satisfactory

[white dawn]

The individual requirements for one given factory might not be extreme

Anyway, if you really don't believe me that I'm just speaking from experience, then so be it

[cerulean gorge]

i can't wait to rebuild my factories so i can build more per minute 🐟

[stable thistle]

Smaller independent factories is what I do too tbf

[wicked nacelle]

"smaller than megafactory" and "tiny" are very different.

[white dawn]

Here, my factory for Alien Power Matrix aluminum used 600/min water. ezpz from a Well. Was just making alclad for the APMs

[south sinew]

you can make like a mk5 belt of aluminium ingot on like, 200 water/min

[white dawn]

Diamonds + Time Crystals for the APM factory was also just 600/min

My Ionized Fuel factory was using 100/min water

[cerulean gorge]

what do my baby factories count as if they're small production lines dedicated to a single product doing the bare minimum like 5 reinforced iron plates a minute or other products at their resspective speed 🐟

[karmic knot]

is it a bad idea to try to run from the rocky desert to the dune desert

[white dawn]

My Electromagnetic Control Rod factory for nuclear power was only using 300/min water

Anyway, I said "so be it" and then looked up four examples of factories I've made near the endgame, so I should probably take my own advice. :D

[stray loom]

Don't you see you're playing the game wrong! /s

[dawn schooner]

how do i turn off the geiger counter noise

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think there's a setting so just don't be around nuclear stuff

[cerulean gorge]

remove the batteries

[dawn schooner]

im building a nuclear power plant lmao

[wicked nacelle]

you can build it without the uranium present 🙂

[cerulean gorge]

I have the peak solution, use biomass

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know of a setting or a mod, though. Maybe just turn off game volume while building it?

[cerulean gorge]

if i have miner mk1s that're fueling coal plants, can i use a splitter and try to do some foundaries 🐟

[wicked nacelle]

you could but I'd say find another coal node instead. You'll probably want a full one for power

[south sinew]

you can if you don't need all the coal for power

[reef basin]

Depends, is there enough coal for that?

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think he was literally asking if splitters could split coal

[cerulean gorge]

Pure Coal + Mk1: Fuelling 2 plants
Pure Coal +mk1: Fuelling 8 plants
3x Normal Coal + mk1: Fuelling 8 plants (this is a big lake location but i need a detonator to unlock deposit 4, also a normal)

[reef basin]

I don't think that either

[stray loom]

Audio > Sound Effects > Player Foley Volume

[vernal skiff]

how many hours in should I complete phase 2/

?

[reef basin]

At least two

[vernal skiff]

wow thanks greeny

[dull tiger]

If you overclock them i think you can fit at least 20

[reef basin]

I mean it's up to you how fast you'll play the game

[cerulean gorge]

I'm using 2 pure coal deposits at the south of grass fields and the coal nodes in snaketree forest that sit by a lake 🐟

[dull tiger]

or no?

[reef basin]

Check the math yourself, game gives you all the numbers 🙂

[cerulean gorge]

I'd probably need to OC existing miners or expand outwards for now

Time to expand out to dangle spires and western dune forest 🐟

[south sinew]

It would be a bit easier to use the sulfur near the blue crater to compact your eastern coal node and use that for 16 generators, then you can use the coal from the weestern coal node for steel

[last tartan]

almost done with phase 2 🤞 125 more versatile frameworks

im soooo excited

[cerulean gorge]

I dont have a detonator and I can't really produce nobelisks by msyelf yet

[smoky forge]

next phase u need a whole lot more !

[last tartan]

you're telling me i need MORE frameworks...

[south sinew]

don't need nobelisks for that

[smoky forge]

framewprks are just the start lol

[last tartan]

these things are annoying to produce 😫

[smoky forge]

u craft more parts with them

i suggest minimum 5 assemblers

[last tartan]

please dont tell me i need like 6,000 of them to advance on milestones

i just want oil 😭

[smoky forge]

to litle

no not milestones

[last tartan]

whew

the milestones are the most annoying imo

[smoky forge]

only phases, like you only need those parts for phases

[last tartan]

thank goodness

[smoky forge]

for oil u need a bunch of motors, i think like 500 for all milestones? idk

[last tartan]

blegh

i have 28 max 👍

[smoky forge]

and ofc a whole lot of steel pipes and beams

[last tartan]

pipes and beams are pretty straightforward, i dont midn them

[smoky forge]

nobody does honestly, thats why i ignore the alternate recepie for frameworks

i just dumped loke 3 to 4 industrial storages full of beams just for the frameworks

[last tartan]

i used alternates for modular frames, i hate making those

[smoky forge]

those without screws?

[stray loom]

Steeled frames ❤️

[last tartan]

yes, i used stitched iron plates w/ iron wire and then some steel pipes

[smoky forge]

nice

[last tartan]

iron wire is goated recipe

[smoky forge]

im actualy just breaking my head with all those alternates because my goal is to make a factory for every item there is

and some alternates are op af

[white dawn]

Except, eventually, for Nuclear Pasta, of course. :D Still find it a bit weird that they gave that one an Actual Use™

[smoky forge]

lmao true

wait the pasta itselfe? or just the frame of it

i dont remember any other recepie exept the uranium fuel unit and the turbo motor

[white dawn]

Well, technically the cells you make out of the Pasta. Though I suppose that is only rather optional endgame stuff, so I that does make some sense

Portals + Ficsonium, specifically (outside of BWDs)

[smoky forge]

ah

yeah i didnt go nuclear yet

just made 700 fuel gens and called it a day

[white dawn]

Though I admit I do really love the balance of requiring cells for the portals. So long as you've fully automated Pasta production for your Elevator, you're suddenly just one short step away from unlocking your portals

[smoky forge]

literaly

it took me like 15k to make the grid

[smoky forge]

portals i also didnt go into yet

just made a manual manufacturer for singularity cells bc i needed them at some point

oh yeah a mam research

[white dawn]

I continue to be amused that singularity cells are just "okay, fine, whatever, throw some iron plates and concrete in there." :D

(Yes, I know it's also DMC, but that's straightforward enough too)

[dawn schooner]

thank you

[fathom shuttle]

Is it better to build up fuel rods in a bin then connect the belts or just let the manifold saturate naturally?

[white dawn]

As usual, 🎶 *It's up to yooooou!*🎵

Though radioactive material is one of the cases where you might want to do balancers instead of manifolds, if you want to keep ambient radiation to a minimum

[spiral summit]

the fact that you can clearly see that vehicles have headlights but the devs were too lazy and just made the light come from nowhere infuriates me

[white dawn]

(Though it's really only the initial Uranium processing where you can keep ambient radiation to nearly nil with balancers; being around the other steps will generally cause the clicky-clicky even if you keep stacks/belts to a minimum)

[atomic siren]

is this too much
#screenshots message

[dull tiger]

I don’t think the 15 Minute Pause can help you anymore…

[heavy mist]

double it and give it to the next person

[dull tiger]

What items did you use?
#screenshots message

[hard ivy]

It's best to disconnect the water extractors from power until the reactors fill

Filling running reactors takes ages

Literal days if you have a lot of them

With water disconnected, it's a few hours, regardless of the number of reactors

[fathom shuttle]

Uh so I didn’t have enough foresight for that lol

[last tartan]

phase 2 complete!!! 🥳

[fathom shuttle]

So I’ll just build up around 1200 or so fuel rods so it’s one stack for every reactor

[hard ivy]

It's enough if you have the extractors on a switch

And separate switches for all fuel rods

[versed plinth]

#screenshots message this may be the second greatest qol mod of all time (closely following skyUI...)

[hard ivy]

So you can turn off individual groups of reactors if you need to fill/troubleshoot them

[fathom shuttle]

Actually I kind of did that

[deep yew]

why do my tamed lizard doggo disappear after a while :C

[fathom shuttle]

I have 1 power wall outlet/pole that connects the extractors to the main grid

So I can easily just switch it out for a power switch

[hard ivy]

You can use a prio switch so you can turn them on/off from any other prio switch on the network

[wicked nacelle]

the other one doesn't even have to be on the same grid - or any grid

[hard ivy]

Huh, good to know

[last tartan]

the space elevator looks so much cooler now that i did pahase 2

[fathom shuttle]

So saving up around 1500 uranium fuel rods will take like an hour or so, I’ll just let it run for a bit until I’m done building the filters factory and connect it to the reactors

Should fill it up and get everything working to 100% in a minute

I’ll process the waste and turn it into plutonium fuel rods, but I’ll save up a ISC of those so that’s gonna take like 5 hours

[wicked nacelle]

drones love plutonium rods, btw

[white dawn]

(so long as you don't mind irradiating your drone sites, of course. :)

[peak wasp]

Radiation never hurt nobody

[jade perch]

Exactlyyyy

[leaden turret]

sounds like a euphemism for FUD about carrying a mobile phone in your pocket

[crude canyon]

what do you guys think of new uses for mycelia

[white dawn]

I only buy phones with uranium batteries

[naive pendant]

If you’re referring to hypothetical design changes, it’s sorta a dangerous line of thought for a player to do developer type things as players can’t control what ends up in the game. Very easy to get really into theory crafting design stuff just to get disappointed when it definitely isn’t happening.

Dissuades many from entertaining that stuff at all.

