Extreme Gear Sonic

[compact pivot]

Yeah ....

I missed those guys a lot

I want to recap theme all

Now thank god we have supers

At least :/

[steep jackal]

Nerf the speed he gets from his projectile and he's fine. Nothing else needs to be touched

[limber fjord]

remove the speed from slipstream,make it so he can hit other extreme gear users with tornado trap

[steep jackal]

I want him to stay a mini booster though. Just not a BROKEN mini booster. I think the trap is fine, it doesn't bother me that he can't hit other riders with it. You can still use it to launch people upward into things they need to slide under, including clouds. Changing that would just make it Tornado Trap with less damage/longer spawn range.

[limber fjord]

nah he can't have all his items being mini boost 1 need to go and that slipstream

plus it's so easy to stack with his boost and idk why it does damage

[steep jackal]

Ok but you literally just described Tangle and Surge lol.

The trap is hardly even a boost at all, it's fine. Just slow him down way more on his projectile, he moves too fast from it

[limber fjord]

everyone been asking for tangle nerf and surge got nerf plus she have a kool down only think need nerf for surge is the boost it to long for mini boost character

only reason ppl stop talking about it is because everytime hardlight make a new broken characters that make look like normal characters

[steep jackal]

Surge I see, not so much Tangle. If anything I've seen more have an issue with than anything Tangle does

[limber fjord]

you literally don't see much surge or tangle since dct and dfs

[steep jackal]

I see Surges all the time, my literal last screenshot has her in it lol

[limber fjord]

all i see is egs dct and dfs or maybe a vector or 2

[steep jackal]

I just see dragons and Vector more than I see most other things (not including EX Gear Sonic)

[median warren]

i’m scared to even play the game cause i’m gonna lose more trophies because of 2 EG sonics giving each other speed boosts

[limber fjord]

facts

[fierce orbit]

the only 10 speed with a mini boost is surge and even that is a Super-Killer

remove the mini boost on EGS completely IMO, its still a good attack without that

[limber fjord]

facts

he still can stack and use other boost plus actually place traps

[fierce orbit]

and he hits hard???

[limber fjord]

i never seen egs use tornado trap because they only using slipstream the entire race

[fierce orbit]

if you are going to argue that he *deserves *a mini boost

then nerf every damage he has to surge's damage??

and then give a cooldown

[fierce orbit]

this is a bad idea imo but like, compared to surge, why is he so much better

people complain that 80% of the roster feels unusable

hardlight is like "here let me make that 95%"

mini boosters ruin the game for a lot of characters when they don't have any vulnerability

moral of the story, nobody likes mini boosters except the people using them.

and egs is the worst of them now lol

[limber fjord]

facts

[fierce orbit]

distance on that trap should be the same as normal tornado trap too imo, idk why it spawns far

[limber fjord]

yeah it spawn abit further than normal tornado

[wise pollen]

worst character to be added to the game tbh

[trim apex]

whoa buddy relax!

i think egs is balanced. gotta ride the turbulence till you go blind!

[limber fjord]

clearly he balance since everyone at 7k using egs

[trim apex]

[limber fjord]

so if you using him and you're not at 7k or close to it your bad

[trim apex]

the speed reminds me of uh.... hmmm what was the fastest gear in sonic riders? i forgot.

[proud sigil]

Same here once I reach 6K.

Which I thankfully already did.

[proud sigil]

I do not understand. Why is he balanced?

[kindred sail]

Bugged DSS

[waxen pike]

As it's name implies, Fastest.

It couldn't keep it up for long though since it's Air Drain was ridiculous and had no easy way to regain it.

[trim apex]

He's a glass speedster.

[proud sigil]

And what is that supposed to mean?

Just one use of Slipstream Whirlwind and it is basically bye bye for whoever is not EGS.

[trim apex]

He's fast but very little defenses

[proud sigil]

That is like saying Tangle is balanced since one move can cause her the race. How she plays is just like Extreme Gear Sonic, minus an actual trap and a chance of two pickups on both Tail Strikes.

[trim apex]

Um

Forgot to add boscage maze sonic to that as well

Pretty much any item that spawns in front of someone who's in the lead

[proud sigil]

That still limits options and makes a majority of the roster not viable against him.

It is like how Werehog was at launch. The only realistic ways to counter him were a broken boost, miniboosters, or an automine.

Same deal with Extreme Gear Sonic, except it is harder since he can always use Blue Tornado for a leap out of danger and a boost before going back to the Slipstream Whirlwibd trail.

[trim apex]

[proud sigil]

Boscage Maze Sonic is the best counter against him because of Sharp Shelter, but he also does not make things fun for everyone else.

[trim apex]

[limber fjord]

still won't help you against multiple egs

[hot void]

Pit stop

[trim apex]

[kindred sail]

Nerf Slipstream so he move slower than a turtle then make the boost unable to stack and cannot refresh with trap

[limber fjord]

how op egs is from last to first in like 6-7 sec even got a huge lead

still wonder why the boost does damage at all

fire boost damage at that

[round temple]

I think a good way to nerf egs is to either decrease the speed he gets from slipstream whirlwind or pit stop, or decrease the range of slipstream whirlwind

[tidal vale]

Plus decrease the damage from the boost & slipstream and remove the possibility of stacking the boost

[proud sigil]

What I want to see in the next balance patch for EGS
Slipstream Whirlwind

• Speed Buff : Speed Reduced
• Damage Reduced
  Pit Stop
• Damage Removed

[astral anchor]

pit stop dmg removal is od bruh..

[proud sigil]

I can't think of any conceivable justification for inflicting damage

[proud sigil]

Exactly.

[proud sigil]

I agree with two of the changes. Pit Stop doing damage is just plain unnecessary and nobody understands why that was a good idea. The damage of Slipstream Whirlwind should honestly be the same as regular Whirlwind.

Then we have the nerf/change a majority of us would want to see with Slipstream Whirlwind, which I really have no need to say what it is again.

[compact pivot]

I agree

[proud sigil]

Removing the possibility of stacking the boost is also a good nerf.

[compact pivot]

the project needs a strong nerf also ... I dont care about the trap since it gives an usless speed ... But the project gives more boost than dark blast 😑

Also the boost why it gives that damage Idk :/

[obtuse vector]

i swear i'll quit one day

[proud sigil]

It would be too much in my opinion.

[compact pivot]

I swear to god I do the same

[obtuse vector]

i rather gamble in sonic speed simulator than race with meta characters

at least players in sss show their actual SKILLS in a RACE

[compact pivot]

This game became really gross to play Now 😑

[proud sigil]

Yeah. No sort of kit that gives unfair advantages to certain characters and the use of Extreme Gear is purely optional.

[obtuse vector]

yea

[compact pivot]

Those idiots only wants some money

[obtuse vector]

i mean..

who doesn't these days

[compact pivot]

Correct

[obtuse vector]

i also need money for the new house but i can't magically get them

[proud sigil]

I don't like Sonic Speed Simulator

[obtuse vector]

oke

..and

[compact pivot]

Each one love what he love

[proud sigil]

I like what Sonic Speed Simulator has, but their gambling system either needs a serious change or has got to go.

[compact pivot]

Me too

[obtuse vector]

it can't go away anymore cause people paid a lot for the eggs. If no one payed they wouldn't have put them again

instead, we're getting gold android shadow next

and gold style jet

[proud sigil]

Even though I have not played it due to not having Roblox, I do like what it has (especially the skins).

[compact pivot]

me : MAX LEVEL !! EGS ... HELL NAH

[obtuse vector]

anyways chat back on topic before we get warned

[proud sigil]

True.

Watch Dev Matches be loaded with lots of Extreme Gear Sonics.

[obtuse vector]

people will never agree

[compact pivot]

Maybe i post a bored of the most broken characters ... And of corse Egs and Bms and werehog will be in the blacklist

[obtuse vector]

there are many characters that need a nerf, they won't just equip riders sonic only

a lot of people will equip dragonfire/claw, egs and more

[compact pivot]

Most sonics are broken for no reason

:/

[obtuse vector]

yeah

[compact pivot]

Its kinda stupid

And because of it I hate sonic Now

....

[obtuse vector]

i don't even play this game anymore tbh

like

would you believe me if i said i didn't even bother with egs?

