satisfactory

[undone kestrel]

Which implies direction of travel but sure

You’re welcome

[burnt ferry]

you was just missing to specify if by travel you mean towards the station or away from it 😂

[undone kestrel]

Remember to loop your track though or it still won’t work

[burnt ferry]

i noticed it.. i wanted to tell you but then you dereailed even more and got backed up by other people

[barren eagle]

when do I rather use mk1 or mk2 belts??

[burnt ferry]

whatever you can effort and is necessary

YES!!!!

it was only the station facing the wrong direction.. now the train finally moves

wait.. into the wrong direction though

[undone kestrel]

Yeah because you haven’t looped your track around

[burnt ferry]

it needed to go left on the junction.. it went right..

i wonder if it now will go all the way to that station and then return like the other train

[undone kestrel]

Oh well that’s an entirely seperate issue actually 😂😂

[burnt ferry]

i know tbh

that loop thing is irrelevent, hence i indeed went snarky

[undone kestrel]

If it’s on a timetable it will (eventually) make it to where it has to go

[burnt ferry]

but its interesting nevertheless..

the station the train is now at was never on its schedule..

it happened after i rebuild (and therefore deleted) the station it came from

[undone kestrel]

That’s probably messed up the timetable

[burnt ferry]

nah thats the thing 😂

the timetable only contains one station now.. and thats the one station it shouldnt be going to and which wasnt on its schedule before

[warm phoenix]

My base is so messy i want to redo from scratch
But idk what goes to where atp idk how to fix the noodles

[undone kestrel]

Just move to a new area and start fresh

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t delete a factory just make your next one nicer from what you learned. You won’t be happy with your next one either and that ok

[burnt ferry]

yea... use the old station as kind of a drop pod...

where you can find some material if needed

[wicked nacelle]

The stuff your “ugly” factory is making is good for building your next one

[undone kestrel]

Anyway I’m going to sleep. Hopefully your train issues get sorted @burnt ferry

[burnt ferry]

im saying station lul.. im all immersed into trains

[burnt ferry]

ye thanks bro

[undone kestrel]

Worst case scenario you just rebuild the entire thing lol

[burnt ferry]

thats not worse case.. it really is only the new segment that doesnt work.. the fact that the train just moved even showed that the issue is only into one direction from the new segment

[warm phoenix]

I suck at planning ahead and i put everything on my base
namely iron limestone copper biofuel steel vehicle hub and space elevator

[burnt ferry]

start by making a tiny factory for one thing only (involving 1-3 production steps)

then - if you want to keep the central base design - make that material to be moved to your central base and remove production in your base for that

[warm phoenix]

I didn't even put foundation and its too big to do it

[burnt ferry]

nah bro. we talking about an entirely new place to start from scratch

just decide on a thing to build (maybe milestone/phase stuff), find a pure node for the base material you need and maybe some other nodes around that on the map and then start there from scratch.. ignoring the old thing for a moment

if youre not happy with the new place, scratch that and go back to the old place, or continue like that and make more specialized factories across the map

[warm phoenix]

I did made small satellite base for coal+water and oil tho

[burnt ferry]

yea energy production is always a good project... fairly complex but still rather simple

theres a video from totalxclpisjearps;f who build an offshore oilrig.. thats kinda inspiring.. certainly not the only one though

[warm phoenix]

I'll probably expand once i unlock zipline

[burnt ferry]

ah... i can tell you i messrushed my milestones until phase 4 with all milestones unlocked my current playthrough... my first big facility i built after two power plants was aluminium and then batteries

im now doing a rather big complex to make turbo motors, supercomputers and fused frames, to have them as build materials... i will then make an even bigger complex producing all the phase 4 materials at once 😂

[warm phoenix]

Yeah i just unlocked 4 component things and so far idk what to do lol

[wicked nacelle]

just look at your next unlock/elevator -- it will need pieces from those machines

[burnt ferry]

finish them milestones.. they have great qol unlocks

not only the zipline

[warm phoenix]

I did unlock train and moved coal transport from truck to that

[wicked nacelle]

that's a good use of trains if you're going to move it, but think about just using coal where it is and moving the ouput or connecting power where it is.

[warm phoenix]

Pipes are one hell of a learning curve

[wicked nacelle]

unless you're trying to get max flow, they're not hard. You just connect everything and then add pumps if you need them

they really are that simple if you're not worried about why one machine is flickering when the math says it shouldn't be

basically never use valves and almost never use fluid buffers. They cause problems, they don't solve problems. There are only 3 parts you need. Pipes, junctions, and pumps.

[dense violet]

it's really just a few simple rules to follow if you just want basic piping 🙂
what are you trying to make?

[wise junco]

waves at Cobalt

[warm phoenix]

When i first unlocked oil I foolishly made oil base above the oil node and had to fight gravity to carry it upward

[dense violet]

that's not hte end of the world. although sky bases can be generally annoying

[fathom shuttle]

How much aluminum/min can a train station handle if I run 2 trains?

I’m gonna do 4800/min through one station

[dense violet]

as much as you like

just have enoug hplatforms

[warm phoenix]

Tbh its not really a skybase
The base was just up the hill but man it felt agonizingly slow while learning at the same time

[dense violet]

ah well generally if you're facing some instability after a rise, have a short horizontal bit of pipe after bringing it upwards and put a powered pump before the manifold. Can help flow a bit

[lusty oyster]

Kinda forgot that this game exists ngl 💔

Accepted that it will never come out to ps4 i did

[fathom shuttle]

Why would anyone modern game come to ps4

@dense violet this should be ok right? #screenshots

I’ll do the signals later

[south sinew]

because it still has an enormous active user base

[grizzled lotus]

I'm setting up my first refinery/oil thingy. is petroleum cake good for anything?

[south sinew]

the next Call of Duty game will still target the PS4

[fathom shuttle]

You’ll need it later, but nothing for now

[dense violet]

2 stations , 4 platforms each with mk5s for 4800? probably ok depending on time taken

[fathom shuttle]

You won’t need it but it has some use cases

[peak basalt]

im playing the game again after beating it when 1.0 came out and apparently crouch jumping causes you to accelerate source engine style now

[south sinew]

it is useful in various alternates like electrode aluminium, but it's not required if you don't have one of those specific alts you want to use

[reef wasp]

Race for nuclear.

[fathom shuttle]

For the aluminum it’s like 3-4 minutes

The train will be going 200kmh downhill

The power line thing I extended to power the blue crater early on is blocking my way bruh

[dense violet]

that should be fine then yeah. heaps

[wicked nacelle]

it always has -- or at least since like.. b6

[peak basalt]

i remember it making you go faster but now you just keep accelerating

[wicked nacelle]

maybe I don't understand. I just meant if you slide you go faster than running and if you jump you maintain whatever speed you had when you jumped -- and jetpack holds it too

[peak basalt]

no like each crouch jump adds even more speed now

[misty hawk]

how can i run 3 water extractors into 8 coal generators with only mark 1 pipes

[peak basalt]

two pipes with a splitter

[misty hawk]

how can i make sure that its equal though

cause each extractor can only supply two generators on their own but three is exactly enough for all 8

[wicked nacelle]

run one pipe to each end and one in the middle

and if you think about it you'll realize that no spot has to have more than 300/m going through it in a pipe.

[wicked nacelle]

it works because it can't work any other way. the edges will drink from the edge pipes until there's no more than they will drink from center

[misty hawk]

why can i not put a junction on the end of a pipe

[fathom shuttle]

Do you think this will cause trains to collide? #screenshots

[wicked nacelle]

yes, looks like rails are too close. Also, best to post rail pictures with colors on the rails so people can see the blocks

[fathom shuttle]

Idk how I managed to spaghetti’s rails

[fathom shuttle]

Haven’t placed the signals yet lol

[wicked nacelle]

well then obviously trains will crash

but yeah it looks like some of your rails that would ideally be different blocks are too close and trains will hit

[fathom shuttle]

Idk how to space them out tbh

[wicked nacelle]

you can always try by just putting some stationary cars on one side and then try to drive another by it

[dense violet]

not if you have your block signals 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

go vertical

[fathom shuttle]

Are the overlapping rails fine?

[dense violet]

prooooobably? I'm not sure why you just don't have all the stations in one line though. Much easier rail management and saves space

it'd make your life much easier

[fathom shuttle]

I can do that?

[calm siren]

How do you make sure that a vertical splitter can always be aligned with machine input? Sometimes it can only be placed a little too high ot too low relative to the input

[wicked nacelle]

put the stations all facing the same direction parallel to each other with just enough room for container buffers then share a rail going in with a split off to each entrance and a rail leaving with a merge from each exit.

[dense violet]

parralel, not series

[wicked nacelle]

put a second one and then delete the up conveyor and then build another up conveyor... it offsets the offset

[dense violet]

side by side

[wicked nacelle]

cobalt doesn't see what I say so he just says the same thing as I say

[calm siren]

Can you explain how these offsets work, please?

