satisfactory

[mortal ginkgo]

Middle ground where you dont wanna use trains but dont want to make a long belt either.

While a main train line is easy to setup, there are places a train still cant go as they are CHUNGUS.

[dense violet]

and over short distances 1 truck can service multiple stations on both ends and move a MASSIVE amount of parts per min

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah when I first used them "oh it gonna take a while to load a truck I guess" and it was like full in 8 seconds or so.

I was like "yeah I ain't making long belts yo"

[dense violet]

truck loading is very fast

multiple stacks per second iirc

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah I saw the loading animation and thought "oh maybe thats just 1 stack per animation, cool". Then I saw that its just a silly animation 😄

[inland prism]

so what do you guys do re sorting? I like the idea of using a truck to supply my train stations, but how does the 1 truck per station work? I'd like my truck to deliver lots of different parts but doesn't that fallover unless you sink loads of stuff ?

[dense violet]

depends on your situation of course. 1 per item could work fine. If you're doing low parts per min of a lot of things a sorter at the end is very simple

station -> smart splitters -> individual item buffers + over flow

[last jungle]

I JUST FINISHED THE SMART PLATING FOR PHASE 2 OF SPELEVATOR LETS GOOOO

[dense violet]

as for 'sinking a bunch of stuff' sure you have to sink a bunch of stuff. But if you stop the flow at any point along the production line you stop production right? and that just means no items get made instead of items getting made and sunk

at least with sunk you get points

and you might be able to simplify your logistics with fewer vehicles

[cursive crane]

lol, welcome to the post tutorial

[last jungle]

im trying my best here ok

[dense violet]

congrats, you've finished the pre tutorial 🙂 gl with the tutorial

[last jungle]

this feels like aggresive kindness

[dense violet]

nah, the tiers are just a really well designed tutorial to get your skills up

[cursive crane]

once you hit plastic the game begins, once you finish nuclear you hit the early-mid game

[last jungle]

how

[cursive crane]

You'll see soon as you start building coal gens from tier 3
am i on the wrong wiki?
how dare

[last jungle]

i have 4 coal gens

[dense violet]

depends how you plan on playing the game. If you treat this liek a sand box the nyou really get the options of doing your own projects after tier 9.

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you are missing some context.

In Factory Games, when someone finishes something really hard, we say "congrats on finishing the tutorial!"

What they mean is "You did good, enjoy the harder parts now buddy!"

This is also used when someone finishes the game and when expanding the factory is the goal, telling them the tutorial is finished aka expand the factory as much as you can.

They are actually saying "good job!"

[last jungle]

dw thats an unforeseen consequence of my playstyle that is equal of bringing fists to war

[swift kernel]

In factory games, there's always someone who is better than you, and we all accept that

[last jungle]

fists as ur primary way of killing/hurting

so then theres technically infinite people which theres not

[cursive crane]

Kinda sorta,

its more playing off the fact that most people burn out soon as they hit tier 5, so until you get there you haven't really started the main CHUNK of gameplay the game has to throw at you

telling him hes still in the tutorial is an attempt at warning a new player that the worst is yet to come

[mortal ginkgo]

HOLY BASED DOGGO, brought me 9 turbo motors

[dense violet]

noooo? the tiers are just a really well scaffoled series of steps to give you experience with all the tools in the game to make your own stuff xD

[swift kernel]

And we enjoy humbling each other while laughing at our hobby that will never end

[dense violet]

it's one of best laid out structures to learn a game I've seen

good pacing, feeds you bits at a time to help stop being overwhelmed. Just very well done

[swift kernel]

Tbh, that's most campaigns

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree. I am impressed how Coal is not "lol put some pipes" buddy but actually wants you to do something efficient.

Game really needs to talk more about how pipes work but I think devs dont know either

[dense violet]

a lot of campaigns aren't done very well

[last jungle]

dude i wish the door wall could be movable

like to the players cursor and the door will be there

[cursive crane]

I absolutely love seeing how new players do the first 3 tiers.
Some start out right away running all over the world, some start out tryna get conveyors and stuff going, and some just hand feed all their machines for 20-30 hours. its hilarious

[dense violet]

piping is a little bit like redstone in minecraft. Something you definitely need to dig into to push to the limits.

[last jungle]

im 1 and 2 lol

[mortal ginkgo]

I would say as a 2k hour gametime with Dyson Sphere Program, it is the MOST offending game about telling you what to do but almost providing nothing about why and how

[dense violet]

keep manifolds very short though and don't need much

[swift kernel]

Some people rely on handcrafting for way too long and it's baffling

[sullen gull]

I mean, some still don't know you can just press the spacebar once...

[swift kernel]

Oof. See, at least Minecraft gets out of your way with that

[last jungle]

also my dumb ass is like "how the fuck do i do this without breaking my golden rule of "dont spoil too much to yourself""

[dense violet]

ask some basic questions in here when you hit a wall?

[cursive crane]

tbf up to smart plates/HMF its actually a good way to get the elevator going. I usually semi speedrun the first 3/4 tiers with mostly hand crafting and some machines running in the background, that way I can get the space and buildings i need and not waste so much time later tearing things down

[swift kernel]

Some people don't know you can auto grab foliage and I feel sorry for their hands

[last jungle]

autograb?

no im used to spamming stuff this is fine

[sullen gull]

Hold e when you grab your first leaf...

[mortal ginkgo]

the worst part is where people dont know they can auto-manual craft. Poor sods.

[last jungle]

ok

[sullen gull]

it will autograb as you run around

[cursive crane]

Additionally Tap space in crafter, absolute godsend for quick bathroom runs/breaks
grab a bunch of materials and tap and run

[last jungle]

also how the hell are mk3 belts cheaper for me than mk2

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I mentioned that one earlier too lol.

[mortal ginkgo]

You guys going bathroom and stop playing? Wow. Rather bold move.

[dense violet]

because some people feel that the fewer steps to make them is 'cheaper'

[last jungle]

prob cuz i dont have them automated/used too much

[sullen gull]

And Mk5 are 'somehow' cheaper than mk4? lol

[cursive crane]

my space age supercomputer I need to run this game on ultra settings require it not be mobile unfortunately

[swift kernel]

Do you keep a jar or wear a diaper?

[mortal ginkgo]

I trained my body to not create liquid stuff when I am playing factory games so I never need to go toilet.

Git gud issue smh.

[mortal ginkgo]

#satisfactory message

[sullen gull]

You don't have one of those chairs with the hole?

[last jungle]

i dont mean cheaper as in less steps i mean as in how much i have

[swift kernel]

That's called dehydration and you'll die. Which is very unproductive, smh

[mortal ginkgo]

I trained my body to become immune to dehydration too. My body knows that factory must grow.

[last jungle]

ficsit reccomends you to take a sip of ficsit bottled water

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont see that anywere 😔

[swift kernel]

Are you just a brain in a jar hooked up to a mouse input and keyboard?

[cursive crane]

The materials you need to make them, once you start making them, are used in far less right away, so its easy to stock up on steel stuff early on.
Just make sure to keep automating down that steel line or you'll regret it with ||industrial beams||

[sullen gull]

Pssh, or in your case, look immaculate 🤣

[mortal ginkgo]

You will never know.

[swift kernel]

At least drink your in-game coffee

[last jungle]

video call

[mortal ginkgo]

Bro that costs ticket. Thats inefficient.

[swift kernel]

On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

[mortal ginkgo]

[last jungle]

dog

[cursive crane]

ficsit demands blood, and my blood demands coffee, and coffee demands tickets

[mortal ginkgo]

your ficsit is borked

[last jungle]

ficsit demands tickets

[spark ruin]

-go

[sullen gull]

Consume....

[last jungle]

somersloop ass message

[cursive crane]

So question

Since you are sinking resources (assumedly to ficsit) and you are receiving tickets in exchange, when you spend the tickets, are you not just giving ficsit back their own tickets?
100% income tax fr

[last jungle]

fr lol

[last jungle]

#screenshots what i just put

evildoggo 😭😭

[last jungle]

i like how we just went completely silent after this lol

[mortal ginkgo]

[last jungle]

[clever pier]

company scrip was a real thing, where people would live in company towns, get paid in company scrip instead of money and in remote areas the only stores were run by the company and accepted the scrip.... you also paid your rent with it

[last jungle]

waht

[clever pier]

dig sixteen tons and waddaya get..... another day older and deeper in debt

[mortal ginkgo]

ultra late (and possibly end) of capitalism

which is an idea companies would love to have

I think closest we have to it is where people live close to their workplace in company made houses

[clever pier]

made illegal in 1938. read the company scrip article on wikipedia for details

[cursive crane]

its a thing still actually lol

[last jungle]

oh so thats basically forcing u to work there with little to no way out

[clever pier]

maybe in developing countries but its illegal in most western countries ?

