Extreme Gear Sonic

[tough valley]

no need to defend, everyone has an opinion

[daring turtle]

I'm going to kill you

with consent

[tough valley]

kill jester not me

[nova thicket]

Who’s your second fav

[tough valley]

lego tails's face

[proud sigil]

No, your definition is more like stupid Zap Trap spam, and not using his real ability instead.

[proud sigil]

Chrono Silver.

[nova thicket]

Something about the legos look so unappealing

[tough valley]

real

[nova thicket]

Honestly bro deserves more respect

Also is it weird that I enjoy using weak characters more than meta ones

[tough valley]

weak characters are more fun

[nova thicket]

Ikr

[proud sigil]

Yes.

[tough valley]

meta ew

[nova thicket]

Real

[proud sigil]

: Agreed.

My top 5 being :
Super Sonic, Chrono Silver, Sonic, Excalibur Sonic and Darkspine Sonic.

[nova thicket]

Technically the only meta I use is paladin

Which I barely use now

[tough valley]

people consider burning blaze as meta but i dont see it

[nova thicket]

Probably cuz they think that she is the best super and lava bomb

Also higher starting rings with a projectile that can be set up

[tough valley]

the best super imo is mss

zap trap is deadly

[nova thicket]

The spam is killing me

[tough valley]

max is dealing 3 seconds damage

[nova thicket]

If bro frontruns then you’re basically dead

[proud sigil]

All I can think of is the trail and the Lava Bomb, but that is not really saying much about Burning Blaze being OP.

[proud sigil]

No way

[tough valley]

i'm not jk

[nova thicket]

She isn’t tbh

[proud sigil]

Nahh, just change lanes often and you are all set

[nova thicket]

She is like one tier below meta

[tough valley]

she's A easily

[nova thicket]

Yep

[proud sigil]

The trail does not change that much.
Just a nice perk.

[nova thicket]

Tbh it’s better than nothing

[tough valley]

agree

[proud sigil]

She would quickly become meta if mini-boosters, dragons and invincibility characters got nerfed.

[tough valley]

she's diff than supers

[proud sigil]

Yes.

[nova thicket]

I guess you could just use it as a way to get rid of rings

[proud sigil]

"Have a taste of my ring drain!"

[tough valley]

Firewhirl is really understimated in her kit, that thing lasts for 6 seconds and deals huge damage

[nova thicket]

That reminds me of

[proud sigil]

Sword Launch.

[nova thicket]

You can use it as a set up

[nova thicket]

That thing drains your rings like crazy

[proud sigil]

Yes. Big range.

[proud sigil]

Especially when spammed.

[tough valley]

Yea you can break easily 5 or 3 badniks

[proud sigil]

And when using a Super.

[nova thicket]

Honestly that might be the thing that carries him

[proud sigil]

It sadly is.

[nova thicket]

Yea and sometimes you can set it on one lane dashpads so you can get a hit

[proud sigil]

Not "might" but "is*.
When I use him, I just keep spamming it.

[tough valley]

true

[nova thicket]

If it wasn’t for that move I’d pretty sure he would just be Galahad but a direct downgrade

[proud sigil]

Falling Sword is a strategy even the pros of strategy cannot even comprehend.

[nova thicket]

Tbh I think it is a decent move

[proud sigil]

Take the worst item of Excalibur Sonic,the worst item of Tails, take Galahad's sword attack, give it a multiple pickup and a ring drainig effect and and you have it!

[nova thicket]

The fact that Galahad and valiant stats are pretty similar also says a lot

[proud sigil]

How about the typos in the upgrade details

[nova thicket]

Fr 💀

[nova thicket]

It’s like they already knew they gonna make it just a literal copy of kings judgement

[proud sigil]

What were they even doing with him?

Like can they quit making Tails a punching bag?

[nova thicket]

Well dragon claw exists

Also they mentioned common and rare in surprise find for some reason

Are they like adding that in

[proud sigil]

Dragonclaw being OP does not really save him from being a punching bag, as that is the reason for him being despised.

[nova thicket]

Well movie tails exists

Nah his projectile needs a big nerf

[wise pollen]

make eggs sonic invincible when using his boost 👍

[nova thicket]

No.

[wild crest]

No.

[proud sigil]

He is okay now since he is not OP anymore.

[little fern]

Oddly enough I had a moment where that occurred and I have nonidea how to do it again

[nova thicket]

Bro legit has an ability to shield himself from being a punching bag

[proud sigil]

I remember someone told me any Tails variant is either underpowered or overpowered, no in-between.

[wise pollen]

I also tanked 100 trophies thanks to this racer

[nova thicket]

Ugh meta users

[hushed wind]

Hello!
Im hyun and ima tell what i think of Extreme Gear Sonic!

Positive points:
-1) loves his moves.
-2)he has good attacks
-3)he’s fun to play with
Negative points:
-1) his projectile needs a small nerf
-2)pit is a okay attack since he doesn’t give a lot of boost.
Conclusion:
Extreme Gear Sonic is too much awesome, but still, this character needs a good nerf.
Supposition(s)
Make him invisible when he uses his boost.

[wise pollen]

I'm now in the mid 5.8k range

[proud sigil]

Other than not really being a good idea, I am not sure what to say about making him invisible when using his boost.

[hushed wind]

If u read it correctly, it is a supposition. Not a fact

[proud sigil]

My bad. I never really heard of that word before.

[hushed wind]

lol

ur english?

[proud sigil]

Yeah.

[hushed wind]

they how u dont know it

[proud sigil]

Just never heard of some words before.

[queen thorn]

this game is so unenjoyable currently

[hushed wind]

Okay. And you, what do u think about egs?

[proud sigil]

Definitely OP.

[hushed wind]

True

SO op

Btw we Will fight for the rework valiant tails 💪

[proud sigil]

EGS is just not worth my frustration, but I am only playing his event because a Super recap is next.

And hackers will rise again, which will only exacerbate the whole EGS meta.

[hushed wind]

This is so annoying

but i need to unlock super silver and super sonic classic

[proud sigil]

They did indeed.

[halcyon idol]

Fix Reality Warp 😵‍💫

and infinite bug, equivalent to a Nerf oh my god

[midnight chasm]

Hello

[silk mica]

Ok

[fading ingot]

What about giving him worse stats? Acceleration 4 strenght 2

That way if you hit him he needs to work to build speed again

[daring turtle]

this man gonna be weaker then his common form 💔

[fading ingot]

Good, if he is that unfairly fast at least make him a glass cannon

[daring turtle]

not sure he's that good to nerf this man to strength 2 LOL

nerfing the speed stat to 9 would be enough

and ofc the projectile

[fading ingot]

He already recovers very fast with strenght 5 , speed 9 will do nothing

[waxen pike]

I think they could simply reduce the speed gain from the projectile and fix the bug where you can use other Riders Sonic players' items to boost yourself and it should be good to go.

[celest iris]

Sonic with a Hoverboard is the same strength as an actual baby 😭

[vital ginkgo]

stats won't do anything

[daring turtle]

They kinda will

EGS does not do well against E-Mines at all lol

If he didn't have his projectile he'd actually be slowed down a lot lol

[limber fjord]

honestly want to know why his boost does fireboost damage

[safe gale]

In my time of experimenting with the character, I will say that it is a strong counter to the dfs/dct meta.
Their overtuned boosts and damage don't hold a candle to EGS raw speed, which just replaces a big problem with an even bigger problem lmao

[proud sigil]

Welcome back to 2021.

[midnight chasm]

I can't use Sonic Extreme Gear, even though I use it, I don't understand how it works.

[toxic solstice]

Extremely Broken and OP, just it

[night ore]

use unicorn cream to stop egs

[little fern]

i can help

what level is yours

Just did the math on how many more cards I need to max out EGS 1'888 more cards to go before the event ends

[wise pollen]

praying on eggs sonics downfall 🙏

[trim apex]

thats not a bug! thats a feature!

