Neo Metal Sonic

[twilit hare]

Cool

[clear warren]

Me maxing mephiles on release

Hey hey at least it's a great song

[south laurel]

Any song can give you a headache when you have to listen to it for three days straight.

[clear warren]

True

[south laurel]

I wish they used different music for stuff. Metal Madness has its own theme, why wasn’t that his racing music?

[clear warren]

What I'm made of it's more iconic

[south laurel]

I mean for during a race. Play WIMO in the home screen and Overlord’s battle music during the actual fight.

[clear warren]

Saving it for a future super neo perhaps?

Oh Lord

Super neo

God have mercy

[south laurel]

This is going to be movie shadow all over again.

Here’s a busted character, and here’s an even more busted version of that same character.

Super forms need a complete overhaul

The “win button“ method isn’t a fun one

[clear warren]

I still insist if they really wanted to make him busted give neo metal overlord form and leave him nuke the track

[limber ibex]

Im 2k away from max but I dont know if I got enough time to get there and yeah the upgrade is mid

[limber ibex]

Just awfully designed characters

[clear warren]

You guys purchased a 2x vault

Or 3x

?

[south laurel]

3x. One of the benefits of having a job is the tiny bit of disposable income I get to blow on stupid mobile games…

I could’ve spent my week playing Helldivers. But no. I did this.

[clear warren]

I think with a x2 I can leave him in a nice ,level 14

I think I will do that

[south laurel]

He wants to lag behind anyway to smuggle his boost. Upgrading him might actually be a bad call.

[clear warren]

My disposable income it's for Honkai star rail

💀

[granite sable]

The disposable income’s about to 🥀 to the fate collab

[warm mirage]

Man we REALLY need a toggle for character-exclusive music. I love Neo, but between him and Riders Sonic my gameplay is going to be nothing but What I'm Made Of and Metal City

Granted I prefer both songs to anything Forces has to offer but not on infinite repeat

[limber ibex]

3x with around 4k RSR

[clear warren]

I think I will stick with a 2x

I don't see the point if the last mine upgrade it's lackluster

I will grind a lot on a rerun tho

[limber ibex]

Thats fair

[clear warren]

Also anyone happens to know how long takes the last chance vault to appear?

2 weeks?

[limber ibex]

I dont think last time vaults are gauranteed to appear

[clear warren]

[limber ibex]

Im not sure

🤷‍♂️

[cosmic sigil]

Man give me Sand Ruins or Live and Learn on the Movie Supers

[mortal jolt]

**Neo Metal Sonic **
 
Items:
 
Voltaic Discharge
I'd say it's a relatively solid item, it doesn't travel insane distance or has high speed (or at least I haven't noticed that). The only tweak I'd do is make it stop when Neo is hurt.
 
**Thunder Drive **
The item of all time. It really needs the invincibility removed and the pulses reduced to 3 or 4.
 
Tri Bolt
His weakest item by far. Although I don't think it needs major changes, maybe increase the damage a little?
 
 
Is the character fun to play? If not, what would make him more fun?
I would lie if I said I'm not enjoying playing as him but, honestly, I find his kit to be kinda uninspired. If there was a Metal that should've stolen items the most, it was Neo. His boost definitely should've been the goopy liquid form akin to Mephiles' boost. I'm sure there was enough material to come with a kit more faithful to his character. I'm really, really happy he's finally in the game, but I can't help but feel more could've been done with him.

Miscellaneous
Apparently, his theme still plays in races without the Challenger bot and, honestly, it's going to get annoying very quickly. I think there should be a toggle for that. I also was hoping he'd have an unique entrance animation (maybe starting as Eggman and shapeshifting into Neo). Lastly, I think his jump animation is bugged, as there's a weird purple circle in it that doesn't fit with the model at all.

[novel zinc]

EXACTLY, I HAD TO DO AT LEAST 10 RACES JUST TO WIN 1ST PLACE

[fading kindle]

only level 10 clearly he's not your goat

[stuck peak]

Rings are a problem

🥀

[limber ibex]

Was it worth it? No
Is it cool? Yes

[clear warren]

For real, what happened to the special entrances

Even metal sonic transforming into neo with lightning would be cool

[vestal slate]

I wish they would start bringing in voiclines

[wanton rune]

Congrats!! 🎊 I didn’t have the same luck lol, but congrats man for that hard work

[limber ibex]

Thanks, you've done some great progress aswell, especially for a player level 11!

[wanton rune]

I make the lvl 11 while upgrading neo lol

The account was new

[limber ibex]

Nice

[vestal slate]

Made it to 10 ftp, hopefully he’s better balanced when he next comes around for leveling so I don’t feel horrible for using him.

