satisfactory

[boreal musk]

hold the crouch button

[versed mesa]

And theres animals near by

Ive needed to step away just to get health up

[boreal musk]

can always use ranged weapon to kill hatchers

u can hit it with rebar while crouching so it doesnt spawns the small bees

[versed mesa]

I do have rebar

I'll retry in a few moments

@boreal musk thanks ive done it

[limpid cairn]

why use ranged weapon then theres a gas

[hexed phoenix]

Cuz Guns that shoot Boom Boom is equal Fun

[plucky plank]

why are my water extractors not extracting anything, they are placed on 'deep water' and have pipes coming out of them

and yes they have power

[limpid cairn]

check if pipe is fuel, check if the water extractor is full, they usually have a small start up time

same as miners

[plucky plank]

the light at the top is red even though they are on power

and when i open it it doesnt say no power

[limpid cairn]

the powerpole its connected to doesnt have power

[plucky plank]

it does

[limpid cairn]

did you connect the extractor to another extractor maybe?

[sterile blade]

And jump and fly too

[plucky plank]

nope they are all going into a junction

[limpid cairn]

i meant the power cables not the pipes

[plucky plank]

nope the power lin es are all connected to an extractor

could it be the depth of the water ?

[boreal musk]

jetpack with lbf + homing rifle, my fav combo to decimate entire titan forest

[limpid cairn]

nope

the depth doesnt matter unless you cant place the extractor

[plucky plank]

i have no idea what the issue is

[limpid cairn]

send a screenshot into #screenshots

[scarlet storm]

why tf do my train tracks stay red regardless of how many or what type of signal i put down smh

[steady glade]

is the track really flat?

[dense violet]

might be too close

[boreal musk]

does you power poles connected to main power?

[plucky plank]

yes 100%

[boreal musk]

check again

[plucky plank]

i just checked

[boreal musk]

if its connected to power, its always yellow or green

[plucky plank]

im reopening my game

[scarlet storm]

no its on a hill and its intersecting like 4 times

[scarlet storm]

the sign says signal loops into itself

without even having a sign down the whole track is red right here

[dense violet]

you could show overhead images of how close your rails are to each other and show the signal block colours? but I have to go cuddle my rats now . Other rail nerds can help I'm sure

[scarlet storm]

kk ill post in help

[sand orchid]

Hello o/ I have a little question. Is it possible to off the hub music from the event? It was fun on the first hour of gameplay but still comes more and more annoying on long time.

[limpid cairn]

somewhere in the settings

[dense violet]

I'm really impressed how annoyed people are about this music considering you can barely hear it once you leave the room

[limpid cairn]

i assume theyre still in the tier where you handcraft 90% of the items

@stray herald how many coupons did you use to get to phase 5?

[small notch]

Can you burn compacted coal

I assume you can

[limpid cairn]

yes

[crystal siren]

you can either put it in coal generators or create turbofuel with it

[limpid cairn]

guys, i killed a bean

[crystal siren]

straight to jail

[silk rose]

'good people don't end up here'

[unreal plover]

I have a question

Do anyone know where is water 😭 ? Have been looking for like 2 hours in game and I don't find anything

[crystal siren]

did you start in the grasslands?

[unreal plover]

yes

[limpid cairn]

Press m, usually the blue stuff is water

[crystal siren]

there are just a few small water sources, yes. But there is a lake nearby to the northwest or you could go to the sea in the west

[unreal plover]

Thank you both

I didn't knew there was a map, I play on controller

[boreal musk]

Water is a somewhat reflective liquid and it may have thick vegetation growing nearby.
To test if something is Water, try touching it. If it is not solid and does not corrode your suit, it is probably Water.

[peak wasp]

hi all!
for wire, copper wire, is best use standard recipe or alternative with caterium?

i not know in late game if caterium is used or not

[crystal siren]

caterium is the more rare resource

used in late-game recipes

so better not waste it (depends on how much of the world you even need later though)

[peak wasp]

oky perfect, thanks ^^

[boreal musk]

it really depends on the recipe u are going to use

you can either use more quartz less caterium or more caterium less quartz

especially when youre doing electronic items

[peak wasp]

oh oky

[limpid cairn]

ada, is that you?

[shy mulch]

In my experience there's plenty caterium, it's one of the last things I'd worry about running out of

[limpid cairn]

i killed another bean

[dim adder]

I just got back into this game today and am really set on getting further than I did before, I am so scared though😅 but I am really excited. I just finished Project Assembly 1 after 7 hours and after I told myself about 3hours ago that I would go to bed.

I also whipped out a new notebook so I can do all the maths and plan everything properly 😅

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys I got a big issue and I need your help.

Whenever I see a Beryl Nut, I go grab it.

Now you might say, whats wrong. Whats wrong is I got like 2k of it stored already.

But whenever I see that nut, I go get it. How do I stop this?

Thank you in advance. Much appreciate your time.

[reef glacier]

ficsit awesome sink go brrrrrr

[mortal ginkgo]

you cant put them into sink

[reef glacier]

oh

that is a problem

[shy mulch]

I did the same for a while I've got a lot stored but just try to ignore them now

[mortal ginkgo]

You now understand the grave situation I am in.

[small notch]

Is molded beam better for value then normal steel beam

[tall lantern]

like most alts, depends what resources you have to hand

there's always tradeoffs

[mortal ginkgo]

you get more steel out by using more limestone and power, which are abundant so I say its a win.

[tall lantern]

(though with some recipes people neglect said tradeoffs)

[mortal ginkgo]

if you have them closeby and you want to do something more efficient, sure.

[small notch]

I don’t like concrete tbh but I also don’t like giving 60 steel for 15 beams

[dense violet]

gotta decide what's better for you at the time 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah beams look rather expensive, however they are less used by products and more used for building stuff

so it is not bad as much as it looks like

steel pipes on the other hand are in demand by almost everything and my mom

[small notch]

Yh tbf I would prob be ok with just 15 beams per min then the 90 I’m making rn

[dense violet]

you can also replace beams with pipes for encased pipes

[small notch]

Iron pipes are easy top 5 alts imo

[small notch]

Yh I’ve done that too

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, iron is abundant anyway so just yolo

[dense violet]

easy but it fucking chews through iron.

[small notch]

Yh

Good job I’m in a place with a lot of it

I don’t mind making some sub factories for ingots anyways

[unkempt blade]

and you can break out the pure iron later and get just an absurd amount of ingots for a node when you have power for all the refineries

[versed mesa]

Need help with my oil rig setup please

The machine is not making plastic it make 200 amd then none more could anyone tell me why this is please ?

For the power am running 3 Bio gens

[unkempt blade]

default plastic recipe?

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[unkempt blade]

1. it's not getting power at some point (you ran out of biofuel?)
2. it's not getting oil at some point (maybe related to power too)
3. there's nowhere for the plastic output to go, add some storage or something
4. there's nowhere for the heavy oil residue to go, try flushing the pipes and see if it starts up again

if it's not one of those problems then I'm stumped too 😆

[versed mesa]

Ah hold on what with heavy oil ?

[unkempt blade]

crude oil goes in => plastic and HOR comes out - so if either output becomes full it'll stop the production until there's room for it to go somewhere

[dense violet]

look at the machines making plastic,

[versed mesa]

Right

[dense violet]

easiest way to manage it is probalby to turn it to petro coke and sink it

[versed mesa]

Its say 50 heavy oil

[unkempt blade]

yeah I think that's "full"

turning it into petro coke like Cobalt suggested is what I'd normally do too

[versed mesa]

Hiw do I make it u full?

[dense violet]

the HOR fills itself. It's a byproduct

[unkempt blade]

click the pipe section for the output and flush the network (temporary solution) or turn it into something else

[versed mesa]

Ok let me try something a min

I flushed it and still shows 50

[dense violet]

it'll refill

Connect the output to another system that will process the HOR into another material.

[versed mesa]

Should I add a valve to the pipe?

[dense violet]

no

[unkempt blade]

if you want to test it out you can do a pipe from the output to a liquid buffer and see if it keeps running

that's not a permanent fix but it'll give it room to run for a few minutes to see if it works

[versed mesa]

Ok ive choosed to craft something else

Why do I have to keep changing it when it's full why can't it just keep making plastic ?

[ebon marsh]

@grand dew

[grand dew]

what?

[grand dew]

what/

[dense violet]

while you make plastic, you also make heavy oil residue.
you need to find a permanent solution

what is it you do not understand about that?

[ebon marsh]

i accedentaly removed u

[dense violet]

look at the recipe. It says right on it that it makes both Plastic and Heavy oil residue

[ebon marsh]

accept my friend request

[versed mesa]

I see that but how can I turn just heavy into something else?

Like I have storage units fir plastic to go to

[dense violet]

look at your recipes, there are recipes that use HOR

[versed mesa]

Ok

[versed mesa]

So i do have to keep switching to craft something else when it's full

[shy mulch]

just don't let it get full, send the output to something else that processes it

[versed mesa]

So hiw can I extract heavy oil while still crafting plastic ?

[shy mulch]

there are multiple outputs on the machine

[versed mesa]

Hold on kettle me show picture or 2

[shy mulch]

I'm guessing from the context you have a refinery and are sending crude oil into the input
That produces plastic and heavy oil residue
If either of those outputs gets full and has nowhere to go, production will stop
You need a conveyor to take the plastic away and a pipe to take the residue away
Both need to go somewhere so they never get full

[versed mesa]

Ah i think i know now

[shy mulch]

If you don't want to do anything with the residue, you can put it into a refinery to make into petroleum coke then send that to the sink
Or if you prefer, you can send the residue to a refinery to make fuel which you can send into a fuel generator

[limpid cairn]

||you start to touch deez nuts ||

[versed mesa]

Ok i think I understand abit more now

[mortal ginkgo]

Mods. This is him yes. He is the one telling the TRUTH. And you know what you need to do to such people.

