satisfactory

[wheat reef]

never ask me why i need to transport it all

[dusky relic]

I think it'd be easier to not transport everything

[wheat reef]

[prisma thicket]

I'd say make stuff like concrete and screws onsite at the very least, same with circuit boards and stators since they aren't really used for building anything.

[dusky relic]

If you're transfering concrete and steel beams, you may as well make reinforced beams there

[trim vine]

ok, ummmm

Transporting concrete and screws via trains will not be fun for you

The reason being is they stack to 500 and take awhile,

You will basically need to consider stacksize, and throughput.

For example, me transporting a 600 node of sulfur goes evenly into 3 cars, and makes a few minutes round trip and works perfectly

Depending on the distance, you will need more or less cars depending on your PartsPerMinute

Roughly how far apart are points A and B

[dusky relic]

Is it only A -> B, or more trips

[trim vine]

only a to b

[wheat reef]

roughly green fields to northern desert ^^

I am weird

[dusky relic]

DAMN 😭

[trim vine]

so about 3 biomes.....

[dusky relic]

Bro just build your factory somewhere else 😭

[trim vine]

make multiple stations

[dusky relic]

Or multiple trains

[trim vine]

is my advice

you CAN figure out to balance a massive freight train, but think about it like this;

You are moving 16 different resources, depending on the number being made per minute, you will need 1-5 cars per resources

assume a worse case scenario, thats 80 freight cars

[dusky relic]

Actually that's a good question, how much items per minute do you need

[trim vine]

Do with that knowledge what you will

but, if you do build a massive train like that, PLEASE send me a screenshot

[wheat reef]

you wish to see a long train>

[trim vine]

-stares in yes-

[dusky relic]

My HMF factory I just made requires like 750 iron and limestone alone. I have it split between 5 different trains and even then it's close

[sacred summit]

TBH, this is the thing that I want

[trim vine]

good lawd

[sacred summit]

Not necessarily that exact scenario, but maaaaassive trains

Moving massive loads of cargo

[trim vine]

@wheat reef another long train man over here 😉

[wheat reef]

cool

[sacred summit]

OH, to answer this question earlier (it didn't look like many people responded. If I understand right, and you really jsut want to make the "shell" look more interesting, you've already done the first rule (use different textures to break up the monotony. The second would be to use decorative, creative means to add "depth" to the wall. Roughness, texture

[trim vine]

oh, I forgot, just adding in random pipes with wall and floor holes, and colouring them random colours that are on theme, look AMAZING

[sacred summit]

Just breaking up the edges can do a lot, if you get creative. I like the way "complex" shapes with the pillars look

Before: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1375320454495207524/image.png
After: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1375320455229214800/image.png

Don't know that I'd use that exact design, but it was like a 2 minute thing to demonstrate the idea 😅

[zenith pecan]

Also you can use glass curtain walls and mix in sloped glass to make this sort of effect #satisfactory-experimental message , it easilly breaks up the basic box.

[sacred summit]

oh fuck around 🤣 I'll be stealing that

Seriously though, that is awesome. I like the slick, futuristic look it gives

A bit cyberpunkish

[zenith pecan]

Unpainted look on the ficsit walls, honeycomb glass walls and the 4 metre sloped glass roof sections make up the outer shell of the power station in the clip.

[prisma thicket]

Does anyone know if Geothermal power plants are all on the same cycle or do they start the cycle just as you build them?

[zenith pecan]

The two smaller structures nearby the towers handle byproducts, one makes 240 rubber/plastic from the resin, the other, while still under construction will throw out more than 4k steel thanks to the volumous compacted coal from the rocket fuel production.

[trim vine]

your towers truly look amazing dude

What all are you making in them?

Ahhhh, steel

[prisma thicket]

Oh sick, geothermals don't share a cycle, that means you can stagger them to get a higher effective output on average, as long as you do it right. Too bad there's not more of them, you could possibly get nearly 550 MW constantly with enough Pure geysers.

[zenith pecan]

Not quite, the rubber, plastic & steel are the results of processing byproducts, here's the true product #satisfactory-experimental message , lots and lots of power.

[trim vine]

Turbofuel plant?

[prisma thicket]

Rocket fuel

[zenith pecan]

Rocket fuel.

[trim vine]

regular or nitro?

[zenith pecan]

Nitro.

[trim vine]

you dawg

[split prairie]

does anyone know the max distance which i can connect two lift floor holes without having to be constantly going up and down stairs?

[boreal musk]

it has infinite distance

[trim vine]

there is no limit

[zenith pecan]

The towers are large enough that they can be seen clearly from any point on the map provided you're not behind something.

[prisma thicket]

I find the best way to do it is to start from the top and just jump down with a parachute or jetpack

[trim vine]

Would love a tour one of these days 😛

[split prairie]

im trying to make sky roads but i exaggerated too much on the height and now its incredibly tiring and difficult (not to mention resource intensive) to set the lift floor holes

[split prairie]

no i dont mean that, i mean the max distance which i can connect them without too much hassle

[trim vine]

based on your skyhighway, no good answer

[zenith pecan]

There are four main towers and the two smaller structures, three for producing fuel and their upper floors burn the fuel to generate the mass of power, the fourth is the support tower, that has the power amps that make the already ridiculous amount of power even more nuts, and 7776 power stores because I could, and the smaller buildings dealing with byproducts.

[latent prawn]

if you pixel hunt for the floor hole, they'll extend an unlimited distance, but practically, i find more than ~200 meters and the pixel hunting gets to be frustrating

[split prairie]

yes im doing this but my roads are just wayyy too high from the ground, its taking me like 20 minutes to setup one truck station with 2 lift floor holes

[latent prawn]

if you're doing a lot of vertical item transport, you may want to bp a tower full of lifts that makes some of the chore less tedious

[dense violet]

I think 48 m? from memory thats how long you can make a lift

im sure it's on the wiki

[latent prawn]

yeah, they extend to a max without anchor point to 48 or 50m, but you can stretch them to a mated floor hole any distance

the problem is the distances make it very difficult to find the right pixel to aim at

[split prairie]

yes, mine are probably somewhere around 80-150m from the ground, so its super tiring, setting up ladders, measuring foundations etc then climbing 60-80m of ladders twice and hoping it works on each first try

[split prairie]

how would i do that?

[latent prawn]

i once had a base in NF overhanging the canyon and had a lot of that going on. I avoid such things at this point

idk, make some type of supporting structure for your roads that stacks and has the floor holes pre-build so you could just hover up the stack and connect lifts or something

sometimes you gotta get clever with what your goal is to save on building time

[split prairie]

problem is from the ground the build gun doesnt seem be able to reach the lift floor holes

[latent prawn]

it can if they're perfectly aligned, but with truck stations, that can be challenging. mine are often not on the grid

[split prairie]

dont know if im missing something but so far it has been going up and down ladders

[sacred summit]

Building off-grid... what kind of heathen sacrilege are we promoting in here...

[split prairie]

i think ive been like 3h doing this and managed to get 3 truck stations setup

[latent prawn]

maybe you can make a support walkway at the halfway point that lets you aim at both endpoints at half the distance?

[split prairie]

its just taking too long so im looking to other solution thats quicker

[latent prawn]

but you might also just want to scrap the sky road as a bad idea™️ and rethink your approach

sucks to say that, but sometimes failures lead to better future results

[split prairie]

what would be a better solution? i was trying that cause im having constant problems with deadlocks, trucks running into each other cause the paths they can take are tight, also lots of tractors running out of fuel

[sacred summit]

Would tiling it in blueprint format, and aligning to world-grid make it less of a problem for you?

[prisma thicket]

Creativity sometimes demands sacrifices xD

[trim vine]

Trains

[latent prawn]

trucks and tractors are really troublesome when your routes intersect. they're meant to be more lightweight of a solution to things like last-mile problems to get stuff to trains

[trim vine]

Setting up a train network is a large project, however, once it is set up, its there forever, and can always have more added to it, both in terms in pathways and stations

[split prairie]

but where do i build the railways? somewhere high or just on the foundation on the ground?

[sacred summit]

It does feel like that, and I dislike that, tbh. Just thinking rationally/sensibly, trucks/tractors should be doing the lion's share of transport, and conveyors doing the more tactile moving on site. 😭

[prisma thicket]

Also, if you're getting frustrated or disheartened with a project, sometimes it's good to take a break, grab a bite to eat or something to drink, then go back to it when you feel a bit better

[latent prawn]

tbh, i don't know how or if people who set up a lot of roads and have a fair bit of trafic on them ever have things work w/o problems

[trim vine]

People have different preferences, I LOVE going with the terrain

[latent prawn]

my experience is that when vehicles start bumping into one another weird stuff happens like the vehicles teleporting to (0,0) on the map

[prisma thicket]

Trains just fall over at that point at least 😛

[split prairie]

i have them unlocked but never built them yet, so dont want to add more difficulty

[trim vine]

I tagged you in my train thread

And..... gonna tag you in a screenshot to give you an idea

[prisma thicket]

Honestly, I think trains are easier to set up than tractors or trucks, since you just lay down the path you want it to take and it HAS to follow that path.

[latent prawn]

i've completely lost tractors, had them end up stuck in pavement, cause massive failures throughout factories, etc. at this point i use them for simple tasks and they work reliably, but I know when I try to get complicated with them, all hell will break loose

[sacred summit]

I don't have a lot of traffic, but I have a few with intersecting paths. Generally, it seems they're fixed to where they'll end up teleporting back "on path" if something blocks them or if they fall or come to some obstacle.
But I did have one instance where two were crossing a bottleneck head-on, and they just froze and stood there.

[trim vine]

the pinkish lines are my railways

[latent prawn]

yeah, they have a propensity to deadlock on me when the routes intersect

[trim vine]

Design a blueprint for the train tracks as well, it will make your life 10000x easier

[sacred summit]

We need some sort of... intersection/right-of-way structure 😅

[latent prawn]

railways really are a much better solution to long distance transport

[sacred summit]

Oh for sure.

