satisfactory

[leaden ether]

Multiple floors. Dedicate one floor for each one or maybe two items

Atleast when you reach the level that you need 20-30 of one kind of machine to make enough of one item...

[ember marten]

is there any way to exploit a mk1 miner that does 240 items/s with only mk2 belts

[desert arch]

hmm after updating to 1.1 I can't place a coal-powered generator into the blueprint designer anymore 😦 "Buildables in a designer cannot be connected to world buildables". Any idea why?

[spiral dew]

doing a mall right now - this is just iron plate/rod/screws #screenshots message

[leaden ether]

I.e. #screenshots message

[shadow torrent]

Does anybody know what the prerequisites are for "Caterium Electronics" in the MAM? I cannot research it and that is starting to bother me.

[reef basin]

wiki knows

[magic knoll]

I haven't played since 1.0, so we're doing Onboarding again

the first factory lives

[sullen gull]

Screenshots also help.

Otherwise I believe it started with caterium ore. then ingots, quick wire, then other items along the way.

[magic knoll]

also will there be a 1.2

[shadow torrent]

#screenshots message

[shadow torrent]

The wiki page for the MAM didn't list anything

[sullen gull]

Need to make quick wire.

[shadow torrent]

I have quickwire. I've sunk millions of it.

[sullen gull]

Then take a 100 and give it to the mam 🙂

Or, rather, put 100 in your inventory and then research it.

[shadow torrent]

Ok, that worked despite the MAM still showing me the lock icon ...

[sullen gull]

The lock is just saying that portion is locked, and yyour 'reward' for the research is unlocking it.

iirc, there are a couple others that are similar, but on different branches.

[shadow torrent]

Ok, i interpreted that as me needing somethign else to unlock it. Especially since there is an "open lock" icon for some other stuff ...

[reef basin]

it shows the whole MAM tree

[sullen gull]

I could see how that could be confusing. Basically, they all should say "Cost:" and then what the research needs right under it.

[sullen gull]

I think they were just saying they were confused because it was probably the first they came across with a lock symbol and no reward 🤷‍♂️

[versed quest]

How do I fix the fact that my game keeps dropping to like 5 fps randomly

[sharp sentinel]

So excited, going to try and build modular, multi-floor factories this time instead of The World of Spaghetti.

[shadow torrent]

This, basically.

[sullen gull]

But yeah, not completely the most intuitive, but basically the Lock just means thats your 'reward' for that research path

[scarlet canopy]

When placing a conveyor lift between two floor holes attaching splitters results in them being 0.5m off to machines. Any idea how I can get around that problem?

[sharp sentinel]

Anyone else like having a storage container that most assembly lines split off to so you can grab resources down the line?

[sullen gull]

I think many just use the Dimensional Depots for that task now.

Pre-those, I did for sure though.

[sharp sentinel]

I do in my other save, but I started a new one to see. I was curious because back in EA when I talked about it I got lambasted for the very idea of my factories not making exactly as much as I needed at all times.

[sullen gull]

Yeah, that little one off belt, especially is just a 'stubby' shouldn't be hurting anything. Unless you grab a bunch at once and mess up the flow perhaps 🤷‍♂️

[shell grove]

god I feel like an absolute fool... was trying to figure out why my pipelines for Turbo Fuel weren't filling up properly... I forgot a single pipeline that made only 2/5 refineries be actually properly hooked up

[hearty kindle]

Factory

[novel jacinth]

is there a command to retrieve my death crate? it spawned in the void

[sullen gull]

Yyou can try and use SCIM

[novel jacinth]

what's scim

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[novel jacinth]

oh that

[sullen gull]

Sorry, was getting the link.

[novel jacinth]

completely forgot the game has 3 autosave slots so i just rolled back my save instead

[spice ether]

Hello, what mods are you advising for a simple pack of mod ?

[zenith pecan]

Hello there, this isn't the best place for asking about mods although some folks will have good knowledge, I personally am clueless on them since I play purely vanilla.

[spice ether]

Sorry, I didn't know, I am just wondering because I don't exactly know where to search/ask

[zenith pecan]

Fair enough, there is a modding discord, however I have been told repeatedly it is increadibly quiet.

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @zenith pecan

[spice ether]

Oh thanks I will try

[ivory condor]

What your specs, graphics settings, etc?

[solid light]

I this on xbox yet

I'm ready to play

[zenith pecan]

Not yet afik but it is well and truly on the cards.

[radiant onyx]

are there valve equivalents for conveyors?

[zenith pecan]

I wish I could offer more than that but I haven't seen any further news.

[solid light]

yeah I keep checking everyday. it's so close

[zenith pecan]

Nope, the closest you'll get is the use of splitters/mergers and differing mark belts, really though, you don't need it with manifolds. (edit) and smart splitters with overflow.

[minor vale]

Started a new save again.
getting the first coal power online always feels very good.

[teal geyser]

Anyone having an issue with auto connecting belts on blueprints not connecting? There is a tiny pixel gap between the 2 belts meeting

[reef basin]

no (and valves don't really have a use anyway)

[radiant onyx]

what if i wanna shut off certain production lines

to not use up a resource that i want in the middle of a production line

[minor vale]

then add a power switch for you to shut down.

[reef basin]

why would you want to do that? (and if you really want, just disconnect power)

[radiant onyx]

alright

also, how do i make it so that only excess gets fed to the sink

[reef basin]

better to keep all production lines running all the time

smart splitter

[proper hound]

smart splitter?

[trim sable]

I wasn't prepared for ADA to say "Choo Choo mother******"

[radiant onyx]

how does the smart splitter help

[minor vale]

it literally has an overflow option.

[teal geyser]

Now I'm excited lol

[radiant onyx]

oh i see

[sharp sentinel]

Speaking of, is there a way to get Ada to replay specific lines?

[trim sable]

Lol

[sullen gull]

Hit O

[minor vale]

press, O and click inbox on the top left.

[sullen gull]

And go to inbox

[sharp sentinel]

After I delight myself with that I need to work on a modular solid biofuel factory.

[bitter basin]

Guys. My truck bugged inside a cliff. What can I do?

[spiral dew]

pretty happy with this approach to build project parts ad hoc from mall storage #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Give it a sec, it should auto correct, and edit/re record route

[bitter basin]

It won't.

[ivory condor]

Autoconnect has known issues that weren't fixed for stable unfortunately

[bitter basin]

It glitched inside the cliff.

[teal geyser]

But its not the end of the world for me, so no big deal lol

[sullen gull]

Was it in autopilot? or were you driving it?

If it's stuck and not moving, you can either reload a previous save, or try to move/delete it with SCIM.

[sharp sentinel]

I've already failed to go entirely modular, but I can at least do a lot cleaner than I usually do.

[sour ledge]

y'know, for everything else an old, outdated factory can still do its thing. But I always feel a little bad when i move from bio power to coal power and just wipe out the big ol' power plant i had before, but i really can't... justify keeping a couple dozen biofuel generators around and stocked, either.

[solemn glacier]

Always good for backup power

[sour ledge]

yeah but its basically a really messy battery bank at that point

[solemn glacier]

Don’t need to keep them stocked either

[mortal ginkgo]

you can convert biofuel to fluid biofuel which is great to farm and kickstart other stuff when needed

[solemn glacier]

Yeah
Also, you could just keep it there:Like Jace said in a video sometime, you will run out of fps before space

[minor vale]

after playing on and off for years, i've learned that the best approach to enjoying the game is trying to avoid being a perfectionist.

you tend to get nowhere and spend all your time rebuilding after letting a factory run for like... 1-2 milestones.

The exception to this is power setups, be a perfectionist on your power setup so you never lose power.

[maiden jacinth]

my factory is complete spaghetti
but im thinking of finishing a big turbofuel power plant and then moving to the rocky desert and building a big factory thats more organized

[sharp sentinel]

I connected thermal power to my last save, and it made it very not perfect. I had a huge overhead, but it was all over the place.

[maiden jacinth]

thermal power has like 1 use because of how all over the place it is imo

[minor vale]

geothermal needs to be connected to batteries to be made particularly useful.
To that end an array of geothermals as an emergency backup generator is nice.

[white dawn]

Only if you're running your power so close to capacity that the dips from geothermal cause your grid to trip, IMO

Which could be the case for a completely isolated geothermal grid, of course

But in general I like having enough power overhead that the dips don't even matter

[hollow vector]

it serves okish for power

[white dawn]

If a dip would've tripped the grid, I should've been building more power in the first place. :P

[maiden jacinth]

its amazing for kickstarting your main power if it goes down though

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384021699466756107/1381847820209885184/image.gif

[dapper forge]

does satisfactory tools optimize for power consumption ultimately? or number of buildings?
I checked the molded steel pipe alternate recipe but the calculator chose not to use it. It seems to me like it would be a good idea (I could be dead wrong though) since I have pure nodes of limestone nearby but the calculator didn't account for this recipe.

[hard ivy]

it optimizes for raw resources

[dapper forge]

Okay got it. That would automatically take care of power consumption + number of buildings I guess..

[reef basin]

you can disable the base recipe to force the one you want

[hard ivy]

the resources are weighted according to how many are available on the map (the less there is, the more "expensive" it is to the calculator)

[dapper forge]

I guess, but I just wanted to make sure tools does in fact do some optimization and I would be better off using it's plans..

