satisfactory

[neon hollow]

It’s not working for me

Just doing the regular forward and back

[hard ivy]

Horizontal nudging is relative to the camera so maybe vertical is too? It would be weird tho

[north widget]

yo for nuclear power how do you guys split the rods

[west jackal]

HOLY SPAGHET

[viral tendon]

Glad u noticed

[viral tendon]

I have no idea how i could make it with spaghetti

[north widget]

screws 💔

[viral tendon]

Yeah i need them for rotors

For modular engine for phase 3

To be exact for modular plating

[west jackal]

look at the conveyors! they are spaghetti, its fine though, it happens to me all the time

[viral tendon]

I meant to say without

My bad

[north widget]

hey does anyone know

how do you split fuel rods for nuclear power

[viral tendon]

Idk

Thanks for your time

[hard ivy]

Wdym split? All go into reactors. Or possibly sink if Plutonium

[north widget]

yeah

i have it on smart splitters

and just overflow

[viral tendon]

How much plutonium do y'all have

[north widget]

im gonna need plutonium

gonna have sooooo much waste

[neon hollow]

I have tried looking up while doing it still only nudges forward

[neon hollow]

Rip me

[north widget]

buffer bins it is

[viral tendon]

Could that be the reason why brian griffin is dead

[neon hollow]

LMAO what😭

[viral tendon]

What

What's wrong

[neon hollow]

What happened to brain griffin this time the bro always dying

He died like 6 times in 1 episode

[viral tendon]

So most of the times he revives but this time in episode road to vegas i believe it was in season 11 his real version died and every other brian that has been revived is a copy created by teleporter

[hard ivy]

Idk try checking/resetting your keybinds. Try it with a machine instead of a blueprint if that's what you were using beforehand

[viral tendon]

I know it can take some time to proccess information, but was that the reason? I need a clear answer

[sharp sentinel]

TMW you explored way too far out from your base trying to get resources from wrecks, hard drives, slugs, etc. and have to catch the Manta back.

Suspiciously common to see red slugs while riding it. Wonder if that's intentional.

[viral tendon]

Fuck are red slugs

[fluid sapphire]

im not sure i follow, i was simply suggesting using recipe chains that avoid screws altogether, like iron pipe and steel rotor

[viral tendon]

I, i don't have alt recipois for rotors and i have iron pipe, i don't really need a pipe rn

[sharp sentinel]

Purple ones when you forget the colour off-hand, and keep thinking about how they're actually kinda pink prior to entering your inventory.

[viral tendon]

Interesting

Are you sure

[fluid sapphire]

time to go hunting for hard drives, you can make motors entirely out of iron is what i am getting at, by using iron wire, iron pipe and steel rotor alt recipes, its so much better than having to ever deal with screws

[viral tendon]

I had a lot of hard drives and all of them were ass

[fluid sapphire]

the more you get the better your chances so

[neon hollow]

I gotta reset the key binds or assign it to a different key maybe cuz I tried it with everything

[viral tendon]

I like re scanned almost every one

[neon hollow]

They wanted to win an Emmy so they did parodies of other Emmy winner movies and parodied the plot and most of the stories Brian ends up murdered or killed some way

Wait there are red slugs?

[fluid sapphire]

well, i can only tell you its definitely worth it to try to find more

[viral tendon]

I saw it

I started watching family guy recently like a month ago

[fathom shuttle]

While WW3 started, I was planning a heavy modular frames factory and I’m quiet conflicted on what recipes I should use

[viral tendon]

I'm on season 17

[viral tendon]

I think you should perhaps

[fathom shuttle]

Wonder if I’ll get nuked playing satisfactory lol

[viral tendon]

I'm not

I'm not quiite sure what we're doing here

[fluid sapphire]

I got you, try: wet concrete, pure iron ingot, iron pipe, stitched iron plate, encased industrial pipe, heavy encased frame

[graceful plinth]

omg I have "Signal loop into itself" for hours 😦 but the other guy taught me proper train ethique

[fathom shuttle]

There is an airforce base nearby, like 30km away

[viral tendon]

Imagine blowing up nuke nobelisk and get fucking nuked r

[fathom shuttle]

The US just went to war with Iran

Like 30 minutes ago

[viral tendon]

Iran wouldn't even able to hit west europe

[fathom shuttle]

I’m literally in the middle of it all dawg 😭 💀 💀

[viral tendon]

Skill issue

[fathom shuttle]

Too broke to flee so I’ll just take a nuke on the chin

[viral tendon]

Skill issue i think

Also it's 4 am and i'm grinding satisfactory instead of going to sleep

[fathom shuttle]

Thank you, I should set up the concrete and iron production first tho

[north widget]

first day i ever got satisfactory i played for 18 hours straigh

never have i played a game that long straight again

i didnt even know about the per minute thing

[viral tendon]

I once played it for 24 hours straight wit like 5 hour sleep

[north widget]

i just clogged enough spaghetti belts till it worked

[fathom shuttle]

Crazy dude

You should learn the mechanics and organization

[north widget]

i know now

i had like 40 hours now i have 500

[west jackal]

is there an any/overflow setting for smart splitter?

[north widget]

if i go on that world all my machines go idle

[west jackal]

it seems like overflow used to handle any aswell, but it isnt working

[north widget]

yeah thats like the main point of them i feel

[viral tendon]

Anytime i play this fuckass game i'm stuck for atleast 8 hours

[west jackal]

to clarify, i have a belt with stators and rotors, smart splitters to sort this into the assembler, but the first smart splitter, which is stator, gets stuck the moment that there is a rotor

[viral tendon]

Is it bad that every conveyor i build is spaghetti

Like genuinely

I'm like not doing alat

June 11th i had 90 hous in satisfactory

Now i have 207, i also played 150 hours past 2 weeks in total

[graceful plinth]

SIGNAL LOOPING INTO ITSELF 😡

[viral tendon]

That is not healthy is it

2 weeks is 336 hours

So i spent 1 week( almost) playing video games

Wow that's cool

[west jackal]

your fine ryan, and the spaghetti isnt a big deal, everyone plays their own way. You can have just as effecient a factory with spaghetti as without. Just a little easier to diagnose issues if its clean

[ivory condor]

I hate that error so much, worse i have had it for dumb reasons, like tracks being to close

[viral tendon]

I love making spaghetti

[graceful plinth]

I dont know whats going on

[west jackal]

i like spaghetti irl. not in satisfactory though. But like I said, its all good brotha

[viral tendon]

I'm used to it so i can work with any type of spaghetti

Genuinely i'm can deal with every spaghetti converyours

[sharp sentinel]

I once played it while I was asleep.

[viral tendon]

I think satisfactory is too good to be true

It's genuinely fucknig addicting

Like no joke

When poeple say something that's not considered official addiction is addiction they mostly are joking but this time

I can't call it anythingg but an addiction

[fathom shuttle]

Building my factory with 4m foundations then using 1m foundations to hide the belts is a blessing

[viral tendon]

And that's why carter gifted lois a gun

[west jackal]

omg i forgot that i used to do that

[sharp sentinel]

Why would you hide the most satisfying part of the game?

[west jackal]

man i havent done phase 2 yet, ive automated everything i can (because i cant automate HMF without manufacturer) im 17h in but im using 2 GW and fully tapping out 2 coal nodes so i need to build more gens 😦

was hoping to make it to fuel before expanding grid

[viral tendon]

Wht do i do my factory is not satisfied

[west jackal]

unfortunately, only 6.5 motors/min

[viral tendon]

It says it wants a divorce

[west jackal]

longer conveyors 😉

[viral tendon]

Just so you know i have 9 industial containres of motors

[west jackal]

i just keep one and sink the rest, although thinking about it... im gonna need like 12 containers for the fuel generators

[viral tendon]

Guys you know that mfing drop pod that's surrounded by uranium right?

[sharp sentinel]

Which one?

[viral tendon]

The one near red forest enter

[leaden ether]

On top of a high pedistal of rock? 😄

[viral tendon]

Yep

[leaden ether]

Suit up and tanke a few idodine filters...

[viral tendon]

I got to it without hazmat suit

[leaden ether]

ANd some bombs for the rad hogs

[viral tendon]

I have no fucking idea what turbo motor is

It takes like 4 hp squares to get to it and open it

I couldn't open it becasuse it needed 10 turbo motors

[leaden ether]

You will probably find some turbo motors at other crash sites...

[viral tendon]

I'm like

[leaden ether]

But yeah, you'll have to opass on a lof of them initially...

