Burning Blaze

[frozen orbit]

i mean, one or grim's minion and you dead

or even rusty punch

[restive socket]

Noone can die in Sonic Forces : Speed Battle

[frozen orbit]

she has a lot of counter

percival also

[humble grail]

Well that’s true lol

[frozen orbit]

any mini boosters can beat her

[restive socket]

How about 's trap??

[humble grail]

Rusty stomp 🗿🗿

[frozen orbit]

i forgot that

lvl 4 is crazy

[humble grail]

That thing is deadly, I need his recap 😈

[frozen orbit]

i have lvl 10 cards

might lvl him up

[humble grail]

I have lvl9 with few cards to lvl10, I can’t wait for his recap

[restive socket]

I can't tell you how many Surge players I hit with that Lava Bomb. They don't even pay attention to dodging, just focusing on spamming their button till their cooldown ends

[frozen orbit]

not surprising

[restive socket]

I upgraded to level 5, not very keen on his playstyle. The only thing I enjoy about him is his boost.

I wish Electro Boost once on max speed turned into a Lightning Boost.

[humble grail]

is a way better metal sonic honestly, and metal is already really good

And he flies 🗿

[frozen orbit]

He flies but does not attract rings

[restive socket]

Only for

Well guys, I'm gonna quit Discord for today 👋

[humble grail]

Yea but the flight alone is really good, I prefer it to electro boost

[humble grail]

Ah, bye 👋

[restive socket]

It is way faster too.

[frozen orbit]

agree

[autumn prawn]

Flight is underestimated. It's a semi-invincibility to many characters

[humble grail]

Facts

[frozen orbit]

AB Characters

[autumn prawn]

Flight vs Dread

[frozen orbit]

curse dread

[quiet forge]

Lava bombs are insanely good at deleting the gaps between your opponent

Fire whirl is a good pressure method too because it lasts long

[frozen orbit]

lava bomb is good if you're 1st

otherwise it's easy to dodge

[quiet forge]

It's not 😂 it's hard to know when it's gonna come

[restive socket]

It is totally useless agains characters like Dragon Hunter Lancelot

[restive socket]

It seems so but it is not that easy to dodge actually, especially when focusing on something else like catching up woth boosts or spam the one and only spammy slot.

[autumn prawn]

EVERYTHING is useless against DHL, wym 💀

[restive socket]

Thank god Twin-Tail Boost no longer has invincibility.

[restive socket]

I never knew why this boost was granted invincibility.
Oh, and did you manage to get ? 👀

[restive socket]

Fortunately yes.

It was a miraculous one because of me getting lucky with having good signal twice.

Unsurprisingly, it did cost me most of my 9.5K s.

[grim rapids]

BB's Runner Report

[hidden cypress]

I like the Runner Report
There's everything in it about her

[frozen orbit]

Saved up the report

[restive socket]

Why not putting both pros & cons on the same image?

[grim rapids]

There isn't enough space and the text is already small as it is

[restive socket]

[zinc quartz]

Nah

[full vine]

starting to play burning blaze more lately, and i'm starting to wish there were multiple pick ups for fire whirl

[frozen orbit]

X2 at lvl 12

[rancid kernel]

umm nooo she already annoying as she is spamming lava bomb

[waxen heart]

You don’t need that

She already had lava bomb

You can just use fire whirl to destroy badniks so people won’t get rings too easy

Also it is not like she is bad

If you buff her then you need to at least buff some other characters

[restive socket]

Burning Blaze is a very powerful character, she does not need a buff concerning her attacks.

[waxen heart]

Real

[restive socket]

When you are right behind someone, Fire Whirl is way more efficient than Lava Bomb, you would just hit yourself with it or both of you would dodge it.

[waxen heart]

Tbh you can either use super to boost ahead or just spam fire whirl nonstop

[restive socket]

I would rather save the boost for the end
But yes, spamming Fire Whirl a lot can get rivals confused.

[waxen heart]

And dangerous

It does so much damage

[restive socket]

Not that much compared to some other attacks but enough for one's needs.