[compact pivot]

Yeah if things keept crazy

[compact pivot]

We hade enough of werehog ... Tangle ... Bms .. Now Egs ???! ...
SEGA ! WHAT THE HELL

[obtuse vector]

i only got him level 2 i'm not farming for meta anymore like hell no. I'll probably leave once i get the movie characters but im not staying any longer tbh

i only want my knuckles collection and dip, this game went downhill

[compact pivot]

Same I only have lvl 4

[proud sigil]

I said this a lot, but I would have done the same if Pyromancer Blaze was next. I knew this was going to happen and I really did not want to go through so much hell just adding him to my collection.

[compact pivot]

Same ... I didnt care

:/

[proud sigil]

Pyromancer Blaze, in my opinion, was more exciting to me than Extreme Gear Sonic.

[obtuse vector]

i don't see the excitement in a sonic skin with just glasses and hoverboard

i understand reskins

but that's not one of them

[compact pivot]

XD

Bro my same opinion

[obtuse vector]

it's like if i see jet the hawk in game and say "OMG HES HERE I CANT BELIEVE HES HERE"

[compact pivot]

Yeah

Dx

Gosh in missed the balance ...

And the party matches with creators are coming

Wishh i will revenge and i cook them for what they did to Us from suffrening because of egs

Also bms and werehog

[obtuse vector]

remember that one bms nerf 💀

[compact pivot]

Of corse ☠️

[obtuse vector]

it's very useful

specially the nerf of that flower effect

[proud sigil]

Even then, Boscage Maze Sonic irks the living hell out of me with Sharp Shelter.

[compact pivot]

This characters are designed for noobs and woomens who have 0 skill

[obtuse vector]

it literally looks like they wanna help low levels but not us

[compact pivot]

Yup

In the framework of justice, as they claim :/

[trim apex]

Why are people saying that the pit stop boost shouldn't do damage? It's identical to what you do in sonic riders! if you boost with a character They enter a attack state, get close to A opponent and they'll attack him or her. So as knuckles from sonic boom would say "No * Writes on a piece of paper, stamps it And shows it to you* It's now illegal!"

[proud sigil]

This really shouldn’t have to be explained…A boost like Pit stop doing damage is completely unnecessary. On top of that it hits hard, and because he’s stupid powerful as a mini booster it just make it harder to catch up to him 💀

[trim apex]

I guess there are people who don't want him to play As he did in sonic riders. 🤷 Sorry man but you made zero sense I'd say let him keep the damage. But hey look at it this way. When he attacks you, at least he's not saying "HERE I COME!"

[proud sigil]

Why does that not make sense? That’s literally why it needs to go 💀

[trim apex]

It really doesn't need to go dude.

[proud sigil]

Yes, the damage is waayyyy too high.
Poor Karate Knuckles : his "legendary move" is slower, shorter, and deals less damage than Pit Stop

[proud sigil]

lol agreed 👍🏼

[trim apex]

I Disagree

Only on the damage removal

Should it still do damage? Yes, should it do high damage not necessarily.

[proud sigil]

How can you even defend Extreme Gear Sonic

If you want to keep the damage just make it the same as EMP Boost.

[trim apex]

Because he plays like he does in sonic riders

And this might be a little much but Also give it the wind effect if the damage gets nerfed

[proud sigil]

Yes.

[proud sigil]

I know, I like his playstyle as well but it is kind of unfair in a game like SFSB.

[compact pivot]

You are just a stupid sonic fan

Who supports that blue rat

[obtuse vector]

knuckles emoji detected

[trim apex]

Whoa There buddy what's with the aggression?

[compact pivot]

Explain to me how he is not broken dummy 😑

All his items are boost X boost

Worse than werehog

[compact pivot]

You like him Cuz he is broken ... Thats it

To be honest for sure

[proud sigil]

He never claimed EGS was not broken, just that he was like this in Sonic Riders

[trim apex]

Exactly!

[compact pivot]

Ok maybe im wrong :/

Im just tierd of losing against those spammers who use Egs and bms ... Also werehog

All of theme are broken and maid to claim money from theme

[trim apex]

@compact pivot Please don't take your frustration out in here

[compact pivot]

Srry but i say the reality

[proud sigil]

Werehog is not much of a pain to me

[compact pivot]

This game treat us as a cach not players

[compact pivot]

But supers and infinites cant catch him ... Wich is also another argument

[proud sigil]

True, but they can gatekeep.

[compact pivot]

Amyways The conclusion is that this guy needs a big nerf

[proud sigil]

#1275352562299703308 message

[trim apex]

Ehhhhh Medium nerf

[compact pivot]

Medium to big ... They should decrease the project speed and boost charing ... 😑

Remove the boost charing i mean

And by the way i noticated that players stopt using EGS

Most races i barly see an EGS

[proud sigil]

Well, lucky you!

[compact pivot]

Yup Maybe XD

With out egs i easly grind to 6200

[wise pollen]

that game feuled my gambling addiction

[queen thorn]

with nerf you mean delete?

[proud sigil]

"Nerf" refers to the action of weakening a weapon, ability or character.

[queen thorn]

deleting the speed is also a nerf...

[hot void]

Bro thinks hes Google when shes just kidding

[queen thorn]

wdym kidding

😭

the speed needs to be deleted

[proud sigil]

Yes.
But it would not make much sense to remove it completely 🫤

[queen thorn]

yes

it makes sense

bc your trap already gives you a boost

[hot void]

It would make alot of sense if the goal is to make him balanced

[queen thorn]

yes

[proud sigil]

It's not even noticeable and even if it was it still would not be an argument.

[queen thorn]

Omg youre so annoying arent you

hardlight simp

[hot void]

Daniel san behaviour

If you know, you know

[queen thorn]

HSKSBWODBDKENDEKDBDKD

[proud sigil]

This is an English server

[queen thorn]

callate pesao

[thin gulch]

Don't know where best to put this so I'll just do it here. I think surprise find needs a tweak. Specifically, if my main goal is to max out my rare characters, it feels bad when my chance to double my cards for a rare is taken away because I've got a surprise find for a special that I have less priority on. If its necessary to not have both the double and the surprise, i think there should be an option between them.

[proud sigil]

To be honest, you can get way more in missions than by doubling 10 cards at the end of a race.

I see. So when it comes to getting a Surprise Find, on top of getting 20 cards for the surprise, the cards earned for completing the race can still be doubled at the same time. I like that idea.

[thin gulch]

Yeh that's fair, i just would like to take any chance I get. Whatever time my race chests save me in maxing out my rares, that speed is doubled (or time is halved?) If I can get those doubles. That means a lot in the long run. Plus sometimes mission are unreliable when i already have Espio and Blaze maxed. 🤣

[proud sigil]

You know, it took years for the first players t omax their rare characters.
Missions used to give out only 6 rare cards.

[reef bane]

Those days were pain 😂

[thin gulch]

Yeh Hardlight seem to be making an effort to make levelling up easier. I used to skip on certain specials that didnt interest me, but now with bonus missions and the mission changes I've put in the effort to try and unlock everything. Being able to catch up after I lost a bit of interest in the game at times really brought me back in. But maybe I can only ask for so much in that respect🤣

[proud sigil]

Yeah, thanks to bonus missions I have unlocked a dozen of characters within a month or two

[thin gulch]

I've just got seven characters left to get! Im desperately hoping Sonic 3 brings back baby sonic and Longclaw 😬 atleast as bonus missions!

[proud sigil]

I need 6.
The 6 movie characters

[little fern]

Don't most dashes do damage on contact? It would be odd if you couldn't break a badnik with what is essentially hitting someone with your car

[waxen pike]

There are some boosts that can deal damage to badniks but not other players, like Speed Sneakers.

[little fern]

Ah okay

Would a damage reduction make sense?

Like not having it feel like you got hit with an e mine

[signal totem]

The boost of the first skill should be adjusted, just keep using the first skill and you easily win the race. This is very broken and no one can get close to pass.

[thin gulch]

Now to say something on topic. Maybe EGS dash can have the same effect. But like how Surge needs time for her dash to charge, EGS needs stocks. Like how in Sonic Riders you have to do tricks to charge the boost gauge, what if you earn a stock for the first attack by tricking off your trap. Then EGS won't be spamming dash because he both needs to use his other item and use his trap first to charge stocks. Pit Stop stays the same as thats how it work in Riders, maybe it could charge a stock as well. Racing against other EGSs would be more fun as you can use their items to charge your stocks. Overall nerf to EGS in a unique way that keeps the fast boosting style of the Riders games.

