satisfactory

[silk ocean]

Not sure really xD

Seems like a waste of resources and time and electricity

[shy mulch]

the reasons shared above, no?

more throughput when packaging?

[silk ocean]

Fluid trains and stations are perfect tho? Why bother packaging and unpackaging

[true mulch]

You're omitting the part where you have to send the canisters back or make new ones

[hard ivy]

they aren't. plus packaged fluid is 2x denser

[silk ocean]

Just make the train a bit longer xD

[true mulch]

Sevrahn did the math and I trust that

Fluid trains work out just fine

[limpid cairn]

longer train means longer travel time tho

[true mulch]

Hardly

<5% slower

[shy mulch]

Feels like they are adding in more potential failure points. I'd always be worried about it going wrong, fluid buffers give me anxiety, when regular stations for packaged fluids work in ways I can set up once, get right first time, and trust

[silk ocean]

I have no problem shifting all of the oil out of the Crater with 2 4-length trains, they're not even full most of the time, and everything in the crater is triple-clocked

[hard ivy]

I did the math and packaging has generally 1.6 - 1.8 times the throughput. even more if we include depart when empty/full, but the gain from that depends on the exact setup

[silk ocean]

Packaging is a waste of time imo XD

[limpid cairn]

It’s not

[silk ocean]

Well you need it for those flying things

[shy mulch]

Maybe I should give fluid trains a chance, I just can't see anywhere in my setup they would make sense tbh

[silk ocean]

Of which I seem to have stumbled upon many drones xD

[shy mulch]

Maybe one day

[stone python]

:wheeze: "those flying things"

[true mulch]

I guess then it boils down to whether it's faster to just add a freight platform or train or build 2 huge packager setups

[hard ivy]

nah, packaging is better if you do it right and don't care about the space it takes up

[silk ocean]

I view drones on the same level as sloops - they are a "crowbar in a fix because I can't be bothered to run in a station" xD

[limpid cairn]

I gave them a chance and now my cooling system factory works 50% of the time 🥴

[shy mulch]

that's the way I do it now, but there seems to be a lot of love for fluid trains for some reason

[silk ocean]

All of my powergen is banned from drones, it's goods in by train or belts only permitted XD

Sushi not allowed 😈

[shy mulch]

why no drones?

[silk ocean]

I woke up one day and a drone decided not to fly for no logical reason, so that was the end of drones

[shy mulch]

There was definitely a reason 🙂

[silk ocean]

Lucky there was a big reserve at the nuclear plant otherwise it could have gone offline

[shy mulch]

They are really useful once you understand them fully

[silk ocean]

I couldn't find one, deleted and recreated the drone and it carried on

And then I nuked it all

And ran in railways xD

[shy mulch]

It tells you the reason if you hover your cursor over a place that you'd never guess to hover your cursor

[silk ocean]

I forget what it was but it was a totally illogical reason

[shy mulch]

Well all mine work perfectly, so meh 😛

[silk ocean]

Not enough fuel I think, even though it was full and had been running that route for 1000 hours

It just decided, F-this, I'm bored of flying over these cliffs XD

[shy mulch]

try them again and ask on here for help if it ever goes wrong, there's usually an easy fix

[silk ocean]

Maybe it watched Tom Cruise in American Made and decided F-this I am not working this cargo dog route anymore, hell I'm going to smuggle coke outta Nicaragua and Cambodia xD

[shy mulch]

woo lunch time, which I will spend tearing my fingers to pieces trying to change the headlight bulb in my car

[silk ocean]

I do use a lot of drones

33 I think atm

Yeah why is it so hard to change car bulbs

I mean not "hard" just harder than it should be

[hidden sluice]

Cause manufacturers can make the part put together in assembly easier.

[minor sierra]

What do you guys like the most about the game? Do you guys play for the feeling of progression, the math or for the esthetics or something else even?

[limpid cairn]

i hate myself

[warm phoenix]

Just automated the explosive rebar and rifle ammo
Now i can john rambo for days (as long as the uploading catch up)

[limpid cairn]

thats why i play

[minor sierra]

Ohno dont do that D:

[shy mulch]

I don't even notice I'm playing sometimes, it's just a direct feed of dopamine to my brain

[silk ocean]

I quite like it because it draws 500W CPU+GPU while sitting on one of my secondary monitors so my solar array exports less electricity to the a-holes in the neighbourhood 😈

[minor sierra]

This is a mood, it feels like youre there sometimes

[minor sierra]

Lmao

Personally i really love the esthetics and building

[silk ocean]

It's just a brilliantly designed and made game, the list is endless

[minor sierra]

True

[silk ocean]

It's honestly one of the best games on Steam imo, there are many fantastic games and Staisfactory is one of them. Hall of legends stuff as far as my gaming career goes

[hard ivy]

I feel like I like theorising about the game more than actually playing it. I like planning a factory more than actually building it. I like theorising more than actually putting the theory into practice. I have learned modding and made mods only for 100s of people install them into their game before I did

[shy mulch]

I feel that. I have many many spreadsheets. I think I spend more time on those than actually in the game itself haha

[silk ocean]

Yes that is a big part of factory builders, many people like designing more than building for sure. And that is a great thing because I can plop in a megamall in Factorio that someone probably spent 500 hours working on XD

[minor sierra]

Yeah im fully with you on that, its the first games ive ever seen where community feedback is also taken to heart to an incredible amount. The transparity and the work they put in to make the game how the players love, while always somehow making it even better than expected, is simply one of a kind

[minor sierra]

That was to this

[silk ocean]

I almost feel like CSS should have charged more for the game, £27.99 over 5 years ago feels like daylight robbery XD

May I refer you to Doom The Dark Ages... £69.99 for what, 30 hours playtime I might get XD

[minor sierra]

Woah thats sick, planning is indeed one i forgot about. I too love to plan my stuff out in my head, for me its much space i will need and how to create designs with the space im given. I dont go for big amounts, just one machine on 100%

[minor sierra]

xD that is also why i kinda struggle to stay interested in factorio, its all been done before

[silk ocean]

You don't have to get blueprints xD I usually don't

[shy mulch]

Nah, to be honest I think keeping price low means more people can buy it.
I think the idea of an honesty box version would be cool though
What I mean by that is have the exact same game but on steam twice, only difference is the price, so if you love the game and want to support it you can buy the more expensive version
Maybe one at £20 and one at £50 or something like that
I'd have bought the £20 one then bought the £50 one when I hit 1k hours just to say thanks

[silk ocean]

I never make a shopping mall though, too much work and it's just a mall xD

[minor sierra]

True, but i just know that what i think of is not optimal and i dont like that feeling lol

And i cant make it esthetically pleasing like in satisfactory

[silk ocean]

It's not really even a shopping mall, it's a logistics network mall xD

[minor sierra]

Lmao

[silk ocean]

Well, both games are factory builders, it's always hard to achieve perfection xD

[minor sierra]

True, but i strive for something that is perfect in my eyes

Havent found it on factorio yet though lol

[silk ocean]

Aim for the stars, reach the tree-tops, yea I know the feeling XD

[minor sierra]

Afternow 1.3k hours on satisfactory, i finally think i found the jam with which i will finish the game

Yes, i have not finished the game yet

[silk ocean]

There's no rush to finish

[minor sierra]

True, just enjoying the journey

[hard ivy]

yeah, I spent like 150$ on SnowRunner so far and I keep spending more. because each 20$ DLC is 100s of hours of content

[gritty zealot]

Hi, i'm the same, im on 400 hours on one save and im nowhere close to completing phase 3

[silk ocean]

20 bucks for 100 hours of rich content is not bad, I keep meaning to try SnowRunner, got it on my Wishlist xD

[shy mulch]

Just don't ask me how much I spend on gold for the MMOs I play, it makes ninjas shop onions behind me when I think about it

[minor sierra]

Im currently on 250 hours in the save i intend to finish. I just made heavy modular frames xD

[gritty zealot]

i havent even started on those haha

[silk ocean]

Well Blizz caved years ago and you can just buy gold on the AH now xD

[shy mulch]

I don't play wow, I play much worse ones

[silk ocean]

Ohhh XD

[minor sierra]

World of tanks moment

[silk ocean]

Yea are you World of Tanks peeps XD

[shy mulch]

I'm a legend of mir fan

[midnight vessel]

Is there any popular calculator tools other than satisfactorytools.com? I was using it for a while but now it's nearly impossible to use without constantly lagging.

