satisfactory

[winged bronze]

In addition to this, I am a Mine Engineer in real life who turns Mine Haul trucks into FULL autonomous!! It is literally my job in real life. So to see these units run on their own in this game is such a pleasure

[soft oriole]

All the vehicles are fun in my opinion

[frozen ingot]

yeah the vehicles are great

[solid dawn]

Trucks are nice to me for the short distance bumps of mats that the trains can't seem to fill up in time.

[frozen ingot]

although i do miss the old UE4 handling still, i think!

[soft oriole]

Ah yes when I turn on the game my wife goes: “oh so you work all day and then work in your video game? I don’t get it”

It’s different!!

[solid dawn]

On my experimental, I finally installed the first train station, gotta map out a decent route for mats gathering though.

[winged bronze]

LOL I know the feeling

[abstract heron]

wow i have 275k foundations in my world

[frozen ingot]

it's relaxing! and you can easily undo mistakes 🤣

[soft oriole]

I tell her I’m exercising my creative outlets

She does get that - she likes to make art - and I tell her - art is work

[solid dawn]

You're doing art...with bits and pieces of machinery instead...

[soft oriole]

ONLY? Sounds like you need to 10x it

[peak wasp]

Mr white ur an artist

[abstract heron]

i thought they changed foundations to lightweight

[soft oriole]

Well I do make my factories pretty - at least from the front angle lol

[peak wasp]

I haven't played in a hot minute. Has 1.1 released yet?

[abstract heron]

on EXP yes

[soft oriole]

Not yet it’s in experimental

But it’s been 100% stable for me

[soft oriole]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid dawn]

I seriously want to tear down the sides of my latest factory and make a fancy glass monolith out of it...just trying to figure out the inspiration for the design...

[abstract heron]

i got 9444 RF factory going

and 50.4 nuclear factory rod making working

[soft oriole]

Do it! I usually just pick a theme that I think looks good in the biome and run w it

[soft oriole]

It’s very satisfying to come back to later

As long as you finished it lol

[solid dawn]

Heh, I'm on one of the nice oil islands on the West coast, I'm not sure what would work with that. I was seriously considering a build where I put the factory into one of the waterfall crevices to the side of the oil island area...

[soft oriole]

And if there’s one thing I’ve learned in this game the map is HUGE don’t worry about expanding that factory just build another one!

[keen sky]

My ocd could never

[soft oriole]

One of mine is literally as “ocean oil riggy” as I can make it with those frame pieces

I think it looks pretty good

Tbh I don’t decorate all my factories a lot of them are just levels of foundation but if I get inspired it gets the architecture pieces

[keen sky]

I want to decorate but I lack the creativity. My brain is always overclocked to 250% when playing. Definitely not spaghetti conveyors but a lot of organized chaos

Or maybe that’s how I feel just because I’ve been tackling nuclear for the first time this past week

[prisma thicket]

Ok... I have 20 refineries producing turbofuel, how best to get it to my generators? Do I split it up like 2 refineries to 5 gens, 4-10 or should I try and do one massive pipe system from all 20 to all 50 generators?

[frozen ingot]

how much turbofuel/min are you making

[prisma thicket]

375

375/7.5 per gen = 50 generators

[frozen ingot]

manifold baby

a loop, preferably.

[lusty island]

4 rows of 12 gennies, 2 pipe lines feeding each set of 24. Doing 48, isntead of 50, ensures your pipes stay full, with minimal "loss".

That being said, you'd be better to scan HD's and get the Nitro Rocket Fuel alt recipe. Simpler build, and you'll get far more output. If i recall correctly, a single pure oil well will give you something like 140 gennies. (i could be off, but it's a lot)

[frozen ingot]

one big ring manifold, run it however you want

and you should be able to do 50 gens

[frail sleet]

Big manifold with full pipes doesn't work due to backflow issues. The simplest/best solution that i know of is this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1363346708356141106/image.png?ex=6809a791&is=68085611&hm=b2429a269b53d9dd971d841bbf8c6c73acfbb4c04c4551aecf4a4d2553bc1a48&

Pre-split the pipe with even splits so that it's not near the flow capacity, then manifold those arms individually.

[frozen ingot]

just saturate the pipe manifold with the fuel before turning the gens on one by one, with a little pause between each one to let the pipes all fill up again (pipes run best when full)

[frozen ingot]

it works.

i have a large rocket fuel setup as a manifold, it works

[frail sleet]

Not near the flow capacities of pipes. It's been discussed and tested to death on here, and i've spent 10 or 20 hours testing it myself.

Rocket fuel is a gas, so behavior is different to liquid

[frozen ingot]

i've done it for fuel too

Lokatana isn't anywhere near a pipe limit anyway with 375/min

[lusty island]

i've treated both fuel and rocketfuel the same from a pipe perspective. No difference as long asyou're keeping everything "level".

[frail sleet]

A manifold of 80 turbofuel generators in a row on a 600/600 pipe does not work. Nor does 30 fuel generators.

on a 375/600 pipe, yes you can manifold directly and it's probably fine.

[frozen ingot]

sure it would

[frail sleet]

It does not, i've ran this test specifically.

[frozen ingot]

so have I 😆

[frail sleet]

post proof then

[frozen ingot]

i'll try it in a creative world later

and also by 'doesn't work' i assume you mean 'not at 100%?'?

[frail sleet]

Generators stutter and shut down for lack of fuel flow, yes

[frozen ingot]

and you could use mk1 pipes for 80 gens on turbofuel i think

[frail sleet]

80x7.5 = 600

[frozen ingot]

yup. 300 one way, 300 the other

[frail sleet]

There is no "one way" and "the other". I said, and you argued against the following:

"A manifold of 80 turbofuel generators in a row on a 600/600 pipe does not work."

[frozen ingot]

oh in a /single/ row, sure, i was talking about a loop manifold

my bad

[frail sleet]

A loop manifold is pre-splitting the pipe into 300/600 segments, which is what i'm advocating for. It's more complicated though because of verticality.

[lusty island]

Just did the math. If you have a single pure oil well giving you 600/min oil, using Nitro Rocket Fuel alt recipe, and with Mk.2 pipes, you can fuel close to 144 gens, giving you 35 Gigawatts of power. 3 pure oil wells can get you to end game if you're not doing a megabuild.

[frozen ingot]

generally best to loop manifolds, especially for fuel gens imho

[frail sleet]

I have 600 oil making 180gw of rocket fuel

[frozen ingot]

this is what i'm using atm

[lusty island]

you're using another alt that i'm not using 🙂

[frail sleet]

Ye, i think nitro rocket fuel is more expensive on oil and sulphur? but simpler

it's only a couple of steps

[frozen ingot]

using sloops to squeeze more power out right now to more comfortably get nuclear power going

yeah nitro rocket fuel is nice and simple

[frail sleet]

and more complex but more efficient option is turbo blend fuel into rocket fuel with a loopback into more turbofuel and rocket fuel. A lot more complex tho

[lusty island]

i did nuclear twice... now i just go simple with rocketfuel. Though nuclear is very satisfying when you do the proper waste management.

[frozen ingot]

yeah i thikn i want to sink plutonium rods for the challenge and the points

[sterile blade]

Feed them to drones and other vehicles

[frozen ingot]

nah don't want to radiate stuff 😄

[lusty island]

My last time through nuclear, i built the entire factory without turning anything on (incluign waste processing), as i didn't want any waste buildup. So satisfying to start the feed of rods and see it all "just work"

[frail sleet]

I just advise this variant of splitting as it's modular (you don't just have a 2-way split, it can be 2-way or 3-way or 4-way etcetc) and simpler without the verticality. There are several ways to build a loop wrong which can break it. A junction splitting 600 into 300+300 or 200+200+200 is just one part, and verticality is not neccesary at all

[lusty island]

my biggest problem now is that i have over 800 hours, finished the game 3 times on my own, and about to finish a 4th with a friend... now what?

[frozen ingot]

not sure what you mean

and you need junctions, right, no avoiding that 😄

[sterile blade]

Time for challenges and self-improvement

[lusty island]

Probably waiting for 1.1 to go to the main channel, an then just find someone running a 7x24 server who needs someone with expereince to help.

[frail sleet]

Pre-splitting for fluid manifolds like this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1363346708356141106/image.png?ex=6809a791&is=68085611&hm=b2429a269b53d9dd971d841bbf8c6c73acfbb4c04c4551aecf4a4d2553bc1a48&

A traditional loop is above the main manifold pipe, and has additional complexity because of being made out of multiple parts (the shape/location of the pipes matter) and being on multiple levels of height which affects the fluid flow

A flat junction splitting evenly is just one part, the rest is irrelevant to the flow

[sterile blade]

If they manage to fix Programmable balancing for 1.1, I'll scream

[lusty island]

Only thing I'll suggest on this is to run two rows of gennies off each pipe, isntead of 1.

