satisfactory

[hybrid nymph]

how do I disable bidirectional track

[wicked nacelle]

first you delete the engine that's facing backwards

but then you have to build out a proper highway system and that's not trivial

[hybrid nymph]

doesn't the train always take the shortest path?

[solemn glacier]

thoughts?
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68b50452dbe2e46a549b0b8d

[peak wasp]

YUP DONE

[warm phoenix]

I think my base is becoming less spaghetti
Now its slightly less spaghetti with lot of jank

[desert bridge]

does anyone know how many mercer spheres i would have if i collected them all minus the ones to fully tech the dimensional storage out?

[atomic notch]

Huh?

[boreal musk]

298 in total
98 for MAM
200 to play around

[solemn glacier]

so if you idle satisfactory your computer can cool down a little

[peak wasp]

you will get there, slowly slowly

[hollow halo]

Hhh I’m cooked- my factory is cooked and idk how to fix it (bro I’m about to reach steel and I want my place decent looking to continue + efficient)

[rustic hare]

picture in #screenshots please

[dense violet]

it's pretty common to revamp your stuff after you've built your coal power

[hollow halo]

Sent

[boreal musk]

you dont fix it, instead you learn how to build better for your steel factory

[hollow halo]

Hm…

Yay 🫠

Time to the play the game again just to stare at it for hours cause I’m ridiculously tempted to just start a new save :3

[boreal musk]

it took me 400hrs of learning to build mega factory neatly without spaghetti

in countless saves

[rustic hare]

well, tbh, my first factory looked like that, one thing I learned is that space can be used sparingly to place machines more aligned, orderly, add walkways, route belts better, you don't need to save space

especially once you got the jetpack and hoverpack, got a look at everything from the top, and everything seems small

[hollow halo]

Sadge…

So.. I really gotta do this like stardew valley…

[rustic hare]

this is 240hr into my first save, I don't like creating multiple saves just because I made mistakes, because everyone does

#screenshots message

also, don't power shard your factories so soon, leave potential

[blazing gulch]

Just got off after like playing for 20 hours straight lol

[cunning glade]

Chat I need help idk what I'm doing wrong

[earnest oak]

good question

[cunning glade]

I have 30 refineries making rubber with 10 refineries making fuel with 20 gens burning the fuel and the hor is still backing up

[zinc quail]

Anyone wanna give some tips for actually getting to endgame without quitting?

Im thinking about starting a run without getting bored

[plain gate]

PDF refineries?

[cunning glade]

Pdf?

[plain gate]

so thats 4500 rubber i think? are the belts running off full speed

[plain gate]

packaged diluted fuel

oh nvm i cant read, so gens are running full rigjt

[cunning glade]

Yes

[cunning glade]

No 30x20

[plain gate]

just overproduce the fuel

[cunning glade]

The fuel is already over producing

[plain gate]

i would just start from tier 9 if youve finished game already

[plain gate]

so how is the hor backing up?

whats the util%

[cunning glade]

Cuz the fuel is backing up

[rustic hare]

actually get to fixing your mistakes as a project

[cunning glade]

The gens aren't burning fast enough

[zinc quail]

I haven't actually gotten very very far. I think it was like hyper tubes and thats it

[cunning glade]

Ig add more gens but

[plain gate]

so build more of them

[zinc quail]

And sam ore

[cunning glade]

I don't want it too mess up in the future

[zinc quail]

All I do is get to build a hyper tube launcher then stop playing😭

[boreal musk]

build more gens then?

also check the number, how much fuel youre making, how much fuel each gen consuming?

all of these problem is easily solved with simple math

[cunning glade]

This be my numbers

[boreal musk]

dont use amount of machines, check the number inside

[cunning glade]

Well the refineries make 40 a min there's 10 of them and the gens burn 20 fuel per min so

I believe my numbers too be correct

[boreal musk]

are you sure? check again, if your number is correct, your hor wont backing up if you used them all for fuel

[boreal musk]

40*10 means 400/min, are you using mk2 pipe?

[cunning glade]

No

[cunning glade]

Yes certain

[frail sleet]

are you merging the pipes?

[cunning glade]

At the end yes

[frail sleet]

what's mk.1 pipe max flow rate

[cunning glade]

300

[rustic hare]

you using 2 pipes?

[cunning glade]

Most of the gens are capped at 50

Some only at 30

I'm just gonna unlock MK2 pipes and just upgrade them all

Hopefully that fixes or helps it

Cuz idfk

[boreal musk]

youre transporting 400/min in 300/min pipe, ofc it will get backed up

unless your doing 2 pipe of 200/min each

[ember moon]

Had a massive project for a coal PowerPoint only realised my math was wrong in how much coal I needed

Was thinking that I'd be able to have about 60 gens only to realise I wouldn't have the coal

Splitting 4 lanes of 15 gens is wrong

On a water side of things

So I might up it to 16 per lane which makes 64 gens what I need

Also @boreal musk how many miners are you using for that diabolically large facility your making cause that looks like a lot of pure nodes

[boreal musk]

the one i sent in #design-and-architecture ?

[ember moon]

Ye

[boreal musk]

not much actually, its just

2010/min iron
540/min copper
540/min coal
720/min concrete

all miner overclocked

[ember moon]

NOT MUCH??

[atomic notch]

Yeah its really not that much

[ember moon]

I believe it's 2 cores for 200 percent due to mk3 conveyors only doing up to 120per minute

[atomic notch]

Like basic p2 stuff

M3 270

M2 is 120

[ember moon]

I do remember you get mk 2 at steel production

I'm stupid

Also managing that looks like a headache

All those conveyors

[boreal musk]

its fun

ive done bigger build, this much is nothing

[sullen gull]

Huh.. just noticed that you can search for the Foundry, but it doesn't show when opening buildings on the left on the gg wiki

[atomic notch]

Thats funny

[ember moon]

Tbh I've seen how some people brain works (source: imkibitz)

That PowerPlant he's building is crazy

[atomic notch]

Yeah its really funny watching kibs build

[ember moon]

Also I've had this.game for 5 days now.and spent nearly 50 hours on it

Holy I'm addicted

[earnest oak]

my fps goes to 60 when im in my build menu what could it be about

[atomic notch]

🥔

[ember moon]

Probably a setting reducing fps when in a menu

Or a potato pc

[earnest oak]

nah its not capped

[earnest oak]

nah i get around 160 on ultra settings

[feral geyser]

It's a menu, so it doesn't have to render as much, so it doesn't?

Does it do it when you open the codex too? Or just build menu?

[ember moon]

Don't know I'm having small freezes when I open the build menu but it's normal for me

[earnest oak]

codex as in n no

[boreal musk]

his turbofuel plant could be much smaller if he just do closed loop instead of merging all the loop into one big system

[atomic notch]

N is search bar

[ember moon]

Yeah

[feral geyser]

Searching what?

Searching the...

[exotic pilot]

Chat what’s your favourite conveyor design

[ember moon]

Mk3

[exotic pilot]

I like mk 5

Mk 6 is too vibrant and simple

And the others I don’t care about

[stray herald]

Can I nudge the content of a blueprint?

I need to move everything by 1m

In the BP editor

[silk ocean]

I kinda wish you could just select stuff like in Factorio and CTRL+C, CTRL+V

[stray herald]

I guess they won't since Blueprints exist

[silk ocean]

Blueprints exist in Factorio as well, you can select stuff to create a blueprint

(instead of having to rebuild in the editor)

[exotic pilot]

I hate screws

[atomic notch]

U can search all sorts of stuff on it i mainly just do quick maths on it

[stray herald]

Real

That's why I try to find alt recipes that eliminate them

[exotic pilot]

I figured out you can do maths in the overlocking area

[atomic notch]

Yeah its cool

[stray herald]

Oh I see

[exotic pilot]

They really thought of everything

[atomic notch]

If ur really smart you can do math in ur head

[exotic pilot]

Not when I play satisfactory

[atomic notch]

Yeah dude the fractions are crazy sometimes

[silk ocean]

Remember you can type into the overclock % box, if you want something precise like 163.3333%

[atomic notch]

Gettin to the 4th decimal point is a little too much for me

[exotic pilot]

No I just needed to figure out what 9+7.2 was

[exotic pilot]

I just type the number

[silk ocean]

or that, yea

[atomic notch]

Hahaha

[exotic pilot]

I’m telling you I can’t do maths when playing satisfactory

[atomic notch]

Ik dude ill type the stupidest shit in there

[silk ocean]

You don't have to xD Hit N and just type the sums there 🙂

[exotic pilot]

Ik that’s what I’m talking about

[ember moon]

You know it's getting bad when you can't do basic maths

[exotic pilot]

Yeha

I think schools making it so I’m getting worse at maths

Worse at everything in general

[ember moon]

Lmaoo

[exotic pilot]

I wish I was joking

[silk ocean]

Easy sum if you think about it: 9 x 7 = 63. 0.1 of 9 is 0.9, two of them is 1.8, add together for 64.8

[exotic pilot]

Huh

[silk ocean]

Oh it's 9 + 7.2... Sitting too far from the screen xD

[exotic pilot]

Yeah

[silk ocean]

Even easier xD

[exotic pilot]

What did you think it was

[silk ocean]

A star, multiply

[exotic pilot]

Oh

Well then I’ll definitely use n

[silk ocean]

xD

[exotic pilot]

I keep forgetting I play with my friend and he’s smart so I should just ask him

[silk ocean]

The human version of N

[exotic pilot]

Yes

Voice activated

[silk ocean]

Better than AI™

Is that RI... Real Intelligence ?