[pulsar slate]

Does he also gain speed from OTHER EGS’s trails?

Also idk why I have much more fun playing him than with the Dragons

I barely play the Dragons since they’re meta but they just have an easy win boost

EGS can still get hit from powerful attacks like Explosive Mine and take huge damage

Still he needs to be nerfed

[proud sigil]

This is really like speed hacking without actually having speed hacks, as Slipstream Whirlwind could just let EGS catch up that easily. I had that race until Dread screwed me over with Broadside.

Blue Tornado just makes matters worse.

Going to be suffering this hell in a couple hours.

[hazy karma]

It looks like it, but no

[proud sigil]

Honestly hope not because getting a boost from Pit Stop is already unfair enough, even if the duration for the others may not be as much as the EGS who activated it. Blue Tornado is no better, unless the other Extreme Gear Sonics actually do not gain a boost from the original's Blue Tornado.

[proud sigil]

Blue Tornado is his only balanced item in my opinion.

[proud sigil]

The duration is the same for every EGS

[proud sigil]

I don't know which of them I despise the most : EGS or his old meta counters.
I would probably pick EGS' side because it is more fun than gatekeeping and it actually feels like playing Sonic Riders.

The second part's reasoning makes no sense to me.

Is he less insufferable than his meta counters or more infuriating than his meta counters?

[obtuse vector]

so when's the nerf (second video is exactly what you think)

he literally looks like speed hack in a nutshell

[midnight chasm]

Sonic extreme Gear level 2,my level is 11

[signal totem]

Adjust Extreme Gear quickly, as there is no way to face this character full of boost, especially if you encounter 3 of them.

[midnight chasm]

I just started a race and I got 2

😲

I already understood how to use it

😨😨😨

[obtuse vector]

people that say he's not broken rlly have something going on

[daring turtle]

I won't lie though he is pretty fun

Its like the bug but just more controllable

[reef bane]

They know he’s broken

[obtuse vector]

_ _

[daring turtle]

That's sarcasm

His reasoning is literally "I'm free as the wind"

[obtuse vector]

_ _

[daring turtle]

He doesn't have any actual reasoning lol

It's literally just bait and we're all falling for it 😭

[reef bane]

All I see are sarcasm lol

[daring turtle]

anyway daily message to please nerf this guy's projectile

[reef bane]

Nerf him to the ground

“The ground”

[daring turtle]

I still wanna use him 😭

well

atleast he won't be weaker then jester prob

[reef bane]

Fun fact: after nerfs, he will still be very good 🫠

[daring turtle]

Depends what your nerfing...

[reef bane]

Jester has always and always be weak, he’s just among the weak ones lol

[daring turtle]

If it's just the projectile he'd still be good but he wouldn't be meta, since the main source of his speed is nerfed, so will he

that was spelt so weirdly eugh

anyway

[reef bane]

Well he can use other EGS boost, that’s pretty op also, and he’s invulnerable to other EGS trap

[daring turtle]

trap is fine, just remove the weird feature with the sharing traps stuff 💀

yeah that's what I find stupid

[reef bane]

Exactly, I don’t know why that exists, especially the boost sharing 🗿

[daring turtle]

His kit is actually pretty balanced aside from the projectile

But this gimmick is just so

Weird

It's literally encouraging mirror matches

[reef bane]

The speed on his projectile is waaayyyy overtuned, dark blast on steroids

[hot void]

His boost is stupidly broken aswell

[pseudo gulch]

Day 2 of asking to nerf this character

[little fern]

Focus on collecting all your items and spaming slip streamwhirl wind

[wise pollen]

it seems the only racers (that I know of) that could counter eggs sonic to some degree are infinite (original and warlock by spamming his projectile and trap) and dread knuckles (by spamming his trap)

other then that it's impossible to beat this guy since he can get back in the competition very quickly

[torpid saddle]

spam slipstream whirlwind and pit stop

[next egret]

Its really cool how other riders character can use the pitstop and not get damaged by the blue tornado isnt it?

But other extreme gear sonic can use the tornado

[daring turtle]

I'd say to remove the damage and it'd be fine

Just feels like home run but with less steps

I don't wanna keep mentioning the weird gimmick but that's honestly why pit stop is so good right now

[hot void]

The stacking needs to be removed

Him being able to use the pit stop from others needs to be removed because it causes the stacking

[wise pollen]

I love stealing other people's boosts

[sacred silo]

Sometimes You can get free when you are in 1st place 😂😂

[midnight chasm]

Thanks

[trim apex]

What do you mean he's perfectly balanced

A lot of people in here ain't on that high fly groove

[daring turtle]

see

[proud sigil]

True.

They prefer nonsense gatekeep.
If I had to choose between Paladin's side or EGS' I would choose EGS

[pseudo gulch]

Nerf

[hot void]

💀

The invincibility/dragons meta was just 10 times better than what we have rn

[sacred silo]

Lmao same
Cuz EGS from riders and paladin is wannabe

[hot void]

This is like the worst meta since infinite and werehog

I will die on the Hill that its even worse than snowdrifts

[reef bane]

Snowdrift meta I hated every race

[hot void]

So did i but like

The levels on egs are defo higher than the sds levels

Triple Charge im pretty sure wasnt an Option during that time

[reef bane]

Yea, all of a sudden everyone has lvl10 EGS, like bruh 💀

[hot void]

And sds could make themselves lose

Egs just cant

[proud sigil]

I prefer mini-boosting than devastating damage

[hot void]

Its so annoying that they cant even hit each other with a trap

[proud sigil]

And boost each other what's more

[reef bane]

Dragons meta was and still way better than this

[hot void]

I dont see alot of people talking about how unfair it is that egs can use the pitstop from others

[pseudo gulch]

I prefer none

[reef bane]

I still don’t understand why that is even a thing

[hot void]

Because

They wanted him to be broken ig

All this loser chars we got over the pass months was just them charging up for this thing

This is the hardlight i remember

I was lowkey hoping that they were done with this type of overpowered chars but i should have known it better

[proud sigil]

No way.

[hot void]

Yh

[proud sigil]

But it is.

[reef bane]

Wdym no way, isn’t it obvious enough 🗿

[reef bane]

Same 🫠

[pseudo gulch]

Bro the dragons themselves can't catch up to egs when hes in the lead
That should explain how much hes game breaking

[hot void]

Honestly another point why i prefer the dragons meta

You could still smack higher leveled dragons with a low leveled dragon if you were good enough

Doing the same with egs against a higher leveled egs is far harder

They get the first projectile while you get bodyblocked and you basically lost

[pseudo gulch]

Its kinda weird how they're bringing back a supers recap right after release the ultimate supers killer

Like idk what hl is thinking at this point

[hot void]

For Real like

Supers are unusable rn

Even at Max they just die

[pseudo gulch]

One slipstream and boom they're dead

Even before egs, they were struggling against surge and other mini boosters

Honestly the mini boost mechanic shouldn't exist in the game

[proud sigil]

Yes, but remember the dragons pre-nerf, especially Dragonclown Tails

[proud sigil]

Yes 😭

[pseudo gulch]

They were tolerable than egs imo

[proud sigil]

No, it is fun, not obvious.

[proud sigil]

Well no. Not to me.

[hot void]

Perfectly

And i completely Support his statement

[hot void]

And this aswell

Miniboosting should just be removed entirely out of this game

[proud sigil]

They don't want us to use Supers anyway.
This is why they add mini-boosting , explosive mine damage everywhere, better and better boosts every time,...

[proud sigil]

No 💀
It is a speed game.

[pseudo gulch]

At least you could catch up to them again cuz they have only one boost
Unlike egs which can zoom away and no way in catching him again

Bro literally got power sneakers in his projectile slot

[proud sigil]

I could not catch up.

