satisfactory

[dreamy kestrel]

i am aware it was a joke but its a common misconception

theres plenty of reasons to be opposed to coal power but "we'll run out eventually" isnt really a good one

[obsidian bluff]

Bro didn't have to go with the public execution method 😭

[dreamy kestrel]

anyway i digress sorry

[obsidian bluff]

Means it's been on your mind a while then

[dreamy kestrel]

well its kind of my job lol

[obsidian bluff]

Lmao yeah that makes a lot more sense

I don't understand why people are so afraid of nuclear power

[boreal musk]

ig ppl are still afraid of chernobyl incident

[obsidian bluff]

I honestly believe it's the Simpsons and other cartoon's representation of it

As some Green glowy liquid that kills everything

[hollow vector]

fr

[obsidian bluff]

No, it's a rock, dunk it in water it'll sit for thousands of years

[hollow vector]

OMG LOL
YES

THAT IS SO TRUE

[dreamy kestrel]

acute externalities are a lot more visible than diluted ones

pollution from dirty power sources is a lot more harmful than nuclear but a single nuclear accident gets a lot more bad press (even if its a fairly minor incident)

[hollow vector]

people are just based

"12 people dead in coal power plant fire"
no one cares
"cat meows within 80 miles within a nuclear power plant"
tragic11!11!1

[obsidian bluff]

Facts

[tepid bear]

People are short-sighted. Big nuclear accident is bad right now. Coal usage is bad later.

Same reason why people would rather pay $10/month instead of $100/year for something. It's only $10 right now.

[obsidian bluff]

But idk, I'm all for green energy... if it works

If it's efficiency is lower than it is worth installing then what is the point of it?

[hollow vector]

holy shit dude
thats the perfect way of describing green energy
pods are a perfect example of techbros trying to fix transit
"we will just have energy inefficent pods, but there will be solar pannels ontop that generate 20% of the power!!"

[obsidian bluff]

Ikr

It all depends on efficiency, cause panels need regular maintenance too, same as any device

It also needs to be recycled after about 5-10 years to maintain peak efficiency, and it all adds up over and over and finally you realise that 1 reactor replaces multi-kilometre solar or wind farms

In co2 emissions

[hollow vector]

nothing is truley unreliant on oil

wind turbine needs lubricant for its generator
nuclear requires lubricant for its turbine
solar needs replacing

[obsidian bluff]

Yeah so green energy without nuclear is no more than a scam

[hollow vector]

the thing is
how will we store the power??

[reef basin]

I'm pretty sure there are plant-based lubricant options

[obsidian bluff]

We don't we don't have the tech to properly store energy yet

[cyan moss]

Really struggling to figure out why my load balancer isnt keeping up

I decided to make lanes of 6 coal gens so each needs 90, I have been sending 180 to it by splitting 1 normal mk2 with another normal mk2 so should be 120+60 and not clue why the 12 gens arent being maintained properly

[obsidian bluff]

So same as in satisfactory's geysers, your demand is constant, but your energy variance increases

[reef basin]

why not do 8 gens that need 120, and do one belt without need of load balancer?

[cyan moss]

Mainly because then I need to do water in a funny way

[queen lodge]

does anyone know fi theres aus satisfacroy servers to join?

[reef basin]

eh? it's nice 3 extractors to 8 gens ratio

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[hollow vector]

if only cat mews could fix it..

[dense violet]

it's very simple

[reef basin]

  G  G  G  G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G

[obsidian bluff]

The bigger scam is electric cars

I have a clip which explains it but theoretically, at our current state, electric car total efficiency of power to movement conversion CANNOT exceed 25%, in theory

[dense violet]

solar/wind is significantly cheaper than fossil fuels, which is also significantly cheaper than nuclear.

[cyan moss]

Battery horrible for enviroment you replace like every 10 years? And also the power generated from fossil fuels/coal probably anyways

[hollow vector]

hydrogen wouldve been better ngl
but all the batteries are just child labour
costly batteries which co2 emitted will overcome the gas car running

[cyan moss]

Fine if I get bored tomorrow I'll rebuild entire coal plant. Idk

[reef basin]

which is still better than gas engine cars

[obsidian bluff]

Hydrogen is not great either cause we need to synthesize it in a lab first, we can't exactly just take it from thin air

[hollow vector]

well

[obsidian bluff]

And it's mainly done with electrolysis, so, again, efficiency plummets

[hollow vector]

uhh
this is a terrible stupid idea which will have at most 12% effiency but

cant we perform that on sewage systems?

[cyan moss]

Can use rotation of wheels to help maintain efficiency of hydrogen generation

[obsidian bluff]

Still, wouldn't be much higher than electric cars

We need technology, on that I can agree

We also need MANY MANY more nuclear reactors cause if people were to go electric the power consumption would be ungodly

[hollow vector]

fusion?? perhaps?

fusion is always coming but never arrives

[obsidian bluff]

Fusion is a good step

[cyan moss]

Fusion is like at least 20 years away

I think they maintained one in china for 17 minutes or something

[obsidian bluff]

Ideal way to do this is to make oil more expensive so people stop relying on it as much and let the change come to them NATURALLY rather than forcefully

Through laws or fines

[reef basin]

also not sure where you got the info, but electric cars have like 90% efficiency (when including recaptured energy)

also, #off-topic-general

[obsidian bluff]

Once demand is up, car manufacturers will invent stuff to incentive further purchases same as what happened to ICE cars

[cyan moss]

Canada already had a carbon tax and we offset in 3 years what china produces in a week

[wide cedar]

ohhhhh

[cyan moss]

Does nothing for emissiojs unless everyone does it

[obsidian bluff]

Ah yes data from Elon

[reef basin]

data from researches

[wide cedar]

this explains why @trim vine said im raw dogging the game

[obsidian bluff]

My friend, they do not take into account physics' it seems

[wide cedar]

#screenshots message

[reef basin]

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/01/electric-vehicles-use-half-the-energy-of-gas-powered-vehicles/
https://electroverse.com/community/ev-blogs-and-guides/how-efficient-are-electric-vehicles
etc.

takes 5 seconds to google

[hollow vector]

yea
its a factory game
not a crafting game

[wide cedar]

A mining and crafting game*?*

[obsidian bluff]

They use nuclear energy as the basis for the statistic, which is extremely inaccurate

[reef basin]

no, that's just "conversion of fuel to movement"

[obsidian bluff]

Electric car efficiency is exactly proportional to the energy source it uses, and currently the most popular one is fossil

[reef basin]

efficiency of the car is "% of the energy it has that is converted to movement"

[obsidian bluff]

Yes, that is what I have said

Fuel to movement conversion

[reef basin]

but then it's irrelevant where does the power come from

because you care about already stored energy

[obsidian bluff]

?? It's VERY relevant

How are you supposed to calculate efficiency of a motor without the motor? It's entirely illogical

You Have to take into consideration the method of energy production

There is quite literally no other way to do it

[reef basin]

the car always uses e.g. 85% of energy to move, 15% is lost

whether the original energy was generated from wind, solar, nuclear or coal is irrelevant, because in all those cases the efficiency of the car is the same

yes, different energy methods have different viability or whatever, but the car itself doesn't care where the energy comes from. The MJs aren't different when they come from nuclear or coal

[obsidian bluff]

So you're proposing to calculate efficiency without taking the method of energy production?

And thus ignoring that it is the deciding factor of co2 impact?

I do not agree at all with your logic, do as you might

[reef basin]

I'm saying those are two different things

[hollow vector]

can we all agree that mpge is ass?

litterally only made to make evs look good

[obsidian bluff]

True that

[reef basin]

let's say a car needs 100kJ to move from point A to point B. And the only thing that matters is how many kJs of stored energy the motor needs to generate that movement (aka how much is lost due to e.g. friction and such)

so if it needs 125kJ, then the car's efficiency is 100/125 -> 80%

[obsidian bluff]

"The results show that power plant efficiency has a significant consequence on WTW efficiency. The total WTW efficiency of gasoline ICEV ranges between 11-27 %, diesel ICEV ranges from 25 % to 37 % and CNGV ranges from 12 % to 22 %. The EV fed by a natural gas power plant shows the highest WTW efficiency which ranges from 13 % to 31 %. While the EV supplied by coal-fired and diesel power plants have approximately the same WTW efficiency ranging between 13 % to 27 % and 12 % to 25 %, respectively."

[reef basin]

you're talking about conversion of fuel to power in power plant -> charge in vehicle

but that's efficiency of power plants, not electric cars

[obsidian bluff]

They're multiplicative

I'm just saying there is no incentive atm as until nuclear or renewable are more popular, the real world efficiency or WTW is same or lower than ICE cars

[reef basin]

but you can't say "electric cars are inefficient"

[obsidian bluff]

Right now? In WTW equivalent? They are

[reef basin]

because the cars themseleves are efficient

it's the power plants that aren't

and again #off-topic-general

[obsidian bluff]

And where pray tell do electric cars get power?

[reef basin]

that's not relevant for car efficiency

(and for the same reason you can include the whole gasoline processing into the gasoline powered car's calculations and see how crap that is)

[obsidian bluff]

But we're not talking about car efficiency specifically are we now? We're talking impact and WTW

[hollow vector]

ask the cat that meows 80 miles within a nuclear power plant

[reef basin]

the statement I'm reacting to is "electric cars aren't efficient", which is false

[hollow vector]

why cant people use bikes?

or public transit

[obsidian bluff]

-aren't efficient at mitigating co2 emissions

[hollow vector]

bikes are able to be used anywhere unlike public transit so theres 0 difference

[reef basin]

that's misleading

correct would be "electric cars powered by some sources of power ..."