[viral tendon]

Not doing that

I hate when devs lock something behind progress

But you can actually get to it early

But then it requires something that yo don't have early

It genuiunely fucking sucks

They give you a little hope and then crush it

[leaden ether]

You cn mark it on yur map and come back later. Also there are like 5 more crash sites than there are need for dives so you could also just leave that one forever. Same with the onein the swamp with like three alpha spitters guarding it 😄

[quaint flax]

whatever i do it always ends with spaghetti conveyors 😭

what am i doing wrong

[viral tendon]

Nothing it's a rule of sastisfactory

Unless you have a 1000x1000 foundation you can't stop getting spaghetti

[lost wagon]

need to unlock some more guns, playing the combat of the game like it's doom bunny hopping everywhere to dodge attacks and shoot while in the air lmao

[viral tendon]

Like maybe 500 meters

[lost wagon]

not as fun with a rebar

[viral tendon]

And 50x50 foundations

Then you can escape fuckass spaghetos

[viral tendon]

Get rifle

It's prolly in sulfur

[west jackal]

rifle is in sulfur

[viral tendon]

Cool i guessed it

[west jackal]

rebar is mid, but you can get homing ammo for the rifle 🙂

[viral tendon]

Also get cluster nobelisk

[viral tendon]

Rebar is good only with shatter

[west jackal]

i upgraded the motor storage. 8 Industrial containers now

[viral tendon]

I have 9

Full of fucking motors

[dense violet]

don't use 'any unidentified', just overflow

[west jackal]

i know, but overflow wasnt working

[dense violet]

plan things more, leave extra space. Just takes practice and planning

[viral tendon]

Is that the reason why carter is dancing walkling rearanging furniture and let bird out of the cage?

Potentionally

[dense violet]

then you haven't connected properly or there isn't anything to over flow from the main lines

[west jackal]

It was connected properly, and there was overflow, but the overflow was a different item than what was being filtered

[fathom shuttle]

Is it worth it to overclocking smelters and constructors?

[dense violet]

overflow is whatever can't fit on the belts on the other side

[dense violet]

if you want to save space? sure

[west jackal]

well now its working... idk what i did before that wouldnt work

[west jackal]

personally, only if you absolutely need the space

[fathom shuttle]

Hmm yea I don’t think I’m gonna run out of space anytime soon

[dense violet]

any shard used in something other than a miner/extractor only serves to save space

which I think is fine personally. I over clock almost everything as much as I can'

but I have lots of shards at the end

I probably wouldn't bother early on though

[midnight fog]

you can save somersloops if you overclock or am i wrong

[west jackal]

early on id recken saving for miner/extractor/whatever the gas pump is

[west jackal]

well slooping is like overclocking but it doesnt take extra input. so you can save sloops but you need more input

[dense violet]

oh yeah those should have priority

eh. slooping is just a soft creative mode mechanic.

[viral tendon]

I never used powersloops for overclocking cuz i'm to greedy

[west jackal]

are you the one doing no sloop playthrough?

[viral tendon]

It's prolly cuz i got 15 in a whole game

[midnight fog]

I meant the actuall sloops themselves since they are not infinite

[west jackal]

righ

[viral tendon]

Like i picked up only 15

[west jackal]

you can scan for them ryan

[viral tendon]

In total and spent 10 on userless alien power shit

[west jackal]

but that is their only use

[viral tendon]

Ik

[dense violet]

... probably? ish? I've slooped shards early on but that's not a automated process. Just don't see the point of duping a production line

[viral tendon]

I never used them for overclock cuz there was nothing tht relly worth it

Ik you can take them back but really

[west jackal]

oh it isnt you then, someone said they were doing no DD or sloops

[steady glade]

is there a way to the amount unloaded fom a train?

[lime ermine]

It helps when you're making something like screws where you need a lot, or if you just don't have the resources for something

[dense violet]

ah no, I don't tend to put boxes around my play rules. I just don't like slooping or a lot of the alien mechanics

[leaden ether]

I used 20 sloops on the radio control unit floor of my electronics factory. They are incredibly expensive to make considering how many you need in the end.

[dense violet]

that's applicable to literally every system yo ucan make with anything. Plan your location out and import what you're missing

[lime ermine]

Yeah

[dense violet]

make 1/2 as many of the next step then? it's still just duping.

[fathom shuttle]

I’m using a blueprint that has like 20 constructors connected to the same input and output, and they’re double stacked so they take little space

[dense violet]

fair 🙂

[midnight fog]

so sloops are soft creative mode but dimensional storage is not? lol

[dense violet]

I tend to make very large systems after unlocking everything so basically is OCed

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll overclock stuff like water extractors, miners, powerplants and machines to balance things out

[leaden ether]

RCU are an unbalanced item and I used the built in balancing tool to correct it 🙂

[viral tendon]

Dimenisonal storage is pretty much op

[dense violet]

oh those are too.
they kill the need for even a reasonable transport system

[viral tendon]

Somersloops arent, there are not much on the map and you have to use them visely

[dense violet]

DDs are soft creative mode.

[west jackal]

I grew up without sloops. I will probably reserve them for the final production of late game items like super computers, rcu, pressure cubes etc

[midnight fog]

I know! I miss not having items on me

[viral tendon]

Fuck are dds

[fathom shuttle]

Have a couple of them on you and shift them around to where you need them lol

[dense violet]

or just use more of the regular resoruces as there's mountains of it on the map

[viral tendon]

I have a 5 of em currently, there's really nothing much i need em for

[primal haven]

or it just avoids people loading up resource trains

[viral tendon]

I;m jut comepleting phase 3 so it's prolly for a reason

[fathom shuttle]

I just realized I can make a 2m/min awesome shop set up with factories I have right now, this is crazy ngl

[west jackal]

ryan dd is dimensional depot, its basically an ender chest that can hold up to 5 of every item and you can automate replenishing

[dense violet]

whats wrong with designing logistics/transit systems to support your building in a logistics problem solving game?

[viral tendon]

It takes fucking forever to load them

And it has alright amount

[primal haven]

whats there to design? you just fill up cars and drive to a spot

[viral tendon]

But if you want them to be actually good

[dense violet]

no? build more of them and the upgrade speed is upped at basically no cost

[west jackal]

no? i can load them 120/min right now

[lost wagon]

DD is way to not have to run around restocking materials to build

[viral tendon]

Oh buddy, go around whole fucking map and find those purple spheres

[west jackal]

thats per depot...

and i havent gone far?

[wet quest]

Ok genuine question here. But i heard that satisfactory might be coming to consoles this year. Does anyone know anything about that and could fill me in?

[dense violet]

unless you're spamming huge bps constantly the DDs have infinite supply

[west jackal]

you said you were addicted to the game, but complain about one of the gameplay mechanics?

[dense violet]

no eta

[viral tendon]

You need like what 25 spheres

[wet quest]

Thank you.

[lost wagon]

you need around 100 mercer's balls to fully upgrade that research tree

[west jackal]

i have 2 stack upgrades and 3 speed, im not sure how many that was

[dense violet]

all incoming info will be in #announcements

[lost wagon]

if not more

[primal haven]

more than that I was wrong

[west jackal]

i still have like a dozen spheres for the depots

[viral tendon]

I'm not complaining i'm saying it's not cheating because you have to find a lot of spheres for them to actuallybe useful

[west jackal]

nah i live in desert, i ran to a few of the lakeside areas and were able to get enough upgrades that im happy with

[fathom shuttle]

Yea im not there yet, but I should probably overclock things more liberally because you can craft them in late game

[viral tendon]

Everything added in the game is not soft creative mode because it was added in the normal game

[wet quest]

And another genuine question. Does anyone have any tips for starting anew after not playing for a while? Or like any tips in general? I just started a new play through after not playing in like 6 months and i was hoping for some useful tips.

[viral tendon]

Well keep everything organized from start and try to not make spaghettis

Also count the things per minute if you didn't

[fathom shuttle]

Why would it be a soft creative mod in the first place, you are trying to pave over the whole planet solo while being sent to that planet by a super intelligent AI

[dense violet]

the tiers are basically a long tutorial.
give yourself extra space, plan things out, just learn teh basics while you go up

[fathom shuttle]

You’d think they’d at least have some form of matter teleportation lol

[lost wagon]

logistic drones in factorio is soft creative?

[dense violet]

creative modes are things added to a game.

[wet quest]

Thanks

[primal haven]

dont move on until you understand what youve already unlocked

[dense violet]

'something added to a game can't be thing that is added to game' <-- nonsense argument

[lost wagon]

because DD is doing the same thing

[viral tendon]

I'm not sure wht you're trying to say

[primal haven]

dont skip things because people say so, try them out yourself

[wet quest]

Thank you.

