satisfactory

[viral tendon]

Atleast for games

[boreal musk]

yes, but you also need to unlock the creature scanning from MAM

[dreamy bane]

okie thanks

[boreal musk]

iirc it only scan their aggresiveness, not the actual enemies

[vital crane]

is it normale that the objet scanner is broken to the max ??

[boreal musk]

wdym by broken

[dreamy bane]

wait how do i build it? ive unlocked it alrdy in the mam

[vital crane]

always say that your next to the objet scanning for

[vital crane]

even if it isent true

[dreamy bane]

nah thats not normal

[boreal musk]

the object scanner? its in equipment workshop

[vital crane]

ik

[boreal musk]

that means the item you scan for is in the cave or underground

[dreamy bane]

no the resource scanner i wanna scan for creatures

[vital crane]

ik but ik the map and there is no cave

[boreal musk]

sometimes cave entry is far from the things u scanned, its the challenges of those cave exploration

[foggy heart]

Fuel powered generators only produce as much power as I need right? Or do they produce at max capacity all the time?

[viral tendon]

So you're planning to upgrade or no?

[vital crane]

but i mean it filles the intier bar even if the item isent even near mee in near a kilometer

[boreal musk]

generator always produce power at its max production, they doesnt work the same as burner

[foggy heart]

Okay nice

[boreal musk]

are you sure its not near you? have you check scim?

[viral tendon]

For games or just to get it for work?

[vital crane]

yes

ik for sure

100%

[boreal musk]

load and save?

[vital crane]

oh

oohhhh

i found the issue lol

its a mode that increases the objet scanner range from 25.000 to 500.000

so its finding the item on the other side of the map lol

[boreal musk]

classic

[vital crane]

idk why i even have it

anyways

thanks for troubel shooting

i though 1.1 broke it

[leaden ether]

Well the stock object scanner radius is kind of small...

[vital crane]

well its annoying that when im in the grass fields it can find smth in the dessert

when i want to find smth close to mee

[viral tendon]

250ms

[cerulean gorge]

what does a yellow light on a smelter 🐟

[leaden ether]

It's idling due to lack of input or it's output buffer is full

[bitter agate]

Me when i'm calculating how many Biomass burners I can feed with the massive stockpile I have

[trim vine]

So I have a pipe highway (8 pipes of Nitrogen @600) and all but 2 of the pipes have a flow rate of 241.

The 241 is consistent across multiple segments of pipe

Any idea why this is happening?

[leaden ether]

and the end of the pipe(s) have machines that are sinking the full 600?

[trim vine]

Yes, 4 blenders for cooling systems at 150 a pop, most of which are idling due to lack of gas

Restarted my game, just in case, down to 217.....

I'm going to check the extractor, maybe I forgot to overclock

but the bottom two are at 600....

[leaden ether]

Heh I've done that more than once. Usually deleting and repositioning an extractor or minter and forgetting to re boost it

[trim vine]

Lets hope thats it, will check back in a few minutes

No, they are overclocked

Literally one of the 600 ones is just bouncing from 0 to ~250

[boreal musk]

if its me, i wont max the pipe to 600,ill just let them at 300 each so they have enough room

[leaden ether]

try deleting and replacing? :/

[noble topaz]

one question, how big would your factory be by the time you got done with phase 1
and its your first playthough

[trim vine]

I understand some folk dont like doing 600 on the pipes, and if it was hovering in the ~500's or so, sure, but I use a ton of pipes at the 600 mark and they all work fine, til now 😛

[trim vine]

-stares in miles of pipes

[leaden ether]

No just the one(s) that are misbehaving

[trim vine]

I've checked segments going from the factory to the extractor, all with the same reading

The extractors arent backing up though

Which is really weird

[leaden ether]

Oh.. that is weird :( Though maybe just the first segment?

[boreal musk]

they do work fine at 600, but you do need to be extra careful with it, have u tried by flooding the nitrogen first?

if it still starving, theres probably somethings wrong

[trim vine]

All segments

So, to make matters more weird, the furthest one (the 3rd) was not overclocked, so thats been fixed, but the other ones seem to be not working either. despite filling their own pipes...

Gonna rebuild the piping going into the

[cerulean gorge]

i poorly automated steel rods, plates, and wires 🐟
am i satisfactory 🐟

[trim vine]

Yeah, I flooded the gas first, since gas is weird

[cerulean gorge]

satisfactory managed to make the 2 hour steam refund window just disappear 🐟

[trim vine]

Fixed it

So it was the third one causing problems, on the second extractor, its being under used at a lower floor for nitric acid, and miscounted the pipes on the ascent up, most of which at that point come from the third and farthest extractor

It is now self correcting

[peak wasp]

So 1200 steel bars?

#screenshots message

[timid rune]

yeah

do you have encased pipe alt as well?

[peak wasp]

Nope

[foggy heart]

hey can someone send a screenshot of their refinery outputs? Struggling to find a neat way to do it

please

[tranquil hemlock]

I can in a moment. It won't be perfect, but I'll leave the judging to you XD Just gotta run over there

[fathom shuttle]

Help

[gritty sleet]

Do the new buffer stops have a speed limit where they just derail the train anyway? Or do they work at any speed?

[fathom shuttle]

How do I combine 6 belts of 390 (will be 600/min in the future) into a train with 4 cars?

[boreal musk]

6:4 belt compressor

[fathom shuttle]

I totally know what that is

[boreal musk]

they stop train at any speed

[fathom shuttle]

I hit them at 260kmh before so you’re fine to do it at any speed

[cerulean gorge]

what are some tips for getting into verticality and using splitters/mergers

[tranquil hemlock]

Experiment with the constraints of a blueprint. I like the medium blueprint - a 5x5 with 3 floors, each floor 12m high, though for larger projects I use the bigger one. But that's what helped me the most with learning verticality

[fathom shuttle]

I figured it out

I’ll just spaghetti it with the splitters

[leaden ether]

well since depots have two inputs each, put 4 belts into one input on 4 depots, then split the last two belts into two each and put those in the other input of each depot

[cerulean gorge]

blueprint?

[tranquil hemlock]

Using the blueprint designers. I can't remember what tier they start unlocking at - I use a mod to make them all available at tier 1 - but they're limited by size. Typically used to make copies of a specific factory

[fathom shuttle]

Spaghetti successful #screenshots message

[cerulean gorge]

i just started the game, i'm still using biomass to fuel up my factory and i just automated steel plates/rods

i also just unlocked part 1 of 3 in phase 1 of the hub iirc

[tranquil hemlock]

But even without the designers themselves, if you experiment with the size constraints - 4x4, 5x5, and 6x6 (All in foundation lengths, and I can't recall the height of each) - it's the best way to learn in my opinion

[cerulean gorge]

foundations?

i dont have those unlocked 🐟

[tranquil hemlock]

You won't be doing any vertical building without them XD

[cerulean gorge]

i unlocked splitters and mergers first 🐟

[tranquil hemlock]

That's fine, you'll need them as well

Honestly though, you're not yet at the point where you necessarily need to worry about verticality. I'd focus more on understanding basic processing rates of the early machines and learning how to automate several things at once before worrying about learning how to build vertical

If you don't mind spoilers and getting the answers given to you, I learned a lot of my early stuff from watching the starter stuff from a YouTuber named SpectrumDad. I can PM you a link, if you're interested

[peak wasp]

Can I ask opinions on recipes?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea sure

[peak wasp]

Coke Steel

I find it a pretty decent recipe

[fathom shuttle]

If you have extra coke laying around then sure

[cerulean gorge]

processing rates???

[peak wasp]

I mean coke is the main recipe but I plan to use the resin for stuff

[fathom shuttle]

I wouldn’t make coke for the steel

Oil is too expensive for that

[peak wasp]

I mean is it?

[fathom shuttle]

Do you have coal nearby?

[peak wasp]

yes but you know how much more coal is used

[frigid void]

There’s a few pure coal veins up in the northeast desert, but I usually use those for coal power

[tranquil hemlock]

How fast the machines turn iron into ingots, then how quick they turn those ingots into useful stuff. How many smelters you can run from a single iron node, for example, or how many constructors you can then run from the same smelter

[peak wasp]

lets put it this way I am a northern forest kinda guy

so yeah my nearest coal is in that valley with all the water

[cerulean gorge]

iirc the miner mk1 outputs much more raw material than a smelter can make ingots so that would be applicable for a splitter?

[frigid void]

I’m a northern forest guy too, but I usually build a railway around the world to all 4 starter areas

[fathom shuttle]

Then build nearby, it’s more practical than piping oil over and setting up a 2 step refinery step up

[peak wasp]

Maze Canyon

I mean if you want you can check out what I have setup

[tranquil hemlock]

Exactly. It also depends on the node. With a non-OCed Mk.I miner, a node will give 30, 60, or 120 ore per minute, depending on if it's impure, normal, or pure respectively

[cerulean gorge]

I got unlucky, impure on limestone and iron with a normal on copper lol (but there's 2 unpure irons sitting next to each other)

[tranquil hemlock]

So if you have multiple iron ore nodes, but they're all impure, you'd have to use mergers to get the same output to a single factory

[frigid void]

Satisfactory isn’t procedurally generated

The devs had a hand in just about everything placed throughout the world

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

check this base out

I apologize for this abomination

[frigid void]

My building style is pretty similar

So I understand

[cerulean gorge]

oh

i thought satisfactory was a 3d and more chill version of factorio
this is my first factory/automation game

[peak wasp]

like my base xD

[fathom shuttle]

Enjoy, it’s a lot of fun

[cerulean gorge]

a procedurally g enerated map for satisfactory sounds kinda fun

[peak wasp]

also imagine making so much steel you max out 3 mk5 belts

[cerulean gorge]

i have the power of the gods in my hand (mergers and splitters)

[peak wasp]

In my defense I am trying to make 30 heavy frames a second

[cerulean gorge]

i wonder how satisfactory runs on the steamed deck

[fathom shuttle]

Took 4 hours to set up the train stations for the aluminum, rubber and plastic

[peak wasp]

Not sure about steamed decks...I never steamed my deck... It works okay on steam deck though

[fathom shuttle]

Now I can begin work on electronics, fused modular frames and pressure conversion cubes

You guys thing I can get it down today?