[drifting pebble]

That'd be sick, now I'm sad this isn't a thing lol

[ocean bramble]

def needs some nerfs especilly withe the boost and laser honestly. the mine attack is good as is

[gritty olive]

Okay this character need a straight up nerf and some changes

Voltaic Discharge: Reduce duration, make it only attack once

Thunder Drive: Reduce duration but increase the speed. REMOVE INVINCIBILITY

Tri Bolt: no issue.

[zealous thunder]

MSSh 2.0-

[sleek zinc]

Period

This game needs a break from characters with electric abilites too. We alrdy have

[gentle fractal]

Barriers are pretty useless against NMS. Every time I use one he just blasts right through it.

[sleek zinc]

Same with Movie Super Shadow's Chaos Blast. They didn't even bother saying it's a bug with Neo Metal Sonic unlike with MSSH.

[humble halo]

Nerf the boost aoe hit range the range is way to big

[sleek zinc]

I think it's bugged. It looks Thunder Drive isn't supposed to hit u, but lo and behold. U still get electrocuted.

I just think that's a visual bug.

[dim shore]

**Neo Metal Sonic **
 
Items:
 
Voltaic Discharge
 
What I like: I like the visuals and how it works. The attack is fun to play with.
 
What I would change /improve: I would remove the mini boost in case Super Neo ever gets added. Besides, this character had no reason to have a mini boost, he doesn't need it. Increase the damage if the mini boost is removed. This attack also has the shield breaking bug.
 
**Thunder Drive **
 
What I like: I like the visuals and I like the speed of the boost.
 
What I would change/ improve: Range on the AOE of the boost needs decreased since there are times where it's hitting two lanes on each side and becomes completely unavoidable. The shield bug needs fixed too.
 
Tri Bolt
 
What I like: It being a three lane auto mine is interesting.
 
What I would change/ improve: The attack when spawning it is bugged where it doesn't spawn correctly when aiming from a position that isn't first. Sometimes the attack is spawning behind the player it's supposed to target.
 
 
Is the character fun to play? If not, what would make him more fun?
 Neo is fun to play as, but not against. Neo is making this game unfun for those not playing him as he has become the only good character in the game with his bugs and overpowered boost.
Extra notes: Please add this rework to both Movie Shadow and Movie Super Shadow as it will balance them while also keeping the Challengers must be strong idea. 🙏
#📱screenshots message

[muted sun]

Ikr most if not all Knuckles skins are so underperforming.☹️ Series Knuckles and Karate Knuckles are some of my favorite skins in the game and they just don't hold up at all against the other runners its sad and I really really want to use them!

[wanton rune]

Use MK

[fading kindle]

facts

[azure drift]

Dread

[crystal linden]

**Neo Metal Sonic **
 
Items:
 
Voltaic Discharge
 
What I like: I like the visuals and how it works. The attack is a good range.
 
What I would change /improve: I would remove the mini boost in case Super Neo ever gets added in the future (as mentioned in another post 😐). However, to make up for the removal of the mini boost, increase the damage. This attack also seems to have a bug that it hits before the shield breaking invulnerability activates.
 
**Thunder Drive **
 
What I like: I like the speed of the boost.
 
What I would change/ improve: The amount of blasts from the boost needs decreased since I feel 5 or 6 blasts during a boost (currently at Level 6) feels a bit much especially since duration lasts 6 seconds. Maybe have either 3 or 4 blasts. It's a bit more manageable and can still feel like a decent challenge for those facing a Neo main especially since all future upgrades past the first are damage increases. Think of the blast pattern as this during the 6 second duration (1 pause 2 pause 3 4) the last 2 blasts so close to each other then feels like a good finisher to the boost for a challenger character. The shield bug needs to be fixed too.
 
Tri Bolt
 
What I like: It being a multi lane trap.
 
What I would change/ improve:
Maybe increase the damage? It feels weaker than a Zap Trap/Storm Cloud.
 
Is the character fun to play? If not, what would make him more fun?
 Definitely Fun to play, I've been waiting for Neo Metal Sonic ever since the concept of Challenger was introduced.

[broken lynx]

can we not write for ourselves lmao

im sure the rest of the textwall is stolen from someone else in some way shape or form

[untold vault]

Remove mini boost in Voltaic Discharge

[limber ibex]

Doesn’t need it

Like seriously he doesn’t need it

[fading kindle]

facts he doesn't need the mini boost if it last so long and you can move across all lane just to hit someone

[limber ibex]

They have a few options they can do
A: Remove the miniboost
B: Nerf the miniboost speed and reduce the range of it
(Also fix the god damn shield piercing, you guys really lied telling us you fixed the shield piercing of Chaos Blast but didn't)

And im pretty sure everyone believes the boost needs its duration nerfed and invincibility just removed

[fading kindle]

yes

[limber ibex]

If they remove the miniboost, nerf the boost itself then maybe they could buff his mine a little bit since its really goofy how it works

and its hitbox takes seconds before it even really appears so people just end up walking throught it when it appears literally infront of them

[fading kindle]

the mine need to be fix or just make it a normal placing mine, than a target mine

[limber ibex]

yeah, the automine feature it has is pretty weird

Oh yeah I made a max Neo gameplay vid if anybody care
#⏺videos message

[dusky warren]

he isn’t broken enough. make it so that voltaic charge’s mini boost reaches the end of the stage, thunder drive goes so fast that it crashes the game for 72 hours and tri bolt orders 10 dominos pizzas to hardlight headquarters for every use

[rancid juniper]

He's the definition of a sandbagger

[sleek zinc]

Definitely have been a lot more of those in the past...

