satisfactory

[winged parcel]

Yeah if you want to automate Space Elevator parts and other things, maybe even a bit more of certain items, but in general, yes. Just take a look with the planner to see if youll be able to supply all future factories like the Space Elevator and so on

[nimble viper]

.

[coarse epoch]

damn, my extremely mid world is starting to crash within seconds from uobject overflow :/ I have no idea what's causing it all of a sudden

I guess I have to expand my uobject limit?

[proper hound]

Are mods involved?

[last valve]

Do you use any mods to make the machines work better?

[white dawn]

As with others, I'd suspect mods if any are involved. Or possibly if you go real heavy on decoration objects. But regardless, there seems to be little problems with raising the limit, so if you've gotta do it, I wouldn't worry about it too much

[last valve]

I'm still on tier 3 and 4 and you're somewhere very far away

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that "UObjects" doesn't necessarily mean just in-game objects. UI elements and such also consume UObjects, for instance. (And there's also not a 1:1 relation between in-game objects and UObjects; production buildings likely consume multiple UObjects, etc)

[proper hound]

Opening inventory can skyrocket the UObject count, especially if you added extra slots via save editing.
If using mods, try to start without them and see if game loads.
If not using mods, raise the UObject count and try launching but I recommend getting an UObject counter (a mod) to see what is happening.

[cosmic laurel]

well largest factory ive built to date is done, ffor a whole 6 heavy frames a min

[sterile blade]

That's Satisfactory Modeler

[bold valley]

Can I input coal as storage to transport AND using as fuel into a truck station with a belt?

[white dawn]

Yep, just put a splitter in the back of the station and have one output go into the fuel hopper, and the other to the cargo inputs

[bold valley]

Thanks. That makes things alot easier

[white dawn]

The fuel hopper will fill up quickly and once it does, the cargo area will be getting nearly the entire throughput of the source coal

Yeah, coal is a great sort-of cheat code for easy vehicle logistics whenever there's coal involved or nearby

[sterile blade]

Truck stations have different input slots for cargo and fuel

Ops, my chat didn't update

[coarse epoch]

I tried to up it just now, but I crashed again quickly. I suspect it's the BaseEngine override, but I want to make sure, so is there a way to check in game via the console what the limit is set to? Just to verify the config I expect as a first debugging step

[white dawn]

I'll have to let other people speak to that; I've never messed with it myself so I'm not sure

[coarse epoch]

got it

fwiw I do use mods, but almost exclusively QOL mods like infinite nudge. The only content mod I used is Factory Props, and I've only placed 10s of decorations from it, like maybe 50 total, otherwise it's all vanilla objects. I do decorate kinda hard, but it's no where near the magnitude of big saves you see showcased a lot online

I also do everything I can not to open menus, to avoid that particular leak

also worth mentioning that I'm a newish area of the map where I'm working on a build that has almost no machines yet, just a bunch of foundations. Maybe like 5 machines are in proximity to me

so it's very strange that it should be happening now

[sterile blade]

You might get quicker and more in-depth answers on this topic in the Modding server

[quasi pagoda]

quick questions, is there a fast way to rotate mergers/splitters without having to rebuild them?

[blazing bane]

Negative. Have to delete and replace

[quasi pagoda]

alright, thanks mate

[sterile blade]

Not in Vanilla

[vague sparrow]

hmm, somehow each of these floors I place, will not line up correctly by like 2mm if I place them on above, I have to somehown align it from the bottom floor to get it completely flat lol

then nudge it 50x up to get it in place xD

[cinder jay]

this is my first time going to make a factory for the Adaptive Control Unit. anything i should know or tips n tricks before i start working on the factory for it?

[vague sparrow]

infinite nudge is in the base game though

[sterile blade]

Did you misilign the floors? O.o

[vague sparrow]

I didnt, making the blueprint it was jsut hiovering like halfway in the air

it aligns alright when I start from the ground floor for some reason

yeah idk kinda weird

even half nudge doesn't work, it's a tiny amount, but noticable 🙁

I have to wait for quarts and plates to reupload anyway so i work on pipes while that gets restocked lmao

[vague sparrow]

#screenshots message here look

This does not happen when I align it from ground floor, I also built up " scaffolding foundation" upwards from that same ground floor

it's like a compact package with double glass foundation and beams and everything, maybe somethings just messing with ith

[sterile blade]

That seems like the only plausible explanation

[vague sparrow]

#screenshots message

from the ground up it fits like a glove

So now I just nudge 8 floors up 😂 🥳

[gritty sleet]

Maybe my save has gotten too big, but loading it in Satisfactory Calculator's map seems to lag out my whole browser these days 😅 Anyone else have this issue?

[vague sparrow]

sometimes nudging forward moves it diagonally, I've no idea, maybe I am breaking the gme lol

Only 18 more placements, then pipe connections and should be good for 100gw

Then some outside decoration and some lighting

Can you put a switch before the generators so they don't turn on when receiving fuel and a power line?

Or is that just automatically

[unkempt blade]

and gratuitous factory carts to liven things up, don't forget those

[vague sparrow]

I will use factory cart to drive from 1 elevator to the other, because 1 is not high enough

xD

[unkempt blade]

excellent idea!

[elfin trellis]

how do u create soft angles? like im doing a train path and its either top or down or left right
no "top-left" round, if u know what im trying to say

[noble sand]

My factory has too much spaghetti to drive a cart in

[split pewter]

build foundations over it all (which breaks my heart)

[unkempt blade]

think they would still run with fuel but the power would only be available on the gen side of the power network

[split pewter]

username is true

[noble sand]

I have

[split pewter]

so you should be able to drive

[vague sparrow]

Yeah, I was hoping I could turn all 155 on at once and see the power spike

[noble sand]

Well I made one layer of factory

Added foundation

[unkempt blade]

is there a pump that would be necessary for fuel to reach them? you could turn something like that off

[noble sand]

Then made another layer

My factory is gonna be like a sort of

Spaghetti cake

Why isn't spaghetti more common

[winged parcel]

Do you think the Rocket Fuel Recipe might get nerfed? Im currently producing 3600 /minute and generating around 215.000 mw. And the production is super easy and the factory is really compact. If I tried to produce the same amount of power with nuclear, Id probably need 4-5 times the space and way more resources. So at this point, it doesnt really seem worth it to go nuclear unless you really need that much power. Of course, its still cool to have both setups, but Rocket Fuel does seem pretty overpowered right now. Maybe in the future theyll also increase the power output per nuclear power plant from the current 250 MW per minute idk

[vague sparrow]

shhh don't give them ideas

I think rocket fuel is great for overall use and Nuclear is for when you want an extra challenge perhaps

[noble sand]

I'm still at coal

Mmmm dirty coal power

[vague sparrow]

Because you can finish the game on 50-60gw, after that you' ll have to create your own challenge

If you builkd a ton of batteries and charge them beforehand you could probably get away with 30gw

[vague sparrow]

How are you getting 215mw out of 3600/min? I am building 2200p/m rn and I'm gonna get around 100gw fully overclocked generators

215gw*

[last valve]

how you guys have 7k hours in the game?

or 1k

[cosmic laurel]

i have a 2 story refinery, right before the junction that splits the oil to go up the flow is holding steady bettern 570-600 flow a min however after the vertical fluctuates wildly going anywhere from 100 to max while the one on level goes from 300-600. this is causing some of the reinfiniers up top to not always be running and idk why. the numbers line up and its been long enough to balance

[vague sparrow]

Press start game and get lost in construction

[stray loom]

Your math is off somewhere. 2200/min rocket fuel gets you 132GW by my numbers

[vague sparrow]

hmmm

they burn 14.12 fuel p/m 2200/14.2 is 155 generators at 675gw ea

I might recalculate

[stray loom]

240% OC consumes 10/min and makes 600MW. 2200/min would run 220 generators making 600MW each

[vague sparrow]

so 240% oc would be more efficient for more power?

[stray loom]

It just simplifies the construction by making the consumption a simple round number to work with

[vague sparrow]

I see

Yeah i need like 155.3 generators or something at 250%

[stray loom]

Easier to work with 10/min than 10.42667/min or w/e for that last 10%

Still 3 shards either way

[vague sparrow]

yeah shards are no issue

[green fiber]

need some more info.
like you have 2 refinery floors and both are supplied by a single pipe that splits to floor 1 and then goes up to floor 2?

[vague sparrow]

yeah 133GW hmm

Problem is I would need to build.... 8 more floors of generators

[cosmic laurel]

i didnt figure out why the problem was occuring, but i put a valve on the first floor to cap it at 300 and that seemed to fix it.
but yeah i had 10 refinires first floor, 10 second. the first floor were all doing fine but the last 3 on the second were at 50% uptime

[vague sparrow]

no wait another 12

[green fiber]

yea if both floors use less than or at most 300/min oil just use a mk 1 pipe after you split the mk 2

you dont want to use mk 2 pipes if you dont need more than 300/min flow

it just leads to fluctuations

[twilit escarp]

Guys i need to remake my factories, and i got an idea: what if i put a train station nearby every resources, and then i just make the factories arround the map in wtv location i want, where trains bring the raw resources to the factories, from anywhere on the map. Is that a good idea? or very terrible use of trains? (context i got to aluminium and trying to find a solution to that)

[green fiber]

in general, its prefered to use local resources first before you bring stuff in from halfway across the map

[twilit escarp]

like having factories arround the map that are: + 50 iron mineral, - 40 iron mineral, + 10 modular frames, etc...

[noble sand]

Just run a massive conveyer belt

[vague sparrow]

Honestly I' m not sure adding 15 extra floors to my tower will keep me below the damage theshold xD

[stray loom]

Build another tower

[twilit escarp]

Yeah, massive belt across huge distances...