[frozen ingot]

yeah i don't do that

not for fuel gens at least

[frail sleet]

The particular thing that i'd really want to avoid is that when you build some pipe systems, you can build the same thing in a way that is identical on the outside - but because of the exact way that parts are placed (e.g. some pipes being longer or shorter than others, or having joints in different places) the behavior can be markedly different - enough for one system to work, and another to fail.

By distilling it down to the simplest possible form (just a pre-split junction, no verticality) that is entirely eliminated, i don't think it's possible to build it wrong without it being visibly wrong.

[frozen ingot]

i just do what i do, and it works 😄

and wasn't talking about verticality in this instance btw

[frail sleet]

People say that a lot, but they also come around asking for fluid help a lot. It works til it doesn't. My aim is to design systems which work with the simplest possible designs and the greatest margins

[prisma thicket]

Hey, I just unlocked the power augmenter, how does this thing work? Just plug it in and all power generation on the grid is boosted?

[frail sleet]

yes

you need to belt in some lategame resources to increase the boost from +10% to +30%

[frozen ingot]

people keep saying that but i've got things running at 100% for like hours and hours and hours on end

[sterile blade]

Do note that Fluids are not perfect enough to be always consistent. Something that works once for someone can, in some extreme cases, produce slightly different result when tried some other time or by someone else

[frozen ingot]

i'm 200 hours into my current playthrough

[prisma thicket]

Sweet, I'll have to build it after I bring my 50 gen plant online

[frozen ingot]

greeny's pipe rules work very well

[frail sleet]

which are you talking about?

[sterile blade]

It also makes some free power. It's not much, but still honest work...

Was it like 500 MW...?

[frail sleet]

I think that they are deterministic, but chaotic (a small change in initial conditions can cause widely divergent outcomes)

Key note that you can build the same system in a way that LOOKS identical, but isn't, because pipes are split in different ways. For example if you have pipe A that is 7 meters long and pipe B which is 3 meters long, it just looks like a 10 meter pipe. If you change it to be 5+5m, that behaves differently.

Trying to eliminate the possibility of design breakage due to this is one of the largest drivers in my testing

[frail sleet]

Good when you want to build something in africa with the hoverpack or you have a crash site to open

[lusty island]

Here's a view of my rocketfuel powerplant, using 1200 oil/min. Not sure how well it shows how i've distributed the fuel, but hope it's helpful.

https://imgur.com/a/qO6q83j

[prisma thicket]

Well that will be nice, but I'm really just curious to see how it affects my current system since I have multiple power plants across the map all connected to the same network.

[sterile blade]

People tested that they're not (perfectly) deterministic. It's not just chaos, when the same savefile leads to different results depending on when/who loads it

[frail sleet]

There's probably some stuff then tied to the performance level of the game.

I noticed recently that when you limit the FPS, the jetpack behaves much more uncontrollably and consumes more fuel than it does when you're playing at high FPS.

More specifically it seems like the "stop boosting" command only applies several(?) frames after you give the input, or later. So at 200fps you can turn it off with like a 10ms granularity, but at 20fps it will keep firing for 100ms after you let go.

[sterile blade]

Again, small differences. Need some really fine testing to even notice. But I reckon it may have actually lead to some "this works; actually it doesn't" situation ^^

[frozen ingot]

pinned in his server for his tools site, possibly somewhere here too

a way to build pipes so that it's almost guaranteed to work:
don't use buffers or valves
loop the pipe manifold
feed from above, not from below
keep system as simple as possible
prefill pipes before running the system
don't use floor holes
only use pumps if going up```

[frail sleet]

pretty good in general, there are some things theorycrafted since which further simplify and guarantee expected function

[frozen ingot]

oh yeah?

please enlighten me 😄

[frail sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1363346708356141106/image.png?ex=6809a791&is=68085611&hm=b2429a269b53d9dd971d841bbf8c6c73acfbb4c04c4551aecf4a4d2553bc1a48&

Problematic backflow occurs when uneven splits happen at junctions (e.g. 50 going one way, 550 another). The junction delivers 300+300, the pipe with the larger drain empties, and then the pipe with lesser drain is more full and flows back through the junction in every direction. This is most commonly a problem with fluid manifolds. The same fluid flows in the main pipe multiple times, reducing the effective flow capacity (for example if 550 flows forwards and 50 flows back, then real flow is 500/600 while the pipe capacity used is 600/600).

To compensate effectively for backflow reducing pipe capacity, when uneven splits are used, do them from a pipe with plenty of spare capacity (personally i stick to half full or less, but they may work to 80-95% before breaking).

To create spare pipe capacity, split pipes evenly (e.g. 600 into 300+300 or 600 into 200+200+200) via a junction before the manifold. Junctions effectively split fluid evenly without consequential backflow.

Avoid unneccesary elevation changes for pipes with complex connections or uneven junctions

Keep consumers on the same level as eachother

Valves also work fine, and often actually reduce backflow - they are just not neccesary.

[sterile blade]

I'd remove the part about feeding from below and pumps. The first is pointless Imo, the second can just be chucked into the point that "simpler is better" (don't add stuff that's not needed)

Then again: is pre-filling really necessary, if a system is well-built?

[frozen ingot]

feeding from above definitely makes a difference when dealing with byproduct fluid

[sterile blade]

How?

[frozen ingot]

i've never tested pumps

idk but it works 😆

i'll be more inclined to do testing later!

[sterile blade]

Correlation is not always causation!

[frozen ingot]

true but previous tests def didn't work!

[frail sleet]

Different verticality of pipes which are not simple (going from A to B as a single pipe) have complex, poorly documented and poorly understood impacts on fluid flow. Relying on them (especially in complex or essential systems) is thus quite perilous.

It's easy to make something that works but not understand why it works, how or why it may break or how to replicate the behavior with a different configuration later.

[sterile blade]

I stand by what I said (there has been testing on this too), I'd have to see such tests (or have the difference explained to me) to be convinced otherwise

[frozen ingot]

i'm not sure what we're talking about any more, i was wide awake after barely 5 hours of sleep so i got up to play 😄

pipes sure do make the game more interesting eh? 😄

i remember Update 3 when they came out, it was hype af 😄

[sleek delta]

i see it's that time of the day we talk about pipes again

[jaunty jewel]

well humans have been recorded thinking about pipes for hours

[prisma thicket]

I think that's a reference to the "pipes" screensaver that used to be really common to see on Windows PC's xD

[sleek delta]

the internet is a series of tubes

[leaden turret]

the tube is a series of internets

[tame garnet]

I'm trying to make nuclear power make sense, and I'm coming up short. It seems I can build a rocket fuel plant that is far simpler and less resource intensive for the same power. Am I missing something? Why would anyone do this? I suppose the building has a pretty model, and that's about all I can find going for it. 😄

[frail sleet]

A nuclear plant has 10x the power of a fuel generator, that's one of the big ones

i.e. you can build 50 nuclear plants or 500 generators

[tame garnet]

ya but... it's not as if I'm about to run out of space 😅

[zenith pecan]

The map is vast, you can build two kilometres directly upwards too, you're not running out of space.

[sleek delta]

it's not an uncommon opinion that with rocket fuel and specifically alts making rocket fuel even easier, that fuel generators are a bit overtuned and nukes are a bit undertuned in terms of return of time investment

but then again literally everything in this game is building because you want to, not because you have to, so ultimately people are still gonna build nukes lol

[zenith pecan]

You're not wrong, my rocket fuel facility, while monstrous, does output quite a lot of electric.

[tame garnet]

the gap is just.. 800 oil and 800 water and 420 generators, and 100GW is mine. Or 16,000 water and an insane production chain pulling in vast amounts of every resource in the game

ah well, I will probably build one as you said, for fun, but this is like a paranoid nimby's fever dream of what nuclear power is like 😄

[zenith pecan]

Rocket fuel power in the blue crater! #satisfactory-experimental message

[tame garnet]

nice!

[zenith pecan]

When I get back home later, I'll complete the curtain wall of the support tower, then I just need to decide on doing the compacted steel or plastic recycler facilities nearby to start taking up the byproducts.

[pseudo turret]

why don't we have solar power or wind power?

yet

also would'nt it be nice to hav gas power since we have both fuel power and coal power

[leaden turret]

October 1st, 2024 Livestream
Q&A: Will solar energy be added to the game at some point?
https://youtu.be/QOg0UCo5z1c

screw the sun we've talked about this so many times screw the sun yeah no probably not

[pseudo turret]

oh okay i mean refined power mod balanced both wind and solar energi so maybe solar energi could just be mid game or something idk, but never mind

but what about Gas energi just saw a video about it

[tall lantern]

rocket fuel?

both uses a gas and is itself a gas

[unkempt sable]

Is there any reason to run around the map and explore? I’m currently in tier 7 and I don’t think I need to travel really far to get all the necessary ores and stuff to progress

[tall lantern]

slugs, spheres, sloops

[frail sleet]

T8 and T9 are much more resource hungry. It's easier to go to the resources and transport or dimensional depot the produced parts than it is to build everything in one place.

