satisfactory

[limpid cairn]

i dont recommend starting in dune desert if youre beginning in the game

[ivory condor]

But coal and water is pretty close, getting coal setup is really straight forward

[pastel carbon]

I think the grassy fields is an excellent first time starting location

[ivory condor]

And oil is literally right next to you in the spiral coast

[pastel carbon]

It's flat, the impure nodes make it easy to understand resource flow, the mobs are easy, and the less rich resources encourage exploration

[ivory condor]

Its funny I consider grass fields harder than dune desert

[pastel carbon]

Which is good for teaching the game

I find it really funny that the other 3 starts have way richer resources in their respective biomes than the grassy fields

[ivory condor]

I think if your just starting out grass fields at least might not be the best starting location

[pastel carbon]

At the very least, 1.0 made the grassy fields a much nicer start with quartz in the nearby forest and the blue crater being amazing

[pastel carbon]

I think it's a great starting location when you just start because it teaches you the game the best

Although all 4 starts are fine

[ivory condor]

I wish spiral coast could be picked as a starting location

[fluid sapphire]

grass fields is perfectly fine

[coral glacier]

It is indeed the home of the mighty Conveyor Cocoon

[pastel carbon]

I still remember climbing a mountain for quartz in update 3

[ivory condor]

Spiral coast all the way for me, thats a interesting biome

[pastel carbon]

That was fun

[reef basin]

you can always walk anywhere to start there

[coral glacier]

True!
Spawn location doesn't mean start here, it's just a spawn location.

[pastel carbon]

Start in the swamp

[silk ocean]

What's the best way when running rail up/down over supports to avoid the kinda ripple effect where it levels off over the support then goes down again, etc ?

[pastel carbon]

Definitely the best starting location

[coral glacier]

Maybe to get to somewhere faster that you couldn't get to in any other spawn

[coral glacier]

Shrek, is that you?

[ivory condor]

Now i realize how much this game lacks anyway to really set custom spawn location

[pastel carbon]

Honestly I feel like the titan forest is the scariest in terms of mobs with how many mobs spawn there at night

The mob spawning map even backs it up

[coral glacier]

I can imagine LGIO, if custom spawns were a thing, he'd have his spawn rrRIGHT beside a uranium node. 😆

Because whyy not

[ivory condor]

[coral glacier]

[ivory condor]

Or inside of a poison cloud, inside of the swamp

[coral glacier]

By uranium, in a swamp, with a knife.

It was MR PLUM THE WHOLE TIME!!

🤣

[smoky forge]

ill do it

[shy mulch]

I think a starting location in the swamp would be a funky challenge

[pastel carbon]

Pretty much every resource is available either in the swamp or right next to the swamp

It's a pretty good starting point in that regard, disregarding the mobs, and is also a reason why it's a great place to build nuclear

[frail sleet]

have to go full fortnite

[shy mulch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1411651352777588736 @silk ocean how did you get that screen? Looks like SCIM but I can't find that particular list on mine

[true mulch]

upload your save file and then it's in one of those tabs

uhh one sec

[shy mulch]

Yes but which tab. I've been looking all over for it haha

[true mulch]

power grid section

the plug icon, "power circuits"

[shy mulch]

Aha nice, thanks!

[dense hull]

FICSIT would like to take this day to remember the labor of pioneers, like you and those who came before you, and to remind you of how important your labor is to all of humanity. Get back to work.

[true mulch]

humbling to see how tiny my factory is after 5 hours of gameplay

[green fiber]

No, its only bernoulli.
Modified bernoulli but still bernoulli.

No differential equations. Just multiplicstion addition, subtraction, division

[polar trout]

what deciated server service should i buy from?

[olive condor]

Mmm... should I sink every intermediate product too, or the final product in chain only. 🤔

[true mulch]

you shouldn't have excess intermediates to begin with, but if you do, why not

[covert vault]

sink wherever you have potential for an excess

[ivory condor]

Wait how do you know this

[olive condor]

I no I shouldn't but somehow... 🤷

[green fiber]

Literally talked to someone who managed to peer inside

[hard ivy]

The equations are recursive so I'd say they're kinda differential

[green fiber]

Loops be loops.

[split trench]

What's the problem?

[ivory condor]

Interesting

[green fiber]

Dynamic pressure

And junctions acting funny when you turn them vertical

[ivory condor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1mwji7e/beware_of_the_vertical_junctions/ this is apparently a thing

[green fiber]

Yes thats eternalunion

The guy i talked to

[ivory condor]

junctions in this game do alot of undocumented features apparently

[green fiber]

Not as much

They do a lot but not that much apparently

the only issue is the way their exit's height is calculated

[ivory condor]

you can literally make this to bypass using pumps for vertical lift

[green fiber]

Yea due to bugged height calculation of the junction

That same bug makes VIPs work

[ivory condor]

i thought water towers were the only thing but you can use junctions for moving fluid vertical without pumps also, this is fun

[green fiber]

Water tower is a feature, junction tower is a bug

And dynamic pressure is a misconfigured feature tbh

Like yes its a feature, it works as designed..... but its wonky

[ivory condor]

I feel this is perfectly fine to move fluids vertical without pumps, exactly as it should be

[green fiber]

All Fluids are Gasses mod says hi

[ivory condor]

But you can do this without mods, so I don't need it

[covert vault]

the fact that gases don't require pumps annoys me somewhat as that's not how that works IRL

[green fiber]

Lets not bring more IRL nonsense to pipes

Im happy with the gas being less realistic tbh

[covert vault]

our building at work had to get a booster pump installed on it's gas supply because the street pressure wasn't high enough to push the gas up 30 storeys

it's more the inconsistency of it that annoys me.

[ivory condor]

people already have enough issues with pipes, lets not add more issues by making it more realistic

[green fiber]

Whatever issues pipe have, im for less realism, not more

removing dynamic pressure would be a major step towards that

So its only gravity and pumps

[crude canyon]

so dynamic pressure is the thing causing all the issues

[ivory condor]

Dynamic pressure can return to the shadow realm

[green fiber]

You saw our discussions

And what happens when you change fluid density and gravity in such a way that dynamic pressure is minimized

[boreal musk]

talk about vertical junction, does it only bugged on the one snapped onto pipe or it also affect the one snapped on walls?

[plucky plank]

is there a way to make an overflow system in pipes

[hard ivy]

It's the orientation that matters, not what it's placed on

[green fiber]

It doesnt matter where its snapped to, the rotation / orientation matters

[green fiber]

Gravity. Stuff thats lower down gets filled first

[boreal musk]

so nothing changes then, got it

[green fiber]

Only works for liquids though, not gasses

[ivory condor]

most of them yes, part of the work around is pipe loops, but this is because dynamic pressure isn't exactly a fun feature of pipes

[green fiber]

You can literally remove it using console commands if you enable cheat commands

[ivory condor]

and whats worse is even though the pipes says 600/min3 should be delivered, in practice I have seen this not be the case and I personally blame dynamic pressure....

[green fiber]

Newsflash: it is dynamic pressure

[ivory condor]

I have had to do pipe loops to even get close to 600min3 and even now question if thats stable....

[green fiber]

Ive tested it

Ive seen what pipes look like without it

[covert vault]

yup, all my nuclear plants are at 99% of rated power for this very reason

if you have them at 100% they constantly start/stop

[green fiber]

No dynamic pressure and suddenly liquids behave like little angels.Gas is a different story though.

[ivory condor]

Yes

[green fiber]

That has another issue related to it: loading a save file causes all fluids to lag behind a bit

[ivory condor]

I have even had issues with small straight pipes running from water extractors right into the nuclear plant and because of dynamic pressure, still have issues....

[covert vault]

my game runs on a dedicated server.

[ivory condor]

in other words 600m3 seems to be a illusion for what pipes can actually do

[green fiber]

Its possible if you minimize dynamic pressure

[covert vault]

yup so bring on mk3 pipes already 😛

[green fiber]

Which you can do with console commands or the PipeTuner mod

[sterile blade]

That's a different topic

[ivory condor]

hot take, i consider mk2 pipes broken

[green fiber]

Mk 3 Pipes are probably even worse cause they have even MORE dynamic pressure from the higher flow rate

[covert vault]

speaking of, just checked, 25'519 hours run time: #screenshots message

[sterile blade]

Pipe-load-balancing FTW

[keen jacinth]

Thats how long you've had the world???

[true mulch]

I don't have a QA site post but can make one if you wish.
My own opinion on the situation is this: the fluids system focuses on trying to have a realistic fluids simulation, rather than focusing on being intuitive or fun. There are many pitfalls new players experience because things that seemingly should work just don't.
When filling a row of buildings, it's necessary to wrap the pipe around to guarantee enough flow, even if consumption matches production. https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Pipeline_manifold#/media/File:Pipeline_Manifold_Schematics.png
Bottom feeding buildings tends to be unreliable due to the nature of bottom pipes filling first.

The expectation would be that if I'm providing 600 m3/min and consuming 600 m3/min, it "just works" without a complicated flow simulation having to take place. I shouldn't need to take precautions or be forced to stick to proven working setups if I want my factory to work at 100% (or...at all). I mean that's how it works with bels.

Forgive me for making a comparison to another game: Factorio faced a similar issue with their fluids system and chose to rework it to be simple and intuitive https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-416. While not an ideal solution (the game "just got easier"), it ended up making it - in my opinion - more fun.

I'm not calling for a full rework, but really any change to make pipes more intuitive (not necessarily easier) would be welcome. This should hopefully be possible without reducing the amount of intended puzzles the game gives to the player (maintaining head lift, being limited by pipe limits or fluid byproduct loopbacks).

[ivory condor]

console commands, whats this

[covert vault]

that's how long it's been running, there's a few breaks in there due to server downtime etc, but it's just about constant in that time.

[keen jacinth]

3 years

[ivory condor]

I wonder if I can make mk2 more stable if I can minimize dynamic pressure hmmmm

[green fiber]

enable cheats commands.

Pipe_TweakGravity 300
Pipe_TweakFluidDensity 0.133

Done. You just solved pipe problems

[covert vault]

yup

[leaden turret]

@split trench counter-point: insufficient feedback as to the internal goings-on when problems occur in pipes (i.e. "give more visual / audio feedback" vs. "simplify le pipe")

[covert vault]

now ask me what the server it's running on is 😛

[limpid cairn]

did mikael say we get t3 pipes?

[true mulch]

make flow indicators scream in pain when the pipe in question runs out of head lift or something

[covert vault]

do what happens in real life, make the pumps scream in pain

[leaden turret]

January 14th, 2025 Livestream
Q&A: Pipeline Mk.3, when?
https://youtu.be/4dpQBDV3VFc

we can't go further

[true mulch]

however no amount of "indication" will solve what I said about being forced into proven working setups (e.g. loopback pipe)

[covert vault]

large industrial pumps running out of headlift HOWL

[ivory condor]

really, ill definitely do some testing with this

[leaden turret]

I was thinking more "hammer particle spawns when water hammer goes ding"

[green fiber]

Alternatively, use the Pipetuner mod, it can do the same

[sterile blade]

Pumps do make a weird noise when over headlift limit, but it's not quite scream-level...