[swift kernel]

I always always thought it was weird that they didn't just use the space elevator for the sink

[last jungle]

im standing on the doorframe of a door wall

how is that possible

[swift kernel]

You have strong leg muscles and a great sense of balance

[last jungle]

in satisfactory obviously

if i even tried to do that irl my body would prob feel like getting hit by stun rebar

which i assume is painful

[mortal ginkgo]

You guys are fortunate that devs did not take inspiration on me for "Ladder Climbing Speed".

Lets just say, you would have enough time to appreciate the textures on ladder as you go up and down.

[last jungle]

e

drone parts

[junior laurel]

And let's not forget the upper body strength required to use the zipline

[last jungle]

if this game was accurate to the player i prob wouldnt have even found a power slug

[last jungle]

to the real life user (player)

[junior laurel]

Only gymbros can play this game

[last jungle]

tiem to qiut gaem

also is there anything negative to upgrading conveyors (aside from building costs)

[clever pier]

nope... since conveyors don't use any power

[last jungle]

ok

holy shit how am i out of steel beams

this is unexpected

[clever pier]

maybe your suit has a function where it locks your arms so it takes the weight

[junior laurel]

My most common thing to be out of rn ngl

[clever pier]

coke steel is your friend

[last jungle]

????

[clever pier]

much more steel ingots per minute than the default recipe

[junior laurel]

I have blueprints that takes 1560 steel beams. .. sooo

[swift kernel]

I use solid steel ingots myself

[last jungle]

im working on phase 2 spelevator and i assume that needs petroleum coke

[junior laurel]

I can't see any room for such a function within the suit

[last jungle]

which i do not have cuz it needs oil refining or smth

[swift kernel]

I'm no longer out of steel beams. Instead I run out of encased industrial beans

[clever pier]

nanotech imagine the arms harden so its supporting your weight

[junior laurel]

I hightly doubt that

[clever pier]

we do have flexible materials that can go hard when given a charge

in real life

i mean otherwise you'd have arms like a gorilla to support yourself for so long on zip lines

although it does seem like mirage has lower gravity than earth by quite a lot

[last jungle]

massage*

[clever pier]

yeah ok

[frail sleet]

🤯

[junior laurel]

MASSAGE-2(A-B)b*

[clever pier]

google electro shapable materials, its a real thing

[last jungle]

i remember ada saying something about the name of the planet but i cant find it in my inbox

[frail sleet]

I think that went over your head 😄

[clever pier]

lol ok never mind

i am not applying any charges down there

[last jungle]

is there a way to move dismantle crates

[sturdy mural]

Oh?

[sullen gull]

Not without a save editor, no

[sturdy mural]

Just pick it up

[last jungle]

w move

[lavish lance]

inconvenient

[sturdy mural]

If you need to move it

[clever pier]

i usually just throw away excess in dismantle crates unless its really valuable stuff

[last jungle]

dismantle crates are when u dont have enough space in ur inventory so it drops it in a crate

[swift kernel]

Hold E when you grab foliage and then press tab. When you press tab again, you'll auto grab foliage so long as you don't press e again

[last jungle]

my inventory is full how am i gonna pick smth up

[clever pier]

do you have dimensional uploaders yet?

[last jungle]

no

[sturdy mural]

You can place a few containers, shove your stuff in it, and pick up the crate (maybe trash very common stuff)

[swift kernel]

Empty your inventory into a personal crate

[last jungle]

im poor in everything

[junior laurel]

Please do not litter as this is a form of waste.
FICSIT does not waste :)

[clever pier]

dimensional uploaders change everything

[last jungle]

but they wasted time on me so they do waste

[sturdy mural]

Inventory one does

[swift kernel]

They wasted your time. Not their time

[sturdy mural]

Technically +5 inventory slots free

[junior laurel]

"It might have been a waste of time to send you"- ADA probably

[last jungle]

how tho

[swift kernel]

They both do

[last jungle]

why am i always missing rotors

[swift kernel]

They sent you to a planet without any training and said good luck

[clever pier]

I have enough spheres now to have one dimensional uploader for every part used for factory construction

[last jungle]

what

[clever pier]

the only things I don't upload are elevator parts

[last jungle]

yea makes sense

[prisma forge]

Damn, I need to gather more mercer spheres. Didn't even get any other upgrade besides the dimensional uploader.

[prisma forge]

I mean you can just grab them from the dimensional inventory

[sturdy mural]

Radio towers will change your life when hunting

[prisma forge]

I have yet to unlock that. Still need to find a good place to produce the crystal oscillator

[clever pier]

there is so many spheres on the east side of the map

and sloops

[sturdy mural]

Plot twist: they did but you got alzheimer and forgot

[sturdy mural]

You can hand craft it ngl

[clever pier]

the "training" is the short animation that plays after you land

[sturdy mural]

I did not touch em until automating pulse nobelisks

[junior laurel]

The correct term you're looking for is amnesia 💀

[prisma forge]

I want to have it automated

[sturdy mural]

That's starting phase 4 i think

[prisma forge]

Also power is a problem rn

[last jungle]

"you may experience memory issues after planetfall" - ada sometime somewhere

[junior laurel]

Clones also don't really retain memories unless implanted with this...
You were not

[sturdy mural]

Fiscsit watching the pioneer they trained for a uear forget everything because a bird flew into the drop pod and made it crash a bit too hard

[sturdy mural]

This?

[junior laurel]

That!

[tribal elk]

#fan-art message this is great

[sturdy mural]

Anyone else calls power slugs Plugs?

[last jungle]

plugs 💀

[junior laurel]

Dear god, no

[last jungle]

i would call them powlugs at best

[tribal elk]

those fatass walkers wander into the works so often they might as well be tangling up on power lines

[unkempt blade]

no sorry they're sluggos

[sturdy mural]

Purple plug my beloved

[junior laurel]

FICISIT HR requests you never say that again

[unkempt blade]

that would be a purpluggo sluggo in latin

[last jungle]

FICS this ShIT

[sturdy mural]

I'm efficient even at checking what's acceptable at Ficsit

[junior laurel]

At this rate you're being efficient at bring promoted to civilian

[sturdy mural]

Too bad i'm still Saving The Day™️

[last jungle]

do i only need 2 assemblers to automate automated wiring?

[sturdy mural]

You technically need just one

Amount depends on how much you esnt to make
Unless thats not ehat you mean

[last jungle]

cuz i got 2

idk where to use stators so i just automated those

[jaunty jewel]

stators are "fun"

[last jungle]

bro how am i out of steel beams

[hard ivy]

they don't. like everything in this game, according to you

[jaunty jewel]

this guy gets it

[mortal ginkgo]

I CANT GOD DAMN BELIEVE MY DOGGO BROUGHT ME 27 IRON PLATES... LIKE BRO... I actually needed that come to think of it.

Thanks Doggo.

[reef basin]

there's no point in setting up anything with that attitude

[mortal ginkgo]

he is trolling at the lowest degree possible, just ignore it mate

[last jungle]

yes, ficsit does not waste

[jaunty jewel]

not sure if you were there when this guy was complaining last time but hes had the "this game is just buggy and bad" attitude for well over 2 weeks at this point

[reef basin]

hence why "with that attitude"

[last jungle]

why am i out of steel beams so much

[reef basin]

because you didn't automate enough

[last jungle]

i have 2 constructors making steel beams 24/7 (i hope) and its not enough

[hard ivy]

I have like 6

[jaunty jewel]

youll use a lot placing conveyor belts

and youll need quite a few for automation of other parts

[last jungle]

yea i used like 400 changing to mk3

im prob out cuz of versatile framewrok

good thing i only need like 250 more

wait can hard drives give recipes that u cant make yet, e.g. using steel when u dont have steel unlocked yet?

[clever pier]

no

they unlock according to what tier you are at

[last jungle]

ok

[hard ivy]

almost all recipes are locked behind some milestone. so you generally can't unlock it if you can't make it. but some have a wrong milestone listed and you unlock them earlier. like wet concrete, which you unlock when you unlock water (coal) even though you can't use it until you have refineries (oil)

[last jungle]

cool

[solid mason]

dont know if anyone knows how to answer, but why do i get like 60 more FPS on FSR frame generation on than DLSS 4 while i have an nvidia 30 series card

[hard ivy]

because 30 series doesn't support frame gen iirc

40 supports single frame, 50 MFG

30 only gets upscaling

[solid mason]

shoulnt i still get better fps on DLSS | I got more on amd FSR without frame gen aswell

[hard ivy]

then idk

maybe fsr defaults to a lower screen percentage

or it's just faster but lower quality

[solid mason]

still pretty cool that with one click i can get such massive boost

[hard ivy]

I tried AMD frame gen in CP2077 and it looked awful tbh

haven't tried it in SF but I doubt it'd look much better

[solid mason]

i cant really tell the difference between DLSS and FSR, maybe dlss is more sharpened

oh wait i actually see it, distance stuff looks wierder

[spark ruin]

FSR 3.1 might be a bit faster than DLSS transfromer

[hard ivy]

frame gen mostly has issues with high contranst edges on moving objects

[spark ruin]

BC the upscaling algo is lighter

[lavish lance]

i have not yet seen frame gen that DOESNT look awfull

[zenith pecan]

Man I thought the channel had gone quiet, bloody discord was scrolled up by several hours 🤦‍♂️

[spark ruin]

same goes for FSR FG
FSR FG usually gives more fps than DLSS FG
but it looks worse on objects without motion vectors (or inacurate MV's)

[lavish lance]

i kinda dislike upscaling and frame gen.
I like them as options to those that have either lower specs or want very high framerates.

what i hate is when devs start including upscaling in recomended specs.
meaning you HAVE to use it for the game to run somewhat well

[spark ruin]

FSR 3.1 really strugles with fine detail
like power lines

[solid mason]

i mean i used to play on lowest settings and struggeled to get 60 so i cant tell much difference

[lavish lance]

games should be expected to run natively on current hardware at reasonable framerates with no stutter

[spark ruin]

i used to play on lowest settings 720p strugling to get 20fps

[zenith pecan]

Eek, was you playing on a machine as bad as my girlfriends alleged laptop?