[crude canyon]

good point. Saw the other day something about mushroom robots, and I remember ada talking about how the mycelia is sentient

[naive pendant]

Yea, could be cool.

[crude canyon]

and how that can be... explored

[dawn schooner]

im currently making batteries but cant think of any immediate items for the excess water use

anyone have any ideas?

[crude canyon]

coal power?

[naive pendant]

Use for the water byproduct? I thought most of the recipes use water in an earlier step.

[dawn schooner]

yeah i'll probably do that theres a pure node 200m away

[dawn schooner]

water is an earlier step and a byproduct

[naive pendant]

What apoc says

[white dawn]

I personally recommend using the byproduct water inside the same system which used it. The main thing to avoid is mixing the "fresh" and "recycled" pipes. I actually just posted a shot and some more text about it in this Q+H thread: #1397699649493536859 message

Though if you don't want to do that, yeah, there's plenty of other uses for water. :)

[fathom shuttle]

First uranium fuel rod is done let’s goooo

[white dawn]

Some folks like using Wet Concrete; can bolster your Dimensional Depot replenishment with the runoff, etc.

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll just manually hand feed one to see what happens

[dawn schooner]

thank you

[white dawn]

Or, indeed, some amount of coal power would do the trick

(Or, technically, you could package+sink, but that always feels like kind of a waste to me)

[dawn schooner]

also a little pain

[humble osprey]

I like coal burner

[fathom shuttle]

Scan for iron/copper/limestone

Grab the nearest one and dump the water into the pure/wet recipe

[humble osprey]

And also coal/caterium

[last tartan]

What do you guys suggest sinking for tickets? I’ve been using SAM that I conveyed out of a ravine but I’m not sure

[white dawn]

Literally everything! For every item you have going into storage, set up a Smart Splitter before the container, with the "Overflow" output headed to a sink

Once your storage for the item fills up, it'll sink those items forever (pausing occasionally as you take material out of storage)

[fathom shuttle]

Guys place your bets what do you think is gonna happen once I put the fuel rod in

[lime wadi]

i usually sink byproducts that i cant figure out a way to deal with efficiently, extra storage you dont need being produced, or excess space elevator parts

[last tartan]

Kadink kadink kadink reactor kaput

[fathom shuttle]

Let’s gooo we are making power

[fluid sapphire]

how much power dat

[lime wadi]

tore down my entire factory and rebuilding it from the ground up wish me luck lol

[wicked nacelle]

batteries can be fun to make but many people don't know that drones don't need batteries anymore.... so just noting 🙂

[fathom shuttle]

Not much just poking around to find some holes in the water

And already found one… one pipe isn’t getting any water

[last tartan]

Just learned I can have more than 1 sink

I am happy now

[fluid sapphire]

gotta put em everywhere

literally every factory fr fr

[fathom shuttle]

Ok that was not bad it was just a pump I forgot to connect

[humble osprey]

How much storage do you keep anyways? I keep a single large storage. That's more than enough I'll ever need

[fathom shuttle]

I was making 200GW earlier tho that’s pretty cool

[fluid sapphire]

im one of those crazy people that has anywhere between 20-60 industrial containers for almost every material heheheh

[fluid sapphire]

decent chunk heh

[fathom shuttle]

Nah I meant total, I’m making 144GW from fuel

It’s a very stable 144GW btw, with some occasional 250-750MW fluctuations

[fluid sapphire]

i had some fluctuations too, i slooped all my blenders until i got yellow lights, its rock solid now

it took less than an hour to build 500 generators, people play it up to be some kind of massive task

[fathom shuttle]

Kinda did the same, my slooped blenders feed into RF generators that consume 582/min

[white dawn]

I generally like to keep a couple of ISCs of everything. In prior playthroughs I'd adjust the amount of storage based on the item but in more recent ones I tend to just set everything the same. It's usually not until endgame/postgame that I end up needing to make use of all that storage, though

[fluid sapphire]

it takes me longer to do decor

[wicked marlin]

Quick math question:
are there enough mercer spheres to research all mercer sphere tech and build a single DD for every single manufacturable item (special items such as shards, animal stuff, and biofuel not withstanding.)

[fathom shuttle]

Yes, and a lot more

[wicked marlin]

roger roger

[white dawn]

(And of course since 1.0, 99% of my storage use comes via the Depot, though I do like to continue to build Central Storage anyway)

[fluid sapphire]

there are enough to make multiple uploaders for basically anything you want

[fathom shuttle]

Standard is to have one uploader for every item you want and like 9 for concrete

I have 9 for concrete, 6 for copper sheets and 3 for plastic

[fluid sapphire]

i have like 4-6 on average for every building item

[wicked marlin]

yeah i've never beaten the game. ever. despite having 421.1 hours in it lmao. i wouldnt know.

[white dawn]

Yeah, there's ~200 spheres available, post-research, and, what, 70ish things you might want in a Depot (including ammo, consumables, etc)

[wicked nacelle]

once you start pulling long blueprints of multiple pipes, copper sheets and plastic run out if you don't -- so yeah 100% agree on that

[fathom shuttle]

The main problem with copper sheets is the stack size imo, you can’t make any large/long pipelines because of this unless you have some in your inventory

[ivory condor]

Yes, assuming you don't get the dismantle bug i have been hearing more about, which apparently removes spheres from the world when dismantle depots, so that's a fun bug

[wicked nacelle]

I've never had that. And if someone does, they can just SCIM themselves their spheres back. I don't think anyone would consider that "cheating"

[fluid sapphire]

yeah i had to double my sheet uploading from 4 uploaders to 8 for building the generators

[wicked marlin]

need me a game that combines satisfactory, dyson sphere program, and space engineers.
a generated destrucable universe, custom made machines, the quality of satisfactory, and the goals, tech, and dangers of DSP.

[fathom shuttle]

Factorio?

[ivory condor]

Personally I haven't experienced it, some other players I have heard have, but apu scim can recover the spheres, making it more of annoying bug if anything

[wicked nacelle]

it doesn't 'recover' the spheres -- but you can give yourself any number of any item you want. and it doesn't set any "no achievement" flags or anything

[wicked marlin]

dyson sphere program is factorio, but in 3d and with more futuristic tech.
and no thats not the game i want. factorio is 2d and lacks truly destrucable enviroments. (pollution does not count)
(also i have it)

[wicked nacelle]

I've been on the fence on DSP. you like it though?

[last tartan]

thats what im thinking, i havent had an issue with losing my mercer spheres

[fathom shuttle]

All I know about Dyson spheres is that they’re big

Costs $9 here

Or $7.2 for me

[wicked nacelle]

$20 us

[fathom shuttle]

$6.4 on sale

[versed plinth]

so ive heard of a bug where you can place water extractors wherever you want. does anyone use this? is it frowned upon?

[fluid sapphire]

i havent head of that, but do what you want, why care what anyone else thinks

[steady glade]

is it still a thing? im pretty sure they patched most of it out, but you can still get old blueprints with it. either way, if you're gonna cheat, why care what people think if its on a signleplayer save

[versed plinth]

😭 i just dont wanna build wwater extractors that far man

are water trains any good? hmm

meh ill just use other alternates i think

[steady glade]

its really not that hard, unless you're talking about pipe work

[versed plinth]

I suppose

thing is I only really need like 1 pipe rn

[steady glade]

straight fluid trains are an aight but they have lower throughput than packaged fluids, although thats a whole other process

[cedar portal]

Only for tier 6 belts running at 1200 items/min. Fluid coming out of a pipe matches the amount coming out of a 780 belt. So unless you are packaging and unpackaging 2400 containers/min then fluid cars are just as good.

[hard ivy]

you can get benefits from packaging even with mk3 belts

though they're only guaranteed with mk5

[steady glade]

yes mb throughput is similar but you can pack more per car with packaging

[cedar portal]

True, but how do you get the containers back to use them again?

[steady glade]

same way you got them there in the first place, tahts why i said its a whole other process

[static hound]

Hi all, I'm new to satisfactory and have just discovered that ponds dry up when you use extractors in them. Everything I've found online says water sources are unlimited so I'm guessing it's a recent change. Before I go running pipes for miles, I'm at -1319, 2211 and there's a larger body of water here with water falls coming off it. It looks shallow but the extractor appears like it will work here and I'm hoping the presence of the water falls means it won't dry up. Any ideas/tips please?

[steady glade]

ideally you get byproducts from fuel factories, prepare loads of containers, package water on one side, unpack it on the other side and send back the empty canisters, rince and repeat

[steady glade]

ponds dont dry up

[cedar portal]

Right, but you send them back with a train on a car when you could just add another fluid car to double the amount and not deal wwith the packing and unpacking. I mean, if it's fun go for it but I don't see packing and unpacking and sending containers all over being more efficent than jusst adding another fluid car.

[hard ivy]

you use the same wagons with a second station and you get most of the benefit

[steady glade]

waterfall wont dry up either, you're fine with either

[static hound]

ok thanks. Why would water extractors suddenly stop every few seconds? they've been running fine for ages

[leaden ether]

THey wil stop like other machines if their output gets backed up.