[wicked nacelle]

if you build a vertical lift and put a vertical splitter/merger and then delete the lift after that and rebuild it off the merger/splitter, it offsets future ones by "half a unit"

[calm siren]

Yeah, I got it

[wicked nacelle]

so if you offset it by a half again... you're back on "good" spacing

[fathom shuttle]

I put an underground logistics layer

So I’ll have one foundation

[calm siren]

Thanks

[wicked nacelle]

it's super annoying, btw. I'm not saying it's not 🙂 but that's the workaround

[fathom shuttle]

How would that work? I’d run into issues with the rail having too many switches

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think you can nudge them yet. they're sort of a red headed step child after thought implementation. You also cannot upgrade a splitter to smart splitter on verticals... even though you can place them

[fathom shuttle]

The max is 3

[leaden ether]

Ha, the number of times I've had to move power towers when I start building something new... -.-

[calm siren]

I wonder if you can plan which height to place each foundation level to make sure that it doesn't happen

[wicked nacelle]

you do it one after another. it's etiher "straight or station 1" then "straight or staation 2" then "straight or station 3"

[wicked nacelle]

no clue

[fathom shuttle]

Oh alr

[wicked nacelle]

I have some let me get there

[wicked nacelle]

this is not ideal, but it give syou the idea https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1393031001579585576/image.png?ex=6871b0b8&is=68705f38&hm=bc52ecee0a5f4bbaf95fc0ea8af3e08e7a8bfceddb67207f44b8af960b3ad313&

[naive pendant]

That's an impressive amount of describing train stuff with just words (until right now).

Those are some fancy looking track setups in #screenshots

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1393031290936365116/image.png?ex=6871b0fd&is=68705f7d&hm=7b08132f7214f0c57e4f268dc12a146d3b0cbc0fedb734f1fd66fbe2f52e8827& exits

[fathom shuttle]

I professionally visualized it

[dense violet]

one sec

[fathom shuttle]

Check #screenshots

Yea I get it now

[naive pendant]

Yea, that style of in parallel stations is one of the classic setups for multiple stations.

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll just need to move the rails ahead like 100m because I have a station to the right

[naive pendant]

A healthy amount of pre planning locations is needed, yup.

[fathom shuttle]

I threw that stations down for the concrete and Caterium

[misty hawk]

when the mam says rescanning a hard drive can only be done once is that per hard drive?

[fathom shuttle]

just 780 Caterium btw lmao

[wicked nacelle]

and if you want to save scum, just save right before you reroll it and if you don't get one you like, reload and reroll and you'll get something different (most likely)

[fathom shuttle]

Nah just reroll a couple of times, if that hard drives doesn’t have what you need it just doesn’t

[wicked nacelle]

@misty hawk also, if you have an option in your inventory you won't get that as an option from another hard drive so it's valuable to keep bad options unselected -- it removes them from the pool

don't just select something to select something.

[naive pendant]

Or just power through all the HDDs at a given tier by just selecting whatever.

[wicked nacelle]

only pick an alt recipe when you're going to use it (or if it has two really good ones so that you return the other good one to the pool)

like if you got one with recycled rubber AND recycled plastic

[naive pendant]

Boombox, jetpack, and an IRL 10 (15?) minute timer for mass HDD hunting.

[fathom shuttle]

Yea it’s faster to hunt for hard drives than to save scum

[wicked nacelle]

nah. especially early game when it loads uberfast.

ooh, yeah the 10m timer to remind you to drop a mam and reserach another HDD

it makes a sound when it's done but it's easy to miss

[fathom shuttle]

Mann I need to go for a slug hunt

I need 600 for nuclear power plant alone + another 600 for whatever I wanna do later

[wicked nacelle]

600 what?

shards?

you want a spoiler?

[atomic olive]

make sure you're slooping your slugs

[wicked nacelle]

sloop your slugs and double-sloop your DNA

[atomic olive]

(which is totally a sentence that makes sense)

[wicked nacelle]

zoop and sloop

[atomic olive]

double slooping dna almost feels like cheating. so many tickets

(almost)

[fathom shuttle]

Yea

I’ve been slooping them but 1k powershards will take a long time to gather

[wicked nacelle]

@fathom shuttle can I PLEASE give you a spoiler?

I save you some time

a LOOOOT of time

[fathom shuttle]

I know I can find it on the interactive time and automate them

[wicked nacelle]

you can make them in a factory (not sure if that's what you were saying)

[fathom shuttle]

Ye I know but I can’t wait until tier 9

[foggy heart]

whats an appropriate amount of motors to be producing when starting at tier 3? I'm building a factory thats gonna be spitting out 25/m

[wicked nacelle]

depends how much time you have. motors are an early-mid-game boss fight.

[foggy heart]

i have all the time in the world

[wicked nacelle]

then 1/hr is fine

[foggy heart]

omg xD

i have all the time but not much patience lmao

[wicked nacelle]

maybe 10? they're hard to make even much later in the game... such a pita

but you need them for building factories as well as parts for unlocking stuff

[foggy heart]

aha so i should be golden with 25/m then

[wicked nacelle]

the alt that uses crys osc. helps a lot but cry osc are a pITA

for a while for sure. turbomotors will eat them up though

[foggy heart]

yeah just wanna get a motor factory going then start playing around with oil & trains

can always scale it up with mk 4 belts

[wicked nacelle]

yeah 25/m will be fine. make sure to DD them as they're used for build gun for a lot of things. dimensional depot

[foggy heart]

DD?

oh right

[fathom shuttle]

You need 275/min

[wicked nacelle]

what a dick

[foggy heart]

thats pretty unrealistic for starting tier 3 no?

[wicked nacelle]

YES. Yes it is.

[foggy heart]

lmao

[fathom shuttle]

Back in my days 2750/min was considered below beginner

[wicked nacelle]

bookie yer drnk go home

[foggy heart]

motors?

MOTORS?

[fathom shuttle]

Ballistic warp drives

[wicked nacelle]

ha

[fathom shuttle]

But anyway motors are pretty easy to automate if you have solid steel, iron wire, stitched plates, and steel rotors @foggy heart

You won’t need to deal with screws with those alts

[wicked nacelle]

screws aren't hard and shouldn't be considered intimidating

You just have to not think about making them in one place and putting them on a belt. you put iron ingots in and make screws as you need them

though cast screws do save you a ton of space if you have it

[fathom shuttle]

I’m talking about resource efficiency and ease of gathering them

[wicked nacelle]

iron is by far the most common resource

I don't think iron wire and stitched is more efficient (but I could be wrong)

base recipe 12 iron -> reinforced plate oh -- wow, it is. 8.7 iron -> reinforced plate. mb

[keen horizon]

Still missing Snutt, please come back 🥲

[fathom shuttle]

He died yesterday

[naive pendant]

Talk about killing the chat…

[reef wasp]

What are some alternatives to Satisfactory Calculator for planning?

[haughty flax]

generally is there more demand for plastic or rubber?

[dense violet]

the best option https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[wicked nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/@GameDevCircle/videos

[dense violet]

early on? plastic. after that.. with alts it's really wahtever you choose

[untold moat]

<looks at you in water>

[reef wasp]

Thank you.

[dense violet]

it takes a bit of practice but is really solid. You probably want to turn off the converter machine or sam ore if you're not using it, some of hte base recipes are ore conversion and it'll try to use those

[wicked nacelle]

be on the lookout for both recycled rubber and recycled plastic and you can easily make a great factory that makes however much of which your setup currently demands. As well as diluted fuel and heavy oil residue alts. Those are 4 of the most important alts in the game - they are all "take as soon as you see them" alts

[haughty flax]

curious on recycled plastic, using fuel & rubber to make plastic is worth?

[wicked nacelle]

abso-fucking-lutely

you basically have to use those recipes

HOR -> diluted fuel -> recycled bootstrapped by that blue stuff that you don't want turned into rubber

you basically get free stuff from water

[haughty flax]

thats pretty much the setup i have right now actually, heavy oil residue into diluted packaged fuel yeah

[wicked nacelle]

all the "free stuff from water" recipes are important

[haughty flax]

i guess once u get other power sources, fuel is free for other uses

[wicked nacelle]

there's plenty of oil for rocket fuel power and plastic/rubber. problem is when you use it for other stuff that it doesn't need to be used for like aluminum or whatever -- or for me i throw all I'm not using for other things at diamonds - oil diamonds and turbo fuel diamonds

[white dawn]

"Worth" is often a tough metric to quantify in this game; just about everything comes with tradeoffs. The most oil-efficient petrochemical process does, indeed, make use of the Recycled recipes (you get 3x the amount of input oil as any ratio of rubber/plastic you want). The main tradeoff there is that it's a much more complicated factory; you may prefer to keep things simpler, etc.

[naive pendant]

@haughty flax The recycled rubber/plastic alts are a more advanced “puzzle” design wise with reward of high resource efficiency. The map is big and resource efficiency isn’t inherently necessary. But it’s fun to figure out those alts if you’re wanting that kind of thing. I enjoyed it.

[wicked nacelle]

the game forces you to make more complex factories -- it would be a crap game if it didn't

and while the game story is actually a "quantity" game, the real game is a rate game. That was actually the biggest mistake they made, IMHO. They made a game mechanic behind rate and then tried to force a square peg into a round hole for a quantity game

[naive pendant]

There’s no time pressure and you have infinite power. Ala any rate of production beats the game.

