satisfactory

[vague sparrow]

the only thing that really drops my fpos my 40-50 is the cinematic foilage rendering

[inner echo]

I got a latest gen AMD card up from a 7600...that's when suddenly dx12 started working better. They are still working on implementing the next gen stuff in vulkan in mesa.

[vague sparrow]

dont buy nvidia if you love yourself

latest RX 9070 XT is only 700 euros

[main quest]

The rtx 5070 is good for the price

[inner echo]

I wouldn't for historical reasons. They were awful towards the OSS community/users.

[main quest]

5070 is 550

[vague sparrow]

for what specs

wait ima co mpare

5070 low end nvidia though, 9070 Xt is highend amd

[limpid cairn]

agreed

[main quest]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hM66zP

[limpid cairn]

the 5070 isnt really good unless its ti

but a 5070 ti costs like half a liver already

nearly 1k for a gpu

[vague sparrow]

hmmm

5070 regular is slightly better than 9070 XT

[main quest]

bruh

[vague sparrow]

but it has 12gb vram tho

You'll want 16 minimum

[main quest]

the rtx 5070 is +8% better than RX 9070 XT

[vague sparrow]

still, becuase its nvidia thats -50% aura points

[main quest]

wait what

9070 xt is 799$

[limpid cairn]

real

they were good before they started using ai mostly

[main quest]

yea

[limpid cairn]

like the only reason the 50xx series is better than the 40xx series is because of ai

[vague sparrow]

because nvidia is selling 95% to datacenters

4090 is better than any 50 series

they downgraded

also, 12gb on a card is just barely enough to play nwer games

you'll need another upgrade in 1-2 years

or lower settings of course

[limpid cairn]

newer games...

you can barely play apex and hitman

and both of them are ancient games

[vague sparrow]

I think 16GB is the sweet spot

above that you' ll pay alot more

[limpid cairn]

if you need more you can always salvage more onto your gpu

[vague sparrow]

My gpu and cpu can be overclocked, but doubt it's worth theffort

[main quest]

The Rx 7900 XTX has 24g of V-ram and the Rtx 5070 has 12g of V-ram. The Rx 7900 XTX only beats it by +7%

[vague sparrow]

yeah v-ram isn't everything

But you do need it to load in all the vertices in games

[main quest]

Does high vram only afect 4k games

[vague sparrow]

v-ram is where all the textures are laoded before renderedd, so higher quality stuff neds more vram

4k gaming rn is kinda meh

unless you have money to splurge

1440p is the sweet spot

for price/performance

[main quest]

yeah, you need to spend over 1000$ to even consider 4k

[vague sparrow]

WAY over 1000

[main quest]

is the 5080 the a 4k gpu

[vague sparrow]

I spent 1500 euros on my setup and I can run all games 1440p on ultra with 100fps+

[main quest]

What is the best amd gpu

[vague sparrow]

if you like playing at 40fps 5080 is for 4k yes

I'd say go with 7000 series

the 6000 series are similar if not slightly better than 7000 series gpu

[limpid cairn]

isnt vram basically the vram your gpu uses?

[eternal geyser]

7900xt, 7900xtx at a decent price kill, personally love my xtx

[vague sparrow]

the x3D CPUs from amd are best for gaming

[limpid cairn]

agreed

[eternal geyser]

yes*

[main quest]

isn't the 7000 series like 2 years old

Is the i5 14700k a good cpu

[eternal geyser]

i can play any game i want on max fps on 1440p

[vague sparrow]

let me tell you the 6850 sapphite XT card hads higer performence than my 7800 XT and its liek 8 years old lol

age isn;'t everything

don't fall for the new is alwaysu better trap

[eternal geyser]

meh, probably not worth its price compared to a decent amd cpu unless youre doing something needing cpu cores (blender or something)

[limpid cairn]

doesnt matter you hardly can make newer gpu chips anyways atm

[vague sparrow]

gaming requires only like 8 cores

You'll want 12 or more if you go rendering or graphic designing stuff like that

single core performance is what you need for most games, since alot are not multithreaded optimized anyway

[fluid sapphire]

Or music production

[vague sparrow]

music takes alot of cpu process? never looked into that

[main quest]

What is a good 1440p gpu

or cpu

[vague sparrow]

7800 xt/xtx

cpu ryzen 7 7000 or 9000 series

[eternal geyser]

7800xt, 7900xt at good prices. 9600x cpu

[vague sparrow]

yeah 9600x cpu kinda pricy tho like 3-400

i checked yesterday the 9600X3d was 480 euros 🙁

9600x probably 300

[eternal geyser]

euros

[vague sparrow]

480 euros, or, 550 dollars?

dollar kind bad rn lol

[eternal geyser]

usa can buy a 9600x for 200usd

[vague sparrow]

oh yeah 194 euros for me

7800X3D 308 euros

9800X3d 465

[main quest]

nah was thinking of getting the
Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX

is it good

[vague sparrow]

unfair how websites price euros and dollars the same even though the euro is worth more, rip off for sustomers

[eternal geyser]

[main quest]

I am trolling

[vague sparrow]

it's pretty good if u want to run servers lol

and send me a stack of that money tree u got

[main quest]

I don't know if 13k is in the budget

[vague sparrow]

When you are in the hospotal on your deathbed, make a wish foundation will grant you one I'm sure

hospital*

[eternal geyser]

lmao if you want a good 1440p build, this is what i would recommend (usa list) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8TB3Dj

[steady cedar]

Quick find relative who is about to die

[vague sparrow]

I think I had that same motherboard

have*

[main quest]

this is a pc part picker list I made a while back https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qw6zcx

[vague sparrow]

I think the 9600 and 9600X are the same processors

X is just overclocked, so you can get a 9600 and overclock it for X poerformance

at least thats how it is for my 7700 vs 7700x

[eternal geyser]

or just leave it since the difference in x vs not x is almost non-existent

[vague sparrow]

yeah, but the price is different

Think it saved me 100 euros just for the X

[reef basin]

you might wanna go to #off-topic-tech with this

[limpid cairn]

are you in touch with the devs in any ways?

[reef basin]

why

[vague sparrow]

Isn't it relevant to build giga factories in 120 fps?

[limpid cairn]

can you ask them nicely if they can add t3 and t4 pipes to the game?

[reef basin]

no

[limpid cairn]

😔

[reef basin]

because people can't even build mk2 properly

[vague sparrow]

I think I've read there were issues with bigger pipes/faster belts something to do with the engine? I'm not sure

[true mulch]

Solve problems with the tools you have instead of complaining about a lack of tools

You can easily finish the game with mk2 pipes

[vague sparrow]

Wouldn't be opposed to having a 900m3 pipe though

[vague sparrow]

You can, but a 900m3 would suit overclocked machines more neatly in some cases

[limpid cairn]

you technically finish the game with mk1 belts and mk1 pipes thats not the issue

[reef basin]

I don't think there's a machine that makes/needs more than 600

[steady cedar]

i would really want is them adding a directly pipe
i mean as in the fluid can only go and will be forced to go in one direction

[reef basin]

so... a belt?

[steady cedar]

i guess?

[vague sparrow]

no, but i'm outputting rocket fuel at 250p/m, so I need alot of pipes to get all that to the generators

[steady cedar]

i mean you could pack them and unpack them

[reef basin]

build the gens near the factory

[steady cedar]

but thats way to much work to achieve it

[vague sparrow]

It would make for a cleaner build with less belts if there was a bit higher flow throughput

well they are right next to the gens..

[reef basin]

that's not what I mean

[vague sparrow]

But they have to go up by about 400meters

[boreal musk]

rocket fuel is gas

gravity isnt an issue

[vague sparrow]

that's true

it does reach, but currently I am producing more than my pipes can handle, so I'd have to route 2 extra pipes all the way up to account for that

[steady cedar]

you think it would be hard to implement?
it could just be a teir 9 pipe unlock but would be nice to have such a thing where flow is directional through out the whole pipe

[reef basin]

no, I'm saying the whole point of pipes is to be a different mechanic from belts

if you have directional pipes, they are not different from belts and serve no real purpose

[vague sparrow]

I need to do a little tinkering and maybe add 4 more blenders and run then at 200p/m

[reef basin]

if you'd build the gens in front of machines, you wouldn't have this issue 😉

[vague sparrow]

like on ground level you mean?

would 675m3 go through a 600 pipe ?