[winter kraken]

Remove the fact he can give boosts to other players regardless of the extreme gear thing because that's really dumb
His boost should not be stackable or be able to be used by other players

[proud sigil]

Agreed with the team up removal.

[winter kraken]

He would be spamming slipstream and that would incentivize going faster 💀

[thin gulch]

Sorry, by dash i meant slipstream (as in slipstream is a dash and pit stop is his boost). If he needed to jump off his trap to "trick" and charge a slipstream 'dash', slipstream couldnt be spammed nearly as much

[winter kraken]

I mean
You're already using the trap to go faster with the projectile
just nerf the boost he gets off all his moves

Thered no reason to do allat to "nerf" him since hes still going faster than pre nerf werehog

[proud sigil]

The boost is all right without damage.

[winter kraken]

nerf its speed and remove the damage

You can already stack it

[proud sigil]

The delay is enormous.

[hot void]

Remove the stacking

And the ability to gain a boost from other pit stops

[proud sigil]

I don't think it is needed since the delay is already big it would make him unusable, especially if they cannot use others' Pit Stop anymore.

[hot void]

The boost is still good even witj the delay

Far from unusable

He will always have a miniboost projectile because hardlight will never remove the speed entirely

[proud sigil]

If you remove use from others, damage and stacking then it would get unusable to me.

[hot void]

So having a non top tier boost should be the bare minimum

[hot void]

I dont mind it dealing damage

Keep that idc

[proud sigil]

I do

[steep jackal]

O hecc I got pinged in here

[thin gulch]

The simple option to nerf the speed/duration probably would work absolutely fine. It's just a bit boring. There's already 3 characters who simply had a speed nerf for balance. It's probably a bit convoluted, but i was wanting to suggest another to handle nerfing him. If he couldnt use slipstream without using trap, then he has to grab 2 items to get his slipstream boost. Also meaning that he has to place his trap where jumping off it would work. His boosts are more than halved and he has to play smarter, all while tying in to the air boost system of riders.

[steep jackal]

I don't mind the boost dealing damage. There's a long delay before he can even use it, counting from having to reach the pitstop and then needing it to actually start (which can be interrupted quite easily by certain attacks; in my experience it was a rainbow dropped in my face lol)

[thin gulch]

Soz bit of a yapper🤣
Just nerfing boosts would work but is boring
If he has to use his traps to unlock slipstream, then he boosts less and has to play smarter while keeping his unique design

[steep jackal]

The biggest issue being his projectile making him move unbelievably fast, that should be the first nerf of all his kit. As for what was called the "team up" mechanic, I personally (emphasized because it's just a me thing and I know not everyone likes it) enjoy it because it gets rid of the gatekeeping mentality MOST players seem to have where they defend the guy ahead despite being in like 3rd

We shouldn't be aiming to keep people back while someone in 1st has a free win

[proud sigil]

I have nothing against team up but when it gives entire boosts it feels like it is a bit too much

Because when you are behind an EGS and spawn your Pit Stop, it is far enough to give the one in 1st a boost as well!
And how are you supposed to catch up, then?

[winter kraken]

really dumb idea because his boost deals damage so your team up mechanic backfires

[proud sigil]

That's why we ought to remove the damage

[steep jackal]

Honestly I plan out where to place my pit for that very reason. If you spawn it on them, they'll go flying, and usually not in a good way lol

[steep jackal]

To each their own

[winter kraken]

It's good in theory but theres no one who wants to put this much thought into using a character that's just a more annoying werehog
Just nerf his mini boosts and delete the boost sharing
Easiest fix ever

Or

Just slap a cooldown on him and call it a day

[hot void]

Im not a fan of cooldowns in General tbh

[proud sigil]

My suggestion is still :
Slipstream Whirlwind

• Speed Buff : Speed Reduced
• Damage Reduced
  Pit Stop
• Damage Removed

[winter kraken]

Its eh at best

[thin gulch]

In fairness i was imagining the stock system i was suggesting was in place of a cooldown.

[hot void]

I dont think limiting your ability to play the game is good

[proud sigil]

Same.

[hot void]

Just nerf him properly its so easy

[winter kraken]

Same but like he really wants to add a riders mechanic that's just a glorified cool down

[steep jackal]

In some cases that'd work, but it's a lil meh

[winter kraken]

The damage isnt even allat
It's the fact he can sneeze on you and you just lose

[proud sigil]

Or make it charge, you need to collect it 3 times or so to be able to use it

[winter kraken]

No 💀
Just nerf the character

[proud sigil]

The damage is incredibely high!!

[hot void]

^

[winter kraken]

Its drummer cream damage bruv
It's not that bad

[hot void]

Its just annoying because of how offen you get hit by the Billions of egs

Not more

[winter kraken]

his boost dealing damage is really stupid though icl
Remove that

[proud sigil]

Yes!

[winter kraken]

That's like if they gave ultra gohan buff cancellation

[hot void]

Ultra rat

Rip no fest units cone

Used all your luck on adventures cc

[winter kraken]

I got it twice
I'm so cooked

Free 400 cc every weekend for existing?!
W

[hot void]

I never got it ever since i started playing

[steep jackal]

Can agree to removing stacking, doesn't really need to be a thing. It also feels like something that could have just been easily missed by the devs

[winter kraken]

💀

[winter kraken]

It was intentional 100%

[fierce orbit]

imo this new damage type is not even needed, ring-less damage is kind of an L

[steep jackal]

I didn't even know it was a thing till I did it by accident, so I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't

[winter kraken]

real
Its arguably more annoying since someone can just place an item under you and because no iframes you die

[winter kraken]

slugger/all star has it
Idol shadow (despite being mid) has it

[steep jackal]

Get hit by Drummer or Karate's traps and trying to switch lanes just deletes you lol

[winter kraken]

All I'm saying
Is being able to use someone else's boost/trap is really dumb and the fact metal sonic is unable to do a anything is 10x worse

[steep jackal]

Yeah, but those require you to pick up more than one "dashpad" no one else can see. The devs likely just made a pitstop and focused on the easter egg that anyone on a board can use it because everyone can see it lol

[winter kraken]

Most f2p players only reliable counter to meta shifts is metal sonic

So the fact hes just a victim is actually disgusting

[winter kraken]

The Easter egg in question is hella unneeded especially given what this character does outside of the boost

[steep jackal]

It's not a stretch to say they didn't think about that, in fact I think it'll get removed. Or at least, I hope it does. Also wouldn't be the first time we asked for a change and they changed something else entirely

[winter kraken]

He doesnt even need a boost to win

You could give him pre buff invincibility and hed still be the best character in the game

[winter kraken]

this is the same group of devs that released the monstrosity that is pre fix snowdrift

and then went on holiday

[steep jackal]

Funny how we both thought SDS

[fierce orbit]

Field limit of (1) Pit Stop per player, once you place another one, your previous one should disappear...
I also don't like the sharing, but I'd settle if the shared boost were the same as other riders get, the short one

[steep jackal]

Thing is, there's things they didn't think about, and things they flat out IGNORED. SDS trees is a good example of this, there's NO way a hitbox that massive went under the radar

[steep jackal]

I like the short idea

[winter kraken]

And infinite trees

[fierce orbit]

bruh that bug was well-seen coming by players when his character data broke all those traps like broadside and spears

they claim the hitbox bug was not that way in testing... I doubt lol

[steep jackal]

They said that? Yeah I don't buy that one...

