satisfactory

[maiden island]

What makes you bored?

[elder apex]

or go explore while your factories churn goods and coupons

[maiden island]

I kinda wish of stuff was destructable and we had BAMs that hated the noise they make. Also rogue pioneers that hate you cuz you completed your mission

[sullen gull]

Go hone those Ficsit 'Defensive' skills 🤣

[maiden island]

It's all fun and game till you gotta deal with high end turrets and land mines

[sullen gull]

Sorry, mine was meant in addendum to @elder apex 's suggestion lol

[maiden island]

Ah k

[sullen gull]

But, It would be cool if you can do that as well.

[timber shoal]

why does liquid biofuel exist? It cant be automated and theres no reason to use it instead of regular fuel

[sullen gull]

Jet Pack

[timber shoal]

why not just use packaged fuel or packaged turbofuel (both of which can be automated)

[sullen gull]

Vehicles, though not great

[sullen gull]

There are two "Great" fuels, LBF and Ionized.

ion lasts only a tad longer, but it's got MUCH greater thrust. LBF is for when you want any sory of 'control'

For the Jet pack that is.

[elder apex]

if you are only using LBF for the jetpack would it not make more sense to just buy a bit via coupons rather than setup a refinery/water extractor/etc for a fuel that you still have to manually gather the base components for?

[frail sleet]

Liquid biofuel has higher longevity, way better than regular and turbofuel IMO. I only started to use another fuel when i unlocked rocket fuel, then i used both as they are good at different things.

Only with Ionized fuel it's really "better".

and you don't get that til 2 phases later

the amount of liquid biofuel is also not really a problem, because jetpack doesn't consume a lot of fuel and you can 8x sloop biofuel ingredients to easily produce 10x more than you could ever use without having to manually go gathering

[hard ivy]

1 stack of remains is like a whole month of constant jetpack use

[naive pendant]

Nice thing with slooping for liquid biofuel is you can buffer the output and later remove the sloops once its ran in the background a while.

[prisma thicket]

Or you can leave the sloops and end up like I did with 24 ISCs of packaged liquid biofuel xD

Though I find myself preferring packaged turbo fuel, purely because of the far superior vertical thrust.

[hard ivy]

The lower the acceleration, the better it is for building

[crimson stone]

do we know when its out on xbox

[hard ivy]

And imo LBF is better than the Hoverpack

[sullen gull]

The problem with TF in the jetpack is that it burns WAY too fast. Throw a packager on an RF line if ya have with a std container+DD and gtg for lyfe

[prisma thicket]

I don't really use either jetpack or hoverpack for building, I mostly use the jetpack for scaling vertical heights and the hoverpack for troubleshooting once a factory is up and running.

[prisma thicket]

I haven't setup RF yet, but I intend to get some packaging going once I do.

[sullen gull]

I personally just add a small setup off the junction for a 'Main' production. once the cointainer and dd are full, whenever it kicks on to replenish has never affected the main factory at all.

[prisma thicket]

Similar to how I set up my TF packaging, except I slooped one refinery, and had the excess packaged stuff going to a sink.

[sullen gull]

If you send excess to the sink, it keeps the setup running. Imo, there is no problem with just letting it stop after filling the container again

[prisma thicket]

I had issues with keeping my production running stable when I let the TF backup, so I opted for the sink to keep things producing. One slooped refinery isn't a huge deal and everything runs smoothly.

[sullen gull]

And that's just extra you have to account for when making the power plant. With letting it turn off, it shouldn't affect the main production.

[dire jasper]

Have they announced that splurgers are officially coming? I’ve heard that a few times, but I might have just been gaslit

[prisma thicket]

I don't even know what a "splurger" is lol

[oblique aspen]

A combined splitter/merger, but its the first I have heard of it

[dire jasper]

Yeah so I was being gaslit

[naive pendant]

We can workshop that name later. I vote for merter.

Or maybe merg-er. (/s)

[elder apex]

wouldn't the name depend on if it merged first then split or split first then merged?

[sullen gull]

It's from Modeler. The authors term for object that acts as a splitter or a merger.

[dire jasper]

Oh ok, I was told it was going to be a new use for the programmable splitter

[naive pendant]

The whole 3:1 or 1:3 thing seems rather incompatible with a single entity serving both purposes.

[elder apex]

actually, wouldn't it just act as a 2 belt to 2 belt balancer?

[dire jasper]

Haven’t felt this stupid since new is under the truck

[naive pendant]

Guess we're just in wild speculation land, so should implement the proper splitter/merger ala Factorio splitter.

[hard ivy]

Yes

[elder apex]

now if they added in ports on all 6 sides of the cube then things would get interesting

[dire jasper]

What’s the difference?

[hard ivy]

Cursed 3:3

[hard ivy]

A Factorio splitter is a 2:2 balancer

[sullen gull]

I mean, didn't they technically already do that with vertical mergers and spillters?

[elder apex]

i thought the vertical variants still only had 4 ports. I haven't done anything with 1.1 exp yet

[dire jasper]

Are those a thing now???

[hard ivy]

They do only have 4

[sullen gull]

They do, but can be snapped to a lift right, so then now it has 6 😏

[dire jasper]

Wtf those aren’t in the game pls don’t gaslight me again

[sullen gull]

1.1

[naive pendant]

@dire jasper Probs the biggest upside of factorio 2:2 splitter is it lets you use the priority settings to create "super belts" where a group of many belts effectively act like a single larger belt. It's the current "meta" for bus bases to use splitter waterfalls in that way.

[elder apex]

i'm probably the only person around that isn't that excited about the vertical counterparts because I already have no problem doing vertical splits/merges with flush mounted lifts

[hard ivy]

And I just don't do verticality

[naive pendant]

Checked a 1.1 clip, looks like verticle splitter/merger require snapping to an in place vertical lift. The two horizontal outputs/inputs get placed on opposite faces with the other two blank.

I did the equivalent functionality by snaking a belt back and forth for verticle levels as a workaround in 1.0. Like taking a single layer and accordion smooshing it.

[lament niche]

Hi @frail sleet

[small owl]

How much of tier 3/4 steel stuff should the initial factory make ideally? I'm guessing that initial factory is going to be pipes, beams, encased industrial beams, motors, stators, and versatile framework.

I'm gonna be building this in the pure iron and normal/impure coal nodes just north of the rocky desert spawnpoint.

[timber shoal]

i find it weird that hoverpack becomes available in phase 3

wouldn't it make sense to unlock it in the same tier as jetpack?

[dire falcon]

Hi guys I'm back

Sorta

[latent prawn]

usually one node's worth of iron & coal for intro steel is all you'll need for building supply. later both rotor/stator/motors and HMF's use steel (and optionally an MF recipe does as well), typically you'd build that steel prod in those factories

[timber shoal]

do the nuke and gas nobelisks have actual uses or are they just memes

cause they seem pretty useless to me, especially the gas one

[ionic forge]

When do i get oil processing, im kinda tired of deforesting the map for biofuel

[maiden jacinth]

Coal comes first

Oh wait fuel

[ionic forge]

Ah okay, I won't get attacked for pollution right

[small owl]

No, there are no regulations out in space. It's a corporate paradise where you can do whatever you want

[maiden jacinth]

The only pollution is nuclear

Which honestly does bother me a little bit

[ionic forge]

Ah, so consequences for mega basing are irrelevant

[maiden jacinth]

Non-existent

[small owl]

Also, it's like the first or second thing after finishing phase 2.

[maiden jacinth]

Speaking of which I really need to figure out how to make a coal plant look nice

[dense violet]

other than having a single base that grows organically will be a giant mess very quickly? no

[ionic forge]

ik its different but im used to the factorio style of, expansion leading to attacks leading to more expansion

[dense violet]

oh sure, but satisfactory is a very different game in terms of design and layout style

infinite resources and constant production + comparatively low belt throughput vs consumption from machines

other than 'automation' , they are very different

[potent badge]

kinda wish there were like BIG mergers in satisfactory
like ones that had lots of inputs because i dont like making giant rows or columns of merger belts to merge a ton fo stuff into one belt

very tedious

[dense violet]

yeah mean a manifold?

[potent badge]

yes i dont like making manifolds

[dense violet]

so make the spliters/mergers part of hte blueprint for the machines if you really want

[potent badge]

i guess maybe

[dense violet]

and you'd still hve to hook up a ton of belts to a larger thing that would probably take up more space and look ugly. There's a mod for it and it looks stupid

[potent badge]

i mean i guess so

or maybe
you know how you can put mergers/splitters on top of eachother
maybe they could like link together kinda

with like a setting

or some sort of build mode for them

[dense violet]

? youd still need enough space for every input

and what shape would this monstrosity be? how many inputs? or would you have 20 different versions for 1-20 inputs?

seriously, just make a BP for each machien with power and belts hooked up already

[zenith pecan]

Load balancing?

[potent badge]

you do have a point but idk i not really a asthetics person

i can send a picture of like

my main hub sorta thing in screenshots

[dense violet]

it's not even really an aesthetic reason.
at what intervals of space will you have inputs? all machiens have different number of them with different distances.
will you have 20 different sizes or just have 1 really long one? that may or may not be the right size and take up way more space

[potent badge]

you could use elevators maybe

[dense violet]

it's just not a reasonable thing whe nyou have such modular factories

[zenith pecan]

Sushi manifolds are amusing!