[tall lantern]

and just the world looks pretty

[weary fox]

Does anyone have the link for Satisfactory plus mod Discord? The mod isn't working on a new save. The game won't even launch and when I click on the link in the SMM app it's a dead discord link

[unkempt sable]

ooh right

[finite latch]

is there a way to bid hands to numbers? its entirely too chaotic trying to switch between and find what you need with out passing it. I die mainly because I can't get back to the basher quick enough.

[frozen ingot]

because game design 😄

fortunately mods can scratch a variety of itches 😛

[pseudo turret]

okay fair

but mods is a bit glitchy tho

atleast visualy in multiplayer

and when i take the mods of oh boy thats where every thing goes wrong so i just don't wanna take the risk of installing mods plus it cuts down fps drasticly in some cinarios

[green fiber]

Head on over to the modding discord for that.

For SF Mods in general

And if you have issues with installing it because of something like "AB fluid extras" : you need to manually select the current version of SFPlus instead of letting it pick one for you

[vapid compass]

anyone got time to run me over real quick?

[weary fox]

So is SMM trying to install an older version instead of the new one?

[green fiber]

Yes because the new one is are pre-releases and you have to manually opt into them
SMM does not automatically install pre-releases, even if they are technically "newer versions"

[weary fox]

Hmm ok thanks I'll check it out

[dense spruce]

yo guys how do i unlock the new elevators? it says research silica or tier 4 but i cant seem to unlock it? any tips?

[green fiber]

have you checked the awesome shop

[dense spruce]

yea thats where it says research silica or unlock tier 4 but when i research silica it doesnt show up unless its all the way down the research, on the tier 4 its also doesnt say it unlocks them

what are the build costs for the elevator?

[reef basin]

Because it's infinite free power which is practically impossible to balance

[finite latch]

🤷 make the sun dimmer every time a solar panel is placed.. so if a player places too many, its ptch black out and only the flashlight works

[green fiber]

they siphon anway the sun's light xd

unique idea for solar.

But actually this is kinda bottom tier in terms of usability.
Does get points for being cool

[finite latch]

I was not saying its a good idea.. just trying to give context to how one 'could' balance it.. regardless of its practicality..

[green fiber]

If the devs decided "no fuck renewables, FICSIT is about exploiting" then thats their right to do.
that was one justification we got back then, among the "balancing" aspect

[leaden turret]

everyone seems obsessed with photovoltaic solar and doesn't consider molten solar

molten solar needs water and could have a waste product that gets pooted out at dawn

[green fiber]

Mods can do whatever they want because they dont adhere to the same design guideline as the game devs do anyway

[leaden turret]

mod lifts: tries to support vehicles
vanilla lifts: lolnope

[green fiber]

We have a renewable: Geothermal.
I think most people just want solar and wind for the aesthetics really

[leaden turret]

add windmills when we can harvest grains

or floofy-haired magician's assistant/detectives

[finite latch]

was it that they didn't try to support vehicles? or was it deadline and the support didn't make this deadline.. and may happen in the future when they get time for it?

[leaden turret]

ask @void gorge

[green fiber]

its a personnel elevator, not a vehicle elevator

vehicle elevators would need a different design, not the tiny box we have right now

[leaden turret]

@void gorge if the space elevator is the spellevator, and the personnel elevator is the pellevator, would a vehicle elevator be a vellevator or a trellevator?

[green fiber]

Carlevator

[leaden turret]

css: adds truck elevators
chat: train elevators, when?

[frail sleet]

You can't run a mid-lategame factory on geothermal really. You get a bit of power from them and that's it, can't build more.

solar/wind could offer interesting interactions with variability over time (solar by time of day, and wind by some other semirandom curves)

[finite latch]

so an elevator that only goes down is a hellavator?

[green fiber]

100% guaanteed to happen

[green fiber]

geothermal already has that gimmick

[leaden turret]

belevator

[frail sleet]

Geothermal has just never produced a relevant amount of power for me, so it also doesn't have any relevant interactions.

I can't build 100gw of geothermal, it's more like 10gw, and i have 180gw of other power - so geo varying between 5-10gw doesn't actually matter. 90 plus percent of my power is static despite tapping geothermal. If you could build more, maybe 50% or even none of your power is base load guaranteed.

[leaden turret]

hellevator would be helicopter elevator, for all those people that build aircraft carriers in satis

[green fiber]

I dont think solar or wind would make any meaningful amount compared to geothermal
Thats the design question they had too.
Either its "just enough to make players spam them" or "not enough to be worth it"
And if it costs resources to maintain, then its just a normal generator in disguise

[finite latch]

or how to get sam from that node in the grassy plains

[boreal musk]

cave

[leaden turret]

given that conveyor lifts carry resources, are they relevators?

[boreal musk]

rideable drone when tho

[leaden turret]

what you get up to in the privacy of your own #1201555265942724758 is up to you

[green fiber]

Honestly i think geothermal only exists so you can create a factory far off somewhere

so you dont need to run a power line there or set up a power plant directly

A power storage or 2 are enough to keep it usable.
its only a few hundred MW, yes, but thats usually enough to at least get other stuff running.

[finite latch]

I honestly never messed with geothermal.. I don't think they are tiered right.. you don't unlock until midgame.. but by then the power gain you get is pennies on your main grid

[green fiber]

its an exploration reward in the MAM, so i think it kinda fits in there.
Its not supposed to support a grid, its supposed to help create a new one. Thats my belief

[finite latch]

and its not like you can make a factory bigger like with coal or fuel.. its just the one.. doing its thing..

[finite latch]

when you say 'start'.. do you mean like a failsafe in case of an outage? like something to kickstart your power plant

[vapid compass]

it can be useful for something like keeping your fuel rod manufacturer running on a separate loop that way if you do get a power outage you aren't starting out with 0 fuel rods. i made a small coal burning series of plants for that but i could see that as being a better option potentially

[green fiber]

no i mean literally create a new, seperate power grid, somewhere out in the middle of nowhere

Kinda like the stuff we do with biomass burners to power up coal generators

The biomass burners serve as the "grid starters" usually

they are the first power you need to create the rest

[finite latch]

but you only do that once.. or at least I do

[green fiber]

Yeah most tend to think that you'd just have one giant power grid all over the map

and in those cases, yes, Geothermal is redundant

You wont benefit from it

[finite latch]

I do.. I don't see the point in them not being connected

[green fiber]

Its a decision one can make for whatever reason one can come up with

[vapid compass]

well, i didn't have an outage for along time, then i had one last night when i was idling. i came back and had to figure out how to get all my nuclear plants restarted with no power and no fuel rods

[finite latch]

if I have a factory with its own grid.. and it is only using 90% of that grid.. then 10% is wasted.. I'd rather that be on the grid and use it else where

[green fiber]

For some factories, that are out there, i honestly do not care about the power wasted there

[vapid compass]

having a separate grid would have helped. i had to essentially isolate a coal burning series of plants i had and upscale it a bit to get enough power then line it to my manufacturer at my power plant to get some fuel rods made

[green fiber]

I have like.... 2 mini bases somewhere out there where geothermal is probably like the only bit of powder they would need

They dont get expanded, they dont get more attention. They just do their thing

[finite latch]

for the factories out there.. I don't care to build a seperate power plant.. just run a cable.. power towers make that real easy now

[green fiber]

How you tackle exploration and expansion is up to you

[vapid compass]

i had one mega grid on my starter save. i didn't realize there was a better way to do it at the time. i started putting power lines everywhere and connecting them to every power pole i ran into, for the hoverpack and what i thought was redundancy

[green fiber]

Whether you decide to drag power lines with you right away or tend to them later

or if you connect grids at all

[austere crag]

Where do i get those sam things for the alien technology research?

[solid dawn]

SAM Ore is mineable around town, I know they're mostly found in 'underground' settings.

I keep on forgetting its full name. Strange Alien Matter.

[austere crag]

Around town?

There is a town?

[prisma thicket]

You kinda need to explore caves and crevices to find SAM nodes, but you don't need a ton of it early, so just dropping down a portable miner or mining it by hand is good enough for the first couple tiers of MAM research.

[vapid compass]

i found sam really late in my early-mid game. it was painful

i went in pretty much blind so didn't know what i was missing

[pastel carbon]

That was me with quartz on my first game

Pre-1.0, getting quartz from grass fields was brutal

Although climbing a mountain to get quartz was pretty memorable

[vapid compass]

stumbling onto things randomly was the most memorable, they put those sam nodes in neat places. i randomly found the one near the starter area while i was exploring

[weary fox]

Yay it's working now! Thanks

[solid dawn]

I used my need for a good set of quartz nodes to also nab SAM in the same underground cavern area.

