satisfactory

[white dawn]

(Though a corollary to that is that you probably want to ensure that your vehicles aren't right near their max throughput limit -- you ideally want your vehicles to be able to withstand a few dozen seconds of delay on a round-trip and still "make up" the lost time on the next load)

[green fiber]

If its anything above 90° it causes deadlocks

[hard ivy]

Hmm, actually, Ionized is only inefficient if you consider the opportunity cost of not burning the rocket fuel

in terms of converting power into more power, Ionized is actually way more efficient than Ficsonium

[versed plinth]

i am beyond annoyed rn

[modest nest]

Same

[mortal ginkgo]

[versed plinth]

i cant make a pre-signaled train intersection

[modest nest]

Oh I just haven't eaten very much today

[acoustic heart]

Dude, the mk6 belts are sick

Also, I think converters are the coolest building

[versed plinth]

wait until you have to make a bunch of them 😭

[green fiber]

Still better than refinery spam

[versed plinth]

im more talking about how dam expensive they are

[acoustic heart]

Oh Im aware at how many resources they take lol.

[green fiber]

Skill issue just build more stuff

[white dawn]

Yeah, converters definitely look cool

[versed plinth]

its actually the dimensional storage

even with mods i can only build like 2 sets of 6x converters at a time

[green fiber]

Thats why you don't rely on the depot for everything

If you know you're gonna build converters a lot, grab soms stuff

[unkempt blade]

yeah, you rely on factory carts for everything and when they're too slow you hijack one and drive it around your skatepark

[acoustic heart]

My issue is managing my inventory space. For some reason I have had like 3 slots of screws since the beginning.

[versed plinth]

but i dont wannaaaaa

[green fiber]

Boooooo pioneer with inventory management issues detected

[acoustic heart]

All this cool alien tech and no FICIST backpack??

[heavy pine]

Don't be afraid to toss things in the trash. Or if you don't want to waste it, put down an AWESOME sink and connect a storage container to it with your fastest belt, then toss your unneeded stuff in there.

[mortal ginkgo]

those people wouldn't survive a minute pre 1.0 AM I RIGHT FELLAS

[hard ivy]

the solution is more depots

[acoustic heart]

Oh I trash parts all the time lol

[modest nest]

Yeahhhh

[mortal ginkgo]

YEAH

[versed plinth]

god i hated pre 1.0

i got hardstuck in oil because oil power generators were so freaking expensive

[unkempt blade]

blasphemy! go build a central mall the way god and nature intended for factory games

[modest nest]

They weren't that expensive

[acoustic heart]

I never made it passed aluminum pre 1.0

[green fiber]

I never made it past

[unkempt blade]

but that's where it starts getting really good!

[versed plinth]

they wanted computers and HMFs and stuff and i just wasnt experienced enough to "just set up automation" at the time

[modest nest]

Ah

[acoustic heart]

Aluminum always frustrated me. I think I got a handle on it now. Im close to beating phase 5 now

[obtuse gull]

Would it be possible for someone to hop in a VC with me and help with my turbo power plant?

[unkempt blade]

Yeah if you try to recycle the water it can be weird until you understand pipes well. But that phase is also hoverpacks and mk5 belts which is where I thought building got to maximum funness

[green fiber]

Also oops,
Sorry, didnt even notice you made a typo in your message i was just making a joke that my message is unfinished.

Didnt wanna make it look like i was trying to correct you

(Dean i mean)

[acoustic heart]

You are good. I prefer someone catch me on my slip ups lol

[twin bay]

Did they say when the console release is

[mortal ginkgo]

in 2 hours

[twin bay]

Wait rlly?

[mortal ginkgo]

no

[hard ivy]

2025

[unkempt blade]

Just the idea of playing this game on a console stresses me out. It'll be interesting to see how it runs

[modest nest]

Probably decently well

[acoustic heart]

I have friends that play console and I want to get them into the game

[unkempt blade]

Is there already controller support? I've never bothered to try it

[modest nest]

Game is pretty optimized, I don't know how well they'll be able to build vertically on console but

[mortal ginkgo]

Combat should be interesting...

[acoustic heart]

Anyone play on the steam deck? I recently got one

[fluid sapphire]

the idea of playing this game on a controller seems like doing surgery with mittens on

[modest nest]

You can test it, it should have controller support already

[white dawn]

Yeah, we've had lots of reports from Steam Deck users; apparently runs surprisingly well

You'd probably be best off spreading out rather than making huge single-location factories, but should be just fine

[acoustic heart]

I might check it out today

[white dawn]

(I usually recommend that regardless, but presumably it'd be a little more important for performance reasons on the Deck)

And yeah, controller support landed in 1.1

[acoustic heart]

I usually keep things spread out. I do want to make a large mega factory one day

[unkempt blade]

that's how I imagine it too. I like my xbox controller for stuff with a simple interface or limited numbers of action buttons but building especially feels like it would be a lot to manage with a joystick

[modest nest]

Also the lack of mods, specifically infinite zoop

[willow glen]

I find that console players are a lot quicker with radial menus than us PC players are. I find the aiming slower, and you can’t auto-aim a building, so I’m interested to see how they overcome that

[modest nest]

Time to plug the mnk into the console

[heavy pine]

Do trees grow back after you've chainsawed them down?

[modest nest]

No

[fluid sapphire]

i have just now, at around 800 hours started to work radial menus into my workflow and damn, its so much more convenient

[willow glen]

I mean why not, I use controller on PC games (ports usually) that were made for controllers. Inverse needs to be common place already

[heavy pine]

Hrm, could've sworn I've seen trees respawn but I must be mistaken. Oh well, time to get some nature out of the way.

[acoustic heart]

Yeah, who needs trees

[hexed plover]

Horribly

[lime ermine]

I have a huge late game factory and get about 40-50 fps in it, graphics are terrible but you get used to it

[acoustic heart]

I figured I would have to turn the graphics down

[lime ermine]

It does that automatically

[heavy pine]

The falling trees are a nice touch. Completely unnecessary, but fun to watch.

[acoustic heart]

I like watching trees and stuff blow up

[heavy pine]

I suppose I could start using nobelisks to do my deforestation. It's not like I need the biomass anymore.

[white dawn]

I think the folks who've been playing on Steam Deck (and other controller users since 1.1) have found it to be good enough, at least.

I suspect at least some of it is just familiarity. I've never had consoles, so I tend to find controllers quite awkward even for genres which they ostensibly are good at

(Like I recently played a twin-stick shooter which is theoretically a controller strongpoint, but in the end I still found keyboard+mouse to be a lot better for me)

[acoustic heart]

I have a depot on my nobelisks so Im always blowing stuff up

[white dawn]

Just about the only game I've actually enjoyed a controller on is Katamari Damacy. :D

[heavy pine]

Oh, certainly. One of the first things I did once I unlocked nobelisks was to make a factory to produce them and upload them to the depot.

[crisp edge]

i think i've hit the mid game and am being plagued by choice paralysis and the dilemma of being forced out of my main base for oil product production. like i don't love the biome i found oil in, it doesn't seem easy to build in, and thus far i've been just building floor on top of floor with each new thing i need to produce(screenshot in #screenshots ). it's not pretty, but it's pretty cool(to me as a new player).

I almost feel like i'd benefit from a satisfactory tutor, so to speak. someone to hop on a call with me and kind of give me some direction on where i should go with the playthrough, decide whether to use belts or trucks or trains to move things around, etc. i've been watching some youtube videos and i'm just struggling to figure out where to go from here

[main topaz]

If you are ever unsure of what to do, just focus on making the next project assembly part.

[unkempt blade]

That actually seems like a great start if you're a newer player. The main thing I'd say is everyone makes a mess and hits some speed bumps the first time they play but you learn how to do it better by making that mess. Try to break big projects up into smaller projects when you can and it'll help a lot with feeling overwhelmed

[crisp edge]

yeah, first playthrough, been playing for 2 weeks and approaching 70 hours

[acoustic heart]

Yeah, breaking up big projects is 100% the way to go

[crisp edge]

what do you guys mean exactly by breaking up big projects

what's an example of a big project being broken up

[unkempt blade]

As you unlock new materials you're often using previous materials to combine into the new ones. You don't have to do EVERYTHING at the same time or in one place and can do part of that new item then the next part, etc.

the production chains gets increasingly complicated so it's good to find steps to reach the final goal

[modest nest]

Like a small factory here that only makes HMF and another here that makes computers and circuit boards because they use similar parts

[crisp edge]

yeah this is what i'm noticing as i hit oil

[versed plinth]

honestly

im pretty sure my new power shard factory will almost definitely deadlock

i have no idea what to do about the dark matter crystals

[crisp edge]

i also just watched a video on power last night and watching the chain of nuclear > uranium waste > refining that > nuclear > plutonium waste > refining that > ficsonium power was a trip and a half to watch

[modest nest]

Basically each time I need a new set of items I automate them again in a new spot where I'm planning to use them, I don't add on to an existing spot and transport them over

[unkempt blade]

As far as your vehicles vs belts question - belts are going to be bulletproof and do things most reliably so they're probably easier to use. Vehicles are a lot of fun though so when you need a break play with them a bit and see if you like using them

[dense turtle]

yeah i just tried trucks today

and i hate them respectfully

[modest nest]

Stuck on an invisible wall

[versed plinth]

they get stuck on the bad vibes in the air sometimes

[dense turtle]

even besides that

[white dawn]

They definitely have a learning curve, but if you are willing to put in the time/effort to get used to them, they're a great tool for logistics

[acoustic heart]

Im not a huge fan of trucks. I want to experiment with them more though

[wicked nacelle]

they're trash, don't worry about it.