[exotic pilot]

Rl is that a rocket league reference

Oh

[silk ocean]

Never actually played rocket league, probably should do

[exotic pilot]

I’ll carry you in 2s

[silk ocean]

Boosted

[exotic pilot]

Possibly

I’m the most average rank

I never heard of it until my friends begged me to play like last year

[silk ocean]

It's F2P isn't it

[exotic pilot]

Ye

Epic games

[silk ocean]

Might try it at some point

Yea just found it in my Epic client

[exotic pilot]

Irl has taken a complete new meaning for me

[silk ocean]

Real World - worst video game ever xD

[exotic pilot]

In rocket league

[exotic pilot]

Never heard of it

[silk ocean]

Requires going outside xD

[exotic pilot]

Oh

I thought you meant an actual game

That’s how much I don’t do it

[silk ocean]

xD

[exotic pilot]

Even tho I’m outside rn waiting for my bus

[silk ocean]

Shock horrorz xD

[clear wadi]

hi im just download satisfactory for a few days and it got me addicted

[silk ocean]

It tends to have that effect xD

[clear wadi]

can i ask u guys how to connect the belt for manifacture

[silk ocean]

Like to a Constructor?

[clear wadi]

i currently trying to build heavy mordular fram

[silk ocean]

How do you mean connect the belt?

Like a manifold design?

[clear wadi]

cause i need 2 manifarure

yes

[silk ocean]

!wikisearch manifold

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[clear wadi]

oh i mean the machine with 4 input

[silk ocean]

Oh right, well you need 3 or 4 lines going in, so space them a little far from the manufacturer, then you need 4 levels using the supports

[dense violet]

this is a very convenient way https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1101404340914225152/Screenshot20220121-09075200000.png?ex=68b5eef9&is=68b49d79&hm=b712d885a863c1f6b59c31480be374faf3211fa20e6859a3edad7d6e8776230f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[silk ocean]

The top two splitters probably need to be connected to the vertical belts

[clear wadi]

sushi line?

[silk ocean]

That smart splitters sushi tho

[dense violet]

yup. Smart splitters and a sink at the end (at least at the start)

very compact and tidy

[clear wadi]

i have smart spilter

[dense violet]

you can unlock them very early yeah 🙂

[silk ocean]

Depends how many mats are required per min, it's limited by 1 input belt

But it is a nice tidy design

[clear wadi]

i have exactly enough for 2 manifacture to produce 5.6125 heavy mordular

[silk ocean]

Either do that design with smart splitters, or space things further apart and run in 4 belts stacked above eachother, add splitters to each row and connect directly or using a vertical belt

[bright helm]

School starts in my country. Less Satisfactory😮‍💨✌️

[cunning glade]

That's what I'm doing

[unkempt blade]

What's school going to teach you that Satisfactory doesn't? This doesn't seem like a very good plan for your future

do they even have factory cart electives?

[bright helm]

School doesnt have lizard doggos

So Satisfactory wins

[clear wadi]

how can i post a picture?

i think i figure it out

[silk ocean]

#screenshots

[shadow torrent]

Is calculatory down?

[hybrid nymph]

well guys I couldn't fix the trains, so I just redid my tracks entirely and redid the station at oil instead, since the damn train refuses to cooperate

[peak wasp]

Evening, Pioneers!

[keen jacinth]

Hey chat

Is it worth transporting resources via train over to a factory to produce adaptive control units, or making a brand new massive factory that produces it from raw materials.

[silk ocean]

Personal preference really

[keen jacinth]

It's just I don't mind doing either, but idk what is more efficient and easier

[silk ocean]

I generally opt for do initial processing at the resource, possibly 2 stages up to an intermediate product, and then train it over the global network to a dedicated production facility

and/or for high demand intermediate/advanced products I try to pick a location where I can source the majority of resources relatively locally, maybe have to train in one or two things

[keen jacinth]

I see

I practically have everything at my hand in different factories for adaptive control units so..

[silk ocean]

For example, Iron Ore -> Iron Ingots -> Iron Plates. If they can then be train'd to multiple locations it can work well

[true mulch]

Yeah. I'd recommend the opposite here lol

!wikisearch independency

[silk ocean]

It's personal preference as mentioned xD

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[silk ocean]

The only sites that I do Independency on are power plants

[keen jacinth]

Yeah. Though trains i'm not good with. I don't know how to limit how much it takes and drops off

[silk ocean]

Trains move huge amounts of materials

[coral glacier]

Where is a good channel to ask questions about power production? :P

[true mulch]

#1038092680493801533

[coral glacier]

Thanks!

[silk ocean]

If not comfortable with trains, do all the processing locally like Ondar suggests

[true mulch]

The wiki page explains the reasoning behind my suggestion

[keen jacinth]

I guess so

[silk ocean]

Independency is nice in theory but in reality you never have all the resources at hand, a global logistics train network eventually is essential imo

[coral glacier]

Drones are handy

[keen jacinth]

What tier are drones though

[silk ocean]

8

[keen jacinth]

Dang

[coral glacier]

:)

[silk ocean]

Trains are far better imo xD

[coral glacier]

Yeahhhh, but with drones your materials get to fly!

XD

[silk ocean]

xD

[keen jacinth]

Drones are cool, trains are cool and handy

[exotic pilot]

but you have to connect them

[keen jacinth]

Coming from someone with a model railway set in my roof

[silk ocean]

Yea but once setup it makes moving stuff around the world so much easier

It's a lot of work to build no doubt

[keen jacinth]

Blueprints are a lifesaver

[coral glacier]

We have dimensional depots, we have teleporters, i say we need material dimensional transporters.
That way trains would be obsolete! 🤣

[noble topaz]

How do you make trains work? I have to test to see it works like 5 times before it works automatically

[exotic pilot]

never used a blueprint

[keen jacinth]

go for it

it's worth it

[exotic pilot]

i got no use for it rn

[keen jacinth]

Railways are huge for blueprints

[noble topaz]

Dimensional depot downloader (actual mod)

[keen jacinth]

Or a wall design

[silk ocean]

Mainline (2 tracks), signals (decide drive right/left), path intersection branches off the mainline to stations.. basically xD

[coral glacier]

Especially when building an extensive modular design for making large power grid. :D

[noble topaz]

I was talking more about the stations and cargo

I also needed to test if items were going where they should be

[silk ocean]

Bottom line there is no right or wrong in this game, design/play your factories however you are most comfortable

[keen jacinth]

I would send a pic of my fuel generator build but i'm not on pc rn

[noble topaz]

I've had to edit something like 100 times just for one line of a project part

[coral glacier]

Josh is very comfortable with His designs.

Letsgameitout*

[silk ocean]

I generally do 1 station per material type, but you can mix in various ways. You allocate a train schedule so you know where the train is loading and unloading, etc

[noble topaz]

The conveyer belt tornado

[coral glacier]

I prefer Cocoon

[noble topaz]

[coral glacier]

🤣

[noble topaz]

And the weave

And the nest of conveyer belts and other stuff

[keen jacinth]

If there's one thing that reminds me of josh its: Fuck around and find out what I get

[coral glacier]

The "worst" thing is how he networked his cooling net for his nuclear power plants. 😆

[noble topaz]

Free roam pipes

[dense violet]

really up to you 🙂 the whole game is about making those kinda choices

[exotic pilot]

i wish there was the ability to put a splitter directly on the output and a merger on an input of something so once one thing is full it will do the other and wont get clogged

[coral glacier]

It's as hilarious as it is horrifying.

[keen jacinth]

I wish I could immediate replace pipeline pumps from mk1 mk2 immediately. have to delete it manually and replace

[silk ocean]

Should mostly ignore my advices anyway, I'm a noob xD Fairly good with trains but that's about it lol

[noble topaz]

You gotta do that

[coral glacier]

I am also a noob

[noble topaz]

Damn 😭

I'm just about to get mk2 pipes

[exotic pilot]

im a noobier noob

[dense violet]

why replace them if they're already doing their job?

[noble topaz]

I'm the noobest noob

[coral glacier]

Josh is THE noob

[keen jacinth]

An mk2 is always better than an mk1

[noble topaz]

Yes

[exotic pilot]

hes god wdym

[noble topaz]

Also yes

[keen jacinth]

Josh is the whole reason why i play this game

[dense violet]

I mean more power and more headlift

it means you'll need fewer along the way, but this example sounds like the system is already working with mk1s?

[noble topaz]

Fr

If it wasn't for him and his monstrosities, I wouldn't be playing the game

[coral glacier]

For Josh it's either "My goals are beyond your understanding" or "I am throwing things against the walls to see what sticks"

[keen jacinth]

At few points i needed mk2's. oil node quite a distance away from my computer factory

[exotic pilot]

the poor lizard doggos

[dense violet]

pumps don't care about distance. only headlift

[keen jacinth]

Huh

Good to know

[coral glacier]

"Writes that down"

[dense violet]

pumps only effect how high fluids can go

and the way you're describing it is you had a system already working with mk1 pipes.

they'll continue to work like that.

[keen jacinth]

I feel like I should delete my 14.5 min motor factory. uses 750 iron, too much

[noble topaz]

Yk when you see a black background with white text, and the funny song, what shows next is gonna take a very, very long time to make, and it's gonna work super inefficiently

[dense violet]

so there's zero point in upgrading a system to mk2 pumps if it's already working.

[dense violet]

there's probably 80,000 iron ore pm possible on the map. I think yo'ull be ok

[noble topaz]

How about if whatever you're pumping into needs more than what mk1 holds?

