Metal Sonic Mach 3.0

[fickle pendant]

Let us know your thoughts on Sonic Forces Mobile's latest Challenger!

[spiral quest]

Make challanger chests only require challenger characters and 1st/2nd placement

I mean

Make us get chests when we have full storage of chests

Because they are different

[gaunt jackal]

[leaden carbon]

can't get myself to experience his new trap
the Challenger bot does not use it enough

i wish he didn't have steal.
i don't like using steal

[stiff gyro]

I'm still thinking if maybe be equal to

[night mauve]

Trap is stronger than emine and blinding, may be too strong lol

Seems balanced, low lvl boost is good too

[distant scarab]

his trap needs a nerf

the vision effect is too op

[leaden carbon]

nerf the trap damage, but change steal to lightning

lightning would be ideal for him, like a combo attack, blinded players get auto spawn lightning and wouldn't be able to tell which lane it is

[maiden flicker]

i called it in screenshot channel

complaints about to start that does look way too good (not gonna say op i'm scared to get jumped)

covers too much

[night mauve]

nah you can say it's OP lol

[maiden flicker]

fine it does look so op tbh

[night mauve]

they cooked with this character 🔥
but gotta be able to say when it goes a little too hard

and I feel the same, I even ran into the lvl 1 and it feels strong

might not feel worth upgrading if he's too strong at low level

[maiden flicker]

ok much damage too

sheesh

u can't jump over??

or i probably jumped too low

[green stump]

This 3.0 version is epic, not only does he have steal, but his trap can blind your vision even more, I've been waiting for this character for years

[maiden flicker]

it feels op that it covers your screen like that tho

[green stump]

yeah

I kinda want him more tha ever now

but I don't like his boost

[maiden flicker]

now i don't feel like talking anymore

[green stump]

it can fly but, it kinda feels like a straight copy from infinites boost

[night mauve]

it feels like his trap is a row of grimions with blinding effect lol

I notice the slowing effect, neat touch

[maiden flicker]

a bunch of portals 💀

[green stump]

it's good but, his trap is a weakness

only if you hit it

[maiden flicker]

well

i either jumped low or it's not jumpable

[night mauve]

its all about combo items with him

[maiden flicker]

it's fine except the blinding effect, covers too much

basically like dragonclaw

[dreamy cedar]

His trap has a good hitbox

[green stump]

dragonclaw tails wasn't that impresive with his attacks as well as dragonfire sonic

I was hoping more from them

[night mauve]

they have some of the highest damage kits in the game

[maiden flicker]

i meant the blindess of his dragon for gods sake

[green stump]

I know

but you can see a bit the stage

[maiden flicker]

it didn't look like it

[night mauve]

Lvl 2 boost feels balanced, not too fast not too slow

his boost isn't going to be a clutch boost thankfully

[green stump]

my games so laggy for some reason

[maiden flicker]

mc donald wifi

[green stump]

every time I'm at the finish line, it laggs

at least not with mephiles

[unkempt tide]

He is very strong i even bought the vault

[dreamy cedar]

Can't wait to get my hands on this guy

[green stump]

those who buy the vault know they can't get the character without it

[unkempt tide]

Nah

[maiden flicker]

looks like i'll be leaving the game soon

[green stump]

why

[unkempt tide]

Color green is my favourite

So it was an opportunity

[green stump]

mine too

[night mauve]

I got the vault because it multiplies rings too lol

[unkempt tide]

Atleast is cheap in my country

[night mauve]

and its just if you choose to. You can definitely unlock him without the vault

its a nice long event, 9 days 👍

[green stump]

I have every new character, and never bought the vault

you can get him in two days

[unkempt tide]

Is possible but i like green and it was challenger

[night mauve]

yea

[green stump]

it's better, you can now get him quickly

[unkempt tide]

My first time buying the vault

[green stump]

because the chest spam 20 or more

[unkempt tide]

Yea but they removed the ad button for challenger chest

[green stump]

well if it's your first time, then good

there was an ad button

when

[unkempt tide]

For me no more

[green stump]

I only thought it was for normal chests

[unkempt tide]

They removed it

[green stump]

damn

that could have cost me 30 red star rings in the surge event

[unkempt tide]

I unlocked it in 1 day with challenger chest ad

15 ads

You can watch limit

[green stump]

o yeah, that, now I remember

[unkempt tide]

Series knuckles event

[green stump]

was that for platinum and emerald chests too

[unkempt tide]

Yes but i don't know about emerald

It says -3hours

[green stump]

