#Server Feedback - Fanart Threads

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short blade
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Idk if this is the right channel for this. But I believe the server would really benefit from converting the #sega-fan-art channel into a forum channel.
That way, the arts would be better organized, and creating a main fixed thread with the name "General Fanarts" or something like that, would be a good way to keep the old style of posting for ppl who still prefer it, or just want to post Twitter/X URLs.

honest gyro
twilit hazel
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I think that might be bad if that means the old channel gets hidden away.

twilit hazel
honest gyro
short blade
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could just lock the old channel and put on an archived category

twilit hazel
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I'm not sure how many people even like using forums, I don't see a lot of people using it, maybe because the usability is worse.

short blade
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a previous server I was in had an art forum channel. And it was widely used.

twilit hazel
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This is a forum view, right? And that looks cramped in comparison to a channel to me.

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short blade
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you can pin threads to follow

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and server artists can creat threads so they can post their works ina focused place

twilit hazel
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How many know that? Not me...
I think that would be better left to a poll to see if people want this.

short blade
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like I said, there would be a thread to keep the okd style of posting

short blade
twilit hazel
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Also, given how the server was handled in the past, do you really trust them to keep archived channels around forever?

short blade
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and now you know it too

short blade
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but the other server I was in sure did

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since 2017

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that's also a huge problem with having only a single channel for that, too

twilit hazel
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Okay, well, they thought to make a new channel that replaces all the console channels and wanted to completely get rid of the old ones, without being able to view them. I don't trust them to keep archives around after that.

short blade
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ppl start using it as their personal art gallery

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you know what would work mikes better than that? A thread

short blade
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should have kept them locked, but visible

twilit hazel
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short blade
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if there was a focused thread for them to do that, it would certainly encourage more server members to post something, imo

short blade
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short blade
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like I suggested at the start of this post

short blade
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I meant that with the amount of reposts that sometimes flood that channel, original creations don't get time to breathe

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they quickly disappear as the chat rolls upwards with more and more links

twilit hazel
short blade
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the forum would actually simplify things more than the current state imo

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an organized forum of posts, in a gallery style for you to browse

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it's barely an issue for staff

twilit hazel
short blade
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it will tho

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the forum would have the general posting thread

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that would funcion exactly like the current fanart channel does

twilit hazel
short blade
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it would be even better, because ppl could choose just to bot follow it of they don't want to see reposts

twilit hazel
short blade
short blade
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but that's up to staff

twilit hazel
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Yeah, and staff would hide it xD

short blade
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idk about that

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maybe just talk to them

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create abd archive category

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and done

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it's a zero issue situation

twilit hazel
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Sure, but they won't, because it would cause clutter, and they wanted to remove channels before already. And even if that won't be the case, when staff changes for this server again, they'll look at the archived channel and might think it's useless and hide it then, like how the current staff saw the #arcade , #master-system-game-gear , #genesis-mega-drive , #saturn and #dreamcast channels.

short blade
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a single archived channel is not clutter at all

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also

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the server I was in had several archived channels

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again, maybe just talking to staff would resolve this

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instead of just assuming the worse

twilit hazel
short blade
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the forum could work for many kind of fan work

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not just drawings

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it doesn't need to be an art server

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the previous server I was wasn't an art server either lol

twilit hazel
# short blade again, maybe just talking to staff would resolve this

I'd rather things stay mostly the same as it has been for 5 years because it's more comfortable that way and would also not cause potential issues in the future.
A lot of the recent changes for this server were for the worse (bad organization changes, channel removals, forgetting franchise of the month, swearing filter, threat of potential longstaying active channels), so I can't trust it to be handled well.

short blade
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and the art forum had other entries such as renders, crafts, cosplay, and video edits, music, and so on

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so it's actually an expansion

twilit hazel
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I've been here for years and years, I don't think most of the artists that are here like to treat it as a place to post their own art.

short blade
short blade
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we can discuss it here all day

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I know that I would use it a lot and really appreciate it

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maybe other ppl think the same

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don't knock it until you try it, is what I say

twilit hazel
# short blade neither was the other server I was in

Well, maybe the one you're referring to is focused on creative things or just has more members, but #sega-fan-art really doesn't post that much personal art there anyways, and it's readable at the current pace...

short blade
twilit hazel
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Then it must be a lot busier there

short blade
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also

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ppl do post personal art there quite a bit

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short blade
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just less than links, because ukno, it's way easier just to find some art on Twitter than it is to draw something

short blade
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the forum here will surely be less active

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but that's hardly a reason to not have it

twilit hazel
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Okay, I feel like it would cause a lot of inactivity in some specific sections of Sega fanart forums then, we have around 3K right now.

