satisfactory

[sullen gull]

Noice

[stray patio]

how long does a damn computer need

[dusky relic]

I don't do spaghetti

[fresh wharf]

Like 3 per minute

[stray patio]

slug slavery time

[fresh wharf]

And when you can't find any slugs you'll have to wait until tier 9

[stray patio]

i have yet to complete phase 3

[dusky relic]

#screenshots message

[fresh wharf]

Show the result in game

[sullen gull]

This is where I am at currenly.. #screenshots message (though a tad farther lol) Let me know if you see any spaghetti, so I can cut it with my knife and fork.

[stray patio]

holy

[fresh wharf]

I only have two floors of factory and kilometers of spaghetti, wow

[dusky relic]

Let me get on my computer

[sullen gull]

Ooh, salty streamin?

[dusky relic]

I just don't have a pic

[fresh wharf]

Designing? What about talent and prayers
Designing is for NERDS

Me, my factory runs on hopes and dreams

That's the best fuel possible anyways

[prisma thicket]

Is that a "all the bauxite" alu factory?

[stray patio]

my first worlds electrics ran on life support

[sullen gull]

Hai

Central part is the RF setup

[fresh wharf]

My first worlds electrics ran on power slugs and more liquid fuel than actual machines

[sullen gull]

feeding 60 gens in the towers in back (12 each, 3 floors) and 500/min for packahed for drones to deliver across the map as fuel.

[stray patio]

i gave that world up on phase 3 beginning it was too much for me. glad im back

[sullen gull]

But, I'm thinking of upping that, not sure 5 stacks/min will cut it.

[dusky relic]

#screenshots message

[fresh wharf]

Theres probably someone crazy enough out there to finish the game on biofuel only

[fresh wharf]

Too much stimulation for my brain, sorry

[prisma thicket]

That sounds like absolute torture...

[sullen gull]

Ooof, the amount of time spent collecting ..... no thanks. you take that one.

[dusky relic]

Ill upload a 2d map overview

[dense violet]

there's at least one person on the server claiming the ywere doing a biofuel only run

[stray patio]

theres a dude who finished til phase 2 without automation.

[sullen gull]

I don't doubt it

[stray patio]

he didnt do phase 3 yet

[dusky relic]

#screenshots message

[arctic swallow]

wasn't there a guy that finished the game crafting by hand?

[sullen gull]

That's not too difficult. Especially if they were collecting from hdd wrecks.

[fresh wharf]

I mean I went up to tier 6 before figuring out I could connect belts to splitters and mergers

[prisma thicket]

The speedrun for completing phase 1 is 17 minutes, no automation necessary

[stray patio]

thats what i just said haha

[stray patio]

what.

[arctic swallow]

you said til phase 2

[stray patio]

ah my bad

[arctic swallow]

and i mean whole game

[stray patio]

i didnt see another vid doing it

[stray patio]

broo i couldnt bother

not for a million euros

[arctic swallow]

how about 1 million pennies?

[stray patio]

def

[fresh wharf]

Not possible, smart plating etc are only craftable by assemblers

[sullen gull]

Handfed into containers connected to a machine is my guess

[fresh wharf]

Pretty much not by hand

[arctic swallow]

i think he made assemblers and other to craft things you can't by hand but 0 automation everything fed by hand

[dusky relic]

Same with steel most likely

[stray patio]

he handfed em and underclocked it to 1 item per min

he only used bio fuel

[fresh wharf]

What a crazy guy

[stray patio]

istg

yall should look it up on google great vid

only 17k views sadly

deserved much more imo

[arctic swallow]

guys hear me out....you need to automate everything buy you can use only one inpure node

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/true-gif-21006811

[stray patio]

dont give em ideas

[dusky relic]

I still like my idea of only using one input for all machines

Like the manufacturer being fed through a sushi

[arctic swallow]

isn't sushi in satisfactory ver bad idea?

[prisma thicket]

You can do sushi belts for manufacturers and assemblers, just need smart splitters

[dusky relic]

You don't understand

[prisma thicket]

It's actually not much of a problem if done correctly.

[dusky relic]

Only 1 of the inputs can be used, instead of the 4

[arctic swallow]

in factorio you can set up logic to don't over produce but in satis you would have to manualy turn on/off

[sullen gull]

Nah, just tedius, prone to clogs if not done right, but can be done really well.

[dusky relic]

So smart splitters won't work

[dusky relic]

Just 9 times outta 10, it's just I unneeded

[sullen gull]

Kibitz showcased a guys save who had some neat sushi setups all over.

[prisma thicket]

You can do a single input manufacturer with one one belt, you just need to manage the amounts going onto that belt VERY carefully, or have a smart splitter just for overflow.

[sullen gull]

iirc it utilized every aspect of the game all the way up to ficsonium, primarily done in the desert.

[dusky relic]

Overflow wouldn't work

[sullen gull]

Remember though, you always have something between the smart splitter and the machine, the overflow has no control over that section.

[dusky relic]

^^^

[arctic swallow]

hear me out.....

[dusky relic]

No

I refuse

[arctic swallow]

beating a game but....

[prisma thicket]

Yah, then you just need to manage what goes onto the belt extremely precisely

[arctic swallow]

you need to get stuff from lizzarddoggos

[dusky relic]

I think it's already been done

[sullen gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Okq75_Zps

[arctic swallow]

ohhh

[prisma thicket]

Oh dear lord... that would take ages

[sullen gull]

And you can download that save too. It's a pretty cool build

[arctic swallow]

then using only one doggo

[dusky relic]

That would be near impossible I think

[prisma thicket]

Well, probably near impossible to complete in one lifetime at least lol

[sullen gull]

You'd get more nuke nobelisks than iron plates !

[arctic swallow]

yeah near impossible but not impossible :D

[sullen gull]

Let us know how that goes 😉

[arctic swallow]

No

i won't be doing it

[sullen gull]

Fine then, hoard all your fun.

[sullen gull]

Oh, well .. that's fair

[dusky relic]

[pearl walrus]

How much power should i have for phase 5?

[sullen gull]

I would say it all depends on what you want to do. 100k min maybe. But definitely don't quote me on that number lol.

[pearl walrus]

thats already how much I use to run my power😭😭

[sullen gull]

using 100k to generate how much?

[prisma thicket]

It depends on how fast you want to go. If you are ok waiting, you can get by with like 60-80 GW. If you want to go faster, you'll need a lot more power.

[pearl walrus]

Currently only 120k but once I collect some uranium and craft some more cells il have 400

Maybe 630k if i feel like changing recipies

[sullen gull]

Just looked, using ~7k to generate 37,500, but most of the RF generated is being packaged.

Seems puny compared lol

[pearl walrus]

took me 250 hours for this stoopid power project😭

[sullen gull]

Average net of 30,951

I'm not saying you're doing it wrong at all, And I'm sure 400 would be way plenty.

I only had about 150k on my first save in 1.0 where I 'saved the day'

BUT, i did not have everything running at 100% either.. so yeah.

[pearl walrus]

You restarted?

[sullen gull]

A new save, yeah.

and a couple of creative saves inbetween.

[pearl walrus]

Oh okay. I couldnt bring myself to restart😵‍💫

[sullen gull]

Not even after finishing it all? Wouldn't want to try it a second time "knowing what you know now" and see how you would do things different?

After a good break and some Ficsit Bottled water of course 😏

[pearl walrus]

Nah i got a bunch of other games I wanna try soon. Got some plans for baldurs gate, mayve some bloodborne. So after 500 hozrs of this project ill probably be done and get to do other things🤕

[sullen gull]

Lol, fair. I have yet to complete BG3 myself

[sage wind]

Do trains still transfer power?

[pearl walrus]

Yes

[sullen gull]

But I am also pushing 2800 hours in this game lol

[pearl walrus]

Not trains but rails but ye

[pearl walrus]

Sheett

This is my main save and im at 350 ir sth rn

[sullen gull]

Meh, that's pennies compared to some I'm sure.

[sullen gull]

Current save: #screenshots message

Some of that is leaving it open overnight though, soo..

[sage wind]

@dusky relic https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1376130335502241802/image.png?ex=683434bf&is=6832e33f&hm=3dca1a1d8ce83f3b9d9d0dbe8232fe85424a3aaa4d74107d9f32b6f1e33c4e94&

What is that

[pearl walrus]

Jeez

[pearl walrus]

Its a factory from top view

[sage wind]

Using what

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[sturdy mural]

guys can the gas spider spawn little spiders??

[sullen gull]

I feel I have seen certain actions spawn spiders, blowing up a wall, nabbing a sloop/mercer, And have come across caves with 'momma and her babies' but I don't believe the larger one spawn smaller spawns from hell.

