satisfactory

[dreamy scroll]

You're so reliable. Somebody asks about alts "just pick whatever you like". Amuses me to see you pop up.

[reef basin]

so it's funny that I answer a question?

[dreamy scroll]

I'm sure you understood what I just said, not sure a follow up is needed.

[bright helm]

Question to those who finished the game. What was the hardest space elevator stage to complete? (U can tag ur message as a spoiler)

[reef basin]

same "funny" would be the person that answers with their favorite recipe all the time 🤷

[dreamy scroll]

I'm not sure where you think this conversation is going Greeny but it's nowhere useful.

[reef basin]

and I'd rather answer truthfully than "force" the person to use what I consider good

[dreamy scroll]

You don't have to justify yourself to me, I'm just amused by it.

[versed vault]

I can reroll each harddrive once? Or just once in general?

[reef basin]

each once

[shy mulch]

I think of "difficulty" as a jump in complexity between a tier and the next. For me that would be ||going from tier 3 to tier 4||, I feel like that was the biggest jump which was a challenge. ||Going from tier 4 to tier 5 wasn't as much of a jump||

[versed vault]

Atm I am not picking anything because I have no idea what is good, is there a decent strategy to get good recipes?

[shy mulch]

just get all of them, there are more hard drives than recipes

[humble osprey]

Guys I'm afraid of finishing the game

[versed vault]

oh ok, yeah I haven't been to the north of the map at all

I might make a hypertube cannon to explore some

[reef basin]

if you have no idea what is good, how can you know when you get a "good" recipe to pick? 😛

(also, practically all recipes are good at something)

[shy mulch]

No such thing as "finishing" the game 🙂

[versed vault]

Some are obviously good, others I don't know about

[humble osprey]

I'm scared once I finish project assembly I won't have anything else to do (pls no spoilers)

[reef basin]

well, since you can get all of them anyway, there's no harm in picking anything that looks good to you

[shy mulch]

That's the end of the game telling you what to do, after that you can choose your own goals, there will be lots of things you can still achieve and build

[humble osprey]

Go and get the satisfactory modeller on steam. It is free.

You can mess around with it with different recipies and see what the advantages and disavangaes of each recipe are.

[humble osprey]

Like Minecraft?

[reef basin]

personally I'd say modeller isn't great for this. It's good for planning once you have the whole setup calculated

(but even that I'd do ingame instead of in modeller)

[shy mulch]

Have a scroll through #screenshots and you'll get the idea

[humble osprey]

I see, I like the fact that you can quickly compare the ratios of different recipies, and check the power consumption, and what materials you will and wont need.

[reef basin]

I wouldn't call modeller quick, given you ahve to do it all manually. for example in SFTools I can compare it in a few seconds

[humble osprey]

Fair enough.

I hadn't considered that other softwares also exist

[versed vault]

Thanks for that tip I was looking for an app like that to plan

[shy mulch]

Power doesn't need to be a constraint. You can make 100x more power than you need and connect everything to one grid then it's one less thing to think about

[reef basin]

you can also check others in #welcome

though I'd warn against using SCIM's planner, it's pretty bad

[humble osprey]

Some people want to consider it so I thought I'd mention it but, yeah you're right, even I don't worry about power much

[humble osprey]

What is SCIM's planner?

[reef basin]

satisfactory-calculator's one

[humble osprey]

Ah

[little sonnet]

Do blueprints get transferred when using using another computer on steam cloud or whatever or just the world

[humble osprey]

Is there some disadvantage about the satisfactory modeller that I should know tho?

[spice patio]

No, BPs are not cloud synced.

[round shell]

Started with a plan and actually got something done, shocker
Fully utilised pure caterium node making quickwire

[little sonnet]

But everything else is (aside from character inventory)?

Also are there any nice looking factory shell blueprints that I can fill with my own machines

[reef basin]

I'd say the disadvantage is tons of manual work, while some other planners can do it all for you 🤷

but some people like that, so idk

[versed vault]

does sftools not support turbofuel or am I missing something? Says couldn't calculate results

[daring stag]

I should play a train tycoon game after this one

ths is stuff is hard but interesting to manage

[humble osprey]

Get a civil engineering degree as well

[daring stag]

nah I'm developer already

bringing ocean water to grassy plains, doable?

there's a mountain between the two

[humble osprey]

Yes but a big pain

Do it if you want to

[daring stag]

from the cliff, waterfall

you avoid mountain

[humble osprey]

Training it would be the best solution depending how much you need

[dense violet]

you need to enable those recipes in the alt recipe list

they aren't base recipes

[reef basin]

have tou selected the alternate recipes you need for it? usually compacted coal + one of the turbofuel alts

[daring stag]

time to do this monster https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5Zpg4pAbgAEkywaV7FJm

[fluid sapphire]

if you are already making that, might as well scale it up a bit

[round shell]

Finding water in the plains during my first play through when I didn't know anything and was trying not to spoil, miserable

[daring stag]

yea but actually just go to the waterfall and it's all downward to the plains

on the world edge cliffs

[round shell]

At the time I was assuming the monsters would get meaner the further I went

[daring stag]

well they do. but paradise island is unfinished

but you can't know that when starting ofc

[versed vault]

I did not do that, thanks for the tip

[empty hemlock]

I've gotten a production plan/layout from satisfactory calculator, but is there a good way to work out what layout the machines should be placed in?

[fluid sapphire]

try to consider where you want the inputs and outputs of machine blocks to be

where one ends and another starts

[empty hemlock]

oh yeah good point, thanks :)

[fluid sapphire]

also, leave more space than you think you need xd

[dense violet]

also avoid it's 'realistic view' like the plague. It's... just the worst

[fluid sapphire]

the whole planner just seems like an unintuitive mess to me

[empty hemlock]

ah ok
so when it says I need 1.2 constructors for iron plates, with 23.99 out, should I have 1 constructor with 20 out and another with 3.99 out? or have them do about half each? or does it not really matter

[fluid sapphire]

it doesnt matter, thats probably closer to 24 though than 23.99, likely a rounding error

[empty hemlock]

oh yeah true

[fluid sapphire]

you could have one constructor clocked to 120%

underclocking saves you a tiny bit on power though, overclocking uses a little extra

[dense turtle]

is there a easier way to connect machines to power? like theres mass demolition with ctrl

[dense violet]

connect them up in blueprints?

[fathom shuttle]

You need 8.7k quartz for max aluminum

Kinda dumb ngl

[reef basin]

you don't need max aluminum tho 😛

[dense violet]

then don't max aluminium 😛

you need all the sam in the world to max ficsonium rods- solution? don't max ficsonium

[empty hemlock]

If I have 2 machines that output at 13u/m and 15u/m, can I just plug them into a merger and then split them into the 2 machines that require them at a 12u/m and 16u/m rate? or do I have to overclock a machine to get the correct production rate

[reef basin]

yes, you can just do that

[empty hemlock]

oh sick thanks

[fathom shuttle]

I’m surprised at how much it takes

70% of all quartz

[dense violet]

that's the beauty of manifolds. all it cares about is enough parts per min and a belt that can handle it

[dense violet]

lots of silly things in the world you can do

that is certainly one of them

[boreal musk]

finally unlocked mk6 after 55hrs, now i can start my mega project for endgame

[little sonnet]

does the power from train stations carry infinitely?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea

[little sonnet]

okay sick thanks

[fathom shuttle]

True

[dense turtle]

is there like a half floor

for coupons

okay i found it

cant afford it

[light ginkgo]

uhm

why are my power lines funky

blueprint and powerline exploded

[dense turtle]

im now rebuilding my old factories, and i have improved so much, u could say i feel... satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

formative pioneer experience

[daring stag]

I just keep building new factories

there is infinite resources

[lean ferry]

Guys what is better rocket fuel recipe? I can choose between default nitro or default with turbo blend, I’m making it in the bottom right of ma (I think it’s called blue crater? I forgot) I want to save oil and sulfur, coal and nitrogen and iron don’t matter

[reef basin]

that depends whether you value skipping a step or saving resources

[lean ferry]

I want to save resources, I don’t mind power and I don’t mind steps (it’s a factory game anyways I don’t wana make everything simple I don’t mind complexity)

[reef basin]

then use e.g. Satisfactory Tools, enable all recipes and see what it comes up with

[lean ferry]

ok thanks (you were the one that made it right? I use it for most of my builds lol)

I find that nitro rocket uses ALOT more sulfur, and turbo blend uses like 40/50 more oil for no coal and much less sulfur

I am making it in blue crater so I might do a mix of nitro and turbo blend because there’s 5 coal nodes

[fluid sapphire]

even if you make 4800 nitro rocket fuel at the crater, you will still have 7200 sulfur left on the map

[daring stag]

180 buildings needed for turbo motor factory

that's still 72 buildings even if you 250% every single one

[pastel carbon]

Check out the default turbofuel and rocket fuel recipes

[lean ferry]

What recipe

[pastel carbon]

I find that that gives a good mix between sulfur and oil at the cost of more buildings and marginally increased complexity

[daring stag]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=wiFLbjlD0348ww870uY1

[azure urchin]

i sent you a dm with comparisons

[lean ferry]

Honestly at this point, get some sumersloop a and make pressure motor

[daring stag]

pressure motor? I have electric turbo motor but not pressure motor

and the MAM says I have no more drive recipe

[fluid sapphire]

have you completed tier 8?