[waxen heart]

Some either have drawback or are very slow

[waxen heart]

Also one time I actually got hit by fire whirl by a blaze infront of me

Cuz I outspeed the fire whirl I accidentally hit it

[humble grail]

Nah, no pickups

She’s good like this

[waxen heart]

I still don’t get why people wants firewhirl to have 2 pickups

It’s not like it is gonna matter

[humble grail]

Well it’s gonna matter if she has x2

[waxen heart]

Tbh I’d say firewhirl is good enough

Since she can just use firewhirl to destroy a line of badniks before anyone else at the start

And she has more starting rings then other super characters

[waxen heart]

I’d say it will just be a little

[restive socket]

It will have a big impact.

[humble grail]

Using double items at once, that’s x4 coming at you from behind, plus extra item box, that’s x6, and it goes a long way

Let me see how u will dodge that lmao

[waxen heart]

Just jump

[humble grail]

6 firewhirls bruh

[waxen heart]

I guess it isn’t everyone

[humble grail]

And it goes a long way

Wdym “just jump”

[waxen heart]

But I am good at dodging

So yea I guess it will be different for everyone

[humble grail]

It will be difficult cause you are also dodging other attacks remember

[waxen heart]

I’ve dodged chaos being spammed behind me while also having fireballs coming at me with cannons at front

Or maybe just cuz I was using a 10 speed

[humble grail]

Everyone can jump, but we don’t need that much pressure in every race

[waxen heart]

Well yea but it is still a slow projectile

[humble grail]

Cause it goes a long way

[waxen heart]

Also i don’t think they will add guaranteed 2 firewhirl

The max I think they will do is chances

[humble grail]

Yea it would be chances, but I don’t think we want that, do we?

High leveled BB is already good enough, her biggest problems are miniboosters in the game

[waxen heart]

That’s what I was saying

Tbh she is already way easier to get and max than the others super

[restive socket]

That argument makes no sense.

[waxen heart]

But she also has better starting rings

[restive socket]

There are other balance changes way more important in my opinion.

[waxen heart]

Yea

I’d say buff Excalibur sonic

Or valiant and chrono if not Excalibur

[restive socket]

I would rather a small speee buff for Super Form than starting rings or buff on their attacks.

And Valiant Tails is very powerful.

[waxen heart]

I personally think all their attacks are fine

[restive socket]

How about increasing the speed of Blazing Aura?

[waxen heart]

Really?

[waxen heart]

boost?

Tbh I’d say it isn’t fair that sir Galahad had a way better boost than her

[restive socket]

Yes.
His projectile is just overpowered, spam that one slot like you do for Crossed Wires and you're good to go.

[waxen heart]

I guess the ring drain is a pretty big problem

[restive socket]

Faster.
Wider.
Longer.
Ring stealer.
More damage.

[waxen heart]

Fr

[restive socket]

Confirmed as a Super Sonic Main

[waxen heart]

Tbh the biggest counters to super characters are probably abilities that ring drain or take a large amount of rings just by one hit

Like booby trap

Tbh booby trap is a big problem for a lot of characters

[restive socket]

Booby trap sure is a game changer but I would rather that than a Broadside or Firecracker spammer.
The worst being Grimions for me.

[waxen heart]

Grimions hits like a truck

[restive socket]

Booby Trap makes you play differently.
Not being able to ise items does not mean loosing the battle.

[restive socket]

*Train.

[waxen heart]

Booby trap is really depending on the matchup

Some people is still good without attacks

[waxen heart]

Tbh I would do the same but I would unlock the boost one

The rest I will just be meh

[restive socket]

Darkspine when front-running is an example.

[restive socket]

Sometimes it is good to unlock the boost slot and sometimes it is better not to do it.

[waxen heart]

Depends on the character

If the boost is very trash I would just do attacks

[restive socket]

I was talking about Super Form.

[waxen heart]

Tbh they don’t need attack

[restive socket]

I always wait till I reach my maximum speed to unlock a slot.

[waxen heart]

I mean yea

[restive socket]

But not too early because if I got hit again well

[waxen heart]

Yea

Just wait till the timing is right

I am so glad that characters with booby trap aren’t common

Tbh no one really use witch rouge

[humble grail]

I just stay behind max rouge players to avoid getting hit by that trap, and they like staying behind also

[restive socket]

Yes, they sure are sneaky.