[viral tendon]

If something maks your life easier it's not soft creative mode(also added in the normal game)

[west jackal]

i picked back up after a year, got back in pretty fast. the tiers help, make sure to make yourself some nice blueprints once you unlock it, makes building easier

[next umbra]

I love dimensional depots and just explored the map to find the spheres. Took a break from building factories to violate wildlife’s habitats and stake my claim on their lands.

[viral tendon]

Normal game like normal campaign

[west jackal]

Exactly what I did. But i remember back in the day before they added DD actually building logistics to handle central storage

[viral tendon]

if you're tryhard who thinks anything that makes your life easier is soft creative mode go beat game without using machines

[west jackal]

i had drones and trains bringing in crates of cargo to my hub

[viral tendon]

Just do it on crafting bench, anything that isn't done by your hands is soft creative mode

[next umbra]

I still use central storage just for the vibe

[primal haven]

I think the biggest benefit of the blueprints early on is you can test out more complicated design ideas without spending a ton of time on it

[viral tendon]

Travel just without running

[lost wagon]

not sure how DD is "removing the need of transportation" anyway, you will need to transport resources from one factory to another at some point because not everything is close of eachother

[viral tendon]

Don't do mam researches, just have the hub and nothing else

[lost wagon]

what DD did was remove the need of a mall, you can still do it

[dense violet]

also terrible argument.
creative mode in a game is essentially not having to gatther materials for building yourself/dupping mechanics

sloops dupe (in a limited way), dds eliminate a substantial part of gathering parts process by easilly keeping your inventory full at all times

Soft creative mode. Not full creative mode.

[next umbra]

All the creativity of the game still exists even with DD

[primal haven]

creative mode is disabling game features to maximize time spent being creative

[dense violet]

malls were never needed, wasted more time building and designing the things than just having a quick transit system to hit up a couple factories

[primal haven]

thats not whats happening with a DD

[lost wagon]

Alternate Recipes is soft creative mode, because it removes the need of big production lines :^)

[west jackal]

i mean... he had just asked for advice when starting again after a long time

[dense violet]

it's why its a soft creative mode?

please read entire sentences

[stark crystal]

did they add left hand signals yet?

[primal haven]

My bad I was adding on to what you said not disagreeing. Might be helpful if coffeestain put in some sort of blueprint tutorial or just like a few samples

[primal haven]

Okay well you can sit on the fence all you want, its not creative mode

[west jackal]

alright, yeah, i built some but i seem to have lost them... the bps dont seem to cloud save...

[viral tendon]

Sloops dupe is really cheating but it's a singleplayer game, also dds do NOT elimineate a substantial part of gathering part process you can just get train to where u need with containers full of resources keeping your inventroy full at all times.

Dds are limited by amount of things and also limited by speed of loading, it's not just a fucking void where you can drop your item and you can get anything from there at any time

[lost wagon]

I wouldn't use DD if we had Logistic network, but we take what we can get

the personal drone mod sadly isn't that good

[west jackal]

i mean... DD does remove the need to bring items back to your hub?

[sharp sentinel]

What in tarnation are we debating this time?

[west jackal]

if DD is "soft creative mode"

[viral tendon]

Train with a lot f carts serves the same purpose as dd but for free

[naive pendant]

I do agree that the game would be better with Factorio style logistic drones over DD. (this is intentionally controversial)

[viral tendon]

Just get it when you need

[lost wagon]

"DD is cheating"

[viral tendon]

It's really not

[west jackal]

train not free, and slow

[delicate wren]

nope. is a valina part of the game that you work up to.

[primal haven]

i think the term "soft creative mode" is a bit absurd, and apparently a way to call the rest of us idiots for playing the game on creative

[west jackal]

i am not the one that said that!

[viral tendon]

Train travels 150 kmph and it doesn't require you go around the world seraching for spheres

[west jackal]

it was someone else, im just saying it removes some logistics (I think this is a good thing)

[delicate wren]

didnt mean you were, was just commenting

[west jackal]

its fun to explore, this game is about exploration and exploitation

[viral tendon]

The game is about building factory

[west jackal]

no

[viral tendon]

Ys

It's literally in the fucking name

[next umbra]

I think it depends on your play style and there isn’t a right or wrong way and arguing isn’t gonna solve anything

[west jackal]

that is a primary part. it isnt the only part

[ember locust]

what if it was both

[delicate wren]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[ember locust]

just a thought

[viral tendon]

Never said it's the only thing it's about

[west jackal]

the name is satisfactory not sat on a factory

yes you did? you said the game wasnt about exploring

[jaunty jewel]

^ you have to explore to find resources to make factories

[viral tendon]

You can live without exploration just use that scanning thingy and you can beat the game

[lost wagon]

the game is about creating global warming

[primal haven]

I thought the game was called "ADA Presents: Planetary Dominance Factory Edition"

[viral tendon]

If you meant by exploring like walking searching for things

[west jackal]

or nuclear exclusion zones

[sharp sentinel]

Now that I finally have a source of biofuel, time to try and hunt down enough mercer spheres to research all the depot upgrades.

[primal haven]

hey I just did that! I think our games are pretty close at the moment

im setting up my first fuel gen plant at the moment though

[west jackal]

im 20h in, i guess its time to go to tier 5 😦

oil time... yay...

[viral tendon]

Almost everything that was made by devs is not cheating

Or implemented

[primal haven]

im doing an ultra slow playthrough, 200 hours to get to oil!

[west jackal]

wow

[viral tendon]

Almost because some parts of the game could be mistakes like dupes or things they didn't mean to create but they turned out to be good and they kept it

[west jackal]

i got to oil in like 12h once, but it felt so rushed i didnt have the resources i needed.

[primal haven]

I went much faster the first playthrough, more focused on design this time

[sharp sentinel]

I already did my fuel gens. I have 13,773 MW of power right now. I am using 2000 something of it...

[west jackal]

unfortunately... i need plastic to automate HMF and i need HMF to handle producing plasitc...

[west jackal]

yea.. im using about 2000 MW but its all coal generated..

[sharp sentinel]

This save has been about me breaking out of my comfort zone so I worked on maximising a fuel generator area instead of making tons of perfectly sustained coal generators. I made a few of those too, because it makes my ADHD happy.

[viral tendon]

I love nobelisks

Especially cluster ones

[minor vale]

70 hours in and i'm near the end of phase 3.
All I have left to do really is upgrade my modular frame factory to make heavy ones.
And work on circuit board and computer production...
Though the later one of that might take a while sine I want to make a new power plant with packaged diluted fuel.

[primal haven]

I ended up using about 5.5GW before ending phase 2, I ran out of coal power and supplemented with 3 alien generators to carry me through

[lost wagon]

what's up with this game and invisible water

[minor vale]

now that I think about it I should probably also automate crystal oscilators.

[primal haven]

im not sure if ill roll my frame factory into the heavy one, or make a new one altogether

I collected a ton of hard drives so I have all the alts unlocked so far, so ill have to see what the recipes look like

[sharp sentinel]

I have spent too much time making generators. This save is at like 60 hours and I have 1/3 done for Phase 3.

[viral tendon]

So i spent 90 hours doing nothing and got to completeting phase 3 and like only jetpac from tier 5, i came back now i almost fnished phhase 3 and have absolutely fucking ginormous factory for no reason

[sharp sentinel]

But I'm having so much fun.

[primal haven]

im still not sure how to make a set of fuel gens look decent

I put my refineries on like an oil rig looking thing

[sharp sentinel]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1385791169950126141

I had fun troubleshooting mine.

[viral tendon]

Satisfactory gotta be top 5 most fun games i've played

[primal haven]

bah, I cant stack the generators because the exhaust looks ridiculous then

im probably just stuck doing some sort of 2x2 setup

[lost wagon]

alright, 10 balls, should be enough for now

[primal haven]

they are so boxxy and awkward

[primal haven]

did you already setup reanimated sam?

[lost wagon]

depends what you mean by setting up

[blissful brook]

does anyone know if sinks use power when idle? I'm trying to figure out some power fluctuations (no i do not have anything that does that, i just barely finished phase one on this save)

[wet quest]

Last question. Which area is the best for resources?

[primal haven]

hand crafting counts!

[minor vale]

do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

[wet quest]

Like early game.

[lost wagon]

i left a constructor in a cave doing them, can't do the other one yet until I send the thing to space

[minor vale]

that said, if you don't want to move a lot, the dune desert start will have just about everything you need up till oil

after oil you have to start moving out

[wet quest]

Thanks that helps a lot.