[hollow vector]

dont use satisfactory tools

[hard ivy]

and note that this does not work in maximize mode

[hollow vector]

use satisfactory logistics https://satisfactory-logistics.xyz/factories/

[reef basin]

"better" depends on you - what Tools optimise for may not be what you want to optimise for

[hard ivy]

no thanks

logistics is laggy af

[hollow vector]

not for me

[prisma forge]

is the B-374 helmet a reference to the classic Doom helmet?

[reef basin]

what would be the benefit?

[fathom shuttle]

Do you need railway signaling to use trains b

[minor vale]

Some alternate recepies exist to eliminate the need to use certain resources.

Other's introduce other resources into a recipe to either lower the requirement of other resources or incrase effeciency in one way or another, like production speed or less steps.
By default most third party tools are going to automatically optimize for least input to most output.
Assuming you have no logistics issues in aquiring the resources for those recipies, and size or building limits and such.

[minor vale]

signals are needed for when you have more than 1 train on 1 track.

[fathom shuttle]

Oh alr

[hollow vector]

more modern ui

[maiden jacinth]

optimization is relative

[fathom shuttle]

What’s the throughput of trains/min?

[maiden jacinth]

if you have a pure limestone node nearby
using it is more efficient then finding more of another resource

[reef basin]

how do you even define "modern" UI lol

(Tools use very much up-to-date UI library)

[spiral dew]

think it's limited by station output ports

[maiden jacinth]

potentially infinite

[minor vale]

slightly lower than the max throughput of 2 belts per train car.
Since the train station stops loading items into it during loading/unloading of cars.

[hard ivy]

if modern means unreadeable I don't want modern

[fathom shuttle]

So if I have mk4 belts I’m limited to 960/min pretty much

[maiden jacinth]

cuz you can just add more cars
the real answer is that the throughput is enough

[hard ivy]

depends. on a lot of factors

[maiden jacinth]

just make sure that you have a storage container to buffer the input/output

[fathom shuttle]

Is it a smart idea to use it for pre transport?

[maiden jacinth]

because of the mentioned delay

[fathom shuttle]

Still mid game, phase 3. But I’m about to unlock phase 4

[hollow vector]

its readable

[reef basin]

honestly, anything that works is a smart idea

[fathom shuttle]

I just need 73 more modular engines and 100 more adaptive control units

[minor vale]

My biggest piece of advice for trains is to avoid having tracks cross that aren't actually connected to one another.

Will save you a lot of headaches in the future.

[fathom shuttle]

Is there a good guide you would recommend

[minor vale]

i'm sure someone has a guide, I just did trial and error, plus input from the server here.
well, not input rather watchign what went wrong with every one else.

[fathom shuttle]

Hm I see

[minor vale]

but if you want
This is how I do my train intersections.
#design-and-architecture message

[fathom shuttle]

What’s the fun in not figuring things out by myself yk

Plus I’m sure crashes will be fun

[minor vale]

oh yea
about the fact trains stop taking belt inputs/outputs during train loading/unloading.
To compensate for this, add storage bins on both ends of a trainsetup to prevent things from backing up.
an industrial storage container per train car on each end is enough to catch all issues.

[sharp sentinel]

Yasss, just made a self-powered biofuel factory with a splitter also filling a storage unit in case I need it later. So happy with myself.

[bleak garden]

is there a workaround for pipes getting throttle by junctions for no reason in multiplayer?

[minor vale]

the workaround probably involves finding the reason.
because junctions should not be doing that.

[bleak garden]

the main pipe before hitting a junction is near full with great flow rate and the 2 other connecting pipes get almost zero flow or water at all

[fathom shuttle]

I’m gonna be stuck in phase 4 for a long ass time

[minor vale]

two first questions then.
Is the headlift good enough?
Are you trying to exceed the 300 per minute limit of the MK1 pipe?

[maiden jacinth]

I think thats kinda the point tbf

phase 4 seems like the
build a real factory now phase

[fathom shuttle]

What machines do you have outputting the liquid!

[maiden jacinth]

you have the power
you have the logistic stuffs

[leaden ether]

A rare but annoying glitch: Did you connect the junction into the middle of an existing pipe? Sometimes it doesn't actually split the pipe and let water through the junction outputs.

[bleak garden]

headlift is fine for sure, and its only 180/min since I know 300 can be insonsistent

[bleak garden]

its literally just water extractors doing 180/min

[vague tree]

Quick question for y'all, I'm trying to work on hypertubes for the first time, but the junctions don't make any sense. I try to hold left to go out of another exit and only go straight. Is it only to make more entrances?

[bleak garden]

built as standalone first since i prefer to line it all up beforehand

[fathom shuttle]

Yea I’m gonna need a really big factory, will need a lot of bauxite right?

[minor vale]

you'll need aluminum for Mk5 belts so yea.

[wintry sluice]

does anyone know that if you lock a hologram, you can nudge it anywhere? like into the ground and into the air and then place it there

[south sinew]

I don't think it's actually that much, I made 720/min aluminum and I think it was way more than I actually needed

[maiden jacinth]

its more about the inputs that mean you need a bigger factory

[south sinew]

yes, that's an intended feature

[fathom shuttle]

How many of them and what’s pipeline are you using

[maiden jacinth]

before your inputs were simple
now you need a lot of pieces

[wintry sluice]

ok thanks

[maiden jacinth]

im basically gonna hand craft my way to blenders rn

[bleak garden]

it seems to be multiplayer related, since my friends has had this issue when he was joining me, and I am now having this issue when I'm joining a world

[maiden jacinth]

and then build a power plant
and then a megafactory

[fathom shuttle]

I’m about to build a mega factory for phase 4 since I cba to handcraft everything

[maiden jacinth]

phase 4 is what im talking about

[bleak garden]

1 extractor per pipe oc'd to 150% and mk.1 pipes

[fathom shuttle]

Like bro what is nuclear pasta

[maiden jacinth]

I want blenders so I can make turbofuel efficently
and then ill use a turbofuel power plant to build a megafactory

[south sinew]

delicious with tomato sauce?

[maiden jacinth]

but to get the materials to get there
im just slooping and hand feeding a bunch of machines

[frail sleet]

just a lil thing that you need a few thousand of 😄

[fathom shuttle]

Wait so you have 1 extractor going to 1 separate mk1 pipe that’s not connected to anything else?

[leaden ether]

Were not to know, we're engineers, not scientists. Just hook machines up as we are told to 😄

[terse vine]

so quick question. i plan on using all the uranium nodes for my nuclear power plant, so 2,100 pm. i also don't want any waste. I've come to a problem of i need about 34,000 sam. according to modular. so does anybody have thoughts on that lol.

[leaden ether]

Don't use converters... I made a 600/m nuke plant with zero sam. (zero waste)

[minor vale]

at this point I think nothing short of a screenshot to visually see the setup will help.

[frail sleet]

Which wasteless method are you trying to use? Sinking rods or burning ficsonium?

[bleak garden]

yes, 1 pipe from 1 extractor going up a few floors, then trying to split into 4 coal gens

[fathom shuttle]

Idk man, I’m beginning to question what FICSIT has in plan

[fathom shuttle]

Do you have enough lift pumps attacked?

[minor vale]

ok see that was actually al ot of context

see, pipe flow rate sucks unels the pipe is full of water.

Are all your pipes full of water?

[ivory condor]

Exploit resources of every planet they find

[minor vale]

or are your coal gens sucking it up constantly?

[fathom shuttle]

If you don’t have enough water lift pumps, the overlock the water extractor more so the lines can saturate faster

[minor vale]

I was gonna suggest turning 1 of the gens off and letting it go till the pipes are full, but either works.

[bleak garden]

I place more pumps than necessary to be safe

[fathom shuttle]

Ok then do what Zack said, turn off the coal generators

[minor vale]

when placing down a pump you'll be able to see the limit of headlift from the previous one and snap to it. So.. you should only actually ahve to place 1 initial pump, and then as needed for headlift.

[next umbra]

Why

[ivory condor]

Though I have to wonder if humanity at that point where the earth is dying because we killed it via automation, story seems to hint at that

[shut stream]

So our solution is to just do the same to other planets?

[next umbra]

Yes

[ivory condor]

Maybe its better we didn't get more of a story, just to see the earth turned into a automation hellscape

[next umbra]

Wall-e

Seems accurate

[maiden jacinth]

why do you assume ficsit needs a reason

theyre doing low cost planet colonization

[bleak garden]

this is what I do, 1 at the beginning and then I look at the visual indicators and i place them well below the max to be safe

[maiden jacinth]

theyre not even actually sending people
theyre sending a guy

to find planets they can potentially use in the future

[frail sleet]

a girl 😄

[minor vale]

there's an automatic snap point at the visiaul indicator though. gives you 100% of your lift capacityw ithout issue.

[next umbra]

Haven’t you seen Avatar they there because they crave minerals

[ivory condor]

Don't worry Ada is going to abandon humanity and go exist with the aliens instead

[bleak garden]

turning the gens off does what I expect, the gens fill up buts its really slow

[minor vale]

that's to be expected.

[maiden jacinth]

tru

but anyway my point is just that ficsit doesnt need a grand plan here

think about how much resources they invested into this project

near 0
and theyre not even trying hard enough to make sure that you get there safe

theres multiple crash sites because youre that disposable

[ivory condor]

Im certain there is no plan, beyond keeping humanity on life support a little longer

[maiden jacinth]

I think humanity is fine

[minor vale]

about the only things Ficsit sends you, that you do not build yourself
is a single xeno zapper. The space elevator cble and launch vehicle.

ANd your drop pod which you reuse as the base of your hub.
Also the resource shuttles

Everyting else the pioneer builds.

