satisfactory

[hard ivy]

why do we get 2 choices and the ability to rescan if the recipe is data contained on the drive?

and if it's not on the drive, why do we get it from scanning a drive?

[sullen gull]

Ahh, you're talking lore mechanics lol. Maybe, because the act of 'extracting' the data is tedious and sensitive. While scanning is a nod destructive function?

Like, it IS there, but because of the damage from the wreck and sensitivity of extraction, you can only pull one

[mortal ginkgo]

its like data corruption. taking something out of it corrupts the other one.

its other title is "give 2 options to an already heavy RNG focus so people would get hurt less"

I am still extremely happy with my "Cast Screws" lol. It is so good early game lols

[sullen gull]

And, keeping them in the list, tells the system "Well, we already know what this hash is, so we can skip it and figure out the other data in the 'pool'"

[hard ivy]

cast screw is the third worst alt recipe in the entire game imo lol

[mortal ginkgo]

I couldn't care less considering it lets me get rid of the Rod part.

[simple echo]

Bruh

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont even have oil yet, I am happy with my cast screws

Yes, Screws can be ridden completely by using other recipes, but I will just go ahead and CHUNGUS disagree with that comment.

[sullen gull]

But why? if you're doing a build and just need a low amount, and only want to use a single iron node and eleminate a process, it's fine. Other wise you either need steel or remove screws if you can/want

[mortal ginkgo]

I am happy early game, thats what matters.

[hard ivy]

I did the math, and during my 1.0 playthrough, it would've saved me a total of 6 constructors in a factory that existed for only a few hours

[mortal ginkgo]

My gameplay hour is 110 hours and going up. I still dont have oil because I like decorating way too much.

[sullen gull]

Then I assume you either found the alt to remove or started making steel? 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

I feel this in my soul 🤣

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, just because you became fast in a sandbox game that never changes, doesn't make it the "one of the worst recipes".

You are just simply not considering other player's possible experiences.

[hard ivy]

I'd like to point out I put "imo" in there

but even in general, it's not that good

it only saves constructors

that's not that significant

[sullen gull]

Different strokes for different folks

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, of course it is your opinion. And we are just disagreeing with it by looking from a different perspective.

It is still a very cute recipe.

[sullen gull]

Cute 😏

[mortal ginkgo]

Yep, like my Doggo that found me 15 biomass.

Like bro. Can you please keep up.

💢

[sullen gull]

The one thing I've sadly noticed around here a LOT, is that one's opinion on how to do something in this game somehow becomes fact. And too many are chastised or made fun of for either not knowing or choosing a different route that suites their play style. 🤷‍♂️

[mortal ginkgo]

To be honest it is like 0.00005% of what I see in Elden Ring discord / reddit.

I -dare- you to mention using magic in there lol

[sullen gull]

Oh, I'm not doubting that this isn't a common theme in online communities period lol. And, also don't want to make it seem like I am trying to say that other's opinions aren't valid btw, hell I sure give enough of them. I tried to rejoin the DAOC community a while back after many years, and yeah, same issues, and then some.

[latent prawn]

i think a lot of it as well is the personality traits of people that like factory games

[mortal ginkgo]

we like efficiency.

screws literally screw that, but some people hang in late game so much (or ultra skip early game so fast) that they just dont see the "screws are important early game"

[sullen gull]

If only that term was unilaterally defined the same 🤣

[mortal ginkgo]

this is kind of "proffessor asking ridiculous questions in exam to students that he thinks that are very easy to him but cant see that its very hard for them" syndrome.

yes, I made up a very long syndrome, live with it bozos

[sullen gull]

Wtf, why did I read that as Bezos 🤣

[mortal ginkgo]

I at you

[latent prawn]

another thing that you touched on, but i'll call out more explicitly is what is important at varying stages of the game's progression aren't all the same. if you've not been through more than just the phase 5 delivery, it is hard to have the proper perspective on what is and isn't important

[mortal ginkgo]

Yup. I recently found out that copper is truly rare as vein count compared to iron

I was humbled after coming from DSP lol

[sullen gull]

But, even then, different things become 'important' to an individual as well.

[mortal ginkgo]

It is surprising how low it is

[sullen gull]

Comparitively, for sure.

[clever pier]

one pasta a minute is enough to keep 5 portals open, or 10 if you sloop the singularity cells... not that expensive really

[latent prawn]

it isn't extremely low, there's 38k of it around the world

[sullen gull]

Especially when you see all the IRON in the desert 🤣

[latent prawn]

*36900

[sullen gull]

Don't do my taxes for me 🤣

[mortal ginkgo]

oh I suppose I didnt look at the map good enough

or maybe they are too scattered around the world

Meanwhile limestone is everywhere, like literally

[latent prawn]

copper is spread pretty evenly around the only really large concentrations of it are in titan forest & dune desert

if you count the double-pure in the nf sweet spot as a concentration, it goes up to 3

[sullen gull]

Which spot is this?

[latent prawn]

except where you need it

[latent prawn]

speedrunner's bluff

[sullen gull]

I 'think' I know where you are talking about, and feel I have them tapped even....

[sullen gull]

Lol, nope, still lost sorry 🤣

[elder apex]

the western edge of the northern forest next to the river between it and the rocky desert

[sullen gull]

OH... ok, yeah ..

[latent prawn]

the spot overlooking the canyon & bay

[sullen gull]

Near the start of the swamp?

[elder apex]

i still like the central NF spot better for starting, i don't need the 2 coppers but the extra iron node and limestone helps out tremendously

[latent prawn]

did you reply to the wrong statement by me and are asking about the spot in titan forest?

[elder apex]

plus i'm going to move after phase 1 anyways so the distance to coal doesn't bother me

[sullen gull]

Me?

[latent prawn]

yeah. i mean, the nf starting spot is pretty well known and has 2 pure copper nodes

[sullen gull]

Oh. Never started in NF. Just Grasslands first play through, RD for the one I am in now, and I always started my creatives in DD

And didn't know about 'speedrunners' bluff

[latent prawn]

ahh, ok

there's a cliffside there with 2 pure copper, 2 pure limestone and 4 pure iron nodes, and everything else a stone's throw away

[elder apex]

you are being too literal about the stones throw away, as it is all off a massive cliff

[latent prawn]

the challenge with building in that spot is there's too many resources for the space you have

[mortal ginkgo]

I started at Rocky Desert because I didn't watch anyone starting there so I wanted something new for myself.

It's quite.. rocky yes.

[sullen gull]

Ohhh, nice... ok. That sounds like a better spot than in front of the waterfalls in RD, around the lake. 3 Pure Iron, Pure copper, and a good deal of limestone. Also a pure Caterium right there.

[mortal ginkgo]

Also got attacked by 3 Stingers after 1 minute. Would go rocky again. 10/10.

[latent prawn]

all of the starting biomes are good in different ways

[clever pier]

build vertically and thats not a problem

[latent prawn]

nf's nicety is that you don't have to screw with long range logistics until you hit phase 4

[sullen gull]

I'm gonna check that area though eventually. Hone my "build with the terrain" skillz 🤣

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont know bro. Like I wanted to explore a bit and found myself beside a "pretty red forest". I thought "Hey I bet its friendly there."

Spoilers: It wasn't friendly for someone who just had few explosions and a rebar gun.

[sullen gull]

I mean, I say hone ... when I mean develop 🤣

[elder apex]

where are you getting your oil then that you don't consider 'long range'? Spire or south of the NF by the lake?

[hard ivy]

eh, i couldn't really find any good things about the grasslands that are unique to the grasslands

[latent prawn]

there's 2 impure oil nodes at the top of the hill on the other side of the canyon strattling the nf/spire coast border

[sullen gull]

Wide open and flat ... thats about it imo lol

[elder apex]

agreed, the only thing I liked about the grasslands was that it was good for photo ops

[latent prawn]

it's enough space there for a starter oil build, though 300 crude isn't a ton to work with

[clever pier]

the lack of water actually makes the grasslands the worst place to start

[hard ivy]

only NF isn't wide open. the other 3 are

[hard ivy]

the color is nice, yes

[mortal ginkgo]

I saw a streamer playing NF the other day. That place is really.. mountainous. Yes thats a new word.

[sullen gull]

Yeah, that's fair.

[elder apex]

and the flatness with terrain texture in the background

[latent prawn]

if you realize in NF that the canyon is the perfect place for a large train yard, it gets a lot less crowded

[sullen gull]

All I know is one of the main ones on my 'bucket list' is to do something with that arch with the waterfall in the Spire Coast...

[elder apex]

by that standard for distance the only material that is not at medium distance or less to the waterfall rocky desert starting spot is uranium

[latent prawn]

ehh, you end up having to kinda splay out in all directions in rocky desert.

[elder apex]

i just pave over the middle of it

[latent prawn]

running routes around everything there for what you need tends to be a lot of work

[elder apex]

but I am not an aesthetics person at all

[latent prawn]

i've never done a proper all-the-way through the game rocky desert start

[sullen gull]

True, but running a train through that tiny 'caynon' can be fun 🤣

[latent prawn]

the canyon isn't tiny, lol

[sullen gull]

I am referring to the one in the rocky desert ... just north of the waterfalls/lake

[latent prawn]

you might be thinking of the little crag in the middle of north forest that borders the lake forest region

'the canyon' starts in north forest and ends at dune desert. doesn't really extend into rocky desert much

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I know ... one sec ..

[latent prawn]

i guess technically there's other canyons in the world, but 'The Canyon' is a definite landmark

[sullen gull]

Referring to this area https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1380993108744999095

Hence why I said 'tiny' canyon 🤣

[elder apex]

#screenshots message that's what my Rocky Desert pavement ends up looking like most times

no trains, just belts and drones

[sullen gull]

And super clipped power factories 🤣

[elder apex]

preach on brother Tinker

[sullen gull]

Like I said before though, not knocking it. Think they look pretty cool.