[lean ferry]

Did you get particle accelerator thingy milestone

[daring stag]

I need to do particle enrichment, just crafter 50 turbo motor by hand

[fluid sapphire]

yeh

[daring stag]

and all the milestones will be ok

[lean ferry]

The absolute GOAT awesome shop

Don’t forget that exists

[dense turtle]

wait if im making 500 screws per minute tier 3 belt manifold wont cut it right?

i need to divide it to 2 parts

[daring stag]

I need them tickets for achievements tho

[fluid sapphire]

thats the thing with screws, you cant really force them into manifolds

[dense turtle]

wdym

[lean ferry]

They have a stack of 500 so they take ages to buffer

[fluid sapphire]

large number, not fit on belt, direct feed is a better bet

personally i hate that so i dont use screws at all

[reef basin]

make screws in front of machine that needs them

[daring stag]

screws for the screw god

[humble osprey]

More screws

We should be able to condense screws ngl

[reef basin]

we are able to do that

one steel beam is 52 condensed screws

[humble osprey]

Like yk how u can condense iron ingots into iron blocks in minecraft

Imagine there was an item called "packed screws" That held 10 screw items

[humble osprey]

Fair enough

[daring stag]

I need to hunt for sloops

[fluid sapphire]

1 "Screws" is really a box of screws, so in that sense its already compressed

[daring stag]

swamp should be where I go

[dense turtle]

im suprised there isnt a mod

[fluid sapphire]

they are already packed into a box

[daring stag]

I came back to my starter base, shit is still using mk1 belt

I'll just upgrade liberally

[dense turtle]

im wondering how they need 50 boxes of screws for some steel beam

[fluid sapphire]

its the opposite, you can make screws from the beam

[dense turtle]

so i guess thats what kept clogging my factory

[fluid sapphire]

if you want efficiency you always have to consider how much your belts can carry

[daring stag]

I'd like to make at least one drone for fun

what would be the best use

[fluid sapphire]

make a loop of 2 that deliver fuel to each other

[daring stag]

alien depot makes a lot of stuff useless I feel

why use a drone when I can teleport items

[fluid sapphire]

you cant use the depot to automate logistics

[daring stag]

true it's more for single use like quest items

[reef basin]

because you want to move items from node to factory

[fluid sapphire]

thats like the worst use for a drone

[daring stag]

also I unlocked the last tier 8 milestone

I need to unlock the motor you spoke of

and since I have all milestones I can start phase 4 quest items.. this will hurt

turbo pressure motor (100% rate) needs 125 buildings, or 125/2.5=50, still big but I think doable https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=3CZBjeQJjz88VLxz3iRi

[fluid sapphire]

ya'll are absolutely out of your minds with those complex graphs

[dense violet]

you can break down the larger plans into smaller hubs in other tabs

and drones can be used for any amount of items honestly

[fluid sapphire]

thats what i do, any time i see one of these though, i dont get how ya'll can look at that and not lose your mind

[daring stag]

column by column

[fluid sapphire]

yeah if there were clearly defined columns, maybe, its such a soup though

[reef basin]

yeah the tables are great for this

[fathom shuttle]

30 minutes until the plutonium reactors are turned on

[hard ivy]

That's turbo electric motor lol

[uncut trail]

how tf do i stop fuel going back through pipe from fluid storage

[reef basin]

• don't have fluid storage
• loop the pipe
• don't care about backflow

[daring stag]

uh, I guess the tool choose electric over pressure

I have almost all recipes except plutonium stuff

[lean ferry]

Guys rocket fuel is a gas right? So no pumps for head lift

[uncut trail]

i have 2 pipes coming from refinery going to one pipe which goes to fluid storage and that pipe holds more fuel than fluid storage bcs of backflow

[lean ferry]

Because if it doesn’t need head lift I’m planning to just make a really tall tower of fuel gens

[uncut trail]

i even have fluid pump but its not helping

[shy mulch]

yes rocket fuel is a gas, no pumps needed

[reef basin]

buffers make more issues

[lean ferry]

Ok then I’m making a fuel generator tower then

[daring stag]

it's really good that I kept my starter base untouched, now I come back to it and see how shitty it is lol. but it still produces useful parts like automated wiring, so I can improve logistics

[uncut trail]

i mean storage is still filling up but that backflow is js annoying asf

[shy mulch]

how many gens

[shy mulch]

why do you have a buffer

[lean ferry]

Uhhhh

[uncut trail]

do you mean pipeline pump?

[lean ferry]

I’m guessing like 100 minimum

I’m not gonna connect them to power until they are full

[hard ivy]

I'd also suggest turning off default alumina, because tools wants to use the silica from it and you end up making alumina with 2 different recipes

[shy mulch]

fuel storage, why

[uncut trail]

to store fuel?

i dont have fuel generators unlocked yet

and dont want all fuel to go to waste

[daring stag]

thx will try. I had the feeling having too many recipes make stuff more complex

[shy mulch]

head scratching moment

[uncut trail]

i js unlocked tier 5 and made oil extracting and rubber and other bullshit

[lean ferry]

bro

just make heavy oi lresidue into petroleum coke and sink that

[shy mulch]

what do you do when the storage is full, make another storage? what are you storing it for? just wait until you get the generators

[lean ferry]

do not combine fuel and rubber/plastic, thats wht ive been told. make into petroleum coke and sink that

thats what I did and its working just fine

[uncut trail]

i just finished building it and was going to unlock fuel generator milestone but noticed backflow and got sketchy

my first time playing so cut me some slack

[shy mulch]

honestly don't worry about it, take the advice that it doesn't matter 🙂

[hard ivy]

Before you build anything from tools, you should always look over it and see if it's doing anything you don't want to build.

Like that alumina stuff or, for me, screws, default modular frame or anything else that adds a lot of machines for little resource benefits

[daring stag]

yeah alumina is annoying with the water that has to go backwards in the chain

[uncut trail]

whats petrolium coke for?

[shy mulch]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Petroleum_Coke

[lean ferry]

used for alt recipes- you can make steel, turbofuel

with alt recipes of course

and guys wahts good with sloppy alumina? i dont get why people say its so good

[hard ivy]

Can be used as fuel, for steel, aluminium, circuit boards, turbofuel and probably something else I'm forgetting

[uncut trail]

ty

[hard ivy]

Math

[lean ferry]

no like waht does it do

[hard ivy]

More alumina per bauxite

[lean ferry]

let me check

yo that is alot

and no silica?

chat hear me out sloppy alumina and pure alu ingots

[hard ivy]

That's what basically everyone does

[lean ferry]

but nah ive got pure quartz right next to me so i might aswell use it

[hard ivy]

Plus electrode scrap

[lean ferry]

o i guess I was a slight bit slow then

[lean ferry]

thats not really that good

cuz coke is annoying to get

[south sinew]

Add electrode scrap

[lean ferry]

OH WHAT AM I SAYING i forgot i made 160 packaged fuel I can make a drone empire heehehehehehehe

ok let me check the math

[hard ivy]

It's also more aluminium per bauxite

[lean ferry]

no cuz availabilty of coke

but then I can just take coke from rubber/plastic line, and if the factory backs up smart splitter exists

[hard ivy]

It's just oil instead of coal

[uncut trail]

damn i got whole ass 400l of fuel

usa calling my name

[hard ivy]

More lile 400000L

[lean ferry]

omg what the actual

[round shell]

I have a quartz mine with a crystal oscillator line in a cave and I can't remember how to get to it

[lean ferry]

from 225 bauxite I can make 150 casing

thats broken

[tawdry rain]

Power benefit from the aluminum alts too... vanilla recipes take 109 MJ to make 60 ingots per min. Sloppy + Electrode + Pure does the job in 59 MJ.

[reef basin]

more like 400000l 😛

[round shell]

This game could get tedious

[lean ferry]

now I can put my drone empire to use

hehehhehaw

[hard ivy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litre

[uncut trail]

what can i power jetpack with other than biofuel

[lean ferry]

pretty much most fuels in the game

[uncut trail]

coal good?

