satisfactory

[tall root]

Yep
I just ended up with 8-10 elite gas stingers all at once

[naive pendant]

The game has been out long enough that most things that can be requested have been requested is tldr. Even more so if it’s a Factorio feature as there is a lot of player overlap.

[sacred summit]

Combinators w/ the circuit & logistics networks are amazing though 😅

[tall root]

I've had this happen with other creatures as well
If they're already spawned in, and you load a save with them spawned in and there are no machines nearby to deactivate the spawn point they'll spawn again and you'll end up with twice as many as there are supposed to be

[clever pier]

i'm really impressed with the amount of clever QoL stuff in Dyson Sphere Project even though its been in development a lot less time

their blue print system is "chefs kiss"

anyway if you're playing 1.0 and not the experimental branch there is probably a mod for what you want

[lament vault]

I have 50 coupons. what is the best thing to buy or should I save them?

[fresh wharf]

Should I research production amplifier or alien power augmenter first?

[fresh wharf]

50 cups

[rapid wren]

the best thing is probably logistics options, then foundation options.

[sullen gull]

If you're early on, and haven't yet, the research into the dimensional depot is more worth while

[fresh wharf]

I already have the depot

[rapid wren]

my first buy is usually wall/roof conveyors and wall/roof power poles

[rapid wren]

aplifier

[fresh wharf]

Alright, thanks

[hard ivy]

ladder, floor holes, floor and ceiling attachments, ramps

[sullen gull]

Yeah, amplifier, to sloop slugs, biomass, remains.

[rapid wren]

500mw means litle, 1-2 geothermals or 1 fuel gen fixes that. doubling space elevator parts is insanely good

and as tinker said

floor holes is also a huge thing when you want to make multi-level factories

[hard ivy]

Yeah doubling space elevator parts makes project assembly a joke

P5 takes less rotors than P1

almost everything is easily handfed

no reason to automate any of them

[sullen gull]

Ugh, I would just love a decent 'layout' planner.

[fresh wharf]

Layout? Just use blueprints

[rapid wren]

i've begun blueprinting advanced parts, you can actually get that done on mk1 printer, on one floor

[sullen gull]

No, I mean, something that discerns how much space a group of buildings would take up, etc.

[rapid wren]

without cheese and clipping

[rapid wren]

idk if it is ever possible to know how much space 100 buildings need 😄 but with bluieprint you know exactly how much that part and that part needs. for example smart plating or motor

[sullen gull]

Right now I have about 136 refineries, 164 smelters, over 200 assemblers, and some others, that I have yet to place.

[hard ivy]

take the area from the wiki, multiply by number of machines, add like 20% and you've got an estimate

[rapid wren]

i just got steel rotor, so i will blueprint motor now.

[sullen gull]

And, trying to figure out the layout for all of this is becoming a bit of a nightmare heh

[rapid wren]

that's the best part of blueprinting, and multiple floor buoldings.

for example, i like to smelt everything next to the miners
then i like having simple parts floor 1, and elevate them up to floor 2 for the rest.

[sturdy mural]

guys can you run out of hard drives?

[hard ivy]

there's 5ish more HDDs than alts

[rapid wren]

if i did not always play in grass plains and rocky desert, i might be using a more modular approach, or 3-4 floors.

[zenith pecan]

No, there are more drives than there are alts.

[rapid wren]

not unless you delete them

[sturdy mural]

ooo thanks

[sullen gull]

It is a multi floor building, and blueprinting is not going work in this situation, As I don't want 'sections' of multiple machine. I am mining all the the bauxite in the world .

[sullen gull]

There are only 118 in the world.

[zenith pecan]

You have to be very deliberate at deleting them using the toilet, they cannot be naturally deleted nor sunk.

[sullen gull]

And only something like 113 alts or somthing .

[hard ivy]

You can buy them for 100 coupons apiece

[rapid wren]

didn't even know, it does not make sense to ever try 😄

good that you cant delete them easy tho

[zenith pecan]

I tend to test most things, old habit of many years of experimental tests.

[rapid wren]

oooh yeah

[lament vault]

can you build up to the space elevator?

[sullen gull]

You can build VERY high, but there is a 'ceiling'

[rapid wren]

#satisfactory message

apparently yeah

[zenith pecan]

About two kilometres give or take a couple.

[rapid wren]

maybe not build up to space, but you can launch yourself up to space

[sullen gull]

May get better 'luck' asking in #satisfactory-experimental

[tight pawn]

tx

[sullen gull]

If you're on 1.1 that is. Otherwise, you don't 😏

[sturdy mural]

so that's not a problem i guess #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

If you have already gotten all the alts, you will only see one. Unless you also need to progress a bit more to 'unlock' the rest of the alts.

Afaik, certain alts only join the 'pool' as you unlock the different things through the tiers.

[leaden ether]

I 100% know exactly what you mean. I would LOVE a quick layout app with all the machines /foudations to their correct sizes to plan out the proper size for buildings beforehand. I mean I /try/ knowing the foundation size of the machines and then adding space at either end and such, but yeah it still ends up that you annoyingly run out of space in one spot that throws everything else off.

[sturdy mural]

ye i think thats true
why would you need sulfuric caterium recipe when you're barely setting up your coal generators

[sullen gull]

Because you have most likely unlocked Caterium through the MAM

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I started using Autodesk Fusion when I was starting to do 'non-standard' foundations and buildings (Circle, ellipse, etc). And other times, I just load up a creative save and 'muck around'

And am constantly looking at the codex to get the size of the buildings heh.

[vapid zinc]

I am playing on experimental, I can't for the life of me get the mercer spheres to show up on the interactive map (overwolf app). It's on in the filters, tried reinstalling etc. Anyone else had this issue ?

[coarse geode]

dam clean pipe work can look so good

[sullen gull]

You referring to a mod?

[vapid zinc]

Nope

https://satisfactory.th.gl/

[lament vault]

yeah I hit it

[sullen gull]

Oh, Not familiar with that site.

I personally use SCIM for that.

[lament vault]

built a space ladder

[sullen gull]

Get the achievement? 😏

[vapid zinc]

What I like about this one is that it actually moves with you as you're playing, no need to keep uploading a save file

Sucks that I can't get there mercer to show, though :/

[sullen gull]

Neat. And I guess I lied, apparently I have been to this site before 🤣

[rapid wren]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/67ef25fc6b7c573196363598 (not my posting) please thumb this up 😄

it would make exploration sooo much more enjoyable

[sullen gull]

I would assume it's just due to 1.1. Not going to install the app though as I don't do anything with ads in it if I can help it.

[simple echo]

Ok, having a train is way better than running trucks

[robust nymph]

Use an adblocker, no ads anywhere :p

[elfin berry]

How did you unlock the final alt recipe? I thought there was a bug that prevented it. It’s blocking me. Thank you.

[hard ivy]

reload the save/game

[hard ivy]

unfortunately, this site prevents you from opening it for 15 seconds if you do

[sullen gull]

Yeah, but you have to install the overlay app, and that has Ads

[pearl walrus]

Dimensional Depot Downloader when?

[elfin berry]

Thank you. I’ll give that a try.

[sullen gull]

Oh, To be able to hook to another factory, etc?

as an Input, doubt ever 🤷‍♂️ .

[hard ivy]

never

[pearl walrus]

Rip

[hard ivy]

unless modded

[sullen gull]

I'm sure that's on the QA site though and could be upvoted if you want

Dang it, that damn pointing finger looks too much like the middle finger at first glance lol

[pearl walrus]

Item teleportation would trivialize all the other infrastructure, unless the balanced it properly

[sullen gull]

I'd like solar panels ... without mods ofc 😏

[pearl walrus]

Nahhhh

[simple echo]

Ficsit does not give a shit ab sustainable power

Plus IDK how mods handle it, but I feel like solar would either be too busted or too ass to bother with

[swift kernel]

Sustainability? What do you take us for, suckers?

[pearl walrus]

My pioneer would suffer from constanst vitam D deficiency because there would be a giant shadow covering the map

[simple echo]

Geothermal’s power fluctuates and the number of geysers is limited so it’s balanced pretty nicely in my opinion
Sun is everywhere
It’s even leaking into the caves

[sullen gull]

IIRC, you needed large swaths of panels to make it worth it with the mod.

[simple echo]

So the downside is that it’s space inefficient?

[zenith pecan]

Some caves (pending the lighting being enabled) are pitch black.

[simple echo]

Idk, it can be remedied w floating foundations

[sullen gull]

I was thinking it would be neat to setup small satellite facilities, without having to run wire across the map lol

[simple echo]

Nothing like some blacklung from all the beautiful fumes to put some hair on your chest

[hard ivy]

If it was "realistic" it would be ~50 foundations per MW

That seems balanced

[sullen gull]

I'm almost thinking of mimicking @zenith pecan 's methods, but strictly for running power 🤣

[zenith pecan]

Tunnels and power eh.

[sullen gull]

I just hate the power towers all other the place

Lately I have been trying to hide them among trees the best I can.

[zenith pecan]

Fair enough, I dislike them, I'll have power running atop the tunnels, or embedded in a causeway that's already moving stuff.

[hard ivy]

run them under the map

[sullen gull]

Yeah, That's what we're referring too.

[simple echo]

Now I have a dumb idea of solar-powered roofs

[sullen gull]

You're welcome! 😏

[robust nymph]

That sounds ass

[simple echo]

Peak efficiency, even the decorative part of the factory is productive

[robust nymph]

I’ll stick to using SCIM

[zenith pecan]

Eww ads can go to hell.