[white dawn]

I admit I rarely use trucks; I nearly always just stick to tractors

[acoustic heart]

Need to get some highway blueprints going

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that building roads/highways for vehicles is purely a labor of love

[dense turtle]

i prefer just trains and belts

[white dawn]

Vehicles generally work best on the map's natural roads (which, yes, does impose some restrictions on route selection)

[acoustic heart]

Oh for sure. I like doing that stuff though

[crisp edge]

there are roads?!

[white dawn]

Sure, everyone's got their preferences for logistics. :)

[wicked nacelle]

they're just natural paths through the world -- not paved ones

[acoustic heart]

The only thing I have not put enough love into is tractors and trucks

[white dawn]

Personally, IMO all of the available logistics options have niches where they're excellent (which, yes, includes vehicles. :)

[unkempt blade]

I'm a huge vehicle-enjoyer but there's more of a learning curve than belts for sure. I like them a lot because they make the factory feel a lot more alive though

[dense turtle]

so its the time for the most complicated stuff, i dont even know whats in tier 9 and i dont wanna know

the hell is nuclear pasta

[white dawn]

But yeah, nothing wrong with not liking any of the options. Not gonna try and force someone to use tractors if they don't want to. :)

[wicked nacelle]

mostly copper

[modest nest]

It's uh copper heavy

Get ready to use your copper supply

[versed plinth]

i love trains dearly

[acoustic heart]

Very copper heavy

[white dawn]

Just Another Resource. (Despite the name, it is not radioactive). Based on an actual (theoretical) real-world thing, fwiw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_pasta

[acoustic heart]

Also not pasta

[dense turtle]

is it edible

[unkempt blade]

yeah once you have them set up and running predictably it's awesome seeing them zip around all over the map

[modest nest]

It's edible if I eat it

[wicked nacelle]

anything is edible once

[white dawn]

(Compared to the "real-world" namesake, it's actually a bit silly that we're able to produce it, even with all the magical FICSIT tech we've got, but I suppose if I go own that route I'd also have to start questioning pocket dimensions and the Depot and all that. :)

[acoustic heart]

Trains are so awesome. I love setting up train networks

[modest nest]

I just don't know how efficient trains are, like should I be using them for transporting 2500 items per minute halfway across the map?

I don't want to build a rail without knowing if it's viable or not

[white dawn]

Trains excel at high-throughput, long-distance transfers, sure.

You can add as many train cars as you need on a train, if one (or two, or three) isn't sufficient. (Though you'll have to also probably want to start adding more engines to improve acceleration)

[unkempt blade]

take a look at https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput sometime

[modest nest]

Ooo

And like multiple trains per line ya

Like two or three

So when ones at one stop another's at the opposite stop

[white dawn]

Sidebar: any of the game's logistics methods can be used to support any throughput you want, though how practical it is in a given situation can change a bit. You can attach multiple vehicles to the same routes, multiple cars to the same train, or multiple drone ports/drones. (Or, in the interests of completeness: you can also add more belts. :)

[wicked nacelle]

You can put 100 on the same line

[ionic forge]

so when do i get asphalt

[hard ivy]

trains can move like 500 000 items/min along a single pair of rails

[unkempt blade]

trains can move a whole lot of items but the more you use trains the more likely you are to have traffic issues that can slow down or block your routes so you want to pay attention as you're adding more of them

[white dawn]

AWESOME shop; should be available pretty much from the start

[ionic forge]

so i can start paving my base, or am i supposed to use concrete

[ionic forge]

ill have a look

[acoustic heart]

You can use whatever you like

[white dawn]

Technically it's just a custom texture on regular foundations, though the various foundation visual types do have slightly different build costs

[modest nest]

Alright I just boarded the last train of the day, been going for like 5 hours already

[silk ocean]

KYO is the boss

[modest nest]

But how many cars

[ionic forge]

4 awesome tokens hurts to look at but ig ill just void some heavy plates

[silk ocean]

Wagons xD

[ionic forge]

more like 6, but yeah same thing

[modest nest]

Wagons whatev

[white dawn]

Sink all the things, constantly! :) In front of storage, have a smart splitter send Overflow to the sink, for everything you produce. You'll be swimming in coupons in no time!

[ionic forge]

i dont have smart splitters

i have a rebar gun

[white dawn]

When you find some Caterium out in the wild, be sure to start researching in the MAM. :)

[hard ivy]

the max assumes a constant stream of trains of infinite length

but you can get pretty close with reasonably long trains, even with like 8 wagons

but the number of wagons and trains depends on your exact demands

[white dawn]

(For that matter, be sure to check your MAM occasionally for anything you might be able to research but haven't yet. The MAM is chock-full of exceptional things to use)

[ionic forge]

idk about Caterium but i did find a purple slug

[modest nest]

I shall attempt to use them for my next save

[white dawn]

Anyway, yeah, without Smart Splitters, sinking your production lines is kind of fiddly and probably not worth it. Can manually sink stuff if needed in the meantime, as you were already planning. :)

They're unlockable quite early, though you do need to find some Caterium to start researching in the MAM

[modest nest]

Honestly I just go on the map and run over to the nearest caterium node

[wicked nacelle]

You only need one train of infinite length. You'd have a hard time fitting additional ones

[versed plinth]

im unsure what to think about turbo pressure motors

the alternate recipe

[wicked nacelle]

I use it in one place but the fact that it eats the nitrogen bottles makes it annoying

[white dawn]

First-time players are unlikely to know if there's anything worth "rushing," really. Once you're more experienced you know exactly what kind of QoL stuff you want to prioritize, though. :D

[wicked nacelle]

All my nitrogen supply stores get aluminum deliveries as needed so they can always top off their own empty bottle supply

[hard ivy]

I'm more of a turbo electric motor person myself

[modest nest]

Yeah, it's nice knowing what to rush heh

[white dawn]

Unfortunately the early Satisfactory game is sort of "I want to rush these 12 things, now." :)

[modest nest]

Wish I could rush a hover pack but oh well

Guess I coulddd

But nah

[white dawn]

Heh, rushing to hoverpack means rushing like 70% of the game

Would need some speedrun techniques for that one

[crisp edge]

70% seems like a tall estimate to me

[white dawn]

Gotta get all the way past aluminum; that's a lot of elevator parts.

Though, sure, Phase 4 is definitely the biggest. Still, a pretty huge chunk of the game

[modest nest]

Is there a satisfactory speed running community

[crisp edge]

misread. thought you said jetpack my bad

[white dawn]

Oh, heh. All good! :)

[white dawn]

There's people who speedrun it, at least. (Or at least people who have speedrun it in the past. I assume it's still a thing)

[hard ivy]

kinda
https://www.speedrun.com/satisfactory

[crisp edge]

pretty sure i saw an any% run on youtube the other day and it was like 10 hours

[versed plinth]

i may be insane

but im aiming for 10 BWD / min, unslooped

[hard ivy]

NMG is under 8h
glitched runs are under 2.5h lol

[versed plinth]

for approximately 50 million points / minute

[modest nest]

Doggo speedrun is fire

[wicked nacelle]

It's not insane 🙂

I found around 30 things start getting complicated as you start running out of resource types on the map

Nitrogen and quartz and aluminum were my primary hurdles that I had to make sure I was using/producing effectively

[versed plinth]

should i try 20 then

hmm. my goal is just to get the golden nut

[wicked nacelle]

Just one?

[versed plinth]

also im gonna start running our of power

[modest nest]

Get a couple

[versed plinth]

2 is significantly more difficult than just 1

hmm

[modest nest]

Why not 3

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest a min/coupon goal 🙂

[hard ivy]

the theoretical max is 2 golden nuts/min iirc

[wicked nacelle]

coupons not nuts 🙂

2 nuts/m would be craaaaaaaazy

[hard ivy]

true, just did the math lol

[dense turtle]

2000 coupons per minute?

[hard ivy]

2 coupons, yeah

so 1 nut every 500 mins

[wicked nacelle]

520M points/m is theoretical max (but it involves more buildings than the game can actually support)

[modest nest]

I swear this discord is like a bunch of 57 year old grandmas with their coupons

[versed plinth]

i think i may need to split this project into several subfactories

because this would be insane to have entirely in one building

[modest nest]

Pulling up to the awesome shop on a Friday afternoon with my 2000 coupons ready to buy some nuts

[versed plinth]

maybe i aim for 0.5 coupons / minute then? i dont really wanna worry about resource limitations

its never been my vibe tbh

[modest nest]

Ayyy I'm in France now

Just crossed the border

[hard ivy]

12k machines sounds totally sustainable

[wicked nacelle]

20x2=40 BWD is pretty doable

[versed plinth]

ok

[wicked nacelle]

last I looked it was 500k constructors for just one item type

[versed plinth]

i will go for that then. today i will try and set up the plan i think, and maybe start on the first part

[hard ivy]

sf optimizer says 520 Mp/min is possible with everytthing OC to 250% and that's 12k machines

[wicked nacelle]

wiki says there's no power for that -- 520 is only achievable with 1% machines

but I haven't checked either for correctness 🙂

[hard ivy]

oh yeah, forgot to limit net power to <0

441Mp/min with everything at 250% and net 0 power

[wicked nacelle]

that's consistent with wiki.. 440 overclock, 480 standard, 520 at 1%

I consider 300M to be the edge of sanity though. at least if you're trying to figure it out mostly organically.