Well, I say that assuming they're like Factorio - I haven't used them in SF

[latent prawn]

i do use trucks and tractors whenever they seem to fit. the extra activity of the vehicles puttering around is nice

in my current playthrough, in dune desert, i'm using a truck to round up the lower tier goods from a town style early game build

[sacred summit]

In later-game, is there anythign that approximates Factorio's circuit/logistics network mechanics?

[latent prawn]

unfortunately, i haven't found much else that i've been able to use them for and my early game solution for it all is starting to be a nagging thing i need to rethink

[latent prawn]

nope, nothing like that

[sacred summit]

Big cries....

[latent prawn]

trains do have a limited level-triggered dispatching mechanism, but it is really awkward to use

[leaden ether]

Huh, there seems to be a limit of 50 save files...

[prisma thicket]

Like individual saves or entirely different "sessions"?

[leaden ether]

One session, 50 saves. I've been saving a checkpoint every day manually, but when I try to create a 51st save file (Actually 41 plus some other names and the three autosaves) it just doesn't create a new file.

I deleted some older saves and now I can create another new one.

I bet this is a limit dictated by steam or something

[prisma thicket]

That might be a limit of steam's cloud storage. I know Grim Dawn has a similar situation, where you can only create 50 characters on the cloud save, but when cloud saving is turned off, you can have unlimited characters.

[leaden ether]

Yup, makes sense.

[merry kettle]

A proper skyway is a much bigger project than you'll expect it to be, especially if you don't want it to look bad

[dense violet]

I think that's a bug. or cloud I guess. I've had way more saves

I keep mine local though

[merry kettle]

#screenshots message is like ... 5% done. Probably 30% done with map coverage, then I need to come back and back the supporting structure look less tenuous.

Granted the train stations are relatively straightforward, but running the truck routes will be annoying.

[dusky relic]

Do the trains not drive through the roofs there?

[merry kettle]

Nope!

It is, granted, a somewhat narrow thing, and I have to be careful with inclines.

[limber rock]

A friend of mine decided to ride the freighter when we completed a milestone and had a couple power shards on them when they died. We can't seem to find a way to get to the death crate's location and all of our saves are after the incident. Is there any way to get them back?

[merry kettle]

There's an interactive map thing that I believe will let you move them, but if it's just power shards, they're replaceable

[prisma thicket]

Whoever is the host of the save can use Satisfactory-calculator or SCIM to move the death crate so you can get those items back, or just delete the crate so it's not showing on your compass anymore.

[sacred summit]

Just to make sure I understand the use-case, Smart Splitters' Overflow... Can be used to saturate one output belt, and then put the remaining down another output? For instance, let's say I'm putting 450/min screws down a belt, and I have assemblers that will use 400/min... Once the intial saturation is done, will the overflow allow me to continue pumping 400/min to the assemblers, and the other 50/min elsewhere?

[prisma thicket]

Exactly correct

[dusky relic]

Correct

[vernal patrol]

correct

[prisma thicket]

You can even get that 400/50 split faster if you prime the assemblers first by putting a full stack of screws in each

[sacred summit]

oooh, touche

[dusky relic]

You could also just use a normal splitter and wait an hour for the other machines to fill up and overflow into the 400/m 💀

[prisma thicket]

Another way to do something similar with normal splitters is to use a throttling belt. Say you have 360 items coming into a splitter and you want 120 to go one way and 240 to go another, you can just use a mk.2 belt to only allow 120 per minute out of one output, and the rest will be forced down the other output.

[sacred summit]

Man I wish I'd asked that sooner... I was waiting to come across something like "priority splitter" or something. My first impression was that smart splitter was really for throwing multiple items down a single belt, and that sounds like a horrible thing to do in this game anyway - minus perhaps a "mall" type storage

[prisma thicket]

Smart splitter manifolds are good for feeding manufacturers, assuming you have the belt speed to match the inputs and put an awesome sink at the the end to deal with any overflow.

[sacred summit]

I mean, on factorio, you at least have two sides to a belt, and can kind of organize things appropriately that way. Multiple items on a single lane SF belt just seems like it's begging for disaster

[dusky relic]

I really only use smart splitters for splitting into a sink

[dusky relic]

Usually sushi belts are awful... But I know someone best the game only using them

[merry kettle]

You can also use a vehicle to drop off all the supplies, split them off, and dump the excess and products into another vehicle to go back to a facility for re-sorting

[prisma thicket]

Smart splitters and Programmable splitters make sushi belts not terrible to deal with in this game actually

[dusky relic]

Imagine if you were forced to sushi

Like all machines are forced 1 input

[prisma thicket]

Since you can set an item for 2 outputs + an overflow for smart splitters, and as many items as you want with a programmable splitter I think not 100% sure on the limitations of programmables yet

[sacred summit]

I feel like the lack of tactile control on what gets put on when, it'd be worth far more trouble than the payoff.

[dusky relic]

It's best to be avoided

[sacred summit]

A good Factorio sushi belt (IMO) relies on circuit network logic and whatnot, so you can keep proper amounts of each item on the sushi belt and not get over-saturated with a single item and screw it all up.

[prisma thicket]

Honestly, it seriously makes logistics for manufacturers far simpler, again assuming you have the belt speed for it. One line of 4 smart splitters for the inputs on a manufacturer, with each splitter set to one item to the left or right and the center set to overflow, as long as your belts are up to snuff and your numbers are right, you can manifold a bunch of them together no problem. I did 10 manufacturers on one line of smart splitters and it worked flawlessly.

[sacred summit]

Either I'm not visualizing it properly, or we have a slightly different take on what a sushi belt is?

[last jackal]

Even if you have 5-6 items on one belt, if the belt is fast enough and have proper sorters, and then a failsafe sink at the very end for overflow. This is literally never a problem.

[prisma thicket]

All items on one belt, correct?

[last jackal]

I had about 7 items incoming from a single train car but I had zero issues with the line clogging as I set up a proper sorting system with a sink.

I also had low amount of turbofuel + high amounts of alu casing through a single truck line, never had issue with that either with smart sorters + sink.

[sacred summit]

Yes, but I also look at it more like a "literal" sushi belt. that circles around on itself. Like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375345962960162897/image.png

The idea being that item(s) circles around it until being pulled off by the machines. And it continues to circle around until used.
The problem I see with this is, without being able to control the condition in which a new item comes on the belt, you very very very very very often run into a matter where one item becomes predominant, the item "needed" is not able to be fed onto the sushi belt, and then it becomes a deadlock

So I'd have a splitter, inserter, enter-mechanic-from-your-game-here to feed items onto the belt, and then one to take it off. And only when item x is removed, is another one of item x allowed to be put on the belt

[last jackal]

Then... don't make it that way?

[sacred summit]

Well no shit.

I wouldn't. But if I was going to make something I called a sushi belt (me, myself, what I consider it), I would make it according to what I called a sushi belt.

[last jackal]

afaik, when this discord says "sushi belting" it means a mixed belt.

[prisma thicket]

This is why we have precise inputs/outputs and the awesome sink. It's not exactly the same, but it's similar enough.

Also with smart splitters, remember they have to fill the buffer of a machine before that line is saturated, at which point it gets overflowed with the rest of the parts.

[sacred summit]

Yeah, for sure. If you fed it from a constructor that was underclocked to the exact ratio you need, that'd work great.

I think...

Now ya kinda got me interested in trying that out at some point 🤣

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message This is what I mean, and there's no overflow because of the exact amounts being fed into the belt.

[sacred summit]

Very nice

So if you decided to expand that, how would you go about it? Would you just have to clear out the line?

Like, lets say you were going to bump it up from 10 manufacturers to 15... now you need 50% more of each item.
Ignoring any limit of the belt speed, assume that's good.
Would you just clear out the line and set each assembler/constructor feeding that belt to now make 50% more?

[prisma thicket]

If I wanted to expand it, I'd need faster belts for one, a mk.6 belt could probably do double that. The limit is belt speed, so you need your total input for all the machines to be less than your max belt speed, or you need to split it into smaller manifolds and pre-split the resources going to each input line.

But not a lot of manufacturer recipes take high volumes of items, so it's still fairly versatile.

You can also use the same method on assembler manifolds if you want, again as long as the belt speed keeps up

[trim vine]

50% increase on 600 is a lot

50% increase on 10 is 15 😛

[sacred summit]

Touche, I was just curious on how he'd ensure he was able to increase the pull off the belt without creating issues, since this seems to rely on precisely constructing X/min to feed exactly what the belt needs.

[prisma thicket]

Exactly. Since the total input for those ten machines is I think 280, it's no problem with mk.4 belts, and mk.6 could easily double the size of the line, but if it's more than 1200/min total, you just need to split it up into smaller manifolds with separate input lines.

[trim vine]

Smart split surplus into a crate and sink

[sacred summit]

Ah, I thought by "no overflow" he meant that it didn't have that, that he only put on it exactly what he needed for 10 manufacturers

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message Exactly

[prisma thicket]

That particular manifold has no overflow, the overflow belt is purely there as a failsafe

[sacred summit]

Gooootcha.

Okay, fair enough. See now I'm also understanding a difference in how I've approached sushi from other games versus this one here.

In other titles, part of the "benefit" of a sushi belt is to limit how much is being created of a particular item. Have enough to create 439508 per second if you want, but the looping sushi (like I showed) limits you to only creating however much the sushi pulls off.

This sort of sushi is more like "fuck it, build all the things and then just sink them."

That makes a lot more sense now

[prisma thicket]

Yup, that's pretty much how it goes with everything in this game, you either build exactly what you need so there is nothing left or you send all excess to the sink and reap the coupon benefits lol

It's a major reason the main 3rd party tools we use (being satisfactory calculator and satisfactory tools) generally ask you to select an item and how much of that item you want to produce per minute, because then it calculates exactly how much of everything earlier in the production line you need to create that and leave nothing extra.

Sure with alt recipes sometimes you wind up with funky numbers, but with careful balancing and clock speed manipulation, you can get that 4.26 items per minute to go along the output line to it's next stop.

[last jackal]

The sink just solves all of our problems.

[prisma thicket]

Our lord and saviour, the Awesome Sink lol

[last jackal]

Truly. I don't know how I'd do plastic & rubber production without it.