[sullen gull]

Overwolf iirc was the app. And, don't get me wrong, I am all for supporting developers, just give me your patreon or something,. Imo, ads are nothing but data grabbers and gateways for someone to figure out vulns 🤷‍♂️

[robust nymph]

Ads on a website are not a problem imo

But on a fucking game overlay? Hell no

[robust nymph]

I run trains everywhere, so no need for power poles

[sullen gull]

I should honestly, Though I have only recently began to 'enjoy' running rail with the 1.1 additions.

[robust nymph]

I honestly haven’t paid much attention to 1.1, what does it change for trains?

[cyan garnet]

Lots of things. You can branch rails in and out of stations. You can do “two sided” junctions. And the actual rail placement is like 100x easier as you can control the curvature

[robust nymph]

Two sided junctions?

Also, I assume trains still stick to their fixed pathing, and don’t adapt their route in real time?

[hard ivy]

and you can place signals on the left side facing forward

[swift kernel]

Hair on your chest is more awkward when you have breasts

[sullen gull]

Also not to forget to mention the Auto-connect

[lament vault]

how usefull is power switch before you have a big factory

[hard ivy]

I've only ever used switches to turn my reactors on and off (by switching the water extractors)

[sullen gull]

I was using standard power switches to separate different power stations from the grid, mostly so I could just watch the power grids for a second before switching for any 'fluctuations'. Now I do it with priority switches because you can have a separate 'hub' somewhere else on the map. So long as they're on the same grid.

[arctic anvil]

Does anyone know why I can't stack splitters/mergers anymore, they want to be 1/3 down in the one below ??

[oblique thunder]

guys can someone please answer my question at #satisfactory-experimental ??

[sullen gull]

The other thing that is nice is you can just randomly hook up a priority to the grid and control another one somewhere else. "Oh, I need to make some more Nobelisks?" But, that's provided you're somewhere near your grid in the first place.

[sullen gull]

Sorry that last one wasn't meant for you. Do you have a screenshot you could share?

[arctic anvil]

#screenshots message

this one

[hard ivy]

looks normal

[oblique thunder]

that's how it is normally bro

[peak wasp]

Fire takes in itself what it burns away

[sullen gull]

Yeah, that is normal stack.

[arctic anvil]

but the lifts don't fit

[sullen gull]

Are you in 1.1 or 1.0?

[oblique thunder]

they don't fit normally...

[sullen gull]

No, they 'smush'

[oblique thunder]

I remember it being like this

[arctic anvil]

damn, that's annoying

but thanks

[sullen gull]

One sec.

[sullen gull]

You trying for this?

#screenshots message

[oblique thunder]

how do you do that

[zenith pecan]

I use that kind of squish at my SAM ore processing facility.

[oblique thunder]

do you nudge it or smth????

[arctic anvil]

yes, that is what I want

[sullen gull]

One sec.

Ugh I will be SO happy when they finally get Fiber around here 😒

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

@oblique thunder

[oblique thunder]

oh wow

thanks!

[jaunty jewel]

gonna have almost 500 hours worth of nuclear power before the plut waste will fill up

now i have to match that with uranium waste, which is a few more storage containers

[sullen gull]

Erm, can't you sink plut waste in some way?

[jaunty jewel]

well yes but i am not doing it because its a waste of time

[shrewd palm]

you can turn it into fuel rods and then sink

[hard ivy]

in the toilet

[sullen gull]

You're going all the way to ficsonium right?

[jaunty jewel]

like i said, waste of time

[sacred summit]

Just trying out this monorail for the first time. It's, uh... something for sure.

[arctic anvil]

thanks, you are a life saver, now I can continue with my spaghetti

[sullen gull]

End to end stops?

[jaunty jewel]

the great wall of storage containers is now larger than a nuclear power plant

well, cuboid of storage containers

that wont fill up any time soon

[sacred summit]

The size, the cumbersomeness... And the first one I'm putting down - the first time I felt "yeah, I really do need one for this" - the placement just isn't tactile enough to put down without it either clipping through terrain and whatnot - or sailing through the sky.

[sullen gull]

But .. why not deal with waste if doing nuclear? ❓

[jaunty jewel]

power deficit, expensive material wise

im dealing with uranium waste though

this is only 140 hours of storage for uranium waste because its produced so much more than plut waste

[sullen gull]

Ahhh, the plut waste because of particle accelerators?

[jaunty jewel]

no, im making plutonium fuel rods and burning them

[rapid wren]

some things are obvious, for example that you say dd/mm/yy, not mm/dd/yy, similarly for gaming, it's obvious that scrolling down means you go down the list, or to the right. but in satisfactory it's the opposite 😄

[sullen gull]

Oh, because ficsonium line then...

[sullen gull]

I believe you can change that direction?

[abstract heron]

Do pumps help with flow rate for gases?

[rapid wren]

i think i once a long time ago changed keybind of scroll up and down to the oposite, so scroll down means i use the weapon to the right.

[abstract heron]

Rocket Fuel i am using in my pipe

[sullen gull]

Nope

[jaunty jewel]

you dont need pumps for gasses

[rapid wren]

i did, but it's a weird thing to have as default, pointless to make that a step 😄

[abstract heron]

but i am not getting 600 per minute gases

[rapid wren]

also, why is CTRL not crouch in satisfactory?

[sullen gull]

because it's used in building

[rapid wren]

maybe that makes more sense, because of the slide jump

[jaunty jewel]

shift = crouch, ctrl = sprint are the only allowed keybinds

[rapid wren]

wtf

is wrong with you

[jaunty jewel]

if you use something else i dont trust you

[sullen gull]

eh, I;ve always been opposite of that

[rapid wren]

shift has always been sprint

[sullen gull]

Ctrl was always crouch.

[jaunty jewel]

its easier to hold ctrl with my hand than hold shift

[rapid wren]

but i get the C for crouch if you want to use spacebar at the same time, like in satisfactory.

[sacred summit]

🫤 who hurt you?

[sullen gull]

Well, then hooold the phone, how you not going to trust because of what YOUR hand won't do? 🤣

[jaunty jewel]

idk i grew up with mc so

[sullen gull]

MC?

[jaunty jewel]

minecraft

[sullen gull]

AHhh

[rapid wren]

my litle finger always rest on shift

i have to do some movement to put it on ctrl

[sullen gull]

Or caps 😒

[jaunty jewel]

how the hell do you reach shift with your pinky lmao

mine rests on tab

[rapid wren]

my keyboard is kinda turned to the left, toward my left shoulder

sometimes that fucks up my writing 😄

[fresh wharf]

My keyboard is turned to the left too, toward my right shoulder

[jaunty jewel]

can we agree that people that turn their keyboards 90 degrees should not be trusted

[fiery escarp]

I need sum help. Do I say “fuk it we ball” and redo my fuel or do I just leave it how it is (it’s very inefficient but I’m debating leaving it just bc I don’t wanna jump start my power grid)

[fresh wharf]

Nothing a couple of power shards can't fix

[rapid wren]

ctrl was crouch is basically all FPS right? i know it was for CS and HL

[fiery escarp]

It’s my fuel piping. It’s so in efficient bc half my fuel doesn’t reach half my generators

[rapid wren]

S is for sprint and shift, C is for ctrl and crouch. it only makes sense

[fiery escarp]

Ctrl and c

[fresh wharf]

When I saw my friend type on a keyboard placed like this, his spine looked like some sort of curve you'd find in mathematics

[jaunty jewel]

noooooo

[fresh wharf]

F is for flight

[rapid wren]

am i ruining your logic

F is for flashing my ass

[jaunty jewel]

my logic is my hand can hold ctrl very easily

[sullen gull]

Q and E for turn right and turn left too right?

[fresh wharf]

Nothing a couple of pumps can't fix

[rapid wren]

Q E is strafing

[sullen gull]

Not for gas

[fresh wharf]

Why not
Is fuel anti pump

[sullen gull]

Pumps don't affect gas as gas is not concerned with headlift.

[fresh wharf]

Yeah but he says fuel isnt reaching the generators

[jaunty jewel]

i may need an extra drone

[sullen gull]

Nevermind, just scrolled back, I am getting people mixed up. Thought they had rocket fuel

[fresh wharf]

Lol

[sacred summit]

Q & E only for Lean/Peak. Unless it's an aRPG or similar game, then it's okay to use them for assorted skills

[fresh wharf]

Q for menu E for other menu

[sacred summit]

.... I've never felt this strongly pro-choice before...

😛

[fresh wharf]

😛

[jaunty jewel]

wow my compass is just, a mess

[sullen gull]

Lol, I can't say much, while I HAVE played HL, TF2, CS and a couple others, my addictions were Dark Age of Camelot and then Eve Online later... So I am technically interjecting for the funs 😏

[fresh wharf]

Hey, in what tier is the magic time diamond cube stuff for power shards?

[jaunty jewel]

not of dismantle crates either...

[cyan garnet]

Pumps don’t help flow rate at all, only head lift. Gasses don’t have head lift

[fresh wharf]

9 is bullshit that's like basically the end

[abstract heron]

okay

[cyan garnet]

That’s true for all fluids. Pumps have never increased flow rate

[sacred summit]

Okay, conductors, I need some assistance... using a double-header train, what common issue(s) would cause your train to NOT be able to make a return trip back to the first factory, despite being able to manually drive there?
If it's any help, I did notice that, even when going there manually, the first location no longer has the "Press F to dock" prompt.

[fresh wharf]

I mean, it DOES technically increase flow rate for pipes that go above 10 meters because well, they don't have any fluids

[jaunty jewel]

is the first train station the correct way around

[sacred summit]

Son of a bitch... I need to go look.