[weary fox]

In the grass fields? I know that cave well 😂

In fact I'm there now just started a SF+ playthrough

[solid dawn]

Is the grass fields cave the one that exits out to like 4 coal ore, iron, copper and a lake? 😄

It's my favorite train stop for a good ore haul. 😄

Then my train goes up the hill to nab the caterium and two sulfur ore as its last stop.

[dawn idol]

gree fields in general is brutal pre trains lmao

[pastel carbon]

Grass fields is fine tbh

[dawn idol]

tbh its not as bad as it used to be now

[pastel carbon]

It has all the resources you need for early game, and the 1.0 node changes made it pretty great

Quartz is now next door, and the blue crater is amazing

[dawn idol]

other then caterium

[pastel carbon]

Huh

There's 2 pure caterium veins in or near the grassy fields

Caterium is easy

[dawn idol]

1 covered by rocks

the other one is not close

[solid dawn]

I think the places I avoid are the jungles...*SHUDDER*...HATE THOSE DAMN SPIDERS.

[pastel carbon]

The other one is an excellent starting location

Or an excellent outpost location

Either way, caterium is hardly hard to come by in the grassy fields

And where you find caterium, you also find other resources to combine it with

[dawn idol]

does not help sulfur is in the corner of the grass planes loll

on thew other side

[pastel carbon]

That sulfur is good for explosives

I'm not entirely sure what you need caterium and sulfur together in the early game for, but sure

If you really need sulfur, that's blue crater

[dawn idol]

sulfur for the explosivews and caterium for t2 power polls plus some other useful things

[pastel carbon]

Yeah, but you don't need them together

So them being on opposite ends of grassy fields doesn't particularly matter

They're both easily accessible in the grassy fields

[dawn idol]

since caterium thats near u though is covered in rocks you have to go a lot farther to be fair

[pastel carbon]

Even other starts like rocky desert don't put caterium and sulfur together

[pastel carbon]

If you want caterium early, and to be fair it's nice

But grassy fields is meant to teach you to go out and explore

And not just stay in a single location

Which is why it's a good beginner map

Apart from it also being nice and flat with easy enemies

[dawn idol]

bruh the game suddenly wants me to get alternate afor caterium LMAO

tempered caterium vs pure caterium ingot XD

I need my alternate for HMF 😦

[solid dawn]

Oh, digging up the biome list, I am definitely one who traverses the Rocky Desert....a lot...I think the furthest east I go is dipping my toes into the Northern Forest.

and to hell with the Red Jungle. HISS. Hate that place, hate it a lot!

[dawn idol]

XD fair

[earnest hatch]

any dedicated serverts here?

somewhere I can join?

[dawn idol]

#1201555265942724758

[frozen ingot]

^

[earnest hatch]

yeah no reply's there

think they are all in game ?

[dawn idol]

theres lots of responcesss

[solid dawn]

I'd say give it time and patience, not everybody pays attention to the discord when they're lost in the bamboo fields battling stingers.

[dawn idol]

XD

or sleeping

dreaming about the factory

[leaden turret]

people who are looking for group are in looking for group
if nobody is responding to looking for group then nobody is in looking for group because nobody is looking for group

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory message

[dawn idol]

lol

I wise I dreamt more often/about gaming XD

[solid dawn]

I'm trying to figure out a way to beautify my tower of factory in my head.

[dawn idol]

👀 dont look at my factories then XD

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=tower

[solid dawn]

Mine is a simple brick building, but I haven't bought all the sink toys to make it beautiful yet, I gotta go farming for sinkables. 😄

I went into #screenshots and...uhm...I feel so amateur now.

[soft orchid]

hey guys, i have a question. i've start another game at the side for testing something and the map and node seems different than in my old 368h game. does they have change the map and its only when you restart a new game that the change can be seen????

[frail sleet]

They changed some nodes before release, but that changed them in old saves as well as new.

[soft orchid]

ok

ok so that's why i dont see things the same way in thosse game

[frail sleet]

I dunno, you're not using any mods?

[soft orchid]

nope

[stiff plover]

can you ride drones?

[leaden turret]

you can ride anything if you try hard enough

[abstract heron]

i have 275k foundations in my 1.0 world

should i get up to 5million or 500k

[stiff plover]

i get kicked off 💔

[leaden turret]

but you rode it for a while 😛

[leaden turret]

make a 3d maze with foundations, walls, and elevators.

@void gorge powered doors, when?

[abstract heron]

i thought light weights don't contain much

[leaden turret]

can't easily coalesce discontinuous foundations

[abstract heron]

i am making 9444 RF per minute

[stiff plover]

it started eating me

[abstract heron]

i was thinking after making everything pure and seeing how much power i can get with big extractoring mods etc etc

[wary blaze]

chat nearing the manufacturer phase of the game (tier 6/phase 3) and its getting harder and harder to find good locations for factories

should i start making a megabase now

[leaden turret]

looks up

[wary blaze]

so real

[frozen cloud]

hes cooked

[tiny river]

Is there a way to calculate the throughput of fluid trains

[wary blaze]

i spent the past 3 hours making a plastic and rubber factory

i think im nearing cooked levels

yeah so how the fuck does one plan/make a megabase

[tiny river]

I just started building lmao

[wary blaze]

how did you plan yours

[frozen cloud]

make a main bus

[tiny river]

I found a spot I liked

That was nice to build in and made sense

And started with a frame which I built out

#design-and-architecture message

Eventually I'm going to add a massive warehouse like extension on that back that'll be for all my aluminum

[wary blaze]

i dont really care much about the design aspect, what im intimidated about is planning out the size, how the factories are laid out, and all the other logistic bullshit

"i dont really care much about design" said the dude who spent his first 25 awesome shop tickets on random design elements

[tiny river]

Design is hard to get started on

I rebuilt the front of my base a good 3 times

Still not sure about it

[wary blaze]

yeah and i have neither the time nor intention to make good designs

i was never a builder even in minecrafy

i like seeing conveyers go nyoom

[opal thistle]

Is there any mods or file edits to remove all the grass and trees?

[wet shoal]

Make a sketch, paper and pencil. Rough shapes first, chose point of perspective, then when you are happy with the rough, try textures and details.

[tiny river]

Nah

[wet shoal]

Then you can try to translate that into ingame

[wary blaze]

thats literally architecture

[tiny river]

I just framed it out, works great

[wet shoal]

You started over how often?

[tiny river]

3 times

But not completely

[wet shoal]

I mean, if you have nice visualization you can do without, like me.

But thats the thing, I actually had architecture lessons lol

[tiny river]

ok buddy

[wet shoal]

dont call me buddy mate

[wary blaze]

buddyboy

ok so like how do i plan layouts and shit

[wet shoal]

I hped he would reply with "dont call me mate pal"

[wary blaze]

dont call me mate pal

[tiny river]

I was going to but that seemed petty

[leaden turret]

squat and wait, generally

[wary blaze]

me when im taking a shit

[tiny river]

why must fluid train throughput be such a pain

They look so nice...

[wary blaze]

idek what throughput means i just like going overkill with fluid amounts

[tiny river]

REAL

[wary blaze]

2 extractors take 5.333 coal generators? nah ima js make 5

[tiny river]

What

[wary blaze]

i phrased that weirdly

i was plannig a 20 coal generator plant and it took 7.5 extractors so i just used 8

[wet shoal]

8 : 3, very difficult.

[wary blaze]

i didnt know it at the time and i wanted to make 20 generators

i used it earlier tho so improvement

[wet shoal]

Nice

[wary blaze]

oh and is 225 caterium per minute overkill for quickwire

[wet shoal]

Good earlygame sink

[wary blaze]

it probably is considering i have all of it going into sink bc my storage is full

[wary blaze]

is 100k per ticket still earlygame

[wet shoal]

Yeah very much so

[wary blaze]

ngl i only messed with the awesome shop like 2 weeks ago when i was making my phase 2 factory

and i was like ohhh, OHHH

[wet shoal]

I mean you can literally make 20k / min or something by just having your SAM-node under the arch turned into reanimated sam, and fed into the sink, only needs MK3 belt I think.

repeat that for each sam node you find until you have better use, tickets literally flood in.

[tiny river]

that's crazy

I just sinked an industrial bin of modular frames lol

[wet shoal]

You got smart splitters?