I got Series Knuckles the 3rd day

then got mephiles level 10

I'm really glad about that

[unkempt tide]

Do you know why there are so much surges users i keep getting minus on second place

[green stump]

since he's my favorite

[green stump]

surge is overpowered, her attacks are all boosts so, makes sense

[unkempt tide]

It only appeared for this week

[green stump]

I also like to use her sometimes

[unkempt tide]

Yea me too because she green

[green stump]

she from IDW so

I like IDW comics a lot

I've read them three times now

speaking of sonic comics, have you read sonic execution

[unkempt tide]

I hate forceful review class they drain my time and I don't understand a singular thing

I wouldn't have to wait 1 hour for the quest

[unkempt tide]

Nope i quit reading comics

[night mauve]

He is good

[chrome prism]

For me the trap is fine because it looks a lot like a mine of confusion buff, the turbo is not so fast but it is of medium duration, the item Chao thieves is the same as the metal sonic there is no change, I give it an 8.5/10

[green stump]

didn't know you studied the character

I just use them

and find out who is good and bad

[chrome prism]

It's just my opinion

[green stump]

a

[chrome prism]

that's goodbye

[green stump]

[past grotto]

Looks cool

Though his trap looks annoying to get hit by

[green stump]

tell me about it

[thin thistle]

I'm almost there

[green stump]

almost where

[thin thistle]

To getting MSM3

[green stump]

oh, lucky you

[cyan violet]

He doesn't feel like he powercrept Metal Sonic, which is a great, since steal is really strong, he feels much more like an option on pair with him, both of them have pros and cons

Metal:

• Magnet Boost
• Most People already have him at high level
• Easier to max with the new missions + permanent character

• Lower Stats and slightly worse trap

Mach 3.0:

• Flight Boost
• Better trap and higher stats
• Challenger Chests are easy to get, you can easily get level 10-12 in 9 days with enough dedication

• Getting more levels after 13 is really hard without the vault
• No magnet effect on boost

He's pretty solid, I feel like having steal with such a strong trap is very scary though, so I'm glad his boost is not super strong

Overall I think that he's the second if not the most well designed clone character, on pair with DHL and way better than Lucky Whisper/Series Knuckles (specifically mentioning characters I consider clones/semi-clones)

[bright patio]

Don't cook pls 🙏

Imo I think the character isn't broken but is kinda good. Essentially buffed metal sonic

[hollow root]

This need nerf

[bright patio]

How do you nerf steal my glorious queen

[frail mural]

Why? There's no point. It steals another characters item. I don't see how that's supposed to become less op

[hollow root]

Make it doesn’t scale with Levels. So it only scales depending on the levels of the opponent character’s levels

A max Levels Metal/MMach3.0 can use any other character’s abilities at max levels without anything except the requirement is the max level itself

[night mauve]

what does leveling up Steal attack do then?

[bright patio]

Increase level of stolen items

[night mauve]

I mean in his context where the item level depends on the person you steal from

[bright patio]

Steal has been fine before this and doing that makes it so that no matter what level your steal is it'll always be dependent on the opponent. Which could make the item a bit less usable

[radiant oyster]

I'm going to be honest, yes pretty balanced not gonna lie. The only thing is the damage but that's fine for me

[hollow root]

Here’s what u have seen so far in Steal abilities

Typically if you have a lv16 Metal Sonic

And you steal a lv1 DHL clouds, that cloud will deal the maximum damage like a lv16 clouds

[night mauve]

it does lvl 10 damage

Steal only gets 2 upgrades, cloud gets 3. It can't steal the final trap upgrade

but yes that's true, I don't understand your alternative though

[hollow root]

Steal rely on characters’s levels

[night mauve]

what does lvl 6 Steal do that lvl 1 Steal didn't?

why would I pay for lvl 6 upgrade to Steal

[hollow root]

I have seen a max lv Metal steal from a lv8 Infinite and spawn 2 replicas

[night mauve]

seems like you are eliminating the entire purpose of investing in that upgrade there

[echo nacelle]

Steal is meta

[hollow root]

So yes. This ability rely on Metal’s levels. Therefore it needed to be nerfed by having it rely on Opponent’s character levels and their dmg upgrades

[night mauve]

but why would I pay to upgrade an attack if it doesn't upgrade it lol

[echo nacelle]

So if I had max metal and use replica it spawns 3?

[hollow root]

You level up Metal just for the level itself.

