]

you still get annoying notifications and such

[gusty temple]

Disable steam card notifications then lol

[fierce flicker]

and happines was when you could go to sleep to end your pain

[shy mulch]

I had plenty hobbies. What I missed out on was sleep

[reef basin]

and you still have full inventory of them

[leaden turret]

make dreaming a hobby, problem solved

[gusty temple]

Why would you go in your steam inventory if you don't care about it ?

[unkempt blade]

I must have steam notifications turned off somewhere. I don't think it tells me about anything but downloads finishing and people messaging me

[limpid cairn]

sleeping more than 3h a day is OVERRATED!!!!

[fierce flicker]

yk you can sell yhe cards and sell your items

[gusty temple]

Yeah I'm 90% sure it's an opt-in, not an opt-out

[fierce flicker]

gramps chill

[reef basin]

because there's other things in that inventory that I care about?

[limpid cairn]

the cards are ass worth as a pile of dirt lol

[fierce flicker]

how old are you?

[shy mulch]

I used to play simcity on paper because I couldn't afford to buy the game. Not even joking. My bedroom was full of massive sheets of paper it was ridiculous

[reef basin]

between 13 and 100

[fierce flicker]

tbh if you have enough you can get some money i made like 10 bucks by just puting some on the market

[fierce flicker]

so 48

[reef basin]

no

[limpid cairn]

i assume greeny is like either 20 or 50

[fierce flicker]

like 35

[shy mulch]

you had a 1 in 86 shot of getting that right, cool guess

[gusty temple]

Like ? csgo knives ? x)
Steam inventory is nearly a depreciated feature, nothing uses it

[fierce flicker]

you are 49

[reef basin]

dota 2 does

[shy mulch]

I don't respond with confirmation or denial regards speculation on my personal information

[leaden turret]

I speculate that you exist

[unkempt blade]

totally something a 49 y/o would say

[fierce flicker]

he about to expire

[shy mulch]

I won't confirm or deny that

[limpid cairn]

wasistdaz was born before tetris btw

[gusty temple]

So is everyone, tetris wasn't born

[gusty temple]

My condoleances for playing dota

[reef basin]

at least it's an interesting game compared to shit like league

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac does the abstract concept of game developement have a butthole or cloaca?

[obsidian zodiac]

more of a human centipede situation

[leaden turret]

buttholes all the way down, confirmed

[limpid cairn]

hey man league is fun as hell

[reef basin]

agree to disagree

[limpid cairn]

especially when you see the ,,permanently banned" screen after being too good

[gusty temple]

Glass houses & rocks lol
From my pov they're the same game

[junior laurel]

I hope Jason gets paid enough for this.

I know he doesnt.

[reef basin]

having played both for extensive amount of time, they aren't

[gusty temple]

Having played neither, they are

[limpid cairn]

league and dota arent the same at all

[fluid sapphire]

the time they need to wait is so little its not even worth considering

[limpid cairn]

they share tha they are both mobas tho

[unkempt blade]

I blame MOBAs for killing the RTS genre so there's no forgiving them for that sin

[gusty temple]

Both mobas with really competitive communities that are usually toxic, an esport aspect too many people aim for, and little to no reason to play if you're not planning on dedicating a lot of time to

[limpid cairn]

what is rts? when i google it i receive a link to radio television suisse lol

[gusty temple]

real time strategy, the grandpa of MOBAs

Think starcraft

[unkempt blade]

real time strategy - starcraft, age of empires, etc.

[gusty temple]

MOBAs basically evolved from a variant gamemode on a RTS (simplifying a lot here)

[ivory condor]

Im not convinced they aren't, even the devs seem to be suprised t2 can't actually maintain 600m3. I know guru looked at my specific save and case and even they didn't seem to know what to make with what is happening, which tells me t2 pipes are buggy.

[unkempt blade]

it didn't kill off turnbased strategy but RTS got a lot less development love since MOBAs gained popularity

[limpid cairn]

im young ive never heard of those games besides of star craft

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's been a while, league and dota are like 15 y/o or something 😆

[reef basin]

except it's usually not mk2 pipes related

[gusty temple]

If video game is a hobby of yours you should learn video game history smh

[gusty temple]

I recently realised steam is 23 and that feels wild

[reef basin]

afaik most of the "bugs" (which most of them are kinda features) are from pipe junctions

[junior laurel]

We don't be game keeping around here

[limpid cairn]

i was talking about RTS games league is still super popular and everyone knows it even new gens lol

[reef basin]

Starcraft is also still popular 🤷

[ivory condor]

Well i agree it's more complicated, because it happens at least in my case with regular t2 pipe manifolds, you would expect out of the system for 600m3 to be possible, in reality it isnt

[gusty temple]

Nah, it's the opposite
People should enter happily into their hobbies and learn the fun facts if they can, not just focus on the current stuff

[reef basin]

it is, when built properly

[limpid cairn]

no one i know in my age range plays starcraft thats why i guess ive never heard of it

[junior laurel]

If they want to.