Nothing necessarily new to Neo Metal.

[wanton rune]

A wise man learns from his mistakes
But a fool...

[limber ibex]

Previous issues that have been resolved will become current day problems

Because those previous issues is what makes them money even though it makes the game worse everytime

[woven crown]

Maybe they just don't know how to deal with them cuz all of the competent devs were layed off

[limber ibex]

They are doing this on purpose lol, when they say that they don’t have no devs to balance the game it’s just an excuse for the masses so they can keep introducing absolutely cancer characters to the game, the devs understand the game well, they know exactly what is good and bad for a character, ofc there are oversights sometimes (characters being extremely weak or just useless like Chrono and Lamorak) but for meta characters they know very well they are going overboard.

Meta characters are what make the most money, that and just hype characters like Supers, that’s why they are recapped so much.

[wanton rune]

Well...
They know how powerful surge was
Chaos blast
Bass rush
And how that BB bot is hated for mine spam

I don't think you need that many brain cells to see what they were going with

[fickle kayak]

Me personally: I think this guy needs a nerf of some kind, 2 out of 3 of his attacks will make players hit by neo always lose their items, the annoying part? They are spamable because neo is decently fast and could get a item before you do. And the fact that when he does his rush, it makes him invisible, and if your 3 lanes away from him, you can get shocked and lose your items regardless if you try to jump as neo passes you and get as far away as possible...then again just my opinion, but I bet alot of people can agree that they find it annoying when they are going against a Nero metal sonic, lose their items half the time neo gets an item...especially if your trying to avoid getting shocked when the neo targets you as they blast through with a dash

[limber ibex]

Remove miniboost and remove invincibility and lower duration

He’s way too easy to sandbag with

One of the most mismanaged games of the century

[fading kindle]

all they have to do

[limber ibex]

He will still be a strong character for the projectile having large range

If they wanna go the more annoying route then just lower the range of his projectile, lower the miniboost and make his upgrades increase the range so level 12 is basically how it is rn

Not sure why they didn’t do that

[fading kindle]

nope

[limber ibex]

They wont bother

[blissful sable]

Nerf pls

[mint stone]

Reduce the boost of neo metal sonic

[coral pike]

What pisses me off the most about Neo Metal Sonic in this game, is that the meta bait works every single time.

They know that he’s been a heavily requested character for years on end, and so in response to that they are going to create the most obscure moveset for him, making him so unbelievably broken that all you’re going to see in races is him alone, and you are literally powerless against him even with your own decently leveled characters. This would force a majority of people to put money into this character for the sole purpose of not being able to win a race at all or consistently if you’re not using him. Yes people love Neo Metal Sonic and would buy the vault regardless, but this character and several others in the past feels like you are absolutely forced to purchase something to even stand a chance at consistency. Game is not free to play friendly at all, obviously you can just not purchase things to boycott but the vast majority are going to purchase something, and because of that, there will be even more broken hyped characters in the future. Neo is not the end of the chaos, it will always get worse in some shape or form.

What bothers me the most about Neo too is that there is no real incentive to level him up high. The same way he plays at max level you can achieve by getting him to level 2, his upgrade path is pretty lazy and nothing substantial since he’s already at full power at level 2. Im tired of being in this state of the game where a low level character is better than majority of if not all characters at max level, like what is the point of even maxing out characters anymore besides if you like them, it’s really disappointing that the game is in this state, it feels like a giant flick-off towards the playerbase.

Balance your game.

[limber ibex]

Literally the truth

[wanton rune]

Damn...
Well we already know who's gonna be the overshadowed meta

Just like blossom

[limber ibex]

Yeeeeep

The powercreep is insane, they literally made Sherrif just a better Ninja Espio

[uneven crag]

Where are you seeing footage of him??

[limber ibex]

There was some gameplay of people going up against Asauce who has him

Don’t really have the footage with me but his lasso is just Ninja Espio’s with a miniboost tacked on, basically the same thing they did to Neo.

And his mine is the lock trap that Detective Vector has, he is literally a better Ninja Espio, it’s safe to say his boost will also probably be atleast decent.

[uneven crag]

Dang

[limber ibex]

Power creep at its finest

We’ve had DSS vs DFS and now it’s Ninja vs Sheriff

[dim shore]

Here's the video of GeofelJen racing against Sheriff.
#📱screenshots message

[uneven crag]

Oh my God.

