Movie Super Shadow

[fathom helm]

Every game is like this😭😭

[safe acorn]

the most unskilled super in the game currently

[hardy aurora]

Wow.. https://www.vxreddit.com/r/speedbattles/s/ONagCvNpe0

[prisma gazelle]

How much cards do you need to max out Super Shadow?

[fringe hedge]

21k

[prisma gazelle]

Thank you

[carmine hinge]

I love movie super shadow :] make more characters like this Hard light ❤️

[pine rock]

Tbh they need to nerf him, he 2 op

[carmine hinge]

Nerf is coming to speed of chaos blast damage of chaos blast

[pine rock]

Ye

[pulsar pine]

They're after me…

[tiny heath]

: Every step you take I'm only getting closer

[jaunty shadow]

: My Mission Is Let Everyone Give Up For My Team Win 😈
Me: 😫😭💔, I Gave Up

[desert trout]

What do they be
Thinking making these unbalanced characters

I’m tired of raging on this game

[spring cove]

Even GOOGLE knows...

[gilded arch]

they're completely aware of what they did and intentionally let this character in knowing what it would do to the game

this is no accident

[devout grotto]

Bru, I don't think the mods make the characters or are involved in that stuff, they just moderate the servers

[rigid crow]

Yea not discord mods lol

Modders of SFSB

[devout grotto]

Ohhhh

[wicked raven]

||Delete MSSH.||

[devout grotto]

Yes

His whole moveset just needs a nerf

I'm talking Chrono Silver lvl or Drummer Cream

[rigid crow]

Nah, that will be trash 💀

We want him nerfed not useless

[wicked raven]

||I want him deleted. 🌚||

[lost bloom]

After playing as Movie Super Shadow and against him, I dare to say he's one of the most broken characters released by far. This is not a character that requires much skill to pull wins. It's just about grabbing and spamming Chaos Blast first and the most. I'm an average player that has fought hard to try to get 6.5k and I just cruised to it from 6.1k to 6.5k in about 2 hours. He is highly unbalanced and it becomes more of an issue with higher levels.

Chaos Blast - A mini boost with 3 lane AoE that hits like an E-Mine. That burst of speed is too fast and lasts too long. At higher lvs (lv18 - Lv12) it's equivalent, and even better, than most boosts in the game. This mini boost effect doesn't make him feel like a Super, but rather a buffed Tangle or Surge. This also adds on to the issue others have trying to keep up with their own boosts. Many of the other boosts aren't even bad, it's just Chaos Blast is overtuned. The AoE damage it does is also too much. You can't avoid getting hit or the massive damage it does. All of this combined makes it quite easy to pull away from the others and keep the lead without the need to use your Super Form. Or, if you're unlucky enough to be stuck in the back, an endless cycle of getting hit with the attack and getting nowhere fast.

• Personally, I think the mini boosting effect should be removed completely since it's just not how Supers are meant to be played and gives them an unfair advantage (lead to collect rings and Super Form) that others simply can't compete with. And if not a removal, the speed and duration need to be reduced so he isn't just a mini booster on steroids. The damage and size of the AoE should also be reduced. A Super with so many advantages shouldn't really hit this hard. This could also still allow him to defend himself without being so broken.
  Another note: Shields and Invincibility are being broken through, though I suspect this might be unintentional and can be looked into.

Super Form - General Super boost. Can be used earlier and more often because he has more starting rings:
20 at lv1
25 at lv3
30 at lv5
35 at lv7
40 at lv9
45 at lv11
50 at lv13
55 at lv15.

• Not much to change other than the starting rings.

This makes him feel like when Supers were first released and makes double boosting very easy; too easy at higher lvs. Reducing them to be around Burning Blaze's (45 at lv15) would feel more balanced. Or, even at every other Super's (40 at lv15) if the mini boost effect is going to stay.

Falling Flames - Like Movie Shadow's Meteor Crash but doesn't remove an item. Just like it though, it hits way too hard and is so unpredictable that using it is actually more of a risk than reward since it's just as likely to fall right on you as it is anyone else. Sometimes this also happens without any visual.

• This trap should have some sort of marker so we can see where it's going to fall. Not just as opponents, but as the user too. Something similar to Pyromancer Blaze's Seeking Flame or Eggman's Balkiry might help. It's so unpredictable and buggy that most Movie Shadow and Super Movie Shadow users don't use it because of the risk of getting struck by their own trap.

All of that said, the idea of actually giving Supers something different is an interesting idea, but this is very unbalanced. Supers in general don't feel like they're in a terrible spot since their last buff, but Movie Super Shadow is better in every way possible. And not just against other Supers, but the entire roster of racers.

[timid locust]

Instead of the meteors being around shadow, why not just have them target players in front and drop meteors in front of them.
2 or 3 per player.

[hardy aurora]

No need to go super

[vital niche]

This character needs an emergency ban but no way is that happening

[soft verge]

Bashosen & HedgeMaze seem to be pretty decent counters so far

[versed plume]

There is nothing that can counter this character

[tiny heath]

Rouge-

[desert trout]

Got a point but she’s a rare

[alpine spear]

Not even rouge if your good enough at dodging

[chrome mantle]

You could have gone super at the start

[minor tinsel]

Maybe silenced attack so you can provide them to use the miniboost

[jaunty shadow]

Get close,chaos blast

[tiny heath]

I think the ones that might counter him are Band characters

[spring folio]

@tiny heath @minor tinsel none of these would work if the person using him had a little bit of skill. He is to overpowered and this is a serious issue with hardlight that they need to stop doing. This is not fine and HL has no excuse for making this abomination of a character.

[south pawn]

Lack of character balancing especially to new character I think they’re don’t try the cahacters

[gilded arch]

i thought by modders he meant devs, idk

haven't seen people mod this game besides for cheating, so i assume he was talking about developers

[opal tendon]

Alr dude, I’m starting to become so sick of MSSH users and the character in general.
The ridiculous lack of balancing makes it so annoying to play even a single game with him in it. It’s not fun at all and just rage-inducing throughout the majority of races that I’ve played with at least ONE MSSH in it. I cannot stress this enough, but PLEASE HL, BALANCE THE DARN CHARACTER.

Like, it should not be so bad to the point where most of them win by simply spamming the first move.

And especially on tracks where you get double items early on? Pure chaos and a build up of unbridled rage

The amount of times I’ve seen players winning without using their super because of how busted the first move is just baffles me; I’d like to actually play a race where I don’t have to worry about being absolutely bodied within the first few seconds, almost completely guaranteeing me a multitude of losses every time

I literally dropped from 6.1K to 5.3K at multiple points throughout the day just because of him.
And I know I ain’t the only one who’s being torn apart because of this

This, obviously, is in no way meant to undermine how you all operate when it comes to character development, but I just wanted to sort of get my opinion out there about something that has become another big issue (to add to the short, but nothing less of frustrating) among the “busted lineup” of characters that we’ve recently had before the (not always) necessary fixes

[fringe hedge]

the characters is bust and they aren't ganna d anything about it anytime soon sadly

mini boost on a super characters is the worst idea possible

[opal tendon]

To be fair, the idea IS unique, but the way they carried it out was not the best…

[opal tendon]

Hopefully that changes soon.

I may just keep my distance from the game until then, since instead of a CHARACTER being unplayable, the GAME ITSELF is that way

[remote cape]

Easily top 5 most broken characters in this game's history

[rigid crow]

Yea probably, not mods for the server tho, that’s wat I was replying to

[south pawn]

Speak of the devil this proves the point

[opaque glade]

Oo I forgot to talk here!!

Why is this the only super with a different kit to their regular version?????

Hmm 🤔

Why did this super start with 55 rings

Hmm 🤔

Why does this super have a miniboost

Hmm 🤔

Why has his event been going on for so long

Hmm 🤔

He’ll be nerfed soon

Just like extreme gear sonic and Valhalla surge and the other busted characters that came out

Release a broken character, milk it’s event, then nerf it. Repeat.