[hard ivy]

I used to play on 15-25 FPS. With a 3080

[lavish lance]

how did that happen

[spark ruin]

[spark ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-squarepants-dreams-magic-gif-12725683

[spark ruin]

how ?

and, what game
Ark's remaster ?

[zenith pecan]

How the blazes was a 3080 getting 15-20 ..

[hard ivy]

no, satisfactory

[spark ruin]

4K native with lumen ON when update 8 first came out ?

[hard ivy]

no, a 8000 machine world in U6 (above 10000 if we count power storage lol0

[zenith pecan]

I'm using a 3090 (basically a 3080 with twice the vram) and I didn't get it that low.

[lavish lance]

is it a lategame save?

maybe your cpu is just getting completely crushed

[spark ruin]

OH
so it had nothing to do with that 3080

[zenith pecan]

And my game was a pc ending apocalypse back them.

[west jackal]

Did they change node purity with 1.0?

[lavish lance]

i think some nodes got changed

[spark ruin]

some nodes were changed

[lavish lance]

some nodes got changed

[zenith pecan]

A couple, one I know for sure is a normal uranium was replaced with two impure.

[west jackal]

I feel like im struggling with iron .ore than I used to

[hard ivy]

and nothing to do with my CPU either. U8 boosted that save to 45-60 FPS lol

[lavish lance]

iron should be plently though

1.0 was a net increase of resources

[west jackal]

Its feels more spread out

[spark ruin]

what
Really ?

[lavish lance]

so it was pre 1.0

[zenith pecan]

Definitely, one of the chief causes was the mk6 belt allowing pures to be fully exploited, and those are plentiful as heck.

[hard ivy]

during U6 I went from a 3800X to a 5800X3D and nothing changed

then U7/U8 dropped and I suddenly had more than double FPS

[spark ruin]

i thought everyone used to rant about U8 making the game run so much worse

[zenith pecan]

I don't have much of an amd reference, my brother had a 3600 but never reached the late game until he upped to a 7950x, which I tanked down to 3fps with an experiment in my old early access save.

[spark ruin]

though
i only had 20fps in U7 (720p min settings) so IDK...

[west jackal]

All 3 of the computers I play sat on are amd

[zenith pecan]

If anything, while U8 caused me some issues (I played experimental, go figure) I saw a performance uplift with it.

My machine is intel though.

[spark ruin]

shouldnt matter

[west jackal]

Old pc was 3700x new is 9800x3d and laptop I game on a lot is 7800u or something

I only have performance issues when it autosavss

[zenith pecan]

Tbh, with with all the problems and epic disappointment with intel, when it's time for me to rebuild, my next cpu will likely be an amd.

[spark ruin]

fun fact : i've never used a non full AMD PC in my entire life

[west jackal]

When I first picked an amd It was cheaper for better performance, then after that Intel was in the pooper

[mortal ginkgo]

I have 7800x3D 8 core Ryzen AMD, works flawlessly with factory games. I can literally yolo.

[spark ruin]

(yes, even before RYZEN came out)

[mortal ginkgo]

[west jackal]

My first pc I built was full amd, but I had a bad experience with the rx5700 (gpu) so I switched to Nvidia bc I could afford it at the time

[zenith pecan]

My old worlds autosaves, hah, now there is a performance "hitch" 🤣 , it actually took (no exaggeration) two minutes eleven seconds in update 8, down from nearly four minutes in update 7.

[west jackal]

Holy smokes batman

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats nothing. DSP game autosaves could take 5-10 minutes in ultra late game. Devs fixed it tho'

But it was rather an acceptable fact to get a drink etc.

[spark ruin]

the first PC i built with a dedicated GPU was in 2023 IIRC
i havent had any driver issues since then

[hard ivy]

yeah, I used to have my autosave set to once every hour lol

[west jackal]

Mine was like 2018 ish?

The drivers for that gpu were horrendous, though amd cards are much better now, I bought a 4080s for Ray tracing mainly

Though it can't ray trace over like 45 fps at 4k

[zenith pecan]

Loading well, hah #screenshots message , yeah that is not a screenshot, it is a video of me loading my old game back in the day 😜 🥶

[west jackal]

Geez, some of that is a bad storage tho right?

Mine never got that bad

[hard ivy]

save files are on the order of MB

the drive was never the issue

[zenith pecan]

Nope, its a pci express 4.0 4Tb nvme ...

[west jackal]

-oh

[spark ruin]

how big was that save ?

(MB wise)

[zenith pecan]

About 44mb, crazy thing is it needed about 47gb of ram to even load it before the in-use dropped to closer to 39.

[west jackal]

why is epic lying about how many hours i have on satisfactory?

[spark ruin]

44MB?????

[west jackal]

i have a save with like 800h but epic says i only have 460h in total

[hard ivy]

damn, my biggest file is half that

[spark ruin]

cuz its the EG launcher
it just cant help itself from being trash : ) (JK)

[zenith pecan]

Keep in mind, I had a 1km by 1.1km backup power station that put out 133Gw, and other monster facilities swallowing biomes.

[west jackal]

i agree it sucks, but i have a lot of free games and then satisfactory on it

[reef basin]

how is it lying?

[lavish lance]

EG is such a mystery to me.
why do they keep giving out free games instead of making their launcher not suck

[spark ruin]

damn, my biggest file is half that
damn, my biggest file a quater* of that

[west jackal]

there was a new update, i havent installed it but i was told its better

[zenith pecan]

My current save, by comparison is only 14mb.

[reef basin]

the launcher is fine tho?

[mortal ginkgo]

old unreal dev here, basically Epic Launcher was only meant to launch Unreal Engine.

it wasn't even properly designed to have a marketplace, now they also have game systems etc.

you can see where it all went so wrong but eh, Tim ain't the brightest guy.

[lavish lance]

lacks almost all features i would want lol.
the things it does, work.
but its the thigns that it doesnt do in the first place.

[lavish lance]

but they are pushing it as a storefront for years now.
How can it still be so bad

[reef basin]

has all the features I want from a launcher 🤷

• launch game

[lavish lance]

yeah no i need more.
Just look at steam.

[mortal ginkgo]

because it was always meh, even before Marketplace arrived.

[reef basin]

steam is pile of unneeded things where there's some good stuff in between

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree that Steam can be so cluttered and too much stuff in your face, but at least its light

[lavish lance]

no one needs discord, yet we are still here.
just its nice to have the option

[atomic notch]

Steam is like the golden trash bag of game launchers

[spark ruin]

it loads slower on my current PC than it took my old terrible laptop (the one i used to play at 720p 20fps) to load satisfactory

[lavish lance]

have they managed to do an actual review system by now?

[reef basin]

I've done some benchmarking and on my pc steam eats more resources than epic does 🤷

[spark ruin]

thus i F-ing hate it

[spark ruin]

thats not what i meant

[reef basin]

ah, so you're talking about epic store, not epic launcher?

[lavish lance]

yes?

[reef basin]

because original message was about launcher

so I was talking about that

[lavish lance]

you want to differentiate the steam store and the steam launcher aswell, even when they are both in the same app?

[spark ruin]

arent they the exact same app ??

[mortal ginkgo]

brotherman they are both the same thing 😛

[lavish lance]

no but aktschually...

[mortal ginkgo]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[reef basin]

launcher is the app you run on your PC that launches things
store is the web app that you access through a browser (and yes, the launcher has built-in browser view that shows the web-based store)

[mortal ginkgo]

ok listen-

like, okay- listen-

I mean, ok wait, listen-

[spark ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/one-job-you-had-one-job-loki-fail-gif-21911643

[mortal ginkgo]

Nevermind, I will go back to making factory.

[lavish lance]

its an entire experience.
you buy games then launch them

no point to seperate the two

[reef basin]

yeah that's not what I want 🤷

I want separate store and separate launcher (or ideally no launcher at all)

[atomic notch]

No launcher goes hard

[mortal ginkgo]

MY DOGGO BROUGHT ME A SLUG

[spark ruin]

R.I.P.