[reef basin]

I mean if a machine makes 200, build gens that eat 200 right in front of it

[steady cedar]

i understand that but as you see satisfactory pipes dont really follow normal pipe logic, if we could use pumps not to just provide headlift but also force the fluid to go through the pipe faster, i wouldnt mind that being a feature

[reef basin]

as you see satisfactory pipes dont really follow normal pipe logic
they do though?

[vague sparrow]

#screenshots message this is pretty much in front of the ngenerator though

[steady cedar]

i guess i couldnt make it work like that then, also maybe the game should describe it as well?

[reef basin]

yeah but you're merging multiple machines

(also remove the pointless buffers :P)

[vague sparrow]

issue is I have enough turbofuel for 225p/m production on 12 blenders, so I should add more blenders to get it down to 200 to match pipes

[steady cedar]

by forcing i mean as in how an irl engine would work, pulling the fluid from back and increasing pressure on output side forcing fluid to pass

[fluid sapphire]

if the flow was realistic you could get away with much more hacky pipe systems

[vague sparrow]

I know, I jus thave a habit of making buffers lol

I might delete the buffers and add more blenders

[fluid sapphire]

inline buffers only cause issues

[reef basin]

sure, SF doesn't have pressure, but it simulates the flow pretty realistically

[vague sparrow]

since I am overproducing the buffers are 100% filled though, so I am not having problems for now

the problem is not enough comp coal to run turbo fuel at 100%

[reef basin]

well then they are useless, as they will just be always full 😄

[vague sparrow]

Fair enough

I thought full buffers guaranteed max flow rate through the exit

[boreal musk]

it doesnt

[reef basin]

no

[steady cedar]

i think thats what i kind of want it to work like i guess, just a simple way to these random pipe problems and not having to use pipe heights and such for these things

[frail sleet]

a buffer is just a pipe which is really tall and wide

there is no actually different behavior involved

[boreal musk]

your pipes can backflow and limit your overall flowrate

[vague sparrow]

for fluids they can generate some headlift though

for gas, useless

[steady cedar]

that is what i kinda dont wanna deal with, i like making big factories and logistics, pipes are annoying

[reef basin]

buffers do not generate headlift

[frail sleet]

Neither generates headlift, they just transmit it onwards. A pipe "generates" headlift in exactly the same manner (filling a pipe to say 10m height will allow fluid to later flow up to 10m)

[blazing bane]

What’s the actual use case for buffers?

[still arch]

underclock doesn't reduce power usage 😔

[fluid sapphire]

transporting via train

literally the only time you should be using buffers

[vague sparrow]

maybe generate is the wrong word, but the pressure from a filled buffer pushes it further

[reef basin]

• buffering train stations
• off-grid fluid storage for kickstarting a setup if you don't want to do proper power setup
• nothing else

[reef basin]

there's no pressure in Satisfactory

[boreal musk]

most of the time i limit my pipes to 400-500/min so in case theres any backflow, my pipe still has enough room

[frail sleet]

Pipe transmits headlift also, identically. It's, AFAIK, literally identical code

[reef basin]

"pressure" is not a concept here, we only have headlift, which means "how far up can the fluid go"

[boreal musk]

600/min works fine, but more often i loop both ends

[vague sparrow]

I know it's flowrate

[reef basin]

and buffer doesn't do anything special to it

[vague sparrow]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf I read this manual and somewher there it say's a filled buffer will push liquids up toa certain height past it

[frail sleet]

Yeah that's just headlift transmission. A filled pipe does the same.

[reef basin]

some sections of pipe manual are more of a "collection of interesting builds" than "you need to build this to work"

[still arch]

eh actually underclock reduce power usage after i read in reddit, but my fuse keep blowing, as i try to jumpstart my coal 😭

[vague sparrow]

Fair enough, I did see some interesting things in there that I might try though

[fluid sapphire]

disconnect them from the rest of your power grid

[still arch]

okay I'll check again

[fluid sapphire]

use some biofuel burners to help

[reef basin]

in general, I'd keep the recommendation of "never use buffer unless for trains, never use valves ever, keep pipes simple, loop manifolds"

that works in 99.9% of cases

[vague sparrow]

I might try to loop water around my wet concrete setup to see if that keeps it going once I build it

[still arch]

actually i use biofuel again i connect it to miner mk2 underclocked to 50%, water extractor, and 2 pumps. but the usage still 43mW 🤔

turns out i need to underclock more 😂

[vague sparrow]

extractor is 20mw by itself

my bad didnt mean to @ you greeny

[fluid sapphire]

dont underclock, just make more biomass burners

[still arch]

okay, thanks!

[fluid sapphire]

you'll just want to have enough power to get the coal plant running as it normally would with as many biomass burners as it takes, then you can get rid of the biomass burners as the system becomes self-sustaining again

[boreal musk]

for me, i just fill all the gens with water first so all the extractor goes idle, which gives room for miners to get me some coal for the coal gens

or simply just kick start it one by one

[fluid sapphire]

thats the best option probably

[frail sleet]

1: Trains, so that machines feeding the train have somewhere to output between train stops (and vice versa on the other end)

2a: Bootstrapping liquids

For example if you are making non-fissile uranium, it inputs 500 water worth of nitric acid and 500 water worth of sulfuric acid. It outputs 500 water.

You can connect the 500 byproduct water to one of the acid inputs, but it needs water in the system to bootstrap it before it self sustains. If you provide this extra water via a prefilled buffer, you could turn this system on remotely with one click and never have to touch it. If you provided the water via an extractor directly, you would need to measure out a specific amount of water and manually disconnect the extractor to stop it from flooding your waste pipe.

2b: If you're making for example a large rocket fuel power plant, you can build the rocket fuel processing FIRST, then connect it to a series of buffers. Lets say that you're making 600 rocket fuel per min, and it takes you 10 minutes to place, pipe up and power 60 generators.

Your buffers now have 6000 rocket fuel in them.

Those generators and the pipes require ~5000 rocket fuel to fill completely before every manifolded generator will operate simultaneously and continuously. If you didn't have a buffer, you connect the 600 rocket fuel to the generators and it takes literally 5 hours to spool up.

With that 6000 rocket fuel buffer, you can connect the 600/min rocket fuel creation to the front side of the manifold and the 6000 buffered fuel to the back side of the manifold. All pipes and generators will be full in ~ 6 minutes instead of literally many hours.

3: Storing larger quantities of stuff
Similar to 2b, if you make a power plant which creates say 50GW of fuel but you're only using 10GW at the moment, you can send 25GW of fuel into storage and treat it like a battery. When your power usage gets higher, connect that fuel directly to generators instead - but if you had 25GW of fuel going to buffers for 10 hours, you've got 250GWH of energy that you can burn at-will and which can be really useful - for example, it can jumpstart a terawatt nuclear plant.

3b: Also applies to e.g. Dark Matter Residue. If you make something that has a DMR byproduct and you don't have anywhere for it to go immediately, you can throw some buffers on the output. The machine will create its parts without choking, and the DMR will be waiting for you to hook up to something later. You can also have a SAM node do double duty here, hook it to creation of like 20 buffers of DMR while you're off doing something else, then later on swap it to create Ficsite instead - and you have like 30,000 DMR just waiting to be used which would otherwise just not exist.

There is more that you can do with them but it's mostly just little stuff like this.

[fluid sapphire]

i find for filling fuel generators and their adjacent pipe systems its a lot easier to just sloop the machines making the fuel, until the system is full

[frail sleet]

That is one way to go about it, but pipe flow rate limits can make it annoying. Like if you have 600/600 pipes already going from A to B then you can't sloop it because it's already maxed out, but one of those pipes will take 10 hours to fill the amount of generators that it can run via a manifold. You'd need to hook it up with like 300/600 pipes, sloop to 600/600, and only have 300 fuel worth of generators attached - which you can do, it's just a different approach

[fluid sapphire]

ah, ok, well i dont build my pipes to maximize up to 600

if i have a blender making 150 rocket fuel, for example, i just stick generators after that

and do the same for every other blender

[frail sleet]

that is a good approach

In general, if you're not moving fluids long distances, combining pipes together which don't need to be connected is probably a mistake.

If it needs to go 3km away then having 1x 600/600 pipe to take instead of 4x 150/600 is a benefit, but for short distances it's much easier to run and to use pipes which aren't near flow rate limits. That also lets you do stuff like slooping to solve this problem as you said

[boreal musk]

another way is just to underclock some gens or disconnect it to powerline so it doesnt consume any fuel

makes manifold fill faster

[frail sleet]

Ye, i think if you have the benefit of planning it's just not as quick or satisfying 😄

cause the buffer approach is literally making fuel that would otherwise be idling machines, while you put down gens

[boreal musk]

the satisfying part is seeing my power production graph still at flat line after 50hrs

[steady glade]

is sulfur something you need loads of?

