satisfactory

[hard ivy]

depends how you make the TF. but it's always more. just could be a little or a lot

[smoky forge]

no in general, the recepie itselfe

not including the other inputs

[hard ivy]

default RF takes turbofuel

[next pike]

I won the exam

[hard ivy]

so the oil cost entirely depends on the TF recipe

[smoky forge]

what TF will you get with the best recepies possible

with the least amount oif oil in priority

[shy mulch]

@cedar socket you can put the stuff wherever you want, if your transport network is good enough you can place things anywhere and just bring the stuff to where you need it

[hard ivy]

then default TF for everything. it costs 648 oil for 2400 RF

[cedar socket]

alr tysm u rly helped

[smoky forge]

but thats more?

[shy mulch]

I should do a video tour of my factories some time. But I want to wait until it's all "finished", whatever that means lol

[hard ivy]

I said it's more

[next pike]

Anyways I need help with coal generators, I have a single mk1 miner generating 120 coal/minute, mk2 conveyors all the way from there to my base where I split it into four inputs for four coal generators. (three of them are overclocked once, and one of them is overclocked twice)
But the generators keep shutting down a second before they get their coal

[smoky forge]

ah alr. so nitro is good

[shrewd palm]

underclock a little bit, they're not getting enough coal

[hard ivy]

in terms of oil efficiency yes. but otherwise default RF is better

[shrewd palm]

also its generally a good idea to fill up manifolds before letting them run

[modest nest]

Each coal gen uses 15 a minute base, just feed 120 coal into 8 gens

[shy mulch]

How much coal does each generator need per minute?

[smoky forge]

yeah i normaly only care about starter to product efficiency

[next pike]

But they should be getting enough. The input is 120/minute, the combined input of the generators is 97.5/minute. It's not a water problem btw

[hard ivy]

rocket fuel takes other ingredients too, you know. not just oil

[river furnace]

The oil saving path uses a very large amount of Sulphur though

[smoky forge]

ik, i just said i only care about one input

[smoky forge]

ye ik, worth it imo

[next pike]

97.5 combined

[next pike]

Huh why

[modest nest]

Because 120/15 is 8

[smoky forge]

one generator only needs 15 on 100% clock speed

[shy mulch]

how? normal should be 15, where are you getting these numbers from

[modest nest]

He's got them over locked at different speeds

Some have 1 shard others have 2

[hard ivy]

15*2.5 is 37.5

[modest nest]

Just rebuild, use 8 coal gens, and manifold out the 120 into 8 gens

[shy mulch]

can't overclock it to use any more than 37.5 though

[next pike]

Wouldnt it complicate water if I use 8 generators?

[modest nest]

He answered for total coal usage between all gens

[modest nest]

Feed 2 water extractors into 4 coal gens

Unlock to 75% on all water extractors

[hard ivy]

why? the perferct ratio is 3:8

[modest nest]

Makes it easy

[shy mulch]

you're already complicating it, just put 4 water extractors and let each one feed 2 coal gens
you can do 8 coal gens with 3 water extractors but its a tiny bit more complicated and it sounds like youre over your head already, so do it this way to keep it simple

[smoky forge]

3 to 8 is just perfect

[reef basin]

3:8 is easy tho?

[modest nest]

Not with mk1 pipes

[reef basin]

yes with mk1 pipes

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[hard ivy]

works just fine with mk1s

[shy mulch]

it requires understanding 1 more thing compared to 4:8, people who are already struggling with just getting the coal to split properly don't need that extra effort added on

[next pike]

I'm not over my head it just doesn't make sense that 97.5/minute combined usage doesn't work with 120/minute inpuf

[reef basin]

4:8 requires understanding clock speed, which is also 1 more thing

(and requires having underclocking)

[shy mulch]

show some screenshots of your setup so we can understand what you're doing a bit clearer

[olive condor]

Is there a way to prevent the game from trying to upload the jet pack or hoverpack to the TARDIS-Depot?

[hard ivy]

don't put it in there?

[shy mulch]

zero clocking required, 1 water extractor produces 120 water, 2 coal gens require total of 90, hook them up and leave it, water extractor will naturally run at 75% efficiency once the pipes and buffers are all full

[olive condor]

The game puts it in there when I try to change from one another.

[scenic mirage]

how can i balance 3 mark 4 conveyors into 2 mark 5 conveyors

[reef basin]

that needs more electricity and doesn't teach ratios

[hard ivy]

a 3:2 balancer

[wicked nacelle]

find a different way to change them

[scenic mirage]

well i mean yeah but how do they work 😭

[next pike]

Where can I upload?

[shy mulch]

correct, but it will work and requires less understanding

[shy mulch]

#screenshots

[reef basin]

why not teach proper methods when already teaching tho?

[hard ivy]

https://i.imgur.com/6AWlxAB.png

[olive condor]

Yeah, great idea. Good buy in-flight change.

[river furnace]

2 mergers on the mk5, 3 splitters, on mk4. Each splitter goes to both mergers

[shy mulch]

I agree it's annoying, I leave 5 things in my uploader that are already full so there's no space for the jetpack when I press the number

[scenic mirage]

tysm

[hard ivy]

oh wait that's a 2:3

[scenic mirage]

wait no

ya i just realized

[shy mulch]

same reason my primary school teacher taught me the square root of 4 is 2, and never told me it can also be -2

[hard ivy]

https://i.imgur.com/RIP5k54.png

[warped peak]

Why can't powershard be shredded if it's automatable?

[scenic mirage]

ty ty

[next pike]

Sent

[olive condor]

Yes, so did I. But it trys to put it in there anyway. Had near fatal landing because of this. 😆

[shy mulch]

new players would sink them by accident then get annoyed

[reef basin]

but 2 is a proper solution

it's like if you said "you can assume it's somewhere between 1 and 3, don't mind the inaccuracies"

[wary perch]

You should be able to have ground up power shards in your coffee cup

[next pike]

True

[modest nest]

I agree

[peak wasp]

Morning. Pioneers

[warped peak]

What?

[shy mulch]

seems fine from that angle, are you making sure there's a bunch of coal in the buffer before you turn it on? usually saves this kind of stuff

[olive condor]

Grinded powershard in the coffee make the real wake up effect, don't they. 🙂

[cold copper]

what's the chance of getting nuclear waste from a lizard doggo?

[next pike]

You mean to prevent accidental stops from getting me stuck? I had one, but I removed it since I thought it was messing this up

[next pike]

Are the splitters slowing it down or something?

[wary perch]

Also hot chocolate and eggnog and dark matter and

[hard ivy]

why do so many people blame splitters or mergers? they have no speed limits

[shrewd palm]

yes ada, the bean had to die

[clever merlin]

i never though there be caves big enough for train stations

[gray ferry]

how much coal per min do u need per coal gen?

[silk ocean]

45 i think

[clever merlin]

finaly i got my uraium track completed

[modest nest]

15

[silk ocean]

Everytime someone asks that I produce a different number and it's always wrong lol

[modest nest]

it maxes out at 39. something at 250% overclock

[silk ocean]

I'm just a derpbrain

and also game not running atm xD

[modest nest]

Its all good, if you're far in the game or not using them no point remembering

I just recently restarted so

[silk ocean]

It is a fairly distant memory yea xD

You're being overly generous 😄

[modest nest]

No reason not to be, Im sure you've got other random information memorized

[silk ocean]

No doubt xD

[clever merlin]

is ther a command to kill youself

[modest nest]

Esc > respawn

[clever merlin]

TY

the train stations dont get power though the rail correct

[modest nest]

They should, as long as atleast one station on the rail network is connected to your main power grid

[silk ocean]

They can provide power elsewhere

[clever merlin]

oh

[hard ivy]

rails don't have a transfer limit. you just need one station connected to power

[clever merlin]

well that make it easyer

[modest nest]

less power polls in your world too

[clever merlin]

so i still have to have the power lines then

[modest nest]

no

the tracks will transfer power between stations

[clever merlin]

oh i dumb sorry

nice

[modest nest]

all good

[clever merlin]

sweet that does make it so much easer

[modest nest]

yessir

[silk ocean]

If you're building a wide area network of rail best to have at least a few stations connected to the grid incase one gets cut by mistake

[clever merlin]

true

now i just need the train

[modest nest]

choo choo

[clever merlin]

i have a working nuclear reactor

[modest nest]

nicee

[clever merlin]

choo choo mf lol

[silk ocean]

At least that's the easy part generally speaking xD

[clever merlin]

true

i gotten all the rest of it i just think i have to deal with waste management next

i saving it up for next phase so i can repupose it

[modest nest]

you can repurpose nuclear waste?