[pseudo gulch]

Welp what can i say

Skill issue

Obviously

[hot void]

Dragons had one boost

[pseudo gulch]

Exactly

[hot void]

Egs has boosts the whole game

[pseudo gulch]

While egs has unlimited boosts

[hot void]

How is this even a debate

[pseudo gulch]

Fr

I would rather have a lobby full of dragons and actually have a chance in winning than egs's and keep boosting for the whole match

[proud sigil]

One boost that was the equivalent of 2 Super Forms

[proud sigil]

Of course, i suffer from skill issue with Super Sonic, everyone knows that.

[proud sigil]

Not me.

[pseudo gulch]

Hold up

[hot void]

?

Thats just fake news

[pseudo gulch]

You sent a message and deleted it instantly

You said same and some other stuff

[hot void]

Dct boost lasted at Max MAYBE like 6 seconds

[proud sigil]

No 💀
It was sooooo fast!

[proud sigil]

Duration is not all.

[pseudo gulch]

Welp that's the problem

[proud sigil]

Yes.
I got wrong.

[hot void]

It wasnt twice as fast as super form either

[pseudo gulch]

You were using a mid character

[proud sigil]

No, but has no delay.

[hot void]

And super Form lasts longer

[hot void]

I dont get where this comes from

[proud sigil]

But it does not compensate the speed and delay difference.

[proud sigil]

Forget it then

[pseudo gulch]

1 super form you mean

[proud sigil]

More than 1.

Definitely.

[hot void]

Absolutely not

[pseudo gulch]

Ain't no way pre nerf dragons boosts lasted for 14 seconds

You're absolutely wrong

[proud sigil]

What!? I never said that what the --

[pseudo gulch]

You mean in duration or what

[hot void]

You kinda did bro

[proud sigil]

No.

[hot void]

The equivalent of 2 super boosts

7+7=14

[proud sigil]

Yes, but not duration 💀
Duration and speed combined.

[pseudo gulch]

No way

[hot void]

...that still does not make sense

[proud sigil]

If you say so 🙄

[proud sigil]

That's the problem of the game.

[hot void]

No you just remember it wrong

😭

[proud sigil]

When I transformed next to a Dragonclown who started boosting at the same time I could not catch up.
I am not stupid.

[hot void]

[proud sigil]

Everyone knows you use Supers a lot, especially when the Dragon duo got released 🙄

[pseudo gulch]

I did too

And i can confirm that their boosts had the same duration as super form

[hot void]

You mean i used supers?

[proud sigil]

But were faster.

[hot void]

The only thing i used during the dragons meta Were infinite and grim

[pseudo gulch]

But not equivalent to 2 super boosts

[proud sigil]

The eye-rolling emoji was suggesting the opposite.

[pseudo gulch]

Idk about that one

[hot void]

No😭

[proud sigil]

Yes, Claw Boost was the fastest boost ever.

[pseudo gulch]

🤔

[proud sigil]

That is why I wonder if your comparison between Super Form and something else can be really trusted

[proud sigil]

Yes, just watch the video I made for his event

Anyway, this is an discussion.

[pseudo gulch]

Done

[proud sigil]

I will not make any other videos until Extreme Gear Sonic gets nerfed hard.

[pseudo gulch]

W

[sharp apex]

How wld a nerf for him work like? Removing the mini boost that his trap gives him or smth?

[grand light]

hardlight also cooks with these models

[sharp apex]

Yea, the in-game models and renders never disappoint lol

[daring turtle]

TRUE

the model looks great and so do the animations

my only problem with this entire character is his balancing lol

[limber fjord]

remove the mini boost completely

[proud sigil]

This is a must. A boost from Pit Stop is fine, but not from Slipstream Whirlwind and Blue Tornado. Seeing how those can combo off of each other is the most sickening thing to see in every race this year.

[proud sigil]

Blue Tornado is just fine.

Removing the speed boost from his projectile is the simplest and easiest balance change they can implement to Extreme Gear Sonic. If it just gets speed nerfs and/or duration nerfs, I will start to lose hope for the game.

Faith too.

[proud sigil]

Removing the boost entirely would just make him bad
Just make it super slight.

Or if they do just nerf the speed or duration, make them like how Dark Blast is now.

And also for the love of god remove the damage from Pit Stop. Like what in the hell is the logic behind that in the first place?

[proud sigil]

Yes. Remove damage from Pit Stop and reduce the one from Slipstream Whirlwind.

[nova thicket]

Tbh Slipstream Whirlwind and Earthshaker Fist puts Drumbeat to shame

[proud sigil]

Slipstream Whirlwind especially.

[proud sigil]

Noooo... 😅

[limber fjord]

umm noo it wouldnt remember the boost from his projectile make his trap hit other extreme gear character and he will be fine

[limber fjord]

earthquake fist and drumbeat does the same amount of damage

[nova thicket]

Yea but Earthshaker Fist is way easier to hit

[limber fjord]

not really it just harder to see since it low to the ground

[nova thicket]

Which is why it is easier to hit

[proud sigil]

If so his projectile would just be bad and they would spam their trap.

[proud sigil]

Time for me to take a break from this unplayable game.

I've been resisting but this is too much.

[sacred silo]

Play sonic rumble if you have it

[limber fjord]

how is the project going to be be bad when it deal damage

[brittle ingot]

And sharing pit stop

They can atleast just change the colour of opposing egs players traps so its easier to tell the difference between your and theirs if they stop egs from sharing

Cos i help other egs so i can spam more pit stop then i betray them at the end

And other pitstops just cant be interacted with. Teaming problem solved

[proud sigil]

No way 💀

I have seen enough.
I tried to be kind and supportive but it seems like the one in charge of balancing is doing everything for us to hate the game.
I like the game... but... everything is ruining it progressively 🥲

[tidal vale]

We need nerfs asap

[loud sky]

Played a bit with him I will now write my Yap session

Overall he’s a good character imo, but he has his really obvious issues. Slipstream Whirlwind gives a fast boost and I think the speed it gives you should be decreased. Boost takes a bit to activate so it’s okay. The trap isn’t anything that special but the boost you get from it isn’t that overpowered so that’s okay as well. His design is really good. Even after he’s nerfed I’ll still use him a lot (I’ve wanted riders sonic in this game for a really long time). Back to the projectile, the speed it gives you should be decreased because it puts other characters at a huge disadvantage depending on the boost they have. I have not seen a single Super this whole event and we all know why lol. It’s really hard to catch up to EXG Sonic’s due to the projectile spam.

[brisk plume]

Remove the speed from the projectile
Remove the speed from the projectile
Remove the speed from the projectile
Remove the speed from the projectile
Remove the speed from the projectile

Again don’t lower the speed, actually remove it

[daring turtle]

might aswell give him 2x/3x drops then

actually eh

e h h

maybe

feel like that'd make him slightly more broken

[brisk plume]

Leave it at single pickup too 💀

[hazy karma]

Don't give me prenerf Dark Blast Vibes lmao

[brisk plume]

Might have to remove the mechanic where an EGS can use another EGS’s boost, that’s insanely cracked and no other character can do this
Or maybe if an EGS catches someone else’s pitstop, he’ll get the same speed as the other Babylon Rouges, and only gain more distance when he uses his own boost respectively

If not, nerf the speed of the boost too

The other Babylon Rouges can still keep the benefit from pitstop though, since they don’t get much of a boost from it anyway

[hazy karma]

It's a Micro Boost, yet there aren't many who uses the Babylon Rogues, which is sad

[tidal vale]

The damage that he deal with the proyectile and the boost is insane too

[hazy karma]

He puts Karate Knuckles and Drummer Cream to a Shame due to that Damage

[tidal vale]

He puts all the characters to a shame tbh. Only brokens dragons (that need an urgent nerf too) can barely catch up

[hollow nebula]

Can we like not have a 2024 werehog rn

Just remove the damn speed 10 remove the speed from his projectile and the problem is 90% solved

[pseudo gulch]

Can we not have every new sonic variant broken please

[hollow nebula]

Noone on the current leaderboards right now can even climb or play properly without even using this new character. If you also didn't spend money for you (which is what they would want in the end) you aren't winning it's as simple as that

[pseudo gulch]

Literally any new sonic variant they release is more broken than the one before it

I'm getting tired of this

[hollow nebula]

❓

Me when the game is about sonic but sonic is the major problem in this game

[pseudo gulch]

I totally forgot this sonic exists

This one is an exception

[wise pollen]

playtesters? never heard of them

[tidal vale]

We all know why they do this kind of stuff, but the game is pretty fun, they found a great formula and I'm sure a lot of people already invest a lot of money, this unbalance charaters in the long run only discourages people from playing and damages the state of the game

[celest iris]

nah we got playtesters, they just didnt respond cause their account got banned by automod due to how fast EGS goes 💀

[proud sigil]

The only Sonic who did not beat his previous variants.
Slugger Sonic beat Sonic, Super Sonic beat Slugger Sonic, Darkspine Sonic beat Super Sonic, Snowdrift Sonic beat Darkspine Sonic , Dragonfire Sonic beat Snowdrift Sonic and Extreme Gear Sonic beat Dragonfire Sonic.