[frail sleet]

No, it gives the most efficient usage of caterium but it's not much of a benefit over Pure Caterium and that doesn't matter outside of gigaprojects. It's mostly used in manageable quantities for power, and small quantities for weapons.

The main issue with sulfur is just that there might not be any within a few kilometers of where you actually want it, so sulfur+oil spots are treasured for turbo/rocket fuel for example

[steady glade]

im making rocket fuel but im torn between nitro and default, i could use 3x sulfur for 30% more yield, or use 4x more oil to achieve less

[frail sleet]

more sulfur is fine

especially if it's rocket fuel, that's like, your last major sulfur expense

[steady glade]

aight cool thanks

[boreal musk]

im more like saving the nitrogen for other stuff

cuz nitro eats lots of them

[frail sleet]

nitrogen is much the same, mostly there for fuel, usually finish the game without using most of it

but a bit more useful ye

[boreal musk]

so i prefer turbo blend and default rocket

my last one was making 3k/min with only 900 sulfur and 1200 nitrogen

[steady glade]

and how much oil?

[frail sleet]

the nitrogen consumption is pretty close too btw, for 150 rocket fuel it's 60 per min for default or 75 for nitro rocket.

[boreal musk]

around 1500/min

[steady glade]

yeah thats a lot in my opinion

[fickle tusk]

for a factory that size?

[frail sleet]

there's 10800 of it on the map

i think i used 1500 total to finish the game, i was also conserving but it was totally unneccesary

[steady glade]

i intended to get 2400 rocket fuel out of 1600 sulfur and nitrogen and 600 oil

[boreal musk]

im not using alot of oil anyway aside from recycled plubber and power

for diamonds i mostly use pink alt

[frail sleet]

yeah that's super fine

if you spent 10,000 sulfur and nitrogen you might have an issue, but it's nowhere near that amount, and 2400 rocket fuel is like plenty of power to oversloop whatever you want

[austere lichen]

I'm making a pyramid main base, and am using 8m slanted walls, but I also want to incorporate windows, does anybody have an idea how to solve that neatly?

[steady glade]

i might make a 2nd rocket fuel factory but i feel like the 1st should be enough to get me to nuclear

[austere lichen]

It would've been easier if there were 8m roofs as well

[frail sleet]

2400 rocket fuel is more than enough to entirely replace nuclear. If you want to do nuclear then consider doing like 600.

[boreal musk]

2400 rf is like 144gw, thats enough to kickstart max nuclear

[still arch]

okay, thank you

[frail sleet]

kickstart is much better done on batteries (either power storage or buffers/ISC's). You can charge an extremely large one with surprisingly little power

it is 144+

[still arch]

please help regarding head lift #screenshots message

[steady glade]

ye my bad sry i made plans for a 300 node

[frail sleet]

think i made 2560 rocket fuel and my power number with it online was ~180gw

[boreal musk]

unfortunately though, seems like my game doesnt like power storages

the rendering killed my frame entirely

[dense violet]

pumps have a hidden +2m possible headlift. Don't try to use it

[frail sleet]

in this case you can send some rocket fuel to buffers or package for ISC

11 ISC's and 396 generators (100%) will deliver >100 GWH at 100 GW. They can be all connected and turned on/off remotely via power switch.

and if you send even a few GW of rocket fuel its way, it will charge while you build the nuclear setup, then you can discharge it at 10x or 100x the rate that you actually created the fuel.

building gens tho might be more annoying than building power storage 😛

[boreal musk]

agreed tho, i did 1k+ gens in my first 1.0 save before

its not fun at all

[boreal musk]

well i actually not using all of the rf i produced for power, i packaged some of them for drones

[frail sleet]

also also you can build banks of remotely triggered rocket fuel burners

so that you can selectively turn on like 10% or 50% or 90% of it and waste less fuel to overproduction

[still arch]

oh okay

[sterile blade]

You could "cheat" a tiny bit by rotating a window inside a blueprinter (using a save editor or mods) and blueprinting it, so that you have a window with the right incline... Though you would still have to figure out how to deal with their different size compared to 8m roofs ^^

[sterile blade]

I remember someone making a biomass-only run before 1.0 and advertising it in this channel... It didn't end well

[mortal ginkgo]

Interesting. I thought he could go a long way if he slooped the whole process of animal to biomass

he would have massive amount of biomass

[boreal musk]

using liquid biofuel for fuel gens? yeah it wont last long

[frail sleet]

you can package it and feed it to biomass gens so they only give as much power as you need

[boreal musk]

it reminds me pre power rework where they work the same as bio burner

theres no exact consumption rate

[sterile blade]

Before 1.0 biomass burners didn't have automated inputs and there were no Somersloops

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now I understand that he needs help and he is a mad man

[sterile blade]

No. The non-automated burners

[mortal ginkgo]

you have hope for humanity, I envy that.

but alas, real life can be rough

some people just enjoys pain and suffering, oddly enough

[boreal musk]

1 refinery consumes exactly 1 bio burner produce, lmao what a pain

[sterile blade]

Ended up leaving the server in a fit of rage, throwing an @ to CoffeeStainers with some unpleasant words about how biomass was stupid and pointless

[dense turtle]

does someone else know? i think my precious helpful guy is not online #1401328304237182996 message

[ivory condor]

I remember that and he talked about it was superior to coal power

[mortal ginkgo]

I am glad they fixed it though. Now biomass be cool 🙂‍↕️

[mortal ginkgo]

ok, now the guy belongs to an asylum

"it can't get any worse" but it actually does brotherman 😭

[ivory condor]

You should seen the end, the guy basically lost their mind trying to build a 20gw+ biomass plant, these were all burners btw, all hand feeding

[boreal musk]

its actually fun now to semi automate solid biofuel and load balance it to each burner at early stage

[ivory condor]

That past discussion sure was interesting, in what on earth is this person doing sort of way

[boreal musk]

id imagine the fuel run out first before hes done hand feeding all of it

[sterile blade]

Feel the joys of load-balancing!

[frozen cloud]

nah man im manifolding biofuel

[ivory condor]

I imagine that's exactly what happened

This was before 1.0, so couldn't manifold them either

[mortal ginkgo]

"It's ok to be wrong and request help from well trained doctors." is my motto for all mental illnesses.

[frozen cloud]

like iron wire users

[mortal ginkgo]

If he was a clever fella, he could pay me money to constantly keep his fuel gens

[mortal ginkgo]

is it bad to not use copper wire? I heard iron wire takes long time to make but at least you save on copper?

[frozen cloud]

use caterium (and copper) instead

[boreal musk]

more like youre dealing with 9.29449 decimals

[frozen cloud]

and have to build 500 machines

[mortal ginkgo]

eh, I am not THAT puritan. If factoriolab says I need 7.1 constructor, I will make 8 constructors with one working at 10%. 😄

[boreal musk]

yeah at that point ill just overproduce and sink the overflow, cant spare any braincells for it

[sterile blade]

It's a bit of a meme how there ends up being tons of Wire Constructors in one's save if they go full Iron Wire (it's the slowest recipes for Wire)

[ivory condor]

I would like to see him back, he would be pleased to see you can now manifold burners, so funny enough going mass burners for power is actually more viable now

[mortal ginkgo]

ah makes sense. I thought screws took that place kek

[mortal ginkgo]

well I wouldnt be happy for him, because now he got a point to justify his madness

and even DARE to call thats automated kek

[ivory condor]

Well im not going to recommend, because the input still can't be fully automated

Wait what if I put packaged fuel into burners...hmmm

Because you can use more than biomass for them right hmmm

Am I having a terrible idea here

[sterile blade]

Heh, speaking of decimals, I just managed to finish a factory plan that actually tries to optimize beltwork, so that all most inputs are convenient fractions of the outputs, so that the items can easily be split 2-3 ways between productions and storage. Felt quite good, thinking of all the belt shenanigans I'll be saving to achieve that balancing

[sterile blade]

Technically it should be just a tiny bit less efficient that using it liquid in Fuel Generators (waste a tiny bit of power for packaging)

[winged walrus]

long time ago the waypoints on map were requiring an item lol

why did they remove that?

it was fun

[clever sandal]

What item did it require (im sorry for being new i had the game on my wishlist for way too long)

[leaden turret]

March 22nd, 2024 Video
Things Being Removed
https://youtube.com/embed/QZJ27aFaoJc?autoplay=1&start=567&end=650

the reason why we're removing beacons is because we've since updated how the map works with the addition of map markers which you can more easily like place down on the map instead of having to like physically go and place them in the world

[winged walrus]

beacons

[clever sandal]

Fascinating

[ivory condor]

Nevermind my idea is ruined it only accepts packaged liquid biofuel, so the input still can't be fully automated

[boreal musk]

iirc its 2.4/min for packaged liquid biofuel instead of 4/min using solid

not that much of gain because you're also consuming the canisters

and the power to automate those canisters will reduce the net

[ivory condor]

Yeah my idea is ruined anyways. I was trying to be cute and thought for a moment regular packaged fuel could work to, but alas its all ruined now

[boreal musk]

altho it could be fully automated if fabric was still accepted as input

pre 1.0 you can burn fabric in bio burners

[idle pollen]

I’m starting construction on my Nuclear Power Plant, any tips?