[true mulch]

doesn't make it clear where it stops in the pipe itself

@green fiber what do you think about what I posted btw

[plucky plank]

any recommendations on what to do as im just starting phase 4? (already got 144MW of rocket fuel and a small aluminum setup going)

[true mulch]

you mean 144 GW

[plucky plank]

yeah lol

[covert vault]

I'm well on my way to 1TW

[leaden turret]

144 kmw

[sterile blade]

That's what the individual pipe segments do (showing wether they're full or not)

[limpid cairn]

wdym we cant ;(

[leaden turret]

math and multiplayer

[limpid cairn]

time to make my own t3 pipes...

[true mulch]

yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean head lift stopped there, that could just be caused by the fluid going elsewhere

[green fiber]

Many things are not intuitive, but the system rn also has quite a few bugs that really trip you iver

Valves can "forget" head lift when you put em in series.

That whole junction rotation bit.

And also pipes apparently are "longer" when you build them bottom to top vs top to botton

[leaden turret]

pipe stat readout in the HUD based on what the reticule is looking at

[true mulch]

yeah, trains face a similar issue where they're not necessarily complicated but are just buggy to build, or don't communicate some stuff to the player

[leaden turret]

solve plumbing with french vampires

le stat

[true mulch]

signal loops into itself

railway is straight with no loops

riddle me this batman

[sterile blade]

You can check. The point is that you can see immediately where the issue is: as soon as you spot a non-full pipe followed by an empty one (or just an empty one).
Now we also have the fluid headlift indicator showing exactly where headlift reaches too

[leaden turret]

context?

[true mulch]

previous message #satisfactory message

[leaden turret]

will read after job interview

[ivory condor]

Oh see, thanks I'll look into that to👍

[true mulch]

best of luck!

[leaden turret]

ty

[ivory condor]

Pretty accurate. But yes I find myself having to agree with the Factorio approach far more than the CSS implementation, its a game and should be more fun, pipe seems to be more frustrating if anything else.

[shy mulch]

I love complicated things

[sterile blade]

Meh. While I agree that some simplification can be nice, going "full Factorio" seems way too extreme of a simplification. Different games have different needs (see "don't want to understand sloshing with a biter biting your pipes")

[true mulch]

that's what I said in the post 😭

the Factorio solution isn't ideal, but I still think it would be better than what we have
some middle ground would be best

[minor oak]

does anyone has experience with eye adaptation in this game? no matter what I do I can't get it to work or nothing that I do in the console makes any difference

[green fiber]

And yeah, the mk 2 issue and slosh is something that CAN be remedied / solved in the current system. It then all just works, even bottom feeding manifolds

[true mulch]

note that the Factorio solution doesn't consider some puzzles like pipe throughput limits or head lift, which we would still deal with even with instant flow @sterile blade

[sterile blade]

And I said that would be "way too extreme of a simplification" ^^
I'd rather keep the current issues with complexity than have no complexity and no issues

[shy mulch]

If the pipes are "fixed" in the way that was suggested, what effect would that have on existing VIP junctions? My entire world relies on loads of them and they currently work perfectly for me, would I have to change them all?

[green fiber]

Ive tried all saves with issues that people sent me and every save works fine with those values adjusted

[sterile blade]

Factorio pumps have limits too. I don't quite get what you're trying to point out here

[true mulch]

I mean they have limits but said limits are far less of a problem than in this game

you immedialy have to deal with limits in your very first fluid setup in this game

[silk ocean]

Yea it's SCIM - it's in the Power Grid section, the little button of a power plug on the far right

[true mulch]

in Factorio you can go a long way without much care

[green fiber]

Factorio specificall is now mostly a distance limit

[shy mulch]

Thanks, Ondar helped me find it 🙂 I posted a screenshot of my own, what do you htink

[green fiber]

You can go X tiles before the pipes are "overextended" and then you must add a pump

Otherwise, throughout is basically unbounded

[sterile blade]

I still don't see what you're trying to say
Interestingly, the limits before the fluid fix were similar in both games as you could have troubles setting up a coal powerplant in either game

[true mulch]

ik ik (we just got to aquillo yesterday)

[split trench]

Feedback is valid and I don't mind the comparison personally 😄 . I personally have not run into fluids issue in my personal save file but I instead have issues with reaching 100% throughput through other logistics.

[lavish lance]

Factorio by nature is a way more stressfull game.

[true mulch]

I'm pointing it out because I frown upon suggestions like "Factorio has construction drones plz add construction drones" so it'd make me a hypocrite

[green fiber]

The issue mostly appears when you try to do a split with mk 2 pipes and that split is not very symmetrical

Which like... i guess if CSS wants that its ok but this is neither obvious nor intuitive nor fun to work around

[hard ivy]

I don't love Factorio's implementation of pipes. the overextension limit is just arbitrary

[silk ocean]

Very nice, you got a lotta Rocket Fuel XD

[lavish lance]

Fluids in satsifactory are honestly just bullshit.

They should just work like belts but for fluids.

Once you know the worksrounds its nit much of an issue

[ivory condor]

If I was to pick between factorio or css implementation of pipes I would pick Factorio every single time, because I want system that are actually fun to use and well sorry this is isnt it

[silk ocean]

Don't tell KYO lol

[sterile blade]

Which is why I say that it's much easier to make pipes "too simple" in a relaxed game like SF than in one like Factorio:
only in one you literally run against time to get stuff done; the other encourages you to spend time understanding things however deeply you want from the get-go

[true mulch]

if you just started reading chat, TLDR it's not perfect but it's better what we have if the focus is on being intuitive/fun

[lavish lance]

There are fun problems to solve and jnfun ones.

Fluid to me falls into the extremely unfun category.

I never signed up to solve fluid simulations

[green fiber]

Im fine with pipes being a puzzle you have to understand. height and bidirectionality are neat things. But the intricacies of their implementation lead to some designs just not working outright even if the rules the game does tell you about were abided by

[lavish lance]

Stops me from doing thr things i actually want to do in the game.
I dont wan to do fluids, i want to play the actual game

[slow canyon]

I think pipes connecting and stuff is easy

[hard ivy]

oh, I've been (mostly) reading the chat. I'm just saying that factorio's implementation isn't really intuitive. like why does the pipe work fine until 320m, but at 321 it completely stops working

[shy mulch]

same

[lavish lance]

(I know how to work with pipesnow, but that was my perspective starting with the game.)

And i still think its a misplaced problem in this game

[sterile blade]

Do note that I haven't commented on the current system, but rather on wether replicating Factorio's would be a neat solution or not.
I think it's pretty obvious that the current one can use some tuning

[lavish lance]

Idk how it works for that game

[ivory condor]

Honestly if I could go back to using belts for fluids at this point, how it was in u2 I would at this point i would, because that is definitely more fun than this

[slow canyon]

which phase are you that you hate fluids that much

[green fiber]

If pipes were belts then it would all be onedirectional

I guess the bidirectionality is the main point of them

[lavish lance]

Fluids are to me the worst thing about satisfactory

[green fiber]

Bidirectionality + height limits.

Thats all fine. If it all were always that intuitive or clear

[lavish lance]

I completed the game 3 times.

I know how to deal with them, but i still hate them

[true mulch]

I think it is intuitive. You get a warning that it's too long and it tells you exactly what it wants to be fixed. Plain and simple

Here, if something doesn't flow, it just doesn't and get screwed

[green fiber]

Hence my recommendation on reducing dynamic pressure.

It makes the stuff that should work actually work.

Gas needs some more finetuning however as it is on the verge of breaking without it

[slow canyon]

3 times is crazy how come you hate them if you need to do them the whole time

[sterile blade]

Loving the rest more than the part they hate?

[split trench]

I may have missed your earlier comment here, wdym by dynamic pressure here?

[green fiber]

I remember how G2 talked about "fluid endlessly flowing between buffers" in one of the dev interviews.

The endless slosh

[ivory condor]

Sad but true. Don't know if you played in U2 but it was much better fluid was, because that was before pipes were implemented

[green fiber]

That is due to somethinf in the pipe code that makes flow rate flow faster depending on how fast it was actually flowing

[lavish lance]

Because its not fun to do.
You need to wait for all pipes to be full, always loop back, feed from the top and so on.

Thats the only way i found for pipes to not drop throughput randomly.

Its more work than it should be. And not only that its the the fun kind.

[green fiber]

Something in the pipe code accelerates flow rate depending on if flow rate is already fast.

It tends to lead to runaway accelerations

When you tweak the fluid "density" property this effect mostly goes away.

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68b22be2dbe2e46a549b0664

[lavish lance]

I dont want to be forced into workarounds.

Belts just work.
Why dont pupes

[leaden turret]

"factorio is 2d, take away the third dimension"

[slow canyon]

im not that far in the game maybe I will hate them later

[lavish lance]

Having to do workarounds means something isnt working.

If it was i wouldnt have to do them

[true mulch]

You should prolly link the QA site post

[green fiber]

oh right

Did it now

[ivory condor]

Indeed it is not😔 This is a game, this level of realism is far past the point of actual fun I'm not even sure what to say beyond that.....

[sterile blade]

Tbh, while I dislike the lack of clarity around what works well and what doesn't, I appreciate that the system allows one to find many different solutions and work well with them so long as they apply them properly (eg: I use only 1 of the three "always meed to do tips" you shared, the "wait for pipes to fill" one, and happened to find a way to avoid that one too xD)

[slow canyon]

maybe I will get to that point

[lavish lance]

Fuel power with a full mk2 pipe.

Sometimes it takes like 10 hours to break if you made a mistake
And then you habe to troubleshoot it for another hour

[sterile blade]

"Break"?

[lavish lance]

"Made a mistake"

More like assumed it would work and let you play the game

[slow canyon]

im just got oil after 30 hours playing

Maybe pipes are not that cool

[lavish lance]

Yeah as in the last generators running dry

Last generator doesnt get fuel.
First refineey cant produce fuel because output full.

Thats bust rage inducing

[sterile blade]

That's just a drop in efficiency...
I don't mean to sound pedantic, but it's on a whole other level than a system breaking (ie: needing manual intervention to restart)

[ivory condor]

I found thats because 600m3 is a illusion, thats a ideal rate, but whatever its doing, makes that rate basically impossible to achieve, so when I design 600m3 system with the expectation 600m3 will actually be true, it breaks because that ends up not being true

[slow canyon]

dont make me frustrated without even building my first oil pump

[lavish lance]

No, i calculated the numbers, i put in hours making that plan reality.