[silk ocean]

Classy

[shy mulch]

that shouldn't lag at all, is it your browser causing an issue or something? it's really pretty lightweight

[minor sierra]

Used to be, luckily i only had 2 or 3 premiums so it wasnt a big pain to leave it behind xD. Got my moneys worth, used to play a lot with my brother

[midnight vessel]

I dunno; I've got YT playing in another window + monitor and it's running smoothly at 1080p

[hard ivy]

wait for the Y5 anniversary edition to be on sale. basically all seasons are worth buying, but I do have to admit, despite being worth it, buying everyting at once is a tad expensive. and buying in parts is even more expensive

[barren dove]

Ah snowrunner good times spending hours hauling the wrong material across the map to to tip over on the last meters❤️

[silk ocean]

I'll keep an eye, yea definitely worth waiting for a bundle deal, some of those can be crazy good

There was some ludicrous Civ V all DLC bundle deal like -95% for the lot on Steam, £7.99 or something, I did buy that xD

[hard ivy]

Base game plus the year 1-5 passes currently cost 90€/90$/80£. Everything but year 5 is on a small sale so I guess it might not be a terrible idea to buy it rn

It'll basically be half of what I'll pay for buying the same things in parts (didn't buy Y5 yet and that'll be another 20$ on top of the 150-160 I already spent)

[silk ocean]

Yea it's showing a -27% if you get the 5-year, or -50% for the base

[hard ivy]

Just fyi, the y5 pass contains absolutely nothing right now. Seasons get released every 4-5 months and y5 will only include all content it's supposed to in 1.5 years

The previous 4 year passes are all complete

[silk ocean]

Ah right, thanks for the tip xD

I'll probably grab the base to start as it's -50%, see how it goes

Do you recommend using a wheel, I do have one so that's no prob

[hard ivy]

I use KB+M cause that's all I have

[silk ocean]

I'll probably K+M yeah

[hard ivy]

But it does have wheel support so you can

[silk ocean]

Only really need the wheel for F1, can't easily K+M that xD

[warm phoenix]

So far im not getting a good alt recipe (mostly because i was too busy progressing tiers and not exploring)

[silk ocean]

Apart from Hollw Knight that has taken Reddit by storm, and Borderlands 4 (yikes 11th Sep xD omg), I am tempted to start cleaning up some brutal murders in Crime Scene Cleaner (-20%) and ludicrously well rated, it's like Viscera Cleanup Detail but just seems better XD

[lost galleon]

Are there traffic signs? 👀

[silk ocean]

For roads?

May I recommend trains 🙂

[dull flare]

is the northern oil spot a good location for a all in one tier 5 and 6 factory?

[silk ocean]

Yea

I would say - as in the coral reef, lots of oil there

Other option is the Gold Coast

Well quite a few others too, South Swamp, Crater Lake, etc xD

[hard ivy]

Oh yeah I 100%ed Crime Scene Cleaner. Fun game. Though even with the recent update basically tripling the length, it's still a bit short at 30-40h

[silk ocean]

I can accept 30-40h of murder cleanup XD it's in the cart, shall be purchased shortly xD

[sweet tusk]

Should I make my alien remains into DNA or biomass?

[silk ocean]

DNA if you want tickets

sloop it all in the stages

double up everything

[hard ivy]

You want a bit converted into biomass for liquid biofuel for the jetpack

But the rest can go into DNA

[sweet tusk]

I think I'll start it with DNA until I get mostly everything I want from the awesome shop, but I use a lot of liquid biofuel because that's what I run my trucks and tractors on so I'll switch it to that later.

[warm phoenix]

#screenshots message
any thoughts on this?

[hard ivy]

I'd swap the pipes and conveyors

So the pipes are above the generators' inputs

[chrome parcel]

Is there a way to make my vertical splitters work with blueprints? When i place them down none of the connections work. I basically have to delete and replug everything in. Tried both auto connect and normal blueprint placing

[warm phoenix]

#screenshots message
like this?

[hard ivy]

should work, but it'd be better to have the junctions horizontal, straight above the splitters

not only are vertical junctions a little janky, but if they're aligned with the splitters, you can feed 2 rows of generators from 1 row of inputs (once you get better belts)

[warm phoenix]

Im sorry but having hard time understanding it

[hard ivy]

https://imgur.com/ObcLEpa

[warm phoenix]

ah

[limpid cairn]

in what tier do you get buyable hard drives?

[silk ocean]

When you have tickets, they are in the awesome shop xD

The "Ticket Era"

[hard ivy]

tier 8 - particle enrichment

they're 100 tickets tho

[limpid cairn]

i have enough tickets dw

[dense violet]

if you're past the bio burner stage probalby just dna

[hard ivy]

plus there's more than enough HDDs on the map

no reason to buy them imo

[limpid cairn]

im sinking cement for 100+h

[limpid cairn]

im lazy

[stray herald]

@warm phoenix nice coal setup!:D

[barren dove]

Did you unluck the somnersloop multiplier already? Use that for the dna production ❤️

[limpid cairn]

guys

what do i do when my game ran out of vram

[silk ocean]

Download more VRAM xD

[steady glade]

download more ram

[hard ivy]

turn down graphics settings and/or resolution

[steady glade]

damn

[upper gale]

Could see them on SCIM 😭 even just the ones that weren't collected yet

[silk ocean]

Which GPU? xD

[hard ivy]

an 8GB one for sure

[silk ocean]

Probs xD

[hard ivy]

though I've never seen the game use more than 6 on mine

[limpid cairn]

3060 ti

8gb yeah

[silk ocean]

UH OH so 8GB xD

[limpid cairn]

i dont even think i ran out of vram, my equipped conveyor belt just made me drop to 2fps lol

[split trench]

How do you know you ran out of VRAM?

[silk ocean]

Are you actually running out of 8 or just concerned

I don't think you can run out of 8GB in Satis

I'm yet to be convinced, despite the Reddit army, that you can run out of 8 in any Triple-A right now XD

(I don't work for nvidia lol)

[plain gate]

because if we're discussing theoretical stuff why wouldn't we assume everyone has max upgrades

[limpid cairn]

no clue tbh

[silk ocean]

You're not likely to run out of 8 in Satisfactory, it's Unreal 5.x, it can deal with it xD

[limpid cairn]

i can play cyberpunk tho on high settings without any issues

[silk ocean]

What are you running Satis in?

[shy mulch]

nvidia are definitely paying zatie

[silk ocean]

I secretly work for the nvidia department of Let's Deploy Less VRAM xD

[shy mulch]

I knew it

[silk ocean]

Busted....

[hard ivy]

Eh, add in some high quality textures and a location that needs to load a lot of them and you can definitely run out of VRAM

Hell, I'm pretty sure I've seen some tests where 8 GB cards get crippled way below their expected performance because the system has to use RAM as VRAM

[silk ocean]

Satisfactory on my rig + windows DWM + whatever else -- running in 4K ultrawide - using a grand total of 6304 MB

With ultra settings

I am not buying the concept that an 8GB card is getting paged out xD

Probably just thrashing the card with sub-optimal gfx settings at a guess

[hard ivy]

I know we are in a Satisfactory discord, but believe it or not, other games do exist and can use more or less VRAM

[silk ocean]

Yes XD Played Horizon Forbidden West lately xD

[hearty plank]

forza horizon 5

[steady glade]

Burnout 3: Takedown > Forza

[plain gate]

devs dont enjoy optimization these days

[silk ocean]

I would beg to differ - the game is hugely optimized compared to like U5/6 era

[steady glade]

please, go tell that to the devs' discord, and the like 5 or 10% of devs in here

[plain gate]

aaa games in general, not this in particular

[steady glade]

is that your perspective as a gamer or as someone in the industry?

[plain gate]

well both, either they don't care to or don't have the budget to

but gpu requirements are getting ridiculous

[limpid cairn]

which intern made the cybertruck in satisfactory... it cant even drive straight

[steady glade]

that's the joke

[hard ivy]

Idk go check out 5060 TI reviews. There's an 8GB and 16GB version and as far as I can tell, they should be otherwise identical

[minor sierra]

you may want to notice the wheels

[silk ocean]

Video games are vastly complex projects, often with millions of lines of C++, optimization for all the platforms, hardware, etc, it's an ongoing work

[minor sierra]

they are in fact very futuristic

[steady glade]

feels like a weird answer from someone who's in the industry

[silk ocean]

Yea they should never be selling the 8GB version imo, 16GB should really be a minimum these days for a mid-high range card imo

[steady glade]

i'd exect a more nuanced take or one with some kind of experience behind it

[plain gate]

it's funny that even flagship cards struggle nowadays on high settings...

[silk ocean]

Perhaps the most frustrating thing over the decades is that you can throw hardware at Triple-A engines and often they just don't utilize it. Often frustrated me a lot - use the damn 32GB of spare RAM, use the VRAM and stop paging from secondary storage, but realistically I know these engines and games are built for low-mid range hardware

[minor sierra]

a lot depends on your resolution no?

native 4k is very memory intensive, but upscaled say using dlss can really help bring that down

[shy mulch]

I don't believe you. Satisfactory is the only game.

