satisfactory

[burnt ferry]

its just temporary sinks anyway.. to see if the production so far works as expected

[rustic otter]

or whatever the project part is on the conveyor

is that not modular engines?

[smoky lily]

so i just started a new world in 1.1 after taking a 3 month break from the game and found a speed glitch with crouching and jumping near the ground. is this known?

[lavish burrow]

That sounds like slide jumping.

[rustic otter]

it is but its a lot faster

its better without blade runners and u need relatively flat ground

[lavish burrow]

Though, slide jumping is more like bunny-hopping, since it lets you preserve and build up momentum.

[lavish burrow]

You can't do it directly uphill, but you can actually still preserve your speed if you're dexterous enough to make the slide jump at an angle that isn't actually going up the incline.

[burnt ferry]

i dont even know what your point would be? why would anything, you have so little context of, not make sense?

and no its not modular engines, its alu scrap 😂

[split pewter]

good example is turning right and then turning left while midair as if its a bhop

[burnt ferry]

so REALLY far off 😂

[rustic otter]

did i get sent to the wrong screenie?

[lavish burrow]

Pretty much. And of course, getting a jetpack makes it a lot more versatile.

[burnt ferry]

ah.. thats on me then.. i cant link to particular screenshots

[lavish burrow]

I've done some pretty absurd things with slide jumping off of moving trains.

[rustic otter]

i was consistenly getting sent to the wrong screenshot

[split pewter]

it does, but you cant really spam space with it as you'll just get farther from the ground so it gives more momentum control at the cost of skill

[burnt ferry]

i just link the channel, so it would be the last screenshot i posted that im talking about

[rustic otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1399098781999562873/image.png?ex=6887c3c7&is=68867247&hm=9e742e918450e84a4372ddc9bd95a90b3fd9720b2d4502a3751735bd135884af&

[burnt ferry]

my link wasnt sending you to any screenshot but the very latest.. which isnt necessarily the one i posted

[rustic otter]

i was getting sent to this one

[burnt ferry]

ye like i said.. i jsut link the channel, not the post.. im not allowed to for some reason

[lavish burrow]

Not quite sure what you mean. The point is to only tap space occasionally to extend your airtime enough to avoid obstacles, or make awkward turns.

[split pewter]

thats more or less momentum control, you can change direction alot easier. also spamming space would just activate the jetpack

[burnt ferry]

lul... that screenshot certainly qualifies to be object of the question, I was asking 😂

[rustic otter]

#screenshots message

u copy message link and then paste it

[lavish burrow]

Honestly, I consider the jetpack to be far more useful for horizontal movement than vertical.

[split pewter]

wait a moment

[burnt ferry]

#screenshots message

[split pewter]

THOSE AWESOME SINKS ARE FLOATING

the sinks really are awesome huh

[rustic otter]

there u are

[split pewter]

??

[burnt ferry]

hm... why is that generating a reference, when when using the rigbht function for that tells me i'm not allowed? 😂 discord becoming the new teamspeak

[lavish burrow]

At least until you start working with super endgame production lines using full belts of materials and need arrays of them to act as overflow sinks...

I wouldn't mind an upgrade to it that has multiple ports, or something, honestly.

[split pewter]

yeah, its very big

[burnt ferry]

if i put them on the floor the belt is too steep

[split pewter]

its already vertical bro

[split pewter]

forwarding will make the whole message appear

[burnt ferry]

but that belt is far longer.. i would have to put two segments each

[burnt ferry]

what maniac puts two segments, when you can just nudge up them sinks?

[split pewter]

those maniacs obey the law of physics 😭

[burnt ferry]

😂 i kid... those are just temporary, hence i put them there

the scrap isnt flowing yet for some reason

[split pewter]

🥀

[fathom shuttle]

Man I just realized that I deleted the assembly director systems that I made for the biochemical sculptures lol

So I need to make them all over again

[half scaffold]

WOW, was not expecting that kind of power usage from the partical accelerator!
Thank god for my batteries and 1GW solid biofuel backup

[split pewter]

1gw...

[stiff ibex]

1 gw is an insane solid biofuel setup lmao

[split pewter]

i have like 4

biofuel generators

[stiff ibex]

oh youre using fuel generators

i thought you meant the biomass burners

[split pewter]

burners*

wrong thing

atleast i have 7 batteries

[half scaffold]

No I AM using BIomass Burners. I set up 10 of them when I started, and added another 10, then 20 more (total of 40).

Since they only burn when needed, they make a good backup source

[split pewter]

40 biomass burners

[half scaffold]

And I have like 50 batteries

[split pewter]

i have a tenth of that amount

or about

[half scaffold]

And I have one at each radar tower "just-in-case"

[split pewter]

mmm

honestly im so impatient i cant even wait an hour for batteries to charge so i use the satisfactory calculator to charge them all once i know they would've charged full

it feels like cheating but i cant even wait for my microwave food

[burnt ferry]

#screenshots message now that looks a lot better

[dense violet]

why do you even need them that fast? they'll charge while you build

[split pewter]

the thing was i didnt know at the time, i was like 100 hrs into my save

im at 130 and im now realizing how stupid it was

[half scaffold]

I wasn't sure if I was going to go with Nuclear power, but I'm adding more and more Manufacturers and with power shards they use like 0.75GW

[split pewter]

holy crap

[half scaffold]

I figured that out pretty quick... But I'm an EV guy, so charging is kind of my thing 😛

[dense violet]

fair xD they're back up after all, they aren't something you build to use right now

[split pewter]

yeah and my factory was on life support, i had to turn off 7 of my machines just to know it would take less than 2 hours to charge

now i (still) have power spikes and use like 1% of my batteries at times

need moar fuel generators!!!

[peak wasp]

Hello, what is the Discord for the Satisfactory mod community?

[half scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1399267960748638228/image.png?ex=68886156&is=68870fd6&hm=1dcb5e663bb0cddf250e3b2a415d28210b8edc01841d1651e0fae29c25326684&

Damnit, can't ever figure out how to link to the image in #screenshots

[timid tangle]

Quick question does using the chainsaw in area mode give you less leaves/wood than single mode?

[half scaffold]

Have an hour left on my Nuke Pasta

[half scaffold]

No, it's just targeted

[frail sleet]

RF is a gas, the worst issues are specific to liquid.

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[split pewter]

who just tried replying to my ss

[half scaffold]

I guess if I need atnother 2GW I can use power shards over at my fuel gen station. 1x Extractor, 4x Refineries, and 8x Fuel Gen. 25 power shards

[stiff ibex]

at that stage id recommend just building more machines rather than overclocking

other than the extractor

power shards arent renewable for you yet and the exponential power consumption is a pain

[hidden bane]

How many trains are too many?

[stiff ibex]

4 is the max without slowdown issues i believe

4 freight cars per locomotive

[hidden bane]

Nah I mean like, how many different trains on the same line

[stiff ibex]

i dont think theres a specific answer to that question

[hidden bane]

I'm kinda planning on running 3 or 4 (or more depending on production) trains for each resource type. + liquids.

Am I stupid

[tidal epoch]

no, i ran 8

[hidden bane]

Well this is gonna be like 40 maybe

Probably more

[tidal epoch]

yea

[daring stag]

I need to build 1000 nuclear pasta

[split pewter]

you know your not doing good when you need to buy copper wire with coupons

[clever sandal]

Had a dream of conveyor belts running thru my bed

[split pewter]

coupons..?

well then

[clever sandal]

I was like 3km away from my copper wire storage so i got desperate (i needed it for a train)

[split pewter]

im at my base which has 2 copper wire makers

and needed to buy it

[full perch]

is it better to reorganise my base now that i unlocked mk2 miner? as of now, i just build spagetti and just enuf to fullfil requirement without caring about efficiency

[daring stag]

I'm nearing the end of the game, and I just let live my early shit factories

I just build new and better elsewhere everytime

the old stuff still fill alien depots

why waste time redoing stuff when you can let it run and add new stuff elsewhere at the same time

shit I need 7 hours to craft 1000 nuclear pasta at full overclock speed

[frozen cloud]

7h to make the other 3

[full perch]

btw any way i can recover death crate using scim ?

[daring stag]

I guess it will be time to let the pc run

[frozen cloud]

make sure you sloop

[daring stag]

only 2 achievements left, phase 5 and 1000 tickets statue

yeah I sloop the pressure cube then pasta

problem is I fill RCU by hand because they are far, maybe I should use a drone but not sure it can go that distance

train is too far too and would need to rebuild stations

[boreal musk]

drones can go to any distances as long as it has enough fuel for that trip

[daring stag]

I have basic orange fuel here

grassy plains to oil islands?

not that far I guess I have to try

one tip for beginners: make an automated mining bot line

[half scaffold]

??

[daring stag]

portable miner

[half scaffold]

Ahhh

[daring stag]

I'm getting tired of having to build equip workshop and build them by hand every 15 minutes

[half scaffold]

I built a bunch a while back and loaded my depot and haven't checked since.

[daring stag]

yeah that works too

build hundred or so and in the dimensional cloud

[half scaffold]

I'm down to 41 😛

[half scaffold]

But they can only take 1 thing of fuel right? So the trip would be based on the distance possible given the particular type of fuel.
Seemed like they were burning through my packaged fuel fast

[daring stag]

I think I need to put fuel input at both ports to be safe

[half scaffold]

Down to 3 sloops, I need to go sloop hunting!