[hard ivy]

realistically, you could probably do 1 coupon/min

[wicked nacelle]

that's where I quit.

[modest nest]

Man if I get a coupon every 5 minutes I'm happy

I just now realized the bot auto reacts with the coupon

Ah

[wicked nacelle]

I don't (coupon) know what you're talking about

[modest nest]

I may be a little slow

[heavy pine]

Throwback for us old farts... "Pardon me, would you have any Grey Coupon?"

[wicked nacelle]

why of course

[hard ivy]

only 3700 max OC machines

11000 if you don't use any sloops

[wicked nacelle]

you're basically doing the 480M build if you don't use sloops -- because the max point build just puts them all (nearly) on BWDs

[storm talon]

Soooooo in order to build a dedicated foundry looks like I'm going to need to expand coal power. With MK.2 miners, one coal node can feed four coal powered generators.

[wicked nacelle]

What tool are you using for this? I don’t see “satisfactory optimizer”

[hard ivy]

https://github.com/Zistack/Satisfactory-Optimizer

[wicked nacelle]

That doesn’t sound right

[crisp edge]

i think your math is a bit off there friend

[wicked nacelle]

Also depends on node purity and belt speed of course

[crisp edge]

coal generator = 15/min on coal, mk2 node is 120/min if normal, so you should be able to do 10 coal generators on a mk2 coal node

[wicked nacelle]

And sharts

Shards.

[storm talon]

Hmmmm....

[crisp edge]

i prefer sharts

[wicked nacelle]

If only you could automate them

[crisp edge]

what do you mean? do you not?

i'm up to 6 sharts per min

[storm talon]

Those might all be impure coal nodes.

[heavy pine]

Sharts come from biomass, so no good way to automate.

[crisp edge]

only took 20/hour of chipotle power

[storm talon]

Lemme go check.

Wiki checks out if they're impure.

I might have one normal coal node in there, come to think of it. That should mean I can add a couple more generators.

[crisp edge]

1 mk1 miner on a normal coal node is 60/min which would be 4 generators. maybe you just had a mental typo while communicating the info

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t forget to overclock where it makes sense

[storm talon]

No, wiki says MK.2 on impure can only power four.

[crisp edge]

yeah, still 60/min

wiki is correct

the math is indeed mathing

[wicked nacelle]

Every once in a while I think I miss playing early game satisfactory. Then I try it again and realize it’s just pain.

[storm talon]

Two are normal.

[crisp edge]

so how many total nodes at what purities are you working with?

[storm talon]

Which means I can add four more coal powered generators.

Two impure, two normal.

That's why my math was off, I'm still not in the know about node purity.

[wicked nacelle]

Have you researched slugs/overclocking?

[storm talon]

Yes I can overclock but I don't think it makes sense atp.

At least not with coal powered generators.

[wicked nacelle]

You overclock the miner

[storm talon]

So foundry is a go.

[pallid tide]

Diluted fuel gives you higher net power than diluted packaged fuel right? Since you don't need to pack/unpack stuff?

[storm talon]

Oh looks like I can add 8 more generators.

[wicked nacelle]

I think it’s overall less power intensive because it doesn’t use blenders

[crisp edge]

so you're working with 360 coal total, so up to 24 coal generators

[pallid tide]

oh interesting

[wicked nacelle]

Also I really like working with packaged fuel. It’s great to be able to trivially divert excess fuel to burners with a smart splitter. Also I get really good pipe flow from unpackaging without any fancy tricks. I’ve revamped my oil factories to be mostly packaged stuff.

Whereas I get obnoxious pipe flow out of blenders

[storm talon]

Appears so.

[crisp edge]

okay so i'm just looking at the interactive map trying to decide which set of oil nodes i should go to, because i really dislike the biome in the southeast corner of the map. does anyone have a favorite?

[storm talon]

@crisp edge 20, not 24.

[pallid tide]

Can you elaborate on this?

That's a good point though, better excess control.

[heavy pine]

Blender is 75MW of power for 100 fuel/min. Compare that to however many packagers it takes to handle that much.

[crisp edge]

360/15=24

[storm talon]

@crisp edge Two of my nodes are impure.

[wicked nacelle]

I find that I can make a naive manifold and get 600/m reliably out of unpackaging machines. Vs weird slosh or whatever when coming from blenders. But maybe that’s just me

[crisp edge]

if all are mk2, 2 impure = 120, 2 normal =240, 240+120=360

[storm talon]

I see.

Yes you're right, I'm wrong.

[crisp edge]

is ok

then you have to do the water math too 😂

[wicked nacelle]

And that would be plenty of coal power to get you through that tier and on to the next power source

[crisp edge]

ironically that's exactly what my power plant is doing. i'll go grab a screenshot real quick

[wicked nacelle]

That’s not ironic. Just coincidental

[storm talon]

I think atp it's two inputs per water pump.

[crisp edge]

fine @wicked nacelle

[wicked nacelle]

You’re welcome Alanis 🙂

[daring reef]

so

[wicked nacelle]

3:8 is the ratio that minimizes water pumps

[daring reef]

why is there no item to teleport u to the hub

in satisfactory

[wicked nacelle]

It’s on the main menu

[daring reef]

it seems like a no brainer

[crisp edge]

thought it was 3:6?

[daring reef]

respawning with keep inventory on isnt the same

[modest nest]

You turn on keep inventory and jump off a cliff

[storm talon]

Is there any way to view the world tiles?

@modest nest They made a video about it lol

[wicked nacelle]

Nah. And that’s just 1:2

[crisp edge]

hold left control when you're building a foundation, and it snaps to the world grid

[storm talon]

@crisp edge On controller?

[daring reef]

not the same as a recall potion or magic mirror like from terraria

[dense turtle]

will my turbofuel rafineries just work if i dump all fuel into one pipeline

[crisp edge]

@storm talon #screenshots for power plant

[modest nest]

About what, jumping off a cliff or an item that teleports you

[storm talon]

@modest nest Jumping off a cliff

[modest nest]

Ah sick

[heavy pine]

There isn't really a way to set a smart splitter to prioritize the outputs, right? Like "Send it Right first, then send it Center, and if both are full send it Left."

[storm talon]

I always die when I'm out exploring so it doesn't matter lol

[modest nest]

My favorite activity

[crisp edge]

thought it was 120/min for each extractor, which brings us to 360 for 3, 6 generators consume 360/min. what did i get wrong?

[storm talon]

@modest nest https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yDLm7QEm-Kw

[crisp edge]

on controller should be right bumper. at least it is on steam deck. just look for whatever button says snap mode while you're building a foundation, that's what will do it

[storm talon]

Ahhh so that's snap mode

I thought snap mode snapped to other structures.

[crisp edge]

snap mode with other buildables will snap to other objects like foundation and other structures, but with a foundation out in the wild it snaps to the world grid

[modest nest]

A banger

[wicked nacelle]

Coal burner wants 45 water/m right?

[crisp edge]

which will allow you to build anything anywhere on the map and have everything line up when you connect it

[storm talon]

You know what I really like? Zoop mode.

[hard ivy]

45/min

[wicked nacelle]

45*8 is 360

[crisp edge]

yeah

[storm talon]

@crisp edge That'll make things a lot easier.

[modest nest]

Have you tried the infinite zoop mod

[crisp edge]

yep there we go, for some reason i was like 45*2=90 then * 3 is 360

whoopsie

[storm talon]

No I'm playing vanilla.

I should load some mods. 😮

[wicked nacelle]

Mod called infinite zoom lets you zoom a rectangle out.

[modest nest]

I recommend checking it out

[crisp edge]

i also like zoop mode. and i haven't seen it mentioned in a single tips and tricks vid or by anyone here, and i was about 30 hours in when i discovered it. i was so mad lmao

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest sticking to vanilla friendly QoL mods so you never have to worry about a mod not getting updated after a patch

[modest nest]

^

[wicked nacelle]

You can also blueprint out foundations even if you don’t know about zoop

[dense turtle]

how is the better coal made of coal and sulfur called in english

[wicked nacelle]

Compacted coal

You could look up coal recipes on wiki

[modest nest]

I personally only ever use biocoal

[dense turtle]

oh in my language it has its own name

[crisp edge]

what i want is a way to create a blueprint that would allow me to easily extend belts en masse. like i could do a 4 high stack and click once to place it, then again for the other end, having the length and shape of the belt be able to change based on build mode and where i click. then connect the next set of 4 high to it with one click and do it again. i'm hoping you'll tell me there's magic that allows that, because connecting each belt segment one at a time or having to make them super short because of blueprint build shape is really annoying

[wicked nacelle]

Yes. Autoconnect

[crisp edge]

okay how

[dense turtle]

r

[wicked nacelle]

In build mode select autoconnect or autoconnect blueprint

[modest nest]

When building blueprints you cycle the build mode to auto connect, like swapping to zoop on foundations

[heavy pine]

Press R to cycle through modes until you're on one of the autoconnect options.

