satisfactory

[frozen ingot]

😄 😆

[distant hill]

Finished another play through 🤔 In that place where I'm not sure what to do next again I guess.

[outer sparrow]

fully?

[distant hill]

Yeah, just casually watched warp drives and such being made for no purpose now 😛

[outer sparrow]

I never advanced to nucleer

keep getting to oil then give up

[distant hill]

I've done nuke in the past, didn't on this build, did 286 rocket fuel gens

[outer sparrow]

destrroy all flora

or make the entire map radioactive

or choose 1 item and make thousands of it per minute

:)

[jovial oracle]

Can the chainsaw take down full size trees?

[outer sparrow]

yes

[jovial oracle]

Okay, that's nice. What's a quicker way to clear forests/vegetation? Explosives?

[distant hill]

Once you reach a point where you manufacture bombs... I kind of quit using chainsaws. I just blow up every tree in my way

[leaden ether]

Nuke Nobelisk

[jovial oracle]

Lovely.

Nothing like saving Earth with nuclear... propaganda

[distant hill]

I have the "side factory", makes fuel for my vehicles/jetpack, makes ammo and bombs, filters

[outer sparrow]

so a tool parts factory

[jovial oracle]

Yeah, I will do the same thing soon. Build an armament/explosives/fuel factory for other stuff.

[leaden ether]

Heh I made a nice little ammo bombs filters factory too 😄 Everything you need to survive and tame the wild 🙂

[outer sparrow]

nice

I just buy bombs and ammos /:

[jovial oracle]

Good side about this game is that there are no aggressive enemies.

So I can build in peace :3

[outer sparrow]

tell that to me dying to a big nucleer kitty

[jovial oracle]

Kitty?

You mean the arachnids?

[outer sparrow]

yea

arachnaphobia mode turns them

[jovial oracle]

Thank God that I do not have arachnophobia.

[outer sparrow]

I dont either but my friends arachnophobia is too severe

[leaden ether]

Those alpha stingers could give a person arachnophobia...

[outer sparrow]

he once said "them becoming cats isnt enough. I know what they really are and wat they actually look like"

[thick vine]

opinions on portals? i havent seen anyone talk about them. when i first saw them i thought they'd be a game changer. now: silence

do all people who use portals simply die because they're too dangerous and spaghettify you and thats why noone talks about them?

[jovial oracle]

That's the worst part, lol.

[outer sparrow]

Im not that far in the game but even if I was I aint feedin singularities to save a couple minutes

[leaden ether]

The portals seem like an after end game type item. I plan on putting some in but onily after redoing every factory and powerplany in the world. Like when I finally make a "base" for real.

[elder apex]

the problem with portals is how late they come in the game, by the time you get access to them you already have hypertube networks or cannons setup to get you everywhere

[leaden ether]

Since only like 1.5% of people complete the "tutorial" I don't think anyone ever really gets tot the point where they can use them.

[thick vine]

whats the "tutorial"?

[thick vine]

the one thing that annoys me the most is that they're one way, one link

if any portal could travel to any portal they might be viable

[outer sparrow]

even if they can they wont. everyone gets a proper transportation infrastructure anyways so...

[leaden ether]

Basically finishing the space elevator 😄 (I mean phase 5 completed)

[outer sparrow]

THEY ARE ONE WAY???

[elder apex]

they are not one way, they are just single destination

[thick vine]

yep! there are two portal bulidings, main and satellite. one main can only link up to one satellite i htink

[outer sparrow]

why is it so nerfed wth?

[thick vine]

yea not one way but like, one connection. i used the wrong words

[thick vine]

that is not the tutorial 😭

ill have like 2k hours before finishing phase 5

[elder apex]

basically you just have a hub of main portals at a single location and satellite portals around the world

[outer sparrow]

the biggest problem I see is having to keep feed it

[leaden ether]

People sometimes refer to it that way. The ones with 5000 hours into it.

[outer sparrow]

so it forces us to put the portals where the resources are so we can feed them

[thick vine]

Enables pioneer teleportation between two linked Portals.
Each Portal can only have a single link.
A link can only be made between a Main and Satellite Portal

[thick vine]

you could put all the main portals at the singularity cell factory. the satellite ones dont need singularity cells

[outer sparrow]

if we plan to put them far we have to bring the items there and... boom you already have trains and tubes going there

[leaden ether]

And really it's not till you do complete phase 5 that you know anything about what you REALLY needed to do all along as far as capacities and efficiencies and having the alt recipies to do things "right" etc...

[thick vine]

still it feels kinda like. idk. its so late game, so expensive. id expect something more luxurious.

[outer sparrow]

it would fit nice in the alien technology tree in M.A.M

[leaden ether]

So it really is a 300-400 hour tutorial in the end...

[thick vine]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=RINZEJDk9UcAcryIgW27
ive had this plan since before i reached oil 😭

[elder apex]

you can always install the mod that gives you portals in phase 1 and requires 1 iron rod to fuel instead of 1 singularity cell

[outer sparrow]

what is thiiis

[thick vine]

still havent erally gotten much past oil because im procrastinating on the 3000 refineries i need but shhhh

[leaden ether]

Ah yeah, nice electronics factory. I made one around start of phase 4 I think

[thick vine]

wdym nice electronics factory?

[tawny urchin]

I’m transporting a ton of nitrogen gas via train to the grassy fields, but I do not need most of it quite yet. If the train clogs with too much packaged nitrogen gas, will the whole train stop working or will it just stop unloading and loading the nitrogen gas?

[thick vine]

it uses all of the uranium, all of the oil, 91% of the SAM , 84% of hte bauxite and more

[outer sparrow]

I keep screwin around why cant I just make the supercomputer factory ):

[distant hill]

Has anyone ever seen, or made, a... I'm not sure what I'd call it, a "map" of project parts... I tried to build in such a way that I could just keep "building out" from one project part to the next and not have a 'oh I need smart plates over THERE past 10 machines I'm doing something else with' moment I've had in previous plays 🤔

[thick vine]

i just looked at how much of the project parts ill need in the game and stockpiled the amount, then tore down the factories

[distant hill]

There's also the issue with, I believe, magnetic field gens... those suckers just sit there for a whole tier because they are used in the tier after...

I forget they are even there and usually end up building everything around them then going "oh yeah... those things..."

[outer sparrow]

the magnet rods?

sticks that my doggos keep bringing

[leaden ether]

Heh yeah map out all the parts needed to finish the space elevator project in say one hour of factory run time. Then spend 400 hours building the factory, let it run for one hour. Game over! 🙂

[thick vine]

orr dont automate the parts 😈

join the dark side luke quieterone

[outer sparrow]

manual labor?

[thick vine]

automate all the other things. then manufacturers with boxes

or a temporary sloppy automation to tear down later

[leaden ether]

I kind of did that with phase 5. I built mini factories for each phase 5 part then hand carried the 6 pre phase 5 parts needed to run them to completion. I'm going back and fixing that now. I had the "Getitdone-itis" at that point. Much more relaxed about it now.

[thick vine]

i mean, there isnt really a need to automate them after making the final delivery. granted, there isnt a need to play the game but in my head it makes sense to automate the things needed to bulid and not the other thing. + power because big number == cool

you could say the same about ficsit points BUT id be tempted to go all in and maximizing those points sounds exhausting

[outer sparrow]

ficsit points?

[thick vine]

like uhh
awesome sink points

[outer sparrow]

aaah

[leaden ether]

Yeah I'm still working my way through getting all the trohies still...

[golden warren]

Oh if there's framework foundations do the conveyor lifts go unlimited?
Becuase my issue right now is I'd have tobuild it down the cliff like this

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etc

I have to join them up and it creates this crap looking S pattern down the cliff

[prisma thicket]

If you use conveyor lift floor holes, you can make your lift as long as you need without having to add additional lifts, just connect from the bottom of the top floor hole to the top of the bottom floor hole. They need to be perfectly lined up though.

[honest gust]

Is there a calculator that allows you to use more than one alt recipe at a time? E.g. I'm trying to make Stitched Iron Plates but I'm limited by copper for wire. I want to dump my leftover iron into iron wire to squeeze some more out. It's possible to just calculate the first recipe and then do the second with the leftover iron but there must be a better way

[prisma thicket]

Which calculator are you using? Satisfactory tools has given me great results since I started using it, and you can select any and all alt recipes you have access to, and it will optimize the buildings to save you the most resources. Just be sure to go into the machines tab and turn off the ones you don't have access to, so it doesn't try and tell you to use a Converter recipe or something when you're not in phase 5

[honest gust]

I've been using factoriolab but I don't love it tbh. I'll check that one out, thanks

[tired wigeon]

Question: Does Satisfactory Supports DLSS-4?

[thick vine]

does anyone know how many points power shards are worth approximately? or is the ionized fuel value calculated off of the dark ion fuel alt?

[tired wigeon]

you cant sink power shards unfortionatly

[thick vine]

i know. thats why im asking.

[tired wigeon]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink

here are all points listed

thats all i know about ;/

[thick vine]

i want to know if anyone has done the math on how much they are worth in the sink. you can sink APMs and packaged ionized fuel so im assuming it might be possible to calculate how many points a power shard is worth

however APMs have an irrationally low point number, and im not sure if ionized fuel uses the points from power shards or from dark ion fuel

[proper hound]

greeny calc will do that if you set the input resources by hand and lock it to two recipes, but it will try to optimize for minimal resources anyway.

[prisma thicket]

Maybe APM's have a low sink point value because they are based off the power shard value, which could be 0 since you can't sink them.

[thick vine]

one alien power matrix takes 3 super position oscillators

one of them is 37292 points. thats 74584 points just in super position oscillators, plus other stuff, plus a multiplier

but sinking it gives 210 points

one sam fluctuator gives 1968 points. you need 5 of them to make one APM

[prisma thicket]

I have no idea then lol was just a guess

Maybe they just set the value low because you're supposed to be consuming them in a power augmenter

[thick vine]

yes. thats what im saying.

if i did the math right one power shard should maybe equal 2154 points?

calculating it the other way around might be smarter, from ingredients up

going up from ingredients it would be 12160 points

[boreal musk]

excitee photonic matter has no sunk value so it wont be accurate

but from all the 3 ingredients, it should be around 15k points per shard

[rapid wren]

do you fine folks generally do total rebuilds of the starting factoryh several times, or do you build only once and expand that as you get new miking speeds and belts?

