satisfactory

[dense violet]

and the rods do cause it to be radioactive

[azure ermine]

wiki says once burned as fuel they don't give off radiation anymore

[dense violet]

ah no, but storign them in the drone station still releases radiation

the rods I mean.

[azure ermine]

just keep your distance

[abstract heron]

hiya cobalt

[dense violet]

oh yeah def. Plutonium Drones all the day

[sterile blade]

Finishing the game using just one solid input per machine

[abstract heron]

hows cobalt todayy

[dense violet]

having a very rat day. cleaning all the rat cages, you?

[azure ermine]

the reason for my speculative question is upon rescan I may need to accept "automated miner" recipe, and i notice the only reason to automate making portable miner would be making drones

[peak wasp]

God.

[sterile blade]

Just feed drone ports exactly as much as they consume. Ez pz, no-diff!

[devout current]

So I finished the game in 116h, that good? or was I inefficient?

[azure ermine]

I've probably stood in one place in the game doing nothing in particular for 116h

[sterile blade]

The storyline does have ||an ending||

[dense violet]

upgrading to mk3 miners too

[peak wasp]

I didn't finish it with 980 hours. I made so many failed games that I never finished it, but now I'm on the final game.

[sterile blade]

(Without handfeeding, ofc )

[azure ermine]

yeah but making portable miners up to 5 steps to upload from inventory doesn't take long in the workshop

stacks

[sterile blade]

Handfeeding items to one machine making them takes less :p

[azure ermine]

steam says I've played Satisfactory for 463 hours and I'm still putting off oil to fuel production

by paving the void

[sterile blade]

ADA be like:

[azure ermine]

ADA is too busy flirting with the Alien to notice what I'm doing 🙂

[peak wasp]

I have 980 hours and I still haven't finished the game. It's humiliating, I feel, but since I don't play against anyone, it's okay, I guess.

[rigid glen]

no shame, just play

[azure ermine]

but I shall rely on the wiki when it says there are more than enough hard drives on the map to unlock every alternate recipe

[sterile blade]

Yeah, really no need to feel bad about it
We're here to enjoy~

[somber monolith]

Why is elev-ada so depressed

[sterile blade]

You can ||buy them too||

[azure ermine]

I do have tickets piling up

I already bought every unlock in the shop and all the tapes for the boombox

I refuse to buy statues of monsters

[rigid glen]

You need the 1000 ticket award to finish the last achievement

the others are totally optional

[sterile blade]

Too bad there's no sushi achievements yet

[azure ermine]

I violated achievements when I turned off fog of war

[rigid glen]

nvm then 🙂

[azure ermine]

single player, rules are optional

[somber monolith]

When do I unlock ability to get 1k tickets statue? I only got 250 one

[rigid glen]

I'm sure it opens later, it's the last award in the line

[somber monolith]

Nvm I see it there now

I’m just blind ig

[azure ermine]

someday I will have no choice but to unlock biocoal

[somber monolith]

Technically no just never take it

[rigid glen]

Ya, it could live in the MAM as a potential, forever

[sterile blade]

With Sloops, that's a surprising amount of Coal-per-dead-alien

[somber monolith]

Is steeled frame or copper rotor better?

[azure ermine]

I do have about 12 stacks of alien ground chuck

[sterile blade]

I would maybe consider it for stuff using Coal in limited quantities (like ammo and nobelisks productions)

[azure ermine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fekus9/alternate_recipe_ranking_10_optimizing_for/

[rigid glen]

Most alt recipes are late game situational, you have a need and the local nodes says go with this recipe over that one

[azure ermine]

steeled frame rated 63.1, copper rotor rated 53.1

[somber monolith]

I just passed up copper alloy :(.

[azure ermine]

yes they do advise it gives some lattitude in what you CAN do and are not considered upgrades

[waxen locust]

So, yes it is a question. but i dont think it needs its own forum post.

For some reason my "conveyor belt item frequency" is STUCK on Capped 30. I can't change it. anyone know the issue?

[azure ermine]

where is this number, is this a programmable splitter thing?

[sterile blade]

Graphic options

[azure ermine]

oh

[rigid glen]

maybe a parent setting needs to be moved up

the general setting must be set in some way to cap that

[waxen locust]

Unsure what that would be though? I thought maybe conveyor quality. But i turned it up and down. Nothing changed.

[somber monolith]

Mines stuck at unlimited I think something else changes it maybe belt quality

[waxen locust]

Nope XD said as you was typing XD

[somber monolith]

Maybe it has to do with pc settings if u have nvidia maybe try change it through their settings?

[waxen locust]

Hm. Possibly. Its wierd that i can change every other setting. Besides that one

[azure ermine]

"conveyor visual quality?"

[rigid glen]

what's your Conmveyor Belt Render Distance set to?

[rigid glen]

section below that

[waxen locust]

We was just talking about visual quality. Gimme a sec ill check render distancd

[somber monolith]

Have you tried changing it in main menu and not in game?

[sterile blade]

Programmable Splitters can't set rates. But they can load-balance multiple items at once!

[somber monolith]

Is vulkan worth turning on or should I stick with directX 12?

[rigid glen]

Other than that, it looks like the only other throttle point would be Max FPS at the top of that page.

(or a weird driver issue)

[waxen locust]

Tried that yeah

[waxen locust]

Max fps ive set to 120

[somber monolith]

Do you have a old gpu or smth maybe it’s just not allowed on older ones

[rigid glen]

very weird, you've done a full restart I assume?

[azure ermine]

yeahI just didn't know the context of the 30 that was mentioned

[waxen locust]

Rocking a 3070

[waxen locust]

I can try a g a i n?

[rigid glen]

I was just making sure, if you've done it you've done it

I would open a ticket if you can't find anything

[waxen locust]

Yeah also noticed the more conveyor belts i place in one session. The laggier each belt placement gets till i reload the world or client

[rigid glen]

Maybe it's a direct X 12 issue, I only have 11

[waxen locust]

Lemme try swapping to vulkan or x11

[rigid glen]

Good luck!

[somber monolith]

What can u do with 300 heavy oil residue I just unlocked oil and have no alt recipes for it

[waxen locust]

also my belt render, and visual are set to medium

[waxen locust]

petrolium coke? XD

[rigid glen]

300 HOR would make 200 Fuel, emough for 10 fuel gens

[sterile blade]

I figured, but still wanted to share that little known info

[somber monolith]

Thanks will do

[waxen locust]

oh wierd. I tried to set it to vulkan. and the game FORCED me to X11

[somber monolith]

How much power will that produce?

[waxen locust]

its gen is 250mw

[rigid glen]

2500

[somber monolith]

Nice will double my power

[azure ermine]

I have unlocked programmable splitters but have never used one to know what the interface looks like

[rigid glen]

wait

300 HOR to 200 Fuel

no, ok, im right lol

whew - 10 generators will give 2500 power

[sterile blade]

Best to check the wiki if you're interested in those details, the UI doesn't say anything about that

[somber monolith]

Would it be better to reduce plastic and rubber from 200 each to 100 to produce more power?

[waxen locust]

bruh. my game is forcing dx11, when i try running vulkan. at this rate im not even sure nvidia supports nvidia

[rigid glen]

I usually just sink the plastic and rubber if my storage is full and the machines are all working well

leave it alone and route the HR somewhere else

since it has a few uses

[azure ermine]

ooo the programmable splitter has pretty blinking lights

[sterile blade]

The only kind of "HR" that FICSIT cares about

[somber monolith]

I just learned how oil works mb I can just make plastic from polymer but what can I do with fuel if I can’t use it for power after unlocking oil?

[waxen locust]

programmable is better than smart, because you can set specific items. I'm still waiting for them to add Harddrives to the list, so when I come home, I can just hit "deposit all" and let the splitters organise my inventory

[rigid glen]

package and save a few containers full, then you can divert it for power later

[somber monolith]

I don’t have packagers either won’t my stuff just back up and turn off?

[sterile blade]

That's not all they can do 😉 (although it all hinges on the "multiple filters" point)

[rigid glen]

Yes, they will

[somber monolith]

So how do I make plastic and rubber to get the power then?

[rigid glen]

Let me look at my oil loops, one second

[waxen locust]

my game is becomming MORE AND MORE unstable

#screenshots message

[somber monolith]

I think ur pc will blow up

[azure ermine]

I checked it out, looks very flexible, almost...programmable. I think visually on the outside it might have been fun for any side set to X None, be replaced by a blank plate like when you install a splitter on a lift

[waxen locust]

Press N. and type "heavy oil residue" and look at all the recipes and uses. that should show you everything you can do

[sterile blade]

Everything looks normal.
Don't lose your head over nothing~

[somber monolith]

Thank you I can make my rubber now

[waxen locust]

You can do that for EVERY item and liquid in the game.

[somber monolith]

Yeah I forgot that existed

[shrewd palm]

N is a very useful button, also doubles as a calculator

[somber monolith]

Yeah

[waxen locust]

Thats basically all I use it for. is a calculator XD

[rigid glen]

So you've opened Oil Processing but not Fuild Packaging or Petroleum Power yet rright/'

[shrewd palm]

i think its supposed to look like this
#screenshots message

[sterile blade]

Well, duh... But @waxen locust already lost their head!
(Yes, I was making a joke)

[waxen locust]

I wonder where to file that contains video settings are. I'm tempted to delete it see if that fixes my problems

[somber monolith]

I got oil processing unlocked but not anything else in teir 5 but dw I just found out it can be used for petroleum coke for now

[rigid glen]

Yes, and you can directly sink that

don't save it

[shrewd palm]

i am very tired rn

[somber monolith]

That’s the plan

Might burn it for lil extra energy till oils online

[sterile blade]

And I can't sleep.
Cat got onto the bed, which is nice and purr-full... but doesn't quite help with sleep 😅

[shrewd palm]

its the cat's bed now i think. probably best to sleep on the floor or couch or something

[somber monolith]

How big does a line need to be for 20 refineries?