[elder apex]

fitting a 600/min aluminum ingot factory into 6x4 foundations is kinda convenient

[elder apex]

exactly, to each their own style and enjoyment.

plus I can't make something that looks architecturally pleasing to save my life

[sullen gull]

Curious .. an Unpowered pump still allows flow through right?

[mortal ginkgo]

yup, just does not provide headlift also prevents sloshing

(dont trust on sloshing part)

[sullen gull]

I'm just wondering if there is a way to create a sort of 'flood gate' ....

[elder apex]

like a check valve? Things can only flow through one direction?

[fleet wadi]

wait theres only 3 more days until 1.1?!?

[crimson mantle]

Yes can't wait

[sullen gull]

LIke, my initial thought was that if unpowered pumps blocked flow, you could attach the last line of pumps to a priority switch.. then, once all the extractors have filled everything up to that point, Ideally, you could throw a switch and every thing would theoretically flood in evenly and at the same time .. If that makes sense at all..

[naive pendant]

But why

[sullen gull]

Reasons mate, reasons 😏

[elder apex]

personally i'm always about flooding the fluid buffers first then applying the solids since the solid fill rate is much more predictable

[sullen gull]

Mostly because it would prevent things like this: https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/932761153703149659/1380742890325545000

In my thinking, if the idea was possible, I could make it so all those sight gauges pop all at once.

[sullen gull]

That flow is rather predictable. I know that if I flush a pipe network, it takes 2 min on the nose for it to fully fill to the top.

[elder apex]

to be fair, i don't do vertical pipes for liquids except when the fluid is flowing downward. I hate having to resort to using a pump

[sullen gull]

At least, 90 out of the 180 pipes tested this way, so I called it good 🤣

[elder apex]

and even on a vertical fluid pipe there is weirdness

[sullen gull]

I've yet to personally experience any 'weirdness' in my builds 🤷‍♂️

And I've always pumped fluids up into the sky 🤣

[maiden jacinth]

What's so bad about pumps

[elder apex]

#screenshots message Water being fed from an extractor above, for some reason the top and bottom machines fill up first before the 2nd to bottom then finally the 3rd

[elder apex]

Nothing is bad about them specifically, I just like to challenge myself to come up with a solution that doesn't require using a pump or the power that it consumes

[sullen gull]

Because not feeding from both ends. When a pipe section before another isn't full, it greatly reduces the flow down the line

[elder apex]

but why is the top one filling before the middle two then?

[sullen gull]

If you spilt the feed at the top and pipe it into the bottom, you should notice a more even fill

[sullen gull]

Because it's getting water first.

And the pipe doesn't 'fill' because it's all going into the machine buffer first

[elder apex]

then why isn't the second one getting water before the bottom one, it is getting water second.

[sullen gull]

My 'guess' would be gravity.. but that I'm not sure of

[elder apex]

seriously, the top and bottom ones fill at the same rate, that is what baffles me

[sullen gull]

But, those pipe sections also look to be 'too short' by vanilla mechanics.

[elder apex]

actually they are not, you just run a pipe between the top and bottom junctions and then attach the other junctions on

the machines on the other hand...

[sullen gull]

I have also heard/read that if you just slap a junction onto a pipe without rebuilding both ends, fluid can 'jump' the junction

But, I have no proof of that

[elder apex]

regardless, it works fine, it just fills up weird

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I have noticed the same on horizontal manifolds though.

Typically I just split the main feed into the middle somewhere and it seems to 'act correctly' 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

But yeah, I feel if you tested and put a 'feed back' loop from the bottom two the top, you may notice a difference

Otherwise though, as you said, if it ain't broke ...

[elder apex]

i'm not sure how it would differ, since the top and bottom are already the ones filling first

[sullen gull]

Since ~~water ~~liquids arn't unidirectional, it would allow the center junctions to fill from both ends.

[mortal ginkgo]

To be fair I would tell you guys to BOLDLY @ devs to ask how pipes work but I think they dont know either

[elder apex]

they are one of the parts of the game that is still constantly challenging because of little issues that crop up

[paper wedge]

any tips on how to plan things out or properly organize things to actually fit in buildings? Do we need to start clean and put down foundations everywhere?

we have a spaghetti factory in the grass progressing to tier 4. We are working on going coal power right now and have smart plates etc automated to the space tower

but its outdoor spaghetti. A bit overhwhelmed at how to start using the building components to make cleaner stuff

[sullen gull]

Well, definitely going to put my theories to the test with this one for sure lol. So far so good, but lets see how well feeding a row of 32 NPP's (14 rows total) will go 🤣

[noble zodiac]

Any I can get my hands on, lol! Honestly that main structure is made from almost all vanilla items, exceptions being emissive beams and the “pasta” interiors are made from beam connectors that you can paint (from a mod).

[sullen gull]

All up to you and how much time you would like to spend. You can leav the machines to producing and build elsewhere with the knowledge/tools you have now, or rebuild it all in a more organized manner. All dependant on what your goals are.

[sullen gull]

Another thing to note is to remember that you don't 'loose' anything when you build. So you can build and delete till your hearts content

[elder apex]

not true, I frequently lose my patience and then my mind when building

[sullen gull]

Well, I guess you may loose some time ..

[sullen gull]

Lol ... well .... 🤣

Try yoga? 🤣 🤣

I got nothing though ... I have the patience of a boulder. Nothing that isn't on fire isn't worth the effort of rushing through imo.

[elder apex]

@sullen gull no thank you on the yoga. I did just test out another build with that same style of vertical pipe manifold and it fills from the bottom up as I would expect, so your theory about the pipe not getting split properly by the irregularly placed junctions is looking good

[sullen gull]

Is not looking good you mean?

[paper wedge]

ok, ty - check this out for me if you would i spent an hour or so testing out the building i filled in a little valley

#screenshots message

this is kinda what im dealing with. We went overboard on biomass and need to delete it all and i decided to try and make a house for the coal. I havent decided how ill organize inside yet. Any advice on how many coal generators to start with? Is 20 feaseable to just future proof a little? Is this enough space (if i also use upstairs)?

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[paper wedge]

this is also kind of what our base is right now, we have a side base producing some stuff too like frames not pictured

[elder apex]

i mean your theory about the game sometimes splitting the pipes up differently when attaching the junction on it mid-line

[paper wedge]

how do you organize the splitters, i feel like it gets messy

[sullen gull]

As for the build, I mean, early game spaghetti for sure. But, I would look into building the coal plant first, and maybe near water (north of the grass lands in the 'sunken lake' is a good spot, 4x coal right there)

[paper wedge]

oh i see pictures, is that a different splitter than i have or just colored differently in those pics the blue and white ones

[elder apex]

i tend to group the splitter with the machine it is feeding, which as you suspected is made easier to manage by using the foundations to build on

[paper wedge]

i was planning on just pulling the coal and water to me, but maybe building it over there and stretching power lines is better. 1 little power wire can hold infinite charge and bring over all the power right?

[sullen gull]

Just normal splitters. Manifold setups work well for 8x gens not overclocked with 120/min coal. Just be sure to let all the machines' buffers fill first.

[paper wedge]

oh interesting, ok.l what does 'manifold' setup mean? sorry lol

[elder apex]

definitely build by the water and coal. Power is ridiculously easy to transport compared to anything else in the game

[sullen gull]

I would say it's better. The more simple you can keep fluid runs the better. And, take a gander through #screenshots. You will find many of coal builds that may give some inspiration .

[sullen gull]

All the machines connected in one line, source coming in one end, and then split to each machine down the line.

[elder apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

[sullen gull]

Thanks lol, I knew that was somewhere 🤣

[paper wedge]

the top example in the schematic picture, then - right?

top or middle i guess

[sullen gull]

Those diagrams are referring to the water runs. With 8x coal gens, you need 360 water total ..

Since mk1 pipes can only flow 300/min, you want to pump from both ends and the middle so the difference is made.

[paper wedge]

gotcha

those W's are fluid buffers, right?

[sullen gull]

No

[paper wedge]

thats essentially storage?

[sullen gull]

those are water extractors

[paper wedge]

ohh ok

i figured you would go from extractors to storage tanks, then feed in

[hard ivy]

do not use buffers

[paper wedge]

oh it is labeled when i zoom in, i see

[paper wedge]

what is their general purpose? how should i think of them?

[hard ivy]

for more advanced systems, they can be useful, but you can totally finish the game without a single one

[sullen gull]

@paper wedge this is the spot I was reffering to build at fyi : https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1381006705483321447

[hard ivy]

same with valves

do not use either if you don't know what you're doing

[sullen gull]

Buffers can cause issues with bad flow, headlift issues, etc. It's best not to use them until the fluid mechanics are better understood later in the game if you so prefer.

[paper wedge]

ok ty!

#screenshots message

thats it right?

[paper wedge]

ok, so just kinda ignore them got it

are there any major issues with building freely wrecking servers, causing lag, performance issues or bugs? (like terraforming too much in valheim literall bricking a server)

just anything like that to be aware of?

[sullen gull]

I will note, in one case they are very useful is inbetween a fluid station on a train, when you get there. They help with the 'lockout' that happens when loading/unloading. However it's usually more economical/effeicnet to just package fluid and move it that way. The same goes with reglar frieght cars as well... use an industrial storage container between the product and the station.

[hard ivy]

not really. if you build a lot, the game will just start lagging and progressively get worse. but you have to build a lot lot

[sullen gull]

There is an object limit imposed by the game engine .. but the chances of reaching it for 99% of players is rather unlikely.