[fallen moss]

Chat

[white dawn]

There's only two things in the game which require production at a specific rate, and both of those are very arguably post-game

You can produce things as slowly as you want and you'll get there in the end

[wicked nacelle]

like power augmenters? or?

each power augmenter gives the same amount of energy (kWh) and batteries store power so there's nothing forcing a rate on those

[white dawn]

Yeah, Alien Power Augmentors eat Alien Power Matrixes at 5/min, and Portals eat Singularity Cells at 2/min (unless I'm misremembering those numbers, but I think that's right)

[wicked nacelle]

and of course with portals you can just use them and shut them down with only a small time penalty. then restart them when you want to go back

[white dawn]

APMs are a pure "because I want to" project, and I'd be surprised if too many people build out Portals until near the very end of their game, if not after they've technically completed the game

[wicked nacelle]

portals are just bad. You should be able to just click the map and go there at the end game. hypertube cannons are better than portals because you can adjust your course trivially and go anywhere on the map -- not only where you've put portals

and you can just toss one down from a blueprint anywhere you have power -- and portals need power

and with DD's it's not like teleporting back to your shopping mall to get supplies is valuable so that you'd have a place you'd want to frequently go

[naive pendant]

Arguably hyper tube cannons are OP and should have been removed. Idk about basing design around hyper tube cannons’ context.

[wicked nacelle]

I don't disagree

the way jetpacks can change your direction and maintain speed is very valuable... the fact that they can turn you 180 degrees but not make you go faster when you're going 3mph is head scratching though

[foggy heart]

#screenshots
Would it fine to merge all of these into 1 mk 4 belt and then just use a splitter after that? Am I understanding how to manifold correctly?

[naive pendant]

One moment, sir pickle

[foggy heart]

@wicked nacelle idk why but this feels illegal

[white dawn]

I kind of disagree, honestly. If you've been automating project parts, you've even already got Singularity Cells being produced which you don't need anymore. I don't personally have any problems with instantaneous map travel requiring some setup effort

[foggy heart]

like wayyy too easy, surely theres a catch?

[wicked nacelle]

manifolds are REAAAAALY powerful

[wicked nacelle]

"you've even already got Singularity Cells being produced which you don't need anymore" excuse me? What are these that you are referring to?

warp drives suck down cells

[willow glen]

the catch is if you manifold them together, the machines won’t get the right ratio till it backs up. It’ll back up pretty quickly, usually 1-5 minutes, so I don’t really think it’s an issue

[white dawn]

Sure, and as soon as you complete that Elevator delivery, you suddenly have Cells which can be trivially redirected to your portals

[wicked nacelle]

and awesome sinks looooooooove wawrp drives

[gloomy heart]

Is there a reinforced concrete recipie that's a lot better than the vanilla?

[white dawn]

And indeed, yes, at the expense of sink points

[wicked nacelle]

100% you have to be a bit patient with manifolds, but just go work on something else 🙂

[naive pendant]

Tradeoffs rather than better.

[foggy heart]

feels like cheating xD

[wicked nacelle]

reinforced pipe

[white dawn]

So that's a tradeoff, I guess. But still; my point is that you'll have them sitting right there

(So long as you fully automated, anyway)

[wicked nacelle]

I require a coupon a minute

I'm getting close. I'm at 200M/m

[white dawn]

Mostly I'm just responding to the "You should be able to just click the map and go there at the end game" thing. IMO requiring user effort to instantly teleport across the map is 100% fine

[wicked nacelle]

If it cost 100 singularity cells per warp, I'd be fine with that

that would be useful to me. also click on the map to nuke the spot would also be useful to me 🙂

I would pay 100 warp drives for that

[ivory condor]

I would pay 10,000 warp cores to flatten the entire map, that would be fun

[foggy heart]

also is just me or do you guys also have issues with the straight mode when working with belts? like sometimes it doesnt register your mouseclicks, and also when placing a belt without any turns in straight mode sometimes leaves it with a little kink at the end?

[haughty flax]

which are those 2?

[strong pond]

quick question can a singular train freight platform load/unload multiple rescources?

[tranquil hemlock]

I have seen that second one fairly often. Usually happens after a turn, if the turn's a little bit off, it messes up the whole thing. I always just scrap the turn and fix it by placing the conveyor poles manually, and then doing the conveyor once the route is set

[tranquil hemlock]

I think so, but it will load it all into a single carriage. So nothing will be separated, and you'll have to sort it all afterwards

[atomic olive]

is a miner involved?

[foggy heart]

nah

[atomic olive]

ahh, I've seen it coming from miners which are annoyingly not aligned with the grid

[foggy heart]

also on modeler, when it says I need like 5.77 machines for example, that means I can either have 6 machines with 1 set to 77% or 5 machines with 1 set to 177%, or is this wrong?

[tranquil hemlock]

I think that's right

[atomic olive]

I would favor the former

[robust zodiac]

I started a new save a few days ago and the reason for that is (like multiple previous attempts) is that I always go in with crazy momentum and then as soon as I need to move items with trains or trucks, I hit a brick wall completely. What can I do? I really want to get somewhere with this new save

[foggy heart]

Im favouring whichever one gives me symmetry lmao

[foggy heart]

Im exactly the same lol

[atomic olive]

my motivation is conserving shards, and the way power consumption scales with over/underclocking. Another machine on the line is trivial, and uses less power than overclocking the prev machine

do I need to conserve shards? no. Do I anyway? yes.

[foggy heart]

wait so youre saying 1 machine overclocked by like 10% uses more power than 2 whole machines?

[atomic olive]

are my factories jank? also yes

[foggy heart]

lol

[tranquil hemlock]

I'm similar. Though lately, as I delve more into the mechanics of the game, I'm doing better, and I'll do a big "learning project", like trains, or blueprints, or something like that, and then I'll come into the next save with that knowledge, which lets me progress just that little bit further

[atomic olive]

the power consumption isn't linear

[foggy heart]

yeah i know that, but i didnt know its that drastic

[boreal musk]

fully overclocked machine takes 33% more power

[atomic olive]

didn't say it was drastic, but when putting another underclocked machine on the line is trivial...

[foggy heart]

im not that great at maths but what im understanding then is that 2 machines will use 200% power whereas 1 fully oc'd machine will use 133% then?

[foggy heart]

or are you meaning that 1 fully oc'd machine will use 233%?

[atomic olive]

one machine at %169 = 2 machines at %100 IIRC (power consumption)

so if you're OCing you're sacrificing power for footprint.

[fathom shuttle]

You can take 1 oil and turn it into 5 of either

It’s a must have if you plan on doing any electronics

[leaden ether]

And delaying getting Carpel tunnel :)

[subtle nexus]

Satisfactory console

[foggy heart]

At 59% clock speed (59.1943) your power consumption is halved but you still produce 59% of the items, so by adding another 59% building you will produce 18% more items than a single 100% building for the same power usage.
At 169% clock speed (168.9353) your power consumption is equal to the consumption of 2 100% buildings but you will produce 18% fewer items
At 230% clock speed (229.5770) your power consumption is equal to the consumption of 3 100% buildings but you will produce 30% fewer items

[naive pendant]

Clear as day

[foggy heart]

so the most efficient way to build with power in mind is u/c everything to 59% lmao

[fathom shuttle]

@wicked nacelle #screenshots message what do you think

[leaden ether]

Thankfully power is such that none of that matters after a while -.-

[fathom shuttle]

It’s 0.1% clock speed actually

[naive pendant]

It’s definitely been explored as a concept and the tldr was there isn’t really a “break point” that is optimal for underclocking.

[atomic olive]

yeah, this is the way. But in the meantime when modeler says X.Y buildings, I do X + 1 underclocked to Y

[naive pendant]

I mainly did everything at default clock with underclocking for the fraction of final machine.

Or same total clock with equal under clock

[leaden ether]

I just completed the ironworks factory, every machine and miner/water extracter boosted to 200%. WHen the layout calls for > 100 machines at multiple stages... Time to break out the canisters of slug goo in force.

[atomic olive]

oh yeah I'm nowhere near that lol

[fathom shuttle]

Gonna need to signal a lot of track,, a lot of track

[burnt ferry]

is the idea of the smart plating that it can extend itself to certain cubebased shapes?

[naive pendant]

@fathom shuttle Are you using standard size 90 degree turns? The 3x3 size.

[burnt ferry]

like not in the way we can uise it but in terms of the game lore

[fathom shuttle]

Yea I think so, I just counted 3 foundations and did it based off that

[naive pendant]

I always assumed it was just a plate with smarts stuff on it. (can tell I don’t do lore)

[burnt ferry]

'smart'stuff? 😂

i mean yea it makes sense for ficsit

[fathom shuttle]

Is it the standard way to do it?

[naive pendant]

It’s got those gear fiddly bits. Looked smarts.

@fathom shuttle Yea there’s a minimum size 90 degree turn that’s like 3 foundations. Good idea to use it to keep things consistent. Couldn’t tell if yours looked different.

[burnt ferry]

i just thought since we put a bunch of frames and then plates and some motors, suddenly i had this idea that all of that can be used to have some kind of self constructing cube, which then can be used to kinda autonomously build that space thing we send stuff up the elevator for

[leaden ether]

I had completed hooking up 8 mk6 belts to the freight platforms and while watching the train come by for a pickup. I realized that the factory stall during the cargo pickup, which I had ignored on smaller builds, was suddenly going to be devastating. Had to undo all the last 50 meters of belts and lifts and redo them with industrial buffers between them and the cargo docks so the factory continues to run constantly even when one of 2 or 3 trains are constantly coming by to pick up items.

