Tier UP

[runic trench]

Tier UP! 
🔼

The trophy system is getting a major upgrade, with improvements to the leaderboard experience from Tier 8 onwards!

The race to Tier 11 begins on December 1st!

Tier 11 unlocks the next level of competition, giving you a new challenge, increased rewards and more reasons to climb the leaderboards!

New Season Reset

To keep things exciting and fair:

• Players will now reset to 1,000 trophies below their final trophy count at the start of each season.
• For example, if you finish at 10,000 trophies, you’ll begin the next season at 9,000.

Improved Rewards

To make every race and victory more satisfying:

• End-of-season rewards are now more generous.
• Victory, Battle, and Free Chest rewards have all been upgraded.

Faster Progression

We've made higher tiers more accessible, while still keeping it challenging:

• Win more trophies across multiple races, so you can climb the ranks quicker.
• Reduced lobby wait times allow you to spend more time competing.
• Smarter matchmaking means higher tiers now prioritise real players over bots, making every race feel more rewarding.

[dusky girder]

This is the best upgrade 😭
(I think we really need this)

[crisp moth]

More rewards? Good i guess?

[livid night]

I only have one question, albeit maybe a little dumb: are the Challenger bot appearance rates affected in the higher tiers? I know you probably meant bots as in "oops not enough players, we need to fill in the match with a bot or two", but I'd still like to make sure.

[vernal glen]

Are there emeralds and power cards in the chests?

[drifting rapids]

Are the new season reset and improved rewards effective now?

[crisp moth]

More tracks?

[crisp moth]

Another question, will this new reset apply with next season?

[runic trench]

Everything applies from December 1st

[wild crescent]

Hmmm... could we expect Lvl20 Challenger bots for 10k trophies then?

[runic trench]

yes, we hope to introduce higher level bots

[wild crescent]

Okeeee, that sounds so fun ^^

[crisp moth]

Also, where next event

[novel quiver]

How about additional dash pads?

[vernal glen]

Huh?

[desert hearth]

This is a great idea but this is going to be a problem

Everything else look good to me

[granite root]

@runic trench An important question: what will happen to those of us who reached 6.5(og)? And we have that role, also how many trophies will be needed to get the new tier 11?

[runic trench]

unrelated to topic, move over to screenshots

[runic trench]

why do you think that?

surely less of a climb to get back up is a good thing?

[desert hearth]

Atleast reduce 2000 trophies

[runic trench]

then there is no difference to now

[desert hearth]

So we can have more challenge every season

[bronze grail]

Will there be emeralds in cheats?

And power cards

[desert hearth]

Its sounds like that at first but if everyone got 7k like last season the cap will start to change slowly

But if you wanna keep it i am not agaist that

Good changes overall

[runic trench]

okay, thanks for giving your opinion

[frozen sparrow]

I’m interested if there’s any new or returning tracks with the implementation of these new tiers as well

[bronze grail]

Are there emeralds and power cards in the season chests?

[runic trench]

there are not

[frozen sparrow]

And a balance patch would be a good way to kick this off

[frozen sparrow]

Ah man

[runic trench]

I can't confirm

[bronze grail]

Oh ok

[desert hearth]

Yeah we didnt have a balanced changes in a while

[frozen sparrow]

Yeah I think the last one was June 💀

Or July

[desert hearth]

Seeing some different characters in 8k and above with will be cool to see

[fallow jungle]

Ooooh more tiers! And the grind is easier 👀

Trophy pushing motivation has increased

[placid light]

@runic trench will we get emeralds and power cards in chests?

[desert hearth]

Yeah now we have a reason to push above 6.5k

[frozen sparrow]

Yeah don’t wanna see western characters all season again

[desert hearth]

Fr

[fallow jungle]

One thing I’m curious about is if trophy rewards got fixed so it’s more balanced (second place losing trophies while third place gains trophies for example)

[desert hearth]

I am looking forward for the next season and if they drop a balance changez it will be peak

[bronze grail]

I already asked this and she said I can’t confirm

[stiff harness]

so whats the point Prestige if you just keep climbing
1k trophies down per season isnt a lot

i think the current system works better putting everyone back 2 tiers if they got to tier 10

[fallow jungle]

It also made the grind such a slog

The change of being booted back 1k trophies now adds an incentive to keep grinding since now you aren’t grinding back to the same progress every month

[spice sonnet]

I feel like if it's only sending people back 1000 trophies, the second the season starts again people will just rush to 10000 again after like a week, and then it'll just be tiny progression for the remainder of the season.

[versed heath]

Good thing I got tier 10 before this.
Also what will the tier 11 title be called?

[spice sonnet]

The best updates are track updates imo, I know it can be a lot of work and increases the apps file size more than a new runner, but it makes the game's replayability really good.

Even the season things like the snow themed tracks during the winter

Those make the game replayable

[stiff harness]

i mention this because if you only get pushed back 1k trophies then people will just permanently stay in the highest tier all the time

[fallow jungle]

That’s kinda the point

[stiff harness]

ew

[spice sonnet]

Real

[stiff harness]

i dont want to constantly be in a sweaty competition

[spice sonnet]

Same

[fallow jungle]

Then… why bother playing???

[stiff harness]

people like casual games too

[fallow jungle]

The current system isn’t any better

[hexed lance]

I am so excited for this update! I can't wait!

[fallow jungle]

Ya know the system where level 16-20’s can get matched with newbies freshly getting to 4k

[stiff harness]

it is, gives you breathing room between seasons

[fallow jungle]

Be on the receiving end of that and it’s the exact opposite

[stiff harness]

but then those players get to the high ranks and dont bother the low ranks

[fallow jungle]

For you it’s breathing room for the not as skilled it’s just as bad as a high level player being with sweats

[runic trench]

Getting some questions about the trophy reset, here are the official reset amounts:

Season Entry - Season Reset

Tier 8 4000 - 4000

Tier 9 5000 - 4000

Tier 10 6000 - 5000

**Tier 11 **7500 - 6000

[stiff harness]

figured thats what you meant in the initial post

7.5k for tier 11

[vernal glen]

Well ain't that a big gap
Is tier 11 the new prestige?