[sterile blade]

About 20 times the size of one Refinery

[rigid glen]

you can fit it all in one one pipe from the refineries, then split it into two and feed 2 sets of 5 generators

[waxen locust]

each refinary, if you wanna keep it on its own grid tiles. is 2x3 in foundations. but you can fit i think 2 refinaries on a 3x3

[rigid glen]

MK1 pipe is fine all around

[shrewd palm]

this is what the calculator is for my friend

[somber monolith]

I mean how many 4m floor peices do I need to fit 20 refineries in a row

[shrewd palm]

ahh

[somber monolith]

Mb

[waxen locust]

i just said here ^

[rigid glen]

and I just said don't do them all in one row 🙂

[sterile blade]

Foundations are 8m btw

[rigid glen]

it will make it hard for fuel to get to the end

[shrewd palm]

yeah i usually just pave over very large pieces of the map and then add more when i run out of space

[somber monolith]

Ik im just tryna get a area set up

Future proofing

[waxen locust]

each refinary, if you wanna keep it on its own grid tiles. is 2x3 in foundations. but you can fit i think 2 refinaries on a 3x3

[somber monolith]

So 30?

[waxen locust]

should work yea

but that 2 on a 3x3 is a guess.

ok... NOW IM MORE CONFUSED.

I deleted my game user settings, and game.ini. AND NOW ITS STUCK ON UNLIMITED

it also doubled my frames.

i'll take it.

[rigid glen]

#screenshots message

The fuel source has to be in the middle of tgher two groups, but other than that, you can arrange you want to

[waxen locust]

from 40 frames in a world that has everything automated up to the beginning of aluminum. to now over 80.

I have been playing since update 1. so I guess i should have done that a while ago

[sterile blade]

Playing with settings is not as much fun as playing the game imo

[waxen locust]

I agree. but playing with 80 frames is more fun thatn 40 frames with spikes down to 14

[somber monolith]

How should I divide 7.5 refineries producing a total of 900 petroleum coke into mk3 belts?

[waxen locust]

are they overclocked or under?

[azure ermine]

I wonder why, when you put a belt on the ground and it generates its supports, then you dismantle the belt, it leaves those supports behind

[waxen locust]

I do wish it was connected like conveyor lift holes are connected. but i can understand where niche cases are that that would be irritating

[somber monolith]

I think conveyor holes are cause of a bug with them where u could make inf lifts

[waxen locust]

conveyor holes are a seperate object

I do wish that the water extractors and liquid storages used the pipeline swatch by default. it makes sense.

[somber monolith]

When it’s connected when u try delete it it delete the lift aswell

[waxen locust]

yea. but thats the lift floor hole. coveyor holes go on the wall

[somber monolith]

Yeah

[sterile blade]

That's not a bug, that's a feature.
Jokes aside, it has no downsides afaik

[waxen locust]

besides a small animation freakout. but with 1.1 i've noticed alot of animations dont loop properly anymore anyway.

[sterile blade]

Just merge within belt limits, unless you prefer having one belt per machine leaving the factory for some reason(s)

[somber monolith]

I just want minimum belts so I can sink the most coke possible and not waste energy

[waxen locust]

what belts are you using?

[somber monolith]

Mk3 just need this for mk4

[waxen locust]

just do 900/270

[sterile blade]

Or just merge up to belt limit.
2 machines fit on one belt? Merge. The third doesn't fit? Just keep merging couples...

[somber monolith]

Yeah I think I’ll just do couples for it

[sterile blade]

Tip: if you're worried about how much power you're using, that's a sign you haven't built/planned enough power

[waxen locust]

imagine NOT using every uranium node.

[sterile blade]

Power is overall very abundant, resource-wise. Ie: one single resource node made into power sustains the processing of several other resource nodes

[somber monolith]

I just don’t wanna set up 7 sinks as I’m tight on power as I only planned enough for up to teir 5

[sterile blade]

That's kind of what I'm saying: "you're tight on power" or in other words "haven't built enough power" ^^

[reef wasp]

I agree with this.

[somber monolith]

I built as much as I could on one pure one regular and two impure coal with mk2 miners and mk3 belts

It’s just there’s not enough in the area I built

[waxen locust]

im dreading rebuilding my power plant as a single person. over 400 fuel generators. over 100 refineries.. and like. 400 packagers.

because i made it back in update 8. and i had almost no knowledge on pipe stuff. but in the past few months ive done alot of learning. so i know what ive done wrong. and im just gonna redo the place from scratch

[boreal musk]

for coal power I just build them based on mk4 belt, so once i unlock said belt i can instantly upgrade my coal plant without rebuilding

[somber monolith]

Why use coal after unlocking oil? Isn’t coal only useful for recipes past phase 1

[willow glen]

The new auto-connect blueprint feature makes it like 2x faster than it used to be to make large builds like that. Just gotta hook up power still is all

[somber monolith]

Prob a lot more than 2x

[waxen locust]

oh i know. i'm in love with that feature. im still dreading it.

I still remember making a facility that was over 100x80 with around 8 floors. before zooping was a thing.

We have it so much easier now XD and i couldnt be happier

i never wanna do that again. without zoop or blueprints

[willow glen]

if I didn’t have zoop I’d probably keep all my builds as tiny as possible and totally screw myself on expandability and get frustrated and quit

[boreal musk]

i rarely use oil power, not until i unlock blender

i play alot, so i know 6GW coal plant is enough to finish phase 3

[abstract heron]

doing good

[somber monolith]

Why blender is that for turbo fuel or smth I haven’t reached there yet

[willow glen]

It’s actually quite fun to go through the progression of fuel - turbofuel - rocket fuel but of course there’s other options (nuclear is the hardest)

[boreal musk]

diluted fuel

[waxen locust]

yea. blender and turbofuel. and also diluted fuel. is a godsend

[sterile blade]

Reminder that Coal is most Water-consuming power source.
If one doesn't like piping, going big on Coal might be quite tedious

[somber monolith]

How much better is diluted than normal?

[willow glen]

you can use diluted packaged fuel, same ratio, packages are a closed loop. Don’t have to wait for blenders for that. I think you do need blenders for rocket fuel tho.

[boreal musk]

ive done worse pipe system than coal

[waxen locust]

1 water + 0.5 heavy oil = 1 fuel. you turn water into fuel basically.

[boreal musk]

nah i just like blender more than packaged alt

[somber monolith]

Ik the recipe but how much more than regular can you produce

[boreal musk]

personal preference

[waxen locust]

d o u b l e

[somber monolith]

Ima need that is it an Alt recipe once u get blender?

[boreal musk]

you trade 3 oil for 8 fuel with diluted (packaged) fuel alt

600 oil = 20GW worth of power

[waxen locust]

you can get a packaged varient for the refinaries. but that requires packagers. so most wait for blenders.

[willow glen]

I always unlock packagers and fuel generators at the same time so “waiting for blenders” would just mean skipping diluted fuel altogether until rocket fuel.
Valid strategy, just not the only way

[somber monolith]

How can I take specific amounts out of depots I want 3 shard but keep taking 100

[waxen locust]

not possible

[somber monolith]

That’s dumb

[waxen locust]

either a stack, or dont bother XD. can also split off how much you want, an toss the rest back in the depot

normally tho. I keep a stack of whatver i use the most on me at all times.

[willow glen]

manual upload helps a lot, can also use depot for extra storage for things like nuts and alien remains

[waxen locust]

why do that? just turn on, don't drop everything. then just deposit everything into a somerslooped machine.

[boreal musk]

tbf packaging milestone is a must for me bcs i need them for packaged lbf

[somber monolith]

Yeah I got manual that’s why I wanted to know it’s so annoying putting 97 back so I can take 3

[waxen locust]

I do hate that you can't alter the order of the depot, or remove something you'll never put back in.

like. I've accidentally thrown my jetpack in there when quick swapping. so now i have a perminant. jetpack slot. in my depot. thats never gonna be used.

[somber monolith]

Just pin everything if you don’t care about constantly taking stuff from it so it’ll be at bottom

[waxen locust]

but its still there.
taunting me.

[somber monolith]

Forever

[willow glen]

drop everything? I don’t think we’re on the same page, the idea is to free up inventory slots while storing them for later, without needing to track down a storage container. Helps a lot when you’re exploring and need more space

[waxen locust]

fair. but i never struggle with inventory when exploring?

[willow glen]

hard drive exploring can fill up an inventory quick

after you get a ton of upgrades it’s a non issue but that’s pretty late game

[fiery lotus]

I just built a bunch of steel production to fill a demand I then realised I don't actually have
Future-proofing I guess

My inventory only got filled up exploring because I went to upgrade infrastructure at the same time so I also had building material lol

[waxen locust]

#screenshots message

very proud of this building :3

[dense violet]

pipes and beams are used for construction? that's a use

[fiery lotus]

I don't think anything I am building uses pipes yet

And beams certainly are but I don't think I needed the excess 1200/min

[dense violet]

that does seem excessive. Especially since you can make Encased Beams with pipes

[fiery lotus]

Oh it's not totally extra, the versatile framework requirement goes up in the next tier

25/min

[boreal musk]

youre going to need steel pipes and beams when building railways

[somber monolith]

How much head lift does a refinery have?