It better work

[ivory condor]

Which I can only dislike greatly, because the game doesn't tell you "btw that 600m3, yeah good luck actually getting that "

[lavish lance]

Having the last plant drop in efficienty is completely unacceptable

[slow canyon]

is there a way to make the hypertubes even faster except for building them steep

[hard ivy]

more entrances in series

[lavish lance]

it fails not because i made an actual mistake, it fails because the fluid system is needlessly complicated.

[sterile blade]

"It better work exactly as I want it to"
Some systems can really break if flow issues arise. They don't just drop in efficency, they eventually grind to a halt. They're very different things

[green fiber]

Which gets solved with that thing i talked about btw.

I tested 600/min fuel plants with all mk 2 pipes and it ran fine, even without loops and whatnot

[slow canyon]

can you explain further im a beginner

[lavish lance]

to me its broken

if the power line is not stable, its broken

[hard ivy]

the wiki will do it better than me
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Hypertube_cannon

[sterile blade]

Do be aware that the wording will cause confusion 🤷‍♂️

[silk ocean]

Hypercannons are pretty much my sole form of transport

[lavish lance]

it does not work as intended is broken to me

[slow canyon]

i cant do that ill die of fall damage I dont have a jetpack yet

[sterile blade]

Yes. I understood that the first time you explained that 😅

[lavish lance]

you can just put those in front of a regular hypertube and travel through that

[hard ivy]

you can connect it to a tube and then you'll just travel through it very quickly
also, there's the parachite

[slow canyon]

ohh like in a tube just build more entrances cause they give you a speed boost right?

[lavish lance]

yep

[hollow halo]

Question

[hard ivy]

better to do it at the start instead of in the middle, but yes

[hollow halo]

Can the game be played on the steam deck?

[lavish lance]

should be, but i cant speak on the performance in mid to lategame

[hollow halo]

Oh I’m boutta have so much fun being in bed :3

[lavish lance]

good chance it gets laggy lategame

[hollow halo]

If it can run cyberpunk pretty well, I’m sure it can run satisfactory well

[lavish lance]

yeah but lategame is uhh sometimes hard to run.
struggles even on high end desktop

[ivory condor]

Really interesting, because that was the exact cases I noticed some not small issues with, because I designed by fuel generators with 600m3 in mind, but then I noticed my power kept on dropping and thats because the fuel wasn't making it fast enough to them, despite the fact the blenders were all outputting at 600m3, but the pipes themselves just couldn't deliver because, well

[lavish lance]

if you build enough

[hollow halo]

So what you’re telling me is that it’s possible to hit a 2010 google slide show?

Golden…

[lavish lance]

unlikely

[ivory condor]

Might have been able to underclock them and just ignore the obvious problem of 600m3 not being able to actually deliver that rate....

[lavish lance]

im just sayin that ifyou build A LOT lategame it might not run too well

average playthrough is probably going to be fine

[green fiber]

Fill time is still something that will exist of course. But once thats done, it really does work smooth like it should (with the tweaked values)

[hollow halo]

Well- I’m gonna go make steel stuff now :3 (PC save)

[leaden turret]

is this one of those "scope of feedback is too local to regional/global problem" things ?

[split trench]

fluid sink would solve all the problem, right

[leaden turret]

sink should be solid, sink made of fluid go splish

[ivory condor]

depends what problem your trying to solve, would it fix the 600m3 throughput issue I cant escape, from, no

[spice patio]

Mainly about fluid behavior in complex manifolds.
To get the average closer to absolute max.

[ivory condor]

but according to above I can fix it with console commands or mods, so i think there is still things i can do hmmmm

well guess ill just pretend that should be part of the vanilla game and this is all fine

[green fiber]

I wouldnt be surprised if this turns into some "must have mod" for pipes

[ivory condor]

If you want 600m3 to you know actually work correctly....very likely yes

[green fiber]

Not just that

Bottom feeding manifolds too

[ivory condor]

because vanilla, those mk2 pipes sure are questionable

[green fiber]

Even at 600/min

Oh and buffers manage to sort of equalize their fluid levels

And pipes still slosh around a bit, but not that much anymore

[hexed phoenix]

Fluid input to base toilet, when ?

[spice patio]

No flushing until you connect water pipe?

[lavish lance]

the toilet must be a fluid sink.
where does the water go?

[true mulch]

Pro: you get fluid sink
Con: there's just one. In the HUB

Directly attach the pipe to the toilet

Run it through the living chambers

[hexed phoenix]

Sounds like a fair trade off to me

[ivory condor]

oh you made this mod I see

[green fiber]

Con: only flushes when you flush, and only 1m3 at a time

[green fiber]

Co-authored. Digby made the code - i annoyed him and told him the values

[unkempt blade]

there already is a fluid sink, you just turn it into solids and flush those

[ivory condor]

I see

[green fiber]

All that mod does is tweak variables you could otherwise tweak with console commands (mostly) - the rest are from the header files

[unkempt blade]

what's the best variable I can tweak with best being entirely subjective?

[green fiber]

Density + Gravity.

3rd place: the distance the pump head lift hologram ring travels before giving up

Means you can have a pump on the beginning of a 2km long pipeline and still see that ring

[uncut trail]

guys im tryna automate cooling systems and im setting up pipes for nitrogen but i need 600nitrogen in a min but mk2 pipes for whatever the fucking reason only have 302 flowrate

is there smth i can do or will it be fixed after hooking up to blenders

[green fiber]

You have a mk 1 limiting your flow

[hard ivy]

you have a mk1 somewhere

gasses have no issues with mk2 pipes afaik

[green fiber]

Minimally, gas still has dynamic pressure

[uncut trail]

i js chekced i dont

[green fiber]

You do. Somewhere

[uncut trail]

i have 3 extractors each extracting 200

[hard ivy]

you do

[uncut trail]

bro i have very short pipeline

[green fiber]

Then maybe its wedged underneath a junction

[ripe basin]

Check again

[unkempt blade]

are you actually consuming 600 nitro atm?

[green fiber]

Whatever it is, you DO have a mk 1 somewhere in all likelyhood

[warm phoenix]

#screenshots message
am i making things too compact?

[uncut trail]

no i havent hooked it up to blenders yet

i js noticed that and got concerned

[unkempt blade]

might the pipes just be full/partially full?

[uncut trail]

idk im gonna hook it up to blender and then check

[unkempt blade]

Probably not for a smaller build like that but my general advice for newer players is to leave yourself more space than you think you'll need. It makes troublehsooting easier and sometimes you forget stuff and need space for it

[uncut trail]

like whenever i build new pipe to drag it near my base flowrate is capped at 302

[unkempt blade]

for example, some of those mergers/splitter crunched right up against the machine would be annoying to troubleshoot if you missed a belt somewhere or something

[ivory condor]

Doing some testing and god I hate mk2 pipes. I have 6 blenders here, outputting a total of 600m3 and guess whats happening on vanilla here, the pipe out of the system is running out of fluid in the pipe and the last machine is actually going idle because these mk2 pipes are cursed and won't output the fluid fast enough

Dear god send help.....

[neon hollow]

Can someone help me I found a pc on Facebook marketplace and I wanna make sure it’s a good enough pc before I get it

[green fiber]

Classic. Now try with the mod lol

Mod Save Settings > Preset set to Hydrostatic > apply

[mortal ginkgo]

Not really, just make sure to check input and outputs got belts properly etc

[mortal ginkgo]

obvious skill issue btw

[unkempt blade]

I'm still super curious about some people seemingly having lots of issues with mk2 pipes while I'm not sure I've noticed any that weren't caused by non-pipe problems 😆

[polar trout]

what server host site should i go with?

[spice patio]

People seeing "up to 600m^3/min" and designing so that they need that as average too.
When buildings input and output in bursts.

[mortal ginkgo]

You are wrong though. Even if you are right. Some folks declared that it is either "messy setup", "skill issue" or "ur mom" when it comes to pipes.

This game's pipe system is insanely good. Yes.

[ivory condor]

I am and this is bullshit, so I had I used the hydrostatic preset and now the last machine isn't idling anymore, which it should have anyways because this is a 600m3 system on a 600m3 mk2 pipe.....

[unkempt blade]

what part of what I said is "wrong" lol

[ivory condor]

Seriously why didn't css fix any of this, mk2 pipes are clearly broken....

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats the deeepest lore. You weren't

[green fiber]

Its technically not a bug, its just misconfigured - if they accept dynamic pressure as a thing that is

[hexed phoenix]

I can give you a sort of advice to which one NOT to pick ..

PingPlayers doesn't really support much of Satisfactory server hosting, yes it runs your server - but you have no access to logs via their Admin Panel, you can barely make anything but Start, Stop, Reboot from the Admin Panel - although they say otherwise on the website..

So I can't recommend them :)

[ivory condor]

because 6 blenders outputting 600m3, none of the machines should be going idle on mk2 pipes, there is so much just so very wrong here

[spice patio]

Well, basically acting as surface level flow, instead of pressurized pipe flow.

[unkempt blade]

even assuming I need all 600 there's basically nothing a pipe loop or inputting from both sides hasn't solved for me

[spice patio]

Which ups the pipe capacity to 1200m^3/min.

[ivory condor]

like hell those mk2 pipes actually move 600m3, because I have machines going idle and btw all of them only output 600m3....

[spice patio]

While retaining need for 600m^3/min as average.

[unkempt blade]

ehh mostly it combats sloshing on a manifold-y pipe setup

[ivory condor]

this shit my dear sir is broken every single day of the week at this point, idk whats wrong but this is all clearly broken....

[green fiber]

So like is it working now or not i cannot tell

[mortal ginkgo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1n05m48/visualization_of_fluids_from_games_perspective/

This was awesome btw. And shows everything that is wrong with fluids.

[ivory condor]

your mod actually is and best of all the blenders aren't sitting idle for no logic reason

[green fiber]

Hooray

[ivory condor]

If anything only with your mod am I getting any kind of what should be actual normal behavior for the mk2 pipes, which tells me, yeah whatever code they are using, the vanilla isn't working very well....

[green fiber]

Its just some variables that wete tuned

[neon hollow]

What mod is it so I can download it😭

[ivory condor]

So to get what should be normal. I have to use mods to fix whatever is going wrong here

[clear wadi]

how many coal and sulfur do i need to process 64kfuel to turbo fuel?

[green fiber]

The rest is still vanilla code

[mortal ginkgo]

what you are having issue is in 1:24 time at https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1n05m48/visualization_of_fluids_from_games_perspective/

Sudden burst succ that causing internal floshing that makes some fluid go backwards instead, causing issues

[green fiber]

PipeTuner with Hydrostatic preset

[ivory condor]

yeah, this is apparently a most have mod at it turns out...otherwise mk2 pipes don't behave as you would expect

[unkempt blade]

I think the actual "pipe issue" is that he doesn't understand how they work and wants them to just be a conveyor analog for liquids

[mortal ginkgo]

yes but can you blame him? I can't.