[silk ocean]

It's not memory intensive imo

[minor sierra]

imo is not a thing in this case

[silk ocean]

There is a memory charge, sure, but natively rendering at 4K is not hugely memory intensive. It's all the backend stuff. Don't do any of that upscaling stuff

[minor sierra]

it either is, or it isnt, depending on your resolution

without backend stuff wouldnt work no?

im not in the industry, i dont know jack about optimization but the differences in just 1080 and 4k in terms of vram has always been pretty huge

[silk ocean]

I wouldn't worry about VRAM to be honest

Don't focus on that, the engine is very good at dealing with that

Focus on your upscaling nightmare

[tall lodge]

That happens with any modern game at least with those that plan to go to console later, or use an engine that can do it. Because consoles thrive on data throughput over a fixed memory size.

And well unreal and unity games are about 80% of the market at this point.

[silk ocean]

Oh yeah, the blight of consoles will always be a problem xD

[minor sierra]

not enough vram is quite the issue lol

[silk ocean]

I have yet to be convinced

[minor sierra]

well okay, i wont be the one to do so either then

[silk ocean]

What is your CPU

[tall lodge]

You can be. Because vram does not just linearly increases with texture sizes

[silk ocean]

Anyone who blames poor performance on VRAM usually has a weak CPU, weak secondary storage

[spark ruin]

8GB should be fine as long as you stay on high textures without lumen
at least it was on my 6600
tho i never go above 8GB usage on my 9060 XT 16GB soo

[silk ocean]

and usually a weak GPU xD

[minor sierra]

does vram have anything to do with cpu?

genuine question

[silk ocean]

No

[minor sierra]

then whats your point lol

[tall lodge]

Yes it has to a degree, if the CPU can not issue enough draw calls but for that to be a genuine issue you would have to have a huge disparity between the two.

[silk ocean]

Don't blame poor performance on 8GB of video memory

[spark ruin]

kind of, not really
the PCIe gen your CPU + motherboard support is what matters

[steady glade]

a few games right now go above and beyond with ram hunger like Control (12GB - raytracing), and Black Myth Wukong (14GB)

the number of games going stupid high with ram is low rn but in the coming decade the trend should pick up

[minor sierra]

not at all what im saying

[tall lodge]

Like a ryzen 5 3600 could get saturated with draw calls from a 4090, but it can handle a 4070 just fine because of the narrower bus

[minor sierra]

im saying vram capacity is an issue

[spark ruin]

i ran out of VRAM tons of times on my RX 6600 8GB, so you definetely can run out of VRAM on 8GB and get terrible performance

[tall lodge]

the main limit more often then not is the GPU bandwith.

[minor sierra]

this

im saying could be, not that im currently having it lol

[silk ocean]

I have never in the history of gaming ran out of video memory

[spark ruin]

tho Nvidia has better texture compression, so OP's 3060 TI is probably fine as long as he doesnt do 1440p max

[silk ocean]

And I have played a lot of video games, for 30 years xD

[tall lodge]

You do not just plain run out, you just saturate the bus that can not shovel in new data fast enough because it has to evict old things from memory.

so its not just hard crashing but performance massively degrades.

[silk ocean]

I've always ran near-bleeding-edge hardware so I guess I am just immune to this 🙁

[spark ruin]

but this game is the exception not the rule for VRAM
most games i play go way above 8GB at just 1080p

[spark ruin]

cyberprank, J:S, ASA, MGS:D, NMS, MHW, etc

[dull flare]

v ram is short for video ram or smth it’s tied to ur gpu specs and typically u cant get more v ram like u can do with ram or its rather hard

[silk ocean]

It's Unreal 5.x with Nanite (some Nanite) - it's the most amazing engine right now. Throw 8 of VRAM at it, but it's a Factory Builder! You need to throw CPU at it. It's a computationally high demand background simulation

[spark ruin]

if you run out of VRAM your performance will get unnaturally crippled
like you go from 60 to 10-30 (the more PCIe bandwidth you have the more fps)

[silk ocean]

Everybody on Reddit in all games is complaining about Unreal 5. It runs like a frickin DREAM! It's amazing

Just get the hardware to support it

[spark ruin]

fist time ive ever seen someone say UE 5 is amazing LOL

[tall lodge]

Writing good maintainable threaded code is effing hard. Its easy in textbook example but in complex real world application its a nightmare. I speak from experience there. Its okay ish in buisness application but in anything that requires data in fixed intervals in real time like games, its horrible to do

[silk ocean]

It is amazing

[minor sierra]

yeah thats what i figured, i didnt understand why it was suddenly about cpu performance

[dull flare]

reddit is rly hit or miss u either get a group of ppl that know what they’re talking about or act like amebas

[tall lodge]

Reddit is also saying that unity makes games look bad.

Or in other words I would not give much credence to what reddit folks say

[minor sierra]

usually relatively easy to confirm or deny though

[spark ruin]

its mid IMO
its really easy to use and create a game on, however its really dificult to make sure your games look and run well on lower end HW

[dull flare]

depends what info ur looking for

[minor sierra]

fair

[tall lodge]

ue 5 has some issues but they are mostly on the developers side of things.

[silk ocean]

There is no way in my mind that Unreal 5.3/5.4/.. is mid. It's one of the most amazing engines available imo

[spark ruin]

fun fact: yesterday was the first time i used reddit
and it sucks

[spark ruin]

true, post 5.3 is much better than 5.2/.1

[silk ocean]

It's really simple
This rule has existed for as long as I have been playing video games
If you are getting lags, poor performance, slow secondary storage
Here is the brutal reality -->
...
...
here it comes
...
Your computer is shit, get a better one xD

[spark ruin]

developing games on 5.0/5.1/5.2 should be illegal

every single game on those versions run like crap

[spark ruin]

ive seen people with 4080,s and stuff struggle with getting decent performance
only tell this to someone who actually has terrible specs

otherwise you are not helping

[silk ocean]

Well I have a megafac, client is W11 24H2 with a 13900K and a 4090 running on an Ultrawide 4th panel, the LAN server is Linux 12600K. And it still runs on the vsync target. So I can probably say that if you have performance problems -- get better hardware. Same applies to any game

[minor sierra]

vsync

i think ill leave

[spark ruin]

allright
i dont have the energy for this
im just gonna go watch a show

[atomic notch]

Lol

[limpid cairn]

whats the best use of 2925 iron ingots?

[silk ocean]

Of course I run in vsync on this panel, the lowers support g-sync

[hard ivy]

Don't make them unless you know how to use them

[spark ruin]

uhmm

[limpid cairn]

do i make 11700 screws per minute?

[spark ruin]

this

[atomic notch]

Screws ❤️

[silk ocean]

The problem is that most people on the net come and complain about poor performance, but they don't invest in the hardware. They play on shitty laptops or poor hardware in general. I don't go on on holiday, I don't buy cars or expensive things. I buy good PC hardware. And that is what you have to do. If you want to go skiing in Austria, that's cool. But don't complain when you have a shit computer xD

[reef basin]

leaving them until you know what you need from them

[naive orchid]

quick question, are there any tier 7 recipes that make heavy modular frames in an assembler

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch hmf

[minor sierra]

pretty ignorant thing to say

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hmf

[limpid cairn]

you dont even have to invest much into a computer

[silk ocean]

Please do explain how that is ignorant xD

[dull flare]

i was doing some material science research for a silly side project and was getting 2 completely opposite opinions from ppl in 2 different threads

[limpid cairn]

theres only 2 alt recipes for hmf and all of them need a manufactor (and only 1 is good(no screws))

[naive orchid]

wait, there are only 3 alternates

[hard ivy]

And only 1 is in any way useful 🙃

[naive orchid]

yeah wanted to ask if there was a simpler solution since i never automated any heavy modular frames, and instead explored for them

[limpid cairn]

i recommend making the factory expandable for hmf

[atomic notch]

Id rather just deal with lag and save money yk

[naive orchid]

nah my factory is almost vertical atm xd

[hard ivy]

Or just frame gen kekw

[limpid cairn]

how many do you make per minute?

[naive orchid]

i never set up any heavy modular frames

[minor sierra]

it is ignorant because it only takes into account your own situation. Have you considered you might have just gotten lucky?

[naive orchid]

i explored to find any

[carmine aspen]

Ignorance is bliss the say

[naive orchid]

gng 5 sec

brb

[silk ocean]

No absolutely not, as explained. I don't have children. I don't have expensive things. My car is 16 years old. I don't earn much, but I know my priorities. PC hardware. I don't buy that argument.