[pseudo gulch]

Yep

Hl is really doing great job in making a new sonic variant worse than the ones before it

And im sure they won't stop 💀

[proud sigil]

To be honest I find him good.

Regardless of how overpowered he is.

He gives me real Sonic Riders vibes.

[pseudo gulch]

Never played riders so can't feel that vibe sorry

They don't need to make any character new op
Egs was wanted in the game for long time
People would have whaled on him even even if he wasn't good

Making a character op doesn't mean it will get you money
In fact it will make people hate the character and probably keep it unused

[proud sigil]

Not sure about that

[proud sigil]

Speed, always taking dashpads and boosting.

[pseudo gulch]

Welp that sounds great
But sadly implementing all that in a game like sfsb backfired

[limber fjord]

facts

[limber fjord]

i think his boost should do the same amount of damage of chopper boost

like right now it hit has hard as fireboost which is insane

[proud sigil]

I think Pit Stop should not even deal damage

[limber fjord]

i feel the same since it can stack

[brittle wind]

Gonna agree with what some others have said
Projectile on the boost should just straight up be removed

[viscid coral]

finally

[limber fjord]

it should then probably remove the ability of other extreme gear use unable to take damage from his trap

[obtuse vector]

the pfp says everything

[tacit moat]

Nerf

[queen thorn]

and they should not be able to take eachothers boosts too

[limber fjord]

i think they good if the boost they get was similar to what wave jet and storm get from it

[ripe oracle]

Nerf

[proud sigil]

The boost on the trap should go too.

I no longer care what anyone says about this, that has to go. I know Cyclone Charge and Chao-nado also have this, but they at least do not have some kind of other item that is unfair like EGS does. Not to mention both of those are automines.

Like, I find the leap out of non-Storm Cloud danger enough. The boost is unnecessary.

[tacit moat]

Facts

[proud sigil]

Pit Stop is already hella fast, even at level one. The damage has to go.

[tacit moat]

Yes I agree idk why they make this character

[limber fjord]

i think they can keep the boost on the tornado trap just make it so it damage other extreme gear users

Remove the mini boost from the projectile.

Remove the damage from the boost and then wait and see if he need anymore changes

[hollow nebula]

The boost on the trap is not even a problem icl if they keep it or not

Miniboost is the major problem

[trim apex]

egs is balanced. he dont need a nerf

LOL knew that would get someone!

[waxen pike]

Extreme Gear Sonic is a solid character all around. Perhaps TOO solid. The only nerf I see needed though is for the Speed Boost from Slipstream Windboost. Maybe make it the same speed as Werehog's currently is? I suppose the damage could be removed from Pit Stop as well. Blue Tornado is fine as is.

[proud sigil]

Go away.

[trim apex]

wish i could but im stuck here

egs has the most valid balanced kit ive ever seen! well done HL!

[trim apex]

[daring turtle]

That boost does literally almost nothing

If anything it sets him up BADLY for some hits

It's literally just tangle but it doesn't attack and it's much shorter

[fathom eagle]

after careful analysis and achieving 7k with the character i believe he should be nerfed

or idk something like that

[proud sigil]

I think alike.

[little fern]

The leap is a force jump for such a minor speed boost though

[little fern]

Having trouble getting out of the 5.8k-5.9k range, any tips?

[proud sigil]

Giving it some thought, I take back what I said. I guess the Blue Tornado boost can stay, but the speed boost from Slipstream Whirlwind and the damage from Pit Stop have got to go.

[fathom eagle]

What level is ur egs?

[frank frigate]

Extreme Gear Sonic is the most overpowered character in SFSB

[reef bane]

Yessir

[proud sigil]

Yes! 🤝

[proud sigil]

There are other characters stronger than him in my opinion.
It is just hard to compare precisely mini-boosters with normal characters.

[tacit fiber]

There are

In my opinion, he is just good. As a character, he is perfect but his weapons and his stats are not as good as I expected.... Overall: just good

[reef bane]

[tacit fiber]

Your profile picture is GREAT!!! I'm also playing this game but the only limited character I got was Gold style Rouge and gold style tails.

[obtuse vector]

thank you! And also that's still luck, they're not easy to get either

[tacit fiber]

Well.. I can agree with that!

[trim apex]

What egs Lacks in lethality makes up for in speed That's what egs is about. Speed

Those on the low fly groove Say he should be slowed down

Which I disagree with

[obtuse vector]

then leave.../j

[trim apex]

What was the /j for? Is that another way of saying joking?

[obtuse vector]

ye it means joke

👍

[tough valley]

[reef bane]

🗿

[silk mica]

🧟

[manic knot]

why bro is so op? he needs to be nerfed for sure.

[outer prism]

@manic knot I agree

[proud sigil]

You can reply instead of pinging by the way

[white cape]

It's so funny cause he's literally the only character you can only use rn

[proud sigil]

No, we can use over 100 characters but he is the one with whom it feels good to play.

[tacit fiber]

He must be nerfed

[white cape]

feels good sounds like we're downplaying the character but yeah 💀

If a player named Sawyer gets 7k you'll know why cause he did NOT get that with Jet back in the day when he was busted

[tacit fiber]

My favourite character is movie knuckles or series Knuckles

So I play with them

[proud sigil]

I thought it was Movie Super Sonic

[tacit fiber]

Well...he is my second favourite character

And movie sonic 3rd

[pulsar slate]

Same I love Series Knuckles I got him to my 3rd favourite spot

[little fern]

7

[proud sigil]

He’s op, basically a Werehog 2.0

Tho his boost could use some buffing, you’re vulnerable to attacks

[proud sigil]

No, it already deals a lot of damage 💀

[fathom eagle]

If you are at 6.8-6.9 with him at that level than you definitely cooking a level 9 or level 11 should do the trick for you

[little fern]

5.8

[fathom eagle]

Oh

My bad lol

[fathom eagle]

Ur Plvl?

[little fern]

14

[fathom eagle]

Yikes

Get 15 rn

[fierce orbit]

why does this boost do the same damage as mummy's boost with the lvl 8 upgrade

[little fern]

i just cant seem to get my slipstream boost as my fiorst item anymore and with everyone body blocking me i cannot grab items

I have enough cards to probably take him to a really hiugh level the issues is rings

[fathom eagle]

Ur never guaranteed the first item slot

Unless maybe the left item box is always right

By that I mean the one you should take

[little fern]

Yeah and I'm staying with the curve of the stage

The issue is staying in the front

[fathom eagle]

Yeah good luck out there

You still need plvl 15

[little fern]

What exactly happens at that level? And should just be upgrading any low level characters I have?

