satisfactory

[azure ermine]

yeah I've been adjusting the iron items by just taping another machine onto the outside of the pile, it needs to be rethought

[silk ocean]

Clean xD

Yea there is an entire rail network around the entire map

[reef basin]

usually people that complain about them the most are those that are building weird stuff with them

[azure ermine]

I have some use for rods, I am putting railing around all the paving of the void. Wouldn't want to walk off the edge

I think interactive map says I'm up to about 46k foundations

[peak wasp]

with the new factory, im going to build walkways through every machine, with lights

[fiery lotus]

I haven't found a single berry for the doggos

[peak wasp]

just trying to figure what lights are best

I like changin g colour

[silk ocean]

Usually multiple routes, the entire network is fully signalled, so if I need to rework a section trains usually find a different route xD

[worthy hatch]

wish we had hue customization lights

[boreal musk]

foundations as walls is great

[reef dock]

would the overflow eventually lock the whole belt up?
#screenshots message

[hard ivy]

if you do it wrong, probably

[silk ocean]

Overflow at the highest upstream point generally xD

[reef dock]

how would I prevent it from happening?

[silk ocean]

And maybe downstream as well after production/storage etc

[fiery lotus]

I've just been splitting overflow between containers & sinks

So many tickets

[silk ocean]

Water only flows up, it can't go down 😉

It's the Hydrogen in the molecule, it's lighter than air, so water floats upwards XD

[slate python]

How do you build like this #screenshots message

[spiral summit]

what the hell is wrong with the explorer

[silk ocean]

H and then cursor keys to nudge

[spiral summit]

is there a new bug that makes it flip backwards when doing any slight turn

[limpid cairn]

okay i somehow managed to get biocoal twice in the mam

[silk ocean]

Generally I personally rarely need to nudge if you build everything on foundations

[spiral summit]

it never was like this

[limpid cairn]

still no purecopper ingot

[spiral summit]

its like this stupid thing is skidding on ice

[limpid cairn]

i still got the one i already have twice

i have biomass -> coal already unlocked

and have it in the mam

check #screenshots message if you want

[boreal musk]

stress test the system first, you will never know unless you boot it up

[wicked nacelle]

lol

[boreal musk]

i always stress test my system before going to next section

[limpid cairn]

lol i also already have charcoal

i have it in the mam too

wtf

i tzhink im doing something wrong

[reef dock]

why does the sound the zipline equip makes sound like the stretching of the hand in poppy play time (I have no idea how I remember that sound)

[spiral summit]

wow this thing drives TERRIBLE

i swear it was never this bad

it is physically impossible for wheel on asphalt to have that low friction

like a few days ago

[fiery lotus]

Might be framerate affected?

[boreal musk]

really, i just use explorer recently and they worked fine

[spiral summit]

maybe it happened a couple times but i swear it didnt happen every time i tried to lightly turn

[sudden ridge]

Hey guys, everything ok, I need some help. When I go to put my blueprint in, it disappears, it appears, the project file was not found even though I just saved it.

[naive scroll]

can someone tell me if i should take some of the hard drive or rescan

i feel like i got crap

[limpid cairn]

send em in #satisfactory

[naive scroll]

well we are here

i cant send pics tho

[dense violet]

the choice with recipes is always - will you think it might be used in the next factory you're making? if not? rescan , try again.

just pick something. You're never locked out and all recipes have their uses

there's a couple that are very niche. But that's about it

[noble topaz]

whats does the input conveyer do for the alien power regulator?

[naive scroll]

ah

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch apa

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=apa

[naive scroll]

is biocoal worth

[dense violet]

that's one of hte very niche ones

but you can do funny things with it like turn pigs into uranium rods

[naive scroll]

yeah i didnt take it

i found one where i can do encased steel with pipes and cement instead of the main thing

instead of steel beam

[silk ocean]

Is it possible to get rid of this tree in #screenshots ?

Tried nuking it xD

[gritty sleet]

It'd be funny if the power slugs slowed crawled around their spawn area

[dense violet]

You'd have no end of bitching from people

[naive scroll]

is iron pipe the same as steel pipe?

[dense violet]

it's an alt of it yes

[naive scroll]

oh so i can use it in building stuff that requires steel pipe??

[dense violet]

yup

[naive scroll]

omg

[dense violet]

it requires a metric ass ton of iron though

[naive scroll]

life made easier

[boreal musk]

item is still the same, alt recipe only change how you make them

[dense violet]

assuming you have Solid Steel ingot, it usees lik 5x as much

[naive scroll]

looks at his 5 belts of iron sitting with nothing to do

yeah but that means i dont need to do stupid steel ingot to do them anymore

and i can use it for the beams....

[dense violet]

one of the main issues though will be that every future step of production needs more and more parts. So it gets costsy fast

[naive scroll]

totally fine in this place

i have 4 iron nodes and 2 doing nothing... and the coal i have issues with

[somber monolith]

Does anyone know how I can split 1950 polymer onto mk 4 belts being fed from refineries idk what optimal is

[hard ivy]

Well, you're gonna need at least 5

But that's about all I can say given the information you provided

Why do you even have that much resin?

[somber monolith]

Cause I’m making a plastic and rubber factory that makes me some fuel on the side

200 fuel on the side

[dense violet]

clock the machines making polymer to put the number of resin you need on each belt

[feral geyser]

Break them into smaller groups of 3-6 depending on your recipe, so you don't top your belt speed.

[somber monolith]

What’s the most efficient refineries to belt is what I wanna know

[feral geyser]

That question doesnt make sense?

[dense violet]

plan out how you want to group the step that uses the resin

that's the 'efficient' layout

also that's not a generic term you can use for everything and have a single answer.

[somber monolith]

Like what’s the most amount of refineries I can put on one mk4 belt

[feral geyser]

Depends on the recipe/clockspeed

Which recipe are you using?

[somber monolith]

I’m just doing 100% and polymer resin

[neat hinge]

is there any thing to do with plastic and rubber? its starting to feel more like a byproduct than the residue

i can sink it but is there a better way

[dense violet]

divide 480 by the output of a refinery?

[feral geyser]

So each refinery does what, 130/min?

[somber monolith]

Yeah

[feral geyser]

So 3 per belt

[dense violet]

480/130

[somber monolith]

Ok

[feral geyser]

3×130=390

Which is nice, cuz thats just a merger

[somber monolith]

Yeah

Aight thanks

[feral geyser]

Respect the 3's, thats my building rule.

[feral geyser]

Pretty sure he's got me muted, which is funny, cuz we're double answering with the same info lmfao

[wicked nacelle]

Or the twos.

[feral geyser]

Imagine not liking me lol

[dense violet]

he replied directly to you at least once

[feral geyser]

I will purposely round up to 3s and clock down

[feral geyser]

I was actually talking about you having me blocked, but ig nvm lol

I assumed because discord refuses to allow me to react to your messages

Glad to know you have not

[naive scroll]

awww

[dense violet]

oh I do, you clocked up 3 strikes in like the first day you were here. I just occasionally check block msgs to make sure a war crime isn't happening in suggestions

[naive scroll]

wholesome!

[dense violet]

it was impressive. Few people get that many strikes that fast

[naive scroll]

what did he say?

[feral geyser]

Hahaha imagine that level of fragility

[dense violet]

don't remember, that's what block notes are for. Not going to weigh myself down forever with it

[naive scroll]

oh damn here he goes

yeah i like the iron pipes much more than steel pipes

also got iron wire

iron nodes go brrrrr

[feral geyser]

Those two are so bad though 😭

[limpid cairn]

What is better,

Packaging a liquid first then transporting it with a train

Putting the liquid directly in the train

[feral geyser]

First one

[naive scroll]

how... i have like 15 iron nodes next to me and maybe 4 coal. i am stressing over the coal so much

[dense violet]

You can do either.
with gasses though they compress when packaged

[fluid sapphire]

why does my pump say its headlift is 55m if its literally on a horizontal pipe

[dense violet]

there's lots of coal on the map. don't stress

[feral geyser]

There must be some junction that goes up

[limpid cairn]

Do I then just sink the empty packages or do I bring them
Back?

[naive scroll]

yeah i also have a lot of uh.... jolted up coal bands that i need to fix

[feral geyser]

Either or.

[dense violet]

typically bring them back, if yo uwant to save on having to continuously make them

[limpid cairn]

Basically for gasses I should always package first then transport ?

[dense violet]

yes. But that's mainly because gasses don't behave well in buffers

[shy fog]

I don't think it matters with gasses... just build a pipe...

[dense violet]

but also the compression is useful

[feral geyser]

For my nitrogen drones, they send to the unpackager, then bottles go back to the drone port.

[terse flower]

Does satisfactory need wifi to play solo

[feral geyser]

No

[terse flower]

W

[feral geyser]

Any game that does is a shill

[limpid cairn]

No

[terse flower]

What if my world has other people but I play solo?

[limpid cairn]

Youre not playing on a server

[fluid sapphire]

nope, there is not, there is one that goes back down

[feral geyser]

Hmmm. I couldn't say for sure unless I saw what was going on.

[terse flower]

Does this make sense

[feral geyser]

No

[dense violet]

no. if you have other people in yoru world you are not playing solo

[heavy pine]

Are you seeing other people actively making stuff and whatnot?