🪦 🥀

[limber ibex]

Worse than I thought

[granite sable]

I can already imagine…
You’re in the lead, about to hit the dash pad and win.
Then suddenly Sheriff’s final boost gate hits you shortly after a small sound cue.

And it’s not a small hit.

[limber ibex]

I already prophecies nerfs

I bet Outlaw will probably be a balanced character

[pale bear]

idk how HL do it, they manage to release a more broken character than MSSH. I truly thought it can't get any worse than a "mini boosting" super. But they managed to do it.

[open epoch]

No

[limber ibex]

Not even gonna lie but Neo is one of the most skill-less character to ever touch the game, miniboost and a broken boost thats invincible and AOE, what more do you need, the mines are also auto appearing infront of people

At that point the game is literally playing itself for you

The character is definitely the thing pulling the wins for you, not the skill.

[dull gorge]

Sooooooooooo

We haven’t nerfed him yet

[dull gorge]

Exactly

And to think they would still release a more broken character than this in the future

Back when dragons got released, someone said this is were the limit is, that a character can’t be worse than this

Lmao, anyways, look were we are rn

MSSH, vhs, Neo

[limber ibex]

Yep....

It seems like the new meta is shield piercing moves

[dull gorge]

Yes, miniboost, shield piercing and invincibility

[limber ibex]

I wonder what'll be the next meta

[dull gorge]

Oh, they gave Neo all three, including AOE 🙂‍↔️

[limber ibex]

Next there'll be characters that just start with items already or all their moves give speed/aoe damage

[dull gorge]

Lmao, it’s possible ngl

[limber ibex]

Btw they still haven't removed the critical hit damage of electric moves

[dull gorge]

Yea, it’s probably staying

I wished for interesting items in this game, but I wish the game can go back to the old days of generic items, like mines, normal boosts and normal projectile

Tired of electric items everywhere

Can’t even sandbag in peace no more

[cerulean fern]

Pls give me neo metal sonic

[dreamy jackal]

Just wait intill Neo super metal sonic or wait intill nms recap

[meager bronze]

I'm afraid the Gen 3 meta is now beginning

[obsidian ether]

We love speed shoes going super fast

[broken lynx]

Hey guys so do we have the data necessary to give him a nerf yet or is there a holdup until another very broken new character outdoes him 😅😅

Would just love to know if data serves any relevant purpose or if this season is gonna be the same wasteland that the last one was

[fading kindle]

have to wait until the end of this month so they collect enuff data to put into there next characters

[grim sleet]

I MISSED IT

[limber ibex]

“Data” of what makes him cancer so they can replicate it for the next meta characfer

[meager bronze]

The world if HL made a balance patch every new season

[limber ibex]

Balance patch every month would do wonders for the game, if it impacted a lot of characters it would help too

Like older characters actually becoming good again and stuff

[cerulean fern]

PLS sega, give me neo merak sonic

My Name sonic forces:master

[limber ibex]

💀

[cerulean fern]

Pls sega give me neo metal sonic

My Name:master

Pls

My Name sonic forces:master

[opal magnet]

[sleek zinc]

That... that's not even remotely the point of the channel

[cerulean fern]

Which channel do you mean?

[zealous thunder]

Movie Knuckles:

[muted sun]

Yeah he's really nice, I wish Series Knuckles was as strong as him

[sleek zinc]

At this point requesting new characters is just going to divide the community more if they're like Neo.
Just add the player banners.

[muted sun]

Yeah you're right they should make the player banners. I would also love new tracks for this game, Hardlight has created some really cool levels like Scrambled Shores, Ego City, and Nightmare Maze and I would love if they created tracks based on Sonic Dream Team for Forces Speed Battle.

I don't know how'd they do Dream Factory though it's a very dense level so it'd be kind of difficult to cram a track in there with all the turns and stuff.

I really wish Sega would let Hardlight promote they're own works inside of they're other games it would be so cool!

[sharp patrol]

Nerf him

Kill him

Show neo what you're made of

[modest silo]

Best start in nerfing him would be taking out the invincibility on his damn boost

[autumn nimbus]

Agree
And I know this isn't his thread, but when are you going to properly nerf ? That thing has been completely broken for over six months

[fading kindle]

facts like the 3rd pulse of chaos blast need to go and make it not shredded shields

[glossy peak]

We already know that for HL to intentionally release meta characters isn't a coincidence. It's not common for them to decide to make the same mistake over and over again (lately, we've seen characters with miniboosts that are too fast since those characters' release[ ].

If they delete my message, It's because they want to cover up the truth

[spice mauve]

This isnt top Secret enough to get deleted bro

[dull gorge]

🙂‍↔️😂🙏.

[steep quest]

You got lucky there in the beginning right after you activated the super.