[waxen heart]

One time I use rouge the booby traps backfired

[humble grail]

She’s mid, and many people have her low leveled, compared to rare rouge

[waxen heart]

Yea ik

Mainly cuz booby trap isn’t too impactful at low lv and the other abilities are quite meh

Tho the stats are quite good

[humble grail]

Stats don’t matter if the items are bad

[waxen heart]

Everyone knows that

[humble grail]

Just look at nine

[waxen heart]

EVERYONE KNOWS THAT

[humble grail]

I’m still waiting for that buff

[restive socket]

Name : Nine.
Speed: Nine.
Accel. : Nine.
Strength: Nine.
Items : Decline.

[waxen heart]

Imagine the projectile it shoots is also nine

And the boost is nine seconds

And explosion mines does nine times more than normal

[restive socket]

He shoots like 3 lasers and his boost is 2 seconds long.

[waxen heart]

Ik

I said imagine

[restive socket]

I cannot, it is too hard

[waxen heart]

I hate how unusable valentine rouge is now bruh

[restive socket]

What so you mean? I love using her, I got from 6,000 trophies to 6.200 trophies last season using her.

[waxen heart]

Fr?

[restive socket]

She is on level 5 so it helps.

[waxen heart]

I only lose trophies with using her

[waxen heart]

Mine is on lv 6

[restive socket]

She is very good. Her projectile is fast and deals decent damage.
Her trap is just overpowered

[waxen heart]

Ik

[restive socket]

But her boost is what drains her down 😔

[waxen heart]

I pretty sure the projectile is faster than fireball tbh

[restive socket]

But do not worry for Confusion Boost.
They buffed Invincibility, Power Sneakers and Wind boost so Confusion boost would obviously be the next to get buffed.

[waxen heart]

Tbh the problem with me it is hard to make use of the effects of Love Struck

[waxen heart]

Wind boost still sucks tbh

[restive socket]

I never miss with that arrow

[waxen heart]

Tho I’d say duration does seems to be way longer at max

[restive socket]

I truly is not that good, but sufficient in my opinion.

[waxen heart]

Tbh rn the boost that needs buff is probably ice boost and confusion boost

Ice boost used to be fine in my opinion

But I noticed that it barely gives you any speed

[humble grail]

It’s same thing lol

It’s cause so many broken boosts in the game rn

[waxen heart]

Yea but after invincibility’s buff

It is way worst now

[restive socket]

How about Blazing Aura, EMP Boost, Cyborg Smash and Meteor Charge?

[waxen heart]

Meteor charge is which one boost again?

[humble grail]

Her trap can be deadly, it can be hidden perfectly in between items boxes without noticing it

[waxen heart]

Yes it is very flat

[humble grail]

I’d say buff the rest, but leave rusty alone 🗿

[waxen heart]

I think emp boost and cyborg smash is fine

Actually no

Emp boost needs a buff

[humble grail]

I hate that boost so much

[restive socket]

It is very hard to catch up using Chrono Silver if you are not a Zap Trap enjoyer like me.

[waxen heart]

Ik

I just thought about it

[restive socket]

Cyborg Smash is counter-productive when on low level.
It makes you skip all the rings, I'm not even mentionning dahpads and item boxes.

[waxen heart]

I mean just use it when there aren’t much of those around

Also you can extend the boost by landing on item boxes

[restive socket]

I keep boosting and landing. It is very annoying but I still do like the boost and the punch.
Only thing I don't appreciate that much with her is that players abuse with her Crosswires.

[waxen heart]

At least cyborg smash has decent speed

[restive socket]

I know that. But you need to play dynamically and when any traps are standing around it just becomes havok.

[humble grail]

Heavy hitting items, but she’s mid

[restive socket]

And overpowered damage too

[waxen heart]

One hit and you can get to 4th from 1st

[restive socket]

"can"

[rancid kernel]

i think it needs to attract rings so you can get back to max spend if you hit someone

plus idk why you can slide directly after you land

[restive socket]

I did not quite catch how it works, I often end hitting, thinking I would slide.

[rancid kernel]

same

[restive socket]

Yes, but as a magnet it would be over-powered, I would restrict it to the lane you are in currently.

[rancid kernel]

I mean magnet as in collecting rings while you in the air

[frozen orbit]

has x3

[restive socket]

So?

[frozen orbit]

And whrlwind can steal rings also

So why not firewhirl

[restive socket]

Yes but the damage is very weak and the range is shorter

[waxen heart]

And?