[crisp edge]

i'm about to have a great day

testing right the hell now

[wicked nacelle]

Autoconnect blueprint usually works better because it snaps to the right height. Also works with pipes. And it shows you the max connection length

Note that sometimes it makes stupid invalid connections. No fix for that

You just can’t use it there

Power lines don’t auto connect probably because it’s impossible for the game to know which ones you’d want

[crisp edge]

OMG YES

i asked someone in vc the other day if there was a way to do this and he said no

[heavy pine]

The autoconnect feature is a godsend for long lines of multiple belts and/or pipes.

[wicked nacelle]

Make sure you have a LOT of mats. You burn through stuff REAL quick

[dense turtle]

its a fairly new feature

[crisp edge]

yeah, it took me a couple hours to run from my iron and coal nodes in a valley to my factory because it was a 5 high stack. this is amazing

[crisp edge]

i usually carry 2-3 stacks of foundation, belt building, and power mats each

[wicked nacelle]

Do you have dimensional storage yet?

[crisp edge]

unfortunately not. still haven't located any sam

[wicked nacelle]

If dimensional storage were a mod everyone would just bitch at you for cheating if you used it

[onyx siren]

i want to double check that you can get silicon circuits alt recipe before getting to phase 3

[storm zephyr]

what even is dimensional storage is it like an enderchest

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch circuit_board

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=circuit_board

[wicked nacelle]

Recipes are in the wiki

[crisp edge]

probably. just realizing no one answered me about oil. best place to go for oil? i'm looking at normal and pure nodes on the interactive map, just wondering which place is going to be the least hostile and relatively flat to build in. do you have a suggestion?

[wicked nacelle]

The stuff on the east coast is nice and there’s aluminum nearby (though up on a cliff) too

[dense turtle]

i wonder what do yall think is train worth it over 600 meters or should i just belt the materials

[wicked nacelle]

And everywhere is flat once you put down foundations 🙂

[crisp edge]

the southeast in the canyons with the rocky wall mushroom looking things and poison gas and millions of hostile mobs?

[storm zephyr]

you are so right thank you twin ❤️

[wicked nacelle]

If you have a train highway system then you just reuse the existing track anyhow so distance doesn’t really matter. But I’d probably belt that 🙂

[crisp edge]

yes yes, but i don't want to have to go 100m into the air to get to where i have enough room to flatten, then pipe oil up to that height

[storm zephyr]

is there a way to make power lines longer so i can zipline from one place to another without interruption

[heavy pine]

Wish we had a way to flip asymmetric buildings like refineries, so they could line up two of them with their inputs or outputs facing each other.

[crisp edge]

power tower?

[hard ivy]

power towers

[wicked nacelle]

Power towers are pretty good

[storm zephyr]

how long can those go

[crisp edge]

the consensus is in, power tower x3

[crisp edge]

fucking LONG

[heavy pine]

Power towers can run much longer lines, but there's no such thing as "power line Mk2" or anything.

[wicked nacelle]

But hypertube cannons beat every other pioneer transit

[hard ivy]

300m?

[storm zephyr]

🔥

im still early game rn but ill try to get them

[dense turtle]

hypertube cannons are early game

[crisp edge]

i think it's a tier 4 research?

[dense turtle]

oh power lines

towers

[crisp edge]

@wicked nacelle come back and answer me friend

[onyx siren]

depends, can the rate ever increase beyond your current highest tier belt? (ex: alt recipes you haven't unlocked or miner upgrades) if so, then it may be worth making a train

[wicked nacelle]

The ones on an island on the WEST coast. Oopsies

[dense turtle]

yeah im gonna belt it

[wicked nacelle]

Did I say east before? MB

West coast best coast

[crisp edge]

the ones just off the coast surrounded by water on small islands?

thank you very much, will go do that

[heavy pine]

See #screenshots message to get an idea of how far the power tower lines can go.

[wicked nacelle]

There’s 7200 fuel/m there with the right alts and tech.

[storm zephyr]

how do you make foundations look like that???

mine are just ugly squares

[heavy pine]

Customization options purchasable in the AWESOME shop.

[wicked nacelle]

Press x

Materials or set your default build mat in the build menu

[peak wasp]

ohhh

[wicked nacelle]

In the drop down box that you never see until someone points it out

[peak wasp]

Pioneers, what do you use a 'Fluid Buffer' for?

[hard ivy]

nothing

[heavy pine]

I tend not to use them.

[wicked nacelle]

Train stations if you send liquid fluids but probably just don’t do that

[wild plume]

what on earth does "Unable to scan hard drive (No rewards currently available)" mean??

[heavy pine]

If I was going to use one, it'd be for a water tower or something like that.

[wicked nacelle]

It means you have all the alts available (right now)

[fluid sapphire]

you have all the alts for the stuff you currently can make

[hard ivy]

it means you got all the recipes you can get right now

[wild plume]

oh

[wicked nacelle]

Or you have them all sitting in your library

[heavy pine]

It means there are no more alt recipes available at your current tech level.

[wild plume]

so i have more hard drives than recipes lol

[wicked nacelle]

If you have library hard drives already scanned then start picking them just to put the other back in the pool

[crisp edge]

when you have no idea what you're doing and refuse to look up guides on pipes and think the buffer will solve your flowrate issue

[storm zephyr]

w hat do mk3 conveyors cost

[hard ivy]

steel beams

[crisp edge]

1 steel beam

[storm zephyr]

oh thats it??

those are literally cheaper than mk2

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch belt

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=belt

[crisp edge]

every flavor of belt costs one of something as far as i know. the something is just a more advanced resource every time

[wicked nacelle]

Mk2 and mk4 are most annoying belt recipes

[storm zephyr]

whats mk4? is it the frames

[wicked nacelle]

Encased beam

[hard ivy]

except mk6

[wicked nacelle]

Mk6 is easy because you have all the tools at your disposal. It’s not easy in terms of what it takes but it’s just more of what you’re already good at by then.

[storm zephyr]

is object scanner worth investing into

[split pewter]

mk5 is also easy if you know how to use dd

[split pewter]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

Sloop and sphere scanning is good if you don’t use SCIM to tell you where to go

[willow glen]

I find that by the time I need to actually use mk6 I have enough of the mats stored, usually. Mk5 is my preferred one tho, as mk6 has a way different look

[split pewter]

useful for limited items (like sloops, spheres, hard drives) and can detect enemies through unlocking it in the mam

[storm zephyr]

whats SAM in the alien technology tree

[wicked nacelle]

Just another mining node resource type

[white dawn]

It's a purpleish resource you can find hidden around the map. Happy hunting!

[crisp edge]

maybe to get them started up but i haven't thought about mk2 recipe since like 40 hours ago in my playthrough. i automated it and i just have it forever now

[white dawn]

It's often found in relatively harder-to-reach spots

[crisp edge]

i actually jus tunlocked mk4 3 mins ago

and the rocket is back so i'm unlocking petroleum power now

[wicked nacelle]

There aren’t any little nodes of Sam on the map so you have to stumble upon a full node

So it’s harder to get it researched to get it on your resource scanner

[willow glen]

Once you see it you will know, it’s bright and purple. Seriously can’t miss it. But it’s often in a cave or wayyy up high

[crisp edge]

why do i get the feeling i'll either have to scour the map or look it up? like i'm trying not to google things that i should work on organically. also anyone have a favorite tier 6 research that i should do first?

[wicked nacelle]

And heavily guarded

[hard ivy]

actually, does the radar tower show nodes you can't scan for with V yet?

[wicked nacelle]

Dunno

[steady glade]

no its often not all that far

[willow glen]

if you started in grassy fields there’s SAM next to another thing you’ll naturally look for

otherwise I just map look

[crisp edge]

i did. what's the thing i'll naturally look for?

[wicked nacelle]

Sam is not a localized resource in one spot of the map

[willow glen]

Quartz

[wicked nacelle]

It’s everywhere so you will find it

[steady glade]

or artifacts

[split pewter]

iirc no, but maybe

[split pewter]

giant thing

[crisp edge]

that's funny. i actually ignored quartz altogether util last night when i decided to do it and cleared nearly the entire mam tree in about 15 minutes

[steady glade]

no it doesnt

[split pewter]

k

[crisp edge]

also blade runners have changed my life

[steady glade]

is it possible to put items on the hotbar?

[willow glen]

every new playthrough the first thing I do is get 50 smart plating’s mats into an assembler then go get my blade runners

[crisp edge]

i will be prioritizing that next time. p.s. after i have the objectives complete will i ever use smart plating, versatile frameworks, or automated wiring for anything else?

[steady glade]

for the next objectives yes

[willow glen]

yes

[steady glade]

but

you probably will want to move away to start making progress on those

and i dont believe you'll make a train or truck line to carry it over

[crisp edge]

i just have these factory floors still producing those and didn't know if i should break it down or not

[jovial escarp]

bro

th is riot

[willow glen]

Up to phase 3 I centralize, excluding oil and coal (ship in rubber, plastic. coal). After that I distribute. But it’s up to you, both methods viable

[steady glade]

you can, since you'll have to remake it bigger and better anyway

[crisp edge]

the third party developer server

[acoustic shell]

guys first week of school done

[jovial escarp]

u didnt got a joke...