[peak wasp]

HELP HELP I AM BEING ATTACKED

[fathom shuttle]

I can lol

[cerulean gorge]

what do you consider ok

[peak wasp]

30fps medium

[cerulean gorge]

that's pretty good

[tranquil hemlock]

Urgh. Never enough Mercer Spheres XD

[fathom shuttle]

44/min FMF, 20/min supercomputers, 29/min PCC. this shouldn’t take long, right?… right?

[quiet gust]

Are those for pasta nuclear or both

[tiny sigil]

@high linden motion blur? Turn down your post processing

[high linden]

Motion blur is off and I turned post processing to "low" but it still looks the same. Even with no AA it still looks the same. Doesn't bother me much, it's just weird and a tad hard on the eyes to look at

[foggy heart]

I'm fedding 300 oil pm to 10 refineries with mk 1 pipes, can I just have the input on one side and "manifold" it, or do I need to try balance?

[tiny sigil]

Interesting not too sure then

[boreal musk]

conveyor visual quality setting

[high linden]

it's on Ultra for conveyer quality

[tiny sigil]

Just plug it into all the refineries?

[high linden]

oh, it's global illumination. I just turned it off and blur went away

[foggy heart]

yeah thats what im asking. machines are in a line, oil input starts at machine 1 then 2 then 3 etc. So I wanna know if machine 10 will be struggling or not

[tiny sigil]

As long as there is enough oil to go around it will balance out if you give it a while

[foggy heart]

perfect thanks

[fathom shuttle]

15 FMF for space parts
29 for PCC
10 PCC for turbo motors
10 PCC for pasta
9 for plutonium fuel rods
Idk why I made 20 SC tho tbh

[cerulean gorge]

if i have to disassemble a conveyor belt and i have a lot of materials i need to put back on it, can i?

[willow glen]

sounds like it raised your FPS, I notice upscaling adds a lot of blur as it tries to save your fps. Try turning upscaling off

[tiny sigil]

Use container plus merger

[quiet gust]

I mean you need them for 2/3 phase 5 space elevator parts

[fathom shuttle]

Yea but not 20/min
im not gonna automate assembly director systems so that leaves neural quantum processors and ai expansion servers

[quiet gust]

Why not

[knotty eagle]

Man that big box early bird was a nice price. Wallet safe now lol

[fathom shuttle]

True lol I already brought everything over

Bringing the resources together always takes the longest for me

It’s just so tedious get like 7 different resources together

[quiet gust]

Wait I misread are you going to automate bio sculptures tho?

[fathom shuttle]

Like for this project I had to bring 1 Caterium train, 2 Caterium drones, 1 aluminum train, 1 plastic train, 1 rubber train, 1 crushed quartz drone and a silica drone

[viral tendon]

FIVE water extracvtors for fully overclocked nuclear power plant

Crazy

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll make a bunch to use up the automated wiring I built up

And store it for sinking later

[quiet gust]

I see

[tranquil hemlock]

The rarest and most precious resource in the game: Flat land

[quiet gust]

No space elevator factory

[viral tendon]

Can i set default coloring for things??

Or do i have to paint them evrytime manually

[quiet gust]

Yes

Right click on the swatch

[viral tendon]

How

[tranquil hemlock]

Change the default colour swatches

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll do one for the balisitc warp drives

[viral tendon]

What is swatch

[quiet gust]

Press x

[fathom shuttle]

Aiming for 15/min, slooped so it makes 30/min

[viral tendon]

Okay i pressed x what next

[quiet gust]

Are you wanting to have many colors or change your standard color?

[viral tendon]

Change my standarty color

[quiet gust]

Or temporarily change color

[tranquil hemlock]

Right click on one of the default swatches and colour it as desired

[quiet gust]

Go to standard swatch and mess around

And see what color u want

[viral tendon]

Can't i set finishes

Like caterium maybe

[quiet gust]

Yes

[fathom shuttle]

If I turn it all into bio chemical sculptures it would translate to 4.4b points

[quiet gust]

Right click on caterium

[viral tendon]

How\

[quiet gust]

Select standard

[fathom shuttle]

I won’t be turning everything into biochem sculptures I guess

[viral tendon]

Thank you

[quiet gust]

And pipes if you want it for there

[fathom shuttle]

That’s like 50 minutes worth of points once I have BWD automated

No thanks lol, too much time for me to waste

[quiet gust]

I automate 20 bwd, 30 ai servers and 60 bio's per minute

I made factories around the world throughout my playthrough to supply them

[fathom shuttle]

Bio and ai servers aren’t worth the effort from my POV, I’m mostly trying to farm points from space elevator parts so why not put all that time and effort into the best thing to sink in the game?

Plus I’ll need to make a separate line in the electronics factory for the super oscillators and adaptive control units

[bitter agate]

I still have no clue how I haven't went over my temp power setup with a power Augmenter and like 20 Biomass burners

[tranquil hemlock]

Did you remember to connect up all your biomass burners?

[bitter agate]

Yeah, they don't run unless the grid demands it

[tranquil hemlock]

XD just had to check. I've made that mistake more than a few times

[bitter agate]

Well back before they messed with Augmenter bonus power I could hook up a ton of biomass burners and get TONS of extra power for doing nothing but feeding idle batteries

[cerulean gorge]

how concerned about clipping issues should i be

[viral tendon]

Not much

[fathom shuttle]

If you’re ever going back to the area to expand or improve them you should be concerned

[tranquil hemlock]

Personal preference. I hate clipping myself, but I've had to swallow that for efficiency

[fathom shuttle]

Other than that clip away lol

I’ve only recently started avoiding clipping since my projects got bigger

[cerulean gorge]

i can show you how bad it is, just point me where to put it

[fathom shuttle]

But if it’s on small scale idc about how it looks tbh

[fathom shuttle]

#screenshots

[tranquil hemlock]

#screenshots message
Eh, you'll probably only have that setup temporarily anyway, because you'll want to upgrade and set up foundations and verticality later on, so I wouldn't worry about it

[fathom shuttle]

I didn’t build on foundations until tier 4 so you’re fine

[bitter agate]

They did mention previously (I mean a while back) that they weren't going to remove clipping from the game back when LetsGameItOut released a ton of videos and whatnot. Purely preference based and a warning box shows if it's mildly clipping, nice features they've added since the early releases

^Snutt posted a recent video covering all of the Satisfactory videos that creator made and how things were patched or worked on in the dev side

[tranquil hemlock]

To make a curved road/rail, and to merge it into existing structures, clipping is essential

[sterile blade]

If you clip you get demoted and a pay-cut by Ficsit

Consecutive pay-cuts can lead to negative pay...

[bitter agate]

Yeah, world grid my beloved

[bitter agate]

They just want the product on the space elevator, they don't care how it happens just so long as it gets there

[late void]

Depends how beautiful you want it and how hard you want to have to look for a certain thing should you need it

[granite lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rng_2wZWReA&t=969s Snutt's reaction to lets game it out is priceless xD

[wicked nacelle]

so can you soft lock the game such that you cannot beat it? Like basically could you make the game so it's impossible for you to ever generate any power? If you blow up all the trees and grass and get rid of all the collectibles at all the crash sites... can you ever get to coal power or geothermal?

or can you always get there with coupons, maybe?

[lavish burrow]

So, I think the short answer is "technically no".

And the longer answer is "practically, absolutely not"

[wicked nacelle]

so yeah, you can buy biofuel with coupons, so the question is do you need power to unlock / build awesome sink/shop

[lavish burrow]

The technically is that you can always hunt monsters for biomass and thus fuel, and thus reach coal power.

You can technically prevent them from respawning by building, but that's not permanent.

[wicked nacelle]

oh you can just turn animal parts into fuel.

[lavish burrow]

And you can reach the point where you unlock that without any power, I am 99% sure.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah soft lock means nothing the user can do to progress. so anything you can undo isn't a soft lock - like destroying buildings

[sterile blade]

One can turn aliens into biomass and aliens respawn, so unless they also cover the whole planet with powered machines and get rid of all remains collected in the process maybe...
But then again: would a grid without power be able to prevent the respawn of enemies (aka: walking biomass)?

[wicked nacelle]

coupons don't solve it because you could lock yourself out from getting there without elevator parts which require power. but you're right the animal parts are likely the fuel supply

[lavish burrow]

The closest thing you can do to actually cause a softlock is to create a situation where you die upon respawning instantly because of ambient radiation.

[sterile blade]

Oh, the canundrun: need power to eliminate fuel sources!