[fresh wharf]

I think I'll enable arachnophobia mode after a big ass spider jumped at poor me while I was flying towards elevated terrain

[sullen gull]

Pssshhh, that's even worse imo lol

[fresh wharf]

I'd rather have a cat jump at me than a stabby fucker with more orifices than limbs

[sullen gull]

I mean, the sounds are still here though lol.

[sage wind]

All the mobs trigger fight of flight for me in this game idk why

[fresh wharf]

Oh my god

I wonder if theres homing rifle ammo so I can kill them as soon as possible

[sturdy mural]

no theyre replaced with meows

[arctic swallow]

yes there is

[fresh wharf]

It's in the MAM? Sulfur tree?

[arctic swallow]

yeah caterium

[sullen gull]

Even when skittering around?

[fresh wharf]

Caterium??? I have it fully completed though

Oh wait no I don't

[stray patio]

whats the thingy on SCIM called where i can see what factory stuff i need to get an item

[sturdy mural]

idk might been removed?

but i think the "slashes" are still here

i dont remember i removed it to aim better

[fresh wharf]

At night in a cave with gas then a colony jumps at you in unison

[sullen gull]

I only did it once long ago and was like nope. Been on 'retaliate' ever since 🤣

[stray patio]

i cant find it anymore

[sullen gull]

Game Progression?

Or Game Resources > Items maybe?

[stray patio]

#screenshots i mean this

or is that a different site?

[sullen gull]

That's Satisfactory Tools.

[stray patio]

mb

[sullen gull]

Though SCIM has one as well under Planners

[stray patio]

couldnt find it haha

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production

[sullen gull]

And here is the other site you were thinking of: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[prisma thicket]

tools was made by one of our very own community members 😄

[torn forge]

Do the devs still have a roadmap for this game?

Or is it do I shed

Finished*

[sullen gull]

One published? Not sure.

[sullen gull]

Doubtful. Not according to the latest stream.

[coarse geode]

any tips for building a nuclear power plant?

[sullen gull]

Lots of coffee/redbull and maybe a notepad

[prisma thicket]

Plan carefully and take it slow, there's a lot of moving parts to get Nuclear online + deal with the waste.

[sullen gull]

^ Better said

[arctic swallow]

use water for cooling

[coarse geode]

as of now i figured out how i want to build my water farm, i also want dedicated spaces for the factories, plants and everything else which can be expanded later

[fresh wharf]

Can nuclear waste be sent to the AWESOME shop?

[prisma thicket]

You'll need lots of space regardless, and it's advisable to invest in plenty of verticality when you can, so you're not building a factory from the dune desert to the rocky desert lol

[prisma thicket]

No, that's why you need to figure out how to deal with it.

[fresh wharf]

What a scam

[sturdy mural]

no

[sullen gull]

Build it round too 🙂 #screenshots message

[prisma thicket]

Uranium waste can be processed to make plutonium fuel rods which can be sent to the awesome sink

[sturdy mural]

a puzzle ⭐

[fresh wharf]

Nice

[sullen gull]

Or used as drone fuel 😏

[coarse geode]

i have my extractors on ocean level, i plan to build the reactors above and the factories even further above

and then expand horizontally

[sturdy mural]

btw how much is a GW
was it 1.000MW? (1,000MW?? 1K MW)

[coarse geode]

1000mw is 1gw

[prisma thicket]

But the full process takes Uranium fuel rods to power some nuclear power plants, then process the waste into plutonium fuel rods, which also power some nuclear reactors, and the plutonium waste is then processed into ficsonium fuel rods, which is the final product as it produces no waste when used in a nuclear reactor.

But that's locked behind Tier 9 which is phase 5, so you either need to wait for that, or stop at plutonium fuel rods. Otherwise you start piling up plutonium waste with no way to deal with it.

[coarse geode]

ill build a huge storage in the desert

[prisma thicket]

Lol isn't it simpler to just stop at plutonium fuel rods and sink those/use them as drone fuel until you're ready to complete the process?

[timid rune]

I wish there are quarter foundations

[sullen gull]

Use a ladder and build it under the ocean! 🤤

[finite latch]

can't you use the bottom of the map to store waste? just fill a truck and shove it off a cliff.. 🤷

[sturdy mural]

i'm glad i switched from packed fuel to packed turbofuel

[timid rune]

think falling truck causes lag issues

[sturdy mural]

do it for like 10 minutes and you'll have 5 fps because hundreds of entties in the void near each other

[timid rune]

because it just keeps falling forever

[sturdy mural]

doesn't it stop at one point?

[prisma thicket]

Eventually that will break your game as the trucks fall to the bottom of the map but aren't deleted, so the game is constantly having to track them

[torn forge]

I didn’t see yesterday’s stream, could you please update me?🫤😃

[sullen gull]

This was a couple days ago...

[finite latch]

define "break"? that sounds exactly what should happen lol

[sullen gull]

#dev-streams

[prisma thicket]

Lag and bugs because of too many objects being rendered.

[finite latch]

I meant, that it shouldn't be a strategy to "shove it off a cliff" lol

besides, if it worked.. there be at least a dozen videos on youtube showing you how to do it

[broken thorn]

Biofuel the goat

[prisma thicket]

Technically that does exist, Let's game it out used lizard doggos to launch his waste off the map lol

[sturdy mural]

i overused it and no more foliage :(

[broken thorn]

Impossible

[sturdy mural]

possible actually

it doesnt respawn so you can get rid of ALL the foliage

[broken thorn]

If you do somersloop trick you get stacks and stacks of solid biofuel from a stack of wood

[prisma thicket]

You can make biofuel from the animals around the map, as they respawn

[broken thorn]

I can fill like 2 storages of solid biofuel in 10 minutes bro 😭

[prisma thicket]

It's not impossible to remove all the foliage on the map though

[cloud locust]

how do i go about stacking my constructors

[prisma thicket]

Build a 1m foundation above each one, build the next constructor on top

[cloud locust]

how do i bring convey stuff to the constructors above the first one

[reef basin]

Lifts

[cloud locust]

lifts?

is that like a verical conveyor splitter?

[reef basin]

Conveyor lifts

[gusty bronze]

k, been a month, popping in for my standard, version 2.0 when with extra larger maps?

[sturdy mural]

no its just a lift
items go in on the bottom, items go out on the top
works the other way

[reef basin]

Never

[gusty bronze]

oh hey greeny, and yes gimmi

[reef basin]

And there's only one map

[gusty bronze]

yes, we did that map, need another

[reef basin]

They won't make it

They always said that

[gusty bronze]

k, but they need to

I have nothing to scratch my tism

[reef basin]

Play a different game then

[gusty bronze]

I did, planet crafter, finished it and all achievements

[reef basin]

Play factorio

[gusty bronze]

did that as well

[reef basin]

Pyanodons modpack

[gusty bronze]

factoria, forever skies, palworld, astroneer, check check check check

[broken thorn]

Well, they said they'd never add mk6 belts : V

[prisma thicket]

There's Factorio, Foundry, Dyson Sphere Program, Shapes, Astroneer, Hydroneer

[arctic swallow]

minecraft gregtech

[gusty bronze]

did those

cept dyson sphere, didn't look fun

[reef basin]

No they didn't? They said that adding mk6 is a problem due to engine limitations

[broken thorn]

Ah, nevermind then

[stray patio]

is foundry good? its pretty new right?

[gusty bronze]

mk3 pipes 😄

[stray patio]

i played the demo a bit

[broken thorn]

There's a demo ?

[stray patio]

it was free for a few days

[sturdy mural]

the satisfactory plus mod? or smth like that

[broken thorn]

ah

[prisma thicket]

I haven't played it myself, but I know TotalXclipse and ImKibitz love it

[gusty bronze]

last I checked it didn't have multiplayer?

yeah site still says no multi and still hella buggy

guess I could always go conquer the world and solve cancer while I wait for Satisfactory2

[finite latch]

multiplayer seems superfluous anyway

[gusty bronze]

wait cross that, thought I read Europe had like 15 cures for cancer vaccines now, so half my job already done

nah, multi is fun with friends when you all have that special tism

[cloud locust]

how do i randomize distribution within the floors without doing a clunky setup

[arctic swallow]

use manifold

[cloud locust]

?

[prisma thicket]

What do you mean randomize?

[cloud locust]

splitting the inputs between the floors equally

yea mb i didnt mean randomize

[arctic swallow]

i don't know to tell you what manifold

search "manifold satisfactory"

[prisma thicket]

If you use conveyor splitters, they always try to split evenly between outputs, so if you have a lift of 200 items and put a vertical splitter in it, it will do 100 to one output and 100 to the other

[sage wind]

manifold 4 life

[fresh wharf]

If your belts aren't fast enough add splitters to divide the materials between belts

[cloud locust]

i dont have vertical splitters

[arctic swallow]

its good if you have space, but if you don't have space use manifold

[fresh wharf]

Good get them

[cloud locust]

how, at what tier do i get them

[prisma thicket]

If you have splitter and lifts, you have vertical splitters, you just need to place a conveyor splitter over a conveyor lift

[arctic swallow]

tier 9 ||(it is a joke)||

[fresh wharf]

Tier 9

Vertical conveyors have complex teleportation/matter relocation technology

[cloud locust]

do you have a graphical example

[boreal musk]

vanilla vertical splitter is 1.1 exclusive, but we can pretty much done that pre 1.1

[prisma thicket]

Oh right, sorry forgot vertical splitters are on experimental. Hmmmm you'll have to split the resources on the ground and have separate lifts for each floor if you're on the stable release.