[thick vine]

i build a tiny disgusting halfassed starting factory to rush to mk6 belts and then start my "real" factories

handfeeding a single manufacturer with sloops to get to phase 5

[rapid wren]

did you really just say ''rush mk 6 belts''

[prisma thicket]

I build a half-decent starter factory to provide what I need for building, then leave it at that until I get bored and decide to do a much larger version with better miners/belts and have it make more stuff

[thick vine]

yea

I haven't even automated heavy modular frames yet

but I do have automated time crystals and power shards

[rapid wren]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-14026649281713077235

that's insane 😄

having mk6 belts without automating basic parts

[thick vine]

yea it is. I just can't stand the thought of building something that'll be "obsolete", even if I know it's irrational

[rapid wren]

and you're not trying to be fast? or is this actually a speedrun strat

[thick vine]

no, this is pure insanity. the first thing I want to do is use up all the oil on the map, then I'll start with things like modular frames.

[rapid wren]

makes sense

[thick vine]

don't worry, it sounds cool and impressive but I won't ever be able to make it happen because I procrastinate too much

[rapid wren]

i play slow, i feel like satisfactory highliughts any level of ADHD, you have 100 things to do but can't do 1 of them because there are 100 things to do.

never finished the game even with 400 hours 😄 each new tier is insane.
i think i will manage to finish this time though, considdering it is 1.0

[thick vine]

yea, very relatable

you need to do things to do things to do things to do things...

[rapid wren]

and the 1 out of the 100 things are never really finished, just ''good enough'' 😄

as long as the factory looks nice and clean, im good with taking it slow though

[polar leaf]

Almost 700 hours here and never even touched fused modular frame production

at least not in singleplayer

If I had to guess I'm in my 6th run now, which I started in 1.0 and have about 120ish hours in

[rapid wren]

i think i got to that tier, but tried drones, big misstake

[polar leaf]

Why? I heard drones are pretty good. Now you can use multiple fuels in them, can't you?

[rapid wren]

i find it crazy you can't turn off the ''pickup from destination'' feature.

[rapid wren]

i tried to make a sorting system to fix the issue with the drones picking up from the ports they entered, i did not want 2 ports for every connection

[polar leaf]

What frustrated me the most tbh was the fact I kept thinking '' I can do better '' and restarting every time I reached / finished oil production, because I want to feel accomplished by making things look pretty

[dusky relic]

#design-and-architecture message

I am very proud of this

[oblique cape]

I just had a thought. Satisfactory, in VR.

[polar leaf]

Although It looks cool, Satisfactory Tools would've saved you some time lol

[polar leaf]

I'm pretty sure there is a mod being made for that

[oblique cape]

Oooo

[dusky relic]

#design-and-architecture message
It did

[polar leaf]

or it has already launched, but I've seen some footage of Satisfactory VR

[oblique cape]

It was just a thought I had when I got home. Never considered it before

[polar leaf]

Check the DM I sent you

There are a lots of video online of it, going back to more than 6 months ago

[spare cargo]

Why don't you just dismantle everything? I did it like 4 times in a week to rebuild each of my production

[zenith pecan]

I'm always demolishing and rebuilding, I'm sorta in that phase now since phase 5 has been delivered.

[swift kernel]

I've set up a thorough recycling center and I can't tell you how nice it is to come back from exploring, pull the slugs I found from the dimensional depot, and just throw them in a bin in my main hub, letting a truck come by and take it away to be somerslooped into maximum power shards. Same thing with alien remains.

It took forever to set up my central storage factory, and I still need to work on it some more so I can actually advance past phase 2, but having the small stuff automated feels so nice.

I love getting rid of the busy work

Let the machines sort everything for me.

[prisma thicket]

A while ago someone shared a link to a fluid buffer for a train station that uses the headlift of the buffer itself to load fluids into both ports of the freight platform, but I can't find the link or the image for the life of me. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? If so would greatly appreciate a re-direct back to that, or just some insight on how to build one myself.

[dense violet]

you really want a pump on those to keep directionality in any case?

there's these
#design-and-architecture message
#design-and-architecture message

and buffers have variable headlift based on how full they are... highly recommend not to rely on headlift from them

[prisma thicket]

That's EXACTLY what I was looking for, thank you!

[dense violet]

ok these do not, at all, rely on the buffers for headlift xD

just to clear it up 🙂

[prisma thicket]

Maybe I'm confusing it with something else then lol but that's what I was looking for, thank you very much.

[dense violet]

possibly some water tower thing.

[rapid wren]

there is really no way to nudge up and down in 1.0?

[dense violet]

build the bp on a foundation at the right height

[pearl swallow]

alguem br pra jogar? 😢

@dense violet im trying to found someone to plays with me

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758
you'll need to post in english

[pearl swallow]

its because im brazillian, and my english is not that good...

im trying to find other brazillians too

[dense violet]

that's fair 🙂 though it is tough to find multiplayer stuff in general

[junior laurel]

Damn I just Google translated this to try be more inclusive and I can't assume everyone speaks English...

Olá, este é um servidor somente em inglês (por motivos de moderação), mas você deve postar algo em #1201555265942724758

I tried.

Well Google tried I have no idea if that is in anyway correct.

[pearl swallow]

its extremely formal lol

[junior laurel]

Perfect!

[pearl swallow]

i rlly cant try find someone that speaks portuguese here? 😢

[polar leaf]

fala reizão, vou mandar mensagem na DM

[pearl swallow]

aeeeeeeee

[polar leaf]

tem Br em todo lugar pae

[pearl swallow]

i found

[dense violet]

you can, just make the post title in enclish and portuguese I guess?

[junior laurel]

Victory

[pearl swallow]

ai sim pae

[pearl swallow]

ye lol

[junior laurel]

I guess you don't need to make a post 🙃 you found one

[stone nebula]

Why he ourple

[swift kernel]

Y not

We're all adults here. We can be purple if we want to be

[junior laurel]

Because this is the full thing. Sphere purple and glowly

[sullen gull]

Purple people eaters?

[swift kernel]

Only if you got one eye and one horn

[sullen gull]

But, also, ... Are we though?

[swift kernel]

You know what, even if we aren't, the kids can be purple too if they want. They've earned it.

[sullen gull]

does his best Napolean Dynomite "Yes"

[steel sluice]

Why is even casual sexism allowed in #satisfactory-memes

[stone python]

??

[steel sluice]

#satisfactory-memes message

[stone python]

it's just a joke, dont take it so hard

[steel sluice]

I get that it's greeny but imo that makes it worse

[stone python]

if youre that offended by it, then scroll past it. No reason to ruin everyone elses fun

[steel sluice]

There will be people who see that and agree with it, which is less fun ?

I guess I'm salty because I've donated to SFTools before and I love the website

[forest bridge]

Are there enough hard drives in the world to unlock all alternate recipes

[stone python]

yes

[sullen gull]

yep

[forest bridge]

Sweet

[polar leaf]

that meme is unironically fun 💀

that post was fact checked by greeny ☑️

[dense violet]

there's basically nothing you can do in the game that locks you out of any option.

apart from destroying scenery I suppose

[swift kernel]

Yeah, it's really immature.

[junior laurel]

Try the meme above that one. :)

[swift kernel]

What happens if you scan a hard drive and you already have all recipes unlocked?

[stone python]

should make a meme where there is a before and after witht he before being barely done, and the after is a fully fleshed out phase 5 build and the difference is having the ada comentary on vs off

[forest bridge]

how do I open the recipes tab in my inventory

[junior laurel]

Nothing... you just have extra drives sitting there as door stops. At least that is what I use them for

[swift kernel]

Fair enough. I'm sure they'll be great for decoration at that point. Put em on a shelf in 1.1

[sullen gull]

If you're looking for a specific recipe, you can search with N or O.

[forest bridge]

Ah, it's the O hotkey

I'm watching a yt vid and he has that overlay up, never seen it before until now

Thanks

[sullen gull]

That one also allows you to replay Ada's Messages if one so chooses.

[forest bridge]

So if I see an alternate recipe here, that means I have it right

I lowkey forgot which ones I have unlocked, being 70 hours into the world

[sullen gull]

Otherwise you'll see a question mark

[forest bridge]

Ok cool

[sullen gull]

That'll happen.

[sullen gull]

I use them as memorials to the other fallen pioneers.

[dusky relic]

#design-and-architecture message

I did it 😭

[sullen gull]

Did what though? Can't read it

Looks like a layout for HMF?

Does anyone ever remove the conveyor poles after the belts are laid in effort to combat UObject limit?

[pastel harness]

That sounds a bit excessive unless you're running a potato or maxing out every node on the map haha

They're stationary and decorative, you don't interact with them after building conveyors, surely they don't have a huge impact right?

[sullen gull]

They do count towards the object limit. At least according to Snutt and I can't remember the other guy stated during a stream.

[pastel harness]

Yeah but it's probably a pretty large limit

[sullen gull]

I don't think I am near, but I do get a lot crashes stating I tried to make an item but have hit the limit.

[stone python]

the object limit wont be reached by the vast majority of people

i guess tinker might be one of them LOL

[sullen gull]

2 million Plus items. But some items have multiple objects.

[dusky relic]

Correct

[sullen gull]

I don't genuenly think I have, still just relegating the crashes to a 1.1 bug honestly.

[pastel harness]

Yeah yeah
You can increase the limit manually afaik 👀

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[stone python]

looks like the uobject limit is 2162688 objects. and as commamuno mentioned, you can increase it. though it isnt supported by CSS

[sullen gull]

Not that shows much iirc, but gives an idea.

[sullen gull]

Correct.

I wish there was a way to bring up the current number in the console or something ...

[pastel harness]

Commamuno? 😂

[stone python]

ayyy a fellow antimatter player

[pastel harness]

That's so good

[pastel harness]

Just like the factory, the antimatter must GROW

[terse bone]

seems like a save desync error has lost my save game. all I have in there is some old save from mid 2024. FML

also lost my MP game. Noooooo

[cold glen]

Dont want spoiler just curious if you get a reward or anything for finishing the space elevator?

[sullen gull]

OK, dumb question, but when playing single player, what 'server' is restarting? Nevermind.