[burnt ferry]

dont know why we dont send the cubes right away since size doesnt seem to matter

[fathom shuttle]

Is there a way to name station when you have controller enabled

[naive pendant]

“The smarts go in the square hole” of the smart plating.

[fathom shuttle]

Good to know, I’ll be sticking to that because I always had trouble getting turns to line up right

[naive pendant]

I got most of my rail tips from this “toaster gaming rails youtube” video series then playing around in game extensively. Kinda a pain to explore all the rail stuff. Just lots of permutations.

[gloomy heart]

If i have two trains that go to the same station. Can i make it so that one train doesn't load but the other does?

[distant hill]

The only way I can think of would be scuffed and probably wouldn't work A fully loaded car can't pick up anything... but naturally that means making sure the car is fully loaded when it makes that stop... or a liquid station with a solids car... That's probably wildly scuffed... I'd just build a second station unless that's just absolutely impossible.

[tranquil hemlock]

If the train's timetable doesn't include that station, wouldn't that stop it from loading/unloading at said station? I've only just scratched the surface of train logistics, but that's my thought on the matter

[distant hill]

I considered that But if he has it going to that station there must be a reason. What he wants is two trains going to the same station but cherry picking which train picks up which cargo, and I don't think you can do that without the scuffed method I mentioned... as I say, it "could" work, but I'd never do it...

[noble topaz]

so
if a splitter gets 4 of a item, and theres only 3 possible directions, where does the 4th go to?

[distant hill]

Oh wait I wonder if you could stick actual TRAINS in the gaps... maybe...

[tranquil hemlock]

Same direction as the first

[distant hill]

I don't know the exact order but splitters go say... left, center, right, then back to left again

[tranquil hemlock]

Anyone know off the top of their head the height of a refinery?

[noble topaz]

thats what i thought, so i put another splitter on the first belt, and nothing came though to that belt

[distant hill]

For the record is is apparently center, right, left

[dense violet]

it will, over time, split the volume equally

so if you're moving 4ppm and split it there ways, you'll get 4/3 ppm on each output

[foggy heart]

when working with a manifold line where 1 machine needs to be overclocked, is it better to oc the machine at the start or the end?

[dense violet]

makes no difference

manifolds care about

1. enough ppm for hte system
2. fast enough belt

the only minor exception is a diluted packaged fuel loop. Which needs minor adjustements

[undone crow]

Would a playthrough with only belt and pipe highways spanning the entire map eventually lag the game out / crash the FPS? Like if you literally made belt highways from one biome to another to move massive quantities of resources for whatever.

My assumption is yes.

[distant hill]

What is even considered a 'mega' factory... I don't guess there's a metric, I built much larger than I usually do but I've seen something like... a factory that was doing 300 frames a minute, I don't know for what, but that was part of it

[dense violet]

not really, they are fairly optimized. Mostly will depend how big the whole system is

[dense violet]

no strict definition - generally along the lines of 'everything is built here'

like bringing in all the raw material and then processing

[distant hill]

Mine is doing 10 'final elevator' products a minute... I've long since done the final step of course, I've run around "mistake fixing"... but it's been running perfectly for 4-5 hours now so I guess I'm done

[dense violet]

from the ground up?

[distant hill]

You're asking me? If so I'm not sure what you're asking

[dense violet]

as in are you bringing in all the raw materials for hte 10 final space parts pm to that one spot

[distant hill]

Oh Nah, I have the plastic and rubber... it's "slightly off" the main then there's the aluminum ingots and some of the copper powder.

[dense violet]

see that's a tough one, that' sounds pretty megaish

I was actually going ot use the example of

'you make everything to phase 5 space parts in the one spot, but you bring in plastic and rubber from an outer hub'

I'd say that's a megafactory

maybe a megafactory is absolutely all raw goods in one spot, and everything else is degrees of mega 😛

[distant hill]

Having to ship in all that damn coal and scrounge up enough copper was something at least

[noble topaz]

how do i deal with the big rammers

[dense violet]

jet pack and guns are simple.
you can also make a small blueprinted fort to shoot them from

[fathom shuttle]

Ok guys I need to decide if I’m manifolding the nuclear fuel rods or load balancing them

I’m thinking that I’ll need to run like 24 belts if I wanted to load balance

[noble topaz]

im still on getting the first space elevator parts

i can't be a weapons dealer yet

[dense violet]

most of it is organised in the MAM, research that stuff asap

but if you're in phase 1 still just keep plugging away, you're really incentivised to gear up before exploring

[dense violet]

are the rods being made in the same spot? it could be 24 very short belts if you clock and place it right

I'd just manifold and not care about the radiation

[fathom shuttle]

Well not the same spot but the same general area

[fathom shuttle]

Yea that’s what I’m thinking, idk why the standard way is to load balance

Maybe it takes a long time for a low throughput item to fully saturate a belt? I’ll just have a couple of storage bins full then

[peak wasp]

hey friends....can someone direct me to a new player q and a?

[fathom shuttle]

#1038092680493801533

[peak wasp]

thanks friend

[fathom shuttle]

The alclad casing recipe is very useless

@simple nymph scammer

[viral tendon]

Whats up with that

Is that like scam link

[haughty flax]

yeah im not clicking that

[fathom shuttle]

Your loss ig I just won 1 trillion dollars

[viral tendon]

Ip grabber

[wicked nacelle]

It’s super not useless. It saves a ton of aluminumi just converted my whole casing construction to that and it’s saving me probably - pure node of bauxite worth of stuff. Copper is nearly useless in this game so anything that multiplies something useful is great

[dense violet]

it does take a long time to saturate yes. But you'll also still need radiation gear even if it's low? personal preferences I suppose. You could jsut fill up containers of rods while you build the actual generators yeah

[dense violet]

if it's just a quick question ask in here 🙂

but qna is also fine. Good for more detailed questions too

[peak wasp]

You all seem so advanced. Hard to know where a noob belongs

[wicked nacelle]

Everyone here is at differen levels and the community is mostly friendly

[dense violet]

do you like sand box games where you like to build your own projects with your own challenges?

[fathom shuttle]

Well I need 1350 casings
Default takes 1950
Alclad takes 1730 and 880 copper
220 aluminum savings lol

[wicked nacelle]

Now multiply that by 10

[peak wasp]

Dunno how to answer

[fathom shuttle]

9% savings or something

Prime ahh deals

[wicked nacelle]

That’s a lot for a resource that is scarce

[fathom shuttle]

You need 13k casings? Even at scale the complexity alclad casing brings is just not worth it

[dense violet]

have you played sand box games before? minecraft for example

[peak wasp]

No

[fathom shuttle]

Never played Minecraft is interesting for sure

[haughty flax]

have u ever played in a sandbox irl

[peak wasp]

Yeah I get looked down a lot

[dense violet]

orly? ok Well I think satisfactory is a good example for it.

You can play it so you're 'finished' after completing the phases, but imo you get a lot from the game after you finished the phases and decide on your own projects following self imposed design ideas

[wicked nacelle]

I would take a much worse trade for copper to get aluminum than 10%

[dense violet]

so for example, you can look at tiers 1-9 as a solid tutorial where you master the basics and then do your own thing.

[wicked nacelle]

Pure copper is 2.5x to 1 for ore.

[fathom shuttle]

I think you’d get more aluminum if you took the ore then made bauxite from it lol

[frail sleet]

that drains SAM, the other ultraprecious resource

alclad is really fine, and if you run out of copper it's a great sloop target (powder constructors get you so many extra ingots per sloop)

[gritty sleet]

As a counter, I'd call tiers 1-9 as a full game. I'm not intending to keep playing after I finish all the objectives, but there's certainly nothing stopping one from doing so if they still want to keep building.

[wicked nacelle]

There isn’t any more

There isn’t that much on the map

And things like sulfur and quartz have to be selected where to use

Copper does not

[fathom shuttle]

4.5k Sam is 54k bauxite tho

Reanimated Sam

[dense violet]

oh sure some people take it as that, but you can easily finish the tiers without making perfect systems or even solid foundation of mechanics

[frail sleet]

4.5k reanimated SAM is 180% of the map SAM, and if it did exist, how would you turn that into 54k baux

by spending over 200% of the map's copper i guess

in terms of resource priority it's like SAM>Baux>Copper

so spending a significant chunk of SAM to turn 1.5 copper into 1 baux isn't helping that much

[gritty sleet]

Yep. I'm doing both at the same time, so my tier 1-9 game is going VERY long

[viral tendon]

You really don't need 4.5k reanimated sam

[fathom shuttle]

It’s slooped

I think it only takes 35 sloops

[viral tendon]

"only" btw

[frail sleet]

Slooping the reanimated SAM alone takes 30 sloops, you dont sloop converter?