[obsidian bluff]

Anyways, let's leave this topic, it's spam in this channel atp

[exotic oak]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-doe-eating-deer-eating-popcorn-funny-gif-4621167703268332056

[hollow vector]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fall-epic-embed-fail-fail-funny-gif-21341768

[obsidian bluff]

Embed fail

[exotic oak]

lmao

the double fail

[reef basin]

not fail, just disabled 🤷

[exotic oak]

aw

dangit

[hollow vector]

guh

[exotic oak]

How do i switch what side of the hypertube Juntction i come out of cus even if i hold Right while in the tube i come out the left

[boreal musk]

press E

[hollow vector]

or q

source: i dink

[exotic oak]

ooooooooh

yea

das a bit weird i feel like just holding the direction would make more sense

[true mulch]

Funny that it even tells you the key (unless you have them disabled) yet everyone gets it wrong

Really unintuitive. I hope they'll fix it

[sterile blade]

That can get very complicated when the tube (and thus the camera) moves around a lot

[covert vault]

I'm sorry what? How exactly is a vehicle that by definition, emits no CO2, not efficient at reducing the emission of CO2?

If you're referring to it's power source, that's not a deficit of the vehicle, that's a deficit of the power grid.

[obsidian bluff]

^

Topic's closed man, read the room

[covert vault]

Fine, then answer the question in #off-topic-general

because that statement is more of a reach than Mr Incredible scratching his own ass by reaching around the globe.

[pearl nova]

guys im a bit losted i reached phase 3 but now idk...should i make a factory for all the parts that are not the basic ones like (screws , iron plates and rods) or should i just build everything in each factory? idk if that would cause a problem latter for lack of crude oil nodes or something

[timid rune]

Cooling device alt seems to be a decent alt by trading off nitrogen usage with more complex inputs

[lilac plaza]

i love spagetti

[latent prawn]

the nitrogen savings there are a real boon

[boreal musk]

theres no way you will lack of oil unless you build insanely big

[latent prawn]

btw, the handful of motors you need for cooling device are easily made with iron pipe & iron wire

[pearl nova]

so i should build 1 factory for each more complex part

[boreal musk]

independent factories are easier to manage than centralization

plan from endgoal, how much you want to produce/min, how much resources you need, and find the location you want to build that factory

[wide cedar]

@spiral badger 😭

[crimson jewel]

I remembered to turn my factory back on before going afk for a couple hours, are you proud

I've forgotten every single other time bc a single power pole was unlinked somewhere

[timid rune]

oh yeah I was thinking about uh.... a 60/min turbomotor build and figured I might need to control my N^2 use

[pearl nova]

its my 1st play trought so tbh idk how much i will need

[boreal musk]

build how much you need for now

if u still cant decide, build at least 1-2 machines of said item
for example, 2 manufacturer of hmf

no need to build big on your first playthrough

[pearl nova]

ok thx for helping now i think i kinda now what to do

im using satisfactory calculator so i kinda now what resources i need

[boreal musk]

use tools, better planning than calc

[lilac plaza]

i just started this game where is crude oil at

[boreal musk]

hold and press V with crude oil icon to scan nearest node

[fathom grove]

He probably wont find em

[pearl nova]

im gonna try to build a scalable factory so i can increase the size once i get mk5 conveyor

[south sinew]

mk5 is really nice

super cheap, you can stop worrying about belt cost and just use mk5 everywhere

[rapid wren]

yeah mark 4 can be annoying if you don't let the assembler work for hours to build up a store

[hidden pendant]

fun fact: the regular hypertube junction will by default always suggest the left exit, while the branch junction will always preffer straight.

[crimson jewel]

found a drop pod and every single item around is something I've never seen before, woah

[fathom grove]

• They do look kinda cool, i made a blueprint of them with two lil pillars
  And the curve between them (thanks auto-connect) >>>>>

[jade glade]

how can I rename a vehicle?

[fathom grove]

We can rename a vehicle ?

[simple echo]

Just found out I can double the amount of shards I get from slugs by using somersloops

Now I will actually bother w semi-automating slugs

[shell sluice]

wait what, you mean any time you hand craft power shards you've just foreved wasted potential power shards? 😮

[simple echo]

Guess so

[reef basin]

no, because they are infinite

[shell sluice]

because doggos?

[reef basin]

because T9

[ivory condor]

Thats actually a good use for somersloops early game on, allow you to get a good starting supply of shards until T9

[simple echo]

True
Too bad I figured it out pretty late

[ivory condor]

I don't know how many people know of the sloop tricks with slug power shard crafting

[simple echo]

(On T8 currently)

[ivory condor]

Don't feel bad I'm sure alot of players didnt learn this trick until much later on ingame

[spiral badger]

?

[wide cedar]

The ❔ you reacted

[spiral badger]

You're not real

[wide cedar]

😭 wha

[old yarrow]

Is there a limit to how long drones can be in a holding hover for? will they run out of fuel

[dense violet]

afaik, no

doesn't count towards 'distance'

[old yarrow]

alr thanks

[true blade]

Anyone knows why its just loading when i try to join a friends world?

its just standing satisfactory and a wheel spinning for ages

[reef basin]

don't ask in #screenshots , we can't type there

use #1038092680493801533 🙂

[true blade]

I figured it out. i needed to be friends on epic AND steam :S

[hollow pelican]

random question am i the only one by who the game crashes when i open my inventory

alright it was because of mods

[reef basin]

neither should be needed

[true blade]

Yeah i tought so aswell but i couldent join :S

[cyan moss]

You dont need to be friends lol

You just give them session ID

[hollow hazel]

@proper hound #satisfactory-memes message
Got inspiration from Wonko the Sane, I see? 😄
For context: From the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, there lives a man on Earth who built a house where outside was Inside the Asylum with all the furniture and inside was Outside the Asylum looking like a park.

[spice patio]

<@&370483737957236737> Stream thread wasn't created when the information post about todays stream was made.

[tall ivy]

DL'd a patch today, prep for release?

[green fiber]

read #patch-notes

[spice patio]

If on Stable, no patch, probably Steam precompiled Vulkan shader update.
If on Experimental, wrong channel.

[covert talon]

what technology do you guys think the resource scanner uses

[hollow hazel]

MAGIK snort

[unborn orchid]

AI 👀

[fathom grove]

Server badge when ?

[reef basin]

hopefuly never

[fathom grove]

why ?

[reef basin]

shit feature that just pollutes the space

[rough bolt]

what's the shortcut for taking half of every one type of item?

[green fiber]

Dont think theres a shortcut for only half of everything

[wanton mist]

is there a dimensional depot downloader?

[green fiber]

Nope

Its only for you personally, not a production teleporter.

[wanton mist]

well that sucks

[urban root]

Nah it's better that way. That would cheese important building and logistics constraints.

[green fiber]

And would take away the fun of building logistics

[hollow hazel]

And I just made a discovery. Signs do not make a good substitute for lighting up a place. They do not light a wall if their front is not in view (facing away or not in camera view).

[urban root]

I think they do a better job if lumen is on.

[hollow hazel]

Which option is that? Global Illumination?

[trim vine]

Why are you even farming quartz

Please just restart your game and work on some kind of fundamentals of basic factory building

[urban root]

Yes! That's the one

[hollow hazel]

It was on, I looked at a single-color super-bright sign that was turned towards a wall, and the wall did not light up until I looked into the bright light.

[plain shard]

how many hits does it take to kill an alpha stinger with the xeno zapper? bc ive died like 15 times trying to get my stuff back from this guy

[true mulch]

they have 50 HP and the zapper deals 5 damage

[plain shard]

then this guy should be dead wtf 😭

ive definitely hit this mf over 20 times

[rough bolt]

They have weird health boxes and he might be reloading if it takes you awhile to get there

[plain shard]

takes me about 10-20 seconds to get there

[rough bolt]

Why don't you just rollback your save?

[plain shard]

bc theres coal there that i wanna get :(

[rough bolt]

Well you know where it is

You can just roll it back and try again when you have your equipment

Better than fighting an alpha stinger with a zapper.

Or without one I mean

Either way

[plain shard]

how long does it take a monster to reload

[leaden turret]

3 in-game days, I think?

[plain shard]

then why the hell isnt it dead

ive hit it WAY over 10 times

[leaden turret]

🌈 signs 🌈

[leaden turret]

bean?

[hollow hazel]

Alpha stinger.

[leaden turret]

hit what with? ? 😛

[plain shard]

i only have a xeno zapper :(

[leaden turret]

get you some 🏃‍♀️

or some

[plain shard]

it got stuck in terrain

it is now dead thank GOD

[leaden turret]

this is where you turn around and get yeeted off a cliff by a radioactive hog

[plain shard]

god i hope not

[leaden turret]

🏃‍♀️‍➡️

@open bone <@&370483737957236737> off-brand Pioneer Minigfig merch, scale articulated Pioneer merch, golf in game, or skateboarding in game, which'll come first?

[small owl]

What's the purpose of the extra belt holes on the industrial storage containers, is it just extra slots to put more items in at once? Or does one output slot have priority and you can setup overflow? Am I overthinking this?