[dense violet]

it sounds like you're making a lot of extra work for something not nearly as good.

your issue seems to be one of repitition. Which is solved with blue prints

why restrict what shape and size you make sections of machines?

[potent badge]

i gues

[zenith pecan]

Size, here is when size gets away from you #screenshots message 🤣 , got it working though, fully.

[potent badge]

honestly maybe one of my favorite buildings in this game is the particle accelerator cause it just sounds very cool
but i get scared when i see the power usage for something that goes up to like 1.5GW go to max even though i have plenty of power

[dense violet]

yes, too large 😛

[potent badge]

i just realized i already have 10 nuclear pasta i thought my factory was more inefficient

[ionic forge]

is there a faster way to make solid fuel

[zenith pecan]

But, but, it's only 12,000 aluminium ingots 😦 , I put the remaining 300 in a different building nearby.

[ionic forge]

im "handcraftin" it

[potent badge]

solid biofuel?

i mean i guess thats the only solid fuel so uhh i guess you can use constructors to make it

like a big field of them

[ionic forge]

oh

[zenith pecan]

The 300 ingots being separate serves two purposes, it makes the main refinery look more ordered, and specifically the 300 will go on towards making 450 trigons for the depot 🙂

[potent badge]

darn

i cant upload more than one photo at a time

[dense violet]

use a constructor

you'll only need 1 or 2 machines to make enough to fuel a bunch of bio burners

I recommend hand mashing things to regular bio mass first though

[ionic forge]

mk1 belt throughput is horrendus

[balmy bronze]

hence why it is mk1 of 6

[ionic forge]

is there also mk2 assemblers?

[dense violet]

it's called 'overclocking'

[zenith pecan]

Slooping on top.

[dense violet]

that's really restricted though and , honestly, kinda dumb. Really weird they put in duping mechanics

[leaden ether]

limited duping

[maiden jacinth]

not really

the devs want the game to be relaxing and friendly

just look at how absurd conveyers are

you dont think its absurd that conveyers have no power restriction, and can just be as long as you want

[marble socket]

If it doesn't, contact LD

Stuff damaged in transit isn't a hit you should take

[dense violet]

no, not even a little bit

for the same reasons power cables don't have a limit to how much power they can transport

[maiden jacinth]

why do trucks and trains need fuel then

[dense violet]

because logistics? it's as logistics game
and trains don't need fuel.

besides, powered belts would be automatic through the machines, all it would be is a negligible addition to power numbers on a grid. Which isn't interesting in the least

[maiden jacinth]

its a logistics game
but for a lot of people spaghetti becomes normal because its free

[dense violet]

power is also basically a non issue. If you're building due to power restrictions you're playing wrong.
and having every 100m of belt adding 1mw of power usage won't stop anyone because power is so easy

[maiden jacinth]

true
I dont think its neccisarily a bad thing because idk how youd balance it
but I wanna use less belts in my save

[dense violet]

then do it. Be neat and tidy. That takes it's own effort and planning

[maiden jacinth]

I am

[dense violet]

dedicated space to clean logistics is it's own challenge and imo much more effort than spending a bit of power on belts

[maiden jacinth]

but remember this started over thinking somersloop duping is weird

I think its perfectly in line with the game design for something like that to exist

[dense violet]

it is

basically all the alien tech addition created a weird soft creative mode

it's a play less mechanic

and if you want a creative mode sure go for it. It's just weird to have a soft creative as part of the main game

[maiden jacinth]

perhaps

I just wish we had the other direction without doing self imposed challanges

[dense violet]

well you can look at the game in 2 main ways

1. the game are the phases and once you launch them, you 'win' and are done

2. the tiers are just to get you up to learning the basics and then you have a sandbox which, by nature, requires your own projects

it's like minecraft in that way. I'm sure some people feel they've gotten everything they want from the game after killing the dragon
but most probalby don't

[maiden jacinth]

I see the game as a cozy factory building game

[dense violet]

a sandbox 🙂

[maiden jacinth]

once I realized that I restarted and put some rules for my new save in
and been having a lot of fun

[dense violet]

find interesting mechanics and create your own challenge.
For example, once a couple mods get finished, I'm hoping to do a 1600 hmf factory

[maiden jacinth]

ive been doing no belts or machines in the open
and trying to make all my factories look nice

[dense violet]

that's fair 🙂 and challenging early on

[maiden jacinth]

ive been doing absurd amounts of hand crafing x3
but no spaghetti
cant wait to start getting tractors working

[dense violet]

why so much hand crafting? get your basic factories out! 😄

[maiden jacinth]

its the challanges version of spaghetti ngl

too lazy to do it right right now

kinda trying to rush for the big power poles to connect my factories
since im also not using the little ones

[dense violet]

oh? cable managment is a lot easier with the mk1s. less spider webs

[maiden jacinth]

less spider webs?

[dense violet]

well having 7+ connections from 1 pole gets pretty messy pretty quick. Easier to do like 1 power socket per machine

[leaden turret]

🏭🏭🏭
🏭🕸️🏭

[prisma forge]

is it normal for my factory project lag the satisfactory modeler tool?

[maiden jacinth]

ah im using the ones from the sink

just mean like
between factories

or in this case
between a coal power plant and the stuff that needs the power

[prisma forge]

every time I make a new connection it takes a few seconds to process.

[sullen gull]

May be best to ask in the Satisfactory Modeler Discord

[prisma forge]

didn't even know they had a dedicated server

[sullen gull]

Oop, can't do that here lol. One sec

[dense violet]

oh do you just mean the giant power towers?>

[static dune]

do i have to keep my finger on LMB or space to craft? if so ;_;

[frail sleet]

No, just tap space. Handcrafting is also almost never done outside of the tutorial and very early stages

[static dune]

Ooh, my saviour! And yea, i'm just setting up automation, but still need lots of things so this helps

[leaden ether]

It's a funny progression with the power poles 😄 you get Mk1's and get annoyed by how few connections they have, get the mk2's and breath a sigh of relief, then Mk3's but never use them. THEN you eventually realize that neat cable management means using nothing but Mk1 electric connections 🙂

[maiden jacinth]

I'm just using mk2s between factories and plants

[boreal musk]

or use daisy chain connection mod

[maiden jacinth]

In factories I'm going to use whatever looks nice

[leaden ether]

Or the electrical floor mod 😄

[boreal musk]

you can try to go to crash sites, especially in starter location they have loots that helps for early progression

[static dune]

oh, i've not explored much so didn't know there were crash sites. Thanks!

[restive junco]

yay

i just bought satisfactoy now

downloading it right now

anybody to play with me?

[maiden jacinth]

They give alternative recepies for stuff

[tiny ermine]

Do y'all think 800 Aluminum ingots per minute is good enough for Phase 4?

[frail sleet]

No, it's plenty for automating casings / sheets / fluid tanks for the build gun and misc stuff though

even 400 is maybe fine for that

but for some of the things to automate in p4, in good numbers, you can put 800 aluminum into building just one part

[tiny ermine]

Hmmm

So I should get those 2 other pure nodes then

and just make the factory larger then

[dense violet]

probably yeah 🙂

[tiny ermine]

Well I don't have mk3 miners yet, but even then yeah Ill just do that

[maiden jacinth]

overclock the miners

[boreal musk]

you plan from end product, you dont guess

[dense violet]

you could always plan and build for mk3 miners and just upgrade them after with mk5 belts. It's a quick upgrade

[boreal musk]

and it also varies, depending on how large you build things

[tiny ermine]

Though then that would be 7200 bauxite per minute

[frail sleet]

Yeah, plan backwards, make a list of the parts you want to automate in P4 and put it into Tools

If i were going P4, first thing i would do is ghetto setup for sheets to use mk5 belt. Afterwards, i would build on like 3000 aluminum or something with a setup that takes an input of 600 for one "module". Later when getting mk6 belts you can feed 2x600 instead of 1x600 per Pure miner.

[tiny ermine]

Tools is making me do some weird converter recipe and I can't get it to stop

[frail sleet]

disable the converter in "buildings"

easiest fix for p1-p4

[tiny ermine]

Aight, thank you

Aight so plan for 7200 bauxite per minute then

[frail sleet]

7200 is a lot for just p4 (good number for whole game) but 800 is little

[leaden ether]

Well also, you don't HAVE to make 30 X a minute either. My Al plant for phase 4 was only 280 ingots/m and still fulfilled it's job in like 4 hours or something when complete. In fact it ussualy takes like 4-5x as long t build the factory than it does for it to serve it's purpose for the elevator parts.

[tiny ermine]

So 6600 Aluminum ingots per minute

[frail sleet]

You don't have to, but it's good to have moderate numbers of other parts for automation. Between like RCU's, supercomputers, turbomotors and PCC's i did easily use thousands of aluminum per minute (although it could have been less, with fewer numbers of parts).