[unkempt blade]

it was one of the original big esports but SC2 doesn't really get real updates and I'm not holding my breath for SC3 😆

[ivory condor]

Problem is the game tells you nothing about what is proper

[gusty temple]

Nah, having a comprehensive knowledge of your hobbies matters when it comes to understanding it
If you specifically want to not know stuff fine ig, but knowing is a good thing

[reef basin]

that I'd agree with 🤷 but that doesn't make it "buggy" imo

[ivory condor]

One would expect a normal t2 manifold to just work, reality that isnt the case

[gusty temple]

And yeah starcraft is still played by the hardcore community, but it's not gaining new players

[reef basin]

I wouldn't, given pipes are bidirectional

[naive orchid]

yo, i got phase 4 rockets and pasta done, now i'm waiting for the field generators and systems. can i just ask for atleast 1 tip what do i first do at phase 9

[ivory condor]

It is when the system has only one exit out of the system

[dull flare]

they do though

[ivory condor]

Aka flow should be able to maintain out of the manifold up to 600m3, but it just doesn't work for some reason

[reef basin]

well pipes don't really have "entrance" or "exit", they are bidirectional. Only directional things are I/O slots on machines

[dull flare]

at least from my experience

[shy mulch]

hey guys im new im trign to setu p ionized fuel but i havent unlok coal yet pls help me 900 meters

[reef basin]

because of backflow from first junction/full machine

[ivory condor]

I thought that to so I put on valves, still same result

[gaunt anchor]

Age Of Empires supremacy, AoE 2 was like my first game ever. Definitive editions got lots of love, but I’d probably still agree with you, since they aren’t new games necessarily

[reef basin]

valves don't help with that

you still get backflow the same way, except now it's the valve that makes it backflow

[ivory condor]

Valves do prevent backflow?

Hmmmm

[dull flare]

i heard valves cause more issues than they solve

[ivory condor]

Maybe i had a wrong idea about something

[reef basin]

from one end of valve to another, yes

but if the pipe after valve is full, the fluid bounces from the valve anyway, because it can't get through the valve

you've just moved the "bounce point" a bit back

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I've heard good things about some of the definitive editions but those are more nostalgia/cash grabs than they are new RTS content. WC3 on the other hand sounds like the remaster was a disaster 😆

[ivory condor]

Its ok pipes in this game are something special

[dull flare]

ik

i hate pipes but i somehow managed to get them to work at my fuel power plant

[reef basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1410595398502056049/1410597750344519680/image.png?ex=68c95407&is=68c80287&hm=ffe1ffe024a09528e705c246c1638a282dd4d1db289ed47f156c3dac1bd62c8f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=449&height=350 this setup generally works in majority of cases. You loop the pipe so that backflow is not an issue (fluid can go around) and you feed it from above so that gravity pushes the fluid down and naturally empties the top pipe so that more fluid can flow

[ivory condor]

Yep i know, thats what im doing with my pipe setups as that actually works

Im just annoyed with myself I keep forgetting to do pipe loops and regret my decisions later

[gaunt anchor]

Considering AoE 2 came out in 1999, I wouldn’t consider them cashgrabs. They still had an active player base, even tournaments. This is something people genuinely wanted. And the execution was great (we don’t talk about performance right after the release). Reforged on the other hand.. Yea, ain’t even worth talking about, too great of a waste of time

[reef basin]

there were some cool post-reforged updates though

[sick dragon]

You misspelled refunded

[limpid cairn]

wait youre supposed to feed the liquid into the top part?

[gaunt anchor]

I’m glad they were trying to do at least something with it, but as far as I’m aware, for most the way to go is still the original. I don’t really keep an eye on it

[fierce flicker]

should i
1 wait for the autumn sale to buy this game
2 buy it on epic (🤮🤮🤮🤮)
3 buy it on a sus website

[atomic notch]

Buy it rn

[gusty temple]

Don't use the "sus websites" they're usually just money laundering and have 0 customer support if an issue happens

[dense violet]

just buy it. You don't know if it'll come on sale in autumn or for more than a couple bucks

[wanton blaze]

Game is quite frequently on sale though

[gusty temple]

I'd wait for a sale yeah

[atomic notch]

Id say cost per hours of gameplay totally worth it

[abstract heron]

And satisfactory is quite fun

[leaden turret]

• steam
• epic
• humble bundle
• playstation store
• xbox store

anywhere else is not a legit place to purchase satisfactory

[abstract heron]

Hi @leaden turret

[fierce flicker]

ik and it is on sale rn byt on epic

[rich parrot]

Epic is fine. I don't understand all the fuss.

[fierce flicker]

we had this debate

[gusty temple]

That discussion has been had x)
Tl;dr : it doesn't have the QoL features steam does and it has a bad track record with privacy

[rich parrot]

Well, I use Steam to launch games, same as Epic. I don't really care about chats and stickers.

[gusty temple]

Those aren't the QoL features in question, and those aren't related to the privacy issues lol
I'd say scroll up if you wanna see the points, I'm not retyping everything

[atomic notch]

What how could you not care about stickers

[rich parrot]

I am a filthy heretic, I must admit.

[wanton blaze]

They obscure half the chat on phone.

[atomic notch]

Womp womp discord mobile sucks

[wanton blaze]

Cant have discord on work pc, there is a reason for it.

[tall plover]

idk how the fuck but i have horizontal walls

[leaden turret]

🍆

[sick dragon]

Am I late for the pc storefront war

[gusty temple]

Yes 😔

Steam won
We installed total steam dictatorship
sorry

[limpid cairn]

does steam have unreal engine? i dont think so.

[sick dragon]

I didn't authorize you to install that on my pc 😱

[gusty temple]

It does though ?

[wanton blaze]

??? Point being?