[feral geyser]

If you mean, other people have joined your world in the past, then yeah, going offline afterwards is fine still

[terse flower]

It’s my world that I have people join to help me. But most of the time I’m playing alone. There items are still there but I am just playing

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message
i pump water up to 3 floors, each floor has some left over, which i direct back down to the first floor

[terse flower]

Yes.

[feral geyser]

Yes, thats fine then

[terse flower]

Thank you

[feral geyser]

They'll just sit there drinking coffee.

[terse flower]

Sorry for my bad explanation. Idk how my English is so bad

[feral geyser]

If you need them out of the way, just kill them, they'll respawn at the HUB if they join again.

[naive scroll]

its ok you are romanian

[terse flower]

Australian

[naive scroll]

same thing

[feral geyser]

Same difference

[naive scroll]

earthling

[feral geyser]

I love Aussies, but I love Kiwis even more

[terse flower]

Ily too

Who wants a funny story

[naive scroll]

what do you guys think i should buy from the awesome shop

[terse flower]

Everything

[feral geyser]

I do

[fluid sapphire]

all buildables

[heavy pine]

Ladders are really useful for exploration. See a high area you want to check out? Plop down a ladder and climb into the sky.

[naive scroll]

ohhh okay

[terse flower]

So at my house, the circuit breaker partly broke, the one that my wifi relies on. So all the power in my house except one area is without power. That area is the wifi router

[feral geyser]

That is hilarious 😂😭

[terse flower]

And the sparky (electrician) is busy till Monday

Does anyone have a good blueprint design for a manufacturer

[naive scroll]

the most important thing is preserved!

[feral geyser]

Kinda? I have one with four stacked central input lines. Split and lift down to the machines

[naive scroll]

we can share blueprints????

omg i did not know that

[feral geyser]

They are close to the same folder as the save files.

[naive scroll]

ohh....

now i want all the cool stuff!!!

[terse flower]

I meant like a photo lol

[feral geyser]

I mean, do you want the blueprint file or just a photo?

[terse flower]

I can’t download stuff since no wifi so I’ll copy the photo from my phone

[feral geyser]

Oh yeah, shit 😭

[terse flower]

Can I dm you?

[fluid sapphire]

any pipe wizard take a crack at this?
#screenshots message

[naive scroll]

Is elevator a must for you guys

i have 19 points....

[feral geyser]

Sure

[terse flower]

It says I can’t connect to my game at all- (I have no wifi, I mean literally none)

[feral geyser]

I made a blueprint of a field shelter shack, complete with windows, locking door, Crafting Table, Equipment Workshop, and MAM.

[feral geyser]

Load settings > session offline

[naive scroll]

hmm ok maybe windows is cool

[terse flower]

I fixed it

[feral geyser]

Cuz i would be out hunting and have to go afk every so often.

[tacit ocean]

just thought of something. Would you people think a vertical pipe creator would be useful (like the conveyer elevator where you can go straight up with no need to connect it to another pipe?

[naive scroll]

windows are soo ocool

[feral geyser]

You can do that with wall mounts/floorholes

[naive scroll]

makes it feel like im in an airport i love it

[tacit ocean]

looks like I need that as am trying to go ~60m straight up and the pipes are making me compilate life

[terse flower]

DMs.

Is there a way to organise the order or the dimensional depot

[feral geyser]

Sadly no.

[naive scroll]

damn i cant stop playing..

one question are there roofs somewhere

oh wait i found it

fiscit roof and corners?

[silk ocean]

Foundations? xD

[naive scroll]

no no there are actual roofs foundation are so ugly

[silk ocean]

Architecture -> Roofs xD

[naive scroll]

yeah i found it 😄

[somber monolith]

Does anyone have the colour code for heavy oil residue?

[silk ocean]

I have the architectural/design capability of an amoeba so never use them, the best building I can make is foundations and walls XD

[feral geyser]

I just opened up the wiki picture in MS Paint, eyedroppered a color from it, and called it a day 😂

[dense violet]

if you google that you'd find it pretty fast

[somber monolith]

I didn’t think it’d be on google

[dense violet]

there'll probably be a reddit post with a bunch of the colour codes. You can find most things using google

[silk ocean]

Kinda like that in #screenshots ? xD

[somber monolith]

I think so looks close enough

[feral geyser]

For anyone who follows OSHA out there, Safety Yellow is #BCFF00

[naive scroll]

damn that game got really good

[silk ocean]

AI claims that it's #AE1CD7

Hi, do you know the color code / html color code for Heavy Oil Residue in Satisfactory? Kinda purple-ish xD

[somber monolith]

Can you paint patterns cause I can’t figure out how

Nvm figured it out

[naive scroll]

is the steeled frame better than modular frame or is it the same thing

[split pewter]

does it cost less screws

[somber monolith]

If ur asking if it’s 2 diffrent items they both produces modular frames just takes diffrent items

[split pewter]

one produces faster

[naive scroll]

yeah just pipes and reinforced plates but i think reinforced plate costs me screws yeah

[somber monolith]

I think steeled would

[naive scroll]

ok gotcha

rn anything heavy plate needs screws

need to go explore a bit... but i still need to automate like 4 things right now

motor stator wiring and framework

[somber monolith]

Early game I think normal is better as steel takes a lot of work to make

[split pewter]

but if you have plenty of steel to spare..

definitely

[naive scroll]

rn i automated steel

[split pewter]

so overall use it

[somber monolith]

Yeah but u need a ton

[naive scroll]

and i got the pipe steel i can make with iron

and i have a ton of iron nodes around me

[somber monolith]

Where r u

[split pewter]

how many steel are mou paking mer yinute

[naive scroll]

nw desert

that place where there are 4 coal nodes and like 10 iron nodes

[somber monolith]

Nice I think u could make it using that instead maybe just check if it’s more recourse efficient

[naive scroll]

well i have so much iron so i think i can go for it

and i dont have that much coal since i went ahead and did 32 coal plants xD

[somber monolith]

The one near the beach or 2 pure near north?

[naive scroll]

yeah

[split pewter]

fyi : use a different node for steel

[naive scroll]

near the beach

[split pewter]

coal power plants sharing steel production isnt well

[naive scroll]

i dont have a choice right now...

[split pewter]

dang

[naive scroll]

the next coal area is 1.5 km away

[somber monolith]

There’s a good area for steel near a crater in far NE and north of desert there’s 2 pure

[split pewter]

underclock all of them by like 25

[naive scroll]

yeah i went there

but im far away to do anything with it

[somber monolith]

Where did u build ur base? I built mine central desert so I could get everything at similar distance

[naive scroll]

along the coast honestly where i started

and im still trying to optimise the entire area

[silk ocean]

Desert for me, which is good until you start to get into like Alumina and things like Bauxite are a zillion miles away XD

[naive scroll]

ah

for fuel the next thing ill aim is rocket fuel or whatever everyone says its great

[somber monolith]

I’d recommend setting up infrastructure to get to northern desert as there’s so much stuff

[naive scroll]

wait let me show you

[somber monolith]

Rocket fuel is kinda late mid game I think

Turbo is best before then or regular

[naive scroll]

yeah turbo fuel? i forget

[split pewter]

ocing fuel generators, turbo fuel generates more than fuel

[naive scroll]

where can i show you guys where im at

[split pewter]

press m

[naive scroll]

no i mean on discord i cant show screens here

[somber monolith]

Screen shots

[split pewter]

send it in #screenshots

and right click the message, copy link, and send it here

[naive scroll]

yeah check it

my base is between the coal and iron

and two of those coal nodes are shared between making steal beems and powering up factory

[somber monolith]

Oh NE desert I thought u meant NW desert mb

[naive scroll]

i made a factory there and i have levels to it

yeah north east my bad

[somber monolith]

No I misread u good

[naive scroll]

i said nw its my bad 😄

oh right i am north west omg

so tired

[silk ocean]

Rocky Desert

[naive scroll]

yeah

im trying to maximise the iron stuff

so iron pipe and all is great here

[somber monolith]

I haven’t even headed that way yet it’s so far from me

You prob got it easy to get to oil I gotta build over a 250m mountain to get over to the ocean area

[naive scroll]

yup nitro fuel or whatever is right above it lmao

its with nitrogen gas right?

so up there is my power grid pretty much and i made 20 biofuel earlier for the luls

[somber monolith]

Turbo fuel is made of coal and sulfur with regular fuel

Not nitrogen idk what nitrogen makes

[naive scroll]

yeah there is one sulfur node

idk where to get fuel no idea how its made yet

[somber monolith]

It’s only used for space elevator stuff

[naive scroll]

yeah the area below me has 9 iron nodes so its kinda op right now

[somber monolith]

It’s in teir 5 u unlock oil production and at the begging to make plastic and stuff and at end of teir 5 u get fuel power

[naive scroll]

ah

[somber monolith]

Head east at top of map tons of oil 2 pure 2 reg and like 6 impure

[terse flower]

Should I make as much alien dna as I can (from my storage) and then sink it all?