[noble sand]

Yeah

[twilit escarp]

the pain that is to expand...

have you ever heard of trains?

just a simple station from A to B helps with that

[noble sand]

Well then that's just a train track instead of a belt

[twilit escarp]

way easier to expand than just a big belt line

[stray loom]

Belt is a single purpose fixed direction non-expandable solution that works for short distances but isn't worth the headache going more than like 200m

[noble sand]

Just make a bunch of belts idk

Belt highway

[stray loom]

Or you could just put down a 2 way train line

[twilit escarp]

and keep digging deeper...

[vague sparrow]

I will figure something out, it's basically +40gw free power

[noble sand]

Haven't gotten trains yet

It's worked so far

[stray loom]

Trucks or tractors then

[twilit escarp]

i am talking about aluminium, so much farther than just trains

have you checked how to make aluminium?

[noble sand]

My tractor is for personal transport

[twilit escarp]

make more tractors

(i personaly hate ground vehicles)

[noble sand]

But that takes biomass

Which I threw out

[twilit escarp]

use fuel

[twilit escarp]

why?

[stray loom]

Coal or packaged fuel

[noble sand]

Coal works in tractors?

Interesting

But I'll stick with the belt highway

It serves me well enough

And it's something to dump my endless plates into

[twilit escarp]

you using t1 belts?

[stray loom]

Ground vehicles can basically use anything that burns and even some other stuff you wouldn't think about like batteries and nuclear fuel rods

[noble sand]

In most cases

[twilit escarp]

💀

[noble sand]

Because that's how much I'm mining

[twilit escarp]

so you just started?

[stray loom]

Basically nothing then

[twilit escarp]

even a t1 miner on a pure node, not even overclocked makes way more than a t1 belt...

[noble sand]

Well yeah

[twilit escarp]

then you losing on material

[noble sand]

But alot of my miners aren't pure

They're normal or impure

And I use T2 on the pure ones

[twilit escarp]

if you use a t1 on a pure node

[vague sparrow]

Ah I' m actually not near the damag elimit vertically, It's about the height of the space elevator lift

[twilit escarp]

i am talking about aluminium, and you giving me a solution for your early early early game...

[noble sand]

Which is just one coal and iron iirc

[sterile blade]

They can even burn color cartridges!
... Oh wait

[winged parcel]

Haha my bad . I meant gw. 215000 mw / 215gw

[split pewter]

imo you can either sink excess resources or just leave them (for conveyors) but for liquids, it gets alot more complex

[winged parcel]

Yeah im lit in love with rocket Fuel

Best invention ever

[stuck oak]

the little direction arrow on train tracks doesnt really matter, does it?

[vague sparrow]

Yeah I mistyped 215mw, meant GW lol

[stuck oak]

since schedules determine which direction the trains go

[vague sparrow]

I'm about to get 138gw from 220 generators 2200fuel p/m

[winged parcel]

Mmm Good old carbon footprint

[vague sparrow]

Might place some extra dpots for faster upload speed for all the quarts and pltes i need

[winged parcel]

Imagine the next update comes with a live co2 tracker showing how much your factory has polluted the planet

[vague sparrow]

I think they said in a QA that they wouldjn't do something like terraforming

Would be cool to see stats tho, but i doubt they' ll change how it will affect the map

Next thing you know you hav ebehemoth biters at your doorstep

xD

flamethrowers running on rocket fuel would be badass, we need a flamethrower in this game

[winged parcel]

Yeah i agree it wouldnt really fit the game. Since theres no actual consequence or threat system like in Factorio (base defense or enemies reacting to pollution) a world changing mechanic like that would feel kind of out of place. It could be a fun stat to track, but not something that actually alters the gameplay

[winged parcel]

Haha thats a great idea

Q&A

[vague sparrow]

there is one post from 5 years ago

[winged parcel]

Just Imagine the fps lags

[vague sparrow]

I might make a new one

Depends on ur GPU I guess

[winged parcel]

Isnt satis more cpu Heavy?

[reef basin]

depends on your CPU and GPU 😄

(and your save)

[vague sparrow]

Turns out there's already like 6 posts about flamethrowers and I didn't find any response if it is going to be considered or something :/

Imagine ionized fuel firing plasma beams lmao

[south elm]

If we talking new weapons then man, railgun

This game literally is made for a railgun but tbf satis is not a game about combat or shooting whatsoever, it's there only for balancing so you don't just own the entire map the moment you spawn in. That being said enemies are still ridiculously easy to cheese

Just an inconvenience really

As ADA herselfs calls everything on this planet

[split pewter]

oh wait

i just noticed

sorting your inventory just clears it all and adds it back

[winged parcel]

A nuclear Ibm missile to wipe out the entire Swamp and Red Forest spiders

[foggy patrol]

Why server restart?

[green fiber]

game needs restarts

no matter if singleplayer or actual server

[oblique venture]

It appears I have reached max uobjects

[south elm]

Swamp is like horror fuel place in this game

So many cool nodes to use but goddamn this biome is SWARMED

[split pewter]

whats the red biome?

[bold valley]

roughly 3h setting up a coal mining area, pathing a truck, building coal burners, fiddle with the pipes just to notice that the power consumption from my bio-burners ended and my whole factory is now powerless...I thought coal burner produce a little more power. Now I have to build 6 more. I think I'm done for today.

[oblique venture]

LIterally

[shy mulch]

it can be rough when a miscalculation throws you out and you need to change your plans, tomorrow is a new day 🙂

[noble sand]

Each coal burner makes 75 mw

[south elm]

Glad swamp is mad ugly anyway and nobody would want to build there anyways, right guys? Right?

[noble sand]

How many bio burners did u have to power it in the first place

[shy mulch]

Teehee

[bold valley]

And with 6 I have build I'm at 450 MW. I need roughly 350MW not counting the jumpstart for the coal burners.

I think I have 18 bio burners, not sure

[noble sand]

You can build a second temporary grid

[south elm]

I know this isn't like survival or rpg or whatever but they could give us some techsuit that reduces damage intake from enemies I mean getting oneshoted by two green spiders jumping on my ass is quite annoying

[shy mulch]

Put bio burners behind your coal miners just to power them and your water extractors, just so you can get the coal plants going, then the coal can power the rest of the grid

[shy mulch]

Go high. Drop nukes.

[south elm]

I was very surprised when I found out that the only thing that goes on the body slot is hazmat suit

[bold valley]

That was my plan, but after I jumpstarted my coal burners, the power was not enough to keep the grid running, which confused me, because I'm pretty sure I dont use more than 450 MW yet.

[south elm]

You sure everything is connected properly? Basic 8 coal plants and 3 extractors makes 600, shouldn't have issues keeping themselves running

[bold valley]

Ah well, I try again tomorrow. Just hope I can get away from bio burners soon, otherwise I get a letter from greenpeace to stop killing all the trees.

[wicked nacelle]

you used to have to pick between different things to go in your one equipment slot. it was disgusting.

[astral knot]

i am a stubborn little fella. i rarely do complete do-overs of my factory and that is why my project parts are running on one (1) assembler for modular frames

[wicked nacelle]

leave your bioburners sitting around -- they only burn as needed (unlike every other power source in the game) so they'll save you if you go over your coal power budget

it's a great "power storage" before you unlock the real ones

[south elm]

I started playing in 1.1 and more i hear about the earlier builds the more glad I'm i waited all those years to tryout the game

[oblique venture]

i started in like update 5 and it was fun seeing it get better as i went on

[bold valley]

It should. I had one powerline going from the factory to the coal burners and I splitted everything between them. One thing I did wrong, as wasistdaz mentioned, I put the bio burners to jumpstart them into my power grid and didn't separate them. So the coal burner didn't had enough time to spool up properly.

[south elm]

Im pretty underwhelmed by the amount of fiscit coupon points I got from heavy modular frames btw I'm making 20 a minute its a rather large building for mere 250k a minute, golden nut will have to wait

[south elm]

Yeah I'd also handfeed all of them a stack of coal so it's safer if you feed the coal via a manifold

If you bothered with splitting the input then it's whatever

[tall plover]

is there any way to put priorities on pipelines?

[austere lichen]

Just make sure it isn't a water problem first with coal generators

[south elm]

Only funky things with valves one you unlock pipelines mk2. There is also some advanced stuff that uses gravity which liquids are affected by

[sinful carbon]

how do people actually find the motivation to keep playing after completing phase 2

[austere lichen]

Coffee

[sinful carbon]

like i just came back after a month and i have 0 idea what to do

[austere lichen]

Lots of coffee

[white dawn]

Yes, sort of, though it's tricky and honestly not worth the bother. It's best to just build pipe systems in ways where you don't need priorities in the first place

[sinful carbon]

if i start connecting the current infrastructure with new factories like computers its just gonna end up in spaghetti

[white dawn]

Like if you've got a system with both "fresh" and "recycled" water (which folks often run into when doing Aluminum for the first time), keep the fresh + recycled on totally separate pipes. Use separate banks of machines, and underclock/overclock so that the numbers match up

[noble sand]

Whats wrong with spaghetti

[sinful carbon]

my brain wont allow it

[south elm]

Generally sandboxes are weird when it comes to motivation and what drives people to put all those hundreds of hours in, some of us just like building better more advanced factories, some just want bigger numbers. It's fun yk

[tall plover]

im combining the input of 3750 from 12 outputs sooo

[white dawn]

If you do want to build pipe system which need priorities, I'd recommend reading through https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf; the "VIP Junction" there is probably the safest bet for making them run smoothly

[noble sand]

My end goal is to make a surplus of everything

[white dawn]

That's easy: don't combine the inputs. Build stuff in "modules" which are individually solid

The more complex your pipe system is, the more prone it's gonna be to breakage, and the harder it's gonna be to debug

Like just have 12 "modules" which are processing 312.5/min each

[tall plover]

im already buidling 360 fuel powered generators and those take up enough space

[austere lichen]

If I have to run lines to different factories I just make a sky bridge for the belts, put some steel beam walls and a roof and presto, less spaghetti

[white dawn]

(and as a bonus, you can build one module first and make sure it works before committing to the other eleven)

[sinful carbon]

i basically die inside when i have to build with metal foundations and they dont align directionally

[noble sand]

And completely defile the landscape in the process with endless mile long conveyer belts and spaghetti

[white dawn]

Seriously, don't try to combine that; it'll be hellish. Have each of those 12 pipes just supply the amount of fuel gens they can support directly

[south elm]

Working large scale with pipes is so tedious it's can look very nice having all of those pipelines connected and all that but placing them sucks, the amount of them you need to get into outputs in thousands sucks, man I hate pipes

[mint jetty]

How modular should a modular factory be? Should I have a singular outpost dedicated to a singular level of item?