[vague sparrow]

build the waste management part first, before you turn it on

[sterile blade]

Should've tried with a Fuel Rod at that point

[reef basin]

build on ocean

[sterile blade]

Build on foundations

[cedar portal]

Build foundations on an ocean

[vague sparrow]

how much water do they take when overclocked? 600p/m ea?

[boreal musk]

600/min at 250%

[vague sparrow]

Alright

[boreal musk]

240/min at 100%

[vague sparrow]

I just ran out of fused frames so I' m forced to fi nish my other factory first before nuclear

😢

[idle pollen]

I’m running on fuel right now and I don’t think I would have enough power to get both uranium and plutonium done at the same time.
My plan was to do uranium first to get power, unlock mk3 miners, then build plutonium

[vague sparrow]

You could store the waste at the edge of the map in like a 100 containers untill you're ready

or get some rocket fuel going, you won't need much of that to get a bunch of power to cross the gap

I haven't experienced it yet, but I think the wiki said something waste radiation can go up to 500m

Also depending on the volume I think

[idle pollen]

I want to get power before automating parts like fused frames and turbo motors because my base can’t handle that with my current power setup.

[vague sparrow]

rocket fuel is the best option

[idle pollen]

But I need nitric acid for that, which I get in particle enrichment

I don’t have the parts to unlock it

[vague sparrow]

Fair enough, then turbo fuel

turbo fuel is pretty good too and you can easily upgrae it to rocket later on

If you haven't unlocked that many tiers yet maybe nuclear isn't the best option right now

[idle pollen]

I have a turbofuel plant in the Blue crater lake. I was using the diluted recipe in the refineries to make fuel. But the balancing of the canisters back between packagers make the power plant very unstable.
I could go back now that I have blenders and replace the refineries and packagers and use diluted fuel in the blender to simplify the power plant

[vague sparrow]

i've personally never used packaged fuel recipe, but aren't the canisters 1:1?

seems like a buffer in between or an overflow sink would keep things running

[idle pollen]

It’s other inconsistencies in headlift that make some packagers making packaged water back up

[vague sparrow]

place the packagers higher, or add a pump perhaps

[idle pollen]

I’ve added pumps and buffers but the flow rate keeps fluctuating

[vague sparrow]

flow rate always fluctuates because concumption isnt continuous but incremental

consumption*

[idle pollen]

It’s heavy fluctuating, like near 0 for a few seconds, then near full for another few seconds

[vague sparrow]

hmm, add more water production

so the pipe stays filled more, full pipes re happy pipes

[idle pollen]

It’s an issue with oil residue

[vague sparrow]

hmm

[idle pollen]

It might as well be string theory with how complicated the fluids mechanics are in this game

[vague sparrow]

You're not getting enough oil residue in the pipes?

It's not that hard once you know the basic principles

so the pakcaged water is backing up, because you're not produdding enough residue?

idk man, first you said water was the issue, now it's oil?

[sly bloom]

Guys i have an issue with my nitrogen flow

I have a train station bringing it in with fluid freight cars

the problem is

If i dont have enough trains there isnt enough nitrogen gas per min

But if i have too many

The nitrogen doesnt flow out fast enough

Because when a train is loading

items/fluid cant go in or out

[vague sparrow]

use a buffer at unloadijng station

[sly bloom]

I am

[obsidian bluff]

why is is so frustratingly hard to get signals to snap to where i want to on a straight track? they mostly just try to snap to the opposite side they are supposed to or refuse to snap in most places at all

[vague sparrow]

are you using 2 buffers to get 1200p/m output of the station?

[sly bloom]

Each pipe is 450 per minute

[vague sparrow]

So your station isn't filling fast enough?

[sly bloom]

Thats if i dont have enough trains

[vague sparrow]

so add 1 extra cart

[sly bloom]

No because if i add more trains the constant unloading at the station causes it to not unload fast enough because when they are docking the nitrogen cant flow out

[fickle ether]

Hello guys, i need you help. I started a new game and in the new game i cant make blueprints. Can someone help me ?

[vague sparrow]

use 1 train with multiple carts, not 4 trains with 1 cart maybe

so there is less loading time

[sly bloom]

No they all have 2 carts

[boreal musk]

did you unlock the blueprint milestone?

[fickle ether]

yes. i got bp maker mk2

[vague sparrow]

you can copy yourbp from different save files into this save file

[fickle ether]

i can build a bluprint, but when i will place the bp its invisibil

[vague sparrow]

or create new ones, each save file has a seperate folder for BP made in that save file

ohh

[fickle ether]

yes i know

[vague sparrow]

try interacting with it or something, might be a bug I have it hapopen too sometimes with some items

[fickle ether]

and when i save the bp and the game and restart the bp is away

[vague sparrow]

or add a pipe or belt to it

hmm

[fickle ether]

i try all of this

[vague sparrow]

so 2 carts, you should be able to output 2400/pm nitrogen and you need more?

[sly bloom]

Its just a weird throughput issue

I was thinking about creating a recyclying aluminum packaging system

[vague sparrow]

like package it?

where do you need the nitrogen for then

[sly bloom]

I need the nitrogen for rocket fuel to run my 864 generators

Im using the 1800 vein in the dessert

[vague sparrow]

I see

You going for nitro fuel or the regular one?

about 500 generators require the entire map of sulfur with nitro recipe

[sly bloom]

it doesnt

it uses 2400 sulfur

And yes im using nitro

[limpid cairn]

is there any location btw for a lot of sulfure?

or do yall just pick up the small nodes

[sly bloom]

the blue crater has a pure normal and impure right next to eachother

[limpid cairn]

thats 2,5 normal nodes

💀

[idle pollen]

There’s also a Sulfur node not to far from the blue crater lake in the abyss cliffs, and another in the southern forest

[sly bloom]

But i built i my fuel setup in the tropical place

[winged walrus]

why people love blue crater so much

[sly bloom]

Its a good place for turbofuel setup

[idle pollen]

Why

[sly bloom]

it has oil coal and sulfur

[sly bloom]

Oil

[idle pollen]

Oh sorry, I got confused nvm

You mean the spire coast

[mint jetty]

Why is my coal generator saying "no connection" and not burning anything? Water and coal is being supplied

[idle pollen]

You need to connect a power line

[mint jetty]

There is one connected

All of the others work fine, except this one

[idle pollen]

That’s strange, try replacing the generator it may be a bug

[limpid cairn]

send a screen into #screenshots

[mint jetty]

Fixed it, it placed a power pole instead of attaching the wire to the machine

[limpid cairn]

[idle pollen]

[plucky plank]

is there any base head lift from a refinery or do i need a pump for each one

[idle pollen]

It’s like 10m or so if I’m not mistaken

[limpid cairn]

yeah

[plucky plank]

yep just looked it up its 10m thanks

[sterile blade]

All machine dealing with fluid have 10m of headlift, as advertised in their description (building menu)

[limpid cairn]

if you can just pump the liquid down

[plucky plank]

[limpid cairn]

let me guess, its somewhere hidden in the wall of text?