[dense violet]

every machine is 10m

[waxen locust]

look at the discription in the build menu

[somber monolith]

Thanks

[somber monolith]

I’m blind

[waxen locust]

mood

[somber monolith]

:(.

Do you guys colour code your pipes or just me

[lost osprey]

I'm struggling to incorperate trains into my factories. Is it generally better to have more, smaller trains, or fewer midsized ones?

[fiery lotus]

I was planning to as soon as I have more than one fluid to handle lol

[waxen locust]

yup. I even have a text doc with all the Hexcodes of each major resource.

[fiery lotus]

I already color code some of my conveyors

[somber monolith]

That’s a bit overboard I think 😭

[waxen locust]

its just so i have the same color on every save. Preset swatches dont save between saves. so every time i join someone. or make a new world. gotta make swatches again

[somber monolith]

Makes sense

[fiery lotus]

I have all sorts of notes on my second monitor, I'm a (very unskilled) dev sometimes so it's 4k

[somber monolith]

U always just have the calculator on second monitor I can’t imagine playing this game without one

[waxen locust]

I know they havn't added the "global blueprints" yet. but I'd love to build my blueprints in a friend's save. let them save them if they want them, if not. I can just use them where im working. but whenever I suggest it on the QA site. it just gets so much backlash.

you'd think I killed someone.

[somber monolith]

Why do people not want global blue prints

[waxen locust]

well they give 2 reasons.
1 : devs havnt added it.
2 : it'd mess up the blueprints tab.

But in response to no. 2. I say just make it its own tab. the global blueprints tab. and keep a local blueprints tab for the world. easy peasy.

[somber monolith]

I’d love to download blue prints from steam workshop

[dense violet]

there's webpages that exist already for that if you don't want to build your own things

[waxen locust]

you can download blueprints from satisfactory calculator i believe.

you just gotta find the blueprints folder, then the world you're playing. e.c.t

[somber monolith]

Where I’m on it rn and don’t see it?

Mb I’m blind again

[waxen locust]

fair enough XD

[fiery lotus]

40 hours and I just discovered the flashlight

I was just using fixed lights lol

[waxen locust]

its.... right down there ↘️ on your HUD.

[somber monolith]

Fixed lights are cool tho

[waxen locust]

[somber monolith]

Why can’t you post images on this chat

[waxen locust]

theres a catagory for that. its meant to keep the channel clean

[fiery lotus]

Honestly I didn't even register that part of the HUD until a minute ago

I was just using the hotkeys ADA told me

[waxen locust]

[fiery lotus]

I accidentally hit the search key at one point though so that's been useful

[waxen locust]

im.. not mad.. just disappointed

[fiery lotus]

You should be

[waxen locust]

that part of the hud also doesnt tell you about the Emote key, or the "ping" key.

[fiery lotus]

I did find the emote key, since it's the same in most games

[waxen locust]

T for emotes. alt + leftclick for ping. and alt + rightclick for stamps. you can also click mouse wheel, to "sample" a building

I rebound my ping, to Z. because i played too much R6Siege back in the day. so im used to that keybind.

[fiery lotus]

Oh the stamp placement is really nice, neat

[somber monolith]

What stamp should I use for rubber and plastic factory?

[fiery lotus]

I used to have pings on my side mouse buttons but I don't really do multiplayer anymore, so I don't pay for a mouse with side mouse buttons

[waxen locust]

use the makers on the map. not a stamp

[somber monolith]

That’s what I mean

[waxen locust]

I use my side mouse buttons for copy and pasting settings on buildings.

[waxen locust]

i normally use the factory icon for any facilities i build. otherwise I just pick what I think makes the most sense, like. a power facility using has the power icon.

[somber monolith]

I’ve got like 4 black factory’s I’m going to go insane why isn’t there more icons

[waxen locust]

use your imagination some more ❤️ but yes. more icons is always nice.

[somber monolith]

Well everything I make a specific factory for is black or dark grey eg: coal, steel, oil, rubber

[waxen locust]

Coal #0C0C19
Oil #190019
Rubber #202020

Should give you a slight difference to tell.

[somber monolith]

Thanks makes it a little easier to see than black black and black

[waxen locust]

having these hexcodes has proved handy more times than I can count, and like I said. I have them on their own little notepad

[fiery lotus]

Nearest oil 2'000m, guess I'm unlocking trains next.

[waxen locust]

good luck. need computers for that. which needs oil.

[fiery lotus]

I did loot some computers, I'm not seeing what needs them though

Ah you get signalling later that needs them I see, I'm not that far lol

[waxen locust]

the locomotive needs them

wait. am i schitzo?? i swear they did

never mind. ignore me then

[fiery lotus]

[waxen locust]

Hotkey for blueprints when?

[mild gate]

hello i have a quick question:

is there a way deal with nuclear waste? or do we still have to cordon off a biome just to store nuclear waste?

[waxen locust]

plutonium.

[mild gate]

please enlighten me on what to do with plutonium

[waxen locust]

You take the nuclear waste. put it in a particle accelerator, turn it into none fissile uranium. then turn it into plutonium cells. then turn it into plutonium fuel cells, then sink it. orrrr. put that in a reactor, and make plutonium waste

[mild gate]

ya but wont you have like a lot of plutonium waste with no usage to it?

like i'm bumped with the fact that storing those waste is a waste of space...

[waxen locust]

thats top secret info. the coffee stain mafia will throw me in the river tied to a sack of bricks

[exotic pilot]

What’s up chat

[limpid cairn]

You need plastic or rubber for them not computers

you need i think 50 plastic for the train station and like 100 rubber for the train itself i believe

[waxen locust]

yea, I was just being schitzo

[limpid cairn]

@fiery lotusmake sure to use like 3-4 refineries for plastic that get put into a dimensional depot first before entering the plastic main line since everything in the oil tier needs plastic

[dense violet]

you don't have to burn the plutonium rods

you can sink them for points or use them to fuel trucks/drones

[limpid cairn]

or you use them for the premium fuel

[mild gate]

but what if you burn them for fuel then generated the waste in the end? are there solutions to get rid of these waste then?

[dense violet]

you don't get waste from vehicles

[dense violet]

there are, but it's tedious

[exotic pilot]

Guys entertain me

[mild gate]

May i ask, what would those be?

[dense violet]

just sink them for points if you don't want to power trucks and drones unless you find the production path for plutonium waste interesting

[limpid cairn]

youtube was build for a reason

[dense violet]

another type of rod that consumes an ass ton of power and resources

[exotic pilot]

I ain’t watching yt in a parking lot

[dense violet]

you can check the wiki for details but it's a resource hog that provides very little other than getting rid of hte waste

[mild gate]

thank you. i'll look into those paths then

would be interesting to explore

[dense violet]

it's mainly there for people who couldn't stop themselves from burning plutnium rods and bitched about it

as plutonium rods were introduced so people would get involved with the nuclear chain but have a waste free option

[limpid cairn]

btw is ficsodium really that bad?

the production path doesnt seem that bad

[dense violet]

very little power, shit tons of processing

[boreal musk]

and very expensive

[dense violet]

lots of resources and power consumed

like, Plutonium rod is a fair whack of effort using every resource barring SAM basically. Ficsonium is more annoying from what I can see

But P rods I think are an easy price for waste free nuclear

I don't find the ficsonium process particularly interesting.

just... lots of mats

[exotic pilot]

Can’t waste be used for something

[limpid cairn]

it can always be used for something

[dense violet]

just hte next rod in the line

[white dawn]

Just SAM-expensive is all, really (and a nontrivial amount of work). I'm a fan

Though it's only really got one usecase, namely: 1) Wanting to burn Plutonium, while 2) Having "clean" nuclear

If you don't want both of those things, it's probably not worth it

[dense violet]

yeah I find the other things that need SAM to be more interesting

[fiery lotus]

I kind of like the horror of the waste filled trains randomly irradiating you while you're engineering

[exotic pilot]

If I start a nuclear plant what should I burn

[dense violet]

I mean if you want to move your uranium waste to be processed by train ? sure xD or Uranium ore I guess

[dense violet]

well the first thing yo ucan burn is Uranium rods

[white dawn]

Uranium! Then, optionally, Plutonium. And then, also optionally, Ficsonium. :)

[exotic pilot]

So the best is uranium

[limpid cairn]

yeah

[exotic pilot]

What do I do with the waste

[limpid cairn]

then, you store the waste somewhere or craft plutioniom rods that you burn or sink

[dense violet]

I mean... it's the first.
Best is subjective

and you can store it, or turn the waste to plutonium

[white dawn]

"Best" is quite subjective. Uranium is the start of the nuclear power chain. No matter what else you decide to do with nuclear power after Uranium, you still have to start with Uranium first.

[exotic pilot]

Oh

!wikisearch nuclear_waste

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=nuclear_waste

[fiery lotus]

Drat the train station needs 50 plastic

[white dawn]

Nuclear options are:

1. Make Uranium, burn it, store the waste forever
2. Make Uranium, burn it, convert its waste to Plutonium, then sink the Plutonium Rods (one of the two "clean" nuclear options)
3. Make Uranium, burn it, convert its waste to Plutonium, burn the Plutonium, store the waste forever (of the two waste storage options, this one is maybe more convenient because the waste production rate is a lot lower)
4. Make Uranium, burn it, convert its waste to Plutonium, burn the Plutonium, convert that waste to Ficsonium, then burn Ficsonium, which produces no waste (the other of the two "clean" nuclear options)

(Folks sinking Plutonium Fuel Rods instead of burning it often also like to use them for drone/vehicle fuel, since they last a long time)

[limpid cairn]

arent they also faster?

or was that only for rocket fuel /ionized fuel

[dense violet]

wdym 'faster'? for drones?