[steady glade]

there is a ratio of freight to locomotive where max speed slows down, so add more cars does have a limit, and ideally, even though i said prepare loads of containers, it shouldn't be enough to back up either part

[cedar portal]

As I said, do whatever is fun. I just add another fluid car. I do send water in containers with drones to remote factories that need it, I like that because the drones bring back the empty containers so it's all very clean

[static hound]

Ok thanks. I'll try go figure out what's going on then. I thought there was more water here last time, but I guess not 🤣

[sick falcon]

does anyone ever use truck stops

u don’t rly need long range transport until you unlock trains

[steady glade]

meh, i might need to later but i dont enjoy it

[cedar portal]

I have a few running but they are a pita to set up the routes for

[steady glade]

for very short range, it might work without infrastructure, but it works best if you drive over flat terrain like foundations, at which point you might as well make trains

[sick falcon]

at short range just use conveyors no?

[frail sleet]

Satisfactory has that problem with trucks and trains; it's easier AND cheaper AND higher capacity to just belt stuff.

It's very difficult to make a truck or train system which doesn't take twice the time for half the throughput at absolute best, and it's often 10x the time for 1/10'th of the throughput. End result is that they're kind of there for asthetics and rule of cool, rather than being a useful system.

[hard ivy]

trains at least have the advantage of being easily expandable - you can reuse already existing rails

not so much with trucks or belts

[ivory condor]

True, main thing i dont like about trains and loading and unloading stations is size, if they were smaller you could more easily integrate into your factory

As it stands now it feels like when I do want to integrate it, it ends up being a good chunk of my factory

[crude canyon]

half the throughput depends, as their throughput is kind of locked

[wanton apex]

Any advice for how I can split a conveyor of 240/min to get 135/min going out one side?

[crude canyon]

a truck route can do like 400 per min per tractor per 100 stacks

and you don't need a lot of belts or anything like that

[frail sleet]

you can easily expand existing belt busses as well, and they take less time to build than trains

[hard ivy]

it entirely depends on distance lol

[crude canyon]

it depends on distance and stack size

but also how many trucks are you running on the route

but you don't need to upgrade it, and can carry screws and wire better than belts can

but normally I take at least 4 paths to make a route I'm ok with

[dawn ravine]

I want to use geothermal generators on my primary power grid, but the power fluctuation is annoying to deal with

could power storage buildings be used to mitigate this?

[south sinew]

yes

there's a certain number of storages per geothermal which smooths it out

they're useful for a lot of other things, like the T9 buildings have variable power draw, so I'd generally recommend having storage for up to 30 or 60 minutes of power draw

[dawn ravine]

so could I do something like geo -> storage -> switch?

[south sinew]

why the switch

just have a big bank of storage, and connect geos to the grid

[dawn ravine]

I'm mainly hoping that I could have constant power production on my grid instead of the fluctuations that geos would produce

[reef grotto]

manually crafting the stuff for Coal Power bc I gotta get rid of my biomass burners eventually

[south sinew]

adding storage isn't really going to change that

[cedar portal]

Constant power will only be temporary, higher tier machines fluctuate a LOT and it will never be straight

[shrewd lagoon]

trying to figure out trains - do I need signals for the junctions leading into a station? ss in #screenshots

[south sinew]

and there's fluctuations in consumption anyway

so you kinda just have to deal with the idea that it fluctuates

[dawn ravine]

fair

[hard ivy]

A flat power production graph with geothermal connected is basically impossible

Though there are 2 different ways to make it happen

[ivory condor]

Don't worry about, the more you add the more stable it becomes, think of it like adding multiple waves of different frequencies together, it starts to become more flat

[dawn ravine]

good point

[hard ivy]

Except they're all the same frequency and if you're unlucky they'll add constructively

[reef grotto]

guys, how much coal does 1 plant consume?

[south sinew]

it's different phases, rather than different frequencies, but the same idea applies; the odds of them applying constructively diminish with each one added

[ivory condor]

Just hope that isnt true, and if it is you can rebuild them to get the wave to become more flat

[dawn ravine]

15 reg coal per minute; you can check the different values for each supported fuel type by selecting the ℹ️ icon on the fuel slot in the CPG building's UI

[ivory condor]

I would say the chances of this being true are low enough to not have to worry about

[reef grotto]

oh damn I can support 8 coal gens off 1 pure node, nice

[leaden ruin]

if i have a blueprint with a pipe going to an edge and then place another blueprint, do the pipes autoconnect? it's not clear that it does, and it ends up with two pipeline supports where the in/out is

[crude canyon]

ok, so about tractors, I have a 3m route and a 1m30s route on my save
they're both transporting a 200 stack size item (rubber and quartz crystal)
having in consideration the max size of the tractor (25 stacks), this gives me a max throughput of 3333.33 items per min on the 90s route and half of that on the 3 min one

[high kiln]

yo guys are ore deposits infinite?

[south sinew]

yes

[reef grotto]

does anyone have a neat looking 1:5 splitter designs without smart split/mergers? I'm trying to connect 4 coal gens and have the surplus coal go towards steel

[south sinew]

you can't do any "surplus" designs without smart splitters

1:5 with one being steel isn't a surplus design

[reef grotto]

man i'm high rn

better idea, i js need a 1:4 splitter for coal, i'll split it earlier to connect steel to that since my coal node (pure) can do 8 coal gens, so half would give perfect amount for the power plant

[south sinew]

just use manifold then for the power

[reef grotto]

Thats not equal balancing

[south sinew]

equal balancing is not required

[reef grotto]

Thats 50->25->12.5->6.25 coal per assuming 100 goes on before splitting to steel

[south sinew]

no, because the first coal gen will fill up and then the rest overflows

but also, it starts at 60 because you split the coal line before the manifold

[dense violet]

If you have your steel set to only consume the excess it’ll self balance

[reef grotto]

Mb yea, that meant to be percents then

[gritty spire]

hey can someone answer my oil question in #1038092680493801533 im impatient because i need this to work lol

[dense violet]

Also- don’t mix your power and production lines. Make a dedicated power station further wa way not linked to your factory

[reef grotto]

Can't do that for a hot while

Next closest coal is far enough that belts are out of the question but not quite worth unlocking trucks when im right about to hit trains

[dense violet]

You don’t need to belt power back to you

Burn it on location and use a cable

[reef grotto]

You ain't getting what im saying

[hard ivy]

I did the math, and if I'm right, 2 randomly placed geothermals will, on average, add up their fluctuations to ~27% more than a single one. So if you keep placing them without trying to reduce the fluctuations, they'll grow

[dawn ravine]

I have a confession to make

[dense violet]

I think, as you mentioned before, that you’re high as balls.

You can make a power station far away

Without belting anything to or from it

[dawn ravine]

I forgot the name of Crater Lake in my save, so I gave it a custom name for all of my train stations and such: the Grey Lake

[reef grotto]

My closest coal node is a pure, and im not using all 120 coal for power, that'd be overkill at my current consumption, and the next closest after that is almost 1km away, so ill js split this for now and once I got trains I can also do all that

[south sinew]

You're definitely not right. The more waves of the same frequency and random phase that you add, the more likely they will sum to constant.

[dawn ravine]

gives mad harry potter vibes

[reef grotto]

And i never said "high as balls" or anything of the sort, I only said I was high?

[dawn ravine]

tbh I don't really remember most of the biome names in satis

[south sinew]

I don't recall exactly about the limited cases, like 2 waves, but they should have an equally good chance of reducing fluctuation as increasing it

[dense violet]

Yes. That’s what I’m saying . Use your closest for steel

Find distant coal for power

[dawn ravine]

the surreptitious nuclear fission that is getting the satisfactory server to go on math tangents 👀

[dense violet]

You’re going to need about 4x that much coal for power shortly anyway

[hard ivy]

Idk about more than 2, but I'm pretty confident that 2 random ones are more than 1.

(Especially because even a simple desmos example shows that only about a third of the time the random phases add up to less than 1 amplitude)

So I think the logical conclusion that if I add the third one, it'll also be more. But I'm not sure how to calculate it analytically. Might run some simulations tomorrow.

[south sinew]

Yeah, but more than 1 is not more fluctuations. If you have 2 waves going between 0 and 2, averaging 1 each, then the average value is still 2, not 1. The average value still goes up as you add more waves in this case, because they're never negative, but the fluctuation goes down (average).

[frail sleet]

absolute fluctuation may go up, proportionally it goes down

[south sinew]

oh yeah that too

[frail sleet]

proportionally is more what matters if you're gonna build 10 geothermals

[hard ivy]

Yes, that's my point. Absolute fluctuation goes up. It'll be a lower proportion of the total production, but still a larger MW difference

[frail sleet]

If they are perfectly timed together, the variance will still be the same, proportionally. Anything other than perfectly synchronous and the relative variance is reduced

[south sinew]

If you're looking at the power graph, you can only view it relatively.

[frail sleet]

so if you get 15 generators and randomly place them, they will mostly cancel each others swings out

but by absolute power, yes, more gens may fluctuate by more megawatts

especially if it's like 5, where there aren't enough for the law of large numbers to take over and desynchronise them.

[hard ivy]

Also, fun fact, the value I got is actually 4/π

And I accidentally discovered a very cursed way to calculate a wave's amplitude

[peak wasp]

how many MWh should I have as a backup?

[gritty sleet]

Has anyone else seen this bug with conveyor lifts where they don't "attach" to mergers and splitters when you snap them onto them directly as the second part of the creation step?