Idk what happens but every time I do it my MSS slows down even If I don't get hit

[modest silo]

I have a better idea

Make it so that his chaos blast slows him down

turn him into Darkspine²

[sleek zinc]

That's how he's supposed to be. Chaos Blast requires him to slow down (at least in this game) or stay stationary to release that massive amount of energy.
Mini-boosting just isn't accurate.

[wanton rune]

So hammer slam?

[sleek zinc]

Ok maybe a mini boost like that.

[modest silo]

Nah just slowdwon

[uneven crag]

At least EGS was properly nerfed

[gray mauve]

The fact that mssh is still somewhat broken after 6 MONTHS is infuriating to me

[autumn nimbus]

Fr

[pale bear]

give neo the egs treatment 😂

[wanton rune]

Ayo and about that electric impulse,they can do something about it with the changes
Lvl 0: 3.5 secs, impulse covers one lane only
Lvl 2: 3.7 seconds,one lane
Lvl 8: 4.0 secs,one lane
Lvl 14: 4.0 seconds,width increased
They can keep the progressive increase in damage too,and this will minimize the amount of spammy users plus reward people who spend money to max them
They can do the same with chaos blast as well

And every other AoE attack that's a nuisance

Heck they can even lock the range with upgrades,and the miniboost...
Now this looks more intentional

[fading kindle]

boost like this should be max at 3-3.5 sec

[wanton rune]

I think 4 seconds with that speed is okay, that is if they removed the miniboost

[fading kindle]

maybe

[potent forum]

they need to get rid of the duration of the thunder drive boost for NMS

[dull gorge]

They need to nerf so many things for him to be a normal balanced character

[fading kindle]

honestly not a lot remove mini boost from his attack then remove invincibility from the boost then nerf the duration alot

[dull gorge]

Yea, then fix the double hit stuff

[modest silo]

Remove invincibility

[coral pike]

Nerf this guy deep below the ground

[mortal jolt]

I think I found a weird bug that makes Voltaic Discharge stay active during the whole match

[cosmic sigil]

We knew but don't know how to replicate it

[mortal jolt]

It was in a lobby full of neos and someone else also had it

[dim shore]

It's just a visual error. Doesn't do damage or give mini boost.

[simple trellis]

poopy char

[late owl]

This game is hell while this loathsome copy exists
Stupid character

[limber basalt]

Nerf him

And fix the glitch where shields don't save you from the attack

[ruby wraith]

Atp I'm starting to think it's not a glitch bc it happened with MSSH too and is still in the game to this fay

*day

[obsidian ibex]

7 months of shields being useless 🎉 🥳

[dim shore]

It's not a feature. It's just been a bug for several months. They hopefully have a fix this time.
#✅forces-known-issues message

[unkempt knot]

This character needs a buff (just kidding)🗣️

[sleek zinc]

I still think it was intended to be a feature, but is now addressed as a bug due to backlash.

[obsidian ibex]

yeah they did confirm that it was done intentionally like this

[sleek zinc]

Figured. When exactly did they confirm it?

[obsidian ibex]

over 3 months ago

or well... almost exactly 3 months ago

[sleek zinc]

Ah

[dim shore]

I didn't know it was originally intended. That's crazy. First time I heard about the shield breaking, it was called a bug.

[obsidian ibex]

I keep tabs

But yeah they didn’t make it very well known that it was designed this way lol. Probably why it’s taking so long to undo it, not a simple bug

[radiant valley]

What sucks about it is that they released him with that bug, knowing about it from

And it's crazy they showed how broken Thunder Drive is in the official showcase video of all things

[sleek zinc]

Yep. No effort to delay him despite knowing abt it too. Yet Valiant Tails' event got delayed for an unknown reason.

[fading kindle]

bro I didn't even notice that it literally cover all 4 lanes

[coral pike]

Fair and balanced 🙏🏽

Lmao so you literally can’t avoid it unless you hit a wall cool

Or you somehow get lucky and he passes by you when the pulse isn’t active

[obsidian ibex]

yeah they confirmed it's actually 5 lanes wide, lol

the user, and then 2 lanes in both directions. It covers all 4 if they're in a middle lane

[radiant valley]

Players confirmed it or Hardlight?

[obsidian ibex]

#📱screenshots message

[sleek zinc]

Even 6 huh..

Mystic Jungle rlly is screwed isn't it?

[coral pike]

How did this even pass testing

[obsidian ibex]

same way the "damage through shields" happened, intentional feature but they will roll it back because it's too overpowered

Hopefully that balance patch & bug fix update reels this stuff in a lot because it's been rather exhausting

[simple trellis]

reminds me when they also tried justifying mssh starting with 55 rings because he's a challenger, yet bb didn't despite being one lmao

[sleek zinc]

Wait that was on purpose?