[lean ferry]

packaged fuel, liquid biofuel, packaged turbo

[hard ivy]

Packaged liquid biofuel is the best fuel until like tier 8/9

[lean ferry]

no u cant use stuff like coal, petroluem coke and compact coal

[dense violet]

liquid bio fuel will prob be the best you get for a bit

[uncut trail]

how do i pack allat

[lean ferry]

they pretty much all have to be packaged (except for solid biofuel)

[uncut trail]

how tf do i liquify the bitch

[lean ferry]

refinery, get a bunch of solid biofuel, connect it to water and handfeed the refinery

it will make liquid biofuel, put it in a packager, and use plastic to make canister

[hard ivy]

Fluid packaging milestone in tier 5

[lean ferry]

make it drink some water throw it in plastic

[dense violet]

!wikisearch liquid_biofuel

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=liquid_biofuel

[uncut trail]

ah its milestone okay ty guys

[reef basin]

see it says that in europe we use lowercase 😛

[lean ferry]

guys do u think 2/rcu a min is ok for personal use, and give the 4/m rest for pressure cubes (yes I know independency but its way too far from quartz I need to ship it)

[hollow needle]

Will 33gw be enough for me to reach tier 7 and 8 and nuclear? Or should I expand my turbo fuel power plant

[reef basin]

depends on how much you'll build

[valid copper]

if i destroy the elevator does it keep progress?

[hard ivy]

Well, I'm in Europe and I've always been taught uppercase.
Until checking that Wikipedia page right now, I didn't even know lowercase was correct

[reef basin]

yes

[reef basin]

I'm in europe and I've always been taught lowercase 🤷

[fluid sapphire]

easily

[lean ferry]

do I need pressure cubes for anything other than turbo and nuclear pasta and yes in europe we do say lowercase as a british person

[fluid sapphire]

plutonium fuel units if you want that

not much else

[lean ferry]

only pasta and turbo pressure

ok then im making 100 for pasta, then the rest will be going to turbo factory

[hard ivy]

It should be lowercase tbh. It's not derived from someone's name

[lean ferry]

4/m motors a min 🙂

bro 16 stators a min is slightly annoying cuz blue crater doesnt have much resources other than coal and sulfur

[reef basin]

and practically everything we have (e.g. drinks, food) here shows contents as ml, not mL

[lean ferry]

no wait it does have iron and ocal

[fluid sapphire]

people take "independency" to mean you need to bring in all raw resources to a single location to build the entire production chain there, from the very start, but this is a very non-nuanced take, its not what independency actually advocates for

[lean ferry]

I make everything from scratch

even my supercomputers and most of my rcu is scratch

[fluid sapphire]

you can, its just not the only way to make independent lines

[hard ivy]

My bottled water says 1,5L lol

[lean ferry]

I did plan ahead and made 10/m hmf because I know I would need them for fused frame, casing is seperate and nitrogen seperate

before doing this I realy need to grind hard drives because I need electrode scrap

is it good if I do sloppy alumina and pure alu ingots for now

without electrode

[empty hemlock]

is there some form of limit to manifolds? I've got a manifold system in my modular frame (bolted) factory, it's got 6 constructors for screws, but further down the line it can't get 100% efficiency aka 5 frames per minute as it doesn't have enough screws to keep up. It's being fed 66.25 iron rods pm

[hard ivy]

The only limit is belt speed. If you're trying to exceed what the main belt can do, it obviously won't work

[daring stag]

maybe you have a total output of 1000 items on a 500 belt speed

I had this issue yesterday

[empty hemlock]

nah it's all mk3 and I only have 133.5 coming out of the miner mk2

[daring stag]

but you merge belts no?

if you don't merge then idk

[empty hemlock]

yeah but it shouldn't get to anything more than 270

[fluid sapphire]

are your machine input buffers saturated?

[hard ivy]

There's presumably more belts in your factory than just the one coming out of the miner

[daring stag]

if you merge too many belts you will end with a too big input for the belt

[fluid sapphire]

the system doesnt reach full efficiency until every machine before the end of the manifold has their inputs full

[empty hemlock]

ohh right do you just have to wait a while then?

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[empty hemlock]

oh wait yeah its now 74% lol, thanks guys :)

[fluid sapphire]

see if you can see the numbers go up inthe machines

the row should fill up with screws eventually (except the last machines)

[daring stag]

try to buffer manually

if the stack depletes, you have a problem

[fluid sapphire]

if you have leftover screws then yeah you can fill them manually

[daring stag]

it should stay at 500 or whatever is the limit

[empty hemlock]

yeah it seems to be better now, it's slowly going up to 100%

[daring stag]

the best way is to buffer all machines, the stack should stay all full

if one of the machine gets a stack decreasing, input isn't good

[fluid sapphire]

you dont actually need to do anything, just turn the system on and wait

[daring stag]

if the system has no error yes

[fluid sapphire]

occasionally you can check the progress of the manifold filling up

and thats how you find that

[daring stag]

buffering is faster but sure you can also wait

hunting stingers

[fluid sapphire]

it doesnt take that long unless you have hundreds of machines

[hollow needle]

Well how much do you recommend?

[fluid sapphire]

you dont also need to stand still while its happening, just go do something else

[lean ferry]

uhh guys

I think I mightve accidentally scanned off pure aluminum ingot 😦

[fluid sapphire]

33GW is very easily enough to complete everything up to and including tier 8

[lean ferry]

bruh

[hard ivy]

Even T9 if you don't build big

[daring stag]

god damn I STILL have stuck trains

busy station with lots of 4 wagons train

[fluid sapphire]

yea i should have qualified an at least

[reef basin]

depends on your build style. And you can always build more 🤷

[hard ivy]

Did you add a waiting bay?

[daring stag]

yea, I guess it's not long enough

[fluid sapphire]

"depends" is such a non answer, you could say that about any question

[daring stag]

well depends what you mean by waiting bay

block signs every 100meters?

[hard ivy]

A track behind the station that's meant for trains to stop on if the station's full in a way that won't block traffic not going to the station

[daring stag]

hum no then I don't have that

got a screenshot?

I thought it was good enough to make a lot of block signs on the track leading to the station

[hard ivy]

That is what a waiting bay is. It's just important that the track doesn't cross another one

[daring stag]

I'm gonna add more

like enough for 5 trains with 4 wagons

I've been fixing train issues for days

[fluid sapphire]

waiting bay

#screenshots message

[daring stag]

ok so long track before the station instead of small one

[fluid sapphire]

one block needs to be big enough to fit the waiting train

in my case its 4 freight cars

[daring stag]

I think I need it to handle more

[fluid sapphire]

same idea

[daring stag]

here's the hell station https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456117300446232578/1398284673695612968/Screenshot_20250725-144346.png?ex=6884cd95&is=68837c15&hm=57c9d25c9d9395fc0c7fa64205f5aac820a0abec682a4f54964b505d43b1f518

so I should start the right track split toward station sooner

[dense violet]

scres jsut take forever to balance out

stacks of 500

[hard ivy]

that's mine
#screenshots message

[daring stag]

yeah I wouldn't have enough place here

[hard ivy]

I spammed the signals because I didn't want to bother getting them spaced correctly

[daring stag]

you're right I should do that

[hard ivy]

but yeah, the waiting bay cannot cross any other tracks

otherwise trains waiting will block other trains

[daring stag]

everytime I fix, one hour later they're stuck again

[hard ivy]

if it blocks the leaving train, you've got a deadlock

[daring stag]

because some convergence of train will create a new edge case

feels like my job actually lol

every bug fixed spawns another bug

[willow oar]

My electricity shut down due to storage clogging while I was designing at the other end of the map. I refuse to rollback my save, took too much time designing.
What is the easiest / quickest way to have electricity back ?
I have a lots of batteries, and petrol not used next door my current petrol generator. This generator is m backbone of energy very far from my base. I have cars if needed to go there

[daring stag]

disconnect your most consuming machines and stabilize power then replug

or alternative, go to your powerplant, disconnect output (easier than disconnect machines)

make powerplant great again, then replug

[boreal musk]

your system can be easily fix if you just sink the overflow 🙃

[fluid sapphire]

yeah if your power set up is generating some kind of byproduct why not sink it

[reef basin]

I assume you mean power storages, not batteries?

[fluid sapphire]

here we go

[stray loom]

How did the storage clog up? What kind of power plant is this?

[willow oar]

My power storage gave out.... I'm surprised I had no warning, I had twice as power saved as my generator, seems it been 4-10h since the problem began

[willow oar]

My awesome burner was not linked due to an belt error

Te surplus made all refineries stop

So no fuel made

I just got there by car gonna cut the power cables going outside first

[dense violet]

so what kinda of power station? coal? fuel?

[fluid sapphire]

theres nothing that can get clogged with coal?