[minor sierra]

youre basically saying yeah just buy a mclaren those dont break down

[red sun]

it boils down to "if you spend your disposable income on holidays, you can't expect to be able to afford as good pc hardware"

[minor sierra]

simply untrue

[red sun]

yes, and expect to have to sacrifice something else

[silk ocean]

Depends how much you earn. All I'm saying is that people love to complain about poor performance when they don't buy decent hardware

[red sun]

pretty much

[atomic notch]

Idk man i could drop like 5k on a good pc i just dont want to bc its just a game yk

[tall lodge]

Its literally a "stop being poor" facedesk

[limpid cairn]

5k is a lot for a pc when you can buy like decent to good hardware for 2k already

[true mulch]

What could you possibly spend 5k on in a computer

[minor sierra]

also, youre still disregarding that a pc can run poorly even if it is a good one

[hard ivy]

CLC

[silk ocean]

It's not just a game. If your idea of PC gaming is that then yes, don't go there

[red sun]

that's fair, the point is that if you don't put a relatively big chunk of money towards hardware there's only so far a game dev's optimisation will take you

[limpid cairn]

5090 costs around 3k (for some versions)

[red sun]

pcs are expensive

[silk ocean]

I never said spend 5k on a rig

[true mulch]

You can get a PC that runs any present day game on high graphics for 1,5k USD

[limpid cairn]

even less

[silk ocean]

All I ever said is that people complain the game doesn't run well when they have a shit computer

It's not the fault of Unreal

[atomic notch]

Idk anything about computers prolly like apple vision pro

[wise crater]

5090 is $3k

but satisfactory ran fine on my 2070

[atomic notch]

Yeah it runs fine on mine and when it doesnt ill upgrade

[limpid cairn]

But apple products don’t cost money, they cost organs

[red sun]

runs fine on my 2080s too

[carmine aspen]

Satisfactory is more resource hungry than intensive

[silk ocean]

The biggest frustration/irony of my life is that all of these complaining noobs have NO IDEA how babysitted they are with these modern graphics engines. Supersampling, deep learning supersampling, post proces AA and millions of lines to babysit the new generation. and yet they complain. Send all of these kids back 20-30 years and they will learn about the reality of hardware and gaming

[spark ruin]

please give an excaple of what you think is a shit computer
with a spec list plz

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I did full playthroughs on U6 and U8 on 2080. You just don't go ultimate-everything for settings

[minor sierra]

you sound like my old teacher saying no one ever listens to cds anymore

which is also false lol

[silk ocean]

Perhaps just send me your spec xD

[atomic notch]

If you turn the scaling to 75 it runs fine on my rx 5500 xt

[spark ruin]

okay
kekw

[red sun]

think my game is set to medium-high, lumen is turned off and I'm using a 3440x1440 monitor

[silk ocean]

I can't just arbitrarily say something is good or not xD

[spark ruin]

okay, do you think an RX 9060 XT 16GB is a good GPU ?

[unkempt blade]

Yeah that sounds about right for what I had. My current 7900xtx obviously runs it better but the 2080 was for sure more than adequate

[red sun]

I'd say if your pc struggles with the Sims 4 then it's poopoo

[wise crater]

9060xt gpu

[red sun]

that's like bare mins

[wise crater]

is good

[wise crater]

wut

[silk ocean]

No idea, CPU, resolution, settings, advanced settings?

[red sun]

bare minimum

[spark ruin]

what is bare minimum ?
the 9060 16gb ? 👻

[rare rivet]

Im lookin at computer recipes and even tho the crystal computer uses quartz, which is rather limited, it seems to reduce the overall cost of the computer a ton. Thoughts?

[red sun]

#satisfactory message

[spark ruin]

oh no, thats below bare minimum thats trashbox tier

[silk ocean]

Just cancel the holiday and get a better PC xD

[unkempt blade]

I think the crystal and caterium sets of computer-related recipes are a lot of fun but I'm not really sure I've ever felt like either is significantly better than the default

[atomic notch]

Cancel the holiday lol what holiday

[hard ivy]

Or stop buying garbage on shein and temu

[spark ruin]

why would CPU matter to wether or not a GPU is good ?

[silk ocean]

Cancel the non-existent holiday

[red sun]

for me the default recipes are more often than not good enough. I'll only use an alt recipe if I have a very specific use case for it

[velvet idol]

just don't be poor

[silk ocean]

It's a factory bullder. It needs CPU. Client needs GPU xD

[rare rivet]

It just seems like copper and plastic usage shoot up though, and both of those are rather limited too, unless i'm missing something

[stray herald]

I am planning factory logistics mid lecture I'm cooked 💔

[red sun]

this game is all consuming

[naive orchid]

im back

[hard ivy]

I usually do caterium computer + caterium board, but crystal computer + silicon board are decent too

[stray herald]

I've started using pure copper to make more

[spark ruin]

i meant in general
allright
back to watching a show

[hard ivy]

Been there, done that

[topaz shale]

Funny how when I tried to have my aluminum machines' waste water seperated from fresh water, even when everything is set up and working correctly, the aluminum scrap eventually gives out more water than I can use. Had to use a VIP junction to keep things moving. This game is so amazing.

[stray herald]

All I think about is efficiency

[minor sierra]

it needs both innit

[unkempt blade]

I'd disagree about the plastic especially if you have diluted fuel, heavy oil residue and recycled plastic/rubber. Copper does see a lot of usage though so I usually have to expand at some point for more of that

[silk ocean]

Yep

[rare rivet]

by "limited" i mean comparing extraction rates available from the map, regardless of the processing steps they are more limited than others, copper less so

[minor sierra]

did you build your pc yourself btw zatie?

[stray herald]

Ah yes that I agree with

[atomic notch]

No his mom built it for him

[rare rivet]

hmmm yeah plastic is fairly plentiful but it's like 1:2 ratio for oil to plastic afaik

meaning you're gonna be using a ton of oil just for plastic

[minor sierra]

not here to hate lol

[unkempt blade]

You can do somewhoere around 1 oil : 3 plastic with the recipes I mentioned I believe. I'd have to run it through a tool to confirm

[silk ocean]

Just get a better computer and not a laptop xD

[rare rivet]

hmmm, we're already using a lot of caterium but i'll look into that

[silk ocean]

Nobody complains when they have a good computer.. ish xD

[minor sierra]

itd be more useful and and kinder to say: a desktop generally has better performance than a laptop, even for the same parts since laptops often have mobile versions or thermal issues. If you dont need it to be portable, a desktop is the smarter choice for your money

[velvet idol]

unless they play Monster Hunter Wilds

[minor sierra]

instead of "just buy better pc lol noob"

[silk ocean]

Desktop is portable, put a seatbelt on it

[minor sierra]

holy shit im done

youre not completely wrong, its possible, but man you really dont care

[atomic notch]

This what i mean dude

[rare rivet]

1:2.89 using oil->hor->diluted->recycled loop for plastic and then the polymer resin to make more plastic

[unkempt blade]

I lived through the LAN-strap era and just did my first in person LAN in like a decade a few weeks ago and carrying a full tower was so much worse than I remembered it 😆

[atomic notch]

His mom def built it for him

[silk ocean]

Been there many times, it was the best xD

The fun of taking your kit to a LANParty was amazing

All these ipad, instagram, tablet, shitty hardware kids these days literally have no idea how amazing gaming and LANParties were back in the 80s/90/s00/s

[rare rivet]

for plastic and rubber the like loop of the two recycled recipes is the most efficient use of oil right? recycled rubber into recycled plastic which goes back to the recycled rubber then just take the excess out of whichever you want?

[unkempt blade]

yeah I've been on ventrilo/teamspeak/discord/etc for a decent chunk of my life now and can mostly get my social needs met but in person hits different for sure

[limpid cairn]

Just live in Switzerland (why is everyone there making like 10 grand every month )

[silk ocean]

Ventrolo/Teamspeak was the bulk of my 12 year WoW career yep

[limpid cairn]

How many hours did you manage to gather in those 12 years of wow?

[silk ocean]

11,500 give or take, and I hold some of the rarest achievements of all time

I ran a progressive guild for 4 years and then I went into hardcore raiding for 3 years

[tame marlin]

hello question im still in phase 2. Should i make a auto farm for the smart platings or just manually put the items into the constructuror? my question is more like, are the smart platings something i will want a lot of in the future or do they do nothing and are just for this quest?
i dont know which items are important to automate and how much basically. are the items in the space elevator not important to make many off or are they also useful for other stuff?

[unkempt blade]

automate it and leave it running, you'll need more for future space elevator stuff

[topaz shale]

Handcrafting something as advanced as turbomotors is so funny to me.

[tame marlin]

versatile framework and automated wiring automated too?

[void cliff]

Smart plating is still used in phase 4/5

[void cliff]

I did it for super computers in phase 4, lol

[topaz shale]

You could definitely hand place the crafting materials into machines up until phase 3. By then, you may want to automate everything.

[topaz shale]

Yup so damn funny.

[unkempt blade]

yeah I tend to do temporary manufacturers or whatever right when I unlock stuff like that and just handfeed some storage inputs until I get the real thing set up

[topaz shale]

It actually helps get things set up faster.

[unkempt blade]

it's nice to get a pile of stuff for new buildings/other research categories even if it's the not the long term answer

[topaz shale]

Also, I'm almost done with this damn phase 4 factory. I already sent a photo of it in #screenshots . It is beautiful and probably my favorite way to build massive factory chains.

[topaz shale]

Depending on the building, it might be the long term answer lol

At least for me.