@proud sigil I'm not exactly able to play tangle or lucky whisper rn when everyone is moving way faster than normal. Even with double item pickups I'm getting left in the dust

[proud sigil]

1. Why pinging me?
2. And?

[little fern]

Your reaction to my image

[proud sigil]

Oh

[fierce orbit]

• Slipstream speed boost can cause him to clip through traps without damage
• Slipstream damage is very high for a mini boost, and gives no iframes.
• Hoverboard Boost shouldn't have damage
• Hoverboard Boost shouldn't be stackable

idk why all this stuff was necessary for an alread 10-speed with a long & fast boost

[nova thicket]

Tbh kinda stupid for them to make EGS have 10 speed and all items to give him boost

[little fern]

no i agree he needs to be toned down, but i like the idea of him

like take the boost of the trap and idk make it steal more rings or something

and then make the slipstream not last as long

[fierce orbit]

I'm okay with the trap as is, the boost is so small

[little fern]

or cut the speed down

[fierce orbit]

the projectile + boost damage combos are nasty

[little fern]

oh i hadnt considered doing that

[proud sigil]

To be honest I cannot imagine Sonic from Sonic Riders without 10 speed

[fierce orbit]

they know a bunch of characters have awful recovery boosts, and then they go and give him emine damage on everything

[little fern]

i was just trying to gp fast

[nova thicket]

It is the 3 items having a boost being the problem

[little fern]

this is why i wish this game would display move stats somewhere and gave us a training room

[proud sigil]

Nah, look at Surge she is fiiiiine... ||now||.

[nova thicket]

Whoever came up with this character’s kit idea must not know what balanced means

[nova thicket]

Yea cuz she has cooldown

[proud sigil]

If the speed buff given by Slipstream Whirlwind was still there but barely noticeable I would be all for it.

[fierce orbit]

the fact that they have completely disappeared and not acknowledged this obvious mess up is telling lol

[nova thicket]

Honestly same

[proud sigil]

So?

The developers knew he would be giving headaches.

[fierce orbit]

I'm guessing again most of the team probably saw this coming, but likely it's one person's call and they liked the idea of this terribly balanced kit

[nova thicket]

I can’t believe even after werehog release they are fine with this idea

It’s like they already know this will happen

[fierce orbit]

feel bad for the designers who put time and effort into all these characters that get ruined by balancing

including the weak ones

[proud sigil]

We ought to stop blaming the entire HL team for not being able to balance items & characters when it is only depending on 1 or 2 persons.

[nova thicket]

Honestly they should stop making new ones unless they are for characters that deserves a variant

I think they should start reworking the old ones

[fierce orbit]

well it's not like they give us any visibility into how it works. We're only told to put feedback in these useless threads that are ignored.

[nova thicket]

If they ever will that is

[fierce orbit]

they open these threads so much and ignore all the feedback in them lmao

every time

[nova thicket]

But considering how badly HL makes decisions I think that is pretty minor chance

[proud sigil]

We need clarity.

[fierce orbit]

well it would just be nice, otherwise they can continue with the way it has been

since that clearly works so well

[nova thicket]

And I’m here for the past 3 weeks thinking HL starting to know the term “balanced” but nope they just had to ruin it with EGS

[proud sigil]

Again, it is not HL™ but only the one who makes the decisions. 🗿

[fierce orbit]

balanced when the kit is just reskins lol

[nova thicket]

I think they should really start considering hearing what the people want instead

[fierce orbit]

as soon as they put their thinking caps on for new item balancing... it's all ogre

[little fern]

I wish they would actually let us talk to john balancer then and actually suggest things

[proud sigil]

The best way to make balanced items is to revisit current balanced items

[little fern]

because some of these characters need reworks

[nova thicket]

Honestly whoever made karate knuckles probably forgot drummer cream exists

[fierce orbit]

I don't really like any character with these ring-less damage attacks

[scarlet nebula]

is cool

[nova thicket]

Honestly same

[nova thicket]

Nerf him.

[proud sigil]

Why so?
I thought Drumbeats silenced players as well as giving jumping damage.

[nova thicket]

Nah

[fierce orbit]

they give them zero iframes to compensate...

[nova thicket]

I tested before and it is just normal

[fierce orbit]

no attacks should give zero iframes

especially with long stuns

[proud sigil]

I don't like those who cannot hit players using the same character when everyone uses the same actual character

[nova thicket]

0:09

[fierce orbit]

metal sonic stealing the new whirlwind trap

[nova thicket]

Till this day i can’t forget this

[proud sigil]

This is called a

COMBO !!!

[proud sigil]

This is sad because you played well 🥲

[nova thicket]

…

30 rings drained Within 2 seconds

[proud sigil]

I think they should have called Valiant Tails

[nova thicket]

The amount of ring drains

Honestly I am glad them made that effect for him

[proud sigil]

Worst thing here is that these hits you got were all powerful.

[nova thicket]

Because at least it is unique

[nova thicket]

True

[proud sigil]

... For now

[fierce orbit]

I love when EGS just says “haha funny mini boost” and goes through a spear, destroys it, and takes no damage

really cool

[proud sigil]

These boys are harassing the only girl in their team.

[proud sigil]

Meta abusers : "You can't understand this... it is skill."

[nova thicket]

We need gender equality fr

[nova thicket]

While saying this when using meta…

Honestly why are the devs that soft on the nerfs

[fierce orbit]

spear damage is irrelevant in this meta anyway, everyone has spear damage lately

[proud sigil]

You know, it takes skill to reach 6k, even with meta!

[nova thicket]

I reached 6k without meta…

[hazy karma]

Desync in a Nutshell I say

[pseudo gulch]

Day 3 of asking to nerf this stupid character

[proud sigil]

Don't blame all the developers, only a very few can balance whereas the others just undergo the decisions.

[fierce orbit]

the few times I've used him I have gone right through BMS trees, too, without dodging them

[nova thicket]

Tbh it is so annoying sometimes cuz in your screen it literally has you hitting them but apparently it is just desync

[fierce orbit]

that slipstream can clip you through attacks

[proud sigil]

I got it with Chrono Silver.

[tacit fiber]

How you did that??? 😧😧😧

[nova thicket]

Honestly this is describing every online games

[pseudo gulch]

I did it with common snoc

[nova thicket]

Whoever uses common still are real for doing that

[fierce orbit]

desync is understandable if the trap was still being placed, but there is no way they were ahead of those spears before they were down...

[pseudo gulch]

Im real

[fierce orbit]

spears spawn far ahead

and they clearly destroy one

[hazy karma]

Tried to reach it with only Nutcracker Silver, but whadda know
Getting clutchboosted, targeted and can't do anything

[proud sigil]

I feel that...
In that case I would call Sonic.

[nova thicket]

I sure hope the next balance change makes a difference

Tbh wind boost and ice boost still needs buffs

[proud sigil]

Fire Boost too.
And especially Confusion Boost.

[hazy karma]

Wind Boost: Needs it
Ice Buff: Needs it
Fire Boost: It's "fine"
Confusion Boost: Definitely needs it

[pseudo gulch]

Electric boost too

[fierce orbit]

poor wind and confusion boost do feel so sluggish

they all do... fire boost needs a slight duration increase imo

[proud sigil]

It is the best of the based boost in my opinion.

[fierce orbit]

speed good

[pseudo gulch]

No
Its slow

[proud sigil]

Fair enough

[fierce orbit]

I put in work with electro boost on grim but he has crossed wires

[proud sigil]

Super Form : Needs more speed.