[prisma thicket]

I'd barely make it into phase 2 without pulling my hair out without it lol

[sacred summit]

I'm phase 3 and not using one that way cringes

[prisma thicket]

That's totally fine, you do what works for you, just know the sink can help alleviate a lot of problems like dealing with byproducts except nuclear waste

[sacred summit]

I have 2 awesome sinks.
1 just sitting to the side for me to throw things in when I feel like it. Usually to clear my personal inventory and/or Alien DNA.
1 just sitting next to a mining node I'm not using to pour points into it 😅

[last jackal]

I kinda hold it off in super early phases as I just go by with minimum power generation.

Awsome sink is kinda expensive to run when you're only on biofuel.

[sacred summit]

Oh no, I'll definitely use it more, now that I have a few better ideas for using it

[prisma thicket]

What do you do when your storage containers fill with items you've automated? You can just smart splitter overflow them to the awesome sink and have your production line going at 100% all the time.

[last jackal]

Is there a need for that though? Just leave it stopped.

[cloud marlin]

Does anybody know an easy way to destroy platforms that I've accidentally placed underground?

[sacred summit]

Oil generators go brrrrrrrrrrrrt

[last jackal]

My Phase 1 factories never have sinks attached to them. Why do I care if my plates, bars, screws, etc factories stop.

[prisma thicket]

I prefer to have all my machines running at 100% efficiency so I know exactly how much room I have on my power grid.

[last jackal]

???

You always know exactly how much room you have on your power grid at all times.

[prisma thicket]

The only machines I let sit idle are my biomass production and my one constructor for power slugs -> shards

[sacred summit]

I definitely see that, but if you're only using power that you need, when you need it, can't you pretty much still always know - but have the added benefit of not needing a power plant the size of Texas

[last jackal]

Just, keep the production above max consumption at all times.

[prisma thicket]

But but... it's fun to build giant power plants lol

[last jackal]

Going back to my old phase 1 factories for things like the first RIP factory, the first modular frame, the first rotor, and "improving" them to always have production is more of a hassle for me ngl.

[prisma thicket]

See that's why I like to do it the first time, so I just always have those parts being produced and put into either storage or the dimensional depot, and the rest sunk. I can just build away and never have to worry about upgrading my old factories, or even making new ones for those same parts.

[sacred summit]

I can see the desire for it though, given how many useful things seem to be gated by the awesome shop.

[last jackal]

You will have to make more RIP factories than the first one you will ever make...

Doing it right for the first time is... Well if it floats your boat?

[sacred summit]

So wait... you have dedicated RIP factories?

[last jackal]

You don't?

[gray ermine]

With a mk2 miner (overclocked to produce exactly 250) and mk3 conveyors my manifold is only up to 7 and the last 2 won’t catch up

[last jackal]

To be fair this "factory" is just a small one. Not this multi-story large factory that looks good enough to be a building.

[dense violet]

it takes time for a manifold to spin up

is your miner getting backed up?

[prisma thicket]

Not necessarily? Like my current save, I have everything from Iron Plates to rotors being produced all in one place, at reasonable enough rates that I can just build each new factory and make all the parts I need for production onsite.

[sacred summit]

I don't know enough work flows to know what I should have dedicated factories specifically for, so what I've got going on is:

1. A central "mall" style factory that builds iron plates, RIP, screws, rods, modular frames, copper sheets, wire cables, rotors and... I feel like something else I'm forgetting.
2. A steel mill that makes steel beams, steel pipes and encased beams.

And them I'm working on a few dedicated facilities for things like motors, etc. For those types of facilities, I'm making RIP on-site to fill the need there.

And I'm progressing at a slow enough pace that those seem to be geting me by

[dense violet]

going up the tiers it's entirely up to you

personally I don't make a dedicated anything factory, and just allow things to back up and fill containers for personal use

[gray ermine]

No, wait the smelters are taking 30/m each = 270/m total. Does that mean my money needs to be overclocked to 270?

*miner

[dense violet]

well you need to supply a manifold with at least enough ppm for the system to work yes 🙂

manifolds only care about 2 things

1. enough ppm for hte system's needs
2. enough belt throughput for it

[gray ermine]

My brother ran the calculations, he clearly isn’t very bright lol 🤣

[dense violet]

(belt manifolds that is, fluids are a different story, they need more)

[dense violet]

some of the best mathematicians I know are attrocious at arithmatics xD

[gray ermine]

He even used a calculator 💀

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message This is my phase 1 factory, produces all basic iron, copper and caterium items

[last jackal]

I kinda just bunch things around the node and that's kinda it. I never make foundations even quarter size of that 🤣

[sacred summit]

Woops, responded in screenshots...
I like that layout, but I can't bring myself to "sky base"

So having all of those items in one single little lump-sum facility, not exactly in my cards.

[dense violet]

good. skybases are a design crime

[last jackal]

I like putting things on the dirt floor.

[prisma thicket]

It's not actually that far off the ground to be honest lol

[sacred summit]

Fair, it just looks like you raised it high enough that you nullified the terrain

Again, I like how it looks, I don't care how others do it - it's single-player/co-op and not PvP for a reason

I just can't do it

[dense violet]

technically anything built on foundations has been raised high enough to nullify terrain. xD

but I know what you mean

[prisma thicket]

Only just, the first few foundations are butted right up against the rocks, even clipping into it in some points.

[last jackal]

Dirt floor supremacyyyyyyyyy.

Anyway, I only make foundations for things when I don't want to go horizontal for a tiny production area. Just keep it contained in like a 3x3 foundation size, build the first floor of miners and smelters, bring it up for production, bring it down again for ease of access storage or something.

Idk, I don't decorate. I yolo and I spaghetti. I am proud of my spaghetti and the mess I make in this game :P

[prisma thicket]

Hey, you do it however you have the most fun, don't let anyone take that from you.

[sacred summit]

Cannot do the spaghetti 🤣 I have tried, I don't have it in me.

I do appreciate some good "organized" spaghetti though

[last jackal]

#screenshots message I still love looking at my mess.

Meant to link that not that but eh.

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message This is me "following the terrain" lol

[sacred summit]

Kill it with fire.

[last jackal]

As you can see. Josh really was the person who inspired my love for this game.

[prisma thicket]

Lol gotta love it

[sacred summit]

I try to follow the terrain the best I can, within a handful of basic rules

1. I can't have clipping through my floor at all. if it would just deform the terrain enough that I wouldn't see grass through the floor, I'd have less terrain elevation.
2. I want all my "like" machines together. So if I need, for example, 10 constructors building a single component, I need to level it out enough to have those 10 together. If it's suitably large (25 or 30), I'll build multiple floors of grouping, to avoid having to get crazy with foundations.
3. I want at least a couple different floor levels to avoid the box look.
   https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375359707488714792/image.png

I am committing one probable cardinal sin, though... I'm using elevated platforms for my conveyors... just because the game feels pretty unfriendly toward using vehicles to handle transport.

Which leaves me with loads of conveyors outside... which in turn feels really unsightly to just string them wantonly all across the ground

[prisma thicket]

Could always adopt Taromani's underground tunnel method 😛 completely builds their own tunnels under the map, all nice and enclosed, and uses that to house all their logistics and such, with only a few towers dotting the landscape to handle big production projects lol

[steady violet]

$50 for a 2LP and we get a basic paper sleeve? dissapointing honestly, as is how long this is taking to ship

[low helm]

Only the sleeve which the vinyl is in, the 'case' which holds both vinyls is the quality carton with amazing artwork you'd expect

[steady violet]

Yeah the inner sleeve, the outer sleeve looks great though

only really gotten those cheap paper ones with stuff like Marvel or Disney soundtracks unsurprisingly

ordered mine over 3 weeks ago and not a word yet

[fathom grove]

What are sushi belts ? I only know Spaghetti belts (Why it has to be with food tho ?)

[quick oak]

https://tenor.com/view/running-sushi-liberec-food-feed-gif-26344105

they get their name from these

many different items on one belt, smart splitters cherry-pick items off of it to feed their machines

keeps spagetti to a minimum in smaller-throughput factories

[prisma thicket]

We had a whole discussion earlier about sushi belts lol they have their uses, as long as your belt speed can keep up.

[nimble whale]

Random question, what's your guys experience on transversal speed of boosted hyper tube network vs hyper tube cannons? From my feeling I'd say hyper tube cannons are slightly faster for the long routes, needs user interaction though, on short I'd say boosted network is faster? Has anyone done extensive testing on this?

[frail sleet]

You lose speed in a tube, you don't from a cannon (until you touch the ground)

so cannon is always faster

[elder apex]

faster velocity does not always equal faster travel, a lot of that velocity is being spent on the Z vector

[nimble whale]

Not in short for sure cos I have to boost a bit up and this tends to cost me speed, that's why I say on short travel I'm faster without

[frail sleet]

It goes where you aim it

you don't have to boost upwards

[nimble whale]

The travel from my storage to power plant takes about 5 seconds with boosted tube, the best Aim that is possible with cannon because there's a hill in-between is about 30 seconds

[elder apex]

well, if you are only looking to travel across flat areas of the map then you are indeed correct

maybe that special helmet you can get from the doggo cave is armor piercing and will let you hyper cannon through solid objects?

[frail sleet]

you can do much better i'm sure with air control. Don't think there's anywhere on the map i can't reach in 30 seconds

[nimble whale]

You probably can but on short routes I think this is a bit weird usually, I have to boost our of my valley to get up, I'd say if I build somewhere at a very high point I agree, for anything else I think this is overgeneralized, hence why I'm looking at other people's experience on this what to use over what, or if a combination of both is maybe the best

[frail sleet]

can also use tube entrances or walls to redirect if you have extra upwards velocity

[elder apex]

i just use a mod and get cheap portals from phase 0, I've already run around the map enough times

[nimble whale]

Might have to look into that, tbh rn I'm mostly using the cannon to yeet myself across the map for exploration

[elder apex]

i setup one cannon to do exploring and use the portals for base travel

[mortal ginkgo]

real alpha males only RP walk to assert dominance

[nimble whale]

I couldn't care less about being a real alpha male, especially when it means wasting hours of my life on walking lol

[elder apex]

you have proven your dominance, I'll keep my free time thank you very much

[mortal ginkgo]

woosh

[last jackal]

Just take a long hypertube / zipline and go get water / bathroom while you travel. So much less stress :P

[nimble whale]

yeah that's kinda what my idea was on hypertubes, build a big HT Network, select start and end and let the powered junctions do the work while I do something else ^^

[elder apex]

i did that once and ADA complained and docked my rations for the day

[prisma thicket]

ADA can be a real B*tch sometimes eh? 😛

[elder apex]

I can neither confirm nor deny that statement, as I have the game running in another window and ADA might be watching this chat.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> new possible mini ADA variant: ProcrastinADA - where ADA is all about being efficient for FICSIT, ProcrastinADA is the opposite.