I put 400 just for casings/sheets/fluid tanks on the dimensional depot and stressed that quite healthily

[tiny ermine]

1800 petroleum coke per minute, so I need to create a petroleum coke plant as well, rather than just using my byproduct from my plastic and rubber offshoot for my technology plant

[tiny ermine]

hmmm okay

[frail sleet]

Yeah, it's also a good time to play with recycled plastic and recycled rubber loops with diluted fuel and HOF alt recipies

to get those in quantity

[tiny ermine]

damnit why is it making me using foundries as well

I'd rather it use the pure recipe instead

but it is using the foundry recipe as well

[boreal musk]

change the recipe to pure

[tiny ermine]

I already have the recipe to it

it is using both pure and foundry

[leaden ether]

I didn;t put a huge amount into overbuilding at first due to not really knowing what was necessary later on and not wanting to waste too much time. BUT my plan was to eek through the phases, then once done, knowing what it took to do everything, to go back anr rebuild everything correctly 😄 (Which at 700 hours I am still doing)

[boreal musk]

disable the foundry recipe

[frail sleet]

you can search in the recipe lists and disable the ones that you don't want

[frail sleet]

For me, i mostly ended up making i think 5 seperate little aluminum plants because every time i wanted to do something else, it required a bunch of aluminum - which was kind of a waste of my time because i could have just done it bigger to begin with and centralised the logistics more

[boreal musk]

it took me 2.4k alu ingot/min to automate p4 and p5 stuffs (not counting space parts)

which is kinda small

[frail sleet]

Mine was several times that but could be argued to be excessive

[tiny ermine]

okay 6k ingots per minute with only pure recipe

[frail sleet]

but more than 800 i think is a good call 😄

[tiny ermine]

well if I use the non pure nodes as well I can probably up it to 8k

[frail sleet]

you'll get mk.3 miner before a lot of the needs also, and mk.6 belt before the p5 stuff

[tiny ermine]

Alright

Well time to start doing this

[boreal musk]

then again, you can cut the alu cost for casing by using the alt which use copper+alu ingot in assembler

[frail sleet]

Yeah i recommend alclad for casings and sheets

[last jungle]

should i save up a bit of bauxite for when i can make aluminum?

[leaden ether]

That's kind of the other reason not to go too nuts, earlier on you don;t have all the alt resipies or mk6 belts and such so building too big early can be... "innefficient" 🙂

[tiny ermine]

I got it

[frail sleet]

P5 can stress copper but it stresses bauxite more (at scale). If you're not building huge, it's mostly easier to just use the copper and get more out of your aluminum from it since it's a good multiplier for not much effort

[boreal musk]

and theres enough copper in the map anyway, especially with pure ingot alt

still a lot of copper even if you do 30/min pasta

[frail sleet]

copper does run out before most other resources, but none of them do until you build much bigger than the game objectives demand

[tiny ermine]

Also anyone aware why when I place a splitter it just stops everything on that belt, and I have to replace all the belts for it to work?

[frail sleet]

Building splitters/mergers/junctions on top of an already existing belt/pipe is a bit unreliable, best to not do it

[boreal musk]

i recommend to always put splurger/junction first before belt/pipe

[dense violet]

and if you do place them on belts rebuild all the connections

it doesn't always cause issues but there's edge cases

[tiny ermine]

Is it a new bug or something? As I remember being able to place them on existing belts with no problems before

[dense violet]

the issue is generally if it gets placed near a joint in belts it can be a bit weird, but it shouldn't be a normal thing at all

you on a server or something?

running mods?

[tiny ermine]

No, but I am using mods, so it may be a mod causing it

Oh wait, probably is infinite splines, as it is discontinued

[dense violet]

that'll do it

[tiny ermine]

If I uninstall infinite splines would it mess up all my belts and stuff?

Or would it stay the same

[dense violet]

iirc that's a rough one to lose because those belts are independent from other belts and they'll disapear

[tiny ermine]

Ah damn

[dense violet]

yeah I try to do my best to avoid mods that will kill my world if the ygo

[tiny ermine]

It wasn't discontinued when I installed it last so I didn't know sadly

[boreal musk]

backup the save file and try remove the mods to see if it completely broke the setup or not

[tiny ermine]

Aight

[dense violet]

pre 1.0 save?

[boreal musk]

nah, infinite splines is updated to 1.0

[tiny ermine]

Nah, but infinite splines was last updated in like march or smth

[dense violet]

oh well you could just wait for it to update to 1.1 when it releases

[tiny ermine]

Its discontinued

so sadly it wont

[dense violet]

oh fully discontinued. :\

[tiny ermine]

Yeah

[dense violet]

I'm still waiting on micro manage to make a return. author is apparently working on it

[boreal musk]

how different is it compared to infinite nudge

[tiny ermine]

manage or spline?

[boreal musk]

micromanage

[tiny ermine]

Uhhh how many freights does it take to transport 7200 bauxite per minute, and 2400 p coke per minute?

1200 per node

6 nodes

[dense violet]

from what I understand of infinite nudge it doesn't have a lot of niche tools. like creating an anchor point, selecting a bunch of objects at different distances, and tilting them all simultaneously

it also has a big copy paste option, and a ton of other tools you can anchor and change multiple items at once

[boreal musk]

i see

[tiny ermine]

uh any of y'all know how many bauxite are in a stack?

[dense violet]

for example, the building in the lower right, all the tilted glass and frames were angled together #design-and-architecture message

[dense violet]

generally ore is 100

[tiny ermine]

okay

so I need a minimum of 72 slots

[dense violet]

what's this for?

[tiny ermine]

I'm using a train to move the bauxite to the main processing plant

[dense violet]

ah that's not really how train throughput works

[tiny ermine]

Wdym?

[dense violet]

Well distance and belt speed have huge impacts on your throughput

and because train platforms pause loading items while docked you have to manage for that

[tiny ermine]

Oh ik

but if I am doing 7200 bauxite per minute

[dense violet]

yup and depending on distance and how you set up your trains it'll change things up a lot

[tiny ermine]

I need to have a minimum of 72 slots in all at the very end so that I can achieve it

so I could potentially need a lot more?

[dense violet]

lots more

[tiny ermine]

aight, so to be safe

[dense violet]

how far across the map are most of these trains going?

[tiny ermine]

uh let me draw a diagram rq

[dense violet]

just roughly. like half way?

[tiny ermine]

sent in screenshots

[dense violet]

oh you're not doing 1 long train doing a loop are you?

😬

[tiny ermine]

I mean, realistically I can do 6 different ones

or technically 5 as one node is close enough to route over to the other station]

[dense violet]

ok that's better.

so there's a couple approaches. You could time the route and use the train formulae on the wiki. Or you can eyeball it

is this 2 way rail or do they go in one direction?

[tiny ermine]

uh they can go either way, but it would probably be easier for a 2 way

[dense violet]

much.

[tiny ermine]

less track to put down

[dense violet]

wait wait, wdym less track?

2 way rail is 2 lanes right?

[maiden jacinth]

Two engines

[tiny ermine]

Oh you mean like that

[dense violet]

if you're doing single lane, make it one way

[tiny ermine]

When you say 2 way I thought you meant like, 1 train, that goes on 1 track, back and forth

[dense violet]

2 way like roads

much simpler for you.
if youre making a single lane I'd make it a long loop

multiple trains on a bi directional lane is obnoxious as balls

and slows things down

[tiny ermine]

Hmm, I see what you are saying

[maiden jacinth]

I mean it's a loop in the screenshot

[tiny ermine]

It ain't gonna be that no more

let me make like a new sketch rq

[dense violet]

xD
could always do stacked rail like this ? #design-and-architecture message

[tiny ermine]

gah no 😭 I would die

[dense violet]

why ? it'd be a simple blueprint

[tiny ermine]

I've never been able to get blueprints to work properly

nor have I ever been able to actually like build nice looking things, always just cubes

[dense violet]

zoop a line of foundations the whole way first
then put the blueprints on them

[tiny ermine]

sent a new like diagram in screenshots

[maiden jacinth]

Why so many lines

[tiny ermine]

Faster relay to the processing plant

[dense violet]

get in on #design-and-architecture , pinged you there

[maiden jacinth]

You don't want faster

Trains are about big loads evening out throughput

[tiny ermine]

I was literally just told it would be too long

[dense violet]

I'm honestly not sure what they are getting at, but your latest image is a lot more work.

[maiden jacinth]

Put another train on the line then

You can have multiple trains on a line right

[tiny ermine]

Yeah, but then you need proper signalling and stuff

[maiden jacinth]

Idk
Truck it

[tawny moss]

how do i get the old pioneer model back i hate the new one

[leaden turret]

pull up a copy of Update 8

or apply to coffee stain studios and add it back in the awesome shop https://jobs.coffeestain.com/jobs

aka "it gone, not coming back"

[tawny moss]

> get hired at CSS
> revert the pioneer model
> quit the next day

[tawny moss]

sad :(
the new one looks really plasticky and flat

[leaden turret]

you probably would hate the articulateable vinyl figure in the next merch kickstarter then

[tawny moss]

i mean that ones literally made out of plastic so

[leaden turret]

point being they lost the high-res assets for the original Pioneer model, so you'd pretty much have to ask the art department to remake the original model from scratch.

[tawny moss]

yeah i know...

is the one in u8 not the high res one?