[waxen heart]

Fireballs can’t pass through obstacles

[rancid kernel]

firewhirl hit harder than those can pass through walls and last longer

[restive socket]

Imagine if Fireballs only had single pickups

[waxen heart]

And both doesn’t have guaranteed

[frozen orbit]

But it's good for sniping, it lasts longer

[restive socket]

Actually the chance of having 3 Whrilwinds is very low.

[frozen orbit]

The damages are not that weak. You getting stunned for 3 seconds or more

Whirlwind

[restive socket]

To be honest I do not even need to aim Fire Whirls to hit lots of opponents randomly

[rancid kernel]

if firewhirl get multiple pick the spam will be unreal

[frozen orbit]

On regular blaze then

Not burning blaze

[restive socket]

Ain't no way

[humble grail]

Yea I said this too

[frozen orbit]

Bruh shes weak

[waxen heart]

Wouldn’t be fair to only buff it for one character

[restive socket]

She is not weak.
At all.

[rancid kernel]

if original blaze get it ppl gonna complain why burning blaze doesn't so noo

[waxen heart]

Yea

[restive socket]

That is what they did with compared to .

[humble grail]

She’s indeed weak

[rancid kernel]

facts

[waxen heart]

Well it is not exactly the same move

[rancid kernel]

ppl already tweaking about her get 5 extra starting rings

[frozen orbit]

You can barely hit someone with so yes shes weak with regular blaze

[rancid kernel]

but when you do it very devastating

[waxen heart]

You do know there are other purpose for moves right?

[frozen orbit]

I do agree that burning blaze doesn't need a pickup, it lasts for 6 seconds and can break at least 3 badniks if you place it well

[frozen orbit]

wdym by that

[restive socket]

If you cannot hit anyone with that, well ...

[waxen heart]

Like hitting badniks

Duh

[frozen orbit]

I do hit but not often

[restive socket]

I spam randomly and get players that were very far or that I was not aiming for.

Very often.

[frozen orbit]

I dont spam

[restive socket]

Well, you should

I spam Fire Whirls and barely use Lava Bombs.

[frozen orbit]

It's not that fun if you spam

[restive socket]

True, that is why I rather using Super Sonic.

[waxen heart]

Then what were you yapping about

[humble grail]

Spamming fireballs then 🗿

[frozen orbit]

I was not, just for regular blaze i was yapping

Shes weak

[waxen heart]

Then why would they buff firewhirl just for one character

[restive socket]

I would rather use the word "sniping" instead

[frozen orbit]

Bc burning blaze is already strong

[restive socket]

She is the total opposite of weak.
All of her items deal huge damage.

[waxen heart]

Bro those are the same moves

[frozen orbit]

If you spam

[humble grail]

Lol

[waxen heart]

If they buff it they will buff it for burning blaze

[restive socket]

Yes.

[rancid kernel]

why spam when you can just predict where ppl are going to go with limit amount of maps

[frozen orbit]

Spamming is not fun

[restive socket]

Spamming is not fun.

Let's say I dispose of my items

[frozen orbit]

Those super sonic mains who spams

[humble grail]

3 fireballs and 2 icemines 🗿

[restive socket]

I'm not part of them 🙌

[frozen orbit]

That combo is crazy

Getting stunned and then getting fireball'd

[restive socket]

Syas the one who uses the item that deals the most damage in the game

Lava Bomb.

[humble grail]

They are so aggressive lmao

[restive socket]

One hit is enough to knock any Super out of the game.

[frozen orbit]

If you are first it's good

[restive socket]

Says the & main.

[frozen orbit]

bru

[humble grail]

||dark maps 🦔||

[waxen heart]

I hate THK in dark maps

Also speaking of THK

I am almost finish with the chroma

[humble grail]

Btw I got to lvl10

Took u a while

[waxen heart]

Btw

How much rsr would you say it takes to max a special in one event

[restive socket]

What is the point of it.

[frozen orbit]

10k+ approximately with 5-40 drops

Supercharged vault

[humble grail]

For a f2p, probably 2 years 🗿

I’m still yet to max DHL, help

[waxen heart]

Without vault?

