satisfactory

[mortal ginkgo]

because it is obvious.

toilet has one slot item to put that you need to press flush later.

if the flush button not greyed out and clickable, you deserve to lose the mercer.

this is again, you acting like a can of pepsi.

it is still not silly.

[marble fractal]

I put a bunch of things in it because it kept talking to me and I enjoyed it

[midnight fog]

I think people expect items to go to sewers

[mortal ginkgo]

i mean listen, ADA states that not all pioneers are good at their job.

you are not a good pioneer candidate

you are a can of pepsi

[faint epoch]

#screenshots new bomb spokes person

so quite

what happoned

[rancid hearth]

Is there a clean way to build hypertube vertically ?

[hard ivy]

wall supports

[cyan garnet]

Incorrect. There are 298 spheres

[faint epoch]

oh thank you

[gaunt gyro]

Where can I post a train signal question? I can't seem to post a picture in this channel

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533

[radiant onyx]

can you hop on a train that's on autopilot

[tropic plover]

Question, if I die via respawn, do I lose my tamed doggos?

[lavish lance]

upscaling

[rapid wren]

over 3 BILLION BYTES fellers.....

[urban root]

My work bought some cheap pizza for us for lunch. I can feel my bowel production has been slooped and likely sharded

[rapid wren]

what happened

did they fix straight mode

[radiant onyx]

how come in other people's large builds i don't see any power towers

[hard ivy]

because you don't use towers inside factories

[radiant onyx]

sure but outside

[hard ivy]

only between

train tracks also transmit power so if your stuff is connected with trains, you don't need anything else

[radiant onyx]

oh for fucks sake

[hard ivy]

or they use normal poles because they're smaller

[radiant onyx]

train tracks transmit power

lovely

[leaden ether]

There seems to be a distance limit though I've experienced... (I do use the power towers though on this save)

[radiant onyx]

there is a distance limit on train tracks

[hard ivy]

I haven't noticed one myself

[radiant onyx]

how limited

[leaden ether]

Not sure the distance, but my first track was long and did not transmit power to the other end,. THen I extended it a decent distance and was surprised to find that the new station had power without my having to wire it.

So maybe a couple km or something?

[hard ivy]

i'd say there isn't a limit because this is the first one i even heard one mentioned

you probably didn't connect the tracks the first time

[leaden ether]

I could try unpowering it and see I guess.

[tropic plover]

I am learning that pathing to different areas can be challenging with high drop offs or dead ends but sooner or later, I see that there is always a way to get places with decent terrain and grades. Do you think it would be a good idea to use power lines as "router markers" to follow to these places at least while still out and about and exploring?

[sullen gull]

I've done the same. Only annoyance is having them splattered across the map/everywhere you've explored. You could also use the map to create makers.

Doing it the latter way will also allow you to add any descriptors if you want.

[mortal pond]

anyone know if they plan to add more biomes on the near future?

[hard ivy]

if they do, they certainly haven't told us

[tropic plover]

Oh Ive done that to two areas so far, not too much exploring, lol, but getting there again can be painful, so might just make a power line route for now at least. Then I know I have also cleared all the poison rocks and plants

[tropic plover]

Put up a screenshot and tagged you

[leaden ether]

So I disconnected all but one station which was a little scary 😄 But they all have power. Dunno what happened before... It would be kind of cool if there was a rail attachment you could use (like the signals) where you could tap off power to use someplace away from your stations. I've still had to run electrical lines along some of the tracks to cleanly get power to some places.

[tropic plover]

Where do i craft Equipment Storage Boxes?

[radiant onyx]

if i need like 2000 copper per min

and i need it from 8-9 different nodes

do i just set up train stations at each of those nodes

[hard ivy]

or at each group of nodes, if they're close enough together

[fathom shuttle]

Why did they make petroleum coke stacks 200 instead of 500

[fathom shuttle]

If I don’t need the ore I can just set up smelters there and ship the ingots right? It would be cleaner for my factory

[hard ivy]

if you're smelting it, sure

I always use pure ingots, so it'd be more stuff to transport

[radiant onyx]

and then for my train station at my factory, do i just have one big train station with 3 freight platforms and 3 fluid platforms or two separate stations for each

[hard ivy]

I always build one station per item on the unload side but you do you

[leaden ether]

Yeah it can be hard to get huge quantities of stuff moved so if you can lessen the numbers with a little processing at the node sites, I've had good success with that. I.e. Quartz to Crystals and SAM to Reanimated SAM

[radiant onyx]

how many stations is that

[hard ivy]

one station will be more compact but might be more difficult

[rapid wren]

because they have bad aesthetics, and do not appreciate a satisfactory loking world or factory, they just care about making things fasty and tight.

[radiant onyx]

and why is that better, surely if e.g. oil copper and iron is all in one direction

[rapid wren]

power towers are mandatory

[radiant onyx]

you should pick it all up with one train

[rapid wren]

otherwise you're just playing factory

[radiant onyx]

and then unload it with one train

[hard ivy]

mixing items in a train doesn't allow you to it to only depart when empty

and you only get max theoretical throughput if you do that

[radiant onyx]

sorry i don't understand this sentence

[hard ivy]

if you have 2 different items, it's almost impossible to make sure all the wagons unload equally

[rapid wren]

did an absolute marathon yesterday, so now i have all p4 parts automated

will be interesting to see just how insane p5 is

[hard ivy]

and if they unload unequally, delaying the train until it's fully empty loses throughput instead of gaining

[lost wagon]

to put the items inside an assembler, do you need to use both input ports or if you have a belt with the 2 items you can just use one albeit slower?

[frozen ingot]

both, yes

[radiant onyx]

how so?

[frozen ingot]

the latter obviously has complications but it is certainly possible

@lost wagon ^

[lost wagon]

I am trying to do some smart splitter shenanigans until I have infinte power

[hard ivy]

putting more than 1 item on one belt is a terrible idea unless you really know what you're doing. and if you're asking a question about it, you don't know what you're doing

[fringe lake]

I found out that ADA shames you if you kill a passive animal

[hard ivy]

how do you make sure all wagons become empty at exactly the same time when they carry 2 different items? WIth one, you can use a balancer and it works. With 2?

[frail sleet]

Put iron ore in at 1200/min

put coal in at 1200/min

take them out at 1200/min each on the other end, with an overflow sink.

Scales infinitely

[fathom shuttle]

Man I have all the resources I need nearby except copper, mad annoying ngl

[white dawn]

Putting more than one item on a belt is called "sushi," and yeah, you can feed machines that way. As KYO297 mentioned, it's more complex, though I wouldn't go so far as to call it terrible. You would need a Smart Splitter in front of each input, sending a single resource into the machine, with the other output being Overflow. For full security, the final overflow should go to a sink, but if you're positive that you're sending the exact right amount of material down the belt, you could technically do without

It's definitely a more advanced technique, and I'd wager not many people feed machines that way, but it's certainly possible

[slender dock]

that's a lot of mk6 belts

[white dawn]

It can really come into its own on Manufacturers, since it can make those four-input recipes look a lot nicer. :D

But there's definitely more to keep track of, and more opportunities to screw it up

[hard ivy]

smart splitters in front of each input is the easy way and it's not that terrible. they wanted to use one input. that is a terrible idea, because you need to feed the exact amount of items needed

[white dawn]

Oh, I misread!

Yeah, trying to use a single input is definitely not recommended. :D

[radiant onyx]

who me?

[hard ivy]

^

[radiant onyx]

what if i have trains that load the same throughput of each resources

so they unload equally because they load equally

[hard ivy]

not necessarily

[radiant onyx]

how so

[lost wagon]

wasn't an idea, was to see if I will need more than one splitter if it worked

[hard ivy]

you have to both load and unload equally

[lost wagon]

how the overflow works? if the belt outside of it is full it just send elsewhere?

[hard ivy]

if one output backs up, then you're no longer unloading equally, but still loading equally

[radiant onyx]

sorry did you say you had individual trains and stations for each item

[hard ivy]

yes

[radiant onyx]

could you have individual trains but one station

and then it would unload equally

[hard ivy]

one station but different items? or same item, just multiple trains?

[humble plank]

I wish you could control trains load/unload at the car level (instead of the train/station level)

[radiant onyx]

one station for the whole factory

with different trains coming to it, one for each item

[hard ivy]

sounds like a terrible idea

[dapper forge]

Smart splitters for sushi belts into machines is a bad idea

sushi belts into machines is a bad idea in general imho

[fluid sapphire]

why tho

[hard ivy]

especially because you still couldn't set all trains to depart when empty because if you only needed a little bit of something, the train would hold the station for like half an hour

[radiant onyx]

what do you mean by only needed a little bit of something

[hard ivy]

if you need different items, you presumably need them in different amounts

[radiant onyx]

sure but doesn't unloading time depend on how many items you're unloading

[hard ivy]

if you need 300/min of one and 3000/min of another, one train will stay in the station 10x longer

[radiant onyx]

ah

[hard ivy]

if set to depart when empty

[primal haven]

I did this in my last save

[leaden ether]

Most of my trains are factory trains, meaning they take 1 to 4 different items from a factory over to another factory. And sometimes then take one or more items back to the original factory. For my final alien tech factory I have 4 trains brining in nine or ten different items from four other factories to one location. ANd that was me keeping things pretty simple on my first playthrough.