[white dawn]

All of the multiplayer infrastructure is still active behind-the-scenes, even when in singleplayer

So you do connect internally to a "server," though the actual networking bits might be replaced with direct calls and such

Which is why historically if you were playing online but then you start up the game while offline (internet outage or whatever) you can end up spawning as a new pawn, and have to go find+kill your old one to get your inventory back

[sullen gull]

I don't believe that is true, hence the ability to specifically set single player or a network type. Google search is saying it's just a session restart. memory cleanup as it were, every 12 hours.

[white dawn]

(And then do so again once you start the game while logged in prooperly)

Nah, there's definitely multiplayer stuff still technically happening in the background, a la the pawn-swapping

1.0 did introduce a more throrough "singleplayer" flag while creating a game which might strip even more away, of course

But AFAIK there's still the same core in there

(Or, of course, maybe I'm wrong. :D)

[polar leaf]

I do remember something related with Minecraft

they had to code two different games, singleplayer and multiplayer. That was very resource consuming, so they just made it all multiplayer and when you play singleplayer it's actually a locally hosted server. If I'm not mistaken that's why it lags even in singleplayer when exploding a lot of TNT

[white dawn]

Yeah

The different-pawn thing used to confuse people all the time

Don't see it reported nearly as often now; I assume that "singleplayer" flag they added in 1.0 must have improved that somewhat

[polar leaf]

yeah it doesnt happen with me in 1.0 anymore even If I'm offline

[cyan garnet]

The game has a definitive ending when you complete the last space elevator delivery

[sullen gull]

I get it every night around midnight. I saw the setting in there for it. Just got use to stopping what I was doing around the last 10 seconds.

[wanton stag]

What i should I use for lighting in my buildings? I like the idea of the ceiling lights but they give off really hard light rays that don't make sense even with lumen on, I know i may be stupid but I shouldn't SEE where the light is and isnt going

[waxen jewel]

anyone looking to game?

open to starting a new world or hopping into an existing and helping!

[gloomy path]

hey

[dense violet]

use a light control panel to change brightness and colour

[pallid hearth]

Is there a way to make the small barriers be flush with ramps?

[dense violet]

unless there's ramp ones in teh awesome shop? mods. Been a while sincE I looked

[pallid hearth]

alr

[latent prawn]

not without mods. best you can do is stack them up and down. if you need something that looks a bit more polished, i'd recommend using the ramp walls or nudged up ramp foundations (if you can hide some of it). also, pillars oriented with angled beams can work

if we ever get a 1.2 release, i think some TLC for ramps would be probably top-of-list of things to include

[pallid hearth]

i hope so

Thanks!

[sterile blade]

Note: unlike smarts, programmables can also load-balance the output~
@grizzled lotus

[prisma thicket]

I did not know that

[sterile blade]

There is a small tiny section in their Wiki's page talking about it 😆
Very obscure knowledge with relatively little use

But the more people know, the more uses we may see... So I like to point it out when possible ^^

[lime turret]

satifactory is a lier

It says I've been playing for 28 hours...

When I totally haven't...

[sterile blade]

Satisfactory counts how much time you spend on one savefile, not just how long you have kept the game open. The latter is done by Epic/Steam

[latent prawn]

it is really the only proper use-case for the prog splitter, yeah

[sterile blade]

BTW, dunno if you heard, but they confirmed that "feature" is pretty much a... "happy coincidence", totally not (yet) intended 😅

[latent prawn]

yeah, haha, i can believe it. the prog splitter has always kind of seemed like an afterthought

[sterile blade]

They are looking into it now, though!
It might be an official feature soon™️

[latent prawn]

it isn't all that useful in general. every save i always end up using a couple of them, but besides directing my auto-sorted slugs into a box, there aren't a whole lotta uses

[sterile blade]

When making my storage I ended up encountering and being limite by the 60-something filters limit that they have

(I wanted to list all items in one splitter, pretty much, to split them in 3 streams for 3 different "wings" of the storage)

[latent prawn]

i wouldn't mind if they added some rate-shaping capability to them to make them more useful, but it isn't really needed. if they do decide on something like that, i think that restoring their supercomputer cost would be good for balance

[fiery gust]

Hallo guys, I haven't played in awhile and I was alr at oil production, just so I know what to look forward to, what comes after oil in terms of materials?

[latent prawn]

tbh, on a more meta level of game design, i think they'd need to add a problem that the proggies actually are intended to solve

[latent prawn]

aluminum in all of its resplendent glory

[fiery gust]

So...more pipes-

[latent prawn]

lots more

aluminum is all about managing waste water byproduct

[fiery gust]

Just gonna preemptively ask, am based in blue crater on my last save...how far do I have to build a trainline for the Bauxite-

[latent prawn]

but you also get nuclear power in phase 4 as well as some interesting other goodies

[latent prawn]

there's something like 2400/min available up the hill in titan forest. the rest of the world's bauxite is either in the pink forest or the swamp

[fiery gust]

Oh so fairly close then, if Pink Forest is the one am thinkin of then it shouldn't be too bad lol Thanks alot

[dense violet]

you're probably better off finding a bauxite spot where you can process it on location. Takes up a bit of space.

[latent prawn]

i don't think you're thinking of the right pink forest. i mean the highest altitude place on the map

setting up the transportation infrastructure to get up there is always a headache

[frozen cloud]

ramps and belts?

[dense violet]

there's also bauxite not in the pink forest, to the east of it

[latent prawn]

yep, 2400/min in titan forest and 3000/min in the swamp

[lavish lance]

belt evelvators dont have a height limit if connected to floor holes

[fiery gust]

Oh aight then

[latent prawn]

none of it is very simple to get to unless you do something out-of-the-box like run belts down from the pink forest to the gold coast

[fiery gust]

Just out of curiosity how much space-

[sterile blade]

I've always had some fascination in that regard too, but it's hard to add that without making load-balancing mechanics and puzzles useless (other than early game)...
The best approach I thought of (interested to hear your opinion, if you haven't heard about it already) was something with features like:

• Add filters per output as normal
• Add a "central logic area" (imagine a wider UI with outputs pushed to the left/right/upper sides) where you can drop splitters/mergers (Edit) and connect them to affect the output logic

The ideal result would:

• Give a way to make balancers much more compact (just copy-paste the settings instead of building an entire contraption)
• Still require knowledge of belt logic in order to design a solution (one should know how to add things to the "logic area" in order to achieve the result they're aiming for)
• Not too OP and overshadowing traditional balancing: depending on limitations on the "logic area" it could open up for new puzzles and if one pursues visuals they would almost surely prefer seeing the items flow along a "fully fleshed out" balancer ^^

[latent prawn]

i haven't thought too deeply about it. it would be nice if something were added to make them less of an afterthought, but i really don't have an inkling of what you'd be able to supplement their function with in order to do so

for a while i thought maybe adding a priority merger capability to them and allow you to configure each port as input or output would be kind of cool, but that's about all i can think of

[dense violet]

depends how much you process - but it's several steps to make ingots from ore.

and more bauxite on the map is near it's resources than not.

[dense violet]

I highly rcommend getting the Pure Alum Ingot recipe though - cut out silica from the process

[latent prawn]

the only other idea i can think of is to allow you to 'snap' multiple proggies together to create 5 or 7-way splitters, idk

maybe allow it to go up to 13 outputs - that's the largest prime in the game's math system

but whatever you'd add or change, it would have to be something that simplifies building for some situation that you don't have a more straightforward solution to with earlier game tech

[sterile blade]

Not too dissimilar from what I though, but I was thinking of doing that all "internally", inside one Splitter's UI (with appropriate limits)

[latent prawn]

i gotta say that just being able to flip an output to be an input so that you could have a 2 input, 2 output splitter would be actually very useful

[frozen cloud]

eh manifolds work fine

[latent prawn]

if you've ever played DSP, that's the way their splitters work and it is honestly pretty sweet of a feature

...gives you a 2:2 balancer for free

that all may be a bit too much of a change to the game's building system to be feasible. input and output ports on buildables seems pretty hard-coded into the game's build system

[frozen cloud]

hm actually yeah thats kinda interesting
i wonder why they didnt make it that way

[nova igloo]

ficsit mug broke, kinda wish they weren't like £20 inc shipping

[dense violet]

from the looks of the stuff on the merch site they don't look like they are good quality honestly :\

[fresh warren]

Mine broke some time ago as well, though it was my fault. I let it fall

[dense violet]

I'd get a number of things if they didn't look like they were the most cheaply made items you could manage while at the same time very expensive to buy

[junior laurel]

The huge doggo plushie is pretty good.
But not like I have an animal that would decapitate it for QA 👀

[dense violet]

is it? that's one of the things I'd like bug just looks so cheap.

maybe if it was literally 1/3 the price

but for ... I think 150usd? you expect something well made and not tacky looking

[reef basin]

I got the big plush doggo and it's been fine (though I guess plushies can fall without breaking 😄 )

and the paleberry/waste/slug addons were adopted as toys by cats

[fresh warren]

The cup wasn't bad but cracks would appear on it eventually, they had no effect othet than visual and when the thing eventually fell it broke into pieces along the crack lines

[dense violet]

I mean I'm sure it's a plush, and didn't just explode on touching. But... it's ugly. The shaping of it is almost non existent, it doesn't look like they put much thought into the pattern.

You could probably commision something from Etsy for that price and get something much nicer out of it

[hidden sparrow]

Ok im sorry since when is there official satisfactory golf balls being sold ?

[dense violet]

awhile now.

[reef basin]

the shaping depends on how you stuff it 🤔

[dense violet]

and the pattern. Where you have panels. Material looks pretty cheap. Like it's not a 2$ shop item, but for 150$ usd it's obscene

[reef basin]

🤷 I'm happy with mine

[fresh warren]

Merch is always a little overpriced, be it game merch, band merch or anything I feel like, being fairly priced isn't the point there, you're paying for the brand

[reef basin]

and probably some fees towards CSS for using their trademark

[fresh warren]

Also shipping god damnit, shipping cost me almost twice as much as the cup itself

[dense violet]

oh sure you expect a bit of over pricing, ignoring shipping even. This is just shockingly overpriced.

[junior laurel]

I got the big doggo and the smol doggo that sides on the back of the big one giving off "don't talk to me or my son ever again"
I'm happy with them

[leaden turret]

I haven't had any issue with the satis merch aside from:

• poor definition of text on the caterium mug
• the boombox being traaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaash

[dense violet]

what was trash about it?