[fresh wharf]

I don't get it, what's a vertical splitter? It's just connecting a splitter to a vertical conveyor, no?

[prisma thicket]

It's a conveyor splitter directly onto a conveyor lift, like in the middle of the lift.

[fresh wharf]

The middle??? Huh???
I must not have the right version of the game

I only play when offline so I don't really update stuff

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message

[boreal musk]

you snap merger/splitter onto existing conveyor lift

it will become a vertical variant

[fresh wharf]

Oh, it's not only on the inputs and outputs, ok

[prisma thicket]

Yah, but that's only available on the experimental branch. Once 1.1 releases to stable, it will be available automatically.

[sacred summit]

I always felt this seemed janky. Is it deliberately intended that way, or just sort of "a consequence of how the game works"?

[boreal musk]

the snapping indeed feel janky

[prisma thicket]

Yah, it's a bit clunky, could use some refinement I think.

But it's still a nice additional tool for vertical building.

You can also use it to do vertical manifolds if you need to.

[sacred summit]

OH 100%. I just avoided it because it felt a bit like cheese. If it really was intended to become a vertical splitter, I'll readjust my thinking on it 😅

[boreal musk]

the way i design my factory never rely on vertical splitter, so it doesnt really matter much to me

[cloud locust]

this?
#screenshots message

that's develops horizantally right?

you cant go up

[sacred summit]

I relied on verticality quite a bit, to avoid feeling like I needed to lift everything off the ground to make it wide and sprawling.

[prisma thicket]

If you make a manifold and then attach conveyor lifts to the outputs, you can use that to feed multiple floors of production, assuming your belt speed is high enough

[arctic swallow]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1376166773933477922

[cloud locust]

those are all mergers right?

[sacred summit]

My version: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1376167424256114768/image.png

[arctic swallow]

spliters

[sacred summit]

Mirrored on the other side, merged and coming back down the floors

[stray patio]

its just a chill game. i think thats why. it didnt seem to complex

Computer factory is killing me

[sacred summit]

Foundry is good, a bit closer to "3d factorio" than Satisfactory is, but simplified a bit. Also it's focused on creating components for simulated intergalactic trade/economy.

[stray patio]

i liked the little play test i had

[sacred summit]

Yeah, 100%

[prisma thicket]

I think the limited resources would frustrate the hell out of me lol

[sacred summit]

One that was left out of the list earlier of comparable games is Captain of Industry, and that should be at least a felony act.

[stray patio]

it didnt seem to complex or neither did you need to think much. you could just do your stuff

[sacred summit]

I'm the polar opposite man. One of the core design elements I dislike about Satisfactory (even though it's a necessity) is the infinite resources.

I mean, I get it, Satisfactory is for a slightly different player/crowd, it's intended to appeal a bit more to the (for lack of a better phrase) "Creative mode" crowd.

And they do it well.

[stray patio]

#screenshots thats my progress on the computer factory. Dont mind the fluid buffers to the left thats something else

[coarse geode]

are fused modular frames a hard build?

[hard ivy]

Yeah, one of the main reasons why I prefer playing Satisfactory over Factorio

[sacred summit]

But that's something I like about Dyson Sphere, Factorio, Captain of Industry, Foundry... basically all of the genre except for Satisfactory and Shapez.

[prisma thicket]

Depends on what you consider hard. I actually found them relatively easy, especially when compared to something like radio control units. But I don't know what your scale of difficulty in this game is.

[hard ivy]

Thankfully Space Age makes it a non-issue so I started playing factorio again

[sacred summit]

i thought they had a built in setting for infinite resources :thonk:
I've never used it, so I could be wrong, but I would've lost money on that bet if not.

[coarse geode]

making heavy modulars is hard enough already bc of the pipes beams and such

[hard ivy]

About as hard as anything that takes aluminum

[sage wind]

But in factorio you can literally copy and paste an entire miner and smelter setup and train stop in 30 seconds

[prisma thicket]

If heavy modular frames are difficult for you, then yes Fused will be hard, since it requires HMFs to build.

[coarse geode]

oh god i need to make more aluminium

even more pipes that are bugged

[sacred summit]

And blueprints that, in in-game context, aren't limited to barely half the size of a gnat's ass.

[hard ivy]

Pipes aren't bugged. All pipe issues are skill issues

That said, the experience required to not have the aforementioned skill issues is several hundred hours probably

[coarse geode]

when i bring in 8 times the required amount of water and all the pipes are empty its most definitely not my fault

[hard ivy]

When someone else can bring in exactly what's required and not have issues, and you can't, it is your fault

[prisma thicket]

That sounds like you're lacking a pump somewhere

[hard ivy]

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that pipes as they are are perfect or even ok, but they're workable

[sacred summit]

Persoanlly, I think we really need to strive to reach a slightly higher standard than "well, technically you can kind force-fuck them into working right" before we go off making "Every single issue is a skill issue" comments. 😅

Maybe I'm alone in that thought.

[coarse geode]

pipes arent the only thing thats bugged

[hard ivy]

I haven't had a single pipe related issue in like 2 years. Every single setup I've built since then worked first try. So it's totally possible to learn how to use them

But I've been playing since before pipes were added and have 1.5k+ hours

[prisma thicket]

It's not necessarily about forcing things, it's actually more about precision and finesse with pipes, making sure you have adequate headlift for any vertical changes, covering for backflow issues, managing flow rates. It takes a bit of know-how, but it's not rocket science.

[broken thorn]

Tbh the whole argument to add a mk6 belt was to get max output from mk3 pure nodes

[fresh wharf]

yeah use splitters

[broken thorn]

You can't attach those to miners

[fresh wharf]

well the mk3 nodes do produce more than the belts can get out

[hard ivy]

So I think it's totally valid for me to say that not being able to get pipes to work is a skill issue, but the skill required is absolutely way too fucking high

[broken thorn]

How 😭

[prisma thicket]

Agreed

[broken thorn]

I built a simple aluminium setup with 7 machines and I already had pipe issues

[fresh wharf]

so far my only pipe problems have been storage
therefore piping is perfect

[broken thorn]

I had to add like 3 valves and verticality for it to work

[coarse geode]

pipes are bugged, belts are bugged, trucks are bugged aswell as trains

[broken thorn]

Belts always worked fine for me. What's your problem exactly ?

[prisma thicket]

Pipes aren't bugged, belts are only bugged on experimental, trucks are finnicky and trains are fine.

[broken thorn]

I'm on experimental and I haven't noticed any bug with belts

[coarse geode]

they just stop transporting items

[prisma thicket]

Occasionally you'll build a merger/splitter connection and it just won't work, and you can't tell until you have stuff running through it.

[sacred summit]

It's simple... The average four year Bachelor's Degree comes out to roughly 1800 hours, based on 120 credit hours, 15 week courses and one hour/week of class time.
He's played +1,500 hours.

So, literally play enough to have earned yourself a bachelor's degree in the game, and you, too, can have the skill to use pipes.

[hard ivy]

[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER SOUND]

[fresh wharf]

1800 hours? Exactly my playtime

And exactly as long as it took for me to get from tier 1 to tier 2

[sturdy mural]

guys are there still like issues with pipe holes? cuz i am gonna make like a 120M tall building with a pipe going thru it

[broken thorn]

Nah, that's how long it took for me to get from tier 6 to 7

[prisma thicket]

As of 1.0 the flow rate issues with pipe floor holes has been fixed.

[coarse geode]

why does aluminium take so many pipes its just unnecessary when they know they dont work

[prisma thicket]

It takes 2 pipes, and they work just fine if built correctly.

[coarse geode]

and thats 2 too many

[fresh wharf]

yeah lets delete all pipes and conveyors
so complicated sigh

[coarse geode]

they just need to fix them

[sturdy mural]

i bet you'd LOVE a modpack that would turn all fluid inputs into packaged fluid inputs, and also add 2 another slots to each machine for canisters to deal with the empty canister input/output

[fresh wharf]

you'd love a modpack that instantly finished phase 5 for you

[sturdy mural]

i just built a first nuclear power plant
dear god and i thought the fuel gen is big

[broken thorn]

Let's uninstall and have a mutual conscious dream where we play Satisfactory without bugs !!

[sacred summit]

I mean, respectfully, we're in both this and Factorio discord... and a quick look shows that all you've done is complain about the difficulty/complexity of both...