[stiff harness]

well if earn rate is increased across the board it shouldn't be much of a problem

[hexed lance]

This Tier 11 update is probably the best thing that's going to happen! It'll finally feel more rewarding when you win!

[stiff harness]

until the level cap increases again

ring rewards for all races surely

[hexed lance]

That's probably going to be years from now, so I wouldn't worry about it

[stiff harness]

yknow i would take better matchmaking over it being faster, i dont think it currently takes too long to matchmake

[fallow jungle]

Make it we’re guaranteed 100 free marine cards that’s separate from the rare cards (half joke)

[desert hearth]

Thats not bad but 6000 to 8000 will be better bcz we already have someone with 8000 trophies

[fallow jungle]

Fr tho why is marine so rare to find??? 😭

I only have her like- level 4

[stiff harness]

they're super rare smh

[fallow jungle]

Shes virtually nonexistent

[stiff harness]

all super rares are the worst to level up

[vernal glen]

Only one person
It'd be better if 7,000 -8000 was it's own tier

[hexed lance]

Think about it, it's highly unlikely that they'll increase the Level Cap from Level 20 anytime soon

[vernal glen]

Lvl 22-

[fallow jungle]

Like- Ive only gotten her twice and those where from surprise finds. And Ive also had over a hundred missions that reward super rares and have gotten every super rare EXCEPT her

[desert hearth]

Yeah but that was with the reset point beening 4000 imagine what will happend if we start with 6000
Thats 2000 trophies more already

[rose pumice]

Especially from the negative response from the lvl 20 update

[stiff harness]

because the economy before that update didnt justify it

now we get challenger events with tons of rings

[vernal glen]

Not sure, but it's better to wait and see

[stiff harness]

who's gonna get 10k trophies first in a season place your bets

[desert hearth]

Yeah guess will see how its going to work next season i guess

[placid light]

Ok. And I really hope we get emeralds in chests

[vernal glen]

Me too

[rose pumice]

That was only for one event that was bad which was the 🆚 event and that wasn’t even meant to be the first lvl 20 event

It was most likely meant to be due to being delayed

[stiff harness]

isnt emeralds their premium currency

[placid light]

Will there be new tracks?

[vernal glen]

No

[stiff harness]

yeah sure when movie 4 happens

[novel quiver]

I would appreciate the addition of more tracks.

[stiff harness]

everyone would

i would also appreciate and spend money on a jukebox feature in game

i think at this point jukebox is a must in any sonic game

[hexed lance]

Well, anyway, I'm going to be so happy for when this new update comes out, I'm looking forward to what SEGA's got in store for us!

[stiff harness]

just in time for game awards
always bet on frontiers 2

[rose pumice]

I will say… there is such thing as Spotify

[stiff harness]

nuh uh i want it in game

[hexed lance]

Anyway, I'd love to stay and chat, but I'm going to be late for school, so I have to go, later y'all!

[rose pumice]

Fair enough

[stiff harness]

do they want money or me paying Spotify (which i wont lol get apkd)

[rose pumice]

I don’t pay for Spotify premium personally

[novel quiver]

I have paid for my iTunes Premium.

[stiff harness]

iphone moment

[fallow jungle]

I just use YouTube or Apple Music

[novel quiver]

I have subscriptions with Apple Music.

[spark quartz]

otherwordly statement

[vernal glen]

A portion of cheese 🧀

[mild garnet]

Technically yes, and no. This would mean there would be people who have extremely high trophies. We all can climb higher than 1K trophies per season. No matter how little it is above 1k trophies, it's still more than ever.

Say someone reaches 11k from now. That would be +5k. The next season they would be 10k, adding 5k again means 15k. Minus 1k then it becomes 14k. Then 19k then 18k and so on.

It's a good idea to have less grind to climb. But because it's also match making against people the same rank as you (or trophies or whatever) it's also pretty bad because now you have less people you can actually battle against. ||Yes I recognize party matches exist but that doesn't mean everyone is going to use it||

That's pretty much all I can think of right about now but I can definitely see myself seeing more flaws to this

So sorry for the text wall btw

[real marlin]

The tier 11 entry point is 7.5k and the reset point is 6k so I don’t know if that means anyone scoring 7.5k or higher would go back to 6k?

[mild garnet]

It's either that, or 6.5k

[fallow jungle]

I’d have to assume you’d get sent back to 6.5K given the announcement explicitly said you’d be sent back 1000. I’m just guessing tho so don’t take what I’m saying as a guarantee

[real marlin]

I think the season reset to 6k for all the top players would override the 1k trophy reduction otherwise like the previous person said you are gonna get players hitting silly scores but im sure it’ll be confirmed

[stiff harness]

they pinned how much a season sets you back

[real marlin]

Ah ok just re read it
So if you finish on 10k you would go back to 9k.
So you would start next season already in tier 11 🫣

[steel fractal]

This is an interesting update, I can't wait to see it

[crisp moth]

Will rings be in battle chests like in some past events?

[steel fractal]

I don't know but let's hope it will be new one

[ruby sedge]

We are gonna need far more tiers

[stone zodiac]

Ye.

[robust breach]

Doing all of this just to add 0 new tracks

[strange edge]

I’m sure this has already been asked, but will there be any changes to the prestige board as a result of this?

If seemingly the most you can check in is 1k trophies it seems like the only way you can climb it now is if someone quits

[unique hound]

I hate being in high trophy counts but it’s unavoidable if you play the game too much, being set back to 4k at the beginning of every season gave me relief from constantly dealing with stressful high end players.

Even now I’m hesitant to play so don’t I end up back in meta mayhem.

[lucid heath]

I have a response from Nollie about the Prestige leaderboard and it seems like changes are being considered.

[bright tapir]

small step forward

sadly need way more than small

[strange edge]

I’d agree it’s in dire need of an update, I’ve been coasting for like 3 years and I’m still 9th iirc just bc of how long I’ve been playing

[lucid heath]

This is why I still hope we get a casual mode someday. 🙏

[frozen sparrow]

Surely there has to be a casual play mode with this update right

[bright tapir]

nah dont keep hope that high

[unique hound]

I just want to race normal people, not sandbaggers and mini boosters.