[leaden turret]

let me pull up the twitter thread

[dense violet]

must have really been trash, no longer in their store

[leaden turret]

first run had QC problems, no apparent intent to make a second edition to fix the QC problems 🤷‍♂️

[dense violet]

found a reddit thread on it. jfc, for 360$ cad, and it's face was mostly sticker?

[leaden turret]

• electric hum when plugged into UK mains (sign of poor eletricals)
• hum changes depending on rotation of boombox (sign of very poor eletricals)
• cracked / sharp edges on panels
• inconsistent finish on panels
• can't open the battery panel without a tool

[dense violet]

shocking for hte price point

[leaden turret]

(I'm not the only one on this server to have experienced the battery panel issues)

tl:dr;

• t-shirts good
• plushes good
• electricals baaaaad

I have the giant bean stuffed with a 42" beach ball

[dense violet]

I mean, unless all the stitches in a plush are coming apart you can't really have a non functional plush. To me though it just looks real low in quality for the price.

even adding the Niche market merch price add on

[leaden turret]

well the first-party lizard doggos sold through for fans by fans compared to the third-party licensed lizard doggos, you'd much rather own a third-party lizzard doggo 😅

[dense violet]

oh? I don't think I ever saw those

[leaden turret]

https://x.com/SatisfactoryAF/status/1487061506223132672?lang=ar

[warm ridge]

Am I the only one who thinks train stations take up an excessive amount of space?

[dense violet]

yup, was just looking it up and that's what I found. I hope it was super cheap

[dense violet]

and yes, they are obnoxiously huge.
I'll be getting a mod to change that up when I start playing again

[leaden turret]

tbh, I would've rather had a self-assembly kit with higher-quality panels and electricals

^for the boombox

[dense violet]

yeah from the sounds of it

[low helm]

The vinyl set has one small issue if we are talking merch.

The vinyl is inside a sleeve made from regular paper so it desperately wants to fold when trying to put it back inside the cover

[dense violet]

not even stiff paper board? 😦

[low helm]

But a lot of vinyl has that issue to be honest

[leaden turret]

I haven't unboxed mine yet, waiting to do the laundry so the t-shirts in that order can get washed with the regular load

[reef basin]

FFBF was even worse

at least lizarddoggo.com shipped to the correct continent

[dense violet]

this one. Basically half the size while using the same models https://ficsit.app/mod/ModularStations

[low helm]

My track & trace for the vinyl started in Ireland so I'm hoping I won't get any import costs even though it obviously came from across the pond

(The vinyl set has been pressed in Canada)

[leaden turret]

I had no pay-on-reciept costs for mine

[warm ridge]

I'll keep it in mind, although I'm currently using the experimental version and it says it's not compatible.

[dense violet]

oh yeah, no mods will be really

[reef basin]

for context:
back when FFBF was a thing, I ordered two t-shirts. After a month of nothing, I decided to check the website, where it said "successfully shipped to [US address]" (I'm based in EU and the address was completely different, no chance of mix up)

I contacted support, they were like "but the order has shippped", after a lot of talking, they said "ok, sorry, we'll refund you". A few days after, I got refunded the money without the shipping costs.

I contacted support again and they were like "but it shipped, so you have to pay the shipping cost"... etc etc, had to write like 8 angry emails to get my money back

so a random US guy has got two free T-shirts 🙃

[leaden turret]

while saying that the electricals were bad, I still think a ficsit alarm clock would be a fun idea.

• #satisfactory message
• #satisfactory message
• #satisfactory message

[low helm]

It should have one of the HUB cameras that follows you around lol

[leaden turret]

nuuuuu, would increase the cost too much

battery life on something that just has to drive a speaker vs. drive a speaker and constant motion tracking w/ computer vis 😬

[low helm]

Nah just a PIR sensor thats way too sensitive lol

[dense violet]

you'd want it to be pluggable

[leaden turret]

PIR isn't going to give x/y/depth

[low helm]

Anyway, time to check the sound quality of the vinyl

[leaden turret]

mine is just for decoration, I'm getting rid of my record player as part of the moving-house-decluttering

[low helm]

The cover and inside art is certainly decoration worthy

[lament vault]

were my water extractors cursed by demons? They just suddenly stopped extracting water and if I reconnect the pipelines they will work fine for a moment and then stop again

[leaden turret]

yeah they featured that on this week's dev stream, looking forward to unboxing and seeing it in person

[leaden turret]

did you forget to address headlift?

[lament vault]

wdym? I have them for a coal generator and it worked fine for hours and now they just stopped working

[leaden turret]

water extractors will stop working when:

• there isn't enough headlift for the water to leave the pipe network
• the rate of consumption is lower than the rate of pooting
• unplugged

if the pipes are full, they will go to idle, which is fine, assuming the water is reaching the coalgen in the first place

[lament vault]

they reach ok since they powered the generators normally for some time. they are connected to power, it's just that they stopped extracting water suddenly and now I can't get them to work

[leaden turret]

is the pipe full?

[lament vault]

some pipes aren't even full

and I tried doing full pipe network flush and it didn't work

[sacred summit]

Is there a way - early game, if that matters - to split off of a miner without being subjected to an initial belt bottleneck?

What I mean is, I have a pure coal mine, mk2 mine on it, for 240/min. I was hoping to thriw a power shard in it (to up it to 360/min) and split into (3) 120/min lines. But the splitter requires you to connect to it via a belt, so I'm immediately throttled down to a max 270... is that just a hard limit that there's no way around? Or am I missing an alternative?

[leaden turret]

might be best to open a #1038092680493801533 thread with photos etc. 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

generally you want to fill all pipes to max rather than ampty them

[reef basin]

no, you're limited by the belt

(one of the reasons why purity hardly matters early-mid game)

[low helm]

Okay, update: Quality is amazing

[covert talon]

anyone got a lot of experience with conveyor busses? making one between my main areas with 780*4/min capacity each way but idk the optimal way to use it or build the splitting/merging sections

[reef basin]

(personal opinion) busses are kinda not optimal in Satisfactory

[covert talon]

well i had a road there so i just put in underneath

i dont wanna learn trains yet lol

[lament vault]

ok I got it to work, I flushed all of the pipes, turned the coal generators on standby and let them fill up and it works

[reef basin]

uh, what exactly do you imagine under the word "bus"?

because in most factory games, it means "belts with materials from which you split to nearby machines and merge back products", not "belt(s) going from A to B"

[covert talon]

i mean its 4 mk5 belts in each direction to transport a bunch of items. got bunch of coal, copper, iron etc in the dune desert but all my oil/aluminum stuff is closer to the rocky desert

[reef basin]

yeah that's just stacked belts

[covert talon]

maybe i got the idea wrong

[reef basin]

not a bus

so ignore my "not optimal" message

[covert talon]

alr nice

[zenith pecan]

To me, Public transport 😛

[tribal elk]

i wonder if how feasible it would be to make a factory building ai as a bot

[reef basin]

not at all

[tribal elk]

i bet it could be done

[reef basin]

not reasonably

aka AI would suck

[tribal elk]

maybe for optimizing factories

[reef basin]

yeah AIs suck for that

[covert talon]

chatgpt fails at basic math

[tribal elk]

if you trained a learning machine off of speedrunners, it might produce results

[reef basin]

no

[tribal elk]

then further train it to make factories that avoid ugly designs, for completeness

they can train irl robots to do interestingly complex tasks, so i figure they can train a player bot at a fraction of the logistic complexity

[reef basin]

at best you'd get it to replicate a run, at which point it's just a TAS

[reef basin]

they program them

[tribal elk]

lately they use generative ai to get better results

[reef basin]

partially only

[tribal elk]

turns out oldschool robot programmers are kinda rubbish by comparison

its one of the circumstances where programming a system hard way isnt as helpful as using newfangled ai training stuff

not all systems programming is like that, to be sure

[reef basin]

no, turns out that not everything is solvable with just plain programming, same as not everything is solvable with AI

[tribal elk]

pretty sure player bots fall in that category

"solvable with AI"

[reef basin]

no

(also this is #off-topic-general )

[tribal elk]

well i was originally talking about satisfactory

[reef basin]

no, you were talking about AI

[tribal elk]

less about player bot programming, more about connecting point a to point b conveyor etc

[severe elm]

why can i nudge in all 4 directions when somethings on the ground, but on a wall i can only go side to side not up and down

[leaden turret]

are you on 1.0 or 1.1?

[reef basin]

because you're not on 1.1

[severe elm]

oh :C

unlucky chat

i havent played really since update 5 so idk what i can and cant do yet, guess ill have to wait cause i dont feel like playing experimental

[zenith pecan]

Oh man, I never actually noticed before but with pocket uranium, you can see a slight interference pattern on the icon, cool.

[tribal elk]

no amount of iodine would keep you safe from pocket uranium

[reef basin]

with any radioactive item afaik

[tribal elk]

good ol hand wavey video game logic

[zenith pecan]

Tbh that's pretty cool, it'll highlight what doesn't belong in your bags at a glance 😄

[true mulch]

Added in 1.0
"Alien" items have an effect too

[zenith pecan]

I saw those distortions, I just never noticed the rad-haz static before, that said I rarely have radioactive stuff in my bags.

[tribal elk]

anyway, if trained ai could play satisfactory, it wouldnt be useful for optimizing factories, but it might be useful for exploring ways to make them

[zenith pecan]

I was mining and removing uranium deposits and saw, oh cool! 😄

[true mulch]

A while back, Google demonstrated an AI that could play videogames and Satisfactory was one of them

[tribal elk]

wow really? :O

[true mulch]

I'll try to find it

[leaden turret]

who can play satisfactory better, AI or <@&370483737957236737>

[true mulch]

https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/sima-generalist-ai-agent-for-3d-virtual-environments/

In the demo it can only mine iron or open the HUB terminal

Not shown building any actual factories

I wonder if it'd be able to pass tier 0 even

[tribal elk]

satisfactory is a very "nonstandard" video game to use a general "gaming" ai on

still, theres only so much complexity involved in connecting conveyors and power lines

[leaden turret]

orly? https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=spaghett

[reef basin]

there's complexity for AI to understand it

[tribal elk]

i'm talking about the basic procedure. dealing with spaghetti might at least require the bot to have a hover pack, though

[true mulch]

Would a "standard" video game be a 5v5 hero shooter? Or a friendslop extraction game

[leaden turret]

generically-repackaged sportsball 20xx

[swift kernel]

That's actually a really cool idea

[swift kernel]

Obviously <@&370483737957236737>. Because the AI Limiters would prevent any AI from succeeding at this game

[leaden turret]

have you seen the current and past CMs playing Satis?:P

[swift kernel]

Look, I play pretty similarly, so I can't judge. I spend so much time making my factories feel like real spaces and design then and redesign them, that even though I started my latest factory with the launch of 1.0, I'm still in Phase 2.
So my perspective might not be representative of the community

[late tartan]

Im kinda tempted to create a building that has over 4000 batteries for backup power

[reef basin]

*power storages 😛

and I'd recommend just building more power

[thick vine]

more power doesn't help you when you delete your power factory !