There's a common denominator in the situations... that isn't the game.

[fresh wharf]

yeah but then theres no clipping therefore no spaghetti therefore hell

[coarse geode]

ah fuck this game, everythings bugged anyway why do i even waste my time with it

[sturdy mural]

uhh guys can i check where exactly a fuse popped

[twilit remnant]

right now i produce 9K MW and im planning to build more generator to produce at least 10K MW but i was wondering if should i invest on fuel gen or coal gen

[cloud locust]

can i see where the machine outputs is going

[prisma thicket]

One fuel generator produces more power than 3 coal generators, so it's better to invest in fuel generators in the long run. That being said, you can squeeze quite a bit of power out of a maxed out coal power plant.

[arctic swallow]

no where i just made it to show you how to make it on the input, the output will be the same just instead of spliters you use mergers

[reef basin]

*GW

[twilit remnant]

i usually overclock all gens to reduce space, is this a waste or makes sense?

[prisma thicket]

If you have the spare power shards and can produce enough to feed the overclocked generators, it's absolutely worth it.

[sacred summit]

I know you asked @arctic swallow , but my design is similar and complete (they just threw the example together real quick) so I could show you on mine...
The same way the input splits off, and then uses a lift to go up each floor, the output merges into one, and uses a lift to go back down to the first floor... you can even see on the bottom left where they convey into the other room: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1376176852770492556/image.png

If you need to see, let me know and I'll load the game up real quickly

[cloud locust]

does ImKibitz play vanilla satisfactory?

[prisma thicket]

His current playthrough has no mods, but he's on experimental to use some of the new tools that are coming with 1.1

[cloud locust]

damn this game has a lot of content then

[sacred summit]

What are some of the more promising features coming from 1.1?

[cloud locust]

props to the dev

[sacred summit]

Yeah, all the things you could say about the game, "the devs half assed it" isn't one of them.

[hollow anvil]

does anyone know where the menu shot was taken

[prisma thicket]

Vertical splitters and mergers, infinite nudge, vertical nudge, auto-connecting blueprints for belts/pipes, Personnel elevators

[sacred summit]

ooooh, yeah, that's definitely a game changer

So a "real" vertical split/merge. That I definitely like

[hollow anvil]

i would love if rails were included into that blueprints thing

[prisma thicket]

I think they are, I just forgot about them lol my bad

[hollow anvil]

i was sad when i realised it isnt already included

[sacred summit]

If I could Hologram lock a rail, then infini-nudge it to exactly where I want it, that would instantly improve my desire to continue playing lol

[prisma thicket]

I think it's just a made up scene for the menu

[hollow anvil]

id also love like biplanes or drivable drones

[prisma thicket]

Why, you have a jetpack and hypertube cannons lol

[hollow anvil]

its just really cool

[prisma thicket]

Lol fair point

[hollow anvil]

and ive never used a hypertube cannon

i think im only gonna use it for nuclear waster to launch myself out of the map

[prisma thicket]

I would avoid that, since anything you drop while in midair just stays there, and it will start to cause the game to lag if you do it too much 😛

[cloud locust]

whats the easiest way to place a foundation on top of a machine

[sacred summit]

The easiest way would be to build pillars or foundations or walls next to it, until it's high enough, then build foundations from that

Some are different height, you just have to learn them. Like constructors are about 8.5 meters tall, so you know if you build walls 10 meters high, you can build the foundation/floor on that 9m-10m space and be just over the top of it.

[nova shuttle]

can someone help me with an error?

plugin EOSShared

[prisma thicket]

The ones that are a real pain to build over top of are generators, refineries, particle accelerators and anything of that size. Refineries are 31m tall, so you need minimum of 8 4m foundations up to get above them.

[prisma thicket]

That might be something for the #1038092680493801533 channel

[nova shuttle]

okay i have a post now

[sacred summit]

I'm saved from those though. In my head, those belong outdoors anyway 😅

Well, the refineries and generators... not the particle accelerators lol

[prisma thicket]

Yah, though sometimes you may want to build above them anyways, to do like "fluid processing" on one level and "solids processing" on another, to limit headlift problems.

[nova shuttle]

its fixed

[peak wasp]

or, or, A-10 Warthog

the fauna needs some freedom

freedom from their resources

[stark bluff]

guys is it rare to get a nuke thing from a lizard doggo?

[peak wasp]

seriously though i would love a glider/wingsuit mode for the hoverpack

[swift kernel]

I've gotten two

[stark bluff]

yeh same, but it seems strange ive never heard of it, im just completing phase 2

[swift kernel]

To specifically get that isn't common, but it's also not especially rare. It's just as likely as anything else they'll give you

Lizard Doggos are able to give you parts you can't otherwise get

Sometimes you can even get powerslugs

[sacred summit]

A wingsuit would be interesting

[stark bluff]

oh, well time to wait until i think tier 8?

[stray patio]

#screenshots so about my Computer factory..

[stark bluff]

nvm im confused

[stray patio]

it has the same chances of dropping as any item

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message Nice and clean, proud of this.

[stark bluff]

ohhh, thx

[stray patio]

🙏

[stark bluff]

this game is so addicting

[atomic notch]

Yea

[prisma thicket]

That's some serious spaghetti you got going there xD

[atomic notch]

I couldnt get my train to work yesterday but i can prolly get it today. Think its just too long

[stray patio]

@sacred summit i got confused haha. That was my Solution

[prisma thicket]

Also, if you want to link directly to your screenshot, right click the message and copy message link, then paste in chat here.

[stray patio]

Yup barely had enough space

[stray patio]

ahh okay thanks

btw the back is way worse i think.

#screenshots message

[sacred summit]

Oh well fuck your overzealous bot. 🤣

[stray patio]

Dont ask why its so far out please

[sacred summit]

I can't even look at you the same 😭 😭

[prisma thicket]

Lol you build the way you want to, I'm not gonna criticize lol

[stray patio]

its my first Time ive gotten this far 🤣

i gave up my old save because manufacturer was too much for me. IM TRYING!!!

[hollow anvil]

:(

[sacred summit]

Agreed. I won't criticize the way you build.
I may judge you as a human being, but I will not critize the build.

[stray patio]

pure sadness

[hollow anvil]

please mark as nsfw next time

[stray patio]

it´ll look better in the future.

[stray patio]

😂

i didnt know how big it would get. and i decided to build in the smallest spot imaginable

[sacred summit]

No worry man. One of the reasons I spend so little time at my "hub" base is how destroyed my friend has made it with tubes and whatnot

[prisma thicket]

Don't worry, I have almost 800 hours in this game and I've only just started to wrap my head around logistics for manufacturers lol

[hollow anvil]

i used to have total spaghetti until i showed one of my friends who also plays satisfactory my coal generator plant

[sacred summit]

So my build isn't exactly free of despair

[hollow anvil]

and he showed me how to organise stuff and that the ficsit shop is actually really useful

[stray patio]

wait. yall have friends who play this? 😭

[hollow anvil]

yeah he introduced me to the game

[stray patio]

i started alone

[prisma thicket]

Not me 😭

[sacred summit]

Co-op is the only reason I've played as long as I have, tbh

[hollow anvil]

i play the game alone but he just introduced me

[stray patio]

60h on this save and im alone ;(

[hollow anvil]

i organise stuff better by myself because otherwise its too many resources to spread out when i played with my other friends

[hollow anvil]

231h on this one

and its the furthest ive gotten

im making turbo motors rn

and its made me fall in love with trains more than ever before

every single reset i do my transport gets way better each time and now ive gone full into trains

[stray patio]

idek how to properly use trains. i messed with them on my old save but idk

[hollow anvil]

its honestly really intuitive when you get to know how they work

[stray patio]

i havent used any automation by vehicles yet

[hollow anvil]

imo trucks suck and i havent used drones yet but their capacity seems really small

[stray patio]

5 computers per min is decent tho isnt it?

[hollow anvil]

yeah thats pretty good

[prisma thicket]

Absolutely

[hollow anvil]

ive got 10 going i think on the edge of the desert

[prisma thicket]

Drones are best used for low throughput items or items with high stack counts.

[stray patio]

hm

[hollow anvil]

i was gonna use drones for nuclear power to transport the fuel to a safer place

[stray patio]

i have yet to unlock em

[hollow anvil]

but im planning on making 600 per min so im not sure how many ill need

[prisma thicket]

600 per minute of what?

[hollow anvil]

every time with transport ive overexaggerated how much ill need and always end up with spare wagons on my trains

[hollow anvil]

uranium ore

mk3 miner overclocked to max on a normal node

[prisma thicket]

That might be better for a train tbh

You can definitely do it with drones, but it'd probably be much less hassle with a train.