[white dawn]

It's a recipe for migraines trying to push all that into the same system. It's possible but Not Doing That™ will save you probably dozens of hours of pipe debugging

[sinful carbon]

thats what im asking myself aswell

[noble sand]

I didn't want to deal with pipes so I put my coal generators below my pumps

In the water

[tall plover]

problem is that im using 12 instead of 10 blenders because im not producing 3750 fuel, but actually 3753 fuel and cant have my system clog up

[mint jetty]

I can't find good videos or anything about it so I thought i'd try my luck here.

[noble sand]

That makes sense right

[tall plover]

and the inputs arent fully even

[austere lichen]

I like to layout my small parts factories on ground level and scale them accordingly with extra floors going up

[noble sand]

Coal generators like halfway underwater

[white dawn]

Regardless: build it in modules. You've got 12 blenders, so have each of those blenders be a totally isolated system

[foggy patrol]

Can someone help me? https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1401278333873950890

[white dawn]

Maybe the processing leading up to those blenders are combined, but once you've got that much fluid, it's really not worth the trouble of combining it all together

[sinful carbon]

you can also try reddit. people there usually like to explain thoroughly when it comes to stuff like that in my experience

[tall plover]

good god thats gonna be 432 fuel generators

[white dawn]

And, again, that's got the superb benefit that you can check that your build system works after you've only built a twelfth of your factory

[mint jetty]

Yeah ill try my luck there too. People don't seem to be very vocal bout this topic here either.

[sinful carbon]

thats the problem of flowing chats

[white dawn]

If you build that one module and there's problems, you can diagnose + debug it much more easily, and then you can build the other eleven already including those fixes

[tall plover]

i dont think i can do much wrong with placing down fuel generators

[white dawn]

You would be surprised. :)

[south elm]

My rule of thumb is that everything basic along with steel parts and motors can be made in one single starter factory made with tier3 and 4 tech and then a single factory for every item that requires manufacturers, like special factory for computers, heavy modular frames, radios etc

But it depends on playstyle

[white dawn]

Anyway, do what you will, but still: keeping each of those 12 outputs totally separate will make your life probably at least an order of magnitude easier compared to trying to combine them all

Your pipes will have a max 600/min flow rate anyway, w/ mk2 pipes, so combining all of it makes very little sense

[obtuse tangle]

Hey guys is there a tool or something better than Satisfactory Calculator to plan builds with? it always seems to upgrade to the highest even when i dont have those available to me yet (also doesn't account for over and under clocking) and most of the time leaves me with pin and paper trying to run the numbers myself.

[mint jetty]

That sounds alright. So what would happen if you needed just a specific low-tier item?

[white dawn]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production is my solver of choice, if I'm using one of the public ones

[noble sand]

Make everything

[white dawn]

Though sftools (along with most other solvers) don't try to give you specifics about belts/miners/splitters/etc

You just get a "logical" overview of the factory as a whole; it's up to you to decide how to implement it

[south elm]

Well yeah just that single factory should cover all of those, iron rods or plates are very easy to make in large quantities so just build whatever you want

[white dawn]

So like you might end up with an arrow showing a resource flow of 800/min or whatever, and you're only on mk3 belts. It'd be up to you to decide how to divide that up, etc.

[dense turtle]

what is the point of 2 line train way and how do i do it

[mint jetty]

That makes sense. Thanks for the input

[obtuse tangle]

ahh i see i will try that out thanks

[south elm]

If you want to build like very big stuff in game I'd invest in a specific factory to create and upload like atleast 600 concrete a minute so that you don't have to worry about not having materials for foundations

Generally the most important item if you want to build big stuff is quartz crystal, silica, steel beam and concrete

[sinful carbon]

no person in history is using 600 concrete a minute

like that would be worst case scenario if your storage buffer went dry

[mortal ginkgo]

I think I got some decoration BPs that can use up to 100 concrete per click, and they are walls so .... yeah...

[south elm]

4x4 foundation blueprint costs 106 concrete, placing one of them per second isn't really hard

[sinful carbon]

you still have a storage buffer tho

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, not to mention all the steel and plates etc. Decorating can be quite expensive.

[sinful carbon]

so 600/min is pointless

[mortal ginkgo]

oh you sweet summer child...

[south elm]

But storage buffer will only give you 240 if you only use a single depot uploader

[sinful carbon]

480 if you use both outputs

[south elm]

It's enough for small scale but if you want a factory that minmaxes like all of a biome copper then 600 isn't even that much

[sinful carbon]

but still even if you only have like 120 concrete/min you still have a full industrial container behind it full of concrete

[obtuse tangle]

one last question are there blueprints to get rid of screws for all manufacturing? about to start building a facility for the Mod Engines and Heavy Mod Frames and would like to work screws out of the whole thing ( they make for annoying math lol) just dont wanna go on a hard drive hunt if i dont need to.

[sinful carbon]

its not like you are using the concrete every single second like a machine

[south elm]

I domt think anybody brings stacks of concrete with them late game

[reef basin]

there are blueprints for practically anything, but "getting rid of screws" is overrated

[sinful carbon]

yea ig

whats the stack limit for alien storage thing

[obtuse tangle]

recipes not blueprints but i think you know what i was saying

[south elm]

5

[sinful carbon]

2500 concrete then

[south elm]

Yeah that doesn't even fill a single floor of foundations not even mentioning decorating

[sinful carbon]

so making 600/min would only really be useful if you build something that uses more than 2500 concrete

[noble sand]

Does the depot store 200 total materials or 200 of each

[sinful carbon]

and build it all at once

[noble sand]

I haven't tested that yet

[south elm]

Idk why you are so hellbend on deeming 600 pointless, it's not even that much it's not like mercer spheres are that scarse

[sinful carbon]

it just seems overkill

[south elm]

Again, scale

[winged walrus]

5 stacks of each resource and item

Get it and test it

[south elm]

I wish depot had tabs

I know you can pin stuff but tabs would be big

[reef basin]

yes there are recipes that make things without screws, but again, no reason to use them mindlessly

[sinful carbon]

do people actually build such massive things in one go without pause

[south elm]

I mean, yeah. Building is like the main feature of the game so if you play for 3 hours then it's quite possible you'll spend 2 of them building continuously, a lot of people that play this game play it a lot. I build hmf factory last two days and 240 of concrete upload was far from enough

And it wasn't even that big

[sinful carbon]

i see

i think im just picky about how i design my factories so i always pause like 10 minutes between each step to rethink it through

[smoky forge]

dont worry, ur not alone (i always feel a litle unproductive so i force mysefle to start again lol )

[sinful carbon]

all that for it to look like dogshit btw

[vague sparrow]

Slowly losing my mind placing these floors, bout 23 more to go and I will have used 220k quarts crystals and 66k reinforced iron plates

[sinful carbon]

lmao

[vague sparrow]

.<

[tardy thistle]

Is Ficsonium power like… “post game” content? I mean it is for one highly complex to set up. But most of all it eats through so many resources. SAM ore and Somersloops are burned away so quickly. It seems a setup that uses all uranium nodes and is not sinking anything doesn’t allow to work towards project assembly (not in any meaningful quantity), imho.

[south elm]

Yeah your number needs also obviously depend on playstyle, I just figure stuff out as I go. I pretty much freestyled whole hmf factory and it turned out clean. I'm short 300 coal a minute for it to work 100% but that will be fixed by mk.3 miners. It's undecorated but I placed it in #screenshots

[south elm]

That was supposed to be a response for that

[vague sparrow]

Probably finish assembly first, then go for ficsonium if you'd want to do that

[tall plover]

its not that expensive once you unlock alternative recipes but it will definitly dig into your aluminum and sulfur

[smoky forge]

if you try to make all 2100 uranium on the map al the way to 22.4 plutonium rods and even to ficsonium, it will not be possible without some sloops here and there because there isnt even enough oil on the map to do 60% of the ficsonium

[sinful carbon]

ngl i think im just gonna do it like you and simply make floating floors before ever thinking about making it prettier

[wicked nacelle]

yes, you cannot turn all the uranium into ficsonium. you have to make choices.

[tall plover]

oil? what

[smoky forge]

yes, oil

[tall plover]

What do you need the oil for

[wicked nacelle]

oil for what?

[tall plover]

plastic and rubber is pretty easy to make enough for ficsonium

[smoky forge]

mainly for plastic i believe, i didnt look into the recepie tree by satisfactory tool that much

[wicked nacelle]

that doesn't seem right.