[dense violet]

pumps don't hold anything

[keen jacinth]

It's just for flow rate

[noble topaz]

PUMPS

[dense violet]

they also don't change flow rate

[noble topaz]

I'M DUMB SORRY

[keen jacinth]

huhhh

all my knowledge is crumbling bro

[noble topaz]

I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PIPES, NOT PUMPS

[coral glacier]

Pumps only help move liquids, if there isn't a source the pumps pump nothing. :P

[dense violet]

all they literally do is allow fluids to reach higher up xD

[noble topaz]

excuse my stupidity

[coral glacier]

Not stupid

[exotic pilot]

im stupid

[dense violet]

now, if yo uhave a long and wiggly pipe across the land it'll probably move upwards at somepoint and you'll need some headlift, sure

[coral glacier]

maybe

jk

[exotic pilot]

its not a maybe

[dense violet]

but if your long and wiggly pipe was working with mk1 pumps, changing them to mk2 will do nothing. But possibly eat a bit more power

[coral glacier]

One thing i like about satisfactory, is you can make the most efficient thing, and also the most inefficient thing to that.

I have a long time before i build the power plant i want to make, but hopefully, whenever it's done, i can share it with you all! :D

Emphasis on Whenever

[clear wadi]

finally

4 encased beam, 5.6125 heavy mordular and 5 motor are such a headache

[silk ocean]

Look on the bright side, things only get more complex xD

[clear wadi]

yeah

now i need diluted fuel

🥲

[coral glacier]

But that only makes it more fun!
(Because why wouldn't you want to play some more?

[silk ocean]

Exactly! xD

[coral glacier]

Do it for the Doggo's

[boreal musk]

its done. its probably the biggest phase 2 project ive ever did

[coral glacier]

I saw, looks organized

Good job

[clear wadi]

i got steel mordular right after i finish the iron rod logistic

things could have been easier

at least this factory only need limestone and iron

[clear wadi]

wow that a lot of machine

i just put all the material into a bin then overclock and use sombersloop

[coral glacier]

Now automate Power Shards.

:D

[leaden turret]

points at sushi belters

[clear wadi]

i came up with this manifacture logistic

can anyone check in the screen shoot

now its high speed connector, computer turn

[covert vault]

Mk3 pipes when? >_<

[hybrid nymph]

ugh just rage quit Minecraft

[covert vault]

trying to rebuild a nuclear power plant atm and just the water is so annoying

[hybrid nymph]

God I miss modded Minecraft

I need to work on tier 7

[boreal musk]

its a lot of machine indeed, im going to double it up in phase 3

[clear wadi]

i need more power now

i used half of them

hard drive hunting time

[hybrid nymph]

I gave up on the trains

so I just said fuck this and switched around my stations

[limpid cairn]

Yes WHEN

600m^3 isn’t enough

[covert vault]

indeed

[limpid cairn]

I can hook up like 3 packagers at 200 p/m with 1 FULL pipe of nitrogen gas

[hybrid nymph]

we need mk3 pipelines at 1200m^3

[reef basin]

given people can't even build mk2 reliably, we don't need mk3

[hybrid nymph]

yeah people are kind of dumb, pipes aren't that hard

[coral glacier]

As an artist once said "But why stop HeEerEe!?!"

[reef basin]

max belt equals max solid extraction, max pipe equals max fluid extraction

no idea why we'd need more

[hybrid nymph]

I finally fixed my power

12375MW of power

oil is complete, take a look in #screenshots

[small notch]

Hello

[covert vault]

Anyone know why my teleporters suddenly aren't staying connected?

[hybrid nymph]

you can get teleporters?

[covert vault]

late game, yes

[hybrid nymph]

what? tier 9?

[covert vault]

not sure exactly which one, it's one of the last things you unlock though so I'd say yes

[hybrid nymph]

I'm not even on tier 8 yet lol

[covert vault]

they're incredibly handy but for some reason mine aren't staying connected atm

[hybrid nymph]

I'm still stuck on tier 7

[covert vault]

you'll get there

[hybrid nymph]

just finally got my trains and power fixed...it only took me 4 hours!

[covert vault]

considering my power grid is approaching a Terrawatt....

[keen jacinth]

who knows might be lack of singularity cells

[covert vault]

there's an entire mk 2 container full of them backing my portals

[keen jacinth]

might be a bug?

[covert vault]

seems like it

I just saw all 7 of my source portals disconnect at the same time, all 7 of them had 50 sing cells in plus more on the conveyor

Not like I'm lacking sing cells: #screenshots message

[steady glade]

dismantle check the belt, see whats on it

[covert vault]

all of the portals have 50 stored in them, they're definitely getting fed.

if it were a lack of cells I'd expect them to disconnect 1 by 1 as they ran out individually, but they ALL disconnected and reconnected at the exact same time.

[small notch]

Are ai limiters used a lot later game

[steady glade]

ye

[small notch]

Ok

[night birch]

Nop, created a thread in help channel but it has no response, are you having same issues?

[stray herald]

Is there even a reason to have nuclear power plants before having the reprocessing milestone unlocked?

[steady glade]

power

[stray herald]

But I don't think having a tower made of storage containers full of waste is a good thing 😭

[limpid cairn]

But why nerf every smart person because of dumb people

[steady glade]

"temporary" storage

[stray herald]

lmao xDD

[oblique aspen]

thats everyones choice, but storing the waste has been normal for a long time in the game, and its really not so bad once you accept it as fact

[covert vault]

do what I did, use drones to move it all to a base in the middle of nowhere until you unlock reprocessing, and once you do use the drones to move it from there to your reprocessing site

[oblique aspen]

of course you can build another oil-based power planet and only deploy nuclear later, your choice

[covert vault]

meant I didn't have to deal with the waste being near me until I was ready for it.

[reef basin]

smart people aren't nerfed by having limits, they work smartly around them

[limpid cairn]

Why store waste if you can turn it into plutonium…and then into ficsodium

[covert vault]

it's not a limit, it's a frustration, I have to build 2x the infrastructure I would otherwise need.

[reef basin]

no, you need to build the same infrastruture

[stray herald]

10 supercomputers need 4000+ MW of energy and my turbo fuel plant with a fully oveclocked oil extractor only makes around 5500 so it won't cut it because I need a factory for radar control and cooling systems and heat sinks and etc etc

Guess I'll make some mega storage

[oblique aspen]

by that argument you'll never end, why stop at 3 when 4 would reduce it even further, or 5

[covert vault]

@reef basin If mk3 pipes were a thing and they kept to the same doubling of capacity, I would need half the mk3 pipes

so building mk2 (assuming the existence of mk3) would be twice the infrastructure

[reef basin]

or you build where the source fluid is and you only need to connect between machines, so you don't need any long mk2/3 pipes

[covert vault]

I am building where the source fluid is, I am building 12x nuclear power plants

no matter what, I need to build 6 lots of pipes for 12 nuclear power plants

theoretical mk3 pipes means I would only need to build 3 lots of pipes

it's literally half the work, regardless of the length of the pipe.

[stray herald]

Mark 2 oil extractors too pretty please 🙏

[limpid cairn]

What nodes do you use

[reef basin]

not really. If you build the plants at the pipe, you only need "one" pipe

P P P P P P
+-+-+-+-+-+
M   M   M

this scales no matter how many you need or what pipe limit is
(P = power plant, M = machine making rods)

[limpid cairn]

Im using 2 normal ones and it gives me like 16k power

Without the diluted fuel recipe

[stray herald]

For the plant I am using one pure oil node. I haven't done anything about the supercomputer factory yet.
I feel like I need lots of oil but there aren't many good nodes so I'm saving them for recipes instead of powe5

[limpid cairn]

You can find oil wells that are pretty good if not even better

Just use the current nodes for power

[ripe basin]

Good day guys
Im back home

[limpid cairn]

Also, you can craft resin into rubber, plastic in mass

[ripe basin]

Alternatice recipes

[covert vault]

I've no idea what the hell you're thinking about, there's not enough room on a single pipe to have 5 extractors and 2 nuclear power plants and then extend that infinitely

it doesn't work.

[peak wasp]

with truck stations, can you set up just refuelling?

[covert vault]

yes

[ripe basin]

Sure, why not?

[limpid cairn]

There’s no alt recipe that needs resin

[ripe basin]

Oh
I thought recycled was alt

[vale grotto]

Recycled doesn't need resin

[ripe basin]

What does it need then

[limpid cairn]

Recycled plastic and rubber needs resin and water

[covert vault]

The same argument applies inversely to conveyor belts, why have mk 6 when mk2 will do? need more just build more factories.

[stray herald]

Residual uses polymer

[vale grotto]

Fuel and either plastic or rubber, which then makes the other

[ripe basin]

Oh yeah

Forgot

[covert vault]

the fact that we have mk 6 belts which are 2000% faster than mk 1, but mk2 pipes are only 200% of mk 1 pipes, it's a weird artificial limit.

[vale grotto]

Recycled plastic and rubber use fuel, not resin
You're thinking of residual

[limpid cairn]

Ah mb

[stray herald]

I've got tens of refineries sending the resin to sinks☠️☠️

[ripe basin]

Yeah me too

[reef basin]

water extractor is 20 meters wide, nuclear plant is 36

5 water extractors is 100, two plants is 72. You build one module that way, second one inverted. Easily scales, doesn't hit any pipe limits. Or you offset a few extractors, up to you

E E E E E   P   P
+-+-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
  P   P   E E E E E

or

 P P   P P
+++++ +++++
E|E|E E|E|E
 E E   E E

[stray herald]

I also gotta build a train system 😭😭 Phase 4 is so overwhelming

So many things

[ripe basin]

Its fun actually

Trains have very cool design

[covert vault]

or just give me mk3 pipes and I don't have to any of that, like I said it seems like a weird arbitrary limit when we have mk1 to mk6 conveyors with a 2000% increase in capacity, whereas we only get a 200% increase in capacity for fluids.