[blissful brook]

If you want a lot of pure nodes, there's a spot east of the rocky desert, about -500, -1500, with 4 pure iron and 2 pure copper. great place to start out. It also has a good place to make coal power just a little ways away

[lost wagon]

that one is closer to start on forest

[primal haven]

#screenshots message luckily havent gotten to the part where the generators arent working right and I cant figure out why lol

[lost wagon]

than rocky desert

[primal haven]

Im thinking about putting the generators off to the left of the refineries

[naive pendant]

Awesome sinks do go idle below like 30 i/minute. Something like that.

[solemn glacier]

in the western rocky desert there is is also a good place at around -2700 -500 which has copper, a few iron, is close to a lot of water, and at least 3 pure oil nodes south of it

[primal haven]

I started my save around -1800, -1200, sort of nearby. Theres good nodes farther north like SAM and sulfur, but there might be some by the spot you mentioned too

[fathom shuttle]

How many points do I need for the golden nut statue?

[primal haven]

does that area have any coal by it?

[minor vale]

just focus on the ticket cost.
the number of points you need per ticket goes up for every ticket you earn.
Indifinantly.

[primal haven]

@north widget what happened to those pipes?!

[solemn glacier]

north

[primal haven]

thats pretty far, personally id rather be a bit closer to coal than oil early on but if its past phase 2 then it doesnt much matter

although it might be interesting to stick to the coast there between the two

[lost wagon]

coal you can just truck or spaghetti belt

[blissful brook]

that's where I made my first playthrough's base

[lost wagon]

I have a massive belt bringing coal to a factory around the hub because there was no other way to bring the coal to it

until I get trains

[solemn glacier]

this is where i am right now

i have a train line going all the way down the coast for all my material transportation needs

[minor vale]

i'm about to start making my own train line
again

last time I made my train system a combination car highway system
And whiel it worked it... was not a good idea

because... there's no reason to use the car highway part

[blissful brook]

I hate making starting steel factories, because I know i'm gonna tear it all down for when I unlock encased industrial ingots

[lost wagon]

well, just don't, once you unlock go build somewhere and leave behind the memory

[minor vale]

do the bare minimum and put it in the dimensional depot for personal use.
And then find a better spot to do a proper setup.

[primal haven]

yeah i had to setup a fuel station near some coal, and then I had trucks stop by just for refueling in between their stops

the routes would have been much longer If i wasnt closer to the coal though

[lost wagon]

mine is high up in the crater lakes

there is no way to have a truck go there lmao

[primal haven]

I could set up just one long truck route though to bring it in

[minor vale]

do it
Trucks are cool

[lost wagon]

but that was for the factories I did on the beginning, now I am just building them around everywhere

[primal haven]

you know what, I might not have really been to the crater lakes

this map is huge

i spent a ton of time in the grasslands and then the oil lake in the southeast my first playthrough, I havent explored much till this playthrough

[blissful brook]

small issue: there are 3 pure iron, 3 pure coal, and 4 normal limestone nodes. its perfect for a steel factory

[minor vale]

there's always more coal iron and limestone.

[lost wagon]

well, the thing I realized is that starting on the perfect spot isn't that good precisely because what you're talking about, unless you're planning to do a run where you don't destroy a factory, just add do it

a lot of production lines also doesn't really use enough ores to warrant a Pure vein, obviously unless you're making factories to make thousands a minute

but that's late game stuff

[minor vale]

in my last save I went completely overboard and made a factory that produced 200 iodine filters per minute
and 200 normal gas filters per minute ontop of that.

[next umbra]

You can still have pretty sufficient crafting tho. It’s always where I start steel at. Usually more beams to start with than migrate to pipes once I get an alternate recipe.

[blissful brook]

I'm thinking of just getting the advanced steel production research and just buying the needed industrial ingots to make some miner mk 2s

I have so many tickets

[next umbra]

I wish I knew what tickets were

jk jk

[north widget]

bad stuff they had to go over eachother lol

is the magnetic field generator meant to be easy to get

like im not crazy right there so easy to get

[primal haven]

kind of, you dont need a lot of them

or is that the 1000 one

[north widget]

its the 500 one

its just flexible framwork and electomagnetic rods

[tranquil hemlock]

Nothing in this game quite as infuriating as the sound of the power fuse blowing 🥲

[north widget]

i feel like the adpative thing that takes heavy frames and computers is harder to get then the magnetic generator but its a tier higher

[primal haven]

I didnt really find any of the last items too difficult, but it depends if you are just trying to make barely enough to finish, or if you are making whole factories for each part

I basically took enough of the items to make 500, put them in containers and waited for them to finish

im planning to make factories for each one this time though so thats far more involved

[exotic oak]

is there a channel for item/buildings recommendations for being added to the game? (doubt it but was just wondering)

[minor vale]

this is why I go full perfectionist when I do power setups.

So I never have to deal with that.

[north widget]

my best factory right now is the power one i just made

i loev making power stuff

[primal haven]

im building in that exact spot right now

I think i see your fuel gens behind the nuclear?

[fathom shuttle]

Lol, how did you get that idea in the first place

[tranquil hemlock]

Fair. I'm on a new save, just setting up the coal power plants now. Tried to hook up the water extractors to start filling the plants and pipes, and immediately overloaded all my biomass burners XD Had to temporarily unhook one of my basic parts factories until the plants are ready to turn on

[minor vale]

because I like using truck stations so I thought why not combine the two and I can use them as needed

but it ended being that I Just..... never used the trucks on the highway

[fathom shuttle]

Converters are unlocked at tier 9 right

[minor vale]

because the trains were there.

[fathom shuttle]

😂 amazing

[minor vale]

I used blueprints to do most of the work of building it all.

And I made that highway/train line go from the dune desert, to the rocky desert, down to the west coast to the grasslands.

[primal haven]

the car highway part is for trucks!

[lost wagon]

my next run will probably be on dunes, there at least I probably will use more of trucks since it's mostly flat

[minor vale]

it's a lot less flat than you'd think it was.
I ended up building a lot of roads for the area.

[lost wagon]

yea, I am avoding using foundations to make road, they look an eye sore on the ground

maybe if it had a chameleon foundation that takes the look of the surface it's on, that would be pretty good

[primal haven]

#screenshots message Heres mine! whats yours look like?

I had laid the road separately so its not in the BP

[minor vale]

#design-and-architecture message
#design-and-architecture message
Here's some examples.

[primal haven]

dang nice curves on the roads

[minor vale]

#design-and-architecture message
Found some better images I have posted.

[primal haven]

I keep expecting to see billboards on the frames above the roads

[minor vale]

you'd think
And that was Meant to be part of the plan
Unfortunately I never got enough use out of the road parts to bother using them.

[stark crystal]

i need to deliver 400 items per minute but the conveyers i have access to only deliver 270 items per minuet does anyone know a workaround?

[minor vale]

...use 2 belts

[honest void]

Hey, is there a way to see the hub's available upgrades while being away?

[stark crystal]

but its comming out of one port

[primal haven]

thats fair, it still looks good, really rugged sort of like a concrete highway id see near my hometown

[primal haven]

youll likely need to split it into more than one machine

what are you building?

[minor vale]

then under clock the machine and use 2 machines.

[stark crystal]

only one deposit within my range

[west jackal]

then import from another

[primal haven]

oh its from a miner

[west jackal]

or scale down production

[primal haven]

yeah that sort of is a hard bottleneck, you could truck in from a far away node

[minor vale]

Then no, you can't output more from the one machine.

either deal with the lower input till you get a better belt or go inport more from another node.

[primal haven]

its not as bad as it sounds

in my first save I ran like kilometer long belts too

I wouldnt do it now but its always an easy idea

[minor vale]

that was indeed the goal. hell you can even see I had billboards on some of my blueprints I was using.
#design-and-architecture message

...its just an unforatunate truth that if you have a train line setup already, having put in all that effort to build it.

it's... usually just 10 times easier to use the train line, rather than figure out fuel and driving the route.

[primal haven]

yeah I used trucks a ton up to phase 2 but not going very far, my road is far longer. Im thinking about just having trucks and cars run routes for cosmetic reasons

Im a huge fan of when they run into stuff, including myself

and it makes the game feel a bit more alive, I might give them names

[stark crystal]

the next node is about 5 kms away

[minor vale]

that aint too far

[primal haven]

what resource is 5km between nodes?

[minor vale]

...also yea wait, what resource are you going for rn that scarce on mk3 belts?

[misty hawk]

whats the best way to spread two machine outputs to three machines? just merger then splitter?

[minor vale]

yea

[stark crystal]

ceranium sorry idk how to spell

[primal haven]

yeah that ones easy just because splitters have 3 outputs

[minor vale]

....caterium?

[stark crystal]

the quick wire stuff

[minor vale]

yea caterium

ok that makes sense.