[lavish burrow]

And I don't know for sure if that even is still possible, there might be some mercy invincibility? Eh.

[sterile blade]

Nah, that should be doable ^^
No mercy

[south elm]

Do you guys know if the devs are planning to introduce any DLC's to satisfactory?
There are so many wonderful ideas they could add, like the sims amount of DLCs and i'd no shit buy hundrets of dolars worth of this game

[sterile blade]

I think they mentioned their plans about DLC in a recent video, but can't recall which...

[lavish burrow]

It's definitely something that you would have to be deliberately (josh) trying to (josh) do, not just (josh) something that will happen (josh) on it's own.

[sterile blade]

It might have "DLC?" in the thumbnail

[wicked nacelle]

short answer in that video was "we don't know yet"

[lavish burrow]

Last I heard, the current plans are just to keep doing updates similar to what 1.1 was. But that was a while ago, so I don't know if they said anything about that changing.

[south elm]

They need money tho don't they the game realesed a while ago, i mean idk i just speculate

[silk ocean]

Is there a way to list and locate machines where there are sloops installed in them?

[lavish burrow]

Not that I know of, but it may help to use dismantle and highlight buildings, since it will show you a sloop if there's any in them.

[silk ocean]

Thanks, ah yes that's something at least

I guess you can hear them too when relatively nearby

[viral tendon]

Well 12 nuclear power plants are done, time to get them going and then make plutnoium fuel rod production to make even more power

[silk rose]

should i switch dx12 to vulkan?

will i get more performance if i do

[silk ocean]

Bench/test it and find out? xD

[shy mulch]

My to-do list. Going to try and do 1 task per day. When all complete I will use the matrix to boost my power from 650,000 to 950,000

1. Pull the 1000 polymer resin from rocket fuel factory that is currently being sinked, combine it with water to make rubber
2. Find a neat way to bring that rubber and the quartz source I've set up both to the AI limiter factory, and turn that into 45 crystal oscillators
3. Combine the spare quartz with the coal from north desert to make dark matter crystals
4. Pull all the above together and make superposition oscillators
5. Somehow get 1800 SAM together in one place to make 75 fluctuators
6. Drone in the alclad sheets, combine with all of the above to make alien power matrix

[latent prawn]

that's a lot of APA fuel, lol

what's that 3 APA's worth?

[shy mulch]

yeah, not slooped, might sloop one of the quantum encoders and that'll give me enough for 4 APA

[ruby steppe]

darn signals... so i have path signals on each ENTRANCE of intersection and block signals on EXITS after those block signals straight and another block but my trains wait at path signals until another train hits the second block signal is that supposed to be? like to prevent trains from stopping at each one?

or like path signal itself do not allow movement if theres not a certain gap between trains when going in straight line?

[silk ocean]

Possibly - essentially two or more trains have to have non-intersecting paths through that intersection, but I don't specifically know if proximity is a factor or whether it's physical crossing paths

You have a block signal, then a path signal at every entrance to the intersection, then an exit block signal?

(i.e. no other signals within the path block)

[half scaffold]

I thought you could exceed the limits of the belt elevators if you placed the hole and then ran it up to it. Is that now how you do it?

[boreal musk]

its the opposite

[half scaffold]

I think there needs to be a #Train Help channel 😄

[boreal musk]

you do it from the lift and to the hole

and its still work as im still using it

[silk rose]

can i hire doggo to watch my power graph for any fluctuations?
getting tired of those like 5 min period 1 sec long spikes, they take too long to debug

[half scaffold]

I have a belt going to where the elevator goes up. I am trying to run it from there to the hole I placed in the correct location way up there and it's only going about half way 😦

[lavish burrow]

Are you trying to trap me there forever?

Helping people is a form of enlightened self interest. It allows me to correct people who are wrong on the internet, but in a way that makes them happy instead of wanting to stab me.

[boreal musk]

you need to reach the floor hole

you cant just aim to it

[lavish burrow]

I think you might be misunderstanding what they meant.

It doesn't mean you can have a single lift go longer than it's default by connecting it to a floor hole.

It means that you can use floor holes to continuously connect separate lifts to, to keep them all vertically aligned.

[half scaffold]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[lavish burrow]

The alternative, which we needed to do prior to those floor holes, was to place lifts off of other lifts, which as you might expect, caused them to shift by 4m horizontally because they connected to the other lift horizontally.

Essentially, think of those floor holes as being like conveyor supports over a long horizontal distance.

You still connect individual belt segments between those supports.

Just, in this case, it's vertical.

[lavish burrow]

You can, but don't expect much in the way of... uh, useful results.

Are they spikes in power consumption, or cases of power production going down?

Power consumption spikes are fairly normal, especially when you have high-consumption processes tied to your supply of building materials- you make a bunch of things, and if you don't have those factories set to sink excess and thus run constantly, they'll start up again and thus consume power. Power storages are the best way to mitigate this.

[bitter agate]

The devs have thought through this thoroughly, if you could softlock then people would have to reset entire saves that usually have hundreds of hours

[lavish burrow]

(Which is also at least in part why the one realistic way to create a softlock scenario is extremely easily fixable with a save editor.)

[bitter agate]

Only way to softlock really is by radiating the hub... don't do it

[lavish burrow]

Not gonna lie, there was a period of time when I used a save editor for the sole purpose of not having to walk back to my base.

Yeah, that was what I was referring to.

[bitter agate]

Usually you want the HUB and main nuclear site on two different locations for that reason

[lavish burrow]

Well, even an inefficiently designed nuclear setup doesn't have that much ambient radiation- you'd have to have the hub essentially right next to it. It's the waste storage that you need to be careful of.

[bitter agate]

Unless you're LetsGameItOut...

[lavish burrow]

Yes, but the only time Josh plays games in ways that are intended by the developers is when he plays Crusader Kings III and underestimates just how ridiculous the middle ages were.

[bitter agate]

Need like 5 seconds or so of immunity to damage when respawning if that could be a thing just because of Josh

[lavish burrow]

Well, my perspective is that the only starting area that's remotely close to nuclear stuff is the.. well, ok, swap that around- the only uranium close to a starting area is the one node literally at the tallest point on the map.

So you'd be making a pretty conscious decision to irradiate your respawn point.

[bitter agate]

Getting to the swamp is a pain to get to, closest spawn to it is the desert

[lavish burrow]

Swamp's not so bad, actually.

[bitter agate]

^Some people also don't play in passive mode so there's that

[lavish burrow]

Some people play in passive mode?

[bitter agate]

I do, saves the time when i'm not wrestling a spider 5 times my size

[fluid sapphire]

i play on "retaliate"

[lavish burrow]

Swamp is actually pretty close to the grass fields if you take the tunnel into consideration- I usually will set up my bauxite in the eastern dune forest that it connects to, and the swamp is just to the east of that.

To be clear, I was being facetious. I do play on standard aggression, but I get why others don't like it.

[fluid sapphire]

past a certain point the mobs are just an annoyance

[latent prawn]

it is probably the roughest place in the game if you aren't prepared for it

[lavish burrow]

I actually find the combat rather fun.

[bitter agate]

Oh that tunnel, it throws you out on the topside near the Red Forest region

[latent prawn]

that spot near the turbomotor hard drive is pretty challenging

[lavish burrow]

Mostly because of how good movement can feel if you know the tricks to it.

[bitter agate]

I can dodge and whatnot, rather not be doing that with spicy deposits nearby though

[lavish burrow]

Oh, sure. I don't usually tackle those til I have my hazmat suit.

[shy mulch]

Why not both

[bitter agate]

I do

[latent prawn]

once you get the hazmat suit, radiation isn't a concern

[lavish burrow]

It is when you have to conserve filters because you're too lazy to automate them!

[bitter agate]

I eat inhalers pre-hazmat suit and take the items near the radiation

[latent prawn]

well, can't fix indifference

[lavish burrow]

I sometimes will mine stray uranium deposits pre-hazmat with a lot of paleberries and stubborn determination.

[latent prawn]

yeah, if you have saved and reloaded after the radiation has been calculated for an area, that is untenable to do

[lavish burrow]

I have honestly never had issues with that.

[latent prawn]

there's a bit of a bug in that that is still present if i'm not mistaken

[lavish burrow]

At the very least, I have occasionally encountered lingering radiation from the area the node was in that goes away after I save and reload.

(And occasionally it's just a node that is inaccessible because it's in terrain)

[latent prawn]

yeah, opposite can also occur, but i may be recalling pre-1.0 versions of the game

[lavish burrow]

Not going to lie- you know that tunnel full of uranium on the north side of the swamp?

[latent prawn]

where the node is, yeah

[lavish burrow]

The one that has a pretty clear natural road through it but has... well, uranium.

No, when I say tunnel, I mean like....

It's more like an overhang.

It's not a cave.

It's in that area to the south of the dune desert with that water resource well and all the "roads"

[bitter agate]

oh that node

[latent prawn]

there's 3 caves there, i think, one leads through to the canyon, one is a confusing maze of deadends and the other is the one behind the waterfall with the uranium node

[bitter agate]

They split that node in the swamp to balance the nodes a bit

Pretty sure the spare was sent into the desert a little

[latent prawn]

the one that leads through isn't a very good road - a fair bit of climbing is needed

[lavish burrow]

I posted a screenshot of what I meant.

