satisfactory

[lavish burrow]

Okay, but let me make one counterpoint: how would they know unless they try it?

[wicked nacelle]

You said "I'm going to vouch for the validity of trucks as a transport method." not "I like trucks". That's why I responded as such.

[lavish burrow]

That's really all i'm saying.

[wicked nacelle]

because people come here for recommendations and I try to steer them away from silly things. I also say "don't make a mall" and "don't make a megafactory" and "don't make trucks"

[lavish burrow]

...I'm assuming you mean "don't make a megafactory at the start of the game when you're still learning".

Well, in any case... I find that some things are more subjective than that.

But that's why I don't tell people to "don't make manifolds".

Silly as they may be, many people disagree.

On a slightly different note, there's a special place in my heart for using vehicles to retrieve miner output from the caves that happen to have nodes in them.

[wicked nacelle]

okay, so that makes sense. I do just belt them out for sure but that actually sounds fun. except for the "needs fuel" part

maybe I can drone them in some fuel 🙂

[lavish burrow]

I legitimately do this.

The fuel issue is the biggest thing holding them back, but drones can support transport hubs and more or less solve that issue.

The quartz nodes in the rocky desert cave also have coal on either of the two vehicle-accessible entrances, which can work.

[wicked nacelle]

the one with the sam?

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, that too. I forgot there was some in there.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah I have tacky belts pulling all that out for processing. but that coal is all being turned into pink diamonds for sure.

[lavish burrow]

Ironically, I actually used belts out of that cave for the first time in a while, recently.... but only because I was able to make them look nice with curved belts.

[wicked nacelle]

curved is nice. only just realized that it matters which way you pull them as to how they curve. was going left to right then right to left then left to right then right to left and came back and was very confused why my belts were drunk

[lavish burrow]

The different modes also slightly affect how an inclined belt will curve, interestingly.

Oh, but while it's on my mind... The thing that bugs me. It's on the west exit/entrance of that aformentioned cave.

[wicked nacelle]

ok

[lavish burrow]

There's the little beach with the added in 1.0 coal nodes. There is a long, steep slope to the south.

Belting things up slopes that are too long for a single belt.

Because unlike rails, belt connections are always level.

So you end up not being able to have a continuous incline. Bugs me so much.

[wicked nacelle]

I've got rail there because of the nitrogen that's just north of it

[lavish burrow]

I'm actually quite literally building rail up there for the same reason. But my rail is elevated and crossing over that beach.

I'm not super fond of building belts or rails on natural terrain.

[wicked nacelle]

ahh, I like my rail to follow the ground, in general. And then I have huge unsupported helixes for climbing cliffs 🙂

[lavish burrow]

I have... hmm. Let me get a screenshot.

Essentially, I want rails that are close enough to the ground that they can "follow" it, but not being at the mercy of the terrain's roughness.

But also can be high enough when needed to do interchanges and such.

I'm basically just super-undiagnosed-OCD with my rails, heh. Well, okay, my everything.

Of course, with that said, it also does make sense that trucks would be less appealing with grounded rails, given that... well, there aren't railroad crossing signals.

[wicked nacelle]

I have my second thermal rocket factory up there making 15/m (turns into 30 warp drives slooped) and then shipping them for warp driving conversion back at my starter factory

[lavish burrow]

The save I was playing recently (not SUPER recently, i'm intending to get back to it soonish) is earlier on. It's sort of... at that point where it has aluminum and is now getting nitrogen to do the stuff with that.

I actually like trucks in part because i'm so picky about my rails.

[wicked nacelle]

this is my first "whole map" save. Not using all of everything but using all of some things

[lavish burrow]

They let me fill transport niches that I can't use a railway for in a way that I like the asethetic of.

I tend to start fresh when i've been away from the game a long time, so i've built many large railway networks.

And lest I come across as a chronic restarter, to clarify, I tend to start fresh because I am actually in that 0.001% of players who actually has to manually raise the uobject limit.

[grizzled lotus]

In the few times I've played I haven't reached further than phase 3 or 4, but I've noticed that the end-stage of phase 2 is really difficult without utilizing the awesome shop.

It feels like the materials required require significantly more work than before, and a lot of things that make things easier are locked behind phase 3.

[wicked nacelle]

I don't use the shop but I do let the game run overnight - or I did before I knew how to to speed up time. now I just set it to 20x speed

[lavish burrow]

I recall having an issue with doing so at first (it had to do with the experimental versus main branch using different folders for that setting), and just about everyone who tried to help was just trying to explain to me that I "didn't need to worry about it" and didn't seem to get that I had already reached the limit and was crashing, lol.

[grizzled lotus]

how do you speed up time? is this in-game?

[fathom shuttle]

…

How?

[lavish burrow]

Chronomancy? How else?

Wait, you guys can do that, right?

[wicked nacelle]

no. There's a program called "cheat engine" and you just point it at satisfactory press the "enable speedhack" btuton and move a slider

[fathom shuttle]

Oh

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1392656579819601990/image.png?ex=68705402&is=686f0282&hm=e8eced20fad38805fbb17c170c90aef845b18441b9ddbabe8da6a0cfe96bcd7e&

[lavish burrow]

I have a far better method that accomplishes the same goal: getting constantly distracted and thus letting the game run while i'm staring into the distance thinking about Cactus Facts or something.

[wicked nacelle]

though.. I don't know why I have to run an old version 6.8.0 and enable speed hack and let it crash and then run the current version -- otherwise it's super laggy when I speed up time. But this way it's perfectly smooth.

[shy mulch]

That's also my method

[lavish burrow]

I have told this story many, many times, but only because it is worth telling. My ability to be distracted is practically an art form.

I had a veeeery old save, I believe it was back in 3.5 since ladders were new. I built a HMF factory in the area with the coal nodes near the grass plains start. I called it the Water Temple.

The reason for this was twofold: number one, the bottom floor was partially submerged just enough to make shallow water and I didn't care enough to rework the entire thing.

Number two, it was nigh impossible to navigate in a coherent and sensible manner. It was absolutely ridiculous.

For starters, that aforementioned bottom floor, I was experimenting with modular building styles, so numerous rooms looked identical, and finding the ladder that was the only way up was very awkward because of where it was positioned.

There was a room that could only be accessed by doing a tricky slide jump through a conveyor port, that I frequently looted EIBs from.

The roof was where the manufacturers were, and it was completely inaccessible from the building itself. You had to leave, go onto a nearby cliff, and jump from it to get onto the roof.

I made most of it while half asleep. And I discovered that the only way I could get around it in any sort of efficient manner was when I was just sort of running on autopilot.

I basically had to enter a state of satori in order to get from point A to B in there. Literally Buddhist-style navigational nirvana.

Such a glorious disaster of a build.

Nowadays I tend to plan out the organization of my builds a lot better, but the same sort of result happens because I end up going full Winchester Mystery House with them and end up with these labyrinthine buildings containing multiple, frequently unrelated production lines.

[grizzled lotus]

huh, I just entered another biome

didn't think it was this easy this early

it'st he starting point of the 3rd biome

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, the 2nd and 3rd starting positions are quite literally adjacent to each other, biome-wise.

They're no pun intended, borderline identical as starting positions as a result. Only real difference is where you want to actually start your builds in.

There's like... one alpha hog between the two of them that can be fairly easily circumnavigated, or my preference, driven over in a vehicle.

[unkempt blade]

gotta go right at the hog! free jetpack! free jetpack!

[unkempt blade]

organic growth the way nature intended!

[grizzled lotus]

yeah, I want to kill so I Can get teh hard drive

[fathom shuttle]

Man I’m really starting to hate trains now

[undone yarrow]

sad asdf kid

[fathom shuttle]

I need to rebuild every junction multiple time for the signals to work properly

And the rotate option on signals doesn’t work like bro wtf

I need to look at it at the perfect angle so that it snaps to the right direction

[feral jay]

It's a lot easier with the hoverpack

[fathom shuttle]

I’m using the hoverpack but signal sometimes just straight won’t snap

[feral jay]

I don't much bother with rails until I unlock it

[wicked nacelle]

anyone ever have their drone just... stop? I have one that's just floating here

half way between source and destination

[feral jay]

That sounds... odd

It must be your fault. You're fired.

[wicked nacelle]

going to reload then restart -- I do run that time multipler thing so maybe that's it

[fathom shuttle]

Now I’ll need to connect 10 belts of rubber and plastic to the train station

[void thorn]

I want this game but I only have a steam deck and I'm scared it sucks on steam deck

Really annoying me now lol

[fathom shuttle]

The controls are good

Idk about the perf, but it should run fine at 720p or whatever the resolution the steam deck is

[void thorn]

I'm just scared about end game performance

[strong pond]

is it possible for trains to load and unload items at the same station?

[feral jay]

I'd think they would be, they really took their time to make sure they got the controls right, it was obvious that controllers were factored into the design from the start, and they hired experts specific to that purpose

[fathom shuttle]

You just need to get used to the shortcuts that might not be obvious at first

[void thorn]

I just don't know how it will run and it's what scares me.

Controls I can figure out

or make

[fathom shuttle]

Just buy it rn and you’ll enjoy it plenty

[reef basin]

how it will run will depend on how will you build

[fathom shuttle]

Steam deck is above minimum spec I think

[void thorn]

True, I been eyeing this game for years now.