[unkempt blade]

refusing to learn game systems is a choice for sure 🙂

[ivory condor]

That fine I'll just keep this mod enabled and pretend the game has no issues, well at the end of the day as long as the mod works and my mk2 pipes aren't doing things I don't understand, this is all fine now I think

[green fiber]

The game teaches you a lot, but not this.

[mortal ginkgo]

Game isn't telling at all brotherman.

[hard ivy]

Keep in mind that if you do, everything pipe related will drop to like 80% output, potentially for several hours, until it fixes itself

[green fiber]

Until everything fills back up again

[unkempt blade]

yeah but he's claiming it's only doing it for mk2 pipes for him, not that it's a liquids issue in general

[mortal ginkgo]

mk2 pipes are generally the majority of issues coming from

[green fiber]

Its more common for mk 2, i nailed that specific issue down

You can try mk 1 vs mk 2 and mk 1 has it sometimes but mk 2 much more often

And thats because mk 2 has 4 times higher pressure from high flow rates compared to mk 1

And that pressure is disruptive

[mortal ginkgo]

" I had that for my ultra simple Coal Gen setup of 8 gens to 3 water pumps simply did NOT work despite filling them prior.

The problem was fixed when I actually added pumps to prevent the backside long pipes causing sloshing on the far end coal gen connections.

NOWHERE in game tells me why it happens and the solution. I only used pumps because I thought it was a headlift issue (it wasn't).
And right now I am using valves and they work PERFECTLY fine for what I need whereas 95% of players think valves are borked and wack.
Make it make sense and let me know brotherman."

[green fiber]

It empties out pipes when they shouldn't and it interrupts flow in junctioms by flowing back from sidelines into the main line

[green fiber]

I think i remember that problematic coal power plant....
do you still have that save?

Can you DM it to me?

I wanna see if that magically gets fixed too

[unkempt blade]

No doubt, that's happened to me too. My issue is more with people coming here, asking for help, getting suggestions for ways to build differently and avoid the issue and continuing to blame the liquids system instead of taking any of the advice

like in your example the loop fixes it, or water extractors on both ends fixes it

[mortal ginkgo]

People shouldn't need advice from others. If I need to read something from wiki and reddit, that's design fault.

[unkempt blade]

I guess maybe I'm just bringing my QA brain to the table for stuff like this and I actually enjoy "solving" how stuff works

[ivory condor]

Maybe not even with your tuner mk2 pipes still aren't running at 600m3 and after more testing the last blender is going back to idle again, so this was a false positive

Ok so my guess hasn't actually been fixed with the tuner unfortunately

[unkempt blade]

it would be interesting to see some summarized amount of that reddit post as an ingame tutorial

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont think I have that save anymore but it is very easy to produce in Rocky Desert.

Make Coal Gens slightly above Water-level and make Water Extractors send water via longest pipes via 2 pipes that goes into a pipe manifold from middle that is fed from below. (like logistics floor for belts).

The very end Coal Gens at left and right should not get enough water.

[unkempt blade]

and see if people handled it better

[ivory condor]

Am I just having such severe "skill issues" not even mods can help me

[bright helm]

Is rocket fuel the best fuel for jetpack?

[hard ivy]

Literally not enough time has passed since this has been discussed for the manifolds to figure themselves out

Give it 3 hours

[dense violet]

there's any number of games where you need to access details on mechanics from outside sources. It's perfectly reasonable

[mortal ginkgo]

it isn't.

[hexed phoenix]

Personally - Liquid Biofuel is fairly decent pick as a cheap alternative imho

[hard ivy]

There's no "the" best fuel for the jetpack. There's like 3, depending on what you care about exactly

[dense violet]

damn I guess all game wikis are just examples of total failures of games >.>

[mortal ginkgo]

What's next you gonna defend? Bethasda games are fine because mods can fix them?

Am I dreaming? Is this a nightmare? Are people getting paid to make such silly comments?

[spice patio]

And for me, there wasn't anything weird with fluids.
Outside VIP, which comes as side effect of the exact coding.

[covert vault]

if you do creature remains > biofuel you can get a STUPID amount of biofuel pretty quickly

especially if you sommersloop it

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I think it depends how-accessible games need to be for their audience. I have plenty of games where like 80% of it is intuitive and the rest I don't figure out or notice until someone (friend, reddit, discord, etc) points it out

[spice patio]

Base level understanding of IRL piping or fluids is enough for the ingame fluids.
But people keep designing to the absolute max rating for some insane reason.

[mortal ginkgo]

if wikis are mandatory, yes. Game is not giving enough information. Therefore needing outside source to have information filled.

What if someone plays Satisfactory without internet connection?

Is that a skill issue too then?

Like brotherman. Stop being a brotherman for a second.

[spice patio]

With IRL fluids, you NEVER try to design to absolute max.

[dense violet]

having external info being compared to bethesda games is a shit argument. You either know this and are being deceptive, or don't and your opinion becomes worthless

[spice patio]

Well, IRL you never try to design to absolute max, in anything.

[ivory condor]

idk my pipe is now at 578m3 flow rate, the blenders are all outputting at 600m3 btw

really don't ask me what these pipes are doing, it should be at 600m3 flow rate if it was actually working right or am I going insane here

[copper pine]

how much nuclear waste does 10 power plants at 250% make?

[shy mulch]

The game can absolutely be completed without any guides or wiki or discord or reddit or youtube.
Following guides and tutorials will help you make things more efficent, for sure, but 100% is not absolutely required

[ivory condor]

hmmm nope its even worse flow rate is now down to 563m3 flow rate

[mortal ginkgo]

Game Info Needed from Reddit = Game is not telling enough info
Bethaesda Games need fixes via mods = Game has issues that dev is not fixing.

Again, same thing.

Still, defending "lack of game information" being justified by "check wiki or ask around wiki bro" is amusing to say the least.

[dense violet]

same as 25.
calculate waste by uranium rod burned pm, as that stays the same

[ivory condor]

I can see my pipe also isn't full all of the way for some reason, hmm I wonder

[dense violet]

and the most interesting games have tons of info that really need wiki or other break downs that you just can't fit in game.

[hard ivy]

I sincerely doubt they do since they have their own supply that got disrupted by the mod.

Also, probably restart the game to make sure the values have been applied.

McGalleon said it needs to be applied twice I think?

[mortal ginkgo]

Majority of reddit posts being about pipe problems say otherwise.
Majority of playerbase is hardly trying to use pipes to 100% and still having problems.

[spice patio]

Only "information" that is needed is that with pipes and bidirectional flow, you shouldn't try to design to the absolute max?
Which should be self-evident in my eyes.

[dense violet]

by their argument Redstone in Minecraft is a failure of gaming

[hexed phoenix]

Not sure what you're getting at imho..

Many many many sandbox type games stores valuable information via Wikipedia.

Something thats community driven, and shares as a community.. The developers gives you the tools, community is exploring way to "exploit" the tools for best efficiency..

That said, you can play Satisfactory without any information outside the game.. It may not be the most optimal approach.. But as its a sandbox, there is no Correct or Incorrect solution to playing the game

[copper pine]

wait cuse like 10 use 10 uranium rods so what now

[ivory condor]

idk it seemed like it working but now Im not sure....

[copper pine]

so like 100 uranium waste per min?

[shy mulch]

Still feels like a skill issue to me

[mortal ginkgo]

Does not justify the lack of information and tutorials about fluid systems.

[dense violet]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Uranium_Fuel_Rod

[green fiber]

you can DM me the save in question if you want

[spice patio]

And then only other issue is people who miss that headlift exists.

[mortal ginkgo]

You feel wrong.

[shy mulch]

My feelings are my own

[copper pine]

alr thx

[dense violet]

that link shows that 0.2 rods burned pm gives 10 waste pm.
so 1 rod pm is 50 pm 🙂 figure out the fuel you're burning and you're golden

[unkempt blade]

As far as audience, factory games attract a lot of certain types of gamers who are going to fixate on that 97% efficiency and not just let it run and go have fun but I'd agree it's totally not necessary to finish the game and enjoy yourself

[copper pine]

a so 500 got it

[mortal ginkgo]

While I agree, #satisfactory message

This was still my first issue ever.

[dense violet]

but this info comes from the wiki, so as we all know, this means nuclear power makes Satisfactory a failed game 😛

[copper pine]

thank you so much

[mortal ginkgo]

Didn't say they weren't. It is ok to have wrong feelings.

[shy mulch]

I agree. What I find strange is that mine work 100%. So it seems to me that it's possible to do. It does work, just not the way some people want it to work

[shy mulch]

Your feelings are wrong, in my opinion

[ivory condor]

Sure if you want to look at it. I was just testing this with my rocket fuel plant, 6 blenders here that should keep a output of 600m3 ontop a pipe, its all basically a manifold pipe setup, you know the ones everyone has problems with

[mortal ginkgo]

No, you are just wrong.

[unkempt blade]

that's almost exactly what I was saying earlier. Once you know a trick or two it works without any problems in my experience 😆

[green fiber]

oh rocket fuel?

So gas it is then

Is the gas the issue or the liquid inputs

[shy mulch]

Exactly, the way I've made mine work isn't even complicated

[mortal ginkgo]

"Majority of players having issue in a certain topic = Skill Issue" is just.. being wrong.

[hard ivy]

Try to make a 600/min HOR pipe, then

[shy mulch]

"Skilled players being able to do a thing 100%, majority of players being able to do it 97%"

[mortal ginkgo]

There is no day ever in reddit that isn't flooded with "pipe issues and questions".

[hexed phoenix]

Well if we just look at the fluid.. What information is missing in game?

The basic information is shown in game for fluids.. As in Heap lift ect.

[unkempt blade]

I think there's kind of two tracks there. It is a skill issue because it's avoidable when you learn how. It also isn't intuitive for many players and probably needs at least more explanation/feedback about what's happening ingame

[spice patio]

When there are just two common issues that come along again and again.
Missing headlift.
And trying to design to max pipe flow.

[green fiber]

Pipes have a high skill floor and ceiling, that much is certain

[shy mulch]

That's hardly a benchmark. There is no day in reddit that doesn't have someone posted a politician's face photoshopped onto a war criminal. Doesn't make it relevant or useful

[green fiber]

But some issues require some.... not even ridiculous high skill, just knowledge

[spice patio]

People just keep thinking pipes and fluids are just different graphics for conveyers.

[green fiber]

Its not skill issue per se, its a knowledge issue

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree with it.

But brother, hear me out:

Game allows you to be 100% efficient with belts, even with mk6 belts.
But it is now "skill issue" to not have any system explanations and want to have mk2 pipes to work 100% too?