[crisp edge]

clearly

[steady glade]

neet, only like 50 to go

[jovial escarp]

Rito Games CEO uk

nah nvm

[wicked nacelle]

Eulcs was the joke.

Kaboom!!!

[crisp edge]

LEC isn't the same without sjokz

[ionic forge]

what can i do with mercer spheres? i have like 6

[hard ivy]

MAM

[wicked nacelle]

You’re going to need SAM though

[ionic forge]

yeah i dont have sam

[storm zephyr]

cast screws is the best alt

[hard ivy]

it's really not

[wicked nacelle]

Go find a node throw up 20 hand miners on it. Then make sure to process it on a bench before you go. It compresses 4:1

[hard ivy]

it's not even in my top 50

[ionic forge]

I like it, apparently its good early game but you;ll what to phase out screws

[tender raft]

50 is a lot so this an exaggeration

[wicked nacelle]

It’s in my top 10. I don’t phase out screws. Actually i use them more and more in modular factory blueprints

[tender raft]

id say maybe not in your top 30, its not THAT bad

[hard ivy]

don't put words in my mouth

it's not in my top 50

[wicked nacelle]

If you have alts that fully remove screws then ways to make screws isn’t useful

[tender raft]

fair enough 😭 but thats crazyyy

[wicked nacelle]

It’s not if you just try to never use screws for anything.

[tender raft]

it still has a use case until youre able to do that

[hard ivy]

even if I was making screws, I would not use cast

[fluid sapphire]

cue greeny screw contrarianism

[tender raft]

i have zero screws in my entire world but i respect what it was at the time i needed it

[keen oriole]

heavy oil residue and sloppy aluminum solution are good alts??

[tender raft]

some of the 2 best alts in the game

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[keen oriole]

ok

[wicked nacelle]

The first is nearly required. Sloppy is very optional.

Default aluminum recipes are quite good

Pure aluminum is the only really important aluminum alt

[white dawn]

I used the vanilla screw recipe in my first HMF factory on my 1.0 save. :D

[fluid sapphire]

i like sloppy + pure combo

[white dawn]

Hadn't gone hard-drive hunting but wanted to get the HMFs going to storage

[keen oriole]

ok

[wicked nacelle]

Sloppy is fine but it’s like an 8% improvement over vanilla. For most people it’s meaningless.

[fluid sapphire]

i just like not having to deal with silica at all

[storm zephyr]

what MAM tree is smart splitter in

[wicked nacelle]

Cat

[devout current]

How do I invite my friend from Epic games to Steam?

[wicked nacelle]

link your epic account to steam then start an epic session from in game options

or you run a dedicated server but that's much more complex

[devout current]

I am logged into epic, its not seeing it

[crisp edge]

if you just linked it, you may need to reboot the game

[wicked nacelle]

then go to session info and copy the big long epic://######### session id and give it to your friend

[devout current]

Been linked for ages

[wicked nacelle]

make sure you do a "public" session. It's not really "public"

or "open" or whatever it's called

[silk ocean]

Flip to Shhush xD

[wicked nacelle]

did you get it?

[devout current]

Nope, no session ID is forming

Holy

Go to Online Settings, and then hit log into epic

[devout current]

I gave, and he cant join

[wicked nacelle]

what error?

[devout current]

Nvm, hes insanely dumb

[keen oriole]

try twice

I never could connect first try. second always worked.

[steady glade]

have you considered... turning it off and on again?

[keen oriole]

ur gonna need to power cycle. should take about 8 hours for the capacitors to discharge. check back later tonight!

[wicked nacelle]

If you just touch the capacitors while standing in water, they'll discharge much faster 😇

[vale grotto]

Question, would it be reasonably possible to fit a recycled plastic/rubber loop from water and oil into a MK3 blueprint designer? Like, oil to diluted fuel to recycled recipes
Is there enough space for the buildings?

[storm zephyr]

imagine if there was a player market for resources and stuff that would be cool

and it would send things through space like the hub terminal

[wicked nacelle]

You'd need a proper endgame, though, with rare resources

or like... maps that don't have all the resources like the pokemon games where you only get some pokemon and have to trade

[lavish dagger]

Yo guys can some of the experienced ppl look Questions and help

ı got a question

[steady glade]

realistically, that'd be impossible for phase 3, you can't make a module out of it unless you underclock most machines, at which point the benefits are moot, forcing you to build a lot more than needed

[steady glade]

plus you really need one of each for phase 3

in the next phase, you'll be able to condense it to a point where it almost fits, but i predict itll take some power shards to make the ratios work

[wicked nacelle]

You don't need ratios. You just manifold it and the oil will go to the next blueprint if you're not consuming it fast enough

[steady glade]

the hor and resin

[rotund sentinel]

you need ratios if you want flatline power / perfect consumption

[wicked nacelle]

manifolds give you perfect consumption

[rotund sentinel]

assuming the machines are setup to use the correct amounts, yes

[wicked nacelle]

perfect consumption would mean that you consume everything available. manifolds give you that for free every time

[rotund sentinel]

what I mean is you use 100% of the product, with no backup, and no lack of material

[brazen juniper]

Anyone getting invalid_results (EOS_UnrecognizedResponse)?

[rotund sentinel]

a miner on a pure node gives 4 smelters worth of material, you then use 4 smelters for that, not 3, not 5

[lavish dagger]

@wicked nacelle its says log out and ı am already on epic client and ı am online

[wicked nacelle]

weird, dunno. sorry

[steady glade]

yes but having that with some power saved and no idle time would be ideal

[lavish dagger]

Do you think restarting the Wi-fi will help?

[wicked nacelle]

that has nothing to do with consumption. That is like... "per-building efficiency" or something but since you have infinite resources and buildings have a finite cost, buildings are free

[wicked nacelle]

nope

[lavish dagger]

dam

[rotund sentinel]

point being, I personally would never just make manifolds willy-nilly without knowing how much each part uses / creates

🤷‍♂️

[wicked nacelle]

anyhow, if people want that then great for them. But telling other people that they can't do what they asked because you want to play with your own weird rules is just strange

[rotund sentinel]

👍

[rotund sentinel]

never said you cant,

[wicked nacelle]

that's great, but this wasn't about you.

[wicked nacelle]

This was the question, btw

[white dawn]

That's rich coming from the person who constantly tells me I'm making up strawmen and being disingenuous when I'm just describing how I play the game

[wicked nacelle]

No, you give bad advice based on your personal rules

[steady glade]

yes but the initial point was making modules for processing oil to plastic/rubber, ideally those modules should be somewhat self contained and able to work at 100% efficiency with proper inputs and outputs

[wicked nacelle]

the question was "self contained" not "self contained and whatever other rules people play by"

just try and be helpful when people ask questions

[steady glade]

there wouldn't be a point in making a specialized module otherwise, just basic blueprints to quickly place a load of refineries would be better

*although thats what i do

[wicked nacelle]

it's nice to just be able to plop them down and only have oil go in and plastic/rubber come out and be able to scale it by a single click per scale unit

I don't do that but it's still just as useful whether machines are at 100% utilization or not

[modest nest]

I think I broke my equipment workshop

[wicked nacelle]

all you need to know is how much oil/m it eats and how much plastic/rubber per minute it spits out

[steady glade]

HOR to residual rubber is 2 to 1, recyled plastic to rubber is around 2 to 1 and that ratio is messy, probably not the type of thing i'd enjoy having a fluctiating efficiency on

for most items, it wouldnt be a problem but cycles of that type need slighly more care

[wicked nacelle]

the recycled loop is super easy since the profit is just what the other one doesn't eat.

[hard ivy]

why would it matter what the efficiency is beyond 100%/not 100%?

[balmy dune]

ahhh panniiccc, I can't play 😢

[steady glade]

test it and tell me how long it works for

[hard ivy]

I mean I literally never care about the uptime of machines and everything works fine

[unkempt blade]

it doesn't fluctuate if you set the recycle loop up correctly

all it takes is a smart splitter and an overflow rule and it's bulletproof

[wicked nacelle]

the ratio of oil to plastic/rubber is constant

[steady glade]

as i said earlier, most of the time it's not an issue, but for that particular setup, i find that inefficiencies tend to propagate and end up lowerin the final output

[fluid sapphire]

you monster. every machine needs to be at 100% at all times

[wicked nacelle]

that's not possible. The oil per plastic/rubber is constant and cannot change

[steady glade]

thats a bit tough since the question is about a blueprint

[hard ivy]

I round everything up and leave at 100% speed and never had issues

[steady glade]

lucky you i guess

[hard ivy]

I feel like if you do that and have an issue, it's a skill issue

[unkempt blade]

you just have to do it on a smaller scale instead of setting up a row of plastic and a row of rubber... there's still no reason it would fluctuate

[steady glade]

well thank you, i hope you have the same ennergy with the next newbies asking questions

[steady glade]

yes, that was my argument but seemingly that's wrong

[mortal ginkgo]

he got "I ❤️ balancers" in his name, this is the first red flag of not expecting a mature conversation

he do be like that, dont mind him much

however your final output should not have issues if a byproduct is not blocking

some buildings can go on and off regardless

[steady glade]

yes but the desync from building going on and off has been an issue for me, forcing me to turn my factory on and off, manually adjust inputs, trash outputs and check all machine underclocks

[ivory condor]

Probably not unfortunately, the vanilla blueprint designers are really small, thankfully you can use modded designers to do this

[mortal ginkgo]

if trash output (byproduct) is an issue, you need to sink them as a last resort

[unkempt blade]

2 refineries side by side facing the same direction, conveyor going from one left to right, between the two refineries you have one smart splitter with an overflow rule directing a conveyor towards storage, the second rule is going towards the right refinery with your plastic/rubber to recycle. On the second refinery you have an overflow rule on the output going to storage and the second rule sending your plastic/rubber back around to the start of the input conveyor on the first refinery

the non-overflow rules will always feed the refinery enough for recycling and the overflow will remove the rest and send it to storage

[steady glade]

you'd want 3, the cycle is generally 17.78 and 8,89

[visual cosmos]

I'm not sure if I need 1920 iron ingots, but im making it

[steady glade]

for multiple big projects its nice

[visual cosmos]

One project

[wicked nacelle]

that makes like 7 iron pipes....