[clever merlin]

yep into plutoium

[silk ocean]

It's a little bit involved but not too hard if you want to sink the uranium otherwise yea, repurpose to plutonium but I think you're stuck with it

[modest nest]

huh thats cool

[white dawn]

You can convert Uranium Waste into Plutonium Fuel Rods (via a few steps). You can then either sink those Pu Rods (for "clean" nuclear), or burn them as well (for even more power!). If you burn the Pu Rods, you're left with Plutonium Waste

[clever merlin]

yep excatly apocalytec

that wat i going for

might be a bit emore then i want though i not sure yet

i might just end up sink them in the end lol

[white dawn]

Once you have Plutonium Waste, you either store that forever (not a big deal generally, especially since Pu Waste accumulates so slowly), or convert it to Ficsonium Fuel Rods (via a few more steps). You can burn those without generating more waste, so that's another "clean" option

[unreal sand]

Or throw lizard doggos off a cliff

[white dawn]

Or flush 'em one by one in the toilet!

[hard ivy]

you can also nuke them

[unreal sand]

True

[modest nest]

huh, burn the urnaium, burn the plutonium, burn the ficsonium

[unreal sand]

Wait what there’s nukes?

[modest nest]

sounds like a very profitable pyramid scheme

[clever merlin]

so at some piont you have no wate at all nice

[hard ivy]

not very profitable unfortunately

[modest nest]

aw

[silk ocean]

Fisconium seems the best choice, all the other options require a slave to be recruited to do the work (that's you!) xD

[hard ivy]

you can sink the plutonium rods too

[silk ocean]

Oh I didn't know that, I should upgrade my plant

[white dawn]

Heh, many would disagree about "best." :D Ficsonium's only sensible if you care about both of: 1) Burning Plutonium, + 2) "Clean" nuclear

If you don't care about burning plutonium, or don't care about "clean" nuclear, then Ficsonium's a hard sell

[shrewd palm]

just sinking the plutonium is a lot better

[white dawn]

It's not hard really but it is exceptionally SAM-heavy

[silk ocean]

True, I do kinda like the idea of clean nuclear

[hard ivy]

waste storage isn't hard at all but it does feel a bit janky

[silk ocean]

Current plant is "clean" Uranium but I think an upgrade is in order tomorrow

[hard ivy]

especially if you're putting it 2km up in the sky so you can completely eliminate the radiation it generates

[silk ocean]

I just don't like the idea that eventually the plant will fall over

Kinda like it to run forever, especially with a server that always runs xD

[white dawn]

Honestly even putting it up in the sky will be overkill for most folks. Just shoving it offshore a ways is likely to be entirely sufficient

[hard ivy]

well, you can easily make that "eventually" 5000h

unless you're on a dedi server that runs 24/7 waste storage is really not an issue

[silk ocean]

It's a LAN server but it does run 24/7 yep

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, if you do have it configured to stay running even when nobody's connected, waste storage probably feels a lot less viable. :P

[silk ocean]

Yea even 5000h is not going to take too long to get full, it has almost done 2000h since I started

[hard ivy]

yeah, a year is nearly 9000 hours, so if it's a save you plan on using for a while longer after completing the nuke plant, it's a lot of containers

[silk ocean]

Yep, I've been on this save for a good couple of months so far

[white dawn]

So yeah, sink the Pu Rods or process to Ficsonium, then. :)

[silk ocean]

Well, almost 3 as far as the server goes

[white dawn]

If you do sink the rods, keep in mind that they make a real great drone fuel, so long as you don't mind irradiating some of your drone sites

[silk ocean]

Oh that's a good idea too

I guess I don't mind that

[modest nest]

also good truck fuel

[silk ocean]

but....trucks XD

[modest nest]

yeah

[white dawn]

Arguably a less-good fuel for trucks/tractors (compared to drones, anyway). They don't get a speed boost like drones do, and AFAIK the drones themselves aren't radioactive since they just consume the rods immediately

Though they'd at least benefit from the extreme longevity

[silk ocean]

Just the drone ports themselves I guess

[modest nest]

I was kinda just talking about how long they last

[silk ocean]

I imagine a long distance? xD

[modest nest]

yeah

[silk ocean]

Plus the speed boost

[modest nest]

for trucks

no speed boost

[silk ocean]

Oh trucks, my bad, thought drones

[modest nest]

but it lasts an actual age

way better for drones though

[silk ocean]

I might use it for a droneport at the nuclear plant to import additional stuff

[hard ivy]

1 Pu rod lasts nearly 8h in a truck lol

[silk ocean]

lol

[modest nest]

yup

[silk ocean]

Can a drone go cross-world and back on one?

[clever merlin]

my train just randomly disspeared

[silk ocean]

Uh oh.. any ideas why?

[clever merlin]

well it there but none of it showing up on map even though i have it enabled

[silk ocean]

If you go into it and Q does it show an error?

[shy mulch]

It's been eaten by the Train Gobbler of Doom

[clever merlin]

SCONFUSED Q IS MY BUILDER

[silk ocean]

Have to go into the train first E key

[clever merlin]

ahh yea i checking it now sorry for the caps

didnt relize i had it on

[silk ocean]

np

[clever merlin]

Trucks turn into a standing parking lot sigh

if it not one problem it another lol

[silk ocean]

Although tbf normally if a train has an error it's on the map with an exclamation mark I seem to recall

[clever merlin]

it was a could not get to train station

[silk ocean]

Ah like no route to station

Are you using signals?

[wild plume]

Is underwater outside the "water boundary" valid building space?

Or does it behave weirdly

[silk ocean]

I've never built underwater :/

[clever merlin]

I build a lot of my base on water though if you put your foundation just barely udner water dont destory anything it could put the destruction chest anywhere

[wild plume]

Outside of some area, you can build and fly underwater without swimming

[clever merlin]

i had issue where the chest wont end up on my foundation but somwehrere miles away on the beach lol

interesting

i know somone was talking about a void base

i guessing that also wat your talinga bout as well

[wild plume]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1409209513420001360/image.png?ex=68addda1&is=68ac8c21&hm=8415d6a9984a2520ef93ab490f176d67e0a77c2a3b7186cf8ae97e48aaed98ce&

It's how I took that screenshot

[clever merlin]

is that under the world or above it

[wild plume]

The thing at the top is water

[clever merlin]

oh

[wild plume]

Past some point, there's no swimming

[clever merlin]

ok i gotcha

[wild plume]

You just fly around

Although funny thing, we needed water, but the void water isn't actually water you can put an extractor on

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1409604374224699544/image.png?ex=68adfbdf&is=68acaa5f&hm=c9a24b3bbc4f8b895a4946970b481eca4e217be60c9d39dc7aab6d372e97974f&

[clever merlin]

neat

[wild plume]

That's why we needed the huge arm off it

[clever merlin]

yea i show you a picture of my base one sec

i sorta the same

#screenshots

I seen quite a number of people building in water areas

i think the wter fall areas are so beatiful to build in tbh

though i do feel like building in water is a bit glichy

oh zed ya i do have sights but i dont have any other trains on that track

the werid thing is if it found it path to the uranium why would nit not find it back

even at that it wotn see any other station so it not just that station

[wicked nacelle]

if that station isn't in the timetable then it's not on the same track. if it is but it can't get there then it's either signals or the direction of the station

[clever merlin]

i thinking maybe it the 2nd engine

i i might put it backwards

[wicked nacelle]

if you have a two way train you need an engine on each end facing away from each other

but it should still show the station in the edit timetable menu

[clever merlin]

yea that wat i have i think the other one might be bacwards so it wont go in the other direction

it does show

[wicked nacelle]

signals can be backwards too but it should tell you in the timetable display why it can't get there

"stop unreachable" or "signals making stop unreachable"

[clever merlin]

yep it was the 2nd engine it was backwards lol

[remote plank]

was it intentional that you are able to bhop with sliding and jumping?

[warm phoenix]

Maybe

If it was a bug it'd be fixed long ago

[wicked nacelle]

or it "became a feature" 🙂

[cinder jay]

what does the production amplifier do??

[hard ivy]

amplifies production 🙃

you want it

like most things in the MAM

[cinder jay]

or do i save the summersloop for the alien power augmenter?

[atomic notch]

Idc what you sloop dawg

[cinder jay]

which one helps more

[atomic notch]

They help in different ways

Depends on what you need

[remote plank]

dont see why it would be a thing not patched though since it gets rid of the need for transportation because you will always bhop faster

[atomic notch]

Idk i think hypertube cannon will always be faster

[spare furnace]

How do people view there map and it shows your conveyors and trains

Isn’t it like a website or something

[atomic notch]

Yeah

[spare furnace]

Mkay what’s the website?