[night mauve]

you can't even spawn 2 replicas as a max metal

[hollow root]

Well I have seen it before.

[echo nacelle]

Imagine metal could steal boost 💀

[night mauve]

you probably saw them use a replica at the same time infinite did

[hollow root]

It was

[echo nacelle]

I know he was able to a while ago

Before they nerfed

It was hell back then

Every man for themselves

[hollow root]

Maybe. But it’s no mistake…the replica spawn next to each other and it’s not in front of Metal, it’s behind him

[echo nacelle]

Gtg bye

[night mauve]

lvl 1 steal grabs a 1-lane ice wave attack

[hollow root]

Yes.

[night mauve]

it gets two upgrades

therefore Steal takes the lvl 1 item, and can get two upgrades

replica gets three upgrades, he never can steal the last one

[hollow root]

Lv16 Metal’s Steal will get the maximum upgrade potential for whatever abilities there are

We should have someone to test it

[green stump]

I only have metal at level 9 so

[night mauve]

I've never seen that lol

that sounds like cap ngl

lvl 16 isn't even a Steal upgrade its an emine damage upgrade

[hollow root]

We need someone that have max Lv Metal, Infinite and a random player that will not grab any items

[green stump]

Level max infinite

or any level infinite

[night mauve]

I only have lvl 12 metal, sadly

[hollow root]

Have the LV16 Metal have full item, the random player have no items and a lv5-15 Infinite

Have the Metal steal the replica and see if it spawn 2 or not

[manic dome]

he's just too easy to master lol

[green stump]

I could level him up but I don't have enough rings

[green stump]

thats true, lol

[manic dome]

lvl 2 and i'm already on a win streak

[green stump]

with Mach 3.0?

[manic dome]

ya

[green stump]

good for you

I've always thought challenger were the easiest to get aside form normal and rare, and they are

without vault you can get them in 2 or 3 days

but with vault you can get them right away

plus the spamming 20+ cards

[pale junco]

This guy is literally Lego Batman

[vagrant portal]

Not yall wanting to nerf steal💀

[acoustic flare]

the trap looks pretty cool. idk what the boost is like

[night mauve]

Boost is good

[echo dew]

I love the render for this character. Superb work in that department. As for the gameplay, this character is well-designed and can be considered an upgrade over the regular Metal Sonic in terms of overall utility.

[quick cairn]

the effect is to much for me, it need to be abit more transparent

[night gale]

I keep thinking the portals reverse my controls

[echo dew]

The visual effect on the trap reminds me of one of those Profile Effects you'd apply on your Discord profile

A pretty cool aesthetic

[solid compass]

How is metal 3's boost?

Looks like abilities are really good and new one might be OP

But boost seems to mediocre to want to invest heavily in him. Is that true?

[night mauve]

I compare the boost to surge's, it's got good speed. It also flies

not a great comparison but to me they seem similar speed and the same duration, pretty W boost from my perspective

[solid compass]

Interesting

But it's no dragonclaw or anything?

I wonder how much rsr is worth investing

[silent forum]

This might be contentious opinion, but I feel like Mach 3’s boost is still a little slow, especially when compared to the ridiculousness that is Dragonfire Sonic

It might just be me though

Also, Steal should at least give you a fireball if it misses.

Better idea: if Steal fails, it should randomly give you either a fireball, a motobug, or a whirlwind.

[manic dome]

Wow I can actually see that being helpful

[silent forum]

It’s definitely better than spamming steal over and over and never getting anything.

[manic dome]

Real

[past grotto]

That's good though?

Why would we want a repeat of ?

[silent forum]

…you know what? That’s actually a really good point.

[silent forum]

Every time these challenger events come around, it always makes me want the optional ability to have the game automatically unlock chests. Some of us have jobs you know.

[reef iris]

No, no lightning

[reef iris]

You can jump it.

[quick cairn]

I feel the same way probably make challenger chest 1 hours increase they pay out to 20-40 cards

[brisk siren]

He definitely needs a buff to his boost, at least he is invincible, the rest is fine

[spiral sphinx]

That trap damage is insane #nerfthetrap

[night gale]

Seems balanced for a challenger

[spiral sphinx]

Yeah but man is nightmare compare to everything else XD

[night gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[reef iris]

Cough* deadly replica cough*

[gentle sorrel]

His boost has invincibility?