Mostly from the Lets game it out videos, probably cliche now

[reef basin]

I somehow stopped enjoying LGIO

it seems his videos have gotten worse or idk

[void thorn]

Felt more choatic over time

and he used to actually do cool stuff lol.

although not really bad I still love it, but I don't watch it anymore

[strong pond]

man ima bouta just alt + f4 my train line

😡

[fathom shuttle]

Maybe you just got bored just like I did, the “I put in 1000 hours into this stupid little thing” videos get exhausting after a while, just like the 100 days of x style videos

[reef basin]

no, I enjoy the earlier videos

[fathom shuttle]

Tho there are occasional funny videos he puts out

[reef basin]

it's the recent few years that kinda "suck"

[dense violet]

why not make a post in #1038092680493801533 instead?

[strong pond]

i did but i still wanna do it also have gotten no answers

[grizzled lotus]

welp. finally killed the hog but the pod it's guarding needs 120 mgw and I'm too far away from my base

how many biomass burners do I need for that?

[fathom shuttle]

4 I think

You can overclock them for less burners

[void thorn]

I think it was because of the context of what he does. In earlier videos you see him do something that takes long to give you a grasp of what hes doing then the strait cut to a insane amount more effort then what he did before

[versed mirage]

any1 got a smart plating design for like 120 iron per min

[grizzled lotus]

overclocking power generators makes them consume more materials, right?

[dense violet]

just like every system, no real difference https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=gJGYcnRD9S1Ja6gdW8JN

[fathom shuttle]

Yes

[dense violet]

effectively, if you OC anything except resource extractors, all it does is save space

[fluid sapphire]

At the cost of power

Lower clock speeds are more power efficient

[undone yarrow]

Power generators just save space

crafters use proportionally more power per production cycle (at max overclock it's like 33% more power than the same amount produced at 100%)

miners and such produce more resources up to your belt limit

[undone yarrow]

phase 1 alts only?

[void thorn]

Btw I decided to not get the game apologies entierly because I have Dyson Sphere Program and I'm not even close to finishing it. Once I do I will get the game though I just think I shouldn't ditch the game first

[grizzled lotus]

this is getting more confusing than I thought. So the effects of overclocking differ between power generators, resource extractors, and manufacturers

I know it always saves space, but is it always inefficient?

[undone yarrow]

power generators: are purely convenience, if you have shards may as well

crafters: its irl resources vs in game resources (fewer buildings are easier on the pc, and well... half as much time)

extractors: always over clock to your belt limit since its more resources

[lavish burrow]

okay timeout for a sec

[undone yarrow]

Water Extractors are kinda funny and fall more into the crafter group to me at least (water space is a lot more open)

[dense violet]

no

overclocking effects are basically the same

if you clock a thing to 200% they consume AND output 200%

Miners only consume power so that goes up a bit (and doesn't matter) and they out put 200% ore. Which is a significant difference as it changes what you can do in a location

Over clocking a generator to 200% also makes them consume 200% fuel and produce 200% power

and they don't consume any power themselves so that's not effected

it's the the mechanical effects to your game play is differetn

for Miners - you can't just spam more miners down
while constructors? yo ucan always place more constructors down

so if you OC a constructor, you are effectively, only saving space

[lavish burrow]

So I just want to make something clear, in case it's... not. Power generators used to not scale linearly with clock speed. That was changed. They now will, for example, a 200% speed generator is functionally equivalent to two 100% speed generators.

[dense violet]

at the cost of power (whic hdoesn't really matter)

[lavish burrow]

I'm just making sure that's been clarified.

[dense violet]

that was a very long time ago xD

[lavish burrow]

Yes, but not that long ago.

[dense violet]

...u4 I'm pretty sure

4-5 years?

[lavish burrow]

Nope, it was I think between u7 and u8? one of the two?

[feral jay]

u6 I think, I picked up the game in U5, and I remember that change breaking things

[dense violet]

I think at worst it might have been u5. But it was a LONG time ago

[undone yarrow]

It was u7 or so that they went fromt their whacky scaling to what it says on the tin scaling

[lavish burrow]

So here's the secret to power shard usage. I came in late so I apologize if I am completely wrong context.

[undone yarrow]

(i started around u7 and they had the whacky scaling)

[dense violet]

[hard ivy]

I mean the power consumption scaling is still wacky. log2(2.5)? Really?

[lavish burrow]

Clock speed essentially just changes the number of buildings required to do a thing.

[hard ivy]

They should've kept the 1.6 imo

[lavish burrow]

Increased power consumption? Well, that's also just more power generators.

[undone yarrow]

I'm talking about fuel generators and the like which ran at 2x speed at full OC in ye olde days

[lavish burrow]

Power shards have historically been seen as scarce by people who don't frequently maraud across the countryside, so the common mentality was to save them for extracting machines because those machines are fundamentally limited in nature because of the limited number of nodes you can place them on.

[undone yarrow]

While true, theres only so much power in the world one could produce

but yeah... to a fair number of people, once you hit fuel generators, its so easy to meet demands it doesnt really matter

[unkempt blade]

I OC every third structure because I like variety

[soft thunder]

Started a new game and in the drop pod the screen is black rather than showing the little intro. Anyone familiar with a fix?

[lavish burrow]

And yet, I would still vastly prefer using 72 shards to build only 36 generators instead of 72.

[hard ivy]

Full OC consumes only 34% more power per item. For 60% fewer machines, that's basically nothing
If you have the shards, I don't see a reason not to overclock

[lavish burrow]

My approach to clock speed is that I will adjust it in order to create a total number of buildings that happens to be, say, a powerful number.

[undone yarrow]

so 69 buildings, got it

[lavish burrow]

No. Although powerful numbers aren't strictly speaking exactly what I mean.

Math is basically a long list of concepts I understand but don't know the actual term for.

[unkempt blade]

close, 420 buildings underclocked to 69%

[dense violet]

even?

[lavish burrow]

But to simplify: numbers that can be reached through multiplying 1 by only the numbers 2 or 3.

[undone yarrow]

o.o

[lavish burrow]

To clarify, that isn't what a powerful number is.

[unkempt blade]

so like 7?

[grizzled lotus]

that makes sense. so it sounds overclocking is generally a good thing, and it's almsot always better to overclock than it is to build another machine

[lavish burrow]

I'm going to assume you're joking and ignore this.

[hard ivy]

Antiprimes are pretty convenient

[unkempt blade]

math is fun-damental

[lavish burrow]

Antiprime? Is that the actual term for what I want?

[dense violet]

unless you're short on power, but power is kinda trivial in this game

it's definitely good to OC miners and such as if you need more resources it'll save you from importing stuff which can be annoying

as for space? if you have the shards? why not. But you don't get infinite shards till much later

[grizzled lotus]

true. I found overclocking miners especially are game changers

[lavish burrow]

Okay, i'm, going to post something in screenshots that should at the very least explain why this is so goddamn impossible to use the right terminology for.

[dense violet]

I think the way the game is, you tend to need more resources for 'average' projects in a location yeah

[grizzled lotus]

power I agree, but in my lst run it only became trivial when I got oil generators (I never got far in this game). atm struggling with coal generators

biomass was a headache until I got coal, then coal became a headache. I think oil and fuel generators are a big relief

[dense violet]

anti prime would be almost every number

but for example you can still have a number multipled by 2 and get a prime.

3.5 x 2 = 7 for example

[lavish burrow]

Like, how the hell am I supposed to make a comprehensible explanation when the actual terminology is this nightmare hell

[undone yarrow]

Miners and such: Always (to your current belt limit)

crafters and water extractors: Personal preference of more buildings or more power.

power generators: if you got the shards theres no downside.

[dense violet]

I stick to coal gens until tier 7 xD make 64 of the bastards

[lavish burrow]

I usually skip coal generators completely.

Mostly because I discovered I could.

[dense violet]

that sounds like a real pain

[lavish burrow]

It's actually not, at least with my playstyle.

It's based on the fact that, since they're MAM research, if you know which crash sites to visit, you can unlock geothermal way earlier than you're "supposed" to.

[hard ivy]

Antiprimes (or rather, highly composite numbers) are something very specific in math, and not quite what I (or probably you) want. If used loosely, the term would mean a number with many divisors, which is convenient building, because it means that this number of buildings can be split into equal rows and columns in many different ways

[hard ivy]

What you described here is technically called a 3-smooth number

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, wikipedia redirected to highly composite number. Which is...

Ah, well, I guess it's only inevitable that the correct term would be one that would be entirely meaningless to the people I would want to explain the concept to...

Such is maths.

But the point of it is to make it so the number of buildings I need are possible to split the inputs for using only basic two or three way splits.

I have no issues making prime splitter arrays. Did a 10/13ths splitter once because I could. Was actually pretty fun, for some reason.

[hard ivy]

So you balance all your machines? Don't see any other reason why you'd want that

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, basically. If I can turn 1774% worth of total required clockspeed for the production I need, into 16 buildings at whatever clock speed is equivalent to that (not going to actually find a real example right now), that's ideal to me.

[dense violet]

that's a very odd aim to go for.

[lavish burrow]

Was that meant to be @ something or someone else?

[dense violet]

the highly composite number thing

[lavish burrow]

I don't think I understand what you mean, then.

[dense violet]

the goal of having sets of machines that are only highly composite

[lavish burrow]

I don't. I looked up antiprime to see if it was what I meant.

It was something that was close but not quite, similar to powerful numbers.

[hard ivy]

Yeah, no, I don't bother. Excluding the very last step, which is clocked exactly, everything is just rounded up and left at 100% clock speed. Thanks to the bottleneck provided by the last set of machines, everything else will just figure itself out as long as I just build enough. Saves me from having to do math for every single step

[ivory condor]

Why I like manifolds

[lavish burrow]

Sure, sure, I get that some people aren't up to the challenge. I am being facetious. It's okay, that's why the game is designed to let everyone play how they want. I am being ENTIRELY facetious.