[prisma yoke]

if a valve has its flow limit set to zero does it still transfer head lift?

im getting the impression that that is the case but id like to double check

[peak wasp]

right now I am 1,000 MWh

[south sinew]

happens if one end of the lift ends in a floor hole that doesn't have a lift attached to the other side I found

[gritty sleet]

For me it's literally just from a ceiling hanger down to the output on a merger 😦

[south sinew]

didn't have that problem personally

[peak wasp]

1200MWh now

Maybe go for a factory that can run for eight hours on backup power

[shrewd lagoon]

anyone here know trains? need advice on signals

[wicked nacelle]

Yes lots of people do

[reef grotto]

#1038092680493801533 and ping me, that way anyone else can help but also keeps gen chat clear

[sage crypt]

hello gay people

[peak wasp]

do any of you guys use batteries?

[gritty sleet]

Yep, almost all my drones run off batteries

[peak wasp]

oh I mean like backup power stuff

[reef grotto]

You allowed to be gay and be a member of the party? Js wondering

[wicked nacelle]

Some people do but there’s no reason to make them anymore other than for funsies

[gritty sleet]

I imagine most people use those

[wicked nacelle]

Power storage. Yeah lots

[shrewd lagoon]

put a ss in #screenshots, where would I need to put blocks?

[peak wasp]

Power storage yeah

[sage crypt]

kinda

[reef grotto]

Have blocks about the size of your train

[peak wasp]

right now I am sitting at 1200MWh worth of the stuff

[wicked nacelle]

I have 15m of consumption of online power storage and another 15 m offline disconnected

[sage crypt]

you can sneak into a girls party just by saying youre gay
but then theres benefit of being secretly gay and going on a guys party

ok imma stop

[peak wasp]

wouldn't you want like eight hours of backup power?

[wicked nacelle]

Only need as long as it takes to fix your power problem

[frail sleet]

Yes, it's pretty exploity though

[prisma yoke]

fair

[reef grotto]

@shrewd lagoon have signals to prevent a train coming out if there's a train exiting (make the out-line a block) then have blocks about the size of a train to 1.5 trains on the main line, and a block for the in-line for stations to prevent all the trains tryna go in at once

[peak wasp]

with some factories I imagine power is hard to get back up

[wicked nacelle]

If you get it partially back up the power in storage lasts much longer. It’s 15m if I’m making 0 other power

[reef grotto]

Yea, mine is a pain in the arse, gotta have all my biomass burners filled with bionuggies to even get power for more than 20 seconds, so having batteries is good to keep the important stuff for power production up until it comes back on

[gritty sleet]

Priority switches, and my trick is to keep some batteries charged and DISCONNECTED from the grid by manual switch. Like near my coal plant. If the power goes down, I have enough juice to kickstart the coal, and that can kickstart everything else by cutting things in gradually.

[wicked nacelle]

The offline power works great but trying to only feed power generation with it gets really hard with higher tier power because ingredients are spread throughout the island

[gritty sleet]

Yeah I guess in that case you'd better just have a ton of stored up fuel rods

[versed plinth]

alright... computers automated at last. 15/minute no less! Space elevator, here I come!

[gritty sleet]

My oil-refinery-with-fuel-power-plant has two of the big sphere tanks full of fuel, also disconnected.

[lucid pagoda]

what are the best alts for a uranium rod assembly line?

[wicked nacelle]

That’s no different than just making some power storage except its output rate limited. Power storage has no discharge rate limit

[gritty sleet]

Yeah that's what I mean though, having offline backups

Turn off all the priority power switches, bring the power plants and their feeder systems back up first

[wanton apex]

If I have 640 iron/min to play with, do y'all think that'd be enough to make a decent amount of modular frames, rotors, and motors separately?

[lucid pagoda]

640 rods per min lord have mercy

[wicked nacelle]

Not for endgame but for midgame it’s fine if you have coal

[wanton apex]

oh no just ingots

[lucid pagoda]

oh

[gritty sleet]

That's why I was saying just keep a big storage of fuel rods for nuclear

[lucid pagoda]

i thoughts it said iron rods

[wicked nacelle]

If you’re making iron pipe then no

[wanton apex]

This is just to be able to craft for my personal use/make a stockpile for semiautomation

[peak wasp]

What keeps you from having a massive biofuel setup to turn spare plant matter into spare power

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t make mass iron rods. Make them inline as your machines need them.

[wanton apex]

Yeah that's what I'm doing

[wicked nacelle]

Stockpiling for automation doesn’t make sense you need production rates not storage. Storage runs out production rates are sustained

[peak wasp]

Like you get plants clearing roads and other areas...and then they turn off when the batteries charge

[wanton apex]

What I mean is for personal use, if I was to keep it only for personal use/construction. If I was to automate something more dedicated, I'd create another set for that specific factory

[peak wasp]

So you can just use leftover plants to make spare power

[shrewd lagoon]

How do i make a junction into 2 blocks? In case 2 trains leave connected stations at the same time. Signal at the junction just says it loops onto itself ( #screenshots )

[peak wasp]

Is there a way to disconnect power from the rest of the grid?

Like say make power go one way

So you can have a backup power thing for just one factory

[wanton apex]

You could probably create an independent power grid, but I don't think there's a way to only send power without it being returned on a grid

[wise junco]

WELL

[tulip orchid]

There's not a good "diode" system, you'd need to entirely cut the connection
I would look into Priority Power Switches though, in the Caterium tree

[wise junco]

^

I'm a huge fan of priority power switches and integrate them into every factory

[dense violet]

A switch

[willow glen]

This looks like the junction bug. Try placing the signal after the merge just a little bit further out, and I bet it will work. You can also try deleting and replacing the rails

[steady glade]

would it be easier to set up a whole new power plant in then south eastern blue crater than to bring coal, sulfur and nitrogen to the western oil beach?

[coarse vine]

Any way to rebind switching ammo type from the R key to something else?

[wicked nacelle]

No. It’s tied to reloading like many games that don’t have proper control binding.

[shrewd lagoon]

omg replacing the rail did it lol, been here for like 30 mins

[steady glade]

rebind cycle but itll do a lot more than that

[wicked nacelle]

If you place a signal and the color doesn’t change on either side of it it is bugged. Happens a lot.

[coarse vine]

I'm using ESDF so my reload is on my T key. R is my use key, so when I'm collecting slugs, somersloops, etc, it pops up the ammo switch radial.

[wicked nacelle]

It’s a pain but it’s easy to detect if you know what you’re looking for

[silver skiff]

i think im gonna start expanding outward to the desert

[wicked nacelle]

Oh wow really? Thats even weirder

[dense violet]

up to you. rocket fuel is, however, extremely skipable

[peak wasp]

YOU TAKE THAT BACK YOU SICKO

ROCKET FUEL CAN NEVER BE REPLACED IN MY HEART

[wicked nacelle]

Unless there’s an alt rocket fuel it requires for ionized fuel. Ionized fuel is not extremely skippable unless you’re saying everything not technically required to complete the story is.

Which isn’t a useful definition

[silent copper]

we can all agree that nuclear is too expensive

[peak wasp]

Why wouldn't you skip it...it uses more power to make then getting back

[lucid pagoda]

nuclear is fun sometimes

[silent copper]

sometimes...

[lucid pagoda]

and i think at a certain point it becomes worth it

[plucky plank]

im at tier 7 and 8 and i was bored so i made amassive iron refinery factory making 7800 inngots/minute but idk what to make with them any tips

[lucid pagoda]

like, if you wanna get into the terrawatt or multi terrawatt range

[peak wasp]

Use them to make power storage

[plucky plank]

7800

[silent copper]

power stoarage makes no sense too me

i just cant figure it out

[plucky plank]

i have 10 belts of 780

[wicked nacelle]

power production eats into other stuff production eventually though so it's a balance.

[plucky seal]

It stores power

[lucid pagoda]

does anyone here just love building nuclear power plants? because i have the offer of a lifetime for you, for the low low price of nothing u can suffer with me while i use all available uranium to get a total of ~1.5 GW ficsit doesnt allow breaks so neither do i :)

[wicked nacelle]

TW? Also, I used to. now it's a chore, especially the water.

[lucid pagoda]

im just gonna have the plants over the ocean and have water extractors under them

[broken egret]

that's what I did

[wicked nacelle]

it's still like 100 water extractors that you ahve to build and plumb completely by hand.

[broken egret]

built it in the marsh area and just put all the water below then piped it upwards

[wicked nacelle]

100 for just a medium sized plant

[lucid pagoda]

my finished plant is gonna be ~600 reactors

i dont wanna overclock cus looking at the finished plant will be satisfying

[wicked nacelle]

well then you could ahve 60000 of them

[broken egret]

that's gonna take so long, you're gonna burnout when you're done

i finished the game with 12 overclocked reactors

[white dawn]

Uranium is cheap; the components used to make it are trivial by that point. Plutonium is more complex/expensive, yes, but you either get "clean" nuclear out of it, or a lot more power. Ficsonim, yes, is quite expensive, but it's the only way to take advantage of that huge amount of Plutonium power while also remaining "clean"

[lucid pagoda]

mf i burn out every time i place 10 foundations, its the satisfaction of a finished build that keeps me alive

[broken egret]

i did like 500 oil burners for my fuel setup and that burnt me out

they were all in a huge tower as well lol

[lucid pagoda]

in a previous save i did a multi hundred fuel setup aswell, placing gens didnt burn me out, makin the fuel did

[broken egret]

the liquid physics really made me want to ragequit

[lucid pagoda]

cus oml this uranium shit is gonna be a multi month project

[broken egret]

when it jusy wouldn't flow then a reload fixed it

[wicked nacelle]

blueprints make placing hundreds of fuel gens trivial

biggest problem is going back to get more rubber

[leaden ether]

Sadly you can't make a 4 nuke plant BP with the built in tools like you can with the fuel generators.