[vale grotto]

The reasoning is that the max tier matches the fastest extraction rate

[covert vault]

that's not true at all.

[vale grotto]

Oil extractors pull 600/m, MK3 miners pull 1200/m

[stray herald]

My problem is never being able to settle on something. I always overthink it and go like "Once I do X and y factories, I'll actually start trains". Been doing that since I unlocked them but now I'm on tier 8 milestones and still haven't built anything

[covert vault]

@stray herald my train system now rings the entire map.

[vale grotto]

And having only 2 belt tiers wouldn't really work as a 600/m belt in the early game would be a tiny bit absurd

[covert vault]

@vale grotto I'm not suggesting they remove belt tiers

I'm suggesting they ADD pipe tiers.

[reef basin]

we have pipe and conveyor limits for multiple reasons:

• we don't need more, but both pipes and conveyors max out at the amount you realistically can make out of single extractor
• engine limits are a thing
• gameplay limits are a thing

[vale grotto]

And I don't think it's needed. I think matching the pipe throughput to the fastest extraction rate makes sense

[ripe basin]

Brother
You'll do them eventually, im sure

[stray herald]

How did it look like when you first built it? A couple stations? A full network from the get go?

[reef basin]

by the same argument you could say "give us a mk8000 pipe with infinite throughput and allowing for multiple fluids" and it would turn into "just connect everything to a single pipe and it will work"

[covert vault]

You don't need more, I do.

[reef basin]

no, you don't either. You WANT more. There's a difference

[covert vault]

Started from green fields to oil sands then slowly expanded.

[covert vault]

by that argument you don't need tier 2 pipes

[reef basin]

you do... to extract the max possible oil from a single node

you can't do that in any other way than having mk2 pipes

[covert vault]

cool, well I need to run less pipes around my base.

and I can't do that by any other means than higher tier pipes.

[reef basin]

that's not a gameplay thing, that's a preference thing

that's a different thing

[ripe basin]

I usually do short trains when im too lazy for belts

[covert vault]

considering it's a game, they are both preferences

you don't HAVE to make use of every last erg of a resource

[reef basin]

amount of resources extracted is not a preference, it's a game desgin/balance mechanic

[covert vault]

you could balance on lower limits.

[reef basin]

the total amount of resources in the world is very much something they plan the balance around

[covert vault]

it's a game design mechanic that affects balance, the design could be adjusted to maintain balance.

make the pipes larger, or super expensive, there's any number of ways to maintain the balance.

[toxic grotto]

how mutch will be statisfactory kost on console

[covert vault]

@toxic grotto no announcement yet

[reef basin]

want to transport 5000/min fluid? sure, you can do that with more pipes
want to mine all oil on the map? you can't do it without mk2 pipes

if you don't see the difrerence, I don't see a reason to talk to you, because that's apples and oranges

[covert vault]

I do see a difference, I just don't agree on the reasoning

[chrome iron]

How much will satisfactory cost on console?

[ripe basin]

Why would you want to transport 5000/min fluid 💀

[covert vault]

you're arguing one is an inherent limitation, I'm arguing it's not.

[reef basin]

even if for some reason they decided that this weird and unlogical thing needs to go in the game, there's still the engine limit

[toxic grotto]

i need to wait right

[ripe basin]

Yes

[reef basin]

so it won't be a thing even if it made sense (and it doesn't)

[toxic grotto]

thx for the ansewer

[reef basin]

your argument is "I want more", which is infinitely applicable, which doesn't make sense

[covert vault]

12 nuclear power plants uses 3600m³ of water, it's not hard to hit those numbers.

[covert vault]

just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean the argument is invalid.

[reef basin]

if you centralise your water distribution, yeah. That's what the game tries to teach you to NOT do

[ripe basin]

Just use more pipes brother (Or sister, im not sure)

[reef basin]

it's not about making sense, it's about literal hardware and software limitations

[covert vault]

yes, that's what I am doing at the moment, I am arguing for being able to use less pipes because it takes so long to build enough pipes.

[reef basin]

because you're centralising it instead of doing small modules like I've shown 🙂

it's literally a self-induced problem

[covert vault]

except I haven't seen any evidence of it being a hardware or software limitation, it appears to be an arbitrary decision by the game designers.

[ripe basin]

I just dont do nuclear

Fuel gens are my love

[covert vault]

it's a self induced problem... by the game designers.

[covert vault]

that's the same problem with longer build chains.

[reef basin]

not even the whole time in early access where they battled the engine to even give us mk6 belts because THE ENGINE COULDN'T HANDLE THEM?

[covert vault]

Sure, and they overcame that, so whose to say they can't overcome the lack of mk3 piping?

[reef basin]

they got close to the limit

[covert vault]

if there is an engine limit that's causing it, say so

[peak wasp]

Anyone help me find this somersloop in #screenshots ? It's under this crevice but I can't get into it anywhere and it's driving me crazy it's right under ground.

[reef basin]

they can't do much more reliably

they said that like 1000 times

[ripe basin]

Maybe im just too stupid for nuclear
On my previous main save i had exactly 4 NPPs, 1 for Uranium, 2 for Plutonium and 1 for Ficsonium

[reef basin]

and I did several times already as well

[covert vault]

I've watched every video on their channel, I bought the game day 1, I've never seen them state that mk2 pipes is an engine limitation.

[reef basin]

mk2 pipes are at or around engine limit. They can't do much more

[covert vault]

I have 36 currently, trying to build another 12 and just sighing at what I have to do for piping.

[covert vault]

<citation very much needed>

[ripe basin]

Are you building stuff like 12000/min iron?

[reef basin]

<any stream with that question, pretty sure the archive has like 100 videos on that topic>

[covert vault]

cool, then go find one, until then I choose to believe it's an arbitrary decision by the game designers with no good reasoning behind it.

[covert vault]

ummm... I haven't added it all up, but yeah it'd probably be getting there.

I have one factory alone that does 2400 iron plates/minute.

[ripe basin]

My best is semi-automatic 1 Scomputer/min

[covert vault]

heck... I'm doing 15 Neural Quantum Processors/minute.

[ripe basin]

I dont need that many

[reef basin]

"we need to limit the player" is very much a good decision

if you get mk3, would you want mk4? mk5? where does it end?

the limit has to be SOMEWHERE

it has very reasonably been decided to be at max extraction speed

[covert vault]

in your oh so humble opinion.

In my opinion, it has not been a reasonable decision.

[reef basin]

go play a different game then

[ripe basin]

Lets not argue brothers

[covert vault]

It's a preference, you have yours, I have mine, neither is invalid.

You don't get to tell me that mine is wrong just because you don't agree.

[reef basin]

I'm not saying your preference is invalid, I'm saying changing the game to suit your preferences, when the game is made based on devs preferences is weird

[ripe basin]

You are both right in some way

[hybrid nymph]

turbo rifle ammo here we come

[covert vault]

I am not the only person who asked for this, not by a long shot

[jade marlin]

I am intending to build a world spanning rail network with blueprints. But I am unsure about the best height to avoid lots of ascending and descending as well as general path. (My blueprint is 5 platforms wide and has 4 train tracks on it)
Is there any resource to plan this or a plain picture of a railway like this?

[covert vault]

the very fact that they have addressed the question at all is evidence of that.

[covert vault]

No matter what, you're going to have to build some ascent/descent, I say just run with it.

[ripe basin]

Homing is better IMO, but there is a place for turbo

[reef basin]

there's also several people who ask for free teleportation, flying transportation vehicles, base defence, and all other weird shit

that doesn't mean it's a reasonable thing to ask, or that it's balanced in the ecosystem of the game

[covert vault]

sure, it's a balance between making the game too easy and too hard, and I think they got the balance slightly wrong.

[reef basin]

the game is currently too easy

[covert vault]

in your oh so humble opinion

[ripe basin]

For you, maybe

Not for me

[reef basin]

in opinion of majority of beta testers

[silk ocean]

Got one of my intersections wrong just before I slept last night, woke this morning to find a scene of carnage, wrecked trains everywhere. It was like a scene out of war of the worlds XD

[reef basin]

they literally reduced the difficulty with 1.0 because they want to carter to more casual players

[covert vault]

beta testers aren't the wider player base though, they're a subset there of and they probably play the game significantly more than anyone else

and I say that as someone who's had a dedicated server running for >20K hours.

[reef basin]

except that's not the case, since they were picked to cover both hardcore and casual players

[ripe basin]

I accidentally pressed both + and enter at the same time

[covert vault]

being hardcore or casual doesn't change my statement about being people who play the game a lot, you can be a casual player (like me) and still have thousands of hours in the game cosnidering it's now been out for 8 years.

sorry 6 years, but still.

[ripe basin]

Im casual but sometimes i like something hard like hotline miami 2 on hard

[reef basin]

the fact that you decided on an approach to a factory which is annoying to build (for you) should be the first reason to think about changing the approach, not the game

game offers more painless approaches, some of which I've already suggested

[ripe basin]

||I said the same thing twice in one sentence now i cant be taken seriously||

[covert vault]

or, and here's a novel thought, considering it's a factory building game you remove restrictions on how the player can build.

[reef basin]

go install mods, play with them. Or play another game

[covert vault]

@reef basin you're arguing as though the game is perfect how it is, but by your own admission "It's too easy" and there's things you'd change about the game, so why don't you follow your own advice and install mods or go play another game?>

[reef basin]

the restrictions are in place for both balance and performance reasons

[reef basin]

I already do. I play other games

[covert vault]

cool, then stop telling me my opinions are wrong.