[tall plover]

yea i just finished plastic and rubber for the entire plutonium process + extra processes

i didnt even tap 2 full oil sources

[south elm]

Yeah making it work before making it pretty is very important to avoid all the headache honestly if you build a nice building first and then try to fit a proper factory inside you'll 99% fall into space issues or that one pillar will just be in a very inconvenient place, making platforms and making it work first is goated since you can always expand and once you're done with the numbers you can just build walls around it without the fear anything will turn out insufferable

[smoky forge]

#screenshots this is the recepie tree it gave me

[tall plover]

oil is definitly not the problem for ficsonium

[smoky forge]

then idk how to use the tool ig 🤣

[wicked nacelle]

it is probably trying to convert things -- how does it take 0 uranium?

[tall plover]

12300 baxuite seems very wrong

[wicked nacelle]

yes

[smoky forge]

thats only from the 224 plutonium waste to ficsonium

[wicked nacelle]

sat tools is bad at doing nuclear stuff. calculator is better

[tall plover]

also it uses much more nitrogen gas than that

[smoky forge]

ive kept the rod recepies seperated

[smoky forge]

ive calculated that before with just my phone calculator and ive come to the same numbers in terms of fuel rods on all steps

[south elm]

Fuel generators gang where are you at
Hating on nuclear power always
Building big no-no boxes on all uranium nodes is where it's at

Me and my boys are hating on radioactivity

[tall plover]

i can relate to this

[smoky forge]

im only ever wanting to try nuclear just now and my first project is the 2100 uranium LOL

[tall plover]

ive burned through 1400 radiation filters in a day

[smoky forge]

before that i did 700 fuel generators

[wicked nacelle]

I’m willing to hate on people that don’t refine their waste but nuclear is fun

[frail sleet]

this is 101.6% of 2100 uranium into ficsonium wasteless with mostly "correct" recipies (the main ones at least).

https://i.imgur.com/G3vVbFr.png

that also has 22 sloops on it for ficsite and SAM, but they're not needed on this alone

[tall plover]

that seems more acurate

[smoky forge]

dam so i realy just can not use the tool lol

[tall plover]

allthough it doesnt take water for reactors into consideration

[mortal ginkgo]

needing 23070/min water is madness...

[frail sleet]

yeah that's another 110k water

[tall plover]

you wish it was only 23k

[mortal ginkgo]

BROTHERMAN

[wicked nacelle]

It’s good for everything except nuclear and also you often have to turn off conversion recipes or just set Sam to 0

[smoky forge]

not considering the extra 120 000 water for the generators lol

[mortal ginkgo]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[smoky forge]

suprisingly i do that lol, i dont like that the tool thinks i wna do converting

[winged walrus]

Dw, the maximum water per minute in the world is more than a billion of billions

[smoky forge]

wait no! only 109 000 for uranium and plutonium rods

[mortal ginkgo]

Ah this makes me feel SO relaxed thank you. I wish I knew that sooner that water is infinite.

[smoky forge]

(no ficsite)

[tall plover]

im calling baloney, theres not enough space for water extractors

[frail sleet]

Yeah, grassy fields has the least water of any biome (much less than all of the deserts, lol)

There are huge oceans.

[dense turtle]

whats the point on having 2 rail lines?

[undone kestrel]

Be careful saying water is infinite, I’d do once and naturally it caused a huge debate about what infinite means 😂

[mortal ginkgo]

The more you know ey

[smoky forge]

anti crash

think of it as like trafic in real life

[tall plover]

my stupidity is infinite

[mortal ginkgo]

You know what, I know the solution. I will just go to swamp and hug some stingers.

[smoky forge]

u dont want ur insurance to flip on u

[frail sleet]

i'm fairly sure you can get into the millions of m3 for water per min but beyond that it's hard to say exactly 😛

and the game will start to break whenever you place a pipe.

[dense turtle]

and its like 2 way?

[smoky forge]

one rail for ever direction

[dense turtle]

yeah

[smoky forge]

usualy 2 yes

[tall plover]

yes but im not sure if you can even reach 10m

[dense turtle]

but how is that better than just having one rail doing a circle with block signal?

[wicked nacelle]

Can you actually make enough power to power all the water extractors you’d need? My money is on maybe.

[frail sleet]

Yeah, you can make 15TW of power which is like 100 million water extractors. It's limited by water area rather than power.

[smoky forge]

and i meant that quite literaly, everything u are going to be doing with trains is gona be nearly exactly the same as a scenario in real life

[wicked nacelle]

And there is a LOT of water to extract. And you’d have to 250% them to max water output

[dense turtle]

okay but its not like im a fucking train engineer

respectfully i dont know anything about trains i rode one 1 time in my life

[undone kestrel]

It’s just easier in the long run when you start having more trains and go further out into the map

[smoky forge]

then just place one rail, one train with 2 locomotives, and you will be fine

[dense turtle]

i didnt mean to be mean but i just dont know how trains work irl

[mortal ginkgo]

I think I would break before the game does.

Or Satisfactory 3 - Revenge of the Spheres would be released.

[narrow cedar]

Is there any way to support railways off the ground without having to build tons of foundations?

[dense turtle]

so u mean like that push pull system?

[smoky forge]

yep

[dense turtle]

but 2 locomotives dont make sense to me when my rails do a circle around map

[wicked nacelle]

So you can power about a quarter million water extractors at 250%

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/UqJp7Ky.jpeg

this is around 130k water (extractors being yellow), just a blip in the oceans

(got imgur jpegging everything to hell, how far it has fallen)

[undone kestrel]

Just build foundations every, say 20 metres and connect your rails on them

[dense turtle]

imma specify, im building a line that goes around all my factories collecting stuff

[smoky forge]

imagine the train wants to go back just 2 stations, it would need to go the whole map around just to get there

[smoky forge]

strongly suggest a 2 rail system for that

[dense turtle]

u mean go back after 2 stations?

[narrow cedar]

aight, thx!

[smoky forge]

no

[dense turtle]

yeah someone already recommened me that and im tryna realise how that works

[smoky forge]

just open a #1038092680493801533 and ill be there to help, ive explained train signals before so im sure i will be able to help you aswell

[dense turtle]

bet

[undone kestrel]

If you have a loop, to get a train to a station “behind” it in the loop it would have to go all the way round. If you have a 2 way rail system it can just move as required

[smoky forge]

yeah that

was to lazy to type lol

man its 0am in the morning cmon

[dense turtle]

i dont understand lmao

[smoky forge]

😭

[dense turtle]

wdym it can just move as required, like switch lanes to go back yeah?

[sinful carbon]

in your case you want the train to just collect everything in a line and then bring it at the end to a factory right?

like to one place?

[dense turtle]

to storage

yeah

[sinful carbon]

then one way rail is fine

[smoky forge]

would need a giant train tho

[sinful carbon]

yea

[wicked nacelle]

Or just many

[dense turtle]

many

[smoky forge]

the more factories u will have

[mortal ginkgo]

he could have more than one train

[undone kestrel]

Check #screenshots for a very bad drawing that explains it

[smoky forge]

that would require signals, which he doesnt know how to use yet

[wicked nacelle]

Just rerail trains as needed 🙂

Anyhow you can still do it with a single not long train by having it make different stops each time around the loop.

First four drop off. Next four drop off. Next four drop off. Etc.

We are already in sillyville so that’s just as good as anything else 🙂

But if you just made a bypass track around every station and just put a block signal at start and end of every station that would be mostly good enough to run multiple equal length trains

[dense turtle]

oh yeah this is the train sphagetti that i dont understand

[wicked nacelle]

@bold valley you can’t merge that water into one pipe. You have to feed them between the coal burners

[prime jasper]

I think my heavy modular Fram factory is eventually working right now.

Considering how complex it is I am concerned about what the next recipes are going to be 🫣

[wicked nacelle]

Oh. You only have 6 coal burners

But if you feed the pipes between them you can run 8 off the same water extractors

[wicked nacelle]

Heavy frames are tedious but not complex. Yeah things are going to get harder.

[latent prawn]

hmf's are kind of the darksoul's boss of satisfactory

[nocturne orbit]

the OWO virus is back

[bold valley]

There are pipes between them. I merges the 3 from the water pumps into one at the start of the burners and the end. Then the pipe moves underneath the burners, each one has a connector into the upper pipe.

[sinful carbon]

lol funny how you said that while the guy above says its not complex

[wicked nacelle]

I see you merging three water extractors into a mk1 pipe. So you’re losing 60 water potential because the pipe limits 360 down to 300. If you feed each individually directly into the pipe that is running between the coal burners you can get all 360 that you “paid for”

And 8 coal burners want 360 water so it works out really nicely

But what you have will work. I only commented because I assumed you had 8 not 6

[bold valley]

Sorry, I'm a little tired and not very good at visualization. Could you be so kind and elaborate that? If I would put down two more burners, I would have to put the three water extractors directly into the upper pipe which feeds into the burners? And not merge them before?