[frozen sparrow]

If this is the new ranked system I think I would get exhausted pretty quickly since all imma see are broken characters with people trying to get higher trophies faster

[vernal glen]

Yea if you're high up you're always gonna face meta

[brisk matrix]

Since Tier Up Is Coming Knowing that Unbalanced Characters are Still around Is gonna be hard to Get More Trophies specially for New Players
There Will be Balance Changes before The Level Up Tier?

[frozen sparrow]

We don’t know yet

We pray tho

[supple imp]

when is this update?

today?

[brisk matrix]

1st december

[supple imp]

thank's bro

[calm anchor]

The update is a good starting point, but if they don’t make significant balance changes before the December season, I don’t see a future for it. We’ve been seeing the same 10 characters in every match for way too long. Over 90% of the roster is completely useless because of how unbalanced and unfair it is to compete against .

Especially MSSH, this character has been completely broken since his release more than 10 months ago. Fighting him is the most frustrating and demotivating experience the game has ever had. The fact that he still has an AoE mini boost with more than one pulse to this day is absolutely ridiculous.

[brisk pond]

This new tiers update is looking good. But the question is will prestige role be higher than 6.5k? Or the same?

[real marlin]

I’ve saw less MSSH in the last few seasons since he was nerfed a while back
I’d argue that Extreme Gear Shadow is worse

[unique hound]

They both ruin every race they’re in

[pastel linden]

This is awsome

[real lynx]

Ms Nollie I got a question for the new Tiers will there be more tracks

[pastel linden]

I love this

[real lynx]

I got a question will there be more tracks for the new Tiers cus I think there should be more Tracks for the new Tiers

[pastel linden]

I think so

[bright tapir]

she said earlier that there won't be

[pastel linden]

O my God

Why

[paper spire]

Okay, I found the channel, lol.

[real lynx]

Les gooooo

[pastel linden]

Which channel

[real lynx]

Imagine if desert falls red gate ruins tangled tunnels temple gate R red gate bay R and prymid valley R Return

[pastel linden]

I wish

[real lynx]

That would be amazing

[pastel linden]

I watched a video of it from Asause

On YouTube

[real lynx]

I hope they return for this upcoming update

[paper spire]

THIS. I for one wouldn’t mind seeing Chemical Plant and Egg Gate from the console version of Forces. The latter probably being my third favorite space level in any Sonic game, followed by Asteroid Coaster from Sonic Colors and Final Rush from Sonic Adventure 2.

[pastel linden]

I hope so or else I will tell them

[pastel linden]

Chemical plant?

[real lynx]

Same

[paper spire]

You know, the 2nd most used area in any Sonic game next to Green Hill?

[pastel linden]

What about death egg

[paper spire]

Egg Gate is close enough to Death Egg, lol. Besides, I honestly kind of want an excuse to hear this music in the game, lol.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CrfpUh100TI&pp=ygUVZWdnIGdhdGUgc29uaWMgZm9yY2Vz

[lost gale]

It doesn't take that long to get to the tryhards as is

[pastel linden]

I know it but how will it look like with the pink water

[paper spire]

I don’t think Act 2 in Generations had the pink water.

And if it did, it doesn’t appear as much as it does in Act 1.

[pastel linden]

I didn't but sonic 2 had

[paper spire]

I’m talking about the modern incarnations.

Generations, Forces, whatever stages reused its level design in Frontiers…

Anyway, I’m just saying we need more stage variety than just… “grass…” and “city.”

[pastel linden]

Ok

[paper spire]

Anyway, back to the tier discussion… Yeah, by the looks of things, hopefully this will all bring balance to the level 20 update that came out in September. Right now, it’s looking promising to me.

[paper spire]

Also, that’s not a “no…” 😏

I’ll try not to keep expectations TOO high though, lol.

[distant bolt]

I don't know if I should cry or be excited

I'm a 50 50 on this

[paper spire]

Cry for trying harder to climb the ranks, be excited for the higher rewards.

Honestly, it’s a good incentive, trying harder for greater rewards.

Feels more satisfying that way.

[frozen sparrow]

Yeah even at tier 8 we’re not completely rid of meta characters, but we see them a lot less

When these new season features come in we’ll never get a break ever. We’re gonna see day 1 maxed western characters and rival sonic etc back to back 💀💔

[fallow jungle]

At least we to keep the movie 3 track from last year :P

Tho yeah we could use more tracks

Crossworlds was the perfect excuse to add something

[vernal glen]

No

Who's spreading this misinformation

[real lynx]

Ohh 😔😭😭

[real lynx]

I really hope so

[real lynx]

Well who knows they might add more maps for the New Tiers maybe some of the old maps

[vernal glen]

No, they're not.

[real lynx]

Who knows

They might they might not

[vernal glen]

You want an example?

#💬chat message

Have a good day

[pastel linden]

Hey

[real lynx]

I literally read everything Nollie said they’ll bring back maps that are ok to come back and said what maps do we want back and replace them with so they might come back

So I’m just gonna ignore your thoughts

So Tails prower they might bring back the old maps in the next upcoming update

Check in the chat that wolf sended

[vernal glen]

Please do

[stone zodiac]

[vernal glen]

I can't ruin a child's dream

[stone zodiac]

Yes please! I need more idol shadow cards

[real lynx]

Old maps can return via major updates so there could be a chance

[stone zodiac]

Pretty much 1/100

[real lynx]

I would say 50/100

Cus this is a big update in 1st of December

[reef ruin]

I hate that change

[real lynx]

Ummm ok

[ruby knot]

nothing here was necessary except increase on the chest rewards. the game needs a big balancing patch and more rings, not more trophies to grind for.

hope the chest rewards are at least good

[ruby knot]

can we see the chest changes too or do we have to wait for that

[floral socket]

Pretty good changes, and upgrading the rewards for chests is a VERY VERY good change.

You're going in the right direction after the whole... LV.20 thing.

Not sure I can emphasize the chest changes, genuinely made smile.

[unique hound]

I hope this doesn’t doom me to only facing meta for the rest of my days.

[stone zodiac]

Same. I'm pretty much looking forward to that mostly.