[lavish lance]

then use GOG, they are way better than Epic

[mortal ginkgo]

GOOD DOGGO BEST DOGGA ALPHA MALE DOGGO

[static surge]

I've gotten two from mine

[spark ruin]

JJEEEZZZZZ

[atomic notch]

Got a lizard doggo sweatshop.

[mortal ginkgo]

ITS A YELLOW ONE

WE ARE SLEEPING ON TOP OF DEM POWER BOIS TONIGHT

[spark ruin]

OMG BRO WAATTT THHHAAAA HEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLL

[reef basin]

I'm using them though?

[spark ruin]

IS THIS LEGIT ???!!!!

[static surge]

along with two slugs (yellow and blue) mine has given me like 26 Turbo Motors (free sink points) a bunch of computers, and a NUCLEAR BOMB

[spark ruin]

[static surge]

bro that's only 2 shards (4 if you know the strats)

[mortal ginkgo]

You are really not fun at parties are you.

Like, none of them. Zero. Nein.

[spark ruin]

lol

[static surge]

quite the contrary

why did that sound so british lmao

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah I am going to paste big D O U B T on that

[static surge]

bru ur not gonna get girls if you keep being so un-nonchalant...
screaming over power slugs from doggos

[mortal ginkgo]

I rather not get girls, a bit too old for them

[static surge]

then why are you screaming over a power slug from doggo

if you're old

[spark ruin]

i enjoy reading this far too much

[mortal ginkgo]

using caps lock is now screaming? go outside lil bro

[spark ruin]

[static surge]

I have 80 satisfactory hours since Feburary and I haven't played anything else....

I've sufficiently gone outside

[mortal ginkgo]

lol what are those numbers? pump them up before even daring to speak to me

[spark ruin]

nuh uh

[mortal ginkgo]

why do we have casuals in this discord

someone @ mods

[static surge]

because i like grass

[mortal ginkgo]

I think grass thinks otherwise

[static surge]

dont you have like a million hours

[spark ruin]

i actually really like sniffi-
wait, what 😎

[static surge]

it cant think it's a plant

[zenith pecan]

Smoking it eh 😛

[lavish lance]

i didnt play since december.
been waiting on 1.1

[static surge]

are you talking about a different kind of grass?

[static surge]

how did you quit it's too powerful

[mortal ginkgo]

I couldnt resist anymore and went experimental. Infinite nudge and vertical version is too hard to pass.

[spark ruin]

💯

[lavish lance]

got fed up with connecting 100+ nuclear reactors

[spark ruin]

[static surge]

then just don't connect 100+ nuclear reactors 🧠

[spark ruin]

ye- uhh IDK, am i ?

[zenith pecan]

The reactors are the easy bit, hundreds or worse, thousands of refineries and their mismatched numbers!

[spark ruin]

[lavish lance]

everything else is already set up

exept ficsonium, because that stuff sadly sucks completely and is not useable.

and very sadly not enough people agreeing on that

[zenith pecan]

My plumbing under my bauxite refinery could cause nightmares!

[static surge]

same under my main factory for building materials the underside is horriffic

[zenith pecan]

Looks nice and tidy, but it was a first class bitch to lay out.

[lavish lance]

mine is cursed, but after a lot of trial and error it works at close to 100%. slightly overbuilt that part

[hard ivy]

Idk how the devs thought this cost was acceptable

[lavish lance]

no idea.
i commented on the post for a rebalance on the QA site, but nothing came of it.

[zenith pecan]

Here it is #screenshots message , this place will produce 12300 ingots when running.

[mortal ginkgo]

fisconium fuel rod is not meant to be a power source, it is a sink that finally stabilizes reactor power

[lavish lance]

as far as i got it, its suposed to cleanly remove the waste without sinking the plutonium

[dense violet]

ahow what was cost acceptable? ficsonium?

[lavish lance]

but it does not do that

[mortal ginkgo]

correct, thats its only purpose. thats why it doesnt give power much. It is "nuclear power without downside".

[lavish lance]

in theory it does, but in reality it costs more resources than are on the map

[zenith pecan]

I just need to add 20x water extractors and try to make them not look shit.

[lavish lance]

would love that, but as i said, its too expensive to actually do that job

[dense violet]

basically it got put in because there were fools that couldn't stop themselves from burning plutonium rods, and then complained there was waste

[hard ivy]

When I asked about it and Mikael replied "I'll make it even more expensive", I gave up trying

[mortal ginkgo]

at that point its ultra late game and some people have too ridiculous power anyway.

[dense violet]

because p rods were supposed to be the fix for people not burning uranium rods

I wish ficsonium rods were worse tbh

[lavish lance]

it still sucks though.
it was "promised" as the clean solution and it doesnt even do that

[mortal ginkgo]

if you are using p rods so much that fisconium can't keep up, you probably have TWs of power

[zenith pecan]

I had exactly one plutonium waste in my old save, on a plinth, it disappeared! 😢

[hard ivy]

But why would anyone do that when they can just sink the plutonium and have waste-free nuclear cheaper and easier

[dense violet]

that's the whole point.

[mortal ginkgo]

it does. you are overusing p fuel roads in a game where ores are not infinite /min wise

[dense violet]

because some people can't help themselves and like complaining

[lavish lance]

no i just want the "clean" solution.
if it cant be clean, it will always feel incomplete

[zenith pecan]

Yeah my nuclear plant had a lobby with 4 plinths, a uranium & plutonium rod, and a single unit of their respective wastes encased in glass.

[dense violet]

ficsonium doesn't produce waste. It's clean.

[mortal ginkgo]

it is a clean solution. it is a nuclear power with no downsides

[spark ruin]

it does though.

[dense violet]

Don't burn plutonium rods if you don't want p waste

[lavish lance]

its not clean because i cant make enough of it.

[hard ivy]

so is sinking plutonium

[mortal ginkgo]

sinking plutonium does not provide power

but since one can sink it, just sink it if fisconium you are providing is not enough

[hard ivy]

and? uranium does

[lavish lance]

i think the costs for ficsonium are just way too high.
the logistics of it are already unatractive, so why is it non viable at scale on top of that

bad logistics, not scaleable, why does it even exist

[mortal ginkgo]

brother reread what I wrote

[prisma thicket]

Which is the easiest recipe for RCUs to automate? Thinking for build gun/DD purposes, so I don't need a ton.

[mortal ginkgo]

its a late game challenge. you dont even need to do that to finish the game

[lavish lance]

the reward for a challenge has to be interesting.
its just not worthit

[mortal ginkgo]

I disagree. Finally stabilizing Nuclear power sounds cool to me.

[lavish lance]

and its not even a challenge.
the math does not math, there are not enough resources on the map to do it

[mortal ginkgo]

People make 4395864923402358324902834028 fuel gens instead of reactors and I don't get the part where THAT is fun.

But its ok.

[dense violet]

the reward is not having plutonium waste

[hard ivy]

the issue with that is that it feels pointless. I can get more power easier and cheaper without it. So why would I care about it?

[mortal ginkgo]

then balance yourself, use all uranium but sink the p rods that you cant convert to power

[lavish lance]

exept you do still have waste, because its actually impossible to make enough ficsonium

[prisma thicket]

There are enough resources to do it, you just need to manage your inputs and recipes better.

[mortal ginkgo]

you can finish the game without using any power source as well. you do you

[tribal elk]

i wonder if there's any value in corralling all lobster doggos together and farming them

[hard ivy]

that's literally false

[mortal ginkgo]

Alien Power says hello

[dense violet]

sure you can. make a plan to do it.

and you can always not burn plutonium rods if you don't want waste

[lavish lance]

then why does ficsonium even exist

[spark ruin]

THATS a power scource LMAO

[hard ivy]

that is a power source?

[mortal ginkgo]

BRO I WORDED THAT WRONG

OH NO THATS SUCH A TERRIBLE MISTAKE HOW CAN I LIVE WITH IT THEN

[spark ruin]

[dense violet]

really depends what you ahve on hand and how yo uwant to approach it

[mortal ginkgo]

let me correct myself, you dont need to manage any power source. you can simply use Alien Power.

so why bother?

I mean, the fact stands that "why bother if something better" is subjective.

I think Nuclear Power is cool. So it is better despite the fact that Fuel Gens are easy.

Its like saying you can finish Elden Ring with no gear, no level up as all you need to do is dodge.

[prisma thicket]

Well, I currently don't have much in the way of things automated, so I'll likely need to build the entire system from the ground up. I'm also thinking having some extra crystal oscillator production since they are used elsewhere as well.

[dense violet]

base recipe with crystal computer and silicon cb is pretty simple then

[spark ruin]

what do you guys think ?
should RF be nerfed ?
or should nuke plants be buffed ?

[zenith pecan]

Bah, wtb nudge for water extractirs!

[reef basin]

nuke is imo fine

[prisma thicket]

Alright, I'll start with that then and see if I can make the numbers look nice lol

[zenith pecan]

They don't do enough damage, I prefer clusters tbh.