[viral tendon]

Are you like SAMmaxing or what bro

[fathom shuttle]

Maybe in the future

[viral tendon]

Fuck you need that much SAM for

[frail sleet]

SAM is really useful, it's good to sloop

[fathom shuttle]

I’m slooping the constructors only

[frail sleet]

but 1 baux and 1.5 copper have a very similar value, so spending a significant amount of SAM/sloops to convert them one way or the other is i think typically not gonna be worth doing

[viral tendon]

You really don't need that much

[fathom shuttle]

I don’t really have a use for it tbh, if my resam usage is over 2k I’ll do it tho

[frail sleet]

It depends what you build, for map scale projects it breaks first. You "really dont need that much" of anything, but when you do, SAM runs out.

[fathom shuttle]

I don’t think I’ll ever come near that tho

[viral tendon]

Satisfactory players doing anything but making useful projects in the game

[frail sleet]

it is a useful project

i'm automating everything and making the whole project assembly every 20mins

[viral tendon]

How is map scale project useful

[frail sleet]

you dont need much resources to do the tutorial 😄

[viral tendon]

Trust me you dddon't need to make project assembly every 20 minutes

[frail sleet]

you dont need to install the game either

but we do

[charred ruin]

is there anything better in terms of pure power produced than nuclear? im guessing it'll be in tier 9, but still curious

[viral tendon]

nope

[frail sleet]

ionized exists but it's only useful in small amounts

otherwise uranium>plutonium and rocket fuel are peak

[viral tendon]

Plutnoium is literally made out of uranium

[frail sleet]

and APA's

[viral tendon]

Ahh, my favorite rocket fuel, 3000 machines for 150k MW

It's just boring

[dense violet]

nah, t9 doesn't really have any power solutions that's better
if you decide to burn the plutonium rods you make from U waste you can process THAT waste at great expense. But I just use the plu rods in drones or something

and 1 nuclear gen is worth 10 fuel so you don't wind up with fields of the basards at least

[viral tendon]

Plutonium waste isn't produced as much as nuclear waste, imo it's better to use plutonium as a fuel for power plants

[charred ruin]

im having a slight issue with my grid, where if the production dips for even a second, it all comes crashing down

[dense violet]

you could build some power storage for now? protect from dips if you won't want to rejigger whatever is the problem with your fuel gens

[viral tendon]

Or you can use plutnoium waste for ficsonium

Iirc ficsonium doesn't produce waste

So ficsit really doesn't waste

[frail sleet]

dont dip production and/or build more power generation

[fallow tundra]

I wander if anyone knows the blueprint builder building a building that the player doesn’t have unlocked it first.

[charred ruin]

ok so i think that worked

i just spammed down a bunch of storages

[wicked nacelle]

Takes a TON of Sam though

[charred ruin]

because i needed to clear my inventory of encased beams anyway

[viral tendon]

Atleast you don't have use storage that much

[wicked nacelle]

Not enough sam in the game to process the amount of plutonium you can make

[viral tendon]

True

[wicked nacelle]

So it’s best to just burn all the uranium and sink all the plutonium fuel
Rods if you’re maximizing (I think)

[viral tendon]

I use plut rods for power

I just bild the most unnecsesraly big storage so it takes 300 days to fill that thing up

I just got blueprints mk 3, my storage is gonna be big

[dense violet]

it's a good way to kick start projects like nuclear if you don't have the static power for it too

[viral tendon]

My max production is 10k MWs more than i produce, time to make a shit ton of nuclaer power plants

[wicked nacelle]

You can start nuclear power with virtually no power. And o ce you have one online you can easily power the rest

[charred ruin]

yeah the storages helped me get my nuclear back online

plus i realised i was stupid, cause i never connected my second reactor to the grid 💀

probably would have helped

[dense violet]

yup 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

Once you have some batteries charged take them off the grid. That way if you run out you just turn those on to fix the problem. Smart power switch means you can do it remotely too

[dense violet]

though only 2 nuclear gens, even completely over clocked probably won't manage phase 5 unless you have a good chunk of other power or have very minimal factories

[charred ruin]

ive pretty much every geyser covered with a geothermal

and i maxed out my fuel gens just now

[wicked nacelle]

Geothermal is essentially worthless. Once you can build them you don’t need them

[charred ruin]

this seems to be holding up well

[wicked nacelle]

If you need to hypertube cannon yourself from somewhere without power then one is great but that’s about it

[charred ruin]

i also got a plutonium reactor online, so thats helping

[wicked nacelle]

And a smile and $6 will get you a cup of coffee.

[storm bay]

anytips on starting a new save and staying motivated? I had one that I played when I first started, one where I focused way too much time into a 50 computer/min factory (that didn't even work efficently), and I started a new save for 1.1 and played a little, but I have no motivation at all

[gritty sleet]

I plan everything well in advance using Satisfactory Tools to avoid rebuilding things

[viral tendon]

Whats the 3rd use of uranium other htan uranium cells

[dense violet]

I mean it depends. Does it just burn you out?

[storm bay]

I load my game up, look around, and just leave

ddon't feel motivated to do anything, even though I have plenty of things I could do

[dense violet]

doesn't sounds like you're in a mental state for it :\ If I'm like that it's because I'm in a very low place without much that can stimulate me

[foggy heart]

#screenshots First attempt at building a factory without any help or guides. Now just to plug in inputs and power & hope everything works 😂 25 motors per min + 10 rotors and 10 stators for storage

[reef basin]

stators don't need to be in storage 🤔

[foggy heart]

Then 10 stators for automated wiring or something XD

[wicked nacelle]

It’s fine to move on. Games shouldn’t be expected to entertain you forever.

[storm bay]

I've only made it like halfway through the game progress wise though

[wicked nacelle]

I stopped reading wheel of time when I realized it sucked 🙂

Other people love it but it wasn’t for me. And those people are wrong 🙂

[gritty sleet]

The Awesome Shop should have a BBQ that you can use to turn alien remains into food.

And each alien's meat makes a different food item

[misty hawk]

is +6 inventory slots a good hard drive upgrade?

[reef basin]

eh, I wouldn't say so, since I'd just put everything in dimensional depot

[gritty sleet]

I'll probably take the hard drive slot upgrades close to last, after I've got all the useful alts

[tranquil hemlock]

Packaged fuel and packaged biofuel have the same burn rates and stuff, right?

[dense violet]

nope

[gritty sleet]

They have different jetpack performance

[dense violet]

I think different energy density as well

[gritty sleet]

I think they used to be equal back in early access, but they changed the biofuel just to give more of a reason to make it. It's the best jetpack fuel (imo) until the endgame stuff.

[boreal musk]

both has the same burn rate in fuel gen, not for jetpack fuel

[tranquil hemlock]

Ah, that must be why I had the idea that they were the same

[wicked nacelle]

Yes and if you don’t take it early you won’t see it until much later again most likely.

[wicked nacelle]

They are useful right away and forever

[tranquil hemlock]

Just trying to figure out where I could set up a refinery to produce the biofuel when the empty cannisters are being made at a location with no damn water XD Might do a long trip to another oil location that has water later on, and just use normal packaged fuel for now 😅 Was hoping to have a use for lots of biofuel/biomass XD

[noble topaz]

i hate rocks

#screenshots message

[gritty sleet]

I made my biofuel at my oil refinery, since it already has all the plastic and empty container making stuff.

(And it just fits aesthetically)

[tranquil hemlock]

No water here

Meaning I'd need to set up either a train route or ridiculously long pipeline to get it

Damn desert 🥲

[tranquil hemlock]

Relatable XD Rocks and terrain; the worst enemies in the game

[gritty sleet]

#screenshots message

Mine has a bit of water...

[tranquil hemlock]

#screenshots message

Mine doesn't XD

[gritty sleet]

Do you have the fracking machine that I keep forgetting the name of to get water up from that?

(Assuming you're even near one of those nodes)

[misty hawk]

how can i permanently get rid of a hatcher?

[boreal musk]

theres a small pond near those oil nodes, if youre precise enough, you can place 2 water extractors

[boreal musk]

place a powered machine around their spawn area

[misty hawk]

oh cool i planned on doing that anyway

[boreal musk]

@tranquil hemlock

[tranquil hemlock]

I'll have a look

[gritty sleet]

Is that the one in the western dune desert with the two geysers?

[boreal musk]

yes

[gritty sleet]

There's a water well just south of there too, but yeah, needs the fracking machine

(Which isn't until you get aluminum stuff going iirc)

[boreal musk]

its well extractor, tier 8

[burnt ferry]

well, its extractor. 8. tier

[steady glade]

kill it, build a 3x3x3 over where it was

[foggy heart]

holy cow the steel screw recipe is busted

77 coal + 77 iron ore = 1500 screws wtf

[tranquil hemlock]

That's a LOT of screwing around

(I'll show myself out)

[reef basin]

wait until you find steel rod, which gives you even more

[dense violet]

probably less with solid steel ingot

[tranquil hemlock]

Phrasing?! 😂

[reef basin]

what

[dense violet]

penis euphamism

[tranquil hemlock]

XD My mind is permanently in the gutter, so I found it funny

[foggy heart]

thats with solid steel ingot

[dense violet]

the best part of steel screws though is the compactness imo

it's not as resource efficient as other recipes but it's worth the price I think

[foggy heart]

Just unlocked trains and Ada's voiceline is AMAZING xDDD

[tranquil hemlock]

😂 I actually burst out laughing the first time I heard that

[frozen cloud]

unlock homing ammo

[foggy heart]

doing it now

Oh wait I cant do cz i havent unlocked the rifle yet lmao

[silk ocean]

Are there a lot more slugs since I last did a playthru back in Update 7 era? or am I just losing my marbles

[leaden turret]

world updates had the tendancy to respawn slugs

(if you're replaying an old save)

[silk ocean]

Oh this is a brand new play I started in 1.1

It feels like there are loads more slugs around, but maybe I am just imagining things

[viral tendon]

Time to make 3 billion power plants

[foggy heart]

why does the alien power augmenter have an input?