[brazen goblet]

hey guys, anyone know a decent way to snap road barriers to ramps without save editing?

[leaden turret]

for stacking them

[brazen goblet]

so you can put way more throughput

essentially double

[leaden turret]

stack them vertically, flipping them back and forth, connect with belts, all of them fill up

but yeah, also that. lets you skip using splitters/mergers in some scenarios whilst also giving you the opportunity to steal/inject production

[white dawn]

Mostly for throughput, also useful for buffering at train stations (since the train station doesn't input/output while the train is loading). When the container is full, it'll evenly divide outgoing material between the two belts, but you can't rely on that when the container is not full (ie: it does not act like a splitter)

[open bone]

Scale Articulated Pioneer is announced, did you know? It's 1:18 scale, in the Big Box Collection

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't recommend doing that though

[white dawn]

When belts can't be saturated out of an ISC, one output will have priority over the other, but which one gets priority is basically randomly decided, and can change every time you load the game. So definitely can't be used as a splitter

(though, again, if the ISC is full -- can saturate both output belts -- then it'll split evenly between them)

[leaden turret]

ah, is articulated? thought it was just standard non-articulated vinyl (kickstarter does not mention it is articulated)

[open bone]

There's a few stop-motion gifs. Arms and head are very articulated.

[leaden turret]

I am going to file this under "marv just had 3 vials of blood drawn on an empty stomach"

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> gonna rephrase this one to "return of content creator highlights with stop-motion Pioneer content" in place of "articulated statue or minifig"

[leaden turret]

👀 I don't remember the on-stream announcement saying the was remote-control 👀

mini-A or usb-c charging?

[open bone]

The one on my desk is Micro USB

And remote controller takes two AAA

[hard ivy]

USB mini-A???

[open bone]

Or, micro?

The cable is included

[leaden turret]

back in my day, usb connectors weren't round 😛

[hard ivy]

do you mean micro-B?

[leaden turret]

https://www.reichelt.de/magazin/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/USB-Typen_klein.jpg which one? 😛

[open bone]

Yes, I have edited my past comment. Nobody will know my prior error.

[trim vine]

He doesnt have a factory, so no sinks, so no QUEPONS to buy signs, and is in phase 4 somehow, all through handcrafting

[leaden turret]

@open bone .... does it have enough juice to yeet itself up a scale quarter pipe?

[open bone]

Using that reference, it's just "Micro USB"

It's super zippy. Extremely easy to do a quarter backflip.

[hard ivy]

micro A and micro B are different

it's just that nobody uses micro A anymore

so mirco B is just micro

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> launch stream gotta have a racing segment

[open bone]

Some people say "Quarter backflip" just means falling backwards, but whenever I do it, I hear the Tony Hawk orchestra hit.

[small owl]

Okay, so it does what I want it to do and I can make an output overflow system that feeds extra stuff into the AWESOME grinder once I get logistics 3

[hollow hazel]

Except when you reload your save another day and all your materials suddenly get sunk.

[leaden turret]

@open bone would remote control truck work in not-lego format, or would the scale be too yikes to have a cart-compatible truck?

(cart-compatible as in made of the same sizes bricks but to-scale with in-game size diff)

[open bone]

Factory Cart Building Block Set is surprisingly large itself - over 8 inches (200mm) tall when you include the siren light.

A scale Truck would be a few feet long

[leaden turret]

so... that's a "we would make one just for CSS but we don't think it's a good idea to sell a several-feet long not-lego set" ? 😅

[white dawn]

Ooh, that merch all looks pretty hot

[leaden turret]

FICSIT does not waste

[open bone]

Thanks 🙂

[white dawn]

Was this just announced today, or did I miss it earlier?

[open bone]

Last week, but we're planning to get the word out a lot more over this month.

[leaden turret]

wait.. 650 pieces? am I just having visual estimation problem or is there secret bricks not in that gif?

[open bone]

As I said, it's bigger and more complex than the first impression

[leaden turret]

also, will the kickstarter pledge system support getting both pad & mat (i.e. one not-in-box as an addon) ?

[open bone]

yes, we've done that with "Your choice of Coffee Cup" in the past couple.

The pad or mat doesn't fit inside the box. They ship along side, so it's easy to switch.

[abstract heron]

is there a video this week or is that next week?

[leaden turret]

1.1 launch is next week so... 🤷‍♂️

[latent prawn]

turbo electric motor is what you want. not only does it remove the nitrogen eating cooling systems, but it also has the lowest overall aluminum cost, requiring bauxite only for the RCU ingredient

[scarlet kettle]

hello, what kind of fuel should i build? turbofuel or rocketfuel?

[brazen goblet]

hey anyone here have experience with the SCIM save editor?

Im trying to rotate something within my blueprint designer

[leaden turret]

yes but also it has it's own discord if nobody here has an answer

oooh... I have not rotated anything in SCIM in quite some time

[brazen goblet]

Im trying to rotate a road barrier so it fits to a ramp

[leaden turret]

(I did some math to align some pillars "perfectly")

[brazen goblet]

because why ramp road barriers dont exist

is beyond me

[leaden turret]

something something context menu something something tada

[brazen goblet]

ahah i found it

[leaden turret]

did I half-remember it correctly? 😅

[brazen goblet]

i just needed to reduced the z axis until the blue print designer disappeared but the roadbarrier was still there

then i can rotate it normally

[leaden turret]

ah, altitude filter of everything else in the way?

[brazen goblet]

im trying to achieve this https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/1750/name/Rotated+window+(horizontal+seam)

but customising it to my roads

because my roads are special...

[brazen goblet]

honestly fuck google, how is arctan of 1/8 5.625 degrees, its 7.125056...

[atomic notch]

Should turn like refineries sideways

Then u just need vertical manifolds. Would be super compact

[trim vine]

rocket

[weak steeple]

I just finished fase 3, i am kinda overwhelmed but, one thing i dont understand is, u build a massive factory of reinforced iron plates, like 50/m for example, how do u distribute it, like if a factory needs 22/m and another needs 28/m how do u distribute it effectively?

[trim vine]

So, for something "simple" like reinforced iron plates, I would recommend building them as an upstream product in the factory you plan to use them.

That being said, you can use Drones, Trains, Tractors, or Trucks, hell even a belt highway, to move them elsewhere

A splitter/balancer system can level it closer to where you would need it in terms of numbers

[trim vine]

How are you doing with Hard Drives/ Alt Recipes?

[weak steeple]

Not good, i have to explore a lot still, what i'm asking is how do u balance the output to distribute it perfectly, or there isnt a way to do that?

[trim vine]

not in 1.0, in 1.1 I have heard of priority splitters and such, but not sure if they can handle rations and such

I tell all "new" players this; the following is your priority list throughtout the whole game

1. Power
2. Aggressive MAM Research
3. Whatever you want

To give you an example; alt recipes allow you to NEVER use a single screw or iron rod again

[weak steeple]

Lmao really?

[trim vine]

Yes

With the exception of Rebar ammo for the rebar gun

and screw for building a few things such as MAM, and some player equipment

[weak steeple]

Thats wild thanks

[trim vine]

but automated stuff, you can get rid of them for the most part

Hard Drives are so important, and most new players beat their head against the wall trying to use baseline recipes

which work, and can be done, but logistically, it can be daunting

[weak steeple]

Yeah i felt that when doing fase 3 components

[trim vine]

Also, one more BIG thing

You do NOT need to select a recipe when the hard drive is done scanning, it moves to the hard drive library and those recipes will not appear again when other hard drives are scanned.

You can also load a hard drive into the MAM and then delete the MAM, and the hard drive keeps scanning

[frail sleet]

For the most part, if you need 22 RIP's for something then you put enough ore to build 22 RIP's there, and do that.

[weak steeple]

Ye i knew that thx

[weak steeple]

Alr thanks

Thanks a lot

[south cliff]

You give them both 25 and once the one that needs only 22 backs up, it'll split the last 3 to the one that needs 28

[atomic notch]

Theres also alts that use more screws than normal

[frail sleet]

cast screw is highly efficient

[atomic notch]

Bolted plates or whatever

[vestal mica]

isn't cast screws the same amount of screws for x amount of iron as the base recipe?

[atomic notch]

Steel screw is the goat for production lines.

[vestal mica]

it's just slightly more convenient. but not really efficient

[hard ivy]

No Screws is the goat

[atomic notch]

This guys afraid of screws

[vestal mica]

steel rods and a billion constructors making base screw recipe is the way

[hard ivy]

no, they're just inconvenient and expensive. I see no reason to bother with them

[frail sleet]

They're both the most efficient ways to make screws, but cast screw does it 1 fewer constructor stage.

Screws are the most resource-efficient way to make some items (the alts to remove screws cost more resources).

Steel screws consume carbon, which is more limited than iron both on the local and whole map scale

[atomic notch]

Cope

[hard ivy]

"Alts to remove screws cost more resources." with exactly one exception (steel rotor), this is incorrect

[vestal mica]

i think by most measures, steel rods is the most resource efficient way to make screws

not cast screws

[scarlet kettle]

how do you manage 2 trains that have to go into the same station?

[trim vine]

you build another station

it will save you the headache

[frail sleet]

It depends on how you weight iron vs coal/etc.