6.5k lost its value probably before I even started playing, and NOW 7k has lost most of its value too

I can see why the global champion role was removed now…

Thanks HL

[mortal wind]

glad i didn't ruin the monologue

so, it's not the year of shadow no more. Why making such character and not give us ANOTHER MK BOT CHANCE

[tawny scaffold]

once more people catch on to what they're doing this game will end up like sonic runners losing revenue

even people who want to abuse the meta will stop once they realize they just nerf them after they made a buck off them

[opaque glade]

Yeah 100%

[cloud raptor]

nerf

[rigid crow]

This meta is dumb honestly, if u don’t have a high lvl MSSH, u are better off using another character and that won’t make a difference

I hope they nerf this hideous character to the ground

[safe acorn]

jesus christ

time to wait 2 months until they nerf this character

[cinder shale]

I need to write an email to HL at this point. I'm tired of this.

You've got a sad life if you use MSSH. And that's not even debatable. You know how much of a failure you are with that busted character. Peace out.

[carmine hinge]

Be careful don't forget at the end of the day it's just a game. Don't take it so serious

[cinder shale]

When you've invested financially in a game, frustrating experiences like busted characters can evoke strong emotions, making it difficult to dismiss the issue as 'just a game'. Roll your boat and don't add to it

[carmine hinge]

My point still stands. Don't forget there are far more important stuff than another broken character.

[quaint palm]

From playing against him.
I have two major things that need to be nerfed.

1. His Chaos Blast move. If it hits you while you have a shield. You might as well not have one as it will break it, then immediately hit straight after. If that’s the case, remove the boost.
2. Give some sort of indication for the meteor move. There’s times where you’ll just get sniped and have no time to reaction. (Basically landing right on top of you with no warning)

If you wanna beat him.
You either need to get extremely far infront, out range of his moves OR spam him with item locks or removers (Such as Mephiles).

You have very little chance if right next to him as his moves are stupidly busted.

[alpine spear]

I would love a super that plays uniquely but this aint it

[alpine spear]

or the character Ive paid for and played the most having a very noticeable bug persistent in every match. you know alongside being invalidated by Movie Super Shadow

[jaunty shadow]

📢 📢 📢

[vocal fossil]

Ngl movie super shadow only becomes a problem once he’s level 8 or higher but otherwise you can manage against him

[timid locust]

Needs more megaphones 📣

[light lagoon]

Ok 💅

[gilded arch]

love when people use non-arguments like "it's just a game" when people are using a discussion channel to discuss the character

then there's also this 🤦‍♂️

[tawdry basin]

I can’t believe everyone here arguing that meteor crash needs a nerf. Yes- it hits hard. If you can even use the blasted thing with how random it is. As far as I’m concerned, it’s as worthless as normal Movie Shadow’s own meteors. It’s so inconsistent and erratic that it doesn’t matter how hard it hits. If I can’t consistently use it to hit my opponents with how random it is, is it a good weapon in the end? No. Not at all.

[rigid crow]

I hope his 3 items gets nerfed to the ground, from his chaos blast to his meteor crash 🗿

Yea and his starting rings too,

[tawdry basin]

Meteor crash is worthless as is right now, so there’s literally no point in needing it.

[rigid crow]

Depends on the nerf he would have

I hope they are removing the miniboost

We don’t want speed reduced

This character made the game so unplayable,

[tawdry basin]

Chaos Blast’s speed boost is all that needs nerfed because without that speed boost, MSSh becomes the most worthless super in the game.

[rigid crow]

I hope he does

[tawdry basin]

It’s also why I hesitate to say he needs a ring nerf. The lack of a projectile to destroy badnicks already hurt normal SSh enough compared to the other supers. MSSh will have it even worse once chaos speed gets nerfed since chaos blast is all he has to rely on.

[rigid crow]

If the speed is still in Chaos blast, he would still be good

[tawdry basin]

Keep dreaming. Infinite was in a worse state when he launched, but he is still viable dash not withstanding.

[rigid crow]

When maxed*

[tawdry basin]

The problem is that people want both nerds to happen at the same time. A ring reduce and speed reduced.

[rigid crow]

Yes, is that a bad thing?

[tawdry basin]

Infinite is still powerful when not level 16. He is just not broken.

[rigid crow]

Why should a super have 55 starting rings

[rigid crow]

Not really

He’s just good

[tawdry basin]

Because he has no projectiles to destroy badniks like most other supers. It’s why SSh was by far and large the worst super until Silver.

[tawdry basin]

That’s what I’ve been saying. Powerful but not stupid broken.

[rigid crow]

Well it’s on HL then, they made him this way, but this way is so broken and it’s either he’s good or bad

I don’t see any inbetween

Maybe reduce is rings to 45 like bb

55 is too much

[tawdry basin]

They could always swap chaos blast for an actual projectile instead. Then he can take the ring nerf. It also wouldn’t be the first time someone had a kit change.

[rigid crow]

Yea possible, but doubt, he already as different projectile from his base form

[tawdry basin]

Heck, it needed to be a chaos spear that travels along the track and not the Eggman rocket wannabe that normal movie Shadow got.

[tawdry basin]

No- that’s not a real projectile. It’s a poor man’s Eggman rocket.

[rigid crow]

Fair

Anyways, we all just want him nerfed so he wont be a problem anymore

[tawdry basin]

I say this since that’s when he actually uses chaos spear in the movie, but for some reason normal movie Shadow got a crummy version of it. Seriously- why did they make it a terrible version of Eggman’s rockets? It does more damage sure, but it doesn’t matter since it travels to opponents so much slower.

[rigid crow]

Yea I think they did that cause they didn’t wanna do a copy of warrior shadows chaos blade, or whatever the name his

[tawdry basin]

And I do to, but he’s stuck between a rock and a hard place. However, a nerf to meteor crash is just flat out unnecessary.

[rigid crow]

I’m guessing

[tawdry basin]

A crummy reasoning when you look at lord knows how many characters in the game.

[rigid crow]

Yup, I hope that’s not the reason, cause so many characters have projectiles that goes forward and hit things

[tawdry basin]

Heck, they have been doing something like chaos spear as an actual badnik projectile as soon as Lancelot’s release.

[rigid crow]

They can leave it, then they remove his chaos blast speed

Hehe 🙃

[tawdry basin]

I did see somewhere in this thread that they complained that a meteor landed on top of them and that they had no time to react to it.
You know how that happened? Luck. It was just bad luck on your end whoever you are.

[gilded arch]

the meteor becomes an issue when the person's connection that used it is not that good, so it ends up hitting almost instantly

[tawdry basin]

That’s still luck based unlike Mephiles’s stalking shade

[gilded arch]

stalking shade suffers the same thing though

oni mephiles' thunder too, though both mephiles attacks are already normally extremely quick

[tawdry basin]

Stalking shade is worse though since Mephiles can get you from anywhere on the track unlike MSSh’s meteor crash. And can be launched at you in spades of 2 or even 3.
Meanwhile, MSSh can still run into his own meteors like normal movie Shadow, which is extremely likely to happen in higher plays with chaos abound and meteors landing to the side of obstacles you’re trying to dodge. Especially if you’re using Chaos Blast while the meteor storm is occurring.

And Stalking Shade used to be near unavoidable even with stable connections because of how the hitbox came in before the actual model did.

And again, it’s still luck based if the meteors hit you to begin with. At that point, it’s a case of you had back luck with the RNG spawning a meteor on you, which is a 1 in 4 shot most of the time. If it misses, odds are you are probably outrunning the rest of the spawning meteors at that point.

[frozen wagon]

Go! Go! Movie Super Shadow!

[wicked raven]

[chrome mantle]

Bruh

Why do they force us on team

I wanted to be on shadow at the start of the event

[minor tinsel]

because it makes it balanced

if there's 70% on movie shadow and 30% on movie sonic, shadow obv win

[alpine spear]

In that case why do the event like that at all

[vocal fossil]

Does it really even matter?

The winner is already pre decided anyways

Hell I don’t even think it actually matters if we played

[minor tinsel]

it does, you can clearly see how much movie shadow is winning just bc he's op

a lot of people are using him

[vocal fossil]

He only has a 2 million point difference

Which is the point difference in literally every vs event since they became pre decided

If what we did actually mattered the point difference would be way bigger

[chrome mantle]

Base sonic is crazy

[frozen wagon]

Go! Go! Movie Super Shadow!