[wary blaze]

fun fact i saw a sam node 2 weeks ago when i was making a factory and thouvht it was quartz then scanned it and it didnt pop up so i left it behind

only realized it was a sam node yesterday night when i was in bed

[tiny river]

Just unlocked them about 5 minutes ago lol

[wary blaze]

dude i am overflowing with modular frames holy shit

and im only making 5 per minute

[wet shoal]

The whispering of the living metal kinda gives it away

[tiny river]

I had a single assembler making them

Left for a while to build my turbofuel plant

[wary blaze]

it was the sam node really low so i didnt hear the metal

[tiny river]

And come back to a full industrial bin

[wet shoal]

have one in front of each storage, and set the side you wanna use for overflow into sink to... overflow

[tiny river]

Meh

[wet shoal]

Lets you keep your storage for building

[tiny river]

Going to do with my new storage

[wet shoal]

While also keeping things running

[tiny river]

But the old one is a piece of crap

[wet shoal]

hehe

[wary blaze]

my storage is literally floating in the sky above my main iron factory

innovation

i unlocked smart splitters for the sole purpose of making my storage system

[wet shoal]

Well yeah. Its their primary use, to get oversaturated things go elsewhere.

Im just very annoyed that basic splitters lack that functionality

[tiny river]

they're not smart enough

[wary blaze]

yeag and i mosrly use them for awesome sink redirection now

chat i just found out how big the map is and im lowkey crying

[tiny river]

time to go choo choo

[wet shoal]

Figured out slidejumping yet?

[wary blaze]

like i made a hypertube go from my main area to my plastic rubber factory and it takes like forever to get there

[wary blaze]

yes and its a lifesaver

but i keep jumping off the edge of the map

[wet shoal]

lol

[wary blaze]

accidentally unlocked the ||1hp achievement||

[wet shoal]

Yeah I was once worried I would need to try countless times to trigger it, but accident took care.

Good shit

[abstract heron]

i accidentally did the 140kmh achievment by going off a cliffing and running off of it

[tiny river]

#design-and-architecture message choo choo!

[abstract heron]

i need to do more stuff with trains

[wary blaze]

oh i did that earlier too

i thought i needed a fast car but apparently just fly off

[tiny river]

hypertube cannons my beloved

[wet shoal]

i build one with 30 entries or something and shot myself into space

still took ages

[frozen cloud]

casual trip to the food court

[tiny river]

@frozen cloud why no mk2 pipes

[frozen cloud]

because they do less than 600 in long manifolds
more like 550

[tiny river]

ah

[frozen cloud]

mk2 pipes are fine just dont do 600/min

[tiny river]

too late...

[wet shoal]

Unless
You are the chosen one.

[tiny river]

I may be running 3 lines of full mk2 pipes with fuel for my turbofuel plant

[wet shoal]

Shhhh

[frozen cloud]

i mean theres way
like not doing long manifolds at 600/min but feeding 2 x 300/min from both ends

[wet shoal]

I tried that with turbofuel, and the sloshing just never stops. Looped or not.

250% overclocked generators, so there weren't even that many in that manifold.

[tiny river]

fluids are such a pain

power plant do be working tho, 50 GW

[wet shoal]

Would just run 24 gens at 450 / pipe

1/3 less, adds up to nice colums.

[tiny river]

I'm doing 67 on 500 pipes

[wet shoal]

Well im talking about 250% overclocked gens

[tiny river]

Ye

[wet shoal]

because why wouldn't you overclock them, no downside.

Perhaps you lack the slugjuice

[tiny river]

it may be time for a slug hunt

[wet shoal]

I hope you slooped your slugjuicer

double the juice for the same slug

[tiny river]

yeyeyee

[wary blaze]

whats a hypertube cannon

[wet shoal]

goooood

[wary blaze]

is it stacked entrances

[tiny river]

the best thing ever

yea

[wet shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMIfjfCCgb0

[leaden turret]

🧱
🧱 🪦 🏃‍♀️

[frozen ingot]

hypertube cannons are my main form of pioneer transportation 😄

i love them so much

[tiny river]

Same here

[wet shoal]

Still waiting for trainsized hypertubes.

chooshooooot

[frozen ingot]

they're just so fun, it's such a classic example of unintentional consequences proving to be a boon

[leaden turret]

scim, change scale

[sturdy dawn]

is it worth underclocking the last maschine on a manifold or just live with yellow light?

[leaden turret]

@balmy kiln out of curiosity, when you've done your scaling experiments, do we get a giant/tiny pioneer if the hypertube gets scaled?

[frozen ingot]

depends how much you care about power efficiency

the manifold will run just fine if you don't underclock it. If you do underclock it, you'll save a bit of power

[sturdy dawn]

so not worth except it's a big maschine

[frozen ingot]

arguably yeah, it's a fairly personal preference i would say

early game i absolutely do it, and tend to do it out of habit even in the end game when i have oodles of power

[red sun]

i tend to underclock each machine equally

no idea why or if it works out more efficient but i do it anyway lol

[frozen cloud]

underclocking is overrated

[turbid ledge]

Underclocking? What a weird way to say 250% speed

[frozen ingot]

nah underclocking is glorious

[frozen cloud]

i havent underclocked in years and im doing fine

[wet shoal]

Idle machines take 0,1 MW of power

[leaden turret]

0.1mw

[wet shoal]

I hate my keyboard

[sturdy dawn]

i dont do underclock since it involves math. just put 14 constructors instead of downclocking the last one to 84.3%

[leaden turret]

it's possible to underclock machines to the point where they use more power at idle than during production, meaning you can get a power cut caused by production stopping

[frozen cloud]

factorio doesnt have underclocking
dyson sphere program doesnt have underclocking
coffee stain studios has played you all for fools
its all a lie created by the slug industry
wake up sheeple

[leaden turret]

no sheep on massage 2abbababababababa

[balmy kiln]

Don't think

[wet shoal]

Idk. underclocking only has two benefits, taking less power than an over-scaled machine, and reducing power fluctuations.
First one only matters for the last machine that need to address the f*cked ratio, second one is completely irrelevant the second you have any power storage at all.

[frozen cloud]

biggest upside is no yellow lights

[wet shoal]

I used it for alumina loop tho.

[tiny river]

yellow lights make me sad

[frozen cloud]

i dont care so in dont underclcok xd

[wet shoal]

Too busy building bigger factory, no time watching old one.

Go yellow, pink or green, dont care, just produce.

[turbid ledge]

As long as i get my one supercomputer then im happy at the end of the day

[sturdy dawn]

i am a bit sad that any further progress involves hefty amounts of work. to continue with converter, ficsit bars and quantum stuff i need to do RF instead of Turbo or build NPP or smart use of priority switches and wait for weeks

[frozen cloud]

RFs easy its just one step

[wet shoal]

I gonna skip turbofuel in this playthrough.

[frozen cloud]

also the alt makes it waaay easier

[frozen cloud]

getting to nitric acid takes long though

[sturdy dawn]

yea just add that one acid xD

[tiny river]

RF?

[frozen cloud]

rocket fuel

[tiny river]

Ah

[frozen cloud]

use Nitro Rocket Fuel
it makes it waaay easier to set up

[tiny river]

Nuclear 👍

[frozen cloud]

nuclear is bait

its nice if you wanna make the most complex items in the game
but rocket fuel is just better

[wet shoal]

https://factoriolab.github.io/sfy/list?z=eJwFwc1OwlAUhdG36eBLbFrlRwcdcM69UERFUAwOQYpUrUBDCHGwn9219oUf6GVZ0hQlwHU3S-p1VcSkPtTFKGmrSxEZMWaiB6bMWPGhik--9MNRLSedufCnjA597khlAyxgQ6zE7mUT7BGbYnPsVbbAlthKtsYq2RbbYb-yPXaUtdgFy7FUPsADPsKf8Gd8Ln.B3-RLfCXf4Dt5jTf4ET.Jz3gmz.GOvIv35bd4SnDCUKEkbBRuCD3ClUJKjIpj4oL4rrghbok7xZr4nTRNW5TJucjzf7yvUtg_&v=11

That one Im going for then.

Until then just regular fuel from diluted recipe

[spark ruin]

unless you are already making turbofuel

[sturdy dawn]

yea that is the issue. the moment i want to upgrade my turbo fuel generator farm everything will break so i have to build all new

[wet shoal]

Not worth it

[frozen cloud]

just make a new plant using the alt

[spark ruin]

hard disagree

[tiny river]

What do yall think I should do for that then, I'm currently making 1500 turbofuel lol

[frozen cloud]

why?

[wet shoal]

Well leave it as that, that should be plenty power to finish your current phase no

[sturdy dawn]

it's not 'just' it is like 3 hours of my valuable life span. i rather discuss how to avoid work for 2 more hours

[tiny river]

for future

[frozen cloud]

xD

[tiny river]

rocket or nuke

[spark ruin]

i dont think that RF is "just better" than nuclear 🤷‍♂️

[wet shoal]

Would rip the turbo apart in a few steps (disconnect grid first lol)
and gradually replace with rocketfuel.