[leaden turret]

art department: [J. Jonah Jameson "oh you're serious gif"]

[tiny ermine]

Way to damn long for that

[leaden turret]

the old one in the game was made from high res assets, same with all the buildings; original assets are higher res/poly count then they get baked down to a lower poly count so your gpu doesn't hall over from rendering the Pioneer's arms

[tawny moss]

lol

i see

ill miss being able to look down ingame and see what i dont have irl

[leaden turret]

things that have gone wrong in the CSS office:

• power cuts
• losing the Pioneer model
• basement pooper
• elgato no signal

[tawny moss]

the basement what

[leaden turret]

someone pooped in the basement at an office party

old office, not the new one.

probably not connected to why they moved offices.

<@&370483737957236737> what percentage of CSS is now new enough to not know off the basement pooper?

[tawny moss]

dashcon type shit

did they ever find who it was

[leaden turret]

let me check the archives...

[tawny moss]

im not sure which is worse:

• an employee did it
• someone not from the office snuck in and did it DURING a party

[leaden turret]

May 15th, 2020 Livestream
Q&A: Please tell us a story about your biggest night out together?
https://youtube.com/embed/NlIVwoRqjVk?autoplay=1&start=677&end=734

was a big party here is the hijinks the next morning so at our studio where we were before if you walked out the front door there were stairs going down into the basement below and at the bottom of those stairs there was human 💩 with toilet paper so someone at the party got toilet paper and took a 💩 in the basement I don't know how that worked we still don't know who the mystery poop person was if anyone has any information please call 1-800 mystery poop man and that will help us get to the bottom of this

so I guess not

hello to everyone waking up later and scrolling back in chat

you're welcome.

[tawny moss]

lmao

so theres a possibility someone on the current CSS staff did it and hasnt said a WORD

[abstract heron]

i can't wait for 1.1 to come out

then thinking whats going to be with 1.2

[tawny moss]

old pioneer model returns

[leaden turret]

June 3rd, 2025 Livestream
Q&A: After 1.1, 1.2 100%?
https://youtu.be/bHYar96s1uk

that's what they said about Updates 9 and 8.

[leaden turret]

me in clips archive comments earlier:

Five words: Lizard Doggo Hypertube Artillery Cannon

[maiden jacinth]

More air stuff would be cool

[leaden turret]

air bud dlc, confirmed

[maiden jacinth]

Planes. Rockets. Let us fly

[leaden turret]

computer says no https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/features/unplanned-features/aerial-travel/

[maiden jacinth]

Cowards /s

[leaden turret]

if you want to see what it'd be like, go ride the manta

[tiny ermine]

I wish Satisfactory had smth similar to Cities Skylines 2, where you can place parallel roads/ track

[leaden turret]

something similar to CS2, where they launch it with poor performance and over-monetisation? 😛

[tiny ermine]

Well besides that point, and how CS1 is still a better game

Just the road building mechanics

[leaden turret]

"why's the FPS tanking?"
individual taste buds on Lizard Doggo tongue being rendered in real time

(reference to CS2 rendering individual teeth)

[tiny ermine]

Also maybe something like TM:PE from CS1

[leaden turret]

it remains to be seen what comes of them revisiting their previous experiments with buildable roads....

[maiden jacinth]

Roads and trucks should really be touched up

[leaden turret]

FICSIT HR passes on complaint from the FICSIT vehicle pool

[tiny ermine]

Trucks in general should be, as they don't have a lot of use at all

I have never once used any truck, tractor, or the other vehicle once

[leaden turret]

vehicles are fine they're just cumbersome to set up

[tiny ermine]

But have no use really compared to Trains and Drones

[leaden turret]

you've not used them, how would you know?

[maiden jacinth]

I'm using them a lot

Well. Once I get it running

[tiny ermine]

Videos, and also just make no sense

[maiden jacinth]

They're just in a weird spot where conveyers are really good

[tiny ermine]

By the time you need to start like importing resources from around the world, you have trains unlocked

which put trucks in a useless spot

[maiden jacinth]

So using trucks over conveyers only applies to like
Bringing stuff from miners you don't wanna belt

[leaden turret]

🏭 🏭

[tiny ermine]

Should I set up my Crystal Oscillator Factory first or my aluminum factory?

[dense violet]

you gotta use them in the right terrain 🙂

[maiden jacinth]

I'm trying to use fewer belts this time
So I'm gonna be relying on a lot of trucks

[maiden jacinth]

The paths seem pretty good if you use em

[dense violet]

the natural roads? definitely. I think a lot of people just try to use them in awkward spots that require a lot of player built infrastructure

[leaden turret]

they deliberately widened them in rocky desert in update 8 to encourage vehicles

[dense violet]

I imagine a lot of people like rail over trucks because it's physically built paths

[maiden jacinth]

The natural roads also pass through a lot of nodes

[maiden jacinth]

They like conveyers over trucks

[tiny ermine]

Also with Trains you don't need to deal with fuel

[dense violet]

fuel is pretty easy. Coal will do the trick. And plutonium rods later 😄

1 rod = 7hrs of truck

[tiny ermine]

That is if you go nuclear

[dense violet]

which you should.

[maiden jacinth]

I feel like nuclear waste is anti nuclear propaganda in this game

[tiny ermine]

You should, but but a lot of people just stick with fuel as it is easier to setup

[dense violet]

why? it's recyclable? much more manageble than real life

[dense violet]

instead of 400 fuel gens, I can set up infrastructure for 40 nuclear. That alone wins it

[maiden jacinth]

Other power sources irl have tons of pollution and negative effects

[tiny ermine]

Actually irl it is recyclable as well, but the US put a ban on recycling it because a President wanted military nuclear testing with decayed plutonium to stop

[maiden jacinth]

In satisfactory the only one to have drawbacks is nuclear

And biofuel ig

[dense violet]

Not very well recyclable. the main issue is that it's so expensive compared to other power sources

[maiden jacinth]

It's expensive to start

[tiny ermine]

Not really

[maiden jacinth]

Not as much to maintain

Theres a reason we're reopening three mile island in the US

[dense violet]

it's much more expensive to run per mw than basically every other option out there. Plus years to plan infrastructure

[sterile blade]

France be like: Suprised Pikachu face

[dense violet]

in general if the US is doing it it's a red flag to reconsider doing it yourself

[tiny ermine]

It isn't as expensive, if it was, why is Nuclear Energy actually cheaper then any other type of energy

[tiny ermine]

What?

[maiden jacinth]

Guess you should stop using vaccines and floridated water

[dense violet]

... it isn't? solar and wind are far cheaper

[tiny ermine]

Nope, not at all

[maiden jacinth]

Stop pasteurizing your milk too while you're at it

[maiden jacinth]

Nuclear is stable
Solar and wind fluctuate

[dense violet]

?? the states are heavily anti vaxxer and several states are stopping flueride xD

[maiden jacinth]

Hydro is banger tho

But messes with wildlife

[tiny ermine]

You do know Fluoride isn't used in Japan, and yet Japan has one of the best dental systems in the entire world?

[sterile blade]

Yes, dams make the biggest bangs when they collapse

[dense violet]

over a national grid it's pretty meaningless

[tiny ermine]

As well America is not anti-vax, most people support vaccines in America...

[maiden jacinth]

Bro this is like
A huge problem

It's known about.

[dense violet]

japan has pretty good health care and flueride is a natural occuring mineral in water, they might have a fair bit jsut happening.

there are places that have to reduce flueride because there's too much in the natural supply

[leaden turret]

this conversation will either end up being #off-topic-general or #rules

[sterile blade]

"Most people" are not in control of health agencies though... 😅

[tiny ermine]

Yes, but in America we inject too much Flouride into the water, resulting in fluoride poisoning, this came out after several studies found out that Children, and Women were getting poisoined by the water supply. Japan uses Nano-Hydroxyapatite instead of fluoride, as Nano-Hydroxyapatite heals the Tooths natural enamel instead of putting a new layer on it

yeah lets move to #off-topic-general so we don't get sniped

[maiden jacinth]

Anyway. Trucks

[rustic otter]

Anyways. Modular Frames

[lucid pagoda]

does the game actually provide enough raw resource to automate ever single item? or do u eventually have to pick and choose what to automate

[rustic otter]

it does

[lucid pagoda]

wow

[rustic otter]

plenty of each actually

[leaden turret]

there's plenty.

assuming you don't want to produce a ridiculous amount of stuff

[rustic otter]

like 2 million plates a minute

[maiden jacinth]

Satisfactory is supposed to be a relaxing factory building game

[rustic otter]

swamp

[lucid pagoda]

im laying out how many machines just producing a neural quantum processor takes (ik its absurdly advances) but it seems like way more than you can provide whilst still automating other stuff

its awesome tho

[maiden jacinth]

Unless you add restrictions n stuff the only limit will be basically nothing

[maiden jacinth]

Way more in what way

[sterile blade]

Much like IRL, it's about what you account into the drawbacks:
why account for the cost of pollution, when it doesn't melt your pioneers' bones? (similarly, IRL: why account for how much it costs to deal with the negative effects of fossil fuels and yadda yadda)

[lucid pagoda]

raw resource, there are quite a few items that take an absurd amount of raw resource, its surprising that you can automate all of them at the same time

[sterile blade]

So long as the Beans are the only ones suffering, everything is good and the kitties and puppies will be saved~

[maiden jacinth]

Coal power has more radioactive waste then nuclear per kwh

[sterile blade]

Disperse it in enough air and it's cool~
(Also, I don't think it safe to assume extra-terrestrial Coal to have the exact same properties as our coal, but whatever xD)

[maiden jacinth]

A single mk3 miner on a pure node overclocked can make 1200/m

[rustic otter]

coal is just fossilized stuff thats been put under a bunch of pressure

[lucid pagoda]

FR? i havnt gotten to T3 yet, damn

i was looin at the 600 coal for a particle accelerator to make diamonds, thought thatd be at least 4 nodes per accelerator

thats wild tho

[rustic otter]

theres alts for better diamond recipes

[maiden jacinth]

Mk3 is default 240 on normal

480 on pure

[leaden ether]

Yeah using the alts liberally can easily half most all resourse needs as well.