[bitter agate]

Yeah, the canyons aren't fun

[latent prawn]

ahh, i gotcha, that's more of a passthrough 🙂

[lavish burrow]

BASICALLY though: I found that some of the uranium deposits there were under the terrain.

[bitter agate]

RNG being buggy?

[latent prawn]

yeah, you have to play some tricks to get under the terrain to remove them all

[lavish burrow]

Nah, just... the way the map design had been done.

Yeah, I drove a train through the cliff to get them.

Shrug. If it works, it works.

[latent prawn]

i did so with a hypertube

[lavish burrow]

I find hypertubes to be a bit harder to get into place.

[latent prawn]

since you can place bp's through the terrain, it often is an easy way

[lavish burrow]

Actually, one thing I want to try...

I kinda want to make an artificial train tunnel.

Have a track go into a cliffside, with some blank matte billboards to serve as "tunnel entrances", then build under the map. But make it look like a tunnel.

[bitter agate]

Seen a few people use the underground sections and just network through that, rather just do what was intended though and go on the terrain

[lavish burrow]

The main issue is that I would need to be very precise with where I chose to do it, because I wouldn't want to clip into caves, and i'd want an entrance and exit that were vertically aligned.

But to be clear, I was thinking more in the sense of an actual stylistically "underground base".

Not so much to avoid needing to deal with the terrain but for the sake of itself.

[bitter agate]

Only caves I can think where you could do that is near grassfields or somewhere else

It would have to be a somewhat smaller base though

[lavish burrow]

I was thinking maybe a north/south tunnel that goes under the red biomes and crater lakes from the grass fieds, up to the northern forest.

[bitter agate]

Oh yeah that pure quartz cave right under the Red Forest

[lavish burrow]

No, no- I would... let me make an image to show what I mean

[marble matrix]

i keep hearing on videos that i can use arrow keys to move stuff

but i cant seem to do it xd

[bitter agate]

It's the nudge feature, should show up on your HUD

Gotta lock the hologram though

[marble matrix]

ohh i have to lock it

ty

oh i cant rotate it

[bitter agate]

Yeah you gotta have it at that rotation

Some mods have adjusters, most people stick to QOL mods

[fluid sapphire]

normal nudge is 1m, if you hold CTRL you can nudge by 0.5m

[lavish burrow]

Some of us stubbornly refuse to use mods despite loving modding everything else.

[fluid sapphire]

ehhehhh is me

[bitter agate]

I don't for the sole reason that base game has gotten better

[fluid sapphire]

we have infinite nudge now, and vertical nudge, and auto connect. game is literally 10x better

[lavish burrow]

Though, in my defense, the one time I tried to use a mod, it caused a crash upon doing something I considered to be a basic essential feature that would be used by people who'd use the kind of mod it was. So I figured maybe i'd wait for the full release and see how the modding scene ended up.

Hmm. Does autoconnect work with rails?

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[lavish burrow]

My previous rail blueprint method involved two blueprints, one of which had a rail, the other was identical but lacked it. I would then go and place the missing rails manually.

It... actually wasn't even that much extra work.

But the thing that was painful was the power lines, because they were very easy to miss places I forgot them.

[fluid sapphire]

i recently built an entire network perfectly on the world grid, consisting of 2 posts, one straight and one ramp

[bitter agate]

wait that's in patch notes somewhere?

[fluid sapphire]

1.1 patch notes, yes

[bitter agate]

I missed that then I guess, been playing other games as of lately

[fluid sapphire]

it was a month ago, very recent

[lavish burrow]

And before anyone asks, the reason for the power lines was partially to power the railway lights, and partially to zipline along.

[fluid sapphire]

i just plop down a train and turn on auto driving

[bitter agate]

There's some crazy people out there that somehow run on 10,000 MW on a playthrough

[lavish burrow]

Rails are sort of awkward for me because they are one of the few things that I would actually want to blueprint with consistency, but they tend to just require too much space for even the largest blueprint designer.

[fluid sapphire]

10,000 is chump change when you get to late game

[lavish burrow]

...ehehe. Yeah, that's me...

Moreso before the final phase was added, frankly.

[bitter agate]

I meant crazy as in they don't build too much power

[fluid sapphire]

oh, right, i cant read

well, i dont even have a poiwer plant myself

[lavish burrow]

I am always super power-efficient even when I don't have any reason to be

[fluid sapphire]

why make 12 machines when you can have 36 do the same work

[left mauve]

did they remove the infinitely long conveyor lift feature?

[lavish burrow]

And then when I attempt to use my excessive amounts of power and power shards, I somehow still end up consuming so little power?

[shy mulch]

That's such a low amount of power. Maybe enough for phase 3 at a push. Must be doing stuff very slowly or manually to finish phase 5 with only 10000

[fluid sapphire]

it still works last i tried it, you have to start from the bottom

[viral tendon]

Yo, finally got use for the blueprint u made, thanks for it again

[shy mulch]

Woop! Glad it's useful

[viral tendon]

I expanded my nuclear power so now i really need it

[lavish burrow]

It's less this and more just that whenever i'm rounding a number of machines to a multiple of 2 and 3, I usually will round up rather than down.

[bitter agate]

The new buildings on late game make power ratings go up the farther you are

[lavish burrow]

IE, I need 1333.333% clockspeed of machines or something, i'd rather go for 16 than 12.

[fluid sapphire]

so do i, i usually prefer underclocking to overclocking

[left mauve]

oh you have to go up a bit to get in range ofc, tyty

[arctic isle]

i have been trying to get diluted fuel for 3 days now i got 20 harddrives in the library and still dont have it is there like any requirments for it?

[shy mulch]

Not sure I understand this comment

[fluid sapphire]

yes, the select tool still works at only 100m 😉

[lavish burrow]

But it also depends on the space i'm working in, and sometimes I target specific numbers for aesthetic reasosn

[lavish burrow]

Do you have the blender?

[fluid sapphire]

thats what i meant by having 36 do the work of 12

[arctic isle]

yes

[viral tendon]

#screenshots message Peak

[fluid sapphire]

i did something like that to have 2 equal size sides make different products with the same amount of machines

[bitter agate]

Most of the end game buildings consume a ton of power, generally that means the power grid has to be at LEAST 200-300 thousand MW to even run a decent setup without tripping a fuse.

[silk ocean]

The Blender seems like the ultimate machine - it can mix fluids and also manufacture physical items

[left mauve]

this is why im building 1TW

[viral tendon]

75 000 MW

[lavish burrow]

I will admit i've done things like this in the past, making WAY more constructors than I needed, just because I wanted to make a bunch of constructors.

[left mauve]

to save on buildings 🤣

[viral tendon]

Probably used 2k while building all of that

[bitter agate]

Pain... I will forever cringe at that number

[lavish burrow]

It's easily my favorite building. But for a lot of reasons.

For starters, it lines up with stuff super well.

[fluid sapphire]

i actually like having tons of machines, actually having buildings be absolutely massive is a huge part of the appeal for the game for me

[shy mulch]

Yes I knew that, I think 200-300k is more than necessary. I completed phase 5 with about 60k power

[silk ocean]

Yea it's a good one

[shy mulch]

Just didn't get that meaning from your previous message

[lavish burrow]

I completed the game without building coal, fuel, or nuclear power...

[viral tendon]

I'm halfway completeing phase 5 and i have max cons 90k and produce 145k, i will produce more cuz i will turn nuclear waste into plutnoium

[bitter agate]

I ran nearly 200k but we were also overclocking literally everything and had to make more powershards

[shy mulch]

Rocket fuel is your friend

[viral tendon]

I am never in my life doing rocket fuel

[shy mulch]

Why

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, that's what I did after I completed the game and proved I could do it without the aformentioned power sources.

[viral tendon]

There's no more boring thing to do than rocket fuel

[lavish burrow]

Eh, really?

[viral tendon]

250 thousand fuel gens ✌️

[lavish burrow]

It's a pret- oh, THAT reason.

Okay, that's understandable.

[fluid sapphire]

whats 1000 gens for 300k megawatts, ehhh

[bitter agate]

This is why overclocking is a thing

[shy mulch]

Hah, yeah, see my screenshots I posted earlier today

[shy mulch]

Even with overclocking you still need loads

[viral tendon]

Okay 125k fuel gens

[lavish burrow]

But I find the actual rocket fuel production process to be one of the more interesting production lines, given the compacted coal byproduct.

[viral tendon]

Like i'm sorry but i'm not doing ts

[shy mulch]

Yeah I liked building that

[lavish burrow]

Excuse me? 125,000?

[bitter agate]

That's why people generally jump to Nuclear after a decent Fuel setup since the power goes up higher but it's at a high prep cost

[lavish burrow]

Or do you mean 125,000MW of them?

[shy mulch]

I think he's exaggerating a bit, but it's still loads

[viral tendon]

Well i said 250k fuel gens guy said overclocking so i said 125k

[lavish burrow]

Okay. But still hyperbole.

[viral tendon]

Yeah

[shy mulch]

I think I have approx 600 fuel gens running at 250%

[viral tendon]

I find just endless towers of fuel gens kinda boring

[left mauve]

lol what do you think a 1TW nuclear plant looks like?

[shy mulch]

Don't build endless rows of them then. Use the opportunity to make some interesting building designs

[viral tendon]

Like 1 million MW

[marble matrix]

is there a hotkey on switching conveyer belt level?