[sick dragon]

I think the joke is NSFW imagery in relation to you can't have it at work 😛

[fierce flicker]

buy me satisfactory

[leaden turret]

no discord on the work pc due to risk of nsfw content slipping by due to some randomer existing outside the scope of company it usage policy

[limpid cairn]

nope

[leaden turret]

• Please don't beg for keys/free copies of the game.
#rules

[sick dragon]

Even if it was allowed.... kinda rude how that was asked

[fierce flicker]

that was a command. (and a joke)

[leaden turret]

• Bad puns result in a lifetime ban.

[fierce flicker]

damn

u cant have anything around here

[wanton blaze]

More like cant install anything but point still valid.

[sick dragon]

Are you having a.... satisfsctory experie - user has been banned

[leaden turret]

I think I used to log onto discord web app from the work pc last time I worked in an office

[gusty temple]

I'm actively procrastinating until a meeting rn on the web app

[sick dragon]

I work from home so I just sometimes swap between work and home pc lol

Course being in help desk call center it makes that difficult

[gusty temple]

The only reason I don't have discord app on my pc is that I'm the system administrator so I have to set an exemple regarding not-installing-random-apps 😔

[tight moon]

the anniversary event is ongoing. may i ask is there any special rewards during the anniversary event? or just the flashy hub?

[sick dragon]

Do it and call it a pen test to test security 😛

[gusty temple]

None, you can disable it happily if the sound gets tiring

[sick dragon]

There's a music track in the shop. Other than that no

[tight moon]

thank you

[shrewd palm]

shoutout to dark matter crystallization for being borderline overpowered

[shy mulch]

you mean dark matter trap, right?

[shrewd palm]

the one where you turn dark matter residue into dark matter crystal

[short stag]

Is there a way to move a single item from your dimensional inventory to physical inventory? I hate grabbing a full stack to use in the MAM and then reupload it.

[shy mulch]

200/min DMR becomes 20/min DMC
I much prefer 30/min time crystal and 150/min DMR into 60/min DMC

1/4 as much SAM required, which is the most scarce thing

[shy mulch]

not that I'm aware of

[shrewd palm]

actually i might check that out

i just throw everything i dont need in the trash

or sink it if theres a lot

[shy mulch]

how many dark matter crystals are you making per min?

whatever it is, change recipe, add a bunch of time crystals, and it'll be 4x

[shrewd palm]

i currently have no idea because the way i planned this out was not very well

but time crystals, trigons, oscillators, power matrix, and singularity cells are the end goals

[naive orchid]

sam is kinda cheap tho found atleast 3 pure nodes already and with mk3 miners you will get way too many sam

[short stag]

It'd be hilarious if the end-game included ADA telling you how much of everything you threw away, as FICSIT does not encourage waste.

[shrewd palm]

theres only 10200 on the map and that runs out fast when you're doing big projects

[shy mulch]

I'm using almost all of the SAM in the world

[naive orchid]

😐 10.2k

[shy mulch]

it's literally the 2nd rarest thing after uranium

[naive orchid]

nothing is rare if u already know a way to acces it

[glad drum]

Uranium is actually the 2nd rarest

[shy mulch]

there is a limited amount per minute you can get

[shrewd palm]

not rare as in hard to find but rare as in there isnt very much

[glad drum]

The 1st rarest is a friend you can trust ❤️

[shrewd palm]

😭

[naive orchid]

i already know the only 2 normal nodes of uranium

correct me if im wrong im a first time player

[shy mulch]

I'm sure there's a joke here, but go on, what's the rarest. Please don't say lizard doggo milk

[shrewd palm]

theres 3 more impure and then thats it

2300 uranium on the map in total

[limpid cairn]

Maybe the reward of completing satisfactory…is the friends we made along the way…

[naive orchid]

fym

[glad drum]

#satisfactory message

Just wanna spread some love

[naive orchid]

there are infinite resources on the map except artifacts and stuff like that

[limpid cairn]

Thats more than enough tbh

it’s not like you’re gonna use it in every factory

[shy mulch]

ok so if I make a factory that requires 50000 SAM per minute, that's fine?

[shrewd palm]

yeah, the 630GW you get out of it is more than enough for basically anything

[naive orchid]

why do u need a factory that needs that much sam

[shy mulch]

my point is it's not possible, because it's not infinite rate per minute

[limpid cairn]

Does this include plutonium and ficsodium ?

[shrewd palm]

no, just uranium

with plutonium and ficsonium that goes over a terrawatt but i cant remember exactly how much

[naive orchid]

im looking for atleast 10-15 constructors for reanimated sam and idk how manufacturers

with one pure node and a mk3 miner

[shrewd palm]

using converters to get more uranium is more efficienct than going to ficsonium anyways

[naive orchid]

and then one converter for each item

[shy mulch]

the maximum SAM you can use is 10200/min if you put fully overclocked mk3 miners on every node. I am currently using almost all of that. so your statement that it is "infinite" is not accurate. if I tried to double my production it wouldn't be possible

[naive orchid]

i never calculated anything but is it also true that you get more uranium from converting other resources in the converter to uranium than a normal uranium node? idk just feels like it

[naive orchid]

i didnt say per minute

[shy mulch]

it's the only relevant metric though

[naive orchid]

whatever i understood just sam not /min

[shrewd palm]

you can turn caterium/copper into bauxite (or just use the base nodes), and then turn that into uranium

[shy mulch]

if you don't talk about per minute then it's a completely meaningless statement

[naive orchid]

yeah but is that like... faster

cuz i havent set up a power plant yet

[glad drum]

Yeah just let the miners collect SAM while you build and fill enough containers to power your 50k SAM/min factory for a day

[shrewd palm]

just for the heck of it using 2/3 of the caterium and about 1/3 of the SAM gets you another 2000 uranium ore to play with

[dense violet]

what tier are you in?