Those things were enormous

[winter kraken]

Here's my final thoughts on how to balance this character
Remove the boost sharing mechanic from this character completely
Nerf his projectile boost speed
They cant really fix boost stacking (for the few characters that have it) so just reduce the boost speed
Remove the boost doing damage that's a really dumb idea

Projectile damage can be changed to whirlwind or smth

[hot void]

I dont think the last 2 are neccesarry but i Support the rest

[winter kraken]

The last 2 were just things I would like to see but they wouldn't really do much

[hot void]

i still think they can easily fix stacking because the baseball chars cant use the pass from other baseball chars

[fierce orbit]

well the boost does more dmg than fire boost with lvl 8 upgrade which is kinda weird

[winter kraken]

idol shadows cant share a boost so I dont think stacking is the issue here

[steep jackal]

I'd lower the damage on the boost at best

[winter kraken]

they designed this character poorly

[hot void]

Yep

[winter kraken]

Theres no logical reason for it to deal damage but its whatever ig

[steep jackal]

Oh that was a given the instant they showed the item descriptions

[winter kraken]

If they really want to be overkill reduce his speed to 8

[reef bane]

I hope they nerf him soon…game is so unfun 🫠

[fierce orbit]

garbage character to play against

[civic veldt]

Projectile+boost= Flying

[fierce orbit]

It’s terribly unfair to play against, peak awful game rn

wow I got hit once at the middle of the race, I guess I lose! time to boost constantly and never catch up? lol

[civic veldt]

And that hit box is kinda awkward

[fierce orbit]

big nerf

idc what you do just fix him, this is stupid 👍 👍

[civic veldt]

I would take away the boost buff from projectile and take away the damage in boost

[reef bane]

Once you get hit by that projectile, just forget about the race lmao

I hate this char so much 🙂

[fierce orbit]

totally ruins the game for so many characters

and then they recap supers right after, lmao tell me they are not sadistic

[civic veldt]

They are like making fun of us don’t you think

That’s why I have a custom game

[tidal vale]

I can’t even enjoy using the supers I just unlock because of him. Well done HL 👍

[winter kraken]

Lol

So after the egs gaps you the supers are gonna gatekeep you

If your chances of winning weren't already 0 the supers will make sure it is 😭

[fierce orbit]

I also hate the mini boost his boost gives to other riders

like it's so short yet it locks you out of getting your actual boost lol

more punishing than helpful

[daring turtle]

They were doing pretty well before this (balance wise)

I am 100% sure they just wanted a cash grab

[thin gulch]

100%. This is also the same time they change the Add grid to give event special cards, so you could feel incentive to go mental for Riders Sonic. Then after the money they'll release a very dull "sorry" nerf. Movie Shadow is going to be the next one.

[fierce orbit]

I mean, they have had RSR and Ring offers at the top of the shop the whole event too. makes sense lol

[thin gulch]

Its also not like OP projectile dashes isn't a lesson they learned three times. And this time there's no cooldown, it's faster and he has other utility options. EGS feels like its going back to old problems. Power Creep and pre planned post nerfs.

[jagged torrent]

This happens to me 9 out of 10 races, just 1 hit from that thing and I'm out, can't reach him plus getting gatekeep by the other players, hope it gets nerf hard just like snowdrift

[fierce orbit]

just not even fun, this is the worst it's been since I started playing

[tidal vale]

They managed to put out a character that completely nuliffy out 100 characters of the 105 in the roster, honestly worthy of admiration

[civic veldt]

YOU THINK?!?!

[daring turtle]

yes

fortune teller and karate were much more balanced then this guy lol

[limber fjord]

for him to be balanced they need to remove the boost from the projectile completely and the damage from the boost why does it do Emine damage

[vital ginkgo]

she got powercrept, that's why

nerf everything that's a problem now and she comes right back into the picture

[vital ginkgo]

you talk like a low budget troll AI

what's next? common sonic's and classic sonic's boosts should do damage because that's how it works in the games? give me a break.

you saw what complete accuracy did when super sonic had to get 50 rings to use his boost

[silk mica]

hapy meal

[tidal vale]

cough cough

[daring turtle]

I'm talking recently

those 2 were near at the start of the year lol

[hollow nebula]

We were not fine when dragons existed

We haven't been "fine" for years

There's always something new and deranged that comes out

[viscid coral]

What happened with the dev race

[winter kraken]

It's like this in legends

People think "where do we go from this" whenever something diabolical gets released and then the devs release something even more broken and people start to think the previous thing wasnt so bad

Its why people say band arent a problem anymore even though they are the same characters they were last year when they were 1/2 best characters in the game
Mid balance changes and this silent powercreep (more apparent with egs) is killing the game 💀

[wise pollen]

I sure do hope the eggs sonic nerf isn't a slap on the wrist

[tidal vale]

Balanced 👍

[proud sigil]

Why do you play with a low level Super Sonic these times 💀

[tidal vale]

Because I unlocked him today and wanted to try him

[kindred sail]

That is pretty much impossible

[tidal vale]

What?

[proud sigil]

He is bad.

[proud sigil]

Lobbies got filled up in an immediate rate to where it was almost impossible to get in one.

[proud sigil]

Yes!

[pseudo gulch]

Day 5 of asking to nerf this abomination

[proud sigil]

*Day 10.

[pseudo gulch]

I don't think i did day 4 but who cares

[pseudo gulch]

I started asking 5 days ago tho

[proud sigil]

#1275352562299703308 message This was 10 days ago.

[pseudo gulch]

Yeah but I didn't ask that time

I did after 5 days

[unkempt quarry]

NERF

[vital ginkgo]

the good ol' power creep

almost feeling like a shounen manga power scale

keeps getting more and more absurd

[odd tangle]

EGS Runner Report

[proud sigil]

Why is team up only it cons?
It can be in pros too since you can use others' boost

[odd tangle]

Ran out of space 😅

[vital ginkgo]

yeah, kind of a double edged sword

[proud sigil]

It's all right, it is nice to see your reports every time 🙃

[odd tangle]

Also I think the message still holds if at least one of them has it

[nova thicket]

The cons can be an advantage aswell

Only two cons are actually cons

[proud sigil]

Does the duration of the Blue Tornado mini-boost take into account the delay or not?

[reef bane]

Just used metal again and I couldn’t steal his projectile

So he’s exclusive to the projectile and can also use other EGS boosts and take no damage to the trap, man…

Metal can steal dark blast and surge kit, why is his different

[proud sigil]

Ask

[reef bane]

Clones are different

This is a miniboost item 🗿

Well idec

Hope they nerf him soon

[proud sigil]

Because he makes a special move with his hoverboard.
He is probably the only one being able to use this ability.

[hot void]

He can steal the projectile, it was just unlucky

[proud sigil]

Oh.

[reef bane]

So that’s like 1 in 100 chances, cause I’ve tried a lot

[proud sigil]

Try in Party Match with one EGS who only has a Slipstream Whirlwind

[hot void]

We can test it in pms

Ye

[reef bane]

Ok, let me use metal,

can we try now?

[hot void]

Yh

[reef bane]

QDDR

Oh he can, and he also gets the speed

[winter kraken]

You cant steal any probably because they're always using it 💀

Kind of like boscage

[reef bane]

Yea true

[limber fjord]

how you ganna steal something they use immediately after every items box

[trim apex]

Got the last chance chest for egs!

[proud sigil]

No thanks 🙂

[proud sigil]

This.

[proud sigil]

I told you.

[trim apex]

Wasn't saying you you should get it

[fading ingot]

I agree with this

Pit stop doing that much of damage its crazy

Also they need to remove egs boosting themselves with another egs pit stop or trap

[fierce orbit]

It's going to be MONTHS before they get this one right

I wish they never even added him

this is gonna haunt us all the way to Christmas probably

I love how they don't respond to a single piece of feedback, then nerf(?)... It's a recipe for success 👍

[fading ingot]

They usually don't say anything here since always but when nerfs or buffs are a necessity they make changes like 1 or 2 weeks after release

[fierce orbit]

bro they waited over 9 months to even attempt to nerf boscage

and even that was slapped together in half an afternoon clearly

[fading ingot]

Not always the case btw

[fierce orbit]

galahad took how long

it's literally always like this

months, see ya guys at christmas. Lol

[winter kraken]

Galahad almost escaped nerfs lmao

[fading ingot]

I remember they nerfed snowdrift pretty fast tbh

[winter kraken]

Dhl isn't as bad but red dragon is so stupid

[fierce orbit]

snowdrift was bugged though*

[winter kraken]

He was BUGGED 💀

[fierce orbit]

they claimed at least

[winter kraken]

They went on holiday btw

[fierce orbit]

intentional, but they did fix it faster than usual

[fading ingot]

They want you to think that

[winter kraken]

they won't on holiday so ofc it seems faster

[fading ingot]

To broken? Sorry guys it was a bug guys

[fierce orbit]

imagine being a designer and watching your hard work get thrown away by the balancing team all the time

nice

[winter kraken]

Moment

[fading ingot]

Dragons meta was lame i agree

Still i remember RMS meta that was even worse

[fierce orbit]

It is what it is, this is just a pattern of behavior

better to get used to it and identify it and not be surprised when it hits the fan each time

[silk mica]

he should’ve

nah im joking

I think

[limber fjord]

the dragon are still meta but they are outclass by egs right now

[hot void]

?