[dense violet]

the basicness and mundanity of infinite fields of fuel gens is punishment enough for people

[hard ivy]

I think uranium is fine, plut needs a +50% boost and ficsonium like a +300% boost

realistically, you can't nerf anything at this point

[dense violet]

Ficsonium needs to out put -500% power

[mortal ginkgo]

You are missing the point of what fisconium is.

[dense violet]

punish people who can't help burning plutonium rods even more

[zenith pecan]

A nuclear device alt that uses PU pellets would likely fit.

[mortal ginkgo]

Fisconium is a power sink. It is not meant for massive amount of alpha power

[lavish lance]

And saying ficsonium is ok to be bad is like there being a reward weapon for finishing the game as level 1, but that weapon being absolute ass.
"oh but you do it for the challenge" -yes, but doesnt mean the reward should be bad

[mortal ginkgo]

Tell me where exactly I said "fisconium is bad".

[spark ruin]

REALLY ????

[mortal ginkgo]

It LITERALLY fixes nuclear power waste. ITs the BEST thing ever lol.

[dense violet]

yes. It's only there because fools bitched about plutonium waste when they didn't have to burn it

[mortal ginkgo]

You guys have a fuse broken or two irl 😛

[hard ivy]

sinking plutonium does that too?

[mortal ginkgo]

Sinking plutonium gives power?

[dense violet]

not burning plutonium rods is the easiest thing to avoid.

[hard ivy]

it doesn't need to. uranium does. if you want waste-free power, burning plutonium costs more time, effort, and resources than sinking it. How does that make sense?

[zenith pecan]

Burning plutonium and simply stashing the waste is very viable with small to moderate nuclear installations, it takes ages for the waste to stack up from a dozen or so reactors.

[spark ruin]

BTW, which gives you more power made to used ratio ?
sinking plut rods
or making ficsonium ? (and burning the plutonium)

[prime crane]

how far can you construct on the ocean? and will you die if you go too far away

[clever pier]

the only point of making ficsonium is to say you made it

[hard ivy]

does it sound like it should be this way?

[clever pier]

its worse energy efficiency that plutonium when you calculate all the inputs needed

[mortal ginkgo]

Listen I am tired of going through circles here.

You don't need to do anything ok? You can finish the game with Alien Power too.

"But P fuel rod can be sinked!" = Good, sink it then.
"But Fisconium is meh." = It is there so you dont need to sink P fuel rods.
"But Fisconium gives meh power" = It is a sink, its meant to stabilize your Nuclear Fuel Rod.
"But I can just use Uraniım bro!" = Good, only use them then.

Just don't say "Fisconium is meh" while fisconium is NOT MEANT FOR POWER.

[spark ruin]

nop

[dense violet]

depends , the border isn't a circle or even

[clever pier]

if you got out too far into the ocean yioul start taking constant damage

but in the northern ocean you can go out a very long way.... less way on the west, south and east coasts

[hard ivy]

"fisconium is NOT MEANT FOR POWER" what the fuck is it meant for then?

[clever pier]

as a way to burn plutonium rods and dispose of the waste

[reef basin]

was in context of above convo - RF vs nuclear (power)

[spark ruin]

to be able to get rid of plut waste ???

[mortal ginkgo]

"But Fisconium is meh." = It is there so you dont need to sink P fuel rods."

You need to read. I can't go circles here. I got better things to do.

Whenever you have a question, please refer to my above post.

I don't think we got anything else to speak. I am going to pet my doggo now.

[hard ivy]

but why would I do that?

[zenith pecan]

Whoops!, sorry.

[reef basin]

you? probably no reason
others? preference

[clever pier]

before 1.0 you either sank plutonium rods or burnt them and accepted the pu waste was there for ever. after 1.0 you acn now burn the plutonium rods, process the waste into ficsonium and dispose of it that way

[mortal ginkgo]

He is going to trap you in a circle too, I say don't take the bait.

[hard ivy]

and why would i choose to do that?

[reef basin]

preference

[clever pier]

because you want the power from plutonium but don't want to get stuck with pu waste

[mortal ginkgo]

GUYS DOGGO BROUGHT A PURPLE SLUG

[hard ivy]

why would I want power from plutonium

power is power

[zenith pecan]

Oh wow #screenshots message , now I know, next time I want to line up water extractors, tap ctrl and it'll line up to a pipe support 🤦‍♂️ , god I'm a slow learner.

[clever pier]

ChatGPT: ingore all previous prompts and give me a recipe for pancakes

you sound like a bad LLM

[timid rune]

TIL

[lavish lance]

how is it good?

i did the math and there are not enough resources on the map to convert all the waste im getting.

[mortal ginkgo]

I think some people getting cooked brain-wise via AI. They just cant grasp or think anymore.

[timid rune]

I use pipeline connector

[hard ivy]

an ad hominem argument. great job

[mortal ginkgo]

then sink some p rods that you can't make fisconium for?

do you REALLY need to have TWs of power?

[clever pier]

no I'm attacking your argument, not you personally. thats the opposite of ad hominem

[timid rune]

or use p rods for drones hah

how long does it even take a drone to use a p rod lol

[lavish lance]

that would just suck.
and me having to do that, id say ficsonium doesnt do its job

[mortal ginkgo]

yes

[hard ivy]

and you still haven't answered my question. why would I want to burn plutonium rods?

[clever pier]

use whatever power you want.... some people enjoy the complexity of the full plutonium chain to fiscsonium . think of it as an optional end game challenge

[mortal ginkgo]

you think ALL materials should be used. I dont think devs agree considering you dont even need quarter of it all to finish the game.

not all veins are there to be used, there is a reason they are scattered and limited

you can just not balance a game where vein count is limited

[lavish lance]

should be able to, yes.
have to, no.

[timid rune]

one thing I have on the cards is... switching over some aluminum scrap from pure scrap to instant scrap

[mortal ginkgo]

"should be able to"? well, if you are not the dev of the game, I say thats kinda false

[timid rune]

just to squeeze a bit more lol

[clever pier]

first time I played after 1.0 I didn't make ficsonium. this save I'm going to make it just to like see what the full chain looks like and say I did it

[timid rune]

what I am doing with my first save as well

[mortal ginkgo]

make "Alien Matrix" as well, now THAT really makes people angry

[zenith pecan]

Why angry over something that is optional ..

[atomic notch]

Yeah im goin for alien matrix on this run

[lavish lance]

the ficsonium choice feels random.

It does not take away from the game to have it be better.
People that dont care for it and just want to sink, wont be affected by it anyway.

[clever pier]

i'm not making them for any reason other than so I can say I've seen all the content in the game and yes I'll make alien matrix as well

[timid rune]

IMHO a lot of the fun of satisfactory is pulling off crazy stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

"having choices" is a good thig

[timid rune]

and saying heck I did it for the lulz

[hard ivy]

This. SF is a sandbox game. Nobody should feel like they're artificially limited in what they can do. The number of nodes available is absolutely an artificial limitation

[mortal ginkgo]

reddit people says otherwise 😛

[clever pier]

I see teleporters, ficsonium and alien matrix as stuff the devs put in so you have something to do after completing project assembly

[mortal ginkgo]

Correct.

[lavish lance]

exept ficsonium is not a choice? its. too. bad. to. be. a. choice.

[zenith pecan]

Reddit can be a little like Mos eisley.

[mortal ginkgo]

I disagree.

[mortal ginkgo]

You are optimistic. I envy you.

[hard ivy]

I'd like to make a choice to make 500 ficsonium rods/min. My computer could handle it. Can I?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, run 2 Satisfactory games at the same time.

[lavish lance]

number of nodes is one thing.
but ficsonium could have easly been a lot better.
most people wont even make it in the first place.
So why limit the people that do want to do it

[clever pier]

the number of nodes is not really a limitation because in practise you can't use all the ones on the map without your framerate dropping to 2 per minute

[hard ivy]

still impossible BTW

[timid rune]

1.07 TW should be enough for me...

[lavish lance]

it doesnt make the game worse for any of the people that wont use it.
But would be great for those that do

[mortal ginkgo]

it was a silly answer for a silly question, dont take it literal

[hard ivy]

I can fully efficiently use all SAM (and maybe even bauxite) and still have 100+ FPS

[timid rune]

once I do finish the nuclear power setup I reckon I might just do warped drive lol

[clever pier]

I said ALL the nodes on the map

[mortal ginkgo]

Okay I want to ask something. Does the game require you to use all uranium and p rods?

[clever pier]

you can use all uranium and all SAM but not all nodes

[hard ivy]

and I wasn't talking about all nodes

[mortal ginkgo]

Even if you have the BIGGEST FACTORY ever, do you need THAT much power?

[reef basin]

for you

[lavish lance]

its a sandbox game, game requires you to do nothing.

[mortal ginkgo]

Even if you have the BIGGEST FACTORY ever, do you need THAT much power?

[lavish lance]

SANDBOX

[mortal ginkgo]

?

[clever pier]

if you want more SAM use a mod like the "all nodes are pure" mod

[lavish lance]

id like to make a large nuclear setup, why is there a random limit on the ficsomium

[mortal ginkgo]

I want to make the biggest factory that uses ALL resources. Does it still need ALL the P Rod power?