[naive orchid]

soon gna finish phase 4 afking adaptive control units for da systems

[dense violet]

how do you not have a power plant yet?

[naive orchid]

idk i dont feel like it i rather have a turbofuel plant

[limpid cairn]

What’s the conversion rate of Caterium to uranium?

[naive orchid]

cuz then u produce waste

[dense violet]

how are you powering things though...

[shrewd palm]

5:1

[naive orchid]

large turbofuel plant is giving me atleast 20k+ mw

[shrewd palm]

copper is less efficient

[naive orchid]

and i guess its working

[limpid cairn]

You can’t even convert caterium to uranium wdym

[dense violet]

ok so yo udo have a power station

nm

[shrewd palm]

turn it to bauxite and then turn that into uranium

[limpid cairn]

I see

How much bauxite is on the map?

[shrewd palm]

12300

[limpid cairn]

How much of that are yall using for alumina ?

[shrewd palm]

all of it except for an impure

[naive orchid]

yes but rn theres not much turbofuel for more generators and i have too much power

[fluid sapphire]

lol too much power, most ridiculous thing i have ever heard

[naive orchid]

so gna wait till i need more

[glad drum]

Wow, so you can turn all the Copper, Quartz, Caterium, Bauxite, Coal, Sulfur on the map into Uranium too to get even MORE radiation power eh? Assuming you have enough left for the other necessary parts

[shrewd palm]

yes

and iirc thats more efficient than ficsonium

[white dawn]

Well, you're limited in how much you can convert by available SAM

Wouldn't be able to covert literally everything you mentioned. :)

[shy mulch]

even more so if you're using 90% of the SAM on the map for dark matter crystals

[white dawn]

(and Ficsonium isn't meant to be efficient. Efficiency isn't the point with that one. :)

[shrewd palm]

ok dark matter trap is way more busted than crystallization

[hard ivy]

Ofc it is? It costs time crystals, crystallization is free

[shrewd palm]

pretty sure im at a net positive for dark matter crystals just off the byproduct residue

[naive orchid]

the game tries to trick you between two options, either use plutonium and deal with the waste, or make ficsonium, which is less efficient so you need more of it

[shy mulch]

yeah man, only decision left is how to make your diamonds, I went with a mix of most of the recipes lol

[shrewd palm]

gonna do a mix of coal and oil for this one

[hard ivy]

A few items are DMR positive if you use trap for all the DMCs

[shrewd palm]

im building it in that crater lake area north of the red forest, so gonna be using all the coal and all the oil from around there

will have to import some oil tho

[shy mulch]

I'm using cloudy, oil based, and turbo diamonds

[shrewd palm]

is turbo the most efficient?

[hard ivy]

Most WP efficient, yes

[white dawn]

I don't think there's a trick anywhere in there. That's just two of the options for doing nuclear, is all

[noble topaz]

Turn every resource possible into fuel for the reactors for the maximum amount of power

[shy mulch]

I didn't calculate that, I just chose to use it because I had a lot of compacted coal byproduct so made sense to use it on something useful

[dense violet]

efficient for what?

[noble topaz]

Idk random idea i had

[shrewd palm]

diamonds

[naive orchid]

yeah but obviously choosing ficsonium is better for most players, dealing with waste is almost impossible

[dense violet]

like all recipes there's trade offs which resource do you want ot be more efficient in?

[hard ivy]

Sink Plutonium and it's both easier and cheaper per MW than Ficsonium

[shy mulch]

dealing with waste is extremely simple, just many people prefer to not store it and to burn it instead

[white dawn]

Heh, I disagree. Storing waste is ezpz; I've done that a few times. It's fine

[dense violet]

... well yo udeal with the waste by storing it. Which, with plutonium is very easy

or ... the galaxy brain move, don't burn the plutonium rods

[shy mulch]

I have a blueprint with 120 industrial storages, pop that blueprint down 10 times and forget about it for a couple of years

[white dawn]

I also disagree that Ficsonium is better for most players. It's only really there for the niche of "want to burn Plutonium" plus "want clean nuclear"

[limpid cairn]

But,but, ficsonium 🥺

[white dawn]

If you have any wiggle room at all on either of those two requirements, then Ficsonium is a hard sell

[hard ivy]

Blame the devs for making it so useless

Or install my mods lol

[white dawn]

Didn't get me wrong, I'm personally quite fond of Ficsonium. :)

But it is undeniably a niche product

Eh, again, it's not useless

[shy mulch]

I just did ficsonium because it looked like a nice challenge at the time

[limpid cairn]

Im passing on the offer to join the get a virus any % speedrun. Thanks

[white dawn]

You just wish it was something that it's not. :)

[shrewd palm]

kind of wishing i didnt build so low to the ground in the rocky desert

good way to get rid of a lot of limestone right there

[hard ivy]

They're found where the rest of SF mods are lol.
And all mods there get verified for not being harmful

[limpid cairn]

Im joking Dw

[shrewd palm]

6600 limestone is off limits now and its really close to where i was building this factory

[hard ivy]

To me, usefulness/uselessness is a scale from 10 to -10. And Ficsonium ranks a solid -8.5

[shy mulch]

Should be a "dirt extraction" method. Put a miner literally anywhere on the map and extract dirt at 300/min, feed it through a machine that spits out a tiny bit of iron ore, copper ore, or limestone, like 30/min from 300/min of dirt. Just to give the extreme players some ridiculous upper bound on what's possible

[shrewd palm]

i feel like theres a mod for that somewhere

[cunning glade]

Well the thing is my train station is full of the poly resin since I've had that running for a hot min

[white dawn]

Sure, that time you included a "to me" instead of just making a blanket statement as if it's a universal truth

[shy mulch]

I'm also annoyed it's not possible to extract nitrogen from the air. It's 78% nitrogen, should be even more of it than there is water.