[ivory condor]

As long as the average coverages to what I want, it all works

[undone yarrow]

Highly composite number would be something like 12 which is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 12

[lavish burrow]

But in seriousness, I like designing factories in ways that let belts always be in motion.

I like that flow of items. So I do what helps enable that.

[undone yarrow]

awesome sink+smart splitter set to overflow go brr

[ivory condor]

I used to balancing but then realized why bother when manifolds reaches the same goal anyways and it's more compact

[dense violet]

main belt or feed belts too? if just main belt, any manifold will do. Otherwise gotta load balance

or direct feed I guess

[hard ivy]

Balancer vs manifold doesn't really have anything to do with this. This is just a clocking strategy. Both will work the same

[feral jay]

Sure, sure, I get that you can play the game however you want. But if you're not playing my way, you're playing the wrong way.

[ivory condor]

True

[lavish burrow]

'cause manifolds do have some flaws. I'm not going to get into them because I don't want this to inevitably spiral into the same argument it always does.

[dense violet]

did you not see the pure ingot set up I put in? was still good after a few hours :\

[undone yarrow]

Once theyre fully spooled up... I see no difference

I suppose for "belts always in motion" it might be different

[ivory condor]

The only right way to play is the lgio way

[hard ivy]

Also, to be clear, I don't balance individual machines, that's pointless. I balance belts whenever I need more than one. Saves me from having to do math.

Once again, my strategy is "least effort" lol

[lavish burrow]

I did, but I noticed that you had overclocked them, which changes the parameters of the build I was referring to- and honestly, I didn't want to keep having you test stuff on my behalf for something i'm trying to just stop caring about since it wasn't doing me any good.

[dense violet]

I can .. not over clocking? but over clocking should make the issue you're talking about worse

[lavish burrow]

No, underclocking would.

[ivory condor]

Flaws, besides rampup time, there is none, but that's always been a known flaw of manifolds

[lavish burrow]

Because the issue is compounded by having more total mergers in a row merging onto the same main belt.

[hard ivy]

How is that an issue?

[undone yarrow]

confusion watching

[lavish burrow]

It's a separate thing than what we're discussing.

[ivory condor]

But I dont even think about that, because manifolds saves me from so much math with load balancing, because it all naturally balances itself

Why I like manifolds, its a sort of self balancing design itself

[foggy heart]

Question for the math heads in here:
Im producing 810 steel ingots per min, I need 840.
I have 12 foundries set to 112.5% with the solid steel ingot recipe.
I can get my 810 to 840 by setting them to 116.6667%, but then they need 46.667 iron ingots per min, instead of 45 per min. That then means I need to set my smelters to 101.3333% to produce 30.4 instead of 30 per min. The whole system is load balanced in a highly convoluted manner (dont ask why instead of just using a manifold - cant be bother to change the whole factory)

I want to build 4 separate factories with my steel ingots:
30 Steel beams (120 ingots)
40 Steel pipes (60)
15 Encased industrial beams (180)
20 Versatile framework (480)

So my question is, is it worth it to O/C each of my 14 smelters by 1.3%, and then have to boost all the miners as well, or would it not make much of a difference as the deficit will be spread across 4 separate factories?

And then next question, if I keep the foundries at 112.5%(Option A), they each produce 67.5 ingots pm, if I push them up to 116.6667%(Option B) they will produce 70pm.
Option A will give me 3 lines of 270
Option B can give me 7 lines of 120, or 3 lines of 240 and 1 line of 120
Whats the best way to split Option A's lines between the 4 factories?

Sorry for the long message, been stuck on this for a while and just want soime insight

TIA

[lavish burrow]

I'll just summarize this with my own explanation: my building style doesn't really benefit from the "extendable" nature of manifolds, and I am good at quickly figuring out how to set up even complex splits. So that's why I don't manifold things.

Well, I also just think they look dumb. Like, the manifold itself is unintelligent.

It also has a small ass.

[leaden ether]

You can just overclock a single smelter to reach your goal.

Saves on shards.

[lavish burrow]

Wait, is that question basically what we were just discussing?

[foggy heart]

Idk havent read the just but kinda looks like it xD

[ivory condor]

I think the balances I did were 5 way balancers but I stopped at that and dont even do those anymore either

[undone yarrow]

So... Aesthetics? which fair

[lavish burrow]

So I kinda skimmed because im a bit out-mathed, but I like option A.

[foggy heart]

Not with the way I've set up the balacing

[lavish burrow]

Because that gets you three belts at exactly the capacity a MK3 belt handles.

[ivory condor]

Now I just look upon all of my manifold factories, it all works

[foggy heart]

You seem like the perfect guy to help me split 3 270 lines into what I need lol

[undone yarrow]

are you using normal encased beams or encased pipes?.?

[lavish burrow]

Here's my secret tip for doing really complicated splits.

I don't have a name for it. "Throttle splitting" is sort of what I use.

I use smart splitters and specific tiers of belt to force a belt to have a precise quantity of items.

[foggy heart]

Normal beams, but i have a HD with the encased industrial pipe recipe. Have done the maths for that yet

[undone yarrow]

Encased Pipe is straight better per resource

[lavish burrow]

For instance, that 270/m? Let's say you need it to be 195/m. Throttle off a 60/m line, split the original belt in half, and merge half with that 60/m.

[hard ivy]

Plus you can use iron pipe and skip coal entirely

[ivory condor]

Oh that's i already use that in some of my factories

[lavish burrow]

NO

[foggy heart]

Wow

[lavish burrow]

We appear to be semi kindred spirits.

[hard ivy]

Whyever not?

[ivory condor]

Because some inputs I need specific amounts, in some cases I still do load balancing, where it makes sense to me

[lavish burrow]

There was this one really complex split I did that I wish I had save an example of.

[ivory condor]

Such as my nuclear waste processing plant, those lines need to be load balanced

[lavish burrow]

Mostly joking. I personally think the benefit of excluding coal isn't worth the sheer extra resource requirement of iron pipes. Just my opinion.

[foggy heart]

So again then with option A, I wont really feel the lack of that 30pm extra that I need?

[ivory condor]

I still use manifolds 99% of the time, there is just 1% times where i dont

[lavish burrow]

I think iron pipes work well when you don't need a lot of steel pipe in the first place.

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, I did say semi-kindred.

[hard ivy]

The 12h clock, as the name suggests, only goes up to hour 12. 30pm doesn't exist

[ivory condor]

Aka that nuclear waste really needs to be balanced, for obvious reasons, aka my world doesnt become a nuclear wasteland

[foggy heart]

wtf okay thanks

[undone yarrow]

To be exact: per 100 encased beams: Beams use 1200 steel and 600 concrete vs Pipes 900 steel and 500 concrete

while it requires more assemblers and more of whatever is making the steel component, it requires less total buildings and power because of the reduction in making the concrete and steel itself

[lavish burrow]

Okay, I can't find it, but the gist of it was that it was a very large scale HMF factory, and I was splitting steel pipes.

[foggy heart]

So again then with option A, I wont really feel the lack of that 30 _per minute_extra that I need?

[lavish burrow]

The actual quantity of steel pipe I was producing was a weird number that was higher than the max belt throughput and had a decimal.

[hard ivy]

Nah, a single stack of waste doesn't spread radiation that far. Same with rods in reactors. Only containers are capable of irradiating large areas

[lavish burrow]

But I was able to throttle off specific numbers for the other destinations the pipe was going to, so that the weird decimal ended up just being the remainder.

[lavish burrow]

Rods... can be kinda bad.

Not nearly as bad as actual long term waste storage, but it's at least "something that should be taken into consideration"-tier.

Also, just saying, EIBs? Default recipe, aluminum beams.

[gritty sleet]

So how does the zipline work when you're not grounded to anything, and the only thing it's touching is the powerline? Where is that current flowing to?

[lavish burrow]

Double check. Checkmate.

[hard ivy]

As long as you don't put your reactors literally in the middle of your frequently visited areas, it's totally fine

[ivory condor]

True but having all of nuclear plants backing up to max size of nuclear waste stacks wouldn't be a great time

[foggy heart]

So if I'm understanding this correctly, after the first splitter I'll have a line of 60 and 210, split the 210 to get 105, no wait, nah im lost

[ivory condor]

And alot of cleanup i would need to do

[lavish burrow]

Yeah, not putting reactors in the middle of a frequently visited area is the "taken into consideration" I mean.

It's also to avoid radioactive trucks driving around.

[lavish burrow]

okay, I did the math wrong.

But that's why the quick search (N) is a calculator!

wait, did I? yes. What I described would result in 165/m, not 195/m.

Oh, speaking of buildings and adjusting the number.

If I input the required total clock speed, and divide by any number, I can see exactly what clock speed to set those buildings at.

[undone yarrow]

Long as youre storing 5 filters or more per minute... unless the clicking annoys you, radiation is a non issue

[lavish burrow]

I'm not concerned about it being an issue. I just see it as an extra step I can take that is more satisfying to me.

Like... generally speaking, I also tend to not automate filters because i'm lazy in other ways, but I always try to design my nuclear setups so that they have as little ambient radiation as possible.

Not because it's actually a threat, but because it's the epitome of my design philosophy.

[edgy swift]

Damn.. I am still outlooking

[lavish burrow]

I take it as a point of pride that I can safely walk around most of my nuclear builds without a hazmat suit. (I don't, though, because there's no reason to not wear one.)

But I have... what, how many hours? Let me... remember where steam is

Bit more than 4.5k.

I've done everything a lot of times.

So I try to do things in different ways or challenge myself by avoiding certain things I otherwise "always" do, or aren't strictly needed.