[next umbra]

But I like sushi 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

[hard ivy]

also, you're now dealing with sushi and idk if it's possible without sinks

[primal haven]

For my central storage I had a 14 car train going from my factory town then back to the storage

i would only do that for a single route thing though

[leaden ether]

The only time I played with sushi anything was I had at one point more than one item being put into a single cargo depot. Then I used smart splitters to separate the items right after they left the receiving depot to go to various places in the factory.

[dapper forge]

sushi is great, for things coming out of machines or stuff going into sinks

or even storage

[primal haven]

sushi is chaos imo

[dapper forge]

if you've built yourself into a space constraint sushi is a great out

[radiant onyx]

how so

[leaden ether]

Oh yey yeah I guess that was the other kind of sushi, having overflow from four different machines going into a single sink 😄

[radiant onyx]

and did it cause any issues?

[primal haven]

im not sure id call merging to a sink as sushi but I can see the argument

[lost wagon]

if one item get "stuck" in the belt the whole thing stops, with sink you can send the overflow to it

[hard ivy]

if you have different items on one belt, you need to have the belt constantly moving to ensure throughput. if one item backs up, all stop moving. the only way to absolutely ensure that is a sink. but maybe buffers and consistent consumption could do it too

[leaden ether]

Well no this was the simplest train setup I could do for a first real go at it and a lot of it was retrofitted after I had build the factories. I did love working on the trains through so my next save I'll be expanding their use.

[radiant onyx]

sure but why was i planning to do sushi

[hard ivy]

why are you asking me this

[radiant onyx]

because you said i was planning to do it

[primal haven]

lol does anyone plan to use sushi on purpose?

[leaden ether]

Basically each of the 4 trains has their own load and or unload stations. THe trains do not share the stations at all.

[white dawn]

Sure, I went quite heavy on sushi in my 1.0 playthrough

Smart Splitters everywhere!

[hard ivy]

you asked about 1 station multiple trains with different items. that's sushi

[radiant onyx]

is it? i thought different platforms were independent of each other

[primal haven]

well it won't not work, thats for sure

i kind of like how pretty much everything works to some degree in this game

[rustic oracle]

hoping this patch fixes our saves crashing issue 🙏 (https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1383676776538050660)

[hard ivy]

they are. but then you need multiple stations per station or like 1 wagon and 10 locomotives

[radiant onyx]

multiple stations per station?

[rare torrent]

i just wonder are the trains same as in factorio???

[hard ivy]

alternate station and platforms in one long setup. then you can have different trains stop at different platforms

if they all stop at the same station, their wagons align with the same platforms

[radiant onyx]

can't you just do like

[hard ivy]

so they unload different items into the same platform. sushi

[radiant onyx]

empty platforms at the loading stations

so that only specific wagons are filled up

[primal haven]

wouldnt that just end up with a huge line of trains waiting for other trains to unload?

[rare torrent]

not even the signals??

[hard ivy]

that's the other alternative. 1 wagon 10 locomotives as spacers

[radiant onyx]

why can't you just have wagons instead of locomotives

[hard ivy]

they'll be empty regardless

[radiant onyx]

yeah but cheaper right

[hard ivy]

so why not more power

[radiant onyx]

ah fair

trains can't derail can they

[white dawn]

What makes you say that sushi belts don't work?

You've gotta know/figure-out how to build them properly, of course, but they're just as reliable as regular belts once you know how

[dapper forge]

1 belt for both inputs of the same machine

[primal haven]

i was using a double negative to say they will work

[hard ivy]

in 1.1 they can. but only when driven manually

[radiant onyx]

ah

so would 10 locomotives mean super quick trains

[primal haven]

I cant think of a use for sushi belts over individual belts unless you have some sort of space constraint though

[white dawn]

Ah, I keep forgetting that was the context, sorry

[primal haven]

i could see it as sort of an elaborate puzzle to solve though

[white dawn]

I should avoid chatting when I'm feeling dopey. :P

[hard ivy]

quick acceleration. max speed is 120-130 regardless I think

[radiant onyx]

alright

[white dawn]

Bah, sorry, reading is hard. See above re: dopey. :D

[radiant onyx]

wait

when you mean several stations for different items

can they all be in on the same line

ah that would cause trains to wait though

[hard ivy]

depends what you mean by that

[primal haven]

no worries I was being a bit confusing anyways!

[hard ivy]

one inlet one outlet, but the stations are perpendicular to the rails so they're independent

[radiant onyx]

the issue is that i need to deliver about 7 different items and don't have the space for 7 parallel train stations with individual freight platforms

[hard ivy]

but all in one straight line will cause massive traffic

[radiant onyx]

where can i send screenshots

[dapper forge]

#design-and-architecture

[hard ivy]

you can have multiple different items in one train, just in different wagons.

[radiant onyx]

....

[hard ivy]

you just won't get the max possible throughput

[primal haven]

how many stops to pick it all up?

[hard ivy]

so you might need a few extra platforms

and trains drive more often

which is why I dont do that

[dapper forge]

also power usage lines wont be nice and straight

[radiant onyx]

#screenshots is how much space i have

that grassy patch behind the building

[primal haven]

you could do a single station if you really have to but it would be 7 loading stations long plus the main station, and it would essentially have to be on its own line

[radiant onyx]

pick what all up, all the items?

[primal haven]

yeah

also I think you could fit 4 or 5 stations next to your factory

[fluid sapphire]

maybe silly question but... if i need to rename a bunch of blueprints i can just change the filenames, no issue?

[radiant onyx]

in that space?

[primal haven]

its hard to say with scale of the picture though

yeah have them come in perpendicular to your factory close to it

[radiant onyx]

okay one second

[hard ivy]

depends on the length

[primal haven]

run stations off to the side

loop back around back out

[radiant onyx]

okay i need 5 items delivered

[hard ivy]

and over the void

[primal haven]

im sort of assuming 4 car trains

[hard ivy]

I run 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 or 8

[shy mulch]

I think I overdid my sushisorter of chaos

[hard ivy]

so idk 🤷‍♂️

[primal haven]

yeah well 4 or less. I had so many issues getting anything bigger running with the smaller trains

but i did not give myself the right space when i started out

might be worth building out one station and seeing how it works

[radiant onyx]

bear with me a sec

[rich sandal]

anyone want to play a new world +18 please

[radiant onyx]

also @hard ivy
if i did have just one station with like 5 different platforms, and the train picked up the same amount of each resource, would it not unload equally?

[primal haven]

youll only have an issue with a large disparity

could be an issue with things like wire or screws

[granite dove]

#1201555265942724758

[hard ivy]

you'd have to unload equally too

[primal haven]

can you still use containers as buffers to help with loading issues in that case?

im not sure if that applies to this situation

[rich sandal]

i cant make another post for 6 hours

[leaden ether]

My somewhat tight five station endpoint for the alien tech factory. There is even space left over for another 4 depot station in the middle if necessary. #screenshots message

[shy mulch]

Look at my 2 posts in #screenshots and tell me if I should persevere with this headache or tear it down and do it a more sensible way

[rich sandal]

si i ask if anybody wants to play in here

[primal haven]

im a huge fan of main bus setups, but im a decorator so I cant play like that

i ended my first save phase 4 using a bus

[shy mulch]

the idea was to make functional first then decorate around it once it was all working

[primal haven]

i literally tore down my whole factory town and redid it as a bus in the oil lake in the southeast

[leaden ether]

With about three or four times the space you can have each station on it's own track segment which would prevent one train from waiting on another. As it is there are 3 stations on one loop and two on another and it hasn't been any sort of problem.

[primal haven]

if you can figure out interesting ways to stylize a main bus then that would be cool, maybe something with walls and lights and such

i saw a video the other day that had a sort of vertical bus

huge lift wall displaying all the items

[shy mulch]

it's quite an old screenshot, uploading a slightly more recent one now, I did flesh it out a bit more after that but not a lot. I was more interested in the functionality really

[primal haven]

maybe you could zig zag the bus around like on a motherboard

[leaden ether]

The thin I admire most about seeing a lot of other peoples build is the dedication they have to completing builds cosmtically. It can be SO time consuming and downright tedious. I have a really hard time constantly pushing through that.

[wanton stag]

is there a reason why some of my game sounds keep vanishing? (like my music, hoverpack goes silent, trains only make some noise but not all the noises they're meant to make)

[primal haven]

when you have an interesting idea though its hard not to follow through with it

[radiant onyx]

@primal haven something like this? #satisfactory

[leaden ether]

I love getting an idea (Well that's the hard part sometimes) and starting it, and finishing it. Everything between is so -.-

[hard ivy]

if you only want 2 stations it's fine. but it's too dense to add a 3rd in parallel

[shy mulch]

Yeah I agree, I am happy I mostly followed through with the decoration thing on my rocket fuel setup. Spent 5x as long on shuffling things and building around it than actually getting it working, which seemed wasteful but I was happy with the result

[primal haven]

yeah that looks more done up, I think i would put some small or big walls between windows and start throwing painted beams and small concrete beams everywhere

[wicked marlin]

whats the input on the power augmentor for?

[radiant onyx]

so i can't really have 5 alongside each other

[shy mulch]

do you want spoilers?