[dense violet]

you'll need to eventually use it. or sink it?

[rustic hare]

finally, a use for the massive nuclear plant's power

[dense violet]

why not process the resin on site?

[hexed phoenix]

Well here is a challenge to the crazy ones..

Take the least amount of Uranium, and have the entire map affected by radiation..

Preferable using Carts to spread it

[cunning glade]

Already have a factory making 20gw was easier too separate it and make plastic in one spot imo

[dense violet]

sure but it's only a few refineries to the side, and it'll shrink the amount of parts per min you need to move

[cunning glade]

It was 21 refineries

[dense violet]

or above. Floors exist. Didnt you say you're alreayd making plastic there ?

[dense violet]

overclocked?

[cunning glade]

No just power

[cunning glade]

True but then I have too use slugs

[dense violet]

there's 5000 power shards on the map. You'll be ok

[limpid cairn]

only 5000?

[cunning glade]

Ik but I don't have that many blue ones

[limpid cairn]

[cunning glade]

Purple ones are off limits

There too pretty

[cunning siren]

Unlimited power shards really 🤔

[limpid cairn]

Thats only 1666 refineries at 250% clock speed

[shy mulch]

5318 power shards possible without synthetic production

[cunning glade]

There's unlimited power shards limited slugs

[cunning siren]

Are you keeping a slug farm?

[shy mulch]

once you get synthetic production, power shards are common and easy

[limpid cairn]

Unlimitedlimited power shards basically

[white dawn]

Plus whatever you're willing to farm from doggos!

[rustic hare]

mind turning doggos into your slave via an autoclicker?

[shy mulch]

good point forgot about that

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure slugs are also unlimited because doggos

[cunning glade]

True

[shy mulch]

just get to phase 5 and automate them anyway 😛

[cunning siren]

OH dogos grant slugs too? 🤔

[shrewd palm]

yes

[white dawn]

Yeah, I actually really like the automated shard production line

[shy mulch]

My production is making 50/min power shards

[white dawn]

Something about it is quite satisfying to me

[shrewd palm]

when you kill a dogo they give 10 slugs

[cunning glade]

I see I have 2 sinks each at one location I'll take a look in a sec I feel another station would be the easiest

[hard ivy]

I hate its DMR ratios

[rustic hare]

who hurt you

[unkempt blade]

I'm only going to use slugs for MAM unlocks on my current playthrough. I'm making a slug carousel instead of early overclocking 😆

[cunning siren]

I may have had bad experiences with doggos pre 1.0 when they would leave the map after taming 10+ bug now that I recall that 🤔

I've never really "used them"

[white dawn]

Yeah, too much hassle for me

[atomic notch]

Oh really i never bother to look

[shy mulch]

you can net positive the DMR so it doesn't use any SAM though

[shrewd palm]

please dont go around killing doggos i was joking

[cunning siren]

I can see how doggos are addictive though, that old random reinforcement thing again... gamba!

[white dawn]

I've only ever tamed 2 doggos; one back in U3 just to have done it, and one in 1.0 for silly achievement reasons

[hard ivy]

Same with oscillators and they have a much more convenient ratio

[atomic notch]

Remember, no doggo

[lament niche]

@frank anvil are you aware coal power plants should naturally be supplied by trains hauling coal to them from distant mines

[lament niche]

people tame doggos? why

they are like Beans or other hostile creatures, and in need of being put down so that the factory can grow

[upper gale]

Doggo can sorta help factory grow too

[lament niche]

"Standing in the way of Ficsit's goals of Construct, Automate, Explore & Exploit is an overtly hostile act, and as such these creatures must be put down" - Ada

[reef basin]

but you exploit doggos for loot for construction 🤔

[lament niche]

I don't, no

[reef basin]

*can

[unkempt blade]

not very efficient of you

[lament niche]

very inefficient to farm doggos for materials. Far more efficient to kill and build factory on top of their corpse

[naive orchid]

i had like 20 different doggos and they all vanished after i renewed my factory 😭

[abstract heron]

DID I miss jason?

[lament niche]

doggos bad, doggos evil

doggos distract from Ficsit's core pillars of Construct, Automate, Explore & Exploit

[lament niche]

you missed a Jason DM to me, that's all

the other train should never enter the same block as the one that's waiting

because that's how block signals work

[abstract heron]

i am hoping that they add if a pecie of track si already there u can place a train station and it SNAPS to it

[lament niche]

no, they will never implement curved stations unfortunately

[abstract heron]

i mean like if the straghit train track

[cosmic junco]

the moment you add 1 signal, you have to signal the entire network

[unkempt blade]

sounds awfully complicated when you could just use factory carts instead

[normal ruin]

Fellas, I need to thank u/Fine-Theory7187 for making the Stackable Frame Series of blueprints The dang frames are just... so good...!!!