[naive scroll]

there is a lot of oil in the forest biome next to me

[somber monolith]

Use somersloop to tripple it

[somber monolith]

You’d wanna use a ocean as water doubles fuel production

[naive scroll]

yeah no worries

[somber monolith]

Not tripple quadruple it mb

[terse flower]

I am. But do I use it all or keep some?

[naive scroll]

already using the ocean xD

[somber monolith]

Wdym keep and use

[terse flower]

Idk. For crafting stuff or just sink all dna

[somber monolith]

You’ll be happy when u get pure copper and iron

[naive scroll]

look in screens my coal production xD

i already have those 2

[somber monolith]

U can’t craft anything with it just sink it

[somber monolith]

U mean if u put water and fuel together in a blender it gives 2x more fuel

For oil production

[naive scroll]

yeah i guess so

[somber monolith]

Btw I’d get oil soon cause then u can use all that coal for steel

[naive scroll]

im never getting rid of my coal factory

xD

i spent two damn days doing this

[somber monolith]

One fuel generator makes 250mw and one pure oil node makes 26.67 generators so 6,666,67

How’d it take you two days did you not use an app to calculate it? Mine took like 4 hrs

[naive scroll]

the coal stays 😤

because i am new T_T

i started 4 days ago

[somber monolith]

Same I only started a week ago

[naive scroll]

AND i wanted it to look good

[somber monolith]

U got coal a lot faster than me

[naive scroll]

i honestly had trouble starting it up i have burnout right now so its tougher to do stuff

[somber monolith]

Yeah I just make 2 line and made it look decent

[naive scroll]

so i sat on the idea for hours xD

no i made it big, like 36 coal factory with lines vertical etc

look in #screenshots i sent it

ignore the spaghetti with lines of coal

[somber monolith]

Sick mine looks pretty similar just a little smaller

How much power u producing?

[naive scroll]

right now 2160 mw

oh i think 1200 actually it says prod 1200 but capacity is 2.1k

[somber monolith]

Capacity is how much ur making

[naive scroll]

yeap

not all the coal engines are on right now

i have to optimise the belts but i chose to automate steel and other stuff instead

[somber monolith]

Are u using mk2 miners with mk3 belts?

[naive scroll]

not everywhere yet

the first base is stil on the old stuff

[somber monolith]

Mk2 mines overclocked for coal makes 240 so could help boost ur power production without having to redo anything

[split pewter]

quadrouple*

[somber monolith]

Yeah I corrected myself

[naive scroll]

i did overclock coal yeah thats the only one i did

[split pewter]

didnt see that

[naive scroll]

everything else is normal

i am keeping my power slugs and all

[somber monolith]

Here

[somber monolith]

Wait till u can use somersloop to double it

[split pewter]

yes, with just one you can get 10 power shards from just one purple

i wish i knew about somersloops sooner

[somber monolith]

Same I prob wasted just over 40 shards

[crisp edge]

lmao wait a minute. i just imported a blueprint from satisfactory tools into my game. i was just wondering why there were water pipes involved in a heavy modular frame factory. i loaded it up and built it and found that it had the pure iron ingot recipe in a refinery, which is something i haven't discovered yet. you mean to tell me that i can just use whatever recipes are set in buildings even if i don't have them yet, just by using imported blueprints? busted af. almost worth just having a set blueprint file that has your favorite recipes in each constructor and assembler and such just to have them on hand in new saves

[somber monolith]

Well downloading blueprints isn’t intended so ofc it’s broken

[dense violet]

I mean, you're effectively cheating already by using other people's factories. And you can mod whatever you want.

so yes, actively adding things to a save that you don't have access too is pretty busted

[crisp edge]

if it weren't intended they'd have just tied blueprints into a cloud save of some kind. given that they kind of encourage modding it doesn't seem like something they'd frown on

[dense violet]

Just use Advanced Game settings to give you all the recipes instead of thinking you found some sort of magic loophole

or a mod

[crisp edge]

i'm not trying to find some magic loophole, and i'm not sure that cheating exists in the same sense as multiplayer games where exploiting the game has a negative impact on other players. I was just poking around and discovered the blueprints section of the website and having a look, because building blueprints is something i've just started working on. I've spent my last few play sessions building my own blueprint popup factories from scratch for the basic resources, rather than just paying for total eclipse's patreon or something and just importing a ton of cool things he's done.

I'm just trying to enjoy the game vanilla for my first playthrough and discovered a thing i thought was neat and weird, came here to talk about it, and kind of feel negatively about this interaction now.

[dense violet]

you're importing extra things you didn't make in your game - so overriding teh basic rules

And if you want to turn your sand box into that? sure do whatever you want. But you are avoiding game mechanics with 3rd party things

it's like saying dowloading a mod that does whatever for you isn't breaking the rules of the games. Of course it is

[glad drum]

thats pretty cool ty i didnt know that

You can do that and still get achievements (I believe) which is pretty neat

[crisp edge]

i'm not importing things willy nilly into my save. i specifically said i just loaded up this one singular blueprint because i didn't understand why the creator had water pipes in a modular frame factory. because i had no idea there was an ingot recipe that includes it.

While i'm not 'overriding basic rules' though, I don't know what basic rules you're talking about. i didn't see a list of rules anywhere telling me how i can and can't play the game. I'm also not avoiding game mechanics or using some third party thing, unless you're going to tell me that setting up a production line in satisfactory calculator is now somehow against the spirit of the imaginary rules.

Why is it that when someone posts something like I did, just excited at finding something new that they learned, someone always has to jump in with negative sentiment? Would it have been so hard to just be like 'yeah man pretty crazy isn't it?' or just say nothing at all?

[glad drum]

I like it because I feel like unlocking EVERYTHING takes away too much fun but unlocking 1 or 2 recipes you REALLY like while still maintaining your save integrity makes this a fantastic alternative

[dense violet]

because you're pretending that bringing in an external file to your game that overides the rules is normal? anyway if it makes you feel better calling it something else, you do you.

[dense violet]

and there's advanced game settings specifically for that

[glad drum]

but i just said unlocking everything takes away too much fun

[tacit ocean]

i just went into a no limit build and modified it so it worked for what i needed when having this problem

just resave it as a different name

[crisp edge]

why do you keep tunneling in on the fact that i brought one file in that i'm not even going to use, i just wanted to learn. you're making it sound like i've just skipped straight to endgame and my entire playthrough is essentially someone else's but i'm out here talking about how cool my build is. i'm just a guy who discovered a thing and tried to talk to people who actually know what the heck i'm talking about because my wife sure as hell wouldn't care even a little or get it

[crisp edge]

i'm still not going to go seeking out other better alt recipes loaded into blueprints because i want to discovere everything organically my first time through. like you said i don't want to take away from my own experience. this game reminds me of the first time i played subnautica, where experiencing it as blind as possible for the first few dozen hours was a really fun and cool experience

[tacit ocean]

so now instead of my blueprints using mk. 6 conveyers they use mk 3

[ivory condor]

Personally I only have negative impressions of satisfactory tool blueprints in general, which is why I would only recommend against using it

[naive scroll]

but alt recipes from hard drives are in the game its not ruining your experience to do that

[glad drum]

oh yeah first time through I'd agree, this is like my 3rd or 4th

[glad drum]

oh why is that?

[ivory condor]

Destroys game performance

[crisp edge]

from what i've seen while perusing, i think i'd have to agree. i haven't seen much that looks like i'd want to bring it in. if i were going to bring in BP's, i'd likely do it from a content creator who has made a video on a thing and made the BP available

[glad drum]

LOL oh do you mean those ones that are made up of like 10,000 signs

[ivory condor]

I copied a factory and pasted it into another save, the resulting factory ran at about 5 fps

[crisp edge]

can confirm that loading that HMF BP into my game dropped me to 12 fps for over a minute while it build

[naive scroll]

all that IRON

[glad drum]

I used hundreds of blueprints (I think I have over 700 in a folder on my other save) for aesthetics - like trees or the Breaking Bad RV or gas station builds etc. etc.

fighter jet, spheres, star wars-esque doors

[feral geyser]

Yeah, I didn't realize this either until I got the Turbo Heavy Fuel recipe from a hard drive, then realized my buddy's BP had been making it for the last week. It's a bit goofy too, cuz you can save blueprints of higher tier than you have access to, or that have machines you haven't unlocked (which may crash your game, I've heard)

[ivory condor]

No worse its a perfectly fine factory, problem is apparently satisfactory tools blueprints is horrible incompatible with the game, resulting in saves becoming unplayable

[glad drum]

ah gotcha i've never used that one so its probably why

[crisp edge]

holy crap so you could lose a save you've spent hundreds of hours on from it

[ivory condor]

Vanilla blueprints are fine, its the one the sf tool uses that isnt

[ivory condor]

Well sort of, I definitely wouldn't want to play a save at 5 fps

[crisp edge]

oh so it doesn't corrupt the save, you could just delete the offending structure from your save and be fine

[ivory condor]

Aka why I have stopped using sf tool blueprints

[glad drum]

I have no use for blueprints for this playthrough, everything has to be custom --- #screenshots message

almost have my water hooked up for coal, god I hope it works

[somber monolith]

How can I fix that annoying slight curve at the end of straight belts it keeps happening after going up down left or right

[crisp edge]

if you have problems, i'm no veteran but i've just crossed 100 hours of playtime and i love solving problems

[glad drum]

I'm hoping the water tower kinda thing in the middle fixes the pressure across the entire system

[crisp edge]

i think probably make sure the start point of the belt is snapped to the world grid

[somber monolith]

Always is I don’t build off of a foundation it still happens

[crisp edge]

then idk

[somber monolith]

Like a 1degree curve at the end and it messes up all straight conveyers

[crisp edge]

as long as your math is right you'll be fine

i've been swapping to default mode when that happens and then going back to straight. it's not perfect but it lets me get back on track

[feral geyser]

Try building the poles first, then place the belts on them

[somber monolith]

I do end up doing that but it’s so annoying cause I can’t figure out max length easy

Does anyone know optimal setup for fuel generators I hate figuring out liquids

They suck

Bad

Very bad

[feral geyser]

liquid suck

Like, space-saving, or what?