When was that meta supossted to be

[jagged torrent]

Oh god the hitboxes of the trees were extremely frustrating 💀

[pseudo gulch]

Day (I don't remember) of asking to nerf this character

[proud sigil]

*6

[civic veldt]

Yeah I just won with EGS against another EGS and two supers the supers were left in the dust

[fierce orbit]

I wish he simply did not exist. Worst experience I've had in the game

[tidal vale]

😔

[fierce orbit]

game of cheap, stolen wins

couldn't care less what characters HL cooks up until this is fixed

playing right now is

🤮

[civic veldt]

That’s why I have my own custom game that isn’t official it’s just drawings

[vital ginkgo]

it's pretty much a miracle we even have a channel discussion for him, because sometimes HL flips us off and don't even bother making one for some characters

[pseudo gulch]

Imagine playing sfsb

[proud sigil]

There has been a discussion for every new character recently

[vital ginkgo]

not all chars from this year got one

[thin gulch]

Just to put another idea on the table. What if as a nerf, slipstream costs 10 rings. Yeh its a boost and its fast, but you really cant spam it because you will slow down. And its a wholly new design idea for a projectile.

[fierce orbit]

This is peak enjoyable experience. Hit them constantly over and over, they keep coming back. But when I take a single hit… 4th place guaranteed

What a terrible boost confusion boost is btw

[limber fjord]

boost shouldn't do damage or if they want it to it should do the same amount of damage as chopper boost

[tidal vale]

Tomorrow is the beginning of a new season. How much more should we wait until a proper balance patch?

[proud sigil]

Tomorrow? I thought it was in 2 hours ...

[tidal vale]

Is tomorrow for me, I’m from Colombia

[proud sigil]

I pray it happens when Pyromancer comes.

[proud sigil]

I'm sure it will 👀

Waiting on that almost makes me not want to partake in the Challenger Clash, though it should not be that bad for me since I will be playing while races do not feel (or are not) borderline impossible to win.

I will only play the event until I get 5K.

Hope Pyromancer Blaze comes after the event along with those direly-needed EGS nerfs.

[limber fjord]

in dropping all the way to 1k so i don't have to encounter all these egs players

[proud sigil]

Just realized the challenger bots might make this worse.

[proud sigil]

Wait, you fell down to 1,000 trophies???

[daring turtle]

I'm hoping they nerf him

but I'm gonna be honest

knowing HL, I'm kind of worried they won't fix him soon enough

[trim apex]

Egs is fine. He plays exactly how he plays in sonic riders

[trim apex]

Guess there will always be those who are on the low fly groove

[daring turtle]

Aren't you tired of this joke already

" EGS is actually super balanced because... uh he's fast and sonic is fast so that means he's balanced! and if you disagree with me then you simply aren't cool enough and just arent on that high fly grooveeeeee"

[tough valley]

He should be ashamed, his joke is not funny anymore

[daring turtle]

bro this is almost what you've been saying your entire time here in the thread

[daring turtle]

I wouldn't say he should be ashamed but I mean

it's annoying a lil

[proud sigil]

It takes what it takes to make a game playable.

[daring turtle]

like obviously he's joking

and it's bait

but wow he's been doing this for a while

[proud sigil]

So you don't find this funi?

[daring turtle]

my funi senses aren't tingling 🤓

so uhm.....

yes....

[tough valley]

they dont tingling at all

[daring turtle]

yeah cause nobody here is funi

except for me babbyyyyy

[tough valley]

lie

[daring turtle]

nah but fr uhhhhh

nerf this guy plz I really wanna main him

[proud sigil]

That's true. You are the only funi person here.

The others are funny.

[tough valley]

real that

[proud sigil]

I want to put him 5th.

[daring turtle]

5th what

[tough valley]

5th

[daring turtle]

yeah that's

fair I guess

[tough valley]

[proud sigil]

In my mains.

[pseudo gulch]

Day 7 of asking to nerf this character

[hot void]

Lol

Why would he

Yall keep giving him attention

[silk mica]

Just like Galahad, he has the same big cyan ring absorber in Black Knight, so he doesn’t need it smaller

[daring turtle]

yeah

it's bait

and we're falling for it

[proud sigil]

And Supers are slow 😭

[daring turtle]

isosueb7q7qhqu2hrudhqwgr

[tough valley]

brfklrfekglr'ejlerlgkl'er

[silk mica]

pizza

[proud sigil]

It is an English server

[proud sigil]

Same remark.

[tough valley]

burgir

[silk mica]

Yumme

[pulsar slate]

Bro this guy saying EGS plays like he does in Riders is just baiting at this point

That’s like saying it would be ok if Kirby was better than everyone in Smash Bros with an instakill because it’s his canon power 💀

[compact pivot]

Cant you see he is a blind fanboy Of Sonic riders
I mean I love sonic riders too but not like that Dude :/

Also look at the gap ☠️☠️

[pulsar slate]

Fr he needs to get nerfed

[compact pivot]

A huge nerf

Or I will break this game

[silent oar]

Nerf the turbo from the first attack and the spam Boost, bc if u use the boost and before you step on the speed platform From the boost you grab an object that will give you another boost

[compact pivot]

True

[nova thicket]

Me fighting for second

[compact pivot]

This game now is Unplayable if this idiot still that broken

[winter kraken]

No 💀

[proud sigil]

Others trying to catch up with EGS gatekeep.

[silent oar]

Totally agree

[compact pivot]

And those stupid sonic fans who support him like dogs 😑

[silent oar]

Ye

[compact pivot]

Makes no sense :/

[silent oar]

I mean, if a Werehog at max level was already impossible to beat, imagine Sonic Extreme Gear at max 💀

[compact pivot]

RIP

[silent oar]

And many people already have it at max level.

[compact pivot]

Yeah and thats very bad

[silent oar]

Ye

[compact pivot]

Imagine full lobby of lvl 16 egs

Me : Alt F4

[silent oar]

XD

This character is crazy

They need to nerf everything except the tornado, which is fine.

And also that they nerf him so he can use other people's Boosts

You know

Xd

[trim apex]

Y'all need to play sonic riders So you'll know why he's like this

[proud sigil]

We know why.
But we don't want need it.

[daring turtle]

it's bait why are we still relpying aaaaaaaaa

[tidal vale]

This need to be nerf asap, HL is killing his own game everyday they don’t make a proper balance patch

[proud sigil]

I, like it!

[proud sigil]

Would you be defending a character representing a non-Riders Sonic game like this if they were very unfair for a majority of the roster?

[little fern]

yeah hes accurate to the game

but the issue is his moves do TOO MUCH

SW should not do that much damage tbh or potentially bounce someone

and pit stop needs a damage done to other players reduction

Yeah the moves work like that in riders but this game isnt riders and other people dont have the same access to silly moves

[proud sigil]

*Damage removal.

[little fern]

Has this game ever had a boost that does a minor recoverable amount of damage?

Because i thought this issue was his boost hits like e mine

[proud sigil]

Wind Boost.

[little fern]

yeah so make it do wind boost damage

[proud sigil]

EMP boost.

[little fern]

that way people arent getting sent to fourth

[proud sigil]

That too yes.

[proud sigil]

I know! Cyborg Smash deals really low damage

[little fern]

ive recovered from cyborg smashes most of the time, so if theres a joke here please understand im missing it

[proud sigil]

Volt Bolt is, I think, the boost that deals least damage.
It takes off only 5 rings and does not slow down.

[little fern]

oh are we talking about rings or are we talking about slowdown power

[proud sigil]

Both.

?

[waxen pike]

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and died.

[tough valley]

me bad english typer

🗣️

[waxen pike]

Start typing in French then (this is an English only server).

[tough valley]

[waxen pike]

Back to the current topic. I love that they finally added Riders/Extreme Gear Sonic to Speed Battle, but goodness, is he broken. I feel a jerk when I play as him, and I don't think that should be the case for any character. Here's some Balancing Ideas:

• Reduce or remove the Speed Increase from Slipstream Whirlwind. This should encourage the rest of his kit to be used more instead of players just spamming one item for the entire race.
• Remove the damage from Pit Stop entirely. There is no reason it should be dealing damage if it's already quite fast and gets even longer as you upgrade it.
• Replace Blue Tornado with the standard Tornado Trap. They both function similarly, with the only differences being a insignificant boost for Riders/Extreme Gear Sonic and Extreme Gear Characters are immune to it. The whole Extreme Gear Character gimmicks for this character hurt Riders Sonic more than help him anyways.
• Remove the ability for other Riders/Extreme Gear Sonic players to benefit from each others items.