[fluid sapphire]

well, big, lots of machines, i imagine

[bitter agate]

It looks better, more processing steps but tons of generators either way

[viral tendon]

I love my nuclear power plants, they're not so complex and don't require brainfuck with liquid

[viral tendon]

Press e

[marble matrix]

ty

[lavish burrow]

I don't usually go for towers, but for horizontal arrays, but I like to detail my everything, and fuel generators are in that weird niche of being a bit too big to detail in a way that works well in a tileable fashion, but also not big enough to make "setpieces" like you can with nuclear plants.

[shy mulch]

There aren't many liquids involved in rocket fuel, it's not that complex, and no backfeeding byproducts

[viral tendon]

Well i enjoy nuclear power you enjoy ocket fuel

[viral tendon]

Isn't rocket fuel a liquid

[lavish burrow]

Actually, I enjoy both.

[marble matrix]

what is next after coal?

[shy mulch]

So it's a gas

[lavish burrow]

It's a gas.

[viral tendon]

That's just great

[viral tendon]

Fuel

[viral tendon]

Nice

[marble matrix]

do i have to collec trees again

[viral tendon]

Nuclear power can be real brainfuck if youy'r enot using alts on encased cells

[shy mulch]

Rocket Fuel and Ionized Fuel are gasses, so no headlift issues, no pumps etc

[lavish burrow]

My rocket fuel setup, I actually designed it with the intent of having it's compacted coal byproduct supply the production of ionized fuel for packaging.

[marble matrix]

they should add a robot that destroy trees

[shy mulch]

Like a roomba

[viral tendon]

Genuiney see no originality in 2 million fuel gens

[lavish burrow]

I had to do some maths to see exactly how to fine tune the ionized fuel's own byproduct (much easier now with priority mergers), and it actually worked like a charm.

Though I did have to make like five extra fuel generators to deal with a tiny bit of excess ionized fuel that I didn't have spare aluminum to package, hahah.

[viral tendon]

To make 75 GW you need 231 fully overclocked fuel gens

That's like a lot

[bitter agate]

Better than over 1k generators

[viral tendon]

What

[left mauve]

almost 2500 machines

[lavish burrow]

Wait. Aren't fuel generators 750MW?

[viral tendon]

625

[left mauve]

its actually just a measly 750GW

[lavish burrow]

Let me just look up the number. I'm forgetting something, but not sure what.

[viral tendon]

It's 625 trust me bro

basic one is 250 mw now multiply by 2.5

[lavish burrow]

Ah, no, it's 250MW.

[viral tendon]

I was talking bout fully overclocked

[lavish burrow]

I don't remember why I thought it was 750MW as it's base.

[viral tendon]

Lmao

[tranquil hemlock]

Just reached the point of doing Computers, and looking at what it's going to take, and it's just like "Y'know what, I think I'll take a small break tonight"

[lavish burrow]

Computers are not actually all that bad.

[viral tendon]

I trihnk my 75 GW nuclear power production isn't even using 231 machine

While rocket fuel just uses 231 gens

[lavish burrow]

...says the guy who never actually bothered to automate them at all in his 1.0 save.

[viral tendon]

Computers are pretty easy

[bitter agate]

I have a board of Uranium production, gotta find the screenshots though

[viral tendon]

Just wait until you get to turbo motors

[tranquil hemlock]

XD perhaps. Still further through this save than I've gotten before, and my brain is already a bit done in

[lavish burrow]

So I think the trick to fuel generators is not to fall into the trap of overproducing.

It's very very easy to turn a small amount of oil and stuff into a TON of power.

[viral tendon]

Well nuclear power plants don't even need that much uranium

You need very little amount of uranium

[lavish burrow]

Nope. But they have the same issue.

[viral tendon]

What

[lavish burrow]

Where you see just how much you can get from even a single uranium node, and since you have mk3 miners at that point, you are tempted to just... completely use it?

Full alternates, etc.

And that sort of spirals out of control if you let it.

[viral tendon]

One normal mk 3 uranium node can get you 75 gw of power

And that's not the maximum

[bitter agate]

618,750 MW purely just for giggles at that point from Uranium

[viral tendon]

If you do plutonium rods

Well you got yourself A LOT of power

For 1 normal node

[bitter agate]

Do not do plutonium unless you want to do the third processing cycle

[viral tendon]

Plutnoium doesn't even use a lot of storage

It barealy even makes any waste

[lavish burrow]

Eh? You want to at least sink the rods.

[viral tendon]

Place down like a thousand containers and you don't have to worry about ANY of the waste for like whole playthrought

[bitter agate]

Idc, storage isn't the issue. It's processing it back into a usable form that has to be burned to get rid of it. There's not enough SAM to process more than half the plutonium waste if you make everything from uranium into plutonium.

[lavish burrow]

I basically always sink my rods purely because the uranium-burning generators are so much more power than I possibly need.

[viral tendon]

You dno't even need sam

Bro just keep the plutonium wate

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, but that's my whole point- don't do this

You can calculate how much ficsonium you are OK with making, then burn a quantity of plutonium rods based on that.

[foggy heart]

is it worth it to automate smokeless powder?

[lavish burrow]

Yes.

Even if you aren't playing with hostile enemies, explosives are very useful for clearing land.

[foggy heart]

whats a good amount to have automated?

[bitter agate]

People beg to differ on the subject, irradiate a storage facility as you please. Radioactive power solutions usually should back scale the farther you are into the steps of recycling though

[lavish burrow]

You probably don't need much. I'd just find something that has a bit of excess heavy oil residue, and use that.

[viral tendon]

Not much, make sure you got atleast 20 cluster nobelisks/m

[lavish burrow]

Er.

While I am certainly a fan of cluster nobelisks, I do not think it's even possible to use them that quickly.

[foggy heart]

Okay how would i even use 20 per min

[viral tendon]

I don't really know if how much is 20/m really is

[foggy heart]

lol, like 5 per min maybe?

[viral tendon]

That will be enough

[lavish burrow]

It means you'd be gaining one every three seconds.

I.. think.

No, yes, my math checks out. I had mathdoubt.

[viral tendon]

That's a lot

[lavish burrow]

But realistically, you are going to produce a stockpile of them that you will then grab a bunch of periodically, and then it will resupply over time.

[viral tendon]

Or just dimensional depot them and pick up when needed

On everything i love if that motherfucker who thinks dd is soft creative mode spawns in i'm loosing it

[lavish burrow]

I don't like depoting ammo, cause it won't autosupply and I have to go pull it out manually.

...dd?

Oh, dimensional depot.

I'm still not entirely sure I understand what you meant, though.

[bitter agate]

Feels like creative mode sometimes, it isn't though and it reminds me that it can smite me

[viral tendon]

You got it

[viral tendon]

Not like you get infinite storage, you're not getting any of that for free tho

[lavish burrow]

I meant about.. creative mode? That sentence.

[viral tendon]

Theres a dude who thinks sloops and dd's are soft creative mode

[bitter agate]

Talking about the limitations it has, can't make massive battery blueprints unless you have the materials on hand and then from depot

[lavish burrow]

I can sort of understand the logic with the depot, but... sloops?

[viral tendon]

Yeah bro

[bitter agate]

YES, THROW THEM IN

[viral tendon]

End game they actually use more power

Shards are soft creative just use more machines bruh

[lavish burrow]

You've kind of lost me.

[viral tendon]

What

[lavish burrow]

My point is that sloops are a gameplay consideration that needs to be accounted for in the same way as overclocking

[shy mulch]

I'm checking under the sofa. Still can't find you

[lavish burrow]

So I can't possibly see how someone could equate that to any sort of creative mode.

[bitter agate]

Anyways, don't do full Crazy Uranium setup for 1TW or you will literally scream because of the nuclear waste buildup 😄

[viral tendon]

I agree that they're not even near creative

[lavish burrow]

Or, to put it another way, this person you mentioned sounds completely ridiculous.

[viral tendon]

Yes

[lavish burrow]

The only thing about the depot I don't like in that regard is that it kinda makes central malls redundant, which makes me a bit sad.

The other thing I don't like is that I inevitably collect more mercer spheres than I can actually make use of and that bothers me.

[ancient ferry]

Hi I'm considering buying this

[bitter agate]

They're still useful, just less of a hassle

[bitter agate]

Watch ImKibitz...

[lavish burrow]

Well, I suspect most people here are going to support that choice.

[lavish burrow]

Nooooo.

[bitter agate]

Bitz might be friendlier

[lavish burrow]

Nooooooooooo.

[bitter agate]

Sureeee? I was thrown in the deep end and figured it out

[ancient ferry]

True I just can't decide it's 27€ for a key that can't be refunded or 39€ for game that can be refunded

And both of those a lot

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, but that's... what I mean?

Figuring it out on your own is more fun. You find your own solutions.

[bitter agate]

Just watch gameplay before you do so, it's gotten better as time has progressed with QOL features

[lavish burrow]

Honestly... Maybe watch LetsGameItOut.

[bitter agate]

UH NO

[lavish burrow]

That will give you an idea of the general gist of the game while also NOT showing you any ways to actually play it that will help you.

[bitter agate]

He explains in potato how to make Uranium setups in a frame change

[ancient ferry]

Honestly that's the way I first heard of this game

[lavish burrow]

I am apparently in the minority in that I learned of LetsGameItOut through this game.

[bitter agate]

I only know of this game because of crazy building man known as ImKibitz

[lavish burrow]

But anyways. You're talking about money things, and that is honestly not my area of expertise, so I am going to avoid trying to guess at advice there.