[somber monolith]

No what’s optimal way I always see people have a like then it’s splits off into 6 then another split off into another 6 next to it and not just a line of gens

[feral geyser]

Well, if you operate at top pipe speed, a Mk2 pipe can feed 30 of them by itself

[crisp edge]

my current setup is two 240 oil nodes into 8 refineries, which lead to 16 gens

gives me 4000 mw of power

[somber monolith]

Why 240 and not 300?

[feral geyser]

No overclock

[crisp edge]

base pure node extraction speed

[feral geyser]

But also you definitely should overclock that extractor

[somber monolith]

Does pure go to 600?

[crisp edge]

yes

[feral geyser]

Yes

[somber monolith]

Good my power plant will be goated

And take forever

[feral geyser]

Then if you dilute the fuel also

Stonks

One pure vein can become 1600/min of fuel with the right alts

[somber monolith]

I have not heard the word stonks since like 2020

[feral geyser]

Yes, I am old

[crisp edge]

lmao funny story. earlier today i saw a video from doc and decided to overclock one extractor to 600. quickly realized that would run 10 refineries, and didn't want to rework my foundations right that moment to scaled it back to 480. then did my math wrong overclocking all of my generators and running the fuel dry, then fixed it and filled the lines with fuel again, then finally realized my mk1 pipes couldn't handle 480 so my refineries weren't getting enough oil

[plain gate]

fuel is 3:8 now?

[crisp edge]

so now i'm just working on automating HMF so that i can unlock MK2 pipes

[plain gate]

i swear it was 1:3

[crisp edge]

refinery eats 60 oil/min now, idk what it was before

[plain gate]

last i played it was 1 crude: 1:1:1 plastic rubber fuel

[crisp edge]

so pure is 1:4

[plain gate]

so 1:3 final ie

[feral geyser]

3:4 with Heavy Oil Residue recipe, then 1,2:2 with water for Diluted Fuel.

[somber monolith]

You can use diluted fuel to make more fuel by using water

[crisp edge]

oh. yeah i think that's still true. i want to say it's 60 fuel, 30 plastic 30 rubber, then you can make a little more by using the waste products

[plain gate]

yeah i am aware

ahh makes sense

[feral geyser]

THEN, you take that and blend it into rocket fuel

Then you crush up the compacted coal and snort it

[somber monolith]

I love me compact coal lines

[crisp edge]

makes me think of the hispanic dude from the first arc of breaking bad, the one walt first sells his meth to

[feral geyser]

So good for ammo factories

[feral geyser]

Never watched that show, seen that clip though

[crisp edge]

how he snorts the drugs off his big ass knife and then has a nice hyped reaction

[somber monolith]

Are ammo factory’s even worth it cause u only need so much ammo

[feral geyser]

I mean, its nice to have a supply uploading, and you can sink overflows. It's just another thing to automate

[somber monolith]

Fair

[feral geyser]

The only one you can't fully automated in vanilla is Gas Nobs, cuz of the biomass.

But you fill up a container of wood or mycelia and you're good for a long while.

[shy fog]

I have a weirdness thought... so I must ask... how much "silly" can we do with blueprints?

[halcyon dawn]

dont oil extractors scale in from 150-300-600?

[feral geyser]

60-120-240 at regular clock

[halcyon dawn]

ah

[crisp edge]

wdym

[halcyon dawn]

sometimes you can clip them

[feral geyser]

Maybe....?
#screenshots message

[crisp edge]

you can build normally within them, so clipping is legal, yeah

[halcyon dawn]

no i mean you can clip the blueprints into eachother

[shy fog]

I have want to make a foundation set blueprint that allows me to build an entire path from where I start so I can single click my road into existance...

[crisp edge]

i see nothing wrong here

[halcyon dawn]

making completetly illegal builds

[feral geyser]

Unbuildable

Requires over 100 stacks of items, impossible even with dimensional storage and max inventory (78 slots)

[crisp edge]

oh well i'm sure you can build them clipping into each otehr a bit, but if you were thinking of making a blueprint, then trying to place it in the blueprint builder with the build gun multiple times, no

[crisp edge]

lies

[feral geyser]

Unbuildable without mods

[halcyon dawn]

like put a mk1 into a mk3?

[crisp edge]

i will build it right now

[feral geyser]

I encourage you to try

[crisp edge]

i'm not sure what you're asking

[feral geyser]

I'll send the file

[halcyon dawn]

putting a mk1 blue print maker in a mk 3 blue print maker?

[crisp edge]

#screenshots message

there just did it

[halcyon dawn]

did we just copy the same image?

[feral geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/clap-slowclap-notimpressed-gif-8195521

[crisp edge]

i mean you can't even put a blueprint into the maker with the gun. you must load it from the blueprint console

[halcyon dawn]

but the maker itself

[halcyon dawn]

also this is false

[feral geyser]

objectively wrong

[shy fog]

alright... guess I need to go make a godmode game client and use it to make my own set...

[somber monolith]

Is it just me or does the game get unbareably laggy when building and opening menus at 8 hrs and need a refresh or is smth wrong with my pc

[crisp edge]

teach me your ways, because i was like 'oh i'll put 4 smelters into a blueprint, then clear the builder, then try to put it down to create a new blueprint but with multiple sets of 4 smelters and it was just an illegal placement, all red

[halcyon dawn]

were you confident the hitbox was fully in?

[feral geyser]

idk man, you just do it. if it fits, it sits.

[halcyon dawn]

exactly

[crisp edge]

yeah, then i decided to go googling and asking gpt and the consensus i got was that i couldn't place a blueprint with the gun in the maker

[halcyon dawn]

it was prob clipping somewhere

[plush dawn]

i noticed that machines will retain their recipes in a blueprint even if the recipe is not unlocked when placing it

[halcyon dawn]

and how did you find out?

[feral geyser]

yes, we mentioned this a bit earlier tonight

[halcyon dawn]

but that still makes sense

[feral geyser]

if you get a blueprint from someone else, this will happen

[halcyon dawn]

i see

[plush dawn]

i was just designing it in creative and moved it over to regular

[crisp edge]

taht is also a scenario that makes sense

[plush dawn]

specifically for my aluminum build where i used all of the silica i could and turned the rest into ingots with pure aluminum recipe instead

[somber monolith]

Is it just me or does the game get unbareably laggy when building and opening menus at 8 hrs and need a refresh or is smth wrong with my pc

[feral geyser]

you actually get a worse conversion rate on that recipe

[plush dawn]

yeah but i didnt have any leftover silica to use

[feral geyser]

it does save you from making silica and using foundries, but that difference can add up

[somber monolith]

What’s best for aluminium

[plush dawn]

i used all of the silica i could with the normal recipe

[glad drum]

I fear I fundamentally misunderstood how the water tower works and have to rethink my entire design 😢 it has to be connected to the END of your other water pumps so that it pushes the water towards the water tower, right?

[feral geyser]

doing the refinery/blender Dissolved Silica route make sooo much of both of them

[atomic notch]

Check shadow quality and like conveyor rendering those ones will have a bigger effect the more you build

[feral geyser]

ah, okay, so the pure ingots is just for whatever was OVER the silica's capacity?

[somber monolith]

It’s not to much builds it just lags once I hit 8 hrs played in a session

[vast ivy]

can a drone be set to stay at the port until it's been fully loaded or unloaded? like you can for a train?

[feral geyser]

it does that already (the fully unloaded part, not the fully loaded part)

[somber monolith]

Is there not a timer section?

[vast ivy]

oh sweet. i'm just getting into drones. couldn't fine this info anywhere else

[plush dawn]

ye

[feral geyser]

makes perfect sense then

[dense violet]

all a water tower does is increase headlift. Like a pump.
are you just trying to replicate a pump?