[shy blaze]

Having more tiers and increased rewards sounds great, but I’m not sure how excited I am about the idea of the trophy reset being 1000 trophies lower for everyone. Couldn’t that end up making you face the same people over and over again? The way it’s designed now, at least at the start of a new season you get a short break from the meta, and it’s actually viable to use other characters. I’d really hate to see that disappear.

And I truly hope that when you say bots will appear less often in higher tiers, you’re not referring to the challenger bots. We’ve been asking for months for their appearance rate to be 100%, so we can farm challenger chests without wasting so much time having to quit matches

That being said, I think it’s a good update and a step forward after level 20, so thank you for that

[paper spire]

@runic trench, I have a question: Are the missions getting reward upgrades as well, or is it just for the chests, tiers, and leaderboard stuff?

[fallow jungle]

Ohhh that’s a good one

I didn’t even think about that

[paper spire]

Mainly I just want to know if we’ll get higher red star ring rewards than 400 maximum, lol.

[mighty vine]

I think keeping the 1k trophies per tier flow works better. Tier 11 at 7k and Tier 12 at 8k. Keeps things on even numbers.

Otherwise, no comment on the rest, will have to wait til the 1st to see how it all works in active play.

[pastel linden]

Yes

[pastel linden]

Yes according to Vs Mobile

[paper spire]

According to who?

[pastel linden]

Vs mobile on YouTube

[paper spire]

Oh yeah, him. Never mind, lol.

[pastel linden]

Do you know the next event

[robust breach]

I lwk wanted estadium as a forces track

[robust breach]

supers recap

[pastel linden]

Yh

[robust breach]

Cl hardlight keeps messing up stuff that is perfectly fine (i dont mind that they added a new tier its just they changed the matchmaking)

The level 20 cap was unwanted but they still went through with it

[paper spire]

How did they change the matchmaking?

[pastel linden]

But the rewards

[pastel linden]

Yh

I don't need it

Not enough of rings

[robust breach]

"Smarter Matchmaking" is what they said on twitter

[pastel linden]

They only increased the vault rings

[paper spire]

Eh. Give it another few months before we’ll get used to it after awhile. Heck, I’ve almost got my Chaos to level 20.

[pastel linden]

I hope is better

[pastel linden]

I almost got my tails in LV 20

[robust breach]

Im pretty sure all they did was make it so the matchmaking only puts you in people of your tier instead of skill based (This is a guess)

[paper spire]

Cool.

[paper spire]

That honestly wouldn’t be a bad idea.

[pastel linden]

I don't like it when they give me players in tier 10 when I'm in tier 9

[pastel linden]

Yh

[robust breach]

They need to fix the bonus missions though because the drops are actually laughable. Was genuienly surpised to see 5-25 for warlock infinite which is a challenger

[paper spire]

Right? That’s what I asked earlier!

[pastel linden]

Yh I sent them on the support to increase it to 10-30

[robust breach]

for bonus drops i think it should either be a fixed amount or 10-30 like regular specials

[pastel linden]

Yh I have 414

[robust breach]

Ive missed out on 6 different characters because of how stupid the rng is for the drops

[pastel linden]

Challenger should be at least 20-40

[pastel linden]

Which characters

[robust breach]

[pastel linden]

Oh no not idol shadow

[pastel linden]

They should increase the star runner to 10 runs 100

[real lynx]

Hi

[paper spire]

Hi.

[pastel linden]

Hey

[hushed escarp]

Here are my initial thoughts before the update:

I think this update adds a nice new touch to the trophy system. I do think this system is a bit more complex than the previous system. What is complex about this system is how the trophies reset at the end of each season. I think it is a bit more difficult to understand for new players. I think there should be an “info button” somewhere so that players can better understand this new system. Another thing about this update is that I am curious to find out about is how the seasonal chest prizes are going to increase. It is also funny to me how big changes are being made now to the game mechanics we had for years. (levels, tiers, new features) Takes a bit of time to adjust but I like this update overall.

[hexed lance]

I'm hyped for the Tier UP update to drop December 1st, what about y'all?

[distant bolt]

I'm mixed

[pastel linden]

Hey

Who's ready for the 11th tier on December 1st

[paper spire]

Me.

[pastel linden]

Hope you can get up to 7500 trophies in 30 days

[unique hound]

I don’t want to be stuck with the sweats.

[opaque plinth]

Victory chests upgraded? Would that by any chance include challenger chests? :)

Sucks there won't be any new tracks tho... I'd love to see one that takes place in chemical plant or maybe even one based on crossworlds or frontiers

[stone zodiac]

Maybe.

[paper spire]

You mean for this season before the new update, or just in general?

[lucid heath]

I think he means after the update drops, since tier 11 is 7.5k trophies and each season is 30 days. So you'll have 30 days to go from your current trophies at the new season to 7.5k.

[paper spire]

Ah.

[dire breach]

This will be a living hell tbh

[opaque plinth]

Oh i forgot to mention but hopefully they change the stats back to normal in the new update

It just makes it more confusing to look at

[fallow jungle]

the stats are gonna stay the same

[vernal glen]

Mhn

I still find it odd how some characters with 9 speed dropped to 85,others 96, but they say performance wasn't affected

Both had 9/6/6

[fallow jungle]

neo metal got nerf in all stats as well iirc

and none of his stats were nerfed on the initial balance change involving him

[vernal glen]

A lot of them did

But they said it didn't change anything so I guess the old ones were fake?

[fallow jungle]

No idea

[hushed escarp]

That’s probably because it used to be rounded up

The addition to the stats kinda just specified the exact number the stat was at

[mild torrent]

¡Hello @runic trench!:3(a'm sorry for Hassle)!,but My honest reaction:

[vernal glen]

How does 54 get rounded off to 6? How does 96 get rounded off to 9?

[stone zodiac]

Huh??

[vernal glen]

Darkspine's acceleration
Classic super Sonic's speed

I don't have all stats off head

[hushed escarp]

in that case, they must’ve done something wrong

but other stats mostly round up correctly.

[vernal glen]

Not all, you should go and see for yourself

[hushed escarp]

wait….so they actually screwed up all of the stats?