[jaunty shadow]

💔😫

[rigid crow]

When are they nerfing him 🗿

[mortal wind]

wait 6 months

[rigid crow]

Nah, impossible

[fathom helm]

Ngl atlest hyper sonic in SFSB wil be good

[alpine spear]

What really defeats the point is you can play one characters team as the opposite character so what are we really competing against?

[jaunty shadow]

Bad Bye Shadow

[devout grotto]

Does anyone know the schedule yet?

[rigid crow]

Nope

[devout grotto]

:/

[turbid hatch]

Yall know next Movie super shadow event.. I dint unlocked him damn

[vocal fossil]

Not for another 2 years

[turbid hatch]

Wait really?

[vocal fossil]

Yeah

Cause sonic 4 doesn’t drop till 2027 so you most likely won’t see him return until then

[turbid hatch]

Dawg.. What the is unique?

[vocal fossil]

I mean they are movie exclusive event characters

While I wish they could run them via bonus missions like the prime skins it’s unlikely

[turbid hatch]

I mean Yes

[frozen wagon]

The Team Movie Super Shadow won!

[mortal wind]

i wonder why

[restive oracle]

Nerf starter rings to Burning Blaze hers

nerf chaos blast to sir percival's laevatein lunge, fix the hitbox (i've experienced times where it covers up all 4 lines) and let bubble shields block it.

For the meteors, less damage and a cool down

And please add a warning on the line where the next meteor falls like for example eggman's rockets.

Then i'd be completely fine with him

Or just remove the whole boost from chaos blast. A super was never supposed to have a 'mini' boost

[mortal wind]

is*

[restive oracle]

It's actually a whole boost it self depending on the lv clearly unfair you can't catch up

[fringe hedge]

why is chaos blast faster than flaming aura, invincibility boost, wind boost and ice boost like it doesn't make sense when are y'all ganna nerf this characters

[carmine hinge]

Chaos blast should be a good miniboost not a dash as many have said an I agree. Also chaos blast should not hit three or two times per pulse but should hit once. Besides that he is balanced.

[shy iris]

It was still a really slow minboost compared to pre nerf mini boosters

But the duration is absolutely busted💀

[carmine hinge]

Cut mini boost duration by 20% reduce hits to one per pulse.

[jaunty shadow]

Nerf super shadow movie pls his metor makes me very slow

[minor tinsel]

Everyone wants a nerf

[mortal wind]

meteors are nothing compared to chaos blast but yea

[fringe hedge]

chaos blast shouldn't be a mini boost period no super should have a mini boost infact

[jaunty shadow]

And Chaos Blast Can Hurt Us When We Using Default Shield

[carmine hinge]

Welp that's not the way the designed him. Due to him not having a way to reliable hit any one they designed Chaos blast to be a miniboost. I am fine with that you should be fine with that to. But the true problem in its current form it's just a straight up dash it shouldn't be this we must balance the item reasonably so Super movie shadow doesn't become useless

[fringe hedge]

they should have just designed chaos spear to be a actually projectile that everyone wanted simple

[carmine hinge]

Yeah but they didn't so now we gotta suggest balance for chaos blast.

[rocky veldt]

It needs a heavy nerf on chaos blast, no super should have a mini boost in my opinion it defies the point of the super boost .

Given he has a higher ring count of the any super and a mini boost that does heavy damage and gives a lot speed compared to other mini boosters , he’s an insult to both mini boosters and supers alike , anyone can win him with mini boost alone without any effort and it doesn’t matter the lvl I have seen lower lvls beat higher lvls because they boost blasted first .

The mini boost needs a damage and speed nerf or should have a cooldown timer like .

Shield problem needs to be fixed with him as well and maybe reduce the ring count to have a the same amount as .

Another option should be removing the mini boost thing entirely . Might upset a lot of ppl but other supers never relayed on a mini boost to win battles.

Either way is getting nerfed but It’s definitely going to be a long while since and are unaltered.

I would be fine if HL at least fixes the shield issue at least I feel that issue was accidental due to lack of testing.

[main oak]

I miss when the game wasnt like this constantly. What a depressing plan they have for it lately. They tease the new Amy and Blaze skins and make them hyped, but then leave this super shadow totally unbalanced and unfair to play against. Great, I cant wait to suffer. Thats what this game has become due to this neglect

[vague edge]

Pls nerf him he is no skill and with the abilities breaks the game

[gilded arch]

by the time he's nerfed, the next broken character will already be released and powercreep even him

[main oak]

If he even gets nerfed. I doubt it to be honest, they just keep changing the shop offers and testing our patience. I feel punished for being a longtime player who invested in many characters over the years, all feel useless against even just low level characters they create lately. It just doesn't feel like these are mistakes anymore, this is the game now

like I'm a zazz main trying to compete against a 10 speed mini boosting super who can hit through shields, obviously this is pretty much a "Why am I even playing" moment for me

[rigid crow]

Zazz main

Damn

[main oak]

the new normal:

hit by a truck while shielding, because why not

[rigid crow]

How are u even using Zazz

Respect

What about punk Zazz

[gusty current]

Absolutely love Shadow ignoring the shield

[main oak]

im not anymore, I quit

when the game is like this you just can't play

funny mini boost hits through a shield while he speeds off faster than my actual boost, ha ha so cool nice joke hardlight

I can tolerate the game normally with the balance issues because it never was this bad. This is a new level of terrible that I don't feel prepared to deal with

[main oak]

I main him too, hes good but I need more cards

I have zazz almost maxed so he starts off faster than the shadows, his only perk lol

[rigid crow]

Nice, I love him

I can’t wait to max him

Gathering the 15 cards from surprise finds 💀

[main oak]

yep that's what is getting me some power ups for him, it'll be a while before I can get lvl 8 when I think he gets pretty good

[turbid hatch]

After this Events there must be an Rapid Recap or something..

[bold sigil]

whoever thought this character was a good idea needs a genuine re-evaluation of their sanity..

the fact that they can even drop rocks on you with no time to react is crazy

[fringe hedge]

all his items hit has hard as Emine

[bold sigil]

your joking !

[fringe hedge]

you can't even pass them even hit you hit them they just active chaos blast

[fringe hedge]

nope

[bold sigil]

WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA ????

[fringe hedge]

the chaos blast hit so hard he can hit you and then transform and he haven't even pass him yet

[bold sigil]

@echo cedar

bro

this is unbelievable

[echo cedar]

Yeeeaah they weren't thinking at all with this one

[lilac gull]

Oh they were thinking, but definitely not in the players

[bold sigil]

Clearly, and because they retconned any non-hedgehog super, there will not be a day where i get to use the emeralds again either

Woulda been fun

[fringe hedge]

man i hate ppl that think because they win a few match vs mssh they think he has counterplay like are you good

[burnt herald]

Movie super shadow has full on taken any joy you could get from playing

[river mauve]

tbh the best way to make them annoyed is using rouge

[bold sigil]

im genuinely starting to hit walls to make sure i tear their eyes out with dragonclaw before i take off

wait, am i the wrong tier

hol up

@stone thunder

ty

[stone thunder]

Mb

[river mauve]

i love ur pfp and i've been doing the same

[bold sigil]

oh, thank you lol, it was a comm from a friend of mine

if you check my banner you'll see a different outfit

[river mauve]

tell them i love their art! its great 🙂

[bold sigil]

i have many artists as friends due to my hands having a lack of talent lmao

if their up i'll tell em you like their art

[rocky veldt]

Probably just needs to be fired ngl

[bold sigil]

Mayhaps

[fluid bolt]

Despite negative universal reaction to this character there hasn't been a statement saying balance changes for him are gonna be in the works.

He was %100 intended to be busted like this unless proven otherwise

[deep reef]

Chaos Blast is being used as a mini boost, by a character with a Super Form boost. It is a very effective mini boost, too effective, it reminds me of Dark Blast when Werehog first dropped.