But either way: there's no wrong way to play the game, except for whatever Josh is doing.

[ancient ferry]

I have the money it's not going anywhere else either

Just spending feels slightly wrong..

No matter what on

Clothes food games anything feels eh

[fluid sapphire]

i was hesitant to buy because of the price, but now i think its some of the best money i have spent

[lavish burrow]

My own perspective is that I am a grumpy old man who yells at clouds who wants people to try new methods of doing things and innovate instead of doing the same thing as everyone else, cause that's how I approach games, and it has led me to a wonderful existence of doing things weirdly and being confused at why other things are common practice.

[viral tendon]

Donate to clash royale

It will not feel eh

[lavish burrow]

Buy every official Touhou game on steam

...just because.

[silk ocean]

I'd say there is no right or wrong in a game like this - that's one of the great things. It's just about how you want to play it

[lavish burrow]

Yeah. The reason I encourage people to at least start trying to figure things out on their own, is because I feel like you only get that chance once.

You can always go look up a tutorial if you're really struggling.

[silk ocean]

True, that's definitely part of many games, the first experience can be the most exciting, and/or confusing sometimes 😉

[ancient ferry]

What is the gameplay even like

I haven't seen anyone play the game properly..

[lavish burrow]

I'm rather fond of Oxygen Not Included, and I take a certain amount of pride in that I somehow managed to get over the learning cliff on my own.

[silk ocean]

ONI is a steep learning curve yea xD

[fluid sapphire]

honestly, watch bits and pieces of someone's "lets play"

[lavish burrow]

It's a lot like playing with LEGO, in that a lot of the fun is about the sort of things you can create, but fundamentally, you are extracting resources from fixed and infinite deposits around a map, and using logistics and processing to transport them, turn them into more complex parts, and so forth.

[half scaffold]

Why the hell are my smart splitters not working 😦

[lavish burrow]

In what way are they not working?

[half scaffold]

The stuff is going through, they arent going out the outputs like they should

[lavish burrow]

To this day, I get salty when people refer to SPOMs because I have always set mine up with a connection to the main power grid so I can prioritize it and use the excess hydrogen to support the rest of the grid.

Can you be more specific? What are the settings on the ports, what's going in, etc?

[half scaffold]

I have black powder set for right output and middle output set to overflow. The next one had coal on the right and overflow in the middle, and both the coal and black powder just pass right through them

[ancient ferry]

The thing is if I buy a key I can't refund

[lavish burrow]

Okay, I see the issue.

This is essentially due to how overflow works.

[silk ocean]

Seems sensible way to go about it yea. I don't think I've ever set up a SPOM to be honest

Been a while since I played ONI but I did eventually get a stable self-sustaining colony

[lavish burrow]

Overflow will let things through when they are more than the internal buffer of the splitter.

But basically, what you want to do, is set your middle output to coal, and set the third output to overflow, then merge that belt with the second splitter's overflow.

[fluid sapphire]

make sure you are actually interested before buying then?

[ancient ferry]

How do I do that

[lavish burrow]

That way, you won't have the situation you currently have, which is that the splitter is permanently clogged due to the coal, so any black powder that enters is going through overflow.

Programmable splitters would also let you do what you want without the extra belt and merger, by setting the middle output to coal AND overflow.

[fluid sapphire]

watch someone play it and see if the moment-to-moment gameplay appeals to you, i suggest taking someone's "lets play" series, at different points in time, the game starts out kind of slow with some manual labor and picks up steam as you go, different times in the series will help give you an overview of the progress that happens - no need to watch tons, just enough to see moment-to-moment gameplay and some of the progress

[ancient ferry]

I don't want to watch a whole let's play tho

[half scaffold]

@lavish burrow Thanks!

[fluid sapphire]

bro i literally said just watch parts of it to get an idea

[lavish burrow]

Did it work?

[lavish burrow]

How much do you like math?

[half scaffold]

Yes

[lavish burrow]

Alright, good. I wasn't 100% sure if I was remembering correctly, so I wanted to make sure before I headed out to do something else.

[ancient ferry]

Not really

[fluid sapphire]

then i suggest you stay away, there is a fair bit of algebra involved

[lavish burrow]

..Hmm. Maybe this wasn't the best question to ask, given that I used to think I hated math until I played this game (as well as ONI)

[ancient ferry]

What is that

[lavish burrow]

Math with letters.

[fluid sapphire]

balancing equations

[ancient ferry]

Oh I hate that

[foggy heart]

#screenshots Any creative ideas on how to hide or decorate these stacks?

[lavish burrow]

What I said was an oversimplification. The form it would be done in game is cases where variables are already known, so you won't have them represented as (a,b,c), etc.

[lavish burrow]

Well, do you intend to use the floor they're clipping through?

[ancient ferry]

Hm so how does it actually work

[foggy heart]

Yeah I'd like to

[fluid sapphire]

there are tools to help you plan production lines and help with the math, but you still need to navigate the math

[lavish burrow]

I like to actually clip my refinery chimneys through roofs.

[foggy heart]

But if I manage to decorate them then ig I can do that too

[lavish burrow]

I might be able to find a screenshot of mine that gives an example of one way i've done this.

[foggy heart]

But was thinking of building a train station and some small factories on top

[foggy heart]

ty

[ancient ferry]

Ah like making production lines that's not bad

Is there a uhh what was it called on this game

No proper before you buy

[fluid sapphire]

demo? there isnt

[ancient ferry]

No demo and no proper before you buy video

[fluid sapphire]

there are many "before you buy" videos

[ancient ferry]

Oh are any of them good tho

[fluid sapphire]

i would syggest Nyxson's video on youtube´, for example

watch them and make up your own mind

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message

so this is an example of a simple production line, as the game goes on it gets more involved. you get more complicated diagrams and you manage infrastructure to connect your different production lines

and right below that, a more crazy diagram, thank you

[ancient ferry]

The one below it looks UHHH

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, if you aren't sure if you will actually like the game, what I said earlier about trying it for yourself before looking at videos- you should know how the gameplay generally goes, so i'd recommend looking at what others recommend.

[fluid sapphire]

what i do is i split them up into sub-lines

each smaller piece is much more manageable

in the end i connect them

[lavish burrow]

It's an example I had open that I was using as an example of what not to do, for the record. Just unrelated to this topic.

[ancient ferry]

Ah

[lavish burrow]

A lot of the biggest production lines also are being done by people like me who are silly and make unnecessarily huge factories because we enjoy it. So they're overwhelming because we're weird and make overwhelming things, but they don't reflect standard gameplay.

[fluid sapphire]

yeah, if you want to keep it manageable, try to make more than you need, but not by a factor of 10 xD

i say that and make 18 HMF/min

but that is baby numbers for some people here, i know

[lavish burrow]

only 18/m- oh you beat me to it

[fluid sapphire]

it took me 3 full days to set that up uhhhhhh

[lavish burrow]

I put in a screenshot of an example of a subsection of a factory that I used myself in one of my builds.

Yeaaaah, mine usually are closer to a week, lol.

[ancient ferry]

It has multiplayer???

[lavish burrow]

Yes, though i've barely done multiplayer because I am obsessive compulsive and don't play well with others.

[ancient ferry]

Multiplayer sounds interesting I want to try that if I get this

[fluid sapphire]

it looks similar to my high speed connector factory that is going to make 120/min

[fluid sapphire]

right?? things need to be built MY WAY

[ancient ferry]

That's a very interesting view

[lavish burrow]

It can sometimes work when everyone's cool with me handling all the aesthetic things

[shy mulch]

Oh there's no way I could play multiplayer at a game like this, I'd just turn into a project micromanager and make everyone do everything exactly how I want it until they quit

[hard ivy]

just build separate projects

[lavish burrow]

except then I log in and there's just. machines on the ground. belts clipping through everything. things painted bright red that aren't even making anything red

[fluid sapphire]

ya there are ways to tackle my problem 😄

[lavish burrow]

Yep. And thus we choose isolation. For the sake of everyone else.

[hard ivy]

and never look at what the other person built

[ancient ferry]

If I played multiplayer I would probably just end up making them do everything

[ancient ferry]

Always happens when I play multiplayer

[fluid sapphire]

everything must be perfectly organized
#screenshots message

[timid rune]

Time to appaerciate how power hungry copper production is 😄

[shy mulch]

perfect

[lavish burrow]

Depends on how you approach it!

[left mauve]

🍝

[timid rune]

Pure and Pure copper!

[fluid sapphire]

thats nightmare fuel for me, good job

[marble matrix]

do i need blueprint mk2 so i can download it from browser?

[left mauve]

its just the start hehe

[lavish burrow]

Yep, those are good for getting a lot out of your ore without much extra resource cost, but they take up a lot of space and power!

[fluid sapphire]

@lavish burrow its very nice, much more lively than anything i have built

[fluid sapphire]

i like belts as much as the next guy, but they have to be straight
#screenshots message

[left mauve]

i love the new curved belts actually

will probably use them outside

[fluid sapphire]

ah, yes, that is also valid

[lavish burrow]

Other options are copper alloy, which is great in terms of building footprint size, and uses only some iron, and a few others that I also find to have some interesting niches.

[left mauve]

nice wave lines through nature

into the grid of the factory

[ancient ferry]

I bought it I can always refund under 2h

[lavish burrow]

You should be able to get a feel for how it plays during the ingame tutorial. Make sure you don't skip onboarding.