The space elevator anchor point
The rest of the hub.
Every building
And even the space elevator top project parts thingy

[maiden jacinth]

if you want anything doomsday esque
maybe ficsit got kicked out of earth

[terse vine]

maybe im not smart lol, not understanding the question. ask one more time mb

[fluid sapphire]

anyone notice how foundries for some reason require more clearance than assemblers even though they are very similar if not the same in width

[minor vale]

anyhow... I got 54 more coal generators to setup for my starter coal power plant.

[ivory condor]

Im picturing the earth being a wasteland

[frail sleet]

What are you doing with the uranium waste to make it wasteless

[terse vine]

oh wait im dumb, i would be burning ficsonium

[frail sleet]

see my ping in math and meta

[sharp sentinel]

What happens if I disassemble the hub while the pod is out?

[maiden jacinth]

why

[spiral dew]

stators are my least fav intermediate so far

[minor vale]

I don't want to make a fuel power setup until I have blenders

[bleak garden]

and now also as expected, i let everything fill up to full, gens and pipes, and when I turned em back on it they eventually ran themselves dry again, with the same junction choke point

[minor vale]

ok this is behaving weirdly now, do you have a screenshot of the setup you can post?

[radiant onyx]

does anyone build factories in the red bamboo forest lmao

[bleak garden]

wheres a good place to drop one

[minor vale]

I built this on my last save specifically to avoid fuel power till I had blenders lmao
#design-and-architecture message

[minor vale]

#screenshots

[broken thorn]

don't they work fine as long as you don't try to use them independently? Just attaching normally to a lift instead of using it alone

[fathom shuttle]

Now I wait 20 minutes for the adaptive control units to cook

[bleak garden]

water coming up from the red circled pipe, where flow and fill is great

[fathom shuttle]

And phase four here I come

[next umbra]

You cook them medium rare or? @fathom shuttle

[fathom shuttle]

To perfection

[minor vale]

I see a floor hole which might be your actual problem.

[next umbra]

I like floor holes

[minor vale]

I haven't played in like 6 months but i'm not sure if they ever fixed pipe floor holes.

[bleak garden]

i can try it without, but all my other gens using the same setup arent having this issue, and the pipe immediately coming up from the hole does fine

[terse vine]

thank you so much

[split pike]

Wow, my simple truck stop building blueprint causes the game to lock up. Not sure why it isn't happy with it.

[swift goblet]

Hello. How do you add any downloaded blue prints into the game. I have the files, now how do I make them work in game? Thank you.

[wintry sluice]

and you can place it?

[sharp sentinel]

What was the key sequence to apply a customisation to everything already built?

[south sinew]

dunno, I didn't try and actually click it, I just noticed I could nudge it into midair and the game left it with the placable outline

[radiant onyx]

do dismantle crate markers disappear after a while

[white dawn]

Nope, they'll stay there forever. You can disable the map/compass icons in the map settings, but the crates will remain until you pick them up

If you've got one in an inaccessible location, you can use SCIM to move or delete it (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map)

[stark sigil]

can anyone help me get my friends world uploaded to my game? i don't know how to do it 😦

[ionic forge]

currently have 3 coal power plants running

220 mw is enough til phase 2 right

[next umbra]

I just go and use 16 of em

[prisma forge]

#screenshots message

Fixed my power production rate

[spiral dew]

ive finally learned my lesson not to transport water

transport whatever you need to the water instead

[prisma forge]

valve flow rates are still confusing for me

[sleek crow]

I'm trying to place a foundation, but when I use H and Page Up or Down it moves horizontally not vertically. How do I go vertical?

[prisma forge]

check your controls

[sleek crow]

My controls are default

nvm i got it

[lyric gyro]

Can i change the color of the plates of the space elevator

The base is easily colorable as i made it white, but the peak has orange plates for some reason

The color palette doesnt even have orange, its just white with black

[half forge]

does foliage regrow

[onyx fern]

Is there a website like Satisfactory tools (or is there a way to do this on ST) where I can input a given amount of material and it works out how many of an item I can make from that? Rather than the other way around?

[spiral dew]

dont think so

[onyx fern]

No

[half forge]

ok ty

[lost wagon]

Is making mixed assembler/constructor and using smart splitter terribly inefficient? Compared to just tiling multiple of them all making just one thing

[sharp sentinel]

Just to confirm, first hard drive scan yields no alternative right? Just unlocks it?

[empty path]

it gives recipes yes

[sharp sentinel]

Odd. Mine didn't, I just got a thing telling me what it did.

[empty path]

and the most common is going to be Cast Screws / +6 Inventory Slots

[sharp sentinel]

I'll check again after I play something else for a bit. It's been six hours since I launched the game, heh.

[pallid canopy]

do unpowered pumps prevent backflow?

[empty path]

its actually a good strat to go for an hard drive before unlocking any milestone so u get cast screws early on since thats a big help

[silk ivy]

is 2.4k mw enough to last me the whole game?

[frail sleet]

Yes, but an unpowered pump is basically just a valve that also breaks your headlift - so just use a valve, unless you're intentionally setting headlift to 0m to abuse liquids (which is usually a bad idea).

[empty path]

are u talking 2.4GW ? then no

2 particle generators alone will crash that

heck way earlier just some overclocked miners here and there wont be enough 😂 You'll get better power later on with fuel

[minor vale]

solid steel ingot is another big help.

[empty path]

Yes! the moment i unlock Steel production milestone i go for some harddrives to get that before unlocking anything else

[hard ivy]

No, and it's GW or 1000 MW, not "k mw"

[pallid canopy]

what direction do i put my valves to prevent backflow?

[empty path]

sure it adds extra machines, but u get more steel for your ores not to mention a better output number lol

[minor vale]

Given it's just 1 step of smelters it's basically free.

[empty path]

yes and getting 60 steel for 40 ore instead of 45 for 45 😄

[frail sleet]

pretty sure they have an arrow on them to mark the flow direction. If you get 0 flow then it's on backwards 😛

[empty path]

Cast Screws/ Solid Steel Ingots and also the inventory expansion are really good ones for the really early game

those extra 6 slots are not something to give a side eye in the begining before we have access to depots

[minor vale]

no
you'll need a lot more in due time. But you can handle that in due time.
How much you catually need depends on how big you intend on building.
on my last save I made a coal power plant good for 9.3GW that Stopped being enough around the early aluminum phase.

Which was fine, since that's when you get blenders.. and that's what I wanted for my fuel power setup.

[empty path]

i finished the game with a 45GW setup, was enough but was always almost crashing it with all project assembly parts automated etc

i think that might be almost the bare minimum

[frail sleet]

yeah 100gw is a much better number and 200 isnt wasted

[minor vale]

I don't bother automating project assembly parts.
when I feel its time to advance I just pull items from the item mall and make temporary automatic setups to load the space elevator.

[empty path]

i used to do that, but when achievements came out it felt the best way to knock off the "game" + the golden nut fast

im on a new save now and actually doing the project assembly automation again, i liked doing it, but this time im going for a lets get everything kind of save

so i might nuke the project assembly lines once they are not needed i dunno

[minor vale]

one thing i'm for sure not going to do on my new save, that I did on my last... is bother with a vehicle highway system.

Which was intigrated into the train system.

Really just, ov er complicated everything honestly.

[empty path]

hell no to vehicles lol, can't stand them and never will

i love muh trains, i go crazy with them, drones are also fine, but trucks and tractors don't need to see the sunlight in my save 😂

[minor vale]

Vehicles are awesome and I will defend them hard

I just can't justify building roads like I used to.

Since

that's a lot of work
When the point of vehicles is that you, most of the time don't need to build roads and paths.
A bridge here and there, but no.

[empty path]

well making highways and roads for vehicles are fun for me to drive around not to automate them xD

on my last save i had a main railway which had an underneath vehicle highway, was neat to drive around but thats about it

automating vehicles i hard pass

[minor vale]

I did the exact same thing.
#design-and-architecture message

Just to find out that... the highway element was pointles because I just used the trains.

not for a lack of wanting to use vehicles but because it was just easier to do the trains at that point and why did I buil a highway at all etc.

[lyric gyro]

It depends what do you want to make, most of the high efficiency factories utilise washed ores and sam transformation from one ore to a higher grade

So the amount may vary, aswell as the energy, based on how many alteranative recipes you have unlocked

[snow minnow]

so...
what do power slugs smell like?

[empty path]

was the vehicle section 2 foundation wide? o.o or i am trippin

[lyric gyro]

ozone and maybe grass

[minor vale]

The vehicle section underneath are 2 roads, each 2 foundations wide. For 1 way traffic on each road.

[empty path]

ah ok that makes sense

[lyric gyro]

They could also smell like some of the mobs that guard them

stinky

[next umbra]

I can say without a doubt that turning on AI frame generation did not help my performance lol

[minor vale]

It was very functional, and it did work.
it's just that. after going through all that effort to setup the roads and infrastructure.

It was easier to just start using the already incorporated train rails and ignore using vehicles entirely.

ngl, that system is in part why i'm making a new save
Stoped playing for several months, come back.
ANd aside trying to figure out what I was even doing, I had to deal with that.
And removing it wasn't an option because I built a bout...

checks the save in scim real quick

around 100km of rail/highway snaking around the outside of the map.
...this doesn't feel entirely accurate I won'der of scim includes verticality when using the measure tool.

[onyx fern]

Does anyone else feel really bad about dealing with decimal percentages? Satisfactory Tools is telling me I need to set a smelter to 48.1481%, and that just feels so wrong lol.

Is there a way to force it to use whole numbers?