[fresh wharf]

What is a double header train? Stop using wizard words

[jaunty jewel]

i guess now i can enter phase 5 and then leave that for another point in time

[cyan garnet]

Right, as a function of head lift. But trying to make your fluids “go faster” on a straight pipe won’t do anything

[sacred summit]

Does appear to be the right way, yeah

[rapid wren]

does anybody know how to get blueprints to sink into the ground like foundations normally do?

[cyan garnet]

One or both of your stations is probably backwards

[jaunty jewel]

then i have no idea wooo

[fresh wharf]

You don't get the joke, it's okay, my joke wasn't very funny anyways

[cyan garnet]

(] [] [] ======== [] [] [)

[fresh wharf]

Stop using spells against me

[sacred summit]

No, it drove to the other automatically, it just won't make the return trip. Even docked at the other spot.

[zenith pecan]

That little bit of text tbh beats my shitty mspaint illustration 😄

[fresh wharf]

Just build them on foundations

[fresh wharf]

Do the whole trip that the train is supposed to do

[cyan garnet]

It’s a work of art

[cyan garnet]

Make a #1038092680493801533 thread w screenshots. I’m still 95% certain one of your stations is backwards

[fresh wharf]

Should I bother making turbofuel?

[hard ivy]

the only advantage TF has over regular fuel is oil efficiency. so unless you care about that and nothing else, no, it's not worth the effort

[cyan garnet]

This. All you are doing is effectively turning other resources into more oil

fuel gens produce the same amount of power regardless of fuel. But they burn less TF than regular fuel which effectively lets you build more fuel gens for more power

[sacred summit]

Yep, it was the original one the wrong way... I wasn't expecting to be able to read the"arrival" sign if it was facing the wrong way...

[rapid wren]

lol

it's a foundation based BP

[arctic swallow]

if you use the best recipe rocketfuel is about 7x more effiecent the normal fuel in generators

[rapid wren]

the point is to get a foundation with things on top up quick

and get the whole thing placed where it fits best, can't do that without spending heaps of time, or simply having blueprints follow normal building logic, like the foundation-blueprints sinking into the ground.

[cyan garnet]

I think everyone has made this mistake at least once. I know I did (and it’s what got me to join this discord originally)

[cyan garnet]

Your math is off. TF burns 7.5/min where regular fuel is 20/min (so 2.6x)

[rapid wren]

a huge problem when i build any instrastructure is finding a good height and a fitting location for trainstations, as massive as they are.

[arctic swallow]

so 20 fuel makes 250 power and if you make it into rocket fuel you get 1800 power

[rapid wren]

blueprints having their foundations follow normal logic would fix that instantly

[cyan garnet]

Oh you meant power output not fuel consumption

[arctic swallow]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1375921050482642954

[cyan garnet]

Yeah yeah

I was talking about the burn rate of the generator itself

[hard ivy]

that's RF, not TF

[arctic swallow]

it is rf

tf is more red

[cyan garnet]

Yes, we were talking about turbo fuel

[arctic swallow]

ohh sorry i mis read

[cyan garnet]

All good

In any case, diluted (packaged) fuel gets you a lot of power from your oil by just adding water. No need to introduce coal sulfur or nitrogen

Another path to consider instead of turbo (or rocket) fuel

[arctic swallow]

okay so it is 8x better then normal fuel

[cyan garnet]

“Better” is subjective without providing a rubric

[arctic swallow]

[cyan garnet]

Like anything else there are tradeoffs. Yes, TF and RF produce more power per oil, but in exchange for complexity and adding other resource types

[arctic swallow]

i want to make 2800 RF generators which would use up 4433,33 sulful and 4666.67 nitrogen gas

[zenith pecan]

2800 is a hell of a lot, hell mine only uses the fuel equivilant to 1728.

[arctic swallow]

if you would want to turn everything into RF you wouldn't have enought sulful coal and nitrogen acid

[zenith pecan]

I only used the blue crater, it is more than enough, it leaves the spire and gold coasts available for rubber/plastic/coke and whatnot.

[arctic swallow]

this is the plan i don't have the infrastruction to make it so i will be putting it into 420 (nice) normal fuel genetartor

[zenith pecan]

I actually use 720, it's only equivalent to 1720 because those 720 generators are clocked to 240% to make each one take 10 fuel for easy numbers.

[rapid wren]

why on this unholy planet can't i rotate the railway

there is loads of room for it

[cyan garnet]

You can in 1.1

[rapid wren]

also limiting the minimum distance is dumb, as long as it's still a normal turn radius

[lament vault]

man hypertubes are so fun

can I sushi belt stuff into dimensional depot?

[rapid wren]

no, it will clog up when one category is filled

[reef basin]

Yes

[jovial oracle]

I just explored crude oil. How do I approach extraction/refining or any tips or tricks?

[true mulch]

open the refinery and look at ALL the recipes, ALL of them

the primary oil products are plastic, rubber and fuel, although you can't really use fuel right away

secondary products are heavy oil residue, petroleum coke and polymer resin

[elder apex]

also isn't oil the introduction to byproducts?

where you get to learn how to deal with secondary products from a recipe that you might not necessarily want

[arctic swallow]

aluminium

[jovial oracle]

I got 3 pure and 2 normal nodes for crude oil 2km to my east. So I should go for 5 oil extractors and how many refineries?

[elder apex]

oil is in phase 3, aluminum is later in phase 4. pretty sure that oil is the introduction to byproducts like resin and hor and having to deal with them lest your machines shut down

[eternal delta]

Where do i fidn the screen shots i have taken?

[elder apex]

for 1.0 release, #faq message

I've heard tell that experimental is storing them somewhere different though if you are on that

[sullen gull]

1.1 is in %localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\Screenshots\Windows

[eternal delta]

thx

[vapid shard]

Hey guys, does anyone happen to know when Satis 1.1 will go into stable?

[sullen gull]

nope

[oblique aspen]

at this point, it looks like it might not be until after the summer break

so possibly like september

[true mulch]

maybe they'll clutch it in June

their break doesn't fully start until July/August, no?

[sullen gull]

Experimental is not horrible, few bugs, buy playable imo. And so long as saves are backed up you can revert at any time.

And any save from 1.1 should carry over after release.

[oblique aspen]

The break is more like a window of time where people take their vacation, but yeah they typically have June to work still, but then you also don't really want to release a week before everyone leaves

We shall see 🤷 noone knows, possibly not even the devs as they are still hammering out bugs

[sullen gull]

Anyone have a good primer on 'priority' mergers for pipes? I know it has to deal with putting things higher than the other, etc...

[knotty ivy]

the bars under a machine are the efficency right? like my smelter says its using 4mw of electricity, 2 seconds to smelt, and has 96% under some bars, and Im assuming thats efficency?

[sullen gull]

The 96% is your effeciency.

[knotty ivy]

Thanks!

[sullen gull]

Damn, this whole time I thought the pioneer was 3m tall. I guess we're >2m

[jovial oracle]

Yo blade runners are awesome

[broken thorn]

Life changer

[jovial oracle]

Also, anyone?

[sullen gull]

For me, personally, I just throw an extractor on what ever you need, clocked accordingly. As far as long runs, up to you. I personally don't mind them .

[arctic swallow]

depend on the recipe and how much you want to produce

[jovial oracle]

Also, why do oil extractors need so much power 💀

[sullen gull]

And, maybe I missed something, but refineries making what?

[arctic swallow]

do you have pipes mk2?

[jovial oracle]

Not yet.

[jovial oracle]

The basics: Rubber, Plastic and Fuel.

3 refineries I assume?

[sullen gull]

Oh, tap it all imo

And shard the hell out of them 🤣

[dense violet]

Look at their output and how much the recipes need

And every new machine takes more power. I think the most 1 machine can draw is about 20,000mw

[arctic swallow]

mostly rubber and plastic or fuel?

[jovial oracle]

20000 MW?

Wut

[dense violet]

I said what I said

[jovial oracle]

Haven't thought about it, lmao. But if I'm gonna switch to fuel power, I will definitely need more fuel.

[sullen gull]

Imo, fuel then plastic/rubber from the byproducts depending alts available.

[jovial oracle]

Although I don't know the rate and power output of a fuel generator.

[dense violet]

Eh, you can easily stick to coal for ages. Simpler

[jovial oracle]

Makes sense, I'll just expand my coal plant.

[dense violet]

Fully mine out 4 coal nodes next to water, it’ll set you for ages

Just keep mining more when you get new belts and miners

[sullen gull]

🙄

[jovial oracle]

I currently have 2 pure coal nodes with a Mk2 Miner supplying 16 coal generators. There are still 2 more pure nodes untouched. So I can go like 32x coal generators.

[dense violet]

Yup, and when you get faster belts overclock the miners

[jovial oracle]

That's like, 2400 MW of power?

[dense violet]

48-64 coal gens is pretty normal before doing a nice fuel set up

[jovial oracle]

I haven't thought about overclocking yet but I do have a shizton of slugs in my chest.

[arctic swallow]

60 refineries (heavy oil residue) 40 refineries (residual fuel) 10 refineries (residual plastic) 15 refineries (residual rubber)
this uses alternative recipe

[jovial oracle]

Okay, after doing a fuel setup, should I get rid of the coal generators to use the coal nodes for other purposes or just keep them as it is?

[sullen gull]

If you're able, be sure to sloop the output of the constructors turning those into shards.

[arctic swallow]

it will make 20k power

[sullen gull]

Just leave em

[jovial oracle]

Elaborate sloop.

[dense violet]

Plenty of coal around 🙂

[dense violet]

Alien tech. Research Sam ore in the mam

[jovial oracle]

I'll note this down, lol.