short blade
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that really doesn't matter tbh, the forum would work double as an art gallery, or little exposition

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for ppl yo browse and look at

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you don't need to message every single thread every day

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that's not how you use it lol

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it would have both organization, and presentation

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it could even motivate older and newer server members alike to go and create new posts

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or interact with older posts

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of not, they can go to the general art thread that is pinned to the top, and have a similar experience to yhe current channel

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with all the random stuff

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it's an upgrade in every way

twilit hazel
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Okay, but staff has said before that they don't like inactive channels, so how would e.g. a Golden Axe section in a fanart forum be handled if not a lot of people use it, like how the #golden-axe is rarely used right now?

short blade
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the forum does not havr sections

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it has posts

twilit hazel
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You know what I mean...

short blade
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each post is not a channel

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and it wouldn't matter that it was inactive

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the staff surely is aware of the difference between an actual channel that occupies space in a user's sidebar, and a forum post, that does not do that

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and you should too

twilit hazel
short blade
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I don't believe that's correct tbh

twilit hazel
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That's why the whole hardware channel fiasco happened

short blade
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do they delete posts on the current forums?

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because I've seen some pretty old ones here

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that have seen little to bo activity

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so I think they do know the difference

twilit hazel
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They removed a lot of channels here already and were going to remove actively used channels until people pushed them back

short blade
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take this feedback forum, for example

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any feedback threads got removed?

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take a look at some old ones from 30+ days ago or more

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still there

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zero activity

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short blade
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again

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Let me repeat one more time

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a forum post is not a channel

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it is not intrusive

twilit hazel
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I think posts in forums would be treated like channel categories.

short blade
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at this point I feel like you're just assuming

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not with lack of evidence, tbf

short blade
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if so, maybe we should talk to staff about it

twilit hazel
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Why would that matter when it would likely be so staff makes the posts where people will post so they have control over what can be posted underneath a post that they decided?

short blade
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what?

twilit hazel
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It's not like users will be able to make their own posts like here, because then people will make categories that go against what staff would be okay with being posted.

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This is a bug/feedback forum for a video game, so this is pretty controlled if used correctly.

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I don't think they'll let people make their own posts in a fanart forum though, they'd likely have their own categories, to keep it consistent with the Sega Games categories and to prevent categories that go against their policies.

short blade
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what are you even talking about? A fanart forum is no different from this. Staff could just place some posting rules and say to remain within SEGA theme and done. by your logic, the current fanart channel is even less stable, because no one stops members from posting fanart of other series, or post completely unrelated links

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its a SEGA Fanart channel

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so people are expected to post Sega stuff

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a forum is more organized, and dissident posts with bo relation yo Sega could just be removed easier

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that's a good thing

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I think the server should remain properly themed

twilit hazel
# short blade its a *SEGA* Fanart channel

Yeah, but people posted non-SEGA fanart in the SEGA fanart channel before, and it would be neater if people couldn't create their own posts that go against the rules, e.g. a Sonic EXE post category, because they won't want that.

short blade
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leave the off theme stuff to the #off-topic channel

twilit hazel
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If only people followed the rules.

short blade
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as long as its SFW, I think even EXE art has been posted here without issues in the past

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tho it's still a bit off topic imo

twilit hazel
short blade
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posts need to have a category assigned to them

twilit hazel
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You know I mean "posts in a forum" when I say "category", right? Posts is just a stupid name.

short blade
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in this case, its called tags

short blade
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category is category

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posts go inside category

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can be both posts or threads

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I used forums since 2009

twilit hazel
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I know, but it's a dumb name. This can be considered a post too, but it doesn't act like a channel starter.

short blade
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what wou sent is a message

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inside apost

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inside a category

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inside a forum

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my head's spinning

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lol

twilit hazel
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But it's a confusing name...

short blade
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lol ig it can be

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so anyway, if what you said about the staff limiting people creating new threads, then the forum would be useless, yes. My suggestion Assumes users will have the freedom to create their own threads inside established rules and tags

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that is my suggestion

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I think the approach you expect from staff is a bit too draconian

twilit hazel
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Yeah, that won't happen. ^^'
Because then there will be dozens of useless POSTS that staff will then delete because they're inactive, and if a fanart forum will stay permanently, then they have to tidy things up, and then people will lose fanart messages

twilit hazel
short blade
twilit hazel
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Yeah, because I already said staff hid or wants to hide inactive channels, and if staff has complete control over forum posts, then forum posts get hidden after inactivity, just like the past channels that got hidden.

short blade
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forum posts get hidden by discord

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and they appear again with a press of a button

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just roll down lol

twilit hazel
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Cool, but I don't trust them to handle it like that.