[steady glade]

is it phase 3?

[visual cosmos]

Wasn't supposed to be big

[visual cosmos]

Just got to phase 4

Making heavy industrial frames

Encased*

[mortal ginkgo]

you can make 0.5/min modular frames, congrats

[steady glade]

then its probably about enough

[unkempt blade]

both recipes want 6 fuel and 6 plastic/rubber and they produce 12 of the opposite so I guess I'm unclear where you're getting those numbers

half of the output feeds the recycling loop and half is surplus for storage

[visual cosmos]

[visual cosmos]

I wanted to make 5/min but math wasn't nice

[mortal ginkgo]

bold move, daring aren't we, quite the risk huh

[visual cosmos]

So instead im just using all coal in the top right corner of the map* and making steel

[mortal ginkgo]

I still dislike the fact that Modular Frame is 2/min.. like brother, its a simple cube made of rods, whats so complicated?

[steady glade]

pretty sure that outputs both then

[pale karma]

Hello, I got some issues to play on multiplatform with my friend. We both get an unrecognized error and it's the first time.
Y'all know something about that ?

[visual cosmos]

Heavy encased frame alt recipe carried

Basically low resource cost per frame

[mortal ginkgo]

I am not at that level yet brother, however I REALLY want to get that recipe when the time comes. I am tired of screws.

[visual cosmos]

Lower

[hard ivy]

math is usually nicest if you make a multiple of what 1 machine makes

[visual cosmos]

You only need phase 5 for it should be finr

Tier 5

Phase 3*

[brazen juniper]

eos is out 😭

[visual cosmos]

Considering the recipe outputs 3 in 64 seconds

Its not fun maths

[hard ivy]

2.8125/min 🤷‍♂️

[wicked nacelle]

great thing about manifolds is they will just back up and the production will become exactly what you want on its own as long as you make at least as many as you want

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

I saw a video the other day showing a manifold setup going 100% really fast because he used mk1 belts when diverging from the mk6 belt.

[fluid sapphire]

i make 30 RIP and 25 modular frames with those recipes, numbers come out very nice

[wicked nacelle]

sure, as long as it supports the per-machine input that works fine.

I just go work on something else and don't care

[visual cosmos]

That 2.813 constructors is kinda sad though

[steady glade]

yes, the ideal with a manifold is to downgrade the belts that pull off the main line

[wicked nacelle]

if you care, just underclock the last one

[visual cosmos]

Personally I'm making more than what i need then storing excess into storage/sent to sink

[hard ivy]

pretty sure that makes it fill slower

unless the machine consumption matches the belt exactly

[mortal ginkgo]

thats... the point

[wicked nacelle]

filling isn't their goal, though. getting all machines running is. And it does that

[ivory condor]

Personally I would just manifold and forget these decimal numbers

[fluid sapphire]

well, this one is better, just sink the leftover ingots
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=RA5ZPLYewlMWgzSDQPac

[hard ivy]

that's what I mean by "fill"

[steady glade]

yes that is the point, getting the machines runnig while pulling the minimum amount from the belt

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, ofc one should use the matching belt version for continuous work..

[wicked nacelle]

I was replying to this. "going 100% really fast" -- downgrading the offshoot belts does that

[mortal ginkgo]

God, for someone who constantly says "skill issue", he really gets alot of things wrong

[steady glade]

if i pull a mk1 from a mk4, i can get 8 machines running instantly

[mortal ginkgo]

^

[steady glade]

yes i could use an mk2 and fill up its buffer quickly but itll starve the others in the meantime

[mortal ginkgo]

Lets not forget that Real Alpha 100% Male Gigachad Gamers do not use belts and still have a constant 100% production running factories. Yes.

They are manly enough to hand feed.

[ivory condor]

Enjoy hand feeding

[wicked nacelle]

people care way too much about how long it takes a manifold to spool up.

[acoustic shell]

guys how much radio control units a min should I need

[wicked nacelle]

I hand move sloops around to maximize sloop efficiency

[mortal ginkgo]

are there manifold setups late game that would take 1hour+ to run 100% ?

[steady glade]

2 or 3 for personnal use is quite enough

[wicked nacelle]

depends on your speeds. You can make it take arbitrarily long

you could make it take a million hours

[steady glade]

then for other machines, you'll probably caculate wat you want directly

[hard ivy]

a converter takes 50 to build.

[acoustic shell]

so a 12.5/m factory is a little much

[ivory condor]

Yeah I find that weird to...

Like why do people need such fast instant production, just wait and it gets to 100% anyways

[steady glade]

yes but a converter is tier 9, someone asking how many radio units they need probably is still on tier 7-8

[hard ivy]

use smart splitters if you want faster

[mortal ginkgo]

I find it weird that buildings can request items as big as much as a stack 😛

they should like ask for 2x or 3x max to what they actually need to work continuously

maybe playing DSP 2.5k hours made me entitled so meh

[fluid sapphire]

why wait, just do something else, people really be sitting there doing nothing while it spools up

[wicked nacelle]

it boggles my mind, too

[mortal ginkgo]

I would say the most insane thing that actually players do is let the game play while they sleep...

[steady glade]

because watching a factory flood out a load of items is the most satisfyling thing

[mortal ginkgo]

Me with logistic floors everywhere with no belts visible Hehe yeah sure.....

[steady glade]

do you use the Logistics Floor™ for outputs too?

[acoustic shell]

yea im on t7-8

[hasty peak]

dont real chads do roof exposed conveyer logistic stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

Yes, for everything.

Last save I had a logistic floors below the asphalt of entire hub I had.

I just like the concept brotherman.

[hard ivy]

I'd prefer not to have to expand my factory by several times in the very next tier
especially if I can just make enough in the first place

[acoustic shell]

I just finished my 1.88/m supercomputer factory and want to know how much rcu/m is good cuz its a little odd to get more aluminium casing if I need a lot a min

[mortal ginkgo]

Ultra chads confirmed 100%

[wicked nacelle]

what's your goal? You can beat the game with 1/hr.

[steady glade]

then yea 2-3 is fine for the depot, then you'll want a lot more more for turbo motors, supercomputers, and pressure conversion cubes

[fluid sapphire]

hahah, logistics floors, ya'll funny

#screenshots message

[acoustic shell]

the modeler I made came out to 12.5, but like is a good 2-5 good

[visual cosmos]

Welp game crashed as I tried to place a blueprint

[fluid sapphire]

i need to see my items go brr

[visual cosmos]

Sounds about right

[wicked nacelle]

it all depends how much of the downstream stuff you want to build/m

[ivory condor]

We should ask these people why they care so much👀

[acoustic shell]

supercomputers I have only at like 2/m rn, that was base line

[mortal ginkgo]

game got a memory leak about blueprints. if deleting a blueprint causing big hiccup, thats your cue to restart the game

[visual cosmos]

I'm glad I made my autosave timer 10min instead of the 30 I had before

[steady glade]

i see, i generally only use it for inputs because i like seeing the outputs

[visual cosmos]

But still

[slate python]

#screenshots message what is this image from

[onyx siren]

the best factory look is when you have a billion conveyers in all directions (especially vertically) but none of them are clipping

[fluid sapphire]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[steady glade]

30m is fucking brave

[acoustic shell]

I could probably make more/m min factorys when I get drones,

[mortal ginkgo]

I can understand that yeah. My factories tend to be unrealisticly "beautiful" so I enjoy machines working behind glasses like museums have

[young copper]

Is the Supercomputer still in the MaM??

Sad

[steady glade]

i dont have that much faith in my mastery of the Logistics Floor™, so i still refuse to use lifts straight into or out of a machine

[heavy pine]

I thought signs were supposed to act as light sources. Why is my logistics floor so dark? I've got 2m square signs in the center of each ceiling foundation.

[fluid sapphire]

you need to turn on global illumination for that

[steady glade]

emission strength

[acoustic shell]

yall do a logistics floor? the only time I have ever done that is because the trains delivering plastic was above the factory

[mortal ginkgo]

Key is having them run parallel to the machines just below them and connect via splitter + conveyor lift

[heavy pine]

Full emission strength, and turning on Lumen makes it darker.