[limpid cairn]

Not even 1k hours per year

[silk ocean]

Oh I hold much more rare xD

[outer scarab]

I feel like I'm trying to paint a picture but I have the hands of a cat and the attention span of a gold fish....

I just cant make what I want

[unkempt blade]

That's just learning something new. Just need to focus on your improvement and not worry about some friction right now

[limpid cairn]

or you are smart and ask any of the 50 AIs existing to do it for you

[topaz shale]

Make what you can and focus on the things that you enjoy doing. Your buildings don't have to be masterpieces as long as you built them and enjoy it.

[unkempt blade]

people should look at their old factories/saves now and then and see how much better they've gotten 😆

[limpid cairn]

i remember my first oil factory

i used 2 pure nodes for 5 refineries

[outer scarab]

I cant look at my old saves b/c they wont even load b/c of the update

[topaz shale]

I feel like I went backwards with my buildings lol

[rare rivet]

okay yeah i hadnt fully templated it yet but now after doing so it seems like the normal recipe is fine, uses a little bit more copper and like 5.3x the plastic but not an ungodly amount of plastic. with the recipes i chose 10 computers would be 320 plastic/m which i think is entirely reasonable

[unkempt blade]

haha I stopped playing 3d factorio and went waaaaay down the decorative rabbit hole

[outer scarab]

I just want to be able to incorporate the land instead of building over it

[topaz shale]

I definitely won't have that kind of time anymore once my career starts up lol. I'm rushing to at least finish this game and save the day.

[limpid cairn]

@outer scarab focus first on bringing it into existance, you can make it better later

[unkempt blade]

if you haven't looked at #screenshots or #design-and-architecture much yet people post some really cool stuff in there sometimes

might give you some inspiration

[outer scarab]

I'm the opposite, I played for a year during COVID then had to work until recently. Now I want to get back into it now I have time

the problem is I'm trying to do something most people dont do. Small buildings but lots of them

[limpid cairn]

theres someone who covered the entire desert with small buildings

[outer scarab]

I'm trying to start with a grid pattern road system but I just keep building in the air and covering the ground

[unkempt blade]

I like to do global skyroad/train networks and then build my factories into the skyroads as the "supports"

[limpid cairn]

train networks...? why no factory cart networks...?

[unkempt blade]

those go inside the factories and/or on the skyroads - variety is nice 😄

[topaz shale]

I personally enjoy making my railways move with the land. Pretty easy to do with the right blueprint and auto connect mode.

Finally got all of tier 7 and 8 unlocked. Time to finish phase 4.

[outer scarab]

I once did a 50 cart road network for lols

[shy mulch]

My crowning moment was when someone copied a factory layout that I posted in screenshots. Life is complete now. I'm basically famous

[unkempt blade]

you're truly a generational architect now!

[shy mulch]

Absolutely. It eclipses little achievements like filling a storage with golden nut statues

[outer scarab]

Do you have a link I cant find it

[outer scarab]

Someone took my splitter build, thats about all I can say

[unkempt blade]

I get @'d about factory cart stuff so I'm basically an influencer now

[outer scarab]

If you build a splitter/merger on a vertical belt it clips inside it, making it compact. It looks sweet if you are splitting off a bus

[shy mulch]

I really like the vibe of Kibitz factories. But when I try to recreate the style I just end up with a massive expanse of concrete with buildings with too much space between them and loads of unnecessary architecture pieces that don't really work visually

[outer scarab]

I just hate megabases

it's been done to death

[shy mulch]

Everything has, I guess. So just do what makes you happy 🥰

[outer scarab]

I have yet to see a good city build

I have seen good buildings, but not a city

or I have seen a city but it was all empty with no function

[shy mulch]

Amelieofthesea

[outer scarab]

idk what that means

[shrewd palm]

stations first and then build teh rail around it

[topaz shale]

First compression cube made. I always underestimate the needs for some of these items.

[outer scarab]

my favorite is the amount of copper sand you need

[topaz shale]

Also, I just noticed that if you have the hoverpack and fly into a glass wall, it makes a thud sound and no other wall makes that sound if you hit it.

[shrewd palm]

that happens when you run into windows

[topaz shale]

Using somersloops for the copper powder is pretty much necessary for that.

[shrewd palm]

doesnt necessarily have to be a hoverpack

[outer scarab]

yah I always use SS for end items

[shrewd palm]

you only need 96 if you overclock (for 60 pasta)

if slooping anything for pasta i'd probably either do the conversion cubes or pasta itself

[naive orchid]

ONG I AUTOMATED SUPERCOMPUTERS

ALTERNATES GOATEDDD

now i just need to automate heavy modular frames and fused modular frames...

[dense violet]

are you makign them just out of oil and caterium?

[naive orchid]

nope, out of computers, e-control rods, batteries and wire

[peak wasp]

Hello Satisfactory Community! You see, I'd like to explain something if it's not too much trouble. I'm a guy from Spain and a huge fan of this game because I love the factory-building theme and all that, but I can't get the game because I don't have any money and no one wants to buy it or give it to me. Could someone please do me the kind gesture and try to gift me the game on Steam? Thanks!

[dense violet]

oh sure but I'm pretty sure there's a recipe path that you can make the whole thing from start to finish just from those 2 resourdces

[topaz shale]

Oh for sure but I was also in the mind to use as little somer sloop as possible and slooping the copper was able to cut my copper needs in half already so I just went with that. Only need 1 sloop for copper vs 4 for the end items.

[naive orchid]

idk lme check

[dense violet]

which I find neat

[naive orchid]

yeah u can make OC supercomputers in assemblers but they require radio control units, which without alternates require crystal oscilators

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Obx8jlLJHg4fZbOKfsBe

[dense violet]

OC supercomputer is an extremely niche recipe. It's nice you can use assemblers to make them just from 2 parts, but they consume a ton more resources per unit

it's a weird one. I'm not sure what situation makes it a good path. I suppose if you like making those two parts and just want assemblers instead of a bunch of manufacturers ?

[naive orchid]

gang what

this is GENIUS but it also requires alot of power

[dense violet]

power is pretty trivial

and it's for 10 super computers pm so a good amount of production

[naive orchid]

i already have 50 :)

[dense violet]

fair 🙂 but 6gw isn't much

[peak wasp]

Hello Satisfactory Community! You see, I'd like to explain something if it's not too much trouble. I'm a guy from Spain and a huge fan of this game because I love the factory-building theme and all that, but I can't get the game because I don't have any money and no one wants to buy it or give it to me. Could someone please do me the kind gesture and try to gift me the game on Steam? Thanks!

[dense violet]

begging is against server rules
as is spamming which is now what this is

[naive orchid]

dont spam..

[peak wasp]

oh sorry

[naive orchid]

if you dont have money ask someone you know

or maybe get it from your birthday

[peak wasp]

I already did it but everyone has told me no.

[naive orchid]

idk how old are u but whatevers best

[peak wasp]

My parents never want to buy me any computer games.

i have tried all my options

[naive orchid]

idk, did u try steamunlocked or steamgg? they probably work but they dont support multiplayer

[dense violet]

sadly participation in work might be your only option 🙁

[peak wasp]

i have parental control on my pc

[naive orchid]

both have free steam games

[dense violet]

keep an eye on Epic Store games, might go on the free sale at some point. Check every week

[naive orchid]

but u can disable that while it's downloading?

[peak wasp]

no

[shrewd frost]

But discord, twitter, git hub, steam are okay?

[naive orchid]

on your parents phone or something

[peak wasp]

because are normal apps

[jade marlin]

is it still possible to build a subway train system (aka under the map)?

[peak wasp]

but any file from for example steamgg i can't download ir

[naive orchid]

if you have a kzdillion inhalers go for it

[peak wasp]

my mother has to accept it

[leaden turret]

aren't those both piracy sites?

[shrewd frost]

Womp womp

[naive orchid]

no idea, i js learned they appereantly sell free steam games

[jade marlin]

you could at least attempt to stay within map bounds. unless they are aligned with actual topography...
is that the case?

[midnight vessel]

Are we going to get more icons for elevator panels at some point? Just having the Monochrome category and not item icons (or at least numbers) makes it mildly pointless for me to set the floors to anything but names and hover over each button 1 by 1 to see what floor is what.

[topaz shale]

Huzaah, finally got pretty much all the items automated for the construction of the phase 4 items. Very exciting time after nearly 130hrs to get to this point.

[exotic garnet]

hi guess who

[peak wasp]

🙁

[midnight vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-who-board-game-80s-retro-gif-14394728

[naive orchid]

gtg

[exotic garnet]

well why is the game fun even if i struggle at being creative at designing and raging after that

[jade marlin]

because you are (likely) mesmerized by seeing numbers go up and items travel along a belt.

[exotic garnet]

i know how the stuff work is just to make it look decent

i have 735.4 hours on the game lol

[jade marlin]

game lab has very cool designs (though not a lot; you can use that as inspiration). you could watch a few of his showcases

[outer scarab]

is there not a 1/4th foundation?