[daring stag]

yea sloop hunting is the sole thing I still need in exploring

went inside the big swamp waterfall that everyone was talking about

killed 2 elite stingers from my hoverpack they didn't even move as I was so far away

[upbeat charm]

Just bough this game a few weeks ago.

Hello!

[daring stag]

hello, bought it 2 weeks ago but I have already 130 hours lol

but I'm nearing the end thankfully I will be able to do something else

[upbeat charm]

I play at like crawling speed

Just finish phase 1

[daring stag]

well you should, it's not healthy to play like I do but since my company went bankrupt I have money and free time

[tidal epoch]

its ok i completed phase 1 in 1 week

[upbeat charm]

Still learning the rope on how best to transport materials back and forth

[tidal epoch]

manual

[upbeat charm]

Conveyor Belt?

[tidal epoch]

hard manual labor is the best

[daring stag]

phase 1 you don't have a lot of options

[frozen cloud]

belts for days!

[dense violet]

belts for everythign is fine. You're still learnign everything

[upbeat charm]

Also do I place miner to every ore nodes?

[dense violet]

any one you want to use

[upbeat charm]

I want to get my production line for Modular shape up but can't find Iron Ore with normal purity

[daring stag]

it's ok you can take multiple impure and merge their output

[upbeat charm]

The energy to ore per minutes though 😦

[daring stag]

phase 5 power consumption be like https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1398939889512484965/1399280782391902288/32647B23-484A-4F76-8FED-5E42EC3F8CE2.png?ex=68886d47&is=68871bc7&hm=893ccb1056753d48a8daf42bd3357d964ad988bd38561351e09cce70512d51d5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

built 28 250% rocket fuel generators yesterday evening, seems it won't suffice

[frozen cloud]

quantum encoders do be hungry

[daring stag]

yeah at least a grid shutdown would be easy to fix. unplug the quantum stuff, reboot power

[upbeat charm]

Fuse blown

Total Energy consumption is 37 and I have 40 as capacity

Let me plug this machine that eats 4 more

boom*

[daring stag]

the nuclear pasta accelerator uses 20GW at peak use lol

well to be safe always have more power than the blue line (maximal consumption)

even if in practice you never reach it

[frozen cloud]

eh just need more than average + power storage

[daring stag]

idk it feels safer above blue. like no matter what scenario, it can't go down

also from grassy plains to oil islands is 68 packaged fuel for the drone wtf.. that's a lot

[frail sleet]

fuel is extremely bad for drones

you unlock rocket fuel at the same time as drones, a lot better to just use that

(it goes 15x further, 50% faster)

[daring stag]

yeah but my rocket fuel plant is in the swamp..

[frail sleet]

and you have drones

to take it anywhere easily

[daring stag]

uh that's right I could have a port in the swamp lol

[cerulean gorge]

imagine if the drones have a stroke and start crashing into everything

[daring stag]

interesting then I can make ionized fuel too

[frail sleet]

1 port can move enough rocket fuel to power several hundred drones. If you're taking little bits all over though, maybe more like 5-10 destinations because of the length of the land animation

[daring stag]

but I build the power shards in the rocky desert

[cursive crane]

Yall ever heard of the smart switches? Lol

[daring stag]

they are in the category of things I have unlocked but never used

[cursive crane]

Really should

[daring stag]

what they do

[cursive crane]

You can set them to flip off instead of a fuse blowing

[daring stag]

ah yeah like in real life

[cursive crane]

Can section off whole factories

[daring stag]

could be useful on the particle accelerator slooped and clocked

[cursive crane]

Power goes to high? Turns off least priority factory

Highly suggest using them.

Also good for hypertube cannons you dont need

[daring stag]

I need to make a hypercanon blueprint

I'm too lazy to redo it everytime

[cursive crane]

Dont really need them anymore with the junctions. Iirc means you just need an entrance and a junction or something that loops back around

Havent done that yet tho

[daring stag]

I'm using my train lines to move around (I use the map from nortwest of rocky desert to south east of swamp)

it's time consuming

just downloaded a canon blueprint https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/6959/name/Hypertube+Railcannon

[cursive crane]

Oh yea, thats one way, I use cannons with tubes going where I want

[daring stag]

how do you choose the direction

wait I have this nitrogen source 1500m3 per minute but a pipeline is 600m3 pm

how do I handle that

[fiery pewter]

So idk who of you guys were arguing/debating on the best way to make fuel for fuel power, and one of you constantly recommended to use diluted packaged fuel, and I put in through the numbers, and now I only use 270 Crude for 600 turbofuel

[daring stag]

connecting all the small nodes to a single pipeline that I then split into multiple pipelines work?

[fiery pewter]

2 mk2 pipes, 1 mk1 pipe

Connect enough nodes to fill each pipe, in the end you have 600+600+300=1500

[daring stag]

but that's overflow

I have some single nodes that are 600 alone, maybe I just pipeline them individually

[humble osprey]

Once a train derails, can it rerail itself if it lands on a different track??

[daring stag]

blue crater nitrogen source btw

[humble osprey]

I'm thinking of making a roller coaster

[fiery pewter]

No I don't think so, it has to rerail on the same track I thinkz

Otherwise, why wouldn't they rerail if the crash on a junction and land on another track

[dense violet]

avoid that. Merge what you can into single pipes.

[daring stag]

but it won't be able to handle

[dense violet]

multiple single pipes

[fiery pewter]

4 pure nodes and 2 normal nodes, being (4×120)+(2×60)=600, so you have to be overclocking then

[humble osprey]

I wanted to make a ramp so the train can launch itself into the air and then land back on track

[dense violet]

merging a ton of pipe flow only to split them again is asking for flow issues

[daring stag]

here how I handled it? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1398939889512484965/1399297430805286922/Screenshot_20250728-094803.png?ex=68887cc9&is=68872b49&hm=a5bd1482589c4806efc2e5412675b45a95552698bebd1ab69ba38c7c995ffbdf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1596&height=898

[daring stag]

yes 250%

[fiery pewter]

I have not messed with trains that much, but I don't think it will happen

[dense violet]

again - decide which sources you're going to combine, then move them in pipes

[daring stag]

yeah that's what I did no?

[dense violet]

what you have there looks fine?

[daring stag]

yeah at first I merged everything but it couldnt handle that flow I thought

[dense violet]

yeah but you were talkign like you were going to merge them all

[fiery pewter]

Alright then, merge 2 pure nodes into 1 mk2 pipe, do the same for the other 2 pure nodes, and combine the normal nodes into 1 mk1 pipe

[daring stag]

yes that's what I did initially but then

[fiery pewter]

Then the math is mathing again

[daring stag]

4x300 and 2x150

1500/600=2.5

[fiery pewter]

Yeah

Alrighty

[daring stag]

annoying to have a 300m3 line but that's life

[fiery pewter]

Clean mk1 pipes look very neat imo

[daring stag]

I use mk2 pipe and mk6 belt everywhere

just in case

resources are infinite so

[fiery pewter]

Yeah you could do a mk2 pipe for consistency, wouldn't have much impact I thinkz

[daring stag]

blue crater seems op for rocket fuel city

you have sam, nitrogen, sulfur, coal, water, oil

[trim vine]

dont forget ambiance, lotta ambiance in that crater

[daring stag]

well satisfactory tools always tell me to use converters idk if that's so good

yeah nice place

[trim vine]

might need to disable the T5 recipes (SAM Conversion)

[daring stag]

or the converter building

you think it's bad? it wants I use convertor to create sulfur

from iron and sam

maybe I should just mine sulfur instead

[trim vine]

I have a blank tab where I sync my current tech level/alt recipes to it, and then copy that tab and tweak the inputs for my current project

[dense violet]

there's plenty on the map

from what I can tell it's generally just as easy to bring in the resource you need as bringing in the SAM to convert something else

[daring stag]

yeah idk why it insists on using it all the time

I like exploring caves though

[dense violet]

tools? turn off sam on the input, or remove the converter machines.

it goes by weight value of a resource

[radiant swallow]

is there a trick to build things faster?.... i am already using blueprints, but having to place 60 machines is very time consuming...

[tidal epoch]

i dont use blueprints and still it works faster for me

[trim vine]

How do you mean?

Blueprints, already belted, "powered", and recipe set, should be easyish?

[tidal epoch]

you need to love the game for it to work faster

[radiant swallow]

they also take so much space

[trim vine]

Thats crazy work to say its not faster xD

[tidal epoch]

see the problem?

[trim vine]

What takes so much space?

[radiant swallow]

im currently placing refineries

im already 200% sharding them but i just need so many of them

[dense violet]

Don't use refinery recipes then

[trim vine]

Ahhhh

First things first

-gentle hug-

Second, you should be able to fit 2-4 Refineries in a BP designer, with belts and pipes and power on it

[dense violet]

Well, can't really avoid it with oils. but most other things you can

[radiant swallow]

how am i gonna make plastic?

[dense violet]

but you can avoid them most other places

[trim vine]

He thinks you're doing a "pure ingot" recipe, or wet concrete

[radiant swallow]

for later, i neeeeed....