[limber fjord]

facts

[median warren]

I agree with all of ts bro.

was in 2nd place and got hit by EGS pit stop and got sent to 4th place

[strong egret]

[brittle wind]

I’d say only about 10%-20% of the game has a boost that is genuinely difficult to recover from, the problem is that a lot of them are the best characters in the game independently of that trait

Even excluding stuff like wind/ice boost, something like umbrella boost doesn’t hit all that hard

[trim apex]

i disagree on the damage removal from pit stop.

[daring turtle]

do not fall for the bait

[trim apex]

the damage is i think the same as a level 2 or 3 attack in sonic riders. if its level 3 then id say put it down to level 2 and give it the wind effect

[unkempt quarry]

When is Egs nerf?

[proud sigil]

Remove it.

[trim apex]

Keep it but lower the damage

[proud sigil]

No
It is already fast, long enough and stackable.

[trim apex]

Yes
It's a boost attack from sonic riders

I'm just on the side where he doesn't need to be nerfed But if so, then not too much

[proud sigil]

I have to agree with all of these, especially removing the speed buff on Slipstream Whirlwind and removing the damage from Pit Stop.
-If they really want to keep some kind of effect with the trail, maybe they can do what Flames of Disaster does (though with only one ring taken per second within trail range) or what Bashousen does (without ring damage). Either rework would be fine just as long as the speed buff is simply removed.
-Again, why does Pit Stop need to deal damage at all? As someone said, it is an unnecessary thing that just makes it more difficult to catch up to an EGS.
-Replacing Blue Tornado with regular Tornado is honestly a good idea with your fourth balancing idea. Even though it gives a very brief boost, the fact only other Extreme Gear Sonics and other Extreme Gear characters are immune to it (despite the latter not getting a boost from it at all) is as frustratingly option-limiting as Slipstream Whirlwind best being countered by automines like Sharp Shelter (if not more than that). Forget about removing the boost, just replace Blue Tornado with regular Tornado entirely. Neither Metal Sonic can even utilize its benefits at all due to lacking Extreme Gear.
-As much as I get the Easter egg behind other Riders and/or Extreme Gear Sonics benefitting from Pit Stop and Blue Tornado, this is more of a hinderance than a fun little detail due to how that actually limits your options, as an Extreme Gear is the minimum requirement for a fair chance and a majority of the roster does not have one at all.

[pulsar slate]

I kinda want to keep the Blue Tornado because

1. It will be a whole unique item removed from a character
2. They should make it affect all other Exreme Gear users and give the small boost to only the original user of it

[reef bane]

I don’t have a problem with that either, it’s unique

The projectile and boost is the main issue

[reef bane]

Facts

[proud sigil]

Fair enough.

[silk mica]

🗿

[wet wind]

I love him

[proud sigil]

💯 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼 💯

We're getting an update on the fourth so that's probably gonna be his nerf

[tidal vale]

And dragon duo nerf too 🤞

[proud sigil]

Especially DCT 🙏🏼

[tidal vale]

Both are extremely broken

[proud sigil]

💯 😔

[trim apex]

This is not a good idea. Even replacing one of his items of a normal item? That is not going to work And doesn't make sense. Same goes for removing pit stop damage. Removing the speed buff from the slip stream of whirlwind again not a good idea. Just reduce it and give it the wind effect. You might want to go back to the drawing board with those suggestions Cherry.

[misty comet]

Welp my boy is getting nerf soon :((

[trim apex]

Nothing has been confirmed yet

[reef bane]

Hopefully he’s nerfed to the ground! 👹

[misty comet]

💀

[proud sigil]

Blue tornado needs it's mini boost removed and boost sharing needs to go

[trim apex]

I disagree. The mini boost helps in certain situations

[proud sigil]

It does but blue tornados mini boost is quite powerful

[trim apex]

It's not as powerful as you think. It can help you get a clutch of victory
If Placed at the right spot But using it as a mine is not gonna help you as much

[topaz viper]

Needs a nerf

[trim apex]

"Sorry but that's the game"

[proud sigil]

yeah other hoverboard characters being immune to it is kinda odd lol

[topaz viper]

That not going to change my mind he needs a nerd 🙂

[trim apex]

I'm trying so hard not to say 2 certain words.

[trim apex]

Allow me to say it again to you. "Sorry but that's the game"

[topaz viper]

Then I gonna say the same answer he needs a nerf

[silk mica]

What

[topaz viper]

Players are allowed to complain the game what they have been make you can't stop us from complaining

[trim apex]

He does not. he plays exactly as he does in sonic riders. If you Can't handle it Then you might as well kiss the ground and go home

[topaz viper]

This is not sonic riders this is sonic forces

[tropic shore]

I mean there is some unreasonable things that happen in the game and I do want some buffs and nerfs to happen like the flames of disaster punch I want it to hit hard cause it dosen't feel like the flames of disaster from the show or nines gun it's practically useless

[topaz viper]

Exactly but he shouldn't stop my complain

Everyone one them to get nerf

The more people complain the more this game will fall

Onces the complain are whole over the server

[trim apex]

With characters that have elements from sonic riders

[topaz viper]

They gonna nerf this egs soon

[trim apex]

Nothing been confirmed yet again

[topaz viper]

So what they have to copy what the game exactly

[tropic shore]

But that's the fact it makes other characters feel useless cause EGS is to op thus meaning he needs a mandatory nerf so that his powers are limited and all characters can have a purpose

[trim apex]

Simple really. Speed and attack boosts

[tropic shore]

Ah well honestly I would try to see both sides and come up with solutions

[trim apex]

Play sonic Riders, and you'll see what I mean

[topaz viper]

We don't care

You can't stop our complain

If this continues this game is not sonic forces anymore

[trim apex]

I'm really on the fence about those two words

[topaz viper]

Is sonic forces extreme gear

The whole people just gonna use him

[tropic shore]

Look I get that it's supposed to be game accurate but it also needs to be fair so that other characters have a fighting chance

[proud sigil]

This game hasn't been "sonic forces" speed battle in years...

[topaz viper]

Exactly!

[trim apex]

They do have a chance. Block him off from items With mines or just be accurate with projectiles

[topaz viper]

Like dawg I play sonic riders sonic could even get hit but this sonic is stupid

He needs a nerf

[trim apex]

You know what

[silk mica]

I think this channel just needs to be closed

Event is over

[topaz viper]

If you said they have to follow what other game do that mean super sonic and classic super sonic and super shadow, silver should be faster then sonic rider then and use infinite rings when they collect ring turn super should start at 50 then

[silk mica]

Everyone have a nice day

Goodbye

[tropic shore]

Yeah but that can't always happen and also I heard the thing about getting flagged with EGS cause he's way too fast so that's a problem too

But I digress

[topaz viper]

Don't argue with he probably main egs so he basically a loser @tropic shore

[trim apex]

Ouch! unnecessary roughness.

[topaz viper]

You did the first place called me to kiss the ground aren't ya

[tropic shore]

I mean I would sate a point but like I said I digress so ill bounce later

[topaz viper]

I respect equality

[trim apex]

I was quoting a line from sonic riders

[pulsar slate]

Wow I didn’t know this game was called Sonic Riders now 💀

[proud sigil]

Riders Forces : Speed Battle.

[pulsar slate]

Bro he shouldn’t play exactly like he is in a high-speed racing game when we’re talking about a slower paced auto running game

[trim apex]

Where characters can have an element or two from their respective games

[pulsar slate]

Fair point and I know you like the character but imo I don’t think he should be this fast

[proud sigil]

As of now, the boost he gets from Slipstream Whirlwind is the same speed as Super Form.
Which makes it impossible for supers to keep up.

It's actually faster than super form 😭

Yes, late Super Form is super slow compared to most boosts.