I would recommend nerfing the capacity to use Chaos Blast as an effective mini boost, this is the only real issue. It does break the Meta to have a Super with an additional boost item, they were supposed to be Glass Canons.

Basically, just nerf the mini boost of Chaos Blast, everything else about him is fine. He's supposed to be very powerful, but I have noticed people rage quitting because he is currently too powerful.

[minor tinsel]

Nerf the starting rings also. 55 rings at max is too much

Burning Blaze has 45 at max and it's unfair

[rocky veldt]

I’m guessing this was so HL could rake in more money if was broken + with the movie hype at the time

[bold sigil]

At the expense of the playerbase that is

[deep reef]

That would affect all Supers. I can only go as far as nerfing the Mini Boost. I need to maintain a critical criticism, I don't want to work the devs too hard.

Please, HardLight, if there is nothing else done about Movie Super Shadow, at least nerf the capacity to use Chaos Blast as a Mini Boost.

Truly I say unto thee, Movie Super Shadow can get an early lead (similar to my Idol Shadow Strats) but continues that early lead with an AOE + Mini Boost, on top of having a Super Form.

Nerf Chaos Blast Mini Boost

[jaunty shadow]

And He Can Hurt Us With Double Damage In Single Chaos Blast, Nerf To Single Damage

[rigid crow]

What do u mean affect all supers?

What does nerfing the 55 starting rings have to do with the rest?

His starting rings is obviously too high

[deep reef]

It would also affect Burning Blaze. She is also a Super and a Challenger. It would not be fair to nerf his rings alone. All I suggest is nerfing the mini boost that is caused by Chaos Blast.

Movie Super Shadow is supposed to be the very best Super. My only issue is how easy it is for him to get an early lead with Chaos Blast and even push ahead further with a Super Form Boost.

People aren't even caring about damaging other players with Chaos Blast, they only abuse it as a Mini Boost, no matter how far ahead they are. Honestly, they don't even need to use the Super Form at least half of the time.

[rigid crow]

No, nerf his starting rings to 45, simple

[rigid crow]

And why should he be the best super 💀

You are a shadow fan right

I can see

[carmine hinge]

He is the ultimate life form that's why

[bold sigil]

So your saying it makes sense for him to be objectively stronger than every other super, and even though your saying to just nerf the mini boost on chaos blast, even though he can smash through all shield types ?

Pretty sure even valhalla surge isnt safe and they get 3 shields in one

[wraith matrix]

How do you get like characters that cost 500 or 300 that takes a long time and I only have a bit of red coins it’s hard for me since I’m pretty new im on veteran rank and idk how to get anything good WITHOUT money

[carmine hinge]

This is the way.

[rigid crow]

Yea he’s a shadow fan that’s why

Huge bias right there

[rigid crow]

Lol

[desert trout]

Lmao

Idc buff ice slicer jet

Nerf MSSH

BUFF ICE SLICER JET

[river mauve]

you have to get all 4 mission refreshes daily for the special characters and spend 5 rsr to refresh them (a total of 8 missions daily) to get the special character to level 6

[jaunty shadow]

nerf vote

[deep reef]

I've developed games myself. I know HardLight isn't going to just gut Movie Super Shadow right after releasing him, no matter how many people complain. They would lose customers who wouldn't bother buying the Vault or RSR because they would fear the characters wouldn't be the same mere weeks later.

I would stop buying the Vault and any other purchases if Movie Super Shadow was going to be changed so radically. I would no longer trust the Developers to be honest when they release new characters. That's the real issue, it's not just me being a Shadow Fanboy.

[rigid crow]

Well EGS was nerfed to the ground

And I hope Movie super shadow gets the same treatment

Period

[deep reef]

Yes, maybe he should get the same treatment. But let's not do it all in one day. Infinite got nerfed at least 3 separate times. It may take that long to balance Movie Super Shadow.

[rigid crow]

We have over 100 characters in the game, but only one is viable , it makes no sense

[rigid crow]

Tbh it depends on the changes

Majority of people here will agree with me that we want him balanced right the first try

Just like EGS

[deep reef]

Nerfing the Speed Boost given by Chaos Blast should be the main priority. That's what is being abused more than anything.

[rigid crow]

Yes, I would also say the boost should be removed from the blast

No super should be a minibooster

Or the speed should be really small like EGS 👍👍

We are tired of these meta characters they keep adding, making the game unplayable for some months then nerf, then bring a new meta char, the cycle continues

Yea and nerf his starting rings to 45 also

[deep reef]

That would affect Burning Blaze, or it wouldn't be fair.

[rigid crow]

It won’t affect burning blaze, she already has 45 too

How does it affect her 💀

[deep reef]

Oh, she does?

[rigid crow]

I ask this question again

[rigid crow]

Yes

[minor tinsel]

Yes , that's why i said before that burning blaze has 45 and movie super shadow has 55

[bold sigil]

Ngl twister your point is kinda falling here

[stone thunder]

Nerf this mini boost to the ground he should not be this fast at a SUPER also make it not aoe and deal massive amounts of damage the race should not be designed based on the 2nd item box and for the love of god please change the meteors make them not just fall ontop of you like you just can’t react to it and ya nerf the rings to the same as burning

Always tldr nerf everything about him he is the best character in the game for no reason

[bold sigil]

Oh hi sun

[tiny heath]

It should act like Thorn Rose's Hammer attack but make the duration 2 secs long before sending out an explosion

[deep reef]

His Chaos Blast should have its Mini Boost Nerfed, or even removed. I now realize he shouldn't have more Rings than Burning Blaze (All Supers used to start with 55 Rings).

Anything else should be considered later, except possibly reducing the damage of Chaos Blast. But the Physics of the Meteors might need more time to fine tune. Hopefully it would all be fixed alongside nerfing the rest of the Meta Abusers

[desert trout]

Basically 2-3 boost

[alpine reef]

This chat feels very humid

It’s like someone turned the thermostat up a hard notch

If it gets any hotter, I’m going to cook fried eggs in here

[gilded arch]

expected from such an extremely controversial kit

[bold sigil]

Especially since this one character overpowers practically all others and only has maybe 3 counters to their playstyle

Rouge mains are having a time to shine rn

Cause if they lock their items even once its detrimental to their ring count

[faint tundra]

He should even have 25 rings 💀

[fluid bolt]

Chaos Blast shouldve had only the 1 pulse and made into a Chargeable where it does stronger damage based on the charge level(Like Rusty Rose punch for example of chargeable). It could keep the Shield Breaker property if it was just the one.

[echo cedar]

Again, ALL supers should have 40 Rings at maximum level, no exceptions.

[rigid crow]

3 blasts is just not right

Even 2 blasts

He already got a godly stats, let him use 1 blast and have 45 starting rings like BB I don’t mind, then he’s alright,

This is another way to nerf him

Wait let me check his stats again real quick

10/9/6

Bruh what !!

He has the best stats for a super

[bold sigil]

9 accel !?

[echo cedar]

Drop him to 40. No reason they need to be above the others

[rigid crow]

9 accel

10 speed

He would be in front most races

[bold sigil]

I typing faster then i was thinkin mb

[rigid crow]

Then BB would be dropped to

I still don’t mind, anyway it works

[echo cedar]

Yeah, there was no reason to put her at 45

[rigid crow]

But him having 55 is just straight up evil 💀

[echo cedar]

But him especially

[bold sigil]

I meant to type 9 but my brain was going "do all supers have 10 speed from the super status ?"

[rigid crow]

Bro has the best stats out of all supers, give him 1 blast like talking flower said, and he’s good 👍

That’s also a good nerf

Then reduce his stats too

[bold sigil]

And fix meteors smacking you in the head with no time to react

[rigid crow]

Yea, I don’t know why they changed the meteor damage too

[bold sigil]

They hurt so badly..

[rigid crow]

It deals electric effect before

They changed it 💀

[bold sigil]

But chaos blast is just stupid

[rigid crow]

This game man

[bold sigil]

3 lane bodyblock mini boost that hits harder then an E MINE ?