And I especially do not trust them with properly archiving channels, while keeping them viewable for everyone. It hasn't happened once so far.

short blade
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lol I see. Well I leave my suggestion

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I'll let staff handle it

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whoever just joined this thread, have fun reading

twilit hazel
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I want to say "make a poll, let people vote to keep it like it is or have a new fanart forum with individual posts, and see what the people who use the server think about the suggestion" but I do not want to permanently lose the current fanart channel just because staff says "well, users can't post to the old channel anymore, so it's useless clutter, let's hide it from everyone now" again, even if it wouldn't happen with the current staff.

short blade
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what I can say is that forum channels for this kind of thing were always more successful and seen as an upgrade by ppl of the servers i visited. Big or small. I'm in a 15 people server that has a forum channel for art, and it goes swell (not an art server). It has always been an upgrade. and I think it would really benefit this server too. for old or new members alike.

lusty nexus
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A Blob's right, been here for some years myself people don't follow the rules, it's hard enough to moderate the existing channels, people take advantage and post nonsense all the time, that gets deleted for not following the rules. NSFW has occasionally been a problem.

short blade
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It's getting more and more clear to me that you guys never used a forum channel.

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It's actually easier to moderate and enforce proper rules

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obviously people are gonna break rules, I didn't assume they weren't

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yet a forum post channel allows for better isolating and removing incidents like this. Assuming they would make a post for that. If they use the general posting thread, it will just be the usual that you do here already.

twilit hazel
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Not a lot of people here actually report rule breakers to the moderators either. Just spammers get reported a lot.
And moderators seemingly don't do a lot by themselves (which is fine, they're humans and might not be in this server 24/7, but that can lead to things being overlooked and staying there for some time).

short blade
twilit hazel
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People can already point to the offending post by replying to it and then adding the moderator or by messaging a moderator and linking to the post (#1425165842072604792 message)

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But again, that only happens when people actually see it and bother to point it out.
Forum posts are individual places where not everyone will have a complete overview (unless they check posts of IPs they don't care about, just to be a semi-moderator for the moderators).

short blade
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sadly not everyone does that, like you already mentioned by saying that you didn't know how to expand the forum thread a yesterday. Not everyone thinks of replying. I've seen ppl here simply pinging a mod with no metion of the breaking rule or no reply. In the case of the forums, it works both ways, if you mention the offending message or not. Why not have that extra layer of organization?

twilit hazel
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Cause it's harder to moderate...?

short blade
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it is not

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I already mentioned a bunch of ways that it isn't

twilit hazel
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I sure won't look at Golden Axe fanart, so if someone posts unfitting art there, I won't look, moderators will not moderate that, I'm sure you won't check each individual post either.

short blade
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you're not the only one at this server

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alr brb, gotta drive

twilit hazel
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The server is already kind of loosely moderated where a lot of things are not really looked over, so splitting it up into individual spots where people could post, you're going to lose the overview you can have with a single channel.

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So I agree with @lusty nexus, yeah

lusty nexus
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This back and forth discussion, is getting ridiculous.....

short blade
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alr I'm back

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look, I already gave my suggestion and plenty of points, yet you keep repeating the same thing I already explained a few times. At this point we're just repeating the same thing over and over again

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at the end of the day, I'll leave the suggestion here, and answer any other questions that have not been asked already. Its up to the mods to decide.

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I still think the server would benefit in the long run

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here is a nice little compromise for the community to try:
create the forum,
then keep the original SEGA fanarts channel active, for a bit.
see the results of what the community and server will use more/prefer,
after a little while, cast a vote, to decide the final outcome,
if the forum is chosen, archive the old channel and keep it visible in an archives category, with read-only access.

the ideal solution for this situation tbh was if Discord had a feature to convert a channel into a forum post, then the original channel would be able to continue existing as the general posting thread, keeping the old format.

Anyway, I have to get to work now lmao.

lusty nexus
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Look we've been here for years, we know how people are here, (especially kids/rule breakers) there's only so many staff, and mods as stated earlier. I don't wanna argue, but facts have been stated here already.*

It would go pretty bad, and be extremely messy. These threads are for CrossWorlds feedback. For fanart we already have #sega-fan-art and #srcw-fanart that's more then enough, unless SEGA wants to hold another contest, or give away unused codes in a new/existing Channel.

short blade
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my suggestion stands. And today I saw some more evidence of how cool it would be.

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anyways, I'll let the mods take this in, and decide by themselves

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I do think your points about moderation and previous mod behavior are valid though, don't think I'm ignoring them. I just think that its still might be worth the risk