[dense violet]

maybe something interlinked? people do weird things. I'd believe it

[fluid sapphire]

maybe

[hasty cradle]

Only coal that could clog up is compacted coal from rocket fuel

[stray loom]

So there is a good lesson to take away from this. Once you have something built and it's working watch it for a few minutes and check it all to make sure it works the way you designed it. If it looks good then set a timer to come back and check on it and go do other stuff. If it still looks good when you come back later then you've probably got no issues to deal with

[fathom shuttle]

Put a sink that’s connected to the byproducts
And turn on the grid again

[willow oar]

I couldn't watch it as the full stage needed to be full first 🥇 remember well being bothered b rhat

[fathom shuttle]

How many batteries do you have?

[willow oar]

Fuel generator can't boot due to lacking fuel, coal generator not enought to boot the refineries ....

[fluid sapphire]

charge the batteries with your coal generators for a while

[hasty cradle]

Batteries have an unlimited discharge rate

[reef basin]

*power storages 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

lol

[fathom shuttle]

Yea even 1 can restart a power plant as long as its fuel

[hasty cradle]

Arent they called batteries?

[fathom shuttle]

That’s why it’s always good to have like 100 batteries separated from the rest of the grid

[fluid sapphire]

they are called "power storage" but it takes a moron to misinterpret this based on context

[reef basin]

no, they are called power storages
batteries are an item

[fathom shuttle]

So you can just connect it to your power storage when you want to redesign or something similar

[boreal musk]

my next project for power production will be 3600 rocket fuel, 2400 goes into power and 1200 into 600 packaged for drone fuel

all this will power my aluminum and recycled plubber factories for my 540GW nuclear plant

[hasty cradle]

Is dune desert really that hard of a starting area?

[fathom shuttle]

600 is too much tbh

[hasty cradle]

Im thinking about starting a new playtrough

[fluid sapphire]

its fine

[stray loom]

If you don't already have experience with the game it can be. It has limited biomass and water compared to other options

[boreal musk]

better having too much than less

cuz im intending to spam drones in this save

[hasty cradle]

I have 120 hours so experience should be good

[willow oar]

Okay issue was the rails.... They sent electricity to other parts of the map even with the câbles cut

[cursive crane]

Youd be better off just sprinting over to the desert and starting new than starting a new save if your only goal is a different starting area. Just take the hub with you

[hasty cradle]

I could make another factory over there ig

Maybe for tickets for the golden nut and other trophies

[cursive crane]

Bonus if you build power on your way Lol

[boreal musk]

actually wrong, just go to the eastern oasis of dune desert, they have enough leaves and woods enough until coal (im not counting chopping trees)

its actually easier to do biomass power in dune than rocky desert

[cedar atlas]

hello all im new here how goes it

[fluid sapphire]

yo

[fiery pewter]

I am going to have a problem

[cursive crane]

As previously stated in a livestream, the "difficulty" of diff starting areas is more related to how hard it is to build/access to resources than survival difficulty

However your regular gamer with a lil bit of patience can enjoy each of em differently with good planning/use of all the mechanics

[fathom shuttle]

Yea but 600 is the too much of too much lol
You’d fine with 300

[daring stag]

I'd say Rocky Desert is the starter area most far away from going into a dangerous area

[fathom shuttle]

They should make the swamp a starting area

[boreal musk]

rocky desert is the most annoying starter cuz it has the most inconvenient quartz node than all of starter location

[fiery pewter]

I will have 4200 MW available
My planned production lines will use roughly 4400 MW, plus some smelters and miners I forgot to count
The only really optional production line I have planned is Silica and Quartz Crystal, and that will not save me those 200+ MW's

[daring stag]

but it's the biggest cavern of the map tho

[fathom shuttle]

What phase are you in?

[fiery pewter]

1 I thinkz

[fathom shuttle]

Uh you should probably move to fuel power first before taking on large projects

[fiery pewter]

Me and my friend have 3 unfinished save files, all stopped around fuel power

I am not planning on a fourth one

[cursive crane]

Happens to everyone, just need to push through Lol

[fathom shuttle]

I’ve never explored the caves

[fiery pewter]

Yeah fair

[fathom shuttle]

I can help you out fuel is pretty easy

[daring stag]

if you like stingers, go for it

[fiery pewter]

He is of the temp stuff, and I'm more perm

[fiery pewter]

Oh the numbers ain't hard, and the planning is also easy

The furthest we got didn't work because we still mostly ran on biomass, and thus it just couldn't start up

[daring stag]

desert power

[fathom shuttle]

That’s actually wild bro are you doing 4.4GW of biomass right now?

[cursive crane]

Good way to get past that is a temporary fuel setup, overclock the generator to max for 300mw

Can usually achieve it with a refinery for plastic, one for rubber, fluid storage to buy time in between all the sources. Flush whatever backs up and just keep it running to give you some quick startup power

[fiery pewter]

Nah not now, we ran 600 MW from biomass then, now I have half of the coal power, 4800 MW in total, but 4200 available because each of the plants uses 300, and one of the 2 will be converted to turbofuel power

[boreal musk]

no dont do that, literally just find other source of coal

[fathom shuttle]

You can easily set up 5GW of fuel in an hour or so

[fiery pewter]

But iz Blue crater lake :3

[fiery pewter]

Yeag

[boreal musk]

theres a lot of oil there, just do diluted fuel

[fiery pewter]

Dreamworld would be 75k megawatts, but I'd die before it even started

[fathom shuttle]

He doesn’t even need diluted fuel, just converting a pure node into fuel straight is enough

[hard ivy]

That's 4x less power than HOR+ Diluted

[cursive crane]

Highly suggest getting regular fuel going before trying to go turbo, youll just end up burning yourself out. You can always upgrade or build turbo elsewhere later. But the progression purposefully gives you fuel gens so early because its a good learning experience

Prepares you for the next few tiers

[hard ivy]

Turbo is very meh. It's main (and pretty much only) advantage over regular fuel is oil efficiency. But diluted fuel is so efficient that there's basically no reason to go turbo. By the time you need more power, you have rocket or nuclear

[fathom shuttle]

It’s way easier, it’s kind of a starter set up until you get to unlock RF

[white dawn]

In the right circumstances, Turbofuel can be just fine for power (those circumstances being: convenient sulfur+coal already near the oil you want to use, plus not wanting to go out hard drive hunting to try and unlock the necessary Diluted recipes)

[fiery pewter]

Yeah, I am going to do normal fuel, but have to get there first, and the production lines I have planned now are going to help with building the fuel plant, but for that I need more power. Yes we can run our biomass to pretty much eliminate the problem, and that's what probably will happen.

[white dawn]

But it's definitely more niche than using Diluted. I wouldn't recommend anyone seek out sulfur+coal just to use it, so there's only a few locations on the map where it makes sense

[fiery pewter]

And BCL is one of those locations

[cursive crane]

Much better bet to extend some poles to the nearest unused coal than sticking more time into biomass

[fathom shuttle]

Putting some effort into unlocking diluted fuel is a lot less effort than doing turbo fuel

[white dawn]

Nah, Turbofuel's easy; just some extra assemblers mostly

Though, as I say, I agree that it's far more niche

I've only used it for power myself once or twice

[fiery pewter]

That is also possible
Context: we're in the Green fields
I only use like 280 of the 2 pure nodes so I can use the rest for more power with the little bit of water available

[hard ivy]

If you're willing to save scum, both cost you 2 HDDs. And HOR + Diluted is used more than just for power

[cursive crane]

Which 2?

[fathom shuttle]

Bringing the sulfur + coal + making the fuel is more effort than simply gettin a couple of hard drives and setting up a 2 stage refinery system for the fuel

[cursive crane]

One to the south, one more east but still south?

[white dawn]

As I say, IMO turbofuel only really makes sense for power if you already have the coal+sulfur right there

[fiery pewter]

Please tell me I'm not going paranoid rn, the whole production relies on those nodes

The one at the bottom of the map in the Green fields, and there's another one more left iirc

[fathom shuttle]

There is one on the island to the south

[white dawn]

I've never been willing to savescum, though. :)

[fathom shuttle]

Then there is one toward the west section on a cliff

[cursive crane]

Yep those are the ones im thinking of, go straight north and scan for coal again, theres 4 not too far or hard to get to, with ez water access

[white dawn]

Plus, at the stage where you'd be thinking of Turbofuel vs. Diluted, you'd also need to set up a Packaged Diluted blueprint

Which, I agree, is not bad. But the production line for Turbofuel is also not bad

[fathom shuttle]

It’s still way easier than turbofuel

[white dawn]

But I really don't think you can argue against Turbofuel from a complexity perspective. There's nothin' to it.

[fiery pewter]

The pure nodes are the one near the arch, and that Impure Sulfur node, and the one on the bottom. The 4 normal nodes more north of the Green fields that are by that lake, will be used for 32 coal generators

[white dawn]

I guess I just don't see what's at all difficult about the Turbofuel chain. But whatever, not worth arguing about. :)

[cursive crane]

Will be, or are already?