[jovial oracle]

Aight.

[sullen gull]

What Cobalt said.

[jovial oracle]

Alright, lemme go make some refiners and extractors. I'll come back later.

Unless a spider jumps on me and obliterates my fears to eternity

[arctic swallow]

then add 80 fuel generators

[jovial oracle]

Oh wow ok

[arctic swallow]

i saw it

[jovial oracle]

Guess GIFs don't work

[dense violet]

Why? Residual recipes aren’t very good

[jovial oracle]

sob

[sullen gull]

No, but the link is fine enough 😏

[dense violet]

Efficiency wise anyway

[jovial oracle]

💀💀💀

Aight brb

[arctic swallow]

ik but he wanted a lot of fuel

[sullen gull]

Diluted if you want quantity

[dense violet]

Residual fuel is not the way for it then

[arctic swallow]

he doesn't even have pipes mk.2 i think he doen't have blenders

[sullen gull]

Yeah, well, some like to plan ahead/big 😏

Not that it's always right though 🤣

[dense violet]

When you do eventually look at fuel power make dedicated power stations. It really helps keeping power and item production seperate.

You can also get a couple alt recipes to really pump out fuel

Heavy oil residue + diluted fuel

[arctic swallow]

Rocket fuel

[dense violet]

Diluted packed fuel can be unlocked basically as soon as you unlock oil

[arctic swallow]

i forgot it exists

the only down side is that you have to manually fill it with canisters at first

[sullen gull]

Doesn't take much. Setup one constructor to make them into an ISC before starting the build, and by the time you're done, there will be more than you would need.

[jovial oracle]

Also, another question. While exploring, I found a lot of water nodes. Am I supposed to use a pressurizer on that?

[sullen gull]

You can.

But typically those are better used if you are building nearby.

[jovial oracle]

What does a pressurizer do in general? I know it pressurizes something but how does it work in game?

[sullen gull]

But yes, you would use a pressurizer for those, oil, and nitrogen.

[sullen gull]

They are used for the Resource Wells that you find throughout the map. You put a pressurizer on, power it, then you can attach extractors to each node.

You will find them for water, oil, and nitrogen gas.

[jovial oracle]

What's the difference between a well and node?

And how do I differentiate them visually?

[reef basin]

Make that part of the BP and you don't even have to do that

[sullen gull]

Outside of the equipment used to extract the resource, nothing

[jovial oracle]

Ok.

[sullen gull]

You still need canisters to 'populate' the BP

Damn cat ....

[reef basin]

Just feed a depot with them

[sullen gull]

Yeah, either way I think the point is that they still have to be made.

[jovial oracle]

So, concrete, grip metal or coated concrete? I'm asking y'all's suggestions. I'm keeping asphalt solely for road purposes.

[sullen gull]

Concrete or coated concrete here

[jovial oracle]

Besides cosmetics/visuals, does it affect performance?

[dense violet]

Purely aesthetic basically

[jovial oracle]

Alright.

[sullen gull]

Not in my experience.

Material need for sure, but that's it

Coated requires plastic

[dense violet]

I think the base concrete is cheaper to build but also doesn’t act like a ruler to help place buildings like base foundations

[sullen gull]

Does or doesn't? I always though it had 'ruler' potential so long as one can 'read it' 😏

[jovial oracle]

I sorta noticed the ruler part.

It felt a bit off.

[sullen gull]

Oh, right, never mind, I forgot for a sec that pedantic baby has me blocked.

[dense violet]

It’s very useful . And when you have the parts automated the extra cost is basically nothing

[jovial oracle]

Update: Oil Refining has clogged my mind and tickling my sanity.

[ripe basin]

Good night guys

[broken thorn]

Good evening

[thick cave]

good evening

Is here anyone namen TheAnonym3000/ Anonym3000/ something like that?

[lament vault]

what should I do before phase 2? I'm just waiting for versatile framework to finish

[thick cave]

He posted a meme, i gave him, its my finger with a modular frame

[hard ivy]

you have like 2 different ways of searching for people

[jovial oracle]

What does max flow rate define? My brain isn't working.

[hard ivy]

the limits of the pipe?

[jovial oracle]

If an oil extractor from a pure crude oil node can extract 240m^3/min crude oil, will overclocking it to 250% (600m^3/min) clog a Mk1 pipeline which can carry 300m^3 of fluid?

[sullen gull]

Yeah

[hard ivy]

of course. you'll only get 300 of that

[sullen gull]

Well, not clog, bet yes, only getting 300/min

[jovial oracle]

So I just upgrade it to a Mk2 pipeline, yeah?

Also, if I put a clean pipeline Mk1 instead of the normal pipeline Mk1, will I not be able to examine the content of the pipeline?

[hard ivy]

not from the outside

you'll have to click on it

[jovial oracle]

You mean they won't show the numbers on the metal rings?

[hard ivy]

a clean pipeline doesn't have the flow indicator on the outside. that's it

the window that opens when you click on it is the same

[jovial oracle]

Alright.

I think I'll just watch a video of SpectrumDad on oil guidelines, that'll help me understand stuff better.

[latent prawn]

clean pipelines are just a cosmetic. I prefer the indicator pipes when they line up right so i can see how full the pipes are without interacting with them. Any pipe can be approached to interact with to see its status

[jovial oracle]

Holy hell, fuel generates a lot of power.

[hard ivy]

even more if you use the right alts

up to 20 000 MW from 600 oil

[zenith pecan]

I mix clean and indicator pipes, that way the indicators can be lined up to not look bad, and the clean bits handle the corners.

[hard ivy]

I actually don't even buy the clean pipelines because they get in the way of the mk1->mk2->junction rotation by pressing E

[sullen gull]

For me, it's clean all up until I have an area where I may want to see the flow.

[sullen gull]

The wha now?

OH

nm,. I got it

[hard ivy]

When you tap E, it switches between buildables in a similar category to the one you're holding

and you can hold E for a radial menu, but that's slower (but it gives more options)

[sullen gull]

Yeah, screwball and green slow things down a bit and it takes a sec or two 😏

[sage wind]

Is there a known bug with customization on concrete walls/foundations

I changed the colour of everthing by changing the swatch and I don't see the change, but other players do

[rapid wren]

is it possible to copy and paste my save into the experimental branch?

[leaden turret]

yes

[rapid wren]

is experimental mostly stable now?

i've crashed like 3 times these 70 hours on 1.0 😄

1.1 has zero content and world changes right? just buildables?

[lime ermine]

Tools isn't working, is anyone else having problems? It won't tell me what I need for fixonium rods

[lime ermine]

Yup

[dense violet]

You need to manually put in the wastes

[hard ivy]

Yeah, the rod->waste process isn't a "recipe"

so tools, which reads the game code, doesn't have it

[lime ermine]

Oh thanks

[cyan garnet]

Back up your saves before attempting exp branch. Once you switch to 1.1 you can’t go back (but you will be able to use a exp 1.1 on the release version of 1.1 when it comes out)

[jovial oracle]

How to transport fluids over long distances?

[dense violet]

depends how you want to do it 🙂

[dense violet]

best way, imo, is to not.
use it on location

[sullen gull]

You could package it, run long runs of pipe, or use it on llocation

[jovial oracle]

Do tractors carry fluids?

[dense violet]

only if packaged

[sullen gull]

But Colbalt is right, on location is usually the best choice.

[jovial oracle]

Alright.

Just do the refining and production on site and then transport to other places if needed.

[dense violet]

the only way to move unpackaged fluid is either by pipe or train

[jovial oracle]

Trains can carry fluids?

[dense violet]

if you're not confident with your piping it's definitely a good choice

[dense violet]

they have fluid cars

[true mulch]

yes

[jovial oracle]

I am not confident with anything

[dense violet]

I mean if you want to learn fluid trains now could be a good time 😄

[jovial oracle]

Still gotta unlock trains though.

[dense violet]

ah yeah, use it on location 😉

[jovial oracle]

Also, have you played Factorio?

[sullen gull]

That's the nice thing about this game, You don't 'loose' anything. You get back everything you put in. Only thing ever really lost is time 😏

[dense violet]

it's not for me. Just couldn't get into it

[lime ermine]

Oh you don't have them

[jovial oracle]

Trains in Factorio was a huge pain for me. All those rail signals and logic gates.

[lime ermine]

They're so much easier here

[jovial oracle]

Was boggling my mind.

[dense violet]

trains in Satisfactory are simpler

[rapid wren]

im not on steam, so i think i download a whole separate client on epic?

[jovial oracle]

Thank God.

[sullen gull]

Signals can be a small pain, but other wise easier.

[dense violet]

partially because in this game production lines are static, and production constant

so used very differently

[jovial oracle]

All I know is that I should use block signals and path signals specifically for bidirectional railways.

[dense violet]

all you should know is make 2 lane rails 😛 save yourself pain

[jovial oracle]

True.

Is there a mechanic that allows you to make 2 railways, side by side?

[sullen gull]

Or end to end rails, Much simpler imo.

[dense violet]

yes. Build 2 rails nextd to each other

[sullen gull]

Blueprints. But MUCH easier with 1.1

[rapid wren]

why can't i find experimental on epic?

[jovial oracle]

No no, I mean parallel railways. Like in Cities Skyline, if you have played that.

[dense violet]

use foundations to keep them straight and next to each other?

[jovial oracle]

Hm...okay

But I gotta invest time in building bridges. I don't like floating decks.

[dense violet]

you should always use foundations anyway to keep them tidy. Faster and easier to build

[hard ivy]

And to keep the spacing correct

[jovial oracle]

I guess I'll do the cosmetics/aesthetics later. Functionality first.