God forbid someone asks for mk3 pipes. Some folk here just go "skill issue" rage mode.

[shy mulch]

mk3 pipes are completely different and unrelated conversation

[green fiber]

Eh... mk 6 belt also has issues sometimes. Framerate matters ive heard

Before mk 6, mk 5 belts were the issue

[naive pendant]

Ah man, pipe topic again.

[green fiber]

And those struggled due to some bugs

[boreal musk]

isnt it the same case as mk5 back then?

[mortal ginkgo]

It is a benchmark when EVERYDAY is an indicator.

[green fiber]

I think so but im not sire

[spice patio]

And my point previously was that people miss that fluids are fluids, and pipes are not conveyers.
Which IMHO is self-evident.

[shy mulch]

You seem to be upset that you are unable to do something that some other people can do perfectly fine. Don't worry, have you tried lego?

[mortal ginkgo]

Wow, personal insults definitely make you correct. Sorry.

Also, I am perfectly fine with mk2 pipes and I even use valves and buffer.

You had a nice try but please.

Also Legos can be extremely complicated too.

This tells alot about your personality.

[green fiber]

Could you all not be so obtuse about a black box system being hard to use in certain edge cases?

[hard ivy]

Imo, all pipe issues are skill issues. It's just the skill required to have zero issues is 1000+h of experience playing the game

[clear wadi]

can ask how to use the blueprint auto connect mode

[dense violet]

weren't all belts an issue back in teh b2b days?

[hexed phoenix]

We need to get back to the case where Oil Extractors just has Oil Barrels as outputs onto Conveyors 🙈

[green fiber]

Thats the main problem. Being required to use pipes for hundreds of hours to find out all intricacies on your own to use them correctly

[naive pendant]

@mortal ginkgo I am of the camp that the "600 fluid/minute pipe feature" is definitely in the bugged or just bad game design category. But it's very well established that the devs aren't going to change it for legitimate game dev reasons. Because of that players kinda have to just accept reality in the game. That leads to people here disliking people calling out the bad design. Idk the topic has a lot going on with it.

[mortal ginkgo]

Someone finally gets it.

[shy mulch]

I make one disparaging comment borne out of frustration at your insistence of my opinion being objectively wrong, which by the way I was personally offended at, but didn't bother to call you out on it, and you from this determine that you know all about my personality. Does your comment mean I'm now free to make assumptions about your personality, which I do have strong feelings about

[unkempt blade]

Inspired by this convo, here's my ranked list for moving liquids in order of bestness:

• packaged liquids in factory carts
• packaged liquids in trains
• mk2 pipes
• liquids in trains
• mk1 pipes
• package liquids in tractors
• packaged liquids in drones
• packaged liquid in trucks
• all other options

[green fiber]

And yeah, by all means, the mk 2 issue is not a bug - its a design issue.

[mortal ginkgo]

If you are getting frustrated about a game discussion, then don't. Personal insults are still a justification.

[dense violet]

should jsut be able to set the mode and the hologram should change to show the connections ?

[ivory condor]

yes rocket fuel, the gas is the issue for some reason, retested it, even after letting the pipe full its now become more empty again and the flow rate is less than 600m3

honestly im not sure what the problem is, maybe i need to tune harder to try to fix this

[green fiber]

Other things about pipes are bugged though. Like valves forgetting head lift if you go with 2 valves in series

[shy mulch]

Then don't tell me my opinion is wrong

[green fiber]

Gas is not as easy to fix

[ivory condor]

yeah unfortunately, still having problems here

[naive pendant]

To be clear on the term "bug". A "bug" in a game is a feature until the point the devs patch the game to change the feature. It's a very fluid set of terms.

[hexed phoenix]

I'm perfectly fine with how Fluid works in the game..

But I also did read the Wiki to give me pointers - so I didn't flood my self with 500 Pumps to get my Coal Powerplant working as an example..

[green fiber]

It has the same trouble, but for gas i cant just crank up the gravity bevause....gas has none

[spice patio]

As expected?
600m^3/min as absolute max rating.
Bidirectionality of transport.
Bursty inputs and outputs.

Result is that getting the average flow to stay at the absolute max flow is HARD.
And that you NEVER design to absolute max IRL etc.
Even less with fluids/pipes.

[ivory condor]

hmmm maybe i can fix it by changing some values

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah, I am sure we will not have any pipe update or whatever and I am fine with it.

But people saying:

• Skill issue bro
• Check wikis bro
• Don't go 100% efficiency bro
• Weird setup bro
• Go play with legos bro
• Bro
• This game is awesome and do not criticize it despite the fact that you got hundreds of ours and you like the game bro

Are just.. Paid actors I think. They really need to get paid to defend a system designed wrong and that they would lose NOTHING if it was fixed to a degree.

[green fiber]

Maybe viscosity but thats hardly a fix

Gas would need a higher base static pressure

[naive pendant]

@mortal ginkgo You have a valid set of points. It is the internet and people tend to have strong thoughts. All good.

[unkempt blade]

to be fair, playing with legos is always a good idea even if the person saying it is trying to be patronizing

[mortal ginkgo]

Exactly. I mean, what we lack is ADA romance options and I don't call people skill issue for not asking for it.

[shy mulch]

You get offended and upset when someone says something negative to you, so clean your tongue and stop saying anything negative about others. I will report any further comments that claim anyone is a "paid actor"

[hard ivy]

Except you can get 600/min reliably in some situations, and in all situations with minor tweaks.

Besides, this is a game. If it says "600/min max", then the players will expect that they'll be able to get that. Because it's a reasonable expectation

[mortal ginkgo]

It wasn't a negative thing. It was an insult. I am not upset, I just think you aren't worthy of discussion at that point.

[ivory condor]

and the blenders are still going idle at 600m3 pipe, so that means 600m3 actually isnt making it through the pipes

[dense violet]

once you know how to keep pipes simple, 600 flows aren't awful targets mind you. You just can't go around laying hte pipes all willy nilly

[spice patio]

Not reasonable in my eyes, and I listed why not.

[mortal ginkgo]

You don't need to "announce your report", Paid Actor is a joke. If you can't get that, you really shouldn't discuss this at all lols. Chill out bro.

[ivory condor]

so that why the pipes are starting to empty out, these mk2 just can't move 600m3 through them, even with these mod tuned values

this is all very cursed....

[shy mulch]

I have a right to an opinion which is perfectly valid and you are telling me straight up that I am not allowed an opinion, all your "paid actor" chat is not any better than someone saying "skill issue" so don't be hypocritcal

[spice patio]

That it works with right building is because the actual max cap is AFAIK actually 603m^3/min at least in short duration bursts.

[mortal ginkgo]

I never said you can't have an opinion. I just said you are wrong. Your assumptions are clearly a terrible judgement on your end. Now please.

[leaden turret]

<@&387163995947270144> people bein babies in chat

[split trench]

@void gorge maybe @mortal ginkgo and @shy mulch should just chill out,

[green fiber]

It has a chance to work bezzer if you use the classic method of "merge 3 mk 1 pipes into a mk 2"

[unkempt blade]

this is all quite the holy war for a problem that could be solved somehow by just using more factory carts

[hexed phoenix]

If its any consultation or help..

99% of my fluid issue is fixed by pumping the liquid source to a higher point than where they're consumed.. And let gravity do the rest of the work..

[ivory condor]

yeah thats what I was doing before, aka the looped piped

[split trench]

I am open for all the criticism about the game and specific game mechanics and have been reading every single comment, I may agree with some and disagree with others but no personal comments here.

[void gorge]

Again?

Sheesh

[ivory condor]

and I guess I still have to, as mk2 pipes cant deliver 600m3 through them, for whatever reason

[mortal ginkgo]

Fine I stop. Even I was the one that got insulted and told to play with Legos...

I mean Legos are cool...

[naive pendant]

The holy pipe wars continue

[leaden turret]

[ban hammer dot gif]

[green fiber]

Not really a loop, just a straight sinple merge

[void gorge]

Nah it's been going around plenty

And not only today

I also have eyeballs

Let's chill out

[unkempt blade]

I like pipes but I do want to be able to play satisfactory from inside the hub the way they did in the console release trailer. Truly a missed opportunity

[spice patio]

You just need to build IRL HUB?

[ivory condor]

what I mean is im connecting the end of the blender manifold to the other side of the blender manifold, that in the past seemed to be the only way to fix the throughput issue with mk2 pipes, aka loop but your right its a merge to

[void gorge]

FWIW we're also taking recent uhh, "buzz", about certain features into consideration for upcoming videos (mainly pipes) but we'll see when that slots in

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> work with @open bone and IKEA to get some flatpack HUB furniture

[boreal musk]

too bad 20 actual iron ores wont cut it irl

[spice patio]

Just need to mod actually working internals into the Heroic Replicas Build Gun?

[mortal ginkgo]

You can technically do that if you mod the "Game Render" to Texture and keep character in HuB while having another Fake Player Character being operated via player control.

This could cause insane issues especially in multiplayer and almost do 2x fps issues but in the end, it is doable.

[hard ivy]

I mean pipes could probably be fixed by an intern in an afternoon

[obsidian zodiac]

satisfactory in satisfactory would be perfect when paired with VR (using the tutorial i made)

[hard ivy]

It'd take longer to test whether the fix actually worked in all cases

[ivory condor]

fix the mk2 throughput issues, idk, im not sure whats wrong with them

but i can definitely see mk2 cant move 600m3 through them, so thats a illusion....

[mortal ginkgo]

ok but Mr Jason, can I ask 2 questions that are very important?

• Where are Half Foundation Ramps?
• Where are ADA Romance options?

Thank you.

• Leon

[ivory condor]

the blenders going idle here, pipes going more empty, flow rate dropping below 600m3, the results speak for themselves....

[hard ivy]

Are you sure you used the mod correctly?

Cause like all of my 600/min pipes work after installing it

[dusty dragon]

#screenshots message @silk ocean turbo bass boombox

[hexed phoenix]

Satisfactory VR when... Hypertube Cannon incoming!!!! :D

[spice patio]

Half-wide walls.

[mortal ginkgo]

PR disaster

[spice patio]

And couple of missing roof corner shapes.

[obsidian zodiac]

• i dunno
• i keep sending hannah my AO3 fan fic with ADA but she stopped responding. ill get back to u

[silk ocean]

Oh really? xD

[mortal ginkgo]

to be ultra fair, we got large beams for that

[mortal ginkgo]

inverted ramp corner for roof is simply.. forgotten because foundations have that so lol

[dusty dragon]

yep really works blast them away for 1 damage they live easily

[silk ocean]

wow thanks never knew that

[mortal ginkgo]

can you put one blender for each pipe network and have them underclocked so you dont lose sanity?

[spice patio]

Making conveyer and pipe pole tilts actually match the ramp tilts?