[unkempt blade]

It's even faster with blade runners equipped! And it makes the jetpack go brrrrr if you need to cross a big canyon. It compliments other stuff it doesn't replace it 😄

[atomic notch]

Idk

[spare furnace]

Get dis guy outta here

[remote plank]

with convenience bhopping is faster since you have to actually go to the entrance instead of going forward

[atomic notch]

Unless ur goin to the other side of the map

[remote plank]

yea ive been using both recently and it seems like ill never need a tractor or anything to really get me anywhere

[unkempt blade]

you haven't seen hypertube boosters yet I take it

[remote plank]

nope

just researched locomotives

[atomic notch]

Its scim

[remote plank]

can someone tell me a real reason for trains i dont see why i would actually need to use them

[unkempt blade]

I think at least part of the problem is you're conflating vehicles that are mostly used for automated logistics stuff with move speed boosters

[sullen gull]

How to use conveyor floor holes when arranging machines on curved foundations in case anyone needs: #screenshots message

[atomic notch]

Trains bc trains like wat

[unkempt blade]

they move lots of stuff and make lots of fun

[warm phoenix]

Not really
you still use trucks and trains for item transportation

[remote plank]

but like for coal i just have a really long conveyor and it backs up always so it's constant flow of coal

[atomic notch]

Yeah

[unkempt blade]

if that's fun for you go forth and ignore vehicles then, it's a sandbox 😄

[atomic notch]

But train can do like 4 conveyors

[remote plank]

i want to know what ways people use trains for automation

[fluid sapphire]

Rail has nearly infinite potential for throughput compared to conveyors

[remote plank]

can you explain

[warm phoenix]

You can also use multiple cars
dunno why you'd need that much coals but its an option

[unkempt blade]

yeah you can figure out how many cars you need based on route distance and number of trains you're using

[fluid sapphire]

multiple trains can share the same rail, a single train can carry lots and lots of cars

[unkempt blade]

plus they're fun, that's the most important part

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[warm phoenix]

Even one cargo train can carry whole lot

[sullen gull]

For starters, you don't need to run miles of power poles/line between fatories. The rail carries the power between. Second, potenetially "cleaner" than a wall of belts going across the map. Third, greatly helps with uobject count if you have massive factories all over the map. And there are many more 'reasons'

[atomic notch]

Pretty much same way theyre used irl just bringin resources from far away

[warm phoenix]

I didn't know that rail double as powerline

[unkempt blade]

at the cost of power, which by the time you're scaling up power the train cost isn't super difficult

[loud lantern]

I love trains

[warm phoenix]

I have like 15 coal gen powering the entire world

[sullen gull]

Personally though, I've still only ever done end to end style rail setups. At some point I either want to make my own or use Hornslet's (I think that's their name) world train setup.

[warm phoenix]

I wanna work katerium or whatever research its called but im still "renovating" my base and im too busy 😔

[unkempt blade]

I've had fun with doing a double track with trains going in both directions on a global scale but the intersections can sometimes get complicated depending on how you like to build them

[sullen gull]

Yeah, that's been my assumption. From comments in here and reddit.

[unkempt blade]

it's fun to figure out as traffic increases from more trains

[clever merlin]

your right the big part is not kiling yourself over and over with uranium lol

[topaz shale]

After seeing a much better rail blueprint system, I may rebuild my only rail line that I have and replace it with the better one. SCIM is very nice for removing this kind of stuff.

[atomic notch]

This is the only way ill ever do it. Train networks are kinda dumb imo. Why send all ur trains down the same rails when each can have their own?

[sullen gull]

Look up Hornslets world train system on SCIM under Mega prints I think. Then tell me trains are dumb lol

[topaz shale]

Upon thinking, I'll probably just leave the only rail network thing that I have since it is only just a service line to go to and from my 2 bases.

[atomic notch]

Whats special about it?

[sullen gull]

Hornslet 1.0 Global Rail Network is what it's called.

[topaz shale]

It's a pretty cool megaprint, if the pieces that I have seen when trying to use the community blueprint import mod.

[sullen gull]

Just a perfect example of a VERY well setup rail network across the entire map

[atomic notch]

Oh

[sullen gull]

As well as the additions to it like the mass storage/drone port, train dock, and a few others.

[atomic notch]

Ill have to look into it more when i get home

I still think train networks are dumb tho

[white dawn]

The biggest benefit of rail networks is the near-infinite throughput expandability of rails

[sullen gull]

And to be fair, I am not totally advocating just downloading and using someone's else's creations aside from learning on one's own btw.

[topaz shale]

It all depends on what you need trains for. Could totally play the whole game without touching one. They act like very high throughput belts so definitely best to think of them as such for when you need to use one.

[white dawn]

Lay one section of rails and it can end up handling a staggering amount of throughput as you add more and more trains over the network

[sullen gull]

To each their own.

[white dawn]

And trains excel at high-throughput transfer needs, too, at scales which become prohibitive with other logistics methods

There's nothing wrong with doing "isolated" point-to-point trains as well, of course

But if you do take advantage of having connected rails and multiple trains on your network, you get more and more benefit from your rails the more it's used

[proud bough]

yes the idea is if your having throughput issues with trains your not using enough trains

i still love ada's line when you unlock them

[clever merlin]

choo choo mf

the funny part is the orginal youtube creator who said that was playing satisfactory they put it in just for him

he went nuts hearing it

[white dawn]

As with all the other logistics options, they do have a learning curve, of course. And especially if you want your rails to look good, it's a nontrivial amount of effort. But still, many would say they're quite worth it. :)

[sullen gull]

That's the only reason I want to use Hornslet's... I could never make it look 'that' good 🤣

[clever merlin]

does items become radated to the point of keeping that charge or no

[sullen gull]

The only things that 'stay' irradiated is anything with radioactive material in them at the time.

uranium, encase fuel cells, plutonium, etc.

[clever merlin]

gotcha ok i thoguh that how it worked 🙂 wish they had lead based storage lol

[white dawn]

Fortunately I've got lower standards for my own stuff than Hornslet has for his public builds. :D

[burnt ferry]

wish they had lead.... and heat.. and then lead things melt earlier than other metals..

i guess i should play oxygen not included again

[violet wave]

or falling sand

[burnt ferry]

no

[clever merlin]

i so failed at oxgen not inclueded

[noble topaz]

#screenshots message can i fix this without having to move all of that, again

[clever merlin]

i love the game just coudl not win to save my life i guess there was so much i missed on understanding for it

[burnt ferry]

best game.. i jus cant start it anymore because one of my 130 mods is incompatible

[clever merlin]

aww 🙁

yea i got the game i love it so much it was a relaxing game for me

i think everthing that has to do with sruval tex stuff i ontop of

factorio satisfactory oxgen not included

[violet wave]

i've never played as my hatred for Don't Starve has kept me away from it

[clever merlin]

why

[burnt ferry]

you want to have a +10 researcher who isnt allowed to do anything but research.. then you will have your very basic setup by the end of cycle one... including plants, dining hall and everything

[clever merlin]

i do get it furstating

[sullen gull]

My new favoured way of laying miners on foudations: #screenshots message

[topaz shale]

I have too much to do in Factorio to play anything other than this game and Factorio.

[clever merlin]

i played it a couple times man i was so close

[violet wave]

I don't consider don't starve frustrating, just horrendously boring

[clever merlin]

i look into that agin ochibi and see if i can go another go with it

[bronze dagger]

these 1k versatile framework dont come quick huh

[clever merlin]

yea it kind of is boring tbh white

[burnt ferry]

theyre comparably simple

[clever merlin]

no vertile frame work are slow

[bronze dagger]

which terifies me bc it took me like 2 days to get this setup and its producing like 100 every 30 mins

[topaz shale]

They will get made eventually. Work on other stuff while it fills up.

[burnt ferry]

you dont really need many more though

like the time spent significantly improving that amount could already be long enough to complete the 1000.. youll need more for the next phase but theres lso more to do then

[clever merlin]

that moment when you wish you kind of put your reactor a bit further away form your base lol

[static oar]

When you suddenly see your third leg growing

[unkempt blade]

just make a couple stacks of filters and a rad suit, they last for ages

[burnt ferry]

thats when there is a reaction next to my base not when the reactor is close at my base

[static oar]

Couldn't it be both?
You could be both excited and radiated

[burnt ferry]

but then its 4 legs?

or 5 even

[atomic notch]

im not shitting on hornslet either every mapwide rail network takes lots of effort to build.

[atomic notch]

ik i got like 20 but they all run on their own rail

[burnt ferry]

trains are not high throughput belts.. the significant difference is that one material will not block transport of another material, even if transported on the same rail

[atomic notch]

lol theyre def high throughput but not belts logically

[burnt ferry]

in fact the throughput is still limited by two times conveyor belt speed becaues you cant do anyting with mats just sitting in a station.. what they rather are are buffered belts with separate material lanes

[atomic notch]

ik but you can stick a bunch of staitons on one car

[burnt ferry]

yes thats wshen you combine several material lanes to one

which you then still need two belts per station to transport

[atomic notch]

well yeah butthe two bellts dont follo the track do they?