[sterile blade]

"Item description"? ^^

[true mulch]

if you consider building descriptions "walls of text" consider picking up a book

[vague sparrow]

hm, alright, I was gonna make rocket fuel with 2550m3 oil, making 3400 residual oil, which makes 6800 fuel, each blender takes 200 fuel and 200 sulfur in that recipe, which comes down to 6800 sulfur for 34 blenders working at 200% for 10200m3 p/m rocket fuel

[sly bloom]

Yeah i did that

but i was gonna do it with 9600

but it takes too many resources

[vague sparrow]

Yeah, i decided to switch recipes once I saw that lol

[sly bloom]

mhm always do the math beforehand

[limpid cairn]

i actually never looked at the the descriptions tbh

also i read books

[winged walrus]

why no fish in satisfactory

[vague sparrow]

oh I did a lot of math >.< I have about 30 machines on aplatform with all the recipes i want to use together with every calculation on a sign in front of it of how much I need

I have really been procrastinating building this lol

[idle pollen]

I had to read the FICSIT plumbing manual to get a slither of understanding on how the fluids work. I literally had to sit down and read

[true mulch]

pollution killed them

[limpid cairn]

damn

[idle pollen]

Lake shark was killed by dumping nuclear waste in the water supply

[limpid cairn]

i just fixed it with trial and error

till youtube gave me a short explaining it

i somehow managed to get a coal powerplant to work without using pumps while delivering water uphill

4 power plants actually

[vague sparrow]

You could make it extra complicated and convert SAM + iron ore into sulfur, but that sounds like a massive headache

[idle pollen]

Sounds like a challenge

[obsidian bluff]

why is is so frustratingly hard to get signals to snap to where i want to on a straight track? they mostly just try to snap to the opposite side they are supposed to or refuse to snap in most places at all

[sly bloom]

I made it when i was still at elevator stage 4

[vague sparrow]

It would be cool, I am about to do a bit of it to supplement my copmpact coal factory for more sulfur

[sly bloom]

i didnt have mk6 belts or convertes

[vague sparrow]

Fair enough

[obsidian bluff]

guess nobody has any idea huh

why cant i just slap a signal on the side of a rail where i please X_X

[smoky forge]

try to place it the wrong way first and then place a second one on the same spot

[ivory condor]

Well you see once long ago Simon misplaced the alpha keys

[smoky forge]

it will snap to your previusly wanted position

[smoky forge]

[obsidian bluff]

by snapping the wrong way you mean using the correct mode but wrong side?

oh wait u mean wrong mode but right spot

ok its working thanks

it's dumb but i guess railway building in this game is still wonk

[ivory condor]

Of course. I especially loved the cursed signal loop messages, that forever shall haunt me

And no im not touching these rails encase those messages resurface somehow

[obsidian bluff]

i have not got one of those yet. fingers crossed it doesnt happen lol

my only kind of intersection so far is a roundabout, fwiw

[ivory condor]

I get them when I touch a existing rail I need to touch and then for seemingly no logical reason the signals no longer work, no a setup where basically the same exact layout it was working perfectly fine. This game truly hates me

[obsidian bluff]

also i am only now just realizing the great canyon that borders the north forest isnt quite east-west, so this is gonna take longer than expected lol

[ivory condor]

I swear these signal errors are straight from the shadow realm

[obsidian bluff]

i am 3/4 of the way done completing my trans-satisfactory express that circles the map

[stiff cliff]

Hey, is there any alternative to SMART! mod? I know about infinite zoop to zoop foundations and walls, but how to I zoop buildings?

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[ivory condor]

Thats the fun part, no real alternative and the mod has zero chance of coming, because the source was never released, its over

Well I probably could make something but I dont really care for modding this game anymore. So somebody else can have fun doing that if they want to

[bright helm]

Bruh why are block signals bugged? I cant rotate them until I go to main menu and then load the save

And it's not my mouse fault

[true mulch]

rotate them how?

you can't rotate signals, their rotation is set by the track

[vague sparrow]

hmm weird, ChatGPT might be getting lonely, keep prompting me to come have a chat

[dense violet]

yes. 'lonely', not 'wanting to data mine'

[vague sparrow]

xD

That seems more reasonable

feels really iffy, just answer my question damn robot

I got a bunch wiser on the UObject limit, increasing the soft cap through the engine.ini will reduce crashing, but 2.1m is hardcoded into the engine itself

[dense violet]

why would you ever trust it?

[vague sparrow]

oh I don't I rarely use it

It's just a tool to find some info sometimes

I know 50% is hallucinations lol

[dense violet]

but yo uhave to go double check that it's right in teh first place? just ... google

[vague sparrow]

It gave wrong numbers based on the UObject limit, which I already knew beforehand

I can read through 10 webpages myself or have a 5 point summary listing hte most important details

like the unreal wiki I read did not explain how the 2.1 m limit is hardcoded in there

At any rate I will not have UObject crashes anymore untill I run out of ram basically

Up to that point it just increases stability around big builds

[vague sparrow]

oh you use google? telling me I shouldn't use gpt but then mention the one company that can not be trusted whatsoever 😛

[leaden turret]

chatgpt is ethically bankrupt because copyright infringement.

google is ethically bankrupt for other reasons 😛

[vague sparrow]

😄

rules for thee and not for mee right

[leaden turret]

unequal comparison

[vague sparrow]

They probably both use $$ to subvert their shady practicesa dn subvert the rules which would instantly put us in bankruptcy and jail

100m fine because we stole something? ok here you go, we won't stop though

[leaden turret]

false equivalency about ethical corruption in tech is either #off-topic-tech or #off-topic-general

[vague sparrow]

Fair enough

[cedar portal]

ChatGPT is only usefull if you have a way of verifying what it says. So it's terrible as a Satisfactory calculator as you need to run the results through a real calculator to make sure it didn't just make up some numbers somwehere.

[vague sparrow]

I use my brain and the in-game calculator for my factories, which is probably why I had to redo some things sometimes 😅

[cedar portal]

I mostly use my own calculations, sometimes I use a calculator like when I wanted to make my ionized fuel factory. But I make a lot of mistakes which I then have to go back and fix which I enjoy because it givess me an excuse to play more 🙂

[sinful carbon]

uh so whats the best recipe to get the maximum turbofuel

[pure robin]

can i have the last tube on a hypertube cannon be long or will i lose too much momentum?

[boreal musk]

per what? sulfur? oil?

[sinful carbon]

oil

[boreal musk]

default turbo recipe

[dense violet]

base TF

[sinful carbon]

and for sulfur its alternate?

[boreal musk]

turbo blend if you want to save sulfur

[sinful carbon]

and what about turbo heavy fuel?

[dense violet]

I think you still wind up with less fuel per sulfur with Blend?

[sinful carbon]

yea but i dont have that recipe yet

im at phase 3

[dense violet]

pretty sure its most fuel per everything for base recipe

[hard ivy]

Awful recipe. Do not ever use it for power. Only decent if you want a little bit of TF for jetpack or turbo ammo

[sinful carbon]

ok ok

[hard ivy]

I'd recommend just doing Heavy Oil Residue + Diluted Packaged Fuel

20 GW for 600 oil

Adding default turbofuel on top of that would turn it into 44 GW, but it's so much coal and sulfur that I wouldn't say it's worth it

[sinful carbon]

ok i can make 11,111.1 mw

with 600 heavy oil

[sinful carbon]

heavy oil residue from what

plastic or rubber? or is there another alternate

[hard ivy]

Oil -> Heavy Oil Residue. It's an alt

[sinful carbon]

ah

yea need to unlock that one first

[hard ivy]

Called the same as the fluid

[sinful carbon]

also how much coal and sulfur would that be

i currently have assemblers making 300

could theoretically max out the belt to 480 tho

[hard ivy]

1066.666 each

[sinful carbon]

i see

oh god i need that alternate

no way ill build a whole turbo fuel setup without it

same with diluted packaged fuel lol

[hard ivy]

If you have blenders (tier 7), get diluted fuel instead

(not packaged)

[sinful carbon]

not there yet

[vague sparrow]

You can run 10-15 generators on regular fuel and sloop some machines to rush to blenders

[boreal musk]

you can run with coal just fine until you unlock blender

[sinful carbon]

i dont want to build 6 more coal plants

[smoky forge]

there is also packaged diluted fuel

needs more steps but still has the same ratio

[empty hemlock]

Are there any guides on how to route/build the paths for railroads? because I need to get some from my rubber machines to my elevator but I don't really know how to route the railroads whilst traversing the terrain

[boreal musk]

i build my coal plant based on maxed mk4 belts, so i dont need to build another coal plants, its just a matter of upgrading the belt

[dense violet]

You're going to need a ton of generators no matter what. 48 to 64 coal gens is pretty common before tier 7

[sinful carbon]

already have 48

[smoky forge]

excuse me? coal?

i survived with like 20

[dense violet]

Yeah? that easily gets you to tier 7

oof. Tiny

[smoky forge]

and then i had 40 fuel

and then 700

[sinful carbon]

my max consumption is already there

[smoky forge]

get into petroleum power asap

[sinful carbon]

might be because i just have a lot of random shit built

[smoky forge]

take like 2 oil nodes and make power

should be like 30k? idk

[vast ember]

Hey all, This is a quickie so I'm not asking in #1038092680493801533 .
If my dimensional depot is upgraded to depot expansion 200% and my limit says 400 -- am I limited for only 400 items, or 400 of each item?