[hazy karma]

May sounds right, but the Duration and Speed is "fine" as well at MAX
It also attracts Rings as well, so you can get 100 Rings faster

[hazy karma]

Hmmm
I'm not so sure about that

[little fern]

i think all the elemental boosts need something to help them out tbh

[nova thicket]

It’s a good thing it attracts rings (probably the only quality carrying the whole boost)

[little fern]

because with the sheer amount of insane boosts specials have it means the rest of the cast cant really keep up

[pseudo gulch]

Im pretty sure the speed ain't fine at all, even confusion boost is faster
And for the rings attraction, you won't need that when you have the character on high level

[fierce orbit]

confusion boost is much shorter though

I also think it's slower, confusion boost is so bad

I think electro boost is ok but maybe speed could buff, I wouldn't say it's top priority tho

my lvl 14 valentine definitely does not put out a better boost than my max grim

[hazy karma]

It has the same Speed like Drill Spin Boost, so you can say it's slow

[nova thicket]

Confusion boost is so bad like why

It is so slow so short it doesn’t even take away rings it barely does damage

[pseudo gulch]

Nope its faster

[nova thicket]

The only somewhat alright thing about it is the confusion which honestly I pretty sure 90% of the users can play this game on reverse controls

[fierce orbit]

I disagree

electro boost looks faster

[pseudo gulch]

Imagine if the confusion effect could also reverse the jump and slide directions

[nova thicket]

That would make it harder but I still think it is manageable

[pseudo gulch]

Hmm

Are you sure?

[fierce orbit]

I don't know where to check but I watched sawyer's video, confusion boost looks real slow

[pseudo gulch]

Like did you do a comparison in a pm or smth?

[nova thicket]

It is way too hard to use valentine rouge cuz of this

[fierce orbit]

but he's using Silver in that comparison vs Metal sonic for electro boost

6 speed vs 9 speed not good comparison

grim and valentine both have 9 though, I can try and compare them

[hazy karma]

Good Idea

[little fern]

day 145 of me beggin these devs to display in game stats on how moves work

we should have number on how faster fire boost goes for how long

[fierce orbit]

unfortunately they don't show us those figures

it's up to us to trial & error and figure it out ourselves lol

[round temple]

I'm still gonna use EGS even after he gets nerfed

[proud sigil]

Speed matters but acceleration too.
Since speed is the maximum speed and this boost clearly does not clamp the speed acceleration would sound relevant as well

[fierce orbit]

Yes. Thankfully their stats are identical except for strength, didnt realize valentine was so stacked with stats lol

9/7/8 is kind of fire

[fierce orbit]

this is also a pain in the rear to do because you can't choose maps in private matches...

[hazy karma]

No, not at all

[proud sigil]

Cool new profile picture!

[proud sigil]

We need this perk. Hopefully it will come soon 👀

[hazy karma]

Thanks
Made by a great Artist

[fierce orbit]

I'll still do the comparison it'll just take me a bit

[proud sigil]

It's all right

[zinc stirrup]

Not removed but debuffed heavily

[proud sigil]

This.

[proud sigil]

I raced him and I will not be surprised if he does.

[brisk plume]

Nah, removed

Probably won’t happen anyway, but it’s the right thing to do

[zinc stirrup]

No. It should be equivalent to a tangle speed boost.

Or a Werehog of sorts with less damage

[reef bane]

Nerf him to the ground 🫠

[proud sigil]

Agreed 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼

[daring turtle]

He's kind of fine

Ofc the projectile and whatnot

[proud sigil]

He's not a free win but he needs properly nerfed asap

[daring turtle]

But his kit alone isn't much of a problem

[proud sigil]

This game is such a joke

[daring turtle]

The things that need tweaking are his damage for pitstop, the weird gimmick with sharing EGS's pitstop and tornado trap (seriously?), projectile speed needs to be nerfed to be slightly slower then dark blast

This is what I find necessary atleast, but eh who knows

Pretty sure he's broken cause of money, the last few characters are pretty balanced, and this whole event seems obvious that HL wanted some cash

Glad we got a riders variant though

[proud sigil]

I don't understand why his boost deals damage and you take damage if you run into a pitstop. That's completely unnecessary and it just makes it even harder to catch up to him

[celest iris]

The solution to Extreme Gear Sonic is to make him into Extreme Gear Super Sonic and just like Riders games he drains rings every second

My main issue with him is his attack

Its fast, has no sound, and stuns you for a second

a second is all EGS needs to get a massive lead

so if you get hit once you instantly lose

[stable sparrow]

A good first step in nerfing him is making it so that you cannot use another EGS' pit stop or blue tornado

currently multiple EGS's can team with each other SUPER easily

also another thing is that despite the fact that blue tornado looks different depending on whose blue tornado it is

the wind effect is blue for the player's blue tornado but it's white for opponent's blue tornado

so even when it's nerfed you can still tell which one is yours

[limber fjord]

confusion boost is fine bunny boost and wind boost need it more

[stable sparrow]

idk if confusion boost is good as is

i think it suffers a similar curse to older boosts where it just cannot compete

[daring turtle]

Confusion boost cannot catch up at all lol

And I'd doubt they would nerf any boosts right now

So a confusion boost buff would be fine

[zinc stirrup]

Ice Boost and Air Boost need buffs

[hollow nebula]

Never cook again my guy 💀
First off were not giving him super form 2nd you do realize he will start from like almost no rings from lvl 1 (if you're going with the super concept)

[wise pollen]

guys I have a suggestion for eggs sonic

remove him from the game

[median warren]

best suggestion i’ve ever seen

[little fern]

This is enough cards to max him now right?

I'm trying to make sure I did my math right

[hazy karma]

Yes

[tacit moat]

Nerf

[errant void]

“extreme gear can’t be that bad right?”
1 match later

[vital ginkgo]

I have gathered up my thoughts and I think I can finally sum it up properly.
Extreme Gear Sonic is the worst addition to this game, and is the epitome of crappy Hardlight design. First of all, he has 10 speed, and is a minibooster, which is already a controversial archetype, and the only other contender similar is Surge, but she has cooldowns on her Powersurge, meanwhile this guy has no penalties for using his items, which ALL give him speed boost.
To start, his first item, a trail miniboost that does quite a hefty amount of damage, is already extremely good, pretty much better Dark Blast, on a 10 SPEED CHAR.
Second item, a fast as hell boost that does damage for no good reason, also it stacks too, go figure.
Third item, a three lane trap that damages people except himself, instead giving him a speed boost, this coupled with the first and second item makes him literally impossible to catch up, and it baffles me that this is not the only issue.
This is an offense that I don't think any other character went to this level, but this is the most garbage and careless Design in a character I've ever seen in ALL video-games. You made the boost and trap be able to be used by other extreme gear users, like Jet, Wave, Storm, but guess who also is an Extreme Gear user? Extreme Gear Sonic!!! Because he is literally better than all those other three you'll only have the incentive to ever use him because EGS can literally HELP other EGSs, while 99% of the cast has to spam boost the whole race and never be able to play the game, this is the most insulting game design ever, you overcentralized a character so hard without any thought whatsoever and now we must pay for it, I hope the vault sales were worth it Hardlight, 0/10

[proud sigil]

You only mentioned the bad things about him 🙄

[vital ginkgo]

he has drip

that's about it

[proud sigil]

We all know he will get nerfed soon.

[vital ginkgo]

one month minimum

which is like a whole season

[proud sigil]

No way

[vital ginkgo]

that's how long they took to fix Snowdrift lol

maybe even longer

[proud sigil]

Pretty sure they will make some balance changes before Pyromancer Blaze's release.

[proud sigil]

Because they had made an update right before his ecent and just waited some bit before another one.
But this time it has already been almost month since the last update.

There are many bug fixes pending for the next update and I'm pretty sure they will include some balance changes in it.

[vital ginkgo]

hope they just don't throw a bandaid fix like only one item nerf with minimal changes

[proud sigil]

I hope too.

[vital ginkgo]

they made their own shoulders heavier bro not my fault

I know bug fixing is annoying and they're on it

[proud sigil]

You know, HL is a team, not 1 person.
Hence blaming the entire team all the time does not sound fair to me.

[vital ginkgo]

but putting in a new untested broken char is something thye shiuld've seen coming

[proud sigil]

I could not have said it better myself.

[vital ginkgo]

at least one dude should've been like "bro this character is kinda stupid, maybe tweak him"

on the team there

[proud sigil]

They tested him and were aware of how overpowered he would be, but not to that extent. They released it as such almost purposely and maybe even planned his nerf before releasing him.