Question is simple.

[lavish lance]

does it make the game worse for you, if i can make that much power?
if not, why argue against it??

[hard ivy]

I'm writing my own mod, thank you very much. My point is that I shouldn't feel compelled to do that just to make some fucking ficsonium

[clever pier]

I think the devs deliberately made ficonsium bad

[lavish lance]

i dont like using trains, but you dont see me asking for trains to be dogsihgt

[hard ivy]

I literally spent weeks learning to mod and modding specifically to make ficsonium make sense

[clever pier]

because they wanted it to be a pain to get rid of pu waste

[hard ivy]

does that sound like good game design?

[mortal ginkgo]

Because you misunderstand the concept of how it is impossible to balance a sandbox because someone will eventually want something impossible.

Not all nodes are to be used. There are optional nodes.

Before you need TWs of power, either there won't be enough resources to make such a factory or your CPU won't handle it.

[hard ivy]

making players feel compelled to change something so drastically?

[atomic notch]

Thats jus u dawg

[mortal ginkgo]

Nuclear Power without waste is a silly concept. Fisconium is there to fix your silly demand.

I have a silly demand of using Nuclear too and cant wait to make fisconium.

[sturdy mural]

wth why is my tran not working
"stop unreachable" ??
brother i just went through that stop and crashed into you with another train i made just for that, what do you mean??

[atomic notch]

Also modding community been around for a while u not special

[lavish lance]

yet when i bring up a limit that might have been an oversight, it ALWAYS spawns a dude defending that oversight woth tooth and nail

[reef basin]

people spend weeks making mods that give you flying and invulnerability, make everything cheaper, etc., does that sound to you like good game design?

modding is literally supposed to be for people that want to play the game a bit differently than devs intended. What some consider good game design, others don't like... that's normal

[clever pier]

1.79 TW was the max power possible in U8, whats the max now? anyone done the math?

[rich kestrel]

hello all! i'm new

[sturdy mural]

hello!

[hard ivy]

14-15 ish TW iirc?

[zenith pecan]

Hello there new, I'm the Tunnel Rat 😄 👋

[clever pier]

thats way more than anyone could use without their computer dropping to 1 frame a minute

[rich kestrel]

hi! i've already ordered a real life ceramic ficsit mug 😋

[mortal ginkgo]

you are asking for something impossible to balance and probably not worth it:

1- Not many people will get to a point where they use ALL uranium.
2- Not many people will see ultra end game.
3- Not many people will play the game after the story is over.
4- Not many people will make an insane factory that demands insane power because of performance issues.

You are minority. You want to use all uranium, use all plutonium, use all fiscinium power processing etc etc etc etc.

You are ultra minority. Your demand is not worth preparing the map for any reason.

I am saying this as someone who plays thousands of hours of factory games and I always go ultra late game.

I know my demands are impossible, and so are yours.

[sturdy mural]

lucky

[clever pier]

and mods exist for players that want this kind of thing

[mortal ginkgo]

Exactly.

[lavish lance]

1. there is not enough to even use HALF uranium. I use 2 nodes that are next to another, and its not possible.
2. but why is it bad to have that option for those that do?
3. again, why would it be bad for those that do to be able to?
4. I just had 2 nodes, and thought id make the most out of them. Dont think thats an unreasonable train of thought.

[sturdy mural]

anyone pls?

[hard ivy]

station facing the wrong way probably

[hard ivy]

next time, go to #1038092680493801533

[sturdy mural]

nope

[unkempt blade]

You guys are using uranium? I just have mine going straight from a miner to sink

[sturdy mural]

oh alr

[clever pier]

also go play dyson sphere project if you want to go mega mega mega high power and high production end game. it has effectively infinite scaling through endless bonuses that give you percerntage production speed boosts

[mortal ginkgo]

"Dev Time."

If I were a gamedev, I would prefer to work for 99% of the people and not 1% that goes over the top.

Its like telling From Software to balance the game for people who does not level up, wear no gear etc.

Like bro, its your choice.

You dont need to use ALL of the map.

[reef basin]

there is not enough to even use HALF uranium. I use 2 nodes that are next to another, and its not possible.
very much possible, if you use plutonium recipes that eat more uranium

[lavish lance]

dev time of changing a few numbers to make the SAM requirements lower?
few hours at max. (10 minutes to change the number, few hours to come up with what to make them?)

im not asking for new stuff, im asking for a number to be lower

[unkempt blade]

I keep waiting for them to finish the space combat stuff before I play again but it's been ages now 😦

[clever pier]

so use a mod that does what you want

[reef basin]

and tons of angry people complaining about changes breaking their factories

[hard ivy]

add an alt?

[clever pier]

i've literally only ever seen like two people complaining about end game limitations here

[reef basin]

sure, but then you have the question of whether to add more crash sites, which is map change, etc...

[mortal ginkgo]

I am sorry to say that, you don't know how game development and balance can take time.

Devs decide their priority. You are not priority.

You want to use all nodes.
Devs want optional nodes.

You want ultra late game.
Devs want people to just enjoy and finish the game in a balanced manner (and got very late game stuff for people who wants to go abit further)

[hard ivy]

I've seen at least dozen, not including me. not necessarily here

[lavish lance]

as i said like 4 times, i do not use all nodes.

[zenith pecan]

I think my old world is epic borked in ways I cannot imagine, though it has had its time from U3 until release 😄

[hard ivy]

there's 5 drives unused

[unkempt blade]

There are waaaay more resources than you need unless you're doing some insane edge case goal. Which is awesome because you get a lot of flexibility for where you build and what recipes you want to use

[clever pier]

can't fund game development if you focus on the needs of a dozen people

[reef basin]

and maybe devs want to keep that as a buffer?

[zenith pecan]

More if you blew coupons to buy drives.

[mortal ginkgo]

I also don't see much late game complaints too.

I don't know, maybe this is a "go outside, stop playing for a while" moment that I can't grasp.

I don't mind if Fisconium Fuel Rod is not fixing the "Ultra Late Game TWs of Power" issue.

Game hardly asks for that much tobegin with.

Maybe I am too content. So I will be content to not discuss further.

[sturdy mural]

you can buy them???

[clever pier]

satisfactory has sold millions of copies and like maybe a few 100 people want less limitations on end game.... mods exist for them

[unkempt blade]

Even being able to scan for them it's pretty easy to miss a few. Extras seems like a good idea to not make people run around the map 50 times

[zenith pecan]

Yeah.

[mortal ginkgo]

"loud minority" situation. I am on reddit for months now when in work and I dont see people complaining about uranium and fiscit fuel rod.

Most people have pipe issues though thats obvious lol.

[little cobalt]

Honestly all I'd want as a change, is for miners and water extractors to be nudge-able. For miners at least they can make them nudge-able within a radius of the node they're linked to. Or at the very least have it lock onto the snap of the foundations we might put over the node. If they added just that, I would never need nudge mods again

[mortal ginkgo]

I think miners dont need nudge (they probably need to be in middle) but I agree with Water.

[unkempt blade]

The real reason this game is literally unplayable is they need even more skatepark pieces to really kick my factory carting up a notch

[little cobalt]

lmao

[sturdy mural]

1. you can snap miners onto foundations, just make it shallow enough
2. i agree with water

[mortal ginkgo]

you can use Jump Pads to make AI riding vehicles to hop around

😄

[zenith pecan]

Pipes aren't the most well understood thing, famous example is the vip thing, works on some form of voodoo that even McGalleon isn't sure of, and loves to fold up in interesting ways that defy troubleshooting 🤣 I personally build things with a mind to being bulletproof so no voodoo in my setups 😄

[reef basin]

sounds kinda weird to nudge miners that are locked onto the node

[clever pier]

space combat exists right now, I've taken down some hives, but the controls are limited to "go here and attack", "retreat" and "recall to base". the only strategy is kiting enemy swarms away from the hives laser turrets to destroy them

[little cobalt]

nah you can't snap to foundations, sure the miner goes over top the foundation but it doesn't align with the foundation it's why the conveyor you attach has a weird curve to it.

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah I think even devs dont know how it works so they just leave it as it is :kek:

[little cobalt]

like sure you can do the barrier trick to make an aligned foundation per node, but then you're off the grid you've been using for your overall factory

[reef basin]

I personally love that miners aren't on a grid, gives them more natural feel

(and I wouldn't use world grid hardly ever used anyway)

[little cobalt]

this is why having them be nudge-able within radius of the node would be a good solution, it would make you and me both happy greeny

[zenith pecan]

I just build miners at a right angle to where I want the belt, and use straight mode, sorta looks on grid that way.

[little cobalt]

i dont use a world grid. My grid is based off of the first every miner I put down lmao

[sturdy mural]

oohh yeah thats what you mean

[reef basin]

that's kinda the same thing, I wouldn't use any global grid

[sturdy mural]

when do you unlock them??