[burnt ferry]

i think of each station as a material slot for this one belt.. which i can extend by extending the train

[vale grotto]

Trains are the best for one reason and one reason only: because I like them the most 😎

[burnt ferry]

no they dont.. im just saying this because the speed of those will be the limit of the throughput

[vale grotto]

This game is a train game and the factory exists as a reason to build more trains

[burnt ferry]

multiplied by the amount of material slots (stations) you dedicate for one material

[atomic notch]

yeah dude i dont do anything crazy with trains its just bringing one resource somewhere else

[burnt ferry]

looking at trains the way I do enables me to make better use of trains because i'm not just looking at replacing one belt by a railway but to actually separate production amounts and dont worry about overproduction

[atomic notch]

wait do you do sushi belts?

[burnt ferry]

anf of course the aspect to combine productions with lower magnitude into one delivery of high magnitude

(without the risk of blockage)

[burnt ferry]

only if i can 100% guarantee that: a) total throughput of all mats is < belt speed and b) all mats will be consumed no matter what... if only the consumption of one material is stuck, the entire sushi belt will be halted

(which is the exact thing you can avoid using transportation with trains/trucks/drones)

[hybrid nymph]

I am in class right now, I will be on in about 4 hours

[burnt ferry]

(of course there is the option to sink material that isnt consumed properly.. i do that witha plastic/rubber sushi belt.. )

[worldly cove]

this game is SO fun to learn how to optimize... even tho it is hard

[burnt ferry]

you dont have to go crazy.. just transporting one maerial has the effects im talking about. it is a buffered transport and the train you are using for it wont be blocked by that one material being overproduced, hence you always have the option to add a second material in a sushi style way without introducing the downsides of the sushi belts

[cinder jay]

how do you tell if you can blow it up with the noblek

[burnt ferry]

throw nob.... detonate

[cinder jay]

ok

[atomic notch]

well i dont use sushi belts so none of my stuff is designed to accommodate them

[burnt ferry]

the game can have weird physics when rocks lay ont op of each other @cinder jay ... so give it a second attempt if youre sure it is nobeliskable

[atomic notch]

if i did that is what i would do or at least close

[worldly cove]

man the water physics is a tad bit hard to learn

[burnt ferry]

youre right to do so... sushi belts are doomed to fail unless you run a perfect facility

[worldly cove]

i know about viscosity, flow, pressure, but it just don't make sense sometimes...or is it just me

[burnt ferry]

first of all: theres no pressure 😂 theres only 'headlift' which is a similar concept

viscosity cold in fact play a role.. as we have noticed strange behavior with heavy oil residue

[atomic notch]

theres preessure lmao

theres pressure on belts too

[burnt ferry]

how?

[atomic notch]

how full it is

[burnt ferry]

we dont know the area of a pipe

thats not pressure thats throughput

pressure is force per area

[worldly cove]

i guess let me do a picture to say if it is a bug (most likley not) or is it me

[burnt ferry]

so we need the area of the pipes circle and the force at which the liquid is pumped iwth

we dont have neither.. we only have headlift

[atomic notch]

nah its still pressure bc there the force of stuff goin into the pipe which is the area

[burnt ferry]

one debugging trick is to put a pump at the heighto f your liquid outputs and power it.. its configuration screen will tell you the headlift

[burnt ferry]

i see how you understand it like pressure but physically its not.. so you cant apply knowledge you have from physics about pressure in the game... which was the context i made that statement

because sair said they know about pressure and i just said welll you cant apply that knowledge in the game because there is no pressure

[noble topaz]

do trains hate me?

[worldly cove]

if you live in japan, no, if you live in new york, yes

[noble topaz]

i jsut got trains, and for some reason it keeps saying both stations are unreachable

[unkempt blade]

they love you and they want to share their joy with you

[burnt ferry]

try and flip them.. you need to approach stations in the direction that orange arrow shows

[noble topaz]

#screenshots message
i dont think so

[burnt ferry]

so if your train goes south to north when driving into the station, the arrow must face north

[worldly cove]

ooh i cant post photos here right?

[burnt ferry]

you can inn #screenshots

[unkempt blade]

they love you they just want you to live up to your potential and build stations/tracks in the correct orientation

[noble topaz]

ok it was this, thanks

[worldly cove]

ok i posted one there

[burnt ferry]

copy its message link here to have a reference

[worldly cove]

so, you see i have two water extractor that is supposedly capable of doing 240mcube, but for some reason, the rightmost (closest to me) 4 coal plants are not getting steady flow. i have 1 pump after the two extractor junction

#screenshots message

[white dawn]

For questions which require (or are just helped out by) screenshots, #1038092680493801533 is a much better place, btw. Can inline 'em right in with the chat, and your question won't get lost in the general chatter here

[burnt ferry]

you need to account for the consumers height a bit when it comes to headlift

[white dawn]

(can continue in here too, of course, but for the future, keep it in mind. :)

[burnt ferry]

do what i said before: put a pump right after the extractors (same height as their outputs) and power it... then it will tell you the exact headlift you have to account for

[worldly cove]

the extractors do not have headlift info?

[burnt ferry]

if its > 10m you need to have a powered pump permanently or lower the generators

unfortunately no its only available with a (powered!) pump

[worldly cove]

pump has headlift of ~7.9m

[burnt ferry]

we just know that all producers have an implicit headlift of 10m from their outputs

but whether or not thats over or under we can only tell by putting a pump

[worldly cove]

i was thinking of doing a water tower type of U shapaed pump-up with a pipleline pump and let gravity do its thing

[burnt ferry]

let it go for a while, as it climbs up when the refineries/generators are filled but sounds good actually

[worldly cove]

i did, after 1 hour it will only reach about the 4th generators, and 5th onwards is not getting it as static as the other 4

[burnt ferry]

thats certainly a good idea, but i prefer to find a higher up water source to not have to pump it up first

[worldly cove]

good idea

[burnt ferry]

but no matter how you do it, if the producer is higher up you wont have headlift issues at all

[worldly cove]

but i dont think there are a lot of landscape that has high water bodies ?

[frail sleet]

it looks like your pump is too high up the pipe, so water can't reach it in the first place to get pumped

[worldly cove]

let me try to put it right after the extractor junction

[burnt ferry]

also good to keep in mind when debugging with buffers: the large buffer is 12m high.. so you cant reliably fill it if its put on the same level as the producer

[noble topaz]

ok new question
can you do two way trains, where it uses the same track and goes back and worth between 2 stations

[frail sleet]

you can also build on water, so don't have to worry about the landscape that much e.g. https://i.imgur.com/CurnToz.jpeg

[burnt ferry]

yea. like i said really put the pump at the same height as the extractors outputs are @worldly cove

[worldly cove]

this is good

[atomic notch]

yeah i got like 20 of em

[worldly cove]

#screenshots message i have the pump changed to this height

lets see if that helps

[burnt ferry]

i once had water above some pump and it looked as if that pump was pumping 600m3.. tu rns out it was just as many water as fit in the pipes which the pump was pumping up for it then to fall back down again

[frail sleet]

you need to delete or power the other pump

[atomic notch]

2 are even fluid trains

[noble topaz]

it hates me 😭
also pls ping me

[atomic notch]

3 maybe idk anymore

[worldly cove]

the other pump was the old one

[frail sleet]

ye i mean, if it's present and unpowered then it will stop the flow

just in case you didn't know and think to delete it

[burnt ferry]

no it will reset the headflift

[worldly cove]

unpopwered pumps block flows?

[burnt ferry]

making the results you seen in the lower pump wrong

[frail sleet]

they block headlift transmission so in this case, yes

[burnt ferry]

because that would be the headlift only to the next pump

[burnt ferry]

ye effectively

[frail sleet]

pumps always block headlift transmission, but usually you don't notice it because they also add a bunch afterwards. But when they are not powered, they don't and they just kill it

[burnt ferry]

(if theyrenot powered, but we need powered pumps for ourl ittle diagnosis @worldly cove 😉 )

[worldly cove]

i think you guys fixed it

[burnt ferry]

yea.. the debugging i suggested does not work with other pumps that come before the consumers

[worldly cove]

1 pump from two extrator junctions to a 4 m height can flow through all 8 now

11,4mcube ❤️ omg thank you all

[burnt ferry]

you need to have extractor + pump at same level and then nothing until consumers to tell the hedlift you need

[topaz shale]

This little bit is useful for a headlift priority pipe system for waste fluids.