And stackable ones with tilt to the actual connection point too, for same reason?

[ivory condor]

yeah I can see its working as intended, just more issues going on with mk2 pipes

the only way that ever worked even in the past was looping the pipes, this mod unfortunately doesn't look like its going to change that, as the mk2 pipes still have throughput issues

[atomic notch]

Womp womp

[ivory condor]

too late my sanity is already gone

[naive pendant]

Pipe throughput topic back on the menu

[mortal ginkgo]

Well at least nobody suggesting Carts to be a good way to transport stuff...

[atomic notch]

You gotta put a lil more fluid in pipes to fully prussurize em. My dad told me that when i was little.

[unkempt blade]

with portals now being canon maybe we just need portal pipes that are slosh-less

[ivory condor]

btw I have seen looking at these issues for over a year, so i lost my sanity some time ago as you can imagine

[unkempt blade]

I did that earlier, it's way better than mk2 pipes bugs or not 😄

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now I really want to @ mods now.

[unkempt blade]

you know what would be adorable though? liquid trailers for factory carts

[split trench]

I've been looking at it over years now and I would like to see a save file that reliably shows the issue 😄

[hard ivy]

Ask McGalleon, they collected multiple problematic saves from people

[ivory condor]

You sure you want this save?

[astral gyro]

Can equipment not take from the depot when you first unlock it?

[ivory condor]

Its pretty easy for me to reproduce here, with these blenders going idle. I had to loop these pipes to even get some decent throughput on these pipes

[split trench]

why not (no if you have used mods)

[hard ivy]

Equipment can't take from depot

[ivory condor]

hmmm qol mods but no content, but I can disable the mods, it doesn't impact the results, this is all vanilla logic, most just bp mods I used in this case

But its fine if you dont want the save, ill just work around whatever is going on here, as I did in the past

[astral gyro]

huh I thought it could, I havent used depots in builds before and I just unlocked the jetpack in this save lol

[ivory condor]

seems to be most of the same issues other people have experienced, probably why my standard looping pipes seems to be the only thing that works at all

[split trench]

Because for 1.0 we did collect a bunch of save file and did find issues with pipe connections (like building them in specific ways would cause flow rate to be blocked) but regards to flow rate , all the saves we got we ran the simulation for hours and they eventually did get fixed.

[mortal ginkgo]

you can craft from the depot, but equipment dont work like that

[astral gyro]

yeah so I just have to make sure that I take some out of the depot everyonce and a while when I wanna fly lol

[ivory condor]

hmmmm no issues with pipe connections, for me its a simple throughput issue with mk2 pipes, from what I can tell everything is connected fine, its just the mk2 pipes really suck with throughput, thought the tuner mod might help but basically same result, aka these blenders are going idle, even on mk2 pipes, they are only outputting 600m3 but i guess its too much for a mk2 pipe to handle😔

[mortal ginkgo]

#satisfactory message

You might want to talk with this guy. He got literrally 2 extractors linked to a reactor that asks for 600m2 water but while some setups work fine, some reactors are simply starved out of water

[ivory condor]

well that was true in the past when I first setup this rocket fuel plant, why i had to loop the pipes together, as that was the only thing that seemed to work

but ive always had problems with mk2 pipes, even before 1.0 also

alot of previous manifold setups with mk2 pipes also didn't exactly work very well, all had similar issues

[mortal ginkgo]

I will just do a very ultra silly guess that, assuming devs using multithreading for complex fluid dynamics, not all CPUs are used as they should be.

Same setup having no issue with one guy while the other guy just can never fix them etc

[split trench]

Please share me your save file 😄

[ivory condor]

idk I have a 32 thread system, doesnt seem to help.....

[steady glade]

do you snap pipes to junctions or junctions to pipes?

[mortal ginkgo]

ironically, the more threads the more trouble it might be. dont wanna give too much detail but big thread number doesn't mean good performanc

[ivory condor]

well if 6 blenders outputting 100m3 is to much for a mk2 pipe to handle, im probably beyond help

[mortal ginkgo]

again, this is a problem of machines succing in big bursts but not in sync, causing sloshing and backflow. even it happening one time can cause one machine to be starved etc

[ivory condor]

yeah i know, but given how long i have seen issues with mk2 pipes i cant really say exactly whats going on with them

beyond the obvious fact they seem to suck....alot

[mortal ginkgo]

can you try the setup at 1:44 and wait until all pipes are full?

and start the buildings up one after another

[split trench]

Fugg it, send me your save file

[mortal ginkgo]

pipes look ultra silly but give it a go I say

[brittle grove]

how do you guys keep factories neat ish, when you need to run in resources from like multiple different factories

[steady glade]

Logistics Floor™

[brittle grove]

ah so its more hide the spaghetti from view rather than fixing it haha

[dense violet]

mostly planning and sorting out the layouts and paths for belts and pipes before hand 🙂

[ripe basin]

I just try to avoid spaghetty by any means

Even if that means that i need to rebuild the whole factory

[mortal ginkgo]

well you are a bug with a plan so

[heavy pine]

Also helps to build foundations on the world grid

[ivory condor]

sure, honestly the mods that were used surely couldnt have impacted these results, but feel free to say if im wrong somehow, but this is all vanilla content here, blenders, pipes, its all standard stuff, i actually make it a practice not to use none vanilla content that much, aka i could easily remove all mods, only thing i would lose would be like modded bp designers but thats about it

[clear wadi]

my god 15k coal and sulfur can only run 250 generators

[ripe basin]

Guys im a big dum dum
I remembered that i tried to build a pipeline for nitro, instead of using drones and tanks

[clear wadi]

[split trench]

yeah just share after disabling it

[fiery lotus]

No one told me there were machines with four inputs
ADA have mercy on this FICSIT® Inc. owned soul

We're going to need a bigger truck...

Maybe with some kind of specialised road to get to its destination faster

I can even remove the tires and use the bare metal wheels for decreased friction

[leaden turret]

🥽

[hexed phoenix]

Could top that..

Packaged Liquid transporting 600m3/min via Carts 🙈

[mortal ginkgo]

This is a Factory Crime at this point!

[hexed phoenix]

Heard rumours doing this, will unlock ADA Romance talks :D

[mortal ginkgo]

Perfectly viable and correct way of providing fluids yes. 🙂‍↕️

[mortal ginkgo]

VR should have cat-gif disabled for reasons yes.

[fiery lotus]

Alright time to start over my factory & do a carts only logistics factory

[mortal ginkgo]

Slech mate, can I ask for the save myself as well?

[solid storm]

Is there enough Hard Drives to cover all the options?

[white dawn]

Yep, with spares

[solid storm]

Nice! Thank you.

[white dawn]

(Also, late in the game you can just buy drives from the AWESOME shop, if you don't feel like exploring)

[mortal ginkgo]

100 coupons can be really expensive tho'

[solid storm]

Still nice to have the option tho.

[white dawn]

All that time spent Not Exploring was presumably going into pumping those sinks full of material! :D

[ivory condor]

why does everyone want my save suddenly

[mortal ginkgo]

I wanna test something too!

[split trench]

you are famous

[mortal ginkgo]

You won this time. But I will be back. With stronger arguements that defeat you completely!

[ivory condor]

cant you make something and test it in your save

all your going to see is the stuff i have built

[mortal ginkgo]

Problem is, you have the problem that I don't.

but its ok 👍

[ivory condor]

what problem is that

[mortal ginkgo]

constant mk2 pipe flow

[ivory condor]

but i dont have that

[mortal ginkgo]

ok I think I borked...

[ivory condor]

mine is infact inconstant pipe flow

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats what I meant but alas.

[mortal ginkgo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1n05m48/visualization_of_fluids_from_games_perspective/

can you try the setup at 1:44 and wait until all pipes are full?
and start the buildings up one after another

[ivory condor]

im just giving you a hard time, you can have it i dont mind

this save is basically a major wip anyways

[mortal ginkgo]

you can also try the solution above

feel free to try it without providing save etc

[ivory condor]

most of my projects i really never finished

[ivory condor]

hmmm, looks to be a standard pipe manifold

basically my entire rocket fuel plant is designed that way, but part of me is thinking pipes dont seem to like that kind of setup so maybe i need to rework it

[mortal ginkgo]

the one at 1:24 is, but not the one at 1:44, give it a try I say

[ivory condor]

not sure what i need to rework and how, mostly throughput issues with mk2, would need to do alot more testing to figure out how much of a issue it is though

but my blenders going constantly idle is...concerning

[silk ocean]

I seem to have slowed the game down, any idea what I pressed? XD
It's like in super slowmo

[mortal ginkgo]

Try the setup mentioned above at blender setup

[silk ocean]

This Mk.6 belt is moving at like 5cm per second xD

[scenic mirage]

would yall rather use sloops on turbo fuel or compacted coal?

[mortal ginkgo]

"Just tap more oil" might be a better solution than slooping

[scenic mirage]

fair im just tryna figure out how to get 1120 cc/min

im going for 1120 TF/min

[dense violet]

neither

[hard ivy]

Neither?

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=lBUlHLt4Y0hr95pZA3LB

a plan for 1120 tf

[flat sorrel]

yall replayed satisfactory after 1.0?

[covert vault]

replayed no, kept playing, very much so.

[scenic mirage]

i miscalculated... i have 14 blenders making 200 fuel/min with diluted fuel recipe. so i have 2800 fuel/min to use for turbo fuel

[dense violet]

well alter the plan linked. it'll show you the numbers

[steady glade]

go straight for rocket fuel

[scenic mirage]

i dont have it unlocked in mam yet

[dense violet]

eh, you can avoid rocket fuel entirely

[calm dawn]

nitrogen and any other gas doesn't need pumps, right?

[crisp edge]

Okay just when I thought I couldn't become any more enamored with this game, I just learned of the existence of Johnny the jetpack hog

[scenic mirage]

of who

[void gorge]

Lots of mentions about him lately

Did we up the spawn rate?

[crisp edge]

I'm so glad you asked. Apparently there was a joke made at CSS about hogs being countered by jetpacks. So lym added an alpha hog to the game named Johnny the jetpack hog that has a 1/1000 spawn rate, who drops his jetpack on death, allowing you to access it before tier 5 if you find him before then

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Alpha_Hog#Jetpack_Hog

[crisp edge]

Not that I'm aware of, but I just saw a reddit post and learned about it. I think this is one of those incredible little additions that really give a game a bit of the IT factor

[scenic mirage]

oh i love that lmfao

[spice patio]

And who does kamikaze attacks on players using that jetpack, exploding on impact with anything.

[unkempt blade]

I mostly counter them using nobelisks, maybe we should give them some of those next

[spice patio]

I mostly just get them to start that attack and dodge on ground.

Or shoot with rifle.