[feral geyser]

but yeah, the two-step process for raw quartz is crazy good, if you can make the nitric acid

[plush dawn]

i also use it for silica for buildings because i dont care to make silica factory yet so sometimes capacity is fully offloaded onto pure aluminum recipe

[feral geyser]

But--but... without silica, how will you make pretty windows? 🥺

[halcyon dawn]

i remember at my QUANTUM computer factory, i didnt use all the quartz so i finally made silica for the situation

[crisp edge]

i'm 103 hours into my first save and the only time i've touched quartz was to rush the research tree so i could get blade runners. and i mined it by hand 😂

[halcyon dawn]

this is real

i never really cared for the quartz tree

cant you make belt compressers with priority mergers now? that would be my only interest now

[crisp edge]

i keep wanting to decorate with glass and remembering that i never automated quartz and just keep thinking i'll get to it

[plush dawn]

i only touched quartz ores with an actual miner untill i needed to make cd players

[halcyon dawn]

cd players lmfao

[glad drum]

Yeah, basically - I just wanted to make sure they can all do the fun little ascent before twisting around and going towards the coal generators but not have to use 9-27 pumps

[plush dawn]

search the wiki for "cd player"

[halcyon dawn]

i know what they are

[crisp edge]

the fact that i know exactly what you're talking about lmao

[halcyon dawn]

you want believe it, i also know what floppy discs, cassets, tapes, and record are

[plush dawn]

“This is definitely a CD player."
~ Josh from Let's Game It Out

[dense violet]

move the coal to the water instead
or better yet, find coal next to water.
there's more coal+water spots than not

[glad drum]

Not an option

Cause of just the way I'm deciding to play

[burnt ferry]

damn.. i think i found an indestructible shroom

[glad drum]

#screenshots message

I think maybe it's how I connected the water tower to the other pipes

I kinda just attached it to the system willy nilly and didn't consider the position of the exit of the water tower

[crisp edge]

you remember when i offered to help solve any flow problems you might have? i take it back.

[glad drum]

also a section of pipe randomly deleted and im not sure when that happened or where it was coming from LOL

[halcyon dawn]

was there some insperation from a certain youtuber?

[glad drum]

partially - it mostly comes from the sounds my friends make when I show them my world >:)

[halcyon dawn]

fair enough

[glad drum]

i'm gonna scrap the water tower though and just use pumps on each one and cross my fingers

[halcyon dawn]

i tried to make a sushi belt+train work once and everyone got so mad, i didnt split them items soon enough so eventually it clogged

[gritty sleet]

Is the shatter ammo for the rebar gun worthwhile?

[obsidian jewel]

if i have a factory outputtiing 2 resources onto their own trains, do i need 2 stations or can i make 2 different trains that only pick up from specific loaders

[burnt ferry]

material is per wagon

[halcyon dawn]

so what you do is each train has a head (obv), but one cart has 1 wagon, while the other has 2 heads and a wagon

thats what i can think of

[burnt ferry]

youonly need two heads if you have a pushback station

[halcyon dawn]

are you saying theres just a way to do what he asked

[halcyon dawn]

the second head is just the fill the gap :P

[burnt ferry]

if you have two mats you put two freight stations and two wagons... not that complicated

[obsidian jewel]

yeah i have a factory making 2 780 belts of rubber and 5 of plastic

[burnt ferry]

you can also load two different mats into the same freight stations

[obsidian jewel]

and i want those to be able to go to different places

[gritty sleet]

Trains can be set to only load or unload specific things at a certain station. I've got one station that two different trains visit. Just don't try to mix individual platforms

[burnt ferry]

however thats hard to manage such that both materials dont block eacho ther. better to have separate freight stations

[halcyon dawn]

yeah you need more than 1 cart so youre just gonna need 2 different stations i think

[obsidian jewel]

i guess i can just have 2 trains picking up both resources but they only ever output one of them in different places

[halcyon dawn]

yeah you either have 2 stations or a train that goes to both locations and 1 station

[burnt ferry]

you can have any number of trains if different targets are required... as long as enough mats are produced

you need a second station if you need additional configurations of freight wagons... like if you have a train that has plastic, rubber, motors, computers in that order but then you have a station requiring plastic, caterium wire and aluminum then you cant provide this from the same source station

another reason for a second station is trains entering from both sides... but you need to be careful with that as you can have trains with flipped order of material then.. has me blocked quiet a few production lines already

[lament skiff]

What is up guys!?

[glad drum]

CURVED PIPES SUCK

[willow glen]

satisfactory makes trains so large, that i really want to use bidirectional trains to make my train stops smaller (locomotive-freight cars-locomotive configuration).
but that leads to so many issues, specifically with trains that can visit multiple stops, since every time they visit a stop their orientation is flipped!
as a train enthusiast i like the challenge, but if i were new to trains i would never make stations that need trains to reverse out of them. too limiting

[lament skiff]

I am a curved pipe

[dusky temple]

huh

[willow glen]

curve > noodle

[gritty sleet]

I assume this is probably a bug, but I'd blown up some rocks and killed the spiders behind them, but when I reloaded the same with me still next to those rocks, the rocks are back and so are the spiders :/

[lament skiff]

hello goober

[willow glen]

spiders respawning is not a bug.
rocks respawning might be tho.

[gritty sleet]

Literally right next to a well pressurizer, the spawner should be disabled

[burnt ferry]

spiders have 8 legs

[willow glen]

ya i have a factory that has a hog that keeps spawning inside it, machines powered and everything, its really strange. only happens when i load too, if i travel across the map and come back there's no hog to report of

i think that might be related to the factory technically starting at 0 power on load.... it can cause some issues with really strained grids too

[burnt ferry]

in my savegame foundation is preventing aliens from spawning, no power required

[gritty sleet]

Only with sufficient foundations built

[burnt ferry]

i can imagein that hog spawning in some left over space thats actually to small and then gets pushed into the fac...

[willow glen]

ah, that might be it, he spawns nearby a pathway, and just kind wanders into my factory since its unobstructed

[burnt ferry]

but when i load the game some of them manual resource depots respawn as welll.. like even in places where i had to mine them to be able to put a platform there

[willow glen]

not a far wonder in this case, totally plausable.

their spawn is right across a train track i specifically didnt put foundation on

[burnt ferry]

ye.. they will wander inside them facs if spawn next to them

[willow glen]

didnt even think foundation affected it, ty

[burnt ferry]

as far as i understood everything you build

just dont know exactly how.. but im covering everyting in foundations anyway

[willow glen]

i know powered facilities affect it (aparently not the train tracks themselves tho, just the stations and things powered off them)

but i think that only happens after you load in, if you load on top of a spawner with a powered machine (and no foundation) nearby, does the fauna exist? i havent tried.

[burnt ferry]

i think its as simple as: they wont spawn underneath a foundation when theres like no space to the ground (and some headspace on top as well i guess) and they wont spawn ON foundations either

hence you can stop spawning by covering the ground

[willow glen]

pave the world, noted

[burnt ferry]

mwga

or mwca make world concrete again

[gritty sleet]

Everything effects it, but there's a certain threshold to cross, and different items add different numbers to reach that threshold

Iirc powered buildings should automatically stop spawns within 150m, but foundations need to have a lot more present to add up to the threshold

[burnt ferry]

i doubt that 150m

25m maybe

[willow glen]

well i can say i havent noticed any spawner ive paved over to be active, its always a nearby spawner that i didnt pave over but i paved nearby

less than 50m

[gritty sleet]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Combat#Creature_respawn_mechanism

[prisma thicket]

Hmmmm haven't played in a couple months, do I start fresh or try to go back to a save and figure out wtf I was doing?

[gritty sleet]

150m powered buildings, smaller radius for foundations

[feral geyser]

Start fresh, then go back once you're warmed up

[burnt ferry]

delete all old savegames i say

[burnt ferry]

i def have closer spawns at my main base

[gritty sleet]

Dunno what to tell you, I don't have closer spawns lol

[burnt ferry]

but maybe powerpole doesnnt count as powered building

[gritty sleet]

It probably doesn't count

Actually I'm positive it doesn't count, because I've had stuff respawn consistently near power towers

[feral geyser]

Same

[willow glen]

ahhh ok so when you load in the game disables all spawners within 150 meters. that means you cant load into an unpaved but powered spawner (since power doesnt exist initially on load, apparently).
and since 150 meters kinda seems to be the spawn limit, i assume its ignoring Z axis (vertical height) here, that matches with what i see

and ya there is a threshold, one powered machine isnt enough, but i think its like 2.5 within the radius or something ive easily met usually

[burnt ferry]

150m is 36 foundations

[gritty sleet]

A single powered miner is enough to disable spawners. I've tested this.

[feral geyser]

150/8 = 18.75

[burnt ferry]

certainly not for the gbeanflicker

ahr ight.. 8 meters.. .always forget

[willow glen]

i think a single constructor isnt, so its likely 4.5mw threshold?

[gritty sleet]

Wiki says powered building, dunno

Depends on where the spawn point itself is relative to that building

[boreal musk]

bio burner is a powered building too

just add 1 biomass and connect to a pole

[burnt ferry]

wait a minute.. theres two spitters i just killed walking in my new water generatating outpost

and its powered

[gritty sleet]

They might need to be killed the first time, and then don't respawn? I dunno, the implementation seems a bit buggy.

[burnt ferry]

🤔 my game crashd while i made the outpost but i had a large powertower there already

[gritty sleet]

Power tower doesn't count

It doesn't consume power

[burnt ferry]

considering altitude 150m mightnot be as much 🤔

[azure ermine]

I now have all the hard drives except the one that takes a superposition thingamajig to get

tier 9 is ages away

I also have 46 hard drives to scan and that's almost 8 hours

[terse flower]

I just completed phase 3.