[proud sigil]

That nerf was the worst thing to happen to this game 😭

[proud sigil]

I don't care about the starting rings nerf nor about the duration nerf.
But the speed nerf 😭

[proud sigil]

The speed nerf was overkill 😭

[proud sigil]

Yes 😭

[compact pivot]

I wont remove it from My device .
I keep at as a symbol of Game Failing
Just look at this poor mephiles ☠️☠️

[pseudo gulch]

The first time im feeling sad for a mephiles

[proud sigil]

Don't.
Most Mephiles don't boost in last only to spam.

[pseudo gulch]

I mean i can't blame him if he spammed
Bro won't catch up anyways with his mid boost

[proud sigil]

Then he shall admit his fate

||And pick another character.||

[compact pivot]

Yup Dx
When i see 3 EGS in the game
Me : Alt F4

Also im done with this game
I wont play it until this hedghog gets nerfed Heavly

Bro is faster than supers ...

[proud sigil]

Wait for 2 days.

[proud sigil]

Don't remind me 😭

[compact pivot]

What you mean ?

[proud sigil]

Balance change soon during the maintenance.

[compact pivot]

Its the reality dude ... I hate supers speed nerf

Also Infinite ... I want this two

To get buffed

[compact pivot]

Imagine they didnt nerf him ☠️

[proud sigil]

How about you ask the person who made it? I was just expressing my agreement to his suggestions.

And you are being delusional at this point. How many times do we have to go over how unfair he is with you? Just because this is how Riders is played does not justify how unfair he is for basically the rest.

It is like with Infinite. Just because he was a powerful threat in the original Forces does not mean he should apply that behavior in this game, especially when Werehog was already the breaking point.

At launch until some time in 2022 (I think around the Movie 2 events while Movie Tails was meta), he and Metal Sonic were basically everyone's only options since his kit was very broken and had a menacing effect that was so unfair it was like a one-hit-KO.

[tidal vale]

Phatom dash should spend less rings, Warlock isn't even a viable option 😣

[trim apex]

Are we talking level 8 or level 14 speed

[compact pivot]

Make it 50 or 40 at least .. Aslo increase the speed a bit

[compact pivot]

The more lvl you get the power of him gets bigger

[trim apex]

Slow down buddy. I'm ain't being delusional. I was giving my thoughts.

[proud sigil]

Then why tell people something like "might as well kiss the ground and go home" if they do not approve of them?

[proud sigil]

Yes.
Because these upgrades don't change anything!

[compact pivot]

Exactly

Broken is broken

[proud sigil]

Lv.2 Super Form = Lv.16 Super Form.

[trim apex]

That was a quote from sonic riders. Didn't mean it in a offensive way

[proud sigil]

Just to reference Riders. As fun as that is, it does not matter in this case.

[compact pivot]

We speak with logic and evidence... and all evidence points to EGS being another disaster in the game... this guy is worse than werehog

[proud sigil]

Exactly. Sorry if this does not suit you, man.

[compact pivot]

You just like him cuz he is broken

[proud sigil]

This is the harsh reality of the game.

[compact pivot]

Yup

[trim apex]

I never said he was broken

[fading ingot]

Worse than pre-nerf movie tails

[proud sigil]

Facts 😭

[compact pivot]

And that what makes you stupid in my opinion to be honest :/

[compact pivot]

Yup

[trim apex]

Back at cha

[compact pivot]

😑

[trim apex]

[fading ingot]

Imagine making him faster than supers

extreme gear super sonic when?

[compact pivot]

I do A DDOS attack and block all servers in this game

Of corse if i have the ability

[compact pivot]

💀

[fading ingot]

Tbf super sonic in riders was one of the worst characters

[compact pivot]

Yup

[trim apex]

Zero gravity yes. He was kinda good in the first game

[fading ingot]

Also it would be pretty cool if they introduce more extreme gear asides the boards

Like the air shoes

[proud sigil]

Wait! He was in Riders?

[fading ingot]

Yes

[waxen pike]

Yeah. You got the Chaos Emeralds as a Gear for exclusively Sonic upon completing Mission Mode with all Gold Medals in Riders (and Extreme Rank in Zero Gravity). I forgot how you got him in Free Riders, but it seems like it would be similar.

He operates similarly in both games, getting access to all Type Shortcuts and using Rings instead of Air (or Gravity Power/GP in Zero Gravity). In Zero Gravity specifically, the Ring Drain for Gravity Control and Gravity Dive was INSANE. You basically could not use it realiably at all. He got an Magnet/Electric Shield in place of where you WOULD get your Type Shortcut upgrade to try to remedy this, but the drain was still atrocious.

[stable sparrow]

if Extreme Gear Sonic changes the music to Metal City when he's played as then why not also make Infinite/Warlock Infinite and Mephiles change the music to their challenger themes when they're played as?

[waxen pike]

I dunno

[pseudo gulch]

You mean pick egs coz all characters except him have the same fate 💀

[trim apex]

If they did that then they would have to put in a theme music option for that character.

[proud sigil]

Oh 😔
Thanks for the info!

[foggy shard]

The only thing I hope they take positively from EGS is unique character Music Tracks. Because that slaps

[white cape]

Just wanted to check here and oh my goodness.....I do agree on this tho pretty sure we all can at least 🫠

[fierce orbit]

It was facts

[silent oar]

Pls Nerf him 😭

[obtuse vector]

._.

[silk mica]

rip

[queen thorn]

💋I love egs💕 💖

[proud sigil]

I can't conceal my disappointment upon realising that there has been no balance change during the last maintenance, especially regarding .

[compact pivot]

True ....

[fierce orbit]

Deeply disappointed, there's all these new characters that I'm just skipping now

Ain't playing the game like this. I held out hoping for a nerf, but it's clear that just not happening

Enjoy your new 4th place simulator characters, I'm over it

[silk mica]

same girly 💅

[daring turtle]

get out

[silk mica]

😲

[topaz viper]

Don't read my dm

But I really wanna do it tbh

[compact pivot]

Yup ....
For now i stopt Sfsb and focosing on other games now out of sonic ....
Man HL want to milk Egs as long as possible

[proud sigil]

Nerf EGS

I hate this game

Nerf all the meta

I hate this game too bro 😭

[tough valley]

you get out

[daring turtle]

you see this discussion name?

yeah

[tough valley]

he slays 💅

[daring turtle]

get out

[tough valley]

nuh uh

you

[daring turtle]

this is basically my domain expansion

[tough valley]

you domain is the black hole

[daring turtle]

how about you go back to your discussion channel huh

[tough valley]

you should keep inside the black hole and never coming back

[tough valley]

nuh uh

[daring turtle]

oh right

it closed

[tough valley]

damn

[little fern]

I really don't think the issue is that pit stop does damage

I can see how he is really hard to catch

But I don't think that's because his boost can do damage

It's the fact he's a 10 speed with 2 really good speed boosts

[proud sigil]

Nerf Extreme Gear Sonic.

[pseudo gulch]

Nerf extreme gear sonic

[reef bane]

Nerf extreme gear Sonic

[wild crest]

Nerf Extreme Gear Sonic.

[proud sigil]

This maintenance was the opportune moment to nerf him, and yet it has not been done.
This is really provocative.

[reef bane]

Fr, and they are adding new characters soon

I thought he would be nerfed before they are added

[proud sigil]

And putting 2 Super events in a row after releasing their fierce scourge is really, really disappointing.

[pseudo gulch]

We all thought the maintenance was here for egs nerfs
But hl as always disappointed us

[reef bane]

Tbh EGS needed an emergency nerf, he gives me darkspine bug vibes

[trim apex]

Let's go! Egs Survived the maintenance!

[reef bane]

Last season was hell and we are going through it again this season

[proud sigil]

I tried to make some efforts and give positive and constructive feedback, but this is just too much.
If only good feedback is taken into account, then I can't do more.
It was so evident and needed that it was so unlikely he could not get nerfed.
This is really disapointing.

[pseudo gulch]

I hate this game now and i barely open it because of the amount of egs and dragons in the lobbies

It's literally unplayable unless you used egs or dragons too

[reef bane]

I only play for missions currently, game is so unfun

[pseudo gulch]

And even the dragons with their stupid boost can't catch up to egs

[proud sigil]

I understand that some feedback lack constructivity and are subjective.
But this is so obvious that it just can't be said clearer : Nerf Extreme Gear Sonic.

[trim apex]

I hate dragons. Hence why I use extreme gear sonic. "Insert ripto rage here"

[proud sigil]

I waited passively for over 2 weeks now, longing for a quick patch update, but nothing, nothing!!!
Such a huuuuge disappointment.