[unkempt blade]

let them yeet you off a ledge and parachute out while they fall to their death

speaking of, they really need parachutes for it to be fair

[spice patio]

Doesn't work with Johnny.

[limpid cairn]

Don’t use sloops for anything but dna/slugs/elevator parts

Or you use them to make more golden factory carts

[unkempt blade]

depends on how much extra power you have, if you overbuilt power it's "free" to get some extra production for anything for a while

[mortal ginkgo]

always sloop modular frames 🙂‍↕️

[limpid cairn]

???

[scenic mirage]

fair lmao

[crude canyon]

@unkempt blade nice name
Have you done any projects with factory carts?

[unkempt blade]

yeah I use them more than makes actual sense probably 😄

[crude canyon]

It actually sounds pretty cool!
In my current setup, my whole interfactory network is done with trucks and tractors

[limpid cairn]

Replace them with factory carts

[crude canyon]

Can't, too much sushi

[mortal ginkgo]

one day devs gonna say "belts need power to work" and you gonna go "ITS MY TIME TO SHINE!"

[clear wadi]

can i have a picture of a stackable refinery blue print that can auto connect

i need it to make more power

[trail sonnet]

any fellow germans here that can tell me wether the half nudging feature is working for them with german keyboard layout?

[limpid cairn]

nudging is perfectly fine for me

And yes, I’m german

[trail sonnet]

but what about half nudging when holding ctrl?

[limpid cairn]

also works perfectly fine

[trail sonnet]

thank you

[limpid cairn]

I don’t think there should be a difference in the different keyboard layouts since you use ctrl + the arrow keys and pos1 and pos2

[trail sonnet]

yeah i'm just trying to figure out the problem

[true mulch]

is the +6 inventory slot hdd reward a scam?

I just picked it and got nothing

[spice patio]

Some of the upgrades are bugged in 1.1 and don't work.

Been reported on QA site, but no dev reaction so far.

IIRC one +6, one +3, and one hand slot.

[true mulch]

ahh dangit

autosave 10 mins ago 😩

ty Baldur

[trail sonnet]

so that's why I'm still missing 3 inventoryslots

[unkempt blade]

I'd actually support some amount of belt power requirement. You'd have to balance it right (only higher tiers, maybe cost per length or something?) but then it would actually be more of a decision vs vehicles options

right now vehicles are kind of just there for fun vs being there because they offer some significant situational advantage over belts that run without power or fuel requirements

[clear wadi]

if 480 canisters go into a packager then how much turbo fuel is coming out?

[unkempt blade]

should tell you in the recipe

[clear wadi]

2 canister is 20 m3

is it 240?

[shy mulch]

I'd support a power boost, rather than a requirement. That way it is totally optional. Make a "belt feeder" that you can attach to a belt in a similar way to how you attach a throughput counter, connect the feeder to power and it gives you double speed on any belt, for a cost of something like 1MW per meter

[dense violet]

I'm looking at the recipe on the wiki , it says 2 packages in, 2 units of TF out

or 20 packages pm , gives 20 units of TF pm

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I think a power requirement on phase 1 stuff would probably just make stuff tedious but I don't see any reason higher end belts shouldn't have a power cost. Or do some sort of overclock for them like you're suggesting

[clear wadi]

oh so its still 480 then

[dense violet]

yeah it doesn't multiply

[shy mulch]

I still remember the moment I thought I'd found a game breaking idea of putting sloops in packagers, and just having an array of them packaging and unpackaging stuff to multiply it. Then almost immediately realised that obviously the devs thought of that and made you unable to sloop packagers 😄

[clear wadi]

ok now i can turn oil > heavy oil > fuel then > TF

[dense violet]

eh, slooping is pretty dumb even w/o that

[shy mulch]

even if it's a circle?

[unkempt blade]

One of the things I like from DSP belts is the "stacker" so the same number of spots on a conveyor are occupied but at increasing density as your stack size increases per-spot. I could totally see a power cost for something like that in satis

[dense violet]

especially if it's a circle. That'd be blasphemy

[hard ivy]

it wouldn't even be that OP. packagers are slow (for most recipes). it'd only be worth it for liquid biofuel for the jetpack and maybe for nitrogen

[clear wadi]

to dilute fuel i should package water down low then belt them up correct?

[dense violet]

I don't know what you mean by that? you can package it however you like

[dense violet]

but the simplest way is probably to just have

packagber -> refinery -> unpackager -> loop back

[clear wadi]

so i mean to run pipe i need pumps right?

[silk ocean]

Only thing I package is fuel for drones / jetpack

[hard ivy]

for diluted packaged fuel, you should do closed 1:1:1 loops. 1 water packager, one DPF refinery, one fuel unpackager. loop back the empty canisters. do not merge or split canisters from multiple refineries/packagers

[clear wadi]

if i package water then i dont need pumps?

[unkempt blade]

that would save you a few pumps probably but if you're doing a diluted fuel setup you're probably going to scale your power past any amount a pump would matter for

[dense violet]

if you need to move fluid upwards you often need a pump yes

[silk ocean]

Far better to just use fluid trains if moving distances, rather than package/unpackage, imo

[dense violet]

sure but depending on how you design it it could be much more annoying bringing them back

[hard ivy]

Packaging is more efficient tho

[silk ocean]

Than just loading it directly into a train?

[shy mulch]

I use 10 drones to send 1500/min packaged crude oil to my processing plant and send the barrels back to the extractors 😛

[dense violet]

People really throw efficient around without any meaning >.>

[clear wadi]

wait a minute if using manafold then empty canister will pile up in the first machine

[hard ivy]

yeah, don't do that

do not merge canisters from multiple packagers

[kind rose]

I am here to be 1% efficient

[slender quest]

Then they'll pile up at 2nd, 3rd, and eventually the whole system will be set.

[shy mulch]

You can do it with manifold, but if the machines are 1:1 anyway there's really no need to

[hard ivy]

and now you need several times more canisters than you would otherwise. it's a terrible idea with DPF

[slender quest]

Well, if i'm not speedrunning, that's fine.

[hard ivy]

it's a waste of time, effort and resources with 0 benefit. why would you do that?

[frozen cloud]

cause pretty

[silk ocean]

Wet Concrete conversion complete

Water availability in the dune desert becoming a bit of an issue xD

Have to migrate to the coast 😄

[clear wadi]

-_- i need 37.5 refinery and another 37.5 packager for diluted fuel?

so do i need 38 belts?

[hard ivy]

where's the issue with that? just make a blueprint that contains 1 of everything and paste it 38 times

[clear wadi]

no no i trying imagine how it work

[wraith lotus]

I require inspiration for my rails, I can't make them look nice lmao

[true mulch]

whoever suggested that you can sloop aliens->biomass->biofuel

that's uhhh pretty useless advice given it takes circuit boards and a huge amount of steel to unlock slooping

and by the time you have steel, you shouldn't have biomass power...

[hard ivy]

you can find them
plus you still can use biofuel for the jetpack

[true mulch]

I guess it makes sense for the jetpack but is that really worth 2 sloops

[true mulch]

CB yes, but that's way too much steel to find

there's enough to unlock depots at least

[native tapir]

Hello Satisfactory Community. Once again I forgot to post in the Satisfactory subreddit here on Discord.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/s/ydST9Zi3dw

Goodbye Satisfactory Community. Apologize to greeny for me.

Hope this helps.
-Doug

[silk ocean]

Don't be gone for long !

[native tapir]

It may be a while. I just cannot bring myself to manually delete a third rocket fuel factory.

Thanks, -Doug

[silk ocean]

Best keep it for the future 🙂

[frail sleet]

2 sloops for 10 minutes once and then you get them back 😄

[atomic notch]

How bad was it?

[dim flint]

Man, if satisfactorytools.com saved the positions of nodes in the visualize tab, I'd be so golden right now.

[true mulch]

I mean you can screenshot it

[quick verge]

How do people get pipe wall holes to attach to foundations like this? When I try its red and says must snap to a wall or similar, but wont build. https://i.imgur.com/R9YAFjy.png

[wise junco]

if I had to venture a guess, maybe they placed a wall there then deleted the wall?

[quick verge]

Tried that, but it only goes through the wall, Not all the way through the foundation

[wise junco]

the workaround trick that I see working here is you do that on both sides of where the foundation will be, clip a pipe on the inside, then place the foundation

[quick verge]

Im guessing it works anyway. I loaded a blueprint from someone else, and it doesnt appear they do go through the wall.....so I guess magic pipes

[limpid cairn]

Press h and use the arrow keys

[coral sundial]

So I have relocated my entire coal power plant so I can have 120 coal going into it and 3 water plants

Is that enough for 8 reactors

[fiery garden]

2 options:

1. make a wall but use nudge with ctrl to go half a step back, then put the wall connecctor on it, then dismantle the wall and put a foundation
2. make a pipe with a support pole normally, build foundation on top

[wise junco]

yes

[coral sundial]

Sweet

[fiery garden]

120 coal, 8 generators, 3 water extractors is the ideal ratio

easiest way to get the water in without going over the 300 limit is connect 2 water extractors at one end and 1 at the other end

[coral sundial]

OH good idea ok

That works?

[fiery garden]

as long as youre taking water out as fast as youre putting it in, no problem

make sure the pipe have time to fill up with water and the generators have time to fill with coal before you start wiring up the generators

[wise junco]

Balance

[fiery garden]

generators will keep themselves switched off when they have no power connection, but they will still accept coal and water so you can use that to prepare them. when theyre all full you start connecting them up and you won't have an issue where the first generator keeps stealing all the coal before the last generator can get any

[wise junco]

hey, that's a good info

I've been manually switching them off and then on. I didn't realize just not connecting them had the same effect

[ripe basin]

Hey there banana

[wise junco]

well hello there

[ripe basin]

I didnt eat any bananas today

[wise junco]

how unfortunate

[ripe basin]

Thats a shame

[ripe basin]

We dont have them at home

[wise junco]

RIP

[mortal ginkgo]

they will still work as long as they are connected to any power pole, even if there is no building demands power

so it is ok to switching off etc

[green summit]

is it just always best to have a double railway like side to side i know i might run into issues with single track but i cant think of them now, im just hooking up a plastic and rubber back to main base, with one train probably

[mortal ginkgo]

if one train, its ok

but having double railway would even make that easier to be fair

[green summit]

yeah just later i might hook it up too more stations, so i could rebuild then, or just save the time and make double right away

[mortal ginkgo]

make double right away I say

would be a good tutorial as well

[sullen gull]

You could do like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TLyqBIkaec 😏

[true mulch]

it doesn't take much more effort to build double track over single track, but makes the network expandable and saves you headaches

[mortal ginkgo]

He starts with "it is not finished yet", btw.

[true mulch]

make sure to leave a 1 foundation gap between tracks (it can work with less, but may be prune to problems if you put them too close)

[green summit]

yeah that might be like a super very definite possibility

[sullen gull]

That he does... but what he does have finished ......