[white dawn]

You can feed it ||Alien Power Matrixes at 5/min|| to ||increase their power augmentation to 30% (as opposed to the default 10%)||

[hard ivy]

you need enough space to unload items. unless you clip lifts through the platforms

[wicked marlin]

yeah
didnt know it was spoiler

[white dawn]

Note that ||there's a break-even point, since Alien Power Matrixes are very expensive to make. You need to make sure the extra 20% nets you more than it costs to make the APMs. :)||

[fallen dagger]

I’m suing Coffee Stain for emotional distress
||/s||

[primal haven]

sorry mixed this up with a different post!

[hard ivy]

and it's like 90 GW raw production

[primal haven]

or have your branching production lines as skyscrapers

[hard ivy]

and even then you just break even

[glossy iris]

Concept idea: Assemblers can do the work of two constructors when both inputs are receiving necessary materials. Manufacturers can do the work of four constructors or two assemblers with appropriate inputs filled. For space/material saving reasons.

[white dawn]

I've often thought it would be amusing to, like, underclock the whole APM production line to 1% to drop that breakeven point down super low. :D

[fallen dagger]

I had this idea too!

[hard ivy]

only 4.5 times lower

[radiant onyx]

the thing is with one/two stations with several freight platforms for different items
surely you can still optimise throughput if you make it so that trains don't unload at same times

[glossy iris]

holla

[radiant onyx]

and they unload at even intervals

[leaden ether]

Alien power matrix use needs to be done carefully as well or you can get huge abrupt power swings... #screenshots message

[shy mulch]

Yeah, you can make production costs as low as you want in terms of power, if you have the patience to build a billion machines 😄

[shy mulch]

don't let it run dry, have a storage with a buffer

[hard ivy]

not as low as you want. only up to 4.4 times lower vs 100% (per item)

[leaden ether]

I have a pair of LONG belts feeding a pair of them and I am still tuning my foactory. I though I had them feeding reliably but as the subject came up I took a look and say that (THat was just one of them going dry). Now I have to look to see what's gone wrong THIS time 😄

[shy mulch]

can you explain? I haven't bothered to crunch the numbers yet. But I assumed underclocking down to 1% would save a lot more than that

[sonic imp]

Anyone experiencing an issue where if you join a specific multiplayer-game, the game just crashes after loading into the world?

[radiant onyx]

also how many trains will i need for:

1220 crude oil
1660 copper
900 limestone
1300 coal
1631 iron

all /min

[hard ivy]

machines at 1% consume 440 times less power but you need 100x more of them. so 4.4x less per item produced

[leaden ether]

Looks like I am running low on quartz crystals per minute for some reason :/ THat is something I am bringing in by train so... big feast/famine issue to deal with.

[shy mulch]

aha that makes sense

[vagrant oar]

one issue I see with this is that Satisfactory appears to follow a "no machine becomes obsolete" ideology if that makes sense? excluding things that are tiered, machines always stay relevant

and the only things that really get tiered are logistics and miners

[shy mulch]

yes, why is that an issue

[white dawn]

Even lower-tier pipes/belts/miners don't really go obsolete

[vagrant oar]

they have use cases, yeah

[white dawn]

A lot of folks like to use the slowest belt possible so it's easy to eyeball the resource flow, etc

[shy mulch]

what's the use case for a lower tier miner?

[white dawn]

Only needing a portion of a node's resources, and saving a bit on power while doing so

[vagrant oar]

every factory just becomes one machine which would make factory building slightly boring imo :P

[shy mulch]

isn't it more power efficient to underclock a higher tier miner?

oh, turns out it isn't

interesting 🙂

[vagrant oar]

I feel like having constructors, assemblers and manufacturers work in tandem adds some scale to what you're doing and gives the player a sense of "working up" if that makes sense?

or working down, depends on what you prefer

[white dawn]

I agree it's a pretty niche case, and you'd be unlikely to notice the little bit more power for the higher-tier miners, once you're at those stages

[vagrant oar]

it's good for biofuel only runs

[shy mulch]

factories with multiple types of machines (const, assm, manuf etc) are pretty bread and butter here. I'm not sure what you mean

[vagrant oar]

it's about separation and sense of scale

you're working up/down the chain from constructors to assembler to manufacturers or the other way around

[shy mulch]

That is how it usually goes. I'm not really understanding the issue though. Can you describe what you think would be better?

[vagrant oar]

it's good as it is atm, though I wouldn't mind a little more variety in processing machines

[primal haven]

i wouldnt mind if they added double or triple machines though

essentially one condensed bigger machine that can process multiple lines

[shy mulch]

I'm sure there are probably mods that do stuff like that

I think there's quite a nice variety of machines already

[primal haven]

true, cosmetically different ones might be interesting but we can always design covers on them

[vagrant oar]

that I do agree with, I would like to see different machine styles

[primal haven]

maybe have them change to an alien version if you sloop them

[vagrant oar]

then it takes away player agency on their designs imo

I feel like just a style pack would be nice, kinda how you have concrete or steel walls

[primal haven]

true, but the alien generator things already do this

it could be optional

yeah a style pack would be perfect, i wouldnt be surprised if they plan to make one eventually

[vagrant oar]

would be nice as a toggle yeah, having the machine "materialize" into something else

[leaden ether]

Alien augmenter low item/min was due to low power shard/min due to low quartz crystal/min because I had a single mk3 fragment of belt holding them back. 😛 This is the last bug in the factory, I swear boss!

[primal haven]

So many missing 1m long belts 😦

[sullen gull]

I just want to be able to mirror machines. Ideally blenders and Particle accelerators 😒

[vagrant oar]

true...

[primal haven]

that does seem like a bit of an oversight

[white dawn]

Mod idea: machines can be mirrored but resources now have chirality and are only compatible with other resources of the same chirality

[primal haven]

although i kinda thought they designed particle accelerators to be obnoxious to fit in anywhere so maybe it was on purpose

[white dawn]

I don't think it's an oversight so much as a conscious decision

[leaden ether]

Yeah one of many many little things designed to make you have to work a bit harder all the way through 🙂

[primal haven]

can we take the evil side resources and process them deep underground?

[sullen gull]

I mean, Machines can and have been made as mirror versions all the time. I don't think it's completely out of scope. Can use R to switch direction.

[white dawn]

Which is part of the reason why I believe it was a conscious decision, not an oversight

[glossy iris]

Time for nefarious actions I was going to put off for later but I'm too lazy to go on an eight expedition out into the map

[shy mulch]

I think one oversight is that once you've sent the space elavator, anything beyond that is "just for fun" or setting your own arbitrary goals. I think there is a lot of scope for very hard to achieve objectives that unlock more customization options

[white dawn]

That one is absolutely a conscious choice. They didn't overlook the possibility; they specifically didn't implement it yet.

They've mentioned that they were looking into possibilities for post-game goals and such, but time will tell if they decide to do it

They've talked about that one on stream multiple times

(Also I personally would loathe any post-game goals which have tangible unlocks, even just cosmetics. I'm glad CSS is not stingy with their game rewards. I'd hope that any hypothetical post-game goals only reward you with dopamine)

[shy mulch]

Examples:

• Reach 1 TW of power production to unlock alternative design fuel generators (same function, but look completely different)
• Reach 2 TW of power production to unlock alternative design nuclear reactors
• Collect every mercer sphere on the planet - something awesome related to dimentional depots
  etc etc

[mystic oriole]

I actually wished after the resources were sent off. We have to resend the same resources just incrementally more.

[sullen gull]

In today's age, is there a 'typical' amount of time that a studio can support a title before it stops becoming profitable to do so?

[primal haven]

all they have to do is add achievements

"Build a 100GW Nuclear Factory"

[hard ivy]

or just make the endgame power sources make sense to use for power

[shy mulch]

Fair point

[stable tulip]

Soup SatisFactory peoples

[leaden ether]

Oh true, like okay you did the thing once, congrats. Now we need 10 more, basically making you redouble your efforts at more long term/higher production level and fully automated factories.

[primal haven]

going on the other extreme end of it, they could have aliens attack and destroy your infrastructure, and you have to build planetary defenses

[shy mulch]

Yeah, something like that could be achieved by making ficsonium far more complicated to produce, but make a LOT more power

[shy mulch]

They've very explicitly said that will never happen

[stable tulip]

In someone the older ones, yeah

[primal haven]

maybe, theres always wiggle room

surely it would have to be opt in only, people would be upset to have their stuff destroyed

[stable tulip]

No. It was specifically said they would never do it

[mystic oriole]

and your cloud-storage has to be re-researched and re-filled.

[leaden ether]

SO many people in Dyson Sphere were all so glad there were no attackers like in Factorio, but then the game company announced a melevolent force was coming to destroy your builds 😄

[hard ivy]

it's already complicated and expensive enough. it just needs to have like 5x power

[shy mulch]

That would simply be a different game

[primal haven]

well we are talking about random things to do after you finish the game

ending with aliens blowing up the planet could be funny, ind of like how far cry 3 blood dragon was

[shy mulch]

I am the winner at coming up with silly arbitrary goals for myself 😛

[primal haven]

I wouldnt be opposed to humorous things being added post end game

is all im saying

[hard ivy]

I literally turn off enemies in factorio every time. and have been doing that since my first playthrough in 2016

[shy mulch]

I'm still loving my phase 0 experiment

[hard ivy]

I do not want anything destroying my shit

[stable tulip]

Wow, it's almost as if they thought about this!https://youtu.be/QZJ27aFaoJc?si=hUziAjMUuGqHAuFf

[mystic oriole]

same - my new save is... build on land only.