[frozen orbit]

With, without it would be more

[waxen heart]

I mean what about without vault

[frozen orbit]

20-30k

A lot

Those 5-40 drops sucks

[humble grail]

If it’s a recap, it’s better

[waxen heart]

Yes I ain’t gonna make it before the new character I want comes

Unless it is at Halloween

[humble grail]

I bet we would see a lot of high lvld dragons after the recaps

[frozen orbit]

Yea i used 5k for max lunar blaze

[restive socket]

I did not know you were a Free-2-Play

[frozen orbit]

||im p2w||

[waxen heart]

I sure hope I can get enough before the new character comes

[humble grail]

Always been lol

[waxen heart]

Btw the one I am talking about haven’t even been teased

[frozen orbit]

Uhh

[humble grail]

Probably max one Amy out

[waxen heart]

No

[frozen orbit]

You gotta get muted or smth

[waxen heart]

I didn’t say who it is

So I’m fine

[humble grail]

Wdym no? Are u not a Amy main

[waxen heart]

Ohhh

[waxen heart]

I am

[restive socket]

You told me you bought some

[frozen orbit]

Even without saying it you can get a strike

[humble grail]

To remove ads after races, just one time

That’s not P2W lmao

[restive socket]

I know, but it is not Free-2-Play either

[waxen heart]

A mod says if the hints isn’t obvious it is fine

[humble grail]

So I should die with ads because of my ego? Nuh uh

[waxen heart]

I bet yall can’t guess what I was waiting for

[restive socket]

I don't

[restive socket]

You litterally said you were going to get them to the maximum level and we all know which character you main

[waxen heart]

You do know I main other characters right?

[restive socket]

I don't
I encountered you as Paladin Amy and Rusty Rose, that is all.

[waxen heart]

Yea cuz that was my mood at the moment

I am maining cream now

[restive socket]

Oh, which one is your favourite?

[waxen heart]

Yea I have two

[restive socket]

[waxen heart]

I am now maining rouge

[restive socket]

You change mains quickly

[waxen heart]

I was maining cream for a week

[restive socket]

I love Rockstar Rouge and Valentine Rouge
Not that far from being meta.

[iron prawn]

I just realised that we never got a Valiant Tails discussion

[restive socket]

We did not

[frozen orbit]

He was not that popular guess so

[humble grail]

Hope we would have for

Cause I’m excited

[restive falcon]

Devs didn't add it coz they know it would be filled with nothing but criticisms

[restive socket]

I just noticed the Firecracker Festival duo did not get a discussion thread either.

[frozen orbit]

Maybe to avoid the haters

[restive socket]

Same answer : #1252175629470928936 message

[restive socket]

The real question is why would there be haters?

[frozen orbit]

Because they're op

so hating on HL

[restive socket]

Then the real solution would be to balance them, not to censure their discussion

[frozen orbit]

🤷‍♂️

[restive socket]

Don't hate the developers, hate the game

[frozen orbit]

Many hate on HL

[restive socket]

The worst thing about this is that I like , I fancy their design, their concept and their dragons.
But I cannot use them because I would betray my principles

[frozen orbit]

I do like them but they're too op

[restive socket]

Same here, even if I have neither.

[restive socket]

That is bad.
They would give it back to us

[restive socket]

Same 😔

Their dragon is astonishing. But their trap is unfair, and Claw Boost just does not make any sense 🤷‍♂️

It is better than Super Form

[frozen orbit]

the damage to me are making non sense also

stunning like a emine

[restive socket]

I can understand the damage of the dragons, but the trap and the boosts are just ridiculous.

[restive socket]

Maybe even worse sometimes

[humble grail]

Lvl10 damage is insane

[frozen orbit]

DCT's dragon does need a nerf, you can pratically see nothing

[frozen orbit]

Lvl 4 is also dealing a lot

[restive socket]

The vision obstruction is okay, I would lower the damage instead.
Dragon Breath seems fine though, less meta.

[frozen orbit]

it's like vision scramble (metal 3.0 trap)

[restive socket]

The trap itself, no matter the level is broken.

[restive socket]

I wouldn't go that far 😅 but almost

[frozen orbit]

Vision Scramble does stun a lot but you invulnerable when you got hit by it (during the vision)

[iron prawn]

You have non-meta using principles too??

I do but I just got a Dread 8 battles Star Runner...

RSR is RSR

[restive socket]

Lucky for you
About a month ago I needed to play 80 times with Knuckles The Dread.