[reef basin]

I never said that

[silk ocean]

Do you find it kinda frustrating that the particle accelerator sound is like it's powering down when it isn't XD

[reef basin]

I said they won't be implemented

[covert vault]

you can disagree with them all you like, you don't get to tell me I'm not allowed to have them.

same shit different smell.

[reef basin]

you are allowed to have them. But if you want to be heard, you're in a wrong place. Here we can discuss them (as we're doing) and same as you can have yours, I can have mine and I can present mine and argue against yours.

[little goblet]

I am building one too currently, and the best way to do it is to use the roads. You can view them by going to satisfactory calculator and the interactive map. There you activate roads, these are very flat passages that are great to build trains in

[jade marlin]

Could you recommend a starting point from which can be expanded? I have seen people circle around the entire map once (leaving out the red forest in their normal train network).
Also what is the general highest point besides the red forest plateau and that one uranium node? (Just for reference)

[reef basin]

if you want a place to just dump your ideas about how to make the game "better", we have a QA site just for that 🤷

[mortal ginkgo]

This is a response that kills game studios btw.

It is the worst answer to any issue when it comes to games.

People can ask for ADA romance options.

[covert vault]

Northern steppes is probably the highest point afaik.

[covert vault]

yup, couldn't agree more.

[reef basin]

don't just "build train network"
build separate train lines as you need them, possibly reusing the existing rails if it makes sense. Let the network grow organically. Don't build rails in advance if you don't have yet plan on how to use them

[mortal ginkgo]

To be fair I could even mute someone if they said that in my own game's discord.

[reef basin]

devs made a game, they made a game THEY wanted to make. They listen to feedback (not here though), but usually stick to their principles and direction they have.

if you don't like the way they made the game, you should go play another game (or mod this game) instead of trying hard to fit your incompatible opinion with the game's core

[covert vault]

I did, and then built spurs off that, there is no one perfect way to do it

almost like it's a game that allows for different designs.

[reef basin]

almost like that was a reply to a different person

[shadow torrent]

Why not, though?

[covert vault]

@reef basin you are the worst sort of fanboy, one who can't admit that there might be ways to improve the game even after saying that there's things you'd change given half a choice.

[reef basin]

because then you run tons of pipes from A to B, instead of just hooking the source to target that are in e.g. 5:2 ratio and building modules of that, which is much easier

[silk ocean]

This quantum encoder peaks at 26.8 GW

[covert vault]

in your oh so humble opinion.

[reef basin]

given that practically all the arguments you've given have been said to devs and they keep their opinion and reasoning the same as I told you, I see no reason to talk about it anymore

and I'm definitely not the one that will tell you that the game is perfect

[reef basin]

can you stop talking to me when I'm replying to other people thanks

[mortal ginkgo]

Again, you don't understand it. Saying "play another game" is easy for you because you are not affected by the situation.

Some people loves this game and wants it to be improved.

You disagreeing with them doesn't mean they should play another game. They are here for a reason, they love what the game is and they want improvements.

You don't get to tell them to play something else. Again, I would tell you to be quiet if I were a gamedev and you had this attitude.

[reef basin]

again, devs have already replied to all of these before, I'm just repeating what they said

[mortal ginkgo]

I am sure devs didn't say "go play something else".

[covert vault]

just because they have said no before, doesn't mean I can't campaign for a yes.

[reef basin]

devs said "not happening"

[covert vault]

If they had, I would have quit the game just in protest.

[mortal ginkgo]

Devs also said no to Blueprints too but then we got them.

ULTRA MAJORITY of reddit posts are about how bad the pipes and fluid system is.
Even Factorio said "fuck water fluid system completely" and made it insanely simple while complicating late game goals.

[olive condor]

Hello Pioneers. 👋 I'm wondering, how do you guys keep track of your drone routes? I have a canister factory with 3 port providing them. And where ever I need them a port with a drone which pulls the canisters there. Now I realize I haven proper load balanced the three providing ports resulting in wait queues.

Is there a way to see how the ports are connected?

[covert vault]

yeah... this is a bit of a nightmare that does need a much better interface, something more akin to the train management would be appreciated.

[shadow torrent]

What's the difference between running tons of pipes next to each other vs. scattered all around the map? The number of pipes doesn't change, just where they are and how easily accessible they are for me.

[reef basin]

except this conversation has nothing to do with fluid system "issues", but with just being lazy to build 20 pipes and wanting to build 10

[coral glacier]

Bazinga

[covert vault]

oh yes, how dare god I be LAZY when I'm playing a GAME

[reef basin]

the amount of pipe segments you build. If pipes are short and just go from machine to machine, it's two clicks
if you have to merge pipes to one and then move it far just to feed machines somewhere, it's a lot more

[silk ocean]

You can interact with individual drone ports to see where they are connected to

[olive condor]

I tried train once. Never again. Im not sysiphos.

[mortal ginkgo]

There is a reason they don't.

I mean I don't understand the "defense" of it all. I said it before: This game is extremely sandbox where we got floating foundations everywhere yet devs decided that "here is realistic fluid system" which isn't even realistic at all.

The fact that everything and my mom including asking for tons of water while fluid system is the weakest part is baffling to me.

And whats even more baffling is people defending or saying "lol bro mod or play something else."

I don't want to play something else. I don't want to use third party mods of some random dude in the internets.

Saying "devs dont read discord" is also silly arguement since we got COMMUNITY MANAGERS here that can tell them all about this.

Againm, Greeny being... meh.

[coral glacier]

Tip: I suggest setting up hypertube launchers before setting up cross-world drone platforms.

[olive condor]

Yes, on the on with the drone I see where the drone goes. But I don't have a list on the reciving end.

[mortal ginkgo]

Saying "not about fluid system" and then callng someone "lazy" because they want better pipes is so... silly.

[covert vault]

yup

[silk ocean]

I'm not sure if there is one, it's a bit of a basic UI

[covert vault]

like I said, it smacks of the worst sort of fanboyism.

[olive condor]

Guess I have to catalog them manually. Except someone knows a mod for this.

[reef basin]

except I said

not about fluid system "issues"
key is reading all the words in a sentence 😉

[covert vault]

this is about as good as it gets: #screenshots message

and yes... I have a LOT of drones.

[hybrid nymph]

trying to get my aluminum setup then going to work on milestones

[silk ocean]

There might be a mod. But yea, otherwise keep a note of which goes where I guess. I checked SCIM and it doesn't appear to be possible to show routes on that website either but I might be wrong

[olive condor]

Tell me about it. I have more than 120.

[mortal ginkgo]

Dude, that wasn't the comeback you expected to work. I read all what you wrote and it was just contradictory as it can get. Just stop.

[covert vault]

fark... colour me impressed.

[mortal ginkgo]

#screenshots message

This can't just look any worse to be fair.

Like look at them water extractors and 1 pipe can only handle 2 OW water bois.

[reef basin]

ah yeah the classic "just stop" when you're the one keeping it going 🤷

I stopped 20 minutes back but keep getting messages 🤷

[covert vault]

yup, one part of the game that sorely needs a rework.... but I'm sure @reef basin will tell me that I just need to use less drones because that's a design limit by the designers.

[reef basin]

[frail sleet]

We have multiple confirmed bugs with the fluid system.

Problem is that fixing them can break niche setups which were net positive (benefitting) from the bugs, and those do happen.

For example you can create infinite headlift accidentally very easily, and if we remove that then any pipe using it accidentally will stop flowing when it flowed perfectly fine in 1.1.

[silk ocean]

I have 600 flowing into my refineries but for some reason some fluid seems to "disappear" one or two can't seem to run all the time and I've checked like 10 times the numbers add up xD

[mortal ginkgo]

What I meant as "stop" is that you shouldn't be contradictory. Not that I told you to stop completely.

You are also 100% wrong about fluid system regardless. You shouldn't stop. You just shouldn't have started to defend the most weakest part of the game to begin with.

Also you have me blocked. Don't respond if you don't like it lols.

[covert vault]

the same argument you're using to try and justify an arbitrary limit in the game, can be used to justify any arbitrary limit in the game, and also to attack it.

[reef basin]

tbf, I wouldn't mind breaking setups that abuse infinite headlift 🤷
(yes, it's annoying for the people who built it, but also they knew they are abusing either a bug or at least undocumented behavior)

[mortal ginkgo]

Just use more pipes bro.

[frail sleet]

The problem is that a lot of people accidentally abuse this free headlift bug without realising. It's very easy to do, it only needs a junction and two pipes.

[wary crow]

do drones stop consuming fuel while hovering above an occupied port?

[covert vault]

oh I am, I just wish I didn't have to

and that was my point in the first place.

[reef basin]

well yeah, but the thing is - it's still kinda "wrong" way to build (from game's point of view), so breaking it shouldn't be seen as that bad

[mortal ginkgo]

My dear Aeryn, I scrolled so many reddit posts where one says "it works for me" and at the same time someone says "it doesn't work for me".

Even if you said "there are no bugs", I would say there is still something ultra wrong about the entire pipe stuff.

[true mulch]

yeah their consumption is based solely on travel distance

[reef basin]

well at least you can see why 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

if you dont have more pipes, put more bro.

[olive condor]

I always assumed the use a certain amount of for one roundtrim regardless how long it takes.

[frail sleet]

Yeah there are multiple confirmed bugs and also just the stuff which is done intentionally is a little bit wrong, probably accidentally.

For example, the dynamic pressure system adds phantom energy which causes perpetual motion and amplification of sloshing, instead of dying down over time as was probably intended (there's a "friction" multiplier which seems explicitly built to make this die down over time rather than self-amplify, but it's ~5x too weak to accomplish that on a mk.2 pipe).

[mortal ginkgo]

You are like Pirate Software.