[steady glade]

i have about 10 trains going into a factory on the base floor so i needed some space to pull belts around

[copper storm]

yes, floor below for belts and pipes

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need to make literally 100 per minute, thats crazy bro - you can probably very easily manage with anything between 2.5-10

[steady glade]

i made my factory floor for phase 3 gian expecting to expand and reuse it, so i have belts going way too far and all around

[hard ivy]

Satisfactory Tools

[steady glade]

since ill reuse it for phase 4, ill probably tear most of it down to beautify my stacked machines, redo the belts and get a 90% efficiency minimum

[fluid sapphire]

for the first time, pure iron recipe is being a pain in the ass

[peak wasp]

pretty nasty, no need for it

[fluid sapphire]

i need to build balancers for 7 more train stations

[peak wasp]

same as trucks/stations? I'm gonna wait for trains

[hard ivy]

sounds fun

[hard ivy]

yeah, I don't use trucks either

[fluid sapphire]

my basement is starting to look crazy already
#screenshots message

[peak wasp]

do any of you use the tools website for guidance?

[fluid sapphire]

literally all of my production lines are in tools

[hard ivy]

same

[peak wasp]

so good, even gives you the clock speed 🙂

[versed plinth]

i have not touched the rocky desert yet

i wonder what i should make there. i was considering producing the turbo motors + modular engines I need for my next project

[vestal merlin]

Just wanna say hope everyone's enjoying this game. I'm absolutely in love and I haven't even finished phase 3 yet. Thinking about how to make things more efficient while doing my job 😩

Only just unlocked coal. I know cooler things are coming 👀

[peak wasp]

hell yeah just got it a few days ago, been playing from wake up to sleep lol

best game
portal 2 was my fav but now this is

[rough karma]

#screenshots message Do I have enough portable miners?

[ivory condor]

More

[versed plinth]

im wondering if i should consoldiate all the resources in the rocky desert or turn them into ingots and THEN consolidate

[slate python]

What

#screenshots message will this be enough

[unkempt blade]

more!!!

[ivory condor]

New phobia unlocked, when you fear that just around the corner is another portable miner

[fluid sapphire]

if you need 100 total, making 2.5 per minute means you have to wait 40 minutes total, if you make 5, then 20 mins etc

[slate python]

Ok

[unkempt blade]

the trick to is to make like a 100 of them and stick them in the depot so you always KNOW there's one around the corner

[slate python]

And

Is this to much #screenshots message

[ivory condor]

And have every factory producing them and sending them onto belts that runs through the enter factory, so no matter what your doing you see portable miners, and to be extra sure use signs and put portable miners on them to and put those signs everywhere to

[unkempt blade]

smart!

[vestal merlin]

It tickles a part of my neurospicy brain that I needed active haha

Forcing myself to be less optimal though, in a not-unhealthy way, and more of a, this thing can be good enough and I like that it works instead 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

r u for real

[unkempt blade]

I've been enjoying rolling a dice to pick what recipe I use. I let the universe pick how optimized the production chain is

[hard ivy]

bro's either an NPC or a bot

[shy fog]

Not enough minerals

[vestal merlin]

That's hilarious. I never thought of that

I am still spaghetti-building my lines until I uncover the wonderful world of modularization and vertical stacking

But I am pre-steel production so.... early game gang

[unkempt blade]

yeah I've been through a couple saves already so it's been fun to try some groups of recipes I don't normally reach for

[pallid tide]

Just FYI I just took the time to do some math, and blenders are actually slightly more power efficient by about 10%.

My measurement was how much power is consumed to process a full mk2 pipe of HOR for each "module", meaning anything between water, HOR, and fuel.

For DPF, you need 20 sets of water packager, DPF refinery, and fuel unpackager. Each set takes 50MW, which adds up to exactly 1GW to produce 1200 fuel/min.

For DF, you need 12 Blenders. Each one takes 75MW, which adds up to 900MW to produce the same 1200 fuel/min.

Honestly a pretty insignificant difference, it's interesting that this lines up with lots of other things in the game later production levels are slightly more efficient but the gains become more and more marginal.

[wicked nacelle]

awesome, thank you 🙂

[pallid tide]

It could also be said that if fuel does stay packaged for vehicles and stuff that would reduce the overall power bloat pretty much entirely

[versed plinth]

man quickwire is used a LOT in end game huh

[vestal merlin]

I am trying to play my first run through discovering and optimizing myself before I consider restarting and doing proper planning

[wicked nacelle]

"proper planning" is overrated

[vestal merlin]

Yeah, my brain jitters from one thing to the next, so I definitely just like creating one thing well enough, before realizing suddenly that I need 20 million more of those factories or production lines to create the next assemblable item

its a fun grind 🥲

[storm zephyr]

i just finished making a reinforced plate thing for phase 1 then realized i needed 1000 smart plating for tier 2 along with several other things

[grave panther]

I'm just starting phase 3 and I'm setting up my first oil production facilities. I've heard that some of the alternative recipes for fuel, rubber, and plastic can drastically increase how much you can get out of a single oil node. I've built a good stock pile of hard drives and I'm trying to find these alternative recipes. I'm just wondering of I should wait till I can find the alt recipes I'm looking for or just build a factory with the regular recipes.

[vestal merlin]

thats criminal, thats exactly where I left off

[vestal merlin]

I hear it only gets better 🥲

[slate python]

What

Mmmmm #screenshots message

[crisp edge]

Wasn't intended to be at all, meant to be a satirical jab at the uselessness of the buildable if you take the time to learn how pipes work

[fluid sapphire]

what are you even trying to do here

[tender flint]

Curious if they have ever given any indication of adding belt rate alerts?

[fluid sapphire]

if you need 100 versatile frameworks or whatever, that doesnt mean you need to produce that PER MINUTE, production is ongoing, so you can make less and just wait for production

[versed plinth]

do this. i recommend around 5/minute MAX

[wicked nacelle]

All the unlock/research/progression goals in this game are about total amounts, not rates of production

at each tier you'll need a lot more of all the things you made for the previous tiers to build the things for this tier

[peak wasp]

some of us have learning disabilities, so bare that in mind

[slate python]

Awww

[vale grotto]

The point is that I don't want to wire up the recycling loop and ratio out a long line of machines
I wanna be able to click once and have some number of plastic just Appear™

[rough karma]

imagine 1000 biochemical sculptors/minute

[fluid sapphire]

ah, so you are actually being funny

[slate python]

No I want to make that

[wicked nacelle]

the point was that you could make 1/day and you'd eventually still beat the game

[steady glade]

probably 3 blueprints them, or 2 with 2 floors

[wicked nacelle]

it's all about how long you're willing to wait 🙂 also, stockpiling the previous tier's elevator parts makes sense while you work on the different parts of the tier you are on

[peak wasp]

question in #screenshots if anyone has a sec 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

I'm bored, I'll see what I can come up with - what size blueprint machien do you have?

[scarlet canopy]

it will work but why do you need 10.3

[vale grotto]

In my current playthrough I don't even have the mk1, but I'm completely open to using MK3 sized ones, I'm designing for the future lol

[vale grotto]

Sounds totally reasonable

[hard ivy]

yeah, why would you make 10*.3* when that doesn't even give you convenient numbers anywhere else

[wicked nacelle]

wait, isn't this just 4 buildings? I fit it in 6x4 without trying

[vale grotto]

Oh nice!!!

[steady glade]

you should do it in steps, like one blueprint that makes the packaged diluted fuel (first it has to deal with the resin, next if enough space you can include the unpackaging), then the recylcling loop, 2 to 1, and a smart splitter for the output, piping is gonna be a mess but good luck

[wicked nacelle]

#screenshots message it's not pretty but it was easy

[lofty hazel]

#1405206926026866758 plz 🙂

[steady glade]

now try making it for tier 5-6

[peak wasp]

I have 2 mines next to each other, so just wanted to pump some out 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

just FYI everyone wants help, very few people want to help, so don't get your hopes up

[ivory condor]

I see clipping

[wicked nacelle]

clipping all over the place.

[vale grotto]

Thank you!! I'll keep it in mind that it's possible :3

[ivory condor]

I think ill just stay with modded bps and not have things clip

[lofty hazel]

well… i just feel unlucky and end up with toxic and not friendly person

[wicked nacelle]

I didn't connect everything but it works in 5x5, too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1406049012397641738/image.png?ex=68a10caf&is=689fbb2f&hm=550aa7dae862bade1fbd973bf7ff5e045ca1620c686ef94357f4b1798a335850&

[vale grotto]

Ooooh 👀

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think it would work in a 4x4 because of height

[ivory condor]

Enjoy the clipping I guess

[vale grotto]

Makes sense yeah

[knotty smelt]

im about to crash out trying to get these pipes to work vetically

[ivory condor]

Well you dont have to engage with toxic people you know, thats why blocking exists, etc

[lofty hazel]

that's what i did after someone did for no reason

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, I can't get it to fit in 4x4 and I don't think it's possible

[shy mulch]

unfortunately blocking doesnt really block on discord, it's more of a "hide" function, misleading name really

[hard ivy]

why would you want to make a BP with a blender in it in a mk1 BP anyway

[lofty hazel]

whatever, i still need person to join to my world

[wicked nacelle]

😄

[shy mulch]

i literally just joined the convo I don't know any context, just read the last few messages, was it a technical problem you're having?