We love this game

[rigid crow]

Bro i have not been so upset with the game since this guy arrived, like common we all hated SDS, but it was a bug fix, this is just straight up nonsense

[echo cedar]

This isn't enough. It shouldn't be deleting shields AND rings on touch

[rigid crow]

Yea this too

[bold sigil]

another glaring problem with this character

Also

[rigid crow]

I forgot

[bold sigil]

Sup dash

[echo cedar]

Sup bro!

[bold sigil]

Sleep well ?

[echo cedar]

Meh

[bold sigil]

Fair

[rigid crow]

Why does it breaks shields 😭

[bold sigil]

Moving on

[rigid crow]

I’ve asked Odinson, I didn’t get any reply

[bold sigil]

Even valhalla isnt safe

[rigid crow]

This isn’t fair tbh

[echo cedar]

I came to one of those sections in the track where the path split. I went left, MSSH went right. His Chaos Blast STILL hit me from there

[rigid crow]

Bruh 💀🙏

[bold sigil]

I was going to win cause i hit a movie super and was about to boost past him, bro stared rapid left right switching while using blast

Body blocked with no way around it

Put me in 3rd cause 4th left

[echo cedar]

Lol, Movie tails and Linebacker Omega used to do this, which was why their shields no longer AOE

[bold sigil]

Ik, i used it once

[faint tundra]

If I have to find a positive thing, I like how the community is united against Mssh

[echo cedar]

Also that just happened to me. He was already winning, stopped to transform and hit me before leaving

[bold sigil]

But people could shield through it

[bold sigil]

On everything we hate this, it out-meta's the meta

[rigid crow]

I can’t even use my main cause of this char, it’s frustrating ngl,

[echo cedar]

Problem was 80% of the time they couldn't. If you're far enough back from any hit, you got a boost instead. If it wasn't invincible, you're getting WALLED when they stop. It's fixed now ofc, but you see MSSH doing it now and it's... let's just say I have some choice words

[bold sigil]

Understood

[faint tundra]

Chaos blast breaks the shield

HL devs: nice !

I mean since even the shield is useless there is obviously a big problem

[rigid crow]

Bruh so many people have been saying this, I don’t even know if they know about it

It’s so annoying fr

[carmine hinge]

Chaos blast nerf suggestion duration nerf speed increase than it will be a short range mini boost instead of a dash. That's all. If anyone here used super movie shadow with using his Chaos blast you will see he isn't good at all due to him not being able to hit anyone with meteors.

[faint tundra]

At start I thought they did it on purpose, but since we learned they didn’t even know the chaos control is glitched, I start to think they probably don’t know that too

[rigid crow]

Duration nerf, no speed increase

What are u saying right now

Wdym speed increase

[carmine hinge]

Speed increase duration nerd

[faint tundra]

Duration nerf and the circumference

[rigid crow]

Yea probably, I should ping Odinson again

[faint tundra]

A circumference like the Movie Tail’s trap would be good

[rigid crow]

He already has a godly stats, he can catch up just fine with one blast, we didn’t design him, he was designed this way

We all pray for a nerf like EGS

He’s a super anyway, so he shouldn’t win all races easily

[echo cedar]

Supers have to work for wins. I don't mind them getting unique items (they should have anyway), but they shouldn't be this ridiculous. He's not WORKING for his wins, he just gets them

[rigid crow]

Well explained

[carmine hinge]

I don't pray for that. EGS needs a buff to slipstream speed. An Movie super shadow needs a balance nerf an I pretty sure he will get that nerf an still be good.

[bold sigil]

And so does oni meph, nerf needed

[rigid crow]

EGS is still good, a slight speed buff won’t be bad I agree, very slight btw, we don’t want anything broken

[faint tundra]

In plus he starts with 55 rings so he can easily double boost

He really doesn’t need a miniboost

[rigid crow]

Oni is alright , fix his trap hitbox and he’s okay

I never had issues with Oni , but his trap hitbox is a bit too big

[bold sigil]

The lightning needs a slight decrease on the lightnings speed

[rigid crow]

Vhs is still better than him, even with her nerf

[bold sigil]

How fast it drops

[echo cedar]

I just don't like the lightning hitting me when I clearly moved out the way

[bold sigil]

THAT

THAT is my issue !

[rigid crow]

Yes that attack is just like that , if it’s nerfed it will be bad

Look at Excalibur

He’s good now

[echo cedar]

Fun fact it's still faster than King's Judgement lol

[bold sigil]

If it were same speed

[echo cedar]

Excalibur is ok

[bold sigil]

I'd be fine

[rigid crow]

Make it same as king’s judgement, then he’s good

[bold sigil]

I did say "slight"

That was part of my statement

[rigid crow]

Okay 👍

Imo he’s not really a problem

[faint tundra]

When I fight against lvl 16 Excaliburs I don’t find a difference in speed

[echo cedar]

I am a Lv.16 Excalibur, that's why I can see the difference

[bold sigil]

I do, its very small though

I race him often

[echo cedar]

^

[bold sigil]

And because he is a lvl 16 my valiant tails cant really hit him with my own dropping swords until i get this next lvl on him

[faint tundra]

If we compare to the chaos spears, it’s 100 times faster than chaos spears. How could u do a thing faster than the king’s judgement?

[echo cedar]

But no one's asking about Chaos Spear, it's just a yellow Balkiry lol

[rigid crow]

I’m surprised they didn’t buff valiant tails too, they got the same move

[echo cedar]

Because Valiant's was originally better

[bold sigil]

Pretty sure valiant tails is what they brought excal up to

[bold sigil]

^^

Once im at lvl 10 i'll have a way better chance at hitting him

[rigid crow]

Not really ngl, I’ve never got hit by that stuff

[faint tundra]

When you see the King’s judgment it just makes 1 second to hit you, right?

[rigid crow]

He’s also bad too

Btw he’s the worse knight

A max valiant tails is no threat 💀 and nobody uses him

[bold sigil]

Bro..

[rigid crow]

It’s the truth

I’m not counting chrono, who’s the worse then?

[bold sigil]

I main valiant tails

[rigid crow]

Sorry 💀

[bold sigil]

Its in my name rn lol

[echo cedar]

"Worst Knight" is a bit of a reach. Only his boost is bad really.

[bold sigil]

Like dawg T-T

[rigid crow]

Bruh I didn’t see it 💀

I’m sorry

[rigid crow]

His trap doesn’t hit anyone sadly, it should be same speed as Excalibur ngl

[echo cedar]

Normally I don't count Chrono, but people have made it clear to me that they do, and he's horrid lol

[echo cedar]

Level him up

The trap is not his most dependant item

[bold sigil]

Lvl 10 sword dropping is where its at

If you time it right you can even put people in the correct lane to throw a sword

[rigid crow]

Yea…no, I’ve met a few max valiant, he’s really not good ngl, he needs that trap buff too, and his boost is terrible

[bold sigil]

BUFF WIND BOOST

🙏

[echo cedar]

The trap is fine. Speed it up on level and it does it's job. It's there to force them to change lanes, right into the projectile that can't be jumped

That projectile doing -20 Rings is great lol

[bold sigil]

You really just have to play him smart

But fr buff that boost..

[echo cedar]

The boost is a crippling weakpoint

[rigid crow]

I still disagree, the trap should have same speed as Excalibur and he would flourish

[bold sigil]

💀

[rigid crow]

That’s holding him back if his boost is bad

[echo cedar]

At that point he's just better Excalibur if you also want the boost buffed. Excalibur struggles with range if you're preemptively dodging KJ. Valiant doesn't have this weakness

[rigid crow]

No, not the boost, just the trap buff

Just same speed as Excalibur

[bold sigil]

Wind boost is still garbage tho and it forces me to cope

[echo cedar]

That's what I'm saying. You want the trap and boost buffed, in which case he becomes better Excalibur lol. The trap was never meant to be his main threat like I said

[echo cedar]

Wind Boost got "buffed" and feels untouched

[bold sigil]

It still goes practically nowhere

[echo cedar]

^

[rigid crow]

Okay, just buff one then, probably wind boost, so it can buff other wind boost chars

[bold sigil]

That would work

[rigid crow]

I think that’s better

[echo cedar]

I agree with this heavily

[main oak]

the trap is already lower damage than excalibur lol he just wants his main to be better smh

[bold sigil]

The sword throw is fine he just needs better recovery via his boost

And the dmg is supposed to be lower

[main oak]

valiant is doodoo

[rigid crow]

He’s not my main lmao, I just don’t like how he’s weak and forgotten

[bold sigil]

The ring drain does its job

[echo cedar]

The trap was better than Excalibur's prior to buff. You just want it to be the exact same lol

[rigid crow]

If wind boost is buffed, he will be alright

[bold sigil]

My point exactly

[rigid crow]

If not, just buff the trap instead

[main oak]

excalibur got a damage buff and a speed buff. Giving valiant the speed buff makes it still worse.