[stable tulip]

Like this one

[shy mulch]

My latest save, over 200 hours on it, still at phase 0
No mods, no cheating, no save editing
Almost completed the MAM, and got over 5GW of power

[white dawn]

They specifically wanted to avoid that kind of achievement. They wanted to make sure that basically all achievements were pretty acquireable by non-hardcore players

[stable tulip]

Or this one!https://youtu.be/J4LlorYbVV0?si=PPlRttsAkrMGdOHc

[white dawn]

Pretty much the only outlier is the Golden Nut achievement, and even that can technically be accomplished with sufficient time

[stable tulip]

If anything, see what mods have in store if you feel bored with the endgame

[primal haven]

im not sure how they will both cater to casual and hardcore players though, both like to pursue goals they are just different

would you consider the golden nut a hardcore achievement?

oh you did say about that already sorry

[white dawn]

That's not what Ficsonium's purpose is, though. Ficsonium's there so you can enjoy Plutonium power gains while also having "clean" nuclear. It's not meant to be a huge boost to the power grid

[mystic oriole]

no, more like figuring out how to put a golden nut in every factory.

[white dawn]

The impression I have is that they know that hardcore players already find their own amusement. :)

It's a sandbox game, after all!

As I say, they have talked about the possibility of post-endgame content that people can explicitly work towards, so we may get some of that in the future

[primal haven]

yeah but the conversation was about adding goals for people after the end of the game, im not sure what casual goals are left to add

[white dawn]

But I really doubt that they'll tie any actual rewards to those goals (whatever they end up being)

[primal haven]

more trophies is fine by me

[shy mulch]

Now that sounds more like fun 😄

[hard ivy]

"enjoy" when sinking it is less work lol

[primal haven]

maybe they could pair ficsonium rods with tickets for the next trophy

since a lot of people skipped making those at all

[white dawn]

How does sinking Plutonium power rods allow you to enjoy Plutonium power gains?

[stable tulip]

Why make Ficsonium when you can just sink the Plutonium?

[mystic oriole]

oh yeah, trophy room in every factory. That's an achievement.

[white dawn]

Again, Ficsonium is so that you can burn the Plutonium but still have clean nuclear

If you don't want the Plutonium power, then sure, just sink the rods

It's just an extra step you can slap on the end of your nuclear production and still produce zero waste

[hard ivy]

why would anyone want to burn plutonium when making more uranium is easier and cheaper

[white dawn]

Because it's fun?

I'm not playing a factory game to not make factories. :)

[hard ivy]

it's not fun when I know I'm getting less power for more effort

[primal haven]

i do prefer building nuclear to placing down hundreds of fuel gens

[white dawn]

And with the right alts, the power gains from Plutonium are A+

[shy mulch]

Or make additional decorations / textures that can be applied to anything, but each use requires phase 5 elavator parts, so realistically to use them for any decent sized factory, you'd need to already have a big automation project set up

[mystic oriole]

not if you increase the amount of power by the alien power augmenters

[white dawn]

You don't find Plutonium fun. That doesn't mean that other people don't find it fun. :)

Or that Ficsonium is somehow imbalanced

Burn Plutonium, get rid of waste: A+, IMO.

[hard ivy]

I'm talking per MW, so no, augmenters don't change anything

[white dawn]

It's not like Ficsonium is net-power-negative or anything; you do get extra power out of it, in the end

[primal haven]

they should just make everything unsinkable till ficsonium

[white dawn]

Heh, nah, IMO the current balance is quite nice

"Waste" a bunch of power, or spend the effort to get more power and still remain clean

[primal haven]

i dont understand why theyd let people opt out of like half the production chain for something like that

[white dawn]

(or continue to ignore Ficsonium anyway and just store the Pu Waste, of course. :)

[primal haven]

like id just not rather, let me sink it and be done

[white dawn]

Nuclear has always been an optional target (as is Rocket Fuel)

[primal haven]

no I understand nuclear isnt needed, but if you choose to do nuclear why wouldnt we have to do the whole chain?

[shy mulch]

Like the way you have walls/foundations as different textures, conrete, metal, asphalt, glass etc
You could have futuristic themed versions, like sloop style, ficsonium style, alien style etc
Applying these styles to walls or foundations or pillars etc. would use phase 5 elevator parts
I think that would give people something realistic to aim for that isn't completely wild

[white dawn]

'cause CSS is keen to allow people to play the game how they want?

[oblique hound]

because most people that do nuclear make it well before t9 is unlocked, so there would be hundreds of hours of waste buildup with nothing you can do about it

[primal haven]

okay well I want to only do half of the production chain for aluminum

[white dawn]

The Pu->Fi step is, indeed, not for the timid. I wouldn't want to force that on a player who didn't want to do it

[primal haven]

why wont they let me play how I want?

[white dawn]

Sounds like a job for Sloppy Alumina and Pure Aluminum Ingot! :D

[zenith pecan]

Bad straw man, bad, an incomplete or fucked up baux setup won't irradiate the map.

[white dawn]

Er, I meant Instant, didn't I?

[sullen gull]

And Electrode Scrap 🙂

[white dawn]

Anyway, you can certainly cut a step out of your aluminum processing if you want. :)

[oblique hound]

because when you are not doing ficsonium you get much less power because you are sinking potential fuel?

there is a big tradeoff ofc

[primal haven]

I could see this I guess but you dont have to turn on your machines before they are ready to be used

[white dawn]

Honestly if you're talking post-endgame goals, Ficsonium sort of is a post-endgame goal, along with APMs, Portals, etc

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, instant at the cost of sulphur, I might give that one a go in a future save.

[hard ivy]

you can just make more uranium rods?

and it costs less, so you're wasting resources doing Ficsonium

[white dawn]

Except that if you want "clean" nuclear, you still have to make the Plutonium rods. And at that point, you're walking away from a lot of power if you sink them

If you could have clean nuclear without making Pu Rods, I'd buy your argument, but you can't.

You're making the decision that you want less power

Ficsonium lets you get the extra power, and continue to do so in a "clean" fashion

[hard ivy]

I can make however much power I want?

burning plutonium only gives you more power per uranium

[white dawn]

Right, but still: you've made the rods, and instead of burning them, you're sinking them

[primal haven]

I think the problem is that sinking or ficsonium are both waste removal, but sinking doesnt cost energy or time to build out

[zenith pecan]

It also makes a much smaller nuclear setup quite viable, you don't need to chew the entire maps uranium to have good output.

[white dawn]

Ergo: your energy efficiency is worse than if you'd burn them. :)

[hard ivy]

but you can just make more uranium so there's no reason to care about that

[primal haven]

you cant burn the plutonium rods without commiting to the rest of the production chain

[hard ivy]

except you have to claw the entire map's SAM

[white dawn]

That's kind of beside the point, though. You're making fuel and then wilfully not using it.

There's nothing wrong with that, of course.

[zenith pecan]

I've already done that.

[white dawn]

But you're still walking away from literally free energy at that point

[mystic oriole]

but again, augmenters make burning pu and ficsonium so much more worth it.

[white dawn]

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong for sinking Pu Rods

[hard ivy]

it's only free if you store the waste

[primal haven]

theres more to it than just burning the rods

[hard ivy]

per uranium ore only

[white dawn]

I'm just saying that Ficsonium's got a great niche: lots more power for the same amount of Uranium, plus you get to keep your map nice and squeaky clean

[primal haven]

if i understand correctly though the machines used to process ficsonium cost more than it produces

[white dawn]

I'm not saying everyone should do it -- I'm saying it's got a definite usecase, and works great in that niche

[sullen gull]

How is that "free"? You still will need to continue adding containers to contain the waste as time goes./

[primal haven]

so you will lose power doing that

[hard ivy]

it's cheaper than Ficsonium

[sullen gull]

When you say "cheaper"? In what way? power usage to produce?

[hard ivy]

resources and power

[white dawn]

However someone chooses to build their nuclear power is great, whether you're accumulating waste or not, or whether you stop at U, Pu, or Fi. But saying that Ficsonium is pointless just because you'd rather sink Pu Rods is, IMO, rather shortsighted

[hard ivy]

if you only want power, what is the reason to make ficsonium?

[primal haven]

its only pointless if you only care about the power generated

[oblique hound]

kind of, but by doing ficsonium you also get the production from burning the plutonium rods which makes up for it with a very large margin

[white dawn]

Anyway, enough of that from me for now. I know we've had this discussion a number of times now

[leaden ether]

Ooof, I can't imagine having to store the waste any decent sized reactor would need like a double storage contener per hour of running or something. You'd be spending a sizeable chunk of time just keeping up with that in the long run 😛

[zenith pecan]

Plutonium waste, from smaller setups that is, accumulates so slowly you can get away with many thousands of hours and not see a problem just stuffing the output into a tomb in the depths of the waterfall void.

[white dawn]

Oh of course -- I also often advocate for waste storage. Storing nuclear waste isn't the problem a lot of people think it is

[primal haven]

what about compared to burning plutonium and storing the waste?>

[white dawn]

IMO it's not even awful to store Uranium waste, even though it accumulates much faster.