[mortal ginkgo]

what I mean is like "brother gonna double this I bet"

[green summit]

yeah i think ill just rip some blueprints off the internet

[sullen gull]

There is this one you can use if going to do that 🤣 https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/megaprints/index/details/id/1584/name/Hornslet+1.0+Global+Rail+Network

[green summit]

"/megaprints"

[sullen gull]

So?

[green summit]

it actually wraps the whole map?

insane

[true mulch]

I would strongly recommend against that

kinda...defeats the point of playing the game

[sullen gull]

Any why is that? If they are just going to download blueprints anyways

[hard ivy]

plus unless you build it, you won't know how it works

[sullen gull]

I mean, I do agree that building themselves would be better... but if they aren't ... 🤷‍♂️

[mortal ginkgo]

Eh, its their game. Let'em do what they want.

[pallid tide]

Game wont let me place a miner of any mk on a sulfur node in the jungle spires, any ideas why?

[sullen gull]

Did you clear the top portion of the node (if there?) Post a screenshot of the node in #screenshots

[pallid tide]

#screenshots message

[shy fog]

almost done with phase 3 again

[sullen gull]

Looks clear... did you try to reload the game? And are there any "errors" when trying to place a miner?

[pallid tide]

Error is "must be placed on a resource node". I'll try reloading.

No dice. 🙁

Seems bugged but I don't know why

[shy fog]

still no power except alien power 😛

[pallid tide]

This node btw #screenshots message

[spice patio]

Was the save started before 1.0?

[pallid tide]

Yes

[spice patio]

Then you are trying to place miner on moved node.
And you already/still have miner at the old location.

With no node graphics under it, happily mining, and reserving the node.

[sullen gull]

The node still shows in an old location when loading the save into 1.0+ client?

[sullen gull]

Ahh, I see what you're saying

[pallid tide]

Fascinating! Yeah I have a miner on one in the grass fields but that one isn't on the map so I was curious about that. That is definitely the issue. Thanks!

[spice patio]

When you do resource scan, the node will show up as in use in the map.

[pallid tide]

Ah, yes. Thanks!

Also it doesn't ping the node my miner is on. Fascinating.

[spice patio]

Because there is no node there anymore.
Just that build miners don't care where they are.
Just get tied to specific node ID when built.

You can after move them freely with save editor etc.

And 1.0 moved some of the nodes.
Removed some, added some, changed some.

[scenic mirage]

lets goooo i finally have radio control units automated, im making 6/min

my bottleneck is crystal oscillators but can easily scale that up

[mortal ginkgo]

its everyone's including my mom's bottleneck

[pallid tide]

I remember now, yeah. Thanks for the help.

[mortal ginkgo]

station gives you info about how much fuel spent etc

after one round of transfer

tractors especially use really low coal

yes or you will lose insanity

you can but you shouldn't (because you will be needing to use a lot of systems to make sure one item wont clog the entire station)

you can also fuel all tractors etc with one station where everything is sent, assuming you send coal there too

even then you would need Sink system etc, its kinda pain

[limpid cairn]

why tractor and not a factory cart?

[mortal ginkgo]

Because there is only one or two mad people in this community.

[limpid cairn]

who are those two?

[mortal ginkgo]

You and Factory Cart boi!

[leaden turret]

points at all the sushi belters again

[scenic mirage]

i wish there was a way to flip a conveyors direction

[leaden turret]

🪞 🖥️

[limpid cairn]

conveyor lifts exist

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
no i mean like this

[sullen gull]

Conveyor direction is determind either by which way you pull from, or when attached to something that sets the direction (machine, splitter/merger, etc)

[peak wasp]

beautiful morning, pioneers! spring is here

[scenic mirage]

i know... im saying i wish there was a fast was to flip it around lmao

[leaden turret]

my allergies say you are late to the party

[leaden turret]

🫱🖥️🫲⤵️⤵️

[sullen gull]

There is. Delete and pull from the opposite direction

[scenic mirage]

with my spaghetti that aint easy 🥲

[leaden turret]

🍝🍴

can use scim to bulk delete belts in one go

@balmy kiln how much of a PITA would it be to have a context menu option for "reverse direction of selected belts" (but only those not connected to splitters/mergers/machines/etc.)

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Thaaaat's not spagehtti! 😏

[balmy kiln]

Easier before 1.0 🤣

[leaden turret]

[crocodile dundee voice]: that's not spaghetti, this is spaghetti https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=spaghett

[scenic mirage]

its worse now

[sullen gull]

Daaamn, who was it that had the mass tendrals of pipes and belts recently ... (Not LGIO of course)

THIS is spageht ...... #screenshots message 🤣

[unkempt blade]

we all know that the correct way to build is lasagna and not spaghetti

[scenic mirage]

like wtf is that

[unkempt blade]

lasagna gives you the smooth predictable surface that factory carts crave so it's superior

[sullen gull]

I call it nightmare fuel! 🤣

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=lasagn

[split ravine]

no way

[unkempt blade]

I don't know what we're talking about but I feel obligated to say "yes way"

[split ravine]

another tinker

[sullen gull]

"Thee" Tinker tyvm .... 😏

[split ravine]

pfft, you’re the knockoff here

[sullen gull]

Considering you seem Tinker with games... and I Tinker with EVERYTHING ....... iiiii don't knooow .... 🤣

[split ravine]

quality over quantity as they say😎

[sullen gull]

You know ... the full phrase is "Jack of all trades, but a master of none, but better than a mater of one"

[unkempt blade]

The only solution is feats of strength to decide who gets to keep the name. I suggest a factory cart skate park building+trick contest

[split ravine]

“but often times better than a master of one”

[tired wedge]

to join someone with a session open to friends, do you just need to search for the session name? my friend wasn't able to find mine

[split ravine]

is that testing my strength of will to use this games’ awful build system (in a game about building no less)

[unkempt blade]

blasphemy! you're clearly the false tinker!

[sullen gull]

Idk, looking at #screenshots and #design-and-architecture, the games build system is pretty good imo ... Guess ya just need to "tinker" some more to figure it out 😏

[split ravine]

so far I’ve found that jump pads are inconsistent to where the only explanation is that some of them have “performance issues” (if you know…), found that hypertubes can’t do vertical connections right to save their life, and elevators aren’t multiplayer friendly when the host has poor internet

[unkempt blade]

only jump pads are relevant for the feat of strength though 😄

[split ravine]

blueprints let you overlap so much stuff and yet any belts will not connect even if they really should

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message #screenshots message and #screenshots message should give ya some inspiration 🙂

Or check any of @noble zodiac 's, @mortal ginkgo's, or many other builds...

Though, I know Kimper does use mods. Though so do I now because I want to save time when doing curves lol.

[split ravine]

are the first and last link the same thing or is discord that great

[mortal ginkgo]

Many curves can be done without mods but mod lets you keep your sanity intact.

[sullen gull]

Ahh, nah, my bad.

[sullen gull]

Meant to past this one first: #design-and-architecture message

[wheat yew]

Wait... nobelisks don't stick to eachother in 1.1..?

[sullen gull]

Those are all vanilla btw. Didn't start using the Curvebuilder mod until after the full build shown

[wheat yew]

I can't make the face-hugger 2000???

[silk ocean]

What is this Half Life xD

[unkempt blade]

yeah or if you're a weirdo like me here's my masterpiece to inspire you #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Lol, was that done with SCIM's Image maker thingy? 🤣

[unkempt blade]

I used paint to get a pixel grid then did it by hand (with a flying mod to make it easier)

[sullen gull]

Niice.

[unkempt blade]

I'll have to dig up some of my other images sometime but I enjoy the emoji art on the side of my factories #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

@split ravine Sometimes though, ya just gotta use a few beams ... #design-and-architecture message 🤣

Out of curiosity, does anyone else have the fauna hostility to retaliate? And if so, do they actually retaliate?

[sterile blade]

This server is not big enough for 2 tinkers

[sullen gull]

There are 6 of 'us' here lol

[lost galleon]

Hi Guys,
can I somehow tell my splitters by how much they should split? e.g. I have 3 splitters back to back and I want each of them to Split by 33% so it is evenly distributed?

perhaps with Intelligent splitters?

[sterile blade]

If only there was more sushi

[unkempt blade]

Oh, we'll have to organize some sort of round robin tournament for the feats of strength I guess

[sullen gull]

No. Look up 'balancers'

[reef basin]

most people just use manifolds

--S--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |  |

[lost galleon]

I have that as well! 😄 I thought it would not split evenly

[reef basin]

it won't at first.. but the machines themselves limit how much they can get

[sullen gull]

Perferred method, as they will "auto balance". Probably only caveat is with nuclear

[reef basin]

so the rest will overflow

[sterile blade]

You can't directly set rates for splitters (that's kinda against the devs' idea of logistical challenges)
But you can leverage splitters' and belts' mechanics to achieve whatever rates you want (as mentioned)

[split ravine]

if the machines each use 1/3 the input then it doesn’t matter

[sterile blade]

Do note that while splitters can't be set, machines can ^^

[unkempt blade]

When it fills up all the way it's "saturated" and at that point it splits evenly. Before it's saturated it would favor the machines closer to the input side

[sterile blade]

It just makes the usual problems more obvious 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

Yeah, so long as the main feed belt supports the throughput, manifolds are the way to go. They may take a while to "balance".. But that time can be shortened by letting everything "prime" (or manually priming the machines with resources)

[lost galleon]

You know if I actually used the brain I was born with perhaps I could have figured that one out 😄

Thanks I will try to keep it balanced because my third Smelter is not getting as much Input because its the furthest away

[split ravine]

something like not giving them an output belt?

[sullen gull]

Or putting them in standby, or clocking them to .1% but yeah.

[unkempt blade]

yeah before it's saturated you get like...
1/2 to first machine pass along 1/2
1/4 to the second machine then pass along 1/4
1/8 to the third machine then pass along 1/8 etc.

But once it fills up the earlier machines more stuff gets passed along as a result

[mortal ginkgo]

Using lower versions of belt that goes into machines can also make manifold go 100% faster, as long as the belt is enough to sustain the machine

like mk6 for main line, mk1 for smelter entries etc

[sterile blade]

I find it curios how few people use the "storage container solution" to the problem of filling manifolds faster ^^

[silk ocean]

Need to be able to underclock belts XD

[unkempt blade]

once I have depots I'll manually load it sometimes if I want to speed it up but mostly I leave the earlier stage running while I build the next stage and there's some already filling it up as I work

[mortal ginkgo]

Using lower mk1 is what it does kek

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/uhhhhh-gif-18728531

[sterile blade]

It's a bit counter-intuitive, but that actually makes manifolds take longer to reach 100% than using max belt speeds