If it works, I'll think twice before touching it.

[dense violet]

a good method is to zoop 1 line of foundations the whole way
build pylons at intervals
then connect rail.
you can delete the first foundations after #design-and-architecture message

[sage wind]

Is there no way to get 240/m out of a miner without MK3?

[jovial oracle]

Overclocking.

[cyan garnet]

Nope

[sullen gull]

Pure with a Mk2 and OC'd

[cyan garnet]

Wait, mk3 miner or mk3 belt?

[sage wind]

My question has been misinterpreted, I meant can you not get 240/m out of a miner, producing that amount, having only unlocked MK2 belts

[jovial oracle]

Your basic Mk2 miner dishes out 120/m. Overclock it to 200%, you get 240/m.

On a normal node.

[cyan garnet]

Because you will always be limited by belt speed regardless of how much it can produce

[sullen gull]

Sorry, no, pure with a mk2 @ 100

[sullen gull]

Oh, no.

[green fiber]

If you only have mk 2 belts, there is no way to extract more than 120/min

[sage wind]

Okay thanks, thought there may be a way to add a splitter right at the miner

[jovial oracle]

I was answering the first question, not the second one 💀

But yeah, belts and pipelines are the limiting factors.

[hard ivy]

A miner only has 1 conveyor connection. You can at most get however much the belt you connect can handle

[swift kernel]

Finally have all my truck stops running. Now I have to connect my receiving docks to my storage.

I have a question for anyone here who is also a tractor/truck enthusiast.

Have you ever been driving a tractor and then it acts like you hit an invisible rock? Like you bounce into the air off nothing or suddenly get bumped to the side?

[jovial oracle]

Yes.

[swift kernel]

You have any suggestions other than going back to delete the nodes by hand?

Or is it just an unavoidable side effect of routing a lot of trucks along the same route?

[jovial oracle]

Nope, unless you want to remake the whole route again.

[swift kernel]

I was afraid of that

[hard ivy]

All truck issues can easily be resolved by simply not using trucks 🤷‍♂️

[leaden ether]

172 refineries, 18 blenders and 5000 m3/M of water. So much piping. And why are there no ceiling stackable pipe mounts like there are for belts? Also no "Straight" mode for pipes horizontally. Both of those make routing them a lot harder than it should be. #screenshots message

[swift kernel]

Boo

I'm not a coward

[hard ivy]

And I'm not a masochist

[swift kernel]

Also, I now get the extremely satisfying vision of a busy truck station at each of my factories.

[jovial oracle]

I currently use tractors now.

[swift kernel]

It's so much fun being able to see them all go. Seriously, makes all the effort worth it

[jovial oracle]

I have used explorers for delivering at mountainous areas, lol.

Didn't like it.

[swift kernel]

Lol I was gonna say, the inventory for those has to make that painful

[jovial oracle]

I keep the Cities Skylines mentality if I go for transports. Tractors/trucks for short range deliveries and trains for long range hauls.

Although I haven't unlocked trains yet but that's what I'll do.

Speaking of Cities, I should play it again.

Have you all seen the new Anno game?

[cyan garnet]

“Horizontal to vertical” build mode is the closest thing we’ve got

[ripe basin]

Good morning guys

Its 3 AM and im playing stardew valley

[gentle stream]

I unlocked the truck depot or whatever in tier 2, (I'm in tier 4 now) I want to ask if its even worth using early game or a little later, because I need coal to fuel it, but I need to make a belt highway over to the truck depot probably longer than the truck route just to power it, and at that point shouldn't I just make a belt highway instead of trucks?

[hard ivy]

I only use tractors/trucks when they save me time compared to other transportation methods I have available

That is never

[gentle stream]

thats what I thought LOL. Sorry for the long reply I was running from a weird giant green spider guarding a mercer sphere

[hard ivy]

As far as I'm concerned, they're decorations at best

[gentle stream]

I probably couldve stun rebar then xeno basher him until he dies but he scared me so I panic threw a nobelisk and exploded it right into my face nuking half my hp

[gentle stream]

yeah they look cool

[prisma thicket]

Generally the most reliable method for transporting good from point to point, regardless of distance, is belts. That being said, if you get used to the eccentricities involved with running vehicles, they can add some "life" to your world if that's something you care about. Drones and Trains are better than tractors and trucks, but still not quite 100% effective depending on the situation. Drones also require fuel, and can only go from one port to another, while trains can do multiple stations on a single run, but they can be a bit more complex than some people enjoy.

[naive pendant]

Tractor transporting coal is a convenient "players first logistic vehicle" experience.

[mortal ginkgo]

The first thing you probably gotta transport around is Coal because you need Steel Bar stuff. You can use the same coal to learn how to fuel trucks and what not. They ask truly low amount of fuel.

Some people may say "yolo long distance belts" but I would humbly say that you are missing a good portion of the game doing that. I love my truck bois going around and they make the world really dynamic.

Another thing to note is, you don't need to upgrade them as you need to with belts.

If you do a very long belt (especially mid to late game) and get a new level of belt, you have to go around upgrade them. This is why there are other long distance transport options.

[gentle stream]

I thought about using trucks to transport my coal for steel but I came to the conclusion that I planned the factory on 270 per min coal, and I was using 1 pure coal node so no multiple belts to feed into the truck station, so I wouldn’t be using it to the main point that you can put 2 belts into it, while also lowering my production and making me replan so I just skipped it. Feel free to give me any tips if you see fit.

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont need to use 2 belts into truck station

you are not losing any production because of the truck station

[gentle stream]

I am because I need to burn some coal that I would use for steel

[broken thorn]

Belts it is

[mortal ginkgo]

Belts then.

[prisma thicket]

I believe they are saying they can only get 270 coal per minute out of their miner because of belt speed, and they planned to use 270 per minute for steel production, so there's nothing available to fuel the trucks.

[gentle stream]

I think that having a little more iron than coal in the 1:1 ratio for steel would drive me ABSOLUTELY CRAZY

[gentle stream]

That’s correct

[broken thorn]

Trains, drones, trucks etc are all optional

They just make your life easier, but are optional

[gentle stream]

Yeah that makes sense

[mortal ginkgo]

the amount of coal burn per min would be max 5. Trucks really dont ask for much fuel especially for early game distances.

but if that bothers you, yolo belts

[gentle stream]

I think my breaking point for using one of the other transportation options will be having to use 3 belts to transport one item type

[prisma thicket]

Trains in their simplest form are just belts that take power, so once you get those you might consider making use of them, but again, not necessary.

[mortal ginkgo]

I heavily disagree on that train comment.

There are really big reasons to use them.

[gentle stream]

Trains just seem super duper cool to me so I’m prob using them

[broken thorn]

Not really tbh because you have to expand belt busses but trains have much better expandability

[mortal ginkgo]

Have fun upgrading an ultra long distance of one continent to next of belts if you are belting everything.

[gentle stream]

I usually plan the factory’s around my belt speed so that hopefully won’t happen

[prisma thicket]

That's why I said "in their simplest form", you can expand on them and make them do far more than a single belt, but a single car push-pull train is basically just a belt that takes power lol

[mortal ginkgo]

Also yes, trains are cool.

Stations also transfer power from one to another so thats a plus too

But the main reason to use trains is, they are cool.

[gentle stream]

I’m having a lot of trouble with my coal power rn. I just upgraded it to like 18 machines to support my 7.5 modular frames per min factory but with that I’m almost out of power generation and I’m running out of (space to get) water. I’m hoping I can get oil before that happens

[mortal ginkgo]

another option would be tapping on another coal with water closeby

[gentle stream]

Yeah that would work probably

It’s just a huge headache

[trim vine]

@prisma thicket

Was it you who made the towers with the rocket fuel?

[prisma thicket]

Generally you want your coal generators in multiples of 8, with 3-4 water extractors per 8 gens. Where are you setting up your coal power?

[gentle stream]

I’m eating rn I can give u the cords later if that’s what ur asking

[prisma thicket]

That was not me, was @zenith pecan

[proper yacht]

Yeah this is what I do. 8 gens to 3 water extractors.

[leaden ether]

I ended up making a second. larger coal plant efore I got oil going

[trim vine]

@zenith pecan Hey, had a quick question, roughly/exactly how much Rocket fuel were you making at that plant?

[proper yacht]

I should've done this because I had a major issue with my fuel plant that caused a worldwide blackout that took me 3 hours to troubleshoot. X_X

[gentle stream]

I do 1 extractor per 2 generators bcs I don’t like dealing with fluid mechanics bs

[prisma thicket]

This is my preferred way as well, underclock one extractor to 75% and it's a simple 2:1 setup

[zenith pecan]

This is the plan for each tower production level #screenshots message , there are three of these.

[gentle stream]

I think a big thing to my power is me way overbuilding my modular frames factory

[proper yacht]

Totally fair. Fluid mechanics are weird, but after countless hours, I finally figured it out in a manner that works for me. 😄

[trim vine]

and that nets you the 1.1 m MW?

[proper yacht]

You'll be very glad you did later on. I need to be making more modular frames than I am currently am, only 10/min while I'm in Phase 4 of the Space Elevator.

[zenith pecan]

Needs the support tower, which has the power amps.

[gentle stream]

I’m getting 7.5 per min in phase 2 lol

[trim vine]

you mean that alien augment thing?

[zenith pecan]

But yeah it produces a shit ton, the defunct 32x coal plant is still running though.

[gentle stream]

I used the satisfactory calculator, and put in 270 iron ore per min then used all that iron for modular frames

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, the augmnents are on the ground floor of the support tower, above that is 24 floors containing 7776 power stores.