[fiery pewter]

Will be. I already turned the 4 normal nodes in the BCL in 32 generators

[cursive crane]

Sounds like you got it then

[fiery pewter]

Yea

Just, more pipes, yippeee

[cursive crane]

Get used to em lol

Set a hotbar for pipe construction for sure.

[fiery pewter]

Not that hard, but ugh, uplift

[hard ivy]

Turbo is made from fuel. If you only use compacted coal + default turbo (i.e. 2 drives), it's way more oil than HOR+Diluted, on top of the sulfur and coal

[fiery pewter]

I didn't set my hotbars and want to build a factory...I am very forgetfull

...THE BLUEPRINTS, NOOOOO-

[ashen spruce]

There are so many hidden spots where you can go under the map

It's cool. I don't know if it's intended. But I like it.

[distant idol]

Definitely not intended lol

Are there any console commands that give inventory slots?
I completed the inventory research node under MegaFauna, but never received the slots. Even after a relaunch.

[hard ivy]

You can add slots with SCIM

[distant idol]

I dont know what that is

[ashen spruce]

#screenshots

[ashen spruce]

Satisfactory Interactive Map, just google it

[fiery pewter]

About SCIM, I am never able to drop my save file in there, like, I can't find it

[cedar atlas]

what are hotbars lol

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[hard ivy]

Save file location is both in SCIM and in #faq

[fiery pewter]

In the bottom of ur screen, standard is cable, power pile, belt and conveyor pole, you have 10 of those hotbars

[distant idol]

Thanks

[cursive crane]

Think that was sarcasm Lol

[cedar atlas]

oh i know i was being funny cuz either i 1 fuck them up by clicking something i don't need and saving g it to my hot bar or 2 forget they exist

[cursive crane]

Some people dont use em and it makes me pull my hair out

[fiery pewter]

Yeag, so I open steam, press local files, find the factory game folder, and there is no saved folder

[cedar atlas]

yes yes it was

[fiery pewter]

Dang

[hard ivy]

Because that's not where the files are...

[fiery pewter]

I am utterly confused

[hard ivy]

I gave you 2 places that say where the files are and none of them say to look in steam

[cursive crane]

Scim has the default location on it doesnt it?

Satisfactory uses the appdata path like most unreal games

[cedar atlas]

AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[fiery pewter]

Yeah that's fair

[white dawn]

Nevertheless, if you don't feel like doing recipe roulette and want some more power (and, as I say, already have the sulfur+coal handy), Turbofuel's at least a sure thing, so long as you've got those two drives, and it's an improvement over Fuel at least

As I say, I 100% acknowledge that using Diluted is more useful/attractive in most situations, but Turbofuel-as-power has a niche, however small. :)

[cedar atlas]

AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

thats the path you need to find your saved games

[fiery pewter]

Alright

[peak wasp]

Rocky Desert Map where is the best place to actually make my base?

[fiery pewter]

Imo, that one lone tall pillar near the middle left section of the Rocky desert

A lot of iron and limestone nearby, as well as coal not too far and copper

[little sonnet]

Is there a way to "nudge" up or down without locking the blueprint first?

[fluid sapphire]

no, you cant nudge in any direction without locking

[rocky sierra]

whats the best rocket fuel setup? what alternate recipes should i use/or not use?

[south sinew]

kinda depends but it seems like people prefer nitro rocket fuel

[lean ferry]

yipee fused frame factory done

4/m, will sloop it to 8 cuz why not

[naive pendant]

There's a few different alt combinations for rocket fuel with varrying amounts of:

1. design complexity
2. resource efficiency

[lean ferry]

actually no only 6

[dense violet]

going nuclear instead 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

I am checking the map and Sulfer is all over the place...

[rocky sierra]

i don't care about complexity i want the powahh

[mortal ginkgo]

I can see the worth of blue crater but its literally at the opposite side if you start at Rocky Desert.

Thats one heck of a journey to setup everything

[naive pendant]

Max complexity for more power is more pushing to nuclear instead. But the big split for RF is nitro RF (lower design complexity; higher resource cost) vs default (opposite tradeoffs).

I did a default RF with various upstream alts as wanted to play around with the compacted coal byproduct thing. Was fun.

Go on Satisfactory Tools and play around with the codex to see all the alts for it.

[hard ivy]

Then something like this
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7S0scKBhLqiSQpXeNdKH
Scale up/down however you like

[hard ivy]

Or nuclear

[rocky sierra]

im scared of nuclear atm

[daring stag]

how do you force nitro rocket fuel on the tools

[hard ivy]

Disable default

[burnt ferry]

damn... apparently my headlift sometimes slips above 10m. is the height of the machinery also included in it? i put them machines 8 meters above the extractor... so the input is below 10m

[daring stag]

ah yeah thx

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure all head lift sources can supply full flow up to 10% above what they say

[rocky sierra]

this looks great thanks, probably wont bother with pure iron ingot though

[daring stag]

damn much simpler with nitro on the diagram

[naive pendant]

@daring stag SF Tools has a "recipe" tab, "machines" tab, and "resources" tab. You enable/disable those various check boxes to force it to use the specific things you want.

A common one is disabling all sam

[burnt ferry]

hm. but the extractors are not running smoothly and at the same time theres idle machinery... production and consumption is both exactly 600 per min

[fluid sapphire]

if you want one thats simpler but less resource efficient
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=wnbync0GAep0W7jW1lCb

[burnt ferry]

put the extractors in a pond, aligned with foundation.. the pipes from the extractors go down into the pipeline junctions, so theyre above those platforms i guess... then used those foundations to put machinery 8m above it.. no pipe goes higher than the blender inputs.. it loosk like the extractors are blocking themselves....

[dense violet]

why? it's simple and each generator is worth 10x fuel gens

[rocky sierra]

idk what to do with waste

[dense violet]

store it for now? you can easily blueprint a 10,000 hr storage unit

the plutonium processing needs a bit of every resource, but you can just drone those in

[burnt ferry]

you can jsut disable the sam resource to be considered altogether.. dont have to disable all them recipes one by one (if the goal is to disable all)

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't classify building 63000 industrial containers as "easy", even with blueprints

[rocky sierra]

sounds like a problem to me

i don't want to create problems for future me

[dense violet]

how so? it depends how much waste you're actually making how long 10,000 hrs is. And you honestly could do 1,000 hrs and be fine

what sort of problem?

[rocky sierra]

because i would still have the nuclear waste, i'm not getting rid of it

[dense violet]

... and? you put it in a corner of the map and stop thinking about it

unless you eventually create a recycling system.

[daring stag]

why we don't have fusion power btw? it's the future

[fluid sapphire]

to me storing the waste is like not taking out the trash just because you still have room in the corners of your room so its "fine" xd

[shy mulch]

My main nuclear plant is fully wasteless, but my old one when I was just learning sends plutonium waste to storage. There are 2 plutonium plants at 250% and the waste for them goes into a storage array that fits in a single blueprint that honestly will last until the end of time, I doubt I'll still be playing this game when that gets anywhere near full

[dense violet]

eh, very few people will play 1,000hrs past making nuclear power systems.
I make recycling but it's not for everyone

[naive pendant]

@daring stag Fusion is coming 10 years after Satisfactory's current time.

[fluid sapphire]

or putting gum under your desk, sure, you can fit a lot of gum under there, but its kinda ick?

[hard ivy]

Storing plutonium waste is fine, there's a lot less of it. But uranium waste fills up fast

[daring stag]

we should have breeder reactors

[shy mulch]

I could just use my blueprint 10 times

[rocky sierra]

i get that i will finish the game 5 times before the storages fill up, but it still feels wrong to do

[naive pendant]

If you don't like storing nuclear waste, that's fine. Just don't do that.

[rocky sierra]

i'm just not gonna think about nuclear for now anyway

[naive pendant]

Or just finish the game on pure RF instead of nuclear. Lots of things work.

[rocky sierra]

i will probably dip my toes into nuclear at some point for fun, but that's a long way from now

i still have to rebuild my aluminum setup

[prime jasper]

I intend to add more hypertube booster in my hypertube network. I have struggle balancing high speed with maniability. Does anyone have found a soft spot ?

[hard ivy]

maniability?