[wanton rune]

They thought making shields useless was an incredible feature the players would enjoy??
At this point these engineers have confirmed they never touch this game

[wanton rune]

"Make sure you download the game to get this incredible free win character 😄" type of advert

[fading kindle]

nice work hardlight I just love not being able to play the game

[wanton rune]

They're only nerfing and buffing this time
Changing the width is a rework

[wanton rune]

Max getting cooked by lvl 4..damn

[meager bronze]

Holy they all wanted to sandbag right at the beginning

[fading kindle]

facts the game is just unbelievable unfun

[digital forge]

I'm hardstuck 4k cuz of neo bro help 😭

[granite sable]

What character are you using on the era of Neo?

[digital forge]

rotating around challengers and specials

[gray mauve]

I hope this character gets a nerf so big it makes him unplayable

Hate going against him

[obsidian ibex]

everyone hates him, nobody asked for this

nobody wants you to go and copy and paste the most game ruining features plaguing the game for 6 months onto new characters

[wanton rune]

Bro this character needs a nerf bro

The electric power of this is op

I ain’t getting passed elite

[obsidian ibex]

the mini boost needs to be removed, the boost needs to be reduced significantly in duration, and the pulses need to stop hitting through shields.

The projectile needs to stop hitting through shields, too

[wanton rune]

Ikr the boost does smh damage

[obsidian ibex]

there's so many bugs on this guy that we already knew about, yet they just copy and paste them all on him

MSSH and Ninja Espio had these exact bugs. They knew.

[wanton rune]

If your last, neo gate keeps you from passing

[obsidian ibex]

and EGSh with the trail

[wanton rune]

I wouldn’t say it’s as bad as MSSH

[obsidian ibex]

neo is worse than MSSH to deal with imo

[wanton rune]

Which lobbies are u in

Elite?

[obsidian ibex]

at least MSSH was gated behind level 12, this guy is game ruining at level 2

everyone can go ruin your match now

[wanton rune]

True the mini boost is op

[obsidian ibex]

I'm at 5.4k

[wanton rune]

Honestly is it a money grab?

Publish, nerf, fall off?

I mean

[obsidian ibex]

people say this is the pattern but then I would say, what about lamorak and sinbad?

they were pitifully weak, guaranteed not a money grab there

so who knows lol

[wanton rune]

Most likely tho

If you remember extreme gear prime

Gear*

[obsidian ibex]

with Neo, probably was intentionally overdone yeah

[granite sable]

We have player level 10-12 hitting 6k trophies last season with neo even pre-level 10

Mssh couldn’t do that

[wanton rune]

The main thing I hate is the mini boost

[obsidian ibex]

that needs to be removed, he doesn't need a mini boost. Especially not with the longest, fastest invincible AOE boost

[wanton rune]

lol fr it last like 2 seconds

[floral edge]

Can we please LOCK IN and stop with the sonic movie marathons? 😭

[wanton rune]

I can’t with the neo metal sonic. Making me wanna quit this game lol. I’ve never lost this much😭😭

[simple trellis]

don't worry, they're gonna do this again more times in the future, it's been a cycle already :)

[dim shore]

This next one is the last for now until the 4th movie happens. Paramount were the ones who told Hardlight to do so many recaps. Wasn't really Hardlight's choice.

[solemn nexus]

cant wait for the nerf

[floral edge]

Oh dang, mb gng

[radiant valley]

Oh but can they actually add Series Knuckles this time?

[dim shore]

I wish they would honestly 😭
I want him higher than level 9 🙏

[radiant valley]

I want him unlocked.

[dim shore]

Oh

Well hopefully one day you can unlock him 🙏

[radiant valley]

Me too, pal, me too

[limber ibex]

The nerfs are good but I still think the levels can be changed around

It’s pretty pitiful that every upgrade after the first few are just damage

Would have been better to have his first duration upgrade be the last one and then have his projectile increase in range with every upgrade

Also he does not need Invincibility/AOE on his boost, one of those things have got to go

[dull gorge]

His invincibility needs to be removed next 😃

Also he can still break through shields

[coral pike]

Ok so he doesn’t have max level potential at level 2 anymore, that’s a good start. He has a decent upgrade path now. But the problem still remains where his items can pierce shields and wreck you in 1 hit. Next the invincibility from the boost gotta go, and hopefully the range from the projectile can be heavily decreased as well.

[mild pasture]

The nerf to him is a little fine, but except for the boost 😦

[wanton rune]

I think invincibility is the only problem now.
And the shield piercing
And the 5 lane width
Otherwise he's sorta okay

Thanks for hurrying the patch regardless,at least it wasn't as dominant as movie super shadow was

[simple trellis]

doesnt his miniboost also not stop even if you hit him?

[dim shore]

The mini boost stops. The projectile does not. He doesn't gain a mini boost for the entire duration of the projectile.