On map scale i basically rate iron and limestone as zero cost because i can't come up with any plan which runs out of them. Using 10 iron to save 1 coal is thus beneficial as it lets you build more stuff before you run out of coal.

[scarlet kettle]

so you have to build a station for each item?

[hard ivy]

depends on the trains. what are they carrying?

[trim vine]

For instance, say you have a "station" where you need to move coal and sulfur elsewhere

Build 2 stations and freight platforms for each good if they are going elsewhere

or to differe locations

[frail sleet]

I guess i got very unlucky comparing the one recipe where it's true then 😄

So rephrase "Alts to remove screws sometimes cost more resources."

[trim vine]

If the sulfur and coal are going to the same place, just build more frieght cars (1 engine for every 3-4 freight cars or so if you have a lot of inclines)

[scarlet kettle]

i want to bring 2 different items to different locations

[trim vine]

then just build 2 stations with frieght platforms

[scarlet kettle]

but theyre so wide idk if i have space

[trim vine]

There is always more space 😛

[west jackal]

I don't use the nas for my desktop, that has its own 6 TB of storage

My laptop is low tho it only has 768GB 😭

Its enough for one satisfactory world, right?

[vestal mica]

Maybe. by that logic you'd pretty much never make steel. it would be all iron pipe into alts that use pipe instead of beams

[frail sleet]

Yeah, exactly. You can build a lot more doing that.

[vestal mica]

what are you saving all your coal for. i probably dont' build big enough

[reef forge]

does anyone have a fix for my blueprints just showing up as a white arrow

[vestal mica]

to encounter running out of coal

[frail sleet]

It's not a problem for just finishing the game, but broadly looking at resource efficiency you can scale much larger if you spend iron and limestone instead of coal, aluminum, SAM etc.

[frail sleet]

Diamonds and stuff

[distant hill]

What precisely is considered a 'mega' factory? I saw a clip where somebody was planning out an area to build 301 mod frames a minute, no idea what they were doing with them. I was looking at doing '10 per' on all of the final elevator products which clocks in at over 10k iron and 15k copper ingots just as a 'baseline' I guess... 🤔

[vestal mica]

how many diamonds are you making?

[hollow vector]

[frail sleet]

When you build as many things as is possible to do with the map resources, a lot

you are eventually forced to stop because some resources no longer exist, but there is still 30,000 iron and limestone sitting there

and that's if you spend zero coal or copper on something that you can do with iron, and use limestone everywhere that it can help at all.

If you're not doing that, other stuff runs out earlier while you have even more spare iron and limestone

It's broadly true locally as well, if you say that you wanna build as much stuff as possible within say 500m of [location], you're much more likely to run out of coal, baux, copper etc rather than iron and limestone

[latent prawn]

diamonds are weird. a casual playthrough doesn't require a lot of them for just completing the elevator parts. when you are looking to continuously produce things that require dark matter crystal, then the amount of diamond you need ramps up to be world-sucking on coal and possibly oil

[steady edge]

noob question in #1379527863610507384 if anyone's free :)

[vestal mica]

interesting. i've just never gotten close to planning something that used all of a single resource on the map. seems like copper or bauxite would be the bottleneck before coal if you really tried to generate max sink points or max phase 5 elevator parts or whatever giant project you are doing. but yeah, i guess if you are truly trying to "beat" the game you have to do pure iron ingots everywhere and use it to make iron wire and iron pipes and put all your coal into uh, turbo diamonds? is that the best diamond recipe if you're truly trying to max?

[peak harness]

I a pioneer

Wanna lick a somersloop

For humanity and for ficsit

I would do it

Tell me number 408th, his deserve thanks

"JERANIMO"

Dies from 3 Terawatt worth of electrical current

[proper hound]

Actually, this is from an old joke:

Engineer made a neat square.
Physicist calculated that circle has best area to circumference ratio and built a round enclosure.
Mathematician set the fence down at random, then walked in and declared himself to be outside.```

[pearl walrus]

Ion gettit

[peak harness]

Aaww

[pearl walrus]

Stupid mathematician contradicts himself😡

[proper hound]

First year of university math should break your mind enough to comprehend it.

[pearl walrus]

Okay, I mean it makes sense that ouzside the fence is the mist area but lthe the mathematicians placement within or outside that area has no imoact on its volume🦧

[pearl walrus]

I just did some set theory from like a pre linear algebra uni course for fun so I would have no idea what youre talking about😭

[jade glade]

is 1.1 coming next week?

[white dawn]

Yes: #announcements message

[reef basin]

yes, but it's not as good as it sounds

[fiery garden]

how dare you

[steady edge]

how's quickwire stator as a recipe? good?

[frozen ingot]

good if you want to make stators without copper and instead with caterium 😛

[steady edge]

makes sense

[tribal elk]

can a given drone port host multiple drones?

that is, drones that each travel the same route

[sturdy mural]

if you want them to travel the EXACT SAME route, you can have only 2 drones
if you want more, you need to have multiple landing pads in 1st spot going onto the 2nd spot

[tribal elk]

ok thanks

[white dawn]

Basically all alt recipes are at least situationally useful, btw -- they're all about giving you choices while building

[tribal elk]

if a drone cant finish unloading (port output is full), does it get halted?

[white dawn]

Folks get hung up on "tier lists" and stuff for recipes, and it's true that some recipes are more generally useful than others, but "good/bad" is rarely (some would say never) a label you can stick on a recipe in isolation

It's also worth noting that it's generally the full recipe chain which needs taking into account, rather than a recipe in isolation

[reef basin]

same as any other recipe - depends how you like it or not

[white dawn]

On its own, maybe a recipe looks kind of bad compared to others, but then you realize that if you combine it with these other two recipes, suddenly the whole production chain really shines, etc. (or the other way around)

[tribal elk]

also, if a drone input is full, but the port has more it wants to load into the drone, does the drone get halted?

i can test those myself, but only later

[white dawn]

Yes, a drone will wait forever while delivering, until its cargo bay (9 stacks) is empty

[steady edge]

I like recipes like cast screws because it's awesome. Another recipe which is awesome is iron wire, but I don't like it because it doesn't make any logical sense since you're turning iron (not a great conduction) into copper, a whole different element. but i'm still gonna use it because it's too good not to.

[white dawn]

While grabbing new cargo and leaving, the drone will just immediately take up to 9 total stacks and then leave right away

[tribal elk]

ok

[white dawn]

So the only "blocking" behavior occurs on delivery, when a drone's attempting to deliver its load

[tribal elk]

that's all i needed to know

thanks

i think i can make phase 5 a drone only operation, then

[white dawn]

(Which is why I generally have "fuel/battery depot" sites not have drones attached; I have remote drone sites have a dedicated fuel/battery-fetcher drone. After a couple of fuel-delivery trips, the fuel-delivery drone will spend nearly all its time waiting at the remote site, leaving the fuel depot open for any other site to use)

[reef basin]

yeah, everyone likes different recipes 🙂

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's easy to go all-in on drones once you've got them

[tribal elk]

might need a dedicated iodine filter factory if i end up with radioactive drones everywhere

die nature!

[white dawn]

If you automate a mere 5/min iodine filters, you can spend literally the rest of the game with radioactive material in your inventory and never take damage (so long as you remember to pull some fresh stacks from your Depot periodically). :)

A filter line is well worth it, IMO

(In practice you could get away with far less than 5/min, for most folks, though time spent doing maintenance on your nuclear setup could put a strain on the supply)

But yeah, radioactive drone sites is one reason why I don't like using nuclear rods for drone fuel

Which is admittedly slightly hypocritical of me, since I'm constantly saying that nuclear waste storage isn't a big deal, but I'll defend it since at least in that scenario you're generally choosing the one location that accumulates rad material. :P

[latent prawn]

qw stator saves on steel but is more costly on caterium & copper. overally that tends to make it less 'good', but if you're dealing with limited pipe production and need a slightly larger yield, it can work pretty well. I'll note for a comparable amount of copper & caterium, default stator with fused wire makes more stators at the cost of pipe

[sturdy mural]

oh my god

i found out about Blueprint BP build mode

[sullen gull]

You're also aware of how to remove a BP as well yeah?

[sturdy mural]

and suddenly the foundation blueprints make sense

[sturdy mural]

yeah ik you can change dismantle mode

[sullen gull]

And, iif you're not already on it (1.1), just wait for BP Autoconnect mode 😏

[sturdy mural]

am i supposed to be able to put like an X merge with the lock feature?

i try to place it but i can't because too close, yet if i press H i can
will it work??

also how the hell do you do rails nicely

[reef basin]

use beams to align to any angle

[sturdy mural]

beams to align??

[pearl walrus]

Someoen said gases are liquids a couple weeks ago is that true?

[sullen gull]

Here is one that gives an idea :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7nbSI7PZHA

More talking about corners on curves, but the principles still apply.

Beams and pillars are a couple of the strongest tools for doing while things with building.

[sturdy mural]

gasses are kinda liquids? they def don't need pumps

[sullen gull]

No. They don't behave the same. Gasses do not require headlift for starters.

[pearl walrus]

Oh i found it, the physical definition of liquids is amsomething wothout a definitve shape but fixed volume

Some flat earther started talking to me about " are gases liquids" so i had to double check

[sullen gull]

And, gasses are compressed when packaged as well .

[sullen gull]

Oh noes.