[prime jasper]

Yeah, sometimes when i get to junction if i boosted tofast it can get hard to choose the right junction, it is probably due to some lagg and drop in fps so maybe it is specific to my config

[lean ferry]

guys can i have help rq im making a factory for cooling system and I need alclad sheets. do I make the drone port where they are being made? or at the storage I have at my base thats being brought by train

[prime jasper]

that's what i men by maniability, sometimes if i boost really hard i can't choose in time

[lean ferry]

i want to do it at the storage but im not sure

[hard ivy]

I don't use tubes tubes anymore, but I'd say about 10 entrances should give you decent speed while still being controllable

[fathom shuttle]

It’s pretty easy to make storage bins now tho

You can do a 150 ISC blueprint with autoconnectting inputs and outputs and it’s just hundreds of hours more storage time every 2 clicks

[fathom shuttle]

Use the alts they’re better

[lean ferry]

lil bit too late

[fathom shuttle]

With the heat exchanger alt you just need rubber and aluminum ingot

It works really well with the default cooling systems recipe since it also uses rubber

[lean ferry]

all my drones are working well but theres always the exclamation mark sign when I check a drone port

like when I go to all ports theres always a triangle with ! inside

[fathom shuttle]

It doesn’t have a drone in it

[daring stag]

so one blender of nitro rocket fuel = 14 fuel generator at 250%

[lean ferry]

oh

[hard ivy]

14.4

[lean ferry]

ok I automated supercomputer to 4 a sec, radio control unit to 6 a sec, cooling system to 4 (planning to sloop) and fused frame to 4 (also planning to sloop) now what? turbo motors?

[open pollen]

Yep, need those for project parts and you use them to make some buildings like Mk.3 miners

[lean ferry]

and if so what is the best alt recipe for them

or just best recipe

[fathom shuttle]

Base is fine

[lean ferry]

ive been told pressure is better than base

[hard ivy]

I always use turbo electric

[open pollen]

Then why are you asking if you already have a preference? Like I used Turbo Electric Motors because I had the stuff for that already in one place

[fathom shuttle]

Pressure is what I used but you can’t use it because you don’t have enough fused modular frames

[lean ferry]

why not? I havent slooped mines yet

I can get 8/m, and you only need cubes for pasta and motors

[fathom shuttle]

You shouldn’t be using sloops in your production chain like this but you do you

[lean ferry]

why not?? I dont see why not to sloop

[open pollen]

Just do whatever recipe is easiest for your circumstances or that you yourself want to do

[lean ferry]

theres 100 sloops on the entire map

[lean ferry]

just wana ask u why like what else can I use them for (other than alien power augmenter thingy)

[open pollen]

You could use them for making all the space elevator parts themselves I guess, but it doesn’t really matter imo

[fathom shuttle]

I use my sloops for space elevator and for power

[lean ferry]

wait how many sloops do particle accelerators need

[hard ivy]

4 for 2x output

[reef basin]

yeah sloops are great for production

[shy mulch]

If you are going to use sloops in machines producing things, it's most efficient to use them all on the final product, rather than something further upstream

[reef basin]

usually

[hard ivy]

depends what your exactl goal is, but generally yes

[lean ferry]

thats what I do

[shy mulch]

I like to use mine on things that produce dark matter residue as byproduct, because DMR always seems to be in short supply, so I get more of it this way

[lean ferry]

sometimes I sloop the one before the final product if its too demanding

like: lets say im makign turbo pressure, im gonna sloop the pressure conversion and the turbo motors themselves

theres 100 sloops on map anyways, if I need more i might do a mod to automate them/ buy them

[shy mulch]

if you're going to go that route, you might as well just edit your save and give yourself a storage full of them

[lean ferry]

if u guys had to choose a recipe for sumersloop what would it be (theres a custom recipe maker and idk what to make it)

[lean ferry]

I wana work for it tho

[shy mulch]

fair enough, that's a decent goal to make for yourself 🙂

[lean ferry]

actually no

[hard ivy]

or just don't waste them on stuff you can just automate more of...

[lean ferry]

ok wait theres no point in making smth I can uatomate, and if I really want ot make big factories and stuff im gonna edit save and double sloops on the map

so like instead of 100 sloops theres 200 sloops (ill put them in my inventory)

[humble osprey]

Do u guys use cat mode

[shy mulch]

cats are way too scary, I'll stick to spiders thanks

[open pollen]

Yes, my arachnophobia can’t handle the game without it

[daring stag]

definitely

also it's more grasshoppers than spiders

[hard ivy]

50 ficsonium rods, 50 matrices, 50 BWD, 50 AI servers, manufacturer, 10 ks crafting time

[open pollen]

Doesn’t matter, they freak me out and when they jump at or attack me I freeze, so combat with them becomes very very difficult without the cats

[daring stag]

I have mild arachnophobia but I just get used to the monsters

[humble osprey]

Never used nuclear, never will

[daring stag]

also I have such equipment that they can't do crap against me

[burnt ferry]

and what would that be?

[shy mulch]

maybe to keep it in theme, and not make it completely OP, what about
1 mercer sphere + 300 photonic matter + 1 ficsonium = 1 somersloop
loads of spare mercer spheres that most people don't use, means you can manually feed your sloop making machine and get a bunch of them but not make it tooooo wild like unlimited sloops would be

[daring stag]

homing rifle ammo, hoverpack

[open pollen]

So much as looking at the spiders in game makes me highly uncomfortable and freeze up. I’d say I have more severe arachnophobia personally and a mild fear of general insects 😆

[lean ferry]

hold on

what if I download a mod that converts mercers to sloops

[burnt ferry]

so this means you can avoid them for a limited time and shoot at them from distance, rather than they cant do crap against you

[shy mulch]

that could work

[lean ferry]

I dont know what im going to use 400 dimensional depots for

[daring stag]

no, for infinite time since I travel dangerous areas with wires

[lean ferry]

and if I do want to be a slight bit greedy I can sloop the actual converter

[burnt ferry]

just be glad that you dont freak out when you see them 😂 you will miss every shot even with homing rifle 😂

[daring stag]

I hover above their jump distance, kill them

[lean ferry]

wait theres a mod called "manipulation where u can put 1 sloop 1 sphere and make 2 sloops

[burnt ferry]

its not about arachnophobia for me but i always freak out on jumpscare like situations.. and i can have an enmy standing right in front of me filling 70% of the screen and i still miss 😂

[shy mulch]

I always underestimate how high the green ones can jump

[burnt ferry]

ye ahnd that

[open pollen]

Hate those green mutant cats with a passion

[burnt ferry]

also they can jump from the wall, upping their max jump height unexpectedly

[shy mulch]

yeah

[open pollen]

Excuse me? How have I never noticed this?

[daring stag]

must admit it's pretty damn high

[burnt ferry]

im not saying straight wall dude.. but at some walls theres little rocks (the same ones you use to climb up) and on those they can jump 'from the wall'

i havent seen them walk like a gecko, thats not what i meant

[daring stag]

but max height hoverpack they can't reach, they actually don't even try to jump

[open pollen]

Ahhhhh gotcha

[burnt ferry]

have you ever been inside a cave bro? 😂

you know.. caves have ceilings

[daring stag]

in a cave I switch to jetpack for sure

[cyan moss]

Just remove the ceiling, is simple

[daring stag]

sprint crouch then jump then tap jetpack

they can't reach me

it's more involved thou

[open pollen]

I love how with cat mode you just hear silly cat noises in the distance from the spiders

[burnt ferry]

you make no sense.. there simply is caves where the ceiling just isnt high enough for your plan to succeed

[cyan moss]

Could just kill them and not deal with em

[daring stag]

in caves I don't hover I use jetpack to be fast and mobile, I dodge them

[burnt ferry]

yes

thats what we say

[daring stag]

also use cluster bombs to pull them so they don't attack before I see them

[cyan moss]

If you have a jetpack why you care about spiders lol

[merry mountain]

what's with lifts making items on the belts look fuzzy if the lift is turned in any direction, or goes thru a floor hole?

[burnt ferry]

stick them cluster bomb to them... two per stinger should be enough

usually takes out the minions as well

[daring stag]

they too fast I don't even want to try

[versed plinth]

@half scaffold #screenshots message gotta pump those numbers up!

[burnt ferry]

see.. thats why i know and you assume

[dense turtle]

ist 10k rods and plates enough to store or do i double that

[burnt ferry]

(i buy shred bombs from the shop btw.. i always have far too many)

[open pollen]

With a dimensional depots and with the rods/plates able to be replenished in the storage you should be fine by connecting it to a factory

[dense turtle]

i dont have dimensional depots what do they even do

[burnt ferry]

check mam

alien tech

[open pollen]

Do all the MAM research my dear. It is super useful

[dense turtle]

im one research away from them

[burnt ferry]

one of the most useful rsearch options

[open pollen]

They store items in the cloud that are inserted into them, you can then pull the items form the cloud through an interface in your inventory

[dense turtle]

dayummmm

[burnt ferry]

its shared amongst players

[dense turtle]

aight bet im doing that

but i gotta go to that disgusting cave

[open pollen]

The storage is limited and upload speed is slow at first, but you use more Mercer spheres in MAM to unlock upgrades

[burnt ferry]

it really theres other sam nodes without spiders

[dense turtle]

ayeee i just finished phase 2

[ivory condor]

basically, allows you to build with remote storage, aka you store building materials in them and you can take them out automatically when building

[burnt ferry]

it seems like you need a lot of sam but you actually dont

[lean ferry]

Hey uh can someone tell me if a recipe is balanced because I don’t trust myself

[burnt ferry]

at least not in early/midgame until late game

[lean ferry]

Wait sorry this is wrong server I’m supposed to be talking in modded

[dense turtle]

its my first time getting past phase 1 huge day for nme

ayeee jetpack and train

[fluid sapphire]

jetpack is big, once you have it, it makes it a lot easier to go and explore and look for hard drives, sloops, spheres all that good stuff

[open pollen]

Nice! Get ready to make even more crap

[twilit kayak]

With ionized fuel you can jump over mountains

[dense turtle]

do i need oil for these phase 3 items?

literally 100 meters away from the place i created phase 2 items i got 3 oil puddles

[fluid sapphire]

uhh, ionized fuel comes much later

but yes, its fantastic fuel, just recently made some myself for the first time

[twilit kayak]

I always make it a priority to unlock and start producing

[lean ferry]

time to kill my sanity hdd hunting and walking 4km back to base

yaaayyy

btw does anyone have a list for all materials needed for hdd so I can jsut stack

for power im planning to do geothermal

[willow dawn]

Hey everybody

[lean ferry]

hello

[willow dawn]

I am ready for the weekend!