[frozen orbit]

Money is money 🤑

[iron prawn]

Nah lucky for you currently I have a 80 battle Quarterback Zavok but he really got hurt by his nerf

He's Level 3 for me

But the real jackpot is if I got 80 battles as Galahad or one of the Dragons

[restive socket]

I got the exact same mission 5 days ago 😳

[iron prawn]

Or Burning Blaze because I like using her

[restive socket]

You like them ?

[iron prawn]

Nah it just would be easy to get trophies

[restive socket]

I thought you had non-meta using principles

[iron prawn]

But RSR

And trophies

If I have a Star Runner I will use them but just for the RSR

[restive socket]

Oh, same.

[quiet forge]

Crazy mindset

[restive socket]

Who are you calling crazy?

[restive socket]

How about Gamma then?

[autumn prawn]

What about him?

[tall veldt]

[restive socket]

He can fly.

[autumn prawn]

*He can jump for a slight extended period

[restive socket]

Fair enough.
So a quarter of invincibility?

[autumn prawn]

I guess, but he doesn't really descend the same way if I recall. He just sorta falls I think. It's also pretty risky because he takes longer to get OFF the ground than any true flight boost, making his jump a double-edged sword. He can stay up a bit longer, but he takes longer to get up there too

[rancid kernel]

mating dance

[iron prawn]

Nah it's the SA2 finale

When Sonic and Shadow summon the Chaos Emeralds but Blaze edition

[restive socket]

They seem a bit close through

[drifting hill]

This place is still open?

[restive socket]

Seems like it.

[frozen orbit]

We love her

[restive socket]

*Adore

[frozen orbit]

[full vine]

buff burning blaze's chances of winning

[hidden cypress]

Nah

She's good as she is

[full vine]

She can be annoying but she's extremely hard to win with

[hidden cypress]

If yours is kinda low-leveld, then there aren't many Chances to win

[full vine]

mine is lv8

[hidden cypress]

Not really suitable when you're high on Trophies due to the Meta Chars for example

[frozen orbit]

At max you can win

max is needed

[frozen orbit]

and for any supers, max is needed

[runic sapphire]

I disagree

If you have low levels it's gonna be hard to win obviously

[wheat ferry]

it's kinda how supers be like nowadays

extremely high risk version of the original characters they're based on

[frozen orbit]

tbh Burning Blaze is clearly better than rare blaze

[wheat ferry]

idk about that, not having shield to assure of your defence can make frontrunning really difficult, even thought she has lava bomb to control some space, it is not a guarantee of keeping people away

people could just throw a projectile at you when trying to place a bomb somewhere and pass you, that's why i like using shield when placing automines when people have max items

[frozen orbit]

Firewhirl last for 6 seconds which is really good to break 3 badniks in once to get a boost really fast, as long as bomb lava when you are front since it's doing good damage

[wheat ferry]

true, but get hit more than once and it's over

with normal blaze you could just fire boost back

it is potentially better at breakaway than other supers, but she's still as vulnerable

don't overlook how much shields can change your race... other than the times they just don't work for some reason

[frozen orbit]

Yea, several hits and she's dead

[lavish spindle]

eugh

[frozen orbit]

urgh

[mortal hollow]

aaaaauuuggh

[drifting hill]

Uhhh. Burning Blaze am I right?

[frozen orbit]

Yes

[mortal hollow]

Rock Solid

[drifting hill]

That was u huh...

[frozen orbit]

we met in a game before

[drifting hill]

Yea pretty sure we hv

[frozen orbit]

i was max bb and you were lvl 8 super silver if i remember

[drifting hill]

Oh yea... I didn't even stand a chance...

[frozen orbit]

sorry

[mortal hollow]

yea but couldn’t ping cuz acc was about to die

[lavish spindle]

can someone close this thing

just seeing it makes me sick

[frozen orbit]

NO

keep it

just to make funi triggers😈

[lavish spindle]

eugh

please anyone close this...

[frozen orbit]

nuh

[lavish spindle]

shut

go have a nice fall or something

[frozen orbit]

time to burn some hedgehog meat

[lavish spindle]

mashes A+B button

[frozen orbit]

sonic rush moment

finger gone🔥

[lavish spindle]

I'd still win

so

uhhh

[frozen orbit]

nuh

[lavish spindle]

fall

[frozen orbit]

i'd win