[paper wedge]

well i see these crazy mega bases on youtube a few times that arent lagging, so im guessing by a lot you mean nothing 2 new players will reach easily? haha cool then

[sullen gull]

It's like 2.6 million or somthing .

[paper wedge]

damn ok

does a single trag segment count?

[hard ivy]

depends on the PC too

[mortal ginkgo]

Key is hiding them behind walls. Everything in open means everything needs to be rendered = performance issues

[sullen gull]

The default limit set in the Unreal Engine is 2,162,688 UObjects

[mortal ginkgo]

Also not having too long conveyor belts and using other means of long transports is key

[sullen gull]

Unfortuatly, the game still sees those as objects. It helps with graphical performance though for sure.

[mortal ginkgo]

object count usage is minimal since pure static objects dont count

I dont think any sane player gonna get to that

[hard ivy]

unless you go crazy on decoration, the UObject limit is not an issue. I have gotten the game to 20 FPS on a 5800 X3D without hitting the object limit

[sullen gull]

Foundations still count as one as far as I knew (used to be 3 per)? Not sure about things like power poles, wires, etc.

[mortal ginkgo]

they dont

[paper wedge]

lol ok word

ty guys

[spice tide]

wsg people

[sullen gull]

Lol, you have a source for that by chance? The last thing I found/read was that they were. (Not doubting, would just like to have the reference 🤣 )

[mortal ginkgo]

they got that in a talk about Unreal 5 transfer where "lightweight" objects were introduced and they state the same

objects that only has static look and collision no longer considered uobject

[sullen gull]

Yeah, it's a question on our minds with this 448 NPP (and more) build we're working on 🤣

I think we're currently at over 100k foundations 🤣

[latent prawn]

don't worry about the uobject limit. it takes an insane amount of building to hit the default limit, and changing it is a matter of editing some text files

[charred sentinel]

Question - is there any general guidance for the distance at which one should transition from belts/pipes to tractors to trains? Or is that strictly a "personal preference" thing?

[frozen ingot]

yeah it's personal

[maiden jacinth]

Tractors are pretty unnecessary

[sullen gull]

All a matter of how much time you'd like to spend. The only commodity that you can't get back 🤣

[frozen ingot]

tractors are great though 😄

[maiden jacinth]

Trains are useful for moving massive amounts of stuff long distances

[frozen ingot]

😉 - see! personal! 😄

they absolutely are yeah. But the vehicles are fun too. Some people use nothing but belts

[sullen gull]

As with everything, they have a use-case. And, while clunky I admit, recording routes can be kinda fun for some.

[maiden jacinth]

I restarted my save after finishing elevator 2 and realizing tractors are kinda useless

[frozen ingot]

i get that that is your experience, mine is that i find them quite useful and fun for medium distances, or even longer

[marble notch]

my issue with tractors is that they can't path around each other so they each need their own private route, making roads hard to use

[sullen gull]

One nice thing, is they don't NEED any other infrastrucure to run, outside of a stop and fuel.

[charred sentinel]

That raises the questions "how do you quantify 'massive'?" and "how do you quantify 'long'?" 🙂

[sullen gull]

Yeah, that does get hairy for sure.

[frozen ingot]

just got to make a good route with the vehicles keeping left or right

you can have multiple vehicles on the same route and they won't collide

[maiden jacinth]

Actually I restarted my save for the opposite reason

[frozen ingot]

and sincea few updates ago they reset to the next node now anyway

[maiden jacinth]

I want to use them

[sullen gull]

Again, personal perspectives on that I'd say.

[marble notch]

massive = any amount, long = literally across the map. train lines have functionally infinite throughput if you build the network correctly

[maiden jacinth]

When you're thinking about building multiple belts a long ass distance and it seems like a pain

Make a train

Ez

[charred sentinel]

So, what I'm hearing is "no set guidance, it's my game, so time for me to knuckle down and make a decision 🙂

[marble notch]

i mean that's always true. but trains are amazing

[maiden jacinth]

The game is more sandboxy then it appears at first

[frozen ingot]

yeah this game is a digital train set for a lot of people 😄

[maiden jacinth]

You can literally just toss belts everywhere and you'll be fine

[frozen ingot]

yeah pretty much lol 😄 I would encourage you to try everything the game has to offer, experiment, see what you prefer 🙂

[charred sentinel]

Thanks, everyone! Gotta go grow my factory some more, now - kittens and puppies are counting on me!

[frozen ingot]

they certainly are Pioneer!

[shell obsidian]

When are we getting a mod that adds Cats 10x the size of you into the game?

[frozen ingot]

when you make it, cos you might be the only person who wants it 😛

[shell obsidian]

Did you read my profile description???

[frozen ingot]

i have now

[hollow vector]

we need maxeeks cats to be in game

[shell obsidian]

Maybe

I really want a mod that lets you create custom terrain

[mortal ginkgo]

It seems there was this old bug that caused Stingers to go extremely large only as visuals. Like everytime you looked away they increased in size.

I assume you could get very large cat png with the anti-spider mode on 😛

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265680638426742786/1362451567562985682/converted.gif

[shell obsidian]

I mean I could try that but whenever I try recreating bugs it never works

[mortal ginkgo]

its a long fixed bug

[shell obsidian]

I make 3D models and hardly touch on game development stuff, so I will just pretend I know what you mean

3D modeling is where my game development knowledge starts and ends I am afraid

[burnt ferry]

man trucks are a real pita.. im unable to set a good track for mine and the nodes of the wrong tracks have to be deleted one by one as deleting the track doenst remove them..

[paper wedge]

how many coal generators can a single coal patch support?

[burnt ferry]

16

pure, 3 slugs

[sullen gull]

@mortal ginkgo Been trying to do some research, and this is the only I could find. States that foundations are still 1 UObject https://youtu.be/dY__x2dq7Sk?t=1790

[hard ivy]

depends

[paper wedge]

3 slugs means 3 if fully overclocked? but 16 normally? im new so not using slugs yet

[sullen gull]

Gotta do some math 🙂 one coal gen, not overclocked, uses 15/min

[burnt ferry]

ye fully overclocked i put 16 generatgors on mine

which are fully overclocked

[paper wedge]

i just hadnt built any yet and was trying to plan how many i needed before running over lol, thanks

[burnt ferry]

not sure if fully overclocking them generators is the best ratio though

[sullen gull]

So, if you have a pure node with a mk1 miner, I think makes 120/min iirc, that's 8x generators.

[paper wedge]

ok cool

[burnt ferry]

ah right, thje miner.. im talking mk2 only, sorry

[hard ivy]

normal coal node with a mk1 miner makes 60/min. impure is half that, pure is double. mk2 miner doubles everything

and then you can overclock as well

[paper wedge]

and if theres a big rock blocking the coal, i need to break it using an explosive? i think i saw them in the MAM but havent researched yet, so i may need to pause and go do that

[burnt ferry]

so.. fully overclocked mk2 miner, has 16 fully overclocked coal generators on a pure node in my save 😂

[sullen gull]

makes sense.

[burnt ferry]

depends... some 'rocks' are small resource patches you can farm holding e.. but other than that.. ye bombsw

[hard ivy]

keep in mind you have to take the coal out of a miner out of a belt. if you overclock a miner to 300/min, and you only have mk2 belts, you ain't getting 300 out

[burnt ferry]

the resource patches block building placement

[burnt ferry]

this

[sullen gull]

You know you don't have to hold E right? You can just hit it once 🙂

[burnt ferry]

had to update to mk5 belts.. o

[burnt ferry]

really? are you confusing with space in construction bench?

[sullen gull]

Nope

Unless you want to run around and 'auto-collect' leaves, there is never a reason to Hold e

[burnt ferry]

i collect leaves using a chainsaw

[frozen ingot]

yeah and even then it's slower

[burnt ferry]

like elon musk

CHAINSAW

[sullen gull]

I mean, that works too. But, with the random ore depsits or if hand mining from a node, just hit e once and it will continue until resource gone, inventory is full, or you move.

[frozen ingot]

i just meant it's a little faster to tap e to gather leaves etc than it is to hold it down

[burnt ferry]

fastest way is to hold the chainsaw into the middle of the patch

[frozen ingot]

of course

[sullen gull]

In 'Area' Mode 😏

[frozen ingot]

but there is a pre chainsaw stage 😆

[burnt ferry]

no

😂

just dull zombie gameplay until chainsaw is unlocked

CHAINSAW

[frozen ingot]

dude, chill 😆

[burnt ferry]

damn.. the UI even says 'press' e instead of 'hold' 😂 .. well this game... so many neat little qol thingys

but the biggest drive for the chainsaw is to be able to farm mycelia.. for its better energy ratio in early game... (that is using alien remains for tickets)

[frozen ingot]

alien remains for tickets has nothing to do with mycelia

[sullen gull]

Alien remains offers more bimass than mycillia.

[burnt ferry]

ye

[sullen gull]

But is better used for DNA capsules.

[burnt ferry]

a lot more

[sullen gull]

If you want ~~tickets ~~ coupons early on

[frozen ingot]

yeah i don't see why you went from mycelia -> alien remains for tickets, is my point

[burnt ferry]

ye i was counter argumenting someone saying 'if you want energy, use alien remains'

[frozen ingot]

ah ok

they do not come back

[paper wedge]

do leaves ever come back if hand picked

[sullen gull]

No

[paper wedge]

ok ty

[burnt ferry]

?

ah

[sullen gull]

They can be brought back via a save editor .. but that is a bit more 'advanced'

[burnt ferry]

but it used to respawn in early acces, didnt it?

i remember being bugged by foliage in foundations.. doesnt happen in my current save anymore

[frozen ingot]

i don't think so

[sullen gull]

I feel like that was due to update 'bugs', But I did not play very early access.