[foggy heart]

great guy to learn from

thats impressive

[lavish burrow]

Or I design a production line based on a single "concept" that I want to use. Such as a specific aesthetic setpiece, or this one aluminum factory I did where I routed fluids everywhere with this complex and surprisingly functional system that used packagers and a static reserve of empty containers to belt things around while reusing those containers to grab waste water.

It would have actually worked even better with priority mergers, now that I think of it.

Another build i'm proud of isn't actually possible to do anymore, but it was a turbofuel power plant, back when fuel consumption was based on power consumption.

[undone yarrow]

that used to be a thing?

[foggy heart]

@lavish burrow How would you say I should get my steel beams from the north of DD where my steel factory to my main base south of DD where my modular frames are? I'm at phase 2 so no trains yet

[lavish burrow]

I actually set up a system where excess compacted coal from what wasn't needed, was made into steel ingots with the compacted steel alt, in order to make empty containers to sink the excess turbofuel.

[lavish burrow]

Well, normally i'd recommend considering a truck or tractor since you have coal at one of the spots. But dune desert is sort of... not really great for vehicles unless you actually build a road.

But then again, it depends on the precise locations. You might have a relatively non-dune-y route you could take.

[foggy heart]

I could actualy build a "road highway" and branch some factories off of that

[lavish burrow]

And I guess when I say recommend, I mean "that's what I would do"

[lavish burrow]

Give yourself more foundation room than you think you need for roads. Vehicle recording is also a bit of a learning curve.

[foggy heart]

#screenshots

[foggy heart]

think 3 wide will be enough? or more than that?

[lavish burrow]

More. You want to try to avoid the route colliding with itself, because vehicles have the useful advantage of being super easy to add more onto an existing route

[foggy heart]

surely 4 wide would be good? xD

[lavish burrow]

With that said, based on your screenshot... I'd say, you could probably use the natural terrain, but you'll want to test it a few times manually driving.

4 wide is probably fine.

[foggy heart]

yeah nah, drove it few times and its horrible with the explorer

[lavish burrow]

You may find that there are segments you can make less horrible with some foundation "smoothing"

Let me get an example I know I have on screenshots.

That particular cave entrance has a bit of a "ledge" that caused bouncing.

So I used foundation to avoid having to drive into it. And then I got distracted.

[foggy heart]

How do I fuel teh trucks? just plug a coal node into the truckstop right? nothing else needed?

[lavish burrow]

There's a fuel input port for truck stations. They will automatically supply to vehicles that pass through them.

[foggy heart]

sweet ty

[lavish burrow]

Also, be sure to set the stations to the proper loading/unloading state.

[foggy heart]

gonna give my brain a break from building factories for a bit. gonna build the road xD

[foggy heart]

gotcha

[lavish burrow]

That is the usual thing I forget to do.

Okay, i'm gonna go do another thing now. I'll probably wander back in here at some point and start rambling about something. See y'all then.

[foggy heart]

Thaks for all the help!

[feral jay]

Trying to get effeciency up to 100% map-wide, I'm still early enough in this save it should be doable

Up to around 92% currently

[foggy heart]

When downloading blueprints, should I download the .sbp or .sbpcfg or both or does it not matter?

[feral jay]

I think just the .sbp should be enough

Been a while though. The .sbpcfg is the metadata - the icon, category, subcategory, etc

[dense violet]

unless you count sinking stuff constantly as 100% efficiency it's much easier to do when you've unlocked eveyrhting

[feral jay]

Yeah, sinking all the excess so current usage == max usage

And therefore, all machines are running at 100%

[dense violet]

... then 100% efficiency should be trivial?

[feral jay]

Sure but I've never done it

I've usually hovered around 75%

[dense violet]

fair enough. Slapping a sink on everything is pretty easy

[feral jay]

Slapping a sink, plus actually tuning everything to run at 100%

[haughty flax]

finally got my 80 fuel gens caught up and running, producing 20GW, consuming 3GW, im good for power forever right

[dense violet]

...sure...

[feral jay]

Oh my sweet summer child...

[haughty flax]

[wicked nacelle]

if you quit playing now, then yeah. sure.

but later? A building can pull a GW if you want it to., I'm currently consuming 540GW and that's not nearly a max

[fathom shuttle]

24GW even

[remote wasp]

They should add gas compression to pipelines

Make pipes more exciting

[feral jay]

Sure, and heavier-than-air gases

[remote wasp]

I mean since you don’t need to worry about head lift you could have a machine that has multiple inputs and a single output at a higher pressure, like the big power towers

[leaden ether]

It might have been nice if they had replaced flow with pressure for gasses. So all pipes connected with a single gas would always be "full" but with varying pressure. And each machine consumed some of that pressure. So along with no "head pressure" There would be no situations where the gas is filling the pipes like a fluid like it does now. The pressure in all pipes would be the same but vary in it's entirety depending on the pressure sources and sinks.

[fathom shuttle]

Im like 200 Caterium ingot short so I need to get a drone for that little bit

[feral jay]

Afaik, there is a pressure mechanic, it's just hidden, and calculated entirely based on how full the pipe is

So, same difference

Don't quote me on that though

[leaden ether]

Not really you can actually watch each segment of pipeline fil up wioth gas just like fluid, they are mostly the same mechanics with a couple little differences. THey could have made their behavior completely independent.

[feral jay]

Yeah, just "50% full" just means "50% max pressure"

[leaden ether]

But unles you have REALL long pipelines, the pressure in every segment should "fill" at the exact same time.

[feral jay]

It's something like that, I was talking about it earlier today, I'd need to go digging to figure out wherre I think I remember that from

[fallow hollow]

Why cant i change my conveyer belt item frequency? its stuck at unlimited, i cant think of anything else that could be bottlenecking my 7800x3d this bad

i know theres a questions and help, but this seemed like a pretty small problem.

[tranquil hemlock]

I had dreams of Satisfactory resources and building roads and coal/oil power in the real world last night. It was very odd, and would be a very interesting but weird story if I recounted all I could remember, but that would be much longer than needed

[leaden ether]

Yeah I'm not sure what's up with that value. You can try turning down the render distance and quality of the belts though. Also might be able to change that value in the settings file by hand and see if that sticks and this is just a UI bug.

[fathom shuttle]

Bro there is this massive boulder blocking my underground logistic layer for my train station

But now comes the real challenge… how do I move 10 belts across like 300 without spaghetti

[wicked nacelle]

across 300 what?

[fathom shuttle]

Meters, it’s more like 500-600 tho and I need to take it up a big hill

Oh and some of my pipes are facing slosh issues…. 96% & 98% on the last refineries

Maybe because I just loaded it in

Hopefully

I made blueprints for the foundations and supports

Bp auto connect should make this a lot easier

But idk how I’ll do the lifts ngl

I relocated the pipe that was clipping

I think it should be better if I just space the lifts by like 1 or 2 meters

[foggy heart]

Not sure if this is a stupid question, havent used tractors yet. How many tractors would I need to transport 120 items/minute?

[feral jay]

Heavily depends on how far away the stations are and the stack size

The station will give you a readout of what the average throughput is, based on the last load delivered/picked up

[foggy heart]

well stack size is 200, and distance is from the northern point of dd to southern point of dd

[foggy heart]

ahh okay, and then i add more tractors if needed?

[feral jay]

yeah

[fathom shuttle]

Truck or tractor?

[foggy heart]

the small one

[dense violet]

maybe 1? but yeah very easy to add another vehicle

[feral jay]

I don't use trucks much so I'm not the dude to ask

[fathom shuttle]

A tractor can fit 4800 then

Takes 20 minutes to fill up with 120/min

[dense violet]

sounds like 1 would be more than enough

[foggy heart]

also, is it better to have 1 station dedicated to loading and 1 to unloading? so 2 stations per destination, or will 1 be fine?

[fathom shuttle]

I’d time the journey just in case

No actually I lied

A tractor would take 40 minutes to fill up

[dense violet]

well you need at least 1 station to load at the departure and 1 to receive? I'm not sure what you're asking tbh

[fathom shuttle]

So yea it’s definitely more than enough lol unless you’re going 5kmh

[fathom shuttle]

Maybe he wants to do something like unloading something, then loading something up to bring back to the base

I don’t think you can do that tho

[foggy heart]

well you can load and unload at the same station right, so im checking if its wise to do that or to just have 2 stations

oh wait

[dense violet]

I don't think yo ucan

I'm pretty sure only drones can do that

[foggy heart]

yeah nvm iim only wanting to items from base B to base A, not both ways

sweet thanks

[untold dune]

So I don’t see train block signals in my build menu. Can someone advise me on what I am missing?

I am on tier 8

[foggy heart]

wait also, how much fuel should i plug into the truck stop? 60 coal pm? for one tractor?

[stuck dagger]

Depends on how far the route is

imo overflow handling is more important for truck fuels

[dense violet]

pinged in screen shots. maybe you missed a tier unlock?

[dense violet]

way more than enough. You can check the wiki for burn rates

[untold dune]

I don’t have that. I had this tier prior to the block update

[dense violet]

go back ot the hub and check the tiers

[untold dune]

Is there a mod to move around the map faster?

[wicked nacelle]

Faster than hypertube cannons?

[untold dune]

The section in the tier is locked. I’ll unlock it. Thanks

[untold dune]

I’m using that flying device that runs on electricity

[feral jay]

A large number of the unlocks revolve around faster and better movement, it's a core game mechanic. Using a mod for that is kinda cheating yourself of that.

[dense violet]

use hyper tubes

[wicked nacelle]

Use hypertube cannons and a jet pack to fly across the map then hoverpack once you’re there. Or you just want to move faster within a factory?

[feral jay]

But, hey, your game, your rules.

[dense violet]

tubes are fast

[wicked nacelle]

Actual tube paths are slow to build. Canons get you anywhere and you can easily slap one down wherever you have power

[untold dune]

Move faster within a factory

[untold dune]

In a small area?