[leaden turret]

alpha males are moot in Satisfactory, Pioneer is canonically female.

[mortal ginkgo]

Deepest lore that saddens me to no end brotherman 😔

I have to be strong, but sometimes I feel that I am strong for too long.

[leaden turret]

straining during pooping gives you heart attacks.

[spice patio]

Ok, that was uncalled from me.

Sorry.

[leaden turret]

Mini ADA in the packager that talks about maple syrup:

CanADA

[prisma thicket]

I resemble that remark 🇨🇦

[lean venture]

Hi, I just joined this server to ask something.
I recently found a relatively big bug in the game, and was curious if really no one found it so far.
At least I did not find anything semilar when I searched for it on the QA website.

Basically, placing an drone port in an blueprint designer breaks all sort of things, like, savign the blueprint, saves the one on the designer plus all other instances of that blueprint that where placed in the world into one gigantic blueprint.
Placing that and trying to delete it crashes the game.

I tested it multiple times, and its seems to be a consistent bug and I can reproduce it reliable.
I don't have mods installed right now, and never had in this world.
The save was created with 1.0 and also only played with 1.0, no experimental.

[leaden turret]

next step would be to test it in 1.1 to see if it already got fixed

[lean venture]

Yeah, I already thought about it, but did not yet have time to do it.

I did post it under the correct version on the QA site tough, so if it is already fixed in 1.1 (and known by the devs) they should be able to see that this bug is already fixed.

Its just annoying for me now, hopefully I don't find any bugs in my blueprint after building all ports, otherwise I will not be able to fix and save it without breaking everything again.

[verbal swallow]

is there any console commands to give resource to a player?

from Server Manager

[ancient dawn]

hey dudes, i just joined to ask if there are resources or if anyone has tips on building road blueprints that snap, without being boring on the underside?

I've been tinkering with bps and found that there is a gap if i make a 5x2 road and try to snap them together. Furthermore, if the underside of the road has any sort of detailing (like ramps, beams, sign lights, electric, etc) it snaps higher vertically and i cannot nudge vertically.

Does anyone have any tips to fix these roadblocks?

[leaden turret]

1.1 has vertical nudging

[ancient dawn]

okay i'll check it out, thank you!

other than vertical nudging is there a specific way to get them to snap properly whether its editing the build directly or placement wise? (i've tried both default and blueprint mode)

[leaden turret]

🤷‍♂️

[vernal patrol]

yippeee

heavy modular frames are automated

now for the manifolds to spin up...

[covert talon]

my trains are stuck but when i try to dismantle them it says they are moving? any quick fix to this?

[lean venture]

What do you mean with "stuck" ?

Like stuck in a train station, or stuck in the middle of the track ?

Can you still enter the train ?

[covert talon]

got it fixed, it was just on the track refusing to move, removed the other train on the track and it then let me dismantle

[green fiber]

Probably deadlock then due to bad signalling

[sacred summit]

Keep teasing me like this and I'm going to do some dirty things to you.

[scarlet canopy]

When I need to transport exactly 300 fuel per min do I use MK1 pipe (at limit) or MK2

[fluid sapphire]

if you have mk2 available i dont see any reason to not use it?

[sharp fulcrum]

there is some seriously good factories in the screenshots channel and im out here with a noodle conveyor belt on a one level factory with no roof 😂

[nocturne orbit]

where

where's praise for Satisfactory OST

I ask "where is it?" !

[sacred summit]

I'm snooty and have a pretty high standard for OST praise 😭

Not in an "it's bad" sorta way.
But in a "Is it Nobuo Uematsu good" sorta way?

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> request to pass onto Hannah: ADA Spoken Word album, when?

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message Some people are proud of the great sprawling factories they create, I'm just proud of little things like this lol

[sacred summit]

As you should be. The compact lift design is actually pretty good and helpful.

I just wish I'd stop trying to cram too much into too little space and forcing myself to need them 🤣

[prisma thicket]

First and second times successfully doing it on this build lol then again, I'm forcing myself to make proper use of the logistics floor for this one, and it's actually opened up some possibilities I otherwise wouldn't have considered 🙂

[sacred summit]

obligatory joke about cramming large quantities in small spaces

[prisma thicket]

Lol, that's what she said? 😛

[sacred summit]

My man 😂

Kindred spirits, peas in a pod and all that

6 Foundries in a 5x4 space 😅
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1375422428720795668/image.png

[fresh wharf]

Hey does raw quartz have a use other than being turned into the crate stuff?

[prisma thicket]

Raw quartz is used to make Silica and Quartz crystals, both of which are needed for production of later game items

[prisma thicket]

I have a 6 foundry blueprint that fits in the Mk.1 blueprint maker lol 4x4 by however tall a foundry is, and no clipping either.

[sacred summit]

OH, this is all on one floor

Unless that's what you meant

[prisma thicket]

Yup

[sacred summit]

In which case, if you have that, AND all the feeding/exiting in that 4x4 space, I'm impressed AF

[prisma thicket]

I posted screenshots

[boreal musk]

wdym by crate? drop pod?
also, raw quartz will be used in later half of the game

[sacred summit]

Same.

That's a very clean design

[swift kernel]

Okay I have to see this

[prisma thicket]

Yah saw TotalXclipse use it in a video and figured out how to build it myself 😄

[prisma thicket]

#screenshots message

[ember marten]

hi chat

[swift kernel]

Okay that's hot

Real spicy

[ember marten]

anyone has an estimate of how much performance i will get by upgrading from 5700x to 5700x3d

[tribal elk]

how often do drones get used

[reef basin]

Depends how often you build them

[prisma thicket]

It's relatively simple once you figure out how it's built, all feeding is done via lifts, and the output is a single line of mergers down the middle. Nice and compact, and depending on belt speeds you can get it to do just about any foundry recipe.

[sacred summit]

Yeah, the feeding part is easy to get, it's the cyclical product flow like that which I think would throw most people off

Very slick

[solid plover]

Sorry, quick question. If I need to send 80 plastic to 1 factory, and a 100 to another factory, should I load 80 into one freight car and 100 into another, or just all into one and it will hopefully balance out?

[prisma thicket]

How far apart are these factories?

[solid plover]

few hundred meters

[sacred summit]

Providing your factories are set to only use the 80 and 100, eventually they'll balance out where one can do it, I'm pretty sure.
Especailly if you preload the factory to capacity?

[solid plover]

So all into one freight car then you think?

[split badger]

i wish vehicles had a turbo, hold shift to increase acceleration and speed but uses more power

would help with the truck and tractor, and the explorer would zoom

[leaden turret]

new mini ADA: AccelerADA

[prisma thicket]

How far apart are the factories you're sending the plastic to?

[solid plover]

Few hundred metres

[dense violet]

you can do it in one car but it will take a long while to balance out

if it's a few hundred meters I'd just belt it

[prisma thicket]

You might be better doing it all in one freight car and then splitting it at the dropoff, and run belts to each factory

[solid plover]

I've already got one factory at capacity so that would balance it out pretty quickly then right?

[dense violet]

if you let the buffers fill? sure

[solid plover]

Might just give that a go for now. Thanks for the help guys!

[prisma thicket]

Happy to help

[sacred summit]

https://tenor.com/view/swat-gif-23877390

[coarse geode]

help my foundations are slightly rotated and i have no clue how to revert it

[sacred summit]

There's a certain mental capacity you need to achieve to be able to do that. It's above your ceiling.

[leaden turret]

upload save file to scim, edit rotations, download save file, load game, sorted

[dense violet]

its perfectly reasonable early on

[swift kernel]

Sinful

I can't believe the distance y'all would belt things

Unbelievable.

[fresh ruin]

I need a pictogram for the shuttle launch button.🥲

[robust nymph]

trains between machines :p

[swift kernel]

I'll never forgive this community for refusing to use the perfectly good truck system

[mortal ginkgo]

I am using tractors and kinda like the way they make my base more dynamic.

I even got bonked by one the other day. 10/10. Would get bonked again.

[swift kernel]

It's always hilarious when I'm in the middle of working and I'm just plugging along and suddenly ragdoll out of nowhere because I forgot I was working on the road

[atomic notch]

I was workin on some titan forest projects an i always got it on peaceful. Got to watch the spiders battle the hogs

Ig 2 teir2 spiders will just slaughter t1 hogs. They stand 0 chance

[fresh wharf]

No, like, the little blue crates holding smaller quartz crystals

[atomic notch]

Quartz crystals?

[fresh wharf]

No idea what they're called
So does raw quartz only have this use?

[atomic notch]

You just gotta do more quartz research

[fresh wharf]

No, what I meant is, does RAW QUARTZ only have this use
RAW QUARTZ specifically

[atomic notch]

No

[fresh wharf]

Ok thanks

[stray patio]

are mercer spheres for any craftables or mainly for lore?

[fresh wharf]

Craftables yes use the MAM

[stray patio]

i dont have SAM

[fresh wharf]

It's purple glowy ore it's usually in high ground or in caves

[atomic notch]

Gotta find some

[coarse geode]

schizophrenia ore

[stray patio]

i love fake ada

is it actually a corrupted ada or the voices using ada to communicate?

[fresh wharf]

Idk anyways just go find sam
I usually find it in the same area that uranium is in

[stray patio]

im phase 2

[fresh wharf]

So what?