Yet I still need to make a proper factory for so many things

[prisma thicket]

You don't need the one with that requires the superposition oscillator anyways, if you have all the others you have more than enough. There's 118 in the game and only 113 recipes to unlock/research with them

[azure ermine]

nice

most of those hard drives probably won't scan yet until I unlock more stuff

[glad drum]

#screenshots message
I think I fixed it - I just scrapped the water tower attempt and used a couple pumps on each water extractor pipe

also had to change the first pipes all from CURVED because you can't add pumps to those... very annoying.

[crisp edge]

did you run into any backflow problems with the pipes?

[prisma thicket]

😵‍💫

[azure ermine]

that would be a heck of a water slide

[glad drum]

I think that was causing some of the problems, yeah - so far it seems OK but it's hard to tell. Once I have them connected to the coal generators, It'll be easier to see lol

[glad drum]

RIGHT?

I spoke too soon.

[terse flower]

Where would the best place to build a large storage

[glad drum]

#screenshots message
I've never seen this loading icon in a pipe before

[glad drum]

Along the waterfalls in the western side of the desert!

[prisma thicket]

Hmmmmm Dune Desert or Grass Fields for a fresh start...

[crisp edge]

I have, it usually goes away after a minute

[willow glen]

put something in the pipe

[crisp edge]

that's the issue, they're waiting for something to get in it

[thick oak]

The forest is most pretty, I always start there.

[glad drum]

hm yeah I deleted the pipe then replaced it and it started filling

[crisp edge]

i hate the junction bugs

[willow glen]

grass fields is default, its made to expand out of.
dune desert has soooo much iron, you'll want to expand within it. but oil sucks.
might i suggest rocky desert instead, it offers better oil and lots of good resource nodes to build a large base within it.

[willow glen]

me too. i'm sorry.

[prisma thicket]

I dislike the verticality of it, that's why I ruled it out.

[somber monolith]

Do conveyors take power or smth my power grid spiked up after placing new belts

[glad drum]

Yeah it's like... disconnecting the pipes in between the pipe support - so I can't see the disconnection

[thick oak]

Oof, what do you dislike about dune desert?

[terse flower]

I went in the Forrest twice, i don’t know how people start there. I got jumped by like 3 green spiders

[thick oak]

Super pro strats called hiding in a box you built with a gun. ^-^

[prisma thicket]

I've done Rocky desert for the past 3 fresh starts, otherwise I would.

[dense violet]

different part of the forest. The starting area is calm

[terse flower]

But they tickled me :(. it wasn’t fun

[willow glen]

i hate northern forest start. i tried it twice and honestly unless you have a master plan for those pure nodes that involves lots of verticality, skip it. dune desert is the better "hard mode" start

[crisp edge]

what do you mean by verticality

[thick oak]

Woah that's a lot of worlds! Have you finished any of them?

[prisma thicket]

Lol no xD I'm terrible about that, I usually get to phase 3/4 and then take a break... then come back and forget what the hell I was doing so I start over

[thick oak]

Do you play with other people? That may help keep on track.

[willow glen]

you're gonna hit a cliff edge if you try to build in any organized fashion without having at least 3 floors to start. probably 5 or more. thats just too much dang walking before blade runners for me. but if you have a plan and wanna do it, go for it

[prisma thicket]

Unfortunately I do not have friends 🙁

[warm phoenix]

🤝

[crisp edge]

i didn't unlock blade runners until 65 hours into my playthrough because i didn't realize they were in the quartz tree. misery.

[thick oak]

Is that not why there's a discord for this? That's why I joined like five minutes ago. Tired of building my stoopid iron factory all by myself and needed a break.

[crisp edge]

see that's what i thought too, but i was hoping for voice channels with people streaming while others backseated them or people playing together. there is an lfg section of the server but i haven't bothered to try to use ityet

[glad drum]

If you want spaghetti added to your world, I'm your man - I'll get that iron factory up and running and you'll NEVER want to touch it ever again

[gritty sleet]

I think it's new in 1.1

[glad drum]

It's nice that it indicates an error in the piping at least --- sucks that the error/disconnection is happening at all though

[willow glen]

i know its always said "none" before but now that you bring it up, i dont exactly remember the spinning circle "loading" icon

[thick oak]

Oh no you'd hate my world. I'm slowly learning how to make things pretty.

[thick oak]

You should recruit people!

[crisp edge]

recruit them to do what

[thick oak]

To play Satisfactory together?

[glad drum]

That's admirable! It's fun to make it look pretty (I just don't have the time, even though I'm spending TONS of time to make it look... uh... "pretty" in my own way)

[glad drum]

aw man I just realized yeah there's no vc 🙁

[crisp edge]

hello recruit #1, let's get it going

[gritty sleet]

They removed the voice channels a long time ago because people couldn't behave

[crisp edge]

right? so like you almost wanna be like 'hey if anyone wants to play join my server: posts link' but that's probably a no no

[crisp edge]

that sounds like a moderation problem to me. people are assholes, that's a proven fact

[thick oak]

My iron factory is only the third building in my world and it's making me just stare at the floor most of the time lol. I have to figure out how to post in screenshots and link it...

[willow glen]

#1201555265942724758
but honestly if you're looking to backseat other players, hit up twitch and youtube streams, specifically lower view count ones. try to avoid spoilers but also push them to discover cool stuff, like blade runners, bunny hopping, hypercannons, and scaling cliffsides with just a parachute

[gritty sleet]

It was a moderation problem they didn't have the resources to solve, so they're just disabled

[crisp edge]

lmao i wanted to come in and say 'hey i could use help could someone just hop on with me and give me some direction'. i didn't want to backseat anyone

[willow glen]

oh if you want good help the best place is #1038092680493801533, even if you get bad help at first someone will usually come around to course correct (like i do with trains)

[sterile blade]

@wicked nacelle Programmable Splitters are the only ones that can split belts evenly regardless of how many kinds of items a belt carries (all other splitters require first to split off the individual items for balancing)

[crisp edge]

yeah i can ask questions and people do answer, but i have yet to have someone say 'let's have a look together', it's just a rabbit hole of me typing on discord for 30-90 minutes and before i know it most of my play session has been me clarifying what i meant or answering questions or defending myself from that one random asshole who has to show up to every conversation

[glad drum]

BRO THESE PIPES OKAY ---- If you build a pipe, it ends in a support, right? But if you continue that pipe from that support, it doesn't connect it to the previous pipe... there's just a gap - wtf?

[glad drum]

You gotta post in this channel https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057 --- then copy message link by mousing over your sent message, clicking the 3 dots and then clicking "copy message link" then paste the link in here

[willow glen]

the main problem i have with joining other sessions is i gotta orient myself in the world, figure out my travel paths, and before all that get my gear made and in order: it depends a lot on whats depoted and its a lot of extra questions and pressure when just a few screenshots can easily solve it.

[crisp edge]

that all makes sense, but doesn't eliminate the possibility of screenshare and 'what am i doing wrong here?'

[willow glen]

you should definitely post those!
has anyone said otherwise? i'll fight em

[crisp edge]

post what?

[willow glen]

the screenshots or video of what you think is wrong

OBS can record videos extremely easily, as can snipping tool i believe? i usually use OBS if i need video

the in game tools are more than good enough for screenshots (photo mode, remote view)

[thick oak]

#screenshots message I got it!

[glad drum]

Medal is good too for quickly recording short clips

[prisma thicket]

If you're using Steam, there's a streaming feature built in now.

[glad drum]

Hell yeah dude! I love that first factory, that looks sick!

[thick oak]

The... the orange box?

[glad drum]

Nah the warehouse

and the wtf alien space ship that's wild

[thick oak]

Oh haha, thank you that's my iron building! The one I'm stuck on.

[thick oak]

I'd be happy to!

[peak wasp]

great to hear 🙂

afternoon, pioneers

[finite grove]

can i blow up those gas producing fungus tower things, or are they gonna be a permanent pain in the ass?

[thick oak]

Yes you can.

Hit box wise they can be a bit of a pain but with enough nobelisks and hatred anything is possible!

[peak wasp]

phasing out the spaghetti, but did a rush job because I want jetpack >_<

[rigid glen]

Explosive Rebar will become your best friend and stink rock eliminators 🙂

[boreal musk]

too bad not everything that can be blown up by nobelisk can be with ex rebar

[rigid glen]

I carry both anmyway, but Im not even sure what would be on that list

[glad drum]

But... why? Phase out spaghetti??

Anyone can build neat, 90 degree factories on a foundation - but your spaghetti is unique to YOU.

[thick oak]

Embrace the beauty of geometry! You can't run from it.

[glad drum]

Have you seen my screen shots? I'm beyond geometry.

[thick oak]

Yeah it looked like a pokemon...

[glad drum]

Thank you 🙂

[thick oak]

You're welcome!

[peak wasp]

omg the hoverpack is AMAZING

[peak wasp]

spaghett and forget

[thick oak]

I feel sluggish with it on, jetpack lets you be more wiggly in the air.

[limpid cairn]

same

its really good tho for building under platforms

[finite grove]

if a truck is travelling between two truck stations, would i be fine if i send over fuel to just one of those stations?

[thick oak]

As long as the truck can make 1 full trip on a tank of fuel.

[finite grove]

alright tysm

[thick oak]

Of course!