2400 copper powder...

*copper ingots

how the hell am i gonna do that without pure ingot recipes

[radiant swallow]

i am already doing that... it's just still..... sooooo looooong...

[trim vine]

Copper alloy ingot 😛

[trim vine]

which MK BP Designer you using?

[radiant swallow]

mk2

[trim vine]

if you are amenable to a mod, Early BP designer by Gohla gets you an MK3, which makes refineries 10% more tolerable

[radiant swallow]

#screenshots message this is just for the heavy oil...

[trim vine]

Lemme go send you a screenshot

Need a few minutes though

[radiant swallow]

those are the "85" i need for the heavy oil. i still need...40 for residual rubber, 120 for plastic and 110 for rubber

and 68 blenders

moving around to place those buildings takes so much time

[hearty kindle]

is there a button or a mod to disable the hoverpack and just let gravity do its work?

[radiant swallow]

C

double-tapping it

[hearty kindle]

that's just gowing down. i want to fall

[trim vine]

#screenshots message

[hearty kindle]

oh thanks

[flint grail]

For crossing diamonds with the rails, do they have to be at the same level for the path signals to recongize it as a junction?

[trim vine]

@radiant swallow

See, aint that bad

😛

[radiant swallow]

yeah.... the thing is just that it takes so long to place all those buildings and connect them properly...

i am just so... spoiled i guess from factorio because i just copy-paste things a few times and let the bots do the hard work for me

[trim vine]

Im loggin in, lemme show you how I set it up, might make your life alil easier

[flint grail]

Bruh, I loaded in and my game crashed again

[tall plover]

hope you stocked up on HMF

[radiant swallow]

if we could at least get mk3 pipes lol

[trim vine]

Only a metric fuckton a minute 😛

[tall plover]

how much r u making?

per min

[trim vine]

~65/70

[tall plover]

not bad

ill be doing the same when finishing my factory

[trim vine]

not quite the metric fuckton, but still more than enough for 30 FMF a minute

[tall plover]

100 HMF per min, 30 for Pressure Conversion cubes, 70 spare

[flint grail]

Bruh, I'm stuck in an endless loop of crashes

[trim vine]

whats the error

[radiant swallow]

bruh i dont even have the patience to build something like that

not without bots at least

[flint grail]

Assertion failed: FMallocBinned2::FPoolInfo::IsSupportedSize(Size) [File:D:\BuildAgent\work\SR11_BT\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\Core\Private\HAL\MallocBinned2.cpp] [Line: 951] Invalid Malloc size: '109951582208'

[trim vine]

looking at things in smaller parts makes it a lot easier

[trim vine]

are you trying to load into a dedicated server?

[flint grail]

It sucks cause I'm playing with a friend and I was in a train I had going to a storage track/station with self-driving turned on

@trim vine Friend's session, as stated above

[trim vine]

So, a quick google search says that its a memory issue on their end, looks like

likely a*

[flint grail]

Did they crash as well then?

Or are frozen?

[radiant swallow]

im just slowly but surely also running low on power shards.... so i have to go and collect more again

i kinda just wanna keep building and not just spend another 5h on exploration

[dense violet]

Alloy

[flint grail]

Luckily, there's a special unlock in the MAM that will allow you to automate power slugs

[dense violet]

Or choose a goal that doesn’t require this.

One of the beautiful things about the game is that 99% of what you you do is entirely self inflicted

[radiant swallow]

yeah... but im phase 4..

[radiant swallow]

but i got all that oil in one place... it would be a shame to not use it all

[flint grail]

Now, I'm getting `Fatal error!

Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0x0000000000000000`

[trim vine]

you got an AMD GPU?

[flint grail]

Ye

[trim vine]

Google your errors

There are various solutions to both of them

[spice patio]

tHAT LINE IS

That line is red herring.

[spice patio]

That line tells nothing.

Just that null pointer was used instead of real one for any reason.

[spice patio]

Another one that the game tried to allocate insane amount of memory because of some error before.

[spice patio]

Make #1038092680493801533 thread, specify your CPU, GPU, RAM speed and amount of RAM sticks.

[flint grail]

Lemme just reboot first

There's not much I can do though as my friend is hosting the session

Probably karma as I was just about to eat after parking the train

[flint grail]

Done

[vague sparrow]

Uh oh I've mistaken nuslear pasta for conversion cubes lol, off to exploit some pure copper/iron nodes it is then >.<

nuclear*

[true swan]

my kingdom for the cast screws recipe D=

i've already opened 5 hard drives

i don't even have the space elevator yet lmao

[vague sparrow]

ionized fuel is dangerous, before you know it you're 100m in the air without knowing and fall damage will kill you xD

[smoky forge]

naaah, just counter fall damage with some tricks

[vague sparrow]

Which tricks?

[smoky forge]

one. just use the jetpack last milisecond, 2nd hoverpack has a decending function even without power

3 there is also a parachute

4 land in water lmao

[vague sparrow]

well I was in the middle of nowhere setting up anew outpost, i H ad no power for the hoverpack lol

[smoky forge]

as i said

even without power it can do that

[vague sparrow]

afaik you can only slow drop with the hoverpack when you run out of power while using it

I' ve tried this before and i just fell like a brick

[smoky forge]

?

if you have power you float, and if you dont then you decend

you gotta hold space

[vague sparrow]

yes, like a brick

[smoky forge]

cant realy be lol

[vague sparrow]

That only works when you run out of pwoer while you were using it

[smoky forge]

i gotta try that at some point

[vague sparrow]

When you switch from jetpack to hoverpack, you don't get that feathery descent

I've tried and died before from that lol

parachute would be an option, but I would have to grab it out of my DD in like 2-3 seconds before hitting the ground lmao

Think I got unlucky since I was at like 60% hp after fighting like 7 monsters

boosted a bit too high, didn't realise I was so high up

weird though, since I heard devs say on videos that there is no fall damage, you just go to 1hp, I guess maybe this only counts when you drop from 100% hp

[daring stag]

can you sink power shards?

[true swan]

hey so i need to reroll a hard drive or two to get cast screws, which of these is the least useful?

stitched plate / bolted plate
caterium wire / iron wire
cheap silica / bolted frame
fused wire / fine concrete
copper rotor / 6 slots

i think probably fused/fine?

[smoky forge]

cheap silica

and take the 6 slots

[vague sparrow]

and get caterium wire for sure

Best bet is to gather more hard drives and keep them in the library

[daring stag]

I'm gonna automate ionized fuel

[vague sparrow]

ones in your library will not roll again, so you will get a higher chance for new recipes

[true swan]

thanks, got it on the reroll. then i grabbed iron wire just before you said that lol. it seemed more immediately useful. i still have stitched/bolted and fused/fine, was thinking about rerolling the second one but i don't know if i should do it before or after i pick the first one because both plate options are pretty good with iron wire or cast screws available

[vague sparrow]

iron wire is kinda meh, never usd it tbh, it might work depending on your situation

caterium wire is like copper wire on steroids

[heavy forge]

how can i make my factories not ugly as hell 💔

[vague sparrow]

stiched iron plate is pretty good

[upbeat charm]

Embrace the spaghetti

[vague sparrow]

any recipe with screws is not preferable, unless you have steel crews, which massively increases screw production

[upbeat charm]

But I think early game factory tends to look unappealing

[true swan]

yeah i see 15 plates per minute and i'm like hell yes but then i realize it's 250 screws to feed it and i don't have mark 3 belts

[upbeat charm]

Cuz yoy are very limited on resources

[heavy forge]

i either go insane trying to make it look nice or i just spagetti

[vague sparrow]

Yeah, the screw requirments are what make it very hard, since you need a ton of machines to even feed that

steel screws on the other hand will let you pump out 250/pm, but you can get this later after steel research etc

[true swan]

so since i don't need bolted immediately i should reroll fused wire/fine concrete before pickiong stiched?

[upbeat charm]

I think at least for now you want to learn hotkey for placing stuff

[vague sparrow]

Yeah, that would be alright I think

[upbeat charm]

Like Zoop mode for Foundation and Pressing Ctrl for consecutive Production Facilities

[vague sparrow]

I'm sure there is a place for fused wire, but once you unlock caterium wire it blows everything out of thw water

and once you can smelt copper alloy ingots in the foundry, you will have more copper bars than you know what to do with

[true swan]

got caterium wire as an option on the reroll but i am missing the appeal. caterium is relatively rare atm why would i waste it on wire when i can make plenty with my starting copper for now? seems better when copper gets scarce later

[upbeat charm]

Do we have Light Bulbs in the game btw?