[leaden turret]

wait until ficsmas, farm snowballs, harder to miss @obsidian zodiac with greater quantity of stuff to throw

[abstract heron]

i think they said the Ficmas will be same like last year

due to consoles

[unkempt blade]

unless we can get a doggo sled it's already basically perfect

[abstract heron]

or a ficmas train skin and ik u can paint it green and red

[naive orchid]

make custom trinkets or something

[abstract heron]

on all train stuff 🙂

[lament niche]

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[glad drum]

🎶 I'm dreaming of a spaghetti Christmas Ficsmas 🎶

[cunning siren]

Ooooof, using mah batteries today, rollin super lazy this run

Time to get more geos

[slender quest]

Yeah, more power!

[lament niche]

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[naive orchid]

#screenshots message 😭

[frank anvil]

what u mean xd?

[gaunt anchor]

mans on a trolling campaign

[limpid cairn]

Guys do I make my communication exam about ficsit?

What would I even say there tbh

„Ficsit is a good company because they allow the pioneer to have a 15 min break every day“?

[gaunt anchor]

I recommend doing your communication exam with a topic you know what to say on tbh

[peak wasp]

Is there a way to make the event last forever xD

[dense violet]

change your time on your computer

or get a mod probably

[limpid cairn]

but that seems boring

Last year I did nuclear energy

[gaunt anchor]

That seems like something you wouldn’t fail but that’s just me lol, go ahead

[shy mulch]

The way to decide on a topic for this kind of thing

• Imagine there is a clone of you. You and your clone go out for lunch in a cafe, after 30 minutes, what would the conversation be about. That is the topic you should pick

[limpid cairn]

The com exam lasts for 5 min pretty sure

[shy mulch]

How long the exam lasts isn't relevant to my point. My point is about how to pick the topic

[gaunt anchor]

Creative topics are cool, but the marking professor might think ur pro slavery or something, I highly doubt he be playing satisfactory in his free time

Good luck with that tho

[limpid cairn]

Is there even a topic you can talk about with your clone that lasts 30 minutes ?

[gaunt anchor]

Space, politics, game universes. Lots mate

[shrewd palm]

gonna be using a solid quarter of the oil on the map but ig thats what happens when you do ballistic warp drives

[ionic pivot]

can you make constructors just use whatevers available (wood or leaves) to make biomass, or do i just gotta switch it myself

[shrewd palm]

you have to switch it yourself

one thing you could do is set up a couple different constructors to do biomass with leaves and wood separately

[ionic pivot]

damn it 💔

[dense violet]

have multiple constructors

they only use 0.1mw of power when paused

[ionic pivot]

im already using 4 for biomass because my setup is garbage

and i havent worked out coal power yet

[dense violet]

do you have coal power unlocked?

[shrewd palm]

if you're in the grassy fields theres a lake a little ways to the northwest that has a ton of water and 4 coal nodes

[ionic pivot]

yeah, im just trying to get enough copper roll things

[dense violet]

just hand craft enough to do like a group of 8 coal nodes in the spot Bill is talkign about

[shrewd palm]

and theres also a couple spots like that in the rocky desert if you started there instead

[dense violet]

it'll make your life easier

[gaunt anchor]

3 + ones blocked with a stone that has to be blown up

[west verge]

3* if they are still working on coal power they likely don’t have nobelisks yet for the last one

Yeah what yaku said

[cunning siren]

There is only 3 pure SAM nodes in the game 🤔

Just got Nitro Rocket Fuel OOOOH Yea... power issues are over y'all!

[small notch]

oopsie js accidently put tickets in the sink

[cunning siren]

RIP

[trim vine]

enjoy your ||cyber truck||

[shy mulch]

this is a good thing 😉

[hard ivy]

at least you got an unlock out of the first one lol

[small notch]

i kinda wanted to keep them i dont want a vehicle

[shy mulch]

it's only 1 ticket though, not a big deal 🙂

[lethal scroll]

hey yall, I know I could probably dig through the patch notes for this, but maybe someone is willing to give me a short answer here

I haven't really played satisfactory, nor kept up with it, since about 2 years ago. I think update 5 might have been the last update I was there for?

So - I decided to watch some satisfactory streams, but, from what I can see, the game looks pretty much exactly as I remember it.

So, my question is, could anyone summarise the most major changes and additions that were added between roughly update 5 and current date?

[trim vine]

then dont put tickets in the sink

reload your save if you really dont want it

[hard ivy]

check the update 6, update 7, update 8, 1.0 and 1.1 pages on the wiki

[small notch]

shouldve thought of that

[lethal scroll]

will do, they have a good synopsis there? I just kinda wanna get a quick overview rather than read a novel

[trim vine]

a ton of things, come back and play cause you def havent beaten tier 9/phase 5

[hard ivy]

they should, yeah

[cunning siren]

Oh yea, forgot how handy radar towers are

[rich parrot]

Better to just jump in, play, have fun.

[lethal scroll]

I never got to the nuclear stage in any of my playthroughs then, either. I would always start a new, more efficient playthrough, before that happening. The problem I have is that I like making my factories aesthetically pleasing and fun to navigate as well as functional, the problem is, when nuclear tier is unlocked, all my production changes scale MASSIVELY.