[worldly cove]

at first i even tried to overclock the extractor to see if my math is not mathing

[burnt ferry]

pssst. you will make people mentioning pressure again by saying that 😂

[topaz shale]

A tiny thing that I like to do as well is to make sure that all of my pipe manifolds are above the input and output pipe connections and then making sure that all pipes and buildings are full of fluid before starting the system. Does fix a lot of problems that may have happened.

[topaz shale]

It definitely seemed to have gotten out of hand lol

[worldly cove]

i know that restarting game saves can have a bit of an effect about water flow, is it generally a big issue?

[frail sleet]

no

[unkempt blade]

I like to replace as many pipes as possible with truck stops and factory carts carrying packaged liquids

[burnt ferry]

typically prefilling buildings just postpones the moment you see its not working if its not working before

[topaz shale]

This guy knows how to play the real game.

[burnt ferry]

manifolds that are setup correctly will eventually run smoothly no matter what.. if they dont, theres something wrong and you cant fix that by prefilling

[topaz shale]

True true but some issues like sloshing can be fixed by prefilling but yeah if the pipes weren't hooked up right in the first place, you are gonna see that no matter what.

[frail sleet]

another thing, if you want asymmetric flow out of a junction (like 45 water going sideways, and 255 going forwards) then it helps to put a mk.1 pipe on the side that you want to recieve less water while you have mk.2 pipes on the side that you want to move more.

Not relevant until unlocked later but quite impactful

[burnt ferry]

what can help though is to use proper pipe capacities only. like if a consumer does not require more than 300 m3/min, give it a mk1 pipe and not mk2

this will make it run smoothly faster

[topaz shale]

I do this for my belt manifolds as well. Very very handy.

[unkempt blade]

what's the use case for this vs controlling flow just based on input/output math?

[burnt ferry]

for pipes it can be more important than for belts

because of their bidirectionality

[burnt ferry]

unawareness about the importance of saturation

[worldly cove]

#screenshots message now to optimize coal consumption on these guys it's only at 200%

[burnt ferry]

slop your powershad production

[frail sleet]

It's complicated but tl;dr junctions split fluid flow evenly. Deviating causes sloshing. If you put a pipe with 300 water into a junction with 2 exits for example, it will split 150/150.

Other than not splitting stuff unevenly, you can't control that - with the one exception of the pipe mk.

With the same pressure, a mk.2 pipe will move 2x as much as a mk.1. So a 100/200 split with mk1+mk2 works as "equal splitting".

If you put mk.2 on both, it will try to send 150/150, and slosh.

100/200 might not be exactly what you wanted, but every little bit closer to the actual consumption helps to reduce sloshing.

[burnt ferry]

tl;dr: unawareness about the importance of saturation

[worldly cove]

i did, those coal mines has 8 each (so already 16 shards)

[burnt ferry]

good... i overclock all generators fully as there is no penalty for them

[worldly cove]

penalty? but doesn't that consum more power to generate

[burnt ferry]

in a generator?

[worldly cove]

yeah in a generator

[burnt ferry]

it generates power

and it will generate 250% of power when overclocking it such

[frail sleet]

You're being needlessly rude, and I and a bunch of other people have done a ton of research on the subject.

Pipes do self balance by having liquid flow across multiple paths (like from A to B+C and then B to C, when B has excess) but it counts multiple times towards the flow rate restrictions on the pipe and reduces the achievable flow rate that you can do. The worse the uneven splits, the higher the flow rate penalty. Prefilling or saturation doesn't fix or even meaningfully affect this.

[burnt ferry]

if you overclock the coal miner as well than that one will consume more power

[worldly cove]

so it's always a good idea to slap as many shards in it ? (coal generators)

[burnt ferry]

in generators yes

for everything else it depends because it consumes more power like you said

[worldly cove]

i need to look at overclock effcicency coefficients on all buliding types

[burnt ferry]

i typically also overclock all my extractors and miners fullly

but that comes with the usual penalty of course

[worldly cove]

yeah, miners make sense (it's just infinite source, best to find pure mines and clock it the heck out)

[clever merlin]

the fused modula frame is such a pain in the butt to make ugg

[burnt ferry]

ye right for shards you also have to consider input amounts which you simply might not be able to deliver always

[burnt ferry]

adhered plate, coated plate, molded steel pipes, solid steel, encased modular frames, encased industrial pipes is the recipes you want to use

and yes... all frames are a pita to make 😂

[clever merlin]

i would if i had a chioice but i dont

but i dont

[burnt ferry]

time for a scouting trip then

[clever merlin]

so i can spent next 5 hours trying to get wat i wont get or figuring out how to get nitrogen to my location

[burnt ferry]

nah

[clever merlin]

there no gareteen i will even find it tbh

[burnt ferry]

you just dont make a choice on harddisks that dont have recipes you want

you just keep em.. that drastically reduces the amount of harddrives needed to unlock desired recipes

[native basalt]

where can I find the Modding discord for some help troubleshooting?

[burnt ferry]

there pretty much is if you do like i said... the majority of harddisks gets wasted on recipes you dont want but reroll

if you avoid just that, all recipes you want will be unlocked very quickly

[worldly cove]

oh i found a weird (bug?) that if i placed and then removed a pump, the water current amount in a pipe gets lowered and does not return to where it was before placing the pipe

[clever merlin]

must be misaken

water pipes have no bugs

just ask the rest of the discord lol

[burnt ferry]

adding pumps typically creates a gap on your pipe that had no gap before

[worldly cove]

and teh gap bottlenecks i assume

[burnt ferry]

uhm

[worldly cove]

i should re-lay all the pipes and then do the pumps when needed

[burnt ferry]

no.. its a gap 😂

theres just no water going through because the pipes not connected anymore

[wanton fox]

How much nuclear pasta should i am as first production prio pahse 5?

[worldly cove]

omg an actual gap?

[burnt ferry]

yes 😂

[worldly cove]

i can't even see the gap?

[burnt ferry]

hm thats weird...

still: rebuilding pipes that have been segmented before can help make things work sometimes

i had stuck pipes i simply had to rebuild once to make them work

[worldly cove]

yeah i decided to rebuild all the pipes, leaving only junctions in

[burnt ferry]

ye.. i also completely avoid connecting free floating pipe segments meanwhile..

[worldly cove]

OMG i see the gaps when i deconstruct! lmfao

[burnt ferry]

i always connect from pipe pole or floor hole or junction to something other lke that

and if i have segments from deconstructing things i rebuild the entire pipe.. dont know if its matter but i hadnt any issues with pipes being blocked for no reason

[worldly cove]

generally a good idea to build from source to destination or the other way around?

[burnt ferry]

that depends on your build mode and how it should look

[atomic notch]

its better if the source is above your factory

[worldly cove]

2 extractors to 8 generators, 4m lift, source below factory sadly

[burnt ferry]

take 'straight' for example.. if input and output are not aligned it will create an edge... no if you go from in to out, the edge will be shortly before the out, going straight from the in until then.. if you build the other way around that edge is on the other side

[atomic notch]

oh its just coal sry i didnt read back

[burnt ferry]

similar to horizontal to vertical... if you build top to bottom the thing will go on the higher level until shortly before the point it needs to go down.. if you bild from bottom to top the pipe will be at the floor until shortly before it has to go up

so this doesnt affect the way pipes work at all, specifically not since pipes are bidirectional which is important to alwayskeepin mind

[burnt ferry]

a fully overclocked coal genrator is 7m3 short of requiring its own extractor

so effectively you need one extractor per generator

[worldly cove]

1 water extractor?

[burnt ferry]

here you really shouldnt overclock although two extractors already yieild 600

[worldly cove]

it's mark 1 only (coal gen)

[burnt ferry]

but the amount of power consumed MORE is much higher

[wanton fox]

Question, how much nuclear past should aim as production before phase 5?
2.5 ? or going nuts 10 per minute

[burnt ferry]

generators dont havem marks

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=gc

[burnt ferry]

1

[wicked nacelle]

oh hahah it's cg

!wikisearch cg

[burnt ferry]

same answer as for ever phase and every material required for them

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[wicked nacelle]

it's not hard to get it perfect early game without any shards

[wanton fox]

and after?