Blue crater also has nitrogen nearby

[tiny river]

What's the recipe for rf?

[frozen cloud]

well yeah im asking why
if you store the waste maybe but that kinda sucks
if you dont then its more complex and more expensive

[wet shoal]

Click link I posted a minute ago

[frozen cloud]

blue crater rocket fuel is goated

[wet shoal]

Devs did an oopsie when they designed blue crater. Its too good.

[sturdy dawn]

blue crater is bot right sea?

[wet shoal]

lake

but yes

[abstract heron]

i am making 9444 RF but i have 3150 do i take some from alumin build for a bit or not

[brisk mica]

When do you guys think the next sale is gonna be

[abstract heron]

i need gas wise 3777 per minute

[leaden turret]

add game to your wishlists, get notified

[wet shoal]

You are closely monitored by market analysts, and they will implement the next big sale the second you ran out of money.

[brisk mica]

jokes on you, i already have no money

[tiny river]

got blue crater set up for 1500 turbo rn #design-and-architecture message

pain

[abstract heron]

how about me with 9444 RF per minute

[frozen ingot]

it's fantastic for stuff like steel screws so you can have a constructor inject directly into an assembler/manufacturer, instead of a manifold

[wet shoal]

You can expect a bigger sale when summerbreak is close.

[frozen ingot]

like high throughput recipes

[sturdy dawn]

wow nice and tidy and not being done in even 4 hours

[frozen ingot]

underclock for efficiency

[brisk mica]

i cant wait that long 😩 ill just fork over the 50$

[frozen cloud]

just make a blueprint for 4 gens and its easy
#screenshots message

[frozen ingot]

FICSIT does not waste

[wet shoal]

For the price of running more machines that take space and performance. Would rather overclock the consumer.

[frozen ingot]

i don't do much overclocking of consumers early on

[zenith pecan]

This place is also in the blue crater, it produces 7200 rocket fuel #design-and-architecture message

[frozen ingot]

and it's not about running more machines either

[wet shoal]

Lets just say I have always too many slugs.

[frozen ingot]

😉

i don't like the extra power use early on

obviously once you have oodles of power it's less of an issue

[wet shoal]

Neglible imo

[tiny river]

#design-and-architecture message

[wet shoal]

few MW here and there

[tiny river]

How much pwr

[frozen ingot]

not neglible in the early game!

[abstract heron]

Do u think i have a good game with Satisfactory if i have these hrs

16,047 hrs TOTAL

[frozen ingot]

good lord....

[tiny river]

get help

[zenith pecan]

This much #satisfactory-experimental message

[wet shoal]

Idk, 4.8 GW with unprocessed coal with no sweat, and a multiple of that the second you unlock oil processing.

[tiny river]

Jesus

[wet shoal]

utilizing only Blue crater of course.

[abstract heron]

@wet shoal

[frozen ingot]

yeah that's not much for me, and i like to be efficient so i'd rather have more production instead of wasting it on overclocking a consumer - personally

[spark ruin]

bragging rights

• me not wanting to build another 550 fuel gens

[frozen cloud]

wtf how

[frozen ingot]

easy to build consumers

[wet shoal]

How much did you spent idling tho.

[spark ruin]

should i call the asylum ?

[abstract heron]

not much i think

[abstract heron]

no

[spark ruin]

are you good mentally ?

[abstract heron]

i been on steam since june 8th 2020

and yes i am very good just making 9444 RF per minute

[spark ruin]

💀

[abstract heron]

slowly working on it

fyi all by hand no blueprints

[zenith pecan]

I have so much of the support towers glass still to put in, and I haven't decided on a look for the production levels of the three generator towers.

[wet shoal]

So you spent over 9 hours playing each day for 58 months

How is your unemployment going

[abstract heron]

and i am also making 50.4 nuclear fuel rod factory too

[frozen cloud]

amateur

[abstract heron]

i won't comment on that one

[spark ruin]

plus : its fun

[abstract heron]

i think i have to build 940 fuel gens per minute fully overclocked at 10 min

[sturdy dawn]

dude i already think i have a serious issue playing this game for 300 hours xD

except i slept half the time

[spark ruin]

i though playing the game for 1000 hours was bad

[abstract heron]

i have 2,365hr in my current world

[wet shoal]

Idk people should do with their time whatever keeps them from thinking about the meaninglessness of existence

[abstract heron]

my biggestt was 6800hr on a save

[spark ruin]

holy shite dude

[frozen cloud]

oh no

[spark ruin]

i thought 454 hours was bad

[abstract heron]

after my 1.0 playthough i am debating on making all nodes pure with big extractor mods and such trying to see if i can get big power

[turbid ledge]

Ionized fuel seems

Overrated

Like yea its good but the cost to make it when rocket fuel xan be mass produced easily just seems like its not worth it

[spark ruin]

make synthetic power shards for making power = 👎

its good for drones at least

and thats about it

[turbid ledge]

I honestly just use turbo fuel for drones mainly cause i only have two

One for transporting waste to make pellets and one for transporting uranium fuel rods to my energy plants

[frozen cloud]

ionized for jetpack is crazy though

[abstract heron]

i already turned 3450 oiil into 9200 fuel all into power atm

[spark ruin]

i cant get 600 items per minute with turbo fuel (even though its only like 500meters)

[spark ruin]

thats the other thing its good for

[turbid ledge]

I honestly just buy ionized off the shop

[spark ruin]

lol

[sturdy dawn]

you have golden nut already?

[turbid ledge]

Im close

I still think i should be able to buy nukes on the marker

Totally not to make those spiders a endangered species

[abstract heron]

i have 724 coupons hi dyno

[abstract heron]

do i need to touch grass?

[turbid ledge]

Touching grass is not on company time

Therefore not allowed

[sturdy dawn]

how much gens can be powered from blue crater?

[turbid ledge]

Blue crater?

[sturdy dawn]

yea the oil around

[zenith pecan]

I'm running 720 there all with a 240% overclock burning rocket fuel at the blue craster.

[sturdy dawn]

ok cool yea 400 GW is enough 🙂

[zenith pecan]

The place does have a support tower with power amp machines and 7776 power stores too.

Grand total of like #satisfactory-experimental message

[gritty marsh]

Imo ionized fuel is for jetpack and drones

[turbid ledge]

What does. IMO mean ive seen it used but i dont know what it is

[gritty marsh]

“In my opinion”

[turbid ledge]

Ah

[grizzled lotus]

has satisfactory reached 1.0 for a long time?

[frozen ingot]

released in september iirc (2024)

[gritty marsh]

I need to figure out how much ionized fuel i need to make for my drones carrying uranium, currently planning to do 120/min

[gritty marsh]

Yeah

September 10th 2024

Damn that doesnt feel like almost 8 months ago

[grizzled lotus]

ok, so more content is possible

I really wish we could get stuff from creatures such as the confusing creature and the poisonous flower

and the flower bird

[turbid ledge]

I think theres only one thing that. Annoys me in this game

Conveyors inside splitters that dont upgrade

[spark ruin]

there is some more QOL content in 1.1
but thats it

[turbid ledge]

Like you upgrade everything else then wonder why your system is going so slow

Come to realize a small conveyor is still level one hidden in a splitter

[spark ruin]

[brisk urchin]

The elevator music better have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7eJg7hRvqE

[dense spruce]

is there any way to make smoke?

[spark ruin]

any power generator besides the 2 renewables

[ripe basin]

Good day guys

[dense spruce]

without power generators? i cant bring coal and water up that high

[ripe basin]

Build lower

[dense spruce]

its for an art project haha

[spark ruin]

well
there has to be a mod for smoke
you could use that if you arent playing 1.1

[spark ruin]

then why not just use creative mode ?

[dense spruce]

creative mode?

its in my normal world but dw its not that big of a deal

the idea still comes across

[spark ruin]

oh
then dont use creative mode

i guess
cuz crative mode turns off your achievements

[split badger]

can the hazmat suit offer some radiation protection on it's own or do i need the filters?

[reef basin]

you can

[turbid ledge]

I think you need the filters

[split badger]

how long do the filters last?

[leaden ether]

My kingdom for an empty hand slot -.-

[tall schooner]

Are there any recommended hosting services for a dedicated server? Or if not recommendations at least warnings to stay away from particular ones?

[reef basin]

best hosting is when you host it yourself

[tall schooner]

I really need to get my server running. For the time being though I'd like to get a dedicated hosting service set up.

I've got a 40 core, 192 GB RAM server sitting on a shelf next to me, but I need to get around to updating the BIOS so it can support the CPUs properly. Then I can toss together a VM to host stuff. But that's a weekend project when I actually have the time, energy, and motivation.