[bold sigil]

All he needs is better recovery

[rigid crow]

Win win

[bold sigil]

Wind boost is really bad for catching up to people

[echo cedar]

Valiant's was faster before, wdym lol

[main oak]

No, it was not. It literally had the King's Judgement description on the upgrades, show a video

[rigid crow]

No, I don’t think so

They were same

[echo cedar]

Yes it was, the description does NOT tell you everything. DJV says damage increase yet he gets multi pickup lmao

[main oak]

it tells you that it was literally copied over and cloned

[rigid crow]

Imo, valiant could use one of the buffs, either boost or trap, cause his projectile is solid, way better than Excalibur’s projectile, if it’s a boost buff, it helps other wind boost char, if it’s a trap buff, it helps him

[echo cedar]

They weren't, we tested

[main oak]

video?

[rigid crow]

Do u have a video?

[echo cedar]

I'm not the one who recorded because my phone is garbo at recording midgame without lag

[main oak]

I don't know why I even jumped in I hate valiant and he's a terrible washed character, if people want him to stay that way idc really

[rigid crow]

Yea we just want him useful lol

[main oak]

20 ring attack isn't worth such a nerf, see warrior shadow.

spears, great boost, multi pickup longer range with puddles

[rigid crow]

Buff his trap

[rigid crow]

Warrior shadow is everything 🙏

[main oak]

bro slaps

[echo cedar]

Not a video, but here, even Rihaan noticed #📱screenshots message

Both were bad, mind you, but I'm specifically saying back then before KJ buff, Valiant's was better even if not by much

Also read a rumor it can steal Rings like a wind attack, but idk how true that is

[rigid crow]

There is a video under it, zeref replied also

“I don’t see a difference there”

Just look at the video under what u sent

There was no difference

Man, they did valiant tails dirty, he needs that trap buff 🙏

[bold sigil]

And everyone needs a wind boost buff

[south pawn]

Maybe but I’m emotionally unstable now

[weak steeple]

NEEF THIS DANG CHARECTER

[spring edge]

Yes it was

[spring edge]

Lets not buff windboost

[main oak]

#📱screenshots message

video disagrees

[bold sigil]

Curse you lemon, may you encounter more three stack MSSH my friend !

You will rue the day you scorned the windboost buff

[fluid bolt]

3 match ups are the kind of thing you'd wish for your worst enemies

[bold sigil]

I know him personally lol

He's handled them quite a few times

[spring edge]

Me who loves windboost as a boost LMAO
Nah man gimme 3 level 9 Mssh players, easy Dubs

[bold sigil]

See

Idk how he does it

But bro can do it

[spring edge]

I was the highest scoring non-mssh player last season just a little above one of the best players in the game

[spring edge]

I’m not trying to flex but I say that’s an achievement

[bold sigil]

Wait

[fluid bolt]

He's him. 💯 🔥

[bold sigil]

Lemon

[spring edge]

Hmm?

[bold sigil]

My brotha

[spring edge]

[bold sigil]

I've known you for like a year

And your telling me this now ?????

[spring edge]

Lmfao yes

Yes I am

[bold sigil]

Dude

[spring edge]

I’m getting better

[bold sigil]

Thats genuinely awesome WHY did you not tell me this ??

[spring edge]

On DCT’s next re-run in this event I’ll get 6k

[bold sigil]

Goodness i need to type slower

!?

Are you vaulting ?

Im just curious

I did it for valiant tails

And i'll also be trying to do it next time DCT drops

[spring edge]

Yup, I sent my level in our server

[bold sigil]

OH

[spring edge]

I had level 8 for DCT before this event lol

[bold sigil]

49 number 1's name is crazy yo

Not you

The other 3

[spring edge]

Lol don’t worry Ik

It’s wild

[bold sigil]

And the last one's is just funny

[spring edge]

He was a goated Aussie player

We tied

[bold sigil]

Oh fr ?

Nice

[spring edge]

I wasn’t using mssh though so I feel

🤌

[bold sigil]

I dont even got him and im happy about it cause i dont like him on a principal level

[spring edge]

LOL very respectful towards that… wait are you vaulting DCT? Or nah

[bold sigil]

Later

Nrn

Broke

[spring edge]

🤔

But

Max DCT

and 4million rings later

[fringe hedge]

i would say speed buff would be nice

[fringe hedge]

do it

[spring edge]

Nah

[spring edge]

Both videos aren’t very accurate because they’re not properly uploaded/have lagginess in them. Give better Quality

[fringe hedge]

duration buff would be to much so make it faster would help

[spring edge]

Longclaw

[fringe hedge]

yeah but that just 1 characters nobody use her much

[main oak]

burden of proof, it's not my job to disprove a claim. I linked to the video there because it exists but apparently I am required to jump through your hoops to refute your own claim, how neat.

just drop this here it clearly won't go any further until you show a video

[spring edge]

I’m not telling you to do it or annoying you deliberately I’m just making a statement chill bud

Apologies

[marble tendon]

h

[fluid bolt]

Played him for a few matches. To knock out the challenger rarity mission and those missions where you have to finish under 80 rings in one go and mannn...

Everyone hates this dude, they all jumped me. 😭

[sacred ember]

Hey guys, one fact about movie super shadow: if you use chaos blast right as you get frozen status effect, it’ll still be active, keeping the speed boost and hitboxes.

It’s frustrating because I was about to win, froze a mssh and he still hit me with chaos blast while he was frozen

[gilded arch]

no other minibooster does that btw

[sacred ember]

Indeed

[gilded arch]

somebody gotta test that with boscage's boost, you can still have it work if you get hit during the charge, now for frozen status i don't think i've seen it

[sacred ember]

I think it actually does stay while frozen, I’ve seen it happen a few times, dunno if it got patched or something though

But as far as I know, you can still get the speed boost while frozen

[gilded arch]

wild

[sacred ember]

I think it’s mostly about timing though

If you time it correctly, you can get a decent charge in while frozen, which is what I think activates it

The boost reaching max charge is when it deploys

And it does so automatically when reaching max charge, which is why I think it activates while frozen

It’s tricky though

Feel free to test it to see if I’m wrong though

Ok

I tested it

It does stay

It will keep charging even if you’re frozen

And eventually deploy the boost

I can’t record it though, since I have no idea how to record matches on a iPhone

So you’ll just have to test it out yourself if you don’t believe me

[fringe hedge]

chaos blast is so opp you can hit someone that use it and it will still be active after you hit them like why

[sacred ember]

Just another thing for hardlight to fix

Add it to the loooooong list

[cobalt marsh]

Not gonna lie, Movie Super Shadow is so fun to play as when you use chaos blast as an attack+normal boost if you’re behind, but matches like that are impossible to have since it’s nearly gaurenteed that there’ll be a mssh who spams Chaos Blast..