[mortal ginkgo]

So I did more research on what the actual code does. What it does is in short, converts the mesh into a "foliage" like thing where it only becomes a full actor as you interract with it.

So it does NOT increase uobject unless the player does something with it. This is where a foundation becomes an uobject temporarily when you want to change its color or collision etc, then goes back to a data-only asset.

So it does NOT count for uobject but I still wouldn't yolo.

[sullen gull]

Gotcha, right on. Cheers.

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, they do

[burnt ferry]

i played update 5.. there certainly as issues with foliage regrowing into foundations

[mortal ginkgo]

I got some foliage spawned where I had a base before etc

[frozen ingot]

pretty sure they don't..

[mortal ginkgo]

big ones dont, small grass stuff do

[burnt ferry]

i say, this is early acces vs after release

[frozen ingot]

i've never seen any foliage come back

obviously not including major updates and any issues that might have caused

[burnt ferry]

in my current save, me neither... when i played update 5.. definitely

[mortal ginkgo]

I had many paths that I cleared some bushes on the way multiple times.

It could be that an update spawned them but I dont got trees back etc

[sullen gull]

I was editing his save and regrowing them when he wasn't looking ... shhhh don't tell..

[mortal ginkgo]

I would still say "dont go too yolo" on them and delete the ones that you absolutely wont gonna see

[mortal ginkgo]

M A D N E S S

[sullen gull]

Lol, if you've only seen this build 🤣

[burnt ferry]

we all could see while we was on your pc... 🤷

[sullen gull]

It's gonna be Glorious! Muwhaha 🤣

I can't even take a screen shot because half of is cut off by LOD 🤣

[mortal ginkgo]

Brotherman

[ionic forge]

Copper ingot to cables is 1:2:1

I think

[burnt ferry]

quickwire ftw

nah.. thats the wrong name.. i meant the recipe for wire from caterium but the normal wire

[sullen gull]

@mortal ginkgo and @burnt ferry https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1381025240444047452

That's only one of the 14 rows 🤣

[burnt ferry]

almost like mine. #screenshots

[mortal ginkgo]

Dear Lord may have mercy on us

[sullen gull]

😏 https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1381026132689944646

[burnt ferry]

what? #screenshots

[sullen gull]

Though, I do not take credit for that work. That's all @frail sleet ... I'm just the plumber at the moment 🤣

[mortal ginkgo]

I am working on prettier places and its truly taking time despite the fact that I am putting each piece one by one #screenshots

I dont even wanna know how big it gonna be to decorate stuff like yours

however I am so happy to figure out how to make diagonal corners

[burnt ferry]

beams?

but theyre pretty new, arent they? i meant the small ones

[sullen gull]

This is Aeryn's brain child. As far as I recall, and hate speaking for her, but entire uranium all the way through ficsonium and an entire project assembly set every ... 20 minutes if I recall ...

[mortal ginkgo]

holy

[mortal ginkgo]

there are new beams in 1.1 yes

also Tinker I have a big problem

I forgot to find a place to put Elevator.

[sullen gull]

I didnt do it.. I have two arms and an alibi....

[mortal ginkgo]

bro I got like literally no way to go up lol

[sullen gull]

If the elevators had doors on both sides, I would suggest working one into the center entry way ...

However, since they don't maybe on the oppsing wall?

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, I kinda wish that too but alas situation is a bit lol right now

[sullen gull]

Though not sure the layout.

LIke, if you have a center walkway when you came in, maybe build one straight across on the opposite wall?

[mortal ginkgo]

I designed it as 4 door entries in 4 sides

so like, got no space, kek. I will find a way no worries

[sullen gull]

Nice thing is they only take up one foundation lol

[mortal ginkgo]

also this is extremely confusing as 4 sides look exactly the same so you will never know where you get out from

[sullen gull]

But, building around/on them is problimatic :*(

[mortal ginkgo]

yep all you can do is putting walls and sometimes trick some beams around if you are fortunate

[sullen gull]

I'm hoping that once they prove 'functional' they will add more customization later on

[mortal ginkgo]

to be fair I would like a way to get rid of the power link thing

at least optionally. I can see it having use, but its ugly

[sullen gull]

Agreed

Trying to route to it in any fashion that looks 'good' is annoying imo

[mortal ginkgo]

MY MAN STOP THE DISCUSSION

DOGGO FOUND PURPLE SLUG ONCE AGAIN

❤️

[sullen gull]

Good Doggo

[mortal ginkgo]

third one so far, got some yellow and blue too

yeah he is a good one thats why he got a silly play ground

[sullen gull]

I'm horrible, I tend to forget about my doggos after trained and put in a pen 😦 . So, anymore I refuse to tame them lol

[mortal ginkgo]

#screenshots message

[soft marsh]

I hate trains. Really trying to force myself to use them but the idea of replacing them with 200km belts is appealing lol

[sullen gull]

Practice making a pylon BP ..

Then, zoop foundations on the routes you want to take, place BP, delete the foundations, place rail.

[elder apex]

don't force yourself to use trains if you can't stand them, belts work perfectly fine. I can't stand working with trains either

[sullen gull]

And, with 1.1 changes, if not already on 1.1 that is, makes running a rail network a tad easier as well. But still, as x4077 stated, they aren't mandatory.

[lucid pagoda]

whats the most coal efficient steel alt

[hard ivy]

coke steel doesn't use any coal

[sullen gull]

Iron Pipes 🤣

[hard ivy]

also, haven't I recommended Satisfactory Tools to you already?

if not I'm doing it now

[lucid pagoda]

i needa research some alts

[elder apex]

that would be 'steal', as in go to someone else's multiplayer game and steal their stuff

[lucid pagoda]

whats that

[hard ivy]

a calculator that can answer these kinds of questions (and many other)

[ionic forge]

Will satisfactory be on console? Looks like it would do good on ps5 and Xbox series X

[sullen gull]

Eventually

[hard ivy]

yes. they say this year

though it was delayed once already, so we'll see how that holds up

[ionic forge]

this year is getting shorter

[sullen gull]

It's been said it is top priority after 1.1 release.

Be sure to check #announcements as well

[upbeat dirge]

where should i build my aluminum factory

[sullen gull]

Near some bauxite probably 🤷‍♂️ 😏

[upbeat dirge]

i get that but where i am i supposed to get the quartz, water, and copper in a place that bauxite is present?

should i really use trains for a rinky dinky set up like this

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=2B4UeZx3dXQWtuQo1x7e

[sullen gull]

There are quite a few places, but most likely will be pulling one or the other a long way. Also, there are some alts that will make it so that you'd only need bauxite, water, oil (for pet coke) and copper.

[hard ivy]

get some alts to eliminate quartz, and maybe replace coal with oil if that's suits you better

also, make more. 10/min of these is really not enough

[sullen gull]

And most of those places, unless you want bauxite to be brought in, will be through the center of the mape.

You can do really 'simple' setups that produce 500/600 ingots from 500/600 ore.

And 'simpler' if you want to use power shards.

[upbeat dirge]

how much should i make for a starting aluminum factory

[hard ivy]

I'm making 200ish/min of each

for my own uses

[sullen gull]

🤷 200 sheets/200 casings is decently modest I'd say

[hard ivy]

more if you want to make something else for them, but that's gonna be impossible to estimate

[upbeat dirge]

its prob smartest to find where quartz and copper are, then train the bauxite to that location, instead of training copper and quartz to the bauxite

[hard ivy]

you don't need quartz
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=EVPKKopU65PAQ4YWicfx

[upbeat dirge]

looks like you need it to me

that link shows quartz

[sullen gull]

Check your tabs.

You may still be looking at yours.

[upbeat dirge]

no

[hard ivy]

there is no quartz in mine

[upbeat dirge]

i just think that you guys have your alternates clicked on and forgot other people dont also have those

[sullen gull]

OK, then don't lol

Ahh, you are correct

[hard ivy]

that's not how sharing tabs in tools works

[upbeat dirge]

i did lol i was saying its not my tab

[upbeat dirge]

dawg idk what to tell you

[sullen gull]

I was just poking fun mate. No harm intended.

[upbeat dirge]

i can send a video

yes, sure it doesnt have quartz

but it has tons of alternates that i dont have

so

[sullen gull]

Well, ideally I believe it's only what .. 3, 4? Heavy oil res, sloppy, electrode, and the pure's?

[upbeat dirge]

i dont have any of those lol

[elder apex]

quartz isn't needed, silica might be needed. You can get silica from sources other than quartz, ie. alumina solution.

[sullen gull]

So yeah maybe 5

[hard ivy]

get some drives then

[sullen gull]

But ... why not?! 😏

[upbeat dirge]

actually i have the heavy oil residue but thats all

[upbeat dirge]

just havent gotten em yet

[upbeat dirge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=03etyh5E0xJomradKiNa

[sullen gull]

For my personal style, I feel heavy exploration breaks greatly pay off in the long run,

[upbeat dirge]

sure it doesnt need quartz but it needs an insane amount of bauxite

[sullen gull]

What's an insane amount?

600?