All I've ever argued about here is just that if you want clean nuclear, and don't want to walk away from all the Plutonium gains, then Ficsonium's great for that

[oblique hound]

true, but many people dont want to do that for various reasons (not wanting to have to deal with buildup, tickets, ocd)

[primal haven]

how much more power comparitively do you get from burning just uranium vs. burning all three?

[zenith pecan]

I only avoid it because I don't really know when I'd be done with that world, but if I take my old save as an example, the reactor hall put out 1050 uranium waste, procesed it would power half the reactors again, and pu produces a tenth of the amount, I'd see 52.5 pu waste with that build, it would take ages to fill a decent sized tomb.

[hard ivy]

depends how much uranium you spend

[white dawn]

Depends on the alts you use, but well over 2x additional power by adding in Plutonium (plus some extra on top from Fi, if you do that)

[tall ivy]

There a SF Modded channel here, or? had a question or two?

[oblique hound]

from the top of my head around a third with the recipies i am using

[white dawn]

There's a link to the modding discord in #welcome . Mod chat is okay in here too, but for many types of questions it's best to ask over there instead

[primal haven]

interesting, I think yall have talked me into doing the full loop next time

[tall ivy]

Well, something that ive wondered about.. if you mod, and you run on a dedicated server, is there ever a thing that you need to worry about; in that, if the game updates, does it break mods, for smaller increment patches? Obvious 1.0 to 1.1 would break stuff, but like 1.1.01 to 1.1.02 for example?

or break the world

[hard ivy]

up to 2.33 times more MW per uranium but idk why tf would you care only about uranium efficiency

[primal haven]

at the very least id burn the plutonium rods i think

[hard ivy]

with both wastes allowed, the calculator actually prefers burning plutonium. apparently it's cheaper than burning just the uranium.

with only uranium waste allowed, it burns just uranium

with neither waste allowed, but sinking allowed, it sinks plutonium

only when it's not allowed to output any waste or sink anything does it finally make ficsonium

(not to mention it takes double the machines of burning plutonium and 25% more than sinking it lol)

[radiant onyx]

#screenshots this is meant to be the end points of two stations meeting at the middle, but trains aren't meant to cross the middle

is there a way to achieve this without using buffer stops

[white dawn]

Uh, yes, exactly. That, as I keep saying, is the entire purpose of Ficsonium: clean nuclear while also taking advantage of Plutonium. So, operating as expected

[delicate nymph]

why doesnt my cyber wagon work?

it seems to have square wheels for some reason

just spent 20 tickets on it

[next umbra]

Its a meme

[delicate nymph]

is their any way to get it to work?

[shy mulch]

they are intentionally terrible because it's funny

trade it in for a BMW

[white dawn]

As with other vehicles, it does need fuel to run. (Access the storage area in the back.). But adding fuel isn't going to make it into a good vehicle. :)

[shy mulch]

applying the fuel liberally to the exterior is a popular approach in recent times

[delicate nymph]

it only turns right aswell

[shy mulch]

using lizard doggo milk as a fuel source might work, try it and let us know

[delicate nymph]

???

[hard ivy]

except it's more effort and more resources than sinking plutonium so I still don't know why would anyone wanting clean power choose to make Ficsonium

or even nuclear in general

[next umbra]

oh i thought the giraffe-tick-penguin-whale thing only had milk

[hard ivy]

and unlocked a tier later

[white dawn]

Yeah, I think it's clear you aren't ever going to be swayed on that front. If you don't see the appeal of "I've already made these rods and I want the power from them," I don't know what else to say. :)

[hard ivy]

literally 0 benefits

[hard ivy]

why would I want power from them if making more uranium is easier?

[white dawn]

0 benefits except a lot of power that you've already produced

[leaden ether]

Because it's a thing to do? I mean everything past the space elevator is just doing things for fun. Why NOT do it, who cares about the innefficient math? In fact if you want to find out how much power you can make, you know as a self imposed fun goal, then you would do it as well.

[delicate nymph]

i have a question
im using a sushi belt to feed the space elevator currerntly but if an item finishes loading it backes up the entire line and i need to manualy remove the items

[white dawn]

Anyway, I'm done with that for now. :)

[fathom shuttle]

Smart splitters I guess

[hard ivy]

then don't do sushi

[delicate nymph]

its a very long line so I need to

[glacial moth]

Does anyone know how I can set the Satisfactory Tools Calculator to use overclocking instead of underclocking?

[leaden ether]

That is a very good example of how sushi belts can fail in normal production use too

[hard ivy]

then 1 smart splitter and 1 elevator input per item

[delicate nymph]

plus i haven't unlocked smart splitters yet on this save

[hard ivy]

1. you don't
2. it doesn't really do underclocking either. it just suggests one option

[delicate nymph]

ill use that once i unlock them thanks!

ill switch to that on my old save too

[dapper forge]

If you are still early into the save, then just ferry the parts to the space elevator, no need for belts

i'm guessing you are early into the save since you mentioned not having unlocked smart splitters yet

[glacial moth]

So when the calculator says to use a whole extra machine but at like 4% clock speed can i just overclock one of the other machines by 4%?

[delicate nymph]

yeah just made a new one a day ago

[hard ivy]

1.04x means 104% total. how you divide that among machines is up to you

[delicate nymph]

nearly done phase 2 on this one

[dapper forge]

storage container in front of space elevator -> space elevator.

[glacial moth]

thank you!

[hard ivy]

can do 1 at 104% or 104 at 1%

[white dawn]

Yep, or do two at 52%, etc

[hard ivy]

it's all the same in terms of output

[hard ivy]

except ficsonium doesn't even give you the most power

[fathom shuttle]

How would you organize 160 fuel power plants? #screenshots

[wicked marlin]

i have changed my mind, splitters on lifts is great. BUT you have to give any factory you build a sublevel for the off center splitters, since you cant attach a lift into the top of a splitter.

[hard ivy]

blueprint with 4 of them and spam lines

[fathom shuttle]

I’m thinking columns of 12, and rows of 2, but the problem is that the terrain blocks some of it at the beginning

[leaden ether]

It would be a step towards having the most power in total. NOT doing means you are leaving power "on the table"

[hard ivy]

it costs so much resources that you're actually leaving power on the table by making it

[primal haven]

could put them in a circular tower

[hard ivy]

the SAM it costs could be used to make more uranium ore for more uranium rods and you get more power

[leaden ether]

Okay I have not run the numbers but that cannot seriously be possible.

[hard ivy]

YES, it is that shit

that's why I fucking hate it

[fathom shuttle]

I have enough spaghetti already

[primal haven]

#screenshots message

like this

[hard ivy]

I ran the numbers and it'd need to give like 5x more energy per rod to be actually worth the SAM and Bauxite it costs

[reef basin]

afaik ficsonium is power positive

[hard ivy]

that's kinda irrelevant to this discussion?

[leaden ether]

Well not really as you said it wastes power, that you end up with less power by running the process whereas I was saying that even though it's efficiency may be lower at that stage it is a net plus for total power generation.

[primal haven]

the point others are trying to make is that it you craft plutonium rods, you have two choices at that point in time: sink for tickets or burn for power. If you sink them, you are not choosing the power it would give you

[reef basin]

there's two ways of looking at "power efficient":

• does converting Pu Rods to ficsonium give enough power?
• is ficsonium chain more power than just uranium

I'm just clarifying that while the second one is debatable (depending on what are your limits and such), the first one is true

[hard ivy]

you get less power per SAM and bauxite from Ficsonium than from bauxite to uranium converison and uranium rods and sinking plutonium

[reef basin]

sure, but see... that wasn't part of my message

[hard ivy]

and storing the plutonium waste gives you the most resource efficient nuclear

it's just ficsonium that's terrible

if you want clean, sinking plutonuim is less effort per usable MW

[reef basin]

if you want sinkless tho

[leaden ether]

Heh okay well now there is some of the proof of mechanism that might sway me. Though Storing waste is something I would always abore personally.

[primal haven]

thats why I dont like allowing plutonium rods to be sinkable

[reef basin]

^

[primal haven]

it subverts the whole clean energy from nuclear thing

technically sinking plutonium rods is clean so why go any further

[hard ivy]

if ficsonium was cheaper/gave more power, burning ficsonium would be worth it even if you wanted sinkless and wasteless

[reef basin]

if you want sinkless, you either store waste or make ficsonium

if you don't want to store waste, you make ficsonium 😉

[leaden ether]

It is surprising that they are sinkable, as much as I was surprised that power shards are NOT sinkable and that had to be specifically on purpose to make some of the final end chain processes very uh, "tight"/finicky/ challenging to do

[marble fractal]

Is there anyway to automatically change the color of foundations before u place them?

[hard ivy]

threy're sinkable because they've been made sinkable when they were added

to make nuclear wasteless

[sullen gull]

You can right click on the swatches to set the defaults.

[trim vine]

right click the colour palate in the X menu

[marble fractal]

Ah thanks

[hard ivy]

And now they've added another method for wasteless nuclear, and it's unlocked later, so i'd fucking think it would be better

but the only justification for it are ridiculous restrictions

[reef basin]

well primary purpose of ficsonium isn't power generation (though it is power positive)

[trim vine]

You lose power if you go through ficsonium

no?

[hard ivy]

nah

[reef basin]

afaik you don't

[hard ivy]

it's just not worth the cost

[primal haven]

like how little is it positive?