[wicked nacelle]

Dunno but searching for hoverpack speed is probably a good start

[feral jay]

Oh, not so much in a small area. For that, the blade runners make a big difference

That and the hoverpack, but that's a bit later

[wicked nacelle]

He said he has the hoverpack. He just wants a faster hoverpack

[dense violet]

you can set tubes in in factories to go to different sections 🙂

[feral jay]

ohhhh, then I dunno

There's gotta be a "faster hoverpack" mod

[wicked nacelle]

There’s got to be.

[ivory condor]

I believe there is

[feral jay]

Once I start building really tall factories I've always used tubes to at least get between floors, but that might change now with the elevator

[fathom shuttle]

Just belting the rubber and plastic over to the train station took an hour wtf

[wraith basin]

why does the blueprint machine suck

why cant iput conveyer holes in the wall

[tranquil hemlock]

Because of the overlap with the edge of the BP maker. Also happens with the double sided wall power outlets. My suggestion is to either use the walls with built-in conveyor holes, or leave that spot without a wall, and place the wall and hole later when you want to place that BP. Same with power. Set it up, and add the wall outlets when you place the BP

[half scaffold]

It is NOT COOL when they hide a Mercer Sphere IN a Uranium deposit!

[feral jay]

Yes. Literally unplayable.

[wicked nacelle]

there are a bunch of things like that. rocks to break inside caves you have to break rocsk to get to.. or caves behind rocks you have to pick axe at

[fathom shuttle]

Yea these are really annoying

[viral tendon]

Js mine it😭

[wicked nacelle]

it wouldn't be so bad if you could nobelisk them away... but the fact that you have to sit there and pick axe them is annoying

[half scaffold]

Yeah, I mined it and quicly dumped the ore in a box so I wouldn't die

[viral tendon]

It takes 10 seconds

[viral tendon]

Just delete in inventory

[wicked nacelle]

you can trash uranium

its only nuclear byproducts you can't trash (and ficsonium fuel rods for some reason)

[half scaffold]

I was worried Imight need it for nuclear

[wicked nacelle]

there is infinite uranium just like all other mineable resources

[viral tendon]

Mk 6 lifts look so cool

[viral tendon]

Ficsit doesn't waste

[wicked nacelle]

ficsit lies

[charred ruin]

are there any pure uranium nodes?

or is normal the best

[wicked nacelle]

they got rid of them in 1.0 - so no there are not anymore

[feral jay]

Only impure and normal

!wikisearch uranium

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=uranium

[charred ruin]

ok

[viral tendon]

Lategame?? That's like midgame isn't it

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map you can always check the map

[tranquil hemlock]

sets up a module of my central storage "Awesome, I can hook this up, and later I can add modules and expand it as needed" Realising I placed it in a bad spot and neglected to leave room to expand "Ahhh, dammit"

[feral jay]

Nice, I hit 100% power utilization

Therefore every machine in the world is running at 100%

Well aside from my biofuel plant which is on-demand, and my quick&dirty machines back at base

[half scaffold]

Lol, I was looking for a sphere... I could HEAR it, but couldn't see it. I dropped into a chasm and could hear it really loudly but still couldn't see it. I spin around, nothing... I flew up to see better... I had literally dropped in on top of it!

[feral jay]

Had that happen once when I cheated and teleported myself with SCIM, I was convinced it was bugged. But I was on top of the damned thing

Dammit there's a 3MW drain somewhere

Maybe it'll just take some time

[earnest ingot]

if i post pictures am i allowed to show belt spaghetti

[feral jay]

We don't allow mediocrity 😛

[wicked nacelle]

only if you let us mock you and pretend like we don't do it, too

[feral jay]

Yes that

[leaden turret]

cooked or uncooked spaghetti?

[earnest ingot]

😢

[feral jay]

You risk being taunted

[wicked nacelle]

post again and Is hall taunt you a second time

[earnest ingot]

phase 5 kicked my butt

i was doing really well until phase 5

[feral jay]

I was hoping someone would make that reference

[leaden turret]

this is the level of spaghett that gets featured on dev streams: https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=spaghett AND belts

[wicked nacelle]

@final here I'll go first. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1392738531712962651/image.png?ex=6870a055&is=686f4ed5&hm=72bd50f5798429fb337ed8a78f9ef134e51a1dfc27d8231ac675e98b3286791e&

[earnest ingot]

josh is the only true sphagetti master

[earnest ingot]

embed fail

[fathom shuttle]

So my current plan is to do -> electronics -> FMF and PCC (should take like an hour to set it all up since everything is ready) -> consumables factory -> nuclear pasta factory -> nuclear power plant

[wicked nacelle]

no?

youc an't post images here

[fathom shuttle]

The biggest hold up rn is the electronics factory, once that’s done I can quickly finish the FMF and pressure conversion cubes since the PCC only need RCUs and those will be ready

[feral jay]

What fresh hell is this?

[leaden turret]

that's not spaghett, that's braided

is pretzels

[earnest ingot]

i just posted some of my stuff

[wicked nacelle]

I bring most of all the bauxite on the map here via trains and I don't know how much is on what train so i had to start balancing belts so I don't run out in the wrong places first

so it's a 9:9 belt balancer

[fathom shuttle]

The game is a little weird in how sometimes you might not seem to be making a lot of progress then suddenly once you finish the few key supply chains you quickly progress through everything

[feral jay]

Ah, the only good reason to use belt balancers

I use those all the time

[fathom shuttle]

I bet it would have taken less time to just track which node is which and naming the belts and train accordingly lol

And you just reminded me that I need Mk6 belts for full bauxite throughout lol

[earnest ingot]

im not exacly the most technical player

but i did make a ballistic warp drive factory that i almost didnt have to use any sloops for

[pastel harness]

Anyone else had issues where a train won't unload all it's carriages? I have a train with 6 freight wagons but only the first 2 will unload

[wicked nacelle]

perhaps.

[dreamy bane]

is it worth it to sacrifise a hard drive to research compacted coal/turbo fuel in the mam?

[wicked nacelle]

do you have the stations set to "unload"? -- it's not the default

[fathom shuttle]

Then sloop the ballistic warp drives manufacturers

[earnest ingot]

check the ticks

[pastel harness]

The stations are set to unload and the stations are empty

[earnest ingot]

thats a good idea

[fathom shuttle]

Yes there are plenty of hard drives in the world

[wicked nacelle]

in the end sam and warp drives are the only things you should sloop

[earnest ingot]

4 per minute would go crazy

[leaden turret]

there are enough drives to get all recipes, so it's a short-term sacrifice not a forever sacrifice

[fathom shuttle]

12m/min points

[dreamy bane]

okie thanks

[wicked nacelle]

do you have an unload setting in the "gear" in the autodrive settings?

like "unload only X and Y" and you also have Z?

[pastel harness]

There are no specific unload settings, it's default

[earnest ingot]

oh

my sam isnt keeping up

fuck

[fathom shuttle]

Can a single drone handle 800/min silica?

[earnest ingot]

i think not

[hollow vector]

how far

[wicked nacelle]

that's all I got

[fathom shuttle]

Hmm like maybe 1km?

[pastel harness]

Aight thx I'ma try rebuilding everything

[wicked nacelle]

depends how far and what fuel. It tells you stacks/m

[pastel harness]

Could be blueprint issues

[fathom shuttle]

Rocketfuel

[wicked nacelle]

always a safe bet

[wicked nacelle]

but it depends how far, too.

[fathom shuttle]

I don’t need a second port I can just put down a second drone instead right

[wicked nacelle]

no

drone ports have 1 drone that goes to exactly 1 other station and directly back.

you could put a drone on the other drone port as well, though.

one on the source one on the receiver

[fathom shuttle]

It’s 1.15km ish

[wicked nacelle]

...... belt

[fathom shuttle]

And they both ship items to the same place right?

[earnest ingot]

im using drones to deliver sam to make reanimated sam to make dark matter traps

[fathom shuttle]

You’re tempting me here lol

[earnest ingot]

residue*

[wicked nacelle]

each goes to the other place that their port tells them too. outgoing stuff is picked up when docking

so you have to tell the source port drone to go to the destination and the destination port drone to go to the source port. Only one port needs fuel once you bootstrap them with fuel

[fathom shuttle]

I’m already running a long sulfur belt along that direction and I didn’t put down any foundations to support a second belt

[earnest ingot]

im too lazy to deal with this rn...

ill ficsit later

I DONT HAVE MY FUNNY WHEEZE EMOTE

[wicked nacelle]

make a blueprint that has some number of stacked conveyor belts stubbed out of it and then use autoconnect to drag as many belts at once as you want

[fathom shuttle]

Oh alr

[earnest ingot]

😭

[pastel harness]

Oh okay I got it to work

[fathom shuttle]

Well to reduce the load on my drones I’ll have 2, one takes crushed quartz and the other 1 takes silica with 2 drones on it

[earnest ingot]

where do i post my cat

[wicked nacelle]

is he on the back of my chair?

[fathom shuttle]

I think silica would be slightly faster since the quartz needed to make the silica is 5 stacks, but the silica is 4 stacks

[earnest ingot]

i got kitty kisses chat

[pastel harness]

So it looks like, to be connected, train stations have to be manually built together. If you try to connect them using blueprints with autoconnect, then the rail likes will connect so the train can move between the platforms, but the platforms won't be connected together as part of the same station block. Visually the same but separated in the backend.