[upbeat dirge]

ive gotten like 40 hard drives

[upbeat dirge]

1500 bauxite/m for only 200 casing a minute lmao

[sullen gull]

Uhhhhh

[hard ivy]

bro is sinking 2/3 of his alumina solution and wonders why it's expensive

[sullen gull]

The one I am looking at says 600 baux > 240 sheets, 240 casings 🤷‍♂️

[elder apex]

alumina solution is the 'solution' to more aluminum

[upbeat dirge]

me?

i have never crafted alumina solution bro

[hard ivy]

who sent this

[latent prawn]

you have a problem there in the fact you're making excess alumina solution

[upbeat dirge]

me, on my tools tab i put in 200/m of casing and sheets and unticked the quartz node

[sullen gull]

@upbeat dirge https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1381046892640731227

[upbeat dirge]

i sent one you didnt see. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=03etyh5E0xJomradKiNa

[latent prawn]

you can never break even on the silica for aluminum from alumina solution alone

[sullen gull]

Ummm, its because you are sinking solution

1000/min at that 🤣

[upbeat dirge]

why tf is tools tweaking

i never even said for it to do that

[hard ivy]

you turned off quartz and didn't turn on any relevant alts

so it needs silica but the only quartzless source of it is alumina

[latent prawn]

it isn't tweaking, you gave it an impossible problem to solve and it came up with the closest thing to a solution it could find. garbage in, garbage out

[sullen gull]

@upbeat dirge when you find drives and scan, are you picking a choice right away, rescanning, or leaving the ones you don't want?

[upbeat dirge]

leaving the ones i dont want so i dont get them again

[latent prawn]

pure aluminum ingot solves your problem, but that recipe takes some serious hd hunting to find

[hard ivy]

as difficult to find as any other at that stage

[upbeat dirge]

ill just do this hold on ill send a ss

[latent prawn]

yeah, out of the 3 recipes you'd want for aluminum, one of them always ends up being the last hd you could possibly scan to uncover it. murphy's law

[upbeat dirge]

#screenshots message im just gonna do this

[hard ivy]

I had a bunch of trash HDDs that I just rescaned and got all the alts I wanted

[hard ivy]

where's your coal or oil?

[upbeat dirge]

fuk

this is pissing me off

[hard ivy]

there's an oil well south of there

[upbeat dirge]

why not use coal

[hard ivy]

coal is also south and west but a bit farther

[latent prawn]

yeah, i game the hd lotto pretty hard, so i keep track of how many drives i need to collect for a given recipe after a tech unlock. seems like to me, one of the aluminum recipes always takes the max number of scans

[upbeat dirge]

on my map, the coal is closer than the crude oil

[hard ivy]

oil well, not an oil node

different tab

[latent prawn]

the game uses one fixed map for us all

[upbeat dirge]

ik

[upbeat dirge]

oh

[sullen gull]

Are you waiting until aluminum is unlocked before scanning? 😏

[upbeat dirge]

can i just use the water in the swamp or do i need a water well

[latent prawn]

nah, emptying the lotto pool with each new tech

[sullen gull]

Water in swamp is fine

[hard ivy]

but to use oil, you need the electrode scrap alt

[hard ivy]

water is water

[upbeat dirge]

bro

[hard ivy]

placing extractors in the swamp can be tricky, but you can usually place enough closeby

[sullen gull]

Or do it along the coast

[hard ivy]

tip:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fxrohs/looking_for_space_for_water_extractors_in_the/

a mouse with an unlockable wheel helps lol

[sullen gull]

I don't like that ADA tells you how to test if it's water .. make it suggestive that there are 'puddles/pools' that may hurt you 🤣

[upbeat dirge]

how come the surrounding out of border map is just literal unbelieveably deep, foggy, abyss

its like scary in an esoteric way

[sullen gull]

The swamp tends to seem darker than all the areas imo

[upbeat dirge]

i have like way too many versatile frameworks what do i do with them

[elder apex]

you'll need them for the future project parts

[upbeat dirge]

im only tier 7-8 but have like almost 30k versatile frameworks

[true mulch]

Sink?

[hard ivy]

Space elevator parts are only needed for the space elevator

There's no reason to keep more than is needed for that

Sinking is the only thing they're useful for beyond that

[hard ivy]

I'd even say there's no reason to make more than that in the first place. Except points. But lategame parts are best for that

[sullen gull]

Maybe decoration if you feel like it 🤷‍♂️ 😏

[upbeat dirge]

sink is so not useful honestly

[sullen gull]

...

[upbeat dirge]

it already is being sinked

[mystic island]

I just unlocked the jetpack and the only fuel I have is solid biofuel.

My god is it bad. Game is very good at telling me to hurry up with oil.

[sullen gull]

Do you have the ability to make liquid bio fuel yet?

[maiden jacinth]

Sink is extremely useful

[upbeat dirge]

for wut

[maiden jacinth]

Keeping your factory from clogging

[mystic island]

Not yet.

Just unlocked tier 5 and 6.

[hard ivy]

You will soon

[mystic island]

And I'm making lots of spaghetti just to hurry up.

[hard ivy]

Packaged liquid biofuel is the second best fuel for the jetpack for flight time

[sullen gull]

When you do, I would reccomend that for the jetpack until you can get RF (better thrust but doesn't last as long) or way late in the game, ionized fuel

[upbeat dirge]

no duh. but the tickets and awesome shop are like boring ash

[sullen gull]

Well, there is no achievement for a speed run fyi

[mystic island]

Just finished the most horrid factory to make 5 motors per minute.

[maiden jacinth]

The awesome shop is extremely useful for making things pretty

Which is also great

[mystic island]

I want to run away from my starter place and do a more organized factory.

[ionic forge]

is the resource sink worth it

[sullen gull]

yes

[boreal musk]

i rushed to p4 to unlock mk5 just to start making permanent factory (mk4 sucks)

[hard ivy]

?

[maiden jacinth]

Makes stuff pretty early game

Stops stuff from baking up later

[hard ivy]

Mk2 is the only one that sucks

[ionic forge]

yeah i currently have "spaghetti"

[sullen gull]

What's mk2 use again?

[hard ivy]

Getting 120/min out of a miner before mk3

[boreal musk]

since im using highest belt tier for everything, and i dont feel like making 30/min encased beam, so ill settle with 150/min aclad sheets

[sullen gull]

Lol, no, I meant the material used to make 🤣

[hard ivy]

Reinforced plates

[sullen gull]

Ahhh yeah, that's right

[true mulch]

I did the math a while back, if you limit yourself to base recipes and 60/min of all resources, Mk.2 belts are the most expensive (no Mk.6 back then to consider), followed by Mk.4

[sullen gull]

Thanks

[mystic island]

With stuff like better belts and better miners alongside under and overclocking, I figured out it's not worth it to keep rebuilding my facs.

I'll just make another factory from the ground up somewhere else.

[true mulch]

why would you need to rebuild a factory that works

if you get faster miners, you can just upgrade and split the resources

[naive pendant]

To some extent, what even is resource cost with infinite power, infinite resources. (belt cost)

[sullen gull]

I plan on rebuilding my starter area in my save because I rushed spahagetti to be able to build 🤣

[mystic island]

It's my first save. I made the big mistake of building stuff packed together.

[leaden ether]

I've torn down so many working factories for so many different reasons...

[mystic island]

So, for me, it's not easy to split things.

[true mulch]

oh of course, rebuilding the starter base into a proper factory is an exception

[hard ivy]

Everything I build after refineries is permanent

[true mulch]

but once you're past tier 4, you can avoid rebuilding at all

[mystic island]

The world is big right? Plenty of resources? I don't need to mine everything to finish the story.

So I'll just build somewhere else.

[sullen gull]

This as well tbh

[true mulch]

buuut it's true that you probably have to know what's coming next and plan accordingly

[true mulch]

absolutely

[sullen gull]

Maybe.. But you can also just design with possible expansion in mind imo.

[latent prawn]

you can pretty much get through the scripted game on a few biome's worth of resources. if you're trying to max out everything, the worlds resources can get tight

[true mulch]

98% of players don't need to worry about running out of resources on the map

[sullen gull]

Don't build 14 million plates/rods/screws/RIP, etc right off the bat.

[mystic island]

I'll just do whatever to finish the story. Once I do that, I'll start a new save with my newly gathered knowledge.

[true mulch]

not expansion, rather what Terrento said, build independent factories

[latent prawn]

yeah, never buid more than you immediately need

[mystic island]

It's probably what everyone else here did too right?

[true mulch]

!wikisearch independency

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[sullen gull]

But, even with those indepenant ones, you could find that your inital amount may be too low for what you want to do

[latent prawn]

if they didn't, they have a better mind than most

[true mulch]

each factory only outputs to storage for building materials, not as input to other factories

[latent prawn]

took me 2-3 starts to end up figuring out how to build things without being a disaster

[true mulch]

you can't run out of iron plates made in another iron plate factory if you just make exactly as many iron plates within the factory you're building

[leaden ether]

Yeah there is no truly independent factory unless you buoild one giant mega factory. Every product depends on a set of previous products all the way back to ore. You can be independent /to a point/ But after that, it's single megafactory or multiple higher level factories that need to feed each other. (Atleast need to feed upwards to another factory that is)

[true mulch]

huh? you can make EVERYTHING from scratch

[hard ivy]

? Each factory makes an end product out of ores and only ores

[leaden ether]

If you did that you would have one giant mega factory making nearly every single item when you got to the top,

[true mulch]

trick question

[hard ivy]

Why?

[true mulch]

provided you produce the same amount of stuff in the end, do you need a bigger factory?

[leaden ether]

Because there are only a couple tryly end products and they rely on several stages/level of products below it like a giant pyramid.

[sullen gull]

Not really. Again, you are only producing enough required for the end product. So, much less machines for starters.

[true mulch]

you either have 300 iron plates in one huge megafactory or spread between a bazillion factories

it's still 300 constructors

[hard ivy]

So you're putting phase 5 space elevator parts in your dimensional depot and nothing else. Got it

[sullen gull]

Aside from bringing in plastic, rubber, and nitro, I can make everything for the space elevator with everything around the lake in the rocky desert.