[vague sparrow]

I powered a 20p/m modular engine factory on 3 caterium wire constructors lol

[true swan]

oh i underestimated how much wire i'll need later then

[vague sparrow]

hmm, maybe not need exactly, but you need significantly less machines for a massive boost in wire production

caterium isn't that rare tbh, once yu explore a bit of the map and get some transportation methods

[cerulean gorge]

i just steal the wiring from the space elevator

[lost wagon]

You know what is rhe mystery question of this game, it's why only one side of the asphalt foundation is black and the other are white, it annoys me so goddamn much when I put 50 foundations and see 1 every 5 is black and the other isn't, having o rotate all of them so they're all black

[heavy forge]

oh ya dw i have a ton of hours i just hatre ugly

[vague sparrow]

Like, right now I am using hte classic battery recipe which recuires 120wire p/m on base

thats 4 construcctors on copper wire, 1 constructor on caterium wire

[upbeat charm]

We need to always remember that there is nothing more permanent than "a temporary solution"

[daring stag]

endgame is crazy. I manufacture pressure bottles at one place, put nitrogen in it, deliver it by train. then once it arrives, it's depackaged, nitrogen goes into pipe, and empty bottle go into airport storage. the empty bottles are shipped to a rocket fuel factory. the bottles are re-filled with rocked fuel this time, and shipped again by air to yet another base, where they are emptied, transformed into ionized fuel, and repackaged as is

[cerulean gorge]

Me sitting in the corner trying to figure out how to expand out to steel:

[vague sparrow]

Find some pure iron/coal nodes and go ham

north east-ish part of the map has 3-6 pur eiron and 3 pure coal deposits

[cerulean gorge]

i already tapped the ones near me, i think all the coal nodes are fuelling coal plants while the iron nodes are doing most other pieces

i'm in the southern part of grass fields

maybe i'll OC a coal miner

[vague sparrow]

theres a spot uhm

[daring stag]

yea endgame is more about logistics to me, production is solved

[upbeat charm]

I'm considering transitioning to manifold instead of evenly splitter

[heavy forge]

oh my gosh vertical splitters is so good

i didnt know they added that

[vague sparrow]

east of the southern part are 4 normal iron nodes an a pure coal on top of the hill

it's a good place to get some basic steel manufacturing going

If you have basic iron ingor alt recipe, you can use that to get more iron ingots

[cerulean gorge]

i think I know where you're pointing on the map, i think i used the 4 normal nodes for rods, sheets, nails, reinforced plates iirc

[vague sparrow]

since there is limestone close by too

[vague sparrow]

bottom left also has a pure coal node and some iron

[cerulean gorge]

i can probably overclock the miner mk1 since it already fuels 8 coal plants

[vague sparrow]

getting a large steel production is hard at the start with lower tier machines and not as many alt recipes that can boost outputs

In the middle of the map there are some good spots for big steel production once you tier up somewhat

[cerulean gorge]

all my little factories output the bare minimum per minute 🐟

[vague sparrow]

😦

It's a start though

Lookout for the coke steel ingot alt recipe, it will boost steel ingots by ALOT

petroleum coke can be produced prety cheap in massive amounts

[cerulean gorge]

i dont have access to oil 🐟

[vague sparrow]

Keep going, unlocking stuff, you will get there 😄

[daring stag]

we believe in you

[vague sparrow]

refineries should be high on the priority list, since it will give you a massive power boost aswell as many options

[upbeat charm]

Imma go explore south eastern part then elite hog just throw me back like 50 meters away while they are on hill

guess not for now

But I just got myself big sword

[vague sparrow]

slap together some coal and sulfur and make nobelisks, they make short work of those armoured pigs

[upbeat charm]

How to deal with flowers that periodically release fart cloud?

[vague sparrow]

blow them up with a nobelisk

[upbeat charm]

explosive is solution to everyrhing

[vague sparrow]

They solve alot of problems 😄

[dense violet]

Iron wire is amazing. You can cut copper from a production line

[burnt ferry]

which of the cooling device recipe have you guys used for phase 4.. feels like the 'cooling device' recipe, that consumes motors instead of rubber and water makes more sense, as I need motors for other parts of phase 4 as well.. and the ratio of aluminum:cooling devices is the same..

[vague sparrow]

That makes sense depending on your location

isn't the throughput kinda low though?

[upbeat charm]

If problem persists, it means not enough explosive

words to live by

[vague sparrow]

I dont have iron wire recipe, i keep skipping it, because copper is everywhere 😛

[reef basin]

"usefulness" of a recipe depends on your own preferences. All recipes can be useful

[burnt ferry]

theres a few mycelia plants which need a chainsaw as they are indestructible by explosives

[vague sparrow]

Which ones?

[daring stag]

new meta: go into hypercanon, jetpack with ionized, scan for sloops while you traverse the whole map in one minute

[burnt ferry]

they release floating bubbles when cut... middle of the map, where there is 3 or 4 lakes and the area has a border to the desert as well as the red forest

[burnt ferry]

so it goes chrrrbipchrrbipchrrrbipchrrbipchrrbip and you know not a single location of them slops in the end?

[daring stag]

nah it works, just a bit dangerous on the landing, if it's two elite stingers it will be unpleasant

[burnt ferry]

so you stop flying as soon as you have a signal?

[daring stag]

yea

[burnt ferry]

seems like a huge waste of momentum...

[daring stag]

well if the whole point is to find stuff

[burnt ferry]

i mean you have to stop seconds after launching.. and then search for a while

and then you need to go back to you rhypercanon?

[daring stag]

no I collected more than 50 sloops, they aren't a lot left, some entire regions have 0

[smoky forge]

you dismantle the cannon miliseconds after you exit it

mid air

[daring stag]

then I go back to nearest base which all have an hypercanon already printed

[burnt ferry]

i dont feel its worth the hustle... i mean im not even producing ionized fuel yet and i have pased 50 slops LONG time ago

[daring stag]

well that's the only thing left to do in the world at this point

[smoky forge]

ik ik, ig its just fun for him to search em like that

[daring stag]

I have infinite shards, all depots needed etc, only sloops and 2-3 hard drives still have value out ther

and alien DNA even double slooped dont give tickets anymore

[burnt ferry]

i can see fun being the meta... absolutely... not sure if that was intendedn though 😂

[burnt ferry]

ah.. i misunderstood probably.. your point is to do that after you found like 50 slops as by then theyre scattered far away from each other

[daring stag]

yeah I have more than 50 sloops already

[burnt ferry]

that seems reasonable then...

[daring stag]

rocky desert, grassy plains, huge ass areas have 0

[burnt ferry]

i mean i just use the map 😂 and then i go there directly

[daring stag]

yeah maybe another playthrough but since it's my first I like to find myself

some are kinda hard to find ngl tho

[burnt ferry]

that sounds wrong

they are not equally dense everywhere yes

lemme check the map real quick, im not exactly sure what im talking

[daring stag]

well I looted everything already in radar towers areas

[vague sparrow]

Have you found the one in the desert, low level near a river, inside a rock face

[burnt ferry]

again.... have 0 by now in your savegame, right?

[daring stag]

yes collecetd

[daring stag]

that sounds like a lot of them

[burnt ferry]

ye ok that makes sense then. i thought you meant there really is no slop at all

@daring stag how does your map look like at north east quarter?

[vague sparrow]

its at 171.062/-266.773

[daring stag]

north east is the least developed

[burnt ferry]

started a new savegame recently,,, found surprisingly many slops there

[vague sparrow]

north east part of the deset

[burnt ferry]

many of them just laying in the sand

[daring stag]

I can show you I guess

[burnt ferry]

well maybe 2 in the sand but a lot were really easy to spot

yea you can upload your savegame.. but i dont have the savegame im talking about on my computer and my buddy is on some festival over the weekend, so i cant compare right now

[daring stag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1398939889512484965/1399340955626111067/B1283728-2197-4588-9674-82B180E5046C.png?ex=6888a552&is=688753d2&hm=9f4d027b582f219877b106af1331b7fdc656ac1ce28f183ad455d92ad7f5234f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[burnt ferry]

i just remember, how we had like 10 or 15 slops before even leaving the desert

[daring stag]

but I don't show the sloops location as I want to find them without help

radar tower + canon + scanner + jetpack

[vague sparrow]

Yeah I want to find them myself too

Some are really well hidden though

[daring stag]

it's fun and stingy

[burnt ferry]

thats highly subjective 😂

[daring stag]

yeah I don't remember which one but I was impressed how hidden it was

[burnt ferry]

both the stingers and searching hidden stuff forever, would ruin the game completely for me if i wasnt 'cheating' it

[daring stag]

you get used to stingers

[vague sparrow]

Might be the one I' m talking about lol

[daring stag]

I have mild arachnophobia irl

[burnt ferry]

of course... settings -> game play -> aliens passive

[daring stag]

nah.. hoverpack, enemy scanner, cluster bombs (to pull them), homing ammo

[vague sparrow]

stingers aren't really a threat unless you;re surrounded by 3-6 of them

[burnt ferry]

have you cracked some resource outcrop for it?

[left mauve]

why cant i filter coupons in a programmable splitter?

[daring stag]

they never touch me unless I'm doing something stupid like being on the ground

[burnt ferry]

i like to be surrounded by dozens because they have plenty of alien remains.. the little stingers all can drop up to 4 parts

[daring stag]

hm not sure, at least rocks to explode

[left mauve]

i want to make a container where i can dump my inventory and it sends everything to storage

[vague sparrow]

Oh yeah I love it when they group up so I can cluster bomb them all in 1 go lol

[lost wagon]

Central storage with sushi belt then

[left mauve]

do i just have to pay special attention that i dont dump my coupons?

[burnt ferry]

nah.. thats in 50% of them collectibles... the resource outcrop is really rare. i believe i found only one so far...