I had a guy at a plant tell me once "Oh yeah, I'm a flat earther. And whatever the government tells me, I believe the opposite"

But, at least lousiana is making or has made legislation to ban chem trails! ... smh

[pearl walrus]

Ye that line of tomhiught literally kills peopleand ends societies, its a tragedy

[dreamy kestrel]

Presumably what they meant is that gasses are fluids, which is true

[sullen gull]

Fluids technically have three states right?

Solid, liquid, and gaseous?

[pearl walrus]

In physics, a liquid is a state of matter with a definite volume but no fixed shape. It can flow and conform to the shape of its container, unlike a solid, but it doesn't expand to fill the container like a gas.

Oh its both fluids lol

[sullen gull]

Yeah, gas is still considered a fluid.. I was thinking you meant in game 😏

[pearl walrus]

I guess the price of being a german is losing to a flat earther in a debate about states of matter because of the language barrier

[dreamy kestrel]

Well they might have used the wrong term themselves, I don't exactly trust flat Earthers to use scientific jargon completely accurately

[keen sky]

Just want to understand, you dispatch drone from where you want fuel to end up, not from source, right? Or maybe it doesn’t matter and I’m overthinking it

[pearl walrus]

Lol yeah i guess

[white dawn]

Correct! It does matter (given how I construct things, anyway), since the fuel-fetching drone at the remote site will end up spending most of its time docked at the remote site, leaving the fuel depot free for other sites to grab from

Er, I suppose that's slightly misspoken

You could have a drone being sourced from the fuel depot, and it'd still end up spending most of its time parked at the remote site

But since you can only have one drone assigned to a given "home" port, you'd only be able to do that once

But if you have fuel-fetchers whose "home" port is at the remote sites, you can have a bunch of those configured to pull from the same fuel depot port, and it should work fine

(Make sure to have an ISC or two as a fuel/battery "buffer" in front of each port at the depot site, since when you spin up new sites the drone will generally take 3-4 full loads before everything fills up over there)

[sullen gull]

Yeah, it's best to leave port wherever the fuel is coming from empty. and just make an 'extra' port at the other sites to fetch fuel from that one port

[white dawn]

I generally put in 2-3 ports at my fuel depots, and kind of load-balance between 'em, though you could almost certainly get away with just one

[sullen gull]

Oh yeah for sure.

[white dawn]

(ie: the first drone site I build takes from Depot Port 1, the next takes from Depot Port 2, etc, and then I loop back around, etc)

[keen sky]

Ok, I think I might’ve successfully stumbled onto the correct way when laying mine out. I’m currently in mid phase 4 struggling with deciding how to proceed

[sullen gull]

And, as you said earlier, a single drone can only have one destination, but multiple drones can use a 'single' port.

[steady edge]

if you store your rebar ammo in the dimensional depot, can you shoot ammo stored in it while exploring?

[white dawn]

No, have to pull stacks manually

[steady edge]

aw

well, no big deal

[white dawn]

(see also: jetpack fuel, chainsaw fuel)

Yeah, not a big deal. I agree it'd be kind of a nice qol though

[sullen gull]

Can't make iit TOO easy-mode now 😏

[tranquil maple]

that isnt that game-breaking tho

[atomic notch]

Would ruin my pvp worlds

Make a mod for it tho if u really want it

[tribal elk]

imagine having to consume sam to store things in the depot

i actually wouldnt mind that change

[sullen gull]

You shush with that non-sense now lol

[atomic notch]

Make a mod for it tho if u really want it

[dreamy kestrel]

SAM already limits the fun endgame things you can do

not sure i'd want it to be even more limited

[pearl walrus]

But theres mods for releasing limits🤓🤓

[molten light]

i am satisfied by this factory

you could call it...

satisfactory

[pearl walrus]

Guy joins the server and within 24 hours repeats the pun of the games title

[wise junco]

do mk2 pipes maxed out at 600m^3 still act a little funny?

[dense violet]

if you build pipes poorly, yes

[wise junco]

but if built properly?

[dense violet]

then fine

[wise junco]

epic

[dense violet]

to be fair, this has been the case for years

[wise junco]

i'm also sort of surprised to see so many familiar faces still here after my hiatus

[dense violet]

we're all ghosts in the machine

[wise junco]

felt that

are pipes and trains still the things everyone struggles with?>

[dense violet]

as in together or seperate? xD

[wise junco]

HAHA

either

[dense violet]

as long as trains are properly buffered, they work fine

[hard ivy]

everyone? no. a lot of people, yes

[dense violet]

tested buffers #design-and-architecture message

[wise junco]

yep, incorporated some of those before

[dense violet]

ofc all the train throughput issues of solids apply to fluids as well stlil

oh and don't put gas in buffers

[hard ivy]

eh, I just use ISCs

[dense violet]

iscs don't work with fluids 😛

[hard ivy]

they do if you package them

[dense violet]

those are solids 😛

[atomic notch]

I wish there was a fluid factory cart

[leaden turret]

@open bone Factory Cart jelly mold, when?

[tribal elk]

on one hand, i might be too dumb for path signals. on the other hand, not having trains need to care about bidirectional shenanigans is probably a more efficient design overall

[atomic notch]

Yes

All my shit is separate.

[tribal elk]

not on track making economy, but i doubt i was going to avoid spaghetti in any case

[hard ivy]

bi-di rails are only suitable for a single train

[dense violet]

ehhh.. you can make them work with multiple... but why would you

[tribal elk]

imagine if building rails was actually an expense

[hard ivy]

work? yes. work well? no

[dense violet]

you can get them working perfectly. it's jsut annoying and far more work than building multiple rails

[atomic notch]

And its even more work tryna walk someone through it

[hard ivy]

if you understand how signals work, signalling bi-di isn't much more difficult than duplex. bi-di just has terrible throughput with 2+ trains

[frail sleet]

liquids and gasses are fluids

gasses aren't liquids

[tribal elk]

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+gas+a+fluid is this showing an ai result?

i cant tell if some people are seeing ai results and others just raw search results

[hard ivy]

for me, yes

[dense violet]

I'm seeing an ai result. Still need to find to settings to turn that crap off

[leaden turret]

someone on bluesky said swearing at it turns it off

[tribal elk]

abridged ai result is actually a useful feature to me

otherwise ai can go kill itself with its own skynet apocalypse

[hard ivy]

true
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+gas+a+fucking+fluid

[dense violet]

Can't trust it to do full answers, wouldn't trust abridged

[tribal elk]

i dont trust it, don't get me wrong

but weirdly it does get to the point a lot faster than my ass digging through individual results

sometimes i can just ask a question a variety of different ways until i get it to give an answer that seems consistent, which compensates for its occasional jank

the exact way you ask a question is very important

[leaden turret]

trying digging through results with your hands instead of your ass, you may have better results

[dense violet]

some people have very dexterous butt cheeks

[tribal elk]

i'll try to remember that

[leaden turret]

insert reference to questionable content guest filler comic here

[dense violet]

for example I can feed myself with them

[leaden turret]

insert fallout tv show reference here

[tribal elk]

well, if youre matt damon growing potatoes on mars, technically your ass would be feeding you

now there's a production line quota challenge

[dense violet]

Just a metric butt load

[urban root]

This would increase jello sales

[reef basin]

for me it has like... 30% accuracy

maybe I just google weird stuff, but at this point I'm pretty much considering adding it to adblock

[dreamy kestrel]

its probably more useful for people who google frankly obvious things

[hard ivy]

right, I forgot you can do that

im doing it right now

[west jackal]

im a senior in university and the AI never gets my questions right, but to be fair they are advanced engineering questions

i mean who knew that 10 volts across a 1k resistor had 100 amps 😮

[atomic notch]

Yeah they got tired of answering stupid questions so they made a machine do it

[bitter quartz]

Would yall say it is worth automating batteries for drones, or is fuel blgeneralky better

[dense violet]

basically every fuel available for drones can get it from one side of hte map to the other - so really it's whatever is convenient for you

[bitter quartz]

Ah alright

[dense violet]

basic fuel has a very low energy capacity though so if you're running a ton of drones I'd probably aim for something wit ha bit more kick, like turbo fuel

[hard ivy]

faster fuels will get you more throughput but not that much more

[dense violet]

or plutonium rods

[bitter quartz]

With plutonium rods, how much is used by the drones and how .much waste is produced?

[hard ivy]

rods don't produce waste unless burned in a reactor

[bitter quartz]

I did not know thay

How long does it last in drones?

[dense violet]

it's pretty convenient.
and 1 p rod per min is worht about 250 batteries pm

[bitter quartz]

I was thinking of actually automating 250 batteries per min😅

[dense violet]

just make 1 p rod pm! 😄

[bitter quartz]

I might be doing 5

[dense violet]

you can always swap to them later once you've buffered a bunch

[bitter quartz]

As I am going to be making a mega nuclear fa tory and processing the waste into plutonium

[dense violet]

sounds good 🙂

[bitter quartz]

So wait, like with batteries do the rods just get consumed with no repercussions?

[dense violet]

yup

[bitter quartz]

That solves a lot of things I was working about

[dense violet]

you're basically exchanging the points from sinking them for drone fuel. If that's a good trade for you , good

[bitter quartz]

Awesome

Does anyone here have am issue whete settings don't save after exiting the game?

[dense violet]

are you in experimental?