[stiff gyro]

No, it hasn't

[gentle sorrel]

Ah, ok

[hardy arch]

It’s but worse

[stiff gyro]

Nah, not really if you get the Hang of it

[hardy arch]

Is basically the mine but with blindness

Besides the blind is very annoying

[stiff gyro]

And the Damage is good as well, so means he's not the worst Version

[maiden flicker]

yeh but maybe they can.. nerf the blindness a bit?

[leaden carbon]

the blindness does not last long like captive light

so it makes sense that it is thicker than captive light and rainbow blast

most of the effect lies within the invincibility frames period of time anyway

the character model is dope

but his items are uninspiring and uncreative

dull

[quick cairn]

I want to be able to atleast seem some of the map it's just block out my screen

[hasty zealot]

it's nice just that needs more time to get since he is a challenger

[torn yacht]

does the boost get actually notiable better once hes level 8?

[high barn]

Kitwise hes the best designed char we have seen in a long time

Really like how he exactly feels like what he is supossed to be

a premium metal

you can easily draw the paralells between mach and metals kit but machs feels "modernized" i would say

pretty similar, machs trap and boost are a bit better

devs did a very good job with him

extremely good without being broken

[high barn]

just dont use steal like that and you will be fine lol

metal and mach both have very good traps, you can also take advantage of them and use steal if you know the opponent has an item

just saying

[silent forum]

I am well aware you can time it. The problem is that even if one opponent has an item, steal takes from anybody randomly, so you’ll be in situations trying desperately to get an item, but steal decides the guy in last place with no items was a better target than the guy in front of you.

I would rather get a random substandard item than nothing at all

[high barn]

doesnt steal guarante an item if any opponent has one?

[silent forum]

Unless I’m mistaken, steals code works by FIRST targeting a random enemy, and THEN seeing if they have an item to steal.

[high barn]

anyways with the way steal works, (opponents can do nothing to prevent losing an item) i think its a fair downside that you can end up getting nothing tbh

[silent forum]

I would prefer steal be blockable with shields if it meant a shred of consistency

[high barn]

this would probably be a good idea for the future

i dont think steal needs to adressed now if we have chars like galahad or the dragons etc around

i would get the priorities out of the way first

[night gale]

Pretty sure steal takes from anyone with an item except boost not just targeted to one. So if you’re not getting anything that normally means all your opponents are only getting boost to catch up to you

[prisma acorn]

Or they're spamming their items so you don't take it

[fiery palm]

Tis possible

[chrome prism]

The difference between the electro boost and lightning boost at maximum levels (Lv14) It is exactly the same duration.

[reef iris]

Lighting seems faster with a small delay in speed increase

[gaunt jackal]

are they different in speed tho

[bright patio]

This test isn't the most accurate since metal is at 100 rings and Mach is 50

[remote coyote]

[reef iris]

Lighting is faster

[glossy fable]

And Lightning can fly.

[remote coyote]

[remote coyote]

☕ Well, what can I say about Metal sonic mach 3.0
Balanced and excellent re-skin on Metal sonic, HL and Nollie have finally made progress
and happy anniversary to all, and the holiday is coming soon, the record of the characters is 100 Cheers! and as for the items, they are also improved and there is a change: Flight Boost / acceleration is interesting, the idea is to make a fast acceleration from electric and add flight, and the idea turned out great, but magnet rings boost is not completely absent and it turns out this flight may be useless and of little use, but here's what useful was done in Flight boost duration and the speed was taken from Surge boost, the idea is excellent. A balanced boost turned out. Trap Vision Scramble - re-skin Tikal bomb blinds you the light is bright but Metal 3.0 has improved due to the effect of a new one that blinds.
The character needs:
+Flight Boost Buff: add Manget rings
-Trap Blinding/Vision Scramble Nerf: Reduce the damage in the trap and reduce the effect duration

As a result, the character can be upgraded to 10-11 minimum level and rank tier A.

[pale junco]

🗿

[remote coyote]

🗿

[maiden flicker]

IT WAS ONE HIT I WAS FIRST
IS THIS DAMAGE EVEN STRONG OR NOT

WTH

[reef iris]

Clutched by the bot

[maiden flicker]

i'm begging

at least nerf the damage if u won't do ANYTHING FOR THE BLINDNESS

[vagrant mountain]

But lighting boost allows him to fly, why change the boost?