[sinful carbon]

40 according to someone above

[hard ivy]

30 GW of DPF is 900 oil

[smoky forge]

ye i didnt calculate it

[smoky forge]

ye so one pure and one normal

2 nodes

[sinful carbon]

man its gonna be torture to find enough crash sites for those 2 alternates

[smoky forge]

not that hard if u have it on ur object scanner

[sinful carbon]

i dont

[smoky forge]

in the MAM

[empty hemlock]

am I missing something? I've got 3 oil nodes and can only power 6 250% oil gens for about 3800MW odd

[smoky forge]

under quarz

[sinful carbon]

but 100 oscillators

[slender quest]

Handcraft!

[smoky forge]

heavy oil residue -> diluted fuel

[obsidian bluff]

argh im 95% done with the rail network and i can see the connection point but then i run out of concreteeeee

[smoky forge]

its worth it trust me

[sinful carbon]

actually you know what

ill build 2 manufacturers and just dump the items in there

fully overclock them

[hard ivy]

nah, handfeed a slooped manufacturer

[smoky forge]

you already have manufacturers but no 100 osciliators?

[sinful carbon]

yes lol

[smoky forge]

dam reminds me of me

[sinful carbon]

handcrafting oscillators is so annoying

[slender quest]

Got mine from crash sites

[smoky forge]

i only got into caterium and sulfur in mid game

[vague sparrow]

In my last save I didn't build oscillators untill i hit like tier 8 lol

just handcrafted some for research

[hard ivy]

don't handcraft anything past like tier 2. slooped handfed machines all the way

[obsidian bluff]

same im at tier 8 and no oscilator automation bc i find all the ones i need at crash sites so far lol

[vague sparrow]

Yeah that's what I've learned

[vague sparrow]

You' ll need them at some point for recipes tho, there's some good alt recipes that require them

[fiery pewter]

Don't know if someone already answered, but 400 of each item, yes. The Dimensional Depot wouldn't have been that popular if it only was for 1 item

[obsidian bluff]

yeah when i make RCU's i will make them

[sinful carbon]

i have a slight feeling slooping the manufacturers is gonna fry my powergrid

[fiery pewter]

Only one way to find out

[obsidian bluff]

but first i miust do the dreaded aluminum production

[vague sparrow]

its only like 5-800MW

[hard ivy]

normal consumption = 55 MW
max oc 3.36x
max sloops 4x
both = 13.43x = 740 MW

[vague sparrow]

depending on how much overclocking

[dense violet]

hence 64

[vague sparrow]

Just realised you have the original hellsing avatar pic, great show

[fiery pewter]

My oil power plant is just a random floating slab above the BCL lolz

[earnest ingot]

i created something awful

[fiery pewter]

Show it

Pls?

[elder valley]

is crater lake a good place for a base

[earnest ingot]

i posted it

in screenshots

[fiery pewter]

Alot of oil, some pure resource nodes, nitrogen, I'd say yea

[shy mulch]

Ugh why do I do this to myself. Currently making 5 BWD per min and decided that's not enough and since I have the infrastructure in place it shouldn't be too hard to double it. But there isn't enough resources in the areas that I've tapped, so I'm going to have to go back to basics and build out a ton more stuff to make this happen.
First task is my dark matter crystals, I need to increase my production by 100 per minute without increasing my coal consumption, probably going to go the turbofuel alt route

[elder valley]

im early game btw

[fiery pewter]

That is awful lol

[earnest ingot]

why do you think i hate it

it gets worse hold on

[elder valley]

should i prioritise space elevator lvl 2 or work on tier 4

[fiery pewter]

How early game, because there are also a lot Alpha and Elite enemies

[elder valley]

i bought the game 2 days ago and i finished the first space elevator and the first 3 tiers

[shy mulch]

good progress, keep it up 🙂

[elder valley]

ive been procrastinating moving my base for a while but ig its an inevitability

[earnest ingot]

go back to screenshots

[fiery pewter]

Definitly tier 4, space elevator can be done easily with temp setups, but you'll need the more advanced steel stuff for oil power and better belts

[shy mulch]

talk to me about procrastination, it's literally my name

[elder valley]

thx

[elder valley]

i was gonna add that to my name but i am procrastinating that as well

[shy mulch]

took me weeks to get around to it

[fiery pewter]

You're even more superior than me at procrastinating

[fiery pewter]

That's even worse 😭

[earnest ingot]

i know 😭

[shy mulch]

I started playing this game when 1.0 was released, my friend started playing it when I was at phase 4, and we completed phase 5 on the same day. And I was playing more hours per day than him too. I just spent most of my time chopping down trees for no good reason other than I found it fun

[pure robin]

anyone know why my refinery is just like, stuck on idle

[fiery pewter]

You remind me of someone

[shy mulch]

usually blocked output

[earnest ingot]

i might stream this tbh

[hard ivy]

full of a byproduct probably

[earnest ingot]

oh

[elder valley]

were you playing in the same server?

[fiery pewter]

Does it have power, and are the inputs fed enough and is there no blockage

[earnest ingot]

there isnt a vc

[shy mulch]

no both playing solo

[mortal ginkgo]

most refineries have 2 output recipes, both outputs need to be cleaned out

[elder valley]

have you ever tried playing in servers or smth? like ur friend joining u in the world

[pure robin]

oh maybe my oil residue line is filled i didnt check 💀 first time doing anything with pipes other than coal generators so didnt think about checking, thanks

[shy mulch]

nah we have very different playing styles and would just annoy each other, better to just both play it solo and compare notes after 🙂

[fiery pewter]

Wait, your friend raced to phase 4, in less time than you💀

[earnest ingot]

can you find it in your heart to forgive

[elder valley]

wai how do you unlock jetpack

[fiery pewter]

Phase 3, tier 5

[shy mulch]

!wikisearch jetpack

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[hard ivy]

tier 5

[elder valley]

whoopsie thanks

forgot about google

[fiery pewter]

Easily, I have a friend whom I play with regularly that is just fine with using temp setups till the end

[elder valley]

not that bad then im somewhat closeby

[shy mulch]

google will often take you to the fandom wiki which is AWFUL and out of date. Always use the gg wiki

[elder valley]

ok

[hard ivy]

make sure you use liquid biofuel when you do get it

[earnest ingot]

to be fair im in like phase 2 for this modded run everything else is much better organized i just dont feel like moving the storage box 5 ft forward

[fiery pewter]

Imo, phase 3 is just that time in the game where the devs probably were like: here, just have alot of good stuff, don't come complaining

[fiery pewter]

Lmaooo

[elder valley]

bruh what

i need biofuel?

[fiery pewter]

But then liquid

[elder valley]

i never wanted to mine down trees again 😭

[fiery pewter]

Lasts very long tho in jetpack

[hard ivy]

not much. and you can use alien remains

with sloops, you get like 500 per

[south sinew]

Jetpack can consume just about any fuel, although more advanced fuels perform better

[fiery pewter]

Other option is Ionized fuel, but that is late-end game

[elder valley]

i wanna make a good fuel factory sometime

[south sinew]

packaged turbofuel should be available to you in Tier 5

[hard ivy]

it's meh tho

[mortal ginkgo]

you can get tons of biofuel from doing animal corpses to biomass, especially if slooped.

then you can make liquid biofuel which lasts TRULY long

[fiery pewter]

Packaged diluted fuel, basically the diluted fuel recipe in the blender, but then in refeneries and packaged

[elder valley]

i thought i needed ot save them for dna capsules

what do they even do

[elder valley]

im not that far into the game yet 😭

[south sinew]

DNA capsules is a better use of it than jetpack fuel

[fiery pewter]

Spitters are the most profitable in terms of protein right?

[south sinew]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Jetpack lists the fuels and their performance

[hard ivy]

don't nuke hogs drop like 7?

[elder valley]

what do the capsules do

[earnest ingot]

if u wanna see what i was making go check screenshots

[fiery pewter]

In terms of the unlock UI, right next to the jetpack

[elder valley]

is it just research

[fiery pewter]

Idk, they kill me before I kill them

[mortal ginkgo]

dna capsules are for sink points only, you can just farm a few smol low lvl aliens and massive amount of biofuel from them

[south sinew]

there's a bit of research but you'd more often use them for coupons to buy stuff from the shop

[mortal ginkgo]

you could say that yeah

[fiery pewter]

Unlock and some alternate recipes

[elder valley]

yeah i asw this in an youtube video and got interested

[elder valley]

ohhhh

aliens???