[empty path]

if you do the math yourself you'll end up with that exact value

[minor vale]

instead of setting the percentage of the clock.
set the desired output of number of items.

like you can change clock speed
or change target production rate, when punching in to over/underclock a machine.

[empty path]

getting those exact numbers ends up more if you are trying to be 100% efficient, else just make more than what u need

[onyx fern]

That doesn't change anything, since the output for this case is 14.444 Iron Ingots

[minor vale]

oh, rip then lmao.

[onyx fern]

Yeah, but then what do I do with the overflow? Is it normal to have a sink at every factory? I thought the goal of the game was to be efficient, I'm just wondering if there's a way to exclusively use whole numbers, or like, even fractions. .5, .25, etc

Then again though, I guess it doesn't really matter what goes on inside the factory, as long as the output is even, which in this case will be 10 stators/min

[minor vale]

I mean, I have a sink at almost every factory.
Excess gives me tickets
Tickets give me happiness.

there's also the option of... ignoring the satisfactory calculator and working from the ground up.

[empty path]

there's gona be things that make it really hard to be 100% efficient...with the required amounts etc. besides, having a sink for a little overflow is not bad, u need and want tickets anyway

[onyx fern]

Fair enough, I guess tickets aren't really a bad thing. I was working from the ground up, but got rather annoyed at constantly trying different ratios to see if something worked as a whole number, so I turned to the calculator.

[minor vale]

Thing with all... or most satisfactory calculators is they're working from a desired output rate primarily.

I on the otherhand prefer to work from the rate of input.
"I have X iron in this area I want to turn into modular frames.
Time to figure out how much I can make with that.
And then if there's excess then this factory will also make some reinforced iron plates and stuff on the side for me."

that sort of deal.

[onyx fern]

I agree, I wish there was a tool for doing just that. I asked that exact same question earlier and did not receive an actual answer, unfortunately

Sometimes it's fine to use a calculator that gives an exact, non-decimal output. It just feels weird to me to have 5 smelters working at 100%, and one at 44.1481%. Maybe it's a me problem, idk.

[minor vale]

No, It's and understandable irk.

That said, there are a handful of alt receipes, that output very weirdly that can be clocked down or up in weird ways to input and output evenly.
Think I was doing that with computers on my last save...
or radiation filters.

[broken thorn]

Doesn't satisfactory modeler allow you to do that?

[primal haven]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production does too

you can set to maximize based on recipes and available resources

satisfactory calculator is the one that cant really do much, and most people are complaining about that one I think

[onyx fern]

How? I tried using the recipes and items tab, I set it to the exact amount of Iron I had available and the recipes I wanted to use, and it just said it couldn't

[primal haven]

it only says it cant if you set it to a specific out put

ill post a screenshot

[broken thorn]

Well although you can select input I don't think you can tell it to make a certain amount of items using the specific input

@reef basin

[onyx fern]

Nope, they're right. I completely missed the 'Maximize' option. That's entirely on me

[primal haven]

oh nice cause I realized I cant post a picture in this chat lol

[onyx fern]

Yeah, annoyingly lol.

[minor vale]

I Just genneraly don't use the third party calc tools so I wouldn't know.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[onyx fern]

This still really doesn't solve the issue of insanely weird decimals, but it's a step in the right direction. Thank you!

[primal haven]

its mostly for min-maxing, its not really necessary

[broken thorn]

I'd be glad if you did, I'm looking forward to learning how to do it using tools

[minor vale]

I min max the crap out of my power setups, but have been trying to lean back on everything else so I don't drive myself crazy over it.

[primal haven]

I sent you a DM so I could send a picture, ask away if you have any questions!

[primal haven]

Ive been using it for my ultra-slow fancy second play through, so I could make decent factories with mark 2 and 3 belts

i also went around gathering drives this time so im actually ahead on recipes

[hard ivy]

Do not use the graph this mode produces. Switch back to items/min mode and paste the output number from maximise

[primal haven]

so I wanted to make use of the recipes i skipped the first time

[lone adder]

were there any updates on the console release for satisfactory lately? Maybe a target date? I'm really excited for potential crossplay

[onyx fern]

That doesn't actually work. At least not with decimal numbers.

[hard ivy]

It does. Just decrease the last decimal by 1

[primal haven]

I tested on my motor factory but they both looked the same, is this just to double check?

[hard ivy]

It won't always be

[primal haven]

thats interesting ill start checking for thatr

[onyx fern]

Eh, so it kind of works. But then all the numbers are wrong and you have to round every output the graph gives you to the closest reasonable number.

[hard ivy]

That's why the graph from maximise is unreliable

[primal haven]

are we just trying to avoid decimal percentages?

[hard ivy]

The output from maximise is rounded if the decimal expansion of the output has more than 3 decimal places

Default mode tries to make exactly what you asked for

[onyx fern]

Maximize tells me with 240 iron, I can make 4.333 motors per minute. It's unable to calculate 4.333 in items/min mode, so I change it to 4.33. It technically gives you the right numbers, but visually nothing changes. Now all the machines have very weird decimal values.

It is possible to just round the numbers down to the closest reasonable value though, so I think that's what we're getting at?

[hard ivy]

So if a .7856 got rounded to .786, it's impossible, because the max is 0.004 less

[broken thorn]

Ah it did work

I have to set a maximum of set resource to use and click on maximize

Thanks

[onyx fern]

I still don't understand what issue this is solving.

[broken thorn]

[hard ivy]

The fact that maximise mode sucks and doesn't optimize for resources it doesn't need to

[ivory condor]

Crossplay could be difficult

[minor vale]

TBH, focus more on the input/output numbers of materials.
specific clock numbers can get a bit wonky but you can keep input/output fairly even.

[lost wagon]

satisfactory calculator or tools is the better one to plan production? Because to produce the same thing and the same amount both sites have completely different planning

[primal haven]

tools is better but it has small issues

modeler might be better

[lost wagon]

there is a third?

[onyx fern]

Alright, gotcha. I'm still skeptical on using it at all, because I don't want to deal with weird, niche decimals. But useful insight nonetheless.

[primal haven]

its a steam app only I believe

[hard ivy]

Modeler is fully manual so it's completely useless to me

[onyx fern]

I didn't like modeler. It's really cool for planning out your factories in depth, but I want to just be able to know how much I can make from X, or how much X I need to make Y.

[onyx fern]

Exactly this.

[hard ivy]

Satisfactory Calculator's Production Planner sucks ass and imo has exactly 0 uses

[primal haven]

good to know, I havent used it recently but I thought they had added some of those features

[hard ivy]

Not to mention it makes mistakes

[frail sleet]

Modeler is not for doing that, by design. It helps a lot with layout and stuff though (a tools plot with 100 overlapping lines is basically unusable for a large project)

[lone adder]

how come? it would be amazing to play with my console only friends

[spice stirrup]

man im thinking that when i had the money for a new game, i should have reaaly though about it. cause i feel like im getting no where slowly, and no idea what i 'should' be doing....

[onyx fern]

I know, that's my problem with it. I don't want to build my factories twice. I'd rather just do it all in Satisfactory, that way I know what actually works.

[lone adder]

i'm thinking of other games ive been playing recently like the finals and they have crossplay

[frail sleet]

That's good, just for very huge stuff i find it easier to build it once at 20x speed and iron out details rather than spending 8 hours building something that i am gonna have to delete because i later realise that it's not where/how it should be.

If you're gonna spend 300 hours building a factory it's invaluable.

[lone adder]

I can help you! what's blocking you?

[wicked estuary]

Guys is there a way to force the game back to kbm?

[pallid canopy]

am i in the clear to stack fluid buffers and then withdrawing fluid from the top one into a system without it backflowing

[onyx fern]

This is an issue I'm struggling with a ton in this game, but really, I've started this new playthrough with the idea of not lettimg myself overthink things. I've still been overthinking a considerbale amount, but I'm having more fun than I usually do.

[spice stirrup]

learning how, where, what to build, how to keep production high or at aleast medium

[wicked estuary]

The ui bugged out and locked me out of controlling the hame a couple times on controller. I have "switch to kbm after disconnecting controller setting", but it doesnt rly work

[primal haven]

I have to say that having enough power shards makes planning factories far easier, especially if you want to do it early

[wicked moss]

Anybody else having trouble starting their server with infinite nudge installed?

[spice stirrup]

my main factory area looks like a 3 yr old put it together with lincoln logs

[wicked moss]

Its compatible but my server just hangs with I start with it

[primal haven]

my first save my start area became some sort of outward growing layered factory and I had no idea what anything was. There was also a section with dozens of containers stacked five high each lol

[lone adder]

In the beginning its good to just focus on getting basic supply lines set up and feel free to have a bit of a mess in the beginning in order to experiment with the different mechanics. i'd say the biggest issue new players run into is that they want to make their factories efficient and good looking from the get go which can lead to game fatigue. Also remember that you should be encouraged to explore the world! maybe you'll find new materials that could help you unlock new equipment

embrace the chaos of the first playthrough

[broken thorn]

SCIM production planner is mid

It is better in almost everything else tho

[lost wagon]

yea, it doesn't "generate" the whole "tree" of machines like Satisfactory Tools does

[broken thorn]

I generally go with tools

[broken thorn]

Yeah I'm too lazy lol

[onyx fern]

Might be the best advice here.

Exploring whenever you get frustrated or tired of building is incredibly fun and keeps the game interesting. Plus, you find stuff you might want along the way.