[simple trellis]

so he can still stop people from passing him even if they get him 🥀

[limber ibex]

Yeah, MSSh has the same issue where the item still works even after getting damaged??

[dim shore]

Yes and no.
Yes it can still work after being hit, but, it's only when he's hit at the start of Chaos Blast since it has activation delay. You can cancel it, just hit him a little bit after it's activated. Like around the full first pulse. Neo has the same activation delay on his boost, though the boost can't be cancelled at all due to the activation delay as well as being invincible when the delay is over.
Neo's projectile however is apparently coded to just not end until the full duration is over.

[limber ibex]

Very weird

[fading kindle]

remove the mini boost from the projectile completely if he gets super form in the future ganna be hell

[fading kindle]

while invincibility can be interrupted during the activation

[coral pike]

It took this long to get his base form, his super form is very unlikely

But yeah I’d like for them to remove the miniboost completely too

[fading kindle]

said this when surge got a alt in less than a year

[dapper rivet]

The invincibility still has to go

[kindred dragon]

This is still open?

[fading kindle]

honestly getting to problem characters this early is a step in the right direction

[coral pike]

Oh damn ur right

Now I’m on my knees praying that doesn’t happen

[weary galleon]

I think I speak for the community when I say thunder-drive has an issue where it is able to break your shield and attack you afterwards even though the shield is supposed to protect you from it.

Also devs pls remove the mini boost from the long range attack NMS it feels like he has no downside and he doesn’t need it

[cobalt canopy]

I find it odd, they usually close the channels after new character is released

[coral pike]

The channel still being open is a W cuz it gives us more time to list everything we need fixed with this character

Keep it coming y’all

[fading kindle]

facts remove the mini boost from his projectile and invincibility from the boost bad he will be good -- neon metal sonic

then we can address chaos blast make smaller AOE and only 2 pulse

so upgrade would be

unlock 1 pulse single lane

level 6 upgrade 2 pulse single lane

level 12 upgrade would be AOE

[limber ibex]

I'd like if his projectile miniboost and range got better each level

so level 12 is how the projectile is at this current moment in time

[fading kindle]

this got mssh

[weary galleon]

Why tho I don’t understand why a character with the longest range attack need a mini boost on top of it just simply remove it.

[limber ibex]

Read the message right under it, though idealy I would like his miniboost be removed entirely but they really missed out on making his projectile become better in range each upgrade, like a level 5 Neo can basically accomplish the same thing a level 16 can and I can attest to that since I own and use a Max level Neo.

[fading kindle]

true they did the same for knuckles this update why give low level chance of 2 lock it behind level 12 so ppl have to upgrade the character

[limber ibex]

Yup

[obsidian ibex]

They don't seem to care or prioritize the upgrade path anymore, it's been like 5 characters with the same exact problem

upgrades that do functionally nothing to improve the character, thus no reason to upgrade

[fading kindle]

facts

[limber ibex]

Exactly, they just want everyone to be using the newest meta and as quick as possible regardless of upgrades. And actually doing upgrade paths takes effort and time to do, changing numbers slightly doesn't. Its why I don't think we're ever gonna get a character with upgrade paths similar to Infinite ever again. They were genuinely cooking with his upgrades and him as a character, having basically everything change somewhat besides just "damage increase" or "duration increase" like his projectile actually becoming larger or his mine actually doubling up at max level.

[obsidian ibex]

It all fell completely apart when they utterly failed with the Sinbad upgrade path. Rip tide upgrades only extend how long it lasts on the track, not even affecting the effect itself.

they must've either not known what to do or allowed perhaps the worst idea to be shipped out, either way it created such a bad upgrade path

[limber ibex]

Its also the fact how they just slightly change the numbers, like most of the upgrades they do for items are literally pitiful or do nothing.

💔

[coral pike]

Sad part he wasn’t even the first character to introduce that mechanic
Think it started all the way back with pyromancer and her trap 💀

I think they’re the only 2 with that weird upgrade

[obsidian ibex]

Yikes. I didn't realize she had that upgrade path too, that's awful

It just screams to me a lack of ingame understanding if they think we're even concerned with trap duration on the tracks.

there's very few traps that even need to be considered that way, like trail traps with multiple droppings...

[wanton rune]

Bro the nerf isn’t even good

Still kinda
Op

Might Aswell QUIT until they fully fix it

[coral pike]

Now they got people who leveled them up questioning if their traps are even gonna last long enough on the track for them to be as effective as an average trap

[limber ibex]

Boost is still lacks 0 brain with invincibility, very long.

the projectile got a good nerf

[broken lynx]

lol wait why do some upgrades involve track duration at all

that's such a meaningless thing

[coral pike]

Wrd

[obsidian ibex]

yep

[obsidian ether]

But we have to make the people that are way behind feel sad

Don’t you want to make the people that are way behind feel sad????