[reef basin]

wdym "dump"?

[burnt ferry]

you might feel some 'maga' vibes in your game

[vague sparrow]

Put them in the DD

[left mauve]

yeah thats what i have, just finishing up

[daring stag]

bro I automated packaged ionized fuel with drones isn't that great https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1398939889512484965/1399342155075420212/Screenshot_20250728-124544.png?ex=6888a670&is=688754f0&hm=615a7b0accb2ece5a5752adec5704ff8fb1a54c745a7aa86965770784e82d1de&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1596&height=898

[vague sparrow]

sink 1 for sybertruck car

cybertruck*

[burnt ferry]

the elon musk achievement

[left mauve]

already accidentally unlocked it lol

[left mauve]

so i put all my stuff in a container, then it goes on a sushi belt which splits everything off into its own container with a depot on top, and the overflow gets sinked

[burnt ferry]

the square wheels are both representing the car itself as well as the current us politics (and soon enough eu politics as well ) 😂

[left mauve]

but i cant split off coupons from the sushi line, so basically i can dump everything without thinking except coupons

[lost wagon]

Is it a storage or sink

[burnt ferry]

sounds a bit like you dont have a dimensional depot yet? is that possible?

i put my coupons in my depot always.. would rarely risk to dump them accidentally

[daring stag]

ionized is so stronger than rocket fuel on jetpack. not sure the joule values in game are accurate

to me it's at least twice as long

[lost wagon]

You could also lesve the coupons in the personal storage in the hub

Your awesome shop is most likely close there anyway

[burnt ferry]

nah

i have 20 shops 😂 EVERYWHERE

same as sinks

[left mauve]

no i had more coupons than depot space lol

[burnt ferry]

if no shop is close buy, i build one.. so this doesnt work longterm

[burnt ferry]

no

[lost wagon]

Yea but that's pointless since it doesn't require power and you can just shit one on the spot like mam

[burnt ferry]

of course.. as i said i have my coupons always available

so whenever i feel i nee dsomething from the shop now i build one

[lost wagon]

Yes, but that's with depo

[burnt ferry]

if you put the coupons outside the depot and not into your inventory that doestn work of course... which is my point

[lost wagon]

We're talking about before depot

[burnt ferry]

THATS THE POINT

[burnt ferry]

'we'? no.... i brought the depot up while talking to someone else

[left mauve]

i upgraded my depot its all good

[dense violet]

It only costs a tiny bit more iron per wire than copper. And afaik the difference in pm isn’t huge

[lost wagon]

Also you don't run out of depot space, it's per resource

Anything has a stack of space until you upgrade

[burnt ferry]

i have space for 2500 coupons.. so you had like 500 unused coupons?

[left mauve]

yeah 520

i bought everything now

[lost wagon]

I just leave the coupons unprinted until I need them

[burnt ferry]

yes but.. as you should have found out by now we are not talking about pre depot.. so this makes no sense either when you want to ahve them available

but its surely a sfe place for them no doubt...

i would leave them there because icould just builda sink to get them... but that needs power to access them coupons. and im too lazy to build the power along with it 😂

[left mauve]

yeah i just made a tiny factory that beat the space elevator tier and made the parts for mk6 belts and mk3 blueprints

[lost wagon]

I think I already bought anything that was useful from the shop, everything else is cosmetic useless stuff for me

[left mauve]

and then left my server running for a few days

so i had almost 600 coupons all of a sudden

[burnt ferry]

you can always use the shop to buy some lategame mats to push things

like benann could prolly almost finish phase 4 just from coupons 😂

[lost wagon]

That's the secret, I have towers everywhere lmao

[left mauve]

true lol

i want more coupons tho

the factory must grow

[lost wagon]

I will pay coupons for the game to make the railroad for me

[burnt ferry]

ye we need construction bots

[lost wagon]

Even minecraft has a road machine

[left mauve]

i havent started my trains yet this playthrough

[burnt ferry]

minecraft has copper golems now... they do things for you

[left mauve]

i have all milestones except Monorail Train Technology, Railway Signaling, and Spatial Energy Regulation

[burnt ferry]

i have pushed all these milestones with the shop 😂

if i was you i would build a shop and a hub such that i cann access both without moving 😂

[daring stag]

bro trains are getting me crazy though

it's like the dozen time I fix the blocking signals because trains keep getting stuck

[latent prawn]

some rail layouts are very prone to deadlocking. in addition, a complex section of your rails like you have with a set of stations always has a maximum number of trains that can be inside that section of tracks concurrently before deadlock

[daring stag]

yeah the station is small and the trains are big and they are numerous

I guess I should rebuild the whole station from scratch but I cba

I fix every 30 minutes or so

[latent prawn]

you can sometimes play games with signalling to preclude more than a certain number of trains from entering a given region

like in a completely worst-case, a block signal at the ingress and egress points to the entire station will only allow one train into the complex

[daring stag]

that's what I tried to do indeed

but I don't know how, they still manage to enter in the impossible situation

[vague sparrow]

Best part is forgetting to switch back to regular nobelisk after nuking something and then point blank blowing yourself to 1hp lmao

[daring stag]

I have trains with 1 car, some with 4, they go both way

I guess some circumstances of train number and lengths create the scenario of failure

[latent prawn]

for a while in EA,i was having real problems with trains getting deadlocked becase after save & reload, the game forgot which trains were holding locks. I believe they fixed that, but idk

[daring stag]

nah it happens during a session for me

[rich parrot]

Just remember the simple rules of junctions:

1. Use PATH when you ENTER a junction.
2. Use BLOCK when you EXIT a junction.
   Any point in your grid where a rail is split into two or more is a junction.

[daring stag]

for instance it's locked, I go, I fix, it' locked again 2 hours later (yea I play too much)

[daring stag]

yes I've read that but each time I tried it ended with yellow signs failure

there are too many intersection and entry and exits that I don't even understand myself where is the entry or the exit

[rich parrot]

Do you have bi-directional trains or is there a loop after each station?

[daring stag]

loop I guess? let me canon to it

[rich parrot]

If you have a locomotive on both ends of a train, then it is bi-directional. Regular one-loco trains are unidirectional

[daring stag]

no one only with dual track

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1398939889512484965/1399360468119851048/A601C37C-7F6F-43E4-94F8-82049801FDD1.png?ex=6888b77e&is=688765fe&hm=e565584ed6927157651550072225d47186a51802532bd05686d3e83cb47d3917&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1617&height=898 so this is the station of death

it has only block signals bcoz I never managed to make path work

it has two way stations too and is by far the most busy station

[rich parrot]

Okay, so there must be loops then. It is easy to set up right:

1. Make sure you have a BLOCK right BEFORE each station.
2. Make sure you have a PATH right AFTER each station

And delete all the blocks you have in your setup. Treat the whole thing as one big junction.

[dense violet]

I'm not sure why you woudl do this to yourself

also keep all junctions flat

[daring stag]

well it's too late I have to live with it

[dense violet]

You could just rebuild it

[daring stag]

that would take huge time and probably would still be broken

bcoz I don't understand path signals even if I tried to look at tutorials

let's say I don't have enough cognitive power

[cedar portal]

There seems to be some sort of current bug with placing block signals. I keep getting loop errors as well where there shouldn't be. Related to it sometimes choosing the same color on both sides of the block signal I think.

[daring stag]

the thing is it works 95% of the time. there is just some rare scenarios that create a deadlock

it can run for 2 hours without issue and then boom

I don't know what are these scenarios so I can't prevent them

@rich parrot I thought path were before blocks?

[rich parrot]

You use Path before a rail splits into two, or before it joins with another rail.

Inside junctions you do not need any signals.

[daring stag]

I think on my screenshot we're missing the bit on the right not sure it changes stuff a lot

[stray loom]

The train station in the middle of the picture, which direction do trains come from?

[daring stag]

it's right side traffic

they come from the right all

[stray loom]

Yes but which side of the picture will the be entering from

[daring stag]

the only one using the bottom station comes from north, but then it u-turns

right side of that mess https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1398939889512484965/1399362735367524472/C1DEBD22-ADCC-48CF-809D-0B3FD1CF3422.png?ex=6888b99b&is=6887681b&hm=fafef1ec74d973d9921912995052c3be4bb202ed94991d507be392dc53ebeb4f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1606&height=897

[rich parrot]

It doesn't. If there is a station, just set it up like the rest.

[daring stag]

I guess I can try

[stray loom]

Top left where the switch is should have a signal

[rich parrot]

One of the rails in your latter picture goes above a rail it crosses, so it might cause an issue at some point. As Cobalt said, you should have all your junctions level, or at least so that if rails cross, they touch.

Otherwise trains might interpret a rail as 'free', and crash into another train.