[silk ocean]

What sort of comparison is that XD

[reef basin]

oh I'm nothing like that person. But sure, assume things because you disagree with my opinion, great 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

Personalities match so hard its not even funny.

[hybrid nymph]

alright been palying for 4 hours

[dense violet]

I tried following the issue - Someone doesn't like mk2 pipes or something? or wants faster pipes?

[silk ocean]

Wat #confused xD

[hybrid nymph]

I am making some raumen and heading to bed

[mortal ginkgo]

Dont worry about it. Just put more pipes.

[reef basin]

one person wants to build less pipes, because they refuse to build where the fluid is and want to build pipeline and are annoyed by having to build so many pipes, so they want faster/larger pipes

[silk ocean]

More pipes, got it xD

[coral glacier]

Eat- i mean build more Pipes

[dense violet]

you mean they made plans with full knowledge of what they needed to do then started bitchign about the thing they internaly accepted and knew was a cost?

[reef basin]

yeah, see also "limits are arbitrarily chosen by devs and I see no reason for those limits"

[mortal ginkgo]

You got no opinion. You are just fanboying for the sake of it. You are trying to defend something that does not affect you.

You are someone who says "go play something else".

You don't have an opinion, at all. Other than having witty silly responds that you think that are all "got'em".

[dense violet]

I'm pretty sure I saw the video where com managers were talking about pipe limitations within the game structure

it's not really an 'opinion'

[mortal ginkgo]

Oh don't let me start my friend.

The fact that sloshing is not "how sloshing works irl" is a meh thing to begin with.

[coral glacier]

It is a videogame, so it's not going to be 1:1 with the real world :P

[frail sleet]

The pipe tuner mod w/ hydrostatic preset basically fixes all of the weird flow problems by relying more on static pressure (based on pipe fullness and height) rather than dynamic pressure where most of the unreal and unintuitive behaviors happen

[mortal ginkgo]

That means the system supposed to be fixed long ago before it became this "mess".

Not being able to have mk3 or 4 pipes is still when almost every late game recipe and my mom asks for water.

[ivory condor]

Going to put my hot take here because we have a heated discussion,devs should have went with a simpler simulation for pipes

[dense violet]

they have engine limitations

they decided it wasn't a priority or something they wanted to include in the game anyway

where is 'the mess' ?

[reef basin]

there's no machine that asks for more than 600 water

[mortal ginkgo]

WOW BROTHER YOU DONT NEED TO THROW SUCH A BOMB AT THIS TIME OF DAY AND ECONOMY

[mortal ginkgo]

Engine limitations? Like... what now?

[dense violet]

the video was years ago. Go dig it up if you're curious

[mortal ginkgo]

#screenshots message

I mean if this isn't a mess, I don'tk now what it is.

[frail sleet]

The most likely "pipe fixes" are mostly removing code that already exists but behaves in unintentional ways, as well as fixing a couple of bugs like junctions calculating their connection heights incorrectly and certain pipe setups failing to transmit headlift where they obviously should, due to an oversight.

[dense violet]

... the nuclear generators that are very tidy?

[covert vault]

If that's the case, we've had multiple engine upgrades/updates since then, so who's to say it's still valid.

[ivory condor]

I know right, this won't heat the discussion up at all

[coral glacier]

I can show you what a mess looks like

[mortal ginkgo]

You don't understand. An Engine can only limit you if it got its own fluid mechanics and doesn't accept anything else.

Devs coded the game. Hello?

[reef basin]

it is a "mess" because they decided to group extractors and group power plants

instead of building them next to each other 😉

[dense violet]

then they figured mk2 were fine?

[mortal ginkgo]

If you don't see the issue, you don't need to respond. 🤷‍♂️

[dense violet]

you can easily design your way around that nuclear set up even if you do think it's a mess

[frail sleet]

Fluid fixes are basically perfect with just a mod which changes what some variables are set to, without having to change any of the code.

If you can change which variables are used when, there's even more power.

[dense violet]

I mean you're the issue atm, claiming facts are opinions

[coral glacier]

Should i get Chrome or Caterium colouring for my pipes?

[mortal ginkgo]

There are reports of people who got literally 2 water extractors connected to a OWed Nuclear Reactor which asks for 600 m2/water yet FOR SOME REASON...

FOR SOME INTERESTING REASON

they see that SOME nuclear reactors are starved of water while others are not?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

[dense violet]

depends what other colours youre mixing it with 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

ok

[coral glacier]

True

[dense violet]

yeah there was a small bug some time ago for a short while. I believe it got fixed

[ivory condor]

So we are blaming pipes for a mess players cause

[shadow torrent]

Unfortunately resources are spread all over the map, i have to move something to somewhere somehow, might as well pump water for a few hundred meters.

[reef basin]

yeah, basically

[ivory condor]

That's like blaming messy belts because the game allows them to be clipped

[mortal ginkgo]

The things you believe are quite interesting.

I mean, you continue with "Engine Limitations". That goes a long way for you at least and I ain't the one to stop you.

[silk ocean]

Somehow a bunch of my slugs found their way into the dimensional depot

[mortal ginkgo]

Madness.

[silk ocean]

xD

[ivory condor]

Im like my dude, this entire mess is your doing

[reef basin]

well this specific "issue" is just about power plants and water extractors, which need exactly one pipe input - water from the extractors

so you just build it over ocean (like they did), and match extractors with power plants (like they didn't)

[dense violet]

it was at least a couple years ago and seems reasonable.

[coral glacier]

Quick and easy manual power shard production

[dense violet]

and that's a choice sure. But you can do it other ways very easily.

all the things in the game are a choice

you want to move 20,000 water pm across the map? well better deal with those logistics

[silk ocean]

Yep 😄

[coral glacier]

I forget, what does pm stand for again?

[mortal ginkgo]

per minute

[reef basin]

per minute

[coral glacier]

Should be impossible for me to lose my mind this early

[silk ocean]

Per metre xD

[mortal ginkgo]

Get out. (Then come back)

[true mulch]

"post meridiem"

[coral glacier]

Per Minute, or Per "Minute"?

[mortal ginkgo]

O'well.

While we got some fluid system defenders, I think it is rather ok to state another part of the game that is lacking:

Where are ADA romance options?

[coral glacier]

Why'do wanna romance someone who's mean to you every chance they get?

[true mulch]

you don't get it

[reef basin]

lol I would never consider myself a fluid defender

the whole issue I talked about earlier was adding mk3 pipes, which has nothing to do with "fluid issues" and such

I agree that the system needs changes, but I don't agree that the system needs mk3 pipes

you seem to not get this 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

ok lil bro

[mortal ginkgo]

what if I am into that?

[ivory condor]

Some people want navier stoke simulated pipes, me personally I can't help but think this is a game so why is it this complicated again

[coral glacier]

[true mulch]

Satisfactory should pull literally this https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-416

same exact reasoning

[reef basin]

tbh, I'd disagree.

I think Factorio went too far with the "difficulty" (or lack of thereof) of pipes

some mid-way point would be the goal to shoot at imo

[dense violet]

Fuck anything factorio on principle. (sorry if you like the game)

[ivory condor]

Hot take, this game should simulate pipes like Foundry does it

[mortal ginkgo]

Are you saying devs should redesign the weakest part of the system where majority of the players are having issues?

What is this madness? What is this black sorcery?

Regardless, while I dont think Factorio did the correct thing by making it way too easy, I can clearly see that they said "let it go bro" and decided to make the DLC complex instead.

They made the correct move.

[true mulch]

having played both pre-2.0 and SA, this change just made dealing with fluids much more enjoyable

[coral glacier]

Simulate pipes like items, performance upgrade 110%

[true mulch]

it is easier yes, but you're asking the wrong question: is it more fun?

[reef basin]

don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the system is bad or not enjoyable.

I'm just saying I'd like something a bit more complex, rather than "connect everything to everything and add a pump when game complains"

[mortal ginkgo]

I am baffled by the fact that people are defending the faults of fluid system and not whining about how foundations can float in the air.

Like bro, if you want full realism, yolo for it. Don't stay stuck mid way.

[ivory condor]

With the amount of pipe frustration I think players arent exactly having fun with them now

[reef basin]

like this makes it way easier than belts, which I'd say isn't the way it should be. While pipes shouldn't be way harder then belts, they should be at least comparable in complexity

[coral glacier]

If you want to engineer with realistic water physics, become a hydroelectric engineer. :)

[mortal ginkgo]

YOU DARE TO QUESTION FLUID SYSTEM?!?!?!??

[mortal ginkgo]

You won internet.

[true mulch]

I concur, but I'd still take trivial but easy to work with pipes over what we have

[rustic hare]

just personal experience, I haven't had any problems with fluids since 1.1 😅

[ivory condor]

See my previous hot take, aka how Foundry does pipes

[coral glacier]

Yaey!

[mortal ginkgo]

Mods. This is him. Yes, this is the madman.

[true mulch]

and you know that I'm also against making the game blanket easier (such as what they did with power in 1.0)

[reef basin]

for sure Factorio's approach would be better than what we have now... But since they are still open to whatever option they can think of, I'd say let's not copy Factorio's approach and make something that's more enjoyable, but doesn't trivialise the game

[shadow torrent]

I build my own MK3 pipes by putting multiple MK2 pipes parallel, then connect them via pipeline junctions every once in a while. Let the engine suffer.

[reef basin]

ah, the good old "I don't like throughput" solution

[true mulch]

they should add Mk3 pipes but make them proportionally larger so you can't connect them to buildings directly

[reef basin]

so, this https://mods.factorio.com/mod/FluidMustFlow

[mortal ginkgo]

I wonder how those mk2 pipe lovers defend the fact that there is ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing whats wrong or not with pipes or at least we don't know how the fluid is fluiding in game.