[spice stirrup]

@dog\

[primal haven]

i used to just use tools to estimate, id round all the decimals up and that was how many machines i needed

[spiral dew]

are hypertube cannons still kinda meta transport

[primal haven]

definitely important to alternate exploring and building

[spice stirrup]

@lone adder im currently stuck and producing phase 3 items for the SE.

[broken thorn]

Ye

[primal haven]

I call mine the yeeter and its usually one of the first blueprints I make

[hard ivy]

It's way worse than mid
I mean it can't even calculate the recycling loop lol

[spiral dew]

yeet9000

[broken thorn]

It's over 9 thousand !

[spice stirrup]

i think the lack of any type of tutorial lends to a harder learning curve for me.

[lone adder]

ohhh i got the impression you were way earlier in game, tbh dont worry about producing space elevator items from the ground up, it's really monotonous and boring. I would recommend writing down on paper or a spreadsheet the current amount of items being produced globally and using that info to see whats holding you back to manufacture space elevator parts

[primal haven]

its helpful to know you never actually lose any progress or have any expected time to finish

my first save finished at almost 300 hours

[broken thorn]

@jovial sapphire #screenshots message man building goal generators is so much fun

[primal haven]

i think the game is more fun if you dont go faster than you can manage though, the game does a great job of slowly giving you more and more complex challenges

[broken thorn]

Just feed the materials directly into a manufacturer using storages to unlock phase 3 ;)

[primal haven]

you can do some fun stuff outside the normal assigned stuff too

I spent quite some time laying a road in a big circle around the map

in phase two, just using the vehicles and a parachute

i think setting a bunch of truck routes is funny too

[maiden jacinth]

the game is really sandboxy

[minor vale]

Speaking of coal
I got 36 coal gens down.
36 more to go.
And my first coal power plant for this save will be done.

[maiden jacinth]

it doesnt need more of a tutorial but its easy to overcomplicate things

simply feed one thing into another at the neccisary rate

shrimple

[primal haven]

I think its easy to overestimate how much you will need of things

[broken thorn]

I've probably watched over 200 hours of SF content in YouTube

[minor vale]

very easy
because you either struggle to have any
or you end up with more than you're gonnna ever use.

[broken thorn]

But honestly it's just trial and error after about 4 saves of 70-100 hours which I stopped at oil and many multiplayer playthroughs in dedicated server I've finally found a style that fits me and allows me to progress with satisfactory efficiency and looks

[grizzled flax]

when do i unlock floor pipes?

[primal haven]

yeah concrete and plates are sparse at first, so then im thinking I need 60 motors/min or something

[maiden jacinth]

im about to start working on a big factory
and a lot of it is gonna be figuring out how to get resources to places

[broken thorn]

You need tickets

[minor vale]

those are in the awesome shop

[grizzled flax]

how do i get tickets

[maiden jacinth]

awesome sink

[minor vale]

by dumping crap into the awesome sink.

[maiden jacinth]

sink a quartz node

[primal haven]

if you go around the map, you can find high level items by crash sites

if you sink them you get a ton of tickets in early game

[maiden jacinth]

thats so ineffecient though

[broken thorn]

Calling superposition oscillators crap is wild ( jk )

[maiden jacinth]

sinking biofuel or quartz its the easy way to get tickets early game

[minor vale]

you could also research the alien remains in the mam to process it into alien DNA for tickets.

[primal haven]

I mean before biofuel

[broken thorn]

Sinking a limited ( arguably ) resource is wild

[primal haven]

although you would have quartz very early

[maiden jacinth]

theres so much biofuel man

and it gives way more points then you would think]

[broken thorn]

That's why I said arguably

[broken thorn]

Never tested it tbh

I usually sink packaged fuel at early game when I set up basic oil production

[primal haven]

you really only need enough tickets for ladders though early on

[broken thorn]

It gives me a lot of points

[maiden jacinth]

raw quartz gives 15 which is why its a really good thing to sink early game

[minor vale]

false
you need enough tickets for concrete only foundations.

[maiden jacinth]

esp cuz you dont really need it until later

biofuel gives 48

[broken thorn]

Ye but you can only get 270/480 out of one node considering it's pure

[primal haven]

thats true too but its not required its just different

ladders are required for exploring

unless you want to throw crazy ramps everywhere

[broken thorn]

5k points /min is mid

[maiden jacinth]

it is mid
its an early game strat

[broken thorn]

Idk about early game tho I forgot how much points I needed in early game

[maiden jacinth]

im talking about mk1-mk3 belt level of stuff

[broken thorn]

I need about a dozen million points per ticket now so

[maiden jacinth]

quartz node requires you to do near 0 work to passively build tickets

[shut stream]

I was doing 10k at tier 2

[maiden jacinth]

it lets you grab basically whatever you want early game
before you need to start trying to build for tickets

[primal haven]

i started sinking the elevator parts instead

24/24/10 in phase 2

[maiden jacinth]

while again
doing 0 work
since youre just sinking the node directly

[maiden jacinth]

phase 2/3 I was sinking packed water with the steel canister alt

[primal haven]

well I hadnt thought of it till you said it

[maiden jacinth]

honestly kinda goated

[primal haven]

are you saying to sink just the quartz or to process it and sink it?

[maiden jacinth]

just the quartz

stick a miner feeding into the sink
and forget about it

[broken thorn]

I haven't automated any elevator parts till now 😭

[maiden jacinth]

when you get to the point where you need quartz
go back and stop

[primal haven]

i could have done this the whole time, although I had unlocked smart splitters right before building the elevator part factories

[maiden jacinth]

ezpz early tickets

[minor vale]

processing gives you more points but if you just want to do the bare minimum, dink raw quartz

[maiden jacinth]

by the time you need quartz
youll have a good amount of tickets

[broken thorn]

I rushed my save so much just to set up power production

I think I went from tier 6 to unlocking phase 3 and all it's tiers in under 10 hours

Even automating aluminium

[lyric gyro]

Im trying not to rush the game, like last time, automated part #1 and some 2-3 lvl materials

[minor vale]

17.5 hours in i'm 50% of the way done with my first coal power plant that should last me to diluted fuel.

[lyric gyro]

Still speedrunning

[maiden jacinth]

rn im working on making a turbofuel factory

trying to find hard drives
then im gonna tear down all my stuff

and move to the rocky desert

[primal haven]

im definitely never tearing anything down again

[minor vale]

why not leave all your old stuff running so you don't have to rebuild the basics at the new place.

[lyric gyro]

Im too lazy to automate everything when you can just get a ton of basic components and just fill them into the crafter with smoersloops

[primal haven]

I tore a ton of stuff down my first save and regretted it

[maiden jacinth]

phase 4 is when you really have to build something

[primal haven]

sunk it all for like 300 tickets in phase 4

[lyric gyro]

As a perfectionist i cant stand my factory not running to full power

[maiden jacinth]

I manually fed stuff till now

[primal haven]

now I just wont build anything I dont expect to keep forever, I just wont upgrade them most likely

[maiden jacinth]

I mean ill probably leave it there until I have everything running in the new place

[minor vale]

After playing the game for a good many years now i've quickly learned to kill my inner perfectionist.

..for the most part.

but kill my inner perfectionist, except for when I do power setups.

[maiden jacinth]

but really its just because I wanna make a megafactory

[lyric gyro]

Its where i am, but even at that point it was still 75% manual feed

[minor vale]

the lights must stay on.

[lyric gyro]

I love power

[primal haven]

id set it up as your cloud storage base and then concrete the whole thing in 4m blocks and decorate the outside somewhat nice and put some billboards on it

[maiden jacinth]

its such a mess and builds so little stuff ehe

[lyric gyro]

I love making a huge factory harvesting 500% of resources available in the place and converting everything into energy

[maiden jacinth]

anyone here do megafactories?

[lyric gyro]

Just to use a tenth of it

[lyric gyro]

does 8 furnaces count

[minor vale]

I don't mind building big but I spread production out.

[lyric gyro]

Im way too lazy for a huge project

[primal haven]

ive done a few huge projects but sorta didnt finish them

a giant circular multi floor rocket fuel power plant

looks like a pinecone from afar

[lyric gyro]

circular

I could never, how do you even manage space like that

[primal haven]

yeah all the furnaces faced the center

I basically made a small circle, and then made each square longer until the fuel gens fit next to each other

and then I went back another roaw

row*

[minor vale]

like, I absolutely do not put all production in an area into a single spot/building.

buuuut...
For example, on my old save.
I am producing a few thousand aluminum sheets per minute.
...I think
at least a thousand. I haven't checked in a while.

[primal haven]

how do i post pictures here lol

[minor vale]

#screenshots

[lyric gyro]

so its basically a * and not a circle

[primal haven]

technically anything in satisfactory has edges

[lyric gyro]

youre just extending sides of a star or smth

[primal haven]

but yeah its like a huge 36 sided figure

[lyric gyro]

technically nothing is truly round

[fading flume]

where you respawn if your hub is not placed ?

[primal haven]

I think it was 36 gens around the first row, double the second row, and then 3 floors

[lyric gyro]

at the 4 of spawning locations you chose at the start

[primal haven]

ill post a screenshot in a second

[prisma forge]

#screenshots message

No more 🕸️

[broken thorn]

Well, I rushed but not really. I didn't automate all phase 2 items but when I sent phase 3 I was already 120 hours in

[lyric gyro]

120

thats not too bad

Im at phase four with 60

[broken thorn]

You have sent phase 4 ?

[lyric gyro]

In the past kinda

Now im just right at it

[fading flume]

thanks

[broken thorn]

Do you have mk6 belt tier ?

[lyric gyro]

level 8 hub

[snow ivy]

did the building animation get slower in 1.1?