[light ginkgo]

why

[daring stag]

I could redo that sure

[light ginkgo]

why does my biomass burner consume 100 W

I have literally just 7 biomass burners on that grid

and it says "consumption 100W production 100W"

WHYYYYYYYYY

[daring stag]

got the dreaded yellow sign https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1398939889512484965/1399364478444769280/3F7C2FAF-3165-4604-803E-53D20FA18AAC.png?ex=6888bb3a&is=688769ba&hm=cfa1a8dfe9ece4407b0781e5ae4b1ed82be3d1a6d09956177be0a579ec756ad9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1434&height=898

[light ginkgo]

why do you have so many rails in the same block 💀

also interact to get the cause of error

[daring stag]

loops on itself

I think I fixed it by putting the path signals before intersections instead of on intersections

now the whole ass station thing is one color except the station rails

[rich parrot]

Yeah, the game sometimes dislikes signals on intersections

[daring stag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1398939889512484965/1399366711357997066/17190228-0732-4732-BEAC-A09A96BFBC6D.png?ex=6888bd4e&is=68876bce&hm=f052bb2a661d4e4cd9580e3b41a7e8da563b290b4a5d66ad1b55155dfd77374f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1602&height=898

so it will be more bottlenecky than before but at the benefit of not getting deadlocked if I understand, thanks

[rich parrot]

It won't bottleneck, don't worry. Trains will pass both ways if there is a free path, even though it is all the same color.

[daring stag]

well a lot of trains come from the left on this image but they will just wait in line

[rich parrot]

They are looking for a free block, and that is a large junction. Trains going the same way must wait for a free spot somewhere.

[daring stag]

yeah better they wait in the line before the junction that getting deadlocked forever

[rich parrot]

Definitely

[daring stag]

thx it will be great to not have to fix this every 30 to 2 hours

I got confused with drones too, basically it's bad practice to use 2 stations to 1? if they don't want the same thing

like I have drone A taking items intended from drone B

[cedar portal]

Multiple products coming into 1 drone station means you need to have a smart splitter on the output that sends any extras into a sink ot it will eventually jam as one item fills the entire inventory or it jams later down the line on a conveyor.

[daring stag]

yea that's what I ended up doing but looks clunky

[cedar portal]

And wastes the items you sink. Best to just use 2 drone stations, one for each item.

[daring stag]

yea will be better

I expected drones would work like train with whitelist/blacklist items

[cedar portal]

Drones don't have any fancy options like trains. Maybe in a future QOL update.

[daring stag]

they pretty useful in lategame in any case

[cedar portal]

Oh yes, I love drones to death. I do wish i could tell a drone to wait until a full load before leaving, but it's a minor thing.

I have almost 150 drone stations at the moment.

[daring stag]

holy s

that means 75 connections then?

[cedar portal]

All running on Ionized fuel, of course 😄

[daring stag]

ionized is my jam

[silk rose]

Yes if you need those 5 supercomputers at home

[daring stag]

traverse the whole map with canon+ion jetpack

[cedar portal]

Well, not exactly 75. I have a number of stations where 2-3 drones are dropping things off. Some where both stations have drones going back and forth, so hard to tell the exact number.

My favorite is I needed water at a remote location so I have 2 drone stations, each with a drone going back and forth. They are each both bring water to the factory and bringing empty containers back. it's VERy satisfying.

[mortal ginkgo]

Just curious, how do you make sure that drones get the empty containers? I know you can feed them the containers back does your setup got a chance to get stuck etc?

[cedar portal]

Every time a drone lands it both drops off and picks up at the same time. I have enough extra containers on both sides so the packer/unpackers never stall.

Plus, it's probably the ONE place in my factory I actually needed a fluid buffer 😄

That makes sure stuff runs even with the minimal delays the drones can cause.

[mortal ginkgo]

I see, I am more of concerned that eventually both ends will have empty containers so the packagers wont be able to output empty containers.

I guess I shouldn't constantly feed containers and see how they behave with a fixed amount

[daring stag]

this bad boy using 20 GW to make 2.5 nuclear pasta per minute

thank god for rocket fuel and infinite power shards

[cedar portal]

I just threw containers into the system until the destination drone port was 100% full and the other had a few stacks extra.

[mortal ginkgo]

Noted

[cedar portal]

It's also one of the few places I used a load balancer, to make sure the empty containers all got filled up and didn't get piled up in machine buffers if I just used a manifold.

So a fluid buffer and a load balancer in that system, makes it a rare beast for me

To be honest I probably don't NEED either of those but it felt right to add in the extra saftey margins

[mortal ginkgo]

but wouldn't manifold eventually solve the issue? considering one drone port would nom nom all the containers, and then other one starts to get it?

with programable splitters it could be a "faster manifold"

[cedar portal]

I do have a container buffering the water before it gets sent via drone, so I could just add more containers until thats half full. But I do like seeing a load of water come in and get processed fast enough that it's finished before the other drone can even land to pick them up.

[latent prawn]

the trick is to have storage containers to buffer the input & outputs of the drone port. you add fluid containers until one or the other storage container has a little bit in it and let that be your steady state

[dense violet]

use a container buffer insteadf

[latent prawn]

ideally, i'd think about balanced-splitting the packager inputs so that all of them kick off when a new load arrives, but if you have a steady surplus, they'll run until a buffer somewhere is full, and then stop

[upbeat charm]

Is it unusual for tractor to fell off a cliff while auto pilot?

[latent prawn]

quite expected

[upbeat charm]

welp

there goes some resources

[ruby marlin]

hmm anyone else run into the issue where you add a blueprint to the to do list, but it instead takes a totally different blueprint and adds

[latent prawn]

they'll eventually return to the path, but it's pretty derpy, lol

[upbeat charm]

wait it just came back

wat

You sure this is a factory game and not horror game?

[latent prawn]

vehicles are always scary in this game, careful you don't get run over!

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, have you played the game at night where larger stingers spawn? kek

[upbeat charm]

Oh look a cave

surely something not scary reside in there

[silk rose]

As snutt said they will ghost if they cant

[daring stag]

surely there wouldn't be a somersloop guarded by giant monsters, why would they guard it

[latent prawn]

they sometimes can't and then do crazy s***

[vague sparrow]

trucks and tractors reset themselves when they go off the set path

[ruby marlin]

or maybe just my blueprints thats corrupt, they even change icon each time i click the category

[cedar portal]

Yeah, like I said it's not REEALLY needed but does handle things in case for whatever reason the unpackagers have a momentary issue. More there so I can mess around with rebuilding and redesigning stuff and not have to worry about antyhing stalling.

[silk rose]

If it isnt 600/min

[wraith panther]

I kinda burnt myself out of satisfactory, how can I get myself back in the game? I wanna do a new play through but I always find myself doing the same thing. Any tips?

[cedar portal]

If I need to shut down my unpackagers to rebuild them then a liquid water buffer is nice

[south sinew]

start in a different starting zone

or build your base with a totally different design, like building a centralised base instead of a decentralised one

[dense violet]

treat tiers 1-9 as a tutorial to do your own projects in a sandbox once you've gotten everything unlocked

[void gorge]

Play on controller

[dense violet]

why? when it's rebuilt your packagers can't consume more fluid per min than what your pipes do anyway

[cedar portal]

If I disassemble my unpackers to make a nicer looking setup, the fluid buffer will let things run while I do that

[wraith panther]

Thank you for the ideas!

[dense violet]

why does that matter though? you'll just have a bunch of fluid after with nothing to do with it?

[radiant swallow]

i was just building my factory, minding my business and a random "power grid died" sound played and i had a heart attack. luckily it was a random powergrid somewhere, probably a HDD powergrid and not the main powergrid lol

[turbid gazelle]

Do you guys think that ada will ever talk or communicate with cursed ada?

[cedar portal]

The fluid buffer full of water keeps the machines that use the water running for any interruption. It wwas there from when I was building the system and doing lots of teardowns and rebuilds. I still plan on making the unpackagers look better so the buffer is there for when I do that

[smoky forge]

a question, why packagers? is it for diluted packaged fuel?

[radiant swallow]

@vague sparrow im not clicking that lol

[vague sparrow]

@radiant swallow #screenshots message

I'm working on it, this is just the last thing i need

[dense violet]

ok sure... but why do you need to keep it from being interupted?

[vague sparrow]

it's a gimp file

[dense violet]

if it's process isn't going to be used?

[vague sparrow]

I wrote working on it on a small piece of paper in gimp lol

I did not think it was going to be a download

Maybe should've saved it under another format, so it would just show

2:00 battery left, I need only 4 more pasta lmao

[cedar portal]

No, it's packaged water. I have a remote factory making cooling systems which needs water, but there isn't any water nearby. So drones bring water there and take empty containers back to put back into the cycle. The fluid buffer isn't NEEDED but it's an extra saftey margin so it makes me happy.

[white dawn]

lol @ VR troll vid

[cedar portal]

It's a process that is feeding the rest of my factory, it needs to keep running

[dense violet]

but if it's not getting packaged .. is it still feeding anything? just... very confused

[vague sparrow]

Once I finish building my new powerplant I will have 220GW of power, I just happened to complete phase 4 before that

[fiery pewter]

So for my planned oil power plant that uses the diluted packaged fuel recipe, I need 720 fuel per minute, so I also need 720 packaged fuel per minute.

Can I, to just kickstart the plant, put a stack of packaged fuel in each of the packagers, so that the empty canisters circle back to the water packagers, that then kick in, produce the packaged water, that goes to the refineries, that produce the packaged fuel, etc etc, whilst the fuel flows to the refineries to make turbofuel, which then flows to the generators to make power, or will I run into a deficit of empty canisters?