[zenith pecan]

Pro tip, don't delete your power station 😛

I built power stores just for the hell of it, a lot of them, they aren't needed at all.

[thick vine]

never done that, but what I did do is accidentally disconnect the grid that my awesome sinks are on from power, resulting in my whole oil setup grinding to a halt

[thick vine]

happened yesterday

I was very glad I had power storages to restart it

[zenith pecan]

I did something similar, cut one wire by mistake and the entire nuclear support facility went dark, I didn't know I'd done it until 100 reactors suddenly had 0 fuel rods.

[thick vine]

the only solution to mistakes like that are either connecting everything with many cables, or to simply git gud and not do things like that/fix it fast enough

I like having things separated and I won't ever git gud so power storages it is

[zenith pecan]

I was lucky the backup power station further up the coast took up the slack with its 133Gw,

Black starting that place without another power source would have been a complete pain.

[reef basin]

power storages have the exact same problem though

if you disconnect wrong thing, it won't help

[zenith pecan]

Once a power store is discharged, it is useless, so if you can't diagnose the error before then, enjoy doing a black start!.

I built them for the hell of it, not for practical purpose.

[thick vine]

not really. I keep them charged and disconnected to recharge the grid after I have fixed the issue

*restart

it's like temporarily enabling ags no power consumption to restart the grid just without cheats ags

[gentle ridge]

How do you guys deal with mid-late game expansion. Atm I'm making train stops in pairs, so if I have 5 factories requesting screws my screw factory has to have 5 collection points despite most of them just waiting all the time
Is there a better way to distribute many resources with trains? Ideally I want to build a new factory, connect it to the train network and not change anything else in the network

[thick vine]

make a two rail train system

[reef basin]

if disconnected, sure

but it still gives you only limited amount of time

[thick vine]

yes. I use it after I have fixed the issue. it's just to make the black start less painful. I also have some storages local on every factory to temporarily disconnect then from the grid to isolate and diagnose grid fluctuations

[zenith pecan]

My old save had 7200 stores, isolated, but charged by all the maps geothermals over time.

[reef basin]

why not priority switches tho?

[thick vine]

priority switch doesn't help me when I disconnect my awesome sinks from the power

this isn't about accidentally consuming too much. I don't do that, I have enough power

[thick vine]

neither of those things can be achieved by adding more power.

[zenith pecan]

Back when my old setup was made, prio switches weren't a thing, my current save has a sickening amount of power so backups just aren't needed.

[gentle ridge]

I have dual tracks and a connected train system with intersections if that's what you mean?
The problem I'm having is due to the train schedule system. I can't just say wait until a train station has the resources then go create a route. So I have to create a new station at the source to ensure the train has somewhere to go even if multiple people request at the same time

[round parcel]

i have question: if i have wire 120/min and i need 60 for automated wiring do i take 60 from 120 or do i just find new copper ore and make the wires of it?

[reef basin]

generally I'd recommend the second option

[round parcel]

okay thanks

do i do it in every part or just some parts

[reef basin]

I'd do it everywhere

see e.g. https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[gentle ridge]

There are only so many resource nodes in the game, each one gives you infinite resources but it takes time. So you really want to use as many resources from each node as possible

[reef basin]

but keep in mind that it's only one way to play and there are other ways

[round parcel]

okay thanks

[coarse geode]

how do trucks work?

[swift kernel]

You record a path and they follow it, sometimes with amusing results

[dense violet]

so you're not getting enough throughput? you probably aren't buffering your train stations with ISCs

also - moving screws is a pain. Move steel beams and make steel screws on location

[coarse geode]

i did, doesnt work

[dense violet]

what part doesn't work?

[swift kernel]

Explain

Are you feeding it fuel via a truck stop?

[coarse geode]

theyre either not driving and or not loading

[dense violet]

make a #1038092680493801533 with images of your route and stations

[swift kernel]

Tag me once you make a proper questions and help ticket and I'll take a look

[eternal imp]

What is the point of the marker limit on the map?

[swift kernel]

I love trucks and would always help a fellow truck user

[coarse geode]

well guess im gonna have to run belts across the whole map

[dense violet]

or make the barest effort to fix your trucks?

[coarse geode]

just so they still wont work like trains?

[gentle ridge]

I think I explained it poorly. Maybe I'm just thinking about it with a factorio brain.
Basically in factorio I had many train station loosly distributed. Then I would enable sources based on the amount of items available. With that I can just place a train station down and say grab X item from somewhere. So I never had to worry about transportation breaking, if I ran out of X item I just needed to make another source. It made the game much more managable for me

I'm trying to make something similar here but I can't seem to work out how to do it. The trains just feel too restrictive and I'm just trying to work out if it's a game limitation or if I'm missing something

[dense violet]

make a post and show how you've set up your train station

[gentle ridge]

I haven't setup the stations yet, this is my like 4th playthrough but I never got far past phase 4 because of this issue so I'm trying to work out how to solve this before building a factory that's non functional later

[dense violet]

oohhhh ok. Well honestly make dedicated production lines that feed specific stations

Honestly I think a lot of factorio methods don't seem to translate well to SF

and it sounds like you're tryign to future proof which in this game is generally a massive waste of time and effort

[gentle ridge]

I was really hoping I wouldn't have to do that. This method was amazing in factorio because it meant you never had to rebuild anything. I'm using mods if that changes anything?

[dense violet]

trains and belts in SF don't hav enearly the throughput

its basically all about dedicated production lines

[swift kernel]

People really do be looking for an excuse to hate on trucks at the drop of a hat

[dense violet]

I suspect people like trains more even they they have the same amo0unt of issues because they have set pieces you put together

like lego. But trucks are more organic

[thick vine]

its me I'm people

[gentle ridge]

Ok, I'll try it that way. Thanks for the info

Also as an aside, if you have VR you should try out the VR mod. It's really cool 🙂

[swift kernel]

Seriously, it's the best when you just have a road built and it's just a busy little highway

[thick vine]

it might help to imagine trains as big belts. that's basically what they are

[dense violet]

I do not 🙂

and just as a thing? this is a real sandbox. Treat tiers 1-9 like a sand box. Getting you ready for your own projects

[swift kernel]

So satisfying. Even when sometimes they collide and then start going backwards every once in a while

[dense violet]

I pretty much only use trucks where theres natural paths for them

[swift kernel]

I use Trucks for my satellites and between nearby factories.

[reef basin]

we also have a method to never rebuild anything 🙂 see https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[swift kernel]

By satellites, I mean satellite factories. Usually just miners and minimal on-site processing.

[tribal elk]

trucks are simultaneously underrated and overrated

[thick vine]

trucks are always overrated, they're worse than what anyone says

[tribal elk]

i got a decent amount of mileage (figuratively and literally) using a single tractor across the map, but that's about all i ever want to do with trucks/tractors ever again

[gentle ridge]

This does seem like the way, it's just not quite as flexible as using trains as a logistics network

[tribal elk]

a truck + programmable splitter can get about the same use as a train with 1 car, if you can stomach setting up the route

by the way, i havent even touched drones yet. should i keep it that way?

[reef basin]

well compared to Factorio, we don't have variable production (mines don't run out) and we don't have variable consumption (science and mall - we sink excess, so production runs all time), so many of the things that seem "nice" in Factorio aren't really nice here

[gentle ridge]

I think I just need to accept that. Factorio was my first factory game and after like 500 hours it's hard to break some habits 😛

[dense violet]

well a lot of people sink excess. going up the tiers I just let things back up

[gentle ridge]

As an aside, are there any really good mods you recommend?

[dense violet]

depends what you're looking for - but I highly recommend getting through tiers 1-9 at least once first w/o them

[reef basin]

contrary to popular belief, the games are VERY different

[dense violet]

they share the concept of automation - about it

[gentle ridge]

I'm mostly going for mods that make the early game a bit smoother or just fix random issues. Eg I have tier 2 trains and "better train routes"

[jaunty jewel]

id play the game without mods first, then once youve "beaten" it you could add mods

[hard ivy]

I play both of them essentially the same way 💀

[gentle ridge]

To be clear I have like 100 hours in the game

[jaunty jewel]

hours arent a good measurement of how much of the game youve played

[tribal elk]

amen to that

[jaunty jewel]

you couldve spent 75 hours decorating factories and still be on phase 2

[gentle ridge]

The point is I have played enough to be interested in mods, besides I'm already playing in VR so it's quite a different experiene already

[tribal elk]

i dont totally regret making a central storage system, but i would never try it again i think

embrace the spaghetti

you will either way!

[dense violet]

eh looked up routes. Since processes are static in the game there's reall yno reason for 'dynamic routes'

you also probably want to avoid many trains going to 1 station. It murders throughput

[swift kernel]

I actually have a bunch of QoL mods that I don't believe require a "completed game" to feel earned. They all feel pretty vanilla.

[gentle ridge]

That's exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for

[tribal elk]

is it just me, or does littering a few extra rails around to keep trains flowing in the same directionality better than path signal traffic jams?

[dense violet]

you'd have to show images

[swift kernel]

I'll post screenshots of my mod list, jas

[gentle ridge]

That issue has personally caused be no end of grief every time I use trains

[dense violet]

that processes are static?