[trim vine]

Phase 4 is an order of magnitude larger and more complex than the previous phases

[trim vine]

But, the key to that is just looking at doing one thing at a time, and not trying to look at a "whole" project, other than having a rough outline of what you want to do

For example, making fused modular frames is a tall order, but if you break it down into just building production lines for the earlier stuff, its easy

USE BLUEPRINTS

[naive orchid]

i dont think so except for the assembly director systems, instead of waiting like 10 minutes for the parts to be done, i had to wait way more than that

[shy mulch]

It's entirely up to you how to play. If you want to just make everything look cool, do that. If you want to make progress, do that. Nobody forces you to do it in a particular way

[lethal scroll]

maybe a different question is, is material storag a thing, now? I remember a system of double containers and a LOT of hidden belts going all around my factory that would gather overflow from every material so I could easily grab it if I needed some for any manual crafts. Is there a better way to do that, now?

like, a way to have a central storage location for each and every material, a la minecraft style

[shy mulch]

Honestly reading the patch notes would be quicker than asking 85 questions and waiting to see all the different answers

[naive orchid]

dimensional depot is really good

you upgrade it with mercer spheres and SAM

[lethal scroll]

oooh that roughly sounds like something I'd really enjoy using

welp off to the wiki i go

[trim vine]

I mean, phase 4 brings mk5 belts, starting the "end" at 600/780:1200 lines of goods

This requires building on larger scales

You also have to make more complex things, which means more logistics and more goods and more complexity and that cycle carries over

[naive orchid]

but you cant make it so it transports items directly to somewhere else

it only transports to your inventory

[lethal scroll]

which wiki is the good one? theres a wiki.gg and a fandom one

[naive orchid]

well, not really...

[hard ivy]

fandom is 2+ years out of date. do not ever use it

[trim vine]

Objectively speaking, if you are automating everything, with zero handfeeding, its an order of magnitude more than the previous previous phases

[lethal scroll]

eyy, thank you, there's always one people prefer with these sorta things, appreciate it

[lament niche]

I MEAN, SHIP YOUR COAL FROM THE MINES TO THE PLANTS ON A TRAIN LIKE A MAN

HOO-RAH!!!

[trim vine]

wiki is king for that

[desert bridge]

i have the final space elevator part automated lol

first time completing the game coming up in about an hour

[lament niche]

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[lethal scroll]

i gotta look up blueprints, I dont think I've experienced working with them before. if they're anything like what I suspect theyll be, imma enjoy them

[hard ivy]

they're a U7 thing. and they've been improved in 1.0 and 1.1

[naive orchid]

dimensional depot is a place next to your inventory that can store up to 5 stacks of all the items you put in the depot. you can upload manually once you unlock that in the MAM, meanwhile there are also uploader containers which you can connect a conveyor belt to. you cannot directly place a storage that would bring items back from the storage, but you can drag them from the depot into your inventory. so i mostly recommend putting in items that cant be used in any way. any item in the depot will also count for building material and crafting bench material. hope this helps and that i didnt flood the chat

[trim vine]

Any and every thing you will build multiple of (iron smelting, constructor set ups/assembler/manufacturer) BPs will save you 1000s of hours to not have to belt and power things each time

[naive orchid]

and i hope im accurate im a first time player

[lethal scroll]

so, the wiki doesnt entirely explain blueprints from start to finish (I assume the game does run you through it though), but

am I safe to assume it's like, you can save a specific build/setup of several machines/walls/belts/etc, up to like, an entire building, and place that entire construction down again, somewhere else?

[trim vine]

Basically

You have an MK1, 2, 3

You cannot load a bp made in MKx into another MK

[naive orchid]

how it looks #screenshots message

[trim vine]

Whatever you build inside the BP designer, clock speed, recipes, etc will carry over when you place it

[lethal scroll]

what do the MKs mean, and whats the differences?

[feral geyser]

Just size

[naive orchid]

mark1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

they get better the higher the number

mark 6 is the last milestone in the game

[lethal scroll]

oh so you build the blueprint, separately, first, then load it in? you cannot turn an existing structure INTO a blueprint, as it were?

[feral geyser]

Mk 1 = 32×32×32
Mk 2 = 40×40×40
Mk 3 = 48×48×48

[cunning siren]

The Zipline tool uses power to move you over the wire yet the Hoverpack can not pull power from the wire 🤔 WTF game? 😆

[naive orchid]

but thats for conveyors, not for blueprints

[feral geyser]

There is no BPD higher than Mk 3

[naive orchid]

f*** 🫡

[trim vine]

no

You build designs in the space of the BP designer, and then a new tab is available in the build menu

[lethal scroll]

I see. and at which point roughly do you unlock blueprints for the first time?

[feral geyser]

Tier 3 i think?

[trim vine]

I personally recommend downloading a mod called Early BP designer by Gohla

It gives you access to the MK3 early on, which I prefer so I can just use the MK3 from the start

[lethal scroll]

tier three is steel, pipes and stuff, iirc, right?

[naive orchid]

build a blueprint designer, then build something in it, save the blueprint and then you can build the blueprint (cost same as putting everything seperately

[trim vine]

Each BP designer, in mine and many others opinion, comes an entire phase too late

[naive orchid]

turbo motors and stuff idk

[desert bridge]

i always thought that nuclear pasta was radioactive and it scared me from doing it lmao

but its just copper and frames...