[sterile blade]

Well, it does depend on your goal of items/min for your end product...
Eg: if you wanted to make every item in the game, you'd probably be capped at ~20/min of each by resource limits
Conversely, making one item at 0.1/min (whichever it is), shouldn't require to exhaust any of the nodes involved

[rustic otter]

cant wait until i get refineries for the pure alt recipes

[lucid pagoda]

my objective is to have at least one machine at default clock speed for every item

[sterile blade]

Very doable

[rustic otter]

thats incredibly easy, now do that but x20

[sterile blade]

I reckon some items might take more than one full node of something to produce "one machine worth" of them...

[leaden ether]

I used every resource alt I could on my electronics factory, and the resource use was surprisingly low, but it did require 5000 M3/m of water though 😄

[rustic otter]

reinforced iron plates, all the variants of modules

[sterile blade]

They take far less than one node's worth (unless we're considering low-level miners)

Only high-tier items can guzzle that much ore...

[tiny ermine]

I am going to nuke the swamp when I get the chance

[rustic otter]

same

[rustic otter]

as far as early game

[dark copper]

is there any way to balance out sink power usage with a 30 p/m input?

[rustic otter]

sink will always consume the same amount of power no matter what

also how is sink consuming power currently a problem for u?

[dark copper]

when I hook it up, I can consistently see power fluctuations of ~30 MW (it's hard to tell exactly). When I disconnect it my fluctuations go down to within ~4 MW

I'm just hooking up the machine itself to my grid, nothing else is connected

[maiden jacinth]

Put it on a separate power grid

[rustic otter]

so it consuming is fluctuating?

[dark copper]

pretty sure, unless the sink is bugged and connected to other machines with a invisible wire somehow

[rustic otter]

try saving and reloading

[dark copper]

just realised I'm currently doing 15 p/m. Am I causing this? (taken from the wiki)

For the Sink to run constantly there should be no gap of items in the input larger than 1/30 the speed of the belt feeding the Sink.
For a Mk.1 belt, that's a gap of 2 items; the lowest evenly spaced rate that does this is 20 items per minute.

I can get 30 p/m once I unlock smart splitters (soon, I just haven't been bothered to do much caterium)

[rustic otter]

ok, i wouldnt really worry about it atm since it seems like it isnt consuming large amount of power, u are near coal and once that happens u just need 8 gens running on 120 coal/min and then it really shouldnt matter

well how much power do u have atm actually

[dark copper]

I'm perfectly fine on power. Currently I'm only doing 600 MW of coal and some old biomass is helping a bit (~650 MW consumption), but my next job is to do some temporary steel and get 960 p/m of coal for power

it just looks better if comsumption has less fluctuations

[rustic otter]

ik it looks better but unlees power consupmtion is like going from 50 to 125 to 75 to 200 and then back down to 50 u should be good

[reef basin]

That's normal, sink only consumes power when actually sinking

[dark copper]

I was also using the power to see if my rotor/modular frame factory I just built was running properly, so it was a bit weird to see big fluctuations with all green lights

[rustic otter]

i need to get higher tier belts to fix my fluctuations

[maiden jacinth]

underclock stuff and use more belts

[rustic otter]

its going from 130 to 150 in fluctation it isnt bad

also i got a threshold of 800 mw i should be good

[rustic otter]

making 2 modular frames a minute this will late be upgraded

[dark copper]

I'm doing 10 modular frames p/m and 16 rotors p/m. I could've theoretically done more but it would've been a pretty big headache

[rustic otter]

i plan later down the line whenever drones are there i plan on just setting up a factory for all the modular frames so its basically gonna be copy and paste each time but i have to add 1 more step each time until i hit the nitrate hardened one

[boreal musk]

done automating some rifle ammo and ex rebar, now i can explore much safer

[old yarrow]

Are there half ramps? like the half foundation but for ramps

[dense violet]

gotta clip them half way into things to have half ramps

[worn lark]

anyone remeber from top of their head the settings for making a billboard into a mirror ? i know its
emission OFF
Glossy

but what colour exactly ?

[boreal musk]

black

[frail sleet]

Btw, there is some sort of cumulative performance issue when building things. Every time you place a building, there is a slight CPU performance loss and it stays down until you restart the game. I've been able to reproduce many times this past week as just by spamming blueprints for 10 mins i've been able to lose the vast majority of my FPS, make a save file, and then see 3x or 4x FPS upon restarting into the same world and position.

i first noticed it in my first weeks playing, but i built much slower then so it took like 10 hours to be noticable. More playtime narrowed it down to specifically a building issue and it triggers very rapidly and severely with blueprint spam (but i think it's not directly related to blueprint, you just have to build hundreds or thousands of things for it to noticably add up)

[mortal ginkgo]

this happens even by closing and re-opening menu constantly. I think whatever devs using for UI is causing a permanent memory lose but it becomes obvious as you put buildings especially bps.

[scarlet kettle]

im trying out drones for the first time, how do you get fuel to all of them when you have like 30 stations later

[frail sleet]

with a drone

[scarlet kettle]

?

[mortal ginkgo]

above answer is correct. I cant use drones yet but I assume best to fuel them where they all get together to deliver stuff

[copper raft]

why do refineries specifically have a really small range for their smoke particle effects?

#screenshots

[frail sleet]

you move the fuel there with a drone and belt it across

what's the question

@solemn pulsar Press H, hold ctrl and use arrow keys

that's the finest adjustment you get without mods

[dense violet]

if you make sure that a number of drones share the same location, you can just use 1 drone to deliver fuel to that spot

[worthy hatch]

why does the mouse show up when using a controller after i switch windows back and forth

[chilly zinc]

I am curious, is there any possibility of a greater discount in the summer sale than 30% now? I am kinda broke so the more I can save, it's better for me. (I bought it now tho, didn't open it yet)

[frozen ingot]

if you've already bought it...?

it'll probably be 70-90% off at some point in the (relatively distant) future but i wouldn't recommend waiting that long, it's well worth the price at 100%!

[nova sparrow]

is there any way to map F13-F24 keys?

[chilly zinc]

I can refund it since I didn't play it yet. Oh yeah, I am sure it's worth it even at full price but it would be great if there's a better discount on sale @_@

[frozen ingot]

yeah i figured

there's no answer ultimately, it's at the publisher's discretion

[chilly zinc]

But I guess it's fine, I doubt there will be much difference.

[frozen ingot]

30% off is good i think unless you want to wait like 2-3 years maybe?

[chilly zinc]

True

Hold on, why did the discord screen shake when I tried to reply to your message lol. This is new

[frozen ingot]

think about it like this if you're broke right now - enjoy Satisfactory right now, a great game, and don't buy a shitty game in the future. Profit 😛

[chilly zinc]

Ahh, slow mode

[chilly zinc]

True, I get to play it now

[nova sparrow]

also you get to support CSS so they keep putting out great updates

[chilly zinc]

In any case, can't wait to play!

Is there any port forwarding I have to do for multiplayer? Cause my router blocks it

[frozen ingot]

check the wiki

it lists the ports etc

[chilly zinc]

Ah okay

[frozen ingot]

you're in for a good time, solo or multiplayer! 🙂

[unborn fossil]

Did they change the concrete texture in a recent update?
Also does swatch now no longer update everything? (haven't played since U6)

[worn lark]

i changed swatch colours and they instantly changed on machines using that one swatch if thats what u mean

[unborn fossil]

My swatch used to apply to all machines when i changed it but now it affects maybe half and doesn't even work on new buildings sometimes

i think i fixed it though just now but i have to test that first in that case

[worn lark]

idk i edit the nr4 category

[dense violet]

edit what your swatch is applied to

[timid rune]

Almost there with the plutoniun fuel rod chain production >_<

[somber quartz]

what happens when the new updates hits? what happens to our old world?

[timid rune]

Still A LOT more work to do though: #screenshots message

[cosmic junco]

nothing at all

[hard ivy]

whatever changes were made are applied when you load in

[timid rune]

I am so tempted to tear down the Particle Accelerators

and give them their own building

on the flipside decorating that monstrosity of a building (relatively speaking) maybe a fun challenge

[somber quartz]

so if i wanna start a world now, should i play on experimantal or just the normal version

[cosmic junco]

it really doesn't matter

[hard ivy]

wait 3 days for 1.1's full release

[somber quartz]

my friend just bought the game and i wanted to start a world with him

[timid rune]

no massive receipe changes for 1.1 right?