[wicked nacelle]

you can put the fuel and waste lines in but yeah.

[lucid pagoda]

i have a question for yall, how should i split my loads if im dealing with multiple thousand of every resource im using? like thousands of ore, thousands of components per min? my conveyors can only do 780

[wicked nacelle]

into groups of 780? feed your refineries then divide 780 by refinery output and pull a belt every that many refinieries

then break your production into groups that eat 780/m

[lucid pagoda]

well a lot of my numbers are odd decimals so 780 wont input or output exactly, or properly

[wicked nacelle]

it doesn't need to be exact to use all the resources

manifolds will figure it out

[white dawn]

It's pretty tight, but I've found that in the 6x6 blueprinter you can create a "tileable" blueprint which includes the NPP plus a spot underneath for the water extractor. Placing a whole line of NPPs becomes pretty trivial when you've just got a couple of tasks to do after each one

Place the BP, place the extractor, connect the extractor pipe+power, and connect the power to the adjacent one (edit: oh, and copy+paste the extractor settings to OC the single extractor)

[wicked nacelle]

"the water extractor"? There are two.

[leaden ether]

Just one if not overclocking

[white dawn]

They said they weren't overclocking the NPPs, so one is sufficient

[leaden ether]

(Overclocking the reactor that is)

[wicked nacelle]

sure but then it's more than twice as much work so it's still a lot of work

[frozen cloud]

why would you oc the water extractor but not the NPP

[white dawn]

When I did it on my 1.0 save I had the additional step of connecting the input+output belts, but nowadays we've got the BP autoconnect so that would happen manually

[white dawn]

So that you can make use of a single tileable blueprint to lay down lines of NPPs?

I mean, in this case the decision to not overclock NPPs is not mine. Stated reason is "because it'll look cool."

I'm just sharing that you can do a tileable NPP blueprint which'd be ideal for that, so long as, yes, you're willing to OC the extractor

[white dawn]

In that situation, I always build things in "modules," so to speak. I figure out what the nicest single "unit" of production is, and then build everything to that spec. So I may end up with a series of identical sub-factories which all do the same thing, and then just merge together at the end or whatever

So like given my actual target production, maybe it makes sense to split things up so that each sub-factory takes in like 600/min iron (or whatever). Maybe some other resources are manifolded across the whole set of sub-factories, maybe others are split up similarly.

[dense violet]

you were making vertical manifolds? of course you were having issues. it's not the fluid physics, it's your choices here

[white dawn]

Definitely all depends on the exact situation; there'll be lots of ways to split it up

[dense violet]

fluids are as easy as you make them to be

[broken egret]

yeah i piped them all up to the top then back down again

and for some reason it only worked when i put fluid storage at the top

[dense violet]

yeah, avoid that. Stop making life difficult for you

[broken egret]

idk thats what worked and I ended up 100%ing the game

[dense violet]

ok then don't complain about the fluid physics because you're making it hard on yourself

if you keep pipes simple , they are simple. That's the short of it

[broken egret]

I mean you're literally meant to pipe it up then back down that's how everyone does it

[dense violet]

it really isn't. Keep your manifolds flat. From A to B, no splits or mergers, don't use buffers or valves, loop your manifold

if you want simple and reliable pipes. If you don't? do whatever but don't complain about it being hard when you make it hard

[broken egret]

no splits or mergers? I'd hate to see what your factory looks like

[dense violet]

no splits or merges between the outputs and inputs. Obviously the manifolds themselves need them

if you have 2 systems seperate from each other that need 200 and 300? best to just make 2 pipes with that , for example

[broken egret]

or just pipe it up then back down and the gravity will sort it automatically

[dense violet]

apparently it doesn't if fluids are making you want to ragequit

[broken egret]

until I used gravity...

[dense violet]

also - water towers don't do anything that 1 pump doesn't do

[broken egret]

have you even finished the game?

[dense violet]

all the ydo is provide headlift

[broken egret]

also makes connecting to blueprints easier

[dense violet]

yes. I have about 4000 hrs in by now, and, annoyingly, most of what I do on the server is fix people's pipes

because they mostly make it hard on themselves

[broken egret]

idk bro the water tower thing worked for everything I needed it to work for

I think you're just giving out bad advice

[dense violet]

hey, did you also know that 100% of people that confuse correlation and causation die?

[dawn ravine]

I realized recently just how crucial it is to centralize your item production after you unlock trains

[broken egret]

the fact that I fixed a problem with it MAKES it causation

I just don't thnk you're very good at the game but if you play for fun that's okay

[dark jasper]

hyper tubes not connect via blueprints or am i doing it wrong

[broken egret]

iirc they don't

when i used them they didn't but it might've been changed

[dense violet]

no, that's the thing, people confuse things that 'fix' pipes for other things. Like time. Time is a big one

that's... that's the whole correlation vs causation thing

if you see a rat in front of your house every morning it rains, it doesn't mean the rat is making it rain

[broken egret]

That's literally got nothing to do with what I'm saying lol

The water tower fixed the issue because it primes the fluid in the pipe so even if the input and output are matched but are out of sync it still accepts inputs

Hence causation

[mortal ginkgo]

How the heck a pipe issue became a space and time issue

[broken egret]

idk, he just got really pressed for no reason

it's okay to be wrong sometimes

[mortal ginkgo]

[dawn ravine]

<@&387163995947270144> we got a jerk in the chat rn

[broken egret]

whos the jerk

[boreal musk]

out of all things, i dont have pure caterium recipe, ig its time for more hard drive hunt

[stray loom]

One of these days I'll finally decide where I want things to go and stop rebuilding this factory over and over lol

[wicked nacelle]

why? trains are exactly what unlocks decentralization. They make it easy to get and send stuff from anywhere to anywhere

[vagrant oar]

train brings in raw resource, object is made at location

[wicked nacelle]

even if that were true (which .. not really) it still doesn't explain the statement I was asking about

[vagrant oar]

it's easier to bring in raw resources (usually less) than intermediates or something like that probably?

[silk ocean]

Do initial processing on-site is my usual method xD

[warped cypress]

how do you change to the homing rifle ammo from the regular ammo?

[dense violet]

hold r

[warped cypress]

ty

[wicked nacelle]

same with how you change nobelisk types, too

[latent prawn]

you'll find the homing ammo isn't all that homing, lol

[wicked nacelle]

I don't have problems with it. it's generally quite effective without worrying about precise aiming

[dense dagger]

Making my first train stop do the tracks have to be in a loop or junctions work like 1 track back and forth

[wicked nacelle]

I don't count how many shots I make but things die even if they're moving around a bunch

[wicked nacelle]

if you put an engine on each end of the train facing outward, it can go backwards to a stop 'behind' it

[latent prawn]

i don't find it very effective. I'm in the regular rifle ammo camp for when the rifle is needed

[wicked nacelle]

it has to come in to a stop with the station arrow facing the same way as the engine going forward

[dense dagger]

So 2 station at 1 place facing both directions?

[wicked nacelle]

weird. I don't know what you're doing but I don't have any problems with it and haven't heard anyone else having problems with it, either

[dense dagger]

1 for incoming 1 for outgoing

[wicked nacelle]

nah. If you're just making two stations the stations go on the very far ends of the rail with their arrows facing away from each other

[silver skiff]

slowly crawling to phase 2 completion

[wicked nacelle]

<SFF--------FFS>

S=station F=freight

[latent prawn]

about the only time i really use the rifle is for sniping hatchers. mostly i use ex-rebar

[wicked nacelle]

I've never once built a rebar gun. I rush rifle and then homing ammo and never think about bad guys again

[latent prawn]

none of the rifle ammos is really great against the ultimate versions of the critters

[wicked nacelle]

I'm honestly so confused if you're playing a different game than me

[latent prawn]

i have a lot of hrs in the game. at this point i can kill pretty much anything w/o issue with any ammo type and find that more damage per shot from a jetpack hover is the fastest way for me

[dense dagger]

Nice it works now, thank you

[latent prawn]

even before TRA got nerfed in EA, it still wasn't enough to unload a single clip to kill a green spider

[silk ocean]

In Nukes we trust xD

[wicked nacelle]

why does it have to kill it in a single magazine (it's not a clip)

[silk ocean]

mag xD

[latent prawn]

doesn't have to, but for the bother of making HSC's, i'd like the ammo to actually be good, lol

[peak wasp]

does anyone know if stuff like trees regrow? or if i cut it its gone forever? cuz no trees makes it look ugly

[dense violet]

they do not

don't cut the trees then

[silk ocean]

Gone gone forever gone xD

[wicked nacelle]

I think you can use SCIM to put them back somehow? also bacon mush are also gone once you pick them

[peak wasp]

i needed for biofuel

[peak wasp]

what is scim Im new to the game

[dense violet]

just punch bushes

[rotund flare]

man i WISH they made a feature where you can join a server anytime (mostly cause its a pain tryna get my friend to get on..)