[fluid sapphire]

personally i dont think much happens in the first couple of hours, the game really picks up once you unlock automated power

[left mauve]

lol good luck building 2 miners and 2 constructors and realizing its been 3h

[lavish burrow]

Honestly, with copper and iron, even the default smelter recipes are worth using sometimes.

[lavish burrow]

Usually by that point you know you're hooked or not.

[left mauve]

default iron all the way

[fluid sapphire]

you cant play this game for 2 hours, thats not how time works when you start this game. you immediately quantum tunnel to 10 hours later

[ancient ferry]

I see

[left mauve]

i dont think ive ever used any iron alt recipe

[lavish burrow]

I'm actually a fan of leached iron, myself.

[solemn crystal]

You guys use alt recipes?

[fluid sapphire]

ingots? pure is a classic, i also like alloy

[fluid sapphire]

alt recipes are absolute fire

[left mauve]

oh that does sound kinda nice

[lavish burrow]

When I spend as much time as I do marauding around the countryside harassing the local wildlife, harddrives are a plentiful resource to use as I see fit.

[pastel carbon]

They're only a big part of satisfactory, after all

[silk ocean]

Does anyone know why holding CTRL, sometimes the splitter/merger will snap inline with the input/output and sometimes it won't? (doesn't seem related to where the joins are in the belts)

[solemn crystal]

bro

[lavish burrow]

I think it has to do with the distance from what it snaps to?

[left mauve]

pure is a hassle with water, and i need copper for copper powder

[timid rune]

Thank god I have >500GW of power to play with lol

[silk ocean]

They are all in a perfect line, 4 assemblers, 2 snapped, 2 wouldn't

[pastel carbon]

I'm a big fan of iron alloy

[lavish burrow]

Or sometimes, it's because multiple things are valid snap points along different axises?

[fluid sapphire]

whats the hassle, there is no hassle as long you keep your pipelines simple

[pastel carbon]

Just a bit of copper and you get a lot of extra iron

[timid rune]

yeah pure copper is fine

[lavish burrow]

Iron alloy's much better since 1.0

[solemn crystal]

Snap building has a different grid than foundations

[pastel carbon]

Not a fan of refineries, so I don't like pure ingot recipes

[timid rune]

and water management isn't as painful as it is

[left mauve]

yeah but regular iron you just plop down a couple blueprints and some belts

no pipes at all

[silk ocean]

Ah okay, that might explain it

[lavish burrow]

But honestly, all those alternates? The golden rule is always "use what you have"

[solemn crystal]

Snap one building you snap all buildings

[left mauve]

also no extractors which is the much more annoying part of water

[lavish burrow]

There are some areas that just plain don't have water.

[solemn crystal]

Unfortunately

[fluid sapphire]

i find pipe auto connect to be a bit finicky with refineries but its very quick to run over and connect manually, aside from that, i dont see how there is any difference in terms of building the systems?

[silk ocean]

I snap the buildings together on foundations yea

[mortal ginkgo]

This is all about "do you want to do pipework with more iron income" or "do you want less iron income with no pipework" kinda deal.

If one wants to maximize, pure iron is the choice. OTher than that, yolo

[lavish burrow]

okay but

[left mauve]

why maximize iron tho?

just get more iron

[timid rune]

basic iron is pretty decent

[lavish burrow]

water to pure ingot refineries is like. one of the few cases where pipes aren't a pain in the ass

[mortal ginkgo]

playstyle differences, some people want to use all uranium despite not needing at all etc.

[left mauve]

i use pure copper and cat

[lavish burrow]

It's decent early on but limestone can be surprisingly important for certain later alts, especially ones for steel parts

[mortal ginkgo]

I still think "pure ingot" refineries are the easiest, just don't use mk2 pipes to full potential (skip one refinery) and yo uare golden

[left mauve]

me lol

[solemn crystal]

The whole point of the game is to explore and exploit

[fluid sapphire]

well, for me i wanted to make 18 HMF at dangle spires, the only way i could make my iron budget work was to use pure ingot recipe, there are 3 pure nodes nearby

[mortal ginkgo]

then the question you asked is silly and deserves a bonk

[timid rune]

pure iron is handy when you are working with geographical constraints

[left mauve]

theres just infinite iron on the map

[lavish burrow]

okay but there isn't

i'm just stating that, it is factually inaccurate to say that it is infinite

[fluid sapphire]

idk i find it easier to plop down refineries instead of building infra to transport iron across the map?

[lavish burrow]

there is a maximum of 92100 iron ore/m, not including conversion. but not infinite.

[left mauve]

yes obviously

[lavish burrow]

no not obviously. i will assume that you are being serious and do not understand basic concepts until proven otheriwse

people have given me very little confidence in people.

sorry that was ruder than I intended it to be

[mortal ginkgo]

yes but actually no, due to miner speed, it is technically not infinite performance, just infinite amount.

what you could say is "there is so much iron that you dont need pure iron"

[modern heath]

how much fuel does the Fuel power generator use?

[fluid sapphire]

water is free, and its local, why wouldnt i dilute my iron

[lavish burrow]

The actual question is really just "which is more effort, using any given recipe to refine iron you have onsite, or building the infrastructure to bring it in from elsewhere?"

[left mauve]

yes that is what i figuratively said

[fluid sapphire]

hey, thats what i said

[mortal ginkgo]

• some people dont like pipe stuff
• there is too much iron already
• it do be like that sometimes
• hi, how are you
• etc etc

I also dont like how CHUNGUS refineries are. Maybe its a phobia I got from coal generators kek

[fluid sapphire]

pipes are only complicated if you make them complicated

[left mauve]

i like trains

choo choo

[lavish burrow]

iron is also sort of notable for being a resource that, while present just about everywhere, is also consumed in very large quantities for many production lines

[left mauve]

i just really dislike fitting water extractors

[fluid sapphire]

the only way i would have been able to justify using trains to bring in iron was if i was making double the HMF i am making

[mortal ginkgo]

here is a funny hot take pipe stuff: I used valves and buffer storages together and I got literally zero sloshing in dangerous zones.

I dont know why people are so afraid of valves.

[lavish burrow]

how many of my tips would you like for water extractors

[left mauve]

all

please

[fluid sapphire]

plop down a junction, align extractor to junction. step 2, align all new extractors to first one

[lavish burrow]

they're not as directly harmful as people seem to think they are. but they also don't actually solve the problems that people would expect them to.

[fluid sapphire]

problem solved

[lavish burrow]

first one: what insane just said.

but keep in mind that water extractors have a collision box of uhh

[left mauve]

also i havent played since early access what is this auto connect you were talking about?

[lavish burrow]

approximately 20mx20m

[left mauve]

exactly, very annoying

[lavish burrow]

so two water extractors side by side are the length of 5 foundations

[left mauve]

im aware you can put foundations below the surface and line them up like that

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree. However I used them where I needed them:

Here is an example, I used valves to direct 20/m stuff to somewhere and send 180/m somewhere else. I used two valves and it worked flawlessly.

I also used valves in and out of fluid storages which prevented sloshing.

Could I do a better setup to stop using valves and storages? Definitely. But I surely did not get harmed for using them.

[lavish burrow]

ergo, you can plan out the space they'll take up ahead of time.

[left mauve]

which i find easier

[boreal musk]

i like refinery, my and my funny 400 refineries of pure copper for 12.5/min pasta

[mortal ginkgo]

Mods. This is the madman. Yes. Here.

❤️

[boreal musk]

not as chungus as particle accelerator

[lavish burrow]

it's really a case by case basis. i've had a lot of similar cases where valves just... sort of didn't solve anything. i've found that valves with limits set tend to have issues when I try to ensure that my production lines are always flowing

since there are cases when gameplay lag or other factors can cause the flow rate to drop, but it then can't compensate for that drop because of the limit, if that makes sense

but what I mean is that some people say "never ever use valves" and I find they work perfectly well simply for directionality. or.

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I think the Valves are not solving the issue literally, like when I wanted to send 20/m fuel somewhere else, it showed 20.3/min, which is meh.

So I truly dont think valves are worth the hassle but for preventing sloshing, they are amazing imho

[lavish burrow]

honestly I also just use them because they look neat.

[fluid sapphire]

if you have a blueprint, and it has belt stubs sticking out, those belt stubs will auto-connect to ports that line up, using auto-connect build modes

[boreal musk]

i never use valves, nor buffer for my fluid system, dont think i ever need them in any scenario aside from liquid buffer for trains

[lavish burrow]

that 20.3/m thing is actually just a display bug.

[mortal ginkgo]

oh is it? Thank you for lettimg me know, I actually want to give it a try now

[lavish burrow]

though it usually shows a value under the limit I set

[left mauve]

ah thats pretty cool, does it make it into a single belt?

[mortal ginkgo]

definitely not for me, I was afraid that I had to set it to 19.0m because I am sure it showed 20.3

[ancient ferry]

I might refund this tbh..

[lavish burrow]

basically, after many years of attempting to get pipes to work the way I want them to

[ancient ferry]

It's a bit overwhelming

[mortal ginkgo]

its ok, refund it and come back when you feel like more prepared. Not all factory games are for everyone and its ok.