[white dawn]

Drone speed depends on fuel, yes (and Plutonium Fuel Rods are I think the fastest, yes). Vehicles won't go any faster; fuel just lasts longer for those

[dense violet]

tied with ionized

[exotic pilot]

Wdym by sinking

[white dawn]

AWESOME sink

[exotic pilot]

Ohh

[willow glen]

I have never actually noticed the difference in drone speed because it always pales in comparison to the landing/takeoff sequence.
1500m is only 33-40 seconds worth of a journey depending on fuel, but 102 seconds of landing and takeoff regardless of it

Roughly 5% savings, statistically significant but I’d never observe it in game without a stopwatch

[topaz lava]

Anyone have interest in joining me starting a new world without mods for once

[fossil ice]

Hello there totally awesome user! You can checkout #1201555265942724758 and check the pins on how to find folks to play with. <3

[sterile blade]

Don't the exhaust trails change color with fuel?

[willow glen]

I haven’t noticed any (I don’t use many drones), do they?

[sterile blade]

I can't recall for certain 😅
I was just thinking that could be an easy way to notice what fuel is used, if true ^^

[peak wasp]

steep freight train journey tips?

[willow glen]

well, try not to ramp more than 2m if possible. If you must, make sure to enter it going fast enough to get out… might need a large gap before the hill to ensure it.

If your train is stalling on a 2m ramp you can solve it by adding more locomotives. Generally 1 locomotive per 5 cars, but you can get away with a lot more if your track is flat.

[peak wasp]

I was thinking 4 max

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q="train spiral"

[willow glen]

Only in spurts. For big hills (like getting into red forest), only use 2m or 1m ramps.

train spiral also a great suggestion

[peak wasp]

oh sorry I meant 4 cars

[willow glen]

oh ya that’s fine

[peak wasp]

jeez lol

wow

[willow glen]

keep in mind curves also slow trains so make sure the spiral is shallow to keep it under the limit. Those showcases are great examples

[reef basin]

Ramp

[shy mulch]

I used to love ramp, now I love spiral

[reef basin]

Spiral less efficient

[shy mulch]

Yes, but looks cool

[hybrid nymph]

I just fixed my train lines

It took an hour and 45 minutes...ugh

but I have another issue, my conveyor belts aren't fast enough

[reef basin]

build more of them

[hybrid nymph]

true

or I could just wait until tier 7 to get faster ones

[short mist]

Here's a question

Factory

[hybrid nymph]

that isn't a question lol

I will post screenshots tomorow of my factory

I also just realized that I'm still running 6 coal generators at my coal/sulfur plant, that makes compacted coal

[wicked narwhal]

How many ficsonium rods as an end goal is ideal to make? I was just running numbers and I dont think making 112 of them is healthy (also I dont think there's enough SAM in the world for it)

[hybrid nymph]

question: so I just did some math and figured out if I setup 8 assemblers I could make 500 compacted coal per minute, and power 26 coal generators plus have enough leftover for my turbofuel for the fuel generators. Although, it would cost 24 power slugs. But it generates 1950 MW. However, by setting up 3 more fuel generators I could do the same thing

[dense violet]

zero

[dense violet]

that's not a question

[hybrid nymph]

should I do it?

or just setup more fuel generators instead to save power slugs?

[green fiber]

Its a question of which fuel you wanna use imo

Do you wanna use the compacted coal to save oil?

If you already have it why not make turbofuel out of it

[hybrid nymph]

if I just setup 8 overclocked fuel generators for the same amount of power slugs, I could make 5000MW instead

I am making turbofuiel out of it, but I have so much compacted coal that I'm just awesome sinking it right now

My primary reason for my oil plant is to make power and make plastic and rubber. I have a train that delivers compacted coal and loads rubber and plastic

[dense violet]

I mean , imo, diluted fuel is easier and puts out a ton of power until nuclear. But if you find it interesting? sure

[hybrid nymph]

I still need to setup more refineries to make more plastic and rubber, but so far it producing a decent amount. I have 8 overclocked refineries both producing plastic and rubber, 4 of each, and I am filling up the train station fast enough

[peak wasp]

new to this game and its wonderful already

hi y'all , i love the map lol

[urban ledge]

hey a friend told me its dangerous to download blueprint files from others, any reason why?

[dense violet]

it's not dangerous except for the fact that there's no quality control , so they could just be busted

also you won't learn how to build yourself

[urban ledge]

fair enough

[peak wasp]

I literally just joined so idk BUT it might be because they're a file that may include other things besides a blueprint. Generally be careful with whatever you download from the internet. You gotta trust the original source.

[reef basin]

like 1/4th of it is probably already more than you'll ever use

[urban ledge]

thankie ^^

imma just watch some guides on how to build on youtube

[hybrid nymph]

I never use blueprints

[dense violet]

and honestly it really does take practice building things.

I'd avoid the guides - just build , you'll learn a ton more

[hybrid nymph]

I like building things myself, it's so much more fun that way

[urban ledge]

also do save files transfer between worlds like if i made a blueprint on a friend's save can i use it on my save?

[dense violet]

if you run into very specific problems yo ucan't seem to solve? just ask 🙂

[urban ledge]

i use em for mega builds

[urban ledge]

got it ^^

[dense violet]

if you transfer the blueprint file yes

[urban ledge]

got it

so blueprints are world specific

[hybrid nymph]

The only thing I can't wrap my head around in this game is train signals, they're so damn hard to use

[urban ledge]

lmaoo my friend was struggling too, she said something about matching timings, play around with em

[hybrid nymph]

I just decided to forgo them entirely and just made 2 seperate tracks for my trains instead so they wouldn't get into a collission

[peak wasp]

can i ask y'all a question? my friend and i have been having connection issues. I'm on Linux they're on windows and if im like hosting a session right, he keeps getting kicked every 10 mins or so lol

[hybrid nymph]

That's why I don't use Linux

[peak wasp]

we've tried editing scalabity.ini, and the other ini files as per the wiki but no luck. I'm starting to have a suspicion its probably something to do with our operating systems, we didn't have this until he upgraded to win11.

[hybrid nymph]

Linux requires you to be smart to use

it's all about the command terminal lol

[peak wasp]

ehh id say its so and so depending on what you do. But I love it regardless, it's mostly just windows being windows again (aka annoying)

[hybrid nymph]

I took a Linux class in college, and I barely passed it

[peak wasp]

im not sure if its satisfactory's engine not interpreting something right but its common among games to have such compatibility issues but ive really got no clue how to fix this

[peak wasp]

oof man haha, i see. It's not that bad I like the challenge. I'm on arch right now

[hybrid nymph]

Windows is stupid people friendly, that's why I like it, not because I'm stupid, I'm actually wuite intellgient, it's just easy

[peak wasp]

its stupid people friendly until you get AI ads in the menu and it glitches out into oblivion and the fonts get all corrupt upon buying a new laptop... yeah that happened to us

we reinstalled win11 2 times until he just gave up and somehow it stopped after a 5th reboot lol

[hybrid nymph]

I have a physical Minecraftm server that I am thinking of converting into a Satifactory server.

[dense violet]

just use block signals everywhere, you never need path.

[peak wasp]

we were thinking about a dedicated but i cant choose between minecraft and satisfactory atm 😭 love em both tbh

[hybrid nymph]

It's an HP Prolaint M5 2013 small business server I picked up at an E-Waste place for $27USD

[peak wasp]

ah thats smart

[hybrid nymph]

Then I went on EBAY and upgraded the CPUs to the best ones that the server could handle and upgraded the RAM to the maximum it could hold, all in all I only paid about $100 for it

[peak wasp]

im too greek to have a stable income for a dedicated server. Also all ISPs in Greece provide their services under a vNAT system which basically means no port forwarding.

I'm stuck with starlink right now dude, I'm not complaining its better than 2mbps but jesus christ.

[hybrid nymph]

I stoppeed running it because my Dad is a conversative and he doesn't believe in green energy so he doesn't get solar in fucking Nevada of all places, where it's horribly hot and sunny 6 months out of the year

[peak wasp]

sounds like greece lol, its always sunny here

my dad's the same lmao

[hybrid nymph]

If we had solar, which he has the money for BTW, we could run the AC and the server for FUCKING FREE

[peak wasp]

omg

[hybrid nymph]

He even has an electric car, but NO he refuses to get fucking solar!!

Even though we could run the server, the AC, and power his car for FUCKING FREE!! He refuses to do it....

[peak wasp]

dude 💀 we've changed everything to solar here. like our water is heated through solar panels, we havent upgraded any AC but that's cause we're in greece, it isnt that advanced

but we get electricity, greece has some dumb laws regarding this and its really restrictive but you can get around them if youre smart

[hybrid nymph]

I would not cost him a damn penny ro charge his car, run the AC, and the server...but NO

he's too conversative and too damn cheap to do it!

because he thinks green energy is stupid

[peak wasp]

fortunately my dad understands technology, he helped me build my new pc and we set up starlink together to get things working.