[versed mesa]

So ill just do that then send heavy oil else where

[dusky plume]

you should probably make fuel with it, and burn it for power

but you can send it elsewhere too... just suggesting that you make power where you can when you can

[versed mesa]

Really I dont know hiw tido yet

[dusky plume]

it's not too bad, just place a few refineries in a row for now

but once you understand more, try to place several refineries side by side to do the same thing

[light wasp]

anybody wants to play normal save? (mic witch bad English and play for fun)

[versed mesa]

Ah i was about to ask should I just build another refinery

[dusky plume]

I'll step you through it as you need if you want, but it's extract, refine into plastic/rubber, take the oil residue into another refiner level for fuel, then take that into a fuel generator. take it step by step and explore each thing yada yada

you'll have to play with balancing, like combine 2 or 3 oil extractors to a single pipe system, run that pipe parallel to like, 5 or 6 refineries for plastic, rubber, both

then run all of those to 2 or so refineries for fuel,

[shy mulch]

Best way to learn is to just do it and see
You could ask here all day and get multiple explanations and walkthroughs
But just build a refinery and build another refinery, connect them with a pipe and just get a feel for it
WIll be 100x easier and faster for you to learn that way

[dusky plume]

yup just dooo ittttt

it'll be fiiiine

[shy mulch]

The majority of things that get asked here are people who imagine something is complicated so they ask for information about it before trying it, but it's actually very simple

[versed mesa]

Your right I think it's just about time for me to go sleep soon rest my head lol

[shy mulch]

What time is it for you

[dusky plume]

lol, it's more that the brain is overwhelmed stacking new information and trying to tie it together maybe? It's like this game finds that uncomfortable spot somehow for everyone

[versed mesa]

12.53pm ive been awake since yesterday evening

Around 10pm

[green fiber]

most of the time if you unlock stuff too quickly you'll have a hard time understanding everything properly

[dusky plume]

too true

[versed mesa]

Your right

Mind you crafting alot of stuff manually i believe ive not rushed it for completing 2 phases

[green fiber]

yeah if you craft most stuff manually you end up underprepared

[light wasp]

anybody wants to play normal save? (mic witch bad English and play for fun)

[green fiber]

because you cannot keep up handcrafting your way through everything

[versed mesa]

Lol

Ok i think I just about understand it now

So one refinery is crafting plastic and 2nd is crafting Coke

[shy mulch]

yes

[daring stag]

sup men, is there a 1.2 in the work or is satisfactory "done"?

[dense violet]

what Wasist said

[mighty rivet]

the spaghetti is getting out of control i think i will just ficsit 👍

[unkempt blade]

trim spaghetti and replace it with factory carts!

[hard ivy]

They have confirmed that 1.2 is a thing that'll happen. Haven't said anything more though

[unkempt blade]

Mk2 Factory Cart when?!?!

[twilit tinsel]

I finally unlocked mk 6 belts after 185 hours on one save and 550 total on saves that never got past phase 3 ❤️‍🩹

[daring stag]

man I finished everything including achievements on my first save but wish I didn't. I'd have played longer with multiple saves

[twilit tinsel]

no like 11 year old me did not know what i was doing so i just restarted i was only on like steel i think but i restarted like 3 times in total

[unkempt blade]

Now you have to build your own achievement! The joy of sandbox games

[daring stag]

I'm achievement driven

[dusky plume]

I don't think I'll ever beat the game... going for 5000 hours on one world lol

[daring stag]

they need to add 200 new achievements

[shy mulch]

the space elevator is considered by many to BE the tutorial. My first save I completed it ages ago, I've put another 700 hours on this save since I completed it. Just do things and have fun

[daring stag]

I see, I used to play like that when I was younger (sim city 4), but these days I need checkboxes to be checked

[shy mulch]

If that's what makes you happy. Play the game whatever way you want

[unkempt blade]

The satis achivements mostly just track the progress of the game. There aren't really any that are super difficult or chase achievements the way some other games have

[daring stag]

yeah that's a pity

[mighty rivet]

maybe when i get tier 9 i will use a mk3 miner and mk6 conveyor and wrap it around the whole world 😮

[daring stag]

the only "hard" achievement is the golden nut statue

I wanted achievements like "have a power output of 500GW" or something

[twilit tinsel]

im gonna make a 15600 iron ingot/m factory next :3

[mighty rivet]

for now i am semi-skipping tier 2 for coal and then i will remake my whole factory to be no spaghetti, i have learned a lot from my other saves (tier 6 and onwards)

[unkempt blade]

Yeah that's what I mean when I say design your own

or do vanity projects like a global train or something

[dusky plume]

are there mods that force you to build no clip factories or anything? like, a hardmode instead of quality of life mod?

[daring stag]

I've heard there are "hard mode" mods but not sure of the specifics

[shy mulch]

The factory I'm working on right now will get me a golden nut statue every 55 hours if I've done my calculations right

[daring stag]

could be cool to play that in coop maybe yea

[unkempt blade]

then self-imposed limit I've been suggesting for people is to roll a dice when picking what recipes to build instead of picking the "best one"

[dusky plume]

or beat the game on controller? lol unless u already did

[shy mulch]

There's also mods that make the game a lot more complicated, if that's your bag

[leaden turret]

@balmy kiln is it feasible for SCIM to have community achievements?

[twilit tinsel]

i need to like automate things i still havent even gotten like fused modular frames automated or almost any phase 3 thing

[daring stag]

I started playing the game on controller actually. but when I saw all the keyboard/mouse tricks, it was impossible to go back

[daring stag]

yeah but kinda meaningless I think because you can just edit your savefile imo

[shy mulch]

Try completing the space elevator while only using biomass burners for power 😄

[dusky plume]

I need the spooky factory mod that's some sort of ficsit themed dungeon crawl to fight off radioactive stinger infestations

[daring stag]

I think playing the game in coop could be nice but for it to work like a mmo you need a 24/7 server I understood

[mighty rivet]

is there only a limited amount of fuel for biomass burners? or does it regenerate?

[leaden turret]

you can't edit your save file to magically say it produces 500gw, it actually has to have infrastructure to produce 500gw

[daring stag]

like 4 players, one start in each biome. and you trade etc. that sounds fun. and server always up

[leaden turret]

creature parts are renewable because creatures respawn, trees etc. do not

[daring stag]

and rocket parts needed are multiplied by 16 or smth

[mighty rivet]

oh i forgot about that lol this giant hog keeps on killing me so i got it trapped and hit it with a stick

[dusky plume]

....Satis...faCataan?

[mighty rivet]

it dropped like a few remains which i used to power my biomass burners, uh oh im running low on fuel!!!!

[sour vessel]

reject biofuel, embrace coal! pollute the planet!

[mighty rivet]

should i go for compacted coal for power or just normal coal? i am near a lake and 3 pure coal nodes (near rocky desert spawn)

[spiral summit]

why does the saturation crank the hell up in the spire coast

[weak dragon]

hi guys I got a little dog hours ago, got some materials but now the dog disappeared idk where it is. I think it was bugged in the ground, what should I do now ? It can respawn ?

[mighty rivet]

that happened to me once i couldnt find him again

[digital basalt]

So, How Many Mercer Spheres Do You Need?

If you're using 1 Mercer Sphere per item (as a label or marker above a small container, like an item trophy depot), then:

Storage Goal Spheres Needed
Mobile Utility Kit (~80 items) 80 Mercer Spheres
All Useful Items (~120 items) 120 Mercer Spheres
Full Game Coverage (~160 items) 160 Mercer Spheres

is this right? trying to get a central storage going

[weak dragon]

I think i'll reload a save because he miss me

[mighty rivet]

ok

[sour vessel]

Don't forget the sphere cost for the research

[digital basalt]

i already know abvout that. i was just asking pure storage related

im keeping track of the ones used already for research that is do

[mighty rivet]

on the wiki it says for mk.1 pure node of coal being mined you need 3 water extractors on 100%, and 8 coal generators but 3 * 120 is 360 which is more then the 300m3/min that the mk.1 pipes can handle do i need to do 1.5 water extractors and 4 coal generators?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[dense violet]

easy begginer coal layouts to overcome the 300 limit

also don't calculate by 'node' , do the numbers.

you'll appreciate it later

[mighty rivet]

like 360 coal/min, 9 extractors, 24 coal generators?

[dense violet]

360 water per min to 8 coal generators that need 120 coal pm

[mighty rivet]

thanks

[dense violet]

do 3x groups of those

[dense violet]

whenever possible, keep fluid systems in smaller chunks on their own. Makes managing them much easier

[dusky plume]

run multiple pipes! there's several ways, but simple and clean and obey gravity should work

[mighty rivet]

and loop them around

[dense violet]

often the manifolds benefit from looping when you're using high flow with mk2 pipes

not always, but often

[mighty rivet]

time to manually craft everything needed for tier 3 - coal power

[upbeat charm]

Wait so I can't grab the doggo from other biome to add near my house?

[leaden turret]

gotta build a cage for tamed doggos

[shy mulch]

I feel like I'm lazy not properly automating it. But I've just lined up a manufacturer to make iodine filters and put storages in front of it to feed the items. There's enough in the input storages to make 7000 filters. That'll be enough forever, right?

[upbeat charm]

I mean other 7 doggos from same biome still there

but the new one disappear

[shy mulch]

Make sure the area you're keeping them is blocked off sufficiently. They are good at escaping through tiny holes in the ground and walls

[vague flame]

Can someone tell me why the entry signals for one block need to be the same? I don't see why a junction cant have both block and path signals?

[shy mulch]

The way path planning and priority is calculated, it only makes sense if all entries to the junction are paths

If there is a way into the junction that doesn't involve going through a path signal, then none of the path signals can function

[dusky plume]

imagine it like the block is a night club and you brought in security, they have to cover all entrances to ensure coverage!