[leaden carbon]

i didn't say change the boost.

i said change "steal" into (lightning projectile zap auto spawn attack like amy)

[stiff gyro]

I don't think that they would do it

[gentle sorrel]

I don’t like this idea tbh

Steal is metal unique projectile

Why change it to lightning

[leaden carbon]

because steal is meta already

actually i would have prefered if HL made a new attack instead of steal or lightning for him

i was disappointed

he is too much like the original metal Sonic

[gentle sorrel]

I would say nerf the trap a bit

Leave steal alone lol

[dreamy cedar]

That's a max upgraded bot if you get hit by one of those then you're cooked

[pale junco]

No he isn’t

[prisma acorn]

I mean like

3.0 is literally just meant to be an improved Metal Sonic

[quick cairn]

ikr haha like I don't see the problem

[vagrant mountain]

Ohhh

[high barn]

?

only 2 chars that arent even broken have it

dont really see the issue

trying to nerf mecha with motobug (bad item!!!!!) seems so unnecesarry, when dragons and galahad are around

[orchid valley]

His trap needs a nerf. During the stun, the vision is still active which can be annoying (It has a good hitbox which i don't complain). But overall he's balanced

[leaden carbon]

i like vision scramble 's audio effect, although it would be nicer if they increased the sound's volume a bit (especially when you have music on)

(spawn sound that is, so that it still remains not so easily detected)

[high barn]

the obscuring is only active during the iframes

basically you cant get hit while it lasts

so aslong as you dont mess up when the stage is viable again, you shouldnt have issues with the effect

[leaden carbon]

exactly

[orchid valley]

i see

[leaden carbon]

i like how kyouk is one of the rare ones here who is so friendly when discussing game changes and ideas

[orchid valley]

lol

There's no point tho

[quick cairn]

still think the visibility needs nerf

[pale junco]

Pretty addicting

[pale junco]

ok im done

for now

[hardy arch]

That’s proof that the trap is too broken especially with the damage

[pale junco]

Not really

[hardy arch]

Yes it is

Especially when you are speeding

[pale junco]

What if I didn’t use the trap at all

[hardy arch]

I say that’s not possible I know players spam that trap

But you maybe

But others it isn’t possible

[pale junco]

hmm

[torn yacht]

i think the trap does way too much damage

it feels like more than explosive mine

the visual effect isnt even really what matters since your vision clears up once you can move

[pale junco]

💀

[torn yacht]

is it? This game isnt exactly clear about data?

[pale junco]

I honestly don’t think it is, id say the same as max emine

[night mauve]

it's grimion damage, from what I can tell

you take huge damage, and it feels like it has a small delay before you start accelerating again, very strong

[dreamy cedar]

Grimion damage at any level upgrade?

[night mauve]

Yes.

it may even exceed grimion damage

my level 8 hits just as hard as grimions, yet gets 2 more damage upgrades lol

The damage needs a nerf, it should just do emine damage with the visual effect… this is too much

this is just the level 4 upgrade? It gets worse?? lol

if they would buff all those awful boosts it wouldn't be so bad, but this is game ending for like half the characters in the game

one hit from that and it'll take you 6 confusion boosts to catch back up

[torn yacht]

Yeah which is why i had to completly pivot off of some characters during that event

This things hit like TRUCKS

[stiff gyro]

Yes, it gets worse lol

[night mauve]

🥲

[pale junco]

🤔

[night mauve]

I had a popstar star runner mission during that event, the struggle was real

so fragile

[chrome prism]

The damage is fine, you're just exaggerated.

The character is already very fair, you don't need more opinions, so that's the end.

[night mauve]

Yeah I just disagree. You don't have to shut others down, either. The thread is still open for a reason.

Don't discourage others from providing helpful feedback 👍

[echo dew]

If a trap hits harder than an e-mine, then it may be too strong

This trap already has a blinding effect, so I can see why a nerf might be needed to balance things out.

[high barn]

The trap as a standalone attack is (maybe?) too good, but mecha as a whole isnt broken so idm for now

I would prefer to get the priorities out of the way first

etc

[sullen hedge]

He's not broken or underwhelming, but his trap definitely hits way too hard. Even at low lvs. I think he would be completely balanced if the damage was reduced a bit.

[remote coyote]

☕ Yes it's true Trap Blinding/Vision Scramble need nerf damage and effect Op and power: the damage is too much, especially fun: in level 1, damage for 3-4 seconds with an effect on upgrade, there is no difference in damage, the only damage increases to 4-10 for 4-6 seconds

[remote coyote]

It's a fact, and it's true. This year, this is the only normal and balanced new character who has released a re-skin on the oldMetal Sonic.

[pale junco]

🗿

[remote coyote]

🗿

[remote coyote]

[spiral quest]

İm begging begging yoouuu