[lyric gyro]

only mk5

[broken thorn]

So you're at phase 3

Phase 3 unlocks tier 7-8, phase 4 unlocks tier 9 and phase 5 finishes the game

[lyric gyro]

took me 200 hours to get to phase 4

mean complete it

But i was resetting once or twice so

idk the time

[broken thorn]

Uh Id say that's still rushed but we probably have different paces

[lyric gyro]

Absolutely

[broken thorn]

I'm 200 hours in my save and pretty much all I have is a steel facility that uses 2k iron and steel, a world wide train track, and a 300GW power plant lol

[lyric gyro]

Im trying to slow down and play satisfactory and not satishandfedmachines

[broken thorn]

I do have all possible recipes unlocked tho

[lyric gyro]

Thats art

exactly the point of the game is to be creative

World wide track is something i would never

Not now anyway

[broken thorn]

I do have some other temp factories like motor and aluminium which I'll delete later tho

[lyric gyro]

Who doesnt

[broken thorn]

It took me so long I've around 50km of railway placed down 😭

I'll probably grab all bauxite in bamboo forest with trains too

[lyric gyro]

how can you tell the distance

[broken thorn]

I upload my save to SCIM

[lyric gyro]

Dang

This piece of

[primal haven]

I posted a picture, its not finished decorating but its functional

[broken thorn]

I have 27K foundations placed and 35K+ pillars

[lyric gyro]

amazing website is unnatainable for me

[broken thorn]

Why?

[lyric gyro]

doesnt work for some reason

Need vpn ig

[broken thorn]

Ah

[lyric gyro]

didnt test

[broken thorn]

They have a discord if you need help

I just don't know it right now

[rough bolt]

The OGs remember Beacon rods

[lyric gyro]

Looks nice, kinda like a snowflake

[primal haven]

yeah it was fun but i really underestimated how many fuel gens i needed at first

so I almost gave up trying to figure out how to fit them all

[lyric gyro]

theres a good website called satisfactory tools

[lost wagon]

yea using tools to get an average and using modeler to fine tune the production line seems to be the better option
now I have to sleep to go to work tomorrow, then come back and work in the game too

[lyric gyro]

it has a list of every recipe and allows you to customise them

like different ways to achieve 10 parts per second via alternative recipes

also has a total of all resources

[ivory mulch]

how do you unlock rubber?

[maiden jacinth]

advance the elevator

rubber comes with oil

[ivory mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

Im just gonna hope the dogs come in clutch like always....

[lyric gyro]

250 hours in , never knew dogs can be pets and bring you items

[primal haven]

I posted a pic in screenshots of what I replaced my starter base with in my first save

I still regret destroying the initial spaghetti monster but it ended up well enough

I had used tools to figure out something like 60/min of anything I would build with to go into cloud

[primal haven]

I keep losing all the ones I make into pets somehow

[ivory mulch]

mine has brought me 2 nukes <3

love the dogs

[cyan belfry]

Good boy

[mighty zinc]

Did Somone say OOOOOOIIIIILLLLL?!

https://tenor.com/view/m60t-turkish-tank-syria-desert-gif-23298789

[ivory mulch]

the best boy

[maiden jacinth]

they can bring you slugs

[mighty zinc]

Aw man, gifs don't work 😦

[lucid pagoda]

how do yall push through big projects? i need to make a massive 38,000 MW fuel gen setup using a few complicated alts and its gonna be such a long process

[mighty zinc]

are you near coal and water?

[maiden jacinth]

why do you need so much power

and what complicated alts

[lucid pagoda]

im need roughly 8000MW for my plastic and rubber factory

[lyric gyro]

never needed more than 300 until phase 4

[raven plank]

just keep building, just keep building 🎵

[cyan belfry]

Break it up into little projects

[ivory mulch]

is Tier 4 FICSIT Blueprints worth it?

[lyric gyro]

yes

The hell you mean worth it

research EVERYTHING

[wicked estuary]

Guys what do you usually do with oil residue? I got a full mk2 pipe of it now and I'm thinking wether I should loop it back into plastic/rubber, or maybe use it for something else. Maybe turn it into petroleum coke and scrap it until it becomes useful?

Or maybe turn it into fuel so that refinery sustains itself energy wise?

[ivory mulch]

im broke just wondering if it worth the time ;-; but i shall do it

[lyric gyro]

plastic/rubber + programmable splitter leading to recycle/refinery

[rich kestrel]

@lyric gyro @cyan belfry hi all!! finally got my 10oz ficsit mug delivered yesterday

[lyric gyro]

Thats nice

[lyric gyro]

There's no such word as broke, there's only inefficient, get back to work pioneer

[white dawn]

As Felix mentioned, it can help to break it up into small components. Instead of building it all at once, take a look at the various components you need -- like you'll need x/min of one resource, y/min of another... Make a small factory that just does that x/min, then make another factory that does the y/min, etc.

[wicked estuary]

There are no programmable pipes, right?

[cyan belfry]

cool

[sharp sentinel]

Stitched Iron Plate is the best one, right?

[white dawn]

Other than that, it's generally a matter of just kind of relying on the sort of obsession with the game's feedback loops that often keeps us going. :D Those dopamine hits are real!

[ivory mulch]

im very efficient with my dogs, im winning. Thank you for your support pioneer. (invest in puppies)

[white dawn]

If the game doesn't really jive with you like that, then you could maybe decide to scale down the plans until it feels left overwhelming, etc.

[lyric gyro]

there's some shenanigans you can make with them like syphons

[lyric gyro]

Good job, you're running out of your microbreak pioner, now go pet more puppies

[ivory mulch]

get more puppies > production

[lyric gyro]

No

getting more production WHILE getting more puppies

Were being efficient here or what smh

[maiden jacinth]

turn it into fuel

unless you already have better energy ig

[oak night]

hey uh why does my recently painted train now have a red outline i can see through the map

[dense violet]

the game is critiquing your fashion choices

[maiden jacinth]

whats yalls favorite foundation

[cursive crane]

Currently working on my 12k iron/m refinery setup.

Today I logged in, wired up 1/4th of the refineries and MADE the input blueprint for the pipes and conveyors. All in total took me a little less than 2 hours.
Breaking it up and not getting overwhelmed is the key

Definetely make use of the notes panel on the right side of the screen, can leave notes for yourself, "this first" reminders for next time you login, or pin crafting ingrediants needed for downtime. Its key.

I also like to break up larger products into portions. Ei, if you need 60 refiners, hook up the inputs for 20 today, outputs tomorrow, next 20 the next 2 days. Keeps the monotony away

[dense violet]

they have different uses for differetn situations

regular concrete is a solid 'neutral' though

[minor vale]

concrete

[lucid pagoda]

i finally finished one of many projects, i got the concrete path around the map for my future train networks

[maiden jacinth]

true regular concrete is the most neutral

its what I default to
but I havent dont any real big projects yet

[minor vale]

it also has the benefit of being cheap.
Costing only concrete to build it.
Covering areas in foundations is incredibly easy.

[wicked estuary]

I have a whole fuel plant already, but tbh it's not a bad idea

[minor vale]

scan harddrives until you get diluted fuel so you can turn it into the best fuel recipe.

[wicked estuary]

Not there yet, I handcrafted a lot of progression up until trains, so I'm only really starting to build factories

[minor vale]

Packaged diluted fuel then.

[wicked estuary]

I guess I'll dump it into fuel for now and burn it all in generators, then come back later if I find better use for it

[rich kestrel]

lol today i realized you can make screws without iron bars

i'm an idiot i guess

[stuck dagger]

It's an alt, not a default recipe

You probably found it in a hard drive without noticing

[solemn glacier]

#screenshots message
it would be cool if you could connect those to a throughput moniter

for realtime data

[minor vale]

I shouldn't have to worry about power for the next 20 hours now.

Time to rebuild my base.
#screenshots message

[cyan belfry]

Is this like every coal node?

[burnt ferry]

can i enforce the doggo t find powerslugs by leaving one slug in his inventory?

[minor vale]

every coal node in that particular valley on a MK2 miner, over clocked to the limit of Mk3 belts.

[zenith pecan]

Power station projects are infamous for getting away from people and becoming enormous.

[minor vale]

in my last save I made an even bigger coal plant using compact coal.
that one produced 9.3gw of power.

but that was also in the desert, I don't feel like trying to find that much sulphur in the plains here.

[zenith pecan]

Ow damn, my old legacy coal only did 7,3 🤣

My current power station puts out enough power to run multiple worlds and melt a pc.

[solemn glacier]

go pollution on massage!

[cyan belfry]

Y'all are making my current setup look tiny

Like 12 coal generators

[minor vale]

I just don't like running out of power.

[zenith pecan]

I didn't send any pics of the power station though 🤣

[minor vale]

That's 72 gens there though. if you're curious about the exact number.

[burnt ferry]

why going for coal then? fuel has a much higher power outcome

[cyan belfry]

I'm early enough that I haven't even used like half my power

[burnt ferry]

coal is a decent backup energy source

[minor vale]

because I'm phase 2.

[burnt ferry]

i had 2 coal generators then

and a bunch of bio fuel burners

[minor vale]

and i'm not bothering with fuel gens until I get diluted fuel and blenders.

[solemn glacier]

im at that point where im scared the power is gonna trip

[cyan belfry]

I'm gonna redo my entire productiom line cuz I just got around to unlocking trucks

[solemn glacier]

im producing 2.25g but the max is 3.18

[burnt ferry]

ah so your artificially postponing that moment by giving yourself a hard time, to have a higher challenge.. gotcha

[zenith pecan]

Tbh, I still need to retire my old coal plant, the power stations support tower can run the show on its own for a few days in the unlikely event I get a catastrophic failure in the three generator towers.