[lofty hazel]

it's not technical, it's just sort of loneliness as well as building and optimize problems

[crisp edge]

This was not a personal attack on your intelligence, everything is okay.

[hard ivy]

honestly it's best to play this game alone or with people on a level similar to yours. Playing with someone way more or less experienced is just frustrating

[ivory condor]

Close as exists unfortunately, prevents said person from dming or interacting in anyway. Sometimes you just have to take the options you have, especially when people decide to be toxic

[lofty hazel]

i tried to join with group but they are on p2-3 t3-4

[keen oriole]

I'm in this picture and I don't like it 😞

oh, you can use them for when you cannot balance water, just place a couple dozen and clear them while u get the balance right

[ivory condor]

Imo its bad game design, everytime people have issues with people and are expected to look up guides because the game doesnt do a good job explaining pipes in the first place....

[keen oriole]

how would a good in-game explanation of pipes look like?

[hard ivy]

somebody looked at the code recently and they're using an actual irl physics equation to simulate flow

like bruh, this is a game

foundations can just float and you're coding in flow simulations???
(badly, might I add, because everything in-game is apparently a superfluid)

[rough karma]

gotta be realistic in the game with dark matter residue and excited photonic matter

[hasty peak]

imagine they redo the quantum recipes to reflect when quantum computers become a real thing lmao

[crisp edge]

I mean the math does math properly so it shouldn't really need a guide, if the player takes a minute to think about it

[ivory condor]

You know this is as bad as I thought it would be

Honestly im not really suprised but still deeply disappointed

[hasty peak]

if you thought that was bad look up tf2 developers losing their mind lmao

[ivory condor]

Imo no game should implement navier stokes equation

[willow glen]

ya, I studied flow for a year in college, we typically used cloud computing overnight to model seconds of simulation. Seems wild to put anything close to that in a game

[hasty peak]

can we put that breaking bad in the lab gif with the bottom text saying satisfactory devs overcomplicating the most basic mechanics

[willow glen]

But as long as you

1. Always pump vertical pipes
2. Don’t mix fresh and recycled product
   pipes are easy. It’s when you wanna get creative and violate 1 or 2 that it gets weird and non-realistic imo

[bright magnet]

gotta love spending 1 hour belting everything to then notice that the stackable conveyor belt supports were off my 1 click ... hell nah i wont fix it

[willow glen]

Also flow being 600m3 whether it’s 1m or 1km (horizontally) is laughable but whatevs

[bright magnet]

as long it flows it just works

[hasty peak]

or just cheese it and put pumps on a single water pipe to move like 100 other pipes going like 500 meters up or something stupid lmao

[willow glen]

yaaa, it’ll work if you do it right, but if you don’t it’s endless headaches.

And all the lovely edge cases where it works for an hour then doesn’t

[hard ivy]

and the actually lovely edge case where my U6 power plant magically fixed itself one day after I've given up on making it work 60 hours earlier

[peak wasp]

So I accidentally created a battery that can run my entire factory for a week

[willow glen]

expand the factory until that becomes an hour
Actually, how many batteries is that?

[hasty peak]

Lumi would you like to see the comically huge model i have currently, ive been working on it for like weeks now lmao

[bright magnet]

not enough ... make a tower that can work for a full year without stop and all buildings cranking 200%

[willow glen]

lol sure

[bright magnet]

but thats one of my goals to make a stupidly overkill battery tower

[peak wasp]

Lots lol

[willow glen]

I believe you lol but gimme a scale at least; 100s, 1000s, 10,000s?

[keen oriole]

u can only fit mats for 25 batteries in the depot

kinda seems low idk

[storm talon]

I now have 24 coal gens up and running.

There's a lot of mess in the area that I'll need to go and clean up before long, but it's nice to have enough power.

[peak wasp]

conveyor up a ramp, better to use lifts?

feels like the belt loses speed with a lift, creates a gap

[shy mulch]

it doesn't

[peak wasp]

maybe poles better hmm

[storm talon]

@shy mulch Is diluted packaged fuel any good?

Lifts are the same speed as ramps.

[shy mulch]

I've never used it, if it suits your needs then use it, if it doesn't then don't, I guess

[hard ivy]

it's 4x more oil efficient than default fuel if combined with the HOR alt

[main topaz]

Last I checked, the diluted fuel recipe has the same oil efficiency but doesn't require an array of packagers to work, instead it needs a blender. It might be worth waiting until you get blenders.

[storm talon]

It came up, that's why I asked. But I guess that's fine because the other options were kinda ass lol.

Those damn tick thingys get in the way so often

Gotta smack 'em to get 'em to leave.

I killed one and noticed it has tears on its face when you kill it. I'm sorry, I had no other choice, you were stuck on top of a splitter. 🥹

[ivory condor]

Foundry at least didn't over complicate pipes thankfully

[storm talon]

They should make hypertube boosters an actual thing in the next update.

[topaz shale]

I agree. Even though my hypertube can make it to and from my oil area, it does have a very slow point in it. I know why though but would love a booster for areas like that.

[dusky pelican]

I finally figured out throughput w/r/t trains and I feel like I can see time

[wicked nacelle]

you just want the same thing that's already in the game but give it a different name?

the hypertube entrance already does that

[topaz shale]

I mean like something like a pump for a pipe. Something that you can just place over a pre-existing hypertube setup. With the entrance, you need to do some finagling to get it right.

[wicked nacelle]

just put another entrance in it

or 10

[topaz shale]

Can you place entrances in the middle of a hypertube without having to deconstruct it first?

[wicked nacelle]

no

so deconstruct it first

[storm talon]

You know you can just make boosters

[topaz shale]

Then it isn't fixing the issue. The main thing I would like to see is a way to place a booster on a hypertube that acts like pumps for pipes and that can maybe work for both ways.

[topaz shale]

Sorta yeah but I mean an actual part meant for boosting and not just the entrance of the hypertube.

[storm talon]

No it's the same principle as a hyper tube cannon, you set up staggered entrances and supports. Three usually does the trick for getting up ramps

Well yes.

They should add boosters that are essentially water pumps for hypertubes. They probably don't want to because they think it will break the game for some people, but that's not been a problem before.

[topaz shale]

I would also like it to work both ways and not just one way but that is just my preference.

[storm talon]

If they do it I think they'll make it a one way thing. They like introducing a bit of inconvenience and it's not that hard of a workaround.

[topaz shale]

True. I wonder if I can use a hypertube branch to have a single tube be able to handle two entrances. I'll probably do that.

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure you can do 2-way boosters

[topaz shale]

I have not the slightest idea on how to do that.

[wicked nacelle]

hypertube cannons work amazingly well. I suggest just using those instead of the actual tubes to take you places. Cannon is faster and MUCH more flexible in terms of where you go. Additionally once you get serious altitude your (my) understanding of the map increased drastiaclly

[storm talon]

Yes, you can do that. It will sometimes knock you back to the other side though, so be wary.

[wicked nacelle]

I stopped thinking about different locations and really just understood how small the map is and how little the distance mattered

[topaz shale]

Oh for sure. Now that I have a jetpack to be able to safely land.

[wicked nacelle]

parachute is pretty good, though -- for early game

[storm talon]

My problem with hypertube junctions is that setting them up at the entrance of a hypertube booster takes you the wrong way.

[hard ivy]

Just put entrances on both sides of the tubes in the booster. Might need to space them out more to prevent being sucked backwards but it should work

[dusky pelican]

Question about hypertube cannons: How the hell do you get back? Another cannon powered by biomass burners or something?

[storm talon]

🏃‍♂️

[wicked nacelle]

run rail to your new base and that gives you power

[hard ivy]

I cannon between factories and all of them have cannons

[wicked nacelle]

also if you're near a geyser, that works too

[dusky pelican]

My least favorite part of this game is on-foot travel. Exploring is fun until I have to get back to base

[hard ivy]

And if I cannon to explore, yeah, then I walk to the nearest factory and launch from there

[storm talon]

Or this: https://youtube.com/shorts/yDLm7QEm-Kw?si=00MrIEvKz--2KTBb

[wicked nacelle]

I have a cannon blueprint and just toss it down whenever I need one -- and yes, some people have bioburners prefilled with solid biofuel in their blueprints and then if you turn around real quick you can deconstruct it while you're flying away

[hard ivy]

Well, slide jump, not walk

[storm talon]

The factory is never as far away as it seems tbh

Err, hub*

[wicked nacelle]

especially because you can just deconstruct it and take it with you

[storm talon]

Slide jumping with jet pack usually solves most problems as far exploring for me lol

Yeah true

[wicked nacelle]

belt slide jump is even better

[hard ivy]

Yeah, that too

[dusky pelican]

Wow I just looked up the map size for the first time ever lol (120 hours, true noob). 5.5km square is really not that big

I mean it's bigger than a lot of games. But I already have outposts 2km from the hub and stuff

[wicked nacelle]

48 km^2

6kmx8km

[storm talon]

Oh when I was out exploring the last time an alpha stinger ran after me when I was near that giant hole at the titan forest and I got to watch it careen itself into the abyss

[dusky pelican]

Yeah I was being lazy with my units there

[storm talon]

Pretty convinced massage 2B is a moon