[last valve]

a have big brain plan but im stupid

[wicked nacelle]

You can merge two on one side and feed the other to the other side in the cross pipe below. You just can’t try to force all three to use one pipe section at once. Feed your bottom crossbar from water at two places and the right amount will choose to go left vs right “magically”

[sinful carbon]

not sure if i understand correctly what he meant but when you have 8 coal burners you need 2 different pipe networks (because 360 cant go through 300)

[last valve]

😂

[wicked nacelle]

You don’t need two pipe networks. You just can’t force all the water onto one pipe segment

[sinful carbon]

yea nvm i understand now

[wicked nacelle]

The pipe network will route the water correctly if you let it

But in the image all three are forced into one pipe segment before it is resplit

—-+—-+——- instead of ——-+——— is all you need to change

Feed two into one + and the other into the other + and you can run two more coal generators

[sinful carbon]

i feel like it would be less complicated to just make different pipe networks

[wise junco]

a more simplistic solution may just be to put junctions on your feed line for the gens where each extractor hooks into your feed line

[bold valley]

Ok, that is the image I also had thought of more or less. The next issue would be coal, the split I did was to make sure the last 3 burners get enough coal since they where starving for it. But that should be easily fixable if I just add one additional burner on each side.-

[sinful carbon]

especially for a new player

[wicked nacelle]

You have to have one pipe network in order to do 8:3

Which a lot of people like because it’s “perfect” at default clock

[brittle torrent]

i just tp'ed myself back to base by hitting respawn and ADA: "next time just walk back"

[sinful carbon]

thats just dumb

you can just clock it to 90 and always do 2:1

[brittle torrent]

the devs really think about everything 😂

[bold valley]

I must say, walking in this game is something I love to do. Just hunting for new materials or harddrives is great. And since I play on peaceful like the pleb I am, I dont have to fear to get mauled to death.

[mortal ginkgo]

I like how it is all hand made

It must have been pain but there are really pretty places

[sinful carbon]

wait until you unlock bladerunners

[wicked nacelle]

It was likely procedurally generated then customized

[mortal ginkgo]

Especially the pink forest that I thought cute and safe and wanted to visit with my trusty cute rebar gun AND I WAS TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT THE SAFE PART BROTHERMEN

[bold valley]

I have them. Its always great to jump and miss my platforms and have to run back up again. Happens way to often

[sinful carbon]

you think pink forest is brutal? go to giant trees forest

[smoky forge]

lol

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont wanna go anywhere, I only got standard ammo lols

[smoky forge]

imagine me finding out there are spiders in this game (ive had Realarchnophobia mod installed and didnt even know i did)

i freaked out in greenlands in that litle cave with the somersloop

[wicked nacelle]

Does that actually remove spider spawns?

[smoky forge]

entirely

[mortal ginkgo]

kek, I still remember the smol jumpscare I had where there was the medium sized stinger that spawned only at night and thought it was a smol one so I ran over with my tractor and went to grab the remains, only to see it stand up from ragdoll animation and realising its bigger than I expected

[smoky forge]

LOL

[normal harness]

Hey guys do someone know when did the game will came out on PS5 ?

[mortal ginkgo]

it was the first time I saw a bigger stinger

[smoky forge]

but running it over is a classic, i always did that with my explorer

[twilit escarp]

Guys, how tall is a geothermal generator?

[smoky forge]

like 20 meters

[mortal ginkgo]

I think thats their only purpose right now. You are safe.

[smoky forge]

heh

[mortal ginkgo]

ah this reminds me the time that I wanted to go for a mercer sphere behind a big rock and there were stinger leg sounds. I thought "lol noobs got stuck underground I bet very kek" and removed the rock, only to see 2 green stingers rushing towards me

was another brotherman moment and I knew that I think I am not supposed to be there

[sinful carbon]

i think i know that spot lol

[smoky forge]

ooh that spot, under there right? big forest

[mortal ginkgo]

I love how EVERYONE knows that place lol

[smoky forge]

LOL

[twilit escarp]

something like this? #screenshots message

[sinful carbon]

almost died there a few times

[smoky forge]

ye with that mod i had 2 green hogs down there

[mortal ginkgo]

I needed spheres brotherman, standard issue rebar gun was all I had lol

[smoky forge]

were not scary ( they seemed not to intelligent)

[smoky forge]

double

[wicked nacelle]

No one knows. No updates and devs are on vacation now

[mortal ginkgo]

I think that would mess with their AI. that place is designed for things that can jump

[normal harness]

Ok thank you for the awnser I will wait ...

[twilit escarp]

i put 20 1m foundations

[smoky forge]

ye they just ran into thewater or into walls

[smoky forge]

i guessed wrong

its 50 then

[mortal ginkgo]

to be ULTRA fair, Stingers that jump can deal double damage unintentionally because the jump land attack can trigger at the same time with the regular attack which gets cancelled but still hits.

It is a bit unfair

[twilit escarp]

i put 20 + 1

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t get hit 🙂

[smoky forge]

i relate to that statement

[mortal ginkgo]

Brotherman I am an Elden Ring veteran AND I DONT SEE A DODGE OR BLOCK BUTTON

[smoky forge]

be a speedster

[wicked nacelle]

They do make a very easy to hear sound before they jump.

[peak wasp]

Did I fuck it up?

This has been my unending nightmare as of late...but hopefully it is nearly over

#screenshots message

[smoky forge]

omg what? is that ur factory in screenshots

[twilit escarp]

bruh, i need to know where to put the foundations for my fuel factory

[smoky forge]

man there is an easier way to get 2 imputs in an assembler without clipping lol

[twilit escarp]

and i didnt unlocked geotermal yet

[smoky forge]

man idk

its not rly exact

[sinful carbon]

why are you putting such long lines of conveyors infront of assemblers

[peak wasp]

it is yes

[wicked nacelle]

Making a screw factory is generally not a good choice.

[smoky forge]

use conveyor lifts

[mortal ginkgo]

he is not using Conveyor Lifts... for some reason

[twilit escarp]

2 solutions:

• make a hole there
• wait until unlock geotermal

[sinful carbon]

💀

[smoky forge]

u can snap a splitter right ontop of an input or output of a lift

[twilit escarp]

i dont like that

[smoky forge]

or just dont use the generator at all, i dont like wobbly power production

[sinful carbon]

it looks much better than some long lines of conveyors

[peak wasp]

I had the room

[twilit escarp]

but its free power

[smoky forge]

not worth it imo

[peak wasp]

I mean is it not something I can use to make heavy modular frames

[smoky forge]

and also makes an annoying sound

[twilit escarp]

i could not use this one in particular ig

[south sinew]

the transportation of screws in those amounts is extremely tedious so generally you direct insert it

[wicked nacelle]

You can. Generally better to just belt in the ingots and make the screws per thing that needs them or per small group. Fewer belts you have to integrate

[smoky forge]

there are alternate recepies

[wicked nacelle]

And of course you can use stitched plates with iron wire but same advice for wire. Make it as you need it per few machines

Don’t belt in the wire

[peak wasp]

I mean I do admit this is tedious but I alreeady have the math done up for this

[gleaming viper]

whats a reasonable amount of plastic and rubber to produce to get through comfortably? I planned out 400 of each, but that might be excessive

[wicked nacelle]

It will work it’s just annoying to set up the logistics and it painful to expand later if you want to

[mortal ginkgo]

I think at first you need MUCH more plastic than rubber

[south sinew]

should be fine, you can always upgrade the belt and expand it later if desired

[wicked nacelle]

Then rubber makes a HUGE comeback

[peak wasp]

would I ever need more then 30 a minute?

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, rubber for motor stuff comes up rather surprisingly. but for computer stuff you need tons of plastics at first

[wicked nacelle]

You can finish the story on that but I’m using about 100/m I think?

[sinful zodiac]

I wish you could set all the lights individually instead of having 7 colour slots. I'm doing rainbow stuf but that means I don't have a bright white setting for any of the lights

[wicked nacelle]

But I also have multiple places making them

[peak wasp]

fair enough...also is nuclear fuel worth it?

[wicked nacelle]

Isn’t that just what they are if you just hook them straight to power?

[peak wasp]

I figured instead of doing nuclear power I would feed them to drones

[sinful carbon]

@peak wasp why do you hate lifts so much

[smoky forge]

only for the no lifer and experienced gamers

[wicked nacelle]

I think it’s fun because it’s complex. But you can easily beat the game on fuel generators only

[smoky forge]

look #screenshots

[sinful zodiac]

The street ights you can configure individually. anything else just goes to the first colour slot that would be available in the light control panel and don't have an interface. (and the street lights just use the samme slots as the light control panel)

[wicked nacelle]

Ooh

[smoky forge]

classic case of lifts

[peak wasp]

why would I need them for that project?

[smoky forge]

its space efficient

verry. space . efficient.

[sinful carbon]

also looks cleaner than curvy belts

[peak wasp]

I live in the sky...there is infinite space

[smoky forge]

#screenshots again

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean................... He is not wrong 😛

[smoky forge]

not in terms of time consuming item transportation

[unkempt blade]

isn't the space elevator really just the ultimate lift?

[smoky forge]

okay

[sinful carbon]

and more resource hungry

i also really want to see how he deals with manufacturers

[peak wasp]

about that....

behold

[mortal ginkgo]

oh dear God

[smoky forge]

LOL

[smoky forge]

im shivering already ngl

[mortal ginkgo]

ARE WE PREPARED AT ALL BROTHERMAN

should we @ mods and @ devs at the same time?

[sinful carbon]

his brain will summon a black hole when trying to come up with a way to make the belts not touch

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean at that point he will use just one manufacturer 😛

[smoky forge]

oh no

[vague sparrow]

still think it's funny 6 wheel drive trucks cannot cross over tiny stones before completely flipping over and losing their shit lmao

[sinful carbon]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

[smoky forge]

its worse than i thought

[unkempt blade]

4 truck stops per manufacturer and factory carts to handle all the materials

[smoky forge]

WHY THE PIPES

[peak wasp]

the mega pipeline and beltline

[mortal ginkgo]

DEAR LORD WHAT HAVE YOU SUMMONED INTO THESE CURSED LANDS

[smoky forge]

o man i will not be able to sleep this night i swear

[sinful carbon]

why do you build like this 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

me too and I have a job to go tomorrow 😭

[smoky forge]

for me in 2 days

[peak wasp]

the pipeline is 5 wide and 3 tall

[sinful carbon]

this guy is the number 1 conveyor lift hater

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, where are the reddit guys constantly writing "oh there is no wrong way to play this game"

WELL I SEE ONE RIGHT NOW MFS

[smoky forge]

why, may i ask, do you need liquids high in the sky?

like why ever, not keep em on the ground

[sinful carbon]

could have made a small lift but instead made a whole ass highway going up

[peak wasp]

that where my base is

[unkempt blade]

I like all the pipes. The waviness is calming

[smoky forge]

that does not answer my question

[peak wasp]

and the belts are 5 wide and 4 tall

[smoky forge]

you dont need liquids at your base

[mortal ginkgo]

I get that making it all in sky is fun and easier, but I dont get why he wouldn't use lifts 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

So here is your problem: You think normal

You are not thinking like he is.