[tribal elk]

uh, just imagine the usual use of trains, but without path signals

[dense violet]

I cannot

[tribal elk]

you'd have to make extra rails

[dense violet]

sounds like a bad option from the description but you do you

[tribal elk]

i honestly dont know. for example, i know delivery drivers irl save a ton of gas for avoiding left turns in their routes. i wonder if its a similar concept

[gentle ridge]

But the processes don't take the same amount of time causing the number of permutation on a complex rail network to be effectively infinite. So if you have a lot of trains in a network they won't use bypasses, alternate routes or anything like that

[dense violet]

I mean turns that don't intersect with other rail is more efficient, but you still need signals

[swift kernel]

Here they are #screenshots message
#screenshots message

[gentle ridge]

Tyvm

[dense violet]

they don't need to? in general you don't want more than 1 train going to a station because it'll decrease the throughput at all the platforms

unless you're using a ton of trains that are each moving a very tiny fraction of a belt's capacity you want each train going to it's own point.

2 way rail and there's no need for dynamic paths

[swift kernel]

Np!

[tribal elk]

blocking signals only

[dense violet]

this is a major argument about avoidign mods until you've goen through the game. so you actually know all the mechanics

[swift kernel]

Yes, yes, did you even look at my modlist?

They're all mods that are vanilla friendly

[dense violet]

I'm currently talking a specific mod that they use

[swift kernel]

Which mod?

[devout valley]

so im playing in experimental build what happens if i switch back to normal will i lose the progress

[dense violet]

some sort of dynamic train system when they don't know about this game's train mechanics and general mechanics of factories

[swift kernel]

Yeah, okay that's fair

[gentle ridge]

I can assure you it does cause me issues and this mod resolves them. It will work without it but the trains are less efficient, in some cases dramatically so

[proven fable]

would someone mind checking #satisfactory-experimental , i cant connect power lines

[split island]

Is there a channel for Satisfactory mods?

[dense violet]

it's extremely simple to make absolutely efficient train routes in this game that meets the needs of static consumption.

and it's clear from what you were trying to do before. shrug

in any case gl with it

[swift kernel]

There's a whole discord

[hard ivy]

If they're all set to only depart when empty/full, having more trains will do absolutely nothing at worst

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[gentle ridge]

Also to this point, I'm probably not going to play the game again for a very long time if I beat it because it's very long and there are many games to play. By using this logic I just wouldn't use mods

[dense violet]

I mean it's a sandbox, imo finishing phase 5 is the end of the tutorial

if that's your only goal it doesn't really matter how you get through the tiers

the tiers are basically a very well laid out tutorial on showing all the various mechanics available to players

[gentle ridge]

That's a bad take, that assumes people play the game for the same reasons you do. I play games for progression. I don't go for high scores. Once you complete the game the progression is just chasing higher scores so I don't do it. If you go for score then you can continue

[swift kernel]

I would definitely get used to vanilla trains before implementing mods tho

[zenith pecan]

I'm upto 7200 SAM down in the tunnels now, only another 3000 to collect! 😄

[swift kernel]

Even if you don't use beating the game as the threshold, you should familiarize yourself with the vanilla aspect first

[gentle ridge]

I have tried them for a while and static routing is very much an issue I have had problems with

[swift kernel]

I'm only adamant because when you mod a game, you become responsible for fixing any issues that arise with mods, and it's harder to do that if you don't understand the underlying systems

[hard ivy]

That's just a skill issue tbh

[swift kernel]

If you feel confident you can troubleshoot it, then definitely go for it

[gentle ridge]

It's no problem for me, I'm very experienced with mod troubleshooting after dealing with bethesda's crappy engine XD

[proven fable]

guys why the hell cant i route power lines with power poles, everytime i try to build a power line it just tries to build a new power pole

ah wait nvm, someone answered

oh, he deleted it now

[crystal thicket]

hi, the data is transferred from the experiment server?

[reef basin]

data?

[crystal thicket]

Yes, I have the same save in both the normal and experimental builds

[true mulch]

a save file from version 1.1 can only be loaded in version 1.1

once 1.1 is on the stable branch, you'll be able to load it there

[mortal ginkgo]

Funny part is, Trucks work flawlessly if you are not looking at them in the first place or not closeby. Some people who has "self deadlock" issues are happening because they are not letting them do wide turns in crossroads.

[crystal thicket]

ah ok nice

[true mulch]

yeah far away trucks are just teleported along their route and their position on the map is faked

[mortal ginkgo]

Yup. I do got the feeling most critical stuff are regarding the Trucks is not they are not a direct upgrade to Tractors and despite having so much "off-road" wheel and stuff it has visually, it drives like I drive a car.

[true mulch]

still haven't dealt with cars since they changed their physics in update 8 lol

[mortal ginkgo]

and here I am, has no idea what changed.

I just see that Trucks are way too bouncy

[true mulch]

their driving was way more "cartoony", so they were much easier to maneuver

at least to someone who doesn't really play racing games (me)

[sterile blade]

It would just burnout after being roasted by ADA

[sullen gull]

@hidden sparrow Baby save or just starting out? #screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

ADA wouldn't approve of my multi-kilometre logistics.

[swift kernel]

ADA already has low expectations of you

[hidden sparrow]

#screenshots message pretty late game actually

[sullen gull]

Hah, Love it!

[zenith pecan]

Once the tunnels and their belts are up, they'll run without error, so ADA can also go do one 😛

[sterile blade]

It might be interesting to collect SCIM data from players and see what are the min/max/average between players in terms of (KM of belts)/(production machines) or similarly for pipes

[zenith pecan]

I'd kind of dread to see, my last save had 60km of tunnels alone.

[hidden sparrow]

Oh dw its only getting worse

[clever pier]

tunnels under the map?

[zenith pecan]

Yes.

[reef basin]

would be weird tunnels if they weren't under something 😛

[clever pier]

how do you get under the map now? they fixed a lot of the past methods

[hidden sparrow]

Go in the void

[zenith pecan]

Here's a quick primer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9T_ZlDv68

[sterile blade]

Aside from "brute force" methods, there are still a few "natural" accesses here and there

[zenith pecan]

The usual warnings apply ⚠️ Building under the map is not supported, if shit happens, you're on your own ⚠️

[clever pier]

what you gonna do if they fix that in a future update?

[zenith pecan]

Start a new save 🤷‍♂️

Change my discord name a bit 😛

[clever pier]

I guess there will always be a way

[reef basin]

Taromani Zula｜no longer the Tunnel Rat

[clever pier]

like flying under the void

[sterile blade]

*evicted Tunnel Rat

[sullen gull]

I was going to say, is the method something easily 'fixable'?

[sterile blade]

They can fix some, but even if they made it impossible to reach the underground... save editors could still get around that ^^

[clever pier]

you used to be able to get train tracks to go through the ground, they fixed that one

[zenith pecan]

The old tube ground pierce was fixed as a side effect of the engine change, the updated method sinks a floor hole past the ground boundary, hence the 8x4 foundation, so you naturally emerge below the ground collision, they'd have to make it so tubes and trains hard stop, which might break other stuff.

I tested 1.1 lifts, they can also penetrate the ground, but you get chucked off the lift car when travelling either direction by that boundary.

[clever pier]

they could stop people by making you take constant damage in all under the map areas but I guess they really don't care

[zenith pecan]

Another caveat regarding subsurface construction, again unsupported ⚠️ , there are plenty of obstacles that are a part of the landscape that reach down to like, negative 130 metres down, keep those in mind when creating a layout, clipping past them is a supreme pain.

[mossy moon]

quick question. if this isnt in the game already is it worth the computational power to add a dopler effect to fast moving sound sources like trains and stuff. random thought i had last night

[zenith pecan]

Go down low enough and you do take damage, a lot of damage.

[clever pier]

the improved the spatial audio in 1.1 but not sure if it has this specific effect

but sound changes when you go inside a building now

[mossy moon]

yeah ik abt that but idk if Doppler effect is a thing

[timid rune]

Back to pure copper bs again >_>

[zenith pecan]

I plan to sort pure copper from an impure node, for nothing more than a meme.

[timid rune]

this save is a meme already

13.5k copper ingots from pure copper lol

and I am adding another 6k ingots/min

[zenith pecan]

It wouldn't be the first time I built a pointless setup, here's one of my more egregious ones #satisfactory-experimental message , it's sole job is to package liquid biofuel that it's just unpackaged, and into the same containers.

[clever pier]

yeah the 1.1 audio improvements don't include any doppler effects

[timid rune]

my nuclear setup will need a fair bit of copper powder down the road

[wanton stag]

It's not that the brightness that's the problem, it's that the lights cast really hard God rays and light doesn't behave like light should

[timid rune]

might as well set up pures now

[zenith pecan]

My current project is gather ALL of the SAM ore into one spot, so far I have 7200 of the 10200 routed into the tunnels on their way to the dunes.

[mossy moon]

how intensive would it be computationaly tho to add that, you would need to calculate the relative speed of a sound source and then stretch or shorten the sound acordingly

[timid rune]

yeah I will need all teh SAM for my nuclear setup

50 U + 12.5 Pu + 62.5 Fic rods

[zenith pecan]

Some of the nodes are in caves, tapping them from below was a little bit of a challenge.

[clever pier]

unreal engine includes a doppler effect calculated automatically but looks like its not enabled in satisfactory

[stray patio]

Okay im on a new save and i need some explanation on if im doing my stuff right

[timid rune]

gonna sink Pu rods for a bit while I work out Fics

[clever pier]

go ahead and suggest it on the qa website

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @zenith pecan

[stray patio]

so is it meant to be that at some point all my factorys are scatterd around the world?

[dense violet]

generally.
but going up the tiers is very different from your own projects after the phases

[mossy moon]

oh i didnt know

ig ill put that as a sugestion/upvote existing ones

[stray patio]

#screenshots

and should i automate tractors atp?