[leaden ether]

I actually put 5-10 of almost everything else in to DD as well as cretating just enough produicts to get up to pooting out a single ballistic rocket engine per minute. ANd that is a MASSIVE pyramid of necessary componants all the way down. ("Everything else" actually meaning everything else needed for construcion which is only about half the items or somewhat less)

[sullen gull]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1381058429598175272 Is this considered a "mega" factory?

[hard ivy]

Then you just make each item in a different location, using different nodes? I don't know why you think you end up with a megafactory when doing independency

[leaden ether]

I'm not really sure what constitues a mega factory 😄 I've made several things that are soft of mega factories. THen there would be the Giga factory level which I believe you are at 😄

[hard ivy]

You are aware you can make the same item in 2 different locations right?

[sullen gull]

I don't even bother balancing what goes into the DD. Just slap a mk3 lift onto the container and let them fill

[mystic island]

One note to add, I find it incredible how, even though the world is the same for everyone, depending where you start or even which direction you go, can have a huge difference on how your world looks from everyone else's.

[upbeat dirge]

same lol. i had like 100 hours in the game before i figured out its a good idea to use foundations for my factories

[leaden ether]

I plan for 5-10 item overruns of construction items and then yeah put them into 1 to 3 containers and the DD. Everything else goes towards building end items and then goes into the sink of course (Er or generating power)

[sullen gull]

And, I feel no two playthroughs from the same person are the same as well. Each one you now know new tricks.

[hard ivy]

Not with me. If I choose the same starting location, then nearly all factories in phases 1-4 will end up in almost the same locations

[sullen gull]

But do you build the same every time? Do you make changes and adjustments that you wished you did previously?

[leaden ether]

Yeah I look forward to a completely different architecture playthrough. THis run I settles on 5-6 main factories that do everything needed on site but produce upper level items which are then traded with a rather small transport network to each other like 5-20 items per m (So mostly really easy for drones)

SO it's a 50/50 combination of independent and not.

[sullen gull]

Or is it more just open 'factories' on pad just to get started and you already have your tried and true setups to plop it down?

[hard ivy]

I have 1700 hours in this game. There's very little I feel like I need to change. I only change stuff when an update drops, changing the "meta"

Only my end goal changes

Which, tbf, is half the playthrough

[sullen gull]

I am currently at 2975, and I feel like I still learn new things almost daily heh

I feel slightly ashamed that I only learned two days ago that you can right click on the swatches to set them as defaults 🤦‍♂️

[hard ivy]

The only thing I still haven't learned properly are tractors/trucks but they're more effort than belts or trains so I probably won't use them until they get automatic pathfinding

[sullen gull]

I feel that. I find it fun driving around and seeing the world from that perspective. Also discovering new roads and caves I can route through 🤣

[leaden ether]

I think the only reason I would do automated tractors or trucks is just for the ambiance if I made like a city factory build. Trains for quantity and drones for lower quantiuty and super easy setup covers things pretty well.

[sullen gull]

I like that "For the Ambiance" 😏

[upbeat dirge]

when is building zoop coming out

[sullen gull]

Out now with mods iirc.

[dense violet]

12.6

[sullen gull]

😏

[upbeat dirge]

how much area does a fuel generator take up? im tryna figure out how many foundations ineed for 80 fuel generators

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch fuel+generator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+generator

[dense violet]

!wikisearch fuel+generator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+generator

[leaden ether]

I've finished planning out my last factory for this build, the alien tech factory (That produces a whopping one ballistic rocket motor warp drive/m) and it's going to be quite large and suck 70-80 GW of power. The actual hard part though is.. I want it to look nice and futuristic and that is a giant wall to climb to get started for me -.-

[sullen gull]

Lol

[dense violet]

praise the wiki, love the wiki

[upbeat dirge]

(the /m is per month and not per minute).

[dense violet]

do a lot of planning, using foundations as wall, put different buildings at different angles, you'll get there

[leaden ether]

Going to go look through some scifi book cover art and such to get some ideas I think.

[dense violet]

general design videos for satisfactory on youtube is also good, plus game images from other people to get ideas

[sullen gull]

Sometimes I like spouting ideas to Sora (chatgpt app) and seeing what it comes up with 😏

[dense violet]

I've got a whole folder of images of game designs. If I like how someone did a corner, or placed buildings at certain angles. Things like that

[sullen gull]

Same tbh. My faves are when someone does some sexeh pipe work 🤤

[upbeat dirge]

would u guys say factorio is harder or easier than satisfactory? im thinking of getting it and if its any harder im gonna die

[sullen gull]

Different. probably harder as your factory is going to be attacked

[upbeat dirge]

like is it more complicated

[dense violet]

it's very very different, and the world is going to murder you

like, actively the map is trying to kill you while you build.

[upbeat dirge]

does it have any wave defense/base building/tower defense aspects?

ive always wanted a game like that mixed with a factory game

[dense violet]

that's one of the core differences yes.
and no infinite resources

[shadow crown]

satisfactory has number of nodes that are infinite.
factiroio has unlimited amount of "nodes" that are finite.

[upbeat dirge]

how tf r u supposed to build a factory then if you have to relocate it every time its done?

[dense violet]

you build trains to bring them in. and use guns to protect the tracks

It's a very different game

[upbeat dirge]

wow yeah seems like it

i feel like an mmo factorio would be so fun

[dense violet]

top down 2d tower defence mmo?

[upbeat dirge]

ye

i just love the feeling of an alive world like mmos generally have. doesnt have to be a traditional mmorpg type thing. like for example if no mans sky was an mmo i think thatd be so awesome

[sullen gull]

Satisfatory style mmo may be more fun lol

[upbeat dirge]

i usually have the want of any adventure type game to be mmo lol

[sharp mauve]

Man, phase 4 is so brutal in terms of automating all the items...

[upbeat dirge]

may be so

[dense violet]

top down 2d tower defence =/= adverture mmo

[sullen gull]

I'd tend to agree

[mystic island]

Guys I have yet to unlock monorials but please tell me it's not hard to set them up.

[hard ivy]

/m is per meter, /min is per minute and /mo is per month

[upbeat dirge]

dude i know i was making a joke

jeez

[dense violet]

every vehicle has a learning curve. It's not hard unless you make it hard

[sullen gull]

They don't have to be. Can be a bit clunky, but ask for advice and it would be fine

[mystic island]

Also, not a lot of people here like using trucks/tractors but I found them to be amusing to look.

Makes the factory more alive.

[sullen gull]

Johnny 5 is Alive!

[hard ivy]

That's because aesthetics are not efficient

[dense violet]

people either try to use them in spots where the terrain is awkward or don't want to learn how to place them properly. Or both.

trucks are perfectly fine in spots they are good in

[mystic island]

#screenshots message Like sure I could've used belts but this was worth it.

[sullen gull]

If I'm stuck on this planet, going to try like hell to make it look good damn it! 😏

[sullen gull]

Nice and clean

[upbeat dirge]

ARE YOU SERIOUS

WTF

[dense violet]

?

[hard ivy]

In Minecraft, my base is always a cave carved into the side of a mountain. In Satisfactory, that translates to a floating foundation platform apparently

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ bad chilhood imo

[sullen gull]

Lol I can see that. Though I have see some pretty nice builds done on the side of some of the maountains and cliffs

But not INSIDE, unfortunately not.

[timber shoal]

why do you tractors and trucks exist? why not just use trains instead?

[sullen gull]

Scroll back.

[timber shoal]

i feel like trains look better aesthetically

but thats just me

[sullen gull]

No, you're not alone in that thought. Different strokes for different folks for sure.

[timber shoal]

i can understand trucks atleast cause i like their design

but the tractors are both useless AND ugly, so i don't see the appeal

[gentle hazel]

which channel am I meant to ask for help with the game crashing on launch?

[sullen gull]

I personally don't agree that they are worthless. With a bit of work they are quite useful. Especially since a truck carries more than a single ISC (by one stack, but still)

[sullen gull]

If you're using mods, may be better to ask in the modding discord. If not, #1038092680493801533 with any and all info you can give would probably be the best bet. Someone else make have a better answer though.

[gentle hazel]

alright thanks

[timber shoal]

trucks are way too finnicky and hard to use, trains are easier to use cause you already build a set track for them

[dense violet]

hve to build less infrastructre?

[dense violet]

this is generally said by people who use them in poor spots for them

[timber shoal]

you have to build more infrastructure cause you need super big platforms to be able to even USE the trucks (unless you're in the desert region i guess)

[dense violet]

there's tons of natural roads places for basically zero infrastructure

this jsut shows you try to force use them in spots they aren't very suitable for naturally

like everything in the game, recipes, item production, logistics choices - sometimes it's harder to use a thing or easier. It's up to you to make those choices

[boreal musk]

trucks and tractor works better with natural roads

[broken thorn]

Any mods that facilitate building? I'd be a hell to make that beam sphere

[languid field]

Hi is the $30 sale worth getting it?

Or is there a lower price that might be worth waiting for?

[noble zodiac]

Yes, always Infinite nudge and in this build "perfect circles", but the beam connector sphere was made old school. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gTFPBtUBk8

geez - annoying u cant post pics in here.. Ill link it in design and architecture

#design-and-architecture message

[dense violet]

make a bp of one of the curves, paste until done

[dense violet]

do you like sandboxes and problem solving games?