[leaden ether]

in Satisfactory, other than a lack of headlift, the gasses in pipes behave like fluids. For example each pipe segment fills up sequentially from the source rather than the entire pipeline pressurizing all at once.

[dense violet]

ish.
afaik liquids will flow to the point of least full, while gasses try to equalise along the line

small but important difference

I think it's why gasses behave so poorly with buffers

[slate pilot]

Hey wadupp guys, anyone got tips how to get better at making clean build? Like my builds or not that terrible but i see other people make things that are so sick and amazing. Like how to build that good in satisfactory

[dense violet]

#design-and-architecture is a good place to chat about that and get specifics. Easier as yo ucan post pics there.
But that's a bit too generic a question. The generic answer is practice and planning :\

[cyan garnet]

Practice. Planning. Begin with the end in mind

Get out of my head Cobalt

[dense violet]

you're the one that's too slow 😛

[cyan garnet]

Yeah yeah, phone typing always slower

[slate pilot]

Mhm okay okay yeah i expected the answer haha but i get it. Its the most logically answer

[dense violet]

excuses

[dense violet]

Keep pictures for inspiration
look at general design videos on youtube for satisfactory for build tricks that are applicable to many situations
detailed plans including space for logistics

Lots of trial and error
maybe some mods

[slate pilot]

Yeah i mostly like copy complete copy builds from YouTube, but im not sure if thats good cause i think i will never learn

[dense violet]

I've got multiple folders for images. Broken down between types of structure and whether I liked one cool part of a design or the whole general vibe

[dense violet]

for example videos like this have general tips, not full 'build this whole thing' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PttXNOS44o

or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2NA31vrki0&t=44s

[slate pilot]

Yeah the thing is i have many worlds i never completed a world, cause if always start over at some random point. Cause im not satisfied with my worlds but the world im working on now is pretty solid so far

[slate pilot]

Oh thanks i appreciate it

[dense violet]

no stress. there's lots of videos like that around 🙂

[slate pilot]

Oh yeah this guy totalxclipse is an insane builder in this game

The builds he makes are crazy

[slate pilot]

How many hours u have in the game?

[dense violet]

3500ish?

I haven't really played for about 2yrs though.

Like I finished tier 9 when 1.0 came out, but that's just a quick stroll through the tech. Pretty fast

[slate pilot]

Damnn thats many hours

Why dont start a fresh start?

[dense violet]

Oh I've done a few new maps.
I think originally I restarted at tiers 3 5 and 7. And then I started a new game where I tried a bunch of big builds, getting better at design

one of my fuel stations was 270hrs on it's own mind you

[slate pilot]

Thats insane thats almost my playtime

I have 330 hours in the game

[dense violet]

xD well I was learning to build with circles and there was a lot of trial and error

I could probably redo the same station in less than 50 hours now

probably significantly less

[slate pilot]

Yeah okay i get it, im trying to learn too with cirkels and stuff

Its really complicated

[dense violet]

well there's a few methods you can do vanilla that work well.
but if you're doing complex circles you probably need a mod

[slate pilot]

I dont do mods idk it takes away the fun for me. Its cooler if you build sick builds in vanilla

[dense violet]

there's a lot of cool tricks vanilla 🙂

[slate pilot]

Yeah youre right im learning quick so i hope one day i can build beautiful builds

[dense violet]

I couldn't do things like this w/o mods though xD #design-and-architecture message

[zenith pecan]

That is awesome, and I think you have the patience of a saint!

[dense violet]

just too muhc time on my hands.
really need Micro Manage to come back after 1.1 >.>

[zenith pecan]

I'd hate to imagine me building that, then running into the problems of "I suck at pipes and tried to be clever" that plagued my process the world bauxite refinery 🤣

[dense violet]

thankfully all hte piping for it is fairly simple 😄

[zenith pecan]

Mine should have been fairly simple, but I complicated it by overthinking, I tried a cascade feed system that failed spectacularly, it hard locked the whole place in under five minutes, so much for bulletproof, only to replace it with individual, but oops, vertical loops, that also failed, but within half an hour 🤣

[dense violet]

I thought you knew better than that 😛

[jovial lark]

on a similar note, i see that when people make like really compact builds it usually involves a buncha lifts and splitters and stuff.

i may be too dyson-sphere-pilled and this may not actually matter but would adding those lifts and splitters n stuff meaningfully impact performance across a large number of machines? or does having less belts make up for it

i don’t know if i’m even communicating this well

[zenith pecan]

I'm actually using the refinery as a testbed to find a simple but workable system that will let me process the 12k bauxite, I'll get it, I did build a bulletproof wastewater system though, the alumina pipes, yeah no, that failed.

[dense violet]

I'm not sure if it makes any significan't impact honestly

[dense violet]

how was the alumina pipes the issue?

[zenith pecan]

It almost describes my old weapons factories, they were a tangle of belts lifts and floors.

[zenith pecan]

The cascade feed system that I thought I was being clever with, fed eight refineries, from six, using three pipes that cross connected where I wanted the alumina to flow onwards after filling the refineries (it didn't work)

The second approach involved dividing the place into three to four groups, and using vertical loops to move the solution (loop due to 720 alumina), that failed because gravity.

[dense violet]

whyyyy would you cross connect things

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[sudden flint]

(0) - (0)

I am running on zero sleep

[zenith pecan]

I have two horizontal loops undergoing stress testing, one with, and one without valves, a vertical loop with valves failed, vertical loop with pumps worked, and the testing goes on, I'm aiming for the simplest solution that can take all sorts of flak for all twenty groups of refineries.

[sudden flint]

and I am about ready to spite the entire planet

how do you plan factory layout!?!?

[zenith pecan]

I did say I was trying to be clever and fucked it up in the most epic manner, shown here: https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1379199612908474409 , all I can say is whoops!

Right now, at least before I go back to my bed, I'm leaving experiments running.

[dense violet]

are you sure the vertical loops are working?

[zenith pecan]

Only one vertical loop worked, and that has two pumps on it, the rest shut down quickly.

[dense violet]

I'm slightly dubious about the workign one 😛

[zenith pecan]

The horizontal loops being trialled are of a couple of variations as well, one type with the junctions oriented vertically, directly below the refineries, the other with the junctions horizontally, and being offset, in case there is a difference there.

[zenith pecan]

That vertical loop with the pumps has been going for more than 24h straight, I just don't like the idea of needing pumps.

[dense violet]

are you sure there's no stuttering?

[zenith pecan]

Just looked at the refineries, the alumina buffers empty on cue, and the water buffers also empty, no backups on scrap, I just hate the pumps.

[dense violet]

staaaaare

[zenith pecan]

Uh oh, one of my horizxontal loop systems is choking because I stuffed up the bauxite somewhere, the thing is shorting.

I really want to go back to bed, now I have to follow the slow bauxite belt halfway accross the map.

Found the problem a mk4 conveyor lift 🤦‍♂️

Now that's fixed and the compromised experiment has been reset, I'm heading to bed, have a good one 👋

[dark linden]

https://www.roblox.com/share?code=b7514898e7dc7145a3a9f35970becf77&type=Server

[gusty vortex]

How "bad" is having a lot of resources backed up? I have a bunch of items just lying in machines because I removed everything so I could make way for Motor production but I feel like I'm doing something wrong

[west jackal]

what is the best steel alt?

[steel sluice]

Not bad at all. All resources are infinite, capped only at the items/min. Just make what you need.
Through most of the game you will need previous items to make the next ones though.

[west jackal]

ik thats subjective, but i mean best ratio of input to output

[gusty vortex]

Yeah I figured. I just want to make a certain amount of motors per minute but just having spare items backed up while my entire factory has machines filled with max capacity on certain machines is scaring me

[steel sluice]

They will all be there when you need them :)

[gusty vortex]

I know if I eventually got to the final product and then just waited for a bit if I had a certain item not meeting production demands It'd eventually peter out but idk lol

I also just... don't know how to build around terrain in this game

[steel sluice]

A lot can be said about this but essentially it doesn't matter. Put a floor down (if you want) and then another higher floor (if you want). Or just build on grass (if you want)

[steel sluice]

Eventually you may have throughput issues or yellow lights on machines if a middle product isn't being made fast enough to satisfy end demands, but again it probably won't stop production completely. You'll diagnose the problem and fix it if it happens. No stress!

[gusty vortex]

Oh there's an indicator for that? Huh

[steel sluice]

Red, yellow and green ☺️

[west jackal]

golly sam vein is gorgeous now

[gusty vortex]

I presume it's "Not producing, Not enough, and producing normally"?

[steel sluice]

Yellow means there is "idle" time

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Indicator_Light

[reef basin]

depends on what ratio are you talking about

the recipes use different ingredients

[west jackal]

well currently im limited on coal as iron is plentiful

[steady violet]

Despite being a company that exclusively delivers packages, FedEx is shockingly bad at it

my soundtrack has now been delayed a 3rd time

[gusty vortex]

Oh also I'm using Satisfactory Tools to map out my production, if I need an amount of buildings that are a decimal number, would I be able to use multiple of those buildings and just underclock one of them?

[steel sluice]

Yep, or overclock if you have the power shards available.

[gusty vortex]

Right right

[steel sluice]

You can't put down 0.75 constructors, but you can put one down and underclock it to 75%

[gusty vortex]

I'm just trying to map this all out. I need 50 motors but I'm unsure of a good "x per minute" for them.