[proper yacht]

Nice! This is the first time I spent some time actually balancing a modular frame factory as I kind of just ignored it in my other playthroughs, what a mistake that was lol.

[trim vine]

and approximately 575 Fuel Gennys, or did you overclock?

[gentle stream]

Modular frames were the 1st actually difficult item to make bcs it needed screws plates and rods so I kinda just thought that I should at least make the 1st hard item automation right and that would send me on a good path, kinda like what ppl say happens when they make their bed in the morning

[zenith pecan]

720 gens all told, and definitely clocked at 240% , remember, the plan is per tower, total rocket fuel is 7200.

[proper yacht]

Valid. I skipped that part and instead decided to focus my attention on fluid mechanics and now I'm trying to play catch up on those items. I just finished my aluminum factory earlier this week that is making 960 aluminum ingots per minute which will be making 360 alclad aluminum sheets and 450 aluminum casings per minute with those 960 ingots. (Yes, I'm employing an alternate recipe in this for the casings specifically, everything else is standard recipe).

[abstract heron]

How do i get more flowrate on a pipe with gas in it?

[trim vine]

Damn... currently using ~3500 sulfur for my aluminium

doing this at 7200 would bring my world total down to just around 2440 left over....

[zenith pecan]

Ouch!

[prisma thicket]

Might want to look into some alts to get more aluminum out of your bauxite. Electrode Scrap and Pure Aluminum might help you out a bit.

[proper yacht]

I agree. I ran the numbers on it and I agree there are better ways to produce more aluminum, but I hadn't done the standard production line for it and I wanted to experience that and understand it prior to employing alternates. 🙂 That's my guiding star for a lot of what I do in the game.

[hard ivy]

That's why I no longer use instant scrap. It's just not worth the sulfur...

[trim vine]

Trying to look at what else I REALLY need sulfur for though

Batteries?

[hard ivy]

Power. Both nuclear and rocket fuel

[trim vine]

Infused Uranium Cells?

Yeah, I can wing it for now, dont plan on Nuclear this run through

[hard ivy]

Leached Caterium might come in handy too

[proper yacht]

You could use it for sulfuric acid for leached ingot recipes too if you need to mass produce those. 😄

[trim vine]

if you're mixing copper with the caterium though for the quickwire, is it still a big problem later?

[hard ivy]

If you end the game with less than 0.5 - 1TW of power production, no resource likely to be an issue

Maybe oil, if you utterly waste it using default recipes

[latent prawn]

maximizing nuclear takes a budget of between 2100-2400 sulfur. set aside that amount and look for other uses for the rest

[trim vine]

Yeah, skipping over Nuclear this playthrough, I just wanna clear the phases

But, I am curently using 2 pure nodes of Sulfur for an early turbo fuel set up that is currently powering my world at 115k MW (20k coming from the power boost)

Really I just want to make a single battery plant for some drones, cause I wanna use batteries for em, even though I could package other fuels

[finite latch]

drones use other fuels?

[trim vine]

packaged fuel, turbo fuel, Rocket/Ionized, Uranium/Plutonium Fuel Rods

[trim vine]

Thems are all the fuel types

[finite latch]

well then lol.. for some reason I thought they were only batteries

[trim vine]

I believe they use to be

[finite latch]

that explains it

looks to be new as of 1.0

[latent prawn]

i used 600 sulfur to do 120mw worth of rf with turbo blend -> default rf

[cyan garnet]

Why wouldn’t you put the truck station right next to the coal and run the truck route the long distance? That’s kinda the whole point…

[gentle stream]

I explaned that bruh

[latent prawn]

on the subject of batteries: they're no longer a very compelling fuel source for anything - just abould every fuel has less cost in bauxite. if you want to build them to have a discrete supply chain for drone fuel, that's cool, but i don't really feel that there's a great case to be made for using them much anymore

[cyan garnet]

Sorry, was scrolled back

[finite latch]

yea, thought they were my only option.. kind of happy they aren't

[cyan garnet]

Mobile discord screwing me up again!

[latent prawn]

also, i've been using yellow fuel in drones so far and really haven't run into any limits with their diminished speed with it. If i were moving ore or another 100-stack item, i would be using a better fuel, but for now, low tech wins for me

[prisma thicket]

Odd question, but is there any way to get polymer resin without processing oil?

[cyan garnet]

nope

[proper yacht]

I don't believe so

[trim vine]

There is!

Get you a lizard Doggo!

[prisma thicket]

Eh, that seems entirely RNG based, need something reliable lol wanted to unlock polyester fabric before I started my oil plant lol

[trim vine]

No no, it IS 100% RNG based

Oil is the only way

However, you should be able to make fuel gennys now, so making HOR, and then making fuel, aint bad

[wanton stag]

what are the controls for the creative mode? yk for flight and all that

[prisma thicket]

Yah, was working on this as my "first oil setup" for this save xD https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yZIsnF9DoL56SrrwqJes

[abstract heron]

is there a better way to have airflow for gas in pipes?

[prisma thicket]

Though I may tweak the plastic/rubber numbers some so I can get some packaged turbofuel going (slooping one TF refinery for it)

[abstract heron]

with 960 fuel gens at 600 MW i should be making 5760000 in total i only get 4700000 ish

[latent prawn]

just keep your manifolds extremely small with a small number of producers & consumers. in the case of nitrogen, packaging & unpackaging helps tremendously

[abstract heron]

i am piping the gas

[latent prawn]

for rocket fuel power, i've not noticed problems with 48 gens at 250% on a mk1 pipe

[abstract heron]

i am doing mk2 600 with 60 fuel gens

[latent prawn]

well, don't do things that everyone tells you are problematic, lol

[leaden ether]

Unfortunately other than not needing pumps, the gas still flows in pipes just like liquid, so all the other precautions are still relevant. As mentioned, try to keep consumers balanced on the piping, keep all manifolds at 5 or less if possible.

[prisma thicket]

600/min pipes tend to have issues

[latent prawn]

(i had to redact that statement to soften it)

[abstract heron]

should i do 58 gens then

per line to help it

[proper yacht]

Yeah I find I have no issues doing 480 in mk 2 pipes and having an extra line somewhere instead of filling it full to 600.

[latent prawn]

no, break your fuel producers in half or thirds and pipe to smaller sets of generators

[dense violet]

you can have the same issues in mk2 pipes moving 400 as 600. Depends on the rest of the manifold

[latent prawn]

helps if you don't push pipes to their capacity

[dense violet]

if you loop and flood the system you'll likely be fine, you've done a lot of pipes

[abstract heron]

ya i don't have looping the pipes yet

[latent prawn]

the combo of lots of consumers + full capacity pipes is always problematic

[dense violet]

although consumers that use very little per min have much less impact.
I used to run full mk2 pipes to turbo gens when they were still consuming 4.2 and could work it w/o a loop

[latent prawn]

yeah, machines that gobble more of the pipe's content per cycle cause more 'turbulence'

[dense violet]

it is a myriad of factors that all impact each other xD

[abstract heron]

and ik the devs won't fix it ish

i think 🤔

[latent prawn]

it isn't broken

[dense violet]

I mean, the only real way to 'fix' it is to have fluids not be bi directional

which means pipes would just be a different looking belt

[latent prawn]

your statement is like saying a screw is broken because its too hard to hammer into something

[finite latch]

thats because your saw does have enough teeth

[latent prawn]

ikr?

[abstract heron]

probbaly item is not balanced on a converyor or something

[prisma thicket]

@gentle stream you still having issues with your coal plant?

[abstract heron]

i have 2 lines with no fuel connection should i take them out or keep them 120 fuel gens?

[prisma thicket]

If they have no connection, they are not doing anything but taking up space right? Might as well disassemble them and get your parts back, if you need them, and if not, lots of stuff to either delete or sink

[abstract heron]

i can always readded if i need to

[gentle stream]

guys help im in this weird conveyor build mode where when I click a spot i have to choose the beginning height then i tell the conveyor where to go someone help me how do i turn this off

[trim vine]

thats standard, click to place, click to change height, R to change from straight or right angles

[gentle stream]

oooh ok i think that happening to me comes from me never placing a conveyor connected to nothing before

[shell scroll]

You can also turn on "1-click build" in the settings. Then it's click&drag to change the height. Also affects Zoop/Vertical building of foundations and conveyor ladders

[gray ermine]

can you share blueprints externally?

like on discord?

[prisma thicket]

I think each blueprint you create is saved as a file somewhere that you can share, I know a lot of youtubers that play the game make their BP's avaialable through patreon and such.

[idle stirrup]

You have to show hidden files in the file explorer, search %localappdata% in the file explorer search bar, look for (it was for me) FactoryGame and in there will be a folder named blueprints

[trim vine]

Anyone got some advice on how to route the rubber and plastic here?

#screenshots message

[prisma thicket]

I'm not sure how to manage it on that scale, but generally I have the main line of rubber/plastic production feed back into the opposite machines, and then overflow the rest for storage/transport. That way your production machines are always topped off so you don't have any stoppages causing an imbalance between them.

[cyan moss]

Played a bit with a friend who is new to game today. He played for about 10 hours, is like 12hrs on save now and t4 almost done :D just a little more till I can launch

He caught on quick when I showed him how to setup some stuff then he almost perfectly setup 8 rotors per min after like 1-2 hours of playing after I gave them a calculator

[prisma thicket]

Very nice, sounds like your friend has a knack for planning things out 😄

[cyan moss]

Yeah was quite pleasantly suprised, is fun to play with

[gray ermine]

Might not be a very good question. I’m making blueprints for my highway and I have a hypertube running through the center. But in my 4 way junction how do I split the hypertube 4 ways?