[fiery pewter]

I know those things, are from refined power from modular power or something

[mortal ginkgo]

the monsters around that is

[earnest ingot]

refined power

[hard ivy]

hatchers are probably easiest. only 1 remains, but if you sneak they don't attack you at all

[elder valley]

oh i thought there were more monsters

[limpid cairn]

how good is ionized fuel?

[kind burrow]

hey guys i stated playing a while ago and i already have some factories, i was wondering, for early power is it better to use one biomass burner for only one factory or should i have more than one for different sections?

[fiery pewter]

Messed around with that mod aswell

[mortal ginkgo]

there are more variants to them.. that you probably wont like :3

[fiery pewter]

Like liquid biofuel and rocketfuel combined iirc

[hard ivy]

for jetpack? second fastest and lasts longest. for power? absolutely awful

[elder valley]

wdym

[limpid cairn]

power

[mortal ginkgo]

larger, harder to kill etc

[elder valley]

whats the best of both worlds

[earnest ingot]

ngl the fact i can straight up double my coal power output with the same setup with extra buildings is nuts

[south sinew]

it's garbage for power production

[earnest ingot]

one coal gen for this mod puts out 150 mw

[elder valley]

like the giant creepy cats?

[south sinew]

stick to rocket fuel or nuclear

[hard ivy]

ionized fuel is the absolute worst source of power in the entire game

[limpid cairn]

okay

[mortal ginkgo]

well, cats are not creepy but hey

[blazing bane]

I just buy ionized packaged fuel from the awesome store for the jetpack

It seemed like ass as an actual power source

[elder valley]

just think about a giant spider hiding behind that png your goggles overlayed

[fiery pewter]

Basic Hog, Alpha Hog, Elite Hog variant 1, Elite Hog variant 2
Basic Spitter, Alpha Spitter (each of the three colors has a different atrack type)
Basic Stinger, Alpha Stinger, Elite Stinger
Basic Hatcher, Alpha Hatcher

[elder valley]

oh i did not know there were different varients

[fiery pewter]

Yeah, its great for early game coal

[elder valley]

how do you know theyre different

do they have diff colors or smth

for hatchers and hogs

[fiery pewter]

Different colors, different sizes

[shy mulch]

rocket fuel is good as a power source, make a big rocket fuel facility and just take a small amount off to one side to refine into ionized to use in jetpack and drones

[elder valley]

ok thx

[fiery pewter]

The Elite hogs, one is like the Alpha, but more sleek, and the other is the same, but green, and radioactive

The Alpha and Elite Stingers constantly Jump you

[elder valley]

wtf

[pure robin]

would anyone know why the pipe i sent in #screenshots isnt outputting anything? like the last pipe connected to the packer has 0 flow, the one before the junction does have flow, i've tried replacing them like 3 times, do i really need a pump for such low elevation?

[elder valley]

too complicated, do they give more drops?

[blazing bane]

Didnt even bother, just made a huge rocket fuel factory using alt recipes, siphoned off a small amount for packaged rocket. Once i unlocked ionized i bought from the awesome store since i have so many extra tickets with not much to spend on

[elder valley]

alright ill just stick to killing whatever i see

[fiery pewter]

Headlift?

[cedar portal]

Ionized is great for deones, makes theem go fast

[fiery pewter]

The big stingers can, and will, 2 hit you

[pure robin]

it's like 4 meters tall though

[blazing bane]

I have a big battery factory so
Im set

[fiery pewter]

Still, headlift, does the pipe come straight from an extractor of from a fluid buffer

[elder valley]

so what do i do 😭

[pure robin]

straight from extractor

[elder valley]

i have keep inventory so it would just be annoying

[hard ivy]

ranged weapons

[elder valley]

like the nobelisks

lets game it out style

[reef basin]

better to ask in #1038092680493801533 , so that you don't need to switch channels

[cedar portal]

I swwitched from batteries to ionized and got a nice boost for long range done throughput. But not for everyone.

[blazing bane]

Makes sense. I think my throughput requirements arent particularly high so batteries are working for me. Can always re-assess if that changes and keep ionized in mind

[cedar portal]

Diddn't NEED it but at this point I need new stuff to do to keep me busy 🙂

[livid kernel]

try replacing the junction too.

[dense violet]

you can also feed them plutonium rods for the speed boost 😄

[blazing bane]

Gottagofastnyooooom

[cedar portal]

All the drone ports in my nuclear production site use plutonium rods for fuel. But I diddn't want to have dozens of radiavtive drone ports all over the map, or I'd have used them. Makes me a bit sad I can't but hey, ionized is just as fast so that works

[dense violet]

eh, radiation is nothing. Filters can be put in the depot

[cedar portal]

it is until i afk next to one and am dead when I come back. I havee filters automated into the depot and have an infinite supply but still bothers me to have radation zones all over

[unkempt blade]

you just need to go to the awesome shop and buy some some foundation patterns and mark off a huge caution area so you don't forget

then fill the caution area with factory carts going in a loop to make it extra obvious

[dusty jasper]

Hi i have a problem, I wanna paint my concrete walls super white, but I cant

I put the brightness to 10 and my concrete foundations become super white but the concrete walls stay dull

[cedar portal]

Doing that to my 15 fuel deopt stations could take a while but I'll keep it in mind

[dense violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipg3CIRP7Ns

[dusty jasper]

thats not really an answer to my problem

[ivory condor]

Yeah I just tried myself, it didn't work

But why it works for foundations, this is so disappointing

[shy mulch]

use foundations as walls?

[ivory condor]

Not really feasible

[shy mulch]

🙁

[coarse sphinx]

hello, my conveyor lifts instead of going up, visually they go down, anyone knows how to fix?

[dense violet]

it's a 'how to' video?

[ivory condor]

but heres the thing about that video, what it shows doesn't work ingame actually.....

so that how to video, really isn't a actual solution....

[dense violet]

... it's worked for me? are you sure you're inputing it into the right field?

[dusty jasper]

I literally know how to up the brightness of things above 1

[ivory condor]

Yep, because I can make pure white foundations, so I know how its supposed to work

[dusty jasper]

but it doesnt work for concrete walls

[ivory condor]

I have always done it exactly how it shows in that video but it doesn't work for concrete walls

[ivory condor]

Yep I just realized it myself, hence my disappointment....

[dense violet]

oh walls. yeah you can't

use foundations as walls

[ivory condor]

Very disappointed.....

I just tried the other wall types, it doesn't work for those either.....

[dense violet]

foundations as walls are great for other reasons too, just use them

[shy mulch]

I've noticed large flat walls can be quite buggy too. Sometimes at certain angles they just go invisible and I can see straight through. I've taken to only using them when really needed for space constraints

[ivory condor]

You do realize that isn't the same and they are way thicker right.....

There is alot of reasons I don't use foundations as walls, snapping with them is different, etc

[undone kestrel]

I almost exclusively use foundations as walls lol

They look much nicer

[dusty jasper]

do you use full foundations or halfs

[undone kestrel]

A mix, depends what I need

[dusty jasper]

I can tactually check how halfs work only at tier 3 and starting the game

[atomic notch]

Walls. 🤢

[dusty jasper]

okay i'll do it next time with halfs or something

[dense violet]

sure? they give you lots of different options too. Great for design

[dusty jasper]

but would be nice aswell if devs changed the wall colours to be the same for foundations :>

[ivory condor]

Sure depends what your going for, just wouldn't be what i would do for most of what I do, also the side of the foundations have way different texture, etc than the walls to, so thicker, doesn't look the same overall, etc.

[upbeat charm]

One of my lizard doggo went missing 🙁

[ivory condor]

Oh well not much one can do, sure wish it would work the same as it does for foundations but for whatever reason it doesn't

[mortal ginkgo]

if its ultra painful for you, you can put him back in SCIM by loading your save into the website and change its coordinates.

If its not around even if you made some walls for the guy, he fell through the floor

if he was free to roam around, they can really go far away

[willow glen]

glad I’m not the only one with digging doggos

[unkempt blade]

I started building a pen for them when I do my first tame. I haven't had any disappear in like 2 saves now

[mortal ginkgo]

didnt happen to me at all when I put a foundation beneath but ı wouldn't count on it

some people reported that it still didnt work but it works for me

[willow glen]

They both were on the second story! That’s multiple layers of foundations! And ya SCIM shows they haven’t moved, they’re at 40m, ground is at 160m, no caves nearby

[mortal ginkgo]

Deepest lore, maddening reality, unfathomable fears, and doggos.