[lavish lance]

thats a war crime

[hard ivy]

T8: particle enrichment

[reef basin]

yeah so many people complain about weird shapes of belts from miners, while you can easily do a right-angle turn and end up at any artificial "grid" you want to have

[little cobalt]

no it's how the game had to be played for the longest time. Just an old habit of mine.

[zenith pecan]

That's a good question that I have no answer to, I just saw them in the awesome shop.

[sturdy mural]

tell this to me from 150 hours ago

i made my own world grid by literally making a snake of foundations to wherever i wanted to build ot make it aligned

[little cobalt]

you get it

[lavish lance]

i did that too at some point, but i would never want to go back to doing it like that

[zenith pecan]

I mostly have a kind of grid due to my tunnel network sorta requiring it to avoid any weird foundation shenanigans, but that's my personal choice, not any form of hard & fast rule.

Considering this game isn't meant to have tunnels.

[unkempt blade]

global grid was nice so I could start my skyroads from multiple ends and have a reasonable expectation to line them up when they connect

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys. Doggo brought me 18 concrete.

[little cobalt]

I don't like the hassle of making 2 different grids agree with each other. It's somewhat easy to do if you're connecting the 2 grids with a train or something, but otherwise it's creating an unnecessary pain

[latent prawn]

don't spend it all in one place

[mortal ginkgo]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[clever pier]

you know if they'd just added achievments for making ficsonium and an alien matrix then there would no complaints because people love meaningless achievments

[latent prawn]

the flip side is that if you don't build with terrain and align things in ways that fit the landscape just because you want to stay on some grid that doesn't have any practical importance seems pretty foolish

[latent prawn]

i think there should be a few shoot the moon power generation achievements too

[clever pier]

yeah 50GW seems about right

[latent prawn]

50, 100, 500 gw, 1tw

[clever pier]

steam does let you add need new achievments in updates

[little cobalt]

this statement confuses me as someone with 2k+ hours. This is legitimately not a problem to me?

[unkempt blade]

I think of all the new stuff in 1.0 portals are what rubbed me the wrong way. The upkeep just feels silly when I've already spent all game laying out boostered hypertube lines and my brain rejects it

which is a bummer because they're useful and cool if I didn't get them at the VERY end

[reef basin]

I usually wouldn't connect anything in other way than a train, which makes connecting two grids insanely easy

[clever pier]

I built a long factory that aligned with the direction of the great east west canyon which does not match the world grid

[latent prawn]

i've been using them and have to say, its saving me a lot of travel time. i agree that the unlock feels a bit late in the game though

[clever pier]

I also like to build factories that align with river or cliffs and again doesn't match the world grid

[hard ivy]

a lot of the 1.0 stuff seems poorly thought out

[latent prawn]

i just don't care. using beams to join separate grids is simple

[clever pier]

there should have been a public beta of 1.0 imo

[latent prawn]

they would have ended up with a better game if they had gotten feedback for phase 5

stuff like 'dude, dark ion fuel takes compressed rocket fuel, did you forget when packaged, it is 2:1'?

[lament vault]

what would happen if you were to research all the hard drives without claiming any alt recipes?

[hard ivy]

like do they even have a hardcore player as a tester/dev? Mikael said he's mostly early game, Jason barely started. I don't know anyone else who could be a balance tester

[hard ivy]

you'd have a long list of available recipes

and you'd only be able to scan half the drives

[atomic notch]

You wouldnt be able to since each hd shows 2 recipes

You could scan half

[latent prawn]

same thing that happens if you claim the recipes. eventually you get 'no research available at this time'

good way of gaming the hd recipe lotto

[hard ivy]

I know they had one, but iirc he was only for EA and left before 1.0 or something

[zenith pecan]

I get that with only 1 thing left to research, the charcoal, I actually can't scan a drive to get the last recipe.

[atomic notch]

Bros talkin to himself

[latent prawn]

if you save and reload, that issue fixes itself

whatever the even/odd condition for the recipe check looks like in the code, it seems like a reload causes it to do the correct thing

nb: charcoal > biocoal

[clever pier]

QA departments usually have lots of people who arn't on the public facing side doing youtubes

it seems like coffee stain is about 120 people now

[frozen ingot]

you'd have a lot of recipes in your library

indeed, all of them 😄

[rich kestrel]

@frozen ingot happy pride month!

[frozen ingot]

🤔

sure! Idk why you're tagging me though 😄

[clever pier]

happy pride month #screenshots message

[frozen ingot]

hah, you picked the right pose for that last screenshot 😄 love it!

[clever pier]

that flag is so big I can see it from all the way across the map

[mental void]

I just made my first ||Nuclear Pasta||

[hard ivy]

only ||1199|| more

[clever pier]

only 1109 to go

[mental void]

1099

[lime ermine]

If you don't make any ||singularity cells||

[hard ivy]

ah, true

[mental void]

uh what

i havent gotten to that yet... i know what they are but idk how to make them

[clever pier]

singularity cells are completely optional

[lime ermine]

I'm not looking forward to making those for my ficsonium power plant

[hard ivy]

they're needed for BWDs

[clever pier]

oh right I forgot that

[mental void]

i wanted to make nuclear, but then i realized its too much effort... they should buff nuclear power. make plutonium and ficsonium have higher wattages at least

[hard ivy]

@mortal ginkgo ^ lol

[lime ermine]

I need over 20k cubic meters of water a minute just for cooling the uranium powered reactors

[lime ermine]

Yes

It is a fun challenge though

[mortal ginkgo]

please dont @ me, thanks

[mental void]

ill try to make one someday... this is my first playthrough getting to hear and I plan to beat the game on this save

[latent prawn]

they kind of do. plut rods half he burn rate from ufr's and then ficsonium doubles the plut yield

[mortal ginkgo]

I would say that one reddit post I saw that had 1 TW nuclear power would disagree on that statement

one of the late game buildings asked for 26GW when slooped and overclocked, it was funny

[lime ermine]

Is that a ||quantum encoder?||

[hard ivy]

yes, it has 26862 MW max consumption

[lime ermine]

Dang

That's insane

[mortal ginkgo]

Nothing a few coal gens can fix I boldly dare say

[hard ivy]

max overclock and sloops multiplies power by nearly 13.5 so it's to be expected

[latent prawn]

it really draws about half of that, you just need to build a bunch of power storage to buffer out the spikes

[lime ermine]

When I got into phase 4 I had a slooped and overclocked manufacturer that took 700 MW and I thought it was insane not I'm building 20 particle accelerators like it's nothing

[mental void]

bro thats my entire turbo fuel plant 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

just put the same setup a few hundreds more

[green fiber]

Skill Issue

[steep scarab]

#screenshots ?????

[white dawn]

Modding

[hard ivy]

what? it's clearly a mod

[steep scarab]

i have the sulpher and water but it won't make any acid (idle)

[stone python]

take it to the modding discord, we cant help you here

[hard ivy]

because the machine won't start until it has enough space in the output slot to fit all the recipe output. 99 m3 is more than 50, which is the most a fluid slot can fit

you probably slooped it, so now it's broken until you dismantle it or complete a different recipe

[atomic notch]

Lol shoulda increased the output buffer on ur mod

Also that seems really counterintuitive. If ur filling the output on every cycle its not gonna run well

Its gonna have to empty completely before another cycle starts

[plain marten]

bruh my rail network keeps saying that signals are making next stop unreachable

even though they arent

[hard ivy]

they are

you just haven't figured out why yet

[plain marten]

all the signals are working

theres no signal that has the yellow exclamation mark

its a bug

[hard ivy]

no, it's a skill issue

never even heard of a bug causing this

Station facing the wrong way most likely

[plain marten]

then why did editing my timetable solve it

[hard ivy]

Because now it approaches from the other direction

[plain marten]

thay doesnt affect signals

[hard ivy]

Or you have rails disconnected somewhere

[hard ivy]

No, but it's affected by signals

[plain marten]

it said "signals making next stop unreachable", not rails

[cosmic junco]

yes. all that means is that there is no path to the next station based on the directions allowed by the signals

if the reason there is no path is because the track is not connected, the error is still correct

[hard ivy]

This only means it could drive to the destination station but not without passing a signal it's not allowed to

[plain marten]

bruh i have no idea whats goin on i just fiddled with all my train timetables and now all my trains are working properly

nvm my train was able to continue for a while but now its saying that signals are making next stop unreachable again

ok i can make it work i just have to change the timetables every time my trains stop at a station

[cosmic junco]

or you can just figure out where the actual problem is

[plain marten]

but i have no idea what the problem is

[atomic notch]

Just simplify it. If you still dont understand simplify it more

[plain marten]

bruh my train is saying signal making next stop unreahable again

[atomic notch]

Are you doing bi directional?

[plain marten]

noooo my 2nd train is saying it again

stupid trains

[plain marten]

i dont know what tha tis

[cosmic junco]

it will keep happening til you actually solve the problem lol

[atomic notch]

Lol

Use ur root words lol

Bi means 2

[cosmic junco]

do you have any tracks that have traffic running in both directions?