[hollow anvil]

yeah but i really wanted to use them for something

ill figure something out eventually

[stray patio]

#screenshots message this is hurting my head

[hollow anvil]

yucky yucky i hate using satis tools for making factories

[prisma thicket]

Since it stacks to 500, you could use the drones to transport uranium waste to a processing facility away from your nuclear plant

[stray patio]

ithink i should consider getting trains for resource transportation

[stray patio]

what do you use if not your head?

[hollow anvil]

i use satisfactoryproductionplanner for making factories and just figure out the conveyor transport myself

aw

[stray patio]

from SCIM?

[hollow anvil]

no idea

[prisma thicket]

is the website satisfactory-calculator.com?

[hollow anvil]

no its satisfactoryproductionplanner . com

[stray patio]

yall finna hate me 😭

[hollow anvil]

you put in what you want, how much you want per min and it shows all the needed resources

[stray patio]

#screenshots message

[hollow anvil]

shows how many buildings you need and where all the outputs go, and i like it more cus all the conveyor lines on satisfactory calculator confuse me

[prisma thicket]

Damn, you got to computers with only 1200 MW? Nicely done lol

[stray patio]

i always wanted to expand. didnt feel like it

[hollow anvil]

i had like 2400MW coal power generator and when i made my motor factory i think my max consumption was 8000Mw

im not sure how

[stray patio]

Sorry Mr. Satisfactory 😭

[prisma thicket]

My current playthrough I have 5500 MW from 48 coal generators and 1 power augmenter

[hollow anvil]

#screenshots message this is my power rn

[cyan moss]

Finished t4 last night still and still under 1200 consumption

[old yarrow]

How the hell are you guys keeping your power so low

[hollow anvil]

ive got a main power factory with like 72 fuel generators or smn, and then ive got some extra fuel generators from factories that make heavy oil residue byproduct

[stray patio]

by not building more

[old yarrow]

No i mean like how do you live with that

[hollow anvil]

you mean so much lower than max cons? by afking a lot and clogging factories

[stray patio]

ask my factory idk

[old yarrow]

lmao, i saw one idk whos that is the max cons was like double the production

[timid rune]

power consumption would have been a bit more if each phase is calculated by a sustained input rate over 10 minutes rather than a fixed number

tbf you could cheese that though

[hard ivy]

That'd still be a fixed number lol

[hollow anvil]

do you guys make temporary factories for phase parts where you bring the resources yourself

[hard ivy]

Just stock up and use a limiter

[prisma thicket]

Used to, but now I just automate them since you need all the earlier project parts for later phases.

[coarse geode]

spent almost a day building a factory just for it not to work because trains, pipes and belts are bugged to oblivion, thats it im uninstalling this shit game

[hollow anvil]

i think im gonna do that for phase 5

[hard ivy]

For P1-P4 yes. For P5 I want to do a full factory. Not because I think it's needed but because I just want to

[old yarrow]

I did that too, but its annoying cuz a lot of next phase parts require previous phase parts

[hard ivy]

Thanks to sloops, I'm pretty sure you need fewer smart plating for phase 5 than phase 1

I don't see a practical reason to automate them

[prisma thicket]

Wow, been a while since I had to ignore someone on discord.

[prisma thicket]

Massive sink points when storage overflows? lol

[cyan moss]

1050 smart plating just to leave phase 4 but ok

[hollow anvil]

what languages do you guys play in if not english?

[arctic swallow]

polish

[coarse geode]

how can my pipes all be empty when theres 5x the required amount coming in???? it makes no sense

[knotty wasp]

Hewwo everyone: I got a small question. is it possiable to make a splitter take 1 part to left and then 8 to middle before taking 1 to left again?

[hollow anvil]

booyah

[prisma thicket]

No unfortunately

[old yarrow]

just do overflow itll do that eventually

[hollow anvil]

yeah

[coarse geode]

load balancer 🧠

[hollow anvil]

you dont need splitters to be balanced

just use manifolds and theyll eventually overflow to the correct amount

• if you overflow the inputs yourself itll be way faster

[knotty wasp]

what is manifolds?

[old yarrow]

patience is a virtue or something

[hollow anvil]

splitters in a straight line basically

hold on ill send an example in a sec

[atomic notch]

!wikisearch manifold

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[hollow anvil]

ok there

lol

[coarse geode]

omg

making V8's seems like so much fun

[knotty wasp]

that is awhat im doing with the splitters atm

[old yarrow]

I have never heard of an injection manifold

[hollow anvil]

i think im gonna use an injection mainfold with my turbo motor factory for water because i need 740~ per minute and pipes only carry 600

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys there is a Dismantle Crate in 0.0.0 coordinates.

Is there any way to get rid of it?

[arctic swallow]

it's good when your belts don't have enought speed

[hollow anvil]

upload your map into satisfactory tools and remove it, at least i think it would have a tool like that

[mortal ginkgo]

I see. Tysm

[hard ivy]

Eh, you have to be careful with them because it's not that hard to mess up and have it not work. I use balancers for that instead. Those always work

[hard ivy]

SCIM, not satisfactory tools. Tools is only a calculator

[old yarrow]

Ohh, I rarely encounter that

[arctic swallow]

i just forgot i can underclock machines

[hard ivy]

Underclocking requires extra math and often extra machines. I don't like it

[arctic swallow]

math is fun until it isn't

[hard ivy]

Math is fun when it's difficult and I only have to do it once. If it's easy and I have to do a similar thing over and over again, it's boring

[coarse geode]

math is fun if it would actually work

[sacred summit]

aFor what it's worth @stray patio, I've been judging you while having this monstrosity in my game: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1376200253295824966/image.png

Last time there was a crime this bad against humanity, there was a world war.

Honestly, probably one of the biggest contributors to me going back to COI & DSP... With SF mechanics, tearing that dowan and rebuilding it is like a 20 hour project lol

[hollow anvil]

when hypertube splitters are released i might actually use them for transport

[coarse geode]

when is it smarter to bring in items from somewhere else rather than making them in house, more advanced stuff that already takes 3 or 4 steps

[twilit remnant]

which are the best bullets to use?

[hollow anvil]

i use turbo for everything but normal bullets might be better for small targets

[prisma thicket]

Depends on what you're shooting at

[twilit remnant]

brief explanation?

[sacred summit]

I think it's purely preferential.

Making everything on site requires bigger bases.
Shipping intermediates all over the planet requires more comprehensive logistics chains.****

Which problem would you rather deal with is the question

[prisma thicket]

Homing ammo is best for stingers, since they are quick and move a lot, turbo ammo is better for big beefy targets like nuclear hogs, and regular is good for everything in between.

[coarse geode]

i was thinking about starting with ingots and plates and stuff but since trains are still bugged i guess it wont happen

[sacred summit]

Then just make them all on site

[supple canopy]

homing for the hatchers fly too

little tippity taps and they're gone so easily

[prisma thicket]

Good point, didn't think of that one.

[sacred summit]

Schedule 1 player spotted 😅

[sturdy mural]

guys anyone else calculates node purity by how much "pure" nodes are there? like if there are 2 normal and 1 pure nodes, it's 2 pure nodes

[steep scarab]

#screenshots

[prisma thicket]

Is the train station powered?

[reef basin]

no I don't, since:

• I calculate from end product, not from raw resources
• I don't care how I get the ore, I care about the per minute

[steep scarab]

yes

[prisma thicket]

Are you on experimental or stable?

[cyan garnet]

Trains are not bugged

[knotty wasp]

Me again is there a way to auto flush? Pic in #screenshots

[steep scarab]

stable with a friend in my game

[cyan garnet]

No. You have to come up with a way to deal with byproduct, not store it

[reef basin]

there's no way to autoflush, nor should it be needed

[cyan garnet]

You have several options: use the water in recipes that need it like wet concrete, package and sink it, burn it in a coal generator

[knotty wasp]

my way was to use it for alacad but storage for thoses is full

[cyan garnet]

I’m assuming this is aluminum production byproduct

[reef basin]

sink excess alclad

[knotty wasp]

yes

[steep scarab]

stable

[prisma thicket]

Try deleting the belt and re-attaching it, or maybe feed directly from the miner instead of from the merger.

[cyan garnet]

@steep scarab check and make sure your station is not backwards

[steep scarab]

can i use trains to move coal?

[cyan garnet]

There is a light on the side of the freight platform that will be lit up if it’s connected to the station properly

Yes trains can move coal, why wouldn’t they?

[last jungle]

lizard doggo

[dense violet]

you can feed it back into your aluminium system too

blue is fresh water, red is the waste #1347741162018046083 message
just clock the groups right

[craggy zephyr]

hey would anyone wanna peek my stream on discord and give me some advice on building im trying to make something curved for the first time while also makeing my first giant factory

[steep scarab]

ok

[hollow hazel]

@potent berry #screenshots message
That would be interesting to see a drone slaloming between that. Or even "air traffic" where drones go one way through one ring and the other way through the other ring.