[primal haven]

I ended up just using one node for both wire and AI limiters

[minor vale]

yea ngl, for now just deal with the lower output.
you'll be able to expand a lot more once you get refineries and MK4 belts.

[primal haven]

just split off some of the wire to go into cloud or storage

is caterium really that scarce?

I had one right next to my base but I didnt look for another one yet

[cyan garnet]

Alternatively you can over/underclock so that it’s 2:2 or 3:3 machines and direct feed

[minor vale]

It kind of is but you also produce so much quickwire from a single node you don't often need more than 1 for a given project.

[misty hawk]

i dont beieve i have reached overclocking

[cyan garnet]

You unlock it in the MAM

Don’t sleep on MAM research

[misty hawk]

yeah in the power slug thing i havent got that yet

[minor vale]

go find them then and reseaerch it. it's very useful

[primal haven]

they let you increase the production of machines so you can use less of them

[cyan garnet]

slugs are easy to find, especially at night

[primal haven]

also i think you cant underclock until then?

[minor vale]

correct

[cyan garnet]

Yep. Being able to change clock speeds is one of the most powerful logistics tools in the game. Match outputs to inputs and make your factories run 100% efficiently

[primal haven]

I think I might try to do a 1:1 type thing for my next factory, I havent really used underclocking much

[cyan garnet]

Not as necessary in the early game as all the recipes have decent multiples of each other (30 ingots for 30 ore, etc). but later in the game the numbers require more direct consideration

[lost wagon]

and early overproducing isn't bad since you can just pull a splitter to get some stored for building stuff

but once you have somewhere in the map a factory to just make those resources then you will want to match everything or just sink everywhere

[primal haven]

plus machines turning off and giving you power back usually ends up being useful

the power struggle is real early on

[lost wagon]

if you're doing a lot of machines yea

but not that bad if you just run around getting wood from time to time

[primal haven]

I mean even after that. I remember my first play through that fuse would pop and id panic

[minor vale]

power struggle early on is easy to manage ngl.
It's very easy to just belt to a ton of biomass burners and automate solid biofuel production.

[primal haven]

I basically used the pray-I-have-enough method

this time i have power problems, but because im building as much as I can as early as I can

[lost wagon]

my first playthrough I would just biomass everything manually until coal lmao

because I wasn't sure how much a chore it would be to keep getting them, but if you get solid biofuel turns out you don't have to get a billion wood

[primal haven]

I have I think a GW going just to lighting right now

and im generating 5GW

[sour ledge]

don't feel too bad - my first playthrough i just manually burned raw wood and leaves, no biomass at all. Was absolutely livid over how quickly materials ran out and spent soooooo much time chainsawing things....

[primal haven]

Lol I stuck with biomass longer too, I tried setting up coal and did it wrong and I kept blowing a fuse when it would dip

[sour ledge]

lemme guess: 360 water needed but pipes can only hold 300, and you didn't have it coming from both ends?

i ran into that with coal early on too and was so annoyed

[primal haven]

yeah im pretty sure I had it all combined into one pipe at first

and then I went through 3 or 4 different configurations splitting it up after that

[sour ledge]

3 water extractors to 8 coal on one pipe! it all mathed out so perfectly! and then the stupid pipe bottleneck

[minor vale]

a statisfactory player's first hurdle

reading

[primal haven]

that was my first manifold though

i had an awful splitting system setup before that lol

[sharp sentinel]

I just realised I'm very dumb.

[tranquil hemlock]

Starts scanning a hard drive early game
"Please be cast screws. Please be cast screws. Please be cast screws."

[lost wagon]

cast screws and iron wire early

[sharp sentinel]

Instead of building a fuel generator setup on this pure oil node, I spent 4 hours building a system to generate 300 petroleum coke for five coal generators from it. Using two completely unnecessary refineries to do it too...

[primal haven]

my third favorite is iron pipe

[lost wagon]

iron pipe is good too, cut a lot of machines needed

[minor vale]

tfw I mess up my blueprint because it's sitting too high in the designer.

[tranquil hemlock]

Don't think I've ever had a need for iron wire. There's plenty of copper around, it's pretty easy to produce plenty of wire, at least as far as I've experienced

[primal haven]

It made it simpler to deal with unlocking pipe and beams at the same time, since I only really had to figure out the beams

[cyan garnet]

Iron wire and iron pipe can be handy, allows you to make motors with only iron

[primal haven]

I like it because you can change some factories into iron only factories

[lost wagon]

makes you be able to pull everything from 1 miner

[tranquil hemlock]

I know, I just haven't ever needed it XD Maybe I'll run into an encounter later on when it's useful

[primal haven]

i mostly use copper in foundries with iron

[sharp sentinel]

God, I got too into the coal grind again. I feel so dumb, but it was so mentally consuming I didn't even realise until just now.

[primal haven]

and then i have a small node making wire and cable and sheets for cloud

[minor vale]

we can all agree that solid steel ingot is the best though.

[tranquil hemlock]

What's that one again? I can't recall it

[primal haven]

probably not the best alt recipe but its an upgrade for sure

[minor vale]

it's where you use iron ingots instead of iron ore to make steel ingots.

[primal haven]

it lets you make more steel ingots out of less iron

[lost wagon]

gonna take awhile to sink all these wires from the old factory

[primal haven]

instead of 1:1 is 2:3

[minor vale]

and in return you get a 2:3 ratio of iron in to steel out.

[primal haven]

I guess the downside is more machines?

[minor vale]

the downside is more machines and more power with the smelters but it's such a small downside that i Consider it a non factor.

[tranquil hemlock]

Fair enough. I'd still rather cast screws though XD My modular frame blueprint I brought over from my last save needs it 😅

[primal haven]

i had to deal with something like 600 screws with mark 3 belts in my smart plate factory and I hated it

screws are the worst

[minor vale]

I wish we had half foundation lenght industrial railings.
They are a lot nicer looking than modern railings

[primal haven]

yeah, I almost never use the industrial railings because of this

I like them better too though

[tranquil hemlock]

I did not get my cast screws 🥲 Whelp, time to figure out a new design for modular frames using normal screws

[honest void]

Hey, what is that purple liquid I need to combine with certain things? How do I obtain it?

[minor vale]

that is so incredibly non specific that no one can give you an asnwer

[lost wagon]

oil probably

heavy oil residue is purple

[tropic bear]

is there to apply a swatch to all buildings in the game and stay that way

[dense violet]

change the default swatch

[cyan garnet]

Are you talking about heavy oil residue? Or maybe strange alien matter (SAM)?

[prisma forge]

I decided to make a new standard for the wiring in my factories: Now instead of a power pole and wires spreading all around, I'm using beams and outlets. And I just decided to re-do the wiring in each and every single factory of mine.
To make them look better?
Yes. But also to torture my own mind even further.

[fathom shuttle]

The 24 smelters in a single blueprint thing is so nice

[west jackal]

Do priority mergers exist?

[lost wagon]

default swatch for whatever reason doesn't recolor already built pipes

[prisma forge]

Day and night.
I toss and turn, I keep stressing my mind.

[prisma forge]

they do tho

[west jackal]

Sam is solid? I assume its HOR

[lost wagon]

I changed the default while looking at a pipe, still orange

had to paint manually

[prisma forge]

did you change the pipeline swatch?

[lost wagon]

yes

[prisma forge]

weird, mine changed automatically

even already built pipes

[cyan garnet]

Yes SAM is solid, but question was so incredibly vague though so I figured I’d check

[lost wagon]

yes, pretty sure

[minor vale]

they do now

[primal haven]

i think heavy oil residue is a biproduct until you unlock the alt recipe for it

[prisma forge]

yes

[ivory condor]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Priority_Merger wonder what this is

[primal haven]

it lets you choose one belt over another to prioritize

so if you are merging two belts to one, and you want one of the belts to always go first if possible

[lost wagon]

how do I check stack size of items before crafting a billion of them and figuring it out

[prisma forge]

You don't

[primal haven]

its pretty random

[dense violet]

wiki is useful for that sort of thing. Not sure what stack size has got to do with crafting a billion things.

craft however many you need

[primal haven]

stack size does affect how many can fit in a container or transport at a time

[lost wagon]

it was for nobelisk, but I guess I could just put one in the DD and see

sinks are twins and while one is being used you can't dismantle the other wtf

oh wait, it's on blueprint mode

[worthy pebble]

When making factories that use materials i dont have a factory for is it smart to make it dual purpose?

[open tree]

||50 per stack||

[fathom shuttle]

#screenshots I’m so proud

[open tree]

Well done.

[prisma forge]

I went all the way to phase 4 without using blueprints in my first playthrough

[minor vale]

i've only ever used blueprints for train networks.