When I'm throwing that into Satisfactory Tools what should I consider?

[reef basin]

pick some small number, most items are only needed in very small amounts over time

you can always build more if you'll keep running out

[gusty vortex]

Yeah I went with 5 per min for them

[steel sluice]

My advice is to work backwards. Put down 1 assembler and see how many it makes per minute and use that.

[reef basin]

then coke steel would be best for you, as that doesn't use any coal

[west jackal]

well, unless you need them fast, i like to just max out a node

[gusty vortex]

Riiiight. There's also just my concern with getting everything organized, especially with how Assemblers aren't perfectly symmetrical with other constructors

[west jackal]

so i set it to maximize and then limit the input to 120/240 etc

[west jackal]

coke requires HOR doesnt it? Im still t3/4

[steel sluice]

Yes, it does take a bit of planning if you want it to look orderly. It can help to figure out if you want to use logistics floors or leave additional spacing for the belts you will need too.

[dense violet]

also subjective

[dense violet]

only if you care about it

[reef basin]

I mean you can just look at the recipes yourselves and see which one you like

[steel sluice]

Most of the time you won't ever have access to the "best" way to make something until several tiers later.

[gusty vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/adachi-true-persona-persona4-smt-gif-27700163

[reef basin]

well, there's no "best" anyway 😛

[west jackal]

well there are some alts that are objectively bad, arent there?

[reef basin]

no

[steel sluice]

Hence " ".

[gusty vortex]

Riiight. I just like knowing where things are.

[steel sluice]

No

[west jackal]

bolted iron plate?

it uses more resources

[dense violet]

and is so compact and fast

[reef basin]

but less time

[west jackal]

oh, i see

[dense violet]

it's amazing.

steel screw
bolted plate
bolted frame

[dense violet]

besides different situations making a difference to how good a recipe is for you, it also depends on what other recipes you combo it with

[reef basin]

every recipe has a tradeoff

sure, there will be "bad" recipes for your specific case, but that doesn't mean others won't find use for the recipe for their cases/preferences

[west jackal]

you make a good point, i guess i just took a min/max approach to resource management

[steel sluice]

Right now, given lots of iron, limited coal and t3 you might want to try solid steel ingots.

[west jackal]

okay! 😄

i was trying to get slooping ability but i need like 3 more circuit boards, so i either wait or go and loot more crash sites

[steel sluice]

But there's no bad way, and different places will have different resources so you can always put your steel factory somewhere else.

[reef basin]

even then it's subjective a lot - some people would prefer saving one resource over another, while others will ignore some resource costs alltogether or will value all resources the same

and it's rare that a person would value resources the same throughout the whole playthrough, as value of resources usually changes based on what you're making and what resources you have nearby

[west jackal]

without trains or an explorer yet, i need stuff close because its a pita to run more than like 1km

[steel sluice]

Pffft

[west jackal]

i found some pure coal 😎

also what is the point of the water vents? is it just to supply water when its not nearby

[steel sluice]

It's for water, once you can use it 😎

[west jackal]

is it better than normal extractors?

[reef basin]

it gives you water 🤷

[latent prawn]

they are placed in locations where water is scarce and you may wish some in the late game. overall, i think the extractors on water are more trouble than they're worth

[west jackal]

alright, i feel like the gas ones are kinda a pain to begin with so i didnt understand why i wouldnt just bring items to the water extractor

[latent prawn]

i mean the frackers for water, that was a lil ambiguous, sorry

what's sort of painful about them is each node makes a different amount and they're all clocked centrally, so you end up needing to play games to get the exact amount you need

[wary bough]

is this the place for general help when my factory decides to stop fuckin working

[latent prawn]

the one in east dune forest is convenient for bauxite, but metering out the water in a useful way usually requires me to set up a packaging loop

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533

[wary bough]

thank you

[reef basin]

here is also fine, but doesn't allow for screenshot, so anything other than a simple problem is usually better to solve in a thread in #1038092680493801533

[cyan garnet]

If you look on the map where water wells are found you will see that they are helpful for making alt recipe usage possible for nearby nodes

For example, there’s a cave in the western dune desert with two quartz nodes and a water well right outside. I just tapped this to make 1000 quartz crystal/min using the pure recipe that requires water. Allows me to ship the crystal by train instead of the raw quartz to be processed elsewhere

[wary bough]

the simple version would be is there a max amount of coal generators that you can effectively attach to one pipe?

[reef basin]

yes, but also depending on what you call "one pipe", the answer could be "infinity"

[wary bough]

like i have one pipe running down the center and six generators on each side, but the generators at the end dont get enough water before it consumers what it has

[reef basin]

how much do the gens need in total, how much are you making, how much can that pipe move?

[west jackal]

if you put water extractors on both ends you can do 8 on one pipe pretty easy

i can send you a ss of my coal gen (its better to have two pipes, though if you can find mcGalleon he can explain better)

[wary bough]

so would it be more effective to create an entirely new pipe line connected to the back or to connect a secondary extractor to the main pipe line?

[west jackal]

wait

second extractor?

one water extractor can handle less than 3 gens, the ratio is 3 extractors per 8 coal gens

[wary bough]

would it be easyer if i sent a screenshot on another page?

[reef basin]

see this is why I suggested #1038092680493801533 , it's getting longer and now it would be nice to have a screenshot 🙂

[wary bough]

yea i now see the need for screenshots, im moving over there, thanks

[compact spire]

I’ve decided to start a new game but unlike pretty much all my previous playthroughs of the game I’ve decided to not use anything like the satisfactory calculator or satisfactory map. Factories will be planned entirely by me including me doing the math for it, but that sounds quite daunting. Any tips on planning factories without any external tools outside of note keeping apps?

[wary bough]

you guys take notes?

thats sounds so smart, i just hope shit works

[compact spire]

I did when I first started playing before I used external tools like satisfactory calculator

But the most complicated thing I ever did back then was motors

[wary bough]

THERES A CALCULATOR

[west jackal]

yes

[compact spire]

Look up satisfactory calculator have fun

[west jackal]

i recommend the one that greeny made/upkeeps it is soooooo much better than the other

its satisfactorytools.com

i mean they both work, but i think his is much more user friendly

[cyan garnet]

The calculator on SCIM is not very good, it can’t do some recipe chains and doesn’t optimize plans based on resource scarcity

The interactive map/save editor is great tho

[compact spire]

any tips?

[cyan garnet]

Also reminder there’s a calculator built into the game. Press N for Nalculator

[west jackal]

in addition to bones, the calculator greeny makes is much better 😉

i forgot the game had a calculator, i just do shi in my head

[cyan garnet]

I use a notepad, or for more complex projects a Google sheet

[compact spire]

I’m planning on using a notepad app and desmos calculator for math I can’t do in my head.

[steel sluice]

Tbh you can always just plug stuff in and guess. Mostly it will still work, just probably slower if it's starved

You can also do fractions and math inside the machines to work out percentages more cleanly

[wary bough]

thats honestly what ive been doing and its gotten me to advanced steel production so if it works dont fix it

[steel sluice]

It's just meant to be a funny little silly game, so I play it like one

[crimson jewel]

ok so I have uranium, I have brute forced mining some with my hands and quickly uploading it whilst healing the entire time, when am I meant to have it?? (currently at phase 4 in the hub)

[floral jolt]

hey how close should i make my space elevator to my factory

[reef basin]

doesn't matter, you can move it anyway

(also, get in the mindset of having more than one factory)

[floral jolt]

i mean i kind of have multiple sperate parts to my factory

[steel sluice]

You'll get PPE that helps you survive, that's a good indicator 🤐

[crimson jewel]

awesome, glad to know I should stop trying to get more :3
I only ate about 50 nuts + all my berries and bacon

[floral jolt]

HOW DO I MAKE SMART PLAYE

PLATE

[reef basin]

1. turn off capslock
2. open codex
3. find out how it is made

[floral jolt]

oh my fault

[soft marsh]

I have satisfactory paralysis. Took a long break and came back to discover I don’t really care for my previous building style anymore but also don’t really know how to change it. Spent most of my game time today just visiting all my old sites to see the builds.

[cyan garnet]

You could always start a fresh save, especially if your existing game was pre-1.0

[soft marsh]

Was thinking about it tbh

[west jackal]

you got to advanced steel production on biofuel???

[west jackal]

tis what i did

[upper mirage]

This game is multiplayer?! anyone want to start a world with me?

[cyan garnet]

#1201555265942724758

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[wary bough]

no i just had like 4-6 coal generators i just recently got to the point where i needed more and i found problems

[west jackal]

oh, i rush to 1 GW (16 gens with 2 on seperate network to power the plant) so i dont have to worry about power for a little. Once I finish my steel factory im going to go build another 32 coal gens lol

[wary bough]

what point do you get like multiple floors for a factory?

[zenith pecan]

That is entirely up to you really.

[west jackal]

man i dont have enough concrete to build factory floors

and tbh, i dont do multiple floors even when I do. I had a huge nuclear setup (clean) and it was all one floor, albeit very spread out

[wary bough]

do you just stack foundations till you get good height

[west jackal]

for the second layer in the factory?