[dense violet]

a save editor and a 100% exploration spoiler

[peak wasp]

well i do both

[silk ocean]

Hack the save to bring them back xD

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map you can upload your save, modify it, then download it again and play it

[peak wasp]

uh

[dense violet]

I mean it's your choice. You're the one complaining about trees being gone when you can just use animals and bushes

[peak wasp]

animals?

[dense violet]

turn the meat to bio mass

[peak wasp]

U CAN DO THAT?

[reef wedge]

Any pros online? I need help with my fuel power generators:/

[dense violet]

look at your recipes 😛

[wicked nacelle]

either by hand or in a constructor

[dense violet]

but I've started like 7 maps and never had to cut down trees for bio fuel

[peak wasp]

leaves wood and mycelia

[wicked nacelle]

don't ask to ask, just ask

[dense violet]

there's one for the shells and things as well

[peak wasp]

one thing is sure i wont need it anymore cuz il unlock coal next

[reef wedge]

What

[peak wasp]

so its gonna be time to delete everything and do it all over again

[frozen cloud]

👋

[wicked nacelle]

just ask your question and you'll find out if anyone can help you

[reef wedge]

Can I dm you? Or do a vc?

[silk ocean]

Time to rid of that Phase 3 StarterFac xD

[frozen cloud]

nah

[reef wedge]

I can not type it, too complex

[reef grotto]

16hrs in my world and i finally got coal power mostly setup but i need to make a 1:4 balancer so the last CPG can get more than less than 1 coal/min

[frozen cloud]

"more than less than"

<

[wicked nacelle]

load balancers don't give you more of the resource. so if you're out and you feed one more you will feed one (or more) less. Just underclock the last one if you want steady power from it

[reef wedge]

I have no orange fuel going into it I can’t seem to figure out how to have high production

[dense violet]

you never need to make a load balancer to make things work

[frozen cloud]

diluted fuel alt recipe

[reef grotto]

I do need to, and if you want you can just get on my world and see for yourself

[reef wedge]

I’ll look it up idk what that is

[wicked nacelle]

or diluted packaged fuel if you don't have blenders yet

[reef grotto]

I might also just need to upgrade the feeder belt (before it goes to the first split) to a lvl2 belt

[dense violet]

just an alt recipe

[reef wedge]

In the mam? Is it hard to get

[dense violet]

well you need hard drives

[frozen cloud]

its rng so i guess?
depends on how many hard drives you wanna get

[reef wedge]

Oh ok

[silk ocean]

All of them xD

[reef grotto]

Could be first one you get, might be the last one you even get

[reef wedge]

Oh it’s random?

[dense violet]

when you scan a hard drive it gives you to options from the available pool.

all the recipes are useful though, get as many as you can

[frozen cloud]

ish
can only get stuff you can use

[reef grotto]

Sadly that's technically the best English way to say that exact thing

[wicked nacelle]

not all the recipes are equally useful but eventually you will unlock them all

[summer mulch]

I finally found this game! I remember years ago seeing something about it and a friend talking about it but lost it. Recently came across a dev reaction to YouTuber brakes his game and im in love now lol. I am a lowly console player but I've seen online that it should come to console and I hope lile hell thats true.

[reef grotto]

I need more than the coal that it gets, which averages to be less than 1 coal

[reef wedge]

I see, so is it best to avoid fuel till then?

[dense violet]

up to you. You can always make another fuel sation later

personally I just make like 64 coal gens and it lasts me until tier 7

[reef grotto]

Not entirely, but it'll be less efficient/simple without that recipe

[frozen cloud]

"can get more than 1 coal/min"

[reef grotto]

Mfw biomass burners until finish

[reef wedge]

64 coal ? 😂 we have 5

[reef grotto]

But it ain't 1 coal, its less than one, but not quite a number I know per say

[silk ocean]

I completed phase 5 without using any alt recipes, they are not needed xD

[dense violet]

every start zone has at least one area with 3-4 coal nodes next to water - go there and use it all for power. You'll need it

build like 32, and when you get mk3 belts, another 32

[frozen cloud]

but if its less, then "more than" still holds

[reef wedge]

Can you build all 64 there?

[dense violet]

if you have the belts and nodes? sure

did you start in the grassy fields?

[reef wedge]

First world

[dense violet]

all the same map 🙂
but from that zone it's north north west over a hill past a cliff

not tooo far off. Use the nearby coal for your steel

[reef wedge]

So with the nodes in spot

[dense violet]

yup, 4 nodes, though one you need explosives to clear

[frozen cloud]

isnt it 2?

[reef wedge]

How many burner things can I use off 1 node on average?

[frozen cloud]

not sure

[dense violet]

depends what you clock your miner to and what your belts can move
often time at teh start you'll be mining 120 with a mk2 belt

[reef wedge]

I have mk4 belts

And mk2 minders

[dense violet]

and you only have 5 coal gens??

[reef wedge]

I’m new

[dense violet]

mk4 belts is pretty far along 😄

[reef wedge]

We had more

[frozen cloud]

wait you have mk4 belts?
go make fuel power

[dense violet]

but yeah you coudl easily make 64 gens there

[reef wedge]

I tried to do fuel but I don’t understand it

[dense violet]

fuel is also an option, depends if you want to get into piping.

I wait till later

[reef wedge]

It’s not giving me any

My fuel plants just keep turning in and off

That’s the issue lol

[dense violet]

either math or pip error. It happens

[boreal musk]

that just means youre not producing enough fuel for your gens

[dense violet]

or a poor layout

[reef wedge]

I’m just new

[dense violet]

it happens 🙂

pick a goal and go. If you run into issues, ask

[frozen cloud]

pipes are black magic
its ok

[reef wedge]

What’s the process? Like my oil makes the purple fuel and rubber and then purple fuel to yellow fuel into the fuel gen thing

Does that sound right

[dense violet]

that's one process.
depends on which recipe chain you use

[frozen cloud]

just feed the polymer resin into an awesome sink imo

[boreal musk]

are the plastic and rubber backing up? cuz you need to sink them in order to keep producing residue since its a byproduct

[reef wedge]

I didn’t know about sinks

I think they might be

[dense violet]

this is also a chain you can do https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=02icK3DhZHpIVDGqSjfD

[boreal musk]

you always want sink to keep fuel plant always running

bcs they have byproducts

[reef wedge]

Hmm I’ll check it

[boreal musk]

use smart splitter at the end of the line and set the overflow into awesome sink

[reef wedge]

Idk that

If anyone cares to come check it I can invite to my world 😅😅

[boreal musk]

smart splitter is unlockable in the caterium MAM tree

[silk ocean]

looking for group channel xD

[reef wedge]

Yeah I did the sink , not helping

[boreal musk]

the point of the sink is to keep production of residue keep running, to make fuel for your fuel gens

[silk ocean]

Sink all teh excesses to keep the fac running xD

[reef wedge]

Yeah it’s not doing anything for me -_-

I have a pure coal node hooked with mk2 miner into (rubber and purple fluid) rubber into sink and purple into orange fluid. Into 3 fuel gens

[silk ocean]

Just work backwards, find the bottleneck

[reef wedge]

Mk4 cons

Idk I just don’t understand it

I’ll just stick to coal I guess

[silk ocean]

Does it have a biproduct?

[reef wedge]

Rubber into sink

[frozen cloud]

relevant dosh quote
"i dont get why people get confused at oil"
"heres a tip: youre supposed to connect the fluid output to the fluid input"

[wise junco]

can you show us screenshots of your setup in #screenshots ?

[reef wedge]

Yes

[wise junco]

sometimes it's easier just to see

[reef wedge]

That’s what I was trying to say earlier

[silk ocean]

Can you share again xD

[reef wedge]

Posting now

I can stream too

[boreal musk]

barely can see anything

show the overhead image from bird's view instead

[reef wedge]

How

[boreal musk]

press p and r

free view camera mode

[reef wedge]

I don’t have a keyboard

[silk ocean]

Could you go into the Reffy and photo that

[reef wedge]

What?

[wise junco]

agree, would like to see screenshots of the refinery screens

[silk ocean]

I'd say E on the Refinary but if no keyboard, not sure xD

[reef wedge]

Posted

In Screenshots

[wise junco]

do you have a pipe connected to the output of the refinery making fuel?

[boreal musk]

seems like youre not producing enough residue

[wise junco]

that refinery is sitting idle even with 10/6 heavy oil residue in it which makes me interested

[boreal musk]

youre only producing 20/min

so that machine is at 33.3333% efficiency

[wise junco]

and yes, soranei is right on the math too

[boreal musk]

you can underclock that refinery to 1/3 clock

[reef wedge]

Pipes are connected

[boreal musk]

and see how much fuel it produce with that clock, and place x amount of gens

[reef wedge]

I’m sorry I’m only understanding half of this I’m 2 days in

[boreal musk]

i did the math, youre only producing 13.3333/min fuel, and you have 3 fuel gens consuming 60/min fuel in total

[reef wedge]

Yes

[boreal musk]

you only want 1 gen and underclock it

[reef wedge]

But idk how to make more fuel

Surly I can?

Off a pure oil

[boreal musk]

more rubber/plastic refinery > more heavy oil residue > more fuel

pure oil node at 100% clock can support 4 machines

[silk berry]

I haven't played since like v0.7, is the HDR super-sized photo mode not a thing anymore?