[earnest ingot]

I GOT KITTY KISSES

[wicked nacelle]

tenderizing you to eat later

[earnest ingot]

he would never

[pastel harness]

Looks like I'll be rebuilding and setting unload on my 72 train platforms. Again 😭

well it comes at a good time. I have to remake the backside of my stations since the trains don't have enough engines to get up my ramp anyway

[abstract trail]

Bro what

[wicked nacelle]

that's why cats have scratchy tongues

[feral jay]

Just cleaned out the awesome shop

[tranquil hemlock]

There's no way to angle a pillar on a vertical axis, to go alongside a ramp, is there?

[abstract trail]

Chat what are yalls obsession with trains

I dont get it

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1392743254109196380/image.png?ex=6870a4bb&is=686f533b&hm=7522f4d4db438c14446e7f78473bbb6b2c4f3b908cb1ada3e9411ae26a24360a& ?

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1392743597920489543/image.png?ex=6870a50d&is=686f538d&hm=9a2ad19f0e54b9519e066208eaa481568fe81275209767934319e8e591236ce8&

[tranquil hemlock]

I'll try that and see if I can snap the concrete pillars to it somehow. Want the ramp to match the rest of the road XD

[wicked nacelle]

yep, the beams are great for making angles for other things to snap to

[tranquil hemlock]

Though it would help if I wasn't in a heavily irradiated area and getting hurt while I try to build over XD

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1392744203376660492/image.png?ex=6870a59e&is=686f541e&hm=f499797058c4a5e53a54ada2ea66f995730e4d0d2c4e444608c5d0d9445ca800&

[charred ruin]

is there a way to see how far a pump is pushing the water?

so i can tell where to place the next pump

[dense violet]

Usually there’s a blue hologram to show you

[charred ruin]

a placed pump

[dense violet]

If you’re doing very long gradual pipes it probably won’t show though

[wicked nacelle]

that animated blue thing that comes out of the pump stops where the pump headlift stops. also sometimes there is a static blue thingy that your pump will snap to

[dense violet]

When you’re placing pumps, it’ll show a hologram of where it’s at now. The headlift

[charred ruin]

so do i place the next pump after the hologram

before, or on

[wicked nacelle]

you're supposed to be able to put it "on" but some people say that that's just slightly too far and to put it just before the snap point

I tend to just use too many pumps and don't really worry about where they're supposed to be. I have blueprints for running 9 pipes vertically that have the pumps built into them and I just daisy chain the power and they autoconnect

Here it is with some of the walls cut away https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1392746244903931917/image.png?ex=6870a784&is=686f5604&hm=eb5673b67f9f160c26e72ca9e0110470fddef459d39caf1374b9a3e0801bd5d2&

[wicked nacelle]

if you just run your pipes straight up higher than you want them to go then back down the fluid keeps the headlift so you can then run it up ramps or follow terrain without any additional pumps. You just put pumps in the initial "water tower"

fluid keeps its headlift until it hits a pump so if it's up real high it can always get back up there if you just use pipes/junctions

and don't forget, gases don't care about headlift. nitrogen, rocket fuel, etc

[charred ruin]

unfortunately what im transferring is water, so i need pumps

[tranquil hemlock]

I'm not sure how to link it, but in the screenshot I posted, I can't quite get it to angle so that it's correctly on the edge of a ramp, and trying to use it just puts the line of pillars on a steeper angle than the ramp

[charred ruin]

i need to move it to a refinery for sulfuric acid

and my refinery is way up a cliff

[wicked nacelle]

i'll go look, but right lcick the picture "copy link" then paste the link here

[tranquil hemlock]

Thank you

[next meadow]

What do y'all think of my monstrosity of a steel factory in #screenshots?

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest moving the other ramp parts away for a second so you can see the corners of the ramp piece. Then place the beam then place the concrete pillar then delete the beam, then put the other ramps back

[tranquil hemlock]

Ok, I'll try that. Thanks

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1392748119296446544/image.png?ex=6870a943&is=686f57c3&hm=d245d66571f1ddc29210bcf9dd246e17368de8b83c7ec9d0b6eb2f1b8c357ab4&

[tranquil hemlock]

Yup, got it. It's not perfect - the pillars don't quite sit at the same length as the ramp edge, but once it's done, they should clip into the rest. Good enough for government work

[fathom shuttle]

5.64 stacks per minute

Good enough I guess

[wicked nacelle]

start one section of pillar from the bottom start the other from the top

[tranquil hemlock]

Thanks for the help, it's appreciated

[wicked nacelle]

they'll clip into each other perfectly in the middle (probably)

[charred ruin]

finally got it working, thanks

[wicked nacelle]

the seams are a little weird in the middle, but it's perfect length on both ends https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1392749034061561936/image.png?ex=6870aa1d&is=686f589d&hm=10e6105ab1964a0f25e5e664ce94b419f26f7b11da2158b09f020d87b59e034d& with concrete it's barely noticable

[tranquil hemlock]

That's some nice looking spaghetti in the background XD

[wicked nacelle]

some people care about that. some people don't 🙂 I'm sinking 190M points/m 🙂 I need a LOT of aluminum

speakling of which everything seems to be working right now which means something is almost certainly broken -- nope, wow. crazy stuff

[wicked nacelle]

so that red glowy moon looking thing is supposedly a neutron star?

[wicked nacelle]

did you get it with the ends matching?

[tranquil hemlock]

Not perfectly, but good enough. Last screenshot in the screenshots channel. Tried to link it, but it came up with a super long link, rather than just the image dot png

[spice patio]

And when you include that long link in actual Discord message, it gets shortened: #screenshots message

[tranquil hemlock]

ahhh

[quartz vale]

the big box collection got me itching I want it but I'm broke rn

praying I get paid before it runs out (~4 days before the Kickstarter is said to end)

Kickstarter stuff can go out of stock, right?

[tranquil hemlock]

Most likely. Physical items, absolutely. Don't know how it is with digital content, but likely also limited

[quartz vale]

aghhhh well let's hope there'll still be stuff left in a month

really want that cloth map and those mugs

[spice patio]

The point of such kickstarter is to get amount on how many to produce.

So, kickstarters almost never can go out of stock, unless it includes something already produced that is in limited quantities, and then those would be said and limited in how many can even try to order.

[quartz vale]

well the goals been met like tenfold

understandably, it's awesome as shit

[spice patio]

And that doesn't matter when that just defines the first run size.

[quartz vale]

ah

[spice patio]

usually only run size.

[tranquil hemlock]

Ah, my mistake. I thought they were more to get an idea on if people were actually interested and worth starting production

[quartz vale]

right well I tend to worry about superficial stuff

hence my concern

so I'll still be praying something won't go magically wrong and stuff disappears lol

[south kindle]

I messed up

Put a coal factory in a suboptimal location and found a spot with 3 pure nodes on it

at least that one should be faster to build but like, dammit

[feral lichen]

[stitched iron plate] vs [iron wire] - the hen or the egg, thats the question 😄

[shy mulch]

what's a big box collection?

[woven nebula]

by chance would anyone be able to help me with my trains, i have 1 station and 2 loaders spaces apart (all powered ) but i cant get them to load onto the rail carts (and they are set on load mode)

[steady glade]

loaders are not powered unless attached to a station

[woven nebula]

they are connected to the station

[steady glade]

then what do you mean by spaces apart?

did you separate them and then put a rail between?

[woven nebula]

i put the empty platform with catwalk

[worn edge]

ah man i wonder how quick getting burn in on my oled is gonna take with this

[steady glade]

and your train cant dock right?

[woven nebula]

wont let me load, so yes

[shy mulch]

a screenshot would probably help here, to understand what you're doing exactly

[woven nebula]

where can i put a ss?

[shy mulch]

#screenshots

[steady glade]

fairly certain the empty platform is the issue

[woven nebula]

i put one there becuse of it

[steady glade]

the issue was there before you added a spacer?

[woven nebula]

yes

[steady glade]

can you try again without the spacer please?

[woven nebula]

done

[steady glade]

maybe replace it with a fluid freight platform

wait were you trying to get the train to load in that position?

[woven nebula]

done

yes

[steady glade]

thats the issue, the train loads or unloads when the locomotive is 'Docked'

[dense violet]

it looks like yoru station is facing hte wrong way. your locomotive is on the left side of the station?

[steady glade]

you need your main locomotive to be at the station

then press F to Dock

or have it running on a schedule

[worn edge]

Chat do i start a new save to get more order in my factory?

or just figure it out

[steady glade]

no real difference between tearing everything down and starting fresh

[woven nebula]

does not show me the option

[worn edge]

yeah actually ill just tear it all down im stupid

my powerplant is awesome tho ill leave that be

[dense violet]

if you think it'll help you learn, yeah starting over fresh can really help pin down basic logistic skills

[steady glade]

can you show me a screenshot of where your locomotive is?

[dense violet]

could be right? can't see from that angle

[worn edge]

should i make one super factory or individual ones with conveyors going to my main place? and later on cars ig

[woven nebula]

put it in ss

[dense violet]

looks good

[dense violet]

if you've never gone through all the tiers before just keep plugging away. It's basically a long tutorial

[steady glade]

can you show a pic from the front right of the station ?

[dense violet]

nothing you build now will really match your own personal factories later

[steady glade]

im assuming its green but still

[woven nebula]

in ss

[steady glade]

looks fine s

[hard ivy]

Unrelated, but I suggest you get some Packaged Liquid Biofuel for your Jetpack. Regular Fuel is pretty terrible in the Jetpack

[woven nebula]

turbo fuel?

[hard ivy]

Also not particularly good

[woven nebula]

im about to make a factory for that

oh

[hard ivy]

Depends what you want. Packaged liquid biofuel lasts very long, can get you up quite high on one charge, and it's slow when moving vertically so it's perfect for hovering

Turbofuel is fast vertically so it's good for getting moderately high moderately quickly

[frail sleet]

turbofuel has an aircontrol boost, too

but generally is just too weak overall that it doesn't compete with liquid biofuel

[rigid raven]

Does the unpackage fuel in the fuel packager produces 60 m^3 of fuel? it does give its measurement in the per minute stat.