[stray patio]

no big use yet no?

[fresh wharf]

You have mercer spheres and you just need SAM
Big use

Anyways when you unlock hypertubes make a hypertube launcher pointing at the sky to explore easier
When you're at max hp you can't die from fall damage

[stray patio]

fr?

[fresh wharf]

Search how to make a hypertube launcher on YT it just costs a bunch of rotors

Well since you're phase 2 you probably have a rotor factory by now

[stray patio]

yup

[fresh wharf]

Ok well make a hypertube launcher
Also get the jetpack if it isnt done

[atomic notch]

Jetpack p3

[fresh wharf]

Phase 3 is what tiers again?

[atomic notch]

5-6

[fresh wharf]

Oh Ok

[stray patio]

wait

mb im phase 3

😭

[fresh wharf]

Get jetpack

[atomic notch]

Lol

[stray patio]

on it rn

i wanna make a rotor factory but no spot has the fitting components around

[atomic notch]

Hypertube cannons are awesome. Build enough momentum u can fly across the map

Isnt just like an iron node? Lol

[stray patio]

iron copper and coal

[atomic notch]

Rotors or motors

[stray patio]

motor

[atomic notch]

Yeah

Theres a few spots

[boreal musk]

well u can eliminate both copper and coal with alts

iron wire and iron pipe

[atomic notch]

Iron pipe sucks imo

[coarse geode]

shoutout to them

[atomic notch]

Id rather turn the iron to steel then pipes

[coarse geode]

hate making steel bc i have to bring a belt of coal across the whole map

[tender raft]

pretty horrible but since iron is nearly infinite in the grand scheme of things it has its purpose

[prisma thicket]

I love the Iron pipe alt recipe, I use it all the time. Sure it takes a lot of Iron, but Iron is so common and it's so easy to increase the yield of the ore with basic iron, iron alloy and pure iron ingots.

[stray patio]

I NEED IT

[tender raft]

well if you're using all that then it becomes quite the large power sucker

id just go the extra effort and get coal at that point itd prob be easier

[prisma thicket]

Meh, I always build way more power than I need, just how I like to play.

[tender raft]

I mean me too but I still make smart power decisions

ive got like 600000 MW

my worlds on hold anyway though until they fix the factorytick issue in big worlds

[atomic notch]

Yeah i got a train bringin coal in so if i need steel i can just pull from that

Once i run out of coal i ccan just go pull from the steel factory i havent hooked up yet

Now that i got drones i can go pave the grasslands

[thick vine]

factory tick issue?

[tender raft]

in gigantic factories your belts slow down

and theres literally nothing you can do about it, 1200/min will become 1199.. 1198.. and so on

[reef forge]

im having dreams about encased industrial pipes i think im addicted to this game

[thick vine]

damn thats crazy. i thought those were just rumors?

[latent prawn]

i think you are overstating the problem

(and incidentally, missing an ore from a miner every now & then on an mk3 miner+mk6 belt isn't a big deal if you produce surplus

[tender raft]

sure its not but since I already started to see the issue present itself, and would require me to redesign quite a bit, im just waiting for a potential fix

It'd only get worse, and when i have tons of factories relying on 1200/min ore.. whatever

i needed a break from the game anyway, I play it too much and never play any other games in my backlog :)

[thick vine]

how did the issue show ups/

[tender raft]

#1362149713528488229 message

i had a 1200 belt that just seemed to quite literally never actually hit 1200, the last machine would always starve by the slightest amount or slowwwwly make its way down to stopping

even after watching the belt constantly for dips

sure "design it so that you dont rely on 1200"... I get it, but if miners are going to be affected, im not redesigning half my world to not use 1200/min from deposits

[thick vine]

its impossible to design it so u dont rely on 1200 if u use all the sam for example

cause theres no way to get all the sam that doesnt involve not using 1200

[tender raft]

exactly

you can design everything in ur game to not rely on 1200/min BELTS, but at the end of the day if you want to extract all the ore, youre cooked

and like i said, I'm not redesigning nearly my entire world for that, and I don't even want to redesign a few factories that have random belts pumping a consistent 1200 (that arent ore)

so im waiting for a potential full fix although I doubt there will ever be one since realistically it doesn't affect many players

technically I can install like a 2000/min conveyer mod to fix the issue but... eh. I like being vanilla

[thick vine]

i guess my plan for a flat grid will be impossible then

[tender raft]

well idk what u mean by that but

this issue only presents itself with a LOTTTT of production

and also is literally the smallest percentage ever

[thick vine]

i want my current production to always be exactly equal to my max production

never a single mw less

[willow agate]

this satisfactory tool site, can u just copy the visualization ?

[thick vine]

wdym?

[tender raft]

i mean u may have issues but the tick is global so ALL miners will slow down a tiny bit

so you should be fine? as long as none of your factories rely on 1200/min for anything but ore

[sacred summit]

I would definitely use them more if it didn't almsot feel punishing to do so

[willow agate]

Idk how it fully works, but I've added Sillica and Quartz Crystals, and Id need at least 120 raw quartz a minute which I'm getting, but it says 103.8min go one way and 16.667 raw quartz go into the constructors for quartz crystals, id obviously have to put in a splitter right? but wont that just do 60/60 split?

[tender raft]

splitters will always split to whatever ratio you need as long as your consumption rate equals your input rate

it just may take a tiny bit longer for all the machines to spin up

[willow agate]

ah so as long as I setup the constructor and put "44.4445%"

[swift kernel]

Why does it feel punishing to use?

[willow agate]

16.667 it says on here should go on that belt

[tender raft]

yes, as long as your constructors are consuming in total the amount of input ore

it will eventually split properly into both machine lines

[thick vine]

if the machines want 1200/min and the miner does 1199/min then i would still get power dips occasionally

[tender raft]

yeah i see, well thats a bit of a silly idea but it does sound fun ig

[willow agate]

ok ty also I had to work out how much 120 is, Is they anyway you can just edit the raw quartz output only and it will evenly balance it out or nah u jus have to keep changing the outpouts of all items till it matches ur miners?

[tender raft]

but yeah that would ruin your plans of that if you scale up crazy big enough

[tender raft]

if you have too much input theres no issue thats arguably better

but if youre trying to consume too much then some of your machines will starve

so therefore the splitter wont work as well as you want it, since it'll keep trying to do 50/50 instead of balancing out

[willow agate]

I'll post my issue what I mean in water pipe issue which I sshould close and re-make one what im tryna explain

second

[tender raft]

make a new issue for this

[willow agate]

ait will do

[sacred summit]

The lack of complex logic, lack of filter options, lack of complex pathing, and effort it even takes to path them, and the honestly steep wattage costs for how many truck stations feels like you need to really have a fleet of vehicles... they just feel like a signifcantly more gimped and time-consuming conveyor. And, I wouldn't be surprised if, once you get to a certian tier of conveyor, if they're arguably a reduction on throughput.

[swift kernel]

I guess I just find belting from one factory to another to feel wrong. Like... it just feels like cheese

[sacred summit]

I still use them, don't get me wrong. But I use them sparingly because it feels that way

yeah, I don't belt between facilities at all.

[swift kernel]

I never thought about truck stops costing that much wattage, but I suppose they do add up.

[sacred summit]

That just feels so hokey, IMO (belting between conveyors)

[tribal mica]

Mmmm! Nothing like waking up and everything's dead because I forgot to add a dump for the compacted coal on my rocket fuel plant🙄

[sacred summit]

Just streaming delicate industrial equipment throughout every type of rugged enviornment feels... wrong 🤣

[atomic notch]

Once my factory platforms overtake the quickwire platform ill convert the train to trucks

[willow agate]

Ok I made a post in satisfactory tools site help if anybody could help me

I've already learned a lot actually from this game

not used to these kind of games xd

[sacred summit]

It's one of the things I like about Captain of Industry - vehicles are the backbone of your operations instead of just stringing conveyors 😅

[atomic notch]

I got so much work to do on my world today

[tribal mica]

anyone else miss being able to run over the alpha hogs and watch them rag-doll like they're possesed?

[atomic notch]

Adding like 3 more trains and maybe some drones

[timid rune]

nuclear power enthusiasts, do you overclock your water producers?

or you just like stuff it here comes 500+ water producers

[mossy moon]

yes

i wont call my self a nuclear power enthusiast but i over clock every resource extractor if i can

[timid rune]

granted I might end up with 220 nuclear plants in the end lol

200-220

don't think I can run that many nuclear plants at 250% overclock without pipe issue

IIRC it is not recommended to run mk2 pipes at full due to game engine issue

[prisma thicket]

If you have the space, more machines will always end in less power consumption than overclocked machines, but if you're tight for space somehow, overclocking is the way to go. Though if you're doing it that big you're going to need a TON of space anyhow, so a little more for a few extra extractors/pipes from wells shouldn't cause too much headache.

[timid rune]

if I don't OC water I will need about 1000 so yeah

I will have to mix it up

[prisma thicket]

If you have the power for overclocking on that scale, it's entirely up to you at that point. The pipe funkiness comes into play if you're doing a pipe manifold, but if you just run one pipe to one machine, a full 600/minute should be fine I think. If they need less than that, better to split pipes as evenly as you can.

[timid rune]

oh yeah it is gonna be lots of juice

[prisma thicket]

I mean if you have EXISTING power to do the overclocking, since you'll need to run the extractors for a bit before the nuclear power comes online, to fill the pipes and the buffers in the reactors.

[timid rune]

I am going to slowly bring the nuclears online

[prisma thicket]

Yah, was about to say that's probably the best way to go about it.

[fresh wharf]

I'd prefer it if the truck had better suspension and tire grip and I didn't have to take detours or make a road

[rich epoch]

PS5/Any Console release date?
@ me, otherwise there might be the possibility that I overlook it🤝🏻

[whole zinc]

how fast does a storage box supply materials out?

[timid rune]

as fast the belt feeding out is?

[whole zinc]

oh shit lmao so if i connect the storage to a constructor it will almost definetly always overflow?