[clever pier]

yeah I end up with four or five scattered factories by the time I reach phase 5 parts. in my current save I have one for plastic rubber and fuel gens, one fo computers and super computers, one for fused frames , all connected with trains

[dense violet]

if you want? long belts early on is also perfectly fine

[stray patio]

i mean i wanna do stuff right on the first time yk? i dont wanna fix early game stuff later on tbh haha

[dense violet]

there's no single way to progress up the tiers. Just focus on learning the game.
The tech tiers are a very good tutorial. They scaffold the skills you need to progress

[dense violet]

there is no 'right' way.

there's only 'right for you', and you'll only discover that be experimenting

[stray patio]

I forgot this is a sandbox game mb

[dense violet]

if you never touch trucks or trains or drones the entire time? and that's what you want? that's fine

[clever pier]

don't fix early stuff, just leave it running putting parts into the sink and build a new factory

theres way more resource nodes than you can ever use

[dense violet]

assume you'll think of at least 10 things you think you could have done better or different every time you make a factory and learn from it 🙂

[clever pier]

so no need to teardown old factories

also go exploring for HD.... some of the alt recipes make mid game parts a lot less painful imo

steel screws and plastic coated cables are game changers

[timid rune]

I did end up tearing down some of my old factory later on though

[stray patio]

trueee on my other save i was phase 3 and i didnt know what todo there was a quadruple factory thingy and i was so confused i stopped playing. i didnt even know how to set up trains properly i only had 1 going from point a to b and no circles. i was kinda staying in the spawn are

[dense violet]

but you'll have learned how to set up belts and factories 🙂 every vehicle has it's learning curve 🙂

[clever pier]

you can start off with point to point trains wth one train on a single track going back and forth. then later build a return path and make it a loop

[atomic notch]

Hey man all my trains are a-b its not a bad strat

[stray patio]

i really enjoy this game it kills time so fast but im getting confused fast when theres much stuff to build to produce 1 item haha

[sullen gull]

Heh, I have 776 hours on this save, and still haven't started Phase 4 🤣

[stray patio]

i saw people making a train loop around the whole map

[timid rune]

I am hitting 800 on this save

[stray patio]

im on 64 hrs i think

[dense violet]

this is a very good planner to make the numbers easy for you 🙂 you can save links too

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[timid rune]

my train system is a gigantic mess #screenshots message

[clever pier]

always stick on one way on one track, in theory you could use passing loops. in practise the signalling doesn't work properly with dead ends where the train needs to go backwards. "singal loops on itself" errors. stuff that I can build in transport fever 2 just doesn't work in satisfactory

[dense violet]

personally, imo, you should set up rail as you need it to service your factories, rather than making a world network that you then have to fit your factories to

[stray patio]

oh this looks really good. ill def save this. Thanks 🤟

[dense violet]

but that's another choice

[atomic notch]

People make things hard on themselves

[timid rune]

nah dead end works

I don't send my trains on loops

[dense violet]

it takes a bit of practice, but it's worth it. You'll probably need to turn off SAM ore on your plans as it likes to use the conversion recipes. Or turn off the converter machines

[atomic notch]

Lo🤮ps

[clever pier]

it does not work once you add multiple stations and multiple trains. its impossible to get rid of "signal loops on itself" errors

[atomic notch]

Yeah lose throughput so ur trains can drive around in circles

[stray patio]

whats SAM ore?

[clever pier]

dead end works fine with a single train

[timid rune]

there are about 60-70 train stations on this train network hah

[sullen gull]

There is also https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production and a free program on steam called Satisfactory Modeler. The later one is a more manual approach to plannning though.

[clever pier]

just add more trains

[dense violet]

alien tech stuff. You'll get to it eventually

[stray patio]

oh i know now. the stuff i didnt know how to get for straight up 64 hrs haha

[timid rune]

I haven't seen that problem tbh

as long as the train tracks are properly separated

[sullen gull]

Not sure if it's needed or not, but on my straight shot tracks, I always put a loco motive on either end of the train pointing opposite directions

[clever pier]

yes thats needed

[timid rune]

yep you have to

[clever pier]

they can only drive facing the way a locomotive does unlike when manual driving

I put them on both ends even of my loop trains that only go one way for aesthetics

[stray patio]

btw whats the production amplifier?

[timid rune]

dead end stations works like a charm for me #screenshots message

(also they are tiny stations mk2 mod because laziness hah)

[atomic notch]

Yeah ik. Thats what i love about em

[clever pier]

maybe it got broken in 1.1. I tried something similar to that with widely seperated lines and got "signal loops on itself" errors with the signals at the dead ends

[thick vine]

spoiler: ||it duplicates the output of a machine but doesnt double the input needed.||

[latent prawn]

[sullen gull]

Ahhh, I love me some clean piping in the morning #screenshots message

[mental void]

guys help

turbo fuel is so weird

i put it at a 222.22% multiplier for 50 fuel and 33.333 comp coal

but it puts out 41.66667 turbo fuel

[sullen gull]

Huh, wth.. all my fans on my fuel gen towers turned on their own ... they weren't like that before 😦 #screenshots message

[mental void]

the fuel powered gene take 18.75 at their max

help me with ratios and power shards 😭

[jaunty jewel]

you could merge 15 fuel to 2 gens idk

[reef basin]

it's weird because you clock it to weird numbers 😛

[tulip pecan]

I wish all the necessary clipping bugs were fixed so it was possible to play in no-clipping-allowed-at-all mode

[mental void]

i mean i could prob overclock gens 222.22% and it might work out… i’ll have to check

[sullen gull]

I have personally found it easier to over clock all but one. That last one would just be set to whatever the final numbers needed are.

whether it has a bit of overclock or underclocked.

[naive pendant]

Or all at default clock plus one underclocked.

[mental void]

or all overclocked and i just have extra

[sullen gull]

If you wanted more machines, sure.

[reef basin]

how much TF you have? clock gens accordingly

[mental void]

41.666*18

[covert talon]

someone give me an idea for what theme or anything to base my new factory off

[mental void]

what is it for

[sullen gull]

So, you have 18 fuel gens?

[covert talon]

radio control units, oscillators and supercomputers

[mental void]

no 18 refineries making turbo fuel

[sullen gull]

OK, how many fuel generators are you trying to run off of turbo fuel?

[jaunty jewel]

how much turbofuel do you have, work it out

[mental void]

that’s what i’m tryna figure out

[mental void]

lmao i already said

[jaunty jewel]

divide how much turbofuel you have by how much a gen takes (7.5)

[mental void]

41.6666*18

[jaunty jewel]

no you didnt, you said 41.666 * 18 which isnt a value

[sullen gull]

or 18.75 since they are overclocking.

[mental void]

100 fuel gens

holy %#=%

[jaunty jewel]

see that wasnt hard

[mental void]

or 40 at full overclock

[jaunty jewel]

not bad at all

[sullen gull]

To switch fuel gens to run off of RF vs TF, one just has to flush the pipe network and then trash the residual TF in each gen right?

[jaunty jewel]

your swapping from rocket fuel to turbo fuel?

[sullen gull]

Other way around.

[jaunty jewel]

yeah you should be fine to do that

[sullen gull]

I just recall very early on I had the same issue, switching from one fuel type to the other, and I had a heck of a time trying to hook up the new fuel lines as there was still residual fuel in the lines/gens. Back then I had just said screw it and rebuilt the setup

[jaunty jewel]

ah

[sullen gull]

And now I am at the same boat, so I just wanted to make sure this method was viable as I reeeeealy didn't want to rebuild this one lol

[jaunty jewel]

understandable

[sullen gull]

At least all the input lines say none and have the swirly now, so I should be good..

[jaunty jewel]

btw rf is a gas so you dont need to worry about pumps

[sullen gull]

Nah, any/all pumps were initially on the production end, so removed when I switched over.

Well, except for those I am needing for the TF before it gets to the RF 😏

[gleaming owl]

Anyone here having an easy method to get rid of those flies near nodes? tried placing foundation on them after removing but they seem to respawn

[charred idol]

If you kill them once and then place an active Powerpole near them they can't respawn

[sullen gull]

As I've said before, I love the symmetry of a Rocket Fuel Setup. #screenshots message

[gleaming owl]

Thank you I will try that!

[sullen gull]

Fyi, if you weren't already aware, approaching the hatchers while holding C (or crouch if you have it mapped differently) will prevent them from opening

[gleaming owl]

yee I am aware of than but thanks :) was looking for a way to never spawn again since there are two near an iron node respwaing over and iver which was frustating haha

[sullen gull]

Ahh yeah/no, I feel yeah. Had the same issue until I did what @charred idol suggested.

[gleaming owl]

i need power there anyway haha

[charred idol]

is there an easy way of producing a lot of copper powder?

[lime ermine]

Nope

Just tons of smelters

[charred idol]

uhh sry I meant more of a way/recipe or smtn to lower the copper usage

cuz I'm setting up a spreadsheet for nuclear rn

copper Powder alone is eating 18K Copper

[cyan garnet]

There’s no alt recipe for powder itself

[charred idol]

and as far as I know that's half of everything in the world

[cyan garnet]

But there are alt recipes for copper ingots. Pure (refineries and water)or copper alloy (iron and foundries)

[clever pier]

copper alloy vastly reduces the amount you need

but you're still going to end up with trains hauling copper ore from many parts of the map

[cyan garnet]

I used pure copper ingots in both playthroughs for nuclear pasta

Blueprinting the refinery build makes it not that bad

[charred idol]

I was gonna pool it in the biomes and make powder there for eZ Transport

[sullen gull]

Is it the Pure alt that makes more ingots per resources used? Or is it the copper alloy?

[cyan garnet]

Both do

You’re adding other resources to extend the copper

[charred idol]

I think there is one with water and one with sulfuric acid

[clever pier]

i think its easier to convert into powder directly where the particle accelerators are

because the feed numbers are really high

[charred idol]

and both give a higher copper yield than regular

[lime ermine]

Tier nine is ridiculously easy but requires so much power

[clever pier]

or lots of time

[lime ermine]

I need to double the size of my rocket fuel plant now

[sullen gull]

No no, I get that. I just meant, compared to both of the ingot alts, the pure reciepe was the 'better' one? Though I get that it depends on end goal, personal style/design, etc.

[cyan garnet]

my current save's pasta factory: 720 copper ore and 480 water in to 48 refineries with pure copper ingot recipe -> 1800 ingots -> 300 powder -> 1.5 nuclear pasta (which is then sloop'd 2x to make 3 pasta/min)

so I only needed the copper from a single pure node with mk3 miner to get to 3 pasta/min

[clever pier]

i wonder if anyone has done the math for how much one cube of nuclear pasta would weigh

if it was uncontained

[cyan garnet]

might be on the wiki, idr

A Copper Ingot's in-game size is around 0.128 m3, which given that the density of copper is 9,000 kg/m3[1], means a single ingot weighs ~1,125 kg. Since 1,200 Copper Ingots are required to make a single piece of Nuclear Pasta, the mass of one can be determined to be around 1,350,000 kilograms or 1,350 tons (assuming no waste).