[cosmic junco]

i would suggest experimental for some of the QoL changes for early game, but there is nothing game breaking with 1.1

[hard ivy]

none were announced afaik

[lavish lance]

there is early game QOL in 1.1?

[cosmic junco]

crash site dismantling

[lavish lance]

thats QOL, but how is it early game QOL?

[hard ivy]

cuved belt mode

[cosmic junco]

because it gives resources

[lavish lance]

that wont make much of a dent i think

unless it gives a LOT

[static surge]

forgot about that

finally i can stop revisiting crash sites that i've already looted

[lavish lance]

Its nice

[boreal musk]

dismantling crash site gives you extra materials, which is huge for early game

sometimes dismantling it can give you computer, hmf or circuit board

[latent prawn]

the screws/rips/beams/stators/wire/cable it yields are actually rather welcome to get the ball rolling

before you hit steel, rips always end up being a bit of a bottleneck in my experience

[latent prawn]

all of that is very hit or miss. idk if it is hard coded or rng

[clever pier]

usually only tier 1 or 2 stuff. rods, iron plates, copper items etc. very rarely I've got circuits or computer from dismantling a wreck

as opposed to the items you find lying on the ground which are usually much better

the wrecks with uranium around them usually have the best loot

[sudden flint]

the build gun doesn't let me dismantle the pods usually 🤔

[hard ivy]

you have to take the drive first

[clever pier]

you have to remove the HD first

[sudden flint]

I do

[tall lantern]

it's a 1.1 feature

[sudden flint]

Mine's still on 1.0 for some reason..........

weird...

[tall lantern]

because 1.1 ain't out yet on live

[clever pier]

that would be it

I'm playing on experimental

[sudden flint]

Ohhhhhhh

makes sense

[clever pier]

I could not go back to the old train and blueprint snapping

such a massive improvement

you can set the end direction of trains tracks with the middle mouse buttont now

no more wiggly straights

[sudden flint]

(0 ◡0)
Yep

trains. Love em. Definitely gotten to that point, obviously

hehehehehe.....

[upbeat dirge]

is there any way to check all my alternates in one list

[sudden flint]

wdym?

like use all of them, or know which ones you don't have yet?

[upbeat dirge]

i dont know which alternates i have and i want a list so i can add them all to satisfactory tools

i know i have a few dozen

[sudden flint]

🤔

intersting. Idk how to do that

[hard ivy]

load the save file into SCIM go into research -> alternate recipes

[clever pier]

save yourself pain and build trains with one way loops and stick to the signalling consistently, eg always on the left or always on the right

personally I do left since I'm from a country where they drive on the left

[fresh wharf]

Update out?

[hard ivy]

1.1? no

[clever pier]

nope and no update to the experimental branch today

[maiden island]

not till the 10th

[timber mural]

god please fix the alt tab crash in 1.1

[mortal ginkgo]

I am not crashing when I alt tab

[timber mural]

well i am

[mortal ginkgo]

what I mean is, problem may not be on dev side

this game does a big load if you dont tab back to game, your pc might not handling it

[timber mural]

knew people with way worse setups who don't crash on alt tab

[mortal ginkgo]

that makes a bigger "you problem" I am afraid

[upbeat dirge]

when is the converter unlocked

[hard ivy]

t9

[upbeat dirge]

fuck

i just made an entire train system for reanimated sam for aluminimum just to find out i dont have a converter

[silk trail]

when the train docks and starts unloading, it stops the item flow. and my factory is built on exact output of the belt. anyway to deal with this?

[hard ivy]

an industrial container connected with 2 belts to the platform

on every platform

[timber mural]

there's a mod for that

[hard ivy]

but even with this, you'll never get 2 full bets in/out of a platform

[silk trail]

no solution without mods?

[timber mural]

not that i know of

[silk trail]

thanks

[hard ivy]

a container

[silk trail]

exact output. overtime, the container will drain(If i fill it) and i have to refill manually...

[hard ivy]

a container will continue to output while the platform stops

and then the container will be partially empty so the platform will empty with the full speed of 2 belts, which fills it back up

you still can't get 2 full belts per platform, but you can get way more with a container than without

[reef forge]

time to start on the aluminum plant

[upbeat dirge]

when using water for alumina solution do you need like water resource nodes? or can any water do

[vivid jackal]

quys quick question

[upbeat dirge]

thats what im doign rn too

[hard ivy]

water is water

[vivid jackal]

is there a comand to revive all animals

[upbeat dirge]

idk where to build it

[true juniper]

What did you do? D:

[reef forge]

this is my first time trying to make it i found a really good place for it if you have certain alts

[vivid jackal]

used to pay with remove anoyances

then decided they went anoying

so can i? or use satisfactory tools

[upbeat dirge]

im 95% done with my fuel power plant however i need like 600 more aluminum thinger dingers for mk5 conveyors and might as make the factory

[vivid jackal]

so @true juniper can i?

[true juniper]

I'm not sure tbh, shouldn't creatures respawn automatically if you switch the settings again?

Might just take some time

[upbeat dirge]

whats the to do list button

[vivid jackal]

anyone else know?? plsplsp

[hard ivy]

i'm pretty sure creatures respawn after being killed

unless their spawn point is blocked

that applies to enemies at least

[vivid jackal]

how?

reset settings?

[true juniper]

Just go somewhere else for a while, and they should be back

[true juniper]

Oh, you mean where you change it in the settings?

[mortal ginkgo]

I think he played modded before to stop enemy spawns?

[vivid jackal]

ok wtv thx for the help

[vivid jackal]

yes and want to turn off and play normal

but if theres a mod for it can u let me know

[mortal ginkgo]

now I dunno how that mods work, you can still load a save to SCIM and respawn stuff. but unsure if they would come back again after being killed once

[clever pier]

I finally got portals built and a constant stream of singularity cells

now to make alien power matrix and ficsonium

[mortal ginkgo]

Madman

[left arrow]

Giraffes and birds definitely respawn if there's no foundations in the way. As long as the mods don't somehow remove spawn points (if that's even possible, no idea how Satisfactory is implemented) then just keep playing and they might show up when you're not looking.

[vivid jackal]

how would i load scim and what would i do

[clever pier]

only making them so I can say I've seen all the content in the game. I know they aren't practical

[lone schooner]

hai yall

[clever pier]

portals are practical if expensive..... I mean alien power matrix and ficsonium aren't really worth it I know

[hard ivy]

matrices are worth it, but only if you have like 0.5 TW of raw production

ficsonium is never

[left arrow]

I'm having the opposite "issue", just stumbled on a pack of 10 lizard doggos all standing in one spot of the map x)

[vivid jackal]

speaking of

[lone schooner]

is there any leveling for me to post images/gifs?

[vivid jackal]

how do u tame them

[lone schooner]

animals?

[true juniper]

You mean blessing, surely 😉

[vivid jackal]

lizard ddogo

[left arrow]

taming lizards: ||stand completely still, hold a berry in your hand and while the lizard is looking, drag it out of your inventory, then wait||

[vivid jackal]

k thx

[clever pier]

post them in the screenshot channel and then link to them

[lucid pagoda]

whats the best way to overload a grid so that the manifolds can overflow

[lone schooner]

drop a fruit on the ground

[lone schooner]

link?

[vivid jackal]

thx

[lone schooner]

oh

[left arrow]

But yeah, I think I ran into a "skyrim fox" bug where pathfinding must have made all the lizards in the region stumble into a spot dense with polygons. Image: #screenshots message

[clever pier]

select the image in screenshots, then select "copy link" and paste here if you want us to discuss a screenshot in this channel

[lone schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1380944792862851133/2025061.JPG?ex=6845b88f&is=6844670f&hm=15186f147f4df4f7be5b317a362d3104870eb1cc167ea01e5f280c7feecdd539&

so im kinda new to the game like not that new but still new i got an auto reinforced sheet and an rotor farm, the rotor farm is 1 rotor per minute.

is this good enough?

[frozen ingot]

you're farming rotors? 😆

[lucid pagoda]

doesnt the machine make 4 per min at base clock speed?

[lone schooner]

yeah i guess is it bad or something

[frozen ingot]

hard to say cos it depends on how you play etc but 10/min for most items is a decent goal, like for storage

[lone schooner]

huh

[frozen ingot]

you need a lot of rotors for coal power as well, and other things

[lucid pagoda]

i'd try and get more per min cus you use quite a bit

i need over 150 rn for a coal plant

and the milestones use a lot of rotors

what i do early game, just do at least one machine at base clock for every item you could need

[lone schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1380945707069870315/2025062.JPG?ex=6845b969&is=684467e9&hm=7fe4c45a2608e84266c37a306a601bade698097f3ad665482ae8bd573dab1b8f&
i mean those two make not too good amount of recourses.

[whole zinc]

how do you guys arrange ur items?

[clever pier]

and then of course rotors are half of motors but I'd recommend building a seperate motor factory later and no feeding from your original rotor factory

[lone schooner]

Ahem... Now the button is ready for coal power...

[lone schooner]

theres abutton called "sort"

[clever pier]

watch out for ADA's snarky comments

[cyan garnet]

Smart splitter with output set to overflow

[lone schooner]

MILESTONE REACHED: COAL POWER

[clever pier]

say good bye to bio burners

[lucid pagoda]

wdym? i just crash my grid and then let everything fill up before turning it back on?