[hybrid nymph]

I build my own PC

I'm thinking of upgrading sometime in the next year

[peak wasp]

yeah this just sounds like the average dad for some reason its the same thing here, my family believes in like chemtrails and whatever

people just eat these things up and turn into anti climate change conspiracist theories its insane

[peak wasp]

oh i know how to build mine but we just did it together cause it was faster that way.

[hybrid nymph]

I'm going to get a 4070TI GPU and the Ryzen 7 7800X3D and 64 GB of DDR5 RAM

[peak wasp]

4070 omg. i have the 3060 rn

that sounds like a beast dude

[hybrid nymph]

I've got a 2070 Super currently, and a Ryzen 7 5800X both overclocked

I get 120 FPS in the game at 1440P

That nwt computer would last me the next 5 years

I'll show you my computer if you want

[peak wasp]

it would yeah, i gotta save up now cause i need to be saving up for a place and a car atm so its been really tough i still haven't closed the side panel on my pc

[hybrid nymph]

can I PM you?

[peak wasp]

the tower's just naked facing the wall lmao

[peak wasp]

oh for sure, send me why not. id like to see

[azure linden]

you mean a constantly changing IP?

maybe you could try using DuckDNS

make a domain tied to your current IP, then make a script in bash to change the IP when your ISP changes it

[peak wasp]

sorta, they do some shenanigans with it as well. cosmote is messed up in general here. The connection is generall wayyy too unstable lately, which is why I moved to starlink now.

we used to go from 30mbps to 2mbps or sometimes even down to kbps. I am in the countryside though so maybe partly thats what it has to do with ti

[peak wasp]

hmm thanks mate, ill look into it and see if it helps

[azure linden]

damn, that's bad

[peak wasp]

yeah its bad. Now ive got like 150-300mbps standard, so its way better.

[azure linden]

here in poland i have fiber service in my bumfuck nowhere hole of a countryside lol

and a good one at that, 700/400

[peak wasp]

yeah man cause poland's good though, its not greece 😭

[azure linden]

dude, i tried running a 20y/o HP Proliant G3 for a server, then a Dell R610 + Supermicro mobo with 2xs.2011 but it always got told down by my parents, especially my dad lmao

[unkempt blade]

my router includes a service like that which worked surprisingly well before I had a consistent IP

[azure linden]

it's not that hot here, but we still got panels for heating water. we could've gotten energy solars too, but our equivalent of a HOA is a bunch of cheapskates and didn't sign some projects, so only maybe 20 people got them last year xD

also, laws regarding generating power got fucked up last year

before you could have a energy bank and move power directly to it, now you have to send it to the network (you get a small return on what you generated and you measure it in kWh) but when you want to get it back you pay a high markup and it's measured in VA (so less for more bruh)

[azure linden]

hmm, my isp tied me to a general IP when we first signed the papers

but then i just wrote a email if i could get a static ip and they gave it to me lol

without any cost

[unkempt blade]

my current fiber does as well, but my tplink router (between my modem and my computer) gives me a subdomain through their service that points at my network

[azure linden]

damn, why not a direct connection?

my isp gives a PPPOE connection, basically a login to join the network lol

[peak wasp]

41C this summer dude 😭

[azure linden]

31-36 here, maybe 37 max

[azure linden]

damn, i'm waiting for someone to kick us out to #off-topic-general xD

[peak wasp]

ah thats chill

[unkempt blade]

you know what's even better than solar power? factory carts!

[peak wasp]

no we're def talking about the temperatures in like uhh.. Lesbos Greece fr (aka dune desert biome)

[azure linden]

tbh i'm not used to that high of temps, i prefer somewhere around 22-27C

[peak wasp]

my exact thoughts when i come across a plain on the map, like, hmm a big ahh roadway would be PERFECT here.. let's set up a giant coal plant right next to this tree

[azure linden]

not less, not more

[ insert thanos "perfectly balanced, as all things should be" ]

[peak wasp]

honestly same dude, i can't when it goes above 30C. My favourite temperature's like 15-22C. Anything in that range is perfect, you can wear any clothes and you'll be alright.

Okay well not anything anything but yk 😭 it's just survivable. 47.5C is NOT survivable

[azure linden]

spittin straight facts rn

[azure linden]

jesus

[peak wasp]

we had that amount once in a summer... then half my island burned down 💔

[azure linden]

my printer's bed is almost at that temp while printing xD

[unkempt blade]

I mean you're pretty much obligated to. The factory carts won't drive straight if you don't pave it

[unkempt blade]

I don't know what temp Mirage is but I just assume the pioneer feels like crap in that space suit in the sun doing all that construction

[peak wasp]

i assume they're like.. they have internal AC or something in the suit idk 😭

[gusty bronze]

I couldn't afford the A/C bill for 22C lol

[unkempt blade]

nah they got sent there by some soulless space corp, they may not even have access to safe drinking water

[hybrid nymph]

Little known FACT about me

I'm not called "The Professor" for nothing lol
That nickname is for Satisfactory and Minecraft, since I know basically everything about those games off the top of my head

I have my PhD in Minecraft at least

and my master's in this game lol

[gusty bronze]

well known fact about me, I see dead people.... all the time...

[hybrid nymph]

Oof you in Ukraine?

[gusty bronze]

no, jehovas witnesses who don't get the message

[hybrid nymph]

Oh I see

All of the anivaxxers dropped like flies here in the US from Covid19

I'm a very outspoken supporter of science

let's put it that way

[gusty bronze]

lol your a baiter, good to know

[hybrid nymph]

I grew up Mormon, so not much different than Jehova's whitness

I was very deep into it

I left right after I got my mission call

Luckilly I left at the perfect time

[unkempt blade]

maybe you can take your life story over to #off-topic-general ?

[hybrid nymph]

oh yeah good point lol

I'll stop lol

[gusty bronze]

on topic, it only took 4 hours to craft enough plates to get 3 iron lines to the void base 😄

[hybrid nymph]

that;s not too bad

I am on my third playthough of this game

Never actually finished the game, the other 2 times I "finished" were when I completed all the milestones in tier 8, then said "yeah I'm good"

[gusty bronze]

lost count on play throughs, right now doing a void only challange, everything not conveyors, pipes, miners and water pumps must be inside the central void

[hybrid nymph]

I just got to tier 7&8 yesterday

and I finally fixed my trains today. It was a pain in the ass, it took me an hour and 45 minutes to get them working properly

[gusty bronze]

the last tiers are a bit of fun, they make you rework things if you haven't planned for them due to the power requirements

they sine wave your power super bad

[hybrid nymph]

I got to making plutonium fuel rods on my last playthrough, then I stopped

[peak wasp]

sorry to hear that

[hybrid nymph]

yeah, that's rough buddy

I know what it's like to lose someone, I'm only 30 and I've already had 3 of my friends die...

I'll stop offtopic sorry

So I'm going to work on tier 7&8 tomorrow

[ornate abyss]

Reading that, makes me feel bad, cause I'm only on tier 3 😅

[gusty bronze]

it's about the journy and the autism

[hybrid nymph]

Well I mean we started the world back in October of last year, then we took a 6 month break from the game, and started back up 4 days ago after getting bored of Heroes of The Storm

[ornate abyss]

And a lot of free time

[fleet geyser]

Anybody wanna be friends? I never played multiplayer but I am interested in it

[hybrid nymph]

sure

I'm down

I only have my test world right now, since my other game is on my friend's world, but I can show you my first playthrough

It's a little janky to say the least, wll in my defense I had no clue what I was doing lol

It was my first playthough

I stopped at the nuclear reactor

[digital oak]

do we know if console satis and pc will be crossplay?

[hybrid nymph]

Not sure let me ask Google

According to the all knowing God known as Google, the answer is sadly NO

[reef dock]

I have 3x100/min and I want them to go into 5x60/min using a manifold but I'm not sure how to that with mk.2 belts

[digital oak]

im seeing something that says console will have build limits and if pc disables build limits on the world then console wont be able to join

[hybrid nymph]

it's supposed to be crossplay between Xbox and Playstation, but not Switch and PC

[digital oak]

hm

[hybrid nymph]

Coffe Stain currently has no plans to release it on the Switch 2

Which si fine, because I don't even consider it a REAL console for REAL gamers anyways

#PCMasterRace

[fleet geyser]

why would you even get a switch 2 anyway

[hybrid nymph]

I haven't tried modding yet, is it worth doing?

exactly lol

[fleet geyser]

I havent tried modding either to me the game doesnt need anything anymore

Terraforming would be nice but I doubt there is a stable mod for that

My pc already struggles with lumen so I dont wanna risk anything beyond what the game has anyway

[hybrid nymph]

I would like terraforming too

that is the only thing besides: a powersuit, and green energy (solar, wind, and hydroelectric) that's missing from the game

[gusty bronze]

the original point of the game stated way way back when was that you are basically destroying nature for a corporation, so there would never be any green tech in the game

hydroelectric was highly requested at one point, sadly we'll never get it

[hybrid nymph]

I still wish there was a version of Applied Energistics from Minecraft for this game, that seems like the only thing missing

Where it would add a computer with an interface, where you would stick storage drives that you craft into it, that would be 1K, 4K, 16K, and 64K drives, each supporting that many different items, or 63 different item types. instead of having deep storage units for everything you could hook them up to a computer to have all of your stuff displayed in your machine, and you could put in or take out as many items as you want.

Sure the drives wouldn't be cheap to craft so it isn't busted, but still

[fluid sapphire]

this doesnt solve any problem that dimensional depots already dont solve

[hybrid nymph]

I really wish someone would make a mod like that

oh

yeah...