[reef basin]

if you have pu fuel rods that you sink, and then instead burn them and convert to ficsonium and burn, you are net power positive

it's not even "little" afaik, it's pretty decent power boost

[hard ivy]

it makes 34% more than it costs to make. not including the plutonium (depends on the recipes too for sure)

[reef basin]

(and yeah, there are other methods that yield more power from given resources or so, but that's not my point)

[primal haven]

Well what about if you run out of bauxite? I guess youd need to go through to ficsonium to increase power?

[hard ivy]

it costs bauxite

[primal haven]

I mean after youve already tapped all of the bauxite and all of the uranium on the map

[hard ivy]

make baxuite from copper

[primal haven]

i guess youd eventually run out?

[hard ivy]

yes

[primal haven]

could be a new end game goal

[delicate nymph]

just finished phase 2

[primal haven]

did someone already build the most power thats possible?

[delicate nymph]

took 22 hours

[hard ivy]

doubt it

[leaden ether]

Not sure but a number of people seem to have the goal of consuming ever bit of uranium on the planet at least 🙂

[hard ivy]

maybe on creative

[hard ivy]

with resource conversion, you can make and use nearly 10k uranium. wasteless

[leaden ether]

It would be a fun goal. Something a youtuber might do

[hard ivy]

it's 10k machines without OC

[lost wagon]

what the hell is a priority splitter that you can select in the modeler?

[delicate nymph]

any tips for my first phase 3 factory build

[hard ivy]

it sends items out the top first

[delicate nymph]

currerntly my factory is a bowl of pasta

[lost wagon]

it's an item? Because google doesn't tell me anything

it just link smart splitter

[hard ivy]

smart splitter in game

[lost wagon]

oh it's a setting for it?

[hard ivy]

overflow

that's the lower priority output

[white dawn]

Might be something from a mod

[lost wagon]

if I am producing 90 of something and I want to send 60 to one place and 30 to other, is there an easy way of doing this outside splitter/merging balance shenanigan?

[hard ivy]

yes, a single splitter

[lost wagon]

doesn't it just send 45 to each

[hard ivy]

just make sure the side that's supposed to get 30 actually consumes 30

and then it'll get 45, fill up, and then only consume 30

and the other will then get the 60

[fathom shuttle]

The fuel generators has 4 v6 engines, seems like a rather inefficient design

[oak night]

Are there any smaller lights for like lighting up my 8M high logistic floors?

[hard ivy]

ceiling or wall lights?

[oak night]

was hoping for something smaller

[hard ivy]

signs maybe?

but idk if they glow without lumen

[white dawn]

Yeah, they don't actually illuminate unless you have Global Illumination enabled

(They still look like they'd light things up, and look neat regardless, but don't actually provide light to anything around them)

[fathom shuttle]

Lumen looks bad in this game anyway

[white dawn]

But yeah, if you want to use the "standard" lights in factories, you've definitely got to plan for the headroom for 'em; they're all pretty chonky

[white dawn]

Yeah, I don't like how it looks in-game. Makes for nice screenshots though.  :D

[delicate nymph]

should i fully rebuild my factory for phase 3 or add on to my origonial one or should i move?

[fathom shuttle]

Move, that’s what I’m doing

[ebon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/idc-ok-cat-okk-okayy-gif-27085579

[delicate nymph]

what locaton do you reccomend for phase 3

[fathom shuttle]

For phase 3 you’ll be going for aluminum and oil production, so that requires an entirely different factory

[delicate nymph]

ah okay

[hard ivy]

Aluminum? that's after phase 3

[fathom shuttle]

There is a large lake on the map with lots of oil nearby, I’d move there and set up an oil refinery set up for power generation

[delicate nymph]

i can continue using my old one for the frames though

[delicate nymph]

do you have a screnshot of the map

[fathom shuttle]

Go to satisfactory calculator interactive map

[delicate nymph]

ill make a jetpack and head over there in a bit

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[delicate nymph]

thanks

[delicate nymph]

which lake is it?

[white dawn]

Honestly, just build all over the map, near the nodes that are convenient for the thing you want to make

There's no one location which is ideal for an entire phase, really. Especially as you keep moving further into the game

No need to restrict yourself to a "main base" of any sort

[open creek]

Your logistics capabilites will only increase as well, trains and trucks can be good if you want to try.

[delicate nymph]

got it

used to play in the pre release and didnt have a good enough pc to run the game untill now

[spark sky]

I thought I saw somewhere that we can use the text chat to do math calculations?

[delicate nymph]

press n

and type the math into the serch bar

[primal haven]

lay a road around the whole map when you get trucks and then you can just split off wherever you need, and add rail when you unlock it

[delicate nymph]

it shows the answers in the autofill box underneath

[spark sky]

I see, thanks.

[peak wasp]

I am now getting and analyzing hard-drives for hours now, just to get the alternate recipe "stitched Iron plates" and I didn't got it up now. Can someone explain me why the game doesn't want me to get it?

[spark sky]

I was trying to figure out how many rods I needed to make screws by hand.

I figured that if I had just enough, it would stop with the right ammount.

[sharp sentinel]

Is it possible to push a liquid directly vertical in a pipe if I use a pump?

[open creek]

One tip is do not select a recipe if you do not get the specific one you want. You cannot get repeat recipes in future hard drives

[primal haven]

you can also have more hard drives than recipes available

[fathom shuttle]

Save the game before you rescan the reload the save if you didn’t get the recipe you needed lol

[primal haven]

i dont know if i could skip getting iron wire and iron pipe early on

[peak wasp]

the thing is, I cant build my factory, because to get it running, I need this one recipe. and yes, I nearly finished tier 4 and dont have a real factory.

[sharp sentinel]

So, if the mk1 only does 20m upwards does that mean I can't use it at all to lift 28m up?

Or could I achieve it with two?

[open creek]

You can use a pump to increase the height yes

[leaden ether]

At some point may have been in phase 4 I got sick of not having many alt recopies and I spent days seeking out ever drive I could get that didn't require some high level item I didn't have, which was like all but 3 or so. Was a huge loong PITA but I finally got most of them and finished the rest off later.

[open creek]

You will just need 2

[sharp sentinel]

In a row, or 20m up for the second one?

[open creek]

Just make sure when you lock the hologram you see how far the blue ring travels

It is a visual indicator of how much flow you have

[spark sky]

In a way, I wish we could skip unlocking jump pads, I have not found them particularly useful.

[leaden ether]

Yes, you need to place the second pump at, ideally, 19 meters above the first one, you can't put them next to each other

[delicate nymph]

any tips for the jetpack

[open creek]

Another thing is any pipe below your highest point will not need a pump

[delicate nymph]

just unlocked it it

[open creek]

Space bar spam to preserve momentum, it does not provide a lot of lift

So blade runner slide jump to get initial height

[sharp sentinel]

The refinery is so obnoxiously large...

[peak wasp]

I finally got what I wanted. I was nearly going crazy.

[sharp sentinel]

I wish there was a version just for liquids.

Trying to build a factory around it, but it's so freakishly large that it isn't working out.

[wise junco]

So satisfied

[trim vine]

Solid Biofuel - ass
Fuel - ass
Liquid Biofuel - S Tier
Turbofuel - B Tier
Rocket Fuel - A Tier
Ionized Fuel - idk

[delicate nymph]

ill copy that thanks

using solid biofuel currerntly

[trim vine]

Get you a liquid biofuel set up somewhere with a fatty stack of materials and a dimensional depot, and then forget about it

liquid biofuel burns the longest by about x4/x6

Turbofuel and up burn fast but have very high lift

[delicate nymph]

not sure how to make liquid biofule yet though

[trim vine]

regular fuel is just bad, and solid biofuel is worse

[trim vine]

Check the MAM or your tier list, I forget where it is

[open creek]

Just water and solid into a refinery

[trim vine]

Tier 5, Fluid Packaging

[hard ivy]

Ionized is also S imo

[trim vine]

how long does it burn

[hard ivy]

If you hover, slightly longer than liquid biofuel iirc

[trim vine]

interesting, but makes sense, if I am blowing power shards for that shit

[hard ivy]

And has much faster acceleration - worse for building, but much better for exploration

[trim vine]

Liquid Biofuel is S tier for building, and S tier for long distance, but going up sucks xD

[delicate nymph]

thanks ill unlock it next

[delicate nymph]

wheres the spot again

im going to move there once i know where it is

[faint epoch]

guys im in a tornado warning

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[delicate nymph]

how do i start the phase 3 and oil stuff

[faint epoch]

bruh im fearing for my life

get oil

[hard ivy]

Start by making some plastic and rubber for unlocks

And for building

[fathom shuttle]

Show me your map

[faint epoch]

i would make fuel and then use the resine to make rubber and stuff with water

[hard ivy]

Like 100-300/min should be relatively easy and enough for personal use

After that, get alts. Phase 3 gives several very important ones

But get jetpack and nobelisks first. Maybe gas mask

[fathom shuttle]

Def get nobelisks, especially cluster ones

[faint epoch]

gas mask you can dely just use noblisk to kil the gas tower

[fathom shuttle]

Makes clearing land way easier

[faint epoch]

fabric resaerch is annoing

[hard ivy]

Eh, I usually use normals until nukes

Cluster is annoying and doesn't really do much more damage

[delicate nymph]

cant post images here

[fathom shuttle]

Tbh I mainly use them because they’re way cooler

[delicate nymph]

ill message you

[fathom shuttle]

Ok

[faint epoch]

i like cluster for killing trees and stuff cuse the blast raids

[lean plover]

can a large train (8 wagon 2 locomotive) use a smaller station (2 platform) as a stop?