[timid rune]

it is going to backup

basically you are either constrainted by how fast the constructor consumes the input or the belt speed

[whole zinc]

aha thanks for the tip

[timid rune]

there's absolutely no problem feeding a machine with a belt faster than the consumption rate of a receipe

mostly benefitical but edge cases do apply 😛

[whole zinc]

ahah icic thank youu

[atomic notch]

I been havin a lot of fun building everyhting in one spot. Slowly paving the biome hahaha

Makin the top floor just for logistics so i can run trains and trucks over everything and bring it down then run belts along the ceiling to where they need to go

[brittle snow]

I LOVE YOU

[coarse geode]

is solid steel ingot a good recipe?

[atomic notch]

its decent

[white dawn]

Solid Steel is quite popular, for sure

[atomic notch]

u get a bit more steel

[white dawn]

"Good" or "bad" is a pretty subjective call, though Solid Steel is one of the few which enjoys a pretty wide community consensus as being on the "good" side

[south sinew]

it's not just about getting more steel for solid steel, it's also that you can use iron ingot alts

[coarse geode]

or would it be worth it bringing in coke?

for the coke steel ingot

[atomic notch]

i got a lil steel factory goin basic iron to solid steel got like 600 steel and an extra 300 iron

[south sinew]

if you can use solid steel take that

[atomic notch]

coke steel is one that is dependent on location

if ur right on top of oil and coal is 500 meters away id go coke

[coarse geode]

i only have coal nearby

[white dawn]

One thing to keep in mind about alt recipes is that they're basically all situationally useful. There's no recipe that's "best" or "worst;" there's just recipes which fit your current build situations and ones which don't

[atomic notch]

so no not worth bringing coke to get less

[white dawn]

Like even if you really like some specific alt recipe, that doesn't mean you're always gonna use it

'cause on the next factory you build, there may be different resources nearby, or there's just some other recipe synergy which makes more sense for that factory

[lime ermine]

Making 120 DMC a minute now!

Time to start on superposition oscillators

[white dawn]

Coke Steel Ingot's mostly useful if you happen to have the excess coke lying around. Like you've set up some oil processing and the coke is otherwise getting sunk -- sure, seems like a great use of it for steel instead

So you may use some Coke Steel over there, and Solid Steel elsewhere

[atomic notch]

or if its funny

[primal void]

Hey guys is there any quick way to delete a blueprint after you used it ? it happened a couple of times that i placed the blueprint on the wrong side then i had to delete manually

[white dawn]

Like many folks, I'm quite fond of the Steel Screw recipe for screws, but I hardly ever used it in my 1.0 playthrough just 'cause the opportunity rarely came up

[atomic notch]

like 10k steel or whatever

[fresh seal]

press r while on delete mode

[white dawn]

So try not to think of the recipes as "good" or "bad" -- all those tier lists for recipes kind of miss the point of why they're there

[atomic notch]

im usually using like every alt

even charcoal

[primal void]

god ty sooo much

[stuck dagger]

I do, because when clock speed is matched 2x water extractors feed 1x NPP and doing so is logistically simple

[robust nymph]

219 refineries later the most annoying part of my 60 Cooling system + 60 Radio unit + 60 Super computer factory is done!

[scenic cradle]

Playing a new save, just notices when ada says "you could be employee of the month", instead of could, she says cooould, like with a long oo instead of the ou, like in Food😂

[marsh inlet]

can i get a random item that is in phase 2 with a production rate

[atomic notch]

?

[marsh inlet]

just name random item in phase 2 and a number

[atomic notch]

stator

what number

[marsh inlet]

rate

[atomic notch]

what rate

[robust nymph]

3000/m

[marsh inlet]

ima crash out

[marsh inlet]

thank you

[atomic notch]

why dude

[marsh inlet]

im bored

[atomic notch]

im so confused

oh

just do max then

[marsh inlet]

what do you mean max

[compact python]

i wish i had ur kind of time xd

[compact python]

max production rate in a world

[marsh inlet]

i only got 2k hours

[torn cairn]

max flow rate of mk1 pipes is 300m^3, meaning you can't even have 3 water extractors on a single pipeline without overproducing?

[compact python]

ONLY lol

[marsh inlet]

fair point

[abstract heron]

What’s u making

Basic factory?

[jovial oracle]

Best item to sink for getting coupons?

[coarse geode]

whats a good amount of beams, encased beams and pipes to make mid game?

[robust nymph]

60 Cooling system + 60 Radio unit + 60 Super computer

[compact python]

the warp drive

[robust nymph]

Everything, though ballistic warp drives have the highest amount of points/item

[robust nymph]

What do you consider mid game? Do you plan to use part pf the items this produces for later items, or is it all for storage/DD/personal use?

[jovial oracle]

Just do a rough calculation on how much you think you need and then make more.

Just remember: Always make more than you think you need.

[coarse geode]

some for storage some for later use

[jovial oracle]

!wikisearch coupons

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=coupons

[robust nymph]

Then make thousands of each, you’ll use them eventually. Maybe less steel beams, you don’t need those as much

[coarse geode]

thousands?

[jovial oracle]

I got like an excess of 1200 versatile framework, I think I'll sink those.

[coarse geode]

i was thinking of like 200-400

[robust nymph]

That’s why I recommend just producing for personal use, and making the stuff for future factories you’re better off making when you get there. Because you can’t know how much you’re gonna need, and you don’t have the things you need to make them efficiently right now (higher tier belts, miner)

[robust nymph]

That’ll get you a little over a million I think

[nocturne kettle]

I FOUND SAM

[robust nymph]

Congrats?

[floral rivet]

okay, wait... sam? did you finally find Sam?

Ive missed Sam for so long... how did you find Sam?

[nocturne kettle]

🙏

[coarse geode]

yeah ok thats really stupid, i want to make a big factory for for all the standard parts later anyway

[atomic notch]

got 2 more trains setup and now i have nitrogen comin into the main factory

[abstract heron]

I might after slugs do dd starter factory

Just to make it more clean

[jovial oracle]

Yeah, I already got a lot.

I want to clear a confusion.

Suppose I have 3 truck stations: One station at a coal node, one at a raw quartz node and one at my base.
If I want my tractors to deposit both coal and quartz at my base station, will the tractors get jammed up or will they crash into each other?

Or will they understand that there is a tractor in front of them or in front of the unloading station and traverse according to those conditions?

[fresh wharf]

No idea because theres like 3 people in the entire world that use tractors and stuff

[quick oak]

afaik tractor AI accounts for obstacles, including other tractors and trucks

[jovial oracle]

Alright.

[cyan garnet]

Direct feeding 600/min water into a 250% OC NPP works fine. It’s when you try to manifold 600/min that you can run into trouble

Woah, scrollback

My standard NPP footprint is two water extractors fully overclocked merging into one mk2 pipe going directly into a fully OC NPP. works fine.

[atomic cobalt]

hello guys, how can you copy and paste recipes from a distance?

[marsh inlet]

if you have a hover pack you can copy and paste from a longer distance

[clever pier]

does anyone think steel screws is not good? it vastly simplifies HMF

thats one of the few thats like always useful

[atomic cobalt]

thank you

[marsh inlet]

np

[clever pier]

plus the pure variants for using up excess water

[marsh inlet]

or just use mods

[white dawn]

I didn't use it in any of my 1.0 HMF factories (then, I also only had one HMF factory which needed screws)

But yeah, Steel Screws is another of the rare recipes which enjoys broad community consensus as "good"

[blissful violet]

If i make a singleplayer world, i can later make it multiplayer or do i have to make a new world?

[cyan garnet]

All recipes are beautiful

[clever pier]

I like the ones to eliminate silica from aluminium production as well, even if it needs more machines to produce the same amount of al ingots

[prisma thicket]

Man I love the physics of this game, build a big and obviously HEAVY machine, then delete the floor under it and it just sits there not moving 😛 makes tinkering underneath to hook up power so much easier.

[clever pier]

anti gravity

I mean ficist has faster than light travel, so anti gravity makes sense

[marsh inlet]

in settings there should be a setting to make it a multiplayer world you just need to restart your save

[robust nymph]

but, also bad because of the widespread dislike of any recipe including screws

[blissful violet]

so i lose everything

[marsh inlet]

no

[white dawn]

Heh, there's that too, I suppose. :D

[robust nymph]

restart as in quit then load

[clever pier]

the only people who dislike screw recipes are the people that try and make all the screws in one place rather than creating them in place where needed

[marsh inlet]

by restart i mean leave and join back

[blissful violet]

oh ok

convenient

[robust nymph]

no, almost everyone that builds large scale factories dislikes them because needing 15 belts of screws for a single production step is not great

[clever pier]

thats the problem that steel screws solves

it can do 900 a minute when overclocked

[robust nymph]

and?

[clever pier]

from a single machine

[robust nymph]

that does not solve the problem of having to move a lot more items than most other recipes

[merry kettle]

Screws are very annoying to transport, and fine if constructed locally. People who like to build large factories for each individual part dislike them, people who build intermediate parts within a factory don't care too much

[clever pier]

it does because you just belt them directly into the machine that needs them

and produce them immediately before

[elder apex]

so you just start the game with mk6 belts then?

[clever pier]

I've built dozens of large factories and never had an issue

[clever pier]

by the time you need that many you have mk6 belts

its only an issue if you want to produce way more items than is needed to progress to the next phase

[robust nymph]

I, and I think many people, far prefer producing a certain item in a cluster (within a facotry) to then feed to the cluster of machines that needs that item, as it makes troubleshooting a milion times easier

[elder apex]

no, you just said you producing 900 screws/min through one machine, that sounds like a problem at any phase of the game other than phase 5

[robust nymph]

"almost everyone"

[clever pier]

what are you doing in phase 3 or 4 that needs more than a mk4belt?

[robust nymph]

you don't but okay

[clever pier]

480 a minute is plenty enough for phase 3 and 4

[robust nymph]

my turbo motor factory would need 6000 screws for rotors alone if I decided to go with a rotor recipe that takes screws

[elder apex]

i don't do anything in phase 3 that needs more than a mk4 belt because I ignore screws completely once I get out of phase 1. 🙂

[robust nymph]

and I obviously don't have access to mk6 belts yet

[clever pier]

how many turbo motors a minute?