[north sluice]

i am in creative and setting up a uranium/plutonium/fisconium plant and i need about 660 water extractors

[frail sleet]

the amount of cores and RAM don't really matter, so long as it's >=16GB. The performance of individual cores and the cache/memory performance do

[spark ruin]

depends

-on how radioactive you are

[spark ruin]

i think you could just run it on your gaming PC for the time being

[hollow vector]

use all fluids are gasses

you wont need pumps

[split badger]

i see, because i need a place to store the uranium

[gritty marsh]

5/min at max

[tall schooner]

I don't have much overhead available while running the VM for work, this is why I wanted to set up a dedicated server rather than running it locally.

[gilded marsh]

Is there something like an awesome shredder but for fluid

[green fiber]

nope

package > sink

[unkempt blade]

you could set up a lot of storage tanks and drain them manually if you need a stopgap but the automatic sinking only works for solids

[turbid ledge]

Has there been any mention of new land to explore in the future or will it most likely stay as this size

[green fiber]

no plans for new lands

[turbid ledge]

Sadge

[coral stone]

Hi guys, were there any rumors yet about moving 1.1 to normal version?

[green fiber]

According to devs:
"When its done"

[turbid ledge]

Snow biome would be goofy

[green fiber]

Hannah (world designer) shot that idea down long ago.
No snow biome

you can wait until its december again, then everything is a snow biome

[turbid ledge]

Has there been any mentions of new animals?

[silent aurora]

This is probably in the faq channel

But when console? Said sometime 2025

Any speculation?

[green fiber]

also no

[frail sleet]

It doesn't snow on ficsmas

[green fiber]

last time i was certain it did

[frail sleet]

there is maybe a very light snow falling visual, but there isn't snow on the ground at all etc

[turbid ledge]

What do i do with ficmas gifts anyways i have like ten in a crate and idk how to use them

[silent aurora]

Just drop a trillion snowballs on the ground to cover it in ankle deep snow

[green fiber]

you do funny ficsmas production during the winter holidays only

[turbid ledge]

Ah

[green fiber]

any other time of the year it is absolutely worthless

[silent aurora]

Afaik cant use em anymore until christmas

[turbid ledge]

As long as i have my comically oversized big head i dont need no ficmas gifts

[silent aurora]

I like ficsmas gifts. They send me nobelisks

Nobelisks my beloved

[onyx pagoda]

if i need help with my satisfactory wich channel do i go into?

[green fiber]

depends on the issue

game crashing / not starting?
probably better to make a #1038092680493801533 post

small questions like "how do i know how much water a coal generator uses" ?
in here is fine

[onyx pagoda]

well its not me its my friend its saying something about his graphic's card but hes trying something right now

[unkempt blade]

people here are usually pretty quick to point you at another channel if it's the wrong spot - not sure how well that really answers your question 😄

[green fiber]

If he gets crashes, we need a screenshot of the entire crash message.
Or an image of the problem if its not a crash

[turbid ledge]

Are trains good for long range transport or is that better for drones

Im planning to make a rubber and aluminum factory up far north

[green fiber]

drones are for low throughput

trains are for high throughput

both are for long distance

[turbid ledge]

Got it

[unkempt blade]

both are eclipsed by the might and majesty of a swarm of factory carts though!

[silent aurora]

Can you hypertube lizard doggo?

If so. Just force a lizard doggo to carry stuff and shoot it across the map

[unkempt blade]

Not that I'm aware of. I've gotten them to sit on a truck before though at least for a while

[unkempt blade]

this sounds sort of like how I position my landing pads - the first tube launch you have to see where you'd splat without touching any buttons so you know where the landing pad goes

[spark ruin]

both are outshined by the allmighty conveyor belt

[turbid ledge]

Polymer resin seems to be the best way to make rubber and aluminum

[green fiber]

why aluminum

the default rubber recipe is better than polymer resin alt for that

[turbid ledge]

I like mass production and resin helps me with that

Also i suck at managing pipes so resin is a lot more straightforward for me

Crude oil does not like me

[green fiber]

sounds like skill issue to me

[grizzled lotus]

I'm going to set up my first truck route. if I mess it up do I have to do it all over again?

[turbid ledge]

Correct

It is

[green fiber]

yes.
so dont mess up

No pressure of course

[spark ruin]

eehhh
its actually HOR + watery fuel + residual rubber + recycled rubber/plastic

[grizzled lotus]

why are there 2 sets of belt inputs? are they the same?

[green fiber]

for what

the truck station?

[spark ruin]

if you do that perfectly then you will have 3 rubber/plastic for every bit of oil you use

[green fiber]

so you can transport 2 belts at once of course

[grizzled lotus]

but there are 3 belt inputs

[green fiber]

look closely at the third

like, really closely

and then think for a moment

[grizzled lotus]

is it for fuel?

[turbid ledge]

[grizzled lotus]

so this is the fuel input to fuel the truck, but the station itself can run on electricity

[green fiber]

correct

[turbid ledge]

Correct

[green fiber]

the fuel can be just about anything that burns

[turbid ledge]

I usually just use turbo fuel for it

[green fiber]

i use coal

[turbid ledge]

Condensed coal or standard coal?

[green fiber]

stinkin normal coal, straight from the mine

[turbid ledge]

I honestly really dont see a difference in vehicles with ionized and rocket fuel aside from fuel consumption

I dont think it makes it go faster

[green fiber]

precisely, so i dont bother with any fancy refined fuel

its just for longer distances.

[austere valve]

Do bother with fancy refined fuel, otherwise you can't use it to brag later

[turbid ledge]

I do use turbofuel for generators cause im still building my nuclear arsenal

[green fiber]

If im gonna give them fancy fuel im gonna give them the MOST fancy fuel.
Not some cheap petroleum knock-off

[turbid ledge]

I think if i have one refinery making turbo fuel i can power up to three generators maybe more

[green fiber]

Only the peakest of peak fuels

[turbid ledge]

Is there a way to automate biofuels

[green fiber]

no

[turbid ledge]

Figured

[green fiber]

processing yes, extraction so its sustainable: no

[austere valve]

Imagine if they added a coal into biofuel recipe

[turbid ledge]

Clearly we should have a drone that chops down trees and regrows them

[green fiber]

Coal > Biofuel
Biofuel > Biocoal.
the perfect loop

[grizzled lotus]

how do I know if my truck is parked properly?

[green fiber]

the station has a yellow pause symbol on it

you dont even need to park it under it, just drive by

[turbid ledge]

Press f to unload i think

[green fiber]

the waiting time can be adjusted later

[grizzled lotus]

ok

[turbid ledge]

I honestly dont use trucks or tractors cause i could do the smoothest path and somehow it still gets stuck

[grizzled lotus]

: /

[green fiber]

i drive some shitty path and then it just does it because it can use magic™️ to just fly

[turbid ledge]

I remember watching my truck just swerve into my pipes once for no reason

That was a unique thing to watch

[azure swan]

This reminds me: There are a host of achievements I've missed out on because I skipped over trucks and tractors.

I've never even been run over by my own vehicles...For shame...

[green fiber]

amateur!

I should report you to Ficsit management for that

didnt even claim the insurance money for a workplace related accident!

[azure swan]

I've already been written up four times for buying parts.

They'd have fired me long ago if I wasn't humanity's last hope.

[turbid ledge]

I like how ADA just silently judges my choices in game

[green fiber]

they overtuned her a bit much this time around

[turbid ledge]

It seems some voicelines keep on repeating when i ger hard drives

Like one about a damaged hard drive keeps on appearing for me

[grizzled lotus]

ok, path done. time to see if it works

[dawn idol]

at this point shes like gladios's kid or something

[turbid ledge]

The pokemon?

[green fiber]

except glados knew how to make it sting!

[turbid ledge]

And then got turned into a potato cause she was too good at what she did

Also cause some snarky orb said he wanted to be leader

[green fiber]

and then she learned some humility...
then she uninstalled it

[turbid ledge]

Humility is for the WEAK

[dawn idol]

which was prob lying anyway

[grizzled lotus]

it works! It reached the station!

hopefully it returns

[turbid ledge]

Dont worry ficsit trucks are powered by the tears of the workers so it will magically get there even if its stuck

[placid stirrup]

True, since Ficsit does not waste

[grizzled lotus]

I do NOT like this purple forest

[placid stirrup]

Watch out for the bog witch

[frail sleet]

I managed that with an explorer

[grizzled lotus]

I just checked the storage that's linked to the truck station and there's nothing in it

ok my truck is loaded, but why isn't it offloading?

[austere crag]

How do I solve next stop is unreachable?

I got two stations and I want the train to go between them automatically

[grizzled lotus]

ok it's not stopping at the station it's supposed to offload to. It just drives by quickly. how do I solve that?