[shy mulch]

It's a lot easier to manage at the other end if each item has a different carriage. Whether or not you have all the cars on the same train is up to how you want to manage things

[limpid cairn]

small trains

[spiral summit]

if youre using every single node does it even matter 🥀

[peak wasp]

i have a vertical pipe mk2 who trasport water, from ground to sky (around 70-80m). I not understand why the last
last section of the pipe no recive water, ever if i add a pump

[shy mulch]

yes, if you have one long train it will have to stop more, so you'll need extra carriages to maintain throughput
1 train with 40 carriages that stops at 10 different nodes to load, will have less throughput than 10 trains with 4 carriages each

[hard ivy]

That 1 train would have to have like 100 wagons

[fluid sapphire]

Unless you are spending a lot of time constantly in radiation, probably

[hard ivy]

1 train per node cluster makes the most sense

Plus separate trains and stations for each resource

[fluid sapphire]

Me out here with usually 1 train per node xd

[shy mulch]

but... reads your name checks out

[spiral summit]

obviously, but with the ridiculous amount of resource youll be carrying youll probably be able to arrive in time

split trains are obviously just more convenient because they arrive to the dropoff more frequently

[shy mulch]

dropping off more frequently isn't just a nice to see thing, it's practical, because you don't need to store as big a buffer
if your factory is using 30k ores per minute and your train takes 30 minutes to do a full loop of all your stations before dropping off, you need a lot of storages to make sure your factory isn't running dry

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message 🫡

[mighty dew]

@open bramble

[spiral summit]

there is a secret benefit to really long trains: ||theyre pretty ||

[peak wasp]

i have a vertical pipe mk2 who trasport water, from ground to sky (around 70-80m). I not understand why the last
last section of the pipe no recive water, ever if i add a pump

sorry reply

[shrewd palm]

mk2 pumps only do 50m of headlift

so you'll need another one

[upper gale]

Try making a post in #1038092680493801533 and add images of your setup

[peak wasp]

i use mk1 pump but i add multiple in the vertical track

[peak wasp]

oky thanks

[shrewd palm]

also one thing i've noticed since 1.1 is that sometimes pumps wont work because the bottom pipe bugs out

[spiral summit]

if you check the ui of a pump, it can tell you if its not producing enough headlift

[shrewd palm]

so just replace that

[spiral summit]

i think if the headlift needle reaches the orange region it means you need another pump

[versed mesa]

Am trying to refine polymer resin but for some reason the 4 m fuel is not going to the other refiner then into storage where Coke is in

What would yous say my issue is there ?

[dusky plume]

for some reason i assumed you meant to heightlimit

[sterile blade]

I'd ask you to reword it because I can't make sense of what you wrote 😅

[versed mesa]

For real i am speaking English as well lmfao

[dusky plume]

🙃

[shy mulch]

I'm trying to understand the question tbh. Share what recipes your 2 refineries are using and how they are connected

[dusky plume]

you're taking oil into first refiner, makin fuel a resin... but the fuel wont leave? show pic

[versed mesa]

Ok ill post in screenshots

[peak wasp]

i do the post ^^

[silk rose]

any way to disable music in hub????

[scenic mirage]

what happened to my railway? i used scim to align everything to the world grid and i just realized this happened?
#screenshots message

[versed mesa]

@shy mulch ive posted them

[dusky plume]

there's no oil going in that machine...

[sterile blade]

For the love of Ficsit, please learn how to take screenshots on your device (wether you're on desktop or mobile, it's quite handy)

[versed mesa]

Witch one

[hard ivy]

what did you expect?

[scenic mirage]

😭 not that

[sterile blade]

Picture 2

[hard ivy]

it's about what I'd expect. I am surprised it didn't rotate the foundations too

[shy mulch]

Not sure what the first picture is meant to show, that's a storage not a refinery
But the second one clearly has no oil going into it

[dusky plume]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[versed mesa]

But picture one that one i have oil going into to craft polymer but abd trying to get the fuel to over to 2nd refiner and it's nit happening

[shy mulch]

Look at your first picture again. It's not a refinery. That's a storage container

[versed mesa]

Sorry my bad made mistake fir refinery 1 pic

@shy mulch ok sorted it niw take a look

[dusky plume]

I would assume that refiner one has no oil input pipe and refiner 2 has no fuel out pipe

[shy mulch]

So you've got 2 refineries set up the same, but one is getting oil and the other isn't
Look at your pipes

[versed mesa]

It does and shows oli there waiting

[dusky plume]

if refiner 2 does have a fuel output pipe, you need to make sure it's properly connected to a fuel burning generator and make sure that generator is burning enough fuel to clear the system

[versed mesa]

But i dont want the other one to get oil am trying to flush this fuel over

[dusky plume]

you might have to delete and replace it... sometimes things don't work too well when you move a bunch of things

[shy mulch]

what does that mean? I don't understand the question now. I thought you were trying to get the 2nd refinery to work
What are you actually trying to do

[versed mesa]

Ok look at Refinery 1 you see that light blue it shows its at 48 so that stopping polymer from creating so I am trying to flush it over through refiney 2 but its not working

Unless maybe i still need the single blueprint Fuel on its own just like Coke

[dusky plume]

ok

both of your refineries are making fuel

you need to send the output pipes to a generator to burn the fuel off

the crude oil goin in? you can't just flush it over from one refiner to the other

you need to figure out how to pump crude oil through the pipes effectively from the oil extractor

[versed mesa]

Its not the oil it's other fuel the image thats like gold capsule

[shy mulch]

That's not how it works. The fuel is an output. You can only send that to something that has fuel as an input. Those refineries take crude oil as input, not fuel

[dusky plume]

Yes. that's fuel

send that to a generator

with a pipe

[versed mesa]

What a coal generator

[shy mulch]

A fuel generator

[dusky plume]

u... didn't unlock it yet did you

go check ur hub for the power generation tier

[versed mesa]

Or crap

[dusky plume]

take all ur plastic and rubber

lmao

i'm dying

[versed mesa]

Yeah i think your right lmfao

[dusky plume]

I LOVE THIS GAME

[versed mesa]

I did not know about fuel generator I think i had seen it but forgotten about it

Maybe ill be better when am rested lol

[shy mulch]

Another way to get rid of fuel is to make empty containers with plastic, then combine the empty containers with the fuel to make packaged fuel, then you can send that to the awesome sink

But it makes more sense just to send it to a fuel generator, cos that way you're not wasting plastic and you get more power

[dusky plume]

you'll need to unlock the packager

it makes more sense to burn it

[zenith pecan]

Considering the power generation opportunity, why not use the fuel.

[shy mulch]

Exactly. Just throwing other options out there

[versed mesa]

Em I think i unlocked it many minutes ago the packager

[dusky plume]

it's like a cult in here... BUUUURN the wittttttch

[feral geyser]

Don't package and sink fuel, wtf

[shy mulch]

I LOVE WASTE

[zenith pecan]

Understandable, packaged fuel for jetpack & vehicles is an alternative, especially if automating vehicle loops.

[dusky plume]

FIGHT

ur right. import coal, and sulfur, and sink smokless pow

[versed mesa]

Well with the fuel I was hoping tido the same as what I did with Coke fir that to get sent into a unit from refinery 2 after it's crafted

[feral geyser]

Bruh, you all disgust me

[unreal hollow]

did they add other gear like the blade runners you can find in the lizard cave anywhere else on the map?

[versed mesa]

What is your issue ?

[shy mulch]

Have you considered sinking packaged ionized fuel?

[dusky plume]

hee hee they just playin

[feral geyser]

So much waste

[dusky plume]

i'm gonna build a gagillion screws with three pure nodes, ship them by train across the desert, and sink em

screw you and ur puppies and kittens

[shy mulch]

it's actually a travesty that you only get 5k points for sinking ionized fuel

[feral geyser]

Heh, screw

[versed mesa]

@dusky plume @shy mulch so I can't get fuel crafted and sent to a storage unit because thats what am trying todo because am wanting to craft polymer resin

[dusky plume]

you have to make plastic, make containers, place a packager

[shy mulch]

you can store it if you want, but package it first, liquids can't go in normal storages

[feral geyser]

Or use fluid buffers

[dusky plume]

run a pipe to the packager, insert the containers. or feed with constructor making containers

[shy mulch]

fluid buffers are from the 7th circle of hell

[feral geyser]

You are only using them for storage until you can burn the fuel, right?

[versed mesa]

Where do I place packager ?

[dusky plume]

yeah. just flush it. can u drag any fluid to inv trash or just water

ummm

place a packager on the same level as the refiner ??

or on the ground?

it's like a constructor, but with one fluid one solid in, one fluid one solid out

[shy mulch]

I'm curious, have you been handcrafting everything to get this far? How do you get to tier 5 without learning how to connect 2 machines in seires

[versed mesa]

Ok i just come off now and go have a sleep now

[versed mesa]

Yeah ive been working bench crafting all to phase 2 and I finish phase 2 now eventually phase 3 needs doing

[naive orchid]

im still handcrafting radio control units in phase 8

[dense violet]

why do you hate yourself?

[shy mulch]

the game progresses in such a way that it encourages you to automate stuff, each step gets a tiny bit more complex, if you automate as you go you learn how it all works and each step is a very easy thing to learn to build on what you already know
if you've only been handcrafting and not learned to string stuff together, you're only making it exponentially harder for yourself as you progress upwards

[feral geyser]

Tbf, I've finished the game and never fully automated Turbo Motors

[versed mesa]

Woah phase 6 lol

[naive orchid]

and all the project assembly parts arent automated they are all temporary for when i need them

[feral geyser]

I still don't have a turbo motor factory.