That’s my weird take of the day

Also, I seriously hate playing as him and spamming chaos boost since it just isn’t fun. But Mssh is like the meta knight of this game and you genuinely cannot beat him with any other character unless you’re just that cracked somehow

[tawdry gyro]

Got sent from first to last because both super shadows chaos blasted me as they flew by

[pallid oriole]

Gonna say this again

The nerfs he needs:

• Chaos Blast should have the same duration regardless of level (so it doesn't last for a year), less range, less speed (maybe even take out the miniboost) and less damage
• Falling Flames needs less damage

[sacred ember]

I am really getting fed up with playing against mssh, I’ve been playing this game for a few years now and I’ve grown to love it, but I’m honestly thinking about quitting because of mssh. I’m somewhat of a skilled player and I get around 6.2 thousand each month. So naturally I play with the top players, but I’m absolutely fed up with playing against them, there’s no way to win and they’re taking all of the fun out of this game for me. Playing against another after another, it’s really obnoxious and tiring. If this character doesn’t get dealt with soon, I might quit the game for a while, please hardlight, fix your damn game

[fringe hedge]

facts

can't even beat the low skill player playing him because he's just that op as a character

[sacred ember]

Right

[lilac gull]

I'll say it again, purposely damaging your own game seems to me to be one of the worst monetization strategies they could come up with

[acoustic ivy]

nerf him fr

[wicked raven]

[acoustic ivy]

I agree to your tag

[fringe hedge]

can they fix the constantly lag spike in this game

[sacred ember]

Quick tip: if you use have a high level rouge, I recommend you using her. Her booby traps are really effective against supers. It’ll still take some effort to take down mssh though

But it works

[safe acorn]

i approve of this message

rouge is the perfect counter to supers in general if used right

[wraith matrix]

I get like 17

Or 7

Every mission

[river mauve]

Cards?

[wraith matrix]

Yea

I’m at like 120

And I need 300

[river mauve]

I meant to say that about normal events when a special character is on all 7 days

For one day characters I find you have to do 4 missions per refresh

To get around 300 cards

Like I unlocked all of the lunar characters and got them to level 2 by doing that

[wraith matrix]

How
Many red rings do u have

[river mauve]

Got all of them from the rsr offerwall

[weak steeple]

Oh so u are Iam speed!

[river mauve]

Yep that’s me

Canada 🇨🇦

[tame remnant]

I had no idea there was a ranking

[sacred ember]

I feel kinda disappointed, because I love mssh ( and I agree he’s waaay too broken and needs to be nerfed) I’d like to play him because I love supers and I usually mained them before mssh, but now using mssh feels like a crime. It’s against my self rules to win a match undeserved, but I’d like to play him more. The only thing is, I have him at lv14 which pretty much makes all of his kit into cheating material. I hope he can get nerfed soon so I can play him ( and other supers) again

[faint tundra]

That’s me on the top 3

[sacred ember]

Congrats

[chrome mantle]

What's stopping you

[sacred ember]

I just feel it’s against my code to play a broken character winning easily

[chrome mantle]

You took the time and effort to get it to LVl 14 and Ur gonna complain like you'll get banned.

[sacred ember]

I like fair matches, no cheap tricks or anything

[sacred ember]

True, but I like to get every super to lv14 so I can enjoy the full boost experience

[sacred ember]

I just think if I play him, I don’t deserve the win.

Because the other players would be outmatched

It’s a sense of honor Ig

[faint tundra]

@weak steeple sorry for the chaos spears spam on Planet wisp lmao

I don’t know how the Mssh could dodge all of them

[weak steeple]

I also didn’t know how + that adds to my -100 trophies

@faint tundra

[faint tundra]

My trophies currently form a sinusoidal curve. I go up to 5700 trophies then I go down to 5600 and so on. I’ve had enough 🤣

[weak steeple]

I feel you (I blame the mssh sweats)

[faint tundra]

But I’m so impressed when I see u have more than 5500 trophies being on lvl 14 in this meta. It’s really really impressive

[weak steeple]

Thanks! I’m planning on reaching 15

[faint tundra]

If u pass the next challenger on lvl 14/15 I think u will get enough to pass to the lvl 15

@river mauve it’s better to spam the chaos spear with me than meteors. If you did that, we could occupy 3 or the 4 emplacements of the Mssh player, hit him a lot of time, and assure the first and the second place 😔

[river mauve]

Tru but how you know what I’m doing

Meteors are better at reeling them in

[faint tundra]

That’s true but only if you are the only Msh. Because if I decided to spam the meteors too it would have been…
Or as we are 2 Msh We can compensate for the slowness of the chaos spears and hit the Mssh severely

Do you prefer I spam the meteors too when we face the Mssh players? I’m not against, but it would be very dirty xD

[faint tundra]

I played you 3 or 4 times today

I’m Mssh=Noskill

[river mauve]

Ohhh sick

[faint tundra]

Ok let’s spam the meteors lmao @river mauve

We was not synchronized with the chaos spears. I think meteors are really better

[sacred ember]

Was that you I raced against a few times? @river mauve

[river mauve]

What was ur username

[sacred ember]

NIGHTMARE_RUN

[river mauve]

I think so

[sacred ember]

You’re really good bro

Congrats on the wins

[river mauve]

Ty

I feel like I lose more than I win lol

[sacred ember]

It happens, just keep running

[river mauve]

Indeed

This game is too fun I can’t stop

[sacred ember]

Agreed

[weak steeple]

GG! @river mauve

[river mauve]

Knuckles kept gatekeeping me

Gg

[weak steeple]

lol

I purposely hit DCT to get revenge

[river mauve]

So annoying 😔

[sacred ember]

@weak steeple ggs

[faint tundra]

@river mauve that was amazing 😭

[river mauve]

Ehehehe

[faint tundra]

He could do nothing lmao

[weak steeple]

GG!

[faint tundra]

I feel sad for the egs, we ruined his game

[sacred ember]

Yea, he was a cool concept too

It’s unfortunate

[faint tundra]

No I mean, @river mauve and me abusively spammed the meteors, so egs was severely embarrassed

[river mauve]

Dang silver really messed you up

[river mauve]

Yeah we did lol

[faint tundra]

We found the strategy

[weak steeple]

What even happened? @river mauve

[river mauve]

I hit a meteor or smth then oni’s lightning hit me so I couldn’t tp

Just realized my phone is on 3 percent so ima dip

[sacred ember]

Sigh… it’s to be expected. I didn’t even abuse chaos blast.

I tried him ONCE

[main oak]

garbage character, get rid of it already

2025 and you still ruin your game to sell a quick vault 👎

[hollow warren]

Bro has no chill 💀

BASEBALL CHARACTERS EVENTS WHEN?

[main oak]

This is ruining the game it needs to be fixed urgently

and we do need a baseballs recap they never come back

they are goats

[hollow warren]

Yh u can't use any of your characters against him plus shields don't work against him too and his stat points are so high that u can effectively gate keep him

[main oak]

Yes literally NOTHING I have can even keep up

[hollow warren]

Can't*

[hardy aurora]

Game is only bearable if you only play just enough to unlock new characters. I don't bother going for 6k anymore, it's not worth it.

[main oak]

I boost and boost and boost and I can't even catch up to his stupid shield boost

[hollow warren]

Metal can steal items and even he gets bodied 💀

[main oak]

I'm supposed to believe they tested it yet it's functioning BETTER than most boosts?

if they tested that then it was intentional to be broken.

[hollow warren]

I'm player level 15 and I get bullied by lvl 10 players with lvl 12 MSSH

[main oak]

Either it was completely untested and they fumbled the bag hard, or they intentionally did it to break him and sell vaults, and if so they should be ashamed

[hardy aurora]

Game is not a one time charge to play so they purposely introduce overpowered stuff

[hollow warren]

The fact that he can easily catch up even though u boosted past him after hitting him is wild 💀

[main oak]

I tried to boost away and his mini boost literally goes faster, its no use.

it catches up and over takes me

they do this stuff intentionally and it's disgraceful ngl

[hardy aurora]

It's kind of a necessary evil for a game like this to keep getting new content however I think they could do just fine without going this overboard.

[main oak]

I think it's a completely game killing mentality

[hardy aurora]

Yeah, go too crazy and you can drive players away

[main oak]

You have to give people a reason to want characters you make

when they make one that is woeful like MSSH it makes me not want anything. I stop caring what is coming

Hope that means it's worth it? Losing long term money just for a short term buck?

Idk what they're thinking lately. I come back and it just is worse than the last time

[hardy aurora]

Not the first time they've made a grossly overpowered character

Seems it's profitable in the long run, so they keep doing it.