However, I am now picturing something else. Slaloming Pioneers! 😄
How? You weave a Hypertube through them, then use a mod to make the tube invisible.

[potent berry]

yea, no mods on builds i share with the community. 😊 I only use mods that allows me to build vanilla friendly stuff. But nice idea tho.

[hollow hazel]

Then I guess it is just to have fun with a hoverpack.

[zenith pecan]

Imagine the challenges of managing air traffic if drones could crash into each other like trains can 🤣

[potent berry]

That can work 😊 hide a wire near the pillars, so it has power 😊

[hollow hazel]

🤔 I think the hoverpack also pulls from the tracks themselves...?

[potent berry]

Tracks are to high up i think ?!

[hollow hazel]

Hm... Yeah, distance...

[zenith pecan]

It did in the past, I used to hover down my old ingots trainline.

[potent berry]

I will go off chat again. Cheers for the chat and idea ❤️ Take care.

[zenith pecan]

Probably still does, I can't verify since I haven't tested since 1.0.

[hollow hazel]

Huh. I remember I did this when building a raised train line. Build a station, power it, then start dragging tracks. It was a bit finicky. Didn't register the track at first, and I think a shorter distance, but once connected I could hover there as I aligned the track to a pillar of foundations.

[stray patio]

Judging me for a factory 😔

how many fuel powered gen should i do per Oil thingy?

[hollow hazel]

yes 😆

[stray patio]

what

[hollow hazel]

Ok, how much Crude Oil can you get out per minute?
How much do refineries take per minute?
One divided into the other, and then how much comes out?
And how much do Fuel Gens take per minute?
Divide again and there's your answer.

[hard ivy]

There's no way to answer that question with a single number

[stray patio]

300 qubicmeters of oil

is that better?

[hard ivy]

Which fuel? Which recipes?

[stray patio]

Normal fuel

[hollow hazel]

So, follow the chain: From oil to refineries to fuel.

[sacred summit]

It depends on the quality of the oil deposit.

[hollow hazel]

He just said: 300 a min.

[stray patio]

Normal

[stray patio]

he meant if impure or not

[sacred summit]

yeah.

[hollow hazel]

Still, once you plop down an extractor it is the number it shows that is the most important to find out what the end product will be.

[last jungle]

should i go for mam research or awesome shop stuff

[sacred summit]

Per "impure oil deposit," you can answer that for the recipe.
Per "normal oil deposit," you can answer that for the recipe.
Per "pure oil deposit," you can answer that for the recipe.

I can make up some other question, but to answer the question that was actually asked, that's the answer.

[hollow hazel]

There are MAM things that don't exist in the shop, and there are shop things that don't exist in the MAM.

[arctic swallow]

most things in shop are consmetics

but there are useful stuff

[sacred summit]

Incredibly useful things

Unless you're okay with sort of glitching some of those things into existence, which moots out some of the best Awesome shop items 😅

[sacred summit]

To be clear though, I didn't make that, the friend I've been playing with made that heinous contraption. I've had to bite my tongue and fight my urges to fix it ever since.

[hard ivy]

Why? Just fix it

[stray patio]

[sacred summit]

Because I consider going back, deleting entire projects that other people did just to redo them to my specification is kind of a dickhead thing to do.

[cloud locust]

Anyone got any clue why these conveyors move items like every 30 seconds?

#screenshots message

[hard ivy]

Probably because you're not removing them fast enough

[cloud locust]

hmmm

[sacred summit]

Is it possibly jammed up on the output side?

I.E. overproducing, not using enough, or a section of Mk1 conveyor somewhere down the line gumming up the works.

[cloud locust]

ah

i might be overproducing iron ingots

but the weird thing is that the constructor im feeding them to do not have a buffer

so i think the conveyors im using might be a bit slow?

#screenshots message

[hollow hazel]

Nah, surely a "merger" means one can just keep stacking iron ingots on top of each other to the skies, right? 😝

[cloud locust]

yea i think i need faster conveyors

[hard ivy]

You have at least twice as many smelters as the belt can handle (assuming it's a mk2, I can't tell)

[cloud locust]

mk1

and 8 smelters

[hard ivy]

How much is 8×30?

[pearl walrus]

Rookie mistake🗨

[lime ermine]

240

He needs at least mk 3 or 4

[hollow hazel]

mk1 conveyor: 60 items a minute
Smelters: 30 items a minute
30 x 8 > 60.

[pearl walrus]

Rest in peace Iron plate production😵‍💫

[cloud locust]

idk it seems to work

[atomic notch]

Cool

[cloud locust]

its this that weirded me out

[hard ivy]

If it's a mk1, you could have 2 smelters instead of 8 and it'd work the same

[sacred summit]

It works, it's just not necessary

There is a counter argument to make, that you are future proofed now a bit, but that's on you.

You have it laid down, and now when you upgrade to Mk2/3/4 conveyors and extractors, it'll just utilize more of your throughput

If it was me, I'd just claim that was my plan all along 😛

[atomic notch]

If it was me id completely ignore that kyo guy

[hollow hazel]

Btw, I have just discovered THE use for the double-decker containers. Not reliable as a splitter, but if you are producing as much as a conveyor's capacity and need to empty into a train platform faster than it is being filled, then you connect both outputs to both of the train's inputs.
With that knowledge, I now need to redesign all my train stations.

[sacred summit]

Aren't you still limited by the throughput of the conveyor that's feeding the storage container?

Or am I misunderstanding that one?

[atomic notch]

Yeah but its like a fast fill

The storage unit fills up thrn when train takes it you get 2 belts dumping it in

[hard ivy]

Train stations pause their input/output belts during loading/unloading, so to get maximum throughput, you need a buffer container connected with 2 belts to the platform

[sacred summit]

ahhh, the pause I wasn't aware of. That makes sense.

[hollow hazel]

So, even if you are only producing one input's worth, to reduce the loading time of a train you connect both 'puts.

[hard ivy]

If you're only loading half a belt per platform, then it probably doesn't matter, but if more, the buffer will likely be beneficial

[pearl walrus]

Why do you love balncers so much

[sacred summit]

Balancing feels better than manifolds IMO

[hard ivy]

Because they do math for me

[sacred summit]

Not that it matters in the end, but just seeing things evenly go down individual lines like that feels really nice

[hard ivy]

I'm doing manifolds too. With balancers.

[sacred summit]

Why not balancers with balancers?

[hard ivy]

Because I'm doing belt balancers, not load balancers

[sacred summit]

Balanception

[hard ivy]

Because load balancers can be replaced with manifolds, and belt balancers can't

[pearl walrus]

Wheres the difference im confused

I thought you mean splitting belts so each corresponds to one machines input

[hard ivy]

Load balancers have either 1 belt of input, or 1 belt of output. Belt balancers have multiple inputs and multiple outputs

[pulsar radish]

sup guys

[atomic notch]

I just do injection manifolds haha

[pulsar radish]

anyone wanna start a world together? havent played for a while and solo gets boring quick ngl

[atomic notch]

#1201555265942724758

[pulsar radish]

my bad

[atomic notch]

Is alright

[sacred summit]

Well, load balancers function that way

If you send 10 units down a belt with a five-way load balancer, each line will get 2 of those units.
If you send 10 units down a belt with 5 splitters:

• First will get 5
• Second will get 3
• Third will get 1
• Fourth will get 1
• Fifth will get 0

EVENTUALLY once all the lines are packed, assuming you're producing enough, they'll start going into each machine evenly anyway... But load balancing does it from the gate.

[atomic notch]

Injection skips all that and you just drop it all on the same manifold

[pearl walrus]

Makes sense

[hard ivy]

Used to do it but it requires more math and planning so I don't anymore

[atomic notch]

Yeah

Im always doin math and planning

[pearl walrus]

Can you post a screenshot of a balancer? Im confused on how youre doing less math than using manifolds

[last jungle]

what even is a balancer

[hard ivy]

I am using manifolds. Just not infecting them

https://imgur.com/a/j8fEcRv

[hard ivy]

All the balancers I've used in my U8 nuke plant

[sacred summit]

A balancer is where one input is divided evenly into multiple outputs.

[hard ivy]

A device that connects all inputs to all outputs all with equal priority

[sacred summit]

True, doesn't have to be one input, but that's how most people use them I think

[pearl walrus]

Well thats thorough

[sacred summit]

This is a different game, but if you're familiar with it, you can see that the way this splits and merges different lines, each of the 12 outputs will get the exact same number of items from EACH of the 12 inputs.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1376234023810105374/sq65va6nxhg01.png

[gritty shoal]

can this rock be blown up? its blocking my facotry space... #design-and-architecture

[hard ivy]

Really useful because equal priority doesn't necessarily mean equal amounts. If one output backs up, the items automatically get redistributed to other outputs

[atomic notch]

I got all sorts of belting nonsense goin on in my world lol

[zenith pecan]

Could be worse, I'll have 21 belts of bauxite arriving in the dunes once completed.