It all comes together to one thing: This game's code is wack.

[willow glen]

Giving me real goat simulator vibes

[unkempt blade]

I agree, it truly is an amazing game

[upbeat charm]

I have build a pen for them but somehow they manage to escape before I quit yesterday

when I come back today he was gone

Safe travel, Benny

Wherever you are

[unkempt blade]

I'm good at building rainbows if you need advice on building a rainbow bridge for him #screenshots message

then he can ascend into factory heaven with all the other lizard doggos

[frail sleet]

all of the doggos in my world just fell through the floor and got stuck

like: literally all of them

i only saw them in the early game, then they're stuck under the ground and not respawning

[willow glen]

ones you havent tamed should still spawn as intended at least?
but thats unfortunate all your tamed ones decided to start a 2nd doggo cave without letting you know

[frail sleet]

nope

i didn't tame most of em

[hard oasis]

is there a way to set overclocking on satisfactory tools website?

[hard ivy]

no

[dense violet]

it's already there.
if it says 5.4 machines that's 540% clocking spread however you like

[unkempt blade]

ok I'll extend my offer for rainbow bridge consulting to all of you other fine people with lizard doggo problems

[hard oasis]

so how will i overclock 15 machines?

[dense violet]

spread 1500% clocking however you like

[hard ivy]

15/2.5?

[dense violet]

want to set it to 250%? 1500/250

[unkempt blade]

with between 15 and 45 shards I suppose

[hard oasis]

so then id only need 6 of them?

[dense violet]

seems so

just add up the clocking

[hard oasis]

6 Refinerys is a lot nicer then 15

[dense violet]

this is the sort of math to get used to. You very quickly benefit from clocking specific machines to settings to put the right number of parts per min on a belt or pipe to different sections of factories

[hybrid sierra]

I like making factories look nice more than I like doing the actual math. Im 90 hours into my play through and I still haven't automated motors

[hard oasis]

thanks

[willow glen]

overclock all the things! Make sure you overbuild power too. If you want all your machines evenly clocked: Use the in-game calculator to divide SfTool’s result by 2.5. Then round up and divide again. For example, 12/2.5 =4.8. So that’s 5 machines. Now do 12/5 =2.4, that’s a clock rate of 240% on 5 machines.

[slate python]

I understood none of that lol 😂

[hard ivy]

🤷‍♂️ I leave everything at 100 or 250%

works fine

[willow glen]

Images help a bit so you can see where the numbers I used for my example come from, but no images here so o well.

[slate python]

What is the best energy situation

My energy is bad

[dense violet]

... in what way? at what point in the game?

[hard ivy]

production > 1.2*max consumption is ideal I'd say

[slate python]

Beginning

[unkempt blade]

when your consumption line is over your production line

[dense violet]

have you unlocked coal power yet?

[slate python]

Like 2.5 hours in

[willow glen]

get to coal asap or build more biomass burners

[slate python]

No biofuel

[dense violet]

oh you have to use bio burners.
make solid bio fuel

[slate python]

Ok

[dense violet]

you're in the pre tutorial. You'll unlock coal power after phase 1

[slate python]

Ok

I have only unlocked phase 0 and have obstical clearing done

[dense violet]

sprint while holding E to auto punch bushes, get like... 10,000 leaves and turn them all to solid bio fuel. That 'll get you to coal power

takes like 8 minutes

[slate python]

Can you automate biofuel

[hard ivy]

pretty sure the ones in the hub are just slower

[slate python]

Ya they are

[hard ivy]

you can automate turning leaves and wood into it. but you can't automate collecting leaves and wood

[dense violet]

put the leaves in a container and process it in a constructor

[hard ivy]

and make less power

pretty sure the efficiency is exactly the same

[slate python]

Ok

[slate python]

Ok

[split pewter]

next person to send a message is forced to play satisfactory without automation

[hard ivy]

they make 20 MW

[split pewter]

YES

[sleek delta]

hello everyone i'm looking for a good factory game

[split pewter]

...

[slate python]

I was doing that but was wondering if you could automate it

[split pewter]

does he know?

[slate python]

Na

[split pewter]

cant automate leaves/wood

you can automate the process but not the gathering

[slate python]

No not good game try a different one

lol

[split pewter]

Lifetime ban.

[slate python]

Wat

Nnnnnoooooooo

Wait it was a joke

[split pewter]

yes

[slate python]

Shake sjabejsjw ehajabehaka a

[split pewter]

why would it be serious 😭

[slate python]

🤨

[split pewter]

Live, laugh, consume.

[hollow hazel]

🎵 In the Rainbow Factory 🎵
🎵 Where all your fears and horrors come true 🎵

[unkempt blade]

you have a beautiful singing voice

[sage viper]

is there a way to check where i produce one component on interactive map ? i totaly forgot where i make rubber and plastic

[rigid glen]

I think you can see all your buildings and their products when you upload your savefile

[hollow hazel]

The LGIO way: Open each and every machine until you find what you're looking for. Or hover over conveyor belts.
Alternatively place a nice Big Billboard on all sides of your building. 😉

[sage viper]

okay found it

[cunning finch]

guys any solution for the de-sync issue on dedicated server yet ?

[limpid cairn]

its mostlikely server side

this might not be related but on ark we always got desynced when the server was too slow / did some scuffy shit

idk if you could apply that on satisfactory tho

[cunning finch]

its applied 2 months ago

i though they found a solution or something

now am on vpn its working for now

[limpid cairn]

are you running through a server or someone elses pc?

[cunning finch]

a server

[limpid cairn]

oh

well i assume its a package loss or something then

[cunning finch]

idk tbh its annoting hope they fix this soon

[limpid cairn]

idk desync is as i said a server side / client site issue

they cant really fix it

[marble fractal]

Is mk5 conveyer belts or drone transport better?

[slate python]

Are you a 45 year old man

[cunning finch]

they are trying they are saying there is a new syncing things that may cuz the problem

[reef basin]

depends on situation (and what you call "better")

[rigid glen]

O.o

[slate python]

Drones are better long range covayors are more within your Rinder distance

Conveyors would be better for you to get from iron 120m away that iron 1,000m away I think

[split pewter]

fyi : conveyor highways are consistent

[slate python]

Maybe 10,000

[reef basin]

personally I wouldn't call drones "long range"

[slate python]

Eh I have not got to that part of the game yet so I am going off of 100 days satisfactory vids

lol

[reef basin]

most of the videos are very much misleading

[slate python]

Ya

[reef basin]

because youtubers build for content, not for functionality

[slate python]

Ah ok

I am sorry… but is your profile pic 2 grapes and an orange 🤣

[tender raft]

i mean one of the best parts of drones is that they scale better and better with further distances so why not call them long range?

techniaclly the range of all logistics solutions is infinite but im confused by that

[marble fractal]

I made a 10 minute conversation 😊

[unkempt blade]

it's not that complicated, the longer your route is the more factory carts you should add especially since they don't require fuel

using a different vehicle? that's crazy talk! just use factory carts

[slate python]

Would the crafter in The hub stop working if you craft for too long

[rigid glen]

No, it stays red but never blows up

[slate python]

Ok

[limpid cairn]

for transporting 500 stacks stuff most likely

[slate python]

What kind of coke

[reef basin]

because long range with any reasonable throughput needs multiple drones if not drone ports

[marble fractal]

Drones have a limited range?

[hard ivy]

however far they can fly on one stack of fuel

[slate python]

Can you actually make whi## stuff

I was pretty sure it was a joke but if it is I want it

[hard ivy]

we have inhalers...

[slate python]

What potrolium stuff

[slate python]

How do you make one 😀

[hard ivy]

there are multiple recipes, all unlocked in the MAM

[slate python]

What!! I am a big boy thank you!! Not a woman!

Oh that’s a factory thingy

1 sec let me unlock that

Alright now where are the inhalers

Ah yes I would like 10 of them

[still glen]

Copper Rotor
OR
Fused wire

or ofc rescan

[slate python]

Wat

[still glen]

sorry i scanned a hard drive and idk what to choose

[hard ivy]

don't take either until you're about to use it

[hollow hazel]

Well, everyone's gonna advice against a rescan.

[slate python]

deep inhale ah DRU##

[hollow hazel]

But then you'll get the same options later down the road.

[still glen]

wet concrete or compact steel ingot :/

ig concrete lmao

[steady glade]

wet

[reef basin]

whichever you want more

there's no "good" or "bad" classificiation of recipes

pick whatever you like