He is like "lol bro sky is the limit"

[sinful carbon]

please just tell us, why dont you use lifts

[smoky forge]

yes and no

[peak wasp]

So that is about 15600 items that can go up there belt wise

[peak wasp]

because the belts and pipelines can be infinitely scaled

[unkempt blade]

how am I supposed to flush the toilet in the hub with that kind of thinking?

[sinful carbon]

so can lifts be but horizontally

[smoky forge]

i am capable to put my mind into others, so i do understand that he is basicaly playing the game more for the fun of it than taking it rather serious

[peak wasp]

thumbs up

[smoky forge]

as in my situation i take it more in the effective eyes

[sinful carbon]

belts are scalable up, lifts are scalable to the side

[mortal ginkgo]

Brotherman the situation is complex enough as it is, don't make it harder pls 😭

[peak wasp]

but yeah my plan is to put a cool looking wall around those belts and make it look like a giant pillar holding up my base

its gonna be fucking badass

[unkempt blade]

sorry I'm on team no-lifts/pipe-superhighway

this guy is cooking and I want to see what the end result is like

[mortal ginkgo]

I want to see how he gonna handle Manufacturers kek

[smoky forge]

i kinda do dream of a save that i wna make in the future where i move every single node on the map into a MASSIVE giant factory/base/fortress where every item gets made, stored, uploaded and sinked

[peak wasp]

You know what I might do....move all my iron production on top of my giant sky base

[smoky forge]

thus requring massive belt highways

completely eliminating the need for trains, trucks or drones

[peak wasp]

Man you guys hate belt highways don't you?

[smoky forge]

no i do

i just dont like pipe highways

always use trains for that

[peak wasp]

But its cool

[mortal ginkgo]

dont use plurals, I am here to tease and I love odd ways of handling things. 😄

[unkempt blade]

that's what I was doing in this save #screenshots message

[smoky forge]

untill you have trouble with the flow

[peak wasp]

Man some people have problem with flow?

[smoky forge]

ah, dam

[smoky forge]

nearly ever player there is

i can not think of one that doesnt

[normal turtle]

@peak wasp are you architect IRL?

[peak wasp]

But liquids are fucking easy?

[willow glen]

oddly enough I prefer long pipelines over training fluids, but more of in a “haha this is very funny to do” and less of a “this is actually easier”, cuz trains are cheaper in every way besides station space

[peak wasp]

I haven't had a single issue ever

[smoky forge]

did you ever encounter a new player?

like, ever?

[willow glen]

head lift isn’t when you need more then 600/min and only want to use pumps on one pipe.
recycling fluid priority makes no sense.
Otherwise it is

[latent prawn]

they end up being a very large task. I think heat-fused frame is worse to build (needing hmf's as one of four ingredients), but HMF's are usually quitting time for many

[peak wasp]

I mean I'm only at 200 hours

[mortal ginkgo]

I personally dont. there are ways to handle sloshing but people who suffer from pipes mostly are people who wants to use a pipe segment to its 100% potential and not 99%.

[smoky forge]

im at nearly 600, and let me tell you, one mistake and you gotta check your whole factory

[mortal ginkgo]

Like brother, put one generator less.

You already put 3459830495830853 already.

[willow glen]

as a personal rule if I need over 540/min in a pipe I build another. It just avoids a lot of issues

[peak wasp]

Good news you don't get sloshing when you build up like I am

[unkempt blade]

just loop the pipe-manifold thing or feed it from both sides and everything is amazing again

[latent prawn]

my usualy approach is to stay within mk1 pipe limits wherever possible

[unkempt blade]

pipes mostly get weird if you have a long group of outputs and you're only feeding it from one side

[smoky forge]

mk 2 pipes are very non chalang

[stray loom]

They look better anyways especially the clean variant

[peak wasp]

nope only in satisfactory lol

[wicked nacelle]

I've found the source matters as well. I have 2 unpackagers feeding a rocketfuel pipe of fuel burners and they hold 100% all the time no looping or whatever. but doing it from blenders is all sorts of pain

[latent prawn]

there's really only 2 places where you really need an mk2 pipe in the game: 1) coming out of a pure oil extractor and 2) feeding a nuke clocked to 250

[willow glen]

Rocket fuel is a gas, and gasses don’t care about headlift. Distance is distance to them, regardless of axis

[wicked nacelle]

talking about flow rate not headlift

[unkempt blade]

I'm an architect, you can tell because I use rainbows for everything

[wicked nacelle]

maybe I missed the convo

[willow glen]

oh yeah then you just have a good setup lol figured that was obvious tho

[mortal ginkgo]

real alpha males carry water themselves

pipes are for soyboys

[willow glen]

probably two at once going on, fluids always mix things up

[smoky forge]

yes, i always mine the crude oil by hand

[wicked nacelle]

I was just saying that the source of the flow seems to matter. 2 water extractors or 2 unpackagers seems to work well for me for getting 600 consistently

where as 2.5 blenders is pain

[mortal ginkgo]

the correct way of playing yes.

[wicked nacelle]

back in the day when oil came out packaged could you pick axe it?

[unkempt blade]

trains not pipes is the true flex

[stray loom]

No. At least I don't remember being able to

[mortal ginkgo]

fluid trains are slept on too much imho,they are cool

[wicked nacelle]

the only fluid thing I really transport is nitrogen and it's silly to not package.

[unkempt blade]

they're mostly awful at moving liquids which is amazing because it's a great excuse to use even more trains

[mortal ginkgo]

I would package them tbh

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, if one train is not enough, use two trains. kek

[willow glen]

fluids trains are fine, they just suffer from unloading time more unfairly in my experience is all. I’ve used them previously with great success, specifically with nitric and sulfuric acid since it seems everywhere only wants a drip anyway

[smoky forge]

or more waggons

[mortal ginkgo]

AND GUESS WHAT TO DO WHEN TWO TRAINS ARE NOT ENOUGH?!?!?!

THE ANSWER MIGHT SURPRISE YOU BROTHERMAN

[smoky forge]

LESS TRAINS???

[sick dragon]

im about to embark on a huge project.... https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_RocketFuel_C"%3A"4000"%2C"input"%3A{"Desc_LiquidOil_C"%3A"1800"}%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_Alternate_DilutedFuel_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_HeavyOilResidue_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_TurboBlendFuel_C"]}

[wicked nacelle]

back when you had to make batteries I'd use them for alumina.. but now? nope

[unkempt blade]

pipe superhighway?!?!

[willow glen]

I did raw nitrogen trains before 1.0 but phase 5 changed the dynamic and now I want lots of nitrogen lol

which is still feasable, just would need 2 cars instead of 1

[wicked nacelle]

if you're doing that much why would you not use base turbofuel recipe?

[mortal ginkgo]

MY FAITH IN HUMANITY IS LOST THANKS TO YOU

[sick dragon]

why would i use base turbofuel

[unkempt blade]

trains are fun and I support you even if gas is like a million times easier to move by pipe than liquids are

[wicked nacelle]

you're wasting a lot of oil to save some sulfur

[smoky forge]

o wow u had some ?

[sick dragon]

i have no plans for the rest of the oil.... heck i still have a node of 600 to use but cant use it yet because its in use powering my current turbo fuel setup. i just need to expand it

[unkempt blade]

isn't the best sulfur we save actually the friends we make along the way though?

[sick dragon]

this is in the blue crater... suppose i could use base

[willow glen]

sounds like blue crater

[sick dragon]

could get 7k out of it i suppose

[willow glen]

usually out of habit I use the rest of oil in the blue crater to make computers. They eat plastic. But probably just making the plastic there and computers elsewhere is more ideal for you

[sick dragon]

i got computers elsewhere

[smoky forge]

crystal computer is the better recepie in terms on item consumption right?