[trim vine]

yeah, overflow aint the issue at all, just trying to figure out the cascade process to get everything turned on

[cyan moss]

I think 1.1 was adding hypertube junctions

[gray ermine]

Is that the new update coming?

[cyan moss]

Its the experimental version thats playable but I think updating might break stuff idk

[prisma thicket]

Yes, it's on experimental right now. It's the only way to create junctions without just ending the hypertube and adding 3 more entrances going each direction.

[sullen gull]

Hasn't 'broken' anything here as of yet. Outside of the save not being transferable back to 1.0 of course.

[dense violet]

split it into 2 processes.

make 2 tabs. 1 for hte plastic, 1 for the rubber. Makes it trivially easy

[sullen gull]

Well, currently seems to be a lift/merger bug thing too...

[prisma thicket]

Yes, but that's part of the experimental process, working out all the bugs so that when 1.1 releases it's stable and mostly bug free

[cyan moss]

I heard that if* a container was deleted but inv is full the contents go byebye in 1.1

[sullen gull]

I believe that is just people not understanding the way dismantle crates are handled now.

[prisma thicket]

Hasn't happened to me yet, just gotta make sure you have inventory space to hold all the contents

[sullen gull]

Since items are now merged into nearby crates instead of making a new one. And that radius can be kinda large sometimes.

[trim vine]

How do you mean?

[prisma thicket]

Think they mean do one tab on tools making the rubber, one making the plastic, instead of combining them.

[trim vine]

Oh, ummmm, well.....

So, the rubber from the 1200 resin is gonna somehow jumpstart that whole cycle

[dense violet]

make a plan for 2700 plastic
make a plan for 2700 rubber

split your oil product up into two branches, never worry about mixing the two system and doing weird thigns with it

[dense violet]

yup, good way to do it

[trim vine]

#screenshots message

Something more like this then, eh

[prisma thicket]

Looks right to me, and simplifies the system like Cobalt said

[trim vine]

My original question still kinda isnt clear;

Seeing as this will still exceed a 780 belt, whats a good way to route stuff in a cascading way that will get the system up to 100%

Meh, I might just need to start building things in clumps and see what the move is

Cause like, x number of refiners gotta feed into each other, and y refiners gotta go to the "finished product"

[dense violet]

perfect 🙂 easy right?

[trim vine]

#satisfactory message

😬

[gentle stream]

bro WHY DOES EVERYTHING NEED SCREWS I DONT HAVE ENOUGHT BELT SPEED FOR THEM BROOOOOOO

[trim vine]

alternate recipes mate basically remove the need for screws

Go hard drive hunting

[gentle stream]

its kinda hard bcs i cant scan for them

[trim vine]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#3;49935;64087|gameLayer|caves;worldBorder;nitrogenGasWellImpure;nitrogenGasWellNormal;nitrogenGasWellPure;sulfurPure;sulfurNormal;sulfurImpure

[gentle stream]

thats cheating IMO

[trim vine]

THEN, time to explore

[gentle stream]

yeah

[dense violet]

plan it so it doesn't exceet 780?

[prisma thicket]

You'll wind up with 4 belts minimum of plastic and rubber, so start playing around with your numbers of machines and see how you can divide things by 4s, or any other round number you choose. Start from the end and work your way back.

[dense violet]

do it in chunks of like 300, repeat until you have final amounts

[trim vine]

Yeah, thats whats going to have to happen, its just getting everything thats meant to cycle into each other, and whats suppose to pop out

Thats where I cant visualize it

[dense violet]

300 rubber to
600 plastic to
1200 rubber seems like a good start. Then you have to play around with the numbers to use a portion to continue the process

[trim vine]

I am also trying to jumpstart both processes with just the polymer resin 😛

[dense violet]

easy? it shows you on the plan how much you can use for both

[prisma thicket]

Also remember, tools is giving you the minimum number of machines to use, you can adjust clock speeds slightly to make it nicer numbers to work with. 60 is much easier to handle than 57

[trim vine]

Agreed, its the logistics of it, but I will start building tomorrow and solutions will come to me on exactly HOW to move the stuff thats needed, I'm just stuck looking at it as a whole right now versus smaller chunks

[trim vine]

of course, its going to have to just based on belt speeds 😛

But, future WhosDad will deal with it, I'm off to bed, thanks 🙂

[dense violet]

solved in #screenshots

900 + 1000 + 800 rubber for a total of 2700

[cyan meadow]

If I use a tier 3 blueprint designer to make a blueprint, carry it over to a new save where I don't have tier 3 blueprints unlocked yet. Can I still place the blueprint? I know I can't load or edit it, just curious if I can place it still.

[sullen gull]

I believe you'd still have to unlock the mk1 BPD, but otherwise yes.

[dense violet]

you can build it yes

[cyan meadow]

ty

[honest flume]

If I find a harddrive and select an alternative recipe, do I HAVE to use that recipe or can I decide to use to original or alternate?

Like, can I use the original recipe in some parts of my factory, and the alternate in other places in my factory?

[sullen gull]

Yes

[dense violet]

you can use any recipe yo uhave access to

[sullen gull]

It just unlocks the alts in the recipe tab of the relevant machines.

[dense violet]

howver and whenever you like

[honest flume]

thnx

[dense violet]

and you'll never be locked out of getting some recipes, there are more than enough hard drives for all of them

[honest flume]

sick

[dense violet]

there's basically no thing you can do that isn't reversable and you'll never lose the opportunity to do things in the game 🙂

aside from blowing up trees. those are just gone

[sullen gull]

Unless you want to bring them back with a save editor 😏

[shell obsidian]

What do you think will happen if I load up a save with over 250 mods?

I loaded up a save with 150 mods before but not 250

[prisma thicket]

If you have all the mods installed correctly and there's no compatibility issues, it will work just fine, albeit slow. If there's any compatability issues, it will break and either refuse to load or crash your game most likely.

[shell obsidian]

I have had issues where the game doesn't load

I have so many mods I am surprised my computer hasn't caught fire yet

I decided to use them all to make a custom satisfactory world

[lament vault]

is iron pipe recipe worth it?

[shell obsidian]

Debatably

It will drain all of your iron if you're using it for a large scale factory

[dense violet]

if you have a butt ton of iron around it lets you not need coal - but you often need so much of it you're better off wit hthe steel version a lot of the time

[prisma thicket]

It can be very good in certain situations, not worth it in others.

[dense violet]

what Zax said is basically true of every recipe. They are all situational 🙂

[prisma thicket]

I personally love Iron pipes and use it all the time, but it is a big Iron sink as others have said.

[shell obsidian]

I made a factory in the middle of the dune desert, hardly any coal anywhere near me and I only needed a small amount of pipes a minute so I used the iron pipe recipe. I too love the iron pipe recipe and don't like working with steel so I would recommend it. But at the end of the day everyone is going to have their own opinions and thoughts.

[dense violet]

and often times the things you need Steel pipes with will require other parts that need steel, and while you can fanangle things to cut steel out and make it all out of iron, the iron demands start to sky rocket

[shell obsidian]

Definitely

[prisma thicket]

It makes some things possible that otherwise aren't, like Iron only motors - the base recipe would require Iron, Coal and Copper - or Steel-less Heavy Modular Frames.

[shell obsidian]

I also had another factory there where I was manufacturing 20 magnetic field generators a minute. I had to use steel beams for versatile framework and eventually I just gave in and used the normal pipe recipe

[lament vault]

like i'm doing a small 5 motors/minute factory and idk if there would be need for steel since I can get the iron required

[shell obsidian]

Their are no iron beam recipes, developers

[prisma thicket]

If you have easy access to the iron and no coal nearby, that's a perfect situation to use Iron Pipes

[shell obsidian]

100%, what they said

[prisma thicket]

Iron Pipes, Iron Wire and Steel Rotors makes the Iron only Motors factory a great option for areas with limited access to coal.

[shell obsidian]

Also you should use satisfactory modeler/calculator to plan out your factories so you don't end up draining all the resources around you and not having enough in this case iron near you to make anything else

[prisma thicket]

Don't forget satisfactorytools.com, I find it's slightly better than calculator for planning as it optimizes for saving resources and chooses the most efficient alt recipes to use with that goal in mind. Calculator can be hit or miss when including a lot of alt recipes.

[oblique thunder]

do enemies stop spawning in an area of a factory?

[prisma thicket]

If you have enough powered buildings nearby, enemies will stop spawning yes

[oblique thunder]

oh nice

[shell obsidian]

Can someone make a no hatcher mod I hate the hatchers

[prisma thicket]

The trick to hatchers is crouch-walking up to them, they won't notice you even if you hit them while crouched

[oblique thunder]

they don't???

[shell obsidian]

I know but I have a certain phobia and for some reason the hatchers trigger that phobia really badly

[oblique thunder]

oh myyyyy

thanks bro it works

[prisma thicket]

Nope. next time you see a closed hatcher, try crouching up to it, it won't even open up, you can kill it freely as long as you stay crouched

[oblique thunder]

does it work when you're sliding?

[shell obsidian]

I thought it always got agroed if you attack it

[oblique thunder]

me too bro

[prisma thicket]

As long as you stay crouched after the slide, they don't open.

[shell obsidian]

Also the hatcher crabs are the only things that can attack you on passive mode

[oblique thunder]

thank you!

[shell obsidian]

What mods do you all use if you do at all?