[pseudo gulch]

I don't even bother doing my missions
My motivation to do anything in this stupid game is gone once i see an egs in my lobby

[proud sigil]

This game has so much potential I can't delete it or stop playing.

[trim apex]

Same

[trim apex]

Is this what they call power creep?

[pseudo gulch]

I hate both
That's why I don't play the game at all

[pseudo gulch]

Yes

[proud sigil]

I think that if they keep releasing characters like this and avoid balance patches the community will start tiring up and then it will be too late...
Better be careful...

Temporary hype won't beat long run bitterness.

[compact pivot]

Damn you ... You still exist

[tidal vale]

How is it possible that they don't balance a character that makes 104 out of 105 completely useless? EGS is a character that totally changes the gameplay of the game into a boring and uncompetitive one.

[compact pivot]

True

And i dont play sfsb for now

Until they nerf theme

[civic veldt]

That’s proof they are lazy almost all the time

[civic veldt]

Then you might like my game when is made

[compact pivot]

I will

Cuz now i dont play sfsb

[civic veldt]

I’ve mentioned my game in #💬off-topic

[compact pivot]

Ok

[civic veldt]

I have a few things that are better

Meh

[compact pivot]

I know its meh

But i want the meaning more than the meme

:/

[civic veldt]

I have a few of my OC characters

Im this game

[compact pivot]

For android or pc ?

Nvm

[civic veldt]

Any type of platform

If possible

[compact pivot]

Nice

[civic veldt]

And the difference could be that the game you can actually make your own a avatar

Which BTW this current game don’t have

[compact pivot]

Thats ...
Great 👍

So you mension it in off topic

[civic veldt]

Yep

[compact pivot]

Ok

I try to find It DX

[civic veldt]

I can write it down by separate

[civic veldt]

I can write it down to you in DM’s

[compact pivot]

Yup plz dx

[civic veldt]

Im writing it down for you

[compact pivot]

do it

[thin gulch]

EGS was clearly made to be OP and nerfed later. Farmiliar powerful archetype added with more utility and no drawbacks, and quality of life features added in things like the add grid that make it easier to level up event characters.
HardLight, this design will kill the game. Even if its for a very cool character that people want. It will make the most consistent fans disinterested in playing. It is also a borderline scam as the biggest upgrades cost money, and an OP character is an incentive.

[compact pivot]

Fully agree

And those idiots are playing with my mind now !
....

I had enough of theme ...

[civic veldt]

I wrote down some explanations on my game

[compact pivot]

👍

[civic veldt]

Are you seeing it?

[compact pivot]

Still reading it

[civic veldt]

Ok it’s a lot of detail

[compact pivot]

It really is

Dx

Thanks for this

=]

[civic veldt]

Im still writing LOL

If anyone want to read my details of my game (still not made but will be made in a further future let me know)

[compact pivot]

Alright

=]

[vital ginkgo]

please show a single good opinion bro 😭

you can't defend a character's dogwater design philosophy in a game that is NOT riders because "h-hHe Is jUsT LikE RiiIdErs!!"

no other extreme gear user had to resort to that, why is this guy an exception?

[civic veldt]

Yeah why

[proud sigil]

Not sure why he wasn't nerfed...A few speedbattle youtubers said "hardlight devs confirmed that he will be getting nerfed" ...

[vital ginkgo]

saw some more messages of that guy, and oh boy what a handful

saying that we shouldn't be asking for a nerf on a clearly broken mess bevause "That's the game" and getting mad because people don't have the same insane thought proccess

brother, just say to our faces that you love being carried by him and don't want the power trip to end

so sick of these randos you never heard of before coming out of nowhere to defend poorly balanced characters in every release

[proud sigil]

When skilless noobs get stupid high trophy counts with a character, it's safe to say said character needs a nerf

[vital ginkgo]

happens every time i swear man

[civic veldt]

Thats why I prefer to play the game myself and if I was the creator try every character to see if they are balanced

[civic veldt]

And I agree with your name tag

[vital ginkgo]

It's pretty hard because of how many characters the game has currently, and they just keep adding more into the pile

[civic veldt]

Im my game it’s different

[vital ginkgo]

HL doesn't take time to add anything else or balance stuff out efficiently

[civic veldt]

It will have a lot off characters

But here’s the catch

Most of them are skins

They might have same items but a different look

Depending on what skin it has it will be that item for ex

Dragon fire sonic: Fireball, Dragon Fireball

[proud sigil]

Glad you like it!

[civic veldt]

I am also writing descriptions of what my game of SFSB would look like

I bet it’s better than the current one

[proud sigil]

Absolutely. It really saddens me that we keep getting new characters we don't need instead of balance patches and more new features, better tracks, etc

[civic veldt]

I’ve actually written about my game

It’s kinda long but it can explain everything

[fading ingot]

I can see what are You saying but dragon proyectile it's a lot different than standard fireball

Different speed and damage and less spameable

[civic veldt]

Yep

That’s the difference it maybe different but it’s the same hit box as the fireball

Maybe it could be better if it had an animation

Like sonic puts his hands like he currently does and a dragon head appears and shoots the fireball

[trim apex]

[proud sigil]

I know right?

[compact pivot]

You still the same who have 0 brain to think 💀

[proud sigil]

Mario Kart 64 happens to be the Mario Kart entry with the most infamous case of Mario Kart rubberbanding. In that game, no matter how far in the lead you are, the CPUs somehow catch up to you out of nowhere and potentially steal your victory. Even when they get hit with items like shells, they still appear in unexplainable speeds. That is basically how Extreme Gear Sonic plays. If this is not a good comparison, I have no idea what is.

EGS has really broken and divided the player base.

[proud sigil]

Truth

[vivid night]

I’m one of those who’ll target any EGS, I really don’t care anymore. As long as they get Last I’m happy.

[proud sigil]

I Tried using EGS and NGL I felt the targeting but hey it’s deserved lmaooo

[vivid night]

Even if I use Surge this is too far for me. They really pushed it too far this time.

Surge and the Dragons were manageable, this meta isn’t.

[proud sigil]

Honestly, I’m puzzled why the Babylon Rogues aren’t just as fast as EGS

[vivid night]

It’s a Sonic variant so it’s pretty obvious they made him as a cash grab.

I wish there was more passion into this game because it’s lacking it now and it’s really showing.

[trim apex]

Hey man, chill out with the aggression. It's not cool

[proud sigil]

I guess my messages have been read

[queen thorn]

period

🤗

[vital ginkgo]

our screams have been heard

tho we'll still have wait until pratically a whole month for it

[daring turtle]

what an early christmas gift!!!!!

if they give us meta a month later I'm gonna start tweaking out

[vital ginkgo]

they'll probably do sooner or later

[hollow nebula]

Nah I didn't know you was Red zenkai zamasu like that

[hollow nebula]

:MyNamekian:

[silk mica]

aye idk what u mean cuh 🙅

[hot void]

💀💀💀

[compact pivot]

Same bro

[proud sigil]

It was probably already planned but they felt like they needed to tell us, who knows? 🤷‍♂️

[errant void]

god this character is such a pain to go against

egs is literally the reason why im stuck at 4k

character for four year olds who suck at games istg

[reef bane]

||pre-nerf snowdrift 💀, nobody wants that||

[errant void]

would be better then this character

[reef bane]

No 💀

Both are terrible

[errant void]

comically loud incorrect buzzer noise

egs is worse then pre nerf snowdrift

[reef bane]

Ngl, I hated SDS more, it was almost impossible to race that season

[proud sigil]

I prefer someone fleeing cowardly than someone who finds it fun to spam obstacles that cannot be dodged and spammed endlessly.

[reef bane]

A char you can never catch up to 🙂
-EGS

Sometimes I’m just in 2nd and I know there is absolutely nothing I can do to catch up

[errant void]

I would rather spam giftboxes endlessly.

Then just winning every game just because I used an overpowered mini boost.

[proud sigil]

Hence your tag

[errant void]

atleast with pre nerf sds you could actually avoid trees by just going to the giftboxes or by jumping and win

[errant void]

🤔

maybe

[proud sigil]

"just"

[silk mica]

same tho ngl

i have raged at plenty of snowdrifts but egs i either get them before they boost away or dont even care

it’s probably cuz snowdrifts trees were actually pretty undodgeable when egs isn’t attacking u and zooming away instead