[sick dragon]

128 refineries if i dont use turboblend fuel vs 40 blenders

so i would also save a LOT of space

[unkempt blade]

we did a build that was pretty close to that in our 1.0 save #screenshots message

[sick dragon]

im also trying to beautify the thing though lol

[wicked nacelle]

I guess if that's a consideration for you then it makes sense. I think big factories are cool 🙂

[willow glen]

If you’re trying to maximize then yeah it would be crystal computer combined with regular circuit board, but it’s pretty difficult to find oil and quartz together. Oil and copper is blue crater

[sick dragon]

i too like big factories but i have a problem where if it gets too big i start getting bored and then i start just hooking things up to get it working and then it becomes a mess

especially because i cant just build a floating platform in this game. my brain just wont let me lol

[smoky forge]

ive already got an osciliator factory right next to my 1600 plastic farm lol

[willow glen]

sounds dope

[unkempt blade]

what about 2 floating platforms? way classier

[sick dragon]

why didnt i think of that

GENIUS

[wicked nacelle]

how many fuel generators does this need? I hope you thought that through 🙂

[sick dragon]

alot

[smoky forge]

500 are not alot

[wicked nacelle]

each one is 10.41/m or something.. basically 10

so it's 400

[sick dragon]

rocket fuel is 7.1 something

[unkempt blade]

960ish if you don't OC

[smoky forge]

7.5

[willow glen]

Frame foundation on vertical zoop is by far the easiest way to make realistic looking supports in this game.
Concrete columns are a close second but you’d need more of them for realism

[sick dragon]

so if my math is right..... 560ish

[smoky forge]

not much lol, ive made my first "big" power grid with 700

and i didnt use the full potential of the resorce well

[sick dragon]

my current is turbo fuel with about 36 something odd generators? dont remember

running off just 600 oil and a blendfinery blueprint

[smoky forge]

try to get into rocket fuel, its worth it

anywasy, i gotta get sleeping gn

[sick dragon]

thats what my current build is lol

[wicked nacelle]

overclocked rocket fuel burner uses 10.42/m I'm looking at it right now

[sick dragon]

i dont intend to overclock them though i might

[willow glen]

the easiest flow is to do the turbofuel factory then just add rocket fuel onto it; that does ignore the nitro rocket fuel alt but ideally you’re recycling the compacted coal back into turbofuel anyway

overclocking rocket fuel needs a lot of slugs, but it does save space. Up to you on that one

[sick dragon]

oh ya thats another thing i havent considered but i was gonna make a coal plant along with it to burn the compacted coal lol

[bright helm]

Is it hard to start on Dune desert?

[sick dragon]

nodes are farther apart so eh

depends on how much you like running early

[wicked nacelle]

not if you've played through the game for a bit before. but there are some things that you have to fight sooner or whatever

[willow glen]

oil kinda sucks to get to, but otherwise it’s the most spacious of the 4 starts. You’ll never run out of iron nodes

I recommend dune desert only if you’ve done oil at least once

[wicked nacelle]

You could always just do the dune desert start and then run to the starter spot 🙂 It's all the same map

[willow glen]

Rocky desert is my recommendation for new players who don’t wanna do grassy. It’s got everything

[unkempt blade]

have you considered skipping rocket fuel and just building ~8000 biomass burners instead?

[sick dragon]

your pfp checks out with that statement

[bright helm]

I regret I chose grassy fields instead of rocky desert

[trim vine]

You wouldnt happen to know of any way to use factory carts to supply the biomass burners would you?

[willow glen]

Tree farms when?

[wicked nacelle]

that's such a silly setup in astroneer

[sick dragon]

another disgusting thing ima have to figure out is how to distribute the heavy oil residue correctly since i can math with 1 600 pipe to 20 refineries easily that makes it simple to make 3 lines of 20. but then i gotta send 1600 1 way, 400 another way, and then 400 another way

[willow glen]

meh just manifold it all and plug in the extra pipes at the correct midway segments and let it slosh till it figures itself out imo

[wicked nacelle]

that's really just 2x600 and 400x3 so a 2:3 balancer

[sick dragon]

i have yet to figure out pip load balancers

especially uneven ones

[wicked nacelle]

2 pipes with junctions -- one from each side into each of the 3 pipes

[sick dragon]

well it would have to be at least 5 pipes...

[unkempt blade]

well each mk6 belt supports 1200/min and each burner needs 4 solid biofuel/min so you could do groups of 300 burners on a manifold each with a truck stop for a total of 26.66 truck stops

[sick dragon]

3 for the 1600 and 1 for the others

[unkempt blade]

and then the number of factory carts depends on how far the route goes

[sick dragon]

hmmm

though difference is 400....

this could work...

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1401350924903120936/image.png?ex=688ff540&is=688ea3c0&hm=d53a00eeffffe9eb16c9554d6eba736ec83ac06d306610900a010a0a4cd2e584& this

[willow glen]

I love that you did the math for this ridiculous setups.

Brb building 27 truck stops

[sick dragon]

why is that so gigantic

[wicked nacelle]

? because I just threw it together as an example? You're free to adjust however you'd like obviously

[sick dragon]

no i meant the picture. im on an ultrawide and its like zoomed in lol

[wicked nacelle]

oh... I have no clue. I just did a snip of my screen and pasted it

yeah I'm so happy I swapped my 2400 rocket fuel farm to packaged rocket fuel. It's so much easier to see how everything is moving and whether it's flowing correctly or not.

The packaging/unpackaging power cost is enough that I don't love it but it's still worth it

[blazing vault]

yall can anyone gift me satisfactory on steam, i'd really appreciate it. since i dont have an international card

[unkempt blade]

yeah I mean it's not literally infinite power but you're well beyond the point where power is basically just a number more than a limit with that amount of rocket fuel

[sick dragon]

this is against the rules. would not recommend doing this here

[wicked nacelle]

I'm actually fairly tight on power: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1401353741692829756/image.png?ex=688ff7df&is=688ea65f&hm=06043d417ddc3f25486a15e52c6bc855455cf3a3a0dea391ba498915fcf2f004&

[sick dragon]

generating a crap ton more power than i ever have

[blazing vault]

ah damn

[unkempt blade]

that's a lot of kilomegawatts!

[wicked nacelle]

I'm sure you can find places where you can acquire it.

[trim vine]

whats your Uobject count at as a baseline?

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know but I was crashing a lot before I upped it. how do I find out?

In Satisfactory Mod Manager, search for "UObject Counter" and download it

[trim vine]

a mod can show you

How hard was it to up it and have you seen and problems since?

Also whatd you up it to?

[wicked nacelle]

gimme a mnute

[wicked nacelle]

no problems and there was some wiki page and I just copy/pasted. it was a large number like 1000000000000 or something stupid

[trim vine]

I log in at 1.79M out of 2.16 or whatever and.... yeah.....

[wicked nacelle]

I was crashing every hour or two

[vague sparrow]

I've crashed twice within the last 30 mins...

[wicked nacelle]

I am at 1,643,580 out of 100,007,936

I'm going to do a hypertube cannon flyby of all my big stuff and see how much the count goes up. starting at 1.638

[trim vine]

1.6 aint bad honestly

[trim vine]

What I notice causes the count to go up more than anything is interacting with inventories/machines

Just being around shit aint too bad, its the interfaces

[wicked nacelle]

oh holy cow. it goes up by like 10k each time I 'e' on a building???!

that's insane

oh... but it reset fairly quickly

I was over 2m but back to 1.63

[trim vine]

Yuup

I remember trying to prime my High-Spped connectors with quickwire and something else, I couldn't go through 4-5 machines before I was pushing 2.16

[azure cedar]

is it reasonable to move raw coal from node via train to a steel factory?

[trim vine]

very

[wicked nacelle]

last night I figured out how to start the flow of items on a secondary circuit if a primary circuit loses power. but I'm not sure it's useful. basically you use a water packaging loop to block a priority merger but if the packager loses power a lower priority item can start flowing (say, fuel). but is this useful to be able to trigger something when power goes out?

[wicked nacelle]

why not just build where there's coal and iron? They're both very common

[spark sky]

I thought I saw something somewhere about vertical splitters/mergers. Are those in the game?

[azure cedar]

i am having trouble deciding what rarity of node i want to build on lol, pure, normal, impure

[wicked nacelle]

yes, just put a normal merger on a lift

[trim vine]

why would you willingly pull from impure nodes

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest always puttin ga smart/priority one though because the game doesn't let you upgrade them later

[wicked nacelle]

unless there's a bunch of them

[azure cedar]

whoops, i used some impure coal for my first power plant lol

[trim vine]

This is fair, if I can combine 2 impure nodes, thats a pure node

[wicked nacelle]

4

[spark sky]

I don't know, perhaps because at the early game, they were close by?

[azure cedar]

i am guessing the rocky desert and bringing coal down from waterfall is best place to build a steel factory?

[trim vine]

If they at steel you're at least in the mid game

[trim vine]

And yes, they are

[stray loom]

Guess it depends if you need that tiny extra bit. I'm going to use it if I need it instead of trying to bring it in from somewhere else

[trim vine]

A fair point as well

Though if they are talking about trains bringing stuff in, they have their pick of the map 😛

[azure cedar]

im in a weird spot, i deleted everything i built after getting research done, to build it all back

so since its a fresh start trying to get things in the optimal place

[trim vine]

I did that a couple of times in the early game, mk1/2 to mk4 was worth

[wicked nacelle]

there aren't any optimal places.. don't tear things down just build somewhere else.

whatever your old and janky factory was making is still just as useful as it was before

[stray loom]

Build somewhere else, then tear down the old if you really want to

[azure cedar]

ehh its too late now, and i spent 20 hours on my first coal power plant lol

[trim vine]

sage advice this

[wicked nacelle]

have your old factory build smart plates -- even if it's slow you'll want them later 🙂

[azure cedar]

i need to drop another coal power plant i think to power everything, only got 1800 power atm

[spark sky]

Well, in the current game, my base is still where I started. I have 2 impure limestone nodes, 3 normal iron nodes and 1 normal copper node. I also found a pure coal node, way to the south. Other nodes I know of are further out, but I'm still working from my first base location and am about to set things up to work on Phase 2.

[trim vine]

3 priorities at all times in this game as you play through it

1. Power, Isolated from other factories
2. Aggressive MAM and Hard Drive Research
3. Whatever you want

[wicked nacelle]

power isolation would be cool if it mattered even in the slightest... but it doesn't. power in this game is trivial

[azure cedar]

been doing 2 and 1 i need to figure out where i want to build my central command where ill place my electric control panel

[unkempt blade]

0. Use more factory carts

[trim vine]

I notice most people dont do power like you and I do

[spark sky]

I got geothermal and some storage, that's plenty for now (with biofuel backup and a coal power plant if I need it).