[languid field]

I love problem solving games

[cyan garnet]

$30 is a great price for the game. Unlikely to be on sale for any less than that

[languid field]

Sandboxes.. I'm not quite sure, I don't think I've ever owned any honestly

[languid field]

Rlly? I recall someone suggesting I wait for $15 before

[cyan garnet]

FWIW trains are much easier to deal with in 1.1, which comes out in a few days

[dense violet]

well this is a problem solving logistics game that has many many paths to any possible goal you set for yourself.

you can get literally thousands of hours of play time and not do everything you might want to

[cyan garnet]

The game is no longer in early access. I’m guessing that $15 sale price was when it was in EA

[languid field]

I think the problem solving can help create enough goals to surpass my lack of creativity

[cyan garnet]

steamdb would know. 1.0 came out last September

[languid field]

Fair enough, I'll get it then!

[cyan garnet]

one of us one of us gooble gobble gooble gobble

[dense violet]

I would treat all the tech tiers you progress up as a long tutorial then that will give you all the tools you need to decide what mechanics you want to play with and how/what you challenge yourself with then

[languid field]

I won't be able to play for a cpl days tho sadly ):

[dense violet]

it's a very well laid out scafold to learn the game

[cyan garnet]

The 1.1 release comes out June 10th so that works out pretty nicely for you then

[languid field]

What exactly is 1.1 release?

[dense violet]

10th

oh what

[cyan garnet]

Nothing fundamentally different in the game, just a lot of QoL stuff

[dense violet]

basically just a few QoL things

[languid field]

Oh I see

Sad I can't be considered an og ):

[cyan garnet]

If you started on 1.0 it wouldn’t make any real difference to your playthrough. All the recipes and node placements and milestones are the same

[elder apex]

what? ADA isn't getting an upgrade to her insulting ability with 1.1?

[sullen gull]

Well, yes actually .. while stuck in the elevator 🤣

Though, I guess that's ElevADA ....

[elder apex]

you really didn't go there did you?

[sullen gull]

Their name, not mine! 🤣

[elder apex]

so when they release a Star Wars tie in DLC she'll play Darth ADA?

[boreal musk]

she will play as ADAkin

[elder apex]

isn't that like 2 of the same thing?

either way, i'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised with what 1.1 has to bring, I haven't touched experimental at all

[leaden ether]

"Upgrade" meaning becoming less insulting actually, too many people complaining about it.

[elder apex]

how can they complain about something that has a setting to turn it off if they don't like it?

[trim vine]

@sullen gull #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Heh, when I heard her for the first time when 1.0 came out, I was laughing quite a bit cause I thought her snark was hilarious ..

[sullen gull]

Ugh ... do I have to go get the drool catcher .....

[leaden ether]

I did to... I dunno, they were just talking about removing several lines that were getting complaints :/

[sullen gull]

I'm also liking your belt trusses (can't think of proper term) in the background 🙂

[trim vine]

in the back back, or bottom right of the image?

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ needs a 'PC' setting I guess. Can't really say much towards what offends people. Not my place.

[sullen gull]

Sprawling through the trees in the background 🙂

@trim vine yeah, partly. and is that a funky symmetrical balancer I see in the last one?

That it looks like coal is being fed with..

Noice.

[cyan garnet]

Some people just want to watch the world burn complain on the internet

[paper wedge]

is there any issue when building on a hilly surface to just cover it in a layer or two of foundation to creat a solid base even if its clipping through the terrain and covering

[cyan garnet]

Only your own sense of aesthetics

[elder apex]

it's your game, you decide how much or little clipping you want to tolerate

[trim vine]

If you're asking me how IIIIIIIIII would do it with a ton of OCD, I like building with terrain, but still on solid foundations.

I usually brick an area above the hilly terrain, but between pillars/mountains

[paper wedge]

well the clipping wouldnt be seen, it would be covered like laying down a building foundation, just worried it could cause lag or loading issues or building glitches out, etvc

like in valheim if you build into the terrain too much it would re-generate and break your base

etc

[elder apex]

like i said, up to you. Personally I clip the hell out of everything if it makes my job easier.

[trim vine]

It wont cause as much as you might think, and you shouldnt be doing MASSIVE amounts of clipping, but a few hundred or so foundations wont be an issue

[sullen gull]

Not so much here afaik

[paper wedge]

should i like 'encase' it with a hollow foundation, and build on top? or is clipping straight through and covering up a hill ok basically

[paper wedge]

ok cool

[maiden jacinth]

I think they're just getting rid of some of the ones that imply a time pressure

[sullen gull]

Ahh

Like the one when you finally place that coal plant 😏

[boreal musk]

would be funnier if ada has real time tracking when you place your first coal gen

[sullen gull]

Lol, psssfh, they'd fire me and send a new drop ship for sure 🤣

[trim vine]

I dropped a coal gennie well into late game not too long ago, and Ada admonished me for not building one sooner xD

[latent prawn]

little late to the party, but highly recommend the game. building in 3D is actually a really different experience from a lot of factory builders and actually really exercises your spacial reasoning skills

[sullen gull]

You could drop one the second it's unlocked, and still get yelled at 🤣

[frank hinge]

Can someone help me with suggesting possible reasons my some cars in a train aren't unloading? I've double checked and everything is powered, and each station is set to load/unload correctly, and the receiving containers are not full. The train will run back and forth just fine, and load the train cars just fine. And SOME of the train cars will unload. If I stop the train at the end station and enter the train car and press 'dock' manually the ones that DIDN"T cycle will then cycle but the ones that DID cycle correly won't dock manually. I've deleted and re-placed the whole thing and it still persists. It's driving me nuts!

[trim vine]

Do you have blocks and paths set up?

Is it a push/pull or through train station?

Do you have a push/pull track inbetween stations, or a minimum two lane set up?

[frank hinge]

No blocks or paths. It's a simple push pull single lane, one loco at each end, five cars, that travels a short distance

[trim vine]

are there other trains on the track?

[frank hinge]

No

[dense violet]

are your stations facing the right way?

as in the direction the train is coming in

<--------> like so

[frank hinge]

Good call let me ride it back and forth once to check

[paper wedge]

#screenshots message

why does it tell me when placing walls often they are clipping, when its not, nothing is behind it, open spot, it auto-fit and they look/function fine after

[trim vine]

Ok, I apologize for what I am about to say; I hate push pull set ups. They constantly have these problems you are describing.

Recommendation:

Build a 2 lane track that has trains going in a single direction, opposite on both sides, and have your train stations with through tracks, and not single push pull in and out.

[dense violet]

might just be edge cases where objects are slightly off from the clipped position on an axis?

[frank hinge]

Haha that's fair. Maybe I will set it up on a loop. It has been operating just fine for 700 hours until I decided to monkey with it. Both stations were facing the correct direction

[dense violet]

if it's a single train system though they are very simple and reliable. Almost always a simple mistake. It's when you start putting multiple trains on that the ycan become obnoxious

[trim vine]

As you develop your train network, which you should since they are amazing, you will end up needing better infrastructure in terms of how your train tracks run.

Additionally, having it set up with a two lane set up makes adding stuff in infinitely easier.

I have helped several people with trains, your problems with your track set up are not unique to you.

They CAN work, but the headache for each time you try and set one up is not worth it

@frank hinge

[paper wedge]

ya, maybe. i guess it doesnt matter just triggers my ocd when all the walls were blue and the last piece is like "no, im red" lol but it looks fine after so w/e

[dense violet]

oh it was operating and is no longer? that is weird

[dense violet]

fair xD damn objects being 0.00001m off

[frank hinge]

Yeah I added a 2nd car for a recource I just increased. That seems to have broke the heck out of it

[dense violet]

#1038092680493801533 post time. Show over head images of your stations and train

[trim vine]

Having a rail network that is two lanes would make your issue go away immediately

[dense violet]

Whos xD if they really only want 1 train, bidi is fine

[trim vine]

May I tag you in a thread?

[frank hinge]

Not just yet please

[dense violet]

if they start wanting multiple trains? yeah sure.. double lane all the way

[trim vine]

DM me, and I will add you into my thread where I was asking about trains, it can be very helpful

[frank hinge]

I will try to loop it quick. The larger solution you've mentioend, a real world-loop multi train thingy is on the horizon anyway. I just need this to work for a bit longer.

[dense violet]

make it 2 lanes side by side, It'll save you a lot of grief in the long run

[trim vine]

take the time and make that, dont worry about trying to get a single push pull thing going.

I did my whole world in one go, and treated it as a mega project. Did the whole "outer rim" and only develop the interior as needed

[frank hinge]

Yeah I saw a streamer named Bitz that did similar and it looked great. I've even got my blueprint developed already! The problem is I didn't know the game well enough to know where anything was built or what height. But now I have everything placed (gigafactories) except nuclear.

[trim vine]

So, if thats the case, and doing the whole world seems daunting, instead develop a network between 2 or 3 biomes where you are currently working in

[reef forge]

idk why but i decided to build my hub in the middle of my little aluminum factory

[trim vine]

whole lotta industry to see from the john

[reef forge]

btw is the sloppy alumina recipe any good

[trim vine]

its the best

[reef forge]

what about pure aluminum ingot

[frank hinge]

That's a good idea, I could start with just the main spur from my biggest factories and megabase

[trim vine]

I use that because I did all the bauxite in the world, and did not want to use the several thousand quartz

[reef forge]

cause those two alts are the ones i'm using for my aluminum factory since it makes things simpler

[trim vine]

Yeah, I was a dumbass and used the "Instant Scrap" one in the blender, fucked myself on sulfur

[reef forge]

also i had the most wild hard drives ever 6/8 ones i got had recipes i needed

[reef forge]

damn

[trim vine]

it is cool, and it is simple, but it used waaaaay too much sulfur

[reef forge]

what else does sulfur go for?