True, that's pretty similar to dimensional depots

[fleet geyser]

The energy thing would be way to overpowered tho even if solar power only works durring the day that can still scale infinitely if you add enough batteries as a buffer

[gusty bronze]

puts on old fart hat I remember the days before the dimensional depot, dark days, we had to walk 50 miles up hill in the snow both ways

[hybrid nymph]

I see that's true, especially if you have wind turbines, you could always have them running, even if each turbine only generated like 50 MW, if you put 100 of them that's still 5000MW

[fluid sapphire]

honestly im glad that this game stayed under my radar for as long as it did

[gusty bronze]

much as I love dimensional depot, it was a complete game changer, compeltely changed how I laid out bases

[fluid sapphire]

literally best inventory system i have ever experienced in a building sandbox, period

[gusty bronze]

before the depots the standard was you build rail out to where you are building and you would have 6-9 trains with multiple cargos of all items needed to build a base, you would then summon those trains to the new location to start building

plus side you already had your rail built when you had the factory up and running, down side, lugging those trains around everywhere

[hybrid nymph]

true that

Alright, it's 4 AM for me, I'm going to go get some rest

[river oriole]

hi

[gusty bronze]

'night

[fluid sapphire]

i dont think the depot takes away any necessity of building rail

[gusty bronze]

it takes away the planning required for not having instant access to building materials

pre-depot my layouts were crazy different

[fluid sapphire]

it made an old system obsolete, the same way cars made horses obsolete

[ivory condor]

There is mod that adds terraforming but it isnt stable at all, so I wouldn't touch that, it basically turns the game into sort of Minecraft but it has some very serious optimization issues, so it might as well be a broken mod, as the more chunks that were generated the worse the performance became and this happened very quickly

[mortal ginkgo]

Wouldnt it be useful to have drones to send stuff to where you are?

Instead of trains that is

[fluid sapphire]

not enough throughput i imagine

[mortal ginkgo]

ok lets make concrete 3 drones, how fast these guys putting stuff anyway?

maybe there is a deep lore I am missing but eh..

[gusty bronze]

for building I can easily go through several thousand concrete a minute

[fluid sapphire]

pretty fast i am betting, i have... i think 6 uploaders for concrete, i imagine thats a lot quicker than what 3 drones could carry, and its sometimes not enough

[mortal ginkgo]

👍

[gusty bronze]

the save my friend and I share have 10 concrete uploaders at max speed, can still outpace them with blueprint building

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1312496662178037760/image.png?ex=68a96a05&is=68a81885&hm=fd64d8be9403b6a9b80a56893c8f4c84f99b278ac95d408a50fc0362c35400c9

that is a single tower making circuit boards only lol, building that way murders depots

[fluid sapphire]

how many boards

[mortal ginkgo]

Interesting, almost no decoration but you guys still use a lot of concrete

[gusty bronze]

I think the end result was like 4k in boards, forget what I was doing with it, was last year

[fluid sapphire]

ok yeah thats pretty wild

i thought i was planning to make a lot at 300 per minute xd

but this also seems to be print cube design?

[gusty bronze]

2 things I can't stress enough

1. don't forget to use sloops to multiple limited game items such as slugs
2. always, always plan on maximizing your nodes resources, even if you don't use it now, you will use it later

[fluid sapphire]

i imagine that makes scaling up a lot easier

[gusty bronze]

blueprints were a game changer, like major positive plus super fun time game changer

[fluid sapphire]

yeah i use sloops no problem. i am planning to sloop much of my eventual elevator part factory

as for nodes, its equation balancing

i tend to build my things as a network

[gusty bronze]

early game sloops double your slugs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1310578447227031582/image.png?ex=68a9070b&is=68a7b58b&hm=8f3c026d7e2ed1288fe721c86f2df9561e3a1f56e3c912961a0b3fd6744c177b&

[fluid sapphire]

i am not in the early game 😄

[gusty bronze]

every time I start, I don't use slugs till I can get that crafted

[fluid sapphire]

i have loads of shards to spare, i rarely use them outside of miners/extractors

[burnt ferry]

#screenshots message one pure oil node translates to 133 fully overclocked fuel generators and 33 fully overclocked coal generators using dark ion fuel and nitro rocket fuel recipes?

[gusty bronze]

priorty for slugs for me

1. miners
2. shrinking factories
3. water

[burnt ferry]

0. power generators

[gusty bronze]

falls under "shrinking factories" for me

[fluid sapphire]

well, yeah those are prime use cases, exactly how i use them. but i dont shrink unless i simply cant fit my stuff otherwise. normally i build veeery big in terms of spacing

[river oriole]

Is there like a certain good power output in oil power? like what is recommended?

[burnt ferry]

i dont know what else rfalls into that. im considering generators special as overclocking them has no penalty

[fluid sapphire]

i am not a fan of compact design

[austere lichen]

Slugs aren't limited anymore, and shards are basically endless late game

[gusty bronze]

the math doesn't sound quiet right, you shouldn't be using that coal for coal generators

[burnt ferry]

apparently i can provide fuel for 133 generators, which are 625 mw each..

[river oriole]

per 1 node?

[gusty bronze]

thats why the double recipe is only used early game

[burnt ferry]

what else? the recipes down the line are not using it.. only alternative is sinking

i know there is a variant where the compacted coal gets consumed by recipes down the lines.. this is different.. here its extra.. so i can sink it.. create something else from it (both consuming power) or i just genrate something extra..

[austere lichen]

Im in phase 3, slooped all my slugs. Out of the 900 ish shards i use maybe 10

Id say its a non issue for any1 starting and non powergamers

[burnt ferry]

i use them more to fine tune.. like not put 3 shards, but sometimes one, sometimes two and then match numbers down the production line

[fluid sapphire]

examples of how i typically space stuff out
#screenshots message

[burnt ferry]

ive unlocked the recipe.. but im still collecting the remaining slugs because its so much easier

[gusty bronze]

looking for it, was over a year ago when I did it, but I used the compactor coal from previous steps to make more turbo fuel since I ran out of sulpher nodes

[burnt ferry]

yea thats a different recipe.. it uses normal coal and also normal fuel. so the turbo fuel step is skipped

[gusty bronze]

the only leftover I had after reusing all leftovers from each fuel process was a bity of resin

[burnt ferry]

so the compacted coal is just by product.. hence making power from it seems the most reasonable thing to do (when the fac is about power generation)

[burnt ferry]

its the nitro rocket fuel recipe.. it just uses coal, no compacted coal, it generates compacted coal

the rocket fuel then gets into the converter along with dark matter crystals... 🤔 wasnt there a recipe to make diamonds from compact coal??

ah no... petroleum coal

[burnt ferry]

youve been using the turbo heavy fuel recipe prolly. it uses compacted coal.. im skipping that step

[fluid sapphire]

if only there was

[gusty bronze]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ygyYt5ZAFCVzmfgfC5qk was my rocket fuel step

funny I still had that link lol

[burnt ferry]

it says by product compacted coal

youre doing exactly what im doing according to this

like except for the final conversion to the dark ion thing

[gusty bronze]

yes but I reuse the compactoed coal to make more fuel, not burn it in the coal power plant

[burnt ferry]

but how?

none of your inputs are using the compact coal

unless you talk about a different fac doing this

[gusty bronze]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=m9fV5ywU200r36DQgBHe this with modifications

[burnt ferry]

so you are making turbofuel

[gusty bronze]

basically it's 1 factor with 3 outputs, resin, rocket fuel and compacted coal, the rocket fuel goes to the ion factory, the resin goes to make bottles and the compacted goes to making turbo

[burnt ferry]

but what for? i want to make rocket fuell

anyway you basically just showed all the things i said before 😂

you are using the compact coal to make turbofuel, whichim not using at all in my setup

[gusty bronze]

it's maximizing the energy output, you will get far more using that coal to make more turbo

[burnt ferry]

but what do i do with the turbo fuel?

if you look at your very own rocket fuel recipe you will see you dont need it either

[gusty bronze]

burn it or if you have the extra mats make more rocket fuel

[burnt ferry]

ah wait

you say the power output of the turbofuel is better than that of the compact coal generators

[gusty bronze]

yes

[burnt ferry]

like same idea but one step more

[gusty bronze]

yes

[burnt ferry]

well.. gotcha.. but i say i can easily postpone this and do the coal generators for now

and then eventually replace that

[gusty bronze]

yeah if you don't need the power yet you can just burn it for now

[burnt ferry]

im currently on casual fuel generators only

also

its to tempting to make the turbofuel into rocket fuel with the other recipe, using both recipes in parallel 😂

[gusty bronze]

so this bad boy is the end setup

#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

ya'll can actually be bothered to deal with the compacted coal

[gusty bronze]

and this was my node setup

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1299342551920148533/image.png?ex=68a9054c&is=68a7b3cc&hm=01c73e68975e51d139ec6dd4656ced620ff5cb0e406804befe0143bcd899e94f

[burnt ferry]

i just travelled to the eastern blue pit and started to build foundations

i have no clue how to make a clean circle without taking forever

[gusty bronze]

if you use all byproducts for pretty much anything in the game, the math usually works out in your favor

like that resin turns in to containers for the packager to send to my dark ion facility

[fluid sapphire]

my math for compacted coal is sink it, because it seems too much effort to use it for anything that would be worth the time building

[gusty bronze]