[faint epoch]

yeah i did it

[hard ivy]

It can stop at any station

[sharp sentinel]

This factory just to make packaged fuel looks so dumb, but took so much work and makes me so happy aaah.

[faint epoch]

how do people do the really cool curve in builds

[open creek]

Am looking to join someone or find someone to play with.

[faint epoch]

ok

i will

[hard ivy]

#1201555265942724758

[lean plover]

cool thx 🙏

[hard ivy]

Just make sure it doesn't load/unload anything you don't want it to

[faint epoch]

need some help with alumin build any ideas

[edgy dawn]

Can anyone help me with using a Steam Deck? I keep seeing people say you need to change the controller layout. But the specific options they say...I can't find.

[edgy dawn]

I'm not quite at alumin, or I'd brainstorm with you lol.

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758

[faint epoch]

im mean aluminum i suck at spelling

[dense violet]

what's the issue with it?

[edgy dawn]

If this is in response to my question, I launch the game and get to the main menu. But can't do anything. Cursor doesn't show, and no controls work.

[edgy dawn]

Yeah, im at the tier right before that with rubber and all that.

[dense violet]

no it was the alum guy

do a search in #1038092680493801533 or reddit is your best bet

[dry mulch]

why is it so hard to find ppl to play with, even in the LFG

[faint epoch]

ok

[dense violet]

the vast majority of people don't want to play with others, especially strangers

[faint epoch]

i am board d m me if you want to play in my world no 90+ people

[dense violet]

oh so you don't have an actual aluminium problem

[edgy dawn]

Tbh, I don't get why people don't want to do multiplayer. I enjoy jumping on and helping others.

[faint epoch]

i need to build it just lookiung for advice

[dry mulch]

@edgy dawn would you wanna hop in and run some then?

[dense violet]

keep waste and fresh water split between different sections of refineries. That way it'll never break and it's really easy

besides that it's basically like anything else

[edgy dawn]

I'd look online at blueprints for it. Get ideas from there.

[faint epoch]

thanks you

[dense violet]

you don't learn much staring at other people's blueprints and even less by downloading and using them

[faint epoch]

is this a good outline

[delicate nymph]

can i get rid of the automated wiring section of the factory or will i need them again at some point

[edgy dawn]

Can't. Trying to get the game to work on my steam deck atm. Also can't do voice chat right now if I do get it to work.

[faint epoch]

look in screen shots in a miute

[dry mulch]

agreed, I like the blueprint tutorials more than the "hey download this and your factory will be cooler"

[open creek]

I just checked my DMs lol

[faint epoch]

dm me if you want to see my world

[delicate nymph]

??

[swift goblet]

Hello...is there a mod out there that can tell me what a resource can be used with? I.E., I have compacted coal and would like to see other things to use it for. Thanks.

[primal haven]

they are used to make newer parts for the space elevator

[faint epoch]

compact coal is used in turbo fuel

[delicate nymph]

k ill just bypass it for now

[swift goblet]

@faint epoch other than that

[sullen gull]

You can see that by hitting O and searching what you're wanting to look up/

[elder apex]

the in-game Codex will tell you everything you can currently use something with, if you want to know everything you ever will be able to use something with best to check the wiki

[dense violet]

it's called the wiki

[open creek]

The codex will tell you all recipes you unlocked for a rescource, and hide the other ones

[swift goblet]

thank you

[faint epoch]

DM me to play in teir 8 world

[wheat yew]

GAAH NO I'M OLD NOW

[faint epoch]

welcome to the club

[zenith pecan]

I kind of miss the days of when a giant beacon or chainsaw would blight the horizon, that was hilarious.

[wheat yew]

I mean, i'm a player since alpha- nevermind...

[faint epoch]

any one wonna see my world

[wheat yew]

old nuclear power plant, coal gens without water, really dark grass in green fields... beautiful since launch

[wheat yew]

you could send it in #screenshots

[faint epoch]

that does work give me a miute

[wheat yew]

alright! hopefully someone sees it

[faint epoch]

look now

[steady glade]

cpoy paste message linl

[zenith pecan]

@gray marlin discord doesn't embed mkv files, you need to use mp4s #screenshots message

[gray marlin]

i dont know how to record in deferent file types in OBS

[hard ivy]

Just use an online converter for this file

[cyan garnet]

Use the codex- press O in game

Oh dang I was scrolled back lol. I see like 10 people beat me to this

[sharp sentinel]

Just discovered Biocoal... Huh.

[dense violet]

very decent for munitions factories

[zenith pecan]

The vid didn't capture the damned mouse pointer, but you see the recording tab shown, the output format is there: #off-topic-media message

[white dawn]

It's a niche recipe for sure, though some folks find it useful

[sharp sentinel]

I went for it because it just sounded really amusing to have.

[granite dove]

#screenshots message speaking of biocoal

[solar plume]

I need someone to play with please, just DM me if you'd like. +16

[steady glade]

post in #1201555265942724758

[delicate nymph]

can someone send me a list of quick swap hotbars
i cant seem to find good ones myself

[sour ledge]

y'know, my factory layouts get much nicer once i get rail going - i tend to do modular factories, i've got nice things like programmable splitters, and the sprawl doesn't have to well... sprawl.

But there's a certain chaotic beauty to my 'starter' factory area before rail is installed as i just shove machines in to try and get things "off the ground" that none of my modular factories really achieve...

though i will admit i will be glad not to make any more factories using manufactories that don't have programmable splitters.

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758

a whole forum for that

[tropic plover]

So the Alien Power Augmenter will essentially double my power output?
Does it only double what I have when I build it or does it keep doubling as I add to the grid?

[dense violet]

10%

[steady glade]

not quite

[tropic plover]

And Sommersloops are hard to find, obviously used 1 to get the research but still only have 7 in my storage

[dense violet]

it's a duping mechanic. Dupes power or items made.

It's mostly a 'play less' mechanic

[tropic plover]

For now I want more power...Item creation, as tedious as it is, I see as the whole point to the game so if it takes me longer to make things, I am okay with it.
Still my first playthrough so learning a bunch still

[steady glade]

get more hard drives and get oil power

[dense violet]

power production is exactly the same as creating an 'item'

in this case it's unit of power.

you can easily get to like tier 7 on coal power. Make a few blueprints and dedicate 4 coal nodes.

[tropic plover]

Currently on tier 5&6 with 900mw of power in my grid

[steady glade]

wait what?

[tropic plover]

5 Coal nodes and 12 coal power plants

[dense violet]

yeah you need to dedicate more coal/oil to power.

48-64 coal gens is pretty normal

over clock your miners. and you might be over feeding them? even if they are impure you can burn more coal than that

[steady glade]

how many are impure? better yet, which biomes are your nodes in?

[civic oar]

dude id try to double that at least, and you should be able to at a 200% overclock on 4 mk1 miners at a normal node each one feeding 6 gens and 8 water pumps at 150% overclock each feeding 3 for a ton of power and you gain one more node thats close to power for steel production

[carmine imp]

Anyone else notice the funny glitch with the paraglider that lets you like fly up ramps and stuff. Like it thinks you are just floating in the air still so you keep your gliding momentum but you are sliding up the ramp

[tropic plover]

All I have built so far is in the starter biome from the tutorial. I'd have to check how many are impure but I think only 1...not sure.
1 node is supplying 6 power plants and my foundy for Steel Ingots.
Then another is dedicated to a second foundry and then the other 3 nodes are set up to 2 power plants each

[dense violet]

find a good distant set of coal nodes, dedicate it entirely to power

keeping power and item production seperate will make your life much easier in the long run

you don't want any changes to a factory messing with power production

[steady glade]

you need to explore, get a bunch of coal nodes dedicated to power alone, ideally close to a lot of water, maybe also ||get hard drives and find a better solid fuel||

[tropic plover]

Tagged you in #screenshots to show my current Hard drives.
Saw a tutorial on YT that said to never choose an option on hard drives as the game wont give you an option that you already have

Thatyou should only choose alternate recipies once you have all hard drives collected

[dense violet]

like many satisfactory tutorials that exist, it's pretty dumb. You then cannot use the extremely convenient recipes for most of yoru way up the tiers

you're never locked out of getting any recipe.

pick recipes based on what you're making

think that Solid Steel Ingot recipe would be useful for your next project that uses steel?
damn right it will be

[steady glade]

and take the industrial pipe and polymer resin

[dense violet]

hah, solid steel is in the image.

it's very powerful general use recipe. You need more steel? grab it

[dense violet]

polymer resin??

[gentle jacinth]

real quick is there any way to delete materials or ores? or would i just turn off my drills, because i constantly have to make more storage and more storage after that

[dense violet]

that's fairly niche compared to cat CBs

[dense violet]

1. Just let the machines shut down when full
2. don't store ores, it's pointless

[ionic forge]

alright, i got a xenobasher, how do i parry

[primal haven]

you will unlock something called a sink that will eat everything you dont want

[steady glade]

space

[marble fractal]

Is there a Wikipedia on the awesome sink?