[feral geyser]

Yes, it is in Tier 4, which unlocks same time as T3

[hard ivy]

that's tier 8, not 3/4

[feral geyser]

just copper and frames lmao

[lethal scroll]

the thing is, I dont like tearing my factory down each time I go up a tier, so I'd like to know when I can move from fully impermanent factory setups to some semblance of permanent setup (as in, when can I start putting makeup on my factory, sort of)

I like GOOD looking and easy to navigate factories

[hard ivy]

I do that around refineries

[naive orchid]

btw it costs Neural-Quantum Processors

Fused Modular Frames

Time Crystals

and FICSITE Trigons

[lethal scroll]

by the way, did we get a lot more cosmetic options for windows, walkways, stairs, beams, etc, since update 5? I love all the little detailing stuff

oh and lights

factories used to be SO dark at night

[tidal flame]

just got back to the game after a 5 month of exams should i continue with my old save or should i make a new save 76h on the game btw

[lethal scroll]

even with the update 5 lights

[lament niche]

yes, some

[lament niche]

new save

[tidal flame]

what place on the map?

[rich parrot]

Early game can be tedious. Better to just continue the old save IMO

[lament niche]

save place as always, Pinkie! WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER ROCKY DESERT!

[lethal scroll]

aah, I should be focussing on job searching rn, but the autistic drive to create is REALLY eager to install satisfactory again 💀

I shouldn't even be here in the first place, I should be coding shit

[lament niche]

he's coming back after 5 months after not playing much at all, he should start a new save

[cunning siren]

The r.HDR.EnableHDROutput 1 console command helps make that even more pretty if you have an HDR display

[rich parrot]

Why? He could just pick a new area and build a new factory there. The old place will provide materials.

[lethal scroll]

I always start a new save. I don't like returning to old saves for reasons other than visiting my old factories

[tidal flame]

i think so to i forgot every thing

[lament niche]

No. that's literally more effort than just starting a new save, Even adds extra steps.

[cunning siren]

And yes, game was dark pre 1.0

Kinda miss it

[tidal flame]

why is the game so dark

[rich parrot]

What? How could it be more effort? At 76 hours he must have all kinds of things automated that he would have to redo in a new save.

[hard ivy]

I just use SkyUI for permaday

[cunning siren]

Maybe setting lighting Mood to Dark will change things 🤔

[lament niche]

with his experience, and the fact he only had 3 days of playtime BEFORE going on a 5 month break, he needs to start over, as he doesn't remember anything. He's even admitted as such

[lethal scroll]

i posted one of my old building designs in the #screenshots channel. I seem to have less saved screenshots than I thought, tho

I like overdesigning the buildings hehe

using pipes as decorative elements, even

[tall plover]

Is there any way to disable fog? ive googled but opening the console doesnt work for me

[hard ivy]

r.fog 0

[tall plover]

now read the last part again

[lament niche]

reading is hard

[rich parrot]

It still sounds a bit silly to start a new save. You could just explore the old factory for ten minutes and be like "oh, now I remember". Then either continue with that or migrate to another area.

[hard ivy]

I didn't read it the first time tbh

[lethal scroll]

how to disable brain fog

[lament niche]

it may be a different key on your keyboard

[hard ivy]

do you have a non-US keyboard layout?

[tall plover]

do have a german keyboard so its definitly different

but couldnt find it trying everything

[lament niche]

or he could do it in a new save, not fuck up his factory, and then return once he remembers

with only 3 days of playtime in a save, he won't have much automated anyways

[hard ivy]

yeah, iirc unreal doesn't tolerate other keyboard layouts sometimes

I think you have to go to some config file to change it from ~ to something else?

[lament niche]

you may need to program a macro

[tall plover]

with 4 days of playtime i finished the game

It wasnt very nice to look at but you can definitly do alot in 4 days

[lament niche]

he's not a speedrunner.

[tall plover]

aight ill look into it, thanks

[tall plover]

neither am i, that was on my first playthrough

[lament niche]

x to doubt

[tall plover]

I can send you the save if you wanna see 🤷‍♂️

[lament niche]

"near world record pace on first playthrough"

[tall plover]

that is not world record pace

[lament niche]

I said near

[tall plover]

not even close

[lament niche]

l2r

[unkempt blade]

the 0->10000 factory carts speedrun is the only one that matters anymore

[west verge]

I mean that doesn’t sound crazy, my first ever save I’m only at 35 ish hrs and I’m almost to phase 4

[hard ivy]

yeah, 4 days is 12x slower than the WR

not even close indeed

[lament niche]

wait till you try to do phase 4 and 5

[unkempt blade]

all the package-based speedrunning is just for beginners getting ready to cartmax their next run

[lament niche]

package?

[unkempt blade]

ya the elevator

[hard ivy]

meanwhile, I'm at 120h and didn't even complete P4 yet

[west verge]

I’m terrified phase 3 has already required me to tear down everything due to inefficiency 😭

Positive note though I just got to 3GW of power so (woohoo)

[lament niche]

phase*

[hard ivy]

*package

in speedrunning terms at least

[cunning siren]

Have you ever seen anything so full of splendor? 🤔

[lament niche]

*phase 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

There isn't a single package there

[hard ivy]

https://www.speedrun.com/satisfactory

idk what you're even arguing about

it's called package in speedrunning

[unkempt blade]

they're just a contrarian from what I've seen 😆

but speed running terminology aside, package% is just a warmup for cartmaxing which is the important point

[tall plover]

the line between ragebaiting and being stupid is incredibly thin

sometimes you cant tell what is what

[lament niche]

#screenshots message yeah, not even the game itself calls it a "package"

[hard ivy]

it's called package in speedrunning

[lament niche]

stop making things up, 1.0er

[hard ivy]

literally 3rd time I'm saying this