[reef wedge]

Oh so I need more refinery’s

[boreal musk]

have u tried the new photo mode?

[silk berry]

yeah, I don't see the HD setting anywhere though

[boreal musk]

press tab for further customization

[silk berry]

it used to 4x your resolution for screenshots

[reef wedge]

Roughly how many refineries does it need to have to be efficient

[wise junco]

depends on your clocking settings

[silk berry]

use math buddy

[boreal musk]

check the refinery, how much oil it consume?
check the oil node, how much oil it produce?

very simple math

[reef wedge]

Basically 1 pair of refineries is not enough

[silk ocean]

I could recommend a keyboard xD

[reef wedge]

I’m playing on an Asus ally

Handheld

[silk ocean]

I had to Google what that is xD

[reef wedge]

I will just try and find a video that shows me how to make an efficient fuel burning setup

[wise junco]

it just depends on how many shards you're wanting to use, if you're wanting to sloop output... there's so many variables that it's hard to tell you what you seek

[boreal musk]

all of it are just math, its not that complicated especially with basic fuel recipe

you can even just do oil into fuel directly for simplicity

[bleak pollen]

I just unlocked p3 and I’m wondering how oil works; I’ve explored a decent amount of the map and I haven’t seen any deposits

[boreal musk]

press and hold V and select the oil node

[bleak pollen]

Just as in 2 seconds ago

[trim vine]

whats a decent amount then?

There are massive oil reserves on the west, north and eastern parts of the map

Literally the only area not lousy with oil is the grasslands

[bleak pollen]

What I’m seeing is that there are oil deposits and I just haven’t found them ok then

[boreal musk]

literally just use scanner and you will find them

[silk ocean]

Time for an adventure, take supplies xD

[bleak pollen]

I thought maybe you could just put em anywhere and get oil but I guess not

[willow glen]

they are intentionally a bit away from the starter area, you’ll likely want to use trucks or trains to get the rubber and plastic back home

[trim vine]

salutes

[placid stirrup]

Oil in grasslands? When?

[trim vine]

the only finite resources are the raw ones 😛

[trim vine]

the only area NOT lousy with oil

[placid stirrup]

Grasslands don't have oil, are you talking about islands or blue crater?

[silk ocean]

North Coast is good

And beautiful

[trim vine]

-walks away from this conversation-

[wise junco]

Tsunami

[placid stirrup]

Me

[trim vine]

-stares in 4200 recycled plant-

[silk ocean]

The Coral Reef must be protected xD

[willow glen]

nah I need the mycelia more than they do

[placid stirrup]

With 🇺🇸 freedom 🇺🇸

[silk ocean]

Go to the swamp for that xD

[willow glen]

but then you have to go to the swamp

[silk ocean]

Danger Spider Danger xD

[placid stirrup]

You just invoke my name then disappear?

[wise junco]

My intentions are unknown

[placid stirrup]

Ain't that the truth

[wise junco]

lmfao

[placid stirrup]

I'm starting to feel the itch to get back

[wise junco]

YESSSSSS

[placid stirrup]

The nuclear plant would be really satisfying to get going

[silk ocean]

Just remember to recycle 😉

[stuck oak]

Is there a trick to refineries?

I've got pipes full of crude and the refineries are powered, but no production

[versed plinth]

i am struggling to make the basic iron ingot recipe not hate me

/ give me bad numbers. i can't fit a 8:10 solid steel setup with it :/

well, actually, maybe i can... its just not gonna be pretty

[willow birch]

Did you find a way to manage heavy oil?

[silk ocean]

Needs processing? xD

[versed plinth]

256 limestone / minute is not very fun

[placid stirrup]

Not exactly looking forward to the plut part, just the uranium processing is... Extensive

[dense violet]

have you unlocked clocking in the mam?

[versed plinth]

i suppose i could just do that

[dense violet]

clocking is the single most powerful logistics tool in a logistical problem solving game. Don't ignore it

[silver skiff]

138 more versatile frames to go until phase 2 is done

[versed plinth]

ive been stingy on shards... prob worth using to save some time

[stuck oak]

i mean i was going to eventually make a use for it, but at the moment its just leading into a fluid buffer

[dense violet]

underclocking a machine takes no shards

[stuck oak]

main issue though is that there's just 0 production at all

[dense violet]

take some overhead images of your set up and put them in a #1038092680493801533 post

[versed plinth]

the problem is that when i did that the numbers worked out to 256 limestone per 480 belt, which is not a very nice numebr

[dense violet]

how is it not nice?

if you need 256 limetstone you need 256 limestone

[placid stirrup]

256 is a whole number, that's a dub

[versed plinth]

256 doesnt work well with any belt numbers available to me. A full 480 belt would only fill 1.875 stacks...

[dense violet]

that has zero to do with any aspect of the game.

[versed plinth]

i guessss

[dense violet]

if your machines need 256 limestone per min, you just feed them 256 pm on any belt that can manage it

[boreal musk]

did you perhaps connected them to output instead of input hole?

[dense violet]

are you trying to load balance everything?

[versed plinth]

ya

[dense violet]

well that's your issue. Load balancing is a ton of work you have to plan everything around

[stuck oak]

I JUST NOTICED IT MYSELF I'M SO DUMB

[dense violet]

your solution is 'don't load balance'

[stuck oak]

set the whole thing up with 8 refineries all backwards

[placid stirrup]

first time?

[versed plinth]

sadge

i think i might be able to fiddle with the limestone i have to make it a work nicely.

[dense violet]

well that's the thing about load balancing, especially if you're doing it over multiple steps, you need to plan each and every step very carefully with all the numbers and clockings

but that's a you issue. You never have to do this.

if you don't like punching yourself in the face I recommend not punching yourself in the face

[versed plinth]

a compelling argument

[dense violet]

but if you do like punc.. I mean load balancing, then accept the hurdles you'll face

[versed plinth]

tbh? imma have to redo it later anyways. ill just use my old foundry blueprint

but its 4x4 not 5x5... welp time for a quick redesign

at least i have jetpack 😵‍💫

[silver skiff]

i built a giant platform but i dont know what im even gonna put on it

ill probably wait until phase 2 is done and then plan around that

[dense violet]

dump a bunch of uranium waste on it and jet off into the sunset

[versed plinth]

aka: poop and scoot

[silver skiff]

nah ill probably try and move everything over here

and organize

[placid stirrup]

Have fun don't die

[dense violet]

or do, we're not your mum

[grizzled lotus]

can I set a tractor to load and unload at a station?

I want it to pick up coal and unload it at a station, but also pick up Black Powder and put it somewhere else

[dense violet]

there might be filters on it? check the panels. But I don't think so

prob easier to use 2 trucks.

[silver skiff]

i have not messed with tractors like at all but can you not just do two stations

[grizzled lotus]

guess I will

also, I found a weird cave ||that a lot of doggies in it||

do the tractor and truck have the same speed?

[placid stirrup]

Truck is faster

[silver skiff]

900/1000 versatile frameworks

[rich torrent]

I set up my first train station but it wont load cargo

[thin bramble]

u need 2500 for the next phase 😭

[bronze atlas]

I don't see anything obvious, does anyone know if its possible to assign an alternate key to a keybinding, like how some other games have 2 different keybinds for the same function? Im hoping to assign my extra mouse buttons to crouch and jump but i dont want to lose the crouch/jump function on the keyboard if possible.

[grizzled lotus]

does it stop at teh station?

[silver skiff]

ill worry about that later

[rich torrent]

yes Its an A to B back to A type setup

[grizzled lotus]

are you sure the timetable is set up correctly?

[dense violet]

I would imagine those multiple actions same button are context sensitive , there' aren't really contexts like that in satisfactory

[grizzled lotus]

I need tips. I'm in phase 4, should I be automating everything? For example, do I need to automate high-speed connectors and all its components?

wondering if some items aren't really important enough to have their own factory

also, I keep losing track of where my different stuff is at

[trim vine]

Let me ask you this; do you care about fully automating elevator parts?

[valid sonnet]

Are tier 9 structures power hungry? I slooped and used 3 power shards on one particle accelerator and it takes 20 Gigawatts ( I make about 51 GW) is it gonna be enough for phase 4?

[white dawn]

For that problem in specific, I'd recommend going on some expeditions to hunt for spheres, and invest heavily in Dimensional Depots

[trim vine]

Dont sloop. build more machines

[wicked nacelle]

if you want to rush late game parts then don't automate elevator partsjust stock up their components in containers and then move them to a temporary "factory" that builds from those parts -- and sloop all the final machines

[dense violet]

Yes

[white dawn]

I'm quite fond of building Central Storage, but by the time you're in Phase 4, it's quite possible to have a very robust Depot setup

[trim vine]

They are somewhat power hungry in that they are all variable power, but if you're not slooping/sharding, its not bad

[grizzled lotus]

and keep topping-up my dimensional storage?

[dense violet]

don't sloop the machines and you won't have much problem though

[valid sonnet]

alright thanks guys

[white dawn]

Yeah; your factory that makes Computers goes into an ISC (or whatever) which feeds into a Depot. That way you mostly never have to care where the Computer factory is, because whenever you need computers it just comes out of the depot

[white dawn]

As for that question: I always automate anything that the build gun uses.