[wanton apex]

Can I attach a merger straight against a conveyor lift? I've never tried it, but I'm working on limited space on a large-scale build and having that simplicity would be helpful

[unkempt blade]

I don't bother with power isolation but I do blueprints of huge towers full of power storage and keep enough of that I have a long warning before stuff shuts off

[wicked nacelle]

I just have enough offline storage that I can fix whatever is broken (usually a derailed train I didn't notice) and then turn on my offline batteries long enough to get all the trains to their destinations

[unkempt blade]

I like the idea of power isolation but I mostly do MP saves and anything fancy just confuses people I play with when troubleshooting is needed 😆

[azure cedar]

how do you make angles with foundations again?

[twilit escarp]

Guys, i am having a mental breakdown. So i decided to make a fuel outpost in the blue crater, that has 3 pure nodes, 3 normal and 1 impure. However i realized that the project is much much bigger than i tough.
Just for one pure node it will take 20 refineries that go into 16 blenders that go into (temporary, in the future they go to turbo fuel ) 80 fuel burners.
I dont know how to place all of this buildings down.
I already did the scale down idea of "try to start small" by only doing one node by now, but still feels like a lot....

[wicked nacelle]

do you have hoverpack?

don't do anything like that without hoverpack

[twilit escarp]

yeah

[steady glade]

how about you wait till rocket fuel?

[trim vine]

Did you brick the zone?

[wicked nacelle]

so just hold control down and click click click click click click click

[unkempt blade]

I'd say take a break and make a skatepark for factory carts and come back to it later

[twilit escarp]

but the thing is, IDK How big i want it, and how much platforms i want

[wicked nacelle]

the start of a 1000 building factory is the first building

[twilit escarp]

i cant do anything without more power...

[unkempt blade]

foundations and factory carts don't need power so it's perfect! 😆

[twilit escarp]

wdym?

[trim vine]

I imagine part of the problem is figuring out where to place down all these machines, right?

[twilit escarp]

on a foundation, that is obvious

but the placement of them relative to each other is what is troubling me

like the refineries of first stage dont need water, but then the blenders do

[trim vine]

correct, so "bricking" the zone means covering the entire zone in foundations

Kind of setting the factory floor, more or less

[twilit escarp]

and then i need to leave space to repeat the same building 5x

[twilit escarp]

yeah, but idk how much space i need, and how tall it should be

[vague sparrow]

think of what you need

then double it and double it again

[trim vine]

If it were me, I'd start with all the refineries making HOR up high, maybe even slightly above where that crash site is.

Water is the next tier down with the blenders, and you can have the HOR flow down into the blenders, pump water up and over

[twilit escarp]

like, pump everything upwards?

[trim vine]

Yes. Make a factory floor, high in the sky against the mountain right there, and thats where you process the oil.

Go down then about 10-14 foundations into the next processing area, fuel.

Then you can move the fuel further down and have clusters of fuel gennies

[wicked nacelle]

well, if you pump the dense stuff up high then you never have to pump anything again 🙂

the only problem is that if you don't start high enough you run out of down.. whereas starting at the bottom you never run out of up

[twilit escarp]

the thing is

[trim vine]

Correct

[twilit escarp]

first stage doesnt need water, second stage needs water, then none of the stages higher need water

[trim vine]

correct, you will need to pipe water to the blenders, but its not as bad as you think

Do you plan on using power shards in this (outside of the oil extractors)?

[twilit escarp]

for one pure oil node its just 16 blenders

i didnt plan on using any power shard here

[trim vine]

I recommend sharding the...

Oil Extractors

Water Extractors

Fuel Gennies

[twilit escarp]

what scares me tbh its the 20 refineries and the 80 fuel generators

[trim vine]

32 fuel gennies @250%

[steady glade]

20 refineries are about fine, 80 generators is gonna be a load more space

unless you build in an anlready created facility that lacks space

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1401364934075351110/image.png?ex=6890024c&is=688eb0cc&hm=ee3f07424756bff4f1f52f91bf8dba3f15f99e7271a58e86a2f505c188784954& I just placed 20 refineries and posted the screenshot since you said that. Just start and it will be done before you imagine

[twilit escarp]

so like this? #screenshots message

[twilit escarp]

well, it inst as simple as placing them down, as i need to make sure i can replicate that 4x times, the pipes arent full, etc...

[wicked nacelle]

turn the resin into rubber (or less ideally plastic) if you have any use for that.. but yeah

[trim vine]

something like that, yeah

I also recommend sinking your polymer resin alil ways away from the power, can you can, very easily, turn that into more rubber and plastic later on

[steady glade]

maybe turn the resin into rubber if its not too annoying

[wicked nacelle]

don't worry about all the steps, just do the next step

[trim vine]

Only takes water 😛

[wicked nacelle]

and the next step is placing down 20 refineries. You're thinking WAAAAY too far ahead.

[twilit escarp]

hoo yeah dont worry, i plan on using it later, just sinking for now

[twilit escarp]

But its not just 20 refineries...

[wicked nacelle]

just do the next baby step then ask "what is the next baby step?"

[trim vine]

And Xaxxon hit the nail on the head.

Just start doing the first step

Make HOR, once thats done, then worry about blenders

[twilit escarp]

thats the issue, i need to also be able to make it modular to make the next fuels that are comming later

[trim vine]

I can and have placed alil over 220 or so refiners down in about 20-30 minutes with BPs

[wicked nacelle]

it is. Then the next step is feeding them. then the next step is tying them to the consumer.

[wicked nacelle]

it doesn't have to be modular

[lofty forge]

for fuel gens have you considered ᴄᴜʙᴇ

[twilit escarp]

Also, where do i even build 🙁

that is also not sure

[steady glade]

up

[wicked nacelle]

just make a big rectangle of foundations and go.

these problems only exist in your head, not in the game

[trim vine]

The thing here is.....

HOR and Diluted Fuel dont change

You just change the route of fuel to more refineries for turbofuel and rocket fuel later on

[twilit escarp]

i was thinking more about the first 2 stages being close to the water

[lofty forge]

i suggest building as much of it in the void as possible

[vestal hound]

I hated Factorio, me install Factorio, me bored Factorio, me decide do something, me make fabric, me make steam, me happy, me love Factorio, me super happy

[wicked nacelle]

and turbofuel doesn't have to change either. base recipe is best recipe

[vestal hound]

Is there modular turbines in factorio?

Or just the Steam Generator

[wicked nacelle]

wrong discord

[vestal hound]

oh wrong server

[twilit escarp]

i am using heavy oil residue and diluted fuel

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, none of that changes.

[steady glade]

oh i thought you were still talking about the generators specifically, then built the refineries and blenders on both sides of the geothermal

and the generators above it

[trim vine]

Again mate, just start, the project becomes clearer when you start

[twilit escarp]

#screenshots message dw, already planed that

maybe might pump up a bit the sulfur

but other than that, that is the end plan

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest you stop using planners. They're giving you anxiety. Build the final thing you want to build then feed it. Then feed the things that feed it... and the game plays itself

[twilit escarp]

but they are better to be able to know how much i will need

[wicked nacelle]

if you never build anything it doesn't matter what you know. I'm being semi serious as they are giving you anxiety

[steady glade]

for rocket fuel, is nitro better than base recipe? considering the inflated extra resources for the 30% yield increase

[twilit escarp]

yeah, that is a thing i tried avoiding, but guess i am back to it.
I tried the ideology: Its better to do something basic than to do nothing at all

[noble sand]

how many coal generators can one water extractor fuel

[stray loom]

Nitro simplifies the process by eliminating the turbofuel step at the cost of more sulfur. Up to you to determine how valuable that is

[twilit escarp]

but the issue is: i have my steel factory as example, i tried with steel beams and steel pipes onçy

then upgrades to encased + rotor

then upgraded to motor + heavy steel frame

meaning, its making very few ammounts of those last 2 items

but i just went the lazy route

[stray loom]

Build what you need when you need it. Stop trying to plan ahead and overbuild now for the sake of having it later

[twilit escarp]

thats the thing i just said

i tried doing that with that steel factory

and then i took the easy route when i needed a new material

and just built one floor above

[wicked nacelle]

Here's an approach. Just pick an amount of oil and turn it all into HOR. Don't worry about anything else. Then turn all that HOR into diluted fuel. don't worry about anything else. Just do it one floor at a time and just build until you've used everything from the previous step

You'll end up at exactly the same place as the planner except you don't have to think about all of it at once

and once you have fuel you can temporarily just burn that if you want to stop there to take a break

[twilit escarp]

there is a big big problem there

[wicked nacelle]

oh?

[twilit escarp]

in one step i need compacted coal, which required coal + sulfur, and sulfur arround is not enough for all the fuel

[wicked nacelle]

so worry about that later

[twilit escarp]

so i either import more, or just use the one nearby limiting the ammount i can make

[wicked nacelle]

or do both. use the local stuff for now and bring in more later. You don't have to decide this now

especially if you do one floor per tier you'll always have the ability to expand horizontally

[stray loom]

Just build™

[wicked nacelle]

and like I said, once you're making diluted fuel you can just send that to your fuel burners for now and move to something else for a while since you'll have a bunch more power just from that

[twilit escarp]

the problem of building a floor per tier, is that i will need to pump each pipe since they are liquids and not solids

[wicked nacelle]

pumps are not difficult.

[twilit escarp]

but they require pumps

[stray loom]

Who cares? It's a pump. You stick it in when you need it

[wicked nacelle]

have you not unlocked pumps?

[twilit escarp]

and more pumps when they are not needed is a waste of energy

meaning its less eficient