100% worth it 😄

[fluid sapphire]

not for me, i feel like i am so flush with power i dont really need it

for the scale i work with

i already have more power than i imagine i will use

[burnt ferry]

i noticed something in my alu setup.. like i rebuild the pipes to make it more clean and that lead to my production getting stuck.. the reason wasnt the water but the alu fluid was backing up... apparently i had wired the wrong facilities together with the re-piping... like i made a refinery consume the water of a refinery it wouldnt send its alu fluid to...

so i made new blueprints with pairs of refineries making alu fluid and then alu scrap, reusing the water and one extra pipe input with an unpowered pump per pair of refineries.. ===> beautifull smoothness

[gusty bronze]

you will always use more power than you think

[burnt ferry]

about byproducts

[fluid sapphire]

knowing what i still need to construct, and the scale i work with, its highly doubtful

[burnt ferry]

havent reached that point yet.. i dont have insane production permanently running... and my battery arrays tank every peak.. like i have ten times the max consumption than my capa

[gusty bronze]

thats one of the better setups, make sure you use a pipe bump to create a priority for the water flow, unless they fixed it there used to be a floating point error generating more water than you needed

[burnt ferry]

thats what the unpowered pump is for

if you put that before the extra supply goes into the junction, itll have low prio for some reason

hast to do with resetting headlift.. stil dont understand how thats making the prio

[fluid sapphire]

like i set up 270GW at blue crater (half of which i cant use until i get mk6 belts), right now my total consumption is like 35GW, i imagine i will hit maybe 150 total by the end of the game

[burnt ferry]

same

rush them mk6 belts.. they really change things.. and theyre cheap

[gusty bronze]

think of it of lower pressure vs higher pressure

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1296922046038544436/image.png?ex=68a97187&is=68a82007&hm=a9f5ba9ec2fd2429ed2aeacf873453641c6584f01f9d0ef261c51544011b82c9

the water on the factory side has higher pressure than the water coming in

[burnt ferry]

of course

dont know why resetting the head lift accomplishes that though

[fluid sapphire]

i cant be bothered really

[gusty bronze]

used to have a diagram with the math for it

[burnt ferry]

theyre great acceleration strips for the liquid fuel jetpack 😂

[gusty bronze]

friend and I put put the mk6's in front of a hyber tube

launch your butt to the strasphere

[fluid sapphire]

i bet. i already rushed tier 8 though, i dont want to rush through the rest of the game

mk5 will do fine for the things i have planned for now

[azure linden]

i already exceeded mk5 speeds lol (1400 bauxite for alu lol)

and mk6 at that also

but i split it to 2 x 700 so it works

[fluid sapphire]

i am making 4500 aluminum ingots just fine with mk5 belts, even if it does look completely nuts

[gusty bronze]

but why make 4500 ingots when you can make 35000 ingots? 😄

[burnt ferry]

ye dont worry.. i know how the math is supposed to work.. i dont understand why resetting the headlift is making the math work that way in particular... like im thinking with zero 'headlift' (which is prolly related to pressure (which isnt pressure by the way but throughput but thats a different topic)) the liquid wouldnt move at all.. but i guess the consumers are somehow magically dragging it still and then itll get pushed back by the liquid coming from the facility? like that somehow?

[gusty bronze]

the tism demands 35000 ingots

[azure linden]

wait, he's got a point

[fluid sapphire]

is there even enough bauxite on the map to make 35 000 aluminum ingots

[gusty bronze]

one sec while math

[burnt ferry]

with converter prolly

[fluid sapphire]

sure but thats costly

[burnt ferry]

i know.. thats why i dont like to use sftools 😂

[river oriole]

is there a need for so much of it tho? Im in phase 3 so i want to know if im gonna have to build massive factories for that

[burnt ferry]

because i always hve to disable it first

[burnt ferry]

certainly not

[fluid sapphire]

seems like a small price to pay for the best tool

[burnt ferry]

but thats not a reason to not produce it

[gusty bronze]

16400 ingots

[fluid sapphire]

need for what?

[gusty bronze]

so let me amend my previous statement, why 4500 when you can 16400 ingots? 😄

[river oriole]

need for 1000s of items/min

[burnt ferry]

of course

base mats are jumping high quickly

[gusty bronze]

yes, I literally have a save with a steel pipe factory making 8k steel pipes

[river oriole]

a min>?

[burnt ferry]

late game products of course dont need mk6 belts to be transported.. but the mats to make them

[gusty bronze]

yes

[azure linden]

most items, yes

screws, yeeees

[fluid sapphire]

you can beat the game without doing that, many of us like making more than is strictly necessary though. in my case, i actually accounted for half of it, the rest is just so i can use it later and dont have to deal with it anymore

[burnt ferry]

like cloudy diamonds which is limestone plus coal equals diamonds takes 900 limesstone per minute per machine when overclocked

[river oriole]

[burnt ferry]

two machines already too much for mk6 belt

[fluid sapphire]

i dont have mk3 miners, and i like easy recipes like sloppy alumina-> pure ingot

and 4500 is already more than i can see myself ever needing

[azure linden]

i'm waiting for mk7 belts and mk4 miners in base game xD

[gusty bronze]

mk6 belts is required for pure nodes maxed out, but you don't "need" mk6 past that point, they just make belts cleaner

[fluid sapphire]

it took me like 2 weeks to get this set up

[hard ivy]

default and turbo diamonds take 600 coal/min at 100%

[burnt ferry]

lets have mk3 oil extractors, mk3 pipes and working priority valves first

[azure linden]

or that

[river oriole]

Well what would be a recommended amunt of circut board for a phase 3 player? im about to go build a factory for them\

[gusty bronze]

been asking for years and they said it would break the game 🙁

[azure linden]

wait, mk3 oil extractors?

[burnt ferry]

when overclocked

[burnt ferry]

lul..

[fluid sapphire]

there is a limit to the scale which my sanity can tolerate. this project seems to be right on the edge of that limit

[azure linden]

are there mk2 oil exts?

[gusty bronze]

honestly about 2k/min will set you up till end of game

[burnt ferry]

no

i mixed up

[fluid sapphire]

wtf my guy xd

[hard ivy]

because the pipe code was written by a lunatic

[gusty bronze]

no you didn't, we need mk2 and mk3 oil pumps

[river oriole]

[uncut wren]

2000... 😨

[gusty bronze]

dead serious, circuits are a primary item for nearly everything tier4 and 5

[burnt ferry]

one caterium board and then put a slope in it.. should be enough 😂

[river oriole]

i was thinking of making 20/min..

[burnt ferry]

i made a bigger array for phase 4 requirements

[fluid sapphire]

i am going to make 300, and thats already much more than is needed to easily beat phase 4

[uncut wren]

Im boutta reach tier 7/8 and I have no farm for it...

[burnt ferry]

isnt that a slopped assembler?

[river oriole]

no

i dont have that yet

thats why im making circut board

[azure linden]

tbh last run i used a schematic that made 5 computers and 1.875 supercomputers/min, it lasted me until the end

[hazy sun]

Hi everyone, can you pls help me with my topic in #1038092680493801533 ?

[gusty bronze]

that honestly sounds painfully slow, like a lot of just leaving your computer on to let time run out

[azure linden]

you should be able to, if they're not glitched

[burnt ferry]

a slopped assembler is an assembler where you produce them boards with two somerslop in it.. the caterium wire circuit board makes 8.75/min, times two from them slops makes 17, which is what i had roughly in memory

so you wont need more than 4 assemblers in case you cant use slops yet or dont have enough

[azure linden]

bro, my pc rn is at 7 days of being on, so thats not a problem for me xD

[hazy sun]

i cant using chainsaw and just hitting them

[river oriole]

yea i know how somer sloops work

[azure linden]

you need to use nobelisks

you research them in the MAM

iirc

[hazy sun]

ty

[gusty bronze]

ahh, that makes your priorities different, I don't leave mine on so I try to maximize the items per min for the time I'm actively playing

[quiet gust]

Whom

[burnt ferry]

i have an overproduction of them radio transmission things and cooling modules, ima try the supercomputer recipe that uses theses.. but other than that i also have only one super computer manufacturer so far

[quiet gust]

Yeah but it's generally better to make em on site not off site

[river oriole]

Should i focus on getting hard drives? i dont have alot of alternate recipes

[burnt ferry]

yes

[gusty bronze]

yes, always yes

[river oriole]

for example i dont have the caterium circut board

[burnt ferry]

and dont pick recipes until you hneed them

[river oriole]

i usually just skip the ones that need power

[burnt ferry]

if you keep them unchoosen they wont roll for the next harddrive again

we hit the limits of possible recipes in our new savegame very fast when doing that strictly

ie. we had all recipes we wanted very fast

[gusty bronze]

like once you get to a semi comfortable level, specially when you can build power towers, highly recommend scouting for as many hard drives, spheres and sloops as possible

[reef basin]

or pick all and get all

[river oriole]

i gues i should get the option to scan them then

[burnt ferry]

ye.. my condition is the jetpack and liquid biofuel.. although i do a first or two first round with the parachute already because you can glitch upwards with it.. but its annoying so jetpack ftw

and then just go as high as you can and ..... jump..... power towers can be helpful along with the zipline to reach some heights.. but in general just platforms an ladders

[untold elm]

who's idea was it to add the cat ear helmet

I love it so damn much

[river oriole]

good thing i have a quartz factory becuase i need alot of quartz crystals

[river oriole]

probably a dev

[burnt ferry]

well... actually only with some specific recipes that is 😂

[untold elm]

that was a rhetorical question

[river oriole]

mine was a joke

[river oriole]

i just have one factory with crystals and silica

[untold elm]

well then I guess I just missed it entirely

[burnt ferry]

asked in a community which is either autistidc or extremely sarcastic but nothing in between 👹

[untold elm]

I've been here like three times before

I only got back into satisfactory yesterday

[river oriole]

now i gotta go afk for like 20 mins because the crystal oscillators need to be made

😭

[untold elm]

I gave up because my ADHD ass would not do the math for a rotor factory

[hard ivy]

use an online calculator

[untold elm]

And come on it wasn't that hard to be honest, simple multiplication

[river oriole]

just use a planner

[untold elm]

that just confused me more

I'd prefer to just do it myself

Although the satisfactory planner on steam does help me

[river oriole]

i use the google one

[burnt ferry]

try the steam tool.. that allows you to build your factory step by step

[untold elm]

yeah that's what I'm using

[burnt ferry]

its the best tool imo.. certainly best graph and best handling and it has all the same calculations the other tools also have

[untold elm]

but I'm not using the calculators, those make no sense to me

[river oriole]

wdym

[untold elm]

when I tried to use it, all the numbers made zero sense and I had no clue how it all flowed

[river oriole]

is it like a tool on steam?