[vital ginkgo]

planning a patch before releasing is something out of triple A gaming releases

it sounds too funny

[proud sigil]

There was.
But they don't have the final says about it.

[vital ginkgo]

it may be me being more new in working in a game dev team, but the feedback from your colleagues, and specially the guy who tests your stuff, should matter

i've said this on the past, i got no clue what their work environment is

but they slip way too much on decisions that could've easily been avoided by releasing stuff more polished

I don't expect things to release perfectly, but I also want it to not turn the whole thing upside down and under, or worse

[proud sigil]

So true.

[proud sigil]

Some members in the team probably test the characters but given that their job is not balancing but something like networking or web development they can give their thoughts but they maybe don't have as much weight as feedback from beta testers or marketing experts.

[vital ginkgo]

true, which makes me think if they even have play testers

[proud sigil]

They might do this on purpose

[proud sigil]

Same, I don't know anyone in charge of beta testing other than game developers and artists.

[vital ginkgo]

i wish this isn't true because it would be just be malicious and evil

i at least hold an expectation that they would not be doing that maliciously

[proud sigil]

It seems like it is though

What is the point of releasing only D-Tier characters for a company?

Moreover, meta stays mind for a longer period of time.
We all remember of "the Supers meta", "the Dragons meta" and so on but tend to forget other releases like Jester Sonic or Panda Amy.

[vital ginkgo]

it seemed to be doing alright for them

you can't have everyone be god tier, otherwise noone is

[proud sigil]

For us yes but it does not bring much to the HL team as far as I know

[vital ginkgo]

anytime they release a character no matter how good it sells vaults just fine

and now with bonus missions it has incentive on more too

[proud sigil]

Release overpowered characters, nerf them to the ground before releasing another meta character and so on.
It is how a competitive game works

[proud sigil]

Who knows

[vital ginkgo]

which is anticonsumer and everyone looks down on
too bad try hards and pros will still eat it up because they gotta get the new best thing!™️

metas really ruins games huh

well that's about it

i think i summed about everything i had in mind

[proud sigil]

This is sad because it is the only true issue I encounter with this game.
Perhaps too much ads --especially the ones between each games-- as well but all the rest is tip top.

I understand there were ads between games before. But now, with chest ads and reward grids, ads between games are just too much.

[vital ginkgo]

i completely get you man, i ended up growing more of a tolerance on ads by the time

[proud sigil]

Cheaters too.

[vital ginkgo]

but it can be quite a lot

[proud sigil]

Same, but still.
If you sum up the entire ad-time it ends up being a lot.

[vital ginkgo]

honestly it's the least of the issues, but nothing stops us from being concerned at more than one thing

[proud sigil]

I don't see them as much, and even so it is not that annoying.
It only concerns trophies, which I don't care much.

[vital ginkgo]

they might be coming back tomorrow in super event

but eh

[proud sigil]

Ranking the issues my own way :

• Meta
• Ads
• We need more tracks
• New items looking like some which already exist

[vital ginkgo]

i'm already over getting prestige after egs xddd

[proud sigil]

Super hackers can't do much against Extreme Gear Sonics

[vital ginkgo]

i sadly didn't get it and don't think i ever will

[proud sigil]

I really mean it.

[vital ginkgo]

i remember surge being able to beat them

[proud sigil]

Sonic too.

[vital ginkgo]

werehog when he was bugged too

stuff was crazy

[rapid geyser]

I finally got enough cards to get Extreme Gear Sonic to Level 16, and it happened a lot quicker than the other characters I tried getting enough cards for.

[proud sigil]

I guess the Reward Grid helped?

[rapid geyser]

Yep

[proud sigil]

Over 30 daily ends up giving 240.
I guess it is noticeable, especially when tripled by the vault.

[little fern]

Okay so something else I noticed

This projectile need to not hit as hard

Holy crap

It's like a targeting e mine

And then on top of that it sometimes bounces people in the air with no I frames???

That's a bit much

[reef bane]

The projectile even makes it worse to catch up, once you get hit, then it’s GG

[proud sigil]

Not "GG".

[little fern]

Keep in mind dark blast doesn't hit nearly as hard, all it has is the electric effect

[reef bane]

gg

[little fern]

I think they need to remove the bounce effect and maybe nerf the projectile to do something like a fireball and a half worth of damage

[proud sigil]

Oh well, if you enjoy loosing...

[little fern]

Not e mine and certainly not randomly becoming creams drum move

[reef bane]

Wdym 🗿

GG is just a phrase bruh

U know it, don’t pretend

[proud sigil]

It means "Good Game".
Being last the entire game without any hope of catching up does not match with this definition to me. 🗿

[reef bane]

Okay “Mr Smart Pants 🤓”

[proud sigil]

🙄

[vital ginkgo]

how many more advantages does this character have bro 🗿

[hollow nebula]

This is the best one I've seen.

[hybrid trail]

Yes

[hollow nebula]

Yeah let's recap supers. Characters that can't even keep up with this one

[proud sigil]

I always knew this boost was overpowered.

[proud sigil]

@nova thicket @kindred sail
What do you think of this? 👀

[kindred sail]

that is disgusting

[tidal vale]

Fr

[proud sigil]

By the way, I am aware of what retirement is. What I was not aware of was what he was doing right now.

[tiny tinsel]

That's cool but who's better infinite when he didn't get nerf or extreme gear

[hot void]

Egs

[reef bane]

Eggs

[proud sigil]

[limber fjord]

eegs

[nova thicket]

Ikr

[stable sparrow]

ok

[median warren]

someone had to say it

[limber fjord]

balance games

[hollow nebula]

Is this list in order or...

[hollow nebula]

Resting^

[proud sigil]

Alright, sorry about the misunderstanding.
I will drop the subject.

[stable sparrow]

No

[frosty bough]

Riders Sonic is actually OP, wth-

[limber fjord]

this game is so diverse with 106 characters

[fading ingot]

supers above anything

Lmao

Also , pretty sure mss its the better super

[stable sparrow]

each tier is unordered, but imo

> > > > >

[wise pollen]

sfsb players when they see an eggs sonic user in their lobby (their fate has already been decided)

[vital ginkgo]

so many characters, yet all the matches feel the same

[proud sigil]

The Happy Meal is not so happy anymore.

[tidal vale]

Me when I don't see a EGS in the lobby: 😃

Me when I realize that instead of EGS there are 3 dragons in the lobby: 😔

[civic veldt]

My own custom character game is just drawings but has way more characters than this one it’s over 150

[brittle wind]

This is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen

[kindred sail]

That EGS was about to catch up again. If the finish line was abit further away 💀

They successfully make a character based on DSS’s bug and cash grab people for it

[hybrid trail]

If this is the fastest super, imagine if it were with super silver or classic super Sonic, it would surely have caught up with me

[proud sigil]

I thought they had fixed that bug

[proud sigil]

🗣️

[kindred sail]

They did not.

[hazy karma]

That is a old Clip lol
That Bug has been fixed properly

[proud sigil]

Why are you two telling the opposite

[halcyon idol]

he needs a big nerf in mini boost and boost

[nova thicket]

The damage on the boost is ridiculous

The only thing in his kit I consider as fine is the trap

[proud sigil]

Same. The speed buff we get from the trap is not that noticeable.
And it also has a delay.

[daring turtle]

thank god his event is over

but uh

yeah he's still a problem

[hazy karma]

Guess we have to wait for a bit

[proud sigil]

It does not change that much

[daring turtle]

yeah but still

[proud sigil]

I am quite confident he will be balanced before Pyromancer Blaze is released.

[daring turtle]

I'd prefer to not see a new egs everyday

[winter kraken]

Please delete egs?

At the very least remove the pitstop/trap sharing

Holy that was a really dumb idea
Imagine trying to clutchboost someone and they use your boost

Slipstream forces speed battle was NOT the game I installed

[reef bane]

Real 🗣️

[compact pivot]

😑

[proud sigil]

No.