[vernal glen]

Depends on what screwed up means

But yes some will look...odd

[lucid heath]

Before the update
Tails: 8
Darkspine: 9
After the update
Tails: 84
Darkspine: 84

[vernal glen]

Someone gets it

[fallow jungle]

Big is still faster than sonic regardless and that STILL scares me

[dire breach]

This will be a living hell tbh

[vernal glen]

Big has always been the strongest character in the sonic universe

[paper spire]

As it should be. Big is an enigma that no one should mess with under any circumstances.

[real lynx]

Guys sadly there will be no returning tracks for this update but Nollie did mention in 2023 that she looked into the maps that are ok to come back in a future update that are desert falls sandy hills red gate ruins and tangled tunnels

So the old maps are coming back but In a future update

[vernal glen]

Who's gonna tell em 💔

[stone zodiac]

Breh.

[bright tapir]

sorry bud, but this game will more likely shut off its servers before they add good tracks again

[lucid heath]

It's probably not gonna happen at all. Just like how they said Player Banners were going to come, they silently cancelled it all together. They most likely did the same for those tracks if it hasn't happened yet after that long of a wait.

[hushed escarp]

I think it wasn’t ever confirmed they were returning. It was that those tracks could potentially return. It wasn’t ever guaranteed.

[unique hound]

They also made Silver faster than big

[ruby knot]

hilarious

hopium thread #2 is going as planned

[fallow jungle]

Tbh I can live without new race tracks

It would be nice to see some new ones but I’m able to live without

[amber heart]

why tier 11 is 1500 trophies higher

like I hope the rewards is worth it

@runic trench how does reset work with prestige points

[dire breach]

@amber heart I think this tier will be a living hell bro

[amber heart]

same it should just be 7000

[dire breach]

We already have tire 10 now 11?! Really HL

We already have tier 10 and it's more than enough

[amber heart]

with the trophy increase i think tier 11 is fine but making it 7500 is abit to much when all the other tier are 1000 from each other

[dire breach]

What are the people we going against in this new tier ohhh boy 💀 and agreed

I hate this new update stupid update like stupid HL

[mild garnet]

We're gonna be stuck with sweaty people or be stuck with the babies, pick your poison bois

[amber heart]

facts

[distant bolt]

At this point, I might just give up on going to Tier 11 since it's gonna be impossible

[mild garnet]

Oh it will be possible, just that you'll be stuck with sweats for the rest of your life.

[wild crescent]

Feel like we should all wait for the update to fully see how it plays out. Right now saying that this update is dumb and it's stupid isn't really going to help the developers or give constructive feedback.

It's better we address our concerns in better ways rather than saying that 'we're cooked.'.I understand that the recent update hasn't been in everyone's favour, but even then we have to give them time.

HL have to prepare for updates and can't really do stuff immediately. So, it's best we remain patient and less negative on these updates and not just throw insults and negative comments about this update.

We should be giving constructive feedback to helping them.

[amber heart]

my concern is they need to increase rings rewards drastically for free to play players

like 10.9m just to max 1 special is wild

they should atleast reward the amount of rings to upgrade special and challenger

[mild garnet]

My concern is that this game is cooked

[novel quiver]

Why would you say that?

[opaque plinth]

No, the stats stayed the same as before but they changed them to triple digits to "make characters more different" so it's just a visual thing. But it's a stupid and annoying thing to change.

[spark badge]

then if I stay attat5999 will i go to 4000?

[paper spire]

Yeah, that’s what I’m wondering too… I hope not.

[stone zodiac]

No u go to 4999

[lucid heath]

No, you would end up back at 4k.

[stone zodiac]

What?

I thought u would lose only 1000?

[paper spire]

Lol, don’t confuse us!

[lucid heath]

It goes 1k trophies back from the previous tier trophy.
So 5k → 4k
But if you are at 5,999 and you didn't reach tier 10, meaning you're still tier 9, you still go to 4k trophies.
All the change will do is make you go back 1 tier instead of 2. Not exactly 1k trophies.

[stone zodiac]

Oh

I see.

Thanks for correcting me.

[lucid heath]

You're welcome Wumbo.

[spark badge]

what about 4001, will I go to 3001

[fallow jungle]

Pretty sure you’d go back to 4000

As said before you start back 1 tier behind instead of 2

[wild crescent]

I believe you'll only reset to 4000 here.

[lucid heath]

No, you'll go back to 4k because it just resets you back to the beginning of the previous tier and tier resets do not go below 4k. 4k is the lowest you can be reset to.

[rigid hedge]

For this tier up, It Will change even the tracks?
I mean new tracks smth like that

[stone zodiac]

Probably not.

[wild crescent]

No new tracks have been announced, so no new tracks are coming for the update.

[rigid hedge]

Understand

[paper spire]

What about if I’m WELL past the requirement for tier 11? Say, what if by some miracle I earn 10,000 trophies. Would I go down to 9,000, or back to 7,000?

[fallow jungle]

That’s a good question-

[real marlin]

9k

[placid light]

Mssh players saying W to this new update ✨

[lucid heath]

You still go back to 6k, the previous tier.

[civic sable]

When are we going to get a recap of surge I need her so bad 🥀

[paper spire]

Yeah, me too!

[woven sage]

Hope they'll fix where you disconnect from the match and lose trophies bug

[novel quiver]

I’m attempting to earn trophies as quickly as possible, but unfortunately, I keep getting disconnected from the game and need to reload it.

[stone zodiac]

Well, 2 weeks left till Dec 1

[tall gazelle]

Can this lead to more track opportunities

[vernal glen]

Dreams...

[left hemlock]

Could you add the old tracks along with this update? It would be really cool if the old tracks came back

[runic trench]

there will be no new tracks with this update

[novel quiver]

Oh, I see, Nollie. Thank you very much. For the reminder.

[left hemlock]

Ok

[grizzled saddle]

Why don’t we see new maps or new game modes in Sonic Forces?

[paper spire]

My best guess is that designing new tracks would probably take a lot more resources compared to just new character models, which… Most of us are just here to play as our favorite characters, let’s be real, but I do understand how playing through the same tracks over and over gets boring after awhile.

[opaque plinth]

Maybe when the next big game comes out... remember, we got a track for colours ultimate

[paper spire]

Didn’t that come out before Frontiers?