[burnt ferry]

ye its a bit confusing in the beginning.. but basically just leave everything empty and let the tool calculate the numbers based on inputs

that works pretty much the same as with them website tools its just less intuitive at that point

[burnt ferry]

satisfactory modeler

[river oriole]

Ah. Thanks

[burnt ferry]

its free.. as far as i understood you can also obtain it from somewhere else than steam which can make sense because steam trys to prohibit you to use the tool on a different pc while playing the game on another one .. theres no issues in using them at the same time on just one pc though

[river oriole]

alright fellas now i can scan hard drives

[burnt ferry]

you start by right clicking to put a facility like you would in game.... this just puts that fac and then you can say how many machines or how much output you desire and it tells you the inputs

[silk rose]

is there satisfactory clan on wplace?

[burnt ferry]

you can then go a head (if you want onlY) and drag form the inputs or outputs to further specifyu the production line

[fluid sapphire]

i think modeler is much harder to parse than sftools

[burnt ferry]

which i very much prefer workflow ise

[burnt ferry]

it does have a steeper curve at some parts because its not super intuitive at first.. the help is brief and precise and once you understand how things work, it makes more sense

but yes.. the online tools can come over easier at first

[fluid sapphire]

all i need is a graph with numbers, i can figure out the rest

[burnt ferry]

do so while scouting.. likje build a mam, start scan, deconstruct, continue scouting

[burnt ferry]

thats why i use modeler.. because i dontl ike how sftools orders the graph... i cant read shit in it.. and while you can move the nodes around, theyll jump back as ssoon as you change something else..

[river oriole]

like this? #screenshots \

[burnt ferry]

and thats very frustrating after having reordered hunrdeds of nodes in a complex facility (where it makes sense to reorder because no alogirhtm can make such readable trivially)

[fluid sapphire]

this is a side effect of how you set your graphs up, if you keep modules small, there is nothing better

[burnt ferry]

yep.. see my screenwhot above it 😂

[burnt ferry]

of course but i dont keep all my modules small

specifically if i dont have to just by using a different tool

[fluid sapphire]

fair enough, personally i find large modules to be difficult to parse, no matter the tools

[burnt ferry]

its like saying if you just go slow you can go by bike.. but of course that doesnt help when i want to travel from LA to new york reasonably fast

[fluid sapphire]

thats not the same thing at all

[burnt ferry]

look you said 'if you keep your models small'.. i dont have that constraint when i use modeler, thats the point, ok?

[fluid sapphire]

managing modules on sftools doesnt take any more time than doing so does on modeler

its just more manual

[burnt ferry]

i havent said that

i have specifically addressed your point that you conditioned by 'if you keep your models small'

[fluid sapphire]

it was the analogy

[reef basin]

do calculations first and then reorder

[river oriole]

but what are the number in the dark grey and light grey?

[reef basin]

or use the tables

[burnt ferry]

same thing

i dont have to.. so why should I?

[sage jay]

quick question, can i set the amount of items i get from depot or is it always a stack

[fluid sapphire]

why do you need to micromanage it?

[burnt ferry]

im saying i know a tool that does all these things i want (which might not necessarily be the things you want)

[sage jay]

ok so no

[burnt ferry]

and yuou try to convince me to use a different tool, when there is no reason t all too...

[reef basin]

I'm not?

[fluid sapphire]

greeny has me blocked because he is a snowflake

[burnt ferry]

i know.. im also not talking to you green

[burnt ferry]

you kiddin?

[reef basin]

you replied to me, I assumed you're talking to me

[fluid sapphire]

nope, dead serious

[burnt ferry]

not really, you chimed into a discussion that i had with insane, and since you had similar positions you misunderstood my rsponses to them as responses to you

[fluid sapphire]

no sense in the game of telephone

[burnt ferry]

i mean it doesnt matter anyway as we all use the tool we want as far as i understood?

[reef basin]

#satisfactory message this message is a direct reply to my message
then you said 3 more messages without insane saying anything relevant in meantime, so I assumed the messages are follow up to the first reply

[fluid sapphire]

i wasnt actually trying to convince you, it was more about the recommendation for the tool

that you made earlier to a third person

[reef basin]

yes they are

[river oriole]

[burnt ferry]

bro... get something to be busy with, youre too bored currently 😂 and im saying that because i know that from myself, so no offense mate

[reef basin]

how is "reply to a ping message" being bored 🤔

[dense violet]

just block them, they'll just waste precious seconds of your life

[fluid sapphire]

this is exactly why i find greeny so annoying

[reef basin]

eh, I block people who are directly toxic to me, I don't block people for just no reason

[dense violet]

actively being antagonistic counts and they are definitely that

[fluid sapphire]

i critisized him for this non-answers and um..technically there is no best answer, do what you want kind of rhetoric whenever someone asks a question here

[dense violet]

they were one of the easiest blocks I've seen on the server

[fluid sapphire]

which is nonsense to anyone who is looking for guidance

[quiet gust]

Imo blocking ppl wastes more time cause I read the messages anyway

[dense violet]

I mean, that a choice you make xD I only uncover them when it seems like they are suggesting bad advice to people

[reef basin]

except that's not true, because I'm actively asking people whom I give my answers about their priorities... the fact that they rarely reply is a different problem not related to my answer

[quiet gust]

There is a balance. I like to PREFACE that you can do whatever then give a suggestion

[dense violet]

its less annoying than seeing the god awful things they type out

[quiet gust]

Or the reverse order

[hard ivy]

I wish blocking people made their messages completely invisible

[reef basin]

||unofficial clients can do that||

[fluid sapphire]

i would think that anyone who is asking for advice, is not asking literally about how they should do a thing, rather they are asking for perspective - i find that the assumption on the answering side, that assumes that the asker will take this advice literally, is condescending as hell - people are not idiots, there is more than one way to process information

i find a lot of greenys answers assume the asker is an idiot

thats what annoys me about greeny

[reef basin]

i find that the assumption on the answering side, that assumes that the asker will take this advice literally, is condescending as hell
except from my experience here, most of the people really do follow first advice they are given without any second thought

[hard ivy]

plus the answer "every recipe is good because it can be used in at least one very specific situation" is not helpful at all

[fluid sapphire]

i still believe they should be given the benefit of the doubt

this is the exact condescension i was talking about

[reef basin]

that's why I ask them about their priorities

[quiet gust]

Yes but no advice isn't helpful

[reef basin]

that's why I ask them about their priorities

[dense violet]

wdym 'no advice'? if this is about recipe changes then you need to be specific about your priorities otherwise there's no real answer

[reef basin]

and this is exactly the problem I meet here almost daily... someone coming here with "I was told to use recipe X but recipe X seems like crap and I wasted my time building it, why was I told to use recipe X"

[fluid sapphire]

i spend way too much time on here every day and i dont remember the last time i saw something like that

[reef basin]

it's less nowdays, but it's still very common

there's nothing like "waste a drive" anyway 😛

given we have more drives than we need

[dense violet]

it's as bad as when people just essentially say 'use X recipe for this thing' without knowing the situation the person is in or their priorities

and everyone would be better off if they were like you

[hard ivy]

collecting drives takes time. if you spend a drive on a recipe you aren't gonna use is a waste of drive and a waste of time

[reef basin]

and the time is fixed since you're gonna most likely eventually collect all anyway

[hard ivy]

nah I'm sorry that is a take absolutely detached from reality

par for the course for a person who hasn't played in 5 years tbh

[reef basin]

like cobalt with thousands of hours?

stop fucking using "you haven't played" as an argument, since it's not relevant at all, when all I'm doing is repeating what knowledgable people said

[dense violet]

because of travel options?

[fluid sapphire]

this is an assumption about how people want to play their game, not everyone wants to spend their time on that

[hard ivy]

less than half the people who completed the game collected 100 drives. and that isn't even all fo them

[reef basin]

pre-1.0 drives don't count for that

[dense violet]

ahh right. Honestly after having trapsed through the map fully like 7 times I just use scim

[hard ivy]

I'm looking at steam achievements. both are post-1.0

[reef basin]

yes and steam achievements don't trigger on drives you collected pre-1.0

[hard ivy]

I keep using it because it keeps showing lmao

[dense violet]

but you can dismantle them now 😄

[reef basin]

same statistics also say that 34% of people finished phase 1

but only 33% built space elevator

[dense violet]

but you're also legendary at terrible arguments so it scans

[reef basin]

so how can you use THAT as a reliable metric