[robust nymph]

60

I produce almost everything at 60/minute

[clever pier]

right but thats your choice to build that many before unlocking mk6 belts. the game never makes you do that

can get to phase six with a factory making 10 a minute

[true mulch]

that's not an issue if you make screws directly in front of the machine that uses them

don't always just build factories the one and same way lol

[clever pier]

I just think its sensible to unlock everything before building your megafactories

[true mulch]

screws are only a problem if you approach them like other items that come in lesser volumes

[robust nymph]

60 turbo motors is not a mega factory XD

[clever pier]

but its more than is needed to progress

[true mulch]

a megafactory is specifically a factory that makes everything in one place, not "a large factory"

[clever pier]

ok sorry point taken

I never build those

[true mulch]

GOOD. 😄

distributed independent factories are da wae

[clever pier]

what do you call an end game factory where you set an arbitary goal thats way more than needed for game completion? like 50 pasta a minute?

[robust nymph]

did I say it is?

[elder apex]

I call it "playtime"

[prisma thicket]

I call it overkill 😛

[robust nymph]

I'm just saying, most of the time, especially in larger factories, it is more advantageous to not use screws

[robust nymph]

a big factory

[prisma thicket]

I don't even make large factories and I avoid screws whenever I can lol

[merry kettle]

It is only advantageous to not use screws if you're lugging them from somewhere else. Otherwise it makes little to no difference.

[clever pier]

i guess just different playstyles... I only produce whats needed for the next phase because I want to finish all the unlocks as quickly as possible

[robust nymph]

you have not been reading

[clever pier]

so I never have issues with screws

[merry kettle]

I have been reading. Your complaints are specific to your way of doing things.

[robust nymph]

and looking at what other people do, I think the majority of people's way of doing things

[elder apex]

I dislike screws probably as much as you do, but I don't think that the majority of people feel the same way.

[robust nymph]

yeah, not saying using screws is "wrong" just stating that it is often not the preferred way of doing things

But in the end, it's your game, you paid for it, and you should play it how YOU want to play it

[clever pier]

building larger than needed factories before you have at least mk5 belts and the mk2 blueprint designer feels like handicapping yourself

[merry kettle]

My typical factory is entirely self-contained using as few inputs as possible, so I can tile them easily. Sometimes screws are the easiest and cheapest way of doing things, other times not.

[robust nymph]

I do have those though

[merry kettle]

I rarely use steel screws, either, because that's another input I'd need.

[clever pier]

I'm struggling to think how your turbo motor factory would have belt issues with screws when you can feed them at 780 per minute directly into machines but never mind

[merry kettle]

Because he builds parts independently so he'd need to lug the screws in multiple belts to the factory

[clever pier]

i assumed you were only on slower belts

[clever pier]

thats just bad factory design

[merry kettle]

It's just different

[clever pier]

build where you need it is the way the game is intended to be played by the designers

[merry kettle]

Everybody plays the way they want to play

[clever pier]

you can tell partly by the fact screws punishes you if you don't do it that way

[clever pier]

if you play a game contrary to the way its designed then complain thats differnt

[merry kettle]

I disagree with his complaints, but I also disagree with your assertion that it's the wrong way to play. The correct way to play is the way that you get some enjoyment out of.

[clever pier]

well ok fair

[elder apex]

that is a quite arrogant statement to make, considering that the game is a sandbox and there are multiple ways to solve the issues

also, i'm not complaining about screws, I just avoid them.

[clever pier]

I do maintain that screws are deliberately designed to encourage "build where you need it" factories

[merry kettle]

And the game provides alternates that let you avoid screws entirely, so they cater to everybody to at least some extent

[robust nymph]

It won't because I won't have to use screws

It wouldn't necesarily be an issue, BUT it would just be much more of a pain in the ass to move 6000 screws in a neat way rather than, say 1440 wire

[clever pier]

so of course if you fight that you have issues

[merry kettle]

Except those of us who want to sloop our ionized fuel.

[robust nymph]

there isn't an intended way but okay mate XD

[green fiber]

Use dark ion fuel instead

[clever pier]

you under estimate the way a game designer works

[robust nymph]

it's a sandbox

[robust nymph]

I love dark ion rotors

[clever pier]

even sandbox games have methods that work with the mechanics and methods that fight the mechanics

[green fiber]

Everything comes with intent.
But the tools you are given allow you to do things differently

[robust nymph]

I build it where I need it. but I build modules WITHIN a factiry, not machines feeding directly into other machines

well, except for scrap

[green fiber]

If there were no alts, it would be very clear

[clever pier]

i do agree play however you want

[robust nymph]

The intended way to play is to use creativity to solve problems how you want, NOT to follow a specific solution to a problem

[clever pier]

but IMO you are making life harder for yourself but thats your choice shrug

[green fiber]

Alts are also just tools to solve problems.
Screws are a designed problem

[robust nymph]

I make my life easier by not making screws

[green fiber]

So everything has game design intent

[merry kettle]

Also I want more recipes with secondary products, because they're fun to break with sloops.

[green fiber]

theres like 2 common ways to "solve" screws

1. cut em out entirely
2. steel screw
   you just picked one option

[clever pier]

Coffee Stain should troll the user base by selling "I love screws" and "I hate screws" t shirts

[reef forge]

encased industrial pipe recipe first hard drive i am blessed

[robust nymph]

ooh nice

now solid steel and you're set

[clever pier]

coke steel is another favorite of mine

[merry kettle]

I generally still use cast screws because I still think of coal as a limited resource, even though there's now more than enough of it. Hard to break old habits

[clever pier]

coke steel also solves that

[merry kettle]

Petroleum also used to be a scarce resource

[clever pier]

and now we have rocket fuel

meaning nuclear power is almost pointless

[merry kettle]

Yeah, nuclear power needs a bit of a boost, I think

[robust nymph]

I prefer nuclear purely for the fact that I don't need to deal with fluids as much

[elder apex]

why? they are both available in phase 4, and both valid options for late game power

[merry kettle]

The 6x6 blueprints make it much less annoying to work with, you can basically deal with everything with three blueprints, granted

[clever pier]

building a nuclear chain including converting to plutinium and sinking takes much longer than just copy pasting fuel gens burning rocket fuel

and you can easily get enough power for end game production just from those fuel gens

[green fiber]

nuclear's main benefit is it uses around 8x less sulfur than rocket / turbo fuel

[clever pier]

I've never found a shortage of sulfur an issue?

[green fiber]

So if sulfur is ever your bottleneck.... i know what you did

[green fiber]

good job not overdoing it then

[elder apex]

once again, sandbox game. you are given multiple options to solve problems, pick whichever one you want. some people really dislike the repetitive placement of fuel gens, some people really dislike the hassle of dealing with NPPs

[merry kettle]

Sloop the turbo fuel and then ionized fuel and you have no sulfur consumption at all. You do need to run some quartz crystals in, though.

Oh, and the rocket fuel.

[green fiber]

sloop everything, sure

[elder apex]

what else is sulfur really used for en masse other than power generation? are people really doing a ton of leached recipes?

[green fiber]

that can be applied to anything

[robust nymph]

for a large plant that's gonna use a lot of sloops

might be better used on some very late and expensive items

[clever pier]

only ammunition

[green fiber]

ive yet to hear of anyone seriously claim "i use leached ingot"
its used for batteries and nuclear.
and explosives i guess.
else, sulfur has no real demand, only in some alts

[merry kettle]

I used leached ingot ...

[green fiber]

congrats 👏

Makes you the first i heard that actually uses it

[robust nymph]

I feel like leached is a lot of extra work for very little reward

[merry kettle]

Pretty much only for copper, to feed the nuclear pasta.

[green fiber]

many go silly with the pure recipes then because "water free"

pure copper is for some reason more copper efficient than leached, but only by a small percentage amount

otherwise, leached caterium is king
leached iron shares the crown with basic iron

[clever pier]

now that we can use other fuels in drones apart from only batteries I don't even bother making batteries

[merry kettle]

Leached is very fast, though. My computer cannot deal with "using all resources on the map"

[robust nymph]

leached copper is 40.9 ore per 100 ingots

Pure is 40 ore per 100 ingots

Seem absolutely not worthwhile, iron is a bit better though

[green fiber]

no computer can. Not a single one

[green fiber]

you save refinery space is all

[clever pier]

i9 with 128GB RAM ?

[green fiber]

None at all

No PC can do it

[clever pier]

has anyone tried?

[green fiber]

yes

You can just about manage to get all miners and sink their ore.
Using them? no

[clever pier]

i assume you also mean mk3 miners overclocked?

[robust nymph]

For iron it's
50 ore / 100 ingots for leached
53.85 ore / 100 ingots for pure

Still does not seem worthwhile in terms of resource efficieny, but as mcgalleon said refinery space yeah

[clever pier]

i guess you could use all the nodes with mk1 miners

[green fiber]

pure iron has a dogshit ratio.
Id not use any refinery recipe for iron to begin with

use basic

limestone is about as free as water

(conditions apply if you go apeshit with concrete production and usage of course)

[robust nymph]

i mean, basic is 50 ore / 100 ingots, it's not that big of a difference with pure

[robust nymph]

cover the entire map

standard iron ingot recipe on top :p

[quick oak]

people sleep on iron alloy imo. it's a super good recipe

and combos nicely with pure copper

[clever pier]

make a warhammer 40k style hive city factory... cover the entire map and shape it as a cone up to the build height limit

[robust nymph]

it's got almost the same iron ore efficiency as pure, it's only 0.52 ore per 100 ingots more efficient

and instead uses 13.33 copper per 100 ingot

[green fiber]

if you got the copper and dont need it, why not use it for that

[robust nymph]

it's not bad (I love it too), but in pure terms of resource effiency pure is better imo

[green fiber]

seems more worth it than finding the next ocean to drain nearby

[robust nymph]

^^

[quick oak]

Pure has terrible ratios to work with. granted, that's entirely only a problem because my playstyle is to avoid decimals like the plague

[green fiber]

If you truly do need it, of course youd go with resource efficiency.