[viral tendon]

It's for late game

[foggy heart]

ah

[viral tendon]

You can boost it to 30% ith some late game item

[viral tendon]

Alien power matrix

It's phase 5

Tier 9

[silk ocean]

Do you think there will be plans to include a Factorio-style logistics network in the future? Drones that bring items to you, etc

[viral tendon]

We already have drones

[silk ocean]

Yea as in drones that actually bring stacks from storage directly to you

[reef basin]

no, given we have dimensional depot

[silk ocean]

True, I have yet to experience that xD

[serene sonnet]

I'm having an internal debate, where I can't decide to begin nitrogen harvesting and production on my main save, or start up a free-build save with everything unlocked

[charred ruin]

how do i change the ammo type used by weapons? ive got some cluster nobelisks

but cant get the detonator to use them

[shy mulch]

hold down R

[charred ruin]

thanks

[minor rock]

def keep ur save 😄

[silk ocean]

If I had a power plant for every time I put a splitter the wrong way around, a merger instead of a splitter, a belt that isn't at perfect right angles, I'd also have 3 billion power plants xD

[serene sonnet]

Oh yeah 100%, I'm not ditching my main save lol

I plan to actually finish the game on that save

[minor rock]

idk i feel like the free build option is dull, but its up to you

[kind rose]

Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened 3 billion times

[silk ocean]

Strange that it's happend precisely 3 billion times indeed 😉

[viral tendon]

When you put splitter wrong for like 25 machinse just do it that way

[silk ocean]

"Well.. looks like the belt is gonna go right instead of left then" xD

[viral tendon]

15 uranium fuel rod manufacturers done, time to get beams for them and electromagnetic rods

[marble matrix]

hello is 1500 production of power enough to try to finish phase 2

[silk ocean]

Generally the more power you consume is resulting in either (or both) things getting done faster and/or less efficient factory. If you stay within the power budget it's usually just a matter of time

[marble matrix]

can i do another power generation other than coal on phase 1?

[silk ocean]

I think coal is pretty much your only option at that phase

But there is plenty of coal around the world at least

[shy mulch]

Just make as much power as you can with what you have available, there's no downside to making too much power really

[marble matrix]

ty

why does all iron nodes doesnt have the same iron per minute?

[silk ocean]

There are 3 types - Impure, Normal and Pure. Mk.1 miners produce 30, 60, 120 per min accordingly

[marble matrix]

ohh i see

ty. so thats what it means

[silk ocean]

Yea xD

[marble matrix]

i keep wondering why my other factory is faster

[silk ocean]

Make sure to use belts that can support the flow rate as well, they scale up as you progress through the phases too. e.g. no point having a miner doing 120/min if it's connected using a Mk.1 belt that can only carry 60/min

[foggy heart]

packaged liquid biofuel vs packaged fuel, which is better for the jetpack?

[minor rock]

i think biofuel last longer but package fuel has more lift

wiki/Packaged_Liquid_Biofuel

In 1.0, Packaged Liquid Biofuel provides the same jetpack lift as Packaged Fuel, but lasts for 2.5 times longer. This makes it the ideal choice for horizontal jetpack travel. It also allows the player to reach greater heights before unlocking fuels that provide stronger lift.

[foggy heart]

awesome

now how do i tell the jetpack to use that instead of the solid biofuel in my invent

[silk ocean]

In your inventory, mouse over the jetpack on your character, there is a little cog icon top right corner, there you can change fuel

[frail sleet]

liquid biofuel is goat and doesn't get fully replaced until ionized fuel at the end of the game - and even then, a few people still like to use LBF because it doesn't throw you around as much.

rocket fuel is a worthy swap or preference for some people in P4, though (it climbs FAST but doesn't sustain or hover nearly as long)

tl;dr LBF hovers, rocket fuel climbs, ionized does both almost as well

[viral tendon]

I really miss those little talks between ada and some alien when collecting sloops and spheres

[viral tendon]

Who even uses ionezed fuel

That is so unnecseary

[frail sleet]

people who finished or are about to finish the game 😄

[viral tendon]

Does it like make you a rocket or what

Like flying fast or what

[frail sleet]

It's most of rocket fuel's climb power with most of liquid biofuel's duration

[viral tendon]

Eh

I'd rather use hoverpack

By the point you can afford ionized fuel you alr have power poles everywhere

[shy mulch]

I use it 😛

[viral tendon]

Cool

If it's better than hoverpack for you then use it

[frail sleet]

hoverpacking between your bases or to climb hills is very slow 😛

[viral tendon]

Ye hills can be annoying ngl

Everything else is fine for me

[shy mulch]

I do have power poles everywhere, and use hoverpack when moving around my factories. But for moving elsewhere, ionized fuel is the goat

[viral tendon]

I use lbf when there's no poles

Didn't unlock rocket and ion fuel

[frail sleet]

it has a longer flight time than LBF and 5x the thrust

[viral tendon]

I'm fine without making a whole ass factory just for fuel

I made enough lbf for my lifetime

[frail sleet]

sure but i would counter that it's pretty easy to take like 3% of the powerplant that you built anyway and use it for jetpack

you cant skip building power

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch jetpack

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[silk ocean]

I have uses for both the hoverpack and jetpack - depends on the job in hand. The jetpack is useful for moving around quickly (and hypercannons)

[cursive crane]

Wiki down?

[shy mulch]

I make an absolutely obscene amount of rocket fuel. I have one small line of it feeding off into a separate production that upgrades it to ionized and packages it and feeds it into depot, so I can use that for the jetpack. I don't need to think about it at all

[viral tendon]

You can still press spacebar a few times before landing with hoverpack even if there's no power

[silk ocean]

True

[viral tendon]

I use hoverpack everywhere because it's very stable, you just press shift and w

[silk ocean]

Jetpack gives you directional control in flight from a cannon tho

[viral tendon]

I'll just swap to jetpack

[minor rock]

nah you need to bind jump key to z x , and stream like in osu at 160 bpm, you achieve stable lift with jetpack

[viral tendon]

I FLEW 2500 METERS JUST TO GET 300 SULFURS WHEN I NEED 360

Fuck my ass game

Like what do i do

[cursive crane]

Always fill your inventory

A l w a y s

[viral tendon]

I meant it's impure node

[silk ocean]

Build a shopping mall xD

[viral tendon]

It only got 300/m

[cursive crane]

Overclock?

[viral tendon]

I need 360/m

[viral tendon]

Yeah with overclock only 300

[cursive crane]

Oof

[viral tendon]

The fuckass node is impure

[tropic kelp]

Find a better one then

[viral tendon]

Okay idgaf i will just underclock the thing i need and sloop it

The refinery

[cursive crane]

You can check purity on the map when you scan btw

[tropic kelp]

This^

[viral tendon]

No i'm not doing that i will jsut another one

[viral tendon]

Next time i will do that

My dog is furious

[tropic kelp]

Should I use bolted, normal, or stitched reinforced plates

[viral tendon]

May i ask tf are bolted reinforced plates??

[foggy heart]

#screenshots I cant understand why the top has filled up entirely but the bottom is struggling? they're just mirrored?

[tropic kelp]

The alt recipe which requires more of each inputs

[viral tendon]

Give them some time they'll fill up, check if you're doing enough/m, if you are, check if they get enough/m

[viral tendon]

I mean if it's the same resources but more output do it, use steel screws tho

[foggy heart]

this thing has been running for about an hour

got the right input amount as well

[viral tendon]

Check for inputs and outputs

[tropic kelp]

It's more resources for more output, and I don't have access to steel

[viral tendon]

Just run through the whole system

[tropic kelp]

Also I've been told to avoid screw recipes

[viral tendon]

If you get steel screws they're not that bad

If you want to avoid them THAT much, then avoid them

[tropic kelp]

I don't have access to steel

[viral tendon]

How

[tropic kelp]

Maybe because I don't have it unlocked yet?????

[viral tendon]

Oh yikes

Say you don't have the recipe bro

[foggy heart]

this is the start of the system xD 270 caterium going to 6 smelters for 90 ingots pm, 90 ingots going to 8 constructors (2 of which at 75%, top left and bottom left)

[hard ivy]

You can't completely avoid screws until you have steel

You need them at least for rotors

[reef basin]

nah they are fine

[reef basin]

alternate recipe that makes RIPs

[ripe basin]

Screws! They are everywhere!
(C) KIbitz when satisfactory+

[viral tendon]

That make rest in peace's?

[tropic kelp]

YEAH!