I base it off the tallest machine on that floor, but yes i generally would stack foundations

[boreal musk]

@wary bough i saw your coal setup, are all the gens at 100% clock? bcs if it is, one pipe isnt enough water for all the gens

mk1 pipe can only send 300/min while you are forcing more than 300/min

[wary bough]

yea i havent added any power cells to the generators

[boreal musk]

you need 2nd pipe

or connect it to the other end of the pipe

!wikisearch CG

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[wary bough]

at this point i think imma just move the power generating portion of my factory cause at the moment, the distance i have to travel t get from my extractors to my generators is insane

im gonna build at the lake i post in screenshots cause of space and coal accessability

[west jackal]

isnt* and i told him that already\

[west jackal]

smart idea, plus once you setup you very rarely travel to your generators anyways

[boreal musk]

insert the minor spelling mistake gif here

[west jackal]

im sorry, i wasnt trying to be grammar police, i was just pointing out that it completely changed your meaning.

[boreal musk]

yeah idk why i type enough twice either 😭

[reef basin]

* isn't

[west jackal]

anyways, looking bad at my old save makes me feel bad because i remember spending tens of hours on a certain build and it looks so small on the map

like all of the infrastructure to cleanly support 15 nuclear reactors (sinking plut)

[wary bough]

is there a mass create like the same way there is a mass dismantle?

[west jackal]

its called zooping

[reef basin]

blueprints

[west jackal]

or blueprints

[peak wasp]

all different worlds have same area size ?

[reef basin]

there's only one world

[wary bough]

oh right, blueprints

[peak wasp]

you know what i had in mind, but you need to play how smart are you

[cunning ingot]

is coal even useful for energy past fuel?

i'm curious

[peak wasp]

where there's a viewers, social theathre follows

[dense violet]

I mean it's reasonable to keep using coal even to tier 7

[cunning ingot]

what's tier 7 again

[dense violet]

blenders

[cunning ingot]

ah right

i just used one pure node of oil to make 20gw it seems easier

coal was infuriating

oil is simple i love oil

[reef basin]

I... don't know what you had in mind. You asked about size of different "worlds", but given they are all on the same map, they all have the same size?

[peak wasp]

if you dont know, why you answer ?

[dense violet]

if you had trouble with coal I'd worry your fuel is stuttering. coal is very very easy

[cunning ingot]

it was annoying to bring coal to generators

[reef basin]

I just told you that there's only one map/world. I do not know what you mean by your message that you sent after my reply

[dense violet]

there is only one map, one world, the areas are starting zones you can travel to from anwywhere else

[dense violet]

oh that's why you find coal next to water. More coal nodes are next to water than not

[cunning ingot]

i started in desert and built it off the right coast

there were i think 1 pure pretty far 2 impure and one normal

[dense violet]

oh were you dragging it back to your base? cause yeah that is a hassle

[cunning ingot]

yeah

i started expanding past aluminium i didn't know when to stsrt cuz desert lowk got everything

[peak wasp]

okay, now i get you.

@reef basin peace 🙏

its possible to mod ( alter) map geometry with UE?

[reef basin]

probably? that's a question better suited for modding discord though

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[peak wasp]

okay doki

[vernal patrol]

baux is brutal. full stop.

[dense violet]

how so?

[shy ether]

sup guys. does anyone have any curve bps? 😄 im going crazy trying to make my own

[dense violet]

there's youtube vids on how to make them. But they are too restrictive imo

[vernal patrol]

was gonna send an image of my plan, but i cant...

[dense violet]

literally every other channel in the server can have images 😛

[shy ether]

yeah ive made one so far and it took me too long to be viable...my biran to smoov

[vernal patrol]

bwa

[dense violet]

like #screenshots

[dense violet]

check out the vids, you'll find a number

[vernal patrol]

jsut sent an image of it there

[dense violet]

oh modeler, yeah I have no idea what you're doing

[shy ether]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

#screenshots message

[vernal patrol]

ill send a SCIM link for a similar one

[dense violet]

awful to read.

but aluminium is easy. Almost every bauxite node is next to coal or oil, and as long as you keep the water split between waste and fresh it's easy

[vernal patrol]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_AluminumIngot_C"%3A"180"%2C"Desc_AluminumPlate_C"%3A"510"%2C"Desc_AluminumCasing_C"%3A"225"%2C"Desc_Fabric_C"%3A"80"%2C"Desc_AluminumPlateReinforced_C"%3A"30"%2C"Desc_GasTank_C"%3A"60"%2C"input"%3A{"Desc_OreBauxite_C"%3A"1200"}%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_PureAluminumIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_AlcladCasing_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PolyesterFabric_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_ElectroAluminumScrap_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_HeavyOilResidue_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_SloppyAlumina_C"]}

[dense violet]

move the ingots where they'll be used as they don't exist near copper for hte most part

[vernal patrol]

im planning on building it in the south west of the rocky desert

so the copper isnt too far

[dense violet]

yeah not a bad spot. but it's sall there. the worst of it is the by product water and thats easy enough if you want it to be 🙂

[vernal patrol]

im building it like, directly east of the pure copper

[vernal patrol]

sall?

[dense violet]

all

[vernal patrol]

ahhh

yea, im jsut like struggling with my theming yk

like part of me wants to build a cyberpnk sorta think

another wants to build big circular tower..

[dense violet]

circle tower off to the side with some cyber off to the side?

[vernal patrol]

if i can get myself to make a good blueprint for the actual like cirlce part ill do the tower if i get lazy do the cyber ig

[vernal patrol]

might make the CSS cyber

-# yea i know that i dont need a central storge system because of dimensional storage but i like analog

-# and big train station cool

[dense violet]

I mean, central storages were pretty pointless before dim depots 😛 do it cause it's fun

[vernal patrol]

i jsut dont wanna wander around to get my stuff lol

[obtuse shale]

What is the expectation that the game will be released for console?

[prisma thicket]

Somtime this year.

That's their next big focus once 1.1 is out akaik

[obtuse shale]

I'm playing the beta with the Xbox Series joystick, very good and easy, plug and play

Is there any difference between the beta version and the current one?

[prisma thicket]

That I don't know about, but I have to imagine they aim to have the console release be as similar an experience as possible to the PC version of the game, there would be a pretty big backlash if the differences were too large.

[cyan moss]

Plenty of games that xbox specifically has rights to but games are updates behind

[static finch]

my fingers are full if bbq dorito dust and im trying to fix my coal power plant. this is difficult

[modern vale]

mmm gimme some

[static finch]

power? or doritos?

[prisma thicket]

What's up with your power plant?

[static finch]

the water isnt getting to the generators fast enough even though the water pumps are outputting enough

[prisma thicket]

Have you doubled up your pipes?

[static finch]

what do you mean? like 2 pumps going into 1 generator?

[prisma thicket]

No, 3 water extractors at 100% clock speed produce 360 water per minute, but mk.1 pipes can only handle 300, so you need a second pipe to handle the rest. Usually you want one pipe feeding from each end of your manifold.

[static finch]

ahhhhh ok. i didnt take that into account.

thats definately the problem, thanks!

[prisma thicket]

Glad to help

[south cliff]

By beta do you mean experimental? One major difference is the controller support you're currently using
Experimental will very soon release as stable

[half kiln]

Why i cant nudge like this #screenshots message

[dense violet]

they are using beams for placement, not nudging

[static finch]

#screenshots message no foundations, close to perfect lmao

[half kiln]

But between 5 and 6 photo he is nudging

[prisma thicket]

He attached a pillar to the end of the beam, zooped up one more, then deleted the pillar at the end, no nudging required.

[static finch]

#screenshots message you not sending the parts to the space elevator is bugging me 😂

[modern vale]

guys can anyone help with a build I'm doing? I think the design looks good but it gets dark at night and I have no idea how lighting works in this game

[static finch]

if lighting is your problem, try increasing your brightness and gamma

[prisma thicket]

For lighting you can use either actual lights which tend to be kind of clunky and awkward, or you can use display signs, remove the text from it, change the colour to what you want and increase the brightness.

[prime crane]

Are you sure

[static finch]

pretty sure, i threw a trashbag into space....

[prime crane]

Sea salt I need you sea salt!

I see you had an pretty interesting day

[static finch]

have u read the comics? that scene is sooooooo much better in the comics

[prime crane]

The comics aren't for sale in my country

I could order them but eh

[static finch]

that sucks. the scene where conquest fights eve is epic in the comics, theres so much more detail.

[prime crane]

I bet there is. Incredible is very high quality production

Shit

Autocorrector

Invincible*

If he's invincible how can I see him💔

[peak wasp]

signals shoudn't not cost whole computer.

[dense violet]

yeah, they should be made of rocks and sticks

[prime crane]

And duct tape

Please do not forget that

[peak wasp]

circuit board is enough for signals

[dense violet]

nah, neural computers only

[peak wasp]

quantum computers

[dense violet]

and 15 oscilators

[boreal musk]

everything should require screws*

[green fiber]

AI expansion server for Smart Splitters

[green fiber]

Satisfactory Plus:

[prime crane]

Honestly. It's also weird how glass foundation does not require sillicia but walls do

[green fiber]

Revolutionary see-through steel technology

[peak wasp]

its simple mistake.

[prime crane]

Splitting steel to atom level making it see-through

[peak wasp]

they trying to find god by splitting, hoping he's hidding there.

[boreal musk]

need quantum screws in t9

[reef basin]

people need to stop mindlessly hating screws

[balmy pecan]

I, my key for leaving the buggy doesn't work, how I leave it ?