[cedar portal]

Water gets packaged at a water source, tken by drone to a remote factory and unpackged there. The buffer is at the site where it's unpackaged just as an extra saftey measure in case the water delivery is unterupted

[humble osprey]

They should have the trains do a voiceline when they arrive at a station like how some places do

"Cadmium station, arrived"

With a little jingle

[fiery pewter]

Mathematically, I shouldn't, since I only produce 720 packaged water, and turn that into 720 Packaged fuel, so it should be fine

Right?

[dense violet]

you'll have an easier time if you make a loop of hte packagers

packater -> ref -> unpackager, and back

[fiery pewter]

Well, if you sit in trains and open the menu, you see stuff like "please mind the gap" and that sort of stuff, so I think something like that might be coming

[fiery pewter]

Well that is the plan

[dense violet]

ah then a stack of empties will prob do you yes

[fiery pewter]

Alrighty then

Shouldn't I do the packaged fuel tho, because then the power generators will kick in

And I have a slight itch that my measly coal plants won't be able to start it

[dense violet]

you'll need to let that spin up and flood the whole system anyway

so that won't really be useful

[upbeat charm]

4 Normal Coal Deposits

[fiery pewter]

Yeah that's fair

[dense violet]

under clock a few gens on each line to like 50% and let the whole thing fill up

[fiery pewter]

Will do that then
-# this fool is talking about his oil power plant whilst he isn't even out of phase 2, smh, he didn't even build his factory yet

Yes, I was talking about myself

[dense violet]

pre phase 3 oil plants are fine? you can do diluted packaged fuel VERY early

personaly I wait until tier 7 but that's not for everyone

[fiery pewter]

With out of phase 2, I mean like, I have yet to make the parts to complete phase 2

I will have like, I think, somethink like 72 coal generators

[dense violet]

eh, you do you 🙂 64 coal gens tend to keep me till t7

[fiery pewter]

And will go hard drive hunting for the required alt recipes

[fiery pewter]

Tier 7?

My tier 4/5 factory already needs 4400 MW

[dense violet]

yup! I let my factories back up and go idle when the buffer storage is full though.

[fiery pewter]

Yeah I tend to overflow everything into sinks

I like the movement

[dense violet]

and I probably build less than that going up the tiers

[fiery pewter]

Wait, my dumbass just realized
Tier 7= oil power

[atomic notch]

I just get to 69k

Call it good

[dense violet]

tier 7 is bauxite

phase 4

[fiery pewter]

I forgore

Wai, I meant tier 3 and 4

I manage to confuse myself quite well

[atomic notch]

Lol oil is 5-6

[fiery pewter]

Ah

[atomic notch]

P3

[tidal epoch]

im going stragight and the map is not ending

how long is thee map

[fiery pewter]

Yeah its been 5 months since I've seen that part of the unlock screen

[silk rose]

Like 3x3 km

[fiery pewter]

Well, there is a killzone, so you're prolly still within bounds

[tidal epoch]

whats a killzone

[fiery pewter]

You die if you go there

Around the edges, beneath and above the map

[silk rose]

World boundary

[fiery pewter]

At certain distances

[mortal dirge]

I'm on my first playthrough on phase 2 with all tiers complete. I think I'm about to hit my power limit with only 4 coal generators. Should I build more coal or wait for fuel?

[tidal epoch]

are those visible on map?

[fiery pewter]

More coal

[tidal epoch]

make 8 for safety

[fiery pewter]

No, well, yes, the black parts of the map

[mortal dirge]

The water where I built my coal plants only has room for one extractor. Ugh.

[fiery pewter]

Where is your coal plant then?

[dense violet]

gotta plan for that 🙂

if you're in the grassy fields build your power northwest, there's a lake and lots of coal

[tidal epoch]

oh i understand now, you are near the Pure coal mine

you can run 2 gens with that one

but u need to move to the area where 4 coal gens aree

[mortal dirge]

Yeah, I'll probably do a big teardown and pipe the coal to the water. Seems like a better idea than the inverse.

[fiery pewter]

That's easier

[fiery pewter]

Wai wha-

1×120 belt is 8 generators?

[silk rose]

One is 15

Not OC

[fiery pewter]

One Generator takes 15 coal per minute

But if it's a pure node, you have a 120 belt, which can run 8 generators

[mortal dirge]

Yeah, I think it is the pure node that I'm using

[fiery pewter]

Yeah then you can run 8 coal generators just fine

[mortal dirge]

Just need the water

[dense turtle]

is there something i can use to see where i need fluid pumps

[fiery pewter]

No, but there is some logic

[vestal mica]

anywhere water needs to go up

and it wasn't already up earlier in the network

[autumn skiff]

how to not die from gas?

[vestal mica]

you can unlock gas masks in hte mam

[dense turtle]

qi have no logic

[fiery pewter]

Gas mask

[autumn skiff]

where?

which tree?

[vestal mica]

mushroom tree i think

mycelia

[ruby marlin]

man using the "mark alot" option when scrapping stuff is dangerous, found out i had removed a power cable suddenly all hell broke lose 😄 took a while to spot the issue hehe

[fiery pewter]

When pipe goes uppies, and pipe is empty at the top, place pump at bottom

[vestal mica]

when you place a pump it will show you a little blue hologram of how far it will push the water. also once it's powered and pumping, you can interact with it and it will show you how much head lift it is providing

[fiery pewter]

And when you then hold another pump on that same pipeline, you see a blueprint like cirkel at the place where the previous pump stopped lifting. Pumps snap to that blue part

[fiery pewter]

Yeah that can be very dangerous

[vestal mica]

you can also unlock explosives in the sulfur tree and just kill the things that make gas

[woven plover]

Cirkel

[radiant swallow]

is there a way to mirror blueprints?

[woven plover]

Scandinavian spotted?

[fiery pewter]

More likely a germanic

Cirkel

Heheheh

[woven plover]

Oh alr

[fiery pewter]

Uhh yes, go into the blueprint designer and make the same blueprint, but mirrorerd

[radiant swallow]

sigh

[woven plover]

Yeah this isnt factorio unfortunately

[fiery pewter]

But mirroring probably will come out the same as just scrolling with your mousewheel and turning the blueprint around

[radiant swallow]

it doesnt

[fiery pewter]

Huh

[radiant swallow]

i just want to flip outputs and make the belts go the other way, you know mirror the blueprint

[fiery pewter]

Oh just that

[radiant swallow]

i am painfully reminded again and again

[woven plover]

LMAO

[fiery pewter]

Yeag, you gotta make a new blueprint for that

[radiant swallow]

i have to create another whole ass blueprint while i have to simply press H in factorio lmao

[fiery pewter]

Yep

[vestal mica]

factorio is also 2d on a fixed grid and only one thing can be in each space and the orientation is all cardinal directions, so "mirroring" is a lot easier to do.

easy to build a blueprint in satisfactory where mirroring would lead to weird results

[radiant swallow]

not really though.

mirroring is literally just that, mirror the entire thing on the X-axis

[radiant swallow]

again, not really

[vestal mica]

again, really

[radiant swallow]

it really doesn't end up in weird results, especially when building on foundations where you are literally creating the grid system lol

[vestal mica]

you don't have to follow the grid in the blueprint

[fiery pewter]

Wait, aren't you the same guy that was desperately trying to convince everyone that turbofuel wasn't worth the hassle a few days ago?

[vestal mica]

there is no easy way to determine where to "mirror" or what to do with items that aren't symmetrical to any axis compared ot other items

[radiant swallow]

since i built a 20GW turbo fuel generator for phase 3 and 220GW rocket fuel generator for phase 4, no

[fiery pewter]

Ah, then it was someone else

Lol

[radiant swallow]

yeah uh

no lmao

[radiant swallow]

wdym "where to mirror"

you can even only turn buildings on the x-axis

mirroring is literally just "take building, mirror the entire thing on the x-axis"

[livid kernel]

I love being able to mirror buildings in games, really hope they implement it

[radiant swallow]

yeah see, this guy gets it too

so much annoying stuff can be resolved by simply mirroring blueprints

[fiery pewter]

Depends on how easy it would be to code

[radiant swallow]

for example, let's take refineries (because i need to build a few hundred more eventually)

if you mirror them, you can have the fluid and solid input directly next to each other

that would not only look neat, but solve a lot of logistical issues

[fiery pewter]

Because the splitters and or mergers have to turn around, as well as the belts inbetween them

[livid kernel]

I mean, most factory building games, or really logistics games in general, have it. So I don't think it would be that hard

[vestal mica]

there is a difference between having multiple versions of a building where inputs are swapped and mirroring an entire blueprint

[white dawn]

There's more work involved than just "why not mirror the buildings?"

[fiery pewter]

Isn't that already the case?

[radiant swallow]

no

[white dawn]

CSS have addressed it at least once in the past; they've just never considered it worth all the work

Instead of thinking of it as an annoyance, just think of it as Another Problem To Solve

[radiant swallow]

....

[fiery pewter]

You're telling me that the inputs in the refinerery aren't next to eachother?