[shy mulch]

I'm unhappy if I'm not automating things fast enough, need to keep scaling up

[versed mesa]

I believe the info went past my head and I dont even remember it helping me even lol

[naive orchid]

yo what do i do while waiting for all my modular engines to make thermal propulsion rockets

[shy mulch]

automate something else, or go collect things

[feral geyser]

Alien hunting

Get some remains for DNA points

[naive orchid]

im searching for somersloops and i might just give up

feels like i collected all of them

[feral geyser]

Don't do that (give up)

You might find spheres, or slugs, or aliens for remains

[shy mulch]

how many have you collected

[naive orchid]

every single somersloop in the blue crater lake and close to that

every single somersloop in the northern forest

[feral geyser]

There are like, 100+

[shy mulch]

there's 106 🙂

[naive orchid]

i didnt collect all there are 106

but it just feels like it

i searched all around the world

[feral geyser]

You could go setting up radar towers

It'll help you know how many are left and narrow them down a bit

[shy mulch]

if you consider SCIM to be ok to use, then just look them up on that, some people would see that as "cheating"
otherwise, use radar towers

[feral geyser]

Also help you find any last few hard drives.

[versed mesa]

In the mean time am off to my bed to get some rest later i should be way better hopefully

[naive orchid]

i mean cool and all but idk if it gonna help locate them

[feral geyser]

It does, cuz you know to search within that circle.

[versed mesa]

Thanks for trying to help me guy ill be back again later for more help lol

[naive orchid]

oh yeah they require power

[feral geyser]

Minor issue, you have power towers

[versed mesa]

Am guessing with Coke you can use as Coal in a coal generator right?

[feral geyser]

Yes

It burns coke at 25/min (same water use)

[versed mesa]

But ill still have to get water going into it still so good job and next to the ocean now

[feral geyser]

Yes

Which is why residual fuel will ultimately be better

[versed mesa]

Nice

[feral geyser]

You can put it into a fuel gen and get more power out of the HOR and also without needing water

[versed mesa]

Sweet

Maybe later i should redo my refiners and have them in a line side by side

[hidden sparrow]

#screenshots message yea

[rocky rock]

Are there any feedback channels in here that the developers actually monitor?

[versed mesa]

How long you been playing for

[limpid cairn]

is it worth to use both inputs for trains btw?

as long as you also use both outputs

[shy mulch]

if you need the throughput, then yes

[manic topaz]

oops

[versed mesa]

I was going ask something but it dont matter lol

[rocky rock]

I started a satisfactory playthrough for 1.1 and I'm remembering how bad of a start the grassy fields are

[versed mesa]

Can I see your guys oil set ups please

[limpid cairn]

the start isnt even that bad its more the mid game thats bad

[rocky rock]

Once you get past the basic resources nothing is nearby

[unkempt blade]

🚀 #screenshots message

[versed mesa]

That why you create another factory

[rocky rock]

I'm about to rip everything up and relocate

[versed mesa]

Omg is oil there also its to big at the moment for my liking am a new member

[versed mesa]

Do it

[unkempt blade]

I don't think I have any screenshots on here of the recycled plastic/rubber setup but that one is also pretty huge

[versed mesa]

Lol mad

[feral geyser]

@naive orchid I'm proud to announce that F.E.E.T. has awarded you a medal for A.S.S. (Awesome Somersloop Searching)

🏅 🫡

[rocky rock]

Also random tangent but the devs really missed the mark for the late game with map traversal with stubbornly refusing to add flying player vehicles "because it would make the map feel too small" when hypertube cannons exist and also made portals stupidly expensive to operate and unlock way too late despite the dimensional depot unlocking relatively early and using no energy

[naive orchid]

yo i found 2 more near my nitrogen site

lets gooo

[unkempt blade]

imo just strap a couple jetpacks onto a factory cart and call it a day

[versed mesa]

Can you do that ?

[hidden sparrow]

700h now on this save alone !

[versed mesa]

Woah congrats

[hidden sparrow]

700 too many

[rocky rock]

I get wanting to encourage players to build infrastructure and not just teleport items everywhere and in the early/mid game not totally trivializing map exploration, but in my 1.0 playthrough by the end it was just painfully tedious getting around the map to manage my factories and get the last few collectibles

[unkempt blade]

nah you have to use jump pads for now if you want your carts to fly

[versed mesa]

I must be atleast near 50 hours in lol

[manic topaz]

I took your usernames advice

[versed mesa]

Lmfao ive not used the pads yet

[manic topaz]

factory carts are glorious
i have been enlightened

[zenith pecan]

If you want to fly that badly, just turn on the advanced game thingy 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt blade]

another believer! welcome to the cult

[rocky rock]

Plus the logical disconnect between drones and dimensional depot existing but having weird illogical limitations on them

[shy mulch]

What do you find illogical

[versed mesa]

So let me ask something about dimensional depod what does it actually do i know something with your resources but I still could not make our from the description in game but soon ill craft one to look into it more

[unkempt blade]

It sounds like you might want to get away from infrastructure entirely but if you're open to HTs I've had really good results building boosters into the blueprints for my roads. It goes silly fast ex: #screenshots message

[rocky rock]

That we don't have a flying player controllable vehicle to explore the map with when drones show we absolutely have the tech for it, and dimensional depots being able to magically transport items for free to the player but not anywhere else, and the endgame portals using stupidly expensive nuclear pasta as a consumable to operate

[leaden turret]

looks at jetpack

[shrewd palm]

you belt things into it and then its basically another inventory

anything in the depot can be used just as if it were in your inventory

[shy mulch]

You can use it like a storage, you send items from machine outputs into it, and you can access them wherever you are you don't need to go to the storage each time. There's more to it than that, that's the simple version. You'll learn the rest when you unlock them and start playing with them

[deep pier]

even somersloop and fuel?

[shrewd palm]

power shards, sloops, fuel have to be dragged into your inventory

[deep pier]

🙁 ggs

[shrewd palm]

same with equipment

[versed mesa]

Wow that sounds challenging lol

[rocky rock]

Jetpack has very short flight times, it's fun for short hops but not great for getting across the map

[shrewd palm]

the ionized fuel in question

[leaden turret]

carry more fuel

also nobody said dystopian space capitalism was resource-efficient

[rocky rock]

Doesn't increase the length of time before needing to land

[unkempt blade]

why not just get a mod to turn flying on/off when you feel like it?

[shy mulch]

I'll take each of those points separately
We do have frying player controlled vehicles, it's called a jetpack
If depots worked the way you want them to it would completely trivialise the game and make it far too easy
Portals aren't that expensive to run once you've automated the tier 9 stuff

[versed mesa]

@shy mulch the depot ive already unlocked just need to craft my first one to test it out lol

[leaden turret]

don't need a mod, there's ags for that

[zenith pecan]

He could just use AGS 🤷‍♂️

[rocky rock]

I ended up doing map exploration with the big power towers, zipline hook and hover pack

[naive orchid]

7 loops

[versed mesa]

What ever yous do dont get me started onto mods since ive just recently started playing the game

[shy mulch]

Or stick a hypertube cannon in a blueprint and stamp them all over the map. Easy

[rocky rock]

It works but feels silly and unrealistic, I guess that's mostly what I'm getting at, the current game technically works but to me at least doesn't feel good with the decisions the devs ultimately made

[versed mesa]

I want to build me a hyperloop

[leaden turret]

game has no gravity on buildings, nobody claimed realism

[shy mulch]

They are fun to do

[unkempt blade]

I do agree with you that portals would be more useful/interesting if you didn't unlock them at the very end of progress stuff

[hard ivy]

except for pipes for some reason

[shy mulch]

And a space elevator is realistic?

[leaden turret]

technically yes

[versed mesa]

I bet they are that i would probably not have issue in creating

[rocky rock]

Hypertube cannons feel like a physics glitch, and the regular hypertube speed is way too slow, if it was 10x faster it would be much more viable

[shrewd palm]

they should be start of phase 5 tbh, instead of only being unlocked as like the 3rd part of tier 9 minimum

[shy mulch]

Watch three body problem. They basically made a hypertube cannon 😂

[unkempt blade]

I linked a screenshot with a booster setup a few minutes ago that would let you dial in HT speed a little

[versed mesa]

How big are the hypertube i bet they same size as hyperloop tubes

[rocky rock]

Space elevator is a common scifi trope that establishes the tech level of the game, which makes the limitations on things like flying even more illogical

[upper gale]

You just need better fuel

[rocky rock]

I got to ionized fuel in my last playthrough

[dim flint]

Anyone here have a some experiance with FicsIt-Networks?

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it's tricky because lore-wise and how the tech feels it should absolutely be phase 5 but by phase 5 I also had my HT lines running everywhere and roads set up and stuff where the portals no longer really felt worth the operating cost

[versed mesa]

Say what now lol

[upper gale]

Brother I only have rocket fuel and it takes me everywhere. How does that not satisfy your exploration needs?

[versed mesa]

@upper gale hi mate

[shy mulch]

What's wrong with a hypertube cannon? Just do that with ionized jetpack and you can launch from anywhere in the world and land wherever you want in the world

[upper gale]

Sup

[mortal ginkgo]

while I agree, I think it is a "reward" for you to push game to the limits.

I don't blame people thinking otherwise but I got a hot take: If you are finishing the game before having a truly large factory game that makes 20/min final items of elevator stage, many portals fully active around, using all uranium as much as possible or needed, crafting a statue of your mom etc, you really dont need portals in the first place.

[versed mesa]

Am going to sleep soon been playing the game all night lol

[shy mulch]

I have 18 active portal pairs atm, and when I finish the factory I'm working on atm I'll have 43

[shrewd palm]

i think they're supposed to be the upgrade to hypertubes
but the problem with that is that (depending on load times) i feel like portals probably take longer than launching yourself across the map to some extent

[mortal ginkgo]

I humbly think it is a game's own "sand box design flaw" that we can literally finish phases but letting them just go for a long time with one assembler or two.

[shy mulch]

That should be enough I think

[unkempt blade]

yeah my saves normally go past where progress ends but I would have felt disappointed if I had unlocked portals like a few hours before shipping the last package

[zenith pecan]

The map isn't really large enough for flying vehicles tbh, you can already cross it in a couple of minutes as is.

[upper gale]

Yup this game makes you lose track of time

[dim flint]

I mean, in my save. I rushed and hacked my way to T9 a bit, so portals came at a really good time.