[midnight vessel]

theres a 1m tall foundation, yes

[outer scarab]

i mean there is a 1/2 foundation

but not a 1/4

[jade marlin]

no there isnt (unless you use mods)

[midnight vessel]

oh you mean that dimension

[outer scarab]

rip this design

welp back to the drawing board

[jade marlin]

you can use pillars to attempt to create an illusion of that

[outer scarab]

no I am trying to make a road grid

[jade marlin]

not sure how good that will work though

[topaz shale]

I kinda gave up on making things look nice. At least for the belts. I did design a blueprint that acts as a store with an input and output spot. Makes making huge factories kinda easy.

[jade marlin]

ok and what else? use small pillars next to each other and you have a small area filled...

[outer scarab]

its not a small area though, its my road

[exotic garnet]

well i don't really care about that match of advance i just care like these clean looking buildings like totalexclipse or daren

[jade marlin]

if you want a 1/4 foundation then that is a small space

[shy mulch]

Make the road bigger then can use full foundations 😝

[jade marlin]

then use the design(s)...
total even has tutorials on how you could decorate your factories

[outer scarab]

yes thats the idea, I was running 1/2 foundations as side walks next to my road but they make a 3/4th square at intersections so it doesnt work

[jade marlin]

use catwalks

very simple solution

[outer scarab]

i'm not making catwalk roads

[jade marlin]

no i mean using them as sidewalks. they are small enough that they are 1/4 foundation each so that works

also you could just always nudge a normal foundation into existing foundations and call it a day (if z-fighting is acceptable)

[outer scarab]

yah i dont like the clipping look

[vale grotto]

I also remember seeing on the reddit someone found some complicated setup to eliminate z-fighting entirely

[outer scarab]

maybe for certain instances, but this is my foundation

you can put a foundation 1mm below another and it removes the zfighting

[topaz shale]

I'm very surprised that I've gotten as far as I'm currently am. Very happy with myself.

[outer scarab]

good job keep it up

[jade marlin]

you can do the funny trick where you put a metal beam on top of the clipping foundation and then replace the foundation on the bottom of said beam. if they didnt change that, then the clipping should be gone

[outer scarab]

you are a good employee

[silk ocean]

Work harder

FICSIT requires more work

[jade marlin]

its "just" shifting platforms a few pixels up and down

there are multiple ways (presumably)

[outer scarab]

wish there was a bigger blue print. I am having to make them in parts and combine them :/

[jade marlin]

mods...

[outer scarab]

mods keep breaking my game

[jade marlin]

there is one that gives you a MASSIVE blueprint

[outer scarab]

no thanks

[topaz shale]

I enjoy a good qol mod. I do have a few in my save lol Thankfully nothing broke my save yet.

[jade marlin]

if you dont want to use mods just wait a bit and you'll have 5x5 in no time (and 6x6 a bit later)
(assuming you are using 4x4 right now)

[outer scarab]

i'm literally using a 6x6

but i'm trying to make roads

[feral geyser]

That's big enough

[outer scarab]

and the intersections are too big for the blue print

[jade marlin]

well roads should be tilable...

[feral geyser]

Make them 4 foundations wide, intersections make 6×6

[jade marlin]

how big is your road?

what are you using it for?

[outer scarab]

gridding out the base

it's currently 2 lane with a median and 1/2 foundation sidewalks

so its 5x6

[jade marlin]

then make the intersection in a way that each street that leads into it be just half a foundation. then you have 5x5 in the middle and halfs on each side

[dense violet]

so make it in multiple BPs. put like 4 BP machines next to each other and do the things

the amount of key strokes you've spent complaining about it would have been enough for several dozen intersections being placed

[outer scarab]

right but thats why i'm ending up with clipping

[jade marlin]

not if using half foundations. and if for some reason there is still clipping: look up a tutorial...

[outer scarab]

thats not a thing

I just have to redesign the road

[jade marlin]

if you want to do that, i wont stop you. but always remember to have fun

[feral geyser]

You could try doing your road 4×6. Four foundations is enough for a two lane truck highway.

[wise agate]

Hai

[outer scarab]

a single road takes 5x5 on a blueprint for an intersection :/ and I dont like how it looks

uhg, now its doing that stupid thing where it rotates every time I build

guess ill just do a block 5x5 with no median

[rustic pier]

Wish we had a t3 blueprint maker.. but then again i am just making single modules of production in a compact form so i am not bound by whatever number of them that i created in the first place xD

[shrewd palm]

5x5 would be enough for 2 lanes with a median wouldnt it?

[outer scarab]

its 3 lanes with a line in the middle

er 2 lanes but 3 foundation

[shrewd palm]

i dont know exactly what you're doing but if you had a 5 foundation road with something in the middle that could bea road

and then the intersection would just be filling up the entire blueprint

[leaden turret]

blueprint with 2 lanes and a half-foundation middle on the edge

[outer scarab]

tried that, the problem is half foundations clip at intersections

b/c there is no 1/4th foundation

also the blue print wasnt lining up right

[feral geyser]

We do have a Mk 3 Blueprinter

[rustic pier]

Oh.. i guess i havent gotten that far lol.. im working my way through phase 8

[shrewd palm]

and there are mods that i think bring the blueprinter up to 12x12

i had to use that for water extractors

[feral geyser]

Extractors?

You can't put those in blueprinters?

[outer scarab]

.... uhg, it's so ugly.... fml

[shrewd palm]

you can with mods!

[feral geyser]

Ugh

[shrewd palm]

my nuclear plant location was like 80% outside of the world border for water extractors so i had to fiddle with things a little bit

although it got me a blueprint with 2 600 pipes of water so im happy with it

[outer scarab]

ok I came up with a blue print that I think will work

[wicked marlin]

Got a question, How do I remove empty slots in the DD? I like to put random junk in there for when I dont want to carry it but they do take up space and make visual clutter when i empty them later.

[feral geyser]

You don't

[wicked marlin]

💀

[outer scarab]

posted my road in Design and Arch

let me know what you think

[feral geyser]

To be fair, you wouldn't want to do that, but they should give us a feature to sort dimensional depot

[outer scarab]

what do you mean sort?

[wicked marlin]

like the reverse of a pin, put it at the bottom of the list.

[outer scarab]

isnt there a search bar?

[carmine aspen]

How would that work?

[feral geyser]

Looks pretty cool, maybe make the intersection more like a roundabout? It'll be easier to navigate, i think.

[outer scarab]

I am avoiding curves

[wicked marlin]

read the previous texts.

[plain gate]

making a left turn seems very finnicky

[feral geyser]

Hmmm

[outer scarab]

thats fine its not going to be used by actual cars

[jade marlin]

curves arent too hard (especially with the correct set of blueprints)

[outer scarab]

its just suppose to be my base for the ground level to lay out my grid

This will run along the world level and then the real roads will be above

[feral geyser]

The road itself doesn't even have to be curved, but
The block can be square, but with roundabout in the middle out of the corner round foundations

[outer scarab]

true

[feral geyser]

But also if you aren't gonna use it for driving, it doesn't matter

[outer scarab]

tried it, didnt look right

so.... there are no half foundation ramps... this is going to be an issue when changing elevation

[feral geyser]

I did sidewalks with catwalks on my road blueprints

[silk rose]

my steam doesnt say anything about recent update

what have they done

[coarse willow]

is the update something i shoulld care about

[feral geyser]

New mob

[coarse willow]

now ay pinky promise

[feral geyser]

No... 😢

One can dream, though

In the meantime, I'll go actually play Sanctum

[silk ocean]

Getting relatively good hardware is not that hard

[coarse willow]

ok

[silk rose]

yeah like half of average paycheck

[silk ocean]

Get a better job

[silk rose]

i said average

but sure its easy if you mean 1050 by good hardware

i can get like 40 satisfactoy copies for good hardware price

[silk ocean]

1050 is a piece of shit

[silk rose]

i guess 1050ti can run factory

[silk ocean]

lol no

[silk rose]

on least settings

[hard ivy]

All 50 and 60 class cards are pointless to buy

[silk rose]

lol

depends

[hard ivy]

Just buy a used last gen 70 or 80 class and get double the performance

[silk ocean]

It doesn't depend

They are trash

[mental mica]

Dear Coffee Stain,

Thank you for taking the time to read my last note. My Friend Thuggish and I thank you.

DEDICATED SERVER
• Potential fixes to desync issues by adding a keepalive mechanism to the TCP implementation of Reliable Messaging

Sincerely Truly Yours,

Friend of Thuggish

P.S. - I hope you like our crash log stories.
P.P.S. - Snutt and Jace are still in our hearts, but @void gorge is doing a great job!

[silk ocean]

Wrong channel xD

[dapper breach]

guys, how long are the days and nights in this game?

[silk rose]

you cant compare using different price categories

i could say get used 60s

[sly bramble]

My satisfactory updated today, and the server i play on hasnt. is there a way to downgrade my version

[outer scarab]

you cant zoop blueprints... right?