[limpid cairn]

is there a reason to learn alt recipes for packages since they are reuseable (besides for the jetpack)

[thick oak]

Crafting a package and sending it across the world to be used then sending the package back empty is a pain. If you're doing that, you just keep crafting packages on one side and sink them on the other. That's the only reason I can think of.

[limpid cairn]

realistically you are transporting the packages with drones / trains or any transport vehicle so you can just send the package back no?

[willow glen]

coated iron or steel can be pretty neat if you wanna package water, but otherwise yeah the alts are pretty useless (as are packages besides for jetpack or possibly drone fuel if you didnt go the battery route)

[peak wasp]

this is the only downside 🙁

[thick oak]

Oh if you're using a push pull train sure, but if you have one that does more than one thing I'd think that would be a pain to manage.

[peak wasp]

||Drones?! Nuclear?!|| let's go!!

[limpid cairn]

someone told me earlier that packaging gases is really good since they get compressed and the pressure can be used

[thick oak]

Oh, and you'd have to wait for the empty packages to be loaded onto the train, moved, refilled, and return while your factory grinds to a half.

[peak wasp]

before I was whelmed, now I'm over whelmed

[willow glen]

in general i just dont transport fluids by train, the one time i have is fuel for the FMF alt (late game recipe), since it doesnt need high throughput.

[hybrid nymph]

I get that @peak wasp

[willow glen]

uhh gasses dont have head lift, so they dont have any pressure to deal with. they always fill a pipe evenly, no matter its height or length, so long as theres no pipes pumps or valves.

[thick oak]

Once I decided I was done with Spaghetti I started to go back and make actual buildings to put stuff in and it's a lot more work!

[willow glen]

you can use trains to kinda cheat head lift if you gotta transport water up a very huge height (100m+), but thats very niche and only useful if you dont overproduce power

[shy mulch]

No, you have extra packages in the loop so you drop off your packaged stuff and take back the empty containers from the last trip

[hybrid nymph]

Hey @peak wasp what tier are you on? How long have you been working on your save for?

[thick oak]

Ooh that's a good idea, I kinda assumed they meant to use just one set of containers over and over but that's much cooler.

[boreal musk]

one reason why i prefer drones when transporting packaged fluids, much easier to handle than trains

[willow glen]

well, you can definitely do the closed loop package deal with trains, but i do find it a lot easier to do with drones since they by default seperate imports and exports

[shy mulch]

I have an array of drones carrying 1500/min of packaged crude oil. Unpackaged at destination and the containers go into storages which act as a buffer and then feed back into the drone ports to be returned. I've got about 6000 containers in the loop so there's always a supply at the packaging site, the drones are always full both directions and there's zero delay anywhere

[stray herald]

Hello
I hope everyone is well

I was looking for tips on when to start making 'permanent' factories
Right now I am building small factories using Mark 1 miners and Mark 2 belts, but these factories will need to be rebuilt once I have better miners and belts. Since we can get up to mark 6 belts, I was wondering what a good way of planning would be

[dense violet]

generaly use a planner of choice. I like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

and then break down teh layouts 🙂

[sterile blade]

To plan for future expansion I like to plan the making of simple items (whatever you consider simple, ofc, that can go up the item chain) on the basis of 30 or 60/min inputs. That makes them easy to scale with all belts except sometimes MK3

[willow glen]

its very difficult to build anything super permanant before at least phase 4, probably phase 5 if you use pure nodes.
but fortunately theres so many nodes for everything on the map, that you'll always have a fresh one when you need more of something, no need to expand a line thats already boxed up and boxed in.

[shy mulch]

I'm 1200 hours in, completed all the achievements 800 hours ago, and I'm still making new things thar are bigger and better than the last things I did. I don't believe in anything being 'permanent'. Just build what you need at the moment for your current goals, when you get new goals you can decide if you want to reuse what you have, or build new stuff somewhere else. Many people destroy their previous work to 'make space' for new things, but the world is so big there's rarely any need to do that, just move to another areo

[boreal musk]

temporary factories are the most permanent one

[sterile blade]

"I'll just slap down a slooped and hand-fed Assembler for this, just for now"
(Someone's famous longest "for now")

[willow glen]

i usually quit my saves at around 250-300 hours due to fps issues lol, but yeah, never ran out of anything yet, even far into postgame.
only exception seems to be SAM for nuclear, which is a hot topic (just sink plutonium and forget anything else exists imo)

[hybrid nymph]

I never took that approach

[stray herald]

Alright thanks everyone!:D

[hybrid nymph]

I just have 1 base and keep improving it

[obsidian jewel]

do refineries provide any headlift on the output?

[willow glen]

my initial HUB always becomes a storage depot, just too easy to leech off my outside factories via drone late game instead of rebuilding everything elsewhere

[sterile blade]

Just focus on sushi and suddenly FPS become much more bearable as you tend to build less and design more!

[willow glen]

10m

[somber monolith]

Does anyone know why my pipes aren’t filling they have enough input and aren’t going into anything

[hybrid nymph]

They probably don't have enough pressure, put a pump

[somber monolith]

It’s flat not going up or down

[sterile blade]

Ask in #1038092680493801533 as it's hard to say without pictures

[dense violet]

would need to see overhead images of your set up

[somber monolith]

If I have 300 fuel going into 15 gens will it stay running or does it need to be 14

[somber monolith]

I cant get over head photos as I only have regular fuel jet pack

[vale grotto]

Press P then R

[boreal musk]

check the number, dont guess, use math

[somber monolith]

I’ve done the math

[steady cedar]

If 15 fuel gens use 300 fuel then just fill the pipes fully before starting the fuel gens and they should stay running

[hybrid nymph]

You need more refineries

Probably

[somber monolith]

How am I supposed to fill the pipes if the gens use it immediately

[somber monolith]

The refineries are fine it produces enough

[steady cedar]

Turn them off?

And start once the pipes are full

[somber monolith]

How do I turn them all off that’d take forever

[steady cedar]

Its just 15

[somber monolith]

Yeah but still takes a while

[hybrid nymph]

Hmm 🤔

[vale grotto]

Blow the power grid by plugging in a ton of stuff

[steady cedar]

You can just turn off the last few
It will still build up

[vale grotto]

Huh, you can make HMF with nothing but iron ore, and a little bit of limestone for the encased beams

[steady cedar]

Or there are better ways to blow it (for the first time only)
But ye thats what i used to stop and start them all at once

[dense violet]

yeah use photo mode, or build stomething tall

as for filling them, turn a few of them to 50% clocking anad let them flood

[steady cedar]

Dont fuel gens work even if they are connected to a grid doesn't matter if that grid is using any power?

[vale grotto]

Correct, if they have a power line connected even to a single pole, it'll burn fuel

[somber monolith]

Aight how should I do that when I make my main oil power plant as that’ll have over 200 and setting them all to 50% will take years

[steady cedar]

Ye pretty sure thats how it works

[boreal musk]

just underclock it

[frail sleet]

If you copy the 50% state, you can just mouse over each gen and hit a hotkey

[vale grotto]

Just don't plug in or build the generators until the pipe is full

[steady cedar]

There is a better way
Let me explain

[somber monolith]

Yeah even then walking 200 gens worth will still take ages

[steady cedar]

So what you do (before any fuel enters the fuel gen)
Connect them all up

[boreal musk]

or build one with 50% and use scroll wheel to copy the building

[dense violet]

just do it to 3 or 4, then come back to it in 10 min

[steady cedar]

Yup i remember it that way

[dense violet]

massive pita to do it to all of them

[steady cedar]

Let me make sure
What you want to do is let the fuel build up and then turn them on?

There is an easy trick for that

[peak wasp]

6/7/8 open and 9 is locked

[steady cedar]

Amount of fuel gens dont matter for it

[somber monolith]

Also do I need as many batteries as my power consumption? Or would like 2k keep 4k up for 30 mins

[steady cedar]

Just enough to keep it running until fuel builds up fully

[placid stirrup]

The reasoning is sound, but the units are all over the place

[frail sleet]

Okay i've retested to refresh my memory

instructions were the wrong way round

1: Build pipes/gens

2: when pipes and gens are full, connect power wire to generator

If you don't do this or something similar, manifold warmup for fuel power generators can be on the magnitude of 10 hours.

[steady cedar]

Well if you need an easy way to turn them all off at the start and on at the same time once fuel is built up
Connect them all up (make sure not connected to amy outside grid, just themselves)
Place down a week power source (like biomass burner) set clock speed to low and try tunnel a machine with it that would blow that fuse
(burner to poll to machine)
Now you can connect that poll to fuel gens and that will blow the fuse for all of them

Once fuel is built up
Just flick the switch

[steady cedar]

That can take long alternatively connect them up but make it so the fuse for that grid is blown as i explained in above message

[frail sleet]

You have to connect them either way so it takes no extra time, it's just changing the order of operations

[steady cedar]

Ye, in one you start them slowly and in other they all start at once

The later is more satisfying

[steady cedar]

Also i believe the grid can reset between reloads or something
So better to do this right before you run the factory

[steady cedar]

I think it takes less effort to connect them up while you are building them as compared to connecting them later (physically and mentally)
You are more likely to mess up connection later and specially when there is a larger quantity

[stray herald]

Is everyone here more 'lower clock speeds to make zero waste' or 'send unused intermediary resources to a sink'?