[prisma thicket]

I'm no mods myself, also recently moved to experimental so mods wouldn't work anyways lol

[shell obsidian]

Yeah I keep on switching back and forth from experimental and stable

Use the elevator icon pack for satisfactory

It works on 1.1 because it doesn't depend on SML (whatever that is)

[stray patio]

Should i first go after Trains or Industrial Manufacturing

[willow agate]

Guys, If I'm trying to make Rotors and I want to maximize that, I'd need 120 iron ore a minute, but my 2 iron spots at 120 for something else, Can I just put that Iron Ore, overclock it to 240 and then just put a splitter, will that still keep the other systems at 100% or will a splitter screw that up because of the initial belt going into the splitter will be 120? I would have to make the initial belt that goes into the splitter to a mk3 right?

[prisma thicket]

That is entirely up to you, if you plan on using trains take that first, it's a faster milestone and it can help you moving stuff around for manufacturing after. If you don't plan to use trains, take manufacturing first to get it out of the way.

[stray patio]

i think i could do one of both instantly

[prisma thicket]

You need a mk.3 belt coming out of the miner to overclock to 240/minute

[dense violet]

if you have the belt speed for it, sure

[prisma thicket]

When I say faster milestone, I just mean the wait time for the freighter to return is shorter for trains than manufacturing. I think Manufacturing is a 15 minute wait, trains is 5-8

[willow agate]

But that works right, like I don't have to now go find a new iron ore spot, I can just put a mk2 miner, put it to 200% and put a mk3 belt from that into a splitter into a mk2 belt

like idk why i never figured this out, im still somewhat new to the game lol

[prisma thicket]

Yes, that will work just fine

[willow agate]

ty!

[stray patio]

ahh btw Nice elden ring pfp just noticed

[prisma thicket]

Lol ty, was my first character to beat the game 😛

[stray patio]

Nice haha. i got carried through my first run sadly. i regret it but i atp i beat a few fromsoft games

Plat on Elden ring and Bloodborne

[prisma thicket]

I haven't played much BB, too reliant on shields in other FS games lol

[stray patio]

i never used shields haha i double weild swords usually

i love the parry system in bb just straight up shooting them

[prisma thicket]

A dex main, I see 😛

[stray patio]

either that or Strength

Double hammer go boom

did you play shadow of the erdtree?

[prisma thicket]

Yes, took me forever to beat the last boss, but I did manage it before it got nerfed, quite proud of that one.

[stray patio]

i cheesed him with lightning perfume bottles. like i couldnt even hit him i tried for HOURS and i couldnt see his pattern

but only him i beat all other ones legit

messmer was awesome

[sturdy mural]

how did i guess that 5 uranium rods /min is gonna be a good recipe

and how do YOU guys get rid of the excess sulfuric acid

[pearl walrus]

Should I spend the 16.99 on an amazon bloodborne copy? Im a huge soulslike fan but it always seemed like a fuss

[prisma thicket]

I'd say either package and sink it, or use it for some leached ingots, maybe Caterium if you're doing lots of Nuclear stuff

[stray patio]

bb is really good to me but keep in mind it only runs on 30 fps

i 100% main game and dlc

[pearl walrus]

Ye ik...🥲

Id have to play in 1.0 ir whatever version the blue ray gives me, i have no internet at the pöace I live

[stray patio]

it wont change much tbh

[pearl walrus]

Sick

[stray patio]

no cummmfpg dungeon for you

[pearl walrus]

Uhm

[stray patio]

thats a dungeon code literally

[sturdy mural]

is mycelia finite?

[stray patio]

it gives you if you wanted to unlimited Blood echos (souls)

[prisma thicket]

I believe so, since it's from plants that aren't supposed to respawn

[sterile blade]

Do note that they offer an "ad-free" experience for Patrons

[prisma thicket]

Welcome to the party Ven, that message was from 3 days ago, just so you're aware.

[sterile blade]

Terrible!
What sort of maniac would try?!

[sterile blade]

The Internet is forever

[prisma thicket]

True, just some people might be confused by your delayed replies is all xD

[sterile blade]

There's not enough sushi content for me to check on daily, so I often end up reacting/replying to old messages 😅

[sacred summit]

My co-op partner said he's burning out so my Satisfactory run may have come to its end -big sobs-

[sterile blade]

Doggos can ||break that limitation for most collectable items||

[sterile blade]

Don't like the solo experience? ^^

[prisma thicket]

True, but that's not a guaranteed way of getting it, so you can still call it "finite" in a sense at least.

[sacred summit]

It's not my favorite automation/logistics management game, so I don't know how much solo energy I got left in me tbh

[sterile blade]

Burning out is not cool (pun intended), so it's best avoided ^^
This game just gets better when you leave it be, anyway :P (Updates)

Or you could try out a more leasurly savefile on your own, with mods or whatnot

(There's TONS of mods, they can change the game a lot)

[sacred summit]

Yeah, Captain of Industry just dropped a train update last week anyway, so if I do end up having to take a break, I'll still be Satisfactory adjacent 😅

[fresh wharf]

Hey, how do I tame lizard doggos? I just pet them then they run away

[prisma thicket]

Drop a paleberry on the ground and move away from it, they'll come eat it, then you can interact with them.

[stray patio]

how do i put blueprints from SCIM into the game

[sterile blade]

I think moving away is unnecessary. Just not running should suffice ^^

[prisma thicket]

I tend to treat them like actual dogs lol when they are scared give them space sort of deal

[stray patio]

??

[past summit]

hello

i was trying to get on satisfactory modding discord but its unavaliable

so i came here

[prisma thicket]

I'm not sure how copying/importing/exporting bp's works sorry

[arctic swallow]

AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\blueprints(the save you want BP in)

[stray patio]

no worries

[stray patio]

Thanks man

[arctic swallow]

you need to turn off then on the game after you add the file

[stray patio]

i dont see a bp folder

[sullen gull]

Have you created and saved a BP in the game yet?

[stray patio]

nope

i shall do it now

[sullen gull]

Do that. doesn't need to be anything crazy. Just a foundation or something .

[stray patio]

on it 👍

okay it worked

i wanted to test something but i wanna play legit haha

copper miner mk2 placable anywhere

deleted it again

[fresh wharf]

Oh, ok, I thought I had to kill them and scan their remains

[sullen gull]

You get some interesting insight from ADA when killing the harmless ones 😏

[prisma thicket]

Hmmmm do I use one normal oil node, or the 2 impure ones that are closer to where I'm building...

[arctic swallow]

all use all the nodes

[sullen gull]

Like, duuh

[prisma thicket]

I don't need that much lol, and I'm also limited in what I'm doing by belt speeds 😛

[arctic swallow]

you need it

[arctic swallow]

just make more belt lines?

[prisma thicket]

I can only get so much out of the miners though lol

[sullen gull]

For me personally, I grab all. unless you're planning something near the pure later on 🤷‍♂️

Then again, what's 'near' compared to the pure? lol

[prisma thicket]

Well the normal node is like 300 meters away, the impure ones are ~100 and 200 away

[arctic swallow]

make a factory next to the node and trasport rubber and plastic by belts

or use trains

[sullen gull]

Psssfhh, that's nooothing

[prisma thicket]

I'm making a turbofuel power plant, the belt limitations is on the coal and sulfur I need

[sullen gull]

Yeah, but you'll eventually have the faster belts 🙂

Which belt are you short? Mk5? 6?

[prisma thicket]

Mk.4 atm, still in phase 3

[sullen gull]

Gotcha

Er, wait, so am I lol. Havn't even touched phase 4 yet 😏

[prisma thicket]

You drinkin again or what? Lol

[sullen gull]

Haha, I've just been mucking with this aluminum factory with different projects related, not related, and not even caring that I don't have mk6 belts and the other later stuff yet. Building 'as if' I had I guess. and just upgrade later.

[prisma thicket]

Aluminum... is phase 4 lol xD

[sullen gull]

Oh, just haven't done any of the elevator parts yet. And no, it's just late and probably should have been asleep a while ago 🤣

[prisma thicket]

Ahhhh gotcha 😛 well maybe you should at least ATTEMPT to sleep lol well aware actually sleeping is difficult for some of us

[sullen gull]

Pish posh magosh. Go build your TF plant 😏

[warped iron]

how far apart do railway tracks need to be again

[arctic swallow]

sleeping = no factory building = no saving humanity = shame

[sullen gull]

And the puppies die 😭

[dusky relic]

No no you don't understand

When I sleep, I design the factories in my dreams

So I don't need to waste my time awake doing that

[arctic swallow]

who cares about designing the factory the factory needs to be build

[dusky relic]

Without designing it, it cannot be efficient

[prisma thicket]

The question becomes can you remember those dreams to build what you came up with? xD

[dusky relic]

I remember all my dreams

[arctic swallow]

[sullen gull]

Ahh, and then just pop up, whip em together and voila!

[prisma thicket]

If only it were that easy xD

[sullen gull]

That's talent though. For reals.

[stray patio]

Okay i got my first ever SAM factory up

SAM Fluctuator

[fresh wharf]

Manufacturer saves lives

[arctic swallow]

i haven't even finished my oil factory that will use 12600 oil 😭

[fresh wharf]

@stray patio Now make a computer factory because you're gonna need it for forever

[stray patio]

god

#screenshots my time to explore eh?

[prisma thicket]

You only need so many SAM fluctuators, they are for upgrades in the MAM and building the buildings, but the Reanimated SAM is used for a bunch of stuff in phase 5

[dusky relic]

I just finished my computer and HMF factory

[fresh wharf]

You can either make spaghetti conveyors with splitters or only a few manufacturers making a computer per year
That's basically your two choices

[dusky relic]

One was a lot easier to design than the other

[sullen gull]

In your dreams?

[dusky relic]

Designed in my dreams, then built

[fresh wharf]

I'd find it hard to visualize the spaghetti conveyor system