[burnt ferry]

for all phases and all mats for it: 1 per minute is enough

[worldly cove]

in fact i was doing this (2nd illustration in the image) and it worked

[burnt ferry]

why wouldnt you use shards for the generators though? you just have to build more if not, without any benefit

not sharding the water genrators makes sense of course

in fact even underclocking them would

[wicked nacelle]

I do more building than exploring so I'm short on sharts when I get coal power

[wanton fox]

oh my and i was just breaking my brain thinking how i can make 12K powder por 10 xM. Ty

[burnt ferry]

you mean you are not slopping your shard production early enough.. in my latest save game where i wasnt crafting a single shard before i could overclock with slops (i think i had to make one for research) i have like 400 shards now

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, I def don't have slopps for sharts when I get coal power

[burnt ferry]

nah.. it was 700 even

400 was what i had in my inventory, but the depot was also full

[burnt ferry]

in fact i rushed phase 4 using coupons nd the shop

pasta was the first thing i had done

just a bunch of them cubes from the shop (two stacks?) and then a particel thingy

[atomic notch]

damn

mood af

[wicked nacelle]

wow I haven't heard someone say "mood" since like... 2021

that word slaps.

[wanton fox]

dumb question. after that, there is only one use for the pasta? like the cingularity cell?

[burnt ferry]

mood? as in the cow mooed?

[wicked nacelle]

hahaha kids.

[burnt ferry]

you need 1k pasta for phase 5 😂

[wicked nacelle]

those are pretty important

[wanton fox]

oh my

[wanton fox]

now i get why the cupons

[burnt ferry]

the game tells you in phase 1 or 2 'do not dismantle your phase material facilities' 😂

[burnt ferry]

i wouldnt bother couponing the thousand... lke those cubes in the shop cost like 8 coupons or so.. and it was atleast 2 stacks i had to buy.. could have been 4 even.. i need ten times the amount of that

and in fact, once you have fused frames, the way to pasta isnt that far anymore

[atomic notch]

i didnt even make any proper ones until p4 everything else was just temp builds

[wicked nacelle]

there's a spot near the swamp with 3 pure copper nodes

just put down all the pure copper refineries and it will make more than enough powder

[wanton fox]

k, ty. then i will not go that nuts xD

[burnt ferry]

yee same.. im kinda trying it in my new save.. like i planned a huge facilitiy around the elevator which is not allowed to have any other machines then phase material p;roducers..

of courseim busy with LOTS of other stuff 😂

yesterday i had a short moment of hope as i had seen that the hoverpack gives twice the amount of coupon points than what turbo motors give (whichis one of the highest)

unfortunately you cant mass produce hoverpacks.. i thought i could because it works for manual miners

but it would be crazy because compared to turbo motors the hoverpack is extremely cheap

[atomic notch]

just open an lfg and get a bunch of randos to handcraft hoverpacks for you

[wicked nacelle]

haha

just say "looking to use all the uranium in the map" and I'm sure they'll come running

[burnt ferry]

i would need a lot though as i have maxed out my coupon price with turbo motors alreadyquiet a lot 😂

[atomic notch]

or like say youre a girl

[wicked nacelle]

that's psycho to sink turbomotors

[burnt ferry]

being a girls would be enough as that would spark the necessary hope in them dwellers enough already

[wicked nacelle]

I hate turbo motors... but at least make thermal engines

There are no girls on the internet

[burnt ferry]

huh? theyre one of the most valuable thing you can sink

[wicked nacelle]

girls?

[atomic notch]

thats what im sayin dude i saw one post who said they were a girl and it had like 400 replies

[burnt ferry]

just think the overflow after filling a large container connected to your depot

[atomic notch]

some unfortunate souls dont know that

[wicked nacelle]

not a catfish send me moneyz

[burnt ferry]

ive seen plenty of girls on a website about rodents

[wicked nacelle]

is that what 4chan is about? never really knew

[burnt ferry]

think its premature rodents on 4chan but im not sure

remember when 4chan made people charge their iphones in the microwave? why couldnt they have pulled off something like this on trump voters

[main topaz]

4chan is full of trump voters is why.

[burnt ferry]

hm.. guess that makes sense

[shrewd palm]

truly the lowest form of intelligence

[azure ermine]

can you plop blueprints into the blueprinter?

[wicked nacelle]

yes, sort of

[shrewd palm]

yes, just go into "load blueprint" in the console

[wicked nacelle]

but sometimes they don't fit back into the blueprinter even though it's the same size, then you have to "load it"

you can just normal build a blueprint in the machine for sure (most of the time)

[azure ermine]

I made a layer of batteries and I want to stack up 3 layers and make a new blueprint?

[wicked nacelle]

and that's the only option if it's a different size machine

[burnt ferry]

some buildings exceed their boundary box.. this wil also affect the snapping behavir of the blueprint

[wicked nacelle]

you can only "load" a blueprint into the same size machine as it was originally made in

[azure ermine]

I made sure to put blocks in the corner that would sit on each other for lining it up

[burnt ferry]

and when you have a blueprint with elevated buildings you cant put these buildings on the ground of a new blueprint because the elevation is included in the boundary box and you would escape the blueprinters room towards the bottom if nudging the elevated building down

also happens with floor holes... you can put a foundation on the floor of the blueprinter, then put a floor hole.. that hole however will extend the boundary box below the foundation, so you cant putit back with the foundation flat on the blueprinters ground but elevated as much as the floor holes shape peeks out

[burnt ferry]

you will be able to place a wall such that the wall will be outside the boundary box, creating the same issue

wall power poles also

[violet pecan]

We have vertical mobility in the form of personell elevators, so why not horizontal mobility?

[shrewd palm]

belts

[burnt ferry]

belts, trains, zipline, trucks

[shrewd palm]

ziplines

[wicked nacelle]

cannons

[violet pecan]

Like an elevator that goes sideways

[burnt ferry]

this is not an airport

[violet pecan]

So why are there drones that can do that?

[burnt ferry]

can do what?

[hybrid nymph]

I never bother with drones, I like trains better

[burnt ferry]

you cant ride on drones you will fall off

i tried

[wicked nacelle]

I do drones when I don't have a nearby train line and don't expect to. for example, time crystals and copper powder.... the locations are usually pretty random

[burnt ferry]

drones can transport surprisingly much

[hybrid nymph]

I literally made a train yesterday that travels only 400 meters

[wicked nacelle]

especially with 500 stack items.

[burnt ferry]

true

[hybrid nymph]

Because I HATE delivering by trucks

[wicked nacelle]

ain't nobody said nothing 'bout trucks

[burnt ferry]

thats the trucks fault

use tractors.. theyre MUCh better

[violet pecan]

Let's be honest, who even uses vehicles to transport materials
Trains are a whole separate class

[hybrid nymph]

No, The only vehicle I use for deliveries trains

[wicked nacelle]

masochists

[hybrid nymph]

The only reason you would ever use a vehicle to deliver stuff in until you get a train

And then you stop using that vehicle and replace it with a train station

[wicked nacelle]

no, not even then. just use belts.

[burnt ferry]

im not joking about them tractors... they are a lot more reliable

[hybrid nymph]

Honestly yes, just make like a 2 km long fill

[burnt ferry]

they also can handle slopes better but most importantl they dont glitch off track every other second

[hybrid nymph]

That's honestly still better than using a truck or tractor

If literally anything gets in the way of the truck or tractor it glitches out

[burnt ferry]

recording tracks is a pita with any vehicle thats true

[hybrid nymph]

I've experimented with trucks plenty of times and I can tell you they are the most glitchy thing in the entire game

[burnt ferry]

i know

hence i unironically say use tractors

[hybrid nymph]

I had a truck run into a poison pillar once, That truck literally went to space

I have no idea what happened to it

[clever merlin]

now time to wait for Fused Modualar Frame

[burnt ferry]

sometimes you cant even stand onthem.. they will stop steering

[violet pecan]

You're just playing a different game, and that thing crashes like a meteorite

[burnt ferry]

and of course trucks require a lot more space for maneuvers like turning around

[hybrid nymph]

They don't go up hills well either

Which really annoys me...

[burnt ferry]

and then they still randomly crash into the road fence

[burnt ferry]

thats what i meant with tractors handle slopes better

[hybrid nymph]

I know they do. But they have an inventory that's so small

[burnt ferry]

like i can send them easily up any 4 m ramp.. trucks need lower segments

[hybrid nymph]

Trucks can only go up a 2 meter incline

[clever merlin]

i aculty doing pretty good with tractors and trucks

[violet pecan]

Those motors can go to better use, like ~~trains ~~refineries

[hybrid nymph]

I completely disagree, using motors to make trains is a perfectly acceptable use of them

[burnt ferry]

the inventories size is made up for by the reliability of them tractors

i barely have more than one tractor..

[hybrid nymph]

One thing that was added in from a mod that I really wish they would add to the tractors, since well it is a piece of farming equipment, is the plow

[burnt ferry]

vehicles need a huge overhaul..

[violet pecan]

We all want vehicle attatchments
I'd probably use a truck if you could put an animal transport car behind it.