[limpid cairn]

i believe everyone puts excess material into a sink

unless youre like running something that doesnt have a byproduct

[steady cedar]

I think they mean producing
That people produce the exact amount

Sink is for keeping the factory running

[stray herald]

Yeah like if you need 100 screws but produce 120 do you sink the 20 extra per minute or lower clock speeds?

[steady cedar]

Just under clock

[atomic canyon]

can you name different train stations the same name? if so, how train will decide where he needs to go?

[steady cedar]

Sinks are mainly used for overflow when storage is full or the next part of the factory isn't built and you want the previous part to keep running

[steady cedar]

I think you can, they will just appear as individual stations to the game
The problem will be for you to figure out which is which

For the game they are different stations no matter the name

[rigid glen]

Why would you?

[hybrid nymph]

seems lazy, just use a new name that makes sense, like Coal 1

[limpid cairn]

Just add a higher number to every new station

Like, station, station 1, station 2 etc.

[hybrid nymph]

Ahh just some beer at satisfactory, can't have a better time 😁

Being single sucks, but it's my life, so it is what it is

[steady cedar]

I don't see why its needed to be mentioned here

[limpid cairn]

Youre not single when you have Ada on your side

[atomic canyon]

well for example you have two different iron outposts and you want them to work depending on the resources, like, if train already there, then other train should move to a different station

[stray herald]

Is it better to have a factory for example make both steel beams and steel pipes or two factories each producing one of them?

[atomic canyon]

like in factorio, where you can do something like that

[steady cedar]

Its usually better to group them

But depends on how much you want

[hybrid nymph]

I ususally use 1 because I'm lazy

[steady cedar]

If a single location isn't enough to produce everything you will need to divide it

[steady cedar]

Then its up to you how you want to play

[willow glen]

unfortunately trains do not dynamically repath, and train stations with similar names are still unique stations to the scheduler. no dynamic trains like factorio here, timetables rule the game.
but also, ore node output is constant, unlike factorio, so once you have a fully solvent factory set up, it wont ever need changed due to ores running out in a patch.

[atomic canyon]

hmm, maybe you're right

one another question, how do you measure throuput of your train network, for example, if i need 480 resources per minute, how do i assure that my trains can supply enough?

is this simple like adding train buffers and just adding more trains on the exact schedule, or something harder?

[willow glen]

there is a throughput calculation on the wiki website. But to tldr it, 80% of belt capacity is generally safe, more than that depends on factors (travel time mostly)

if it’s a cross country route, stacks of 50 might need more than 1 car

[atomic canyon]

but if you add more trains onto same path, shouldn't it resolve travel time issue?

[frail sleet]

Set them to leave when full, if throughput is too low then duplicate the train on the same route. It maxes out at something over 1700 per min per freight platform with mk.6 belts.

[willow glen]

There’s that pesky 24? Second unload time where train stations become unavailable. More than 2 trains on the same route is generally not beneficial because of it

[somber monolith]

Is solid steel ingot worth it?

[frail sleet]

It depends on the length, for longer ones you benefit up to 10 or more

[willow glen]

ya for cross country routes and stack sizes of 50 I can see up to 5 trains being useful, but that’s kinda niche

[frail sleet]

Even for my train around the rocky desert, it needed more than 5. The maximum throughput is at ~1 dock per minute, so if there's a longer dock-to-dock time than that, not enough trains for max throughput.

[willow glen]

Is there a lot of stops? That seems like a long route

[frail sleet]

It was, i was not yet using train stations on track forks

which are a big improvement btw

[willow glen]

Oh yeah I’ve done straight loop before but on a smaller scale, 5 was about right for that. Anyway definitely recommend upgrading to “train highway” as soon as possible, preferably by the third stop

first two stops can be a single track that’s fine

[umbral fog]

Is there any way to line up/snap throughput monitors?

[willow glen]

hmm, do they stop at the end of a belt? Maybe temporarily shorten the belt

[umbral fog]

that's kinda what I've been doing. I've been putting a belt mount in place and lining it up to that

[somber monolith]

Should I use valves on a generator system?

[willow glen]

I’ve never had valves change a system’s behavior

[atomic canyon]

aren't they helping to get rid of backflowing?

[willow glen]

It would just end up back flowing in smaller segments which doesn’t change the overall behavior of the system, at least in my experience.
Try unpowered pumps instead, they reset head lift to 0 and have more utility

[rustic kayak]

Can i pre order satis on ps5 and is it crossplay when it releases?

[rigid glen]

All we have is the date, no details

[willow glen]

No preorder yet (still showing as wishlist only for me)
Yes cross play. Not with PC

[glad drum]

#screenshots message I FINALLY DID IT!!! It took all night, but 24 coal generators are GO GO GOIN'

[rustic kayak]

Ah thats a shame wanted to play with a friend who was on pc

[rigid glen]

That makes me want to burn your computer out

[glad drum]

Thank you 🙂

[willow glen]

oh don’t worry if they keep this up the fluid simulation will do that for you

[glad drum]

I can't hear you over my computer fans

My friend described my build as an alien life form that crashed into the planet and sent tendrils out to drain the planet of resources and i vibe with it

27 hours to get coal power jesus

[willow glen]

it’s definitely very tentacle-y

[rustic kayak]

@willow glen and dedicated server? There is a console option

[somber monolith]

Why

[willow glen]

I’m unsure! They haven’t specified yet officially

[glad drum]

I thought they said no to dedicated servers for consoles

[glad drum]

To make people ask me why 😉

[willow glen]

Probably, my memory isn’t perfect, I really only care about PC and switch (please no satisfactory for switch 2)

[glad drum]

I hope there's Satisfactory on Switch 2! Oh man, it'd be so funny to see a bunch of consoles explode

[willow glen]

It would have to be at like 240p and I don’t even know how you aim when the pixels are half a foundation wide

[somber monolith]

How much space would 280 fuel generators take up

[willow glen]

UE5 too intense, my PC is a heater and it’s way more powerful

[rigid glen]

a lot a lot, where would you have enough fuel for that? The most I've ever run is 80ish

and that was in two locations

[somber monolith]

There’s 2 pure 2 normal and 2 impure nodes im going to use in north of map they’re all close and set up mega power factory

[rigid glen]

oil to regular fuel to power?

[somber monolith]

And there’s still more in the area I think 4 more impure and 1 more regular

[somber monolith]

Yeah I don’t have turbo fuel should I wait till then?

What teir is it you can use turbo fuel recipe is it 7?

[rigid glen]

the only thing to base it on is this,

300 Oil (1 full reg pipe) only gets you 2500MW, out of 10 generators

[frail sleet]

5 or 6

rocket fuel is t7

[rigid glen]

you have to choose your fuel type and test both scenarios

[somber monolith]

Doesn’t it use a blender?

[rigid glen]

running 280 gens on regular fuel would be hard

[frail sleet]

The spire coast oil does 75 GW (300 gens @ 100%) with HOR+diluted fuel, 18.75 GW with no alts

[rigid glen]

Yam, alt recipes can change all that

[somber monolith]

Nvm I thought u needed a blender it’s not a blender

Ima go research that tonight when I get up

Is there a good source of compacted coal near the area in the north

[rigid glen]

Not sure, I rarely work there. Just check the interactive map

[somber monolith]

Won’t turbo fuel mean I’ll just have to power more gens

[rigid glen]

you can toggle which type and purity of node you want tto see

[somber monolith]

Cause more than 280 is going to kill me

[rigid glen]

I'm not even sure there is enough oil in the world to run 280 gens with regular fuel

[trim vine]

280 gens is nothing

[rigid glen]

on regular fuel>?

you can power 10 with 300 oil and 5 refineries

[feral geyser]

absolutely

[trim vine]

how much fuel does a gen take per minute?

[feral geyser]

you can do a lot more than that

[rigid glen]

times 28 seems like a Lot a Lot

300 oil to 200 fule to 10 generators at 20/min

[trim vine]

I dont care about the rest, so 20 fuel per minute

[feral geyser]

one pure vein can turn into 1600/min fuel with the right recipes, which can feed 80 fuel gens

[trim vine]

All that means if you need 5600 fuel

[rigid glen]

I didn't say alt recipes, I said the standard recipe

I also said altsd can change all the numbers, I haven't don't those calcs

[trim vine]

with standard recipes, you need 8400 oil

which exists in the world

[rigid glen]

Just doesn't seem to me like regular oil/fuel is the best basis for a potential megproject

[trim vine]

it is by leagues with diluted fuel

[feral geyser]

i mean, it isn't on its own

you need certain recipes to make it better return

Heavy Oil Residue and Diluted Fuel

[trim vine]

with just 1800 oil you can produce 4800 fuel

[steady cedar]

Or you could produce 5000 rocket fuel with 1350 oil

Thats 1200 fuel gens

[boreal musk]

ive done 1.3k+ fuel gen before, not doing it again

[peak wasp]

it's still my first save, 140 hours

[modest solstice]

#screenshots message
yall see any issues with this piping? just learning fluids this playthrough, trying to do things efficiently

[trim vine]

what are you running?