[clever pier]

why do you want to crash your grid?

[lucid pagoda]

i also dont have smart splitters and dont get em for a bit

[cyan garnet]

What do you mean “crash your grid”

[lucid pagoda]

when you overload your grid they still accept fuel without burning it

[whole zinc]

oh sorry im like veryyyy early into the game haha

[cyan garnet]

You can unlock smart splitters super early, just need to find some caterium. They are researched in the MAM

[lucid pagoda]

i run a seperate grid, overload it, and let them refill

[lone schooner]

its ok i was confused aswell

[clever pier]

what?

[lucid pagoda]

and then i connect it to main grid

[left arrow]

My advice for the "early" game would be to have factories slowly filling one container of each part.
When you unlock recipes for more complex parts, keep your previous factories running.

[cyan garnet]

You know you can just put machines on standby right?

[lucid pagoda]

yea but when working with 40+ it takes too long

[cyan garnet]

you can also unlock power switches in the MAM

[lucid pagoda]

do power switches still allow them to accept fuel? i assumed they didnt

[cyan garnet]

You’re talking about generators?

[lucid pagoda]

yes

coal generators, im building rn, im using manifolds that i needa overflow

[frozen ingot]

agreed, this is referred to on the wiki as 'independency'

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

highly recommended

[lucid pagoda]

i just crash a small grid and let them fill before reactivating, am i the only one that does this?

[cyan garnet]

I do not understand your strategy at all. So yes you are probably the only one that does this

[lucid pagoda]

interesting

[cyan garnet]

You can hand-load coal into each generator to speed up the manifold warm up

Place a few portable miners on your coal node and gather enough stacks

[left arrow]

It's so easy to think "oh, I have just enough resources to make X" only to run out of parts halfway through rebuilding your factory, and now you aren't generating anything and have no factory.

[lucid pagoda]

i do that aswell

[hard ivy]

you're either not explaining yourself properly or doing something weird because I don't understand either

[clever pier]

yeah like what?

you can hand feed to fill generators to get manifolds started

no need to crash grids

[lucid pagoda]

when disconnected, generators do not accept fuel, i dont want them connected because then they burn fuel

i dont want them burning fuel because the manifolds need to be filled

if the grid crashes, they accept fuel without burning it

i crash a grid that only they are attached to and i reactivate it when they fill

[lucid pagoda]

i used to, i started doing this with turbofuel plants in a previous save and i just stuck to it

[clever pier]

why not just use a switch?

or upgrade the belts to be faster so they fill quicker

[lucid pagoda]

i've never used switches, thats just because i didnt know

[clever pier]

caterium branch tech tree

[lucid pagoda]

im gonna try that

[clever pier]

later when you get faster belts its reallyisn't an issue

[hard ivy]

i guess it's one way to do it? i just let it fill normally. takes longer but I can just go do something else

[vivid jackal]

i loaded up da game and cant i just use force respawn creture comand?

[left arrow]

^ I don't think anybody here at the moment knows any more about this than we've already said.

[hard ivy]

i have no clue if it even exists

doubt it tbh

[left arrow]

I've never had to wait for coal generator manifold to fill up, does it really get worse with other generators?

[lucid pagoda]

at large scales

ill show u the largest ive made (not coal but similar idea)

[leaden ether]

Wait till you get to nuclear 😄 Took my 30 reactor nuke plant at least 12 hours to fill with fuel and I sped that up quite a bit by temp slooping as many of the uranium rod manufacturers as I could. (Honestly, do the reactors REALLY need a 50 rod buffer? That's almost 5 hours of runtime. 5 would have been PLENTY)

[hard ivy]

just turn off the water and they fill as fast as they can

[vivid jackal]

i found it but its prpl color does that mean anything

[lucid pagoda]

look in #design-and-architecture that took 6 hours to fill with the grid shut down

[left arrow]

Ah x)

[frozen ingot]

nuclear power plants would probably be one of only two or three things i would balance instead of use manifolds for

the fuel rods, that is

[hard ivy]

i think the color means what type of comand it is?

[left arrow]

On my furthest save file I got by with just double-digit coal generators ^^

so I haven't even touched fuel processing yet, haha

[lucid pagoda]

how far did u get?

fuel power is fun, turbofuel generators are amazing

[hard ivy]

turbofuel is very meh

a sidegrade to fuel

not even an upgrade

[latent prawn]

is that just with the swamp's oil or did you bring some over from blue crater?

[lucid pagoda]

Depends on the alts doesn’t not?

[lucid pagoda]

It’s all the oil from the beach near the jungle (idk the names of these places)

[left arrow]

Had to double check: had finished all milestones up to tier 6 but was far from done with the space elevator parts.

Since I hadn't even touched fuel or trains x)

[latent prawn]

and you moved it across the map to the swamp?

[lucid pagoda]

Yea, I needed the space, that was only half of what I was capable of, I didn’t wanna have a massive floating power plant

[steady glade]

i brought 3 giant spiders all the way from the red jungle to the western oil fields

im about to crash out

[hard ivy]

yes. none of them make it outright better imo. turbo heavy is actually trash, default is meh, and turbo blend is kinda bad.
at least for making power

[lucid pagoda]

Odd, I’ve always been told that the turbo blend is far better

[latent prawn]

turbo-heavy is useful for bullets, but the per oil AND per sulfur yield sucks

[lucid pagoda]

Unless that’s an older thing or smthn

So would yall recommend just normal fuel for generators

[hard ivy]

that's why I said for power. I only evaluated them per MW

[steady glade]

wait i thought turbo made more energy than compacted coal and fuel separate

[latent prawn]

blend uses less sulfur and zero coal, default uses less oil and more sulfur (and consequentially, coal)

[left arrow]

I gotta say, I got early ||Iron Wire|| and ||Stiched Plates|| alt recipes in my current run and it's a boon.

[steady glade]

is ||iron wire|| that good in the early to mid game?

[hard ivy]

For 20 GW, fuel uses 600 oil, turbo blend uses 450 oil and 300 sulfur, default 270 oil, 480 coal, 480 sulfur and heavy uses 562.5 oil, 600 sulfur and 600 coal

[hard ivy]

yes

[latent prawn]

in phase 5, coal becomes rather limited as a resource and turbo-blend becomes quite compelling to use, especially since rocket fuel and ion fuel kick off compacted coal byproduct that can be used in place of coal in other places

[latent prawn]

its good whenever you need it.

[hard ivy]

blend uses barely any less oil than regular fuel, and adds sulfur and complexity. for power, i don't see a reason to use it over just fuel

default at least saves a lot of oil so there is some reason. the extra sulfur, coal and complexity aren't worth it when you can just get more oil but w/e

[latent prawn]

blend uses more oil

[hard ivy]

less than regular fuel

[cyan garnet]

Diluted (packaged) fuel. 10GW per 300 crude oil, just add water. You get some resin byproduct you can sink or turn into something useful

[steady glade]

default turbo is slightly annoying to bring sulfur to make compacted coal or bring compacted coal directly but it does make more energy than either component

[left arrow]

I like not having to mix copper and iron in the same factory in the early game, so without ||Iron Wire|| I wouldn't even consider using some alt recipes.

[latent prawn]

for 1200 tf, blend uses 900 oil + 600 sulfer, default is 540 oil + 960 coal + 960 sulfur. I wouldn't call those insignificant deltas

[tender crystal]

whoever made the new wet xeno basher sound has to be executed immediatelly

[steady glade]

copper is plentiful enough that you wont really need to ||replace it with iron|| until you make big builds right?

[hard ivy]

iron is more plentiful and you need it for plates anyway.

[fresh sky]

Are we not allowed to post screenshots in here?

[hard ivy]

for stitched plate, it's perfect

and stators and steel rotor

[latent prawn]

well, here's the thing, iron alloy lets you make tons of iron wire with less copper than you'd use, and copper gets pretty tight when you look to mass produce pasta

[steady glade]

go to #screenshots, post there and tell us here

[fresh sky]

ah, thank you

[latent prawn]

iron wire works really nicely with stators & rotors. the numbers for it with iron pipe make a tidy motor plant that can be later upgraded with the import of oscillators

[cyan garnet]

If you need help with something, a thread in #1038092680493801533 is better. You can post screenshots there too

[latent prawn]

for stitched plate, yeah, you can use iron wire if you don't mind messy clock rates and it will save on a lot of resources, but stitched plate for me is an early game recipe that becomes obsolete with adhered plate

[left arrow]

I just think it's nice not having to juggle two or three types of materials early. I'll make a tiny cement factory in one spot, a tiny wire/cable/sheet factory in another, and my big factory uses just iron.