[dense violet]

in the wiki

[delicate nymph]

if it overflows the mechines automaticly stop aswell

[steady glade]

satisfactory.wiki.gg the official one

[hard ivy]

How about you just check yourself instead of asking?

[delicate nymph]

once your get the awesome sink make sure to use it for all extra items so you can get tickets

tickets unlock more blueprints and things

[marble fractal]

I don’t know where

[dense violet]

!wikisearch

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=undefined

[marble fractal]

Thank u

[faint epoch]

im listing to moby dick

[delicate nymph]

how do i make plastic

[severe tree]

is there a option on scim to use sloomersloops? its giving me impossible production otherwise

[faint epoch]

oil or resin

[hard ivy]

Refinery

[faint epoch]

yes mam resech

[hard ivy]

No, and SCIM's production planner is a terrible calculator in general

[faint epoch]

true

i dont even use calculaturs

[severe tree]

got any other suggestions i could use then to plan things?

[hard ivy]

Satisfactory Tools

Better in every way IMO

[delicate nymph]

what fov is the best

[faint epoch]

default

[hard ivy]

I use 90 but there is no "best". Find one you like

[hard ivy]

My condolences

[faint epoch]

nah 20 is best trust

[untold ember]

how the heck do i get my conveyor lifts to build like how the hologram looks? the "lift" part of it is on the wrong side

[faint epoch]

honestly i just use a normal calculater to do math

other wise i just look what i need

[untold ember]

it always builds with the lift bars on the side opposite the input port. but the hologram shows them on teh same side as the input port (and thats how it want it to be)

[severe tree]

i`m not seeing a way to use sloomersloops on satisfactory tools, i assume it doesnt have a option either?

[hard ivy]

You can simulate sloops using the inputs tab or by halving the output

If you really want sloops, there's satisfactory logistics and satisfactory modeler, but I'd say they aren't as good as tools

You might like one of them more, though, idk

Oh, and FactorioLab

[dense violet]

it doesn't but generally the most 'efficien't way is to tack them on to the end production anyway

[severe tree]

my problem is i`m doing a big endgame ficsonium fuel and i need to use sloomersloops for the trigons (or ingots) specifically due to the low amount of sam so its making calculations wacky

[dense violet]

double the sam at teh constructors

easy to set the sam ore as more that way

[hard ivy]

Iirc, for that the most sloop efficient is slooping RSAM, then Trigons, then Ficsite Ingots (assuming from aluminum)

[pine tulip]

this game is very satisfactory

[marble fractal]

This game has gotten so much more enjoyable when I started organizing factories

[pine tulip]

organization? Never heard of it

[marble fractal]

lol

[pine tulip]

check #screenshots and you will see

[marble fractal]

That’s organized tho?

I sent mine

Why do my machines disappear sometimes? Too much clutter

[delicate nymph]

i need to split 2 max speed inputs into 5 outputs

how should i go about that

really need to do that urgently

any ideas?

[marble fractal]

No

[boreal musk]

split into 6 ways and merge 1 back into line

[lucid monolith]

I hate that I waited 10 minutes for a hard drive only to get steel screws and iron wire, so I reroll only to get a recipe that lets me automate personal miners and the other one was coal + quarts 😭

[delicate nymph]

where do i merge the one back into

[boreal musk]

the line before you split them

[cyan belfry]

Uh splitter, take two outputs and put those into splitters, and merge one output from each splitter(2nd layer)

[delicate nymph]

each line split 3 ways and one readded to the begining to one of the sides

ill try to figure it out

not used to makeing these i usuily use manifolds

[dense violet]

just have 2 manifolds that meet in the middle. Use smart splitters set to over flow for each one

[delicate nymph]

dont have smart splitters unlocked yet

[marble fractal]

I don’t think u need em

[steady glade]

u need 3 splitters and 2 priority mergers

[dense violet]

oh, then just make 2 completely seperate lines with 2 machines and a 3rd clocked to 50%

also research your MAM stuff, it's critical

[delicate nymph]

oh that makes it easy

should have thought of that thanks a ton

i know how to do it now

(if your wondering im making a 5 gigawatt gas power plant)

[dense violet]

gas?

[marble fractal]

I tried making the 2 conveyer into 5 and failed miserably

[delicate nymph]

oil

[dense violet]

well the solution we just got to is just make 2x 2.5 lines

[dense violet]

were you asking about pipes, not belts?

[marble fractal]

I’m gonna send mine in screen shots

[dense violet]

I mean if it's just spaghetti I've seen that before

[delicate nymph]

belts

[dense violet]

what belt work are you doing? diluted packaged fuel?

[delicate nymph]

i also barely understand pipes currerntly

[marble fractal]

I tried splitting the 2 into 4 and then dividing each of the 4 in half

[delicate nymph]

refineing plastic

[dense violet]

ah the byproduct. Gotcha

[delicate nymph]

just didn't have a lot of space

[shy mulch]

what mk of belt are you considering "max"

[delicate nymph]

max for the tear i have currerntly

[steady glade]

i sent a rough sketch #screenshots message

[delicate nymph]

tried to make things compact

[shy mulch]

specifically which belt though, it's relevant

[twilit tinsel]

im cooking up absolute slop rn 💜

[delicate nymph]

allready solved the issue but its tear 3

so quite slow for what im doing

[shy mulch]

that solution won't work if the input to the priority mergers is already the max for his belts

if I knew exactly which mk of belt he is using, then I can solve this cleanly

how many items per minute

[steady glade]

thats the point, with one belt stopped from outputting, the others will take on the extra load

[steady glade]

the formula wont change depending on the belt speed

[shy mulch]

my solution will use multiple different mk of belt, to limit certain areas

the ratios aren't all the same

[steady glade]

i thought it was a 2-5 balancer

[shy mulch]

yes, but the general solutions for a 2-5 balancer that get posted don't work when your inputs are already maxed, because they involve a return line being merged into the input which is more than the belts can handle

[delicate nymph]

i just placed a 2 underclocked ones

works fine so far

[shy mulch]

if you have a PM with 1200 going in one side from your factory, and another input from a splitter, the output can never be more than 1200 so the splitter will get backed up

can you not share what mk of belt you are using? I'd love to solve this properly

[delicate nymph]

what are the numbers on the top left for

[minor vale]

so when you middle click to select a building to build, if it's a building that produces stuff, you also copy the recipie and settings of the building you middle clicked on.
is that a new 1.1 feature because I do not remember that.

[elder apex]

if so, yes it is, because i'm still on 1.0 and it definitely does not copy the recipe with middle click

[minor vale]

Well, hats off to whoever thought of that then because it's proving incredibly helpful.

Copy and pasting the same thing between 10 different machines was always an annoying part of the process.
Much easier to have that done as you build.

[meager herald]

hey guys i have a question, do power shards run out eventually? or they are infinite

[dense violet]

last forever

[minor vale]

power shards last forever, the negative drawback to them is their initailly limited supply and the fact that machines use exponentially more power when overclocked.

[dense violet]

a max overclocked system only uses 33% more power.

[minor vale]

that is factually incorrect
it's exponential growth.

For example, this MK2 miner i'm currently looking at uses 15MW at 100%

and 50.4 at 250%

[dense violet]

if you fully over clock a system, every machine at 250% that produces X ppm

it will turn out to cost 33% more in power than every machine would have been at 100%

this is because you need far fewer machines

so if you make 100 HMF pm with every machine at 100%

VS

100HMF pm with every machine clocked at 250% (same recipes)

you will only use 33% more power with the OC system

[steady cedar]

I accidentally found that in 1.1 experimental was like wait could i always do this?

[meager herald]

what do you mean limited supply?

[dense violet]

there's finite slugs on teh map. but enough for like 5000 shards

[minor vale]

There's only so many power slugs around for you to get.
but eventually you can make your own shards without them.

[dense violet]

so ... limited is a loose term here
later you can just make them

[meager herald]

oh im so far away from 5000

[dense violet]

yeah, it's not hard to find them

[dense violet]

if you use the sloop mechanic on the machiens to make the powe rshards you double your output

[minor vale]

My best advice
don't craft any slugs into power shards until you do research on soomersloops
because then you can multiply your shards.

2x per slug

[meager herald]

my max consumption is 200 so im like at the very start

[dense violet]

you can absolutely make some early shards w/o slooping and not miss out on anything. There's literally thousands of shards available on the map

[meager herald]

cant you like scan for slugs?

[minor vale]

yes

[meager herald]

i saw one at MAM so i dont think its the end of the world if i make some early shards

[minor vale]

object scanner. that you build in the equpment workshop

[steady cedar]

You can but they aren't hard to find without scanner either

[dense violet]

they are scattered everywhere, it's not 🙂
but you can research sloops pretty early too

[gentle jacinth]

is it possible for fauna / wildlife to go extinct

[minor vale]

no

they'll respawn in any area that doesn't have powered buildings down.

[meager herald]

is it somersloop?

where can i find them exactly?

not a spot but like any clues or tips to find them

[dense violet]

it's kinda a cheesy in game duping mechanic.

I don't mind them for power shards just because it's not an automated system though

[meager herald]

ik every map is different

[gentle jacinth]

weird, i just killed 20 of those big things in forest and ada got mad and none spawn anymore

[minor vale]

no it's not lmao

[dense violet]

caves? out of the way places mostly. Video game logic basically

[meager herald]

wait really?

[dense violet]

it's all one map