[cyan garnet]

for copper ore usage:
standard recipe: 1 ore to 1 ingot
copper alloy: 1 ore to 2 ingot
leached: 1 ore to 2.4444 ingot
pure: 1 ore to 2.5 ingot
tempered: 1 ore to 2.4 ingot

[clever pier]

two cubes of nuclear pasta would be roughly the same weight as the saturn v rocket fully loaded

[cyan garnet]

so in terms of getting the most mileage out of a single ore of copper, pure is the "best" - but that is discounting all other considerations such as space needed, power consumption, availability of water, etc

[clever pier]

pretty sure at that density it would sink into the center of the earth

[cyan garnet]

yet our pioneers carry them around in their pocket

[sullen gull]

Gotcha. Thanks.

[clever pier]

i assume the containment cube makes it weight much less

[sullen gull]

Technically we have a 'pocket dimension' don't we? 😏

[clever pier]

and anti gravity tech

[cyan garnet]

refineries have the highest power draw (30 MW) compared to foundry (16 MW) and smelter (4 MW) - but hopefully by phase 4/5 that difference in power consumption is not really a factor in your decision

[sullen gull]

Nah, power is never really a factor as I just go giant or go home when it comes to power lol

[cyan garnet]

yeah, same

space is the other consideration, given that refineries are huge

[sullen gull]

By the end I am usually generating 60% more than I need lol

The nice thing though is you can run 76+ gens from a rocket fuel setup on a 20x11 pad 🙂 That's 48000MW

The setup shown here #screenshots message will be running 60 oc'd gens and making 500/min packaged for drone fuel

[lime ermine]

Still not as strong as Minecraft Steve

[sullen gull]

Plus the rest of the space will be producing all of the bauxite on the map lol

[clever pier]

space isn't really an issue since you can just build upwards

[sullen gull]

Anywho, going to have to force myself back to reality and head down to the shop and fix a dremel for a friend. o/

[thick vine]

damn, my game just had a memory leak

went up to about 20 GB before i closed it

[latent prawn]

things that consume power near the spawn points for critters suppress their spawn. i believe placing a storage crate nearby also does so

[latent prawn]

'just'

[swift kernel]

It's actually anything that runs power. You can used power poles connected to your grid to keep enemies from respawning. You always have to kill the enemies at least once though. That includes enemies that spawn only at night

[thick vine]

just as in, right now

[latent prawn]

i think each buildable has an AOE suppression rating when powered (if it connects to power) some have a higher rating than others.

[thick vine]

first time it happened (or maybe first time i noticed it). it was fun seeing hte number get bigger

[latent prawn]

yeah, i was laughing b/c they're slow to accumulate to the point where there's a problem

[thick vine]

no it went up by like 1 GB every 5 seconds

so maybe memory leak is the wrong word

[gleaming owl]

So if I place a miner it might be already enough for preventing?

is there a ~ how many foundations it covers per power source?

[swift kernel]

As long as it's powered. An unpowered miner will do nothing

[swift kernel]

Don't know the exact numbers, try checking out the wiki

[gleaming owl]

good call

[thick vine]

All creatures (fauna) have the ability to respawn. The Pioneer has no control over passive and non-interactable creatures respawning, but can control where and how hostile creatures will respawn as a result of improved logic.[3]

Creatures won't respawn near places which are intended to be a factory space and have for example large Foundation platforms, or functional Buildings like Miners, Manufacturers, Generators, etc.

Creatures will respawn near smaller infrastructure like Pipelines, Power Lines, Conveyor Belts, and Foundation "Roads" between distant factories, etc.

In the new Creature Spawning System[4] each Buildable is given a value, and if the sum total of all the Buildable values in a given location reach a threshold amount then nearby spawners will be disabled. For example, a single Miner is capable of disabling nearby spawners but a single Foundation is not.

The new Creature Spawning System is believed to have kept the same "effect radius"[5] that was updated in Update 6 where spawners are disabled within 150 meters of powered buildings, and within a smaller radius for foundations.
i hope noone gets mad at me for the wall of text

[latent prawn]

it's helpful, much better worded than what i was saying

[swift kernel]

Is this the actually wiki or the fandom wiki?

[thick vine]

thats from the real wiki. i always add wikigg to my searches

[gleaming owl]

oh so when I build a factory those angry flies do f off for ever haha

[swift kernel]

Cause I could have sworn powered powerlines keep creatures from spawning. I actually use it in my game and it seems to work

[gleaming owl]

they the nasties I encountered so far and the huge spiders

[thick vine]

i think they mean that a few powerlines arent enough. they also mention foundation roads not being enough while many foundations are enough

like, just one line going from a to b wont stop creatuse spawning around it

[swift kernel]

I guess I meant power poles

Not the lines themselves

[thick vine]

i also meant powerpoles, oops

they probably mean that the low density of power poles usually used to transport electricity isnt enough to stop creature spawns in that area

[swift kernel]

Then idk. I'm placing down powerpoles to keep creatures from spawning, and it seems to be working. But I obviously don't know... I could have sworn when they did the rework for spawning they specifically mentioned a single powered power pole would work. I don't feel like digging for it though right this second. Maybe in a little bit

[thick vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIZS_qyiLH4&t=269s
heres the link cited in the wiki

"A single Miner is enough to disable nearby spawners but a single Foundation piece will not be enough to stop spawning"

[swift kernel]

Oh, lol they changed it again in update 8? I was thinking of a change back in like update... 4 or something like that

I don't know how I missed that... although I wasn't very active during update 8.

[twilit remnant]

difference between block signal and path signal?

[swift kernel]

Path signal makes decisions, block signal looks to the next path signal

[cyan garnet]

block signals divide your rail into blocks and act as simple stop lights. path signals make a reservation through an intersection. see my most recent post in your q&a thread about this

[latent prawn]

@sterile blade continuing with a new thought from what we were speaking about a few hours ago, something else that could be added to the priority splitter is an overflow priority setting (i.e. push stuff out this port until saturated before pushing out to another overflow designated port)

[latent prawn]

block signals essentially provide exclusive access to a block of track. path signals partition a block defined by block signals into smaller grained sections that allow for more concurrency in traffic

the way path signals work is that they chain the reservation for a piece of track through other path signals until they reach a block signal and only allow a train to pass if all the path signals along that path are simultaneously free

tl;dr. don't use path signals initially on your railway. block signals are sufficient until you have enough traffic that you start seeing trains stacking up at junctions to pass

[cyan garnet]

we're working through it: https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1373692682550902814

bidi signaling

[latent prawn]

well, bidi signalling is its own can of worms

[cyan garnet]

indeed. i think we got it figured out tho

[latent prawn]

the gotcha with that is that it is a little unclear how the stations at the terminus of a bidi rail should be signaled

(you shouldn't)

[cyan garnet]

you can see in the thread - I had to fire up a creative world to figure out how to make it work as I never use bidi trains in my worlds. only the intersection is signaled

[reef basin]

I'm gonna repeat the rule I've posted there:

never put signals on bidirectional part (unless there's only one train that will ever drive on that part of rail)

[leaden ether]

Better yet, break up that long single rail segment with periodic pass rails and then signal each segment.

(Better yet do dual rails but...)

[cyan garnet]

passing/sidings don't work in satisfactory, as it doesn't do dynamic pathing. it always takes the shortest route

[latent prawn]

there's a way to make that work, but it takes a lot of thought

[leaden ether]

It takes the shortest OPEN route, I've used pass segments and they work perfectly.

[cyan garnet]

would have to see what you mean then, now I'm curious

(agreed on always just doing parallel rail to avoid all the headache in any case)

[reef basin]

they work just fine, since signals make it one-way

[leaden ether]

THere is a great railroad signalling save file you can download on the net that shows how they work (and a lot of other cool signalling) It's where I learned how to do them.

[cyan garnet]

Oh I’ve seen that mentioned before. I should check it out. Even now 500 hours later, still learning things

[leaden ether]

Don't think I can post urls but it's on reddit Satisfactory thread and you can search for "Train Bootcamp 4.0"

[reef basin]

you can post some websites

[cyan garnet]

Yeah I think I have worked it out in my head how it would work. Essentially a section of the network becomes two-lane w one-way rails enforced by signals. Makes sense

Imma experiment in my creative world some more I think

[sharp notch]

hey greeny, whats a good starting point if i havent played in a while

[reef basin]

roll a dice

[sharp notch]

the forest it is

[junior laurel]

Thank you die for your contribution

[sharp notch]

RNGsus hath blessed me with a fine starting point

iron, copper, and concrete all in one spot

[reef basin]

that's... all the starting spots

[sharp notch]

yeah but i mean i was dropping in a clearing and all three materials were within like 50 feet of one anotehr

[rustic trail]

Forest start so good

[atomic notch]

Grassland start is my new fav

Run nw to the coast theres a lot of stuff right there

[coarse geode]

holy shit my factory is actually kinda working

[stray patio]

Why is it a spoiler tho if i may ask?

[thick vine]

i mean, not really a spoiler just thought id hide it if somee finds to find out themselves idk

[stray patio]

oh alright

understandable

[peak wasp]

I think it'd be a good quality of life feature if, when you hover over a machine in dismantle mode, it'll show you the recipe and stats of that machine

It'd make troubleshooting a big factory a lot easier

[prisma thicket]

How should I go about arranging 48 refineries all doing pure Iron ingots? Just thinking about the water. Does 8 blocks of 6 seem like a good setup? One water extractor per block, no overclocking needed.

[elder apex]

i tend to color code all my machines when making blueprints to make debugging easier, can't remember if I have a mod for copying the colors when using the middle click picker mode or not

[reef basin]

the % stat is not much reliable, better to look at the indicator light 🙂

[zenith bronze]

is anyone else having crossplay problems? it says I need to relogin into epic, but when I press the button it just spins for like 1/10 of a second and goes back to being orange. Has been like that for the whole week. Maybe I need to reset it somehow? Delete cache or smth?

[atomic notch]

Should work. I didnt check the math for water but water is trivial

[prisma thicket]

20 water per minute per refinery

[peak wasp]

True, but being able to see the recipe without interacting directly with the machine would be super useful

[atomic notch]

Yeah smth lik that

[peak wasp]

Currently building a factory that does basically everything prior to unlocking oil, and I keep having to check "Wait, was that the machine for wire or was it the one over there?"

[stone python]

use signs