[white dawn]

The game's got some limitations you're intended to work with; having buildings with inputs in specific places is just one of those limitations

[fiery pewter]

I don't think so funny man

[radiant swallow]

that is not a great way to look at problems and is a little too aggressively optimisitc

[white dawn]

I mean: CSS have said they are extremely unlikely to ever do it

[radiant swallow]

i mean't it this way: currently we have S-L-S-L

if i mirror the building i could have L-S-S-L

[dense violet]

It's also not really a problem. Some people will just have an aneurysm if things aren't exactly how they expect or want

[white dawn]

IMO it's a great way to look at the "problem" of not having mirrored buildings, because there is no other solution. :)

[fiery pewter]

Oh like that, they certainly wouldn't do that, would make it way to easy

[white dawn]

(Well, okay, there's mods, of course. :)

[fiery pewter]

Eggsactly

[dense violet]

someone the other day went on a tirade about how a reading of inconsistent headlift, that didn't impact the machines, was 'game breaking'

[radiant swallow]

saying "people will have an aneurism when things aren't exactly the way they want it to be" is also not really a nice argument to bring.

what i would like to have: just to mirror buildings so i can make it look a little more neat and some quality of life, not to have half the game completely reworked lol

[livid kernel]

It's not a problem, or even a need. It's just one of those very nice to have things. The only thing it makes easier is cleanliness of the build and that takes time regardless if you're able to mirror or not

[radiant swallow]

exactly this

[white dawn]

It's not that I don't understand that folks might want mirrored buildings. I have also had factory layouts where, sure, in an ideal world I'd've had mirrored blenders or whatever. But the solution is just to have slightly different piping/belting solutions on each "side" of the factory

If CSS have already said that mirrored buildings are unlikely to happen, why waste mental energy on it?

Just work within the constraints of the game and get on with your factory building

If you want mirrored buildings, your best shot is to upvote any of posts about it on the Questions site; that's the main way CSS gauges how popular feature requests are

[radiant swallow]

if enough people ask for something, the devs might still implement it

[radiant swallow]

yeah

[white dawn]

Right, sure, so go upvote on the Questions site.

Just saying that A) it's more work to implement than you might think it is, and B) CSS have mentioned in the past that they just don't think it's worth the effort. They may change their minds, of course! They've changed their minds in the past.

Believe me, this is not the first time it's been brought up. :) They know that people have been asking for it.

[dense violet]

sure, but a lot of people make a huge deal about it and my sympathy runs out fast for them

[radiant swallow]

side question, are 200GW enough power for phase 5?

[fiery pewter]

Just realised I said cirkel instead of circle, lmaoooo

[woven plover]

😄

[unkempt blade]

Short answer: yeah that should be plenty. Long answer: power is basically just a limiter on how much you can build and how fast stuff gets done. You could finish it with less or you could build tons of stuff, overclock a lot, etc. and still run out

[radiant swallow]

alright. i mean there is one building that i plan on overclocking and slooping, which will be the particle accelerator for nuclear pasta so i specifically made enough power for that one single building lol

[unkempt blade]

my 1.0 save had around 250GW and we didn't come close to using it all until we really leaned into overclocking+slooping near the end

[true swan]

so i just finished phase 1 in the northern forest. my next goals are obviously coal power and steel production. right now i'm nearly maxing out 15 solid biofuel generators to produce all my early game items and it's tricky to keep up with the fuel even though it's literally everywhere. I assume it makes more sense to get coal power before steel, since the steel production will require that extra power and also to reduce my reliance on wood and leaves. my plan is to set up a little outpost in the lake to the southeast with three pure coal veins. the plan was to run wires between the main factory and outpost, set up coal generators on site, and truck some of the remaining coal back to the factory to make steel. what i don't know how to plan for is how much coal to stick in generators vs steel production. if I send more coal than i need for steel i'll end up with less power to use, but if i overdo it on power production I won't have enough coal left to make all the steel i will need. is there a good way to plan out how much i will need or do I just need to trial and error it?

this is my second save, but I only got partway through phase 2 in my first one before restarting

so i'm approaching new territorry

[fathom shuttle]

Do signals work with blueprint auto connect?

[autumn skiff]

what is the experimental power generation in the sulfur research tree?

[fathom shuttle]

Very good stuff

[fluid sapphire]

It's simple: don't do coal power and steel at the same location, you can easily make the power further away and cable it back

[fathom shuttle]

I’m going on a final hard drive hunt

[fluid sapphire]

As for how much coal to use for the generators, you will probably want at least 8 generators, so math accordingly

at least to start, it's helpful if you can later double that, potentially

[true swan]

hmm there's another 3 pure nodes some distance to the west but there's no good path for trucks because a river is in the way. i could use that coal for power and the easier to reach coal for steel, i suppose - i think i can reach it with starting wires

[fluid sapphire]

It's a good plan, I don't think trucks are worth it tbh, the coal you use for powering the trucks is better spent on either power or steel

[true swan]

i didn't even know you could power trucks on coal, i only tried with biofuel so far lol

[fluid sapphire]

Ah, well, manually fueling them will get tedious I would think

[true swan]

you're absolutely right. i'll look over the area agaiun and try to figure out what will work best, thanks for the advice about seperating steel and power

[fluid sapphire]

No probs, back to work

[pure condor]

do you guys also have keep inventory on or is it just me

I die from fall damage too much

[true swan]

i shamelessly leave it on keep inventory and creatures retaliate because i like the building and exploring more than the survival aspects

[bold lily]

yeah I'm the same, I'm mainly here for the math and problem solving of factory production so I turn some of the more challenging settings down/off. End of the day those settings are there to allow people to play how they want

[true swan]

agreed, games should be fun, especially non-competitive ones. use the settings that maximize your personal joy and minimize your personal suffering

[livid kernel]

one pure node can power 8 gens

[tidal epoch]

conssole commands

[livid kernel]

for just starting coal, I'd dedicate 1 node to power, and keep the plants localish to the nodes

[willow glen]

there’s also the problem of falling into the void or above the ceiling, and having an unreachable death crate. Keep inventory on prevents that from being an issue, and allows you to explore more freely. This game is part about exploration, despite its factory theme

[livid kernel]

you also need a minimum of 90 coal for steel if you want the machines to run constantly. That gives you 150 coal to play with where you can up power or steel, up to you

[true swan]

ooh that's also helpful advice. i know one pure vein will run 8 generators, hadn't looked at the foundry numbers yet. I see each foundry is 45/m each iron and coal and it sounds like you suggest two foundries at minimum. but I notice that three foundries underclocked to 40 from 45 should also fully utilize a single pure vein, right? seems a little more organized

[livid kernel]

I said min 90 because that's 2 foundries, and steel beams take 60/m and steel pipes take 30/m

so your 2 earliest steel products use exactly 90 if you do 1 machine of each

[true swan]

ahhh so i'd have leftover ingots with three, got it

it's hard to get out of the mindset of more = always better

[livid kernel]

Your idea isn't bad though

If you want to do that, just make 2 pipe constructors

[true swan]

oh yeah that would work

[livid kernel]

you'll still have 120 spare though.

I can tell you I only had 8 coal gens until I reached fuel power, but I also didn't care if some things took longer to build up. I wasn't making any massive factories for anything yet

[true swan]

i'm trying to focus on building neatly and elegantly this time since my first attempt was unsurprisingly total spaghetti. so i'm going pretty slowly and focusing on using my space and resources as effectively as I can without boxing myself in from future growth: #screenshots message

[smoky forge]

i find myselfe guilty

but i am able to ignore quite some things i must say

[true swan]

also am i the only one who thinks northern forest should be the first "ideal" option and the current first option should be the third "more advanced" one?

[smoky forge]

no

[true swan]

two and four seem about right though

well i haven't tried 4 but if it's as low on biomass as the title card says i believe it lol

[smoky forge]

yeah u gotta run like a mile for just some early game fuel

besides that its pretty good ig

[fathom shuttle]

I got 20 now

I got the 100 hard drives achievement and gathered a few more to get all alts

[unkempt blade]

North forest is definitely my favorite spot but new-player-me would have struggled more dealing with some of the cliffs and stuff than I do now. Rocky Desert is the most noob-friendly spot imo

[dense cave]

helo guys

[ashen spruce]

Any Train Enthusiast? Please check #screenshots

[dense cave]

is there any faq channels to do with game mechanics

[bold lily]

the beauty of the game I've found is that as you move up the tiers and unlock more resources, as well as having more items to sink for tickets to then buy foundations, walls, architecture, your factories can become a lot neater than your first build. It can allow you to rebuild your starting factory/base and make it more polished than you starting with. For me personally, ever since reaching Tier 7 all I've done for the past 60 or so hours of gameplay is rebuild my iron, copper and limestone factories as well as neatly organise oil and coal power in 2 spots away from my base. It may not be progress in the way of moving up milestones/tiers, but it's progress in making the most of the resources available to me and prepare to expand more

[smoky forge]

make a #1038092680493801533

[ashen spruce]

You can either check the wiki or look around in #faq (I guess)

[ashen spruce]

Too lazy.

[livid kernel]

I love how refunds are 100% right at the start. It makes tearing down and rebuilding a facory completely guilt free

[ashen spruce]

I don't want to wait three years for a response.

[dense cave]

that one is all about game release and other stuff, i checked

ig ima just ask it here

so the fuse box is blowing up constantly, from a biomass generator