[opaque plinth]

Yes

[paper spire]

Dang, I remember when Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces were the only two Sonic games on Switch… Now there’s a ton of them!

[opaque plinth]

Both are good. Mainly because of Infinite.

[paper spire]

Mania didn’t have Infinite.

[bold pagoda]

I think new max player level 19 could also make this happen

[cobalt jacinth]

Last I checked infinite is not in mania and while infinite was cool villain concept and design wise what brought the mood down was how he was written which was a main problem in forces both on characters and in story

[lucid heath]

That would just cause Free to Play players to fall behind even farther than they already do.

[bold pagoda]

Welp it’s kinda needed without higher player levels the free ad characters only got to 16k if player level 19 you can use them on level 20 with watching an ad

[bold pagoda]

Movie events are ur new tracks

[civic sable]

Yeah update they did a recap of surge ✌️

[paper spire]

Heck yeah, I saw!

[lucid heath]

It's supposed to be nothing more than a trial anyway. Level 16 is good enough for testing a character out.

[bold pagoda]

I suppose

[opaque plinth]

I think I worded that wrong. Mania is good on it's own, forces is good because of Infinite. I played both

[slender cave]

If anything I'd say Sega hl should increase player lvl to 20

[paper spire]

I mean, technically most of us would already be there from leveling up so many Challengers and Specials, lol.

Like, it’s not like we have to pay to level up any further or anything. Player level goes up naturally.

[stone zodiac]

Yk I wonder, do we need to update the game once tier up feature drops?

[lucid heath]

Maybe. If it's not already added from the last update, then yes, there'll probably be an update. I imagine a forced update since it's changing/updating the gameplay.

[paper spire]

I have a question that I forget whether or not anyone here has asked yet… Let’s say if for whatever reason going from 6,000 trophies, I tanked to 3,000 trophies. Would it jump back up to 5,000 trophies? Remind me again exactly how the new tier system is gonna work.

[real marlin]

Clearly that’s never gonna happen

[paper spire]

So… basically if I don’t want to risk going down to 4,000, I just have to stay above 6,000 in other words stop playing the game until the season is up because my playing for the most part stinks in the highest tier, lol so I can start from 5,000 next season?

[real marlin]

That’s how I understand it yeah

[bold pagoda]

We need new maps lol

[novel quiver]

Are you referring to new tracks?

[stone zodiac]

Reminder: we are one week away from December 1!

[barren bane]

Yup can’t wait for the chest buffs. Hopefully they triple the ring amount

[stone zodiac]

Same bro

[stiff harness]

probably only gonna find out in January, but lets say i got to tier 11 (7.5k trophies) and end the season below 7.5k trophies, do i get reset to 6k trophies or do i start the season at the tier equivalent of my final score minus 1.5k?

[wild crescent]

I'd assume you'd reset at 6k trophies rather than your trophy ending -1.5k

[stiff harness]

if its the same as current system then yeah me too
probably also pointless to not put you in the previous rank if you're just gonna be slightly below entering the next rank

[stone zodiac]

TOMMOROW!!

[wild crescent]

Its kinda exciting 🔥 🔥

I wanna see the rewards lol

[young storm]

How many trophies will be needed to reach this new tier?

[fallow jungle]

#1435583178122465411 message

[analog pike]

I hope the update is good and balances the game a bit for all players. If not, I'll uninstall Sonic Forces.

[merry moat]

Will it fix whatever this is? I find it unfair

[paper spire]

Or this?

[vernal glen]

Let cook 🔥

[vernal glen]

Did they cook?

[stone zodiac]

[paper spire]

Hard to tell.

[vernal glen]

I mean the extra rings are good

[paper spire]

What the heck? They didn’t even increase the red star ring reward… I was expecting at least 120.

Not gonna lie, I’m actually kind of disappointed by this update… Earning extra rings after races is nice I guess, but I was certainly expecting more from one of THE main points that was being advertised…

[amber heart]

facts

[amber heart]

more like 400 rsrs

[paper spire]

Here’s how I think the tier 11 chest rewards SHOULD look:

900 Common cards
60,000 rings (that’s the only part that was done right)
120 red star rings

And contains at least:

204 Rare cards
39 Super Rare cards

It still might not seem like a whole lot, but it’s at LEAST keeping up with the consistent amounts displayed in the lower tiers!

Also, “Champion 2?” That naming scheme just reminds me of the time the Global version of Megaman XDiVE just slapped a “2” on the end of already existing armor parts and passed them off as “new” armor parts. Like… Come on, guys…

[amber heart]

this is what tier 11 reward should be
• 100,000 rings
• 300-400 rsrs
• 800 common cards
• 400 rare cards
• 100 super rare cards
• 300 special cards
• 1000 challenger cards

[paper spire]

I have a suggestion for a new name for tier 11 instead of just “Champion 2:” How about “Conquerer.” It’s a perfect way to describe those who have reached the top of the ranks after a long, hard journey reaching that point.

[bold pagoda]

The rewards are kinda bad here in game

[fallow jungle]

So… there’s basically 0 change in the tiers and all we get is just extra ones…

Ngl this update is like the level 20 update

We did not need to wait this long for something this lackluster

[mighty vine]

A whole month of waiting and they didn't even come up with a unique name for the tier, just champion 2. :v

That's odd, but harmless, so oh well I suppose. The overall increase to ring rewards and getting them from 1st/2nd place is really nice however.

Emerald chests given their extreme rarity, really should have in them in the higher tiers(9-11). At least ranging from 200-400 as one goes higher in tier.

[vernal glen]

Champion 2
Same people that came up with cursed samurai 🥀

[fallow jungle]

Idk why we dont have tiers based off already existing titles in the sonic universe

We got ultimate mercenary, metal overlord, AND ultimate life form just to name a few

[spice sonnet]

I'm happy there's more rings now that was a great change considering the fact we need 10's of millions for max level runners

[paper spire]

True, but I think some of us were expecting a bit more than that.

[crisp moth]

I guess more rings IS something.

[stone zodiac]

They really just slapped an extra 800-1000 rings on free chest and called it a day 💀

[mighty vine]

It would've been nice if the red rings in it got bumped up to like 15 or something. 6 is still so stingy.