[lean ferry]

does anyone have a list for all materials needed

[willow dawn]

And by that I mean setting up my new super Oil factory, I just got HOR recipe which I have been looking for for DAYS

[willow dawn]

Hiya

[open pollen]

Yep needed for phase 3

[open pollen]

I’m committed to my beloved liquid biofuel and its longevity personally

[dense turtle]

is oil power good?

[keen hawk]

My best fuel for my jetpack is turnofuel 🥀

I really cba to set up liquid biofuel reserves esp if i need a depot for it

[fluid sapphire]

not enough lift for me personally

[keen hawk]

Not to mention chainsaws dont even use liquid biofuel

[willow dawn]

I really dislike taking this beautiful beach and turning it into a oil refinery but... what can ya do

[open pollen]

You finished phase 2 so rush coal in Tier 3. Coal with get rid of your biofuel gens you needed previously

[willow dawn]

I've been doing good on biofuel for my jetpack

[dense turtle]

huh

im already running 24 coal generators

[open pollen]

Wait did you complete or enter phase2 I think I’m confusing myself

[dense turtle]

complete

now i unlocked oil and trains

[open pollen]

Sorry about that

[dense turtle]

nah dw

[open pollen]

Yes fuel power is nice to have in addition to coal

[dense turtle]

do i need engines running all the time?

because in the place where i got steel i got no more iron for rotors

[ruby mountain]

yes keep making engines, refineries take a lot

[dense turtle]

bet

[open pollen]

Time to make a new factory then (Or import resources)

[dense turtle]

yeah

im thinking

i got one iron in 500 meters away

but there isnt really much space anyways and no more coal

im here near a small lake where are 3 coal nodes

[open pollen]

Also remember the beauty of alt recipes from hard drives

[dense turtle]

hmm

maybe thats the move

[open pollen]

Get that jet pack and get adventuring

[dense turtle]

oh wait

by engine i meant the easy one, not the one for space elevator

btw

idk if we talking bout the same thing

first imma do this SAM thingies

[open pollen]

The motor? Either way some alt recipes are super nice
(like iron pipes may help you with not needing to make steel at all at a new factory for example)

[dense turtle]

yeah i got iron pipes already thanks for reminding

[reef basin]

Iron pipes are very expensive tho

[open pollen]

Yes but they made it easier for me at one of my factories that had no coal near
I was more just trying to give an example tbh

[dense turtle]

if i find a place with 2 or 3 irons and no coal then it will be perfect

[vague dune]

Just unlocked phase 3... I feel like a 3rd grader walking into a calculous class

[open pollen]

Also @dense turtle when you get jet packs consider unlocking fluid packaging in tier 5 sooner rather than later so you have better fuel than the solid biofuel
(I love liquid biofuel personally since it lasts long when flying, but packaged fuel and other things give more lift)

[open pollen]

Just take it slow and one step at a time. Also, Whenever I personally got annoyed or overwhelmed I would switch to adventuring or making things look nicer 😆

[willow dawn]

I know that feeling but it gets better... eventually

[open pollen]

Are you sure about that? 😆

[vague dune]

I missed how plausable phase 2 was 😔

[dense turtle]

yall ever cant find your destruction chest or however yall got it called

deconstruction

[willow dawn]

Welll yes, I do understand a lot more

[open pollen]

Have you checked the map for an icon for it?

[dense turtle]

yeah

its lost in my noodles

[willow dawn]

I still struggle with starting a new factory, espcifically the first layout

[open pollen]

We may understand more as time goes on, but it also gets more complicated

[willow dawn]

True

[open pollen]

I just recently finished phase 4 and am excited but also weeping

[dense turtle]

rebuilding my old factiories is so good, seeing how i improved, its really... satisfactory

[vague dune]

I know you can use the calculator website to remove those kinds of things. I did it when a chest was stuck in the ground

[pliant prawn]

I am so close to finishing phase 4 I can taste it. One more part left.

[dense turtle]

wdym calculator

u mean console

[reef basin]

Colud also keep old and build new - less effort, more production

[open pollen]

Satisfactory calculator has a map and a way to upload your save file to make edits

[dense turtle]

nah because they are ugly and inefficient

[willow dawn]

I just finished the first elevator part of stage 4

[reef basin]

That's still better than no factory 😉

[reef basin]

Basically save editing (some may call that cheating)

[vague dune]

No the satisfactory calculator is an amazing website and it has a map that you can port your save to and edit things like structures and the sort

[willow dawn]

Decided I want to build a dedicated factory for the next one near the site of what will become my first nuclear power plants.... but first more fuel power plants cause more power is more good

[dense turtle]

im using calculator but to calculate

[open pollen]

Rocket fuel is my beloved for all power generation

[open pollen]

There is also the satisfactory tools website and satisfactory modeler on steam if you didn’t know

[willow dawn]

I may convert them to that later, the idea is to leave room for growth which I always say and never actually leave enough room 😛

[dense turtle]

oh then yeah im using satisfactory tools

calculator

[willow dawn]

tbh I tried the modler and I didn't see the added value over satisfactory tools

[open pollen]

I think it just depends on how much control/customization a person wants when planning their facility when picking which one they prefer

[zinc pumice]

I use Modeler for individual factories. It really helps with calculating overclock % and machine counts

[dense turtle]

tools do that too tho

[willow dawn]

Hmmm I on't really have an issue with that. I get all the info I need from satisfactory tools

[dense turtle]

yeah

i usually just put in how many materials i got and set to maximize

[reef basin]

Change to items/min once you know the max

[zinc pumice]

I tend to work backwards. Set product I want to make and how many, then "build" back to what materials I need to ship to that facility.

I have mega ingot factories that I use trains to distribute to various locations

[reef basin]

That's a lot of logistical pain 😄

[dense turtle]

dangg jetpack uses so much fuel

[zinc pumice]

Use liquid biofuel

[dense turtle]

yeah soon

[zinc pumice]

It last a lot longer

[willow dawn]

Also tap the spacebar, don't hold it down

You can squeeze a lot more out of it that way

[zinc pumice]

If you have a long distance to travel, do a sliding jump to gain linear momentum before using your jetpack, too

[dense turtle]

yeah i figured these 2 things right away

thanks tho

[stray loom]

Do this on a high tier belt for even more of a speed boost

[dense turtle]

okay nah jetpack is such a gamechanger

[zinc pumice]

This is the way

[dense turtle]

wow i found such a beautiful spot, smells like oil factorys gonna be here

[zinc pumice]

Blue Crater Lake?

[stray loom]

Spire coast probably

[shrewd lagoon]

anyone here use the satisfactory modeler app? can't for the life of me figure out how the priority splitters work

[dense turtle]

nah i found a big red tree in the middle of a desert

i dont think there is oil tho i was joking

[zinc pumice]

I put my Oil refinement facility in the spire coast. 3200 ppm plastic & rubber each. Still have 3 pure oil nodes left over, too

Rocket fuel in blue Crater, 1 pure node untapped, making over 300 Gw

[hard ivy]

Top output has higher priority than the bottom

[shrewd lagoon]

ah, think I swapped them around trying to make it look neater lol

[grizzled lotus]

my train seems to have stopped loading and unloading stuff, even though it was. I made sure and none of the inputs or outputs are clogged. Is this a bug?

fix'd. I think the conveyor belt was buggy

[plucky plank]

do i seriously need 520 fuel gens for 144000 MW (with 2400 rocket fuel)

[dense turtle]

520 is insane

[trim vine]

I am making 8k rocket fuel/min

I would have needed ~2000 with bout overclocking, ~800 with everything overclocked

So 520 sounds like a dream

[dense turtle]

144000 mw is also insane

[plucky plank]

i think my maths wong 😭

[plucky plank]

time to find power slugs

[barren leaf]

if I have 240 coal to work with for steel, should i make 5 foundries and make the last one overclock once? so it'll be 45x5 then add 15 to the last foundry

[trim vine]

520/2.5 is 208, that aint too bad

[plucky plank]

yeah

its annoying that its 4.617 fuel a minute for rocket

[trim vine]

11.5425 overclocked

[stray loom]

Protip: overclock fuel gen to 240% and it's an even 10/min

For rocket fuel

[plucky plank]

👀

how many would gens for 2.4k

bro i cant type

[trim vine]

240....?