[lavish burrow]

what I learned was to just stop trying to fully overclock pure oil nodes

[fluid sapphire]

the new belt you connect gets extended a bit, if needed, and connects to the port at the other end, they dont get combined into a single belt. it works the way connecting 2 belts normally would

[left mauve]

oh i see

[lavish burrow]

I figured out that oil refining works great with a lot of round numbers if you use 270/m as a baseline instead

[ancient ferry]

There's so much stuff like huh

[fluid sapphire]

wym

[ancient ferry]

Just in the start

There is so much to do

[fluid sapphire]

the world is your oyster

[lavish burrow]

and i've tried maaaany different things over time. and then usually when I run into problems I mention them and people accuse me of lying about them because they can do what i'm trying to do with no issues

i strongly suspect that some of it has to do with complex saves introducing a bit of lag to gameplay calculations

[arctic isle]

is Nitro Rocket Fuel good for alternative

[lavish burrow]

let me look that one up

[ancient ferry]

I don't rly like that tbh I'm not that creative

[fluid sapphire]

its very good, very simple to set up

[lavish burrow]

oh, yes- that one is excellent.

[fluid sapphire]

well, dont worry about it, you can be as creative as you want, or not creative if you dont want, what i mean is, tasks have no time pressure, you can do what you want in the order you want

[lavish burrow]

The only downside is that it doesn't let you make acid

But the biggest advantage it has is that it perfectly matches the fuel output of diluted fuel, with the other inputs being raw resources

The one main downside is that it can't use it's byproduct compacted coal as an ingredient for itself, but there's many creative ways to handle that stuff past just sinking or burning it.

[ancient ferry]

I expected to enjoy this from the start

[left mauve]

the start is kinda different

[lavish burrow]

it's not really an instant gratification kind of game. it's more about the feeling of a job well done once you accomplish something.

[ancient ferry]

Yeh idk tbh..

I might just refund it's the safest option

[lavish burrow]

don't feel bad about it. it's perfectly normal to not have it be your cup of tea

[left mauve]

the game is extremely slow, it starts to hit when you get coal but thats like at least 5 hours in if youre new, just wait till its on sale if youre not sure

[lavish burrow]

man I still do not understand why they nerfed compacted steel ingot to such a ridiculous degree

[left mauve]

sprout you got any more water extractor tips?

[lavish burrow]

this is more aesthetic, but I like putting concrete foundation half pipes in the water to surround them

[left mauve]

i got 1k hours in early access before i ran out of ram btw, just to give you an idea of my experience

[lavish burrow]

wait I think I even have a screenshot of this

[silk ocean]

Just crafted 250 portable miners for no real reason other than to ensure all of the purple bars in the dimensional depot are in line with eachother #ocd xD

[ancient ferry]

Well bye

[left mauve]

oh that is nice

[fluid sapphire]

i thought it was buffed?

CC cost reduced

[lavish burrow]

it produces 10 ingots per minute now

[burnt ferry]

@undone kestrel bruh! my trains running....after i flipped the station i had an unnoticed error from the very beginning of constructing that junction.. which is that i put a signal in front of my unlooped push pull station... making it impossible either to enter or to exit it (as per signals).. i think it is the root error that made me rebuild the thing introducing more errors and confusion 😂 ... i think in the games i played so far signals only define a direction in combination with other signals, hence putting one signal on a one way back and forth track never hurts there (if you dont wrongly put the counter signal for the direction)

[lavish burrow]

it was VERY SLIGHTLY buffed in terms of resource consumption

but as in,
iron ore: 6 -> 2
compacted coal: 3 -> 1
steel ingot: 10 -> 4

[burnt ferry]

is compacted coal worth it generally?

like as fuel not necessarily as crafting material

[lavish burrow]

that's hard to say, because it's sort of used in so many different ways

[burnt ferry]

ye, limiting to fuel

[lavish burrow]

Hmm. I would say it's usually not worth it, if only because coal and sulfur in proximity is not that common.

[burnt ferry]

it was jsut water, seems pretty easy and if its buffing power generation

ah sulfur

[lavish burrow]

Strictly speaking, sulfur is a limiting factor for almost all types of power generation.

[fluid sapphire]

i plan to use my leftover compacted coal at my crater power plant to make steel

[lavish burrow]

As well as now being very useful in a number of refining processes.

[burnt ferry]

theres a canyon with a pure coal node at the end .. i think it has a sulfur node relatively close by

its like close to n00b starter point

[lavish burrow]

Does it have water nearby, though?

[burnt ferry]

ye.. plenty

[fluid sapphire]

blue crater?

[burnt ferry]

a pure extraction node like 2300 m3 and right next to that is a cave lake

ah wait... you have seen that canyon in videos.. but at the other ened

[lavish burrow]

Blue crater is a good example of where it just so happens to have all of the right materials to make other things that using it for compacted coal power is sort of wasted potential

[burnt ferry]

where theres a huge lake (not a cave lake though thats a different one)

[lavish burrow]

like, blue crater is essentially perfect for ionized fuel

[burnt ferry]

many youatuber suggest to build the first coal generators there

i build directly at the coal node. the pure one

[solemn crystal]

you mean the one on top of that mountain?

[lavish burrow]

The western dune forest lake, I assume.

[burnt ferry]

blue crater == that canyon?

nah its not at the dunes

[lavish burrow]

No. The blue crater is in the southeast of the map. And is blue.

[burnt ferry]

wait.. lemme pull the map

[lavish burrow]

Not the dune desert. Dune forest.

It's pretty much the iconic coal power spot.

And I think I know exactly what sulfur node you're referring to, since it was moved there from a nearby spot.

[burnt ferry]

check #screenshots @lavish burrow im at the coal node where the tooltips at.. the lake is south east of it

[lavish burrow]

Yep. That's what I was thinking of.

[burnt ferry]

and my water resource is in the middle

theres a cave lake with plenty of space for water extractors

[lavish burrow]

You probably don't even need the cave lake.

[burnt ferry]

i rather build the genreators there if it must be directly at the lake

i mean it makes sense for sure. .i have to pump my water

planned on moving it.. but have other things to do.. 😂

[lavish burrow]

The main thing to take into consideration is that compacted coal does use a lot of assemblers.

It's something like two assemblers per seven coal generators, I think?

[burnt ferry]

i have no clue i so far figured it makes sense to invest time into oil based fuel

[frail sleet]

That's not a lot 😄

[lavish burrow]

But anyways, I was actually going to suggest something else.

Compacted coal is worth considering as an early vehicle fuel.

[burnt ferry]

yea 😂 im currently using the pressure extractort node because i didnt even saw the cave lake at first 😂 and that takes a lot more space 😂

[lavish burrow]

Wait, you have resource wells?

[burnt ferry]

yea its right at the lake. i didnt saw that lake 😂

[lavish burrow]

Aren't you long past coal power, then?

I mean, if you WANT to build it, more power to you.

[burnt ferry]

of course but my 16 coal generators are still running

[lavish burrow]

Literally.

Ah. You're thinking of retrofitting them.

[burnt ferry]

like i said.. i planned on moving

[lavish burrow]

In that case, I would... recommend against it, but for different reasons.

[burnt ferry]

but i dont care.. theyre net positive, so they dont bother

[digital holly]

Where is that node on the map ?

[lavish burrow]

Which is simply that compacted coal uses completely different ratios. It's awkward to retrofit regular coal generators to compacted coal.

[burnt ferry]

iwas literally asking for the coal thing to find a reason to care about that generator again.. but if compacted coal isnt the shit either, im focussing on my oil plant (or nukular in the future)

[lavish burrow]

Unless you happen to be running 42 generators.

[burnt ferry]

in the hscreenshot? check the toolltip. the node is directly left center of it

[willow dawn]

Is there a way to have a lift with two stops? like right above eachother?

[lavish burrow]

IMO, i'd just leave it.

[sterile blade]

Nukular can be a very fun production chain

[lavish burrow]

You can place stops on a personelevator, yeah.

[willow dawn]

No a item lift

[lavish burrow]

Like... with a split?

[willow dawn]

Convereyr lift

[frail sleet]

Since the water needs are the same, you can manifold the coal or compacted coal input and it will fuel as many gens as it can. To avoid stuttering entirely, you can cut off the coal belt after X number of generators.

[burnt ferry]

ye... and as far as youtube tell syou get like 100k mW from one oil node?

[willow dawn]

Yes 🙂

[burnt ferry]

i think i added 10k from one pure node.. regular fuel though

[sterile blade]

You can even mix the Compacted Coal with any leftover Coal (or the other way around) since the Generators eat it all the same

[lavish burrow]

I honestly don't know. I haven't really done much with lift-attached splitters.

[green fiber]

100k Milliwatts will come up to be around.... 100 Watts

[burnt ferry]

thats gramm bro

[green fiber]

im jokin

[burnt ferry]

im not

[willow dawn]

I want to send things with a smart splitter to a sink and a depot from a undistial storage

[burnt ferry]

👹

[willow dawn]

A bunch of them

[lavish burrow]

Mmm, i'll chalk it up to a difference in playstyle, then. But I see it as a lot of extra math to essentially... use less coal, I guess?

[sterile blade]

You can attach splitters to existing lifts, if that's what you're asking for

[willow dawn]

But having issues getting it all need

[frail sleet]

basically convert 1 sulfur into 1.1 coal, yeah

[willow dawn]

No, its the high difference I am struggeling with

[lavish burrow]

So really, the question is, do you actually have something to use the coal you save on?

[willow dawn]

Perhaps I should just approach this from a different side...