[crisp moth]

It helps with upgrading characters

Better than nothing methinks

[crisp moth]

they could've improve card rewards

[fallow jungle]

Woulda been nice if we got emeralds or power cards

[wise slate]

Bro why is there no special cards or challenger cards in the tier 11 chests

Bro really just increased the rings and was like yeah that's probably good

[amber heart]

that why I said that what it's supposed to be

[amber heart]

ikr no emerald or power cards in there either

they should have focus more on balancing the game and add few more chroma skins everyone been asking for

[bold pagoda]

LOL

[bold pagoda]

Everything is basically the same besides red rings and chest buffs basically tire 11 is a small twist from tire 10 mastery chest needs a ring buff

[paper spire]

Okay, I failed to look inside the other chests earlier, and yeah. The ring rewards are definitely an improvement now.

Now I’m slightly less disappointed, lol.

[opaque plinth]

I think it was a good update. It's easier to get rings outside of challenger events now. Now the only thing that needs update is the missions, because 4000 rings for the missions that take FOREVER to beat is not a very good reward. We also still need a f2p way to earn emeralds. Maybe the emerald chests can give a small amount, it would give people a reason to actually grind for them.

[opal beacon]

The update is interesting. You can get more gold rings. But I expected something more... For example, so that the victory chest (the Emerald Chest) can bring at least a few emeralds, but for some reason this is not the case.

There aren't even any missions where emeralds could be given instead of gold rings and red star rings.

[mighty vine]

Yeah, F2P needs a way to attain both Power cards and Emeralds through gameplay. Missions could definitely be a viable use for it.

Introducing a currency called Emeralds and not including a small reward drop of them in the Emerald Chest is just weird.

[paper spire]

I mean, the code for the power cards was nice, but it’s still not very beneficial in the long run.

[mighty vine]

That's why I said gameplay! Being able to earn them by playing the game and not needing to put in a code.

[opaque plinth]

Ah yes power cards. Maybe we can get more when the next progression missions come out, or maybe they can be in normal missions and chests rarely. The fact you have to spend money to get a handful of super rare/special/challenger/wild power cards is annoying.

[mighty vine]

I kinda wish progression missions cycled until then, maybe add a "new game+" kind of modifier to the rewards that ever so slightly increases with each loop done.

[bold pagoda]

They removed offer wall so they need to add better ways to get red rings they nerfed the mastery ad chest

[crisp moth]

I still think the rewards for events could be buffed

Once again

25-50 or 20-80

[serene dock]

We need mission chests to give more cards and free chests to give more red rings

It's really annoying to level up a character when you're already at level 16 and you absolutely have to pay Tails' Vault.

[paper spire]

I still think Champion 2 should be renamed to Conqueror.

[deep phoenix]

I think champion II with Roman numerals looks better

tier 10- should be called master like the master emerald

Tier 11- calling it ultimate. Like shadow as in the ultimate life-form

Sonic rumble did great with the ranking system tbh

[vernal glen]

Why not legendary?
Legends low-key better than champions yk

[deep phoenix]

Hmmm true. But since it’s SFSB I wanted to keep it… you know more sonic related

Like what sonic rumble

Instead of this gold, platinum, diamond nonsense u see in competitive online games

[shy blaze]

Could you give us both rewards when the SF shows up? Or at least let us choose the option to double the rings?

[mighty vine]

I don't mind the ad for claiming the SF, BUT having it double the rings on top of that would be very nice.

So you get both the SF and 2x Rings for that Placement Chest from watching the ad.

[amber heart]

facts

[young storm]

In my opinion, when watching an ad to double the surprise find, everything should be doubled, not just the surprise find. Do you understand?

[paper spire]

Yeah, that is mildly annoying.

Or, they could at the very least give us the option to choose between extra rings and the surprise find.

[vagrant brook]

@runic trench is there role for tier 11

[wild crescent]

There is.

[drowsy juniper]

What do you mean, 7500 trophies?

They can't reduce it to 7000 trophies, because reaching 6000 is already difficult due to the current game meta.

[paper spire]

Eh. Not really. I just now broke my record no problem.

[drowsy juniper]

You have several characters, I only have 77.

[paper spire]

True, but that’s still not bad at all.

[neon hearth]

77 is bad gng 💔 I only have 20

[drowsy juniper]

Please increase the amount of RSR so it would be worth reaching that stage

[vernal glen]

Yeah,an extra 30 wouldn't hurt

[merry moat]

Me when i lie

[brisk matrix]

The Trophies given after races Still make no sense

1st: 7 trophies
2nd: 25 trophies
3rd: -30 trophies
4rd: -2 trophies

[paper spire]

Who on Earth is losing that many trophies in 3rd place!?

[brisk matrix]

Happened to me 3 times

[paper spire]

Please tell me you have photo evidence.

[brisk matrix]

I have over 3k screenshots

Is gonna Take a while finding It

But i think i have one of a -23 in 3rd Place

[fallow jungle]

Fixed the trophy system they said

[hushed escarp]

Here are my full thoughts after the update:

I like how the prizes in battle chests contain more rings and cards at Tier 11. I also like how this update helps us reach higher trophies than the amount we would normally have. Although we now reach higher trophies which is a good thing, reaching 7,000 or even 8,000 trophies doesn’t feel that special anymore as it used to be. But like I said before, it takes time to adjust. I do think that the Tier 11 Seasonal Chest should give more prizes than just an extra 10,000 rings. Compared to every other tier’s prizes, there isn’t much of a change of the prizes between Tier 10 and Tier 11. I would add 100 more Red Star Rings for the seasonal chest and a little more Common, Rare, and Special Rare cards.

[safe thistle]

This is almost entirely down to the matchmaking

[vernal glen]

Yeah, losing to people far below you does things

[remote aspen]

@chilly gorge there seem to be a problem in sonic forces.