[spark ruin]

it 100% can

[shy mulch]

45 mins of day then 15 mins of night

[outer scarab]

its better to just ask that the server get updated

[dapper breach]

thanks

[sly bramble]

sadly cant do that rn

[spark ruin]

its not good tho by any stretch of the imagination

[silk rose]

1050 could in 2020 when i started playing but it was long ago

[burnt girder]

how the do you get the pioneer. and lead pioneer ?

[silk rose]

only thing i know is @ greeny made satisfactory tools website

[spark ruin]

50 cards ? 100%
60 ? not always, theres a bunch that are quite good

[silk rose]

is there 5050? 💀

[silk ocean]

No?

[silk rose]

thank god

[plush dawn]

yes

[silk rose]

what

[plush dawn]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-series/rtx-5050/

[silk ocean]

Yes? xD

[silk rose]

8gb vram 💀

[spark ruin]

yup

its actually the biggest improvement from last card in the same bracket

also a bunch more expensive

[silk rose]

lmao they dont show actual fps on website, only improvment reached with that frame degeneration

[silk ocean]

Seems like the GPU and NVENC

[silk rose]

they dont state but i bet its pcie x8

[silk ocean]

Why uses websites? compute it locally?

[silk rose]

what, do you mean i need to personally benchmark this piece of ..

[silk ocean]

I am braced for you using a shitphone xD

[silk rose]

whar

[silk ocean]

One of those peasant little devices. Not a gaming rig with 4+ screens xD

[silk rose]

and im using that whatever that is?

[sick dragon]

Oi peoples livelihoods be on that peasant device

[spark ruin]

theres dozens of benchbarks online
you dont need to get it yourself to know that

[silk rose]

yes nut i mean they dont show actual benchamark only because how bad it is

5x improvement means you get same 10 frames but blured to 30

[spark ruin]

its actually 84% better than the 3050 on this site im looking at right now

and right there with the 4060

4060 is 3% bettah

[carmine aspen]

Imagine playing satisfactory on a samsung fridge

[silk rose]

pioneer experience

[silk rose]

how much 5050 does in satisfactory on all maxed settings

[spark ruin]

IDK

[silk rose]

i guess 5fps

oh 10 with frame generation

[spark ruin]

you people

[silk rose]

we people yes

[velvet idol]

it can probably reach 60 at 1080p

[silk rose]

but i mean 4k

1070 can 60

[velvet idol]

if 1070 can 60, then 5050 can 60

[silk rose]

with lumen off tho

i had 1070ti on update 7

[spark ruin]

and post U8 is a LOT heavier on the GPU, lol

[silk rose]

sure

[spark ruin]

like at least 50%

[silk rose]

if you mean lumen

[spark ruin]

no, without lumen

-50%
i tested this

[silk rose]

not that much then

maybe you are out of vram or something

what the gpu

[spark ruin]

i did NOT run out of VRAM

if i did it would be more like -95%+

[silk rose]

how much vram do you have

[spark ruin]

i had 8GB, i have 16 now
and i was NOT running out of VRAM

[silk rose]

maxed settings take like 12gb tho

[spark ruin]

frack no

8GB absolute max at 1080p

closer to 6 without lumen

[silk rose]

11 on 4k just checked

[spark ruin]

god
why not test 8K then hm ?

[silk rose]

cuz i dont have 8k monitor

yet

how much for one tho

[spark ruin]

you dont need one to test 8K

[silk rose]

ah yes

but i dont wanna

[spark ruin]

just use DSR or VSR 😎

[silk rose]

or use ssaa

[spark ruin]

DSR/VSR = SSAA

[silk rose]

ok

then dsr = vsr

[spark ruin]

obviously

[silk rose]

im happy with quality fsr

no aa needed

[silk rose]

nothing important i see

[desert bridge]

I got the diluted fuel alt and immediately replaced all those packagers with blenders

I put a SS of it in the channel lol

[spark oracle]

I’m working on “automating” phase 3 rn

The most spaghettified horror I’ve ever seen

Bc I don’t wanna connect trains until I get next logistics tier bc I need faster conveyor belts to fully use a couple miners then I’ll actually make it nice

[desert bridge]

yeah i got annoyed using the jetpack so i was like im getting the hover pack asap

[spark oracle]

THAT TOO

i hate jetpack while building

[rigid glen]

If you're using the jetpack for building, that annoyance is on you

It's not made for it

[spark oracle]

im well aware

counter point: I dont have hover pack

and im not gonna place 5 lookout towers every time i want a new production line

[rigid glen]

O.o

[small notch]

hello

[spark oracle]

hello

[dry ibex]

hello

[carmine aspen]

hello

[spark oracle]

peep the screenshot @desert bridge

[small notch]

im working on oil power rn and im going to use the packaged dilute fuel alternate but i need packaged water for it but then i need to unpackage the fuel once made. so can i just recycle the canisters from unpackaging the fuel and put them into packaging water and just have an infinite loop

[spark oracle]

yes

[small notch]

k thanks

[spark oracle]

#screenshots message
thats what i did and it is NOT fun

however it does look really cool with packaged water going out and canisters coming in

[small notch]

WHEN DO U UJNLOCK GEOTHERMAL POWER

oops caps mb

[spark oracle]

tier 7 or 8 i think

[small notch]

k ty

[astral gyro]

I would say automate the production of canisters into the packager originally and start filling a buffer container, then connect the buffer container into a merger after the constructors that would be filling the packager to create a loop, then eventually disconnect plastic and it should all level off if there is an overflow splitter to a sink

[small notch]

nvm just learnt its fluctuating power i dont want that

[astral gyro]

Thats atleast what I did

[spark oracle]

you definitely need a buffer

i just made them with steel bc I needeed a ton

[astral gyro]

Like after the unpackager is where you put the buffer chest connected back into the merged line

[small notch]

theres an alt recipe to canisters?

[spark oracle]

ye

[small notch]

didnt know that

[astral gyro]

Really once it is overflowing into the sink is where you could disconnect the plastic and the system should be balanced

[small notch]

gota go on hard drive hunt again now

[spark oracle]

i wouldnt

kind of a waste i time its only temporary

[astral gyro]

This tbh

[small notch]

k

[spark oracle]

just steup some constructors to make a bunch of canisters while you set up the rest of your oil

[astral gyro]

But yeah my canisters are all closed loop but the constructors are still there incase something happens lol

[zenith breach]

is anyone elses satisaftory just crashing?

[small notch]

i need 400 water cans a min 😢 i hate fluids

[spark oracle]

i need 800\

[reef goblet]

Can I ask a question?

[spark oracle]

wait no sorry 1600

[small notch]

bro thats too much

[astral gyro]

You just need 400 water, thats basically 4 water extractors

[spark oracle]

its off 1 oil node 😭

[astral gyro]

Have 2 connected to half of your packagers and 2 connected to the rest if you dont have water logistics 2 yet

[small notch]

im running this first set up of an impure i found

i have 2 normal and 1 pure available tho

[spark oracle]

#screenshots message

this is my packaged water setup

its 800 packaged water on each side

[small notch]

dayum

[astral gyro]

I built a setup off of a pure node, i am about to build a way bigger setup off of a pure node with overclocked extractor, I was planning it out last night but its worrying me lol

[spark oracle]

thats what mine is lol

1 pure node overclocked to 600

[astral gyro]

#screenshots message

Thats my small, slightly overclocked single pure node

With all of the power gens fully overclocked

Its making roughly 3k rn, the new one will make way way more lol

[low monolith]

hi factory nerds, i want to move around 2200u/min with a train. how many wagons should i need? does it depend on the distance between the stations? if so i must try and see what works?

[spark oracle]

hi ive never used a train but i thik you need to do some math based on how long the train takes to get to each depot

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a certain reddit post that you can search for the actual calculation.

[hard ivy]

Why?

[small notch]

just pmo tbh

[flint aspen]

Diluted fuel I’m guessing?

At least default rate is 60/min so 400/min isn’t all that bad

[spark oracle]

400/min fluids is mad ez

[hard ivy]

But then you just loop them?

[flint aspen]

Yee

I can’t think of any other reason to need to make packaged water ngl

Excess water can be just made into wet concrete and sunk

[hard ivy]

Truck, train or drone transport. But then you just loop them too

[flint aspen]

Water is plentiful enough that’s it’s usually easier to just pipe in from somewhere nearby

[woeful ocean]

do we have any idea what 1.2 update will be?