[minor vale]

i'm postponing making fuel power so that I can have an easier, larger setup when I do get there.

[solemn glacier]

makes sense

[burnt ferry]

ye of course.. just that it takes youlonger to get there because you are only using lesser power soruces until then

its like, handcrafting all mats for the phases and milestones because youhavent unlocked particel accelerators yet

[minor vale]

Like, why bother setting up a fuel power setup, if i'm going to rip it appart once I get blenders and diluted fuel and do what I actually want

Power production is one place whereI allow myself to be a bit perfectionist with it.

otherwise I would accept "good enough" setups in the meantime.

[burnt ferry]

doenst matter if you replace a intermediate fuel setup or a coal setup witha diluted fuel setup.. only ting that it matters for is how fast you can get the diluted fuel thing.. i mean there isnt really a reaosn to wait for that.. just scout them harddrives and dont pick recipies until the ones you want roll

[minor vale]

The point in waiting is having fun building things in the meantime. by building power production optimized enough that I won't have a desire to tear it down later, and so that it produces enough power on it's own to let me go do things and never really have to bother with it again.

At least till i'm at the next type of power production.

[zenith pecan]

This place uses rocket fuel #screenshots message 😄

[solemn glacier]

you just gotta be careful not to fall in the trap of always waiting for the next step in whatever you are producing

[minor vale]

well that's why I do this pretty much just with power setups.

There's so much resource on the map that I can just tap new nodes to make hte next thing.

but power?
Lights gotta stay on. So I make sure to do it right.

[zenith pecan]

My lights are unpowered, emissive billboards embedded into glass foundations & frame floors.

[frail sleet]

🙈

[zenith pecan]

Here's a brief demo of all of my light prints, floor/ceiling and both: #design-and-architecture message

[solemn glacier]

hacking into the matrix for free light

[zenith pecan]

They make a bit more sense too, the electric lights are 10x10 and are a pain to position properly, mine are 8x8 and snap flush into floors & ceilings 🤷‍♂️

[solemn glacier]

yeah

i just use my flashlight or whatever is easiest

so the default lights

[zenith pecan]

Generating the power I do and not lighting the place just wouldn't feel right.

[ivory mulch]

is there a greenhouse system? I keep running out of food cuz my boyfriend wont stop eating >:(

[zenith pecan]

No, but berries/nuts do grow back provided you don't destroy the plant.

[solemn glacier]

you can ask for it here
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/5f3d992a6f3c82fe950bc04c

[jovial seal]

does the host always have to be on a save for other people to be able to join or can there be a shared server of sorts that anyone can join at any time

[leaden ether]

Well the server itself has a save and everyone connects to it. It can run 24/7 if anyone is connected or not or it can be set to pause if no one is connected. Or if someone is running it at home rather than having it hosted then most people start and stop it when they get on/off their computer I would guess.

[solemn glacier]

nerd alert (talking about me)
you could also run the server on a podman or a docker if you already have a server, so it would minimize resource use while being available (if you set it to pause when no one is there)

so you could still use the server for other stuff

[zenith pecan]

I tried a dedicated on my old epyx 7551p, it was a disaster 😄

[solemn glacier]

how old is that?

[zenith pecan]

2017, entry level though.

[solemn glacier]

k

[zenith pecan]

Works great as a media server, not so much for a satis server.

[solemn glacier]

i host a reg old multi for me and my bro to play, and i get maybe 30fps, with a 2012 cpu and a 2014 gpu

[maiden jacinth]

bruh ive been scanning hds for so long and still havent gotten diluted fuel

[solemn glacier]

thas sad

[solemn glacier]

the cpu is enterprise level tho

[maiden jacinth]

im literally just waiting for this recepie so I can build my big fuel plant

[solemn glacier]

how long have you been looking?

[zenith pecan]

Can see this place pretty much from everywhere #screenshots message 🤣 , almost finished with it, bridges need supports, the landings where the water extractors are need light and production floors need finishing touches with floor decals.

When people say build upwards where you can, that place can be a hell of an example 😄

[solemn glacier]

holy shi

thats big

[zenith pecan]

It produces 1.1Tw of power.

[solemn glacier]

should last you a while

maybe

[rich kestrel]

should i get +6 inventory slots or should i go for cast screws (iron ingots straight to screws)?

[zenith pecan]

I hope so heh, each tower has 4 distinct production floors, water > HOR > Dilute fuel > rocket fuel, and 16 generator floors on top.

[rich kestrel]

@zenith pecan

[solemn glacier]

the slots

actually nvm, go for the screws

gonna save you a lot of time

[zenith pecan]

In the past I'd have gone for inventory, but depots changed that, imo take the screws.

[rich kestrel]

i feel like cast screws will help me in the long run

[solemn glacier]

most complicated thing ive built was oil>fuel>power with the byproduct for the fuel making rubber and plastic

[solemn glacier]

yeah

[zenith pecan]

Byproducts from that power station result in, 240 rubber, 240 plastic & 4800 steel.

[solemn glacier]

do you sink it or use it

[zenith pecan]

The rubber & plastic feed in to stores, depot then sink via overflow, all the steel is sent to the dunes.

[solemn glacier]

what do you do with it at the dunes

[zenith pecan]

Rotors, stators, pipes, beams frames, whatever I can.

[solemn glacier]

ok

i wouldnt have known cuz im a relatively new player (only ~300h

[zenith pecan]

I'm currently scouting for an out of the way location for a couple of concrete towers, I keep running out of concrete!

[zenith pecan]

Enjoy the exploration imo, this game is fantastic the first time around.

[solemn glacier]

yeah

ive had it for a couple of years but just never found the time

[zenith pecan]

Repeated playthroughs is often, can I build that, what happens when I do this, and why is my pc choking and where is the fire extinguisher, as you build, learn, rebuild and watch as the whole system implodes due to a megafactory.

[solemn glacier]

ive encoutered the 1st and 4th a lot tho

[lyric gyro]

or one particle accelerator

[zenith pecan]

Don't mind the loops, they're cool, just misunderstood!

[solemn glacier]

kinda like a roller coaster

[lyric gyro]

And also half of my entire power grid

[zenith pecan]

Depends how big the power grid is, particle accelerator hardly touches mine and it's clocked.

[lyric gyro]

Not that big apparently

So like

[solemn glacier]

i especially know about the fire extingusher part, im running proccesor and gpu consistently at 70c, only for about 30fps 😢

[lyric gyro]

1200 oil into rocket fuel

[zenith pecan]

That reminds me, I need to revisit my loops, the place has no roof!

[zenith pecan]

30? ouch, what are you running 😦

[solemn glacier]

2012 intel e5 1620 and a gtx 980 on a 2k monitor

with a knidle as a second display for discord

[zenith pecan]

To be fair for such an old setup it's performing alright.

[solemn glacier]

yeah

funny thing is, im getting better fps on high settings than on medium

[solemn glacier]

ssd at 30c as well

at least i wont be cold in the winter

[zenith pecan]

I wouldn't dare load my old save on it though.

[cyan belfry]

Is there a good guide on what to automate depending on how far you have progressed in the game?

[solemn glacier]

this save only has ~110h on it so im fine for now

[zenith pecan]

Needs 50gb of ram to load it and choked out my brothers clocked 7950x.

[solemn glacier]

automate everything after you get foundations, but automate as little as possible before

[solemn glacier]

how many hrs?

[zenith pecan]

For that save, at the time about 2740h.

[cosmic sand]

omg i cant stop pinging help what did i press

[zenith pecan]

I'm approaching 800h on my current save.

[solemn glacier]

i can see why it takes so much

where do you find the time

[zenith pecan]

I played that save from update 3 early access up until 1.0 release, running experiments, breaking the rules and the game etc.

[solemn glacier]

left alt probably

[zenith pecan]

Was a fantastic distraction from my role as a support worker.

[solemn glacier]

yeah

[cyan belfry]

I kinda mean what should I prioritize.

[solemn glacier]

satisfactory dsistracted me from an acl tear

[solemn glacier]

power, plates, and rods

[cyan belfry]

But yeah ig everything, but I don't know how much of everything to make

[solemn glacier]

i try and do 1x of whatever the constructer is

[zenith pecan]

Yay, got myself turned around in my own tunnel network, I'm back at the power station! , I'm supposed to be in the swamp.

[cyan garnet]

Look at your milestones in the hub. The game tells you what to automate 😬

[solemn glacier]

i would recomend starting early, i always start automating too late then i have problems

[cyan garnet]

Your alt key is probably stuck. Try alt tabbing out of and back into the game

[cyan belfry]

Press the alt key to reset it

[solemn glacier]

if that dosent work, unplug then plug back in your keyboard/controller

[dense violet]

automate everything

get a new item unlocked? automate it

[cyan garnet]

One or two of the final machine (assembler, manufacturer, etc) of the recipe chain is a fine target in absence of a more specific need

[rich kestrel]

@solemn glacier thanks for the recommendation, production has increased like 25-50% with the alternate crafting recipe for the screws which i really needed

[solemn glacier]

no biggie

[cosmic sand]

thats it thanks it went away lol

[dense violet]

if you don't have a use for it yet - don't make it yet. Just make some at least

[solemn glacier]

eventually you can sink excess

[dense violet]

let it fill containers and you can use that to make more of the next item

[cyan belfry]

Yea you probably alt tabbed out and it thought you were still pressing down the key

[zenith pecan]

Erk!, I made a bad calculation booboo at the coking plant, half the refineries are kinda, off!