[west jackal]

it is, if you NEED it, then you produce rubber and sink the rubber

or, get the alt. Which is why im drive hunting right now, need HOR and diluted packaged fuel alts 😉

makes fuel plant a mess... but its best power/fuel ratio at t5

[lost wagon]

it's kinda satisfying just have a trash storage where you just go and dump everything and it goes to the sink with a fast belt

[warped pawn]

same, its hard to make good designs ngl

[west jackal]

hehe, yeah i have a blueprint with train tracks and conveyor/power hookups for moving items 😄

and a hypertube under it

[warped pawn]

i have a bp like that

[dense violet]

why are you makign a factory for stuff you don't need?

[warped pawn]

who is brah brah speaking to

[west jackal]

who?

[dense violet]

@worthy pebble

[worthy pebble]

what im doing is making a factory for automated wiring but i dont have a factory for stators so should i produce both in the same factory

[lost wagon]

I think they're asking about making the factories from raw instead of transporting from an factory to another

[west jackal]

id say it depends on how many you neeed

[lost wagon]

making every factory independent is a way to do it

[west jackal]

typically i make stators rotors and motors at the same factory

[lost wagon]

usually how I do it too, unless the veins are far away from what I need then I do half of the factory in one part and transpot to the other

[warped pawn]

dont make a factory for automated wiring, just make a temp setup

[west jackal]

exactly what i do 🙂

[worthy pebble]

ok thanks

[dense violet]

or just funnel items you're already making into some bins

don't need to make a fully automated factory for space parts

[west jackal]

also id say skip smart plating because you need it for other things but for that youll likely remake the factory anyways

[minor vale]

you can if you want but fully automating space eleavator parts isn't often worth the effort.
Fully automating every non space eleavtor part so you can just, do whatever? yea tho

[lost wagon]

automated wiring isn't used for future recipes?

[warped pawn]

if youd like i can send blueprint files for all spaceship parts

[dense violet]

for other space parts sure. But you can feed them from big bins too

[worthy pebble]

on another topic, what do you guys think is the most central spot in the map without many ore nodes nearby

[steady glade]

probably around grassy fields i guess

[warped pawn]

reb bamboo forest but theres tons of trees, but no nodes around

[sour ledge]

there's a big ol' "void" zone of useless materials north of the lake in the middle of the map, that'd prolly be it

i mean there's still water and trees, but no nodes

[worthy pebble]

ok

[fathom shuttle]

There is a spot near my base with 8 impure iron nodes

So useless

[frail sleet]

more useful than 2 pure nodes

[worthy pebble]

what tier do trains unlock

[fathom shuttle]

Tier 6

[primal haven]

I would, theres some good spots with copper and iron right next to each other, iron wire and iron pipe helps

[fathom shuttle]

True lol, but that’s a lot of powershards to max them out

[frail sleet]

Best use of powershards 😄

[dense violet]

why? 2 impure nodes are just 1 normal node

[frail sleet]

at absolute worst you just don't use any and combine the belts and it's like having 2 pure nodes

but in p3 you will get hundreds of power shards easily

[warped pawn]

powershards are best used for ore nodes

[north widget]

would you guys say 4.8 modular frames a minute is good

[lost wagon]

my dude I had 3 a minute for the longest time

[primal haven]

you will probably build more later on but its good for early

[north widget]

just took me around 2 hours to build

[primal haven]

if you let them build up in containers for ages then you wont need to build more

[north widget]

anyone know the best most efficient hyper tube like can someone send a picture in screen shots

kidna stuck at my fused modular frame farm

[primal haven]

hyper tube cannon?

[fathom shuttle]

How many batteries do you usually need

[primal haven]

#screenshots message

not sure if its most bestest but its what I use

I think its like 10 or so is pretty far, 14-16 is across the map. entrances I mean

[last jungle]

ohh so thats how u make those particle accelerator things that launch u into space

[primal haven]

6-8 is just a short launch

[last jungle]

i was like "how do i attach an entrance to the middle of a hypertube"

[fathom shuttle]

Just look it up on YouTube

[primal haven]

they really should let us snap on entrances

[fathom shuttle]

There one minute guides, literally the easiest to set up

[solemn glacier]

i use 6-8 long to travel between bases

fastest way ever

[last jungle]

is there a hotkey to instantly load a save

[dense violet]

it gets faster as you get experience building. Use a good planner like satisfactorytools

[solemn glacier]

no

[last jungle]

alr

[solemn glacier]

last i checked at least tho

[lost wagon]

only with mods

[fathom shuttle]

I can’t move further in the game without automating computers, heavy modular frames, AI limiters, high speed connectors
All will be needed to craft super computers and radio control units

[primal haven]

ai limiters are easy

[solemn glacier]

i would reccomend piggybacking hmf off of frame production

[fathom shuttle]

Fused frames?

[solemn glacier]

heavy modular frames

[fathom shuttle]

No what frame production do you mean

[solemn glacier]

modular

[fathom shuttle]

Oh

Yes that’s my plan

[solemn glacier]

yeah

[minor vale]

Make a very large modular frame factory
port 90% into heavy modular frames
Port 90% of heavy modular frames into the next thing later on.

[fathom shuttle]

But for now I’ll need to set up basic processing for resources like iron ingots, copper ingots etc

[solemn glacier]

it only takes a few hrs to set up the frame/hmf plant

[fathom shuttle]

My grand plan is to eventually sink the director assembly systems for 1.5m/min points

[solemn glacier]

another couple for computers

[fathom shuttle]

My only problem is that I’ll probably need to train the copper in and find some caterium

[minor vale]

that doesn't seem like a huge issue.

[dense violet]

find a place with copper and caterium. It exists

[solemn glacier]

i built my computer plant on the West coast, so I just trained in the copper off of the cliffs

[swift goblet]

good evening

[fathom shuttle]

Nevermind

I have normal nodes within 500m

[solemn glacier]

good

[west jackal]

how do you build hypertube cannons nowadays? the tubing tries to connect to the previous launcher segment

[solemn glacier]

I just use blueprints

[minor vale]

place down a bunch of tube supports first then place the tubes n stuff down

[fathom shuttle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/cTtNLxPmRWk?si=-YDfPmm_kN-aNmtx

[swift goblet]

noob question...how do you make the hypertube 'branch' and 'junction' work?

[fathom shuttle]

Make it in a blueprint so you don’t have to do it everytime

[west jackal]

ah, perfect thank you

[primal haven]

you have to build the entrances at the end over top of supports

[fathom shuttle]

So I’m going for 20/min HMF, and 20/min computers

[winter scaffold]

weird question, How do I get readdicted to satisfactory

[fathom shuttle]

Only have the base recipe for the computers unlock tho, is there a better one?

[solemn glacier]

the base recipie worked fine for me

you just need oil and copper

[minor vale]

I liked using caterium computer
the uh one wiht quickwire.

[fathom shuttle]

Get addicted to meth, and when you get withdraws you start playing satisfactory so you get addicted. Not a doctors advice tho

[solemn glacier]

you also get some 250MW out of it

[fathom shuttle]

Hmm I’ll check it out later

[swift goblet]

how do you make the hypertube junction and branch work while inside the hypertube?

[winter scaffold]

What if I dont have access to meth

[solemn glacier]

use cocaine

[fathom shuttle]

Make some

[west jackal]

dang... first death bc i tried testing the launcher... worked a little too well

[fathom shuttle]

Automate it so you get nostalgic for satisfactory

[warped pawn]

should i make a segmented factory or a industrial looking factory

[solemn glacier]

make sure to wear a jetpack or parachute

[winter scaffold]

Make it look non spaghetti

[west jackal]

havent made the jetpack yet...

[warped pawn]

so segmented

[winter scaffold]

Sure why not

[worthy pebble]

is 15 encased beams good

a minute

or should i do 30

[west jackal]

normally i have tubes with launchers to accelerate, this is safe, but im being cheap lol

[winter scaffold]

Early game its pretty good already

U can prolly get away with like 5pm

[swift goblet]

how do you make the hypertube junction and branch work while inside of the hypertube?

[solemn glacier]

especially with it going to a storage container

[west jackal]

hold the direction on keyboard

[swift goblet]

thank you

[fathom shuttle]

Get more, you’ll need it for heavy modular frames

If you’re still early game 16 is good enough tho

[worthy pebble]

ill do a seperate factory for HMF

[fathom shuttle]

But keep in mind you’ll need them for mk4 belts, so make a container for them

[west jackal]

bruh 10 p/min is more than enough if youre not using for hmf

[winter scaffold]

wait mk4 belts is encased beams?

isnt it rubber?