[hybrid nymph]

It's an attachment that goes on the front of the tractor, and it destroys and harvests and foliage in front of it

[burnt ferry]

like we need to be able to move nodes and not just delete them and re record

[hybrid nymph]

Sure it doesn't harvest big trees, but it harvests small trees and bushes

[burnt ferry]

i want an automated alien defense cannon

[wicked nacelle]

vehicles need to be taken behind the shed

subnautica style?

[burnt ferry]

na

thats an actual defense system.. i rather meant an automated alien attack system for satisfactory

[hybrid nymph]

Nah, I don't think it fits the theme of the game

[burnt ferry]

they have stingers

so any weapon fits the theme

[wicked nacelle]

let's get a reverse game where it's your job to stop some jerkhole from ruining your pristine natural planet\

[split pewter]

how long does a nuclear rod last on a drone?

[hybrid nymph]

Although I do wish they would add in a boss into the game that was guarding like 6 purple power slugs or like 4 somersloops or something

[burnt ferry]

irl?

[wicked nacelle]

@poof like.. forever. It's a great use for plutonium fuel rods that you don't sink

[hybrid nymph]

Do the math

[split pewter]

its @split pewter

[split pewter]

nah imma just

!wikisearch drone

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=drone

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @burnt ferry

[split pewter]

1,500.000 mj

[burnt ferry]

uhm

(there is ingame info about this)

[split pewter]

im not ingame

[azure ermine]

I figured out how to do what I wanted in the blueprinter, by nudging instances of a blueprinter into the blueprinter in a stack. #screenshots message

[split pewter]

im launching kerbals into the mun actively

[hybrid nymph]

The answer is probably about 33 trips in a drone

For a single uranium fuel rod

[wicked nacelle]

be careful with nudging it doesn't always work like you want. def not with rail

[split pewter]

33 trips is quite alot

[hybrid nymph]

That's at least with Chat GPT told me

[wicked nacelle]

don't use uranium rods on drones, use plutonium

burn the uranium

[split pewter]

using it with plutonium would end up very well if you sink the excess

[hybrid nymph]

If you use plutonium fuel rods they have twice the amount of energy as a uranium fuel rod so it'll get 66 trips

[split pewter]

thats nice

idk if it works on drones but if uranium does plutonium should

[burnt ferry]

the ingame information tells you exactly how much your drones need for the paths theyh ave to travel

[split pewter]

am i ingame

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch drone

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=drone

[wicked nacelle]

come on people

[split pewter]

???

[burnt ferry]

im saying whatever response you get in here is significantly lesss useful than just waiting until you are... also i couldnt care less if you are or not

[split pewter]

your saying the ingame information should be used when im not ingame

[hybrid nymph]

I have a thought I wanted to run by you guys. So once I use plutonium fuel rods in a nuclear reactor, should I just have the waist delivered to a train station and just have the train deliver the waste to a safe storage site away from everything?

[split pewter]

yes

[dense violet]

you could drone it as well. Waste has a high stack size

[burnt ferry]

most iumportantly i said that i dont care whether i could help you or not.. take it or leave it

[split pewter]

if you can turn it into ficsonium and burn it there, it makes there less waste in the end

[split pewter]

not taking it..

[hybrid nymph]

Oh yeah huh drones, That would actually be a really good idea

Using drones to dispose of the waste

[split pewter]

using trains would take a while to load

and unload

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah it would, too big of an inventory size

[split pewter]

even using mk7 belts it still goes out at 1000/m

2 stacks per minute

[burnt ferry]

hey guys. im currently playing balatro. im too lazy to start the game, but how to decrease the music volume again?

alsow ould be dope if anyone could tell me inwhat category that freakin mk1 miner is at

while i play balatro

[violet pecan]

Production>Miners

[wary vessel]

this whole string of messages is incredibly based

balala my balaloved

[violet pecan]

Anyhoo, how cool would it be to have like an elevator that goes horizontal

[burnt ferry]

balalala.. balala in the mooohorning

[burnt ferry]

but.... elevating isnt.... 🧐

[wary vessel]

Aperture Science Unstationary Scaffold™ reference???

[violet pecan]

YES absolute- uuhhh.. no?

[wary vessel]

damn you bot

cant send links to unstationary scaffolds

literally 1984

[burnt ferry]

ungood

[wary vessel]

is pondering baron mime naneinf thoughtcrime?

guys i practice doublethink (i think about chips AND mult.........)

[violet pecan]

Shoot, not images either
Lucky I already know what it looks like

[wary vessel]

indeed

[burnt ferry]

not in here anyway

[wary vessel]

anyway @burnt ferry are you/were you winning in balatro

number go up?

[burnt ferry]

wel the numbers arent really going 'up' ... as a clicker heroes veteran im used to 4 to 5 figures e numbers

[wary vessel]

i scored my first naneinf the other day on a set seed

ngl after like ante 16 that run was hella boring

[burnt ferry]

i wouldnnt know why i would do that.. there is not really amotivation to do it

[wary vessel]

i mean ante 30 is cool

but like its so boring because its like use a bunch of cryptids, score big number, get nothing in the shop, perkeo the goat makes 7 more cryptids, rinse and repeat until you run out

[burnt ferry]

i compare it to brotato which is equally grindy and kinda unique but here you arem otivated to a) always take the highest difficulty) and b) to finish all chars

[wary vessel]

i still have yet to beat gold stake

gold stake lowkey beating my ass ngl

[burnt ferry]

the decks in balatro are not balanced enough and the only reason to do higher stakes is for the unlocks.. once those are done you go lowest difficulty only

[wary vessel]

b-but gold sticker 😭

shiny circle on my number go up cards make dopamine go weeee (wee joker reference)

[burnt ferry]

ye even that.. i mean im talking about character icons going frmo grey background to yellow background in brotato and thats what i call motivation 😂

[wary vessel]

ah

i mean im playing schedule 1 rn which is basically number go up game

[burnt ferry]

i mean its similar to them yellow stickers i guess but idk.. i dont feel motivated since i unlocked my last joker

[wary vessel]

make more meth to make more money to buy more stuff to make more meth

[burnt ferry]

ye but the math is too limited

on clicker heroes e323 was early game

[wary vessel]

but its still fun because you get to make drugs

[wary vessel]

ok buddy you aren't gonna believe this

[burnt ferry]

im not enjoying schedule 1 either

[wary vessel]

hang on im gonna dm you the screenshot

[burnt ferry]

too cmbersome... also i dont want to have virtual weed 😂

[wary vessel]

idk man this game is so fun

i hate playing cookie clicker

[burnt ferry]

i have a real grow tent in my room and them frst seeed jsut popped 3 days before 😂

[wary vessel]

i literally open the game for like 20 seconds and get bored out of my mind

[wary vessel]

bro decided the game wasn't realistic enough and that he had to reenact it

[burnt ferry]

cookie clicker was kinda interesting at it actually invites you to cheat..t here even was an achievement you could unly unlock by cheating... and as im a developer i found this rather interesting

[wary vessel]

im also a developer

that achievement doesnt exist in the steam version fyi

[burnt ferry]

ye i heard about that i gues you also cant cheat the same wayanymore.. this was possible with developer tools

[wary vessel]

im hella thirsty im gonna go find a drink

[burnt ferry]

the code was designed like a game itself, like it was unusual obscure but it all was there to deliberately hide the solutions

[wary vessel]

in the source code the way it works is it just checks if your number of cookies in bank is higher than cookies earned

[wary vessel]

i just moved to boston a few days ago for school so i like do not know the layout of this city very well

[burnt ferry]

nah there was alot more.. like every cheat was obvious in what youd have to do. you just had to solve kiunda mini puzzles within the code to actually accomplish it

[wary vessel]

wdym

i literally read the games source code it is just a single if statement bro

[burnt ferry]

like they had some string based map to lookup stuff which effectively disabled an easy lookup of keys

[wary vessel]

what are you talking about bro

[burnt ferry]

like you couldnt just object.keys(thing) to get the values you wnted, you had to figure out the key first either by just searching within the code or by utilizing other knowledge.. its been a while,kinda hard to describe

[wary vessel]

are we talking about the same game

[burnt ferry]

i guess youhave to find a copy of the browser version of the game to fully understand

[wary vessel]

???

[burnt ferry]

if youre a developer you know the concept 'security by obscurity' thats basically what they did. but not accidentally but deliberately, sucht that it was like a game

[wary vessel]

i have the source code downloaded locally my guy

i feel like you are talking to nobody rn bro

[burnt ferry]

then just look into theh code if you have it

[wary vessel]

i literally have it open

[burnt ferry]

if youre unable to see you are probably not a developer as much as you think you are 😂

[wary vessel]

ok dude

[burnt ferry]

also dont call me out if youre the one not getting it.. thats annoying

[wary vessel]

nice ragebait ill see you later

[burnt ferry]

i dont even think you have the version i played back then.. prolly has been updated before it came on steam

[wary vessel]

i have actual shit to do

[burnt ferry]

its like.. phew.. 17 years ago

[wary vessel]

bro is talking DIRECTLY out of his ass

incredible

[tawdry forge]

Does anyone know if there are plans to release DLC with a new planet to explore?