But generally..... you dont really 100% need it, so you can just play with different recipes

Most everyone has some factory plan and that factory likely has other resources nearby.
if they are nearby and you have no real plan or use for them, might as well see if they can make your plan easier

[robust nymph]

I make my supercomputers with the OC recipe for convenience (make them in my cooling system + radio factory), I'm not too concerned with resource efficiency either

[green fiber]

Then you can definitely afford to just go "ok i actually got some excess copper nearby, i could use iron alloy or copper alloy"

heck, sometimes you might have sulfur nearby lol

[robust nymph]

^^

what I was saying was not saying "you should do this because you should be optimally efficient" it was just a convo ABOUT efficieny

trust me, I tend to make poor choices efficiency wise in favor of convenience

[sage wind]

Can I set my walls to be concrete by default?

[merry kettle]

Yep, there's an option above the walls in the build menu

[robust nymph]

yes, next to the selection there is a dropdown

[robust nymph]

#screenshots

[sage wind]

Found it ty

[merry kettle]

Given that I can't possibly use all the resources on the map, I'm tending towards "Maximize resource output per minute" as opposed to "Maximize resource consumption efficiency"; my computer is the limiting factor, not raw resources.

[blissful violet]

The biomass generator from the HUB can only connect to 1 building?? Or am i doing something wrong

[leaden turret]

use power poles

[prisma thicket]

Use a power pole, it will allow you to connect to multiple

[blissful violet]

okay, i need stone for that, i guess i need to upgrade the hub to get to that, sorry for my ignorance, its my first day playing this game

[prisma thicket]

No need to apologize, we all had to start somewhere

[leaden turret]

unless you're omnipresent.

then you start everywhere.

[robust nymph]

hey no need for apologies, we all have to start somewhere

[blissful violet]

❤️

i was hyped to play ts game tbh

[robust nymph]

trust me, my first factories were built by a clown

[blissful violet]

been waiting for months

[prisma thicket]

Very true, though I certainly can't claim to be omni-whatsit 😛

[robust nymph]

it's a great game, been playing on and off from EA release, it has taken easily over 1500 hours from me

[blissful violet]

😵

[robust nymph]

you can claim it, you probably just aren't correct

[prisma thicket]

Taken? You gave those hours willingly lol

[robust nymph]

Taken.

:p

[blissful violet]

fr, Dyson Sphere Program took 200h from me 😭 (another factory game)

[robust nymph]

the good old days of not having lifts and having to move belts with stackable conveyor pole spirals

[robust nymph]

also a great one

[blissful violet]

how tf do i get limestone, i cant find an ore

[prisma thicket]

You can use the scanner to search for ore nodes, default key is V

it will show you the 3 closest ones

[robust nymph]

press for quick scan, hold to select the ore you want to find

if it does not show up you might not have unlocked it yet

[lime ermine]

I've had satisfactory for about 3 months and it's taken 230 hours from me

[gray mesa]

hello

[lime ermine]

Hi

[blissful violet]

oh yeah i was just fast scanning, thanks

[gray mesa]

Hello - is this a place i can ask questions about oil > turbo fuel production questions at all ?

[atomic notch]

Sure

[robust nymph]

can ask here, but in #1038092680493801533 you can include pictures which might make things easier

and it does not get mixed with unrelated messages

but feel free to ask here too

[gray mesa]

that might be a more appropriate place

[sage wind]

Is the copy building settings buggy? I feel like it clears from my clipboard, I press ctrl + c and sometimes it doesn't even copy

[lime ermine]

Works fine for me

[atomic notch]

Idk man i just rebind it to mouse buttons. It works fine for me tho

[prisma thicket]

Sometimes it's finnicky, you need to be able to interact with the building to copy/paste settings

[sage wind]

Works better after rebinding to mouse buttons

[prisma thicket]

If you see the "configure X building" prompt, then you can copy/paste

[robust nymph]

make sure you are facing the machine, copy/paste is not from the menu, but based on where you are looking and if the thing is within range

[gray mesa]

Is there a helpdesk where one can stream their setup over discord, and others look at it and rub their chins and go "hmm" and "mmmh" and "ah, the thing is THAT" and such ?

[robust nymph]

not IN the discord, but I can take a look for you in a private call if you want

[gray mesa]

I dont want to be gay or anything.

[robust nymph]

uh

okay?

tf lol, what's gay about me looking at a setup, but whatever

[gray mesa]

ok I'll - I'll grab a saved game - a "static shot" thing

and send to you?

[robust nymph]

I mean I think I'll go back to making blueprints and let you figure this out yourself

[gray mesa]

ok

thank you

[lime ermine]

@gray mesa make a post with some screenshots in #1038092680493801533

[blissful violet]

Level 1 and 2 look simple enough to not automatize it bc the amount of resources isnt that high, at what point should i start building actual factories?

[primal void]

guys can you pls tell me whats is productive packer game ? i mean whats the point of playing this game

[robust nymph]

when you have the resources to do so tbh, but I generally go mostly manual untill I have at least a little bit of coal power

as before then you'll need to farm bimass for power

[blissful violet]

what level is that

[robust nymph]

what do you mean with "productive packer game"

as for the point of this game, you build cool factories

[prisma thicket]

That's up to you, if you feel you can get by just manually feeding machines then you don't need to automate anything. I generally prefer to automate everything once I have enough stockpiled concrete and iron plates to make a decent sized foundation platform

[robust nymph]

oh the hub game

just fun

[robust nymph]

tier 3 :)

[sullen gull]

To take a break from the building. Ficsit Approved 'Fun'

[primal void]

yeah

ty

[blissful violet]

i guess the best thing to do before building the space elevator is to complete tier 1 and 2

[robust nymph]

that's up to you, there really isn't a fixed path or a "best" way to do things in this game

[wheat reef]

What is used to make rocket fuel? cant find it

OH i didn't yet unlock it wth

[robust nymph]

damn, how dare I interact with my blueprint designer, ofc that would crash my game

[wheat reef]

wha, why?

[sullen gull]

Heh, I think he was being facetious...

[robust nymph]

dunno, opened my blueprint designer to save my blueprint and I crashed 🤷‍♂️

not much lost, I autosave every 5 minutes

[wheat reef]

facetious
what is this word
I've been learning english for almost 10 years and I see it for the very first time

satisfactory opens unknown parts of my brain

[sullen gull]

In this context, I would say it was this part of the definition: Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant. **

[wheat reef]

Is ionized fuel bad?

[robust nymph]

I wouldn't call it inappropriate 🤷‍♂️

[robust nymph]

great for your jetpack

and it kinda ends there

[sullen gull]

Yeah, agreed, but it was the only part of the definition that fit 🤣

[robust nymph]

hahahahaha

[wheat reef]

so basically treating something bad with humor when it better be taken seriousely

[robust nymph]

yuh

[wheat reef]

thanks

[sullen gull]

More or less I would say.

[wheat reef]

how do I even say that? fa-si-shes?

[sullen gull]

I can't use anything other than Liquid bio any more. The control and the longevity beat out all the others for me.

[trim vine]

fah-see-shush

[sullen gull]

fə-sē′shəs

😏

[wheat reef]

oh no, transcriptions

[trim vine]

@prisma thicket

how you do them mini lifts?

[wheat reef]

I am tired of them at uni

[sullen gull]

Stack mergers/splitters

[trim vine]

ahhhhhh

[sullen gull]

Or anything you can use in the 'area' to get the other side of the lift to snap too.

[trim vine]

Ez money

[prisma thicket]

Gotta put down something for the lift to cling to, then you can delete it after you get the mini-lift.

[robust nymph]

ionized has longer flight time (tapping) but yeah control is better on bio by a lot

[sullen gull]

I think it mostly only works in 1m increments. Though I may be wrong.

[robust nymph]

and ionized has much better vertical potential

[sullen gull]

Does it? I know RF and Ionized were great for instant boost, But I thought LB was still the longest lasting one. Still though, It's hard as hell to land a precarious position when you tap and fly up 20m in an instant lol

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch jetpack

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[robust nymph]

Bio has a longer burn time but because ionized has much higher speed it can keep you at the same height for longer (don't need to burn as often)

[sullen gull]

ooohh, 60s

[robust nymph]

or well, same height, same height on average with a major sway in both directions

[past torrent]

started a cheat world where im gonna build some stuff, can i unlock all the hub upgrades without having to wait several hours?

[sullen gull]

Nice. Will mess around with it. I love coasting across large valleys 😏

[robust nymph]

a couple pulse nobelisk with a normal one to set them off at the same time combined with ion fuel jetpack can get you to anywhere on the map, from anywhere, in one go

[sullen gull]

You can A: skip onboarding, B: use a save editor, C: enable AGS (Advanced Game settings)

[past torrent]

i did A and C

enabled all the settings i could find but hub is still not unlocked

[robust nymph]

granted it does hurt a little, but if you don't go overkill with the pulse nobelisks you'll be fine

[sullen gull]

I use my hypertube cannons for that 😏

[robust nymph]

yeah but I prefer to not leave cannons in random places where I was exploring

[robust nymph]

did you select to skip the tutorial when you made your world

[past torrent]

of course

[sullen gull]

Ahh, only a few times. Usually I am working near a 'main' area and have one setup. But I do have a BP loaded with Bio gens and LB incase I need/want a quick trip back. Then just dismantle when I am back near it.

[robust nymph]

fair, that works too

[wheat reef]

What does blue light on machines mean?

[robust nymph]

overclocked and active

[wheat reef]

so it's just green but overclocked?

[robust nymph]

yes

[wheat reef]

thx

can i use the pressurizeк oil to make fuel or it's very unreliable

[prisma thicket]

What do you mean by pressurized oil?

[wheat reef]

oil from the pressurizer extractor

does it work like geothermal power? gives a push and then slows down

[sacred sinew]

question about satisfactory 1.1, and the vertical splitters/mergers- is there any way to get the vertical splitters/mergers to attach to a conveyor floor hole?

[prisma thicket]

Oh, that's just like using an oil extractor, just manage your pipe flow rates and it shouldn't cause you any issues.

[robust nymph]

constant flow :)