Did I jump universes or something 😭

[fathom shuttle]

It is encased beams

[winter scaffold]

💀 Im cooked

[fathom shuttle]

Yes they used rubber in another universe, I was there

[worthy pebble]

does anybody else use these websites or am i going crazy
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[winter scaffold]

I do

[swift goblet]

yes

[winter scaffold]

I cant do math in my head

[fathom shuttle]

You should use them for big projects

[winter scaffold]

Can I use that to figure out how much 30 iron ore becomes plates?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea

You can also just press n in the game

and calculate there

[winter scaffold]

I just realized I have 2 Ms on my keyboard 😭

[fathom shuttle]

Lol

[worthy pebble]

i know, look

[fathom shuttle]

The n shortcut is amazing tbh

[worthy pebble]

how do i send a screenshot because it wont let me paste it

[fathom shuttle]

It’s amazing how when you build a large concrete floor, it seems too big but once you start building it seems so small lol

[fathom shuttle]

#screenshots

[worthy pebble]

thanks

[fathom shuttle]

Np

[west jackal]

the hypertube junctions arent letting me change direction... i thought holding direction worked but it doesnt seem to

custom junctions work but i wanted to try the new ones

the branch, not junction

[fathom shuttle]

Nice, for the automated wiring i recommend you make 2 ISC loads of it because you’ll need them later

[worthy pebble]

ok

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll start planning my factory as well

What website should I use? Satisfactory calculator or tools

[west jackal]

tools. no question

[solemn glacier]

scim

[worthy pebble]

i use calculator for map

tools for planning

[west jackal]

heck no. scim is ass for planning

[solemn glacier]

it lets you check off things tho

[west jackal]

its far inferior to tools

[solemn glacier]

what makes tools better

[west jackal]

literally everything about it.

[frail sleet]

Tools for recipe calculation, Modeller for complex builds using Tools recipies so that there aren't 50 overlapping lines

[austere berry]

Hey still new to trains so i wanted to ask if i want to get heavy refined oil and crude oil back home from the area i got my 4 oil extractors am i best to use fluid trian or am i ok with packing them into drums like i got atm

[frail sleet]

packaging is probably easier, but refining the oil where it spawns and shipping the products are better

[warped pawn]

packaging is easier but u will need a lot of packagers

[tropic bear]

what does headlift exceeding recommended level mean?

[tawdry moth]

sometimes I wish the characters were bigger

I feel too small in my factory and can’t keep track

[fathom shuttle]

No fluid will flow

[austere berry]

i felt the same sometimes XD

[austere berry]

ty

just because i needed Rubber to make the modular engine for the elevator

[dense violet]

either. Butgenerally easier to just use it on location

[warped pawn]

just make a temp setup, making a factory is a waste

[frail sleet]

you do need em later

i think it's better to advise over automation than under

and breadth of automation (many different parts) rather than scale (amount)

[west jackal]

when did they increase fuel required for gens????

[frail sleet]

alpha, if ever

[west jackal]

alpha? no.

[frail sleet]

I am 100% sure that it has been the same since 1.0

[west jackal]

pre 1.0 is not alpha

and im asking about pre 1.0

[frail sleet]

yeah it is, beta is a feature-complete testing stage and CSS didn't do a public beta (Update 8 wasn't feature complete, new features for 1.0 were privately tested).

[dense violet]

1.0

[west jackal]

damn :/

[dense violet]

why? they put out more power now too

[solemn glacier]

pre 1.0 was early access

not alpha

[frail sleet]

it was both (a version of alpha which had paid early access)

[west jackal]

it was EA thats what it was called. technically it may have been alpha, but alpha was much earlier.

[west jackal]

maybe, but i built a factory without realizing it had changed

[oblique aspen]

"feature complete" is a moving target, since 1.1 added new features, clearly 1.0 was not complete, hence its alpha 😛

[west jackal]

which is why its stupid to call it alpha when everyone in the community refererred to before 1.0 as EA

[frail sleet]

1.0, the first release build, sets the bar for which features are considered baseline or not. Later additions don't change that.

[solemn glacier]

yes

[west jackal]

nah, U1 did that. before fluids were fluid

[oblique aspen]

in gaming alpha is typically considered that if its fundamentally incomplete, not because some content is missing

[west jackal]

when the conveyor belt from the oil node supplied my base with fuel

[solemn glacier]

yeah

[frail sleet]

alpha is a test stage for software that isn't feature complete. Beta is a test stage for software that is feature complete, i.e. it just has polish and bugfixes but nothing else before going to release.

[solemn glacier]

so that would put pre 1.0 at beta

[frail sleet]

There wasn't any public testing of some 1.0 features, so any beta was internal

[west jackal]

aeryn im aware of the technical definitions, im a software developer. that doesnt mean that pre 1.0 is alpha

[frail sleet]

the kind of equivelant to a 1.0 beta would be 1.0 experimental, but it did not exist for spoiler protection etc

[west jackal]

and even if it is, thats not what it was referred to as

[frail sleet]

Like Greeny with the SI system, i don't really care if people referred to it wrongly (intentionally or otherwise) at some point in the distant past

the definitions are what they are, and haven't changed. It would be more confusing to twist and replace official english language definitions so that the words mean something else because a tiny niche of people made that mistake in one particular community 5 years ago. What happens if 20 different people make similar but different mistakes in different friend groups or chat rooms? In such a case, accuracy is more important than continuity.

[worthy pebble]

how do/should i do a manifold for 4 foundries

[west jackal]

erm, manifold by definition is your answer

[minor vale]

the same as you would for any other manifold
Just stack the belts ontop of one another for each input

[frail sleet]

you shouldn't, just put 2 splitters in front of them and feed those with 1 splitter. Fewer parts, more compact, better function.

Manifold only becomes part of time efficient with more than 4 (and especially more than 8) buildings.

[dense violet]

two lines of belts, with splitters. like every manifold

[west jackal]

is it worth building a large fuel setup or should i scrape by with a couple GW and set up a huge blended tfuel

[minor vale]

don't do blended turbofuel

[west jackal]

did that get nerfed?

[minor vale]

No

[dense violet]

either. But you can do a packaged diluted fuel set up easily

[minor vale]

diluted fuel is just usually stronger.

diluted into standard turbofuel

[frail sleet]

turbo blend fuel is highly efficient, it's the rocket one which is resource inefficient (but incredibly simple)

[west jackal]

ive done that in the past, but i thought tfuel was better

the issue with blend is it needs blenders which means aluminum

[dense violet]

better is extremely subjective

every processing step of fuel to the next stage effectively just turns other resources into more oil

because you can always just turn more oil into diluted fuel

[trim vine]

If you can do blended turbofuel, just go for rocket fuel honestly

[solemn glacier]

exactly like this
#screenshots message

[dense violet]

I like blended TF because it means I don't have to go searching for coal and sulfur, just sulfur

[west jackal]

aight, ig ill do diluted i just cant find the damn alt for that and HOR

[trim vine]

I mean, you just need the casings, which you can set to craft for a bit

[dense violet]

if yo'ure going rocket fuel, just go nuclear at that point

[frail sleet]

rocket fuel > diluted fuel > turbofuel

exception for making a turbofuel plant which is basically just "most of a rocket fuel plant" but missing the P4 pieces, to fill out after you get to P4.

[west jackal]

er... i am not at a phase that i can do that

[trim vine]

Then how would you do blended turbofuel?

[west jackal]

so i would be need to increase coal power

[worthy pebble]

anyone know what the max carry is for mk2 conveyers

[west jackal]

to get there. I mean the main things i need to automate are computers and hmf before i move on

[trim vine]

120....?

[west jackal]

mk2? 120

[worthy pebble]

thats what i thought

[west jackal]

mk3 270
mk4 480

[worthy pebble]

thanks

[dense violet]

it's pretty simple. Make your life easier by making the packaged diluted fuel refineries 1:1 with the packagers

[trim vine]

or push blenders and just make it without the packaging nonsense

[trim vine]

(Works great, just annoying to get going)

[west jackal]

1:1? isnt it like 3 gens per packager?

i get underclocking, but seems like that would take a LOT more space

[trim vine]

the overall ratio of fuel is whats great

[dense violet]

packager -> refinery -> unpackager
deal withe hte pipes after however you like

you can turn it into a simple Blueprint easily

and essentially unlock having a massive diluted fuel station as soon as you unlock fuel

[trim vine]

HOWEVER, with the packing set up, you need to be very percise with how you "recycle" your empty containers, they need to go to where they came from, and not a massive merge, or it will shut down

[west jackal]

i cant find the alts, that is what I was working on though

[trim vine]

go find every hard drive in the world, ez pz

[dense violet]

You'll get there 🙂 besides, every other alt you unlock isn't wasted, just more opportunity for later

[west jackal]

nah adhered plates sucks

[minor vale]

setting up a packaged diluted fuel setup with canister recylcing is very a very fun challenge though.