[versed mesa]

@shy mulch ive got to say something to yous

[shy mulch]

There are some things only my wife can say to me

[rigid fractal]

I see there’s a tier 9 now. Is there a phase 5 for the space elevator?

[rustic hare]

yes

[versed mesa]

Lmfao since am new am just getting used to things and getting through tasks then eventually ill redo thing as I go along and grow to understand things better

[shrewd palm]

yes

thankfully there is nothing beyond that

[rigid fractal]

Sweet! I’m on phase 4 now. Last time I played there wasn’t anything past 4

[shrewd palm]

if there was i'd probably become a homunculus or something

[rocky rock]

Again, it's more about this whole thing feeling super clunky and at odds with the rest of the game. Technically yes that works, but having a flying vehicle that can hover and let me have a nice chill aerial view of the map and land near points of interest is something we have irl and is a scifi staple so it feels weird that we have to do silly things like this and feather the jetpack input to hover and get around

[versed mesa]

When can we build space rocket factories

[shy mulch]

Sounds like you need to just enable fly mode in AGS

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
yeah im gonna cry now 🙁 i didnt see the poor guy when i was clearing some trees

[shrewd palm]

if you want rockets go play factorio, otherwise its just the space elevator

[upper gale]

What kind of flying vehicle do you recommend?

[versed mesa]

Lmao

[unkempt blade]

Yeah if they want an HT replacement I think they missed the mark on cost. They're like several hundred ore/min per portal not to mention power which really adds up if you don't want them as just a long distance transporter

[plain gate]

does the 9 3/4 cannon still work

[versed mesa]

So yous would not want a rocket factory then ?

[rocky rock]

This is the excuse that many game devs have used for this type of inconvenience. I personally think it's nonsense once drones unlock, at that point all you're doing is wasting player time since they'll have the tech to get anywhere on the map easily, but for Reasons you're not allowing a convenient and logical form of transport so they have to use silly workarounds

[cunning siren]

I use cannons 🤷

[naive orchid]

omg i saw a somersloop say look trough the window and witness a thread

isnt that kinda rare

[zenith pecan]

In other words, you just want to utterly trivialise the game, got it.

[velvet crow]

what is your bomb factorys size

[scenic mirage]

spoiler ||theres teleporters||

[naive orchid]

yeah but not for conveyors

[rocky rock]

Just do the same thing the devs did with the other vehicles and add a cockpit to the drone so the player can fly it, use it like a helicopter

[zenith pecan]

I just thread conveyors through map wide tunnels 😛

[upper gale]

What tier should they unlock this in?

[rocky rock]

I know, and they're stupidly expensive to the point of absurdity with needing nuclear pasta to operate

[plain gate]

there's the train blueprint teleporter isnt there too?

did get patched

[rocky rock]

Same time as drones

[cunning siren]

Throughput on drones is not like 100% though. I'll take a nice MK6 belt or train over a drone when I want all the throughputs

[plain gate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fnafzc/instant_train_teleportation/
this one

[shrewd palm]

the problem with a flying player vehicle is that i feel like the niche it would fill is already like 90% covered by other stuff

[upper gale]

How about just being able to enter drones, like trains

[cunning siren]

Why is there not a drone train? 🤔

[shrewd palm]

hoverpack for short distances, hypertubes/jetpack if you want to get around and explore, portals if you want to go from point a to point b with little effort beyond pressing W

and most of the wheeled vehicles do a pretty good job of getting around, even if their collisions with terrain can be janky

[rocky rock]

Sure, those work, but the devs did go through the hassle of adding the explorer vehicle which is even more niche, and those all are super inconvenient or in the case of vehicles largely useless for the super rugged biomes

[versed mesa]

Catch yous later keep enjoying the game

[unkempt blade]

yeah the only thing we're missing is a factory cart with jetpacks strapped to it for comic relief

they did it for hogs! why no cart jetpacks?

[shrewd palm]

better yet, they should allow factory carts to go through hypertubes

then you can transport your items across the map in seconds!

[zenith pecan]

Jetpack strapped to one side so it flies like the cyberjoke turns 🤣

[unkempt blade]

I was severely disappointed I couldn't take carts throuygh portals when I saw them

[rocky rock]

That's really where a flying vehicle would shine, land it on a plateau to grab late game collectibles instead of building awkward foundation ramps or power lines to get up, plus it would just be awesome to fly a proper vehicle over the map to enjoy the view of your factories

[naive orchid]

if everything goes according to the plan i will finish half of phase 4 soon

and its my first world barely 100 hours in

[cunning siren]

It seems like the right shape 🤷

[shrewd palm]

although if they were adding a dlc where you got to explore more of the planet then a flying vehicle would probably fit right in

[flint coral]

how do u get uneaven splits to work like lets say i have 120 iron ingots and i need a flow of 75, 25 and 20 is that possible or not?

[shrewd palm]

i guess you'd use it to set up bases where you could connect a portal, and thats where portals would be more useful too

[shrewd palm]

if you dont want to build a satanic load balancer just manifold it

[hard ivy]

1 splitter will do that just fine if you connect the belts to machines that consume those amounts

[upper gale]

They can let you tame the flying manta ray and ride it, easy

[zenith pecan]

Too much like Avatar.

[neon summit]

Do you guys think it's fine to give yourself copons to get decoration things?

[unkempt blade]

it's a sandbox game, you should play however is fun for you

[plain gate]

you don't need to balance it

[flint coral]

wouldnt you have to even it out perfectly or will the overflow just figure it out on its own?

[feral geyser]

I think we should be able to get in a car and have it self-drive still like a train.

[upper gale]

Yeah of course

[hard ivy]

you never have to manage your belts exactly. overflow can manage your belts for you

[neon summit]

Yeah I know I just like to get others opinoin on things

[naive orchid]

whatever's best for you but i personally would say yes, although you can play however you want

[upper gale]

The only thing you shouldn't use coupons for, in my opinion, are the resources in the last page

[plain gate]

as long as the maximum flow rate on any given belt segment is lower than your belt speed and the input and output amounts are the same

doesn't matter how you connect it

[naive orchid]

i used up atleast 40 to get the copper powder 😭

[neon summit]

Yeah I know that much, it's just that I'm in tier 2 and want some cool windows but kinda sinked a bunch of computers i found at cras sites so now even getting 1 is a hassle

[rocky rock]

Also on the topic of portals instead of making them use stupidly expensive consumables just make them unlock in the mam from the dimensional depot tree and require a mercer sphere for each endpoint and a significant amount of power, that way they're still limited but available much earlier, have the power cost high enough that it will take endgame power generation to actively use more than a handful of them, maybe use power per item teleported so it's not a replacement for traditional infrastructure

[unkempt blade]

I usually make a line straight for the smart splitter in the MAM so I can start overflowing stuff for coupons right away

[neon summit]

but still, getting 20k points from sinking a belt of like 120 screws would still take a loooooooooooong time

[unkempt blade]

it all adds up pretty fast if you're overflowing everything you automate

[slate heart]

Just finished up my aluminum factory and realizing that I just want to rebuild every other factory system.
Is there a "best" chain of production? As in would you better recommend making a separate factory to process ores, then ship that to whatever factories need the products, etc? At what stages do I split off products and send them to another factory?
Right now I have it set up to bring everything to a small "mall" area, but I am seeing that its causing some organizational problems as I try to branch back out

[neon summit]

I personally just kinda wanna decorate and not go through the hassle of waiting multiple hours to sink basic resources for 3 coupons

[upper gale]

There's many decisions you have to make for a game. Personally I would've made coal power available just a bit sooner. But it all ties into other decisions and they have to account for many things plus what they want you to experience. For the most part they did well though

[feral geyser]

DNA capsules

Go hunting for a bit, somersloop the machine to get double protein, then double capsules, and boom, hella coupons

[neon summit]

Alright thanks

[feral geyser]

Also, keeping doggos is nice cuz they can bring late game stuff that you won't necessarily need so you can sink it.

[upper gale]

Yeah ngl this is the best for early game coupons

[rocky rock]

Totally agree, it's a very good game overall, I just know that in my last playthrough I spent way too much time in the endgame just in map traversal and that's my big friction point

[shy mulch]

You're resting on this point of portals being too expensive. Many people use them without issue. If you think they are expensive then you just haven't automated enough. If that's too much work for you there are plenty ways to work around that and make the game easier for you

[feral geyser]

Plus... 🥺

[shy mulch]

I have loads of portals but often use hypertube cannons because it's often faster. Really it's a complete non issue

[rocky rock]

Sure, I can automate up to them, but by that point I've already finished the game, and their cost is completely at odds with the too cheap dimensional depot

[feral geyser]

The point of a portal isn't go to someplace to get items, it's to go visit and show off factories.

[shy mulch]

Why aren't you using hypertube cannons

[unkempt blade]

nothing about satis is really hard sci fi so just calling it magic and not trying too hard to make it all be 100% coherent science is usually the answer

[rocky rock]

Again it's not like any of these things are unworkable with existing tools, it's more that there's weird limitations on the player having drones but not a proper flying vehicle, and the dimensional depot introduces cheap item teleportation early on and the portals are at the other extreme of cost

[unkempt blade]

give it the ol' star wars treatment and call it a day 😄

[upper gale]

You can tell it's just how they wanted you to use portals. They didn't want you to spam it or have it too early. The game is mostly about logistics after all, and teleportation is kinda the opposite

[shy mulch]

I think you're incorrectly linking depots with pioneer teleportion. I fully agree with the devs on this one. You're asking to make the game far too easy. For people who find it too hard there are options to make it easier already. Just enable fly mode

[sick dragon]

or you can make a hypertube cannon

[shy mulch]

Exactly. Movement around the world is perfectly simple and fast enough

[sterile blade]

Note: "item teleportation" is limited to player's inventory, not any machine's inventory (or anything with an output belt)

[rocky rock]

I'll use them, but my point is still that they don't feel good to use and still come across as a physics glitch the devs allow as a concession to getting around the map quickly

[hard ivy]

my issue with T9 stuff is that half the things seem like the devs just wanted something "cool" and didn't consider if it'll be useful

[shy mulch]

Cool is good. I'm fine with that

[sick dragon]

the map is really smaller than it feels. you look at the map and go wow thats far than you traverse its like "oh its past this rock and around the corner"

[cunning siren]

Its silly that I've done 6 playthroughts and only on this recent one did I figure out parts purchase with coupons grants a STACK of the items and not a single item 😆 the game is SOOOO much more simple this way

[hard ivy]

cool and useful is much better than cool and useless

[tired axle]

Is there any way to stop that anniversery party. I'm going insane

[hard ivy]

#patch-notes

[sterile blade]

I think you're at the point where you might enjoy having a slug/Mercer/sloop hunt and rediscover how dense of nooks and crannies and different levels (in height) the map is ^^

[flint coral]

ok ok but does it have to get filled up first like is there a need for overflow for this to work?