[fast tendon]

Is there a word for a group of beans

[trim vine]

yes, a pod

[grizzled lotus]

only trouble with that is that I don't have enough mercer spheres to build a depot for each part. that sounds super end-game

[trim vine]

@grizzled lotus

[valid sonnet]

I mean you use those to make supercomputers so i guess you should?

[white dawn]

So High-Speed Connectors: yes, I'd automate those. For Circuit Boards, though, I wouldn't personally have a separate factory for those, since they're never used in Pioneer building. If some other factory does need circuit boards, I'll just make some right inside that factory, but I'm unlikely to have an actual Circuit Board factory itself

[bronze atlas]

yeah but what i meant was space bar jumps. mouse 4 ALSO jumps, not different context sensitive function, same function on more than one button.

[fast tendon]

HSC are also used for power pole 3 which is pretty important

[trim vine]

mercer spheres are actually early game tech honestly, there are 298 mercer spheres on the map, you only need a handful for "building materials" and a few extra for belt/pipe materials

[white dawn]

It does take a nontrivial amount of effort, but by that phase of the game you can probably spare the time. There's about 300 spheres on the map; you need ~100 to fully upgrade in the MAM, which gives you ~200 to use for Depots.

I admit that building it out is easiest if you've been exploring periodically as you go through the game, so you don't have to do it all at once

[stuck oak]

i love that the nobelisk model is the fancy thing but the crafting recipe is just blasting powder and a pipe lmao

[fast tendon]

Also a handful of alts use HSC if you're into that

[stuck oak]

actual pipe bomb

[white dawn]

And of course the nice thing about going out sphere-hunting is that you also come back with sloops, hard drives, and DNA. :)

I continue to be happy at how 1.0 buffed exploration rewards

[trim vine]

and a reinforced fear of ||green stingers||

[stuck oak]

i see lots of talk about DNA

are coupons that valuable?

[white dawn]

The Trauma Is Free™!

[bronze atlas]

if you want all the buildables yea

[trim vine]

FICSIT does not waste

[trim vine]

yes

[white dawn]

If you only care about getting the "useful" stuff from the MAM, then you don't need to focus on coupons that much really -- it's not hard to buy out the shop. Continued DNA-acquisition and item sinking eventually becomes the realm of folks who also want to buy all the shop's trophies, including the golden nut

[dense violet]

if there is only one slot for buttons you only get the one slot. The settings should make it obvious

[grizzled lotus]

to be honest I've only bought a few architecture stuff, there are probably valuable designs I don't know much about yet. But the coupons are helpful for I want to finish a phase or unlock something and just need to get parts quickly

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that the more coupons you acquire, the harder they become to get (they keep getting more expensive)

I'd recommend at least buying the shop out of the "useful" stuff before you spend too much on parts

(And if you do think you'll ever want to go for those trophies, stay away from parts altogether)

[bronze atlas]

sometimes things have less than obvious solutions. Like for example, this game doesnt have 3rd person perspective play by default, but its available as a mod, so if you don't about modding and don't ask, you might never find it. Thats why i asked, to see if there was something i didnt know.

[white dawn]

If you don't care about trophies, though, part purchases are unlikely to sting too much

[split marsh]

anyone wanna vc? im fine playing my own just wanting someone to talk with

[trim vine]

a massive amount of logisitcal items in there too though

[white dawn]

(and even if you do, just a few times is unlikely to impact your time-to-golden-nut too much. :)

[dense violet]

that's not a great argument. You can ask if there's a way for pink ponies to shoot out your butt, and you could say 'mods'

if you want to ask about settings mods though

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[rich torrent]

I dont undersand this interface at all

[bronze atlas]

Thank you for the link. More things i didn't know. 👍

[grizzled lotus]

the timetable is kind of easy. add the stations it will stop at, then highlight the station name and a gear icon will appear, click on that and you can choose what to load and unload.

[trim vine]

If you still need help, please shoot me a DM and I will be free to help with trains tomorrrow

[rich torrent]

its 100ft away from the station and says It cant reach it

[trim vine]

@willow glen might be able to help as well

[trim vine]

if you need it done tonight

[boreal musk]

your station is backwards?

[grizzled lotus]

that's why I asked before if your train stops at the station, and you didn't clarify

trains should reach the station first on their own, then think about loading or unloading

[rich torrent]

how can i tell?

[trim vine]

is it pointing in our out?

it should be pointing out

[willow glen]

arrow should be in the direction the train pulls into the station

the train’s forward locomotive will stop there

[rich torrent]

tyvm

[willow glen]

happy to help with the advanced timetable stuff too, but it’s primary use is for only loading specific parts of a train, at a stop that services multiple trains. Not useful for a direct route of just one train

for example my last use was I had an aluminum train, and a plastic train unloading at a station. That way the aluminum train didn’t unload copper ingots instead lol

[rich torrent]

That was my problem
I assumed the arrow wanted to be the direction the train LEFT the station

[willow glen]

common mistake, no worries

it makes more sense when the train is monodirectional (only one locomotive), but that leads to much bigger stations, and they’re already big.

[silver skiff]

1000🎉

[vernal skiff]

Someone tug it when I play

[silver skiff]

what should i start with on tier 5 and 6

[boreal musk]

check the milestone

[vernal skiff]

Steel beams

[willow glen]

I mean you need oil to do pretty much anything in that tier besides have an awful jetpack, so go make some plastic and rubber!
I usually wait to deal with the HOR until I unlock fuel, but you can use the coke in a coal generator if you like, or just sink it.

[silver skiff]

i went straight for jetpack because i saw jetpack and was like "thats awesome" and got a jetpack

[grizzled lotus]

I haven't unlocked drones yet. do they function like the drones in The Planet Crafter?

[ashen spruce]

Wait until ||Hoverpack|| (Spoiler Warning ig)

[burnt coral]

anyone wanna play i js started

[ashen spruce]

No idea, have only played the demo for maybe 30 minutes

[ashen spruce]

#1201555265942724758

You're most likely gonna find someone there.

[grizzled lotus]

they basically move stuff from storage to storage after assigning them

[ashen spruce]

That, but with Fuel.

[grizzled lotus]

are they a game-changer?

[ashen spruce]

Trains are.

Drones have throughput issues big time.

Unless it's a short Distance.

Aswell as they need a lot of fuel.

[boreal musk]

just add more drones

[ashen spruce]

You need more fuel then.

Which uses more of your Oil.

[boreal musk]

you will not use every oil in the map

[ashen spruce]

Which you need for other things.

[radiant swallow]

oh ffs, why do i get nitric acid so late???

i just set up a bunch of fuel refining, set up nitric acid and wanted to select the nitric acid recipe and i can't... checked the milestones and i can only get is after unlocking milestone 8???

[ashen spruce]

Drones aren't viable at more than 3-4km distance.

Or you just need to many.

[ashen spruce]

What Tier are you?

[radiant swallow]

im tier 8

[ashen spruce]

Then unlock it.

[boreal musk]

they are viable at any distances

[ashen spruce]

Pretty sure you need Blenders for Nitric Acid tho

[radiant swallow]

i have to manually crafter a bunch of stuff first which needs more setting up

[ashen spruce]

Not imo

[radiant swallow]

i have everything. i need the nitric acid for my fuel generators.

[ashen spruce]

It's less pain to set up train.

[boreal musk]

and drone fuel isnt a problem

rocket fuel is average 2-3/min
turbo fuel is 10/min at average

plutonium fuel can last hundreds of trips each rod

[radiant swallow]

drones seem to a newbie like me that they are meant to ship over a few items you don't need many of, like making nuclear pasta in the desert and shipping them over via drones

[ashen spruce]

Turbofuel takes even more Sulfur and Coal 🥀

[boreal musk]

theres enough sulfur and coal in the whole map

[ashen spruce]

It's more a time problem tho

Fuel is one part, the other is that drones are slowish.

[radiant swallow]

look, im currently making about 3600 rocket fuel, i will have enough fuel for the drones lol

well technically im making 4000, but 400 will be for packaged rocket fuel

[boreal musk]

even 600/min packaged rocket fuel is already plenty enough for your whole save

[radiant swallow]

im using 3600 for fuel generators

[ashen spruce]

Ficsonium Fuel

[radiant swallow]

i dont think i wanna know what that is lol

[boreal musk]

ficsonium cant be used as drone fuel

[ashen spruce]

Really?

[boreal musk]

no

[ashen spruce]

That's dumb.

[boreal musk]

even then, ficsonium is very expensive

[dense violet]

you can use drones for any volume realistically. Don't listen to them

the infrastructure is very easy to set up

[ashen spruce]

It's just my opinion bruv.

What do you want?

[radiant swallow]

yeah i mean, i figured they work around the same way as bots in factorio. they are very easy to set up but not really meant for mass resource transport like trains lol

[latent prawn]

really drones are best for items with 500 stack size or when you are shipping in both directions, like in a un/packaging loop with nitrogen

[dense violet]

Realistically you can move everything in your world by drones if you like. Just costs fuel.

and the fuel isn't much work

especially if you use plutonium rods

[radiant swallow]

hm. i hoped they would work on electricity

[dense violet]

technically batteries can be used as fuel?

[ashen spruce]

Trains do.

[dense violet]

technically 'electricity'

[radiant swallow]

yeah but that is a bit much

[dense violet]

but everything runs off 'electricity' in the game if you want to get down to it. You just use different 'fuels'