[main oak]

I've played for a long time. Nothing has been this bad for years.

but they are escalating the last few months. EGS, Valhalla, Oni (buggy mess on release), now this

[hardy aurora]

I think Infinite at release was worse tbh. Watch me suffer here lol: #📱screenshots message

[main oak]

yeah that was worse.

four years ago...

I remember it too. It was a nightmare, so was the old super meta. This is the worst thing in years though

[hardy aurora]

I wonder how they'll nerf it

[main oak]

they probably won't for another month

they're too busy breaking the next character kit intentionally 😹

[rigid crow]

Snowdrift and EGS was also worse

EGS meta was stupid too

Similar to this

If you aren’t using EGS, you are guaranteed 2nd place

It was so annoying lol

[main oak]

It wasn't really like this, he was an easy win too

[rigid crow]

Thats what I meant

He was too good also

[main oak]

emine damage through shields, buffed super form with a mini boost outcompeting half the boosts

starting rings of a regular Special

[rigid crow]

Obviously, MSSH is better than release EGS

[main oak]

this character was just built intentional to be as horrible as a super could be

[rigid crow]

But he was also worse

[rigid crow]

Cause money 💰

It was obvious

[main oak]

wym

[rigid crow]

like EGS meta was also worse, if you weren’t using him, you are guaranteed 2nd place

[main oak]

I'm not sure what you're compared it to, MSSH is far worse to deal with

[rigid crow]

Yea ik

[rigid crow]

I said it here

I’m just saying EGS release was also worse

[main oak]

got it. I agree, it's hard to keep being charitable towards their team with how often it happens now

in fact I am now cynical about them doing this intentionally. I used to give them a benefit of doubt, but really. I can't anymore

they haven't earned that doubt

[rigid crow]

There will be more meta in the future lol, it’s inevitable

[main oak]

thats fine, meta comes and goes. It doesn't have to be a completely gamebreaking experience that takes months to clean up though

[rigid crow]

That’s what I’m saying

It would be gamebreaking 😈 😂

Just be ready

[main oak]

I was even tolerable towards the dragon duo and was thankful when they got nerfed, I wasn't here complaining like I do now

I'm here simply because they just are getting worse as a company and I felt like I should say something but obviously that's no use

[rigid crow]

The only thing I don’t like about the dragon duo is their trap hitbox, otherwise I’m okay with them

[rigid crow]

Understandable

[fluid bolt]

Still no word on balance changes for this dude??

[devout grotto]

Ig

[lilac gull]

I used to buy the vault for every event, but mssh finally got me fed up.

1. Why keep investing in characters if out of the 114 there are only one is viable? Everything I paid for the previous characters doesn't count?
2. EGS, Valhalla, Oni and now this in the last 6 months? They show that they have no respect for the players every time they do this and it's something I can't support
3. The game isn't even fun when characters like this exist and it discourages me from playing, it is not worth to keep investing

[main oak]

damn bro. I see what you're meaning, I have only bought a couple vaults and I feel terrible like they were wasted money now. I have all these characters that I want to use and every time I hover over "Play" I back out because I know what will happen and I would rather remember the good times than pile on bad ones over them.

Right now this game doesn't give you any "good times" memories to look back on later.

[river mauve]

we need to nerf him so bad. I’ve lost every round ive played with blossom Amy because of him coming up behind me and hitting me

[faint tundra]

It’s clearly a scam

Every time they want money they do that

But we can’t blame them

If we have to blame someone that would be the players. If players didn’t put their money in characters like that, HL would understand we are not interested by those type of characters and would probably stop that

But no, every time that players see a broken character, they can’t control their money and HL will be right to apply this strategy when they want money

[fringe hedge]

noo hardlight is the one to blame they literally do it Everytime

[faint tundra]

Unfortunately it’s in their policy. They are free to change what they want in the characters, and when you create your account, they ask you if you agree with that, and you click on "Accept" if u are ok with

[fringe hedge]

continue to doing this will kill there game because alot of ppl will fine it hard to win when there 114 characters and only 1 characters dominating the game

[faint tundra]

Exactly

But the problem is, they know even if players stop playing the game because of broken characters, when they will nerf them, players will always come back early or later.
Because we cannot lie about the fact the game is a little addictive. It’s easy to get characters for free, the race’s system is fun, etc…

So even if there are some players who only play when the meta is good, and disappear when it’s not, it doesn’t do a problem for them while there are a lot of players who will put their money in those broken characters

[stuck marsh]

One of my friends said it best when he called this game “The almost perfect Sonic racing game. An amazing concept with a great roster of characters… bogged down ever so slightly by the fact that it’s a free mobile game, and has every single problem one would expect from a free mobile game.”

The next character MUST sell well, or the game gets shut down. Thus the next character must be overpowered.

Nerfs only come about when a decent majority of the player base owns that character, thus that character won’t make Hardlight nearly as much money, so it’s ok to actually try and balance them.

[stuck marsh]

This rule doesn’t apply to characters that Hardlight actually 100% expects to sell well btw. Characters like Warlock & Gamma are proof of that. I fully expect Neo Metal to be completely meh whenever he releases.

Calling it now, his moveset is gonna be a blue version of Lightning Storm, an Electric-Type boost, and Steal. Not great. Not terrible. Just an ok character.

[stuck marsh]

Uhh, unrelated to that little rant, I don’t think super forms should be able to use other moves while boosting.

[tawny harbor]

nerf him.

[deft fulcrum]

I know he’s a bit overpowered but if you were here when he released then it should’ve been relatively easy to get him (coming from someone who used to play crk, an extreme grind). Metal Sonic can counter him pretty well (from my experience) and they usually lose if they get hit more than once so I don’t have any complaints.

[main oak]

I have watched them get hit extremely hard multiple times and they just rubber band to the front instantly, like not even 3 seconds later.

Frozen and slides into lava mine? No worries, extreme clutch mini boost will sling you right back to the lead. And hit everyone who thought they just passed you.

It's like the mini boost bypass the high damage slowdown. Usually you can't just immediately accelerate after a hit, have you tried to boost when you hit an emine? If you do it too soon you go nowhere. His chaos blast bypasses that

so it feels like damage is irrelevant to him

[tight lily]

Ngl he's op as hell fr

[versed plume]

I think that’s why Chaos Blast is broken, incredibly high acceleration and extreme velocity

[wicked raven]

||MSSH must be deleted from existence. 💀🙏🏻||

[jaunty shadow]

training wheels

[echo venture]

Yeah MSSH needs a nerf sooner or later. It's actually infuriating to play against anyone who uses it

[torpid otter]

No, we won't let you win.

[sacred ember]

So, are we against playing as mssh in general, or just spammers? Cuz I feel it’d be ok if they’re playing fair right?

Not spamming chaos blast or anything should be acceptable right?

[main oak]

I just want him nerfed idc what people do, I'm not even playing anyway

no issue in my book what you play as, if you need a climb then MSSH is your only way right now.

[sacred ember]

I see, thank you for the clarification

[fringe hedge]

i love getting gang up on by mssh

[weak steeple]

U technically won

[hardy aurora]

Lol insane how shields don't work against chaos blast

[fringe hedge]

it's funny how running into a obstacles is more reliable than a shield great game mechanic

[ionic shore]

Honestly because of all the MSSHs running around making the game a miserable experience I've been sticking to characters with Invincibility boosts like Classic Sonic or Vector.

It doesn't solve all the issues but being able to run straight through the meteor spam without a care in the world just feels nice

[deep reef]

Idol Shadow, Rockstar Rouge, and Movie Tails have an AOE attack that mutes. They are the most effective characters against Movie Super Shadow.

Anyone with an electric attack would also have a chance at making him drop his Chaos Blast. So, Rockstar Rouge might be the very best counter.

She can also suck up all the rings if he tries boosting.

[ionic shore]

Unfortunately I only started playing the game a couple of days ago. Only skinned character I have is that Tropical Storm one, though the regular Storm works pretty well too.

I was like 50 cards away from Extreme Gear Sonic