[west jackal]

ive done it once

[trim vine]

it is for veterans, dare I say, but for anyone on the newer side of things, at any kind of megafactory scale, might be crushing 😛

[dense violet]

adhered plates is an acquired taste.

[solemn glacier]

just precraft all the canisters

[minor vale]

first time I ever did diluted fuel, I did a full packaged setup. Back in like, update 8

[trim vine]

getting containers aint a problem, its recycling them percisely

[trim vine]

you brave soul ❤️

[west jackal]

i did one in U8 that was something like 1400 crude. Im going to try and do 1800 this time

[solemn glacier]

ill have to try it (just for fun ;)

[west jackal]

bigger issue is my power grid cant support it, so ill need to activate in small sections

[trim vine]

I'm facing my fears and getting ready to do 4200 oil recycled plastics/rubber factory

[minor vale]

satisfactory tools is having issues helping me math out turbofuel setups right now.
Which is annoying.

[trim vine]

after the 1800 recycled plant, how hard can it be?

[minor vale]

since I wanted to make a point.

[trim vine]

whats the point?

[minor vale]

about the effeciency of diluted fuel into turbo fuel versus turbofuel blend.

[west jackal]

are you saying i need to get even more fuel?

[trim vine]

no, I'm just stating my upcoming project to finish out phase 4

[trim vine]

turbofuel blend is horrendous, though simple

[west jackal]

im hearing that I need to do 1950 oil

[dense violet]

and?

[trim vine]

you should do multiples of 600, 1800 is fine

[west jackal]

well 2550 is all of the crude in the area im looking

[trim vine]

Northern Coast?

[west jackal]

yea

[trim vine]

dont forget about the couple of nodes just in front of the desert biome

including them, I got to 4350, but I wont be using one of the impure ones

[minor vale]

the point is that gennerally speaking, that diluted fuel into normal turbofuel recipe is usually the best way to go about things

[west jackal]

thats 3750

[trim vine]

fuck me, lemme go math again

[dense violet]

better is subjective. It's often more convenient to only have to move the sulfur

if you don't need that oil for anything else and it's making you enough fuel, Blended TF is just fine

[west jackal]

7 impure 4 normal and 2 pure 7x150 + 4x300 + 2x600

wait i mathed wrong too

[trim vine]

2 pure for 1200
6 normal for 1800
9 impure for 1350

Add that up is 4350, no?

[swift goblet]

what does it mean when a train is outlined in red?

[trim vine]

when looking at track placing block or path signals?

Nothing its just the colour the game chose

[west jackal]

you must be adding the 4 nodes that im using for general plastic and computer

in that ravine ish area

[trim vine]

maybe

are you using the western oil fields at all?

[west jackal]

havent ventured over there

nor the 3 southern pures

[trim vine]

Might I suggest moving electronic production over there, there is a ton of pure nodes, including a caterium one, making great work for electronic productions

and then making the most of your oil

[west jackal]

that is a good suggestion, i will look into that

[trim vine]

Alternatively, the blue crater lake in the SE, is arguably better for a fuel set up, as there is a ton of sulfur in that crater too

and coal nearby

[west jackal]

i need a good HMF line before i rebuild computer

[trim vine]

And make the northern oil nodes your massive plastic/rubber

[west jackal]

so much rubber

[trim vine]

NW, the rocky desert, is lousy with iron and limestone

[west jackal]

what would i need with all that rubber!

[trim vine]

-stares in heat sinks-

[west jackal]

man do they take rubber? its been so long since ive done those lines

and none of my old lines work because they were pre 1.0

in "alpha"

well ima hop off, was nice chatting and thank you for the suggestion! My gf wants to play pickleball in like 6h so i should sleep

[minor vale]

Diluted fuel into normal turbo fuel
600 base crude oil input
turns into 1.6k fuel through diluted.
turns into 1333.33 turbofuel per minute. requiring 1066.66 compact coal per minute. equal parts sulphur and coal

Turbofuel blend
600 crude oil input
Turned entirely into HOR alt but it's split three ways between petrolium coke, diluted fuel and directly into the turbo fuel blend.
you only need 400 sulphur per minute

but you only get 800 turbofuel per minute.

If you're making turbofuel for the sake of power generation
Well the first example can power 80 generators off the regular fuel alone.
177.7 on turbofuel.

If you went the blend route, you can power 106.6 generators.

that is the point i'm trying to make. (satisfactory calc decided to finally start working so I could put some numbers to what im' talking about)

[dense violet]

that's a lot of words that have zero impact on a completely subjective opinion about what is 'better'

there's lots of reasons why someone could prefer Blended TF over base

if you want to say

'base TF is more oil efficient'
sure. That is accurate

that doesn't make it 'better'

[trim vine]

to a pioneer, more is better

[minor vale]

Let me sum it in 1 sentance for you then

turbofuel blend gives you so little crude oil to turbofuel that it is might not be worth bothering with the setup over how much power you can generate on normal diluted fuel alone

[dense violet]

and I don't have to convert coal to make more fuel.
you still aren't going to win this as it is a completely subjective opinion.

[minor vale]

between the two recourses in question, sulphur is the more annoying one to get thousands of.

[frail sleet]

You need turbofuel on the way to rocket fuel, and it's much more sulphur efficient - those are good reasons

[dense violet]

there's a beautiful little spot in the middle of hte map for that purpose

[dense violet]

what you're doing right now is the equivalent to saying 'blue is better than red'
it's nonsense.

the whole reason why alt recipes are so great is because they have different values to different people in different situations

[minor vale]

coal being multiple times more plentiful than sulphur is not an apples to oranges comparison.

[dense violet]

"what you're doing right now is the equivalent to saying 'blue is better than red'
it's nonsense.
the whole reason why alt recipes are so great is because they have different values to different people in different situations"

[dense violet]

you're trying to define a subjective opinion as fact. Please stop.

we get it, you like base TF better. That is a personal choice you are free to have

[minor vale]

I mean at this point I"ll stop with the recipe talk but coal being more plentiful than sulphur isn't subjective.

[dense violet]

that's not an argument for it either so I don't really care about that point

[minor vale]

i'm no longer making an argument for it

[worthy pebble]

is geiser power worth it?

[minor vale]

yea

[dense violet]

shrug it's basically free once you unlock it

[trim vine]

if you dont mind your power grid going up and down

[dense violet]

some people will have strokes if their power graph isn't flat though

[worthy pebble]

ok

[sleek wadi]

too satisfying to see a 300kMW power grid being absolutely stable

[dusty ivy]

Hi. I am unable to process heavy oil residue into fuel for my next refinery. Is this a known bug?

[sleek wadi]

What recipe are you trying to use?

[dusty ivy]

4m3 heavy oil residue with petrol coke as a byproduct into 4m3 fuel,

[minor vale]

that doesn't answer the question.
What recipe are you trying to use to turn the HOR into fuel?

[sleek wadi]

Residual fuel or diluted?

Im assuming residual if its a refinery

[dusty ivy]

My apologies. Residual.

[trim vine]

dont you ever give me single craft numbers, always talk in parts per minute

[sleek wadi]

And everything is powered with inputs and outputs hooked up?

[dusty ivy]

Yes they are.

[sleek wadi]

Is the Heavy oil going into the refinery?

[trim vine]

send screenshots

[sleek wadi]

yeah please lol

[dusty ivy]

Hold on. I think I made a dumb dumb

LMAO

[sleek wadi]

Found it? lol

[trim vine]

brother aint hook up a pipe or set a recipe

😛

[sleek wadi]

or missed a power pole to power it all lmfao

[trim vine]

@tardy maple fuck did you do, speed run the game xD

ONLY 150 hours is wild

[vernal patrol]

why are steel beams.

[trim vine]

who are steel beams.

[vernal patrol]

theyre so stupiddddddd

[sour ledge]

y'know, throwing nobelisks onto giant spiders and exploding them is fun and all, but killing us both because it leaps at me right as i trigger the explosives is a very silly way to die...

[tardy maple]

well alot of knowledge from other saves

[dusty ivy]

My ding dong brain can't tell the difference between an input or an output. I was hooking up a refinery with petrolcoke as an OUTPUT to make residual fuel because I thought it left over more residue. Feel free to roast me lmao.

[trim vine]

moulded steel beams are less stupid.

Also, you ONLY need beams for versitile frameworks, EVERYTHING else can be done with pipes

[trim vine]

crazy work, and gratz