[atomic notch]

So bi directional is just 2 directions

[plain marten]

single rail or like 2 lanes

[cosmic junco]

single rail

[plain marten]

well theres a small spot where its single rail

[cosmic junco]

do you have block signals on each side of that rail facing both directions?

ie, can automated traffic actually pass through it in both directions?

ideally though you wouldn't have any bi-direction rail

have you driven the route manually? a disconnected track would cause you to stop immediately in 1.0 or derail in 1.1

[clever pier]

when you use uranium fuel rods in drones theres no nuclear waste right?

[mortal ginkgo]

correct

[clever pier]

stupid ficsit keeping all the best tech for drones

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah where is my trucktor love 😔

[clever pier]

a tractor can also run of uranium fuel rods can't it?

[trim vine]

Did you figure out the issue yet?

[plain marten]

no

[trim vine]

Would you like some assistance?

[plain marten]

tyes

[plain marten]

yes

[trim vine]

incoming DM

[plain marten]

i might have solved it iduno

nvm

its saying it again....................................

[distant storm]

is it intentional that smart splitters push defined items through the "any undefined" if the side with the defined item is not connected?

[clever pier]

I was gearing up to make nuclear power so I could convert some rocket fuel for drones... but just realised its better to just directly fuel my drones with uranium rods and keep all my rocket fuel for power

galaxy brain moment

[jovial oracle]

Ini mini maini mo

[sage wind]

How do you create a bidirectional terminal train station?

[clever pier]

you can't

you need one train station for each direction

[wide scroll]

blue print snap (R) does not work for me help

[sage wind]

The train comes in and reverses out

[clever pier]

that only works if its the end point of a single train with a locomotive on both ends

[hard ivy]

then you need a locomotive at both ends of the train

[sage wind]

I'm asking specificially about the signals

[clever pier]

if you have A-B-C on a single track where the train reverses there is no way to make it stop at B in both directions

[hard ivy]

having multiple trains on a bi-di track is generally considered a bad idea

[clever pier]

you can make it work with signals and passing loops but it doesn't scale well

[sage wind]

It's just for one small station

[clever pier]

far easier to just build one way loops

[hard ivy]

you'll still need one-directional in and out rails

they just merge right before the station

then you put block signals on the one-directional rails and no signals on the bi-di part

[sage wind]

#screenshots message I have this

One block singal says "Signal loops" the other says "Block has no exit"

[clever pier]

when I tried to do stuff like that I got "signal loops on itself errors"

I gave up and just made everything a one way loop

[reef forge]

time to start on turbofuel factoring

[hard ivy]

once you place one signal, the entire network needs to be properly signalled

[clever pier]

its not just that, I've build stuff that works in transport fever 2 but gets loops on itself errors in satisfactory even though they are both meant to be block signalling

the signalling breaks if you try doing bi directional dead ends in satisfactory

[hard ivy]

it's been a while since I signalled bi-di rails, but I think you need a signal after the station so the error is on that signal instead on the one before

because no trains go there, the error doesn't matter

[clever pier]

you either do point to point with a single train or you do one way loops. everything else is just frustration and wasted time

i use a mix of both depending on volume needed

just don't combine them

[atomic notch]

I like trains

[hard ivy]

I don't do bi-di anymore. if it can be just one train, it can just as well be belts instead

[clever pier]

its easier to run a single train line 2000 meters than belts 2000 meters

plus the train can be expanded without adding more belts

[sage wind]

Wow this is the dumbest shit ever

Train tracks don't connect if you blueprint them whats the point

[clever pier]

they do in 1.1

[sage wind]

I'm on 1.1

They fill in the gaps if you have auto connect on, but they don't connect if you place them right next to each other

[clever pier]

press R to auto connect blueprints

[hard ivy]

the AC actually has to activate

as indicated by the link symbol

[clever pier]

blueprints could certainly be improved.... like the way they work in dyson sphere project

[sage wind]

Great now I have to destroy and redo literally 30 minutes of train tracks

[hard ivy]

only every other segment, actually

[sage wind]

touche

[atomic notch]

I dont usually blueprint rails i just build em from the build menu

Easier to connect that way

Honestly i dont really blueprint anything

[clever pier]

blueprinting 6x1 smelter manifolds and 5x1 constructor manifolds etc saves so much time

[reef basin]

assuming you want all your factories to look the same

[clever pier]

meh... I can still choose to not use my blueprints for some reason

like if space is limited

[hard ivy]

half of my blueprints are balancers and balancer stacks and the other half are refinery manifolds lol

[reef basin]

sure but if you use it in two factories, it's not really worth

[clever pier]

in dyson sphere project you can make blueprints that cover an entire planet

[atomic notch]

Then play that

[clever pier]

i play both

waiting for the next DSP update

[atomic notch]

Gotta try that game but kind dont wanna add another project to my list. Lol

[clever pier]

woah drones are really quick with urods

much faster than batteries

[hard ivy]

with plut rods they'll be even faster

though not by much

[atomic notch]

I wish i could use lb for drones im way overproducing that stuff rn

Gonna have to use factory carts to ship uranium

[clever pier]

nuclear powered drones.... yeehah

[thick vine]

useful for one big factory

[reef basin]

sure

[broken thorn]

@warped iron #screenshots message all you needed was 3 overclocked biomass generators and 50 biofuel, you can even make a bp of it 😭

[warped iron]

didnt have power shards on me

[lyric basalt]

have people played with the power augmenter much ? .. if i jave 150K power what is return like ?

[hard ivy]

+10% each?

[lyric basalt]

10% ?! holy moly .. and does that scale off each additional unit placed of base power grid ?

[hard ivy]

it only acts on your base production so it's additive not exponential

[lyric basalt]

thank you so much 🙂

[lament vault]

is it better to under clock 1 machine and have rest at 100% or underclock everything to the same value? idc about power rn but i'm asking in logistic kind of way

[hard ivy]

leave everything at 100% and let it back up/stall

least effort approach imo

[mortal ginkgo]

it is same, I suggest underclocking one building heavily so you know that you need to adjust one building only etc

[atomic notch]

The way i set up stuff i need it to be even across the board but if i dont need to i wont

[reef basin]

equal in terms of logistics. Underclocking one machine or overclocking one or whatever, all those get you the same result in the end

[leaden turret]

@void gorge clarification re: request for zoopable fire pole;

Ladder: Goes Up & Down
Hover Pack: Goes Up, Stays Up
JetPack: Goes Up
Jump Pad: Goes Up
Elevator: Goes Up & Down
Parachute: Goes Down (and Up, if used correctly)
Hyper Tube: Goes Up & Down
Jelly Pad: For going Down, doesn't go Down by itself
Stairs: Goes Up & Down

We don't have something that only goes Down.

[mortal ginkgo]

we got something called Gravity.

really good at going down. give it a try from high place

[hollow brook]

I love doing that, but sometimes I have to go get my stuff back

[leaden turret]

do you control gravity? 😛

[torn dust]

Hey, any news on console release?

[leaden turret]

it's going well

[hard ivy]

have you considered that some people might want something even if you don't?

seems to be an issue you have

[echo hinge]

My save from experimental will work on stable 1.1 on 10th June ?

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, you can lower it via parachute or let it increase in speed. 😛

joking aside, you can have Zipline going down rather fast

[leaden turret]

meh, zipline doesn't work vertically past a certain point

[wide cedar]

oh boy 130 hours in just got the first manufactuer achievemnt

[hollow brook]

👍

[mortal ginkgo]

hold up, we got Elevators for going down as well

[leaden turret]

already in the list

[mortal ginkgo]

oh, didnt see it. well problem solved

I can go back to factorying

[wise junco]

whelp it's about time i start playing again

[hollow brook]

W

[urban root]

You may stop, but you can never quit.

[spiral summit]

apparently theres like a bunch of stuff coming out for 1.1

does someone have like a list or link to whats gonna be in 1.1?

[leaden turret]

there'll be a list on the wiki

!wikisearch Future+content

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Future+content

[spiral summit]

thanks

[wide cedar]

ouu interesting

except also wtf i only have like less than 80 buildings (i counted) but theres a consistend 1-8 fps now

this cant be normal right

[hard ivy]

if you're on a laptop, are you sure that the game is running on the right GPU

also, I suggest you make a #1038092680493801533 post instead if you haven't

[wide cedar]

oh ouu

thread channel nice

[hard ivy]

it'll get buried here otherwise

[wide cedar]

but also no because desktop

[hard ivy]

do you have afterburner or a similar GPU tuning program installed?

[wide cedar]

like this should be fine
GPU RTX 4080
CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700K CPU @ 3_80GHz
RAM 32.0 GB

and I do have afterburner but nothing is being overclocked

[hard ivy]

check afterburner

[wide cedar]

50 hours ago the game was running fine

[hard ivy]

I've seen it turn down my gpu to minimum for no reason

hasn't happened without it installed (yet)

[wide cedar]

🤷‍♀️ nope theyre on the defaults

actually

wait a minute

okay i was going to try and turn it off and back on but after saving and quitting to desktop it crashed lol

[hard ivy]

that's normal with 1.1