[maiden jacinth]

I have 19 unseleced hard drives sitting in the mam

[solemn glacier]

at least you can copy paste the righ numbers in when you get the numbers right

[cyan garnet]

If you haven’t already, research smart splitters in the MAM, caterium tree. You can set them up to sink overflow from every production line you set up and keep factories running 100% and passively earn coupons

[solemn glacier]

did you already do the ten minute wait

[rich kestrel]

also i have like 2 power slugs to increase production on making every conveyor belt MK2s

[maiden jacinth]

wym by 10 minute wait

[solemn glacier]

when you put it in it analyzes for 10m

[rich kestrel]

i've just been making reinforced iron plates by the dozen

[maiden jacinth]

yea I meant 19 scanned hds

[solemn glacier]

i forgot if it was imeadiatly or when you select it

[rich kestrel]

immediately after you start scanning

[solemn glacier]

thats a lot

[cyan garnet]

FYI when you are out exploring for HDDs, you can plop down a MAM, start the drive scan, and then deconstruct it and the scan will keep running in the background

[solemn glacier]

did you dismantle the crash sites?

[maiden jacinth]

ikr
theres a couple recepies I want that I havent selected yet

just because im digging for diluted fuel

[solemn glacier]

thx

[solemn glacier]

when can you get that?

[maiden jacinth]

when you unlock blenders

its a more effecient fuel recepie that uses water

[solemn glacier]

k

[maiden jacinth]

im trying to get it and then start a massive fuel plant project

[solemn glacier]

ok

i need to make another powerstation soon
could you give me some tips pls

[maiden jacinth]

what phase are you in

[solemn glacier]

end of 2

i can probably scrape by till 3 tho

without the power statiion

[maiden jacinth]

which tiers are phase 2 again

[cyan garnet]

Just build more coal power. How much do you have right now?

Phase 2 is tiers 3/4 - coal power

[maiden jacinth]

you have coal right
just build like 8 or 16 coal plants

[solemn glacier]

ok

[maiden jacinth]

120 coal feeds 8 coal generators

[cyan garnet]

What biome are you in?

[solemn glacier]

in total i have 2.25gw of power, some from fuel some from coal

[maiden jacinth]

and 3 water extracters cools them

[solemn glacier]

rocky desert

[cyan garnet]

If you have fuel then you are in phase 3

[solemn glacier]

oh

[maiden jacinth]

fuel or biofuel

[solemn glacier]

i got it a little mixed up

[solemn glacier]

normal;

[cyan garnet]

Fuel as in from oil?

[solemn glacier]

yes

[maiden jacinth]

ah cool

[solemn glacier]

im running of one pure node

[maiden jacinth]

I have 5000mw of power

[solemn glacier]

i have another 5 nodes easy access tho

[cyan garnet]

Diluted packaged fuel and HOR is the recipe combo that gets you the most power yield from oil in that phase

[solemn glacier]

ok

thx

[cyan garnet]

You can prioritize fuel production even with your base recipes and use the byproducts to make extra plastic and/or rubber

[maiden jacinth]

hor?

[cyan garnet]

Heavy oil residue

HOR+diluted gets you 10GW per 300 oil

[maiden jacinth]

oh yea
I got that recepie

[solemn glacier]

k

[maiden jacinth]

rn I have 5 overclocked fuel plants set up with the diluted packaged fuel thing

but like
Thats not much energy tbh

[solemn glacier]

i got 3 w/normal

[cyan garnet]

Have you unlocked Overclocking in the MAM?

[solemn glacier]

yeah

[cyan garnet]

Because you could extract more oil from the node you’ve already tapped and build more power now, save the other nodes for later when you have alt recipes

[solemn glacier]

sounds good

just found for drives in storage :)

[cyan garnet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=OSt8oBiyyvpHnueIsyGW

Here’s just the base fuel recipe, 200 fuel from 300 oil which is enough for 10 fuel gens, 2.5GW

The resin byproduct can be turned into plastic, rubber, or fabric if you have access to water

[solemn glacier]

all my nodes are on the coast

[cyan garnet]

Yeah I figured

[solemn glacier]

thx

[cyan garnet]

Fabric is an alt recipe unlocked in the MAM, mycelia tree. Use it to automate gas mask filters and later iodine filters for radiation

[solemn glacier]

il need it for nucleaar

[cyan garnet]

Yep

[solemn glacier]

im playing with my bro so ill just make him do that

free labor

[cyan garnet]

If you scan those drives and happen to get heavy oil residue and diluted packaged fuel, you can extend that same oil to 4x as much power

lol, good plan

[solemn glacier]

yes

[cyan garnet]

You’ll need the packaging milestone unlocked to be able to get DPF alt recipe, however

[solemn glacier]

im packaging fuel for my jetpack

[cyan garnet]

Pro tip: use packaged liquid biofuel

[zenith pecan]

When I get back to it, I need to build a small overflow to sink at my tiny baux refinery 😱 , the backups keep choking the swamp facility 🤦‍♂️ , I'll do that when I'm more awake, back to bed for me.

[cyan garnet]

It’s hands down the best jetpack fuel until phase 5

[zenith pecan]

That said I now have 10,000 time crystals in stores 🤣

[cyan garnet]

Settle down doc brown

[solemn glacier]

i just make do with normal fuel
thx tho

[dense violet]

for your scrap? yeah good idea

[maiden jacinth]

if this hard drive doesnt have diluted fuel

[zenith pecan]

Good use of the overproduction of coke.

[cyan garnet]

No, seriously. Liquid biofuel is significantly better

[maiden jacinth]

im just going to do diluted packaged fuel and make a big plant

[solemn glacier]

how do you get it

[maiden jacinth]

I just ran the numbers and theyre both basically the same

[dense violet]

look at your codex. It's great for jet pcks

[cyan garnet]

Open your codex and search the recipe

[zenith pecan]

For the coke, the tiny refinery is the only place that won't use all its intake, but the overflowing coke keeps snookering back down the line and choking the coke plant in the swamp.

[cyan garnet]

Press O for cOdex

[dense violet]

ah

[solemn glacier]

dosnt tell me the stats

[cyan garnet]

DPF and DF have the same yield yeah. Different building and power requirements but functionally the same

[maiden jacinth]

same power consumption too

[cyan garnet]

Stats meaning jetpack stats?

[solemn glacier]

ya

[cyan garnet]

Liquid biofuel has a burn time of 12.5 seconds, compared to 5s for yellow fuel

[solemn glacier]

thats double for stuff i usually sink

thats great

[dense violet]

look up the jet pack wiki page

[crisp coral]

anyone trynna run a multiplayer?

[cyan garnet]

Yes, there’s a reason I was insistent 😊

[dense violet]

lots of people I'm sure

[cyan garnet]

#1201555265942724758

[solemn glacier]

#1201555265942724758

[sour ledge]

So. One of the thing that always bugs me about trains is having to perfectly space the station vs the cars on the train to load - like if i want Copper/Iron/Plastic on one train, it needs a station to load copper at spot 1, iron at spot 2, plastic at spot 3.

I've been thinking though, I could just.... make every station only one freight long and instead use three trains for that hypothetical scenario. I'd have to make a ridiculous number of stations but it might actually be less annoying than perfectly spacing the stations with empty freight spots?

[dense violet]

that' seems like 10x as much work as just knowing which platform delivers what

[cyan garnet]

Yes. More stations with less platforms per station gives you a lot more flexibility

But takes up a lot more room

[solemn glacier]

if the materials come from diff locations you could aslo have them go to the smae station with diff trains and use a smart splitter to seperate the materials

[dense violet]

oh wait it's different trains dropping off the material?
geez yeah that causes other issues too

[lyric gyro]

guys how can increase the range/remove the texture downgrade at longer distances

[cyan garnet]

I usually combine stuff like rubber and plastic or quartz and silica into dedicated trains w multiple cars

[sour ledge]

oh hey thats a thought

so like, a Steel Pipe train that has four or five cars and is The Answer for absolutely any factory that needs steel pipes

then i only have to set the receiving station

[solemn glacier]

then manifold it with trains...

[cyan garnet]

There’s a lot of different ways to do it

[dense violet]

generally trying to centralise any part at one spot for multiple deliveries is much more effort than making it on site. Unless you want to do tons of logistics I'd probably avoid that

[sour ledge]

hrm. i'll think on it some more. honestly with big enough blueprinters the extra space for lots of stations and such isn't such an issue, since you can connect rail with blueprints now...

[solemn glacier]

yeah

[cyan garnet]

I tend to use trains to move things like ingots, some ores like coal, or other raw materials. Aside from that it’s centralized production for things that make sense to centralize like plastic, rubber, and aluminum

[solemn glacier]

dont be alarmed if the tracks after autoconnect look longer than they should be

[sour ledge]

lol, glitch? i haven't actually gotten far enough to blueprint in my 1.1 save

[solemn glacier]

happens every time for me

[cyan garnet]

But I try to build as close to as many of the resources as possible. At a certain point it becomes impractical for very large builds

[solemn glacier]

yes

[solemn glacier]

im on older hardware tho so its prob that

[boreal musk]

my next big project is 45/min hmf and it needs 8k/min iron

[solemn glacier]

my next thing is 2/m hmf and mf and a fuel plant

[boreal musk]

i wonder what name should i choose for this factory that will induce the pain within

[solemn glacier]

call it sisyphus