[steady glade]

i dont really like the ||iron alloy|| recipe, sometimes i do use the ||limestone alt|| but i do prefer making big outposts to ||refine pure iron||

[hard ivy]

I use stitched all the way from tier 1 to 9

[steady glade]

i see, i prefer the bolted plate recipe, even if it costs a bit more than then default recipe, i like the tripled speed

[latent prawn]

for iron products, i use whatever is logistically less work. if there's a limestone node that i don't need nearby, basic iron is great, if there's an impure copper node and i can't be bothered to run a trainline for 300/min copper, iron alloy works great

[hard ivy]

both bolted recipes are the absolute worst lmao

expensive for no reason

don't even save space if you count the entire production line

[latent prawn]

at some point, the game starts becoming 'whatever is the least amount of time building train stations' for me, lol

[hard ivy]

only the last step

utterly worthless imo

[latent prawn]

there's one niche case for bolted plate

[left arrow]

Bolted Plates gives you 15 RIP per minute with just 10 constructors and one assembler. Amazing for compact factories.
...if you also have the Cast Screws that is

[leaden ether]

THe bolted items initially use screws which are a training on how to handle high ouput production, because later on or in end game that becomes important. But also later on you get alt recipies that allow you to avoid using screws completely.

[latent prawn]

if you have bolted frame and steeled frame as well, you can make a tidy steel screw into bolted plate & frame and then make some pipe to eat the extra rips to make more frames. you can make a decent number of baby frames that way on one location's resources

[hard ivy]

i think you meant 10 constructors

[latent prawn]

it isn't the highest yield per resource, but it isn't a huge frame factory like you'd get by using steel rod, adhered plate & coated iron plate

[hard ivy]

and 7 smelters

stitched is 3 assemblers, 8 constructors and 5 smelters for 15/min

and 130 instead of 200 iron

plus you can't run bolted at full speed until you have mk3 belts

[left arrow]

Right, not sure how I got my math this wrong.

But I do remember thinking it was very nice not having to use more than one assembler.

[latent prawn]

incidentally, each nuclear pasta takes 1 hmf which takes 8/3rds mod frames. that adds up

[hard ivy]

for an ultracompact blueprint, it might be worth it?

but in general, it's not really

[left arrow]

Mostly because I was very early in the game and had been crafting all my reinforced plates and rotors by hand.

Once you have a full container of them, having to build a factory full of assemblers is no longer an issue ^^

[latent prawn]

early, i usually hunt asap for the stiched plate recipe and plunk down a box factory to stuff my excess wire & plate into with a couple of sloops

[clever pier]

1000 pasta cooked and delivered

(third playthrough)

[latent prawn]

mine is complete, but rather al dente atm

[fresh sky]

I posted a question about oil/fuel production and flow in the questions/help section, if anyone here could share some insights.

[clever pier]

now diverting half the pasta to sink and half to singularity cubes

[latent prawn]

my pasta prod is still from a box factory

that's such a future me problem

[clever pier]

box factory?

not fully automated you mean?

[latent prawn]

machines fed by hand-filled boxes

[clever pier]

ok yeah. I normally do that but because I wanted to use portals this time I fully automated it using drones

its only 1.5 a minute so not hard to do

[latent prawn]

i've got portals going, because the yield on singularity cells is so good when slooped, that's a box factory feeding the portals along with a priority power switch that i can turn off after jumping 🙂

[clever pier]

interesting.... I want to keep the portals open all the time just for roleplaying basically... since the game says bad things happen if the portal drops

[latent prawn]

hah, does it?

[clever pier]

in the portal decription text

[latent prawn]

i've been flipping them on & off quite often

[left arrow]

Well, all this talk sure let my doggos fetch me a lot of endgame items to sink x)

[latent prawn]

oh, iirc, i think that is a joke derived from the film 'the fly'

[clever pier]

yeah but my pionerr doesn't know that

[leaden ether]

Haha, Yeah when I was doing phase 5 I had an embarrassing number of inputs that were just storage containers than I hand filled. Got me to the end of the game, but it is still waiting for future me to redo to be fully automated.

[hard ivy]

turning them off makes them useless imo. they take 30 seconds to turn back on

[clever pier]

right and its not really that hard to produce enough sing cells to keep them open

[latent prawn]

i've done the final delivery once already, except for pasta, i'm automating everything up the chain for a continuos delivery goal

right now i'm in train logistics hell trying to wrangle up the world's quartz supply, lol

[oblique lodge]

help me i have put a nuke on my lizard doggo how do i get it off

pls

[clever pier]

lmao

try quitting to desktop and restarting? maybe placed ammo doesn't get saved?

[hard ivy]

that's my only idea too

[clever pier]

otherwise, well you know the way to get it off

the doggo won't survive however, just tame another one

[hard ivy]

alternatively detonating it while far away? it might explode but not damage anything

but don't quote me on that lol

[clever pier]

nukes dont damage machines anyway

[hard ivy]

i meant the doggo

[clever pier]

use the jetpack or hover pack to get far away then detonate it

I just died by picking up a stack of 50 uranium rods while having run out of iodine filters... don't do that

[hard ivy]

you haven't automated putting them into the depot?

[oblique lodge]

ok somehow the nukes went off and my doggo bleew up

[mortal ginkgo]

dear Lord goodness gracious

🔥

[hard ivy]

rip in pieces

[clever pier]

to shreds you say?

[clever pier]

I am using them for drones and I was attempting to hand feed a new port before the delivery drone arrived

[hard ivy]

i meant the filters

[leaden ether]

I automated a weapons and filter factory some time ago mainly just for fun, I didn't think I'd ever need mad stacks of filters but building the nuke plant I've gone through at least 150 to 200 of them 😄

[clever pier]

drones are ridiculously fast with urod fuel

ah yeah I didn't fully automate iodine filters yet

doing it now 😉

[leaden ether]

There is stil the danger of not watching the stack in your enventory and having it just run out at the worst time of course

[cyan garnet]

It’d be nice if filters and ammo auto resupplied from the depot into your inventory. But alas

[hard ivy]

that's why I always have 2 stacks and when I notice I dropped below 1, i take another one from the dd

[clever pier]

lesson learnt.... lol

[cyan garnet]

RIP

[prime crane]

is there a way to place label signs faster?

and like in a row

[clever pier]

blueprint them?

i did that to make my giant pride flag https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1378725324229050408

[prime crane]

blueprinting will make them stay on top instead of in the build how it should be

[paper wedge]

Hello, anyone ever had a bug where they built a building, and when they log in the next day whenever they middle mouseclick it to copy a part of it, it gives me a random part (like an energy post, or belt mk1) and when trying to place new tiles its struggling to sync to the others (i built it on the grid)

[clever pier]

yeah we should be able to zoop signs IMO

[prime crane]

true

[clever pier]

maybe a mod does that?

[broken thorn]

@noble zodiac #screenshots message what mods are you using

[paper wedge]

#screenshots message

anyone seen this bug, multiplayer unmodded. Foundations of a building not being deletable/copyable etc

[broken thorn]

Is the problem also happening with your friend?

[paper wedge]

let me see he's afk

[broken thorn]

Also you should probably try to restart the game/session

both of you

[hard ivy]

And you're sure you aren't in the wrong mode?

[simple echo]

I wish the scanning time for the discs was shorter
It’s too much time spent to not get the recipe for the heavy encased frames

[steady glade]

or a separate disk analysis machine, better yet, have it as a module in the hub

[eternal delta]

#screenshots message Dose this follow the screenshot rules?

[leaden ether]

Heh yeah scanning drives got REAL old. Especially when you collected like 15 or 20 at one time. Conversely I was surprised at how fast the MAM research was. Maybe put everything at like 3 minutes and allow HD stacking.

[steady glade]

depends if you built that in game

[hard ivy]

scan them as you collect them.

[simple echo]

I literally do this

[eternal delta]

Dose not look like it would and is built in game

[eternal delta]

They sent this in the 4 channels where you can use images

Today

[hard ivy]

idk then scan drives as you do something else

i rarely find the time to be too long

it just happens in the background

[eternal delta]

#streams-and-videos message this one is 100% in the rong channel

[simple echo]

I literally do this
10 minutes is just way too much time for the drives, just cutting the time needed in half would be way better

[sullen gull]

Then probably best to find a mod (unless this was suggested, then I apologize) to do what you would like the game to do. That's one beauty, you can play the game however you please 🙂

[steady glade]

250 tickets for a machine that scans drives faster

[hard ivy]

or just save scum

[sullen gull]

Scum? heh

[hard ivy]

it's still 10 minutes but you can get the exact recipes you want

[simple echo]

Ok, I found the mod that does what I need to, and it also works in Experimental. Thanks!

[leaden turret]

if you gonna cheat, may as well save edit and skip the wait

[sullen gull]

One thing I personally like about the game is it's test of patience.

[mortal ginkgo]

I will bite it and give a hot take: I think the problem with the 10 minute system is, when someone plays the game more than one time to get the recipes they actually know and want, it can get tedious.

Some recipes are EXTREMELY better than what the base recipe is.

[sullen gull]

True, But it also seems that after one, maybe two "normal" play throughs, if someone is still playing, I feel it's due to the 'sandbox' ability and are either doing creative or mods like above at that point.

[hard ivy]

while we're on the topic of hard drives how does it work that we get a choice of a recipes after scanning?

[sullen gull]

How do you mean?

LIke, you think it should just be a single lottery type? Scan a drive and Bam, here's what ya get!

[mortal ginkgo]

Correct. I would say the biggest issue with any sandbox is, if you know what you need to do, the things you need to do becomes faster (you literally become efficient but the game mechanics doesn't)

[simple echo]

Way better than before