[trim vine]

Rocket Fuel, Nuclear, Batteries

[reef forge]

ah

[sullen gull]

Sulfiric acid, compacted coal, batteries,

processed uranium

[reef forge]

all that seems important

[trim vine]

if you peep screenshots I have posted lately, I am using most of the remaining sulfur I have to create 8000 rocket fuel, which will give me near 500GW of power

[sullen gull]

Very useful for different goals

[reef forge]

wow

nice

i just got to phase 4 i dont think i even did all of my phase 3 chores yet

[trim vine]

My motto to everyone is always this

Game Priorities:

Power
MAM
Whatever you want

[reef forge]

theres a ton of stuff i need to reautomate

like modular frames

[dense violet]

look, pre building a huge rail system is gonna be a bit of a trap. Decide where you want factories when you need them, then link up new pieces of rail as you need
let your needs dictate your rails, not your rails dictating where factories go

[reef forge]

i need to get the dimensional depot back

[trim vine]

Cobalt is on the money for this one

If you have been playing for 1000+ hours like some of us, you kinda have an idea for most things, and can pull it off

But trying to plan THAT far ahead as a newer player is near impossible

@frank hinge

[dense violet]

just make a new factory in stead of redoing

[reef forge]

i destroyed mine while i was cleaning up my old phase 1 base a trillion years ago

[reef forge]

im going to find a good location and build a massive modular frame factory once im done with aluminum

[dense violet]

even if you know the world inside and out unless you've made final plan plans and know where every hub is going to be it won't be worth it

[dense violet]

cool 🙂

[reef forge]

i love the interactive map sm

i was able to find such a good spot to build the aluminum factory

and it happened to be right by my first oil factory so i hardly spent any time getting power over to it

[trim vine]

I have a strong idea for most, and my train network has hella modular

random junctions near each and every node cluster that go nowhere til I build over by uit

[reef forge]

i love trains

[trim vine]

The chews are lovely

[frank hinge]

Yee that's kind of what I learned when I tried to lay down the world-highway before I had stuff in. The only thing I have left to build now is the nuke project in the swamp. I got giga turbofuel power, a huge aluminum planet and stuff. That's why I wanted to just get this little push pull train working for a bit longer. If I can smoove a few things out I can do the big rail/highway project because everything is build. But this damn train carries concrete which I need for everything lmao @dense violet

[reef forge]

i especially like sitting on top of the trains while they're riding

[trim vine]

oh my god, please do not carry concrete

[trim vine]

carry limestone and process it on site

[frank hinge]

It's waste concerete (wet concrete) from my aluminum plant. Gotta do something with it, and it's like 1000 per min

[trim vine]

v fair

[frank hinge]

Literally should have been as easy as "pop it on a train car and take it next door to the megabase".

[dense violet]

cool people jsut recycle the water

[elder apex]

why would you carry raw limestone vs concrete when it compresses 3:1? Am I missing something here?

[dense violet]

😛

[frank hinge]

I am not cool yet. When I tried that my kung fu was weak and the waste water kept jamming it despite careful math.

[dense violet]

direct feed is unreliable. Keep it split. Blue is fresh, red is waste. Unbreakable #1379527863610507384 message

just need a bit of clocking

[trim vine]

5:1 I think

Usually moving goods that stack at 500 are a headache, and easier to handle on site

[elder apex]

3:1 if you are in the early game going from raw limestone straight to concrete, and if you are at the stage where you are using wet concrete to get 5:1 then you should be able to get all your concrete from DD's and not have to carry a thing

[trim vine]

v fair, though I meant stricly throughput

[frank hinge]

w0t's DD's precious?

[trim vine]

Dimensional Depots

[elder apex]

Dimensional Depots, basically a way to teleport items to your build gun from storage

[reef wasp]

I want to play Satisfactory again. What's changed since the 1.0 update?

[dense violet]

very little even with 1.1

[trim vine]

1.1 drops in 3 days, best/most impactful QOL changes ever

[reef wasp]

Sounds good to me. Thanks!

[frank hinge]

The concrete in question that started this firestorm is hooked to DD at the source but i need to send a bit to my megabase for encased beams.

[elder apex]

i guess the 'carry it with you and process it on site' comment that was made threw me off, I thought it was concerning construction not automation

[frank hinge]

ehrmagerrrd. while we were all going back and forth i deleted the whole shebang and replaced the cars, tracks, stations, and remade the route. that fixed it.

the cause remains a mystery but at least i can move on

[prisma forge]

does anyone else's game start lagging like crazy for no reason every now and then? I'm talking like less than 10FPS

reloading the game solves the issue tho

[trim vine]

how developed is your world

[prisma forge]

not much

[trim vine]

then no

[prisma forge]

still haven't finished phase 3

[dense violet]

is it mostly in built up regions? as you're turning yoru camera to look at factories?

[prisma forge]

nope, it started while I was facing away from the factory, but I was using the zipline thing

[dense violet]

how old is your computer?

[prisma forge]

like 3 years old

[dense violet]

was it just fine 3 yrs ago or fairly good?

[prisma forge]

it has an RTX 3050, 12th gen I7 and 16gb of RAM

also it's a laptop

[trim vine]

is your game on an ssd or hdd

[dense violet]

lap top is rougher. How long ago since a full formating?

[prisma forge]

SSD

[prisma forge]

never formated it

[trim vine]

how old is the laptop

[prisma forge]

again, 3 years old

[dense violet]

well you could try updating your drivers - but if it persists I'd guess you have a bunch of bloat ware and your windows is a bit of mess

[trim vine]

ahhh sorry, multitasking

[dense violet]

I'd suggest backing up anything important and completely wiping your operating system hard drive before reinstall

[trim vine]

Shouldnt be any issues, make sure your geforce is up to date with other drivers

[prisma forge]

tbh I do need to give it a good clean, I suspect it might be overheating. Buuut it's expensive AF to do it and I'm kinda broke rn

I need to save up so I can build a proper PC

[trim vine]

pop the backplate off and air cannon that shit

[prisma forge]

don't have the tools for that

[dense violet]

a physical clean is never bad, but doing a formating every once in a while is important

[latent prawn]

what might be happening is that you have some sort of thermal throttling occurring. you might want to clean the machine or get a shop to clean it for you

[trim vine]

do you have a screwdriver and a paper towel?

[cyan moss]

I mean if its a laptop when doesnt it thermal throttle

[latent prawn]

also, sometimes just getting the laptop on an elevated surface can improve the cooling

[prisma forge]

it's one of those where I need like a pick to open it

[prisma forge]

yeah I have it on a support

[latent prawn]

not a lot of laptops are built for the type of cpu intensive load that the game exacts

[prisma forge]

it happens randomly

[latent prawn]

there may also be some bios settings that you can twiddle that change the clocking behavior of cores

[prisma forge]

I may put a fan right on it for cooling

[latent prawn]

cooling stands with a built-in fan do help considerably

[prisma forge]

I do not mean a PC fan

I mean a regular fan, like a big one

[latent prawn]

yeah, i know, that'll help but not ideal, lol

[cyan moss]

Satisfactory is about only game I have rn that actually makes my pc loud. Actually utilizing everything

[latent prawn]

you can pick up a laptop stand from places like newegg or alibaba that just are a thing with a fan that blows up on the bottom of the laptop

[prisma forge]

I just learned that, while the first pair of alternate recipes from a hard drive are set the moment you scan it, the second one is random. So loading before hitting the rescan button always gives you a different alternate recipe

[latent prawn]

there's other ways of gaming the hd rng as well

[prisma forge]

my brother in Christ I am brazilian and hella broke. Converting what I have to dollars rn is like less than 20

[prisma forge]

and I already received my monthly payment

[cyan moss]

Also can only have ine of each alternate in backup so just stacking more drives is better anyways

[latent prawn]

i hear ya

they aren't expensive gizmos though

[prisma forge]

yup, but I scanned my last one and I really need that pure iron ingot recipe

[cyan moss]

Everythi g is expensive in brazil

[latent prawn]

well, unless you're one of the priveledged, lol

[prisma forge]

and it's only getting worse with this government, but then if I talk about it we'll be getting into politics and I presume it isn't allowed to talk about this here

[cyan moss]

But even with good cpu ur gonna see drops with over heating

[latent prawn]

i think people will start saying we shouldn't, so let's not get into it

[cyan moss]

My pc literally I almost never hear it but satisfactory turns it into a space heater

[prisma forge]

lol lmao

[latent prawn]

DSP is also rather good at heating the room

[prisma forge]

problem is my room is naturally warmer than the rest of my house. Good for winters, terrible for summers. Even worse for my poor laptop.

[cyan moss]

If I had to live through the winter with no heater I would just play satisfactory

[latent prawn]

i sometimes leave it running overnight in winters for the heat, lol

[prisma forge]

funny how my save which I called "Late night shenanigans" is the most organized one

[cyan moss]

Where im from its like 70% humidity and rarely oflver 20c so I hate summer where I am now because 30% humidity and 35c sucks

[latent prawn]

this time of year, as it gets warm, I tend to spend a lot of my sf time out-of-game planning

[prisma forge]

humidity here is 96% rn lmao

[cyan moss]

Sometimes it gets so bad that I wake up thinking about logistical problems of whatever game I'm playing. Atm its minecraft

Idk why I obsess so hard sometimes lmao

[prisma forge]

autism

(/j)

[cyan moss]

So do bald people use shampoo or bodywash to wash their head?

[prisma forge]

have you ever seen terry crews doing a shampoo comercial?

[short meadow]

hey is there any way to automate bio mass production

[prisma forge]

no

[short meadow]

how do i automate the gas nobelisk then

[prisma forge]

unless if you consider your body as a tree destroying machine