[tired axle]

omg thank you

[rocky rock]

To me it feels like a bit of trolling from the devs honestly, like players have been asking for teleporters all through early access and now we finally get them but they're so expensive and come so late that they're not really useful

[flint coral]

cause i imagine that it needs to fill up the ones that are getting more than they need and vice versa

[plain gate]

yes fill it up first

[cunning siren]

I love hypertube cannons, they are fun to use and cheap AF in comparison to portals

[hard ivy]

it'll fill up by itself

[rocky rock]

There's an option on the main menu to turn off seasonal events, I leave it off

[sterile blade]

I've seen someone who already happily purchased parts, ending up not buying more at some point due to forgetting that the shop gave one stack and assuming it was one item

[upper gale]

They want you to build more too, using hypertubes as intended would mean building some long highways of hypertube. Or you could make roads and use vehicles. You could ride trains. If you had a way to get around quickly without any effort then it's kinda just like playing in creative mode

[digital basalt]

How many shpere is good to start a storage depo before focusing on upgrade (my choice)

[plain gate]

well yeah but its much faster to prefill

[digital basalt]

still having trouble deciding

[hard ivy]

I rarely have issues with manifolds taking too long to fill

[cunning siren]

Are you asking what alien tech to upgrade first?

[digital basalt]

Negative

[plain gate]

that depends on the machine stack size and manifold length

for my bp of aluminum smelters it takes a LONG time

[flint coral]

but i should match it when i can right?

[plain gate]

12x 250% smelters

[digital basalt]

Im speaking about a Central Storage

[sterile blade]

And one's patience/attention to efficiency. There is high variability in these ^^

[digital basalt]

a one stop for any item i would need being at this location

[upper gale]

Ok Mr. I only use mk6 belts 😹

[cunning siren]

Ok, so maybe you may be asking how many Depot Uploaders is reasonable at a specific stage of the game?

[plain gate]

who doesn't

[sick dragon]

in unrelated news im lowkey annoyed that the oil node in the swamp is fully impure

[hard ivy]

I use the fastest belts I have. which are not always mk6.

[plain gate]

they're not expensive to build

i wouldn't know anyways i havent played with build cost in 3 years

[hard ivy]

plus manifolds fill much faster if you use smart splitters

[upper gale]

The people who don't have it unlocked yet

[rocky rock]

That's kind of my point, I don't mind difficulty getting around the map in the early and mid game since I do agree the goal is to build infrastructure. However once we get to the late game and we're building our endgame factories it should be easy and fast to hop around the map, but right now unless you're comically flinging yourself across the map with hypertube cannons there's a big gap before teleporters which come too late to be actually useful and are more of a vanity item

[plain gate]

i assumed u meant in the context of him, already having mk6 belts, choosing to use them every time

[digital basalt]

Exactly what i said to begin with really. Spheres = Dimensional Deposits. Storage Depo

[upper gale]

Nah it's fine if he always uses them, I would too

[cunning siren]

Ahhh ok, what stage of the game are you at now?

[upper gale]

You got a point yeah, it could use some balance

[digital basalt]

Im in Phase 3 going into 4

for the 3rd time, just doing it right this time and getting things the way i want them

[rigid glen]

No balance, HYPERCANNONS FTW 😛

[digital basalt]

just been battling with a number of depots to have, i have a blueprint from a streamer called Totaleclipse and its 4 on each side so 8 total to make the Blueprint

[upper gale]

Nooo 😭 Well, they are fun though

[digital basalt]

much appreciated if you help me track down a number, so far i came up with like 32?

[cunning siren]

And it's not a requirement to have all of them "centrally located" anymore as the Depot Uploaders can be spread all over the map and you'll have access to all of them 🤷. It can be handy when upgrading HUB tier milestones though

[upper gale]

It's a bit funny hearing the audio when going through a 24 entrance cannon

[hard ivy]

24??? where are you going? one of the other planets?

[digital basalt]

but i also found this earlier

If you're using 1 Mercer Sphere per item (as a label or marker above a small container, like an item trophy depot), then:

Storage Goal Spheres Needed
Mobile Utility Kit (~80 items) 80 Mercer Spheres
All Useful Items (~120 items) 120 Mercer Spheres
Full Game Coverage (~160 items) 160 Mercer Spheres

[golden nexus]

Yeah this is one of the best additions it means you can build small factories like rods, plates, screwsm wire, cable on impure nodes and leave htem there until late game

[digital basalt]

@cunning siren i know just making a Mall/Storage Depot/ Whatever you wanna call it 😄

[upper gale]

Yes lol well mostly it's because this dedicated server has most of their stuff set up in the dune desert and so I use the cannon to get to grassy fields or middle of the map too

[cunning siren]

Yea that can be handy at at times. I would do ~10 uploaders for the essentals

[merry perch]

my cannon from ~middle of map to grassy fields barely gets me there and its at 15 iirc

[shy mulch]

12 will get you easily to opposite side of the map

[merry perch]

i have 20 from grassy to desert

[shy mulch]

Are you not using jetpack?

[merry perch]

i dont want to

uses fuel

[shy mulch]

Extremely tiny amount of fuel and would cut in 1/3 the number of hypertubes you need

[upper gale]

Mine has it's arc kinda low. Also I don't like to rely on the jetpack too much for gliding after cannon

[rigid glen]

Not using one of your main mobility devices is insane lol

[merry perch]

i use it but i just dont wanna use it for hypertubes

[merry perch]

^

[upper gale]

If i'm not paying attention I might use up too much jetpack fuel then have none left for landing

[shy mulch]

Seems very counterproductive

[rigid glen]

Why xy, jetpack hopping, especially with liquid biofuel, is key to getting the most distance

[merry perch]

its nice to just be plopped down onto your factories

and hypertube cannon segments barely take up space/power

[rigid glen]

other people are fascinating lol

[shy mulch]

Yep haha. I think a weird theme I see a lot here is people making the game harder for themselves then complaining that it's hard

[upper gale]

the snek cannon #screenshots message

[rigid glen]

Oh man, it's nuts. The thing I don't understand is how many times a new player will start the game, come to this chat and just wish everything about the game was different lol

Like, if you want Factorio, go there 😛

[upper gale]

We just see those people cuz the ones enjoying the game are just playing it and aren't as vocal

[rustic hare]

ikr

[shell creek]

hi guys i have got a question. is satisfactory worth it. i mean its 40€. i thought about buying the game.

[shrewd palm]

absolutely 100% yes

[static bramble]

guys what do u think about my factory of steel ? #screenshots

any advice ?

[shrewd palm]

satisfactory is genuinely one of the most fun games ive played

and it lasts for a LONG time too

[rigid glen]

I have 1900ish hours into thegame, I can only say yes

[rustic hare]

heckin yes, you'll be spending more time than you used to get that 40€ in the game

[cunning siren]

Anybody's mouse become laggy / stuttering when ALT + TAB out of game and using browser? The even stranger bit is it seems to be fine with Discord 🤔 WTF? It's like If I alt + tab to discord first it fixes it but if to browser laggy?

[rigid glen]

Are you using windowless full screen or sindowed

windowed*

[cunning siren]

Windowed

[hard ivy]

you can edit your messages, you know

[upper gale]

If you're into building/automation/sandbox then yeah

[rigid glen]

yes, but I have to click with mouse, taking hands off the keyboard

[hard ivy]

you don't

[rigid glen]

And it stutters that much? Wow, I only used to have the issue when alt-tabbning out of fullscreen

[cunning siren]

🤷 I guess I have a work around so... meh not that big of a deal

[shell creek]

ok thank u. all of u. the point is that i m not swimming in cash right now. so i thouth about a lot. but all in all i like this type of games

[crisp edge]

I'm in salt lake City for a few days for work and I just got my steam deck hooked up to the TV in my hotel to build factory. Wings are on the way and keyboard and mouse are working, time to have a day

#screenshots message

[deep pier]

is there any downsides to overclocking generaters?

[upper gale]

Check this out, the up arrow key will start editing your message

[stray herald]

I bought all the fused frames and cooling systems and such, I then used somersloops to make things like Conversion cubes, then slooped a particle accelerator and other relevant buildings.
Possibly close to 50 coupons just for phase 4

[hard ivy]

the shard cost

[upper gale]

Or uh, it's not doing it anymore rip

Oh there we go is working now

[crisp edge]

It bothers me that on discord it's just up arrow but on slack it's up arrow and then E for edit

[upper gale]

Have to keep the text box focused

[deep pier]

and what is cheaper in your opinion a fuel generater or 2 shards?

[rustic hare]

no, for generators, fuel comsumption to power output relationship stays linear
200% generator uses 2x input and generates 2x power

[crisp edge]

Generator for sure, right?

[hard ivy]

I only start overclocking everything when I have shards automated

[rigid glen]

The only reason to OC generators is lack of space, so do it if you want, it's a flat 1 to 1 increase, not like the crafting machines, but if you have the room, just make more machines and save your shards

[shy mulch]

Or just unwillingness to build such monumentally ridiculous sized buildings. I have over 600 fuel generators running at 250%, can't really be bothered to build 1500 of them and make it all look nice and non-repetitive

[cunning siren]

Is this math correct... Sinking Silica is a 122% point improvement over Quartz Crystal at 11% per raw quartz?