[steady glade]

yes

[rigid raven]

huh dont know why my fuel generators arent accepting enough fuel

[sterile blade]

They always "accept" (aka input) as much as they can. If Fuel isn't going in either there's not enough being made or there's a lack of headlift for the Fuel to reach the generators

[steady glade]

you probably made just enough fuel for all your generators

disable part of the factory for a while, let them fill up

[rigid raven]

im producing 85 and thats going into 3 generators that take 20 a minute so it shouldnt be

[steady glade]

wait wat

are the pipes full?

[rigid raven]

they are quite empty

[steady glade]

pause the generators for a moment, see if the pipes and refineries fill up

[rigid raven]

alr ill try that

[sterile blade]

How did you make sure that you're actually making that much/min?

[rigid raven]

thats what the packager says

[sterile blade]

The Packager doesn't know the efficiency of your whole factory :P
Ie: if you don't feed enough to the Packager, it won't be able to output 85/min constantly

[steady glade]

are you using the diluted fuel recipe?

[rigid raven]

oh it sometimes dip bc i dont have enough hor

[rigid raven]

ye

[sterile blade]

Reminder that if the Packager makes less Fuel than the generators need, you're in the first case scenario here ^^

[steady glade]

im assuming your pipes arent going up to some other floor

[quartz vale]

#announcements

[shy mulch]

Includes a 1:18 scale lizard doggo. So that's 1/18 of the size of a real life one? 😂

[lost wagon]

The car better be a rc car

[undone lichen]

Wait, using an entire packaged biofuel as jetpack fuel doesn't give back empty canisters?

[reef basin]

nothing gives back empty canisters, except for unpackaging

[undone lichen]

Bruh

[true mulch]

wouldn't it be annoying getting your inventory filled with empty canisters

[reef basin]

they are burnable, you stick them into the thing whole

[undone lichen]

Guess it is but also kinda annoying having to craft more canisters

[true mulch]

automate it...?

[lost wagon]

More microplastics smh my head

[true mulch]

if you find the automation aspect of an automation game annoying I have bad news

[true mulch]

that's at LEAST macroplastics

[undone lichen]

Fair enough

[reef basin]

also canisters can be made without plastics 😛

[undone lichen]

Imma use the plates + copper sheet recipe

[lost wagon]

Paper canisters

[undone lichen]

Dont have plastic factory yet

[viral tendon]

It've got to a point that i need 25 machines to make 150 of something per minute

This game is peak

[lost wagon]

Wait until you need 70 constructors to make something to make 10 of something else

[viral tendon]

I'm at phase 5 rn i'm ALREADY at that point

20 constructors for 150 diamonds/m

And i need mk 3 miner on puer quarts node and mk 3 miner on pure coal node

This game gets complicated at phase 5 but also really easy

Everything is going smooth

Not like phase 4

[lost wagon]

Someone said 5 was easier than 4

[viral tendon]

Fuckass superposition oscillator

[viral tendon]

Exactly

Bro first 2-3 days after completeing phase 4 i already got 2 of 4 milestones done

[ripe basin]

Wait till you get ballistic warp drives

[viral tendon]

I believe i'm getting them today

[ripe basin]

I hate them

[viral tendon]

Turbo motors are worse

I don't give a fuck what recipe warp drives got

Turbo motors are way worse

[ripe basin]

You need thermal rockets for BWD

So it is worse

[viral tendon]

What exited photonic matter so excited for bruh 😂 ✌️

[viral tendon]

Well i need only 200 of warp drives tho

[ripe basin]

So you need 200 rockets

[viral tendon]

Ah, i needed 250 for completing phase 4

Not that bad

Thought it was worse

[ripe basin]

And guess what
You need turbo motors for rockets

[frozen cloud]

the difficulty of dark matter is kinda eh compared to alu imo
and super position oscillators and warp drives are hard but so are turbo motors and super computers so its kinda just the same

[viral tendon]

Turbo motors were fucking nightmare

Cuz when you unlock them you're not that good

You already got turbo motors production coolign system, fused frames etc. when you get to phas e5

I think i kinda overkilled with the 150 diamonds per minute

I really dno't need that much

[frozen cloud]

150 isnt that much

[ripe basin]

Time crystals for belts

[viral tendon]

I already have a production of trinagas and time crystal for belts

Did that as soon is i unlocked them

Without knowing i'll need them for belts

[frozen cloud]

im at 1300/min diamonds 🙃

[viral tendon]

Do you like use excesive dark matter for ficsonium?

[frozen cloud]

nah just a bunch of warp drives

[boreal musk]

i always recycle all my dark matter back to cut sam cost

much more useful than just sinking the crystals

[frozen cloud]

hm also phase 5 feels shorter than 4 right?

[viral tendon]

Yep

Tiers milestones don't need a lot of new stuff, mostly old like rcus turbo motors

Unlike phase 4 tiers

Does dark matter residue have the same pipeline physics like gas?

I mean very flexieble

[ripe basin]

I think yes. You can check the pipeline to be sure

[viral tendon]

I trust you

[ripe basin]

If it looks like a gas inside the pipe then its like gas

[viral tendon]

I need every sam node to be pure

[lost wagon]

I was thinking today instead of making a bunch of individual factories, I could build not a mega factory, butr a big factory that crafts all the tier 1 stuff, the just ship the resources needed to it using trucks until train, then do another big one for tier 2 resouces and so on, I think it would look more cleaner

[boreal musk]

dark matter and photonic matter behaves like gas, even if the game describes they arent gas nor liquid

[viral tendon]

Did satisfactory predict that we will be able to turn light into matter

Like solid

[lost wagon]

No, it predicted that we will destroy earth and then go destroy other planets

[viral tendon]

Oh come on impure sam nodce

[viral tendon]

U're from future or what

[lost wagon]

Yes

[viral tendon]

When cyberpunk 2088

[lost wagon]

I am from the timeline bloodborne was released on PC

[viral tendon]

I like how they made so new parts have recipes that pioneer's brain can't understand

Nice little lore detail

[dense violet]

Wouldn’t you just build the tier 2 stuff where you have all the tier 1 already?

[viral tendon]

I'm halfway to completing phase 5 and i just unlocked diluted fuel

Wow, so useful

[south sinew]

if you already had to do nuclear then yeah it's a bit late

[viral tendon]

Ofc

If i'm halway to complete phase 5 i think it's pretty obvious i did nuclear

625w per fully overclocked fuel gen is not gonna be enough

Holy shity my max cons is 70k but myt prouction is 76k

I'm usaing 36k rn but my goodness

That's a lot

Gotta expand my nuclear production

[unkempt ermine]

why is it when i place a hypertube junction it becomes invisible

[tranquil hemlock]

I may have made an error. I build a road with a huge ramp to tractor SAM from on top of a cliff. I just happened to bring the ramp down to the ground... right against a sand dune. No hope for flat ground XD This is gunna be a pain to adapt

[dense violet]

build some flat foundations from the ramp?

[steady cedar]

is there an option to make the elevator automatically go back down to the first floor after sometime

[tranquil hemlock]

Might be the needed method 😅 Going to see what I have to work with. Terrain is definitely the worst enemy in this game

[dense violet]

just gotta plan around it

[dense violet]

didn't seem like it on the control pad

[unkempt ermine]

any ideas?

[dense violet]

save and reload

[steady cedar]

would be nice, since getting down isnt generally hard you open just jump, getting up however the wait is a little annoying

[dense violet]

could just do hyper tubes to floors if that's an issue. Or hoverpack up if you're dropping down

[steady cedar]

i mean ye i just wanted to use elevators cuz fun

[lost wagon]

Some yea, like rods, plates and anything immediately after ingots doesn't worth making it part of the big factories, but stuff like rotors, reinforced plates and so on, I guess it would better to call it a factory for intermediary and above

[unkempt ermine]

didnt work

[south sinew]

I used an elevator, then when it reached max height, used a hypertube to access the next elevator

[dense violet]

but all the parts for rotors and reinforced would also be made there right? so you'd ship teh things from A to B and make them there instead?

[dense violet]

mods? multiplayer? server?

[unkempt ermine]

none

normal singleplayer

when i place them the texture becomes buggy and then it vanishes

[dense violet]

have you verified files?

[unkempt ermine]

nope

[dense violet]

try that

[unkempt ermine]

okay

[lost wagon]

Not only for rotors, but yea, basically the "small factory" would craft stuff all the other factories need, so if I have 3 factories need wire, I have the wire thing produce enough for the 3 and ship them to the big factory to feed the 3 needing it

[dense violet]

but if all teh basic parts are made right there, why not just combine then there.

otherwise you'd be sending some basic parts to places where you're making other basic parts that are also made at the point of origin?

[viral tendon]

Is the fact that conveyours work without power explained by some lore?

Or is it just a mystery

[loud leaf]

someone help me my train self driving is crazy. I put a post in questions and help

[wary remnant]

Was briefly mentioned in a dev stream, they wanted to keep some aspects "chill", so no power requirements for the conveyors, no wear and tear and no maintenance required. There's enough to keep you busy anyway.

[green fiber]

powered by AI (ADA)

[tardy storm]

are throughput monitors 100% accurate?