[hard ivy]

21:21 balancer? 🤨

[gritty shoal]

how do i place belts side by side perfectly

[cyan garnet]

press R to switch belt build modes. use "straight" build mode

you can also hold ctrl when running a belt to keep it going in one direction as you drag it (this works for pipes and rails too)

last tip: build everything on foundations and use the foundations as a grid/guide

[cunning merlin]

So I have a sound bar that is pretty loud and then my power grid ran out of power because generators failed due to a lack of fuel and you won’t believe how absurdly loud it was to hear the fuse go off. Luckily, I guess you could say it’s good that it doesn’t come out of all speakers in my set up, but boy, it was loud.

[hallow goblet]

Is there a way to retrieve a save from the experimental- to the actual version of the game? Does it work if I delete the things that have to with the experimental version?

[cunning merlin]

from a modded perspective, that is a stupid idea, but from a gameplay vanilla perspective, I think it could be possible, but beware of corruption and missing machines save corruption can cause the game to crash and worst yet, you could completely destroy a save. But modded machines will disappear normally if the mods are removed so I don’t see why machines from the newer version wouldn’t do the same thing.

[swift kernel]

Imagining it right now and that's hilarious

[hallow goblet]

Thanks for that

[cunning merlin]

It was very loud luckily it only came out of the two front speakers with my DIY 5.1 set up with voice meter and windows.

But yeah, it only came out of the two left right speakers from what I could tell since they are louder than the echo dot center speaker

[gusty patio]

Anyone got a good aluminium factory layout they prefer

[cunning merlin]

You can easily find some premade for you on the satisfactory calculator in the form of blueprints.

[cyan garnet]

no, it's simply not possible. you did back up your saves before switching to experimental, right?

[cyan garnet]

IMHO, you should try to figure it out yourself rather than using a layout/blueprint that someone else made

the aluminum production chain (and dealing with the byproduct) is one of the more challenging but rewarding builds in the game

[cunning merlin]

yeah, in reality, it’s all down to your preference.

[cyan garnet]

just my 2 cents

you can use a production planner such as SF tools to help with the math/numbers https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[zenith pecan]

No balancer, each belt is going to its own refinery group with no crossover.

[proper field]

guys, i juste reached 560 km/h in with a train

[hallow goblet]

Nope

[cyan garnet]

well that was an unfortunate warning to ignore

the good news is that your save will continue to work on 1.1 once it is released and comes out of experimental

but there is no way to "go back"

[hallow goblet]

So it will work once it is out of experimental?

[cyan garnet]

literally what I just said

it's the version difference that is preventing you from going backwards, moreso than being experimental

once a save is 1.1 it can't be used on 1.0 or older

[hallow goblet]

Alright thanks for that

[cyan garnet]

np. is there something in experimental that is preventing you from playing? the point of the branch is to help the devs find bugs and issues before release

so if you are encountering something, you should report it at the QA site to help them out. there's also #satisfactory-experimental to discuss the exerimental branch specifically

[stray patio]

if i deconstruct the space elevator will i lose the progress?

[cyan garnet]

no

same thing with the hub, you won't lose progress on milestones when you deconstruct the hub

[hard ivy]

and the mam. really useful when exploring - you can throw in a drive you just found, dismantle the mam and move on

[stray patio]

#screenshots message how would i build this?

@sacred summit helpp

[hollow hazel]

5x smelters
6x constructors (one at 50%)
and 3x constructors (one at 25%)

[atomic notch]

Build tool

[stray patio]

thanks i built everything by hand

[sacred summit]

Any decimal number means you should round up... so 5.5, build 6.... 3.25, build 4.

You can put the extra ones down to 50% and 25% respectively, but I personally recommend just balancing them all out evenly.

[reef basin]

or you can make two groups of smelters, each one making the exact amount of ingots needed for one step

[stray patio]

ah okay

[hard ivy]

round everything up to the nearest whole number, leave all at 100% (assuming there's a bottleneck available later), use a single splitter for the items (assuming you have a fast enough belt), use a balancer if you don't

[stray patio]

no wait im confused again

do i split of some iron from the smelters for the plates?

[reef forge]

#screenshots message any takers

[atomic notch]

Damn

[hard ivy]

automated miner and that's it lol

[sacred summit]

Yes. It's telling you that those 5 smelters will feed each.

The 5 smelters will make a total of 150 iron ingots per minute: 82.5 per minute need to go to plates; and the other 67.5 per minute need to go to rods.

No need to split them up and do all that extra shit if you make the 150 and can carry them all on a belt with enough throughput

[stray patio]

god is this confusing me

[hard ivy]

you need iron for plates. and there's an arrow from the iron smelterst to the iron plates

[stray patio]

im slowly understanding

i thought i wouldve had to build 7 constructors

[atomic notch]

It literally tells u everything haha

[sacred summit]

Nope, a total of 9 constructors

[stray patio]

..

[stray patio]

what the fuck

[hollow hazel]

No, you don't have to build 7 constructors. You have to build 9 constructors.

[stray patio]

#screenshots message this is what i have rn

[atomic notch]

🧠

[sacred summit]

You need to build 5.5 constructors for Plates... since you can't build a HALF of a constructor, you need to build 6.
You need to build 2.25 constructors for Rods... since you can't build a QUARTER of a constructor, you need to build 3.
Total of 9.

[atomic notch]

Just put a small amount of critical thinking into it

[sacred summit]

The 5.5 can basically be read as "I need 5 running at 100% speed, and 1 running at 50% speed"
The 2.25 can basically be read as "I need 2 running at 100% speed, and 1 running at 25% speed"

[robust nymph]

Or overclock :p

[stray patio]

ill take that personally

[sacred summit]

Don't do that to them!! 🤣

But he's right, you could also overclock one to 150 percent instead of building the extra.

[stray patio]

what?

[hollow hazel]

Have they come to the point of being able to overclock?

[hard ivy]

or don't touch the clock speed at all and let them throttle themselves. that often works too

[stray patio]

im Phase 3.

[robust nymph]

You need like 2 yellow slugs to be able to overclock no?

[stray patio]

im "far"ish into the game ig

[hollow hazel]

And if everything is overclocked, how many slugs do you have left in the world? 😄

[robust nymph]

Judging from that screenshot, you are absolutely not

[sacred summit]

he's saying instead of building 6 constructors, you could build 5 and have one of them overclocked to 150% speed (which will still mathematically equal the same output)

[robust nymph]

And phase 3 is not far, sorry mate

[stray patio]

i meant MAM wise

[robust nymph]

There are like over 2.5k shards available, without using sloops to get more per slugs

And in the late game you can make them renewably

[stray patio]

Sorry Mr. Statisfactory

[hollow hazel]

Judging by those DimDepots, he's far from anything. 😛

[stray patio]

IM TRYING TO MAKE HEAVY MODULAR FRAMES OKAY?

[hollow hazel]

Ok... Take a deep breath... And math it out.

[sacred summit]

Regardless how far you are or aren't, if you're still in the process of trying to understand the game and that tool, the most straight-forward thing to do is build 6 constructors, and underclock one down to 50%.

TECHNICALLY it's more efficient to underclock them all by like 8.2% or something, but that's here nor there - it just saves a little more electricity.

Anything else is extra that you don't need to do right now

[hard ivy]

I hope, for your sake, that your plan for the HMFs involves exactly 0 screws

[robust nymph]

I’m just saying - you’re still in the early game. If you say you are far people will assume you’re at like tier 9, and then will give advice that might not be usable to you

[stray patio]

It wants me to use Screws.

[robust nymph]

It’s easier to use alt recipes in a way you don’t need them

But that’s up to you

[hard ivy]

because you didn't enable recipes that don't need screws

[stray patio]

i dont have anyalt recipes for Reinforced plates

[robust nymph]

I’d recommend getting some more before you try to make HMF

[sacred summit]

They're trying to explain more efficient ways to do it, that you only really know if you've already been told about it or played through it enough.
If you're already being confused by the basic recipe, probably best to ignore a whole bunch of suggestions to customize it and do it differently.

IMO
To be clear, it's good advice. Just probably not good advice for someone who's already confused.

[robust nymph]

there are many that make HMF much easier, including but not limited to solid steel, encased pipes, heavy encased frame

[hollow anvil]

is auto 2D actually good for anything

[robust nymph]

For pipes? Yeah

[hollow anvil]

in what case cus ive never used it

[hard ivy]

Heavy Encased Frame alone cuts the required iron amount and building count in half

[robust nymph]

It enables some awkward angles that other modes don’t

[atomic notch]

I just do noodle

[hollow anvil]

ive never encountered that

i usually just use noodle for it

[sacred summit]

I like it for its better "creases" in pipes.