[proud sigil]

So you prefer Dragon Forces?

[winter kraken]

It's better than missing a dashpad and being stuck in 4th all race!

Why are people doing tricks on it just because its extreme gear and omg sonic riders!!!!
Pay hardlight 10.99 and you too can get 7k like sawyer or disco

[brittle wind]

Those two are still op and like literally every other character is pretty much unviable due to egs, so yes this is much worse

[proud sigil]

I don't care about trophies, I play for fun.

[winter kraken]

Not even dragons can help you against egs
They hit 1 slipstream and you might as well close the game

[proud sigil]

Sorry but this looks a bit like a skill issue

[proud sigil]

I know.

[brittle wind]

So you answered your own question

[winter kraken]

what are you smoking dude

[proud sigil]

I am breathing, not smoking.

[winter kraken]

🤦‍♂️

Egs is the most pay to win thing they've ever released
If you dont have a lvl 13+ you are cooked
Every character that isnt egs is a victim.
He could have 5 speed and still be the best character in the game

[proud sigil]

Yes, and?

[winter kraken]

?????

[proud sigil]

Just have fun in low tiers and quit the grinding madness if you cannot keep up.

[winter kraken]

😐 why are you typing rn

Even casual players are saying hes too broken

[proud sigil]

Yes.

But it still is not impossible to beat them.

[winter kraken]

Why are you yapping about fun in low tiers when this blue rat is everywhere
Sure low tier egs players are bad and wont get away easily but who is sitting at 4k thinking "wow racing lvl 1 crooks is fun"

[proud sigil]

It is hard, but manageable.

[winter kraken]

This might be the pinnacle of glаze

if you dont hit an egs within the first 3 item boxes
You've lost

[reef bane]

EGS is obviously worse than dragons, both needs nerfs, but EGS is way worse

[winter kraken]

If you dont have 45+ starting rings
You've lost

[proud sigil]

Say that to Sonic players AKA me.

[winter kraken]

What's your trophy count

[proud sigil]

I prefer mini-boosters than high damage.

[proud sigil]

1. None of yout business.
2. 6,200+.

[winter kraken]

?????????

None of your business but proceeds to reveal it

[reef bane]

So u are saying dragons are worse than EGS, or u just wanna feel different from others?

[proud sigil]

???
Neither nor.

[reef bane]

U are 😐 then

[pseudo gulch]

😐

[proud sigil]

No.
I prefer 3 than 3
I prefer boosting the entire race than getting unfair damage the entire game.

[pseudo gulch]

😐😐

[hot void]

?

[winter kraken]

That's actually so dumb

[reef bane]

He likes a different take from the truth, I understand

[hot void]

I geniuly wish people would read what they type

[winter kraken]

You rather get 4th than at least have a chance

Ight bro

[winter kraken]

^^^ 😭

[pseudo gulch]

I don't

[hot void]

What even is "he isnt impossible to beat for an argument"

[proud sigil]

Who said I always got 4th with 3 by the way.

[pseudo gulch]

Who likes to be left behind by egs?

[hot void]

Every Single overpowered char was "beatable"

[proud sigil]

Not me.

[hot void]

Das Bug abusers lost

Prime infinites lost

[winter kraken]

Read what you type

[reef bane]

This makes zero sense btw

[hot void]

Sds bug abusers lost

Were they all balanced?

Explains itself

[winter kraken]

Hackers lost 🤯

[pseudo gulch]

How would you prefer to fight a character with unlimited boost than a character with only one boost?

[proud sigil]

At least the damage is lower and his attacks are easier to dodge

[proud sigil]

True.

[reef bane]

[pseudo gulch]

Hows that
Slipstream is quite and hits hard
And tornados are annoying

[winter kraken]

Slipstream has no iframes btw

So someone else could hit you immediately after 💀
It also stops you in place

Did I mention egs also zooms away too

[pseudo gulch]

When hes gone hes gone

[reef bane]

Atleast with dragons u can get hit and recover, with EGS, one hit and it’s over most times

[proud sigil]

But the others lag behind and are vulnerable.
2nd place is manageable.

[winter kraken]

90% of the time

Oh my God

[pseudo gulch]

But what if 3 of them are in the race?

[proud sigil]

Recover??? Tell this to Super mains!!!

[winter kraken]

This man said 2nd is manageable 💀
Obv you want first

[proud sigil]

It hardly ever happens

[pseudo gulch]

WHAT?!?

[proud sigil]

Well, I don't need 1st.

[winter kraken]

Snorting

[winter kraken]

This is average maincorder activity

Firat place is the objective

[pseudo gulch]

50% that happens to me

[proud sigil]

Well, in my case, 1 always runs in front and the others boost to keep up.

[pseudo gulch]

No way it "hardly" happens

[winter kraken]

this is why I hate supers 🤦‍♂️
So instead of trying to win yall just give up and decide to gatekeep everyone else

Bum activity

[proud sigil]

It is your objective.
Mine is to have fun and upgrade the characters I like 🙃

[pseudo gulch]

Yes and all of them zoom away with their unlimited boosts while you're left behind helpless

[proud sigil]

Not exactly 🫤

[winter kraken]

@hot void you seeing this?

[pseudo gulch]

_ _

[hot void]

What can i say bro

People dont play this game to win

[proud sigil]

Exactly. It is a playstyle like another.
By the way tell this to your Tim friend who mains Infinites, he should know how it feels not to have any boosts when left behind.

[pseudo gulch]

You can't have fun with the current condition the game is in

[hot void]

Aslong as they make others get 4th they consider this a w

[proud sigil]

Your perspective.

[proud sigil]

??

[winter kraken]

I hope supers get nerfed again next patch

[proud sigil]

Impossible.

But I do hope your boy Dragonfire Sonic gets nerfed.

[pseudo gulch]

I remember you telling me you haven't played the game for 2 days because of that same perspective 😐

[proud sigil]

I restarted 3h ago

For the new event.

[winter kraken]

Have fun mashing fireballs in 4th

[proud sigil]

Do you really think I am still using Super Sonic in that havok
I am not masochistic!

[proud sigil]

HL gotta stop releasing OP Sonics like come on😭

I literally gapped a whole lvl 15 lobby just by spamming slipstream whirlwind

[trim apex]

Na egs is fine

[hollow nebula]

That piccolo pack :MyNamekian:

[hollow nebula]

🗣️ touch yourself

Also to add to the argument above.

Yeah I would rather play against 3 dragon fire sonics than 3 extreme gears with a regular character 💀 against a dragon character I still have like maybe a 25 ish percent chance of winning. For egs against a regular character it's 0

[limber fjord]

facts

[limber fjord]

imaging starting every race just to finish second

[sharp apex]

Is it just me or r there not that many EGS anymore?

[hazy karma]

Guess that Mood was changed lol

[tidal vale]

Both EGS and Dragons needs a huge nerf 💀

[viral hill]

🤫🧏

[proud sigil]

EGS really needs to go. This character genuinely doesn't belong in speedbattle, and he shouldn't have ever been added

[compact pivot]

Agree ... And those stupid sonic fans who support him

[proud sigil]

I know he's not a free win but he's too powerful

[compact pivot]

Needs a huge nerf ... Egs and Bms and Werehog needs it ... I dont know why sega want us to worship sonics ... They nerfed all characters except those idiots

[viral hill]

I got it but

I just went up to level 2 ☹

[proud sigil]

FACTS!

[compact pivot]

I also want super form and phantom dash get buffed to be honest

[proud sigil]

Especially Superform lol. Super sonic getting nerfed was the worst thing to happen to this game because almost every character we got after he got nerfed broke the game and the ones that didn't were still slightly too good lol. I'd personally like phantom dash to just be a normal boost like chaos charge so that way he has a very good boost and can actually catch up when he falls behind 😊

[compact pivot]

Now they are usless specialy after EGS event

[proud sigil]

Also facts! Also, this is the third time this year we've had this exact super sonic event lol