[limber ibex]

HL and their innovative ideas

[radiant valley]

Another thing: they're probably never gonna fix/adjust this, but if gets hit while using Voltage Discharge or Thunder Drive, it doesn't cancel out the attack/boost

[obsidian ether]

Well, you can’t hit him during thunder drive, other than the startup. And yeah, it should cancel it if it does hit him, but someone at HL or Sega really likes making bad decisions for the game.

[pale bear]

that startup should be a bit longer to allow people to stop it, if they are planning to keep it invincible. At least give up a way to stop it

[obsidian ibex]

if invincible, then it should only deal single lane damage

I'm not loving this AOE on a long invincible boost

[warm salmon]

Coming soon... Sonic vs Neo Metal Sonic or Super Sonic vs Neo Metal Sonic

[sleek zinc]

Well he never fought him in his Super form so I guess base Sonic

[fading kindle]

voltage discharge still need the mini boost removed

didn't even said it give boost in the items description

[topaz flume]

The mini boost doesn't seem that good anymore

[obsidian ibex]

maybe not with the characters you use. Go try and catch up to it with santa big or sinbad, it's nearly impossible

or any of the other bottom 80

remove the mini boost, and on MSSH too

[fading kindle]

or make it work like hammer slam where they slow down during the start up

[coral pike]

This would fit well tbh

Slowing down to charge up the powerful beam

Maybe just have it slow you down without the speed boost after like darkspine

Same should be done with Chaos Blast

More characters should have a slowdown mechanic

[gray mauve]

Im honestly surprised they gave neo balance changes this early (even though he’s still somewhat broken as he was on release)

Usually takes them 1 to 2 months before they “nerf” meta characters

[fading kindle]

facts

[limber ibex]

DSS was ahead of his time

Honestly all that Neo needs is his miniboost removed, invincibility removed and then just buff his mine so it’s a little better

And he’d be a perfect characfer

[sleek zinc]

Now that I think about it. Should be similar to Thorn Rose's Hammer Slam? Slow down for a brief second then boost forward?
I feel like that would suffice. For me anyway.

That is if he doesn't get the DSS treatment.

[sleek zinc]

This is still open?

[cobalt canopy]

For 25 days

[obsidian ibex]

his projectile doesn't need to zap the moment someone touches the trail

[autumn fog]

why is this still opened

[sharp patrol]

Idk but on the other hand chuck needs a buff

[coral pike]

Nerf the extreme gears.

[uneven crag]

Revert the buff

[pale bear]

revert all the buffs and include more nerfs to mssh, neo and sheriff

[fading kindle]

why did they even buff wall of cards when ppl wanted it nerf

like hardlight doesn't listen to the community at all

[pale bear]

no they dont and they continuously flip us all with every update

[limber ibex]

Brain-dead

[dim shore]

They aren't reverting the Extreme Gears
They'll get nerfed a little at best
#📱screenshots message

[hushed wolf]

MSSH does not need a nerf, bro is perfect the way he is

[pale bear]

Okay if you say so

[spice mauve]

MSSH does not need a nerf, bro is perfect the way he is

[pale bear]

You know who needs a nerf, INFINTE

and probably Grim too

[spice mauve]

Ye

[pale bear]

those CW are too strong

[spice mauve]

They should revert the eboost buff ye

Made omega too viable

[pale bear]

That is the problem, people will say MSSH is fine and beg for Infinte nerf. wth

[limber ibex]

🤖

[pale bear]

sup

[limber ibex]

Yo how you doing

[pale bear]

chill as usual and u?

[limber ibex]

same

[elfin hemlock]

Cash grap lol . They only destroy their game by making buffs like this

Why its still open 💀

[warped charm]

What's new is announcing balance changes just to overbuff event characters and "sell more vaults" regardless of how detrimental it is to an already quite unbalanced and unfun game?

[elfin hemlock]

Lol all they want is money

Thats why i never paid

[elfin hemlock]

And above that The broken runners that makes people just quite specially the ridders currently

[sleek zinc]

Srsly.. whatever has been said for this character has been said a lot alrdy.
There's no reason for this to be left open.

[uneven crag]

Srsly?

Like...no cap? Ong?

[sleek zinc]

Hi

[humble halo]

At this point we should have closed this since Neo Metal already got the nerf that this character deserved

[novel zinc]

My hot take: don't revert the buff, he needed it

[sleek zinc]

How is that a hot take?

[wide shell]

This channel should be closed

[limber ibex]

waht

[dim shore]

I think they're talking about the Slipstream buffs.

[limber ibex]

Yeah never let this guy cook again

EGS and EGSH were both in a good balanced place, maybe EGSH's turbine could be changed a little since its extremely situational and just useless on a majority of maps but thats it

and we already saw how broken EGS was on release

[fading kindle]

facts

like the game is just mini boost or nothing

[elfin hemlock]

Repatetive mistakes as usual until the game became boring and dead