[spark quartz]

it is mathematically impossible for this scenario to be real because 3rd place at worst loses 21 trophies, which requires a match with 2 players (way lower than you) and 1 bot

i do not know why people still try making these up when the trophy system nowadays is so ridiculously generous

i dont get it lmao

[fallow jungle]

Orrrr

It’s entirely possible

Cause this system isn’t exactly “fixed”

[brisk matrix]

Its Possible with a low chance

The system isnt fixed at all
I Play since Early 2018 and Is just feels the same

[fallow jungle]

I haven’t really noticed much difference to the system either since it’s update

[brisk matrix]

But The difference Is that Tryhards and Metas didnt exist back Then

[spark quartz]

im gonna start by prefacing you genuinely do not know who you're talking to and it shows by the "i play since very long ago" copout lmao

that said, this system has, and always will, operate on an ELO based system, and there is a hard cap

[fallow jungle]

Ig the only difference is I’m not losing trophies in second place in the 5.5k+ range but it still happens

[spark quartz]

this is also just not true btw there have always been metas

[brisk matrix]

The First meta was

After His Nerf things went chill Until 2021

[spark quartz]

should also note this is only the case at tier 11, where there is no net gain in trophies

all other tiers have net gains to compensate, with tier 10 having +3 overall, tier 9 having +6, and so on

[spark quartz]

metal sonic was not even around until season 12 in which he was able to steal boosts

again you do not know what you're talking about

[fallow jungle]

I started around Gawain vs Excalibur sonic before teams were predetermined so I’m not gonna say much in terms of actual gains n what not. Just my only notice is I’m not getting deducted trophies for placing second

[spark quartz]

yea that's normal

still possible at your tier btw, just requires you to face players way lower than you in trophies

[fallow jungle]

The system looks/feels relatively the same

[brisk matrix]

I didnt remember in which season metal dropped but i knew he Could steal Boosts and for players was a chaos during his release

[spark quartz]

it was bumped a tidbit with the introduction of tier 11 to make getting there easier

tier 11 is the new tier 10 of before, basically

[fallow jungle]

True! Tier 6 grind was pretty easy

Tho I was using a level 10 Neo metal soooo

Might also be the reason

[spark quartz]

you should be fine until you get to tier 10 tbh

then it starts picking up if you're relatively underleveled

[fallow jungle]

I usually stop at 6k trophies unless I feel like doing otherwise or hit 6k really early in the season

[spark quartz]

though still nothing compared to tier 11

[fallow jungle]

Tho I have gotten to 6200~ish

[brisk matrix]

Tier 10 Is when Meta Chaos Starts

[spark quartz]

not so much tier 10 but more like 7000 onward yea

[brisk matrix]

Neos,MSSHs, Outlaws,Sherrifs,etc
Things get More complicated

And when you reach 8K its even worse

[spark quartz]

ive stepped back from the game shortly after tier 11's introduction tbh

the drive isnt there for me anymore

[brisk matrix]

Full meta lobbies
No Commons,Specials,Rares and Super rares on matches
Everyone uses meta most of the Time

[spark quartz]

even after level 20 my motivation was shot lmao

[brisk matrix]

Since lvl 20 Update the downfall started

[spark quartz]

but tier 11 really rendered trophies meaningless

what was a 7100 pb only a handful of people had for years on end is now common ground, which sucks

[brisk matrix]

It seems that tiers will be increased more

(probably Until Tier 15)

[spark quartz]

they probably will yea

[brisk matrix]

And with that
More Broken Characters

[spark quartz]

a vicious cycle so it is

[mighty vine]

10k trophies is now a more than realistic goal!

[amber heart]

not yet

[paper spire]

Not if you don’t try or cheat hard enough, lol.

[hybrid jewel]

Assuming i get back to 9k every season

Since you supposedly go back by 1000

[lucid heath]

No, because there's no tier above 11 to make you reset down to tier 11. Season resets push you back 1 tier, so since you're technically still tier 11, you'll go down to tier 10.

[hybrid jewel]

But the first message here states

"If you were at 10k you'd go back to 9k"

My friend argues you'll ALWAYS go back to 6k regardless

[lucid heath]

The tier system doesn't actually work that way though. I reached over 8k, which would mean I'd reset to 7k if that's actually how it worked. Instead, I went back down to 6k.

[hybrid jewel]

Saying 9k goes back to 6k

[lucid heath]

It just pushes you down 1 tier.

[hybrid jewel]

That makes no sense

Wth

So all the grinding people do to reach 8k is worthless

Kind of a dumb move

[lucid heath]

They get more Prestige points at the end of a season, but that's about it.

[hybrid jewel]

Going back 1k? Nah we're putting you back 2k!

-the game

It's worthless till we get more tiers

[shy blaze]

As someone who reached 8k last season, I prefer this system a thousand times more

If it were only 1k less after each season, I’d end up facing the same people running meta over and over again. This way there’s more character variety, at least at the start of the new season

[ruby knot]

I decided not to push this season because resetting at a tier with a bunch of player levels 15 makes early season really unfair and lots of losses.

I used to save star runner for at the start of seasons when it's less crazy but now it's crazy 24/7

[vernal glen]

Since most of the comments are already mentioned,and the other posts are dead, I'll add this here for future reference

[loud frost]

Great job 👏 👏 👏

[jade sparrow]

Tier 11 rewards should change, pointless if u keep it the same as Tier 10's rewards

[vernal glen]

Just add 50 emeralds... maybe 20 wild cards too

[jade sparrow]

Real

[amber heart]

facts some wild cards and emeralds should be added

[vernal glen]

Here's some items that are yet to be reused. Not all of them are here,or accurate,feel free to add your opinion

[lucid heath]

Seems accurate.
We don't need Chaos Blast reused though. Not unless it's reworked.

[vernal glen]

Or triple boost

[drifting rapids]

Do you mean items reused by another character

[wild crescent]

Well designed if I say so myself. Hoping s good few don't get reused.

[bright tapir]

feels so weird to start at 6k lol

[mighty vine]

I think Red Rings for Champion 2 should be buffed to 200.
Rare cards upped to a solid 250 and super rares rounded up to a solid 50.

For champion 1, just for the sake of it , rare cards up to a clean 200 and super rares to 40 please. The random numbers for the rewards is just off-putting somehow.

[amber heart]

challenger and special cards should be added also

[granite blade]

I got a QUESTION

[versed heath]

RIP Deleted Account with Nitro use

[granite blade]

Hey