[plucky plank]

yo i gotta lock in

[trim vine]

2.4k/10 😛

[plucky plank]

thanks for the help

[trim vine]

144 GW lightwork, I got 608 GW and I am currently using alil over half of that 😛

[plucky plank]

just go nuclear vro

[trim vine]

I prolly should have, I log in at 1.79M UObjects though

[plucky plank]

damn

[trim vine]

mmhmm

[plucky plank]

how much crude oil do you ouse a minute

[trim vine]

2550 for the rocket fuel plant

to make 8k

4200 for the northern oil fields for 6300 plastic and rubber

[crisp crane]

Why is it possible to get duplicate alt recipes?

[plucky plank]

ah alr

[trim vine]

because why wouldnt you want them?

[crisp crane]

I mean I already know biocoal and it showed up again on a drive

[plucky plank]

theres 2 types of that

[trim vine]

There are two biocoal options

[elder apex]

are you sure it wasn't charcoal that showed up the second time?

[trim vine]

if you look at the inputs, they are different

[crisp crane]

Okay maybe that's it

[trim vine]

No no, it IS 😛

[plucky plank]

yeah ngl i dont have the power shards for this

[trim vine]

Do you sloop your shards?

[plucky plank]

yeah

[trim vine]

Then a half hour of casual searching will fix that

[shy mulch]

For what

[trim vine]

208 fuel gennies

well, 240 if you clock to get 10/min

Which is 720 shards

[shy mulch]

By the time 208 fuel gens at 250% is even remotely necessary you should probably be automating shards anyway

[trim vine]

Absolute lies

[fluid sapphire]

it sounds bad, but in reality at that point you can do that in 30-60 minutes with decent blueprints

[shy mulch]

What are you building in mid-game that needs that much power

[trim vine]

If he's making rocket fuel, he's in the mid/late game

[stray loom]

Fully overclocked and slooped particle accelerators and quantum encoders

Well not mid game for the QE but accelerators sure

[trim vine]

Plus, you should have a power situation that enables you to just go into phase 5, not building up more power in phase 5, imo

[stray loom]

Tho tbh it really depends what your definition of mid game is

[trim vine]

Early game, phases 1-2, mid game, phases 3-4, late game, phases 4-5

[shy mulch]

QE is unlocked at the same tier as automated power shards

[trim vine]

ignore him, phase 4 is blenders, which means he's there, not in phase 5

[fluid sapphire]

if you can make rocket fuel, there is no reason to not make a lot of it to prepare for when you need more power anyway

[gilded goblet]

yo why did they change the look of discord profiles 💔

[shy mulch]

Here's a plan then. Set up the rocket fuel, build your 208 gens and put the shards you have in them. As some of them will be at 100% instead of 250% you'll have left over rocket fuel that can just sit there. As and when you find more shards you can add them in and make more power. I'm absolutely certain you'll be automating power shards before you need all the power from the gens anyway

[trim vine]

Or he goes out and gets the shards he needs first, like a sane person, and incorporates the shards into a Blueprint, and saves himself hours of going back in 😛

[fluid sapphire]

i dont think shards are worth using for fuel gens at all

[shy mulch]

"worth" is relative. If it saves you a bit of time and you have a million of them, why not

[fluid sapphire]

if you are putting them into 200 generators that is 600 shards

thats a lot

[shy mulch]

A lot in mid game yes

[fluid sapphire]

its very easy to just build more generators

[shy mulch]

Not at end game

I have over 600 gens at 250%

[fluid sapphire]

well yeah obviously im talking about before the time you can manufacture them

you can make rocket fuel a lot earlier than that

[naive palm]

I wonder if anyone has tried an all liquid biofuel run yet.

[fluid sapphire]

and at that point i dont think its worth it personally to throw such a huge supply of shards in there when its so easy to build a few more generators

[shy mulch]

That would be funky. Don't think I've ever used it for anything 😂

[fluid sapphire]

(but i also like to hoard stuff so)

[fathom shuttle]

Curved belt mode was only added in 1.1???

[naive palm]

I love challenges, and the weirder the challenge the better.

[fluid sapphire]

my point is it only takes like max an hour to build the 576 generators for 144GW

[shy mulch]

If you're taking the time to make things look good then it's a full factory redesign, so take that into account

[fathom shuttle]

More like 230 if you OC

[fluid sapphire]

what are you talking about, how did the redesign get in here

[shy mulch]

I'll check my math but 200 gens and 500 gens don't usually fit in the same space

[fluid sapphire]

ok, so you saved like 25 minutes maybe

[fluid sapphire]

well, obviously you would plan space accordingly, also verticality is a thing so in terms of space on the ground, very easily you can

[naive palm]

Not to be nerd emoji ☝️🤓 but the wiki says

The Fuel Generator can be overclocked using Power Shards. Overclocking increases the fuel (and Water) consumption rate and produced power linearly. The same amount of power is always produced from the same input resources.

Does this not imply that you could simply build more generators and avoid using shards at all? Or is there an advantage to sharding?

[fluid sapphire]

people just dont want to build that many generators, even if its easy

[vestal mica]

the advantage is needing 100 generators instead of 250 or whatever

[naive palm]

Fair, fair. As I often say: time, space, and sanity are all important variables that Satisfactory doesn't track 😂

[shy mulch]

The only advantage is huge farms of fuel gens take up a lot of space and are quite cumbersome. If you like making things look nice rather than purely functional then it is a factor

[fluid sapphire]

you can very easily do both, its not an either-or situation

its not like space is limited

[shy mulch]

I could have dropped my 600 fuel gens very quickly with blueprints, or keep shards in store and build 1500 of them. But it would have looked very ugly. I wanted to spend time making everything look nice and not 'samey'

[naive palm]

600... are you guys doing a no-nuclear challenge?

[shy mulch]

I have nuclear too

And 4 boosted APAs 🤦

[fluid sapphire]

i might do nuclear later, its just that rocket fuel is very easy to set up for a lot of power

[fluid sapphire]

making 1500 gens look nice is the same process as making 600 look nice in my mind?

just more work

[shy mulch]

A lot more work

[fluid sapphire]

different strokes i guess, im not trying to race through the game so i dont particularly care how long something takes

[crisp crane]

Just did another hard drive - I already know biomass > coal and biomass > coal showed up again

[shy mulch]

I'm literally the lord of procrastination, I don't do anything quickly. But at some point you want to move onto a different thing on your to do list

[fluid sapphire]

true, if a project is too big its just too much in the end, i guess it depends on just how much you want to put into the design itself in the end, i dont do a lot myself, just enough that its ok to look at from a distance generally

i think my tower turned out OK

this is roughly the upper limit of my design
#screenshots message

[trim vine]

is it called Charcoal?

[crisp crane]

I have both charcoal and biocoal, and biocoal came up again

[trim vine]

To give my own example, and the resource I am saving is my mental well being, I produce 8k rocketfuel a minute

That would normally go into ~2000 fuel generators

Fully overclocked, ~800 fuel gennies

So sometimes its just about saving your mental from having to build a gajillion gennies

But is terms of getting the "same" power output, no, there is no benefit

[trim vine]

Screenshot of the recipe in your MAM and a screenshot of it in yourlibrary pls

[trim vine]

or a video ideally

[crisp crane]

Might have to be later for the MAM, I jsut started a research ut I'm about to leave for work

[trim vine]

No no, even if you're scanning your hard drive library is still there, assuming you didnt reroll/pick something else

[crisp crane]

I picked something else yeah

[trim vine]

Then it will come up again until you pick it

[crisp crane]

But I already have the recipe, I'm trying to upload a photo.

[trim vine]

and you can press o and check your recipes to see if you have both of the other ones too

[crisp crane]

I just put it in screenshots

[trim vine]

ok, and what was the recipe that came up in the hard drive?

[crisp crane]

Biocoal, twice now

[bright helm]

So I have 4 foundries producing steel ingots and 4 constructors producing steel beams. What will be faster with crafting a lot of versatile frameworks? 2 assemblers or 1?

[dense spoke]

Does anyone know when satisfactory will come to ps5

[trim vine]

So, doubling your production buildings, does that increase your output?

[bright helm]

It would be hard to optimize game about creativity on consoles

[bright helm]

yes

[true mulch]

"2025"