[reef basin]

reinforced iron plates

[tropic kelp]

So completely disregard the advice about screws, okay

[viral tendon]

When u unlock steel screws don't avoid them

Everything will be good

[ripe basin]

They take up way too much space on conveyors

[viral tendon]

#screenshots message Look at that particle accelerator it's so big

[ripe basin]

And you need a shitton of them

[charred ruin]

Just a question

Does the game only have one ending or multiple? I dont wanna know what they are, just how many

[hard ivy]

Especially greeny's

[ripe basin]

1

[viral tendon]

Well you unlock steel when you get better belts

Just use separte ones

[tropic kelp]

So I should use the stitched plate recipe for now?

[viral tendon]

more than zero less than 2

[ripe basin]

So it can be 1.5?

[viral tendon]

Ye

0.5 is ficsit elimates us because it took 50 years to complete project assembly

[hard ivy]

I'm not gonna tell you what you should do, but I would use stitched plate + iron wire at least until oil, if not the end of the game

[tropic kelp]

We got 0.000000009 to 1.99999999999999 endings

[tropic kelp]

that's exactly what I was planning to do, thx.

[ripe basin]

https://tenor.com/view/both-both-both-is-good-tf2-tf2-memes-pootis-engaged-gif-14259018241066600790

[viral tendon]

I love mk 6 belts they look so clean, mk 5 ones also look good because of how big they are

[reef basin]

use whichever recipe you find most interesting/useful to use

[ripe basin]

- Both?
- Both.
- Both is good

[ripe basin]

But i think caterium wire is better

[reef basin]

KYO's point of view is pure resource efficiency based on semi-subjective resource weighting. While it's a completely valid point of view, it's definitely not the only one and there's more than one ways to play the game

[ripe basin]

Yes i have an opinion

[hard ivy]

It's not really subjective weighing when there's only 1 resource to use for now

[viral tendon]

Do you know meg griffin

[tropic kelp]

I R O N

[ripe basin]

No

[viral tendon]

Why not

[ripe basin]

I dont watch griffins

[shy mulch]

People who don't watch Family Guy aren't real people

[viral tendon]

So do you know who is meg griffin

[ripe basin]

We dont have 2x2 on our tv

[reef basin]

I was talking more in general, but even with RIPs you can already have like 3-4 raw resources to make it

[shy mulch]

2x2 ?

[ripe basin]

And I dont have a working tv

[viral tendon]

That's russian channel on TV

[ripe basin]

The tv channel yes

[steady glade]

is it possible to place barriers at a 45 degree angle?

[shy mulch]

Never heard of it

[viral tendon]

That shows family guy and other cartoons like simpons family guy etc.

[viral tendon]

Because it's russian

😭??

[shy mulch]

Makes sense, but why is that relevant to Family Guy

[viral tendon]

They show cartoons from us like simspons family guy

Also anime sometimes

[ripe basin]

If i cant watch it i cant watch it

[viral tendon]

Watch it on website 😭???

[ripe basin]

And why should i do that

[viral tendon]

Because it's cool tv show

I weathced every single episode of it

[ripe basin]

Im not interested in tv shows

[viral tendon]

Skill issue

[ripe basin]

Shut

The fuck

Up

[viral tendon]

Stfu is not trending we use sfym

[hard ivy]

The only TV show I've ever watched was The Flash when I was like 13

[shy mulch]

TV is life

[ripe basin]

I dont care

[shy mulch]

You seem unhappy. Have you tried being not unhappy?

[reef basin]

TV is a thing that catches dust and is sometimes useful to watch youtube on bigger screen, otherwise pointless piece of furniture

[viral tendon]

Do you know what nationality meg griffin is at the current moment of season 23 episode 18?

[shy mulch]

I'm sure I could google it, but not off the top of my head lol

[viral tendon]

Wish i had tv in my room, it's easier to fall asleep when something is playing

[reef basin]

that's what phone is for

[viral tendon]

Are we deadass 😭

[hard ivy]

Skill issue

[viral tendon]

And it's playing for the whole night and wakes up the whole house

[shy mulch]

If you want a TV get a TV

[reef basin]

that's what headphones are for

(and once youtube video stops, it doesn't play anymore anyway)

[shy mulch]

that's what your own house is for 😄

[viral tendon]

I'm like not keeping my phone running wfor the whole night

[ripe basin]

How did we get from screws to tv

[reef basin]

it won't be whole night

[shy mulch]

TVs require screws to build

[viral tendon]

When i'm on youtube the phone doesn't shut off automatically cuz i t think i'm skill watching

[viral tendon]

So what's your answer

[reef basin]

once the video ends it does

[shy mulch]

I didn't google it

[viral tendon]

Then guess

[hard ivy]

They didn't unlock the alt yet

[shy mulch]

mine autoplays until the battery is low

[viral tendon]

Mine doesn't iirc, if it does cool

[reef basin]

disable autoplay, it's a shit thing anyway 😄

[hard ivy]

Turn off autoplay??

[shy mulch]

I like autoplay, I sit and watch absolute garbage for hours

[ripe basin]

Mine wont play any videos on youtube because of the roskomnadzor

[tropic kelp]

What are y'all's opinions on stingers

[shy mulch]

I'm pro-stinger

[viral tendon]

Stingers are cute with arachnophobic mode and passive enemies

[tropic kelp]

Stingers are weak yet creepy as hell

[viral tendon]

Stingers are just like Petah Grifhin

They're cute when they don't terrorize you

[tropic kelp]

Did watching too many family guy shorts get to you or something?

[viral tendon]

No i watched the whole show in month and a half

I really liked it

[tropic kelp]

I think they're brain rotted

[viral tendon]

Except the meg episodes

[viral tendon]

Who

Meg episodes?

[tropic kelp]

The whole thing

[viral tendon]

It was alright

Episdoes with multi verse or time travel are the best

[shy mulch]

Rick n Morty then

[viral tendon]

Encased uranium cells are done time to make encased industrial beams

[tropic kelp]

The BEAMS

[viral tendon]

Yeah ik episodes with stewie and brian time travveling hit different

[viral tendon]

Reddit humour 💔 🥀

[viral tendon]

Also multi verse travel episodes is rated like 8.8 or a lil more

[tropic kelp]

how dare you

[viral tendon]

How am i wrong

What the fuck is signalice

[tropic kelp]

Imkibitz is the reason why you're wrong.

[viral tendon]

Guys shout out to all 3 cleveland show fans

[tropic kelp]

All I'm getting is results for something called Signalis (DAMN YOU AUTOCORRECT)

[viral tendon]

13.2 encased industrial beams/m needed

Yikesy yike yikes

[tropic kelp]

It's called Signalis

[viral tendon]

Shot out to all 1.5 signalic fans out here

Peak

[shy mulch]

I type Signalice and it only finds Signalis, is that right or wrong?

[mortal ginkgo]

someone in twitch called that game "lesbian flesh horror game"

[mortal ginkgo]

yes thats what he is trying to say

[viral tendon]

Is that true?

[mortal ginkgo]

not really nope. I would call it "very close friendship after being together so long"

[shy mulch]

Just looking at the screenshots and description, doesn't feel like a good fit for me

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean I dont know how you got 800 hours in a horror game but I ain't judge

[viral tendon]

Rainbow six siege is one hell of a horror game and i got 1200

[tropic kelp]

Nah I won't think I will, also why are you avoiding replying like the plague.

[harsh flicker]

hey what are some good pc specs to run this game at high graphics with like 120 fps?

[mortal ginkgo]

pvp games are all horror games, I agree 🙂‍↕️

[viral tendon]

It's fps but trust me it's a horror game

Good thing you know

[tropic kelp]

Also unreal leon I misread your "DSP" tag as "DSB" lol

[viral tendon]

Later in the game you will need real good pc, but early game like average

8 gb of vram on gpu atleast

[tropic kelp]

Seems like the pressure is getting to me

[minor rock]

3080 with a 12600k at 1440p does pretty well, probably im cpu limited in end game, but my factories have been dense. frame gen helps

[shy mulch]

I'm on a RTX 4070 and if I run only the game then it's 100% fine at max settings, but I have a bad habit of having 8375 chrome tabs open and netflix and discord and everything else all running on other screens at the same time, and I do get a bit of weird effects sometimes

[harsh flicker]

I also run other tabs lol. Like to blast hiphop while watching stuff move

[viral tendon]

I have 4060 and fuckass bad cpu, it's not bad bt it's just not for gaming, i hope when i'll upgrade to 5 7500 everything will work

[minor rock]

what ram are u running ?

[viral tendon]

It's giving 70 fps on high settings but i still need to upgrade

[minor rock]

its probably paging a lot, hopefully not the game

[shy mulch]

only 16

[harsh flicker]

Are we allowed to talk about duplication glitches?

[viral tendon]

Ion think ram is ding a lot in this game

[minor rock]

i have 32 and paging off, 🫡

[viral tendon]

I have 32 gigs and the game is running not as good

[harsh flicker]

Same. But I want MOREEEE

[viral tendon]

Will soon probably upgrade to 40 gigs but sadly 2400 mhz due to motherboard

[minor rock]

havent run into needing more yet tbh

[viral tendon]

I def. need to upgrade...