I also like the "Horizontal then Vertical" mode

[atomic notch]

Cant wait for straight pipes

[stray patio]

so should i just stick to the normal way for now?

[atomic notch]

Yes

[hard ivy]

up to you

[atomic notch]

Learn how to set up a basic production line before u start doin fancy stuff

[sacred summit]

IMO, yes, but up to you.
I'd say follow the instructions you have.

The alt recipes are more efficient, and allow you to do it with a smaller facility, but I think it's just going to add more confusion.

[robust nymph]

Mainly noticed that with water pumps with very short pipes to junctions

[sacred summit]

Very short pipes 100%

[pine swallow]

can you fly around like in photomode or some other way?

[sacred summit]

You can.

[atomic notch]

Advanced game setting fly mode

[sacred summit]

You can also plummet when you start trying to take screenshots 🤣

So I've heard. 😶

[atomic notch]

I dont use photo mode i just hit print screen

[pine swallow]

oh hi i did a big powerplant😍

thx btw imma try

[pearl walrus]

I just take a photo of my screen through my phone🥺🤙

[sacred summit]

I hate the HUD and whatnot when I'm taking screenshots, so I use photo mode for that lol

[atomic notch]

Scuffed as hell

[pearl walrus]

Guys i have to😭

[atomic notch]

Windows shift s

[pine swallow]

i think i don't have it because it's like a really really old version

[stray patio]

okay i think i got it. No screenshot tho yall would HATE me.

And Pano would judge me even more

[hard ivy]

win+alt+print screen

[sacred summit]

What kinda Chef Boyardee Spaghetti and Meatballs shit did you do....?

[stray patio]

i´d rather only dm you this shit

[pearl walrus]

Alt+tab+Middle-mouse-Button on the tab youre trying to screenshot

[hard ivy]

huh, didn't know that

[stray patio]

dm me so i can send it

[pearl walrus]

Yeah you should try it!

[hard ivy]

I did. It's gonna be really useful

[pearl walrus]

[stray patio]

Reinforced iron platest with wire good?

[hard ivy]

yes

some might say the best

[pearl walrus]

Iron wire angle????

[hard ivy]

^

this is the most important alt for HMFs

[pearl walrus]

Ye so much steel tho🥺

[lime ermine]

I love this alt use it

[hard ivy]

less than the default lol

[pearl walrus]

Oh ok

Just saw that it was easiest on the MF so I didnt even bother checking other resource efficiencies, I just saw big steel number on my screen and went Gnarrrr

[hard ivy]

default is 5 EIB and 20 pipes, HEF is 3.333 EIB and 12 pipes each

[pearl walrus]

Oh sick

[hard ivy]

and 5 MF vs 2.666 MF

HEF takes slightly more concrete I think?

[pearl walrus]

Ye must be

[hard ivy]

but that's much better than 120 screws lol

[pearl walrus]

Heheh there will always be enough concrete on the map

[cyan garnet]

Advanced game settings is literally in the main menu of the game

“I have a really old version” what do you mean?

[reef forge]

alright i have encased industrial beams, motors, stators, and rotors all being automated so now i have to go to modular frames

[stray patio]

Nice man

[reef forge]

actually i think i need to automate steel beams and rods first

[stray patio]

yep both are needed

it´ll be anoying in the future if you dont do it now

[pearl walrus]

Working on the same thing right now, steel pipes*

[heavy juniper]

Is it known yet when ish 1.1 will be in stable?

[stray patio]

i just messed up big time

this whole factory omfg

[reef basin]

until they tell us in #announcements , no

[pearl walrus]

What did u do

[stray patio]

hard to explain in chat

[heavy juniper]

Thx, havent played in a while and contemplating if I should wait for 1.1 to start again or not

[pearl walrus]

Good chat

[stray patio]

like

nah i cant bother to explain lol

its too huge

[pearl walrus]

.....

[stray patio]

okay fk im confused could someone vc me real quick?

nvm i think i got an idea

[gritty shoal]

5 constructors consuming a total of 62.5 iron i have 3 smelters producing 90 how to i make the third smelter back up?

like i need the third smelter to just fill the extra 2.5 iron needed

and the rest goes to another line

but my other smelters keep backing up instead of the one i want

[stray patio]

Sorry, to much thinking for me.

[gritty shoal]

wait

isnt this just solved by a prioity merger

[stray patio]

probably idk

try it

[tender quarry]

probably 1 1 and 3 priority yea

[quick oak]

I'd need a picture to understand what's going on

If I'm understanding correctly, can't you just underclock the smelter so that it only consumes/produces 2.5, then make a fourth smelter doing the other 27.5 to send elsewhere

[gritty shoal]

.

[stray patio]

@sacred summit Im Done.

[trim vine]

Might seem silly

#screenshots message

@reef forge

but automating them miners saves you a ton of time, and you only really need a single assembler doing it

throw em in a dimensional depot and you good to go for the rest of the game

[reef forge]

oh alr thanks

[trim vine]

@quick oak How do you mean with that screenshot?

Are you saying bring over enough Rubber and plastic to kickstart the whole system, and then just use the resin for additional?

[sullen gull]

What do you all think, have drones from satellite facilities come get fuel, or have drones deliver out from the fuel depot....

I feel like the former would be 'better' as I can have multiple drones go to a single port. I feel if I did it the other way, it would take longer for one or two drones to go out and deliver everywhere and return ...

[quick oak]

yep. keeps decimals out of the system, allows for clean pipe/belt ratios, and allows flexibility with what you use resin for

[hard ivy]

using the resin for rubber is more oil efficient

[quick oak]

Indeed. though it also lets you use some for polyester fabric should you want to automate gas filters

[reef forge]

i love smart splitters

[quick oak]

agreed

[reef forge]

i've incorporated them into all my 6 automated parts for overflow into a sink

[cyan garnet]

The “fetch fuel” pattern definitely works well. Make a single drone port with fuel supply that all remote ports fetch from. Don’t build a drone directly on it, place all the drones remotely and manually fuel them one time for their first fetch run

[reef forge]

and they split specific resources into specific containers since i like putting all my automated things on one conveyor and splitting that into containers

[quick oak]

Sushi storage is a lot of fun. also keeps your sink lines much cleaner

[sullen gull]

OK cool. Thanks!

[trim vine]

I disgaree with the sushi belt, it does LOOK cool, but its much easier to add a sink at the start of a merger going to somewhere else, and just set the smart splitter down there, low impact on space, and can stop overflow closest to the source

[sullen gull]

There's no sure-fire way to calc how much fuel would be ample is there? Currently making 500/min packaged RF, but thinking that may not be enough ...

[trim vine]

when you say calculate, how do you mean?

Fuel per Drone trip?

[sullen gull]

If you want to see a save utilize sushi belts extremely well, check this world Kibitz showcased once:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Okq75_Zps

[sullen gull]

Not that so much as just how much I should produce overall. I think I am just going to wing it for now and see what 500/min with one port at the 'depot' will net me. I am thinking that I may want a min of 900/min, so that I can have a full drone bay every minute...

[reef forge]

alright i figured out how to automate steeled frames so that i produce both modular frames and reinforced iron plates at the same time so that kills 2 items with one factory

[cyan garnet]

500 packaged per minute is a LOT. You’ll be fine

Remember RF compresses 4:1

The best way to determine how much fuel you will use is unfortunately to build the drones and run them and see how much it consumes

[trim vine]

a really good way to test it; set up a worst case scenario

Build a drone port as far south as you can in the grasslands, and have it transport something basic like ore to the northern most part of the desert

Let that run for like 5 trips, and you'll see the fuel per trip cost, and just use that as your number for everything, you will overproduce, but thats ok in this scenario

^^^^ @cyan garnet said the same thing

[cyan garnet]

Fuel consumption is a function of distance and fuel type. RF has a good top speed and makes reasonably efficient use of the fuel

plutonium rods are the best drone fuel IMHO 😬

[sullen gull]

About the same as batteries from what I read?

[sullen gull]

Agreed, not there though yet this save lol

[cyan garnet]

RF and batteries have the same top speed yep

[trim vine]

37 speed, but the fuel value for RF is 7200, batteries are 6k

so SLIGHTLY more efficient on fuel

[sullen gull]

I wasn't worried so much about consumption as I was thinking that just having enough to supply full to the other locations. I figured once all the places had fuel stores, I would be set.

[trim vine]

I think it has already been said; each drone port at a factory or base should have a dedicated drone to bring in fuel from the fuel plant

it will overflow, sure, but thats the goal to ensure no gaps

[sullen gull]

Yeah, per @bones req, that's what I will be doing.

[cyan garnet]

I am able to run a reasonably large drone network off of 450 RF/min (112.5 packaged/min)

Multiple remote drone fueling fetchers across the map

[sullen gull]

Right on, I'll report back how it goes in a bit 🤣 Thanks 🙂

[trim vine]

pics please when done