I hope they don't say "you cant see inside pipes thats why you should not be able to debug it".

I got no counter against that. 😔

[shadow torrent]

It works with MK1 pipes thus far.

[mortal ginkgo]

Foundry is overrated. Ultra hot take.

[coral glacier]

I prefer Satisfactory, because it is more uh.... Satisfactory..

[reef basin]

once again, my point is in no way related to mk2 pipes and their "issues"

[ivory condor]

Mega Ultra hot take, both games are overrated

[mortal ginkgo]

Mods. This is him. Get'im.

[coral glacier]

Assembly Language is the best logistics game on the planet.

:)

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now. we allow you to get out.

[ivory condor]

Its over for me

[rustic hare]

manually addressing each memory address 😂😂

[mortal ginkgo]

"Why don't you code your own Satisfactory game?" will be the next defense against the fluid system.

[fluid sapphire]

back in my day, we had to punch holes into cards, can you believe it

[mortal ginkgo]

ok grandpa, time to sleep

[coral glacier]

Back in my day, we use denarius as currency.

[limpid cairn]

good idea ngl

[silk ocean]

Back in my day we had IPX networking and Wolfenstein 3D and DOOM

[ivory condor]

Yes obviously

[mortal ginkgo]

Anyway, my final comment towards silly fluid system defenders:

"And I had that for my ultra simple Coal Gen setup of 8 gens to 3 water pumps simply did NOT work despite filling them prior.

The problem was fixed when I actually added pumps to prevent the backside long pipes causing sloshing on the far end coal gen connections.

NOWHERE in game tells me why it happens and the solution. I only used pumps because I thought it was a headlift issue (it wasn't).
And right now I am using valves and they work PERFECTLY fine for what I need whereas 95% of players think valves are borked and wack.
Make it make sense and let me know brotherman."

[coral glacier]

The best part, is if you know what you're doing , you know what goes where, when, and how.

[reef basin]

good thing there's like nobody of that sort here

[mortal ginkgo]

I remember trying to play Counterstike with 56kb modem. I died like 10 seconds after I got shot Q_Q

[rustic hare]

your brain literally has the program if you coded the whole stack

[ivory condor]

Sorry I can't make sense of some of these aspects of pipes, I just accept this is how it all works

[silk ocean]

Good old 140ms latency xD

[coral glacier]

Dude, imagine if we had perfect memory and could fix bugs because we knew exactly how our programs and computer work.

[mortal ginkgo]

Just not make a messy setup bro.
Put more pipes bro.
Play the way I do bro.
You are wrong I am right bro.
Play another game bro.

Bro.

[ivory condor]

We would have people defending why memory should be buggy next

[mortal ginkgo]

Linkin Park and all dem songs about memories come to mind.

[coral glacier]

If that'd be the case, then we'd say: "Okay, here's your unoptimized game with horrible performance. "

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't know why. But I thank you for reminding me of them.

[ivory condor]

Dont ask me how this would make sense

[mortal ginkgo]

use another memory system bro

[shy mulch]

Just having a quick glance through the conversation about pipes and I'm just thinking "skill issue"

Pipes work absolutely fine and are completely predictable and manageable if you use them in certain ways. If you choose to use them in ways that don't work as well, then that's your choice and you're perfectly entitled to do that. Just don't blame things that work for not working because you haven't figured out how to use them.

My phone screen breaks every time I try to use it to hammer in a nail. Should I complain to the phone manufacturer or the nail retailer? Or maybe learn how a hammer works.

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, you are wrong but you do you.

[coral glacier]

I like to put Sulfuric Acid in my pipes and spread it all around the world.
Causing all plant life to die and eradicating the harmful ecosystem.

[mortal ginkgo]

The part "absolutely fine" was wrong so eh.

[silk ocean]

For the most part pipes work fine for me yeah, sometimes I am head scratching tho

[mortal ginkgo]

why are you like this, why cant you be normal?

[ivory condor]

Its funny isnt, less messy is less pipes but solution to pipes is adding more pipes, are pipes designed to be messy

[coral glacier]

Excpet for the Beans ofc :)

[shy mulch]

All the pipes in my world are working absolutely fine, and that's not an opinion, they are reliable and transport exactly the amount of liquid I need them and expect them to. Are you saying I'm playing a different version of the game to you?

[frail sleet]

There are numerous documented bugs and unintended behaviors with pipes.

The possibility to work around them with enough knowledge of the arcane arts does not make it a good system.

[reef basin]

fun fact - the conversation was about person wanting mk3 pipes, and when I said that I disagree with them (and devs basically too), I was labeled "mk2 buggy pipe supporter" or whatever, even though that's not at all what was discussed 😄

[coral glacier]

SO THEY CAN BE FOREVER TRAPPED IN AN ENDLESS LOOP OF JUMP PADS!!!
Muahahahahahahaaaa

[ivory condor]

I sure love how all available solutions to pipe issues is to add more pipes, making our pipe setups look more messy as a result

[shy mulch]

people here do seem to enjoy jumping on bandwagons

[sterile blade]

Reminder that Factorio has base defense. It makes sense to make basic tools relatively easy to use while keeping the complexity for less vital parts of the game (eg: having to scratch your head over how fluids work just to manifold coal generators quickly defeats the whole point of being able to build them quickly and progress through an non-peaceful game (in other words, only people experienced with pipes would be able to place them quickly avoiding shenanigans); in SF, the player is encouraged to spend time figuring things out

[coral glacier]

Nicknamed "Food Fight 9000"

[violet wasp]

Hey. I have found a workaround
Launch game with SteamDeck=0 %command% option
And when In save menu - just press A on gamepad, it'll create save in my case named "Spycrab_01.09.25_12.51", smth like that

[ivory condor]

Bandwagon i personally enjoy messy pipes

[shy mulch]

It's only messy if you have to add them on after the fact, if you understand how they will behave and plan for that, then it's fine

[coral glacier]

To me, just having textures in a game is amazing.

[ivory condor]

How is making pipes loops not messy, make this make sense

[mortal ginkgo]

I am unsure if this will just work at this point.

There are people who state that 2 water extractors directly linked to a Nuclear Reactor still having 600m2 flow issues randomly and people think it is "skill issue".

Game is not telling whats wrong or right when fluids are flowing and there is no way to debug: "skill issue".

Late game recipes and my mom asking for ridiculous amount of water yet not having mk3+ pipes is "because of Engine Limitations" someone said; "skill issue".

90% of reddit posts are all about pipes and the most simple setup yet: "skill issue".

At this point, living is a skill issue. 😔

And all I want is romance options for ADA....

[true mulch]

with your example of coal generators, the puzzle is the fact that you hit the pipe limit right away and have to work it out to get the right CG:WE ratio
what the puzzle probably isn't is figuring out that bottom feeding sucks (or, well, doesn't )

[reef basin]

Late game recipes and my mom asking for ridiculous amount of water
the most a recipe asks for is 500/min water... which is below mk2 limit

[true mulch]

pipes could be implemented in such a way that flow is somewhat optimized away, but flow limits are still enforced

[mortal ginkgo]

YOU ARE WRONG AND IT IS A SKILL ISSUE!

[coral glacier]

1,000,000 pm/s pumps when :)

[true mulch]

e.g. if it works out "on paper" that I'm supplying 600 water and drawing 600 water, there shouldn't be any ridiculous flow simulation to make the pipe flow at 600

[mortal ginkgo]

Why is this not a thing?

We got floating foundations.

Why can't we have pipes just endlessly pump stuff etc?

[frail sleet]

There's really no reason that we couldn't have pipes that work consistently and/or have double the flow rates within the engine. Modders have proven that much.

I suspect someone just ran into an issue with the way that variables are set up on the dynamic pressure section, that breaks when you increase flow rate but nothing else does (and it's easy to work around or remove the problematic section)

[shy mulch]

if you want huge numbers of things that aren't available or don't work normally, use mods, there's loads of mods that do everything you can think of if that's what you're into

[mortal ginkgo]

Why are we forced to use mods to fix an issue...

[shy mulch]

I don't agree that it's an issue

[reef basin]

because you're calling game balance "issue"

[frail sleet]

We're not, but we can use mods as a tool to show that issues are fixable and/or that players perfer X config to Y config.

[true mulch]

yeah I found the argument of hitting engine limits weird. couldn't they just fix it by literally halving the production and consumption of all fluids and then keeping the pipes the same (or making them 150/300/600)

[mortal ginkgo]

"There are people who state that 2 water extractors directly linked to a Nuclear Reactor still having 600m2 flow issues randomly and people think it is "skill issue"."

[frail sleet]

Yeah it sounded like a game of telephone problem

1 nonessential part of the fluid sim (which honestly causes more problems than it solves, and adds CPU load) doesn't scale healthily with flow rates. It could be patched, deleted, or other variables can be changed to reduce emphasis on that section and then pipes work fine (and would continue to do so at 1200+/min).

[ivory condor]

Problem pipe flow is not optimized away, aka why you even have to do pipe loops

[reef basin]

afaik that was even advertised as a "solution" for 1.0

[true mulch]

I know I thought of that as a solution way back, idk if the devs ever proposed that

[shy mulch]

If there was an error in the game it would affect 100% of players. It doesn't. Why would that be?

[ivory condor]

They made this simulation to complex and you have to do weird things to work around things like flow issues instead....

[mortal ginkgo]

I just giggled when someone said "Engine Limits" and here I am working on Unreal Engine for more than a decade and 95% of issues I had was my own code's sillyness.

[reef basin]

they did, at least in some QnA clip

[coral glacier]

Add fluid buffer

[mortal ginkgo]

Same person says same setup of Reactors working fine but some are starving water. Care to explain that then?