[minor rock]

but ddr5 is cheap so whenever that happen it be 64

[viral tendon]

ddr5 is NOT cheap

[shy mulch]

20 years ago I paid a lot of attention to hardware, but not any more, I just buy a box and plug it in and it does things

[frail sleet]

9800x3d (it's like 30% faster than 7800x3d, and nothing else competes with em). Manual RAM OC if you can handle it (10-20%+ perf gains)

[viral tendon]

If you can afford 9800x3d just buy 9950x3d atp

[minor rock]

idk ram price has plummeted since ddr4 release

[harsh flicker]

Yah me neither. I built my pc over 2 years ago and have gotten close with Minecraft and mods and tabs and discord and still only ever peaked at like 21g of ram.

[minor rock]

50% headroom, its not even close xD

[frail sleet]

Satisfactory doesn't benefit from 2 CCD's, so you get the best performance on 9950x3d by turning a CCD off, in which case it's basically a more expensive 9800x3d. I've tested this

[harsh flicker]

Are you from the pcmr server????

[minor rock]

i went 16->32 bc i desperately needed it

[frail sleet]

I'm usually in r/overclocking etc 😛

[viral tendon]

Isn't 9950 like 150$ more expensive than 9800?

[minor rock]

its about 50% more where i live

[frail sleet]

Yes, which is a lot to spend if it's not actually better at the thing that you care about.

On zen4 there was a higher clock limit on the 950, but on zen5 there is basically no benefit and my friend has a 9800x3d with the same silicon quality as my 9950x3d.

[viral tendon]

Yeah i checked on amaxon it's like 140 more but it's 2x the performance

[harsh flicker]

Ahhh, cause earlier today I was in their discord server asking about that cpu and they yelling at me to get a cheaper motherboard. I conceded.

[minor rock]

the cores dont scale linearly, the extra cores aren't 3d vcache

[frail sleet]

It's 2x the performance in some nT workloads, it's the same performance in Satisfactory (and LESS performance if you don't configure it properly, which many people don't fully understand)

[viral tendon]

Who tf even buys that expensive cpu for satisfactory

[minor rock]

i thought they solved the ccd problems

[frail sleet]

i do

[minor rock]

tbh im waiting for zen 12 core ccd since i dont need a fast cpu atm

[viral tendon]

Why does 5 5600 x3d exist

[harsh flicker]

I spend 1k on a vr setup just to play bonelabs. It hurt but it’s addictive

[frail sleet]

Nah not at all. Inter-ccd latency and bandwidth is still essentially unchanged since 2019.

Performance impacts of using cores on different CCD's are actually even worse with vcache, because you're relying more on cache hits that can't happen on the other CCD.

[viral tendon]

I don't even haev a vr headset bro

It's like too expensive

[minor rock]

i meant, i thought the scheduler will only run the game on the ccd with vcache

i thought the need to disable one ccd was essentially eliminated in the 9 series

[frail sleet]

For the most part yes, but it doesn't work flawlessly. Satisfactory loads the CPU heavily enough to break it, and spread the load onto 2 CCD's even though it reduces performance to do so.

Even if it does work, on the 2CCD parts you get a memory latency penalty if both CCD's are enabled which results in a few % performance loss.

All in all for this game the 950x is more money for the same or less performance.

What does matter is OCing. RAM OC is big for Satisfactory, and a motherboard that supports async eclk can get often 2-6% more performance via CCD clock.

[harsh flicker]

It’s worth it if you’re into that type of thing. But currently don’t worry about feeling rushed into the space. The pc restrictions and the vr compatibility and games and very limited.

[minor rock]

apparently there is technology for fibre interconnects within a chip idk if we'll ever see that

[lost wagon]

It's 5700

[viral tendon]

Yeah ik it's worthg it it costs too much

It's not the is it worth it, it's about the price

If you're not in the land of freedom this shit costs A LOT

[lost wagon]

And because they stopped making 5800x3d and they still had not fully functional 5800x3d chips around, so they made 5700 with them

[shy mulch]

I bought one last year and it's still in the box, was just on a random whim but I have no motivation to use it

[viral tendon]

Can you like ship it to me

I would really appreciate that

[harsh flicker]

What you should do is save up over the next like 5 years. Then drop a few fat bands to get the best of the best shii and by then vr will be better than ever or none existent in which case you just buy a better pc and goat out your setup.

[shy mulch]

Can do it cheap lol, you in the uk?

[viral tendon]

No but i'm real close to uk

[shy mulch]

I don't even know what it is

[viral tendon]

I'm in europe

[shy mulch]

One sec I will look, I don't even know anything about the compatibility of these things

[viral tendon]

In my coutnry i'm not even making a few bands a year

[harsh flicker]

Damn, mb. My ameribrain just assumes.

[minor rock]

i could do that right now but the spark for gaming is dulled a lot, wouldve been nice to have a 4090 while that lasted

[viral tendon]

Like maybe 3000$ a year but like no

Ofc in us it's ewasy to get one

You're making 4k$ A MONTH

[harsh flicker]

More than my unemployed ass is

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/6iODAz7.png labeled lategame - that was p4 on my actual world

[harsh flicker]

Brother if I was making 4k a month I’d buy you a pc and ship it to you myself.

[viral tendon]

I mean the average paycheck a month is like this

[minor rock]

4k is not that much after tax xD

[viral tendon]

Yeah yip yap the avreage pay check a month in my country is 600$

[harsh flicker]

I forget about tax ngl. My friends from Europe say it gets done for them so they never think about it

[harsh flicker]

What country?

[viral tendon]

I'd rather to keep it in confidence because i might get destroyed and get death threats

[harsh flicker]

All g homie

[viral tendon]

Also a little tips to kill myself probably

I really don't need that right now

[harsh flicker]

What do you live in Israel????

[shy mulch]

@viral tendon ive posted in #off-topic-tech

[viral tendon]

Nope

I'm in europe

[harsh flicker]

We are all on earth my friend ❤️

What games you play

[proven canyon]

just joined, that is the most clever way to ward off bots lmao

[ripe basin]

What?

[harsh flicker]

That’s what I’m wondering

[viral tendon]

Mostly satisfactory rn cuz i'm fucking addicted

Only satisfactory i meant to say

[proven canyon]

the "entrance exam"

[ripe basin]

Huh

[harsh flicker]

lol pretty much same. Though because I also like having other stuff open I wanna get some gear upgrades

[viral tendon]

I love r6s, cyberpunk, other story games

If i had vr i'd play hitman vr

And probably some bone lab

[harsh flicker]

Sad that the 40 and 50 series is still more than all parts of a computer put together not even on a budget

[proven canyon]

when you join the server it does a "are you a real human" check that i thought was clever

[nocturne flint]

He or she is right

[ripe basin]

Funny

[viral tendon]

Like gpus?

[harsh flicker]

R6 is fun sometimes. I love breaking the like basic rules of holding angles and just no brain all aim corners. People forget you can shoot through walls sometimes

[harsh flicker]

Mhm

[minor rock]

how much can you readily buy a 5090 for in the US right now ?

[viral tendon]

I have 4060 rn and like bad cpu

[minor rock]

or are u not us

[viral tendon]

4060 is so peak

[harsh flicker]

3400 usd

[viral tendon]

Yeah that's a lot

[minor rock]

thats pre tax right ?

[harsh flicker]

That’s being conservative and pretax

It’s more like 3600k

[viral tendon]

4060 is covering my basic needs, it was 3060 or 4060 so the choice was pretty obv

[minor rock]

2,630 USD after taxes and so on in AU , that's nuts

[viral tendon]

Damn 3 million is a lot

[harsh flicker]

It makes me wonder if saving for a 4090 is worth the like longevity.

[nocturne flint]

Me with GTX 1050 Ti

[proven canyon]

about 3100$ USD

[viral tendon]

Guys did you know that geforce 210 is ONLY 99.7% apart from 5090?

[minor rock]

idk you buy 2 80 series cards for the same price and sell both

vs buying a 90 series and selling it

[harsh flicker]

Rip dlss

[proven canyon]

rip SLI

[viral tendon]

Well 4060 is only 50% apart

Dlss is good if you have like 60-70 fps on basics

[harsh flicker]

I have a 3080 and I love her but she can’t do everything I want to do and that’s ok but she’s still awesome.

[viral tendon]

Because if you have 40 fps it's hell to play

[minor rock]

same, they have 5090's in stock across the road, for 2500, but it's fine 🤷‍♂️ it's a rabbit hole, i'd have to be with a 4k oled panel that gets replaced every 3-4 yrs lol

[harsh flicker]

Exactly I don’t see the point in having a 360 hz monitor if I can’t hit at least 120 on heavy games like late satisfactory or like bo6

[viral tendon]

It's crazy to think that on directX 10 5090 got 227 fps, but geforce 210 on the other hand

Got a whole

1 fps

[viral tendon]

I have 144 hz monitor i physically can't stand 60 fps

[harsh flicker]

Yah I have been looking into 1440p oleds and I wanna get one and play high quality games but I also don’t wanna have to replace it like that.

[proven canyon]

Elden ring makes me so mad that it's capped at 60

[viral tendon]

I'm too poor to have elden ring

[harsh flicker]

60 vs 120 is like walking next to a race car.

[minor rock]

those were cheapish from lg , 400 usd delivered, i cancelled my order though, id be go from ultrawide -> 16;9

[proven canyon]

?

[minor rock]

i think the text fringing will be bad

[viral tendon]

Hell even 60 fps and 80 fps is a big difference

[minor rock]

im sure the 4k 27" look amazing, but i like big screen