[sick heart]

just carpet bombed the swamp, feels good man

[placid stirrup]

$5 says you have a station the wrong way

[wicked nacelle]

I hope they add some late game content for sustained production of end game items -- and one thing I want is the ability to call in orbital strikes. Of course an electrically powered radiation suit would be okay, too

This game is set up so obviously to support a set of rate-based goals

[sick heart]

some sort of small item count production goal for a tank that specialises in killing spiders and nuclear hogs would be good DLC

[grizzled lotus]

halp

[austere crag]

Changed the way of a station

Still says station is unreachable

[iron kraken]

what is better storing turbofuel in fluid buffers are just use prioority power switches

[sick heart]

delete rails before and after station and place again

[iron kraken]

drive trough it with a train

and than auto drive it

[austere crag]

Fucking trains

Still doesnt work

[azure swan]

Highly depends on what's causing the issue. Did you just build the train? It's possible it thinks it can't get to the station because of a block signal from when you built the train.

[austere crag]

I dont have any signals

Just the rails

Two freight stations and two stations

[azure swan]

Did you do what heretic suggested? The rails may not be connected.

[austere crag]

No loops or anything

[azure swan]

Send a pic to screenshots and link it.

[austere crag]

Yeah they are connected, I can manually drive on them

Wait I will try again

I FIXED IT

[azure swan]

Poggers

[austere crag]

Added another train to the other way

Like train-wagon-train

[sick heart]

is it a push pull train

[azure swan]

Oh it's push-pull? Yes the locomotives only go in one direction so you need one for each direction if your intent is push-pull.

[iron kraken]

not true

you can have train cargo train

[brisk mica]

when is the experimental build ssupposed to come to the main

[lament niche]

(Or fuel rods)

[grizzled lotus]

help me

[iron kraken]

with what

[wicked nacelle]

dunno, but it still crashes a TON for me with latest updates

[azure swan]

What about what you said conflicts with what I said? I said you need one going each direction.

[grizzled lotus]

I set up a path for my truck. the path is complete, but it doesn't long enough at one of the stations to offload anything. it just drives through

[austere crag]

Nvm it stopped working

So it could go from one station to another but not go back

[wicked nacelle]

Unless you really enjoy trucks, they're basically the most worthless thing in the game -- especially if you consider how much a PITA they are vs their long term benefit. Belts until trains is what I always say 🙂 (and of course the human station wagon works well too)

[austere crag]

Insane

[sick heart]

check your scheduling, it can be done

[slate magnet]

I just use ficsit factory carts for transporting items

[azure swan]

Your trains need to have a locomotive facing each direction and your stations need to be facing each direction as well.

[austere crag]

They have a loco for each direction

[wicked nacelle]

sometimes it helps to make a creative mode game to figure this stuff out with no stress about getting keeping factories online or exact positioning and smaller distances for making changes

[sick heart]

the stations should effectively be facing away from each other

[wicked nacelle]

facing awawy from each other and at the far ends of your push/pull rail

[austere crag]

But how the ai could drive to a station and not back from where it began?

Do I need to schedule it like station1 station2 station1?

[wicked nacelle]

because train engines only auto-drive forward

[azure swan]

Nobody will be able to do anything but guess when you haven't provided a picture.

[wicked nacelle]

no

[austere crag]

Where can I send pics

[azure swan]

#screenshots

[brisk mica]

Are there any big channges worth playing on the experimental build. Or should i just wait. Idrc if it crashes im a patient man

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533

[azure swan]

Or a thread in questions, as xaxxon points out.

[wicked nacelle]

lots of QoL improvements -- especially with rails

[azure swan]

That's highly subjective but I would give a huge YES. Blueprint autoconnect is a game changer, especially for running long runs of rail.

Built in vertical and infinite nudge is a pretty big deal too.

[austere crag]

sent to #screenshots

[iron kraken]

have you set the time table? to wait till fully loaded?

[sick heart]

currently building a massive train network and was debating waiting for 1.1 but seems like it will be months

[wicked nacelle]

need a picture from above and one of each end (or all in the same picture)

[wicked nacelle]

the ability to mouse wheel turn the rails when placing them is SOOO nice. Pretty sure that's a 1.1 thing

[austere crag]

Wait I am going to the other station now

[wicked nacelle]

the first picture didn't help AT ALL. We can't see anything that's going on from that angle

[azure swan]

Seeing both stations woul be helpful for sure. Also you want your stations on the very end, otherwise the materials won't be able to unload.

Not sure if it would fail to recognize this as a complete docking since the freight cars never lined up with the freight platforms?

[slate magnet]

excuse me did someone say stations? Like train stations?

I like train stations

[sick heart]

i believe he is actually talking about radio stations, nothing to see here

[slate magnet]

I believe you are lying to me

[near quarry]

are hard drive data options comepletely random?

[slate magnet]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

no

[near quarry]

nice

[azure swan]

Completely random within the subset of technologies you have access to.

[austere crag]

the jetpack lasts so little its annoying

[slate magnet]

yeah this is the correct answer

[slate magnet]

you need a better fuel mister

[sick heart]

insert rocket fuel

[slate magnet]

insert ionized fuel

[austere crag]

i also gotta take down my whole industry for phase 3 insane

[azure swan]

If you haven't unlocked it via MAM or Milestone you will not have it appear as an option.

[austere crag]

i dont have packaged fuel yet

[azure swan]

As the others have eluded to: different fuels will give you different boost speeds and duration of use.

[wicked nacelle]

You sure? I thought the inventory upgrades were lower chance

[near quarry]

ah alr ty

[austere crag]

yeah i saw u can change the fuel

check #screenshots yall

[azure swan]

Unclear. That may be true. There aren't very many of them and they are in a pretty darn large pool of recipes.

[wicked nacelle]

@austere crag your second picture train station is facing the wrong way - also your freight stations are on the wrong sides of it

[azure swan]

Your issue is that both of your stations are facing the same direction.

[sick heart]

also your train is called spermacar

[slate magnet]

I see nothing wrong with that

[wicked nacelle]

that's not quite sufficient, though. They need to be facing away from each other

[azure swan]

You need one facing each way and you want them on the OUTSIDE. so like
<<<[]----------[]>>>

[austere crag]

its another guy

[azure swan]

Well yeah...that's why it was "the issue"

[austere crag]

whos offline

[slate magnet]

detailed explanation here #1305983318516564170 message

[austere crag]

the one next to the refineries or to the other machines?

[azure swan]

<<< being a station and direction it's pointing and [] being a freight platform, to be clear.

[wicked nacelle]

They could be facing opposite ways and face towards each other which would be wrong

[wicked nacelle]

look at what @azure swan said

[grizzled lotus]

How do I do that? Can I change the loading time without saving the path all over again?

[wicked nacelle]

the arrow of the train station is the direction the train needs to be going when coming IN to the station

[iron kraken]

have you waited by the truck station?

[azure swan]

Both of your stations were wrong in terms of where the station was in relation to the freight platform. Only one of them was facing the wrong way. Just follow the simple directionality of <<<[][][]---------[][][]>>>

[slate magnet]

just look at the screenshots here
#1305983318516564170 message

[grizzled lotus]

I think I did or I was on it with autopilot. it just drived by right away without stopping, and it was full of materials

[iron kraken]

is there a yellow stop aroow?

[austere crag]

will do

[grizzled lotus]

I'm not sure. you mean when I'm on it? if you're asking about auto-pilot it's working. it takes a full circuit and only stop to load

[austere crag]

Ok I think it works

Now Im testing it

[grizzled lotus]

yes, I see it

[iron kraken]

adjusyt the time

[grizzled lotus]

oh, I have to click a load/unload switch

[iron kraken]

yes\

[grizzled lotus]

ok I didn't know that. hope it works now

wait, if it's set to unload, will it stop loading fuel?

[sick heart]

no - thats a seperate input

[grizzled lotus]

it's unloading the materials now! thanks for the help @iron kraken

if a storage is connected to the input of a constructor, will it only take the material required for the recipe? or will the belt get clogged?

[slate magnet]

bell will get completely full

[grizzled lotus]

example; a storage has both copper ingot and iron ingot, and it's connected to the input of a constructor for copper wire. will it only take copper wire?

[sick heart]

no it will clog

[grizzled lotus]

ok thanks

[sick heart]

sushi lines are for the devil

[slate magnet]

unless the sushi is railways. Then they are for my inspection

[wicked nacelle]

It's not possible for it to only take one type as the conveyor belts are first on first off -- it can't take stuff out of order off the belt - and belts don't have any concept of what recipe what they may be connected to has

[austere crag]

Finally I got the train running

Thanks yall

[slate magnet]

choo choo

[austere crag]

Now I gotta destroy everything and see how I set up for phase 3

[grizzled lotus]

oh man, phase 2 is finally over

[austere crag]

The manufacturer recipes scare me

[sick heart]

just make more concrete, always need more concrete