[reef basin]

I would doubt so

since they just average over a minute

[tardy storm]

im making 2200 copper powder/m and im am losing my mind it is running at 99% eff but that 1% is eluding me

[reef basin]

the efficiency meters aren't accurate either. Unless you've seen yellow lights, it should be fine

[ivory condor]

Don't worry, unless you see the yellow lights

[tardy storm]

nah they must be because the issue is not an anomaly, the throughput managers and the efficency cant both be innaccurate

[tardy storm]

im going for some crazy end game factory so its more for fun than efficency, why else would i need 22 nuclear pasta/min

[reef basin]

they can, since the game just averages stuff

[ivory condor]

22/min isn't crazy you can go much higher

[tardy storm]

nah they must be accurate, ive just fixed it and i have my 2200 copper powder /min

[tardy storm]

its crazy for me lmao i do not have the paitence for anything more

[ivory condor]

I like how much copper ingots copper powder needs

[tardy storm]

13200 bars just for copper powder has driven me to insanity, 380+ refineries is not ok

[ivory condor]

But those pure recipes you really need for mass copper ingot production, so noway around refinery simulator city

[tardy storm]

only 612 refineries in total for the factory...

lowk good to do smth at this big of a scale tho, deff need to try a big nuclear setup too

[proven drum]

how many coal burners can a water pump supply

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[hard ivy]

But also, I suggest you try to figure such stuff out yourself

[unkempt ermine]

how to over/under clock

[viral tendon]

Unlock it in mam

[reef basin]

you don't need pumps unless you're going up

[proven drum]

the machines that sit on the water lol

[reef basin]

water extractors?

[minor rock]

do the math 👌 youll want to

[proven drum]

yes

[dreamy bane]

how do i assign stun ammo to my rebar gun i have it in my inventory but it wont use it

[steady glade]

hold r

[tardy osprey]

i've made 2 circuits, one for power making, other for power eating
the power making one has capacity 21,635-21,739 MW and power boost 3,381MW (2 boosters) while the power eating has max cons. 51,751.5 MW
what do i do?

[dreamy bane]

done thanks

[hard ivy]

Make more power?

[steady glade]

good luck to you i guess, you'll wanna upgrade your power making circuit above avg. consumption

[tardy osprey]

shoot me in the head

[steady glade]

your max cons might be 51k but the way you're talking about it im guessing you barely average 30k

[tardy osprey]

aprox. yeah

[steady glade]

then bring some coal and sulfur and make turbofuel

[hard ivy]

Turbo? Ew

Regular fuel is easier

[steady glade]

either that or go out to the other side of the map and make more fuel

[hard ivy]

Fuel makes up to 20 GW from 600 oil

You usually don't need more than 1 oilfield until rocket fuel

[reef basin]

you don't usually need rocket fuel

[jaunty jewel]

with the scale i build (sometimes), i need turbofuel

[reef basin]

sounds like you should be going nuclear instead

[jaunty jewel]

sir i am talking for phase 3

[reef basin]

then it sounds like you're building too much for that phase

[jaunty jewel]

never too much

[hard ivy]

Once you can make rocket fuel, it's usually easier to make it than making more regular fuel

[hard ivy]

You seriously need more than like 50 GW before having rocket fuel?

[jaunty jewel]

i have in the past yes

[hard ivy]

I would just go tap another oilfield instead of bothering with turbo tbh

[jaunty jewel]

its not like turbofuel is hard

[hard ivy]

Fuel is easier imo

[jaunty jewel]

id much rather save on oil than sulfur and coal

[hard ivy]

Then you do you ig

[jaunty jewel]

i mean outside of nuclear sulfur doesnt really do that much

[hard ivy]

Rocket fuel and instant scrap can use a lot

[jaunty jewel]

i dont use instant scrap

[hard ivy]

Well, I did once and then had to swap it to sloppy + electrode because I didn't have enough sulfur left for nuclear

[jaunty jewel]

ive always just done sloppy -> electrode

[hard ivy]

As you should. But I'm just saying - instant uses sulfur too

[jaunty jewel]

other than rf and nuclear there is no other real use for sulfur

for me at least

and because im not that much of a masochist i never intend to go too crazy with nuclear or rocket fuel so sulfur is never an issue

[hard ivy]

Leached caterium is another valid use I'd say

The other 2 leached not so much

[jaunty jewel]

its been said many times before here but you have to be trying to use all of any resource on the map to use all of it pretty much

[reef basin]

especially if you don't do TF branch

[jaunty jewel]

if i only tap one pure oil node i can get 20 gw from fuel or 44.4 from turbofuel

and thats only 1k sulfur, no reason not to imo

its not like im using hundreds of gigawatts for phase 3

[hard ivy]

And especially since they added like 3k more sulfur in 1.0 iirc

[jaunty jewel]

currently says theres 10k on the map

well 10.8k but same thing trust

[hard ivy]

There was like 6-7k before

I think

[jaunty jewel]

the only other use i could see for sulfur is batteries but i unironically have never made a single battery

[hard ivy]

They're kinda useless now

[reef basin]

they are pretty good for vehicle fuel

[hard ivy]

Isn't RF better?

Not sure how they compare cost-wise tho

[jaunty jewel]

well yeah

[reef basin]

they are comparable, but RF needs packaging and doing RF just for vehicles doesn't seem good to me

[jaunty jewel]

plutonium fuel rods are the best fuel but i wouldnt use them unless im sinking them already

[hard ivy]

yeah, other than nitrogen, Packaged RF is much easier and cheaper to make than batteries

Per MJ, of course

half the bauxite, and like 3x fewer machines

[reef basin]

more MJ per stack tho

[hard ivy]

so yeah, I probably wouldn't bother with batteries for vehicles. especially because both are unlocked at basically the same time

[hard ivy]

does it matter tho?

for a manually driven truck maybe?

[naive pendant]

It is a characteristic of fuel, so it's worth mentioning.

[reef basin]

yeah, it very much matters for personal vehicles

[hard ivy]

PFRs with 75 TJ/stack lol

[naive pendant]

Packaged rocket fuel (100 stack size), battery (200 stack size). Just posting since I looked it up.

For me, packaged rocket fuel vs battery was broadly personal preference. Both take aluminum. Both take sulfur. Kinda liked keeping my RF power plant and drone fuel production lines fully seperate. So doing RF for power and battery for drone fuel felt nice.

And I hadn't done batteries before, so wanted to experience that.

Max distance allowed by a full stack of fuel doesn't practically limit drones right as the map is too small?

Trucks, tractors you can technically path super long routes, so could be relevant there.

[vestal mica]

is it a 1:1 relationship for fuel MJ value and how good it is in vehicles?

or does it have other properties like acceleration etc that could matter?

[hard ivy]

not sure about cars, but drones' speed depends on the fuel

[vestal mica]

but even in general, do they follow the rules? like liquid biofuel only has a 1.1 energy multiplier on solid, but in a jetpack it's like 5 times better

i just wasn't sure if batteries in drones vs rocket fuel in drones you could just look at the MJ per resource as a measure

[upper gale]

Is there a way to block off one of the inputs in a merger? My blueprint keeps trying to auto-connect to an input that's on the side of the merger, but I don't want anything connected on that side

[undone yarrow]

Drones have their speed thing, but beyond that it's purely a MJ comparison.

For Batteries vs rocket fuel, it was something like Batteries are slightly more expensive other than the nitrogen than rocket fuel, but have a higher KJ oer stack because they stack to 200 vs Rocket Fuel's 100

Though plutonium and ionized fuel are faster still, if debatable if worth using

[hard ivy]

if you've got a nuclear plant and sinking plutonium, using it for drones is free

but other than that, yeah, they're probably more effort than they're worth

modding discord invite in #welcome

[tight spear]

❤️

[hard ivy]

idk if they take commissions, but you can definitely ask

[tranquil hemlock]

Me running in and out of a highly radioactive area while setting up logistics be like "What is this, Fallout?"

[vestal mica]

i have no idea how scientifically rigorous it was, but a reddit post where someone compared the consumption over a long drone route. Rocket fuel was faster round trip (barely), and while the stack size is smaller I don't think the map is big enough for that to matter for drones. Rocket fuel also burned about 33% less units per trip and made the round trip using about 17% less MJ.

[undone yarrow]

Packaged Rocket fuel is 7200 vs batteries 6000 per individual

I'm just going off the wiki

[vestal mica]

i know, that's what i used

the round trip burned 2.37 rocket fuel, 3.43 batteries

[upper gale]

Figured this out- just connect a lift to the merger and then connect a conveyor floor hole to the lift. Auto-connect doesn't try to connect to the floor hole since it's facing upwards

[undone yarrow]

Makes it sound like the flight speed is wrong and batteries are hot poopy

[vestal mica]

found another post where they tested it on basically the longest route you could make on the map. it worked out to within 1% of each other on MJ consumed

round trip time/transfer rate was also effectively identical

plutonium rods the best in that test if you have them on hand

anyway, batteries and rocket fuel seemed close enough that unless you're trying to minmax the whole map, either one is fine

but if you're really trying to min/max you only use belts. don't spend any MJ on logistics

[shy mulch]

I just like using rocket fuel for drones because I'm already making tons of it for power so package some up and send it away doesn't really require any extra effort

[vestal mica]

but i'm done with the rocket fuel and don't want to turn off generators or worry about getting aluminum over there. more fun to just build a battery factory since i've never done that

[terse lichen]

why don't encased uranium cells glow? they'd look so much better

[south sinew]

decided in the end to increase synthetic power shard production to 50/m after all

not because I really need so many power shards... just because I want dark matter for BWD

[viral tendon]

20 fucking crystal oscillators/m for 20 superposotion oscillator/m

I'm not doing ts 😭

Well i have to

[stone summit]

anyone know why i have a bunch of little black dots on my screen?

[fathom shuttle]

Just bought Factorio

[viral tendon]

Ficsit doesn't support that decision