[sterile blade]

The example was in Factorio, where you had to manually figure out how many boilers you could chain before they stopped working... Not ideal in a game where you're on a timer, but bearable/possibly interesting to deal with when you're in a sandbox
Ie: how complex basic tools should be depends on the game's genre; Factorio having simpler pipes than SF makes sense (I'm not touching on how the current state is, just commenting on comparing the 2 games' systems and their complexity)

[shy mulch]

They think they are set up the same but they aren't. Skill issue

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now I am reporting you to local authorities. Policemen will take care of this.

[ivory condor]

And to make it worse the game basically tells you nothing about any of it, instead its "trial by fire"

[mortal ginkgo]

You mean the same blueprint that works for one Reactor and not for another Reactor is a skill issue?

[frail sleet]

There are several bugs that are very difficult to identify, which people run into by accident.

One of them for example; if you have a vertical junction, it calculates the heights of the pipe connections wrong which prioritises or locks out certain connections erroneously. That behavior changes radically when you rotate the junction by 90 degrees, even though it's visually almost identical.

That means that people who have junctions that aren't flat on the height axis are essentially rolling the dice for which behavior they are going to get, and if it's going to work or not.

[coral glacier]

If they did, FICSIT would've already found a suitable automated replacement for the Pioneers.

[mortal ginkgo]

Also I got a Fluid Buffer system and got valves on both entrances, no sloshing issues and I am happy with the buffer. We need to make a run for it!

[shy mulch]

They have water extractors in a blueprint? How do they do that?

[coral glacier]

seeeeeee?

[reef basin]

that behavior changes radically when you rotate the junction by 90 degrees, even though it's visually almost identical.
which axis of rotation are we talking about?

[mortal ginkgo]

Pipes can be blueprinted and all you need to do is put 2 water extractors?

Brother, what are you trying to defend here?

[ivory condor]

Try to make this make sense to me because I have experienced this to

[mortal ginkgo]

Skill issue, obviously.

[ivory condor]

Makes sense

[shy mulch]

Almost identical isn't identical

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't get it. Are some people paid to defend the fluid shenanigans and tell around "skill issue"?

I don't see any other reason.

Can I get paid to defend fluid systems too if so?

[void gorge]

That would be me

[frail sleet]

It's obviously intended to behave the same way with or without a 90 degree rotation, but it doesn't because of a math error.

[mortal ginkgo]

Oh no, I spawned a Community Manager!

[shy mulch]

Maybe, but it's known and understood. Work with what we have.

[coral glacier]

I'm not worrying about the fluid dynamics of the pipe system 'cuz i got factories to build

[frail sleet]

It's understood as of a week ago because somebody got so mad about it that they decompiled the game (and understandably so)

[void gorge]

Don't flatter yourself, I heard the typing all the way from the kitchen half an hour ago

[true mulch]

Mikael, in all seriousness, it would be great to have the problems of the fluid system acknowledged somehow

[shy mulch]

Then why have all my pipes worked correctly since I started playing the game?

[void gorge]

Yeah I'm getting those vibes

[coral glacier]

Hello Mkikael, how's business

[void gorge]

@obsidian zodiac How's that for a video idea

[green fiber]

Reminder now among all this fluid stuff that this exists:
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68b22be2dbe2e46a549b0664

The problem IS fixable for the most part in the current system

[shy mulch]

If fluids get "fixed" I'm going to start a campaign to break them again 😄

[void gorge]

Wrapping up shennanigans before Japan!

[frail sleet]

Chat with McGalleon and eternalUnion plz ❤️

[coral glacier]

Oooo fun, don't forget to "Ping" for your nearest deposit.

[shy mulch]

I'm going to watch the world burn and nobody can put the fire out because nobody can get their water pipes to work

[void gorge]

[green fiber]

Dynamic Pressure is the prime thing i blame for all fluid issues with higher flow rates

[reef basin]

when are you getting third 1st-gen starter into the team? 😛

[coral glacier]

I'm planning to build an average plutonium plant farm, would you be interested in seeing the results in 2000 years?

[solid storm]

Seems almost quicker to make some things in the crafter. Modular Frames and Reinforced Iron Plates take SO long the normal way.

[frail sleet]

You're allowed and encouraged to produce with multiple machines simultaneously. There can be 10 or 100 or 1000 of them, and there's only 1 of you. You cannot keep up (:

[mortal ginkgo]

It is so that to make you go bigger factories.

And yes, don't ask my why some silly Modular Frame takes an advanced machine to make 2 PER MIN.

Like brother, its just bars and bolts. Whats taking so long?

[void gorge]

👀

[sterile blade]

If only we had MK2 assemblers

[coral glacier]

Josh (LGIO): Bane of the Sloosh

[reef basin]

also bulbasaur best starter 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

power shards hello

only to make 5/min modular frames

WOAH INSANE PROGRESS OF THE CENTURY

[void gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-ew-confused-girl-wtf-gif-12886688

[coral glacier]

Snutt when LGIO makes another Satisfactory Video:

[reef basin]

it beats first few gyms easily, charmander has tons of issues with first and second gym and squirtle is meh for 2nd gym

[void gorge]

Breh just catch a Nidoran

[shy mulch]

would it be better if his pipe issues were fixed?

[void gorge]

Also they're nuts for giving Charmander Metal Claw in FRLG

Tears right through Brock

[reef basin]

yeah metal claw is great 🙂 but that's gen 3 and I asked for gen 1 😄

[solid storm]

The problem with bigger factories, at least for now, is the resource nodes....two machines split resources from the node.....three machines split it even futher.....and so on.

[reef basin]

normal pokemon are too normal to catch

[void gorge]

herpa derpa potato potato tomato tomato

[sterile blade]

Bigger factories want bigger more nodes ^^

[mortal ginkgo]

get more nodes, expand with long belts / trains / tractors etc.

also early game you barely need like... 6/min module frames

[green fiber]

Err.... Hard to define really

Turn a junction vertical, then rotate it around the X axis again or something. So basically shift the position of all connectors one iver without getting the junctiom out of vertical alignment

[solid storm]

currently trying to get those 2500 versatile framework for lv 7

[reef basin]

so, the axis is perpendicular to the plane of the junction?

[solid storm]

Hence why I said, for now anyways.

[coral glacier]

I am impressed at all the little fixes and overall development the developers for this game have made over the past half decade. :)

[ivory condor]

What happens when you want to run a navier stoke simulated pipes. Should have went with a simpler implementation but its to late now

[limpid cairn]

they get paid for it

[coral glacier]

True, but there Has been a Lot of behind the scenes modification and improvement to the game.

[true mulch]

when the devs actually care about the game they're making (indie) rather than just make slop (AAA)

[ivory condor]

Poor game has to run all of those differential equations, its a miracle any of this works at all

[limpid cairn]

AAA games lowkey fell off tho

[green fiber]

That axis, yes

[limpid cairn]

like im not even expecting anything good anymore if the game is going to be a AAA game

[coral glacier]

I'm curious, do power wires have load limits?

[true mulch]

been the case for 10+ years

[limpid cairn]

no

[green fiber]

Bernoulli*

[dense violet]

I wish I could remember the name of the game but some dumb ass dev group claimed they were gunning for the first quadruple A game title by dumping enough money to end world hunger into something.

[coral glacier]

Oh boy >:)

[void gorge]

"Lowkey", bro I heard the car crash from a continent away

[dense violet]

It probably got axed and or will suck terribly

[true mulch]

Ubisoft, that piracy game

[fluid sapphire]

quadruple A sounds like something ubisoft would say

[true mulch]

of course if was Ubisoft

[dense violet]

probably. Sounds about right

[hardy thistle]

Hi guys, I added the blueprints to the folder and they are not appearing in the game, do you know how I can solve this? Thanks

[dense violet]

its probably as bland as just about everything else of theirs

[void gorge]

Sea of Thieves wasn't it? I stand corrected

Or some pirate game or the other

[true mulch]

Skull and Bones

[void gorge]

That's the one

Tyty

[true mulch]

Sea of Thieves is from Microsoft and actually decent

[dense violet]

something piraty sounded about right. If it was ubisoft it probably vacated my brain as soon as I stopped looking

[ivory condor]

Maybe the game runs both navier stoke and bernoulli equations🤯

[limpid cairn]

agreed, besides that theres like 15 bugs that prevent you from loading into the game

[honest osprey]

Quick question, do devs or community talked anything about roads that can be placed like pipes or conveyors?

[brittle grove]

Which world do you guys recommend i start in

[true mulch]

one world, different starting spots

pick any you like based on the description

[ivory condor]

I wish the game had multiple worlds

[reef basin]

there's only one world

and all the starting locations are fine, if you don't know, flip a coin 🙂

[brittle grove]

ohhhh alright thanks didn't know that

[ivory condor]

Snow world when?

[limpid cairn]

theres roads implemented into the game theyre just super hidden,

[limpid cairn]

rocky desert is the best biome to start in iirc

[ivory condor]

Isnt northern forest best to start with, due to having so much to burn?

[reef basin]

well "best" for you, not necessarily for everyone

[ivory condor]

Guess it's relative hmmm

[pastel carbon]

I feel like biomass isn't an issue in any starting location

[limpid cairn]

you dont really have trouble burning biofuel in any biome...

[pastel carbon]

It's probably the least of my concerns when picking a starting location

[limpid cairn]

i had no problems in the desert and you get 1 grass per plant there

[ivory condor]

Thats true dune desert seems to be a easy biome to

[pastel carbon]

The thing I find funniest about the starts is that the grassy fields is somehow drier than the dune desert, which is a literal desert lol

[limpid cairn]

💀

[ivory condor]

You dont?