[flint aspen]

Not at all

[astral gyro]

You loop the canisters yeah, but I just had production going into a buffer with overflow into a sink until I had a large backlog of containers and then looped them lol

[astral gyro]

There is no excess water in diluted fuel

[hard ivy]

Why would you do that lmao

Blueprint a closed loop with canisters already in it

Starts instantly, can't break, and uses only 20 canisters per refinery

[flint aspen]

I know, I was saying that in another case that you have excess water you’d be better off using wet concrete than making canisters to sink

[astral gyro]

Maybe it was my first time using a closed loop system and wanted to make sure I had enough incase I did my math wrong at any point? I also now have an excess of canisters i could use somewhere else to create another closed loop system

[flint aspen]

For packaged diluted fuel you have one refinery making packaged diluted fuel, one packager unpackaging it, and one packaging water, all in a closed loop

The numbers balance out perfectly

It’s great lol

[astral gyro]

Yeah I did 4s, but had the prestep of constructors feeding new canisters into the system with an overflow sink off the other side so when it started overflowing I just stopped canisters production and let it flow

It has since stopped overflowing and the system is balanced

I was making enough plastic anyway to support the system lol

[left mauve]

is there an easy way to copy something in the same place but higher with the interactive map?

i need 3 more floors of this #screenshots message

[spark oracle]

with the map? no

with blueprints you could do it but it would be a lot of work regardless

[shy mulch]

bah I thought I'd escaped screws this time around, but I just noticed one part of my plan involves 4500/min of them, oops, oh well time to beast out the steel screws alt 😄

[spark oracle]

what the hell are you making

[left mauve]

with the map on satisfactory-caculator.com to be clear, i dont mean the ingame map

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure you can move a selection in XYZ, no?

[shy mulch]

180/min rotors

[spark oracle]

oh i see

yea thatll do it

[hard ivy]

Use steel rotor then?

[spark oracle]

yawn

[left mauve]

yeah but how do i copy?

[spark oracle]

to be clear you cant move the entire structure

you need to dismantle it and built it higher

but you could make blueprints to make it "easier"

and you would have to manually copy the design

[rustic pier]

I do like how we can delet blueprint instead of having to delete everything individually

[shy mulch]

less materials overall to do it this way

[spark oracle]

yes indeed epic

[hard ivy]

You're using copper rotor at least I hope?

[left mauve]

do you know what SCIM is?

[spark oracle]

no

[shy mulch]

I've never done save game editing in SCIM but I've seen people move entire structures with that and it seemed pretty easy

[left mauve]

then we are not talking about the same thing lol

[leaden turret]

scim questions are best answered on the scim discord

[spark oracle]

oh lol my bad I thought we were talking about just in game

[left mauve]

ah good one

[spark oracle]

i havent done any save editing my bad

[left mauve]

npnp

[leaden turret]

pray you never need to move over half a kilometer of factory 8m north because you missed a bit and didn't notice until hours later 😛

[spark oracle]

😭

[shy mulch]

no, I'm not using any copper in this part of the factory just for logistics simplicity, I've seen enough copper to last me a lifetime after dealing with copper powder a couple weeks ago

[spark oracle]

atp its just a feature honey

[hard ivy]

Default rotor isn't much cheaper than steel rotor iirc? It's copper rotor that's cheap

[shy mulch]

or do what I did and build a large intricate train hub below my megafactory, then once both were done, connect up an array of 26 belts and realise they were misaligned by 5 degrees

[shy mulch]

I'm trusting what SFT suggests

[deep pier]

Best way to get resin/rubber?

[hard ivy]

The recycling loop https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=wIzJNY7MgRfW4HzfHneR

[spark oracle]

no blenders 🙁

[fluid bluff]

You only get resin from 1st-step Oil recipes (Fuel+Resin, or one of the HOR+Resin alts)

You can make Rubber in 1 step (HOR byproduct), make it from Resin byproduct, and/or build a Recycling Loop.

[hard ivy]

I guess with steel rod, default rotor is a little cheaper. 600 coal + 3200 iron for 160 motors/min, vs 4800 iron for steel rotor

[hard ivy]

Use diluted packaged fuel instead. Same efficiency

[spark oracle]

NOT again i refuse

plus im like 30 mins from phase 4 ill just wait :p

[deep pier]

What’s a recycling loop?

[spark oracle]

alternate recipes called recycled rubber and recycled plastic looping into each other hence "recycling"

i think

[deep pier]

Oh thanks

[spark oracle]

(i havent made one but i have the recipes)

[fluid bluff]

It's when you use the Recycled Plastic/Rubber alts in tandem. You pipe in fuel and a starter amount of Plastic & Rubber. Then the machines feed each other their output in a loop, all the fuel gets converted into those solid products, and the leftovers are your net product.

[wicked marlin]

how does satisfcatory have so much better graphics than helldivers 2 but its 1/5 the size (i am a helldivers 2 hater)

[crude cave]

Graphics settings

[stray herald]

Do I have to stop a train and restart the line if I change rails?

I made a shortcut in the railway syustem

[fluid bluff]

You can edit tracks freely and trains will automatically pick new routes if they're faster.

[tame marlin]

mk3 belt so much cheaper than mk2 what a life saver

[stray herald]

Perfect

[stray herald]

My favorite in terms of ease is Mk5

[bright echo]

Dear Santa, for this Christmas I wish rain and dust storms depending on biome in my Satisfactory save. Anything but endless sunshine.

[hard ivy]

Odd numbered belts are generally cheaper than the next and previous even numbered belts

[carmine aspen]

Polution mechanics

[rustic pier]

Just make sure it still isnt running (watched train derail as i am making a junction)

[shy mulch]

why not mk6?

[vital locust]

hello, quick question - I wanted to play again after about one year now and I can't start the game at all - always getting the error 'the game is already running'. As far as I found this is a known Issue from 1.0 but every solution I found so far did not work (except for a complete reinstall of the game) is there any solution known?

[dim dock]

if 'game is already running' then go to the task manager and end the process.

that's usually the workaround until you find why the game isn't quitting

[vital locust]

already tried killing the task 'factroygame' when the error was present, after closing the error and killing every steam task and restarting the pc

[deep pier]

for some reason fuel generaters just stopped working they were fine befor and I added/changed nothing but they keep shutting down instantly I even disconnected a power line that was costing like 400 energy and it's suppose to be producing more than the max con but they still insta shut down anyone know why?

[dim dock]

the game should at least start after that. if it tried to but crashed and didn't exit, then check logs for where it got stuck.

[dim dock]

did you check the pipe before the generator and see if it had fuel in it?

[deep pier]

it did have fuel in the pipe and inside the generater

[dim dock]

also note, fuel generator needs a power line to it. even if it's from a pole that connects to nothing else. or the genny won't turn on

rate is 20 cubic meters per min for standard fuel. so ensure you're supplying enough

and make sure the power button on the genny isn't turned off

that should cover all bases. i'm not sure if you can underclock to zero though

[stray herald]

Why is my train highlighted? https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1414680977896374462

[hard ivy]

hover over it with dismantle mode

[dim flint]

What happens when you have more than a stack (500) tickets in the sink?

[hard ivy]

nothing special. only 500 will print

[dim flint]

print twice then I assume

[hard ivy]

nothing happens the second time

[dim dock]

so no internal counter keeping track of overflow? that's a waste of tickets...

[dim flint]

So they're lost?! I'm confused.

[hard ivy]

no, nothing happens.

[wary summit]

<@&387163995947270144> hi i found a bug , where when you use the jetpack with turbofuel, look up and while rising open a machine interface, you shoot up in the air

[hard ivy]

no tickets are printed if the slot has 500 in it

[dim flint]

Sure, but if I take the 500, then it will print the next batch I assume?

[dreamy nova]

Please use https://questions.satisfactorygame.com to report bugs

[reef basin]

moderators aren't there to answer bug related things

and bugs should be posted on QA site

[hard ivy]

it'll print the next 500 (or however many it has left)

[dim flint]

OK, good thanks. Just checking.

I learned you could stash them back in to the machine and filled it up to save space in my depot.

Though, it'll be a while before I have 2,500.

[vital locust]

there are about 15 error in the file - from paths not found in the installation folder to initialization fails on steam and epic or failed loading NGXCore from the game folder
to me it looks like my files are somehow corrupted/missing even after multiple file verifications

[dim dock]

did you ensure your OS and drivers are up to date?

[spice patio]

Some of those errors are normal.
What is your actual problem?

Make #1038092680493801533 thread and attach that FactoryGame.log

[vital locust]

game is crashing after a few seconds with the error 'game already running'

[spark oracle]

finally finished phase 3

i can start the game now les goooo

[atomic notch]

Congrats on finishing part 3 of the tutorial

[spark oracle]

thats what im sayin fr

[vital locust]

updated last week - as far as I know there should be no new updates yet but i can check again

[vital locust]

I was hopeing for a known solution but I will do that after checking every maybe possible hardwareupdate

[spice patio]

Most probably game not being able to talk with your local Steam over SteamSockets computer local network connection.
But point was to confirm if it was that, and then look into the options to try to fix it.
This channel isn't the right place.

[spark oracle]

RAHHHH MK 5 BELTS RAHHHH

damnit now i need to make aluminum

[gritty zealot]

400 hours in, on phase 3, someday i too will finish it