[shy mulch]

sounds about right

[rigid glen]

LOL I've never used mroe than 100 gens

[upper gale]

Ask Kyo to calculate it fr and then he can maths

[rigid glen]

I mean, sure, I get not wanting to build more, but why are you setting that much power without moving to nuclear?

[shy mulch]

I have nuclear too

[upper gale]

Same, I did 84 oc'd for the dedi server

[rocky rock]

I started building a nuclear plant, not really worth it over rocket fuel and fuel generators with all the extra complexity and resources unless you're specifically doing it for the challenge

Since 1 pure oil node can run a stupid number of fuel generators with appropriate recipes

[rigid glen]

Kibitz just did a series on setting up full nuclear in 1.1, it was nmind numbing in it's size and complexity

[unkempt blade]

you all are crazy and should just be using several thousand biofuel burners instead

[upper gale]

Have power for a glorious few seconds

But you did it with hard work

[mortal ginkgo]

Senpai am I doing correct? #screenshots message

[rigid glen]

Looks great, but SO much work for 9 gens

[mortal ginkgo]

Do you want to know something extra? He didn't even go plut fuel rod and fisconium to sink it

[rigid glen]

That's still coming isn't it?

[mortal ginkgo]

Thank you, I am really taking it slow and "detail stuff and make it pretty" route

[mortal ginkgo]

I.. I don't think he will. He might be too madman to do that.. or maybe enough to be madman about it all.

[unkempt blade]

it's a wonderful start

[mortal ginkgo]

Thank you. Much appreciate, very doggo, wow.

[rigid glen]

He's def that mad, but yes, I could see him leaving it out for now

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, I think it would be pure insanity at that point

[rocky rock]

Eventually I want to turn the central pink/red forest plateau into a monolith with the space elevator at 0,0 map coordinates

[tired axle]

Do leaves regrow?

[rigid glen]

I think hand picked leaves and small bushes come back

but anything destroyed by chainsaw are gone\

(but I stil lthink some come back sometimes when a save is loaded)

[rocky rock]

Plants do regrow if they're far enough from active buildings

A powered building (not a power pole though) suppresses plant/enemy respawn

Had problems with hatchers spawning under my foundations until my factory expanded enough

[mortal ginkgo]

I can slightly confirm this that the smol grass indeed grew out in where some zones I actively farmed but I cant say 100% for sure still to this day

[mortal ginkgo]

thats a different thing tho'. Machines need to be powdered nicely if you dont want stuff to spawn that are near

[cunning siren]

WOH, it's 156x constructors in 6x builds to convert 1,800 Raw Quartz into Silica 🤔

How am I gonna fit that into this cave?

[sick dragon]

distilled silica

your welcome

or whatever it is. dissolved?

[cunning siren]

No

[feral geyser]

Why not

[hard ivy]

it's less efficient than cheap silica if you don't need the crystals

[cunning siren]

IDK 🤷 I'm guessing this is a solution of some kind to this issue?

I'm trying to sink this for points

[hard ivy]

why would you sink silica for points lmao

[feral geyser]

But they're doing the standard silica recipe

[cunning siren]

OH but if I do the conversion in the cave the 3:5 ratio makes it harder to train places 🤔 OK... this is why I did not do this before

[peak wasp]

Man having a hard go here when it comes to moving to blue crater

[cursive totem]

is it a common things that pipes somehow "lose" fluids through wall connectors etc?

[peak wasp]

These cliffs and amount of enemies are brutal

[brisk crane]

how can i use the fondations in the floor and remain a constant level does anyone know like do just put them floating in the terrain

[cunning siren]

❤️ how hoverpack can get the camera in the perfect spot to judge alignment for building

It's much better for pasting configs too

[shrewd palm]

holding ctrl will snap them to the world grid

[stone topaz]

Struggling to understand how to transition to mid game. I'm working on T4 things right now. I've just unlocked steel and got that going. Unlocked Mk 2 miners, but I'm having trouble reconciling when I should start thinking in terms of mega factories and transporting items. right now I just have everything being made at their own nodes and some alien depots on them, but not really sure what to do to bring it all together, if that makes sense

[deep pier]

for amount of canisters do I put 1:1 or do I put extra to keep them running smoothly?

[deep pier]

I am not a profressional but imo when you unlock fuel gen and trains is when you can work on mega factories if you really want to

[shrewd palm]

for starters the next step is oil which will require moving to a different biome and setting up a factory, but where you are now i wouldnt worry about mega factories

one of the nice things about the depot is that it lets you make a lot more "outpost" factories that only produce a couple of things, so that mega factories for building parts and stuff arent really necessary

[cunning siren]

OH the curve belt option can allow for some stuff the other options do not allow 🤔

[full vale]

yo, im having problems with the signaling of a railroad crossing and im running out of ideas to fix it. is there anyone here who would help me or maybe yall have better troubleshooting ideas than i do. please message me in private if you do.

[cunning siren]

Explosion radius for rebar blows up the bee things now? That seems new

[wise junco]

Hi there! Odd question I can't seem to find anything on... for the first time, I'm wanting to build a centralized line across the major areas of the map before I go any further.

Is there a map anywhere of "suggested" main line areas?

[void cliff]

Most people build a train loop around the map in a big circle

[stray herald]

Yeah I have almost a loop around the entire map with branching stations and 'u-turn' zones

[severe plover]

is it possible to have road barriers snap to foundation ramps?

[shrewd palm]

if the signals are saying "signal loops in on itself" thats a bug and the only way to fix it is by rebuilding the track/signals until it eventually works

[sick dragon]

Not at an angle if thats what you are thinking

[shrewd palm]

not without infinite nudge anyways

[cloud sigil]

could someone just look rq in the #1038092680493801533

please🙏

[deep pier]

for packagers is it better to just have the total amount that they need or to make extras?

[white dawn]

What do you mean?

[deep pier]

like for diluted fuel each packager needs 120 canisters, do I only give them 120 each or do I put a whole stack in each, like which one makes it run smoother?

[merry perch]

shouldnt both of them run the same?

[white dawn]

If you're doing a closed Diluted Packaged Fuel loop, you can make a little closed loop and just seed it with about 20 Empty Canisters and all should be well

Can put in a whole stack if you're feeling extravagant, though

[merry perch]

120 is exactly what it needs so there shouldnt be any downtime and a full stack should also do that but theres more

[deep pier]

only 20 canisters?

[deep pier]

ye I will try that first

[white dawn]

For a "closed" 2x Packager + 1x Refinery Diluted Packaged Fuel loop, yeah

[merry perch]

either way i'd add like 10-20 more just to be safe

[white dawn]

I'm not sure where that "120" number is coming from

[merry perch]

overabundance in this scenario shouldnt hurt stuff i think

[white dawn]

Right, as I say, if you're feeling extravagant, can just throw a full Empty Canister stack into the water packager

Though at least if your machines are running at 100%, 20 should be more than enough

[deep pier]

that's what the thing is asking me like 120 per min

[white dawn]

Each machine in the loop has a cycle that just lasts a couple of seconds, you don't actually need very many in there

[white dawn]

What "thing?"

[deep pier]

the packager

[white dawn]

Maybe start a #1038092680493801533 thread with a screenshot of what you're seeing?

[slate heart]

Dealing with decimals for inputs and outputs, is it better to be just barely over or just under when considering a decimal input? (example, I have 160 heavy oil residue and I can either consume 159.5 of it or 160.1)

[shrewd palm]

over

[slate heart]

Thank you

[frail sleet]

Kibitz used a really bad recipe choice at the end of the chain, which made things much more complicated, larger and expensive than it should have been

[shrewd palm]

sure its more efficient for plutonium fuel rods

but is making that many pressure cubes for a little bit more power really worth it

[deep pier]

the deed is done

[frail sleet]

if you wish to store plutonium waste, maybe, because it's 33% more raw power and either way produces a storable amount of waste.

If you don't burn them or want ficsonium, no, because it's cost without benefit (sinking rods) or liability from more plutonium waste per gigawatt (ficsonium)

[shrewd palm]

yeah

i just use the default recipes for nuclear

much better for getting rid of nuclear waste i think

[stable berry]

Is there a way to get more sloops like there is way to get more powsershards

[frail sleet]

no (outside of cheating)

[shrewd palm]

nope

you only have the 106 on the map if you dont use cheats

[stable berry]

So I can just dupe them

[tired axle]

Does a machine use power when it's not working but also not turned off?

[stable berry]

I found a way

[frail sleet]

Yes but IIRC 0.1mw, so outside of very early biofuel where you're counting each megawatt it is essentially completely irrelevant.

If you wanna make 10,000 machines then you can handle a gigawatt of power for them to idle.

[shrewd palm]

i think it just contributes to the max consumption instead

[stable berry]

If I use cheats will I still get achivments on that world ?

[shrewd palm]

not if you turn on advanced game settings

[stable berry]

I mean I got no issue I can just continue duping em

[frail sleet]

It depends how you cheat, advanced game settings turns off achievements but most of the other methods like duping or SCIM don't (and i don't think that somebody playing the game in this way and getting achievements would negatively affect any players or devs)

[shrewd palm]

there isnt really any reason for infinite sloops tho tbh

[stable berry]

I need em for optimization

[shrewd palm]

you're never going to either need that much power or make that much items

[stable berry]

Dont want my pc to die

[limpid cairn]

overclocking?