[burnt ferry]

doesnt seem like it

but thanks for explaining to me that i should actually block you

[wary vessel]

bro the ragebait is incredible

[dense violet]

just block him. He's not worth while to listen to for anything

[burnt ferry]

childish crap.. tells me hsa stuff to do 😂

[wary vessel]

ah yes because being a student at the best music school on earth means im never busy ever i get it now

[wary vessel]

no this is fun bro

[dense violet]

eh, it also means you're giving him what he wants

[wary vessel]

indeed

i was about to go anyway

[regal arch]

any way to hide nuclear power plant steam? besides not filling them with rods in the first place or removing them

[wary vessel]

I wasn't kidding about this btw

I am so fuckin hyped for the year

I can't upload images right god dammit

[dense violet]

have a bunch of foundations above them

[peak wasp]

do you guys do anything with your coal factories, i posted a factory a friend and i made and i have no clue how to.. uhh, style it lol

[wary vessel]

I'm boutta be so busy in a week

The drivers in Boston are legitimately maniacs though

[violet pecan]

Just put a vent over it

[dense violet]

I generally don't care about aesthetics for early factories
and I don't build coal gens after unlocking everything :\

[peak wasp]

i wanna try as much cause i have no clue how to make beautiful stuff so its good practice

[wary vessel]

This is true

[peak wasp]

yeah no we're really new its a new save

[wary vessel]

Good practice

[peak wasp]

no i mean like its good to practice my (nonexistent) skills 😭

[burnt ferry]

damn i knew it... the code looks like before and you can tell immediately when opening the console whatim talking about 😂 why have i even doubted it...

[dense violet]

imo wait until you've unlocked everything.
you get much better design tools and objects to build with

and one of the absolute core skills you need for pretty things is basic practice laying out buildings belts and pipes

which you gain while you go up the tiers

[peak wasp]

ah i see, thank you. we'll try that

[dense violet]

think of all the milestones as a really good tutorial 😉

[plain gate]

does anyone know the maximuum spelevator production as of v1.1

wanna try doing this again, including sloops and allat

[dense violet]

it's more than your computer can handle

[plain gate]

i did it before on 0.8 i'm sure its fine

or like 80% of the max i forgot

i just remember milking the map of copper was such a nightmare...

nuclear pasta 💀

[dense violet]

yeah nothing's changed since u8, you're right. gl

[plain gate]

does scim calculator take sloops into account?

[shrewd shore]

anyone know why snap mode doesnt seem to work all that well? its fine with singular buildings but with blueprints it fucks up, and even simple merger at building outputs doesnt rly seem to work the way I wish it did.

[plain gate]

it keeps feeding me alien proteins

really that uncreative

[dense violet]

blueprint mode?

[rustic hare]

blueprints doesn't snap really well to the world grid I heard, it's better to build a foundationless blueprint then place it on foundations

[shrewd shore]

blueprints are fine im fine with using nudge all the time for those but having to place hundreds of mergers with snap lines visible but snapping mode not working is frustrating

[dense violet]

what are you trying to snap to?

[shrewd shore]

well like the same continous line of mergers along with the output of buildings. it has the same lines that show up as when you snap buildings in line.

[azure ermine]

I can't find a way to color framework in anyway, it seems to just be default black. Can't apply colors or metals to it, it's not foundation so can't apply material types

[shrewd palm]

i think it just doesn't work very well with blueprints

[azure ermine]

I mean by hand

[dense violet]

probably a problem you want to take to #design-and-architecture with iamges of what you're tryign to do

[shrewd palm]

so long as you're building on foundations snapping isnt really inaccurate anyways

[azure ermine]

oh, more than one conversation going on 🙂

[plain gate]

is there mod to summon water out of thin air, istg if i have to build more water extractors i will genuinely kms on day 2 of playing this

[azure ermine]

pipes are the worst. I've watched so many videos on how to fix power plants fluttering due to stuff in pipes sloshing around and...I just want them to act like wet conveyor belts

[dense violet]

pipes are very easy. Keep them simple

a lot of people on YT have no idea what they are talking about

[peak wasp]

SALE TIME!!

[glad drum]

#screenshots message
You don't even need to keep it simple imo - if you know how, build a water tower - if you don't know how and don't wanna learn, just put them straight up, straight outta the water extractor to as high as you plan on having them, slap on pumps, then you're good

I LOVE PIPES

they're so wiggly

[azure ermine]

wiggly is good.

kind of like curve mode in conveyors, so graceful arcing across a factory

[glad drum]

I like you

[heady ether]

why are path signals the most broken thing ever]

[glad drum]

Spaghetti be with you 🙏

[silk ocean]

What's wrong with them, I use loads, they're fine xD

[willow glen]

I’m gonna have to pile on that challenge. Path signals rock

[plain gate]

path signals are fine

[vague dune]

Are Bolted Iron Plates a good alternate? I feel like the greater product/min isnt worth it for the major cost increase

[willow glen]

I’d skip it

[cosmic junco]

All alt recipes are good in the right circumstances

[glad drum]

FUN FACT: When you place a splitter/merger on a curved conveyor, it can sometimes shift the curve of the conveyor and move it slightly.

[cosmic junco]

I've used some alt recipes like rubber concrete that I thought I'd never use, but it allowed the math to work out a lot better in some rare cases

[peak wasp]

I gifted the game to my 2nd account and sister, gonna do a fresh start 🙂

[noble topaz]

just done my first adaptive control unit, trust me yall dont wanna see how i made it #screenshots message

[peak wasp]

rule in new game, no hand crafting

[silk ocean]

Might be unavoidable in early game? portable miners xD

[peak wasp]

ok maybe just the start

[silk ocean]

resource scanner, sword, etc

or just no hand crafting of anything that can be automated rule? xD

[willow glen]

those can all be made in manufacturer, just rush unlocking it! tho you might need some extra rotors from somewhere i think

[peak wasp]

agreed!

good rule!

[silk ocean]

I guess you could scour crash sites for materials xD

[peak wasp]

I started in grassy fields, so will work on new location

just watching a video on yt about starting areas

[noble topaz]

whats the longest train that youve seen

[silk ocean]

I have a 6 including engine XD

Most of mine are 2 or 3 long

(e.g. not very long lol)

[peak wasp]

dune looks good!

[frail sleet]

i did one 1.6km long but not gonna repeat that 😄

stations being 1.6km long in a straight line is a pain

[silk ocean]

Dune Desert is quite nice up to about tier 4/5

[noble topaz]

was it for the funnies, or cuz you had to

[frail sleet]

needed that many carts to move a certain huge amount of stuff, but there are better ways to go about it

[silk ocean]

Must be for the lolz, nobody needs a 1.6km train xD

[willow glen]

dune desert is nice and wide open but you can also just build there later in the game, no need to have the ugly start it does (oil is very rude over there)

i recommend rocky desert for a newer player, dune desert after you've beaten the game (or at least gotten past oil)

[willow glen]

aluminum

[peak wasp]

wb uranium?

[silk ocean]

oil is a bit of a journey south at dune yeah, it's not super far though

[silk ocean]

Oh I am assuming the train is 1.6km long, or is this the railway xD

[willow glen]

at that point you've already crossed the map so starting location is pretty irrelevant. the swamp is really nice for nuclear imo, which altho its close to dune desert, i wouldnt go there till late game.

[silk ocean]

How many freight cars is a 1.6km long train, it must be at least 50?

[willow glen]

which makes blue crater... rough to get to

[peak wasp]

rocky desert?

[willow glen]

100, minus the locomotives, so probably like 82 or so

[willow glen]

what about it? as a spot for a nuclear plant? i mean, its ok, but the water is off the coast there

[silk ocean]

I mean it's kinda cool / realistic, I don't think I could fill that on each run XD

[peak wasp]

what about coin tree forrest?

[willow glen]

i'm not even sure what you're asking about anymore

[silk ocean]

starting location xD

[glad drum]

#screenshots message --- I had 120 screws/min but was only using 100, had to do some fanaggling to reroute the extra 20 to the storage container but I think it ended up looking pretty swell

[willow glen]

ya the train station would have to be in the sky lol

[willow glen]

what, you mean northern forest? its a really bad starter zone unless you have a master plan, as you start with very little room to expand but you have all these pure nodes you WANT to expand on.

[silk ocean]

Start in the Swamp 😈

[glad drum]

That's such a good idea - Ogre playthrough

[peak wasp]

northern forrest looks good

lot of water, some crude oil, coa, pure iron