[stable berry]

I mean I got 130 ish now I cant send ss

[severe plover]

ah thats a shame

[stable berry]

Not enoygh

[cunning siren]

Awwww, I like the using the hotbars to store and organize blueprints! Screw using the blueprint menu and setting up some organization there, waste of time especially since it rests per game

[stable berry]

You can always coppy files from 1 save to anothert

[cunning siren]

Yes AND it does not save the menu organization however 🤷

[frail sleet]

Unless you are using very weak hardware, you are probably having performance issues because of having machines placed too closely together

From my experience, the performance that you get on the CPU is overwhelmingly determined by how many machines are within X radius of you, say 100 meters. Stuff that is in low LOD barely seems to affect performance, even with many thousands of machines.

On the other hand if you stack machines really densely and stand in the middle, you can get really bad FPS.

[stable berry]

I have i9 13900k

But Im playing on 4k

[frail sleet]

that doesn't increase the cpu load meaningfully

[hard ivy]

I see the concern about performance is just a meaningless excuse to cheat then

[shrewd palm]

that'll hurt your gpu more than anything

[hard ivy]

because that CPU can handle anything you can build in 1000h

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/t4khaoY.jpeg

^on this build i still have 150fps building, and if i go stand in a corner it goes over 250 (before framegen). It's over 4000 machines and 500km of belts so far.

In another save but with fewer buildings densely packed in a small area, i had only 50 IIRC.

[shrewd palm]

^^ that CPU is not going to be struggling with anything unless you make a truly massive factory

[upper gale]

The 4k will definitely affect gpu though

[frail sleet]

Yes, but machine count is gonna be a CPU thing

[stable berry]

My cpu is on 60-ish% loand when Im at my mainbase and it sometimes crashes

[frail sleet]

so if it's GPU bound, 10 or 100 machines will run at similar fps

[proper thicket]

thats impressive

[shrewd palm]

im on a 3060ti with max settings and the game is perfectly fine unless im around factories, although the game really only tanks in fps when im near really big ones

[limpid cairn]

If it helps, I’m running on 98% load most of the time and have 120 fps

[stable berry]

How ?

IT JUST CRASHED

[upper gale]

My monitor can do 2k but I just play at 1080p cuz the difference isn't too noticeable on my small monitor

[limpid cairn]

Check the crash log

[frail sleet]

The best way to see if you're CPU or GPU bound is to look at the GPU load %. If it's over 90% then you're GPU bound. If it's not, and you're not at a perfectly locked FPS cap (like exactly 60), you'll be CPU bound.

RAM performance modifies CPU performance when it's utilised (it's basically an L4 cache for the CPU)

[stable berry]

I dont know what im looking at

Can I send you ?

[limpid cairn]

Send it into a #1038092680493801533

[proper thicket]

I used to game at 2k with a Radeon 6800, and then my 2k monitor died so I bought a really nice HDR 4k... and then I ended up having to buy a 9070XT just so I could have a playable framerate again XD

[frail sleet]

4x framegen has been revolutionary for Satisfactory. Cracks start to show if base FPS gets down to 100ish though, and when i have 200x4 and drop to 150x4 mid-turn i can feel the latency changing mid-swipe.

[stable berry]

Sent it

[limpid cairn]

Forgot to tell you that I’m unable to help you with crashes, but I assume someone else will probably help you with it 🫡

[peak wasp]

Who even needs a high fps in a factory game

[frail sleet]

First person camera, it's much more comfortable at higher FPS and lower latency.

[proper thicket]

people who like to play smoothly

[hard ivy]

feels nice

[stable berry]

No way you did me like that :<

[limpid cairn]

I’m doing everyone like that, sorry to tell you

[peak wasp]

Yeah but 60 feels perfectly fine for a game like this and it keeps your PC from cooking you

[proper thicket]

I can feel the difference all the way up to 120 fps. After that I notice it less.

[frail sleet]

PC cooking or not cooking you is determined by the power targets that you set on your hardware, it has nothing to do with the framerate directly.

There's correlation between the two but the causation is elsewhere, and independantly controllable (i.e. you can have low power AND high fps).

[hard ivy]

if you experienced 120 FPS, 60 feels like ass

[stable berry]

Yeah

[shrewd palm]

you dont notice what you're missing out on until you play higher than 120fps

[limpid cairn]

Im playing on 2 fps and its fine yall are just spoiled

[white dawn]

Here I am perfectly happy so long as the game I'm playing gets 30. :)

[shrewd palm]

i am lucky to get 20 in some areas of my world

[peak wasp]

I have played 120fps

[cunning siren]

Good thing i've never experienced 120 then 😆 I'll be eternally happy with my "crappy" 60

[white dawn]

Yeah, my endgame saves often dip below 30 at times too

[peak wasp]

My monitor can do up to 360hz

[fickle walrus]

Skill issue

[peak wasp]

That said there is one thing I would never go back to

[deep pier]

is there a pipeline junction with more sides?

[frail sleet]

i look at it kind of the same way as those black and white CRT tv's

my friend got a fast IPS 200hz monitor for $97 the other month, not even on a significant sale, so i firmly consider that era to be over. Monitors with a decent refresh rate are standard now.

[peak wasp]

IPS or LCD panels

[white dawn]

If it really is the mere exposure to stuff like 120FPS which makes lower rates feel unbearable, I'm pleased as punch to never bother trying for it. :)

[shrewd palm]

nope, 4 is all you get

[hard ivy]

imagine the height issues with 6 sided junction lmao

[unkempt blade]

you have to build it yourself in the blueprinter

[feral geyser]

Technically, don't your eyes only function at what is effectively 40-50 fps?

[deep pier]

then whats the best way to split a 2 outputs into 3 inputs?

[proper thicket]

@frail sleethow does auto connect work?

[frail sleet]

No, they function with continuous input (not any discrete timestep) and can detect changes in the 1000 - 10,000hz magnitude.

[shrewd palm]

stick a bunch together so that all the pipes merge, and then put 2 out and 3 in

[pale vine]

Is there a splitter that splits a specific amount like 2.5 or things like that

[white dawn]

Not without modding, no

[frail sleet]

You need to make a little belt or pipe stub sticking out to connect to

[shrewd palm]

nope

[cunning siren]

Unless you use a TV then 120 is in the more expansive ones 🤷 this 55 inch TV was $300 bucks and my hardware can't do 120 anyway so... no point

[stable berry]

Can you help me fix it ?

[pale vine]

Alright Yh

[hard ivy]

no and there never will be

[white dawn]

If you really want to, you can generally create sequences of splitters+mergers to get whatever ratio you want, but it's generally not worth it

[peak wasp]

OLED gaming monitors are such a game changer

[hard ivy]

and trust me, if you think you want one, you don't

[shrewd palm]

anything that would need a splitter like that can just be manifolded

[frail sleet]

120hz is much smoother and lower latency than 60hz, even if you're playing at 30-60fps, so there is a point

Yes though, big tv's are more expensive for the same specs

[white dawn]

Either rely on "manifold logic" (ie: just send stuff wherever and it'll even out eventually), or make machines which output the exact rates that something else needs, and don't "mix" your streams

[cunning siren]

If I had money sure I would buy a new PC and TV ez 🤷

[proper thicket]

as a part of the original blueprint or as a part of the assembly I'm building out of the blueprints? I'm trying to streamline the placement of a lot of very samey conveyor belt groups.

[white dawn]

Eh, I guess. I'm quite happy being a pleb who doesn't care. I don't play fast-paced action games which require immediate reactions. My 30FPS is just fine by me

[static bramble]

hello guys how can we calculate the ratio/mn with the vehicle like the tractor ?

[stable berry]

After the 1st trip its calculated in the window

[shrewd palm]

although one thing to note is that unless you're playing something that needs a higher latency (like val or cs or something), you don't really need it and 120fps should be fine

[white dawn]

If you shove 60/min into a Truck Station, and the Tractor is able to empty out the station with every run, then the remote station is getting 60/min out

[static bramble]

okay thanks

[static bramble]

thanks

[white dawn]

I generally don't bother trying to calculate that kind of thing; just set up the route and see if it's sufficient. If you need another tractor on the route, you can always build another one and assign it the same route

[limpid cairn]

With math everything is possible

[frail sleet]

If you don't have money for it, that's fine. There are other priorities. I just mean to say that it does make a difference

[unkempt blade]

if I can't run minesweeper at 240FPS what's even the point of existing?

[shrewd palm]

to get it to run at 240fps

[white dawn]

(Though to be fair, I'd expect to be able to play Minesweeper at 240FPS. :P)

[limpid cairn]

@silk ocean you’re time to shine

[unkempt blade]

not with this 6 year old monitor 🙁

[white dawn]

Has anyone Balatro'd Minesweeper yet? Just a matter of time, if not.

[upper gale]

Gonna have to disagree, there is a point where it starts making almost no difference or very little. Like over 120 or 144 you're entering the pro gamer territory, esports players can notice tiny changes because they've trained their eyes to do so. Also every bit matters for them. But most people will never need 240+ fps no matter how much it's marketed everywhere as being amazing. It's kinda like diminishing returns

[shrewd palm]

yeah there isnt much of a reason to go above 144fps on most things

only thing that matters to me is consistent fps

i dont really care so long as its consistent and at least 60

[upper gale]

Adrenaline or increased heartrate can also make you "see" more fps (things slow down) I mean if you're really locked in to that valorant match ahah

[upper gale]

Yeah this

Consistent fps is way better than inconsistent with high points

[shy fog]

absolutely nothing can change monitor's ability to not display at higher fps...

[upper gale]

Yeah the monitor will always display what you set it to

[shy fog]

or it's limitations, so going above it is useless

[upper gale]

Our eyes are mostly stable but sometimes variable

[shy fog]

need a 240Hz monitor to do 240 fps

[turbid salmon]

Looking for a new challnge. Any ideas. I have done some semi speedruns. A 10X run, and some SF+ (waiting for a bit more polish there) Any suggestions?

[hard ivy]

no sink

[upper gale]

Power limit

(depending on phase)

[turbid salmon]

As in no coupons either I guess... Hmm.

[wicked grove]

factory limit, also depending on phase

[turbid salmon]

I generally